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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:04:00 -
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http://eve-radio.com/downloads/viewdownload/2-ccp-interviews/22-wiggles-talks-to-soundwave-260613
CCP Soundwave wrote:I believe so. No just ******* with you. There's maintaining and all that stuff. When we look back at some of the stuff that we have done like UI scaling the number of people that use it is so minute that we probably shouldn't have done it. HD would be nice but I don't know if it'd be worth it. I'm not sure that that would be terribly good. We're trying to maximize the benefit for the most people.
The other thing for us is that we have people that play on laptops, people from areas of the world where you may not have the newest and best equipment available. So we have to make sure that we're catering to them. And I do think that our specs are fairly low for the type of game that we are. And I think that's alright. The more people that are here the merrier.
So apparently a blatant offer from the art department on stage in front of all of fanfest and the stream, plus 1800+ posts and 1200 likes is not enough to convince Soundwave it would be worth it.
Also, people with laptops are the reason an HD pack would not be released as an optional download? This is a ridiculous concept.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:08:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:http://eve-radio.com/downloads/viewdownload/2-ccp-interviews/22-wiggles-talks-to-soundwave-260613 CCP Soundwave wrote:I believe so. No just ******* with you. There's maintaining and all that stuff. When we look back at some of the stuff that we have done like UI scaling the number of people that use it is so minute that we probably shouldn't have done it. HD would be nice but I don't know if it'd be worth it. I'm not sure that that would be terribly good. We're trying to maximize the benefit for the most people.
The other thing for us is that we have people that play on laptops, people from areas of the world where you may not have the newest and best equipment available. So we have to make sure that we're catering to them. And I do think that our specs are fairly low for the type of game that we are. And I think that's alright. The more people that are here the merrier. So apparently a blatant offer from the art department on stage in front of all of fanfest and the stream, plus 1800+ posts and 1200 likes is not enough to convince Soundwave it would be worth it. Also, people with laptops are the reason an HD pack would not be released as an optional download? This is a ridiculous concept.
Yes because a few likes on a forum means everybody who plays Eve |
Mag's
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:11:00 -
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I wonder just how many would use it tbh. He may have a point.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:24:00 -
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I don't see why they can't make it an option. It shouldn't be that big of a problem.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites
United Federation of Commerce
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:24:00 -
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Mag's wrote:I wonder just how many would use it tbh. He may have a point.
indeed. while I would enjoy a HD tex pack, and I did posted on the thread, the resources needed vs actual benefit, might not make it worthwhile.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:29:00 -
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Mag's wrote:I wonder just how many would use it tbh. He may have a point.
Anyone with a decent videocard. Considering this IS a PC game that's anyone with a decent PC.
Now if internal data is showing most are playing with laptops, that's going to be a problem beyond HD textures.
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marVLs
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:30:00 -
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Mag's wrote:I wonder just how many would use it tbh. He may have a point.
Im sure most of players, who don't want HD nebulas?
It's like POS remap, Fozzie thinks to small number of players is using them so they don't hurry with it... Seriously?
It's true in terms of all EVE players only small number is having/managing POSes, but it's like that because current system is bad, if they make it completly new, intuitive, cool, usefull im sure that most of players will want to have its own space house somewhere there, and PVE players love building things.
That's the proper approach, make it good so everyone want to use it.
They look at some silly things that have only few pages in weeks, but almost 100page topic won't matter?
And laptop users thing? Why even talking about that if this from beginning meant to be optional?
Just .... |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:37:00 -
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If it's optional then I can see miners wanting to download it.
But if there is any chance of it slowing the machine ever a micro-tad then I can see people not wanting it in pvp. It's like getting a new Windows machine; the first two days is spent tweaking it and speeding it up from the default settings.
So, make it optional. It would be great. I would even spend my 1 AUR on it. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:39:00 -
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Quote:CCP Soundwave Says NO to HD Texture Pack
So where exactly in that quote he says "NO to HD Texture Pack"?
OP why you based this thread on your wrong and misleading assumptions without knowing any real state of decisions around HD pack?
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Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:42:00 -
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What was the question he answered? |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:44:00 -
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wow instead of adding something players actually want i'm sure they'll continue adding **** no one wants.
gg going back to your old ways ccp. **** us right?
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Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:50:00 -
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Actually, CCP said that the most commonly used videocard in EVE is 560ti.
See tessellation demo, they bluntly say it there...
I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner.
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Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:51:00 -
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At some point they are gonna have to do it.
The graphics look pretty dated. There are no physics... The list goes on...
This game COULD look really good.
Instead, it looks okay. But if that's what's best for the community, then so be it.
Eventually people will upgrade when their hamsters die or their local dictator is finally assassinated, and replaced with a younger, more tech savvy dictator. 
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:03:00 -
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marVLs wrote:And laptop users thing? Why even talking about that if this from beginning meant to be optional?
That puzzles me as well. Why are options off the table? That seems to be a common theme here.
There's 2 space sims in the pipeline and they have the graphics, and one already has a concept built...
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game
Look at the details, and listen to the producer talk about how high the resolution the textures will be (huge).
When competition steps up it's if you don't deliver, the competition will.
Blizzard cleverly implements the best/better features of their direct competition into the game. That is very effective in keeping players in the game (why leave? We have it already deal).
CCP may have to make some harder decisions to keep their market share, especially when the grass is greener on the other side and CCP is still dragging their feet.
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Mytai Gengod
Sebees
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:03:00 -
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While both my desktop and laptop could handle hd graphics, I'm satisfied with current graphics and would rather see dev time spent elsewhere. While I'm not a developer, I do know that it would require more than just the art department to make it happen and maintain it in the future.
