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Lo3d3R	Posted - 2005.11.29 19:20:00 - [31] Originally by: Capsicum This is not an official comment, but my particular take on this is thus: Don't recruit people less then 14 days old. Also, it doesn't matter how big or old an attacking corp is, you'll be amazed what you can do with a fleet of T1 frigates. quoted for the truth
Sochin	Posted - 2005.11.29 19:25:00 - [32] Saying that EVE is becoming a griefing game displays your own ignorance of EVE history. "Griefing" in EVE has and continues to be nerfed to hell. By griefing I assume you mean the illegal career paths that made EVE special to begin with. Pirating, theft, scamming, ect. What you describe is not griefing, it is corp theft and extortion. For some reason, most people seem to hate corp theft but dont really mind exortion quite as much, even though it can be much more destructive. While most people frown on these professions, I think that if they were gone EVE will have degenerated into the same carefully monitored and protected realm as WoW (Where even if you accidently sell your uber-rare item, you can petiton and a GM will give it back to you.) Basically, EVE has always made little attempt to protect the weak and stupid. They are expected to do it on their own, which is pretty much how real life is. As for "omg but in RL the police will hunt down thieves", I imagine that if this WAS real life CONCORD would be to busy to bother hunting down petty corpthieves. Nemo me impune lacessit
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.11.29 19:40:00 - [33] Edited by: Bhaal on 29/11/2005 19:40:36 Originally by: Dark Shikari I find it funny that after nearly 3 years of padded floors and cushions being added to the EVE experience, people still constantly whine about "griefers." Because CCP still allows blatant forms of it, that's why... Some of it is not needed, and does nothing for the game or the players as a community, it causes damage. Sometimes irreversible damage. And to the dude who said in RL concord would be too busy to worry about petty corp theft, well in RL there are lawyers to handle such things, a career path we do not have in EVE. Imagine if we had elected judges, juries and Layers out to make ISK through settlements... So in summary Dark, the whining will continue as long as CCP allows blatant forms of griefing to continue. ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Wee Dave	Posted - 2005.11.29 19:42:00 - [34] I wouldn't say its a griefing game. The same mechanisms which they used to grief you have, in the hands of the people who have helped you, been turned against them. Every time someone posts about a situation like this there's a flood of help.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.11.29 19:45:00 - [35] Edited by: Bhaal on 29/11/2005 19:45:53 Originally by: Wee Dave I wouldn't say its a griefing game. The same mechanisms which they used to grief you have, in the hands of the people who have helped you, been turned against them. Every time someone posts about a situation like this there's a flood of help. There is a flood of help because there are a lot of PvP'res who lack something to fight for... EVE's PVP is fun, but there is a gut wrenching lack of reason to PvP, for any other reason than to just PvP... Helping against Corp War griefers is a short term "fun" PVP goal for some... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Quanteeri	Posted - 2005.11.29 19:55:00 - [36] What the Sec Rating of your home system? :)
Rekindle	Posted - 2005.11.29 19:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Bhaal Some of it is not needed, and does nothing for the game or the players as a community, it causes damage. Sometimes irreversible damage. [/quote My sentiments exactly. Sorry for being a community oriented individual but these types of behavior will leave nothing but griefers if they go unchecked.
Rekindle	Posted - 2005.11.29 19:59:00 - [38] Originally by: Quanteeri What the Sec Rating of your home system? .5 But we have good cake.
Sochin	Posted - 2005.11.29 20:09:00 - [39] Originally by: Bhaal And to the dude who said in RL concord would be too busy to worry about petty corp theft, well in RL there are lawyers to handle such things, a career path we do not have in EVE. Imagine if we had elected judges, juries and Layers out to make ISK through settlements... Ok, suppose EVE did have lawyers. Who the hell is going to enforce the judgements? CONCORD? If we're assuming that CONCORD is to busy to chase petty thieves, do you REALLY think they would waste time enforcing lawsuits? Nemo me impune lacessit
Space Chutney	Posted - 2005.11.29 20:12:00 - [40] Not read the replies to the OP, but mate I've been there; got the T-shirt. Nothing you can really do in this position, whilst what has been suggested such as asking help is always nice but: If you are truly new to the game (Like within a couple of months) then how are you meant to have the contacts? Or know the people to ask?... great suggestion guys. Oh and Merc's cost money, which you may/may not have and its not a guranteed option. Using trial accounts is sad, I have nothing against a pirate stealing but a faceless person who doesnt have the balls to commit their main? My suggestions, that should be do-able are... 1) Bore them out, pvp'ers with no meat are bored pvp'ers. Mind you, they might come back to hunt you if you bounce back too quick. 2) Disband, annoying I know had to do this. Sit in a noob corp for a week-month whilst sitting in a controlled private channel, then re-form (Forum *****s may go 'blah blah blah illegal etc.', but according to the GM who I asked it's not...) 3) Fight them, might seem difficult but what people say is true, frigates ftw? Of course if the merc's they hired are any good, you won't get far... Paying up obviously isnt an option for you, and you cant really effectivly fight them.

