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xarjin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2013.06.30 01:40:00 - [1] - Quote Just read about this on slashdot. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/06/29/2235257/amdati-drops-windows-xp-support Hopefully any stragglers playing eve on windows xp will finally get updated to windows 7 so ccp can update eve to support directx11. Nvidia likely wont be far behind ATI in dropping support for windows xp. Update your systems windows xp users or you will be left behind to the annals of computing history.
FlamesOfHeaven Phantom Fenix 40	Posted - 2013.06.30 01:44:00 - [2] - Quote +1
Zenos Ebeth People Who Don't Like People 112	Posted - 2013.06.30 01:59:00 - [3] - Quote The only way to stop certain people from using XP would be to physically destroy all copies of it in existence. well since Nvidia hasn't dropped support it's not yet an issue for everyone , but xp users might as well take this as their wake up call if they don't want to log on one day and realize That Eve doesn't work anymore on their outdated OS.
xarjin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2013.06.30 02:14:00 - [4] - Quote If the driver support ending for major videocard vendors isn't enough motivation there really is no other good reasons to continue using windows xp from a security perspective. using 15 year old operating system software is just irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's computer systems that don't need to be infected by every virus windows xp based pc's easily pickup and distribute. No amount of antivirus software can fix that long outstanding issue with windows xp. The internet is a global infrastructure and ensuring your pc is not vulnerable breeding pool for malware is akin to respecting your neighbors property and belongings. http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-739/cvssscoremin-0/cvssscoremax-9/Microsoft-Windows-Xp.html
Pewty McPew EVE Corporation 2357451 306	Posted - 2013.06.30 02:28:00 - [5] - Quote XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8
Aliventi Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 142	Posted - 2013.06.30 02:29:00 - [6] - Quote Pewty McPew wrote: ... and about 2% Win 8 Those poor souls...
xarjin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2013.06.30 02:34:00 - [7] - Quote Aliventi wrote: Pewty McPew wrote: ... and about 2% Win 8 Those poor souls... /agree Windows 8: The Animated Evaluation
Knights Armament Yale Socialite Club 74	Posted - 2013.06.30 02:40:00 - [8] - Quote eve should use opengl its better also windows 8 is horrible, when are we going to be forced to use that? https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy
Knights Armament Yale Socialite Club 74	Posted - 2013.06.30 02:58:00 - [9] - Quote xarjin wrote: If the driver support ending for major videocard vendors isn't enough motivation there really is no other good reasons to continue using windows xp from a security perspective. using 15 year old operating system software is just irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's computer systems that don't need to be infected by every virus windows xp based pc's easily pickup and distribute. No amount of antivirus software can fix that long outstanding issue with windows xp. The internet is a global infrastructure and ensuring your pc is not vulnerable breeding pool for malware is akin to respecting your neighbors property and belongings. http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-739/cvssscoremin-0/cvssscoremax-9/Microsoft-Windows-Xp.html The last Windows XP pc i reinstalled with windows 7 just this past weekend was infected with around 50 malware and virus files. Windows is the problem, if everyone used bsd or unix we wouldn't need to worry about the majority of security holes microsoft built in to spy on us. https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy
Caldari Citizen 20120308 State War Academy Caldari State 29	Posted - 2013.06.30 03:11:00 - [10] - Quote Pewty McPew wrote: XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8 lol maybe in Siberia wherever the heck that is.

JamnOne Jammin Corp 8	Posted - 2013.06.30 03:26:00 - [11] - Quote Makes sense seeing on Microshaft already dropped support..
Knights Armament Yale Socialite Club 74	Posted - 2013.06.30 03:27:00 - [12] - Quote Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote: Pewty McPew wrote: XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8 lol maybe in Siberia wherever the heck that is. about 100% of my customers run linux for servers/desktop they also switched to openoffice https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 328	Posted - 2013.06.30 03:41:00 - [13] - Quote Zenos Ebeth wrote: The only way to stop certain people from using XP would be to physically destroy all copies of it in existence. That's the sum of it. And it's an important lesson for CCP too. Familiar UI is important. The main reason why people don't give up XP isn't just cost, it's the UI they're familiar with. Microsoft can't make even Windows 8 without a Start button after all these years with a Start button. PC gaming is the same in controls and their UI. Having a different UI is possible, but it alienates as it's not a standard. Programming languages would fall on it's face if it didn't have standards, too. So they're quite conservative...same with UIs. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
kerradeph THORN Syndicate Black Legion. 26	Posted - 2013.06.30 04:07:00 - [14] - Quote Knights Armament wrote: eve should use opengl its better also windows 8 is horrible, when are we going to be forced to use that? well, if this is any indication. probably after 2-3 more OSes come out after 8. so we can probably be assured that we will have something worthwhile to upgrade to before 7 is dropped.
