... and about 2% Win 8

Those poor souls...

If the driver support ending for major videocard vendors isn't enough motivation there really is no other good reasons to continue using windows xp from a security perspective.

using 15 year old operating system software is just irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's computer systems that don't need to be infected by every virus windows xp based pc's easily pickup and distribute. No amount of antivirus software can fix that long outstanding issue with windows xp.

The internet is a global infrastructure and ensuring your pc is not vulnerable breeding pool for malware is akin to respecting your neighbors property and belongings.

http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-739/cvssscoremin-0/cvssscoremax-9/Microsoft-Windows-Xp.html

The last Windows XP pc i reinstalled with windows 7 just this past weekend was infected with around 50 malware and virus files.

XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8

lol maybe in Siberia wherever the heck that is.

The only way to stop certain people from using XP would be to physically destroy all copies of it in existence.

eve should use opengl

its better

also windows 8 is horrible, when are we going to be forced to use that?

XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8

I wish everyone would drop support for XP. Having to support something that old is just ridiculous.

Also Win 8 is fine. Stop listening to people who only tried it to look for flaws. Everyone is stuck complaining about the start menu disappearing. Hit the Windows key on your keyboard. Type the first 3 letters of the program you want. Hit enter. Put everything on your task bar and desktop and make a mess just like you used to. It isn't hard to adapt to change and act like an adult.

It isn't hard to adapt to change and act like an adult.

I'd honestly like a specific example of a technical task made more difficult between 7 and 8. I see the argument a lot but I haven't actually seen a real situation used.

PS: You can still get newer builds of nVidia/ATI drivers for Windows NT/2000, even though they "dropped" support for that OS ages ago. This doesn't effect people very much. Dropping support doesn't mean you won't be able to get updated drivers/software for your OS, it simply means that they won't be building code around that OS anymore.

I wish everyone would drop support for XP. Having to support something that old is just ridiculous.

Also Win 8 is fine. Stop listening to people who only tried it to look for flaws. Everyone is stuck complaining about the start menu disappearing. Hit the Windows key on your keyboard. Type the first 3 letters of the program you want. Hit enter. Put everything on your task bar and desktop and make a mess just like you used to. It isn't hard to adapt to change and act like an adult.

The only way to stop certain people from using XP would be to physically destroy all copies of it in existence.

well since Nvidia hasn't dropped support it's not yet an issue for everyone , but xp users might as well take this as their wake up call if they don't want to log on one day and realize That Eve doesn't work anymore on their outdated OS.

About 103% of all statistics are made up on the spot. No kidding!

/agree

Windows 8: The Animated Evaluation

Doing any productivity tasks with windows 8 is like trying to knit a wool sweater while wearing multiple Chinese finger puzzles.

Sure, I'd love to upgrade to Windows 7 and use 1.5GB of RAM instead of 0.4GB of RAM at idle, and have no actual performance increase. That would be GREAT.

Just read about this on slashdot.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/06/29/2235257/amdati-drops-windows-xp-support

Hopefully any stragglers playing eve on windows xp will finally get updated to windows 7 so ccp can update eve to support directx11.

Nvidia likely wont be far behind ATI in dropping support for windows xp.

Update your systems windows xp users or you will be left behind to the annals of computing history.

they also switched to openoffice

I can't think of a single thing that runs better on XP than on win7/8 except for outdated software that only runs on xp for some reason.

lol maybe in Siberia wherever the heck that is.

Outdated software that many people are required to run to get paid.

I've used win7 on my main box for over a year now and XP on my two backups.

So far I haven't noted any difference at all between them except that some old but required software still doesn't play nice with win7 (and esp with UAC).

Paying 2x840SEK (or 250 USD) to upgrade my backups to win7 (or 8) with no noticeable result doesn't feel like the first thing I'd like to spend my money on.

Just read about this on slashdot.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/06/29/2235257/amdati-drops-windows-xp-support

Hopefully any stragglers playing eve on windows xp will finally get updated to windows 7 so ccp can update eve to support directx11.

Nvidia likely wont be far behind ATI in dropping support for windows xp.

Update your systems windows xp users or you will be left behind to the annals of computing history.

I'd honestly like a specific example of a technical task made more difficult between 7 and 8. I see the argument a lot but I haven't actually seen a real situation used.

edit: Cost to business and supporting old software I definitely see as valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade. People trying to argue that it is "less user friendly than DOS," not so much.

