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Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.04.18 11:49:00 - [1] Originally by: Kalixa Hihro Originally by: Rod Blaine I never fit a 1600mm on a deimos anyway. It gimps the ship to no end, utterly useless ship once you fit that. I use an 800mm II plate, or none at all. Then again, the 800mm II fits with 5 heavy ions and an ABII quite decently. Once you need the mwd you're screwed. An mwd setup means no plate, unless you go for electron II's and an 800mm plate. Yes that means deimos is maybe one of the weakest hac's in hac v hac or hac v bc, generally speaking. But how strange is that ? Tell me, what ship can be designed for short range, yet be cap hungry with a low cap, have low hitpoint total, and be grid poor and still function as a short range beast ? None can, it's that easy. Of course, this only gets most ibvious in 1v1, in 3v1 a blasterthron for example still works pretty fine, as does a deimos. Sometimes, in 1v1 it'll work fine too, for example when youve got a tracking disruptor on that mega and end up at 7km from a geddon with pulses. In general however, blasterboats are too weak to really function well. Which is why I'm glad to to see the damage bonus of the deimos work on rails as well. /signed 1600mm plate is a BS fitting. Expect to lose some damage capability if you fit something that sucks all your powergrid. This person is wanting a superman/iwin button on a ship. Tank _or_ deal damage. You can't do both. Pick one and stick with it. If you can do both extremely well there is a balance issue. Rod is on the money... Complaints that "I can't be superman" always ***** me up. -Kal Deimos can't do either that's the problem. It hardly gets in range to do it's damage cuz it'll be shot down long before that. A Zealot can get very near the Deimos DPS, at the range of 30km (Say what? yeah)with thrice the tank of a deimos
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.05.15 14:43:00 - [2] Originally by: OzaLoni well personally I would like to see the following changes made to the deimos. 5% increase in agility (maybe a little more) - I don't want it to be like a vaga (which is just haxor atm) but blasters and agility would seem to be a good mix! 200 extra grid would be fantastic, but i think i'm off in dream land here Actually i think the 200 grid is reasonable since a zealot can fit 4 guns a plate and a medium nosf without fitting mods, a deimos can only fit its guns without a fitting mod also a 10% speed increase would be more then reasonable
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.05.16 10:19:00 - [3] Originally by: Dash Ripcock This still needs to be addressed I truly don't understand why the devs don't give this HUGE thread with 99% agreement any attention
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.05.16 12:53:00 - [4] ehm this thread isn't about overpowering a deimos, it's about balancing it so that it can compete with other HAC's... If these proposed changes overpower the deimos, then NERF ALL HAC's cuz they're all overpowered
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.05.16 13:09:00 - [5] Edited by: Deathbarrage on 16/05/2006 13:08:59 Edited by: Deathbarrage on 16/05/2006 13:08:50 Originally by: Dash Ripcock Originally by: Techyon I'll Sign it again, perhaps Tux will check the thread one of these days Or maybe he doesn't want to... He replied to Jim Raynor's thread about Assault Launchers within 24 hours. Perhaps the answer he has lined up takes more than a few seconds to write, but I know I've devoted hours to all the posts I have made in this thread and not having a single reply is like a slap in the face. Maybe the dev's are all caldari ;)
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.05.16 14:02:00 - [6] this thread has now officially become to long for the forum to handle
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:53:00 - [7] about zealot being weaker: Zealot does about the same DPS as a deimos at a higher range with a better armor tank zealot can fit 4x heavy pulse a med nos and a medium armor repper and an mwd no problem to everyone saying EM dmg is useless vs armor tank: usually on an armor tanked ship all the resistances are about 80% so it's a stupid argument, respectively on BS alot of people fit expl/kin/therm hardeners leaving their EM as their lowest resistance. Please look at this thread devs, thanks
