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Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.01 12:59:00 - [1] Deimos has been the weakest hac since they where released, and can be killed by well any other HAC really, besides the Eagle, kin/therm+range doesn't break a deimos anytime soon. Cerberus can't either, when using kinetic missiles. Sacrilige ain't weak, just misunderstood, and muninn is a powerhouse, just not used to full potential by most ( there isn't a HAC I haven't blown up in a Muninn ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.01 13:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Gariuys on 01/12/2005 13:36:19 Originally by: Meeko Gloom Edited by: Meeko Gloom on 01/12/2005 13:23:26 Originally by: Gariuys Deimos has been the weakest hac since they where released, and can be killed by well any other HAC really, besides the Eagle, kin/therm+range doesn't break a deimos anytime soon. Cerberus can't either, when using kinetic missiles. Sacrilige ain't weak, just misunderstood, and muninn is a powerhouse, just not used to full potential by most ( there isn't a HAC I haven't blown up in a Muninn ) If its the weakest then y is the demand so high??? My god people are stupid, demand is high cause it's overhyped and based on the rax ( but the ishtar has the heavy drones, not the deimos, and a rax without heavies is deadweight ) Beyond that, it's based on one of two cruisers that where usefull back in the days before the HACs, so people where used to the hull and the skills etc... And cause it's the most damaging cruiser by far, 2 mag fields get me including drones over 600 raw dps... That's a full gankalot but with a tank... people are impressed by that, and damage is king ( for now still anyways ), but that doesn't mean it's enough to make it a competitive hac compaired to the other HACs. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:18:00 - [3] The only way to get a semi decent setup with IONs is using loads of faction stuff, and a RCU. I just wanna be able to drop that RCU, keep my IONs and fit a DCU... And I sure as hell wouldn't mind some less mass, more agility, more speed too. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:30:00 - [4] Amarr, got megatank, and awesomegank. The 2 strong points of the amarr. Gallente, got megadronage, and weak ass blasterboat. The 2 gallente things. Caldari, missile mayhem and shieldtank/railer. 2 of the 3 caldari strongs. And minnies get, megaspeed, and megaflexibiliy. the 2 minnie things. Whether people like to fly a megatank instead of a awesomegank, that's up to you, not a problem with the ship. ( And sacrilige can do some pretty nice damage if you drop the I NEEEEEEEEEEED armor and Nossies idea ) Oh, and the damage difference between electrons and ions and neutrons are quite small, the difference is in range. So just lower fitting requirements. Or rather, gimme more grid.... cause grid is more flexible then lower fitting, and blaster grid is only half of the grid usage on my deimos (mwd/rep/nos take the rest) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:41:00 - [5] Edited by: Gariuys on 02/12/2005 15:43:17 Not far off, you bloody moron, that's ignoring a 2x 25% damage bonus........ not far off. freaking idiots that go around telling people who do have a clue how to... oh nvm... No not nvm, god you are stupid beyond believe.... there isn't a HAC, even flown by a complete moron like you that couldn't instantely vaporize a deimos fitted like that. And a vagabond would do that like 20 times better... the nerve to tell people that know the deimos inside out, that it owns, and then coming up with that.... ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHH ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Parallax Error Amarr only have 2 Pulse lasers in the Medium Energy class. True, effect on points made, zero! ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.03 01:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Parallax Error Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Parallax Error Amarr only have 2 Pulse lasers in the Medium Energy class. True, effect on points made, zero! Did I even mention anything other than correcting the point on Pulse lasers? No I did not, take your attitude somewhere else. Yeah, sorry, Ugluuk got me a bit cranky to say the least. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.03 02:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Gariuys Amarr, got megatank, and awesomegank. The 2 strong points of the amarr. Funny how both the Deimos and Ishtar outdamage the Zealot. The Ishtar of course does it with 0 pg/cpu/slots while being able to hold an awesome tank that leaves mids free for EW. Amarr have been able to gank at the expense of tanking and EW and still people ***** and moaned about it. Now the Gallente have gank/tank/ew and it's all balanced right? Did I say that? NO But I don't fly a ishtar, I fly a deimos. Personally I think with the drone changes, removing all heavy drones from cruisers wouldn't be such a bad idea. Just make the drone carriers the only ones to be able to field 10. Something like that. