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Bischopt
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Posted - 2013.07.01 12:17:00 -
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This is pretty ****** up. |
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Posted - 2013.07.01 12:28:00 -
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Tobias Hareka wrote:Norian Lonark wrote:Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail. When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV? This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".
That's a pretty extreme example. Airports may actually be a special thing, especially in the states.
But I sure as hell can say to someone in real life that I'm gonna shoot up a school, laugh about it and say "just kidding" without the cops coming and locking me up.
Freedom of speech. |
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Posted - 2013.07.01 12:35:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Confirming that "lol, j/k" is a get out of jail free-card.
If the una-bomber had put it at the end of his manifesto, everyone would've known it was just a big joke.
Freedom of speech is not freedom to be an idiot and make threats in a public forum. Let the system work it out - that's what the system is for.
Mittens learned there was a line not to cross - this kid jumped past the line a bit farther. Both may have been joking, but both actions have consequences.
The authorities looking into it is one thing, locking the kid up for 8 years for a bad joke is another.
Trusting the system... yeah right. |
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Posted - 2013.07.01 12:39:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Bischopt wrote:Tobias Hareka wrote:Norian Lonark wrote:Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail. When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV? This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!". That's a pretty extreme example. Airports may actually be a special thing, especially in the states. But I sure as hell can say to someone in real life that I'm gonna shoot up a school, laugh about it and say "just kidding" without the cops coming and locking me up. Freedom of speech. Afraid not you need to look up freedom. Freedom to do something means there will be no repercussions from the government for your actions. If there are repercussions like going to jail or receiving a fine your actions are not free. Example - you can talk about hating your government all you want. (Freedom of speech) Now if you start talking about killing your leader you are no longer talking but now implying a possible action and that can have repercussions. Too many people/companies (especially news agencies) believe freedom gives them the right to be irresponsible it doesn't. Your are responsible for your actions, and can be punished if you cross the line.
Prison.
For words.
We just went back in time.
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Posted - 2013.07.01 13:24:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:
Not back in time, it has never changed.
You must dress a certain way when at work.
You can't say certain things to your boss or you get fired.
You can't do certain things while in public.
The list goes on and on.
The internet allows people to say things they would never say if they were face to face.
Is that a good or bad thing.
A little of both perhaps.
In this case the kid would have been better off saying it face to face.
Keep in mind the written word has always been a binding contract, so saying something out loud does not always have the same consequences as putting it down on paper.
And that is the catch 22 so to speak with the internet.
Like I've said, looking into threats can be a good thing.
Throwing people into prison for them is not a good thing.
Even if you don't care about the life (or lives) being ruined by bad law(?) enforcement, do you really think as a tax-payer that this is a good idea? If we start putting everyone in prison who has made a violent joke on the internet, all prisons in all the world will see a spike of new inmates every one of which take tax money to keep alive and well.
I agree that actions have consequeces, but is 8 years in prison really the right consequece for this particular action?
I think not. I hope you think not as well.
Altho I don't really care what you think. |
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:12:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:
Last as other have stated the guy is NOT serving a 8 year sentence he is awaiting trial, nothing more.
He is still innocent as it stands right now.
True, but the justice system being what it is in the US, the kid could end up sitting in jail for years while technically innocent.
Jails are huge buildings where hundreds or even thousands of technically innocent people spend their time waiting for trial. Many of those people are stuck there because the system is too clogged up or somehow obstructed for the case to go to court. It's just as good as being in prison. Same thing for the tax-payers, same thing for the person who's locked up.
The fact that you're considered innocent in the eyes of the law is little consolation when you're confined to a cell with no idea when you might be getting out. |
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