Bhaal	Posted - 2005.11.29 20:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Bhaal And to the dude who said in RL concord would be too busy to worry about petty corp theft, well in RL there are lawyers to handle such things, a career path we do not have in EVE. Imagine if we had elected judges, juries and Layers out to make ISK through settlements... Ok, suppose EVE did have lawyers. Who the hell is going to enforce the judgements? CONCORD? If we're assuming that CONCORD is to busy to chase petty thieves, do you REALLY think they would waste time enforcing lawsuits? Sure, if they got a chunk of the settlement... Better yet, let players do this part... Contract system 4tw! ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.29 20:57:00 - [42] i would apply to join ISS alliance - they will probably take u - need to abide by their protocols but it will then cost this corp 50 mil a week to dec war isntead of 2m.
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.11.29 21:05:00 - [43] Honestly? I have only one thing to say: Welcome to Eve. ---------- Originally by: riker to thebold first post w/ your main. Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/
Empyre	Posted - 2005.11.29 21:16:00 - [44] there are plenty of corps and alliances that are goal oriented in killing pirates. find one and join one or go back to the n00b corp. I tried joining a pretty cool alliance/corp that was all for pirate hunting, but my skillset was not enough to survive a war except cowering in the confines of the station they had in 0.0. My recommendation is to disband your corp and have you and your buddies just set up a chat channel and always gang together. if you are not in a player corp then other player corps cannot declare war on you and attack you anywhere. spend some time with your buddies in >0.5 space building up skills and revenue, THEN venture into the world of corps and pvp after you have a bit of cash to afford a loss that you will no doubt encounter. I ended up leaving the corp I was in to better my skills before I try to venture out again..i'm in battleships now and still don't feel confident enough. don't try to skip out of >0.5 so soon..there is plenty to be learned there until you go into the dangerous world of player corps.. just my $0.02. (for the record, I HAAAATE pirates and everything they stand for..but I don't see them going away. much like the world keeps becoming an increasingly horrible place, the game will too because the same people that breed horrible virtues in real life will breed them here as well.)
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.11.29 21:19:00 - [45] But griefers are kuul. People whining about griefing are not kuul.
BurnHard	Posted - 2005.11.29 21:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Dark Shikari I find it funny that after nearly 3 years of padded floors and cushions being added to the EVE experience, people still constantly whine about "griefers." You say that from your lofty position of sitting in station 23/7 watching escrow for someone to put up some nice equipment for 0.0 isk by mistake. I don't think your opinion on this really counts for a whole lot.
Rekindle	Posted - 2005.11.29 21:48:00 - [47] what is the best means for me to seek aid? I will aspire to do so.
