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Weirda	Posted - 2005.11.30 19:19:00 - [1] with upcoming RMR new t2 ships, and mk2 changes - the lack of a 4th bonus on the Assault Ships (frigs) will devalue their role somewhat. These should get addressed ASAP (hopefully as part of RMR). That said, weirda would like to focus on 3 assault frigs that really need to be looked at - and make some suggestion for discussion: Jaguar Well, the new MK2 Rifter is now going to be 4/3/3 - which is exactly what the Jaguar is. Not much of a slot upgrade there. This, coupled with the fact that the Jaguar is 'missing' the extra slot that most of the Assault Frigs already have mean this need to be addressed NOW. don't get weirda wrong, even its current form it is one of weirda's favourite ship to fly. suggestions: +1 mid +30 cpu "false" bonus (resistance) becomes built into ship and new 4th bonus to become a shield boosting bonus (+% of boost, or -% of cap use, don't really care, it just need a 4th bonus). Vengeance Talk about red-headed stepchild. If Retribution having only 1 mid wasn't bad enough, this ship is abysmal. Strangely weirda really like it too though... maybe because it hull is so sexy, maybe because it has so much unrealized potential... dunno really. here are the suggestions: +1 mid (an additional low would be pointless and too much in direction of retribution) +40 cpu +10 grid "false" bonus (resistance) becomes built into ship and new 4th bonus to become a armor tanking bonus (+% resistance would be best) or a +25% turret damage bonus. it probably wouldn't hurt to switch the armor and shield value on this ship (khanid or not), though would be happy as clam if just the above changes were made. Hawk Weirda doesn't fly this ship, but know that something really missing from Assault Frig lineup is a missile boat. Would definately fly one if could do this (being minmatar, have very good missile skill - but CBA to train up hybrids). 2/2 turret/missile changed to 2/4 turret/missile (with no additional high slots) + appropriate new cpu to run additional launchers This ship (pretty sure) is "missing" a slot too (like the above two) and could stand to have another one (maybe even a high so that you could do a 4 launcher, 1 rail setup or something). don't know what to recommend for 4th bonus, main point of bringing this ship up is to get some caldari feedback on it. maybe a neat bonus would be % explosion radius decrease for light missile, since it is intended to hunt intys which sig radius is very resiliant to light missile. Anyhow - would love to get some feedback/addition from other player. A dev response "we're looking at a 4th bonus/etc" would be great, but really isn't expected. -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2005.11.30 20:30:00 - [2] all very good feedback... keep it coming. Sorry Killrock, Jag really does need it's missing slot - a mid. Without a CPU increase though - you might as well leave it off. Also, the jag shines most when it is nOT used like an interceptor (imho) - please no MWD bonus or anything like that. Swapping falloff for optimal would be fine though - since with 280s it is nearly the same effect (only your short range ammo won't screw you as much) and those that like to fit the ACs on there would be happy. This is a great ship, but is really lacking on these fronts. Vengeance, yes it probably is the worst of the lot in a lot of ways... mainly that a punisher can outdamage it... it is khanid, they won't switch that. another mid would be MUCH better then another low (especially with a needed pg and cpu boost so that it could actually fit medium beams and something in its extra mid). Hawk - keep it coming, Weirda main concern about that is that we NEED to have a missile AF, and we don't. As for the new boni, weirda would prefer if they all stayed in line with more defensive in nature (except the recommended Hawk one), as 'gank' damage is not as important if you have better defensive bonuses. these are all just my opinion of course... any sort of boost to these ships would be great. AFs in general NEED their 4th bonus though... and will not back down on that. All the new RMR ships will cast a HUGE shadow on these if that bonus is not rectified. Right now it is only vaguely ok because there aren't a ton of other 'assault' option. -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2005.11.30 20:48:00 - [3] Originally by: LUKEC Since the day that i'm using enyo with mwd & blasters... i think jaguar & ACs should perform excellent as a heavy tackler... But i cannot fly them(although i know where to get em for almost 0isk)... Vengeance with current resists cannot be shieldtanked, so it doesn't really need medslots as 3 is enough. Another low and a bit pg, so it could fit med. beamsII, missile launcher and small repper... and it could actually be useful :) But in the end all AFs should get ~20% more hp and 20% more cap. the extra mid request on the vengeance is for more toys - not a shield tank... it would just really sadden weirda to see the vengeance get another low... with 3 lows for tanking - it is great with its current resists. it lacks cpu to fit it as currently, and grid to fit the beams that you should be fitting on it (since it only carry three). again... weirdas opinion flying them... that extra mid would really give it a role - the khanid can pretend that the mid is there for shield tanking, but we all know