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Kip Johnston
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Posted - 2005.11.29 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kip Johnston on 29/11/2005 23:59:00
Looking over the stats and potentials of some of the new ship classes, is it fair to say the older T2 ships are going to be sub par?
The T2 BC's look like they can lay down some serious hurt with medium guns, with good resists to boot. They fill the role of 'Heavy Assault' better than HAC's do. Plus the idea of seeing a fleet full of Command ships and little else, is as skewed as seeing Battleships fitted with nothing but Miner II's. In my eyes these things aren't supposed to be strong on their own, but rather enhance the strenght of a gang. Hence "Command ship" 
Interdictors make me wonder as to why you would want to use any other tackler, ever. Warp in, create the "SOMEONE SET US UP THE BOMB!" effect and leave as your gangmembers finish the job. Their damage output won't be anything to scoff at either (especially the Sabre.)
EW Cruisers like the Huginn will make an AF or Interceptor grind to a halt from 30km or more. The Amarr one can drain anything smaller than a BS in seconds then proceed to lay down ownage.
The new dronetypes hurt smaller ships more than anything else.
Is it just me or are the new RMR ships going to make everything we trained for these last 12 months obsolete? Why can't CCP balance specialization ships to co-exist, instead of having them overlap each other in their specialized areas? Retraining for an entirely new ship type each 12 months isn't my idea of specialization. Tbh i'm regreting ever taking HAC skill to V, and I know there are many other HAC pilots who feel the same. 
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.11.30 00:14:00 -
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IMO...
BS will remain bread and butter ships due to their power and their ease of production.
HAC prices will drop, will still be used mainly for attacking enemies due to their speed.
Field command ships will be the new "elite" ship to have for damage and tanking, Carebears will use it for npc'n and doing L4 missions.
Fleet command ships will be in demand for large gangs but not much else.
Interceptors will be used as gank squad ships rather then tacklers in fleets.
Interdictors are the new tacklers for fleets. Every fleet with need at least 1.
Assault ship will be used in gank squads and to blow up other frigs like they are now.
people were screaming it was the end of the world when T2 ships were introducted. No different here. We just get a whole new tactical dimension to eve.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.11.30 00:20:00 -
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Well, BC's cost about four times as much to make as a cruiser, by the time we've multiplied said TI build cost to get the TII one We'll be talking 65-85 mil or so base "CCP" buildcost, probably nearer 100-110 by the time market prices have taken there cut.
Add in that its a bigger ship class and will be even slower to make (I'd bet maybe 3 per week per BPO ?) and the prices are going to be "Impressive" to say the least, somehow I doubt they will just replace HAC's or become 100% of fleets anytime soon.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.11.30 00:50:00 -
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My Interceptors and Assaults will never be put up. They're all still good ships. Maybe prices will drop even more on them all. I can only dream =)
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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duckk
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Posted - 2005.11.30 00:56:00 -
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If you think the t2 command bcs will be less than what hacs sell for now, almost a year after release, you are going to be really disappointed.
They will sell for what the makers can get for them, not what they are worth. I wouldn't doubt they'll remain in the hundreds of millions for a long time.
And the bonuses are so good, I think more people will take a look at the leadership skills to get into one as well. In fact I bought every +4 and +3 cha implant I could today to resell to the hac pilots "upgrading". =]
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.11.30 00:56:00 -
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Yes, increasingly it's hard to see the point of a T2 frig when there are ever more ships designed to wipe them out en-mass, and their defences are nerfed.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.11.30 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: duckk
If you think the t2 command bcs will be less than what hacs sell for now, almost a year after release, you are going to be really disappointed.
They will sell for what the makers can get for them, not what they are worth. I wouldn't doubt they'll remain in the hundreds of millions for a long time.