That said, if it was available I'd use it. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:06:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Quote:CCP Soundwave Says NO to HD Texture Pack So where exactly in that quote he says "NO to HD Texture Pack"? OP why you based this thread on your wrong and misleading assumptions without knowing any real state of decisions around HD pack?
The question asked was in regards to the high resolution ship textures pack. His answer sounds like a pretty clear no to me.
Now, it's possible Soundwave misunderstood and thought the question was about an HD pack for EVERYTHING in EVE, or maybe thought it was some sort of HDTV related thing. I'm pretty sure the question asked was about the high resolution textures.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
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Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:11:00 -
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After listening to it again this seems to be the direct answer to the HD question. "Is the HD pack going to be implemented or not?"
SW wrote:Oh yes I believe so. No I'm ******* with you. I don't think we are.
The rest of the quote in OP is mostly short responses and explanations, that he gives to the EVE-radio people who are questioning how many people would actually use it, how it might not be worth it and about how you need to design the game for everyone, instead of just the ones who have top of the line machines. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:17:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Look at the details, and listen to the producer talk about how high the resolution the textures will be (huge).
When competition steps up it's if you don't deliver, the competition will.
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CCP may have to make some harder decisions to keep their market share, especially when the grass is greener on the other side and CCP is still dragging their feet.
Star Citizen producer also mentioned that building of one ship will cost from from $35,000 to $150,000. Yes that's right. Either they blinded by kickstarter free money and will go out of budget way before release, either this is a normal sum for model design.
Now think about this every time when you demand Moa re-model or HD texture pack - will this money give any profit in future, or this will be another optional "oh well, my PC cant handle this, I'll revert back to normal textures" feature that used only by small fraction of players.
ps: "competition" with Star Citizen starts only in 2015 if not later. To be more skeptical - there will be no competition at all and game will fail. So EVE is safe for now 
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:17:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Look at the details, and listen to the producer talk about how high the resolution the textures will be (huge).
When competition steps up it's if you don't deliver, the competition will.
This game isn't a competitor to EVE, directly or otherwise.
It's about as much of a threat to EVE as Starcraft II.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:26:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:
The question asked was in regards to the high resolution ship textures pack. His answer sounds like a pretty clear no to me.
Oh I see. If "It sounds TO YOU that he said CLEAR NO" then it must be true.
Really, who cares what he really said, go get some pitchforks, people. CCP IS LYING AGAIN!! FEARLESS!! AAARRRGHH
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Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:28:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Look at the details, and listen to the producer talk about how high the resolution the textures will be (huge).
When competition steps up it's if you don't deliver, the competition will. This game isn't a competitor to EVE, directly or otherwise. It's about as much of a threat to EVE as Starcraft II.
This. I am constantly surprised how people see Star Citizen as a competitor to Eve. Sure, it is competition as much as World of Tanks is - any good game that is a decent timesuck can make people play that game rather than Eve - but it isn't really direct competition, it's a quite different type of game and couldn't succeed/replace it. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:28:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:
The question asked was in regards to the high resolution ship textures pack. His answer sounds like a pretty clear no to me.
Oh I see. If "It sounds TO YOU that he said CLEAR NO" then it must be true.
So what does it sound like to you?
Believe me, I'd be very happy to be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Anyways, I took your implied advice, edited my OP and thread title. Hope this satisfies you.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:39:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:So what does it sound like to you?
As Lead game designer he expressed his opinion and reasons why he is currently against uncertain about this feature. On that position he must know the metrics and predict future player usage of this.
Business decisions are made by other people in the company, so your panic thread "All is lost, Soundwave buried HD pack" is meaningless.
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Khadi Nakrar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:43:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:I don't see why they can't make it an option. It shouldn't be that big of a problem.
well more than you think, if they change things they will haev to do double work, they kinda learned not to do that from having a classic and modern client |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
United Federation of Commerce
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:47:00 -
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Khadi Nakrar wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:I don't see why they can't make it an option. It shouldn't be that big of a problem. well more than you think, if they change things they will haev to do double work, they kinda learned not to do that from having a classic and modern client
indeed. adding HD graphics isn't something that you simply press a button and voil+í!, triple poly count and DX11 effects added!
it doesn't work that way, and I can say that HD pack, while a most welcome feature, it would be deprecated in PVP activities if it even slows down the machine a bit more.
in sum, it would be no more than a gimmick.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:56:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:So what does it sound like to you? As Lead game designer he expressed his opinion and reasons why he is currently against uncertain about this feature. On that position he must know the metrics and predict future player usage of this. Business decisions are made by other people in the company, so your panic thread "All is lost, Soundwave buried HD pack" is meaningless.
Pff! What's this? Logic? Reason? A basis in reality? You FOOOL! We don't want any of your blasphemous sorcery on these boards.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:59:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:So what does it sound like to you? As Lead game designer he expressed his opinion and reasons why he is currently against uncertain about this feature. On that position he must know the metrics and predict future player usage of this. Business decisions are made by other people in the company, so your panic thread "All is lost, Soundwave buried HD pack" is meaningless.
Fair enough. You don't need to be so snotty though. But I guess this is GD and it's the default response!
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bloodknight2
Talledega Knights
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
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Posted - 2013.06.29 20:05:00 -
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Why not? Have they anything to lose by making this game more appealing? Oh look, there is a monument asking to be shot... |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
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Posted - 2013.06.29 20:14:00 -
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i like ui scaling  |
TheButcherPete
The James Gang
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.29 20:16:00 -
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CCP has been v3ing stuff like crazy, and it all looks pretty good and is the first stage for custom skins...
and you guys and "HD"? the art dept is always hard at work, it's not like they're sitting around playing Hello Kitty or whatever.
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