better... -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2005.11.30 22:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Trey Azagthoth Weird refers to themself in the third person too much... updated title of thread - and... who is this 3rd person everyone always talking to weirda about? should they be podded? -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.01 22:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Ysolde Xen I don't know why CCP decided that the damage deales should all have 1 slot more but if they are going to change that for 1 or two then they should change it for all. weirda suggested that all three mentioned get an extra slot... just not where it goes on the hawk... the ishkur doesn't really need 11 slots though, as it has a drone bay way better then any one slot. so in answer to your post - the suggestion was for all of them to have 11 slots, except the ishkur. also - am glad to see a few of you have seen the 'light' with a 4th mid in vengeance... a 4th low would really be useless... if you want to know what an 'amarr' would put in his 4 mids... just evemail me and will let you know. -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.01 23:51:00 - [6] Originally by: LUKEC point of another low slot is either better tank or better dmg. Point of another med. slot... well tracking disruptor, but you can fit that now, too :) No and you cannot shield tank vengeance with current resistances :) shield tank a vengeance?! what kind of huckleberry you think weirda is!? weirda's suggested bonus for vengeance would be resists (a la' sacri), which mean you wouldn't need another slot to tank lows... have energized th in there and you golden. that would leave the 3rd mid for dmg mod or plate (lets face it, this thing crawls already)... 4 mids though - possibilites... Originally by: danneh Retribution, 1 mid slot per lvl how about for retribution, we move one of the AS bonuses to the frigate skill, and give it a .2 midslot per level... at level 5 you would be uber! -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.02 03:43:00 - [7] Edited by: Weirda on 02/12/2005 03:45:27 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Weirda that would leave the 3rd low for dmg mod or plate weirda made a mistake what mistake? -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.02 03:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Grimpak 5/1/5 as it is today, but 5 turret points, grid to fit them, and a tracking bonus on top of that (or, good heavens, a 2nd damage bonus?)? mobile small beam platform ftw? not that it bad idea - but amarr would still whine about the mid. hell, whining all that those slavers are good for afterall... (re: zealot sucks threads) -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.02 18:08:00 - [9] Originally by: keepiru Vengeance interesting with 4 mids? Sure. Cap enough to actually do anything? Not with the current 10% recharge bonus, let alone with that switched to a resists bonus a la MK2 punisher. not talking about replacing the cap bonus. talking about giving it a resist bonus in place of the 'false' resistance bonus (aka - the missing bonus). you ideas are nice though. honestly with an extra mid in there and resistance bonus, weirda would not be adverse to throw a cpr in the lows to a) help things fit in the extra mid (bear in mind also asking for extra cpu too) and b) keep those mids running. -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.12 01:33:00 - [10] guess these ship aren't getting any love till after RMR. hopefully we will get a sticky thread for suggestion. _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship their Missing Bonus in RMR! <END TRANSMISSION>

Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.12 23:40:00 - [11] maybe weirda need to babysit this thread a little more... seem like the dev are on fire with their comment lately! so many good thing in RMR! just really hoping to see these ships get their needed bonus! _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship Missing Bonus in RMR! OMG Tux/Ouveur/TomB hate Weirda! EGO Nerfed!!!
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.13 01:23:00 - [12] Edited by: Weirda on 13/12/2005 01:26:33 Originally by: Kai Lae If the vengeance got the 5% per resist per armor level, and a additional low slot, it could tank quite well. Three mids are enough to have a scrambler, speed module, and jammer/something else, especially on a armor tanked ship. If it got the resist bonus - it could armor tank extremely well without another low. as someone who (trys) to fly vengeance regularly... it could benefit WAY more from a mid. for the love of God! an armor tanking ship with some extra mids? hello! a few have seen the light. Originally by: Vox As a specializing AF pilot I beg CCP to fix the AF's with a 4th bonus and please, please give the Jag and Wolf more grid/cpu. Agree with the Jag - Wolf is way short on cpu too - but have done well with faction plates (they're cheap)... and am hoping with the new passive armor resist skills in RMR, the faction plate will be enough (training kin/ex first... for my wolf). TBH though - Weirda really like the Jag/Vengeance better then the Wolf/Retribution. That may change with the new passive skills (at least with the Wolf - that is the least of the Retri's problem)... _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship Missing Bonus in RMR! OMG Tux/Ouveur/TomB hate Weirda! EGO Nerfed!!!