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.03 02:03:00 - [9] Originally by: Hobblin I Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Gariuys Amarr, got megatank, and awesomegank. The 2 strong points of the amarr. Funny how both the Deimos and Ishtar outdamage the Zealot. The Ishtar of course does it with 0 pg/cpu/slots while being able to hold an awesome tank that leaves mids free for EW. Amarr have been able to gank at the expense of tanking and EW and still people ***** and moaned about it. Now the Gallente have gank/tank/ew and it's all balanced right? You forgot to mention that for Amarr to gank you needed a minimum of 5 HS II to make dmg on Zealot at par with a deimos.. and the Arma is just another BS now... with almost NO purpose in game. Train Caldari or Gallente Meri.. you know you have to. Wonder how many mods it would take to get the range of a zealot on a deimos. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.03 02:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Drunkeh Edited by: Drunkeh on 02/12/2005 16:04:32 Originally by: Gariuys And minnies get, megaspeed, and megaflexibiliy. the 2 minnie things. So you are saying the muninn is "megaflexible"? With 3 mids, and 0 extra mids/lows? My Rupture is as flexible as my muninn. PS LOL @ whining deimos pilots. Yes it is, arties/autocannons+missiles+drones. Only thing that's not a option is EW. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool

Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.03 02:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Ugluuk Originally by: Gariuys Edited by: Gariuys on 02/12/2005 15:48:17 Edited by: Gariuys on 02/12/2005 15:43:17 Not far off, you bloody moron, that's ignoring a 2x 25% damage bonus........ not far off. freaking idiots that go around telling people who do have a clue how to... oh nvm... Edit1:No not nvm, god you are stupid beyond believe.... there isn't a HAC, even flown by a complete moron like you that couldn't instantely vaporize a deimos fitted like that. And a vagabond would do that like 20 times better... the nerve to tell people that know the deimos inside out, that it owns, and then coming up with that.... ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHH Edit:Double ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHH, you're worse then Detaurus and without being funny. If you have such clue, then why would my Deimos setup poon your blaster bonus Deimos? Why would my Deimos be a bigger threath to the Caldari hac`s? Your ignorance and "follow the book" attitude is why you dont make a name for yourself.. Every movie i make i hear..Omgwtf that setup was wierd..And why did it end up in a movie? cause i killed em.. My armor repairing Harpy that won vs prophecy and vengeance.. Omg that setup sucks ugly..When i killed them it was omg that setup owns.. Tell me how stupid i am..Tell me how i suck..And look at my Deimos when you sit in your pod after 1vs1 with it.. Yes that setup would defeat my blasterdeimos, and yes it's a bigger threat to caldari hacs... 2 reasons, cap usage of guns ( blasters take sick amounts of it, and resistances. Got nothing to do with your setup being a "better" all purpose setup. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.09 13:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Naughty Boy The speeds required for tracking to become an issue are so high that it requires an mwd for the vagabond to achieve them, at which point it messes up its own tracking more than the deimos. At lower speeds, the tracking is good enough for both ships to hit, damage reduction is only caused by falloff. Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. You should try flying a short ranger someday. Cause clearly you never have. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.09 13:40:00 - [13] Edited by: Gariuys on 09/12/2005 13:40:44 Originally by: Naughty Boy Originally by: Gariuys Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. You should try flying a short ranger someday. Cause clearly you never have. In eve, turrets can miss even under optimal circumstances and tracking is caped, which means that you can't improve your hit type (get more "well aimed" shots) by improving your tracking or shooting a big target with small guns. Points at tracking guide. I know, it's counter-intuitive. I bloody hope you can get past that. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. Thanks, Naughty Boy, some stupid flash guide is indeed worth well more then opinions and experiences of people that have flown blasterboats since day one, I'm a deimos pilot exclusively for instance. And one of the first owners if not the first owner of a deimos, haven't flown anything else for longer then 10 minutes since that day. And there are several others in this thread as well. What I just quoted from you is absolute BULLL****. No matter what that guide says. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.09 13:57:00 - [14] I'm not patronizing you, I'm saying that that guide is just that. A GUIDE not some holy bible that tells you everything you need to know about combat, it's a indicator. Combat logs show quite clearly, that superior tracking DOES matter. It gets you better hits across the board. And backup my claim? I've been flying that damn ship for however logn it's been released, I bloody well know how it handles. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.24 14:51:00 - [15] Edited by: Gariuys on 24/01/2006 14:55:33 Guess what I'll be training up for. Slower and bigger sig for almost double damage output, I'll take that anyday of the week. Already got the basis for a setup lined up. 7x ion II 1x SS mwd, 1x fleeting web, 1x scrambler, 1x DB med cap injector 1x TS armor rep, 1x SS armor rep, 1x DB energized explosive, 1x DB energized adaptive nano membrane, 2x SS mag field. Bit of a hopflotch transfer of a deimos setup without nos, but looks good on paper. ( now to get the darn skills up ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.24 16:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Dash Ripcock What I suspect happened was that CCP brought out the Heavy Assaults knowing that a large number of people flew the Thorax. Rather than make the Deimos the close-range killer she was supposed to be and risk cries from the EVE public since theyÆd be the ship to see the most immediate deployment, they gave her the most extensive graphical overhaul and packaged her pre-nerfed hoping our eyes would be blinded by her luscious lines and camouflaged skin. Well, the relationship is reaching maturity now CCP and weÆre more interested with whatÆs inside than a beautiful exterior. She needs: [1] The same velocity and agility as a Thorax. At least. [2] The ability to field med-range blasters, namely Heavy Ion Blaster IIs. I'll bet a full faction fitted deimos on that being not far from the truth at all ( hey if you're wrong, you get a free toy to play with ;) ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.25 14:30:00 - [17] Edited by: Gariuys on 25/01/2006 14:32:02 Void is pretty nice. But 800 seems a bit low, hit 750+ with 2x SS mag fields, 615 from the guns. But I use a RCU and 5x ions as well instead of the PDU. Maxed out here as well, gallente drone spec 5 FTW I ain't eyeshadow but the 25% damage, nos, and 50% falloff are pretty nice, and so are the cap and resists. But compaired to the other HACs the improvement is pretty minimal really. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.25 15:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Gariuys Edited by: Gariuys on 25/01/2006 14:32:02 Void is pretty nice. But 800 seems a bit low, hit 750+ with 2x SS mag fields, 615 from the guns. But I use a RCU and 5x ions as well instead of the PDU. Maxed out here as well, gallente drone spec 5 FTW I ain't eyeshadow but the 25% damage, nos, and 50% falloff are pretty nice, and so are the cap and resists. But compaired to the other HACs the improvement is pretty minimal really. Yes but do you have a medium NOS and the extra cap/recharge etc from a PDU? I could swop my 3 dmg mods to 3 SS and check the dmg output but i cba to go get em off my blasterthron As for Rax v Deimos the Deimos will win everytime now. The rax's only advantage, its drone bay, is now the same. The extra resists, second dmg bonus and falloff bonus, not to mention extra armor etc, just make it so much better than a rax at the close range blaster game (that is if you can get them easily like i can). Price is the only real problem Got the med nos, but yeah sacrifice the cap from the pdu for all ions, love those ions, used to run same as you but the greater range flexibility of the ions won me over. That's why they should fit without a RCU CCP... fix now!! ;) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.26 15:18:00 - [19] Edited by: Gariuys on 26/01/2006 15:21:14 Originally by: Nival How can you justify asking for Deimos boost when Muninn runs into exactly the same issues. Either boost all the tier2 HACs (with possible exception of Sacriledge, which is already getting fixed) or leave them alone. lol AC muninn destroys deimoses so fast it's sick. And you SHIELD tank a arti munnin, with pdu/rcu in the lows and things look a lot better. And setup like that it makes a awesome long ranger as well. And yes that means no speed mods in arti mode, big deal. ( been ages, but 1x rcu, 1x pdu, 1x co-pro, 2x gyro IIRC, with kin hardner large shield booster and amplifier in meds, should fit IIRC ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.26 15:24:00 - [20] Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Nival How can you justify asking for Deimos boost when Muninn runs into exactly the same issues. Either boost all the tier2 HACs (with possible exception of Sacriledge, which is already getting fixed) or leave them alone. lol AC muninn destroys deimoses so fast it's sick. You've fought one? I know the way you fit your deimos, you'd go thru my armor at the speed of light and i couldn't repair fast enough. We'd both be in structure and you'd probably die tho, due to having less armor. But your sheer damage is A L O T higher. Flown against, and flown as. Sheer damage is actually pretty close as well not in dps, but in dps you can project on target, munnin hits sooner into the fight, unless you land right on top of