Morning Maniac	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:08:00 - [48] Not long ago we were in a similar situation. We too were attacked by experienced pvp-ers. I asked for help and many friends and even more, then, total strangers rushed to our aid. I still didn't like camping, being camped and all that but we gained valuable experience and made many new friends. There are many nice people out there looking for something to worthwhile to do. If you let people know you need help you might just get it. Also the other 2 suggestions work equally well, bore them to death or throw super cheap ships at them. Good luck, hope you'll find enjoyment back. MM Channel "EVE University" www.gothicmeadows.com.au/crit/forums/(out of game) EVE University commercial
gfldex	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:09:00 - [49] /me wonders why some ppl seam to think that war should only happen to other players -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
CDLPeacemaker	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:10:00 - [50] Originally by: Rekindle what is the best means for me to seek aid? I will aspire to do so. Best bet is one of the In Character Corp / Alliance Summit forums. Make a public dec for help and someone might come help you. As for your situation Ive been there. I was running a corporation about 11 months ago when I was war deced by the infamous Teddybears corp. These guys where / still are pros. At first we backed down and I was going to pay them. Then I thought "F that. They want a war? Ill give them one!" and with that my corp geared up and grew some balls. Fortunatly for us the Teddys underestimated my corp. Their CEO, Lady Beeblebrox warped into our hoshposh fleet (4 BS, 2 cruisers and 1 Gryphon scrambler) in her raven. We blew her up and I smart bombed her pod earning my corp a cool 103million isk in bounty. Never spoke of that on the forums as we dont want any bad feelings. Infact I am glad that happened. Our corp grew together and we learned that PVP wasnt THAT hard or out of reach. Even against a higher SP corp. Anyways the war continued on for about 2 1/2 weeks. Killed an ishtar of theirs. They didnt get any kills and they canceled the war without another word. Starving a griefer corp of kills is the best way to get the war dec dropped. They WILL eventualy give up. FYI dont brag on the forums, they just might get ****ed and make it personal. And DONT TRASH TALK AT ALL. Making it personal means they wont give up. Through out my war no trash was spoken (and thus why they let us slide probably)

gfldex	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:10:00 - [51] Originally by: Dark Shikari I find it funny that after nearly 3 years of padded floors and cushions being added to the EVE experience, people still constantly whine about "griefers." Because griefer is such a nice empty word that can be filled with nearly any meaning. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:21:00 - [52] In fact, I think the opposite is happening. I haven't been ganked in a year or so... and I always flew down to 0.1 all the time... Anyway, no, the current level of shooting is more than desirable. Makes the market go round and weeds out people that expect a WoW mentality over this game. It's not click-click, you have to think about it and expect to die more than often. Always calculate the risk factor in any situation, I know I do with my business :) And for the love of... well, some god... why would you do blind recruiting? That's the worst way to go.I guess you had it coming. You can't expect such a corporation to survive. I also expect that corps are screening all members to see if they're active/what they usually do. Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:23:00 - [53] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 29/11/2005 22:23:58 Originally by: BurnHard Originally by: Dark Shikari I find it funny that after nearly 3 years of padded floors and cushions being added to the EVE experience, people still constantly whine about "griefers." You say that from your lofty position of sitting in station 23/7 watching escrow for someone to put up some nice equipment for 0.0 isk by mistake. I don't think your opinion on this really counts for a whole lot. I have never gotten anything good for 0.0 ISK in my life, that's Entity's job . Being that I've been in a corp warred on by "griefers", a corp warred on by mercs, and been a corp warring on another as "griefers," I would bet that I have far more experience on this issue than you. And I doubt anyone in EVE cares at all about your opinion at all. P.S. "Griefer" is simply a word carebears use to describe people they don't like. Just like "Carebear" is a word griefers use to describe people they don't like. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Montague Zooma	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:25:00 - [54] "I find it funny that after nearly 3 years of padded floors and cushions being added to the EVE experience, people still constantly whine about "griefers."" I don't think it's a coincidence that the game is gaining new players after these adjustments. I don't think the majority of gamers play online just so they can screw over other players. Driving a noob corp out of existence just because you can doesn't fit most people's definition of good sportsmanship. If a game becomes dominated by that sort of playstyle, it'll either die or be limited to a very small niche. CCP wants to make money. As a n00b, I've learned three important things about EVE: 1. Trust no one. 2. Trust no one. 3. Trust no one. The main reason MMORPGs can be lucrative cash cows isn't so much because of the gameplay, it's because of the personal relationships that develop. Once the novelty wears off, players stick around to play with their online friends instead of going off to play something else. A game that fosters mistrust and paranoia shouldn't expect to maintain a huge customer base. Once the gameplay gets too routine and I tire of having to be paranoid all the time, I'll be gone. The game is complex enough to keep me interested so far, but some of the social dynamics really put me off. Other games encourage teaming up with people you bump into as you wander around the game world, but in Eve it seems like you're simply inviting others to stab you in the back.