GreenSeed 528	Posted - 2013.06.30 04:14:00 - [15] - Quote if they stop supporting it means new hardware wont have drivers for xp... thats all this means. hardware that's 2+years old usually NEVER gets added features or optimizations via drivers, so already there's no point on even upgrading drivers, losing the ability to do so is hardly noticeable. it does nothing to force people to upgrade, because if someone is running 2 year old hardware on 6 year old software he already doesn't care. i know it seems crazy, but there's people who don't have disposable income and pc hardware is hardly a priority for them. spoiled snob.
ACE McFACE Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve 1376	Posted - 2013.06.30 04:19:00 - [16] - Quote Pewty McPew wrote: XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8 How does a one man corp get those percentages PS: Stealth post with your main You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument!
FluffyDice Kronos Research 569	Posted - 2013.06.30 05:39:00 - [17] - Quote I wish everyone would drop support for XP. Having to support something that old is just ridiculous. Also Win 8 is fine. Stop listening to people who only tried it to look for flaws. Everyone is stuck complaining about the start menu disappearing. Hit the Windows key on your keyboard. Type the first 3 letters of the program you want. Hit enter. Put everything on your task bar and desktop and make a mess just like you used to. It isn't hard to adapt to change and act like an adult.
S Byerley The Manhattan Engineer District 43	Posted - 2013.06.30 05:50:00 - [18] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: I wish everyone would drop support for XP. Having to support something that old is just ridiculous. Also Win 8 is fine. Stop listening to people who only tried it to look for flaws. Everyone is stuck complaining about the start menu disappearing. Hit the Windows key on your keyboard. Type the first 3 letters of the program you want. Hit enter. Put everything on your task bar and desktop and make a mess just like you used to. It isn't hard to adapt to change and act like an adult. Windows 8 is ******* painful if you do anything technical; the server kernels are respectable though, lots of people switching over.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 329	Posted - 2013.06.30 05:52:00 - [19] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: It isn't hard to adapt to change and act like an adult. Pro tip: Adults tend not to change as often as patches in games. Us old geezers are pretty set in our routines and ways. Most XP hold ons are with companies. My computing relative still maintains a lawyer office computers running Windows NT (want to talk old?). Why? Software. Mom and pop businesses don't have the cash to spend on each new OS rollout on updating their software. If you spent $50,000 on it, you're not going to keep spending $10,000 to update it. The overall expense gets to be too expensive. It's why Microsoft had to keep maintaining XP, despite it wanted EOL it, as Microsoft caters to businesses (that's their main money source). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Erok Careynah Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 7	Posted - 2013.06.30 05:54:00 - [20] - Quote This won't effect XP users that much. Alot of games don't work on XP as it stands, and the hardware they're using with XP generally is so old that it's trivial to actually update the drivers. If you're using a GeForce 3 from 2001 it's not going to matter if you update the drivers for it in 2013, because nVidia simply isn't building any code for that platform anymore. PS: You can still get newer builds of nVidia/ATI drivers for Windows NT/2000, even though they "dropped" support for that OS ages ago. This doesn't effect people very much.

FluffyDice Kronos Research 569	Posted - 2013.06.30 05:54:00 - [21] - Quote I'd honestly like a specific example of a technical task made more difficult between 7 and 8. I see the argument a lot but I haven't actually seen a real situation used.
