http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jump_Drive_Operation

Although I see this as a whine post, being able to gank a 7bil ship with 500mil worth in highsec needs looking at.

I believe that EvE should be a difficult game. It should take effort to kill a multi-billion isk ship.

Thing is, how do you increase the risk/cost of ganking?

I would still personally like to see the Empires react to ganking in their space, people should get some kind of Faction hit for criminal acts with Empire space. It's like you can run around Caldari space causing hell and the State just goes "Oh well CONCORD will sort it out... no need for us to get annoyed he's ruining our trade routes"

Having Faction standing losses added would for me add more feel that the Empires are meaningful as well as another barrier against what has become a far too easy and common profession within EVE.

Lol. Its not hard at all. As you pointed out you make very high profits while sitting in high sec totally safe from harm.

Your analogy doesn't work. Its just obfuscation.

Thank you. I needed a good giggle in an otherwise quite bad day

Player A (freighter) undocks in high sec in an slot less PvE ship. Player A only takes 10% of his capacity (2 billion isk of junk loot) to avoid being ganked. Player A is using his ship for its intended purpose. Player A gets ganked anyway because a bunch of low skilled cheap dessies costing 20 times less than his ship can kill his highly skilled expensive ship so cheaply they can do it just for lulz.-áPlayer A deliberately decides that this is a good use waste of the space and proceeds to jump blindly and/or AFK through well-known camp spots (suicides). Player A is a moron and not using the right ship for the job.

Player B (Carrier) undocks in a PvP ship without PvP mods. Player B jumps his ship deliberately into a battle (suicides) because a bunch of low-skilled cheap BCs costing 20 times less than this ship can kill his highly skilled expensive ship so cheaply (zero cost) that they can do it just for lulz. Player B is a moron and not using [s]his ship for its intended purpose the right ship for the job.

I didnt say it was a problem. It was a response to a reply pretending the freighter scooping was at risk of getting killed.

Using an analogy which was in no way relevent to the topic, shift the focus from what was relevent to that which was not. Its an annoying and dishonest tactic.

But when you can warp scramble the freightor for an hr and keep him aggressed for an hour (so he cant log off and disappear) then something has been abused in the game.

Bubbles (not catch "drag,sling") were abused on POS's back in the day pulling anyone that warped to the POS in line with the buble through the POS into the bubble (Supers included) and it was deemed an exploit. It worked dam good as it was supposed to.

The analogy has nothing to do with highsec freighter ganking.

The point is bubbles worked just like they were designed to But the designer didnt intend for them to pull people through there POS.

Better ?

How does that happen in a high-sec ganking scenario? Surely the scramblers would be deleted from grid by concord.

There are no such things as insta warps in a freighter/capitals

when undocking if you jump through a stargate and your 12-15km away from the gate and you been picked you're just fu***d end of story.

The problem is the game new mechanics allows gankers to gank 1 billion capitals carrying anything from nothing to 50 billion in 5 seconds with 30 t2 fit t1 destroyers after concord and gate guns are out of the equation due to it being bumped off the grid of the stargate

dont worry, CCP has thought of that and created the Iteron/baders and the freighter/JF classes...

now i see why tears are so easy to come by, most people dont think too hard

1. Very highrisk

Dying at all means it's very risky to autopilot to Jita with a hold of stuff.

VERY RISKY (to autopilot to Jita with a hold of stuff)

They die in high a lot.

To the poster before you the gank ship is not put at risk - its purpose is to die.

What is it with you, arguing black is white all the time.

Yes, it is a broken mechanic.

Well no. By your own my logic a warp bubble should be able to drag into a pos based on the fact when you are in warp you can go through planets.

But it created an unfair advantage and wrongful manipulation of the sandbox tools at our disposal, so CCP did away with that element. Because it wasn't "meant to be used in that way".

Almost sounds like you don't like the term sandbox...

Hard for you to admit to anything isn't it?

I simply used your own theories against you and you take them seriously.

Cost is a big factor in MMOs because it balances the game.

The cost has been drastically reduced and an imbalance makes them quite pointless to use to transport valusble bulk cargo - the role they are intended to perform.

When you use a tool (the gank ship in this instance) intending to destroy it, and you accept the resulting sec loss as a given then it becomes an expense, not a risk. Risk is the possibility of, not expense of.

A risk is only a risk if it has chance in it.

Since these ganks cannot fail

Probability and chance are the same thing.

They cant fail if you bring enough ships.

You know that a jump freighter is worse than a normal freighter for hauling, right?

Nice try but hitting a freighter with light missiles, or even med guns is a certainty.

And the ship popping and not getting concordekened is a moot point.

Bat Country only kills freighters with like 6 packaged Tengus in it (seen an killmail by your IsBox corps), that's why. You gatecamp looking for big kills to brag about.

All I do is offer the examples, and in this case, a perfect one that fits (and a game doesn't need to be WoW to be the same.

I want EvE to succeed

Things on this thread is but an example of it. A player who choses to fly freighters as a "career" is now out of the picture.

So what your saying is its safer to jump into lowsec and then back into high to move an empty jump freighter than move it through high. . . Seems a tad weird dont you think. . .

To be honest, if done properly, it probably is a lot safer.