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.13 20:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Blackest Sheep Originally by: Necrologic the vengeance should have a 4th med because giving it another low or any sort of tanking bonus will make it WAY to much like the retrib. Med, dmg bonus, and mass reduction is what we need. Yep. And the bonus to lasers, please. still think resistance bonus would be ****, but either will do... as long as we get another mid on there... _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship Missing Bonus in RMR! OMG Tux/Ouveur/TomB hate Weirda! EGO Nerfed!!!
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.14 20:44:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Hammer Weirda no love Hammer? of course do! just "don't touch this" (unless fixing AFs)! you were left out because: a) there wasn't room in the thread title to include every DEV b) wanted to ***** at TomB and Tux only because you are so loved c) three is a crowd... d) too many ppl would start discussing MC Hammer's discology in thread if you name was in title take you pick - whatever make you feel best... just please give my AF's their proper 4th bonus and give my jag and vengeance a mid... and give the Hawk 2 more launcher points... and... and... and... you get the picture! _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship Missing Bonus in RMR! OMG Tux/Ouveur/TomB hate Weirda! EGO Nerfed!!!
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:10:00 - [15] Originally by: LUKEC vengeance can do same with 3 med slots, just forget about propulsion mod weirda NEVER fit propulsion mod on AF (unless NPCing) so you don't have to ask to forget. there are certain things that would be a nice luxury with a 4th mid: - dual webber (very helpful considering the speed of this slug vs the speed of it intended targets) - tracking disruptor - remote dampener (to force inties to either flee or come into you webber range) - ecm anyhow - now that RMR is deployed, Weirda looking forward to the DEV posting a stickie on the updates to the Assault Ship! TomB or Tux would be cool... but Weirda really hoping that Hammer is the man for this one! <3 for hammer (the dev in the shadows)! _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship Missing Bonus in RMR! OMG Tux/Ouveur/TomB hate Weirda! EGO Nerfed!!!
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.21 16:36:00 - [16] must babysit thread some more... again... 4th bonus 4tw! _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship Missing Bonus in RMR! OMG Tux/Ouveur/TomB hate Weirda! EGO Nerfed!!!
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.28 16:19:00 - [17] now we to the point where someone is making a new post about something that is already in this thread every day. can we please get some word to the update? are AF going to be looked at? or are they 'just fine' with 3 bonuses? is the Jag 'just fine' with the same slot as MK2 Rifter? Hammer, while weirda appreciate you humor, it would be very nice to know that someone take the AF seriously! _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship need 4th Bonus + Jag and Vengeance Upgrades, make Hawk Missile AS!
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.28 17:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Forsch Originally by: Weirda is the Jag 'just fine' with the same slot as MK2 Rifter? I knew this would be brought up after all the love the rifter got. (Offtopic: The rifter was a well used frigate before RMR, now it's even better. Imo it's not the jaguar having too few slots, it's the rifter having too many. But that's just me. ) the jaguar is technically missing a slot though. yup - and so is the Vengeance, Hawk and Ishkur... but arguably the ishkur does not need the 11 slot that the others do. also consider that pre-rmr the punisher had 4/2/4 (10) and the rifter had 4/2/2 (8)... you really think that 1 extra hardpoint make up for 2 slot Forsche? but weirda digress, the issue at hand is the 'non-assault' assault frigs... not the mk2 update, which for the record weirda think Tux did a great job with! (the breacher could have used a bit more of ... something though) _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship need 4th Bonus + Jag and Vengeance Upgrades, make Hawk Missile AS!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.05 16:26:00 - [19] it is true - weirda think that this thread have had enough views/idea since inception to warrent serious look from dev. every day am waiting to see 'assault ship bonus overhaul' as a new stickied thread... but alas... AF are still great ship - and weirda never say that they aren't... they are gimped from other t2 ship though because of the bonus... and the slot count of 1/2 of them. had warned the RMR would magnify this problem even more and it has. here's to hoping - and surprise that this thread suddenly got a few more posts! __ Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.06 02:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists hmmmmm caldari missile af, would b rlly nice. like merlin and kestrel, moa and caracal, eagle and cerberus. raptor and crow... __ Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!

Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.07 15:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Longasc Edited by: Longasc on 06/01/2006 19:45:51 As the Vengeance seems to be beyond hope, I offer a constructive idea regarding the Retribution: +1 Med Slot and it can be used for solo PvP. 1 Med Slot only restricts EVERY ship, not only the Retribution, greatly. Please have mercy with the poor little Retribution, give it a chance for ... Retribution! as was joked before in the thread... Retribution Assault Ship Bonus: +.2 mid slot per level Assault Ship only at AS 5 would you get a 2nd mid! tbh though - there wouldn't be a point flying any other AS if that one had 2 mid though... __ Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.13 16:21:00 - [22] Edited by: Weirda on 13/01/2006 16:21:32 Originally by: Sarmaul bumping again, because we're never going to let you forget about this until it's done :) bless you my child, you have seen the light. also, hammer... about you and you 1 visit to this thread: weirda is upset because you made the ammo the way it should have been, and then took it back. there - either fix that, or fix this and you will be absolve. otherwise, Tuxford is the new benefactor of the Minmatar race for what he did for the rifter. now - fix these damn AF... __ Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:50:00 - [23] good posts - keep them coming! we need to grow the fire! one quote from Dylan come to mind over the Assault Ships: "The Pumps don't work cuz the Vandals took the Handles!" Hammer... fix these ship! you know you want to!! __ Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.17 04:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Some forum mod should sticky this. It's quite important and we really need CCP to address this. that would be the day... __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.17 05:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Antic guess someone got to notice the issue someday. perhaps when the thread reaches 30 pages? :/ aye - and no one really whining either. this is one of the longest 'asking for a boost' thread where there isn't a bunch of 'stfu adapt' stuff... that is a true sign that it is something that is universally wrong. (weirda thinking one of the next three post will be 'stfu adapt') __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.17 20:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Weirda aye - and no one really whining either. this is one of the longest 'asking for a boost' thread where there isn't a bunch of 'stfu adapt' stuff... that is a true sign that it is something that is universally wrong. apparently weirda speak too soon... anyhow... what this thread IS about: - giving all Assault Ship the missing bonus that deserve. the precident for assault resist bonus have been set by every other class of t2 assault ships (it inherant, not frig level based) - giving the 10 slot ship their missing slot (with the possible exception of the ishkur which arguably does not need it) - updating the Hawk to be (the only) missile assault frigate. whether that mean 3 launcher slot or 4 is really up to the DEV to work out there are many page of positive suggestion to all of the above. definately more then enough for the DEV to work with and start a thread of their own. and weirda thank you ALL for that! what this thread is NOT about: - changing ship hulls - whether or not projectile are underpowered vs rails (unless it is to do with requesting/requiring a double damage bonus as the new one) - just do a search for posts made by Testy if you need a fix of that... - insulting others suggestions - arguing semantics - upgrades to wolf/enyo/harpy/retribution (other then the addition of their 4th bonus) if we want to have DEV take our request seriously and pay attention to this thread, we must keep it from devolving or drifting off course, or they will have no reason to keep up on it. please fellow pilots - post to the issue that the thread is intended, or start another one. thank you very much for all the good ideas! let's keep this alive! __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.19 02:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Zippy Pinno PS i also checked my not-so-dusty Wolf - still need a damn MAPC if i want to fit artillery. drop the ab and you won't great story though - that is how weirda feel every day... __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.23 22:05:00 - [28] recap: vengeance: +1 mid +35 cpu new bonus 5% resist to all per level of frigate jaguar: +1 mid +30 cpu new bonus shield boost %/shield boost cap %/dmg/don't care hawk: +2 missile hard point, -2 turret hardpoint +1 low (might need something to make setup work) +20 cpu new bonus to missile rof or dmg the hawk attempt here is half assed - there are better discussion within the thread... weirda just want to fly a missile af... __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.23 23:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Mitram Well, I haven't read the whole thread but I find it strange that there are still people around who want to boost frigates. I find it quite wrong that intercepter/AF can solo 2 bs + 1 officer spawns so easily. Ok, they need like 6 minutes for a spawn but how could a solo frigate kill a BS even if it is a stupid npc? Frigates are way overpowered right now. I hope the game designer rethink the continues boost of frigate class ships. you missed the point of the thread. there is very little about these recommendation that would make the ships stronger toward bs and especially npc. as for the bolded part - that have a lot more to do with npc ai then anything else. not really sure how this is relevant either... maybe you should make a post about it. seem like grey group been trolling a lot of thread lately without making any constructive post of their own... would seem like the easy way out... __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.24 19:15:00 - [30] Edited by: Weirda on 24/01/2006 19:16:38 there have been a lot of ideas about what the additional slots should be on the 10 slot ships... though not much discussion about the missing bonus... weirda is gonna throw a few ideas out there, other ideas have been proposed, these are weirda preference (bear in mind these would be sitting on the frig level, so would automatically get 5x their value), though wouldn't mind having some swapped around: - enyo: tracking bonus (don't fly gallente - forgive) - ishkur: these ship are just plain evil - wolf: +1 grid/+3 cpu per level (swap one of the AS bonus to frig bonus and put this as AS bonus, so that dedicated AS pilot can have better fits on their ship then non-dedicated) - jaguar: % shield boost/shield cap use bonus - vengeance: % armor resist a la sacriledge/maller/punisher - retribution: +.2 mid slot per level (swap so that this is AS ship bonus and you get 2 mids at assault ship 5). honestly dunno, seem like they want this to be NPC/support ship though - hawk: missile velocity precision bonus (hit fast targets better) - harpy: tracking the point again the main point is not to make these ship stronger vs. larger targets... only stronger at their intended role. it is very easy for intys to get under the guns of a lot of these long range setups. those unclear on the point would also propose - that if some don't think that AS deserve another bonus, then all assault related ship should have their resistance bonus moved to class level (i.e. friggie/cruiser) and one of their other bonus removed... and not the optimall/falloff/flight time/missile velocity ones, since each ship in these classes seems to have that in their bonus as a necessity. seriously though - this is as ridiculuous as saying that AS don't need a real 4th bonus. __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!

Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:42:00 - [31] hey tux - you know you want to join hammer in this thread... love you long time... you too tomB... __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More! The pumps don't work...
Weirda	Posted - 2006.01.29 15:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Weirda hey tux - you know you want to join hammer in this thread... love you long time... you too tomB... page 4... really hoping that this can be done at least along with KALI... if not earlier... __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More! The pumps don't work...
Weirda	Posted - 2006.02.27 10:12:00 - [33] sweet mother! back from the dead! maybe they do this stuff post kali? we need to get a lot of new t2 ships out there first! __ Weirda Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.03.04 00:06:00 - [34] Edited by: Weirda on 04/03/2006 00:07:25 weirda really don't think that it is as complex and need complete redesign and rebalance with interceptor as grimpack say. weirda stated in first post, and still believe it is this simple: they are lacking a 4th bonus. other t2 ship have 4 bonus. the more t2 ship there are, the more they fall behind. by the proper application of a 4th bonus on each ship, and the addition of a slot on 3 of the 4 missing slot ship (ishkur doesn't need another slot) they will be more balanced in the grand scheme of thing and their roles a bit more defined. the ships getting extra slot need more cpu/grid accordingly. they could all probably use a bit more cap and that is that. EDIT - oh and make Hawk missile boat! as with everyone else - these are just personal opinion, but the more complex this discussion get, the less likely the fact that they are simply lacking these SIMPLE thing will get addressed. please God (DEVS) just say SOMETHING! haven't this thread gotten ANYONE attention?! bless you sarmaul for keeping hope... guess that is a strong matari quality! __ Weirda Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.03.10 02:13:00 - [35] Edited by: Weirda on 10/03/2006 02:14:40 yes maya - they are effective, but lacking. as many say about many other ship - they are good, can be good, etc... but there is no doubt that they are lacking. they are lacking a 4th bonus that ALL other t2 ship have. many (most) are lacking much (if any) advantage over the mk2 stats that t1 frigate were given as for how to fly AS... please do not insult weirda. not to mention that you concept of them not being 1v1 ship is completely false (unless you are flying against chicke** pilots that refuse to engage). if anything it is a 1v2 or even 1v3 ship... so don't give weirda that crap. and whether or not everyone realize this... fitting any sort of propulsion mod on you AS for pvp (with the exception of mwd nosKur) really gimp it limited fittings and niche strengths... fine though - go on believe that being an ***** in every thread == being right about something, and you opinion on almost everthing will continue to be as despised and ignored by almost everyone as it currently is. but do not come into this thread where people have been constructively (for the most part) waxing on what may make them not specific 'boosted' but 'more fitting of their role' - and tow the same party line that you tow in every thread because regurgitating the same point everywhere you go still don't make you any more right or knowing then anyone else. back on topic... so tomB... what it gonna be? __ Weirda Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.05.24 15:53:00 - [36] 'le cry __ NOS AS WCS Idea #223579
Weirda	Posted - 2006.06.14 15:25:00 - [37] Originally by: voidvim after looking on the test server it seems that their are chnages to assult frigates, if people would like to check out the changes on the test server and update their opinions as these posts are mostly 6 months now. oh and the jag is geting a 4th mid slot seems devs sort of agree with weirda (three cheers for Weirda). aye this is very nice! still waiting for 4th bonus though, as even the 'best' AS are lacking without it - problem is now (with bonus change on some of them) that as 4th bonus some of the ship will simply need their old bonus back. will have to wait and see if need to keep thread around so can change it to 'take away all t2 ship 4th bonus so that they are like the Assault Ship because Maya Rykell think they ok!' __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!

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