Erok Careynah Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 7	Posted - 2013.06.30 05:56:00 - [22] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: I'd honestly like a specific example of a technical task made more difficult between 7 and 8. I see the argument a lot but I haven't actually seen a real situation used. Games actually do run better on Windows 8 for me, on my hardware, atleast. My problem with Windows 8 is that I simply didn't see the need for an upgrade, and so I reverted to Windows 7 since it was more kind to the RAM and processor.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 329	Posted - 2013.06.30 06:21:00 - [23] - Quote Erok Careynah wrote: PS: You can still get newer builds of nVidia/ATI drivers for Windows NT/2000, even though they "dropped" support for that OS ages ago. This doesn't effect people very much. Dropping support doesn't mean you won't be able to get updated drivers/software for your OS, it simply means that they won't be building code around that OS anymore. Oh, they keep the drivers updated. But it's not pretty. My relative can spend a weekend just trying to install archaic Xerox drivers for an office. There's so many businesses out there that doesn't update their OS, support companies cater to them. But to work on them, for the techs, it's pounding heads against many a desk. Old OSes suck, they really really do. And this makes me wonder how it is with these older MMOs. They're stuck with a really old engine and it's limitations. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 5355	Posted - 2013.06.30 06:30:00 - [24] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: I wish everyone would drop support for XP. Having to support something that old is just ridiculous. Also Win 8 is fine. Stop listening to people who only tried it to look for flaws. Everyone is stuck complaining about the start menu disappearing. Hit the Windows key on your keyboard. Type the first 3 letters of the program you want. Hit enter. Put everything on your task bar and desktop and make a mess just like you used to. It isn't hard to adapt to change and act like an adult. Fine isn't good enough. It needs to be a must have and amazing. The days of changing an OS just because a new one came out are over. The apps are the things that matter and as long as I can use my familiar and perfectly functional OS to run them, I'm not going to change the OS. The benefits of changing are pretty much zero from my perspective and usually tend to be negative, since Microsoft seems to forget how to make a user friendly OS every other version and it'll take time for them to fix their mistakes.
Inokuma Yawara University of Caille Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:35:00 - [25] - Quote Zenos Ebeth wrote: The only way to stop certain people from using XP would be to physically destroy all copies of it in existence. well since Nvidia hasn't dropped support it's not yet an issue for everyone , but xp users might as well take this as their wake up call if they don't want to log on one day and realize That Eve doesn't work anymore on their outdated OS. Or just get an nVidia card. There are still something like 40% of PC users that still use WinXP world wide. That's a crap-load of customers to lose to your competitor. What if nVidia continues to support WinXP? Wouldn't that be exactly the case? A crap-load of people are gonna start buying nVidia graphics cards for their machines, and keep using XP.
Abon STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore 148	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:37:00 - [26] - Quote About 103% of all statistics are made up on the spot. No kidding!
Obunagawe 151	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:38:00 - [27] - Quote Sure, I'd love to upgrade to Windows 7 and use 1.5GB of RAM instead of 0.4GB of RAM at idle, and have no actual performance increase. That would be GREAT.
Inokuma Yawara University of Caille Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:41:00 - [28] - Quote Abon wrote: About 103% of all statistics are made up on the spot. No kidding! Heh... Good one.
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 598	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:52:00 - [29] - Quote xarjin wrote: Aliventi wrote: Pewty McPew wrote: ... and about 2% Win 8 Those poor souls... /agree Windows 8: The Animated Evaluation Doing any productivity tasks with windows 8 is like trying to knit a wool sweater while wearing multiple Chinese finger puzzles. Oh look, it's this circlejerk again! That is the most ****** video I have ever seen, and I have seen some **. Windows 8 is basically a copy of Windows 7 who just runs a bit faster and has the metro UI. Basically nothing he says in the video is true. Yeah, it takes some getting used to, but I can use it just as fine as I could any other OS.
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 598	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:54:00 - [30] - Quote Obunagawe wrote: Sure, I'd love to upgrade to Windows 7 and use 1.5GB of RAM instead of 0.4GB of RAM at idle, and have no actual performance increase. That would be GREAT. Oh wow, someone is misinformed. Using more ram while idle = good thing! Things are preloaded and starts faster Clearing ram takes microseconds. Why would you want unused ram? I can't think of a single thing that runs better on XP than on win7/8 except for outdated software that only runs on xp for some reason.



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