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.08.03 10:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Ichabod Crane Originally by: Kai Lae I'll be happy if I can fit 5 electrons w/ cap booster, med nos, med rep, and MWD without a RCU..as this is now impossible. You dont need an RCU to fit that, I suggest you either retest your setup or look at your skills to see what you're missing. And tbh, as a specialised blaster/deimos pilot, I really have no complaints about being able to fit this ship. Its no more difficult to fit than any other ship of its class, you seriously think a vagabond can fit a full rack of 425mm Autocannon II's without having to make large concessions in its speed or defensive capabilities? And really, comparing grid/cpu on an astarte to that of a deimos is like comparing a frigate and a destroyer. Their roles are completely different and they're a different class of ships, saying the deimos should be easier to fit because there is a huge difference in powergrid/cpu is like advocating that cruisers should have comparable grid to a battleship Dont get me wrong, I'd be the last one to complain about the deimos being boosted. But it honestly isnt required IMO, its not like the ship is crippled as it is. fight a zealot/vaga/ishtar and say that again
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.08.03 11:04:00 - [9] Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Bazman I can't be arsed training for an Astarte, battlecruiser 5 would make me quit the game (Just finished training 3 Rank 5 Skills to 5 :s) Wow a month of training from your normal skills? Your Perception and willpower are majorly crap or you're afraid Leadership5 + Squadron command might look horribly long with your crappy civire charisma? If you worry it won't be worth the time investment, think again.. he's just *****y ;) i did BC 5, leadership 5 and squadron command 4 in a month
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.08.09 11:31:00 - [10] I wish the deimos was on par with other HAC's but the problem is that (imo) in a game there should be like maybe a ''rock paper scizor (or however you write it)'' idea with ''this can counter that, this can counter that'' but atm in eve it's more like ''everything can counter the deimos, the deimos can't counter anything'' pretty fun ship to fly but it has too much limitations to fulfil its role like speed, mass, agility, pg, cpu

Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.08.15 10:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: Hellspawn01 It is possible to fit a 800mm plate on the deimos, standard mid slot layout, 5x Ions II, med nos and med repper as I stated earlier in this thread. You just need advanced weapon upgrades lvl5 and some other lvl5 skills to squeeze it in. wtf? Please tell me what game you are playing, I want to play it too. yeah standard med slot layout, you said nothing about lowslots ^^ RCU II is zeh key word
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.08.21 20:34:00 - [12] problem with deimos is it's so tied into 1 role namely getting close and dishing out damage, well its DPS isn't that too much far apart with the zealot/cerberus/muninn/vaga and it can't utilise its dps anyway cuz it'll be dead/out of cap when it reaches its target... Cuz the difference between the zealot/cerberus/muninn/vaga and the deimos is that the other ships can dish out not-alot-less dps from upto 30km, which the exception of the cerberus but that's just nasty, and they can tank quite well while they're at it
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.09.25 13:07:00 - [13] 30m/sec speed increase mass decrease 350 pg increase 40 CPU increase Deimos should be able to fit this: 5x ion II, 1x med nos MWD, web, 20km MAR II, 1x explosive II, 1x EANM II, 2x MFS II, 1x 800mm only this will make it on par with HAC's like the zealot and the vaga
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.09.26 08:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Kunming Well Ions and Neutrons dont do enough dmg (especially compared to electrons) to make the deimos an up close killer ship. So even if the deimos had more grid to fit a full rack of neutrons with everything else on top, it would only gain around 60 DPS over the electron setup. What a gank ship.. 60 dps is the other average crow added to your dps
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.10.11 16:05:00 - [15] will 950MW fix our problem? ... and when is kali 1 gonna be released?
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.10.11 16:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Shirazz dont gal have enough good ships....? Your other HAC is leet, why do they both have to be? cuz the deimos sux more then the sac
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:37:00 - [17] hint all the other blasterboats are easily heavily tanked/focussed on heavy tank
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.05.04 09:34:00 - [18] give deimos more speed, less mass, 5/4/6 layout and more pg, but then again that's what all people want that wanna fly the diemos and it will just overpower the deimos again so tbh not sure just figure something out I'm happy with my astarte :D

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