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Montague Zooma "I find it funny that after nearly 3 years of padded floors and cushions being added to the EVE experience, people still constantly whine about "griefers."" I don't think it's a coincidence that the game is gaining new players after these adjustments. I don't think the majority of gamers play online just so they can screw over other players. Driving a noob corp out of existence just because you can doesn't fit most people's definition of good sportsmanship. If a game becomes dominated by that sort of playstyle, it'll either die or be limited to a very small niche. CCP wants to make money. As a n00b, I've learned three important things about EVE: 1. Trust no one. 2. Trust no one. 3. Trust no one. The main reason MMORPGs can be lucrative cash cows isn't so much because of the gameplay, it's because of the personal relationships that develop. Once the novelty wears off, players stick around to play with their online friends instead of going off to play something else. A game that fosters mistrust and paranoia shouldn't expect to maintain a huge customer base. Once the gameplay gets too routine and I tire of having to be paranoid all the time, I'll be gone. The game is complex enough to keep me interested so far, but some of the social dynamics really put me off. Other games encourage teaming up with people you bump into as you wander around the game world, but in Eve it seems like you're simply inviting others to stab you in the back. The biggest money I've ever made in EVE came from trusting people. There are rules about trust. You just have to know who to trust. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Rekindle All weÆve wanted to do was log on with some buddies, learn the game together and do our own thing û eventually after weÆve developed some know how perhaps weÆd engage in some PvP, something we all enjoy and spent a lot of time doing in other games. We recruited a fellow who turned out to be a total jack assà..stole from our Corp hangar (which wasnÆt a big deal) but then he decided to hire a Merc corp to wipe our corp off the map because we wouldnÆt give him an insane amount of money. So we have a corporation of newb players, barely into cruisers, barely enough skills to navigate them around and fire weapons up against a corp using agents to hunt us down relentlessly in battle ships. The corporation is using trial accounts to infiltrate corporations, they are using trial accounts to spy on us so they can show up in their ôrealö persona and pod kill us. Its akin to a group of lvl 50s beating on level 1Æs for sport. The only way to resolve this situation, according to said corpàis for us to disband or pay an amount of money that we certainly donÆt have. Corporations who come in with 10x the firepower, 10x the resources undermine the entire thing. It isnÆt a fair fight and for that reason, IÆm left with the perception that this game is best left to griefers who have nothing better to do then to destroy fledgling relationships for no gain other then the badge of dishonor associated with destroying newbie corps. If thatÆs your definition of me being a carebear, so be it. I played UO, I know what a real carebear is. I must say, it takes a big man to walk onto the play ground and beat up the little kids just because they can. A griefer hires more griefers to go beat on players just learning the game, staying out of peopleÆs way in empire space. Of course, feel I'm left with is I want these agressors heads on a pole and I want them to have a taste of their own medicine. I have my doubts however, that this will be accomplished. Please tell me how this is fun? Watching time and energy go up in smoke is not my idea of a fun time. Not being able to leave station because you have no one to turn to for protection is not fun. There is PvP combat, and then there is getting enjoyment out of the game, using all means necessary at the expense of others. Frankly, that is just sick. Call it the harsh reality of the game, call it whatever you want, but when people 10x your size come out of no where constantly, and without any real purpose, to win a battle before its won, for no purpose, other then your destruction, is what I would call grief play. As far as I can tell, there is no one to take up our cause, no "justice" in the game other then what our pocket book can afford. No real champion to take up the cause, playing EvE under these circumstances really leaves me to suspect this game is reserved for corps that already have skillful players. resources and connections at hand. Disregard what this guy says. He doesnt even believe in what he says enough to post with his main, but has to make a smurf/alt in order to brave the soapbox. Friends Forever
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:41:00 - [57] Originally by: Dark Shikari The biggest money I've ever made in EVE came from trusting people. There are rules about trust. You just have to know who to trust. More than true. Trust is scarce in eve, which makes it the most valuable commodity. If people don't trust you, you'll never go anywhere but the belts. Well... if it wasn't for those alts though All the money I've ever made came from trust. Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:53:00 - [58] Originally by: Skooney There are alot of good people in Eve that will help you! To make it clear, I'm not good or nice, I just like pre-packed targets who think they're hot and thus engage me :) "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.11.30 13:46:00 - [59] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 30/11/2005 13:47:55 Originally by: Bhaal Originally by: gfldex Dear Rekindle, what you just did is called forum whining. In my expirience asking for help is more efficient. Btw. your agressors will laught their beep off while reading it. Yes, I can hear the chuckle of retarded children now... You have a very poor attitude, and I hope never to be forced to converse with you The reason the aggressors will laugh is because this is a game, and it's meant to be fun. The way you talk it's like you lose your sense of humour at 20 Get a clue. There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Pandemic Thinking	Posted - 2005.11.30 14:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Capsicum This is not an official comment, but my particular take on this is thus: Don't recruit people less then 14 days old. Also, it doesn't matter how big or old an attacking corp is, you'll be amazed what you can do with a fleet of T1 frigates. Ooooh yesssssss.... They burn so bright.....yessssss A Good Deed is nothing more than a Bad Deed in need of a Drink



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