And the bonuses are so good, I think more people will take a look at the leadership skills to get into one as well. In fact I bought every +4 and +3 cha implant I could today to resell to the hac pilots "upgrading". =]
Sorry my fault for leaving assumptions in the air .. Obviously HAC's cost about 25m to sell and go for 65-140 or so mil, so the BCII's costing 110 to build may reach 300-700 million or more after they settle down, I probably should have specified that .. but I thought I'd just leave it to peoples common sense 
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.11.30 01:48:00 -
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very excited about new ships.
iwho - they won't obsolete the older ones, simply allow them to fit more specifically to role that they are good at rather then trying to do 2 or 3 thing at once.
what is really nice is that there seem to be stuff for the solo player, the small gang, and the fleet that are all coming in... it is not specifically balanced to one thing or another. 
either way - looking forward to putting together perfectly matched groups of 2 to 4 (weirda's preferred gang size) and having some fun with them... 
some of the new ships look like solo bundles of joy too!
weirda have gone up against most of the updated BCs on SiSi now with the different HACs that weirda fly - and happy to say, am a lot less worried about being wtfpwnd by them then was initially. some setups have changed - but much less so then thought.
bring rmr on: more ships == better! and making the existing ships better too is golden! 
let's just hope that they don't forget about the assault friggies missing 4th bonus, or some grid/cpu boosts to the Stealth Bombers, or it is possible that they may fall by the wayside. 
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.11.30 03:02:00 -
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can't wait to fly a t2 matari destroyer 
Originally by: "Oveur"
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2005.11.30 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Vishnej on 30/11/2005 03:20:39
Edited by: Vishnej on 30/11/2005 03:19:07
The ships won't be flown en masse for a few weeks, due to skill training.
Once they are, there will be a huge price markup initially. However, once the early adopters get done with them... expect a significant markup, but not nearly the same % as there is now on HACs.
Once these ships are ingame, expect the demand to dilute - a lot. HACs are propped up because they're the biggest elite combat ship, far different in nature from an AF. Your choice if you want to fly your best is two HACs or two BS.
RMR is changing that so that a capable, wealthy player will have to choose between four elite cruisers, two elite battlecruisers, two battleships, and an elite destroyer.
The reason that you won't see HACs disappear is the same reason that right now, you won't see HACs fight every single battle - there are only a certain number that can be produced per week, of every T2 ship - and the producers will keep their factories churning as long as it exceeds buildcost. If a T2 BC costs 300m due to huge interest and a HAC costs 20m since they're yesterdays news... Demand rises for the HAC.
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Damien Vox
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Posted - 2005.11.30 04:36:00 -
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The more T2 ships come out the more the Minmatar T2 Frigs I fly drop in price, that means more T2 Frigs for me. Bring it on I say.
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Sam Trip
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Posted - 2005.11.30 05:04:00 -
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interceptors and AFs will always be popular cos of the rate you can make ISK to replace one. They're also damn effective
HACs will lower in demand as people will still stay greedy bumping their prices to 150mill for say a deimos. Wheras your better off with the BS
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.11.30 05:12:00 -
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Good. I look forward to the day a Harpy costs under 10mil.
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Sable Moran
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Posted - 2005.11.30 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kip Johnston
Looking over the stats and potentials of some of the new ship classes, is it fair to say the older T2 ships are going to be sub par?
Is it just me or are the new RMR ships going to make everything we trained for these last 12 months obsolete?
Retraining for an entirely new ship type each 12 months isn't my idea of specialization. Tbh i'm regreting ever taking HAC skill to V, and I know there are many other HAC pilots who feel the same.
Kip Johnston = Sky Hunters newly created alt.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.11.30 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Yes, increasingly it's hard to see the point of a T2 frig when there are ever more ships designed to wipe them out en-mass, and their defences are nerfed.
I just want to point out something to most of the new players including myself being I'm a new player as well. <--Noob
Ships do not beat ships mmk? Players beat players... I know for the most part people swear X setup beats Y setup... Which is true if faced with Y setup... But you got to factor in a lot of things to beat Y setup as well... So in short... All ships are well balanced and or getting balanced better. All ships should hold enough for a PILOT with SKILL to be able to KILL a target SHIP with TACTICS and EXPERIENCE.
To say this ship always beats this ship is not correct. Even if that's not what you ment, it feels like you're saying that =)
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.11.30 12:32:00 -
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HACs will still be the feared ones :)
Why not T2 BCs over HACs? Simple! Better surviving abilities, better speed, almost same damage output, lower sig radius, faster lock.
Id rather go into region full of hostiles in a HAC then in T2 BC even with 2x HACs tank.....tank wont help if you get caught or wont be able to avoid being chased after ganking few hostiles.
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