Just read about this on slashdot.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/06/29/2235257/amdati-drops-windows-xp-support

Hopefully any stragglers playing eve on windows xp will finally get updated to windows 7 so ccp can update eve to support directx11.

Nvidia likely wont be far behind ATI in dropping support for windows xp.

Update your systems windows xp users or you will be left behind to the annals of computing history.

Sure, I'd love to upgrade to Windows 7 and use 1.5GB of RAM instead of 0.4GB of RAM at idle, and have no actual performance increase. That would be GREAT.

UAC is for noobs. Just turn it off all together.

Performance and graphics in games are a lot better on newer OS's because of drivers and later versions of DX. Almost everything can be run in compatability mode on win7. I have actually never used a program that can not in some way, shape or form be run on win7/8. Heck, even command & conquer can be run on win8.

Oh wow, someone is misinformed.

Using more ram while idle = good thing! Things are preloaded and starts faster
Clearing ram takes microseconds. Why would you want unused ram?

I can't think of a single thing that runs better on XP than on win7/8 except for outdated software that only runs on xp for some reason.

What are you talking about? Not even a month ago you were on here yelling something like ......you people with old shiiit are holding the cool kids back from getting new shinies in the game....GET NEW SHIIT OR GTFO RAAAAWWWRRRRR

And now you are implying that you still use XP. LOL

Just read about this on slashdot.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/06/29/2235257/amdati-drops-windows-xp-support

Hopefully any stragglers playing eve on windows xp will finally get updated to windows 7 so ccp can update eve to support directx11.

Nvidia likely wont be far behind ATI in dropping support for windows xp.

Update your systems windows xp users or you will be left behind to the annals of computing history.

I will stay then in the backwater with a faster operating system which doesn't have File Manager bugs, doesn't lose connections over the network and is faster for development and database bashing.

Somehow, I may be able to live with that whilst Windows 8 (a bastard lovechild of WoW and My Little Pony) hogs all the resources.

There's not a lot wrong with XP and there's a lot of people going to be working on that platform for years to come.

Oh wow, someone is misinformed.

Using more ram while idle = good thing! Things are preloaded and starts faster
Clearing ram takes microseconds. Why would you want unused ram?

I can't think of a single thing that runs better on XP than on win7/8 except for outdated software that only runs on xp for some reason.

Only folks that are truly stuck with XP are like businesses that can't afford updating customized software every 3 years. Regular Schmoos update their computers more often (or buy off the shelf systems with OSes preloaded).

When you're hitting RAM cap due to mass amounts of multiboxing, you want that extra 1.1GB.

I am a regualr one person business. I can't afford the time to rewrite about 80,000 lines of code from C++ and VB into .Net just because a new shiny comes out.

Not everyone uses an off the shelf package you know.

How about some very large C++ applications written in VS6?

You've had five additional years (XP had a 10 year lifetime originally) to get your code up to scratch. Who's at fault here?

When you're hitting RAM cap due to mass amounts of multiboxing, you want that extra 1.1GB.

using 15 year old operating system software is just irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's computer systems that don't need to be infected by every virus windows xp based pc's easily pickup and distribute. No amount of antivirus software can fix that long outstanding issue with windows xp.

Fifteen years, huh? This just in: Microsoft patents time travel and releases Win XP two years ahead of its predecessor!

Tell me how your new operating system is so advanced tech to compensate for 15 years of stabilization and security issue fixing?

I'm not a fan of XP, I personally think all Windows operating systems are equally bad for various reasons. But to argue along the lines that old software somehow "decays" and gets "easy infected" because of it's age is as far from the reality as you can get. The complete opposite is the case. On the other hand, the end of support from Microsoft is a valid point to say bye to XP.

UAC is for noobs. Just turn it off all together.

Performance and graphics in games are a lot better on newer OS's because of drivers and later versions of DX. Almost everything can be run in compatability mode on win7. I have actually never used a program that can not in some way, shape or form be run on win7/8. Heck, even command & conquer can be run on win8.

And UAC is actually one of the real gems of win7 (and 8), and so far the main reason why I even ponder upgrading the backups.

Where is my BeOS support!

lol maybe in Siberia wherever the heck that is.

How about some very large C++ applications written in VS6? Yes, some do complie under W7 but a lot don't. I know lots of techies in lots of different companies who can't up/down/sidegrade to W7 because of this issue. There are billions of lines of code out there which can't be migrated because W7 isn't backward compatable.

As for performance increase? Well, I am with Hannott here. I have two development machines here; the one with the most oomph and top of the range hardware runs W7 (mostly because I want to play Eve) and next to it is a crufty old PC with XP.

Which boots faster so that I can see the desktop? Why W7. But I can't do anythign with it for minutes because it's not responsive. When the XP desktop is visiible I can get into the VS6 development environment and start cutting code well before the W7 comes up and says hello.

And then it may not compile properly because the XP Compatabliity Mode certainly isn't. So edit on one machine and compile on the other.

Furthermore; I run tens of thousands of SQL statements each evening in my work each evening (I work from home running mu own business selling data to various customers and it's derived from serious number crunching) and I can start the run on the XP machine at the same time as the Win7 machine.

Which gets finished fastest? Well, it may take about two hours on the XP machine and on the W7 machine? It can take twelve hours or more to run the same stuff. The database bashing is grim under Win7.

What makes me laugh is that people say that W8 is even better because the start-up time is even faster than before. That's because a Win8 machine doesn't close down properly but actually goes into hibernation mode (the real shutdown is off on a hidden menu item) so they tell us that it's a fresh reboot but it isn't; it's a mess on top of a mess.

Every now and then, usually when a disk drive dies on one of my machines - the one in the studio seems to need replacing every six or eight months, perhaps it's due to the environment) and I install XP from scratch on there and each time I do that I am amazed how fast that operating system runs.

Getting rid of XP just because it's not as pretty as W7/8 isn't really very good. There's too much stuff out there which is well written but doesn't run on W 7/8.

^^^^^
This.

I work at a hospital in Los Angeles (not in Syberia). They depend on WinXP. All of the stuff they do on XP is, of course, critical. But I don't know how many of the software will be able to run on Win7 or Win8. When Microsucks stops supporting WinXP. I wonder what will happen here...?

I have a feeling that the answer is that very little of the software critical to this hospital's operations is compatible with Win7/8, or there would have already been partial roll-outs with tests and tweaks in preparation for a full OS upgrade-roll-out for the whole hospital. We have people helping us to upgrade our core software, but on WinXP. They're actually developing it for us ON WinXP.... So, I don't know if they're even thinking of Win7. It's not my area to worry over that, but.... That can't be good.

However, the point I'm trying to make is that businesses everywhere, large and small, are reluctant to leave WinXP for Win7, and much less for Win8 (Lose8).

MS doesn't really care, we're paying them extra for XP downgrade licences on 10,000+ PCs.

Those poor souls...

I work at a hospital in Los Angeles (not in Syberia). They depend on WinXP. All of the stuff they do on XP is, of course, critical. But I don't know how many of the software will be able to run on Win7 or Win8. When Microsucks stops supporting WinXP. I wonder what will happen here...?

I have a feeling that the answer is that very little of the software critical to this hospital's operations is compatible with Win7/8, or there would have already been partial roll-outs with tests and tweaks in preparation for a full OS upgrade-roll-out for the whole hospital. We have people helping us to upgrade our core software, but on WinXP. They're actually developing it for us ON WinXP.... So, I don't know if they're even thinking of Win7. It's not my area to worry over that, but.... That can't be good.

However, the point I'm trying to make is that businesses everywhere, large and small, are reluctant to leave WinXP for Win7, and much less for Win8 (Lose8).

Meh, brain stall on my part. Point still stands if you use the correct timeframe. XP support was extended so companies could sort their **** out. Hell, My company is one of them, we're still struggling to update old software that was written for NT4.


MS doesn't really care, we're paying them extra for XP downgrade licences on 10,000+ PCs.

Despite the appearance that Windows XP still receives Windows updates Microsoft has publicly stated several years ago that several high risk security vulnerabilities that are avenues for remotely compromisable malware and virus infections will never be patched.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138007/Microsoft_No_TCP_IP_patches_for_you_XP

http://www.geek.com/news/microsoft-will-not-patch-windows-xp-if-rootkit-is-present-1190361/

Interesting, I did not know that. And this was 4 years ago?!? How can they claim they still support XP?

Any home user still using Windows XP essentially has been "drinking and eating spoiled food" several years past the expiration date.

Mainstream "retail" support for windows xp ended 4? years ago. The only support they currently offer is the "Extended" support for businesses. The extended business support ends next April.

Any home user still using Windows XP essentially has been "drinking and eating spoiled food" several years past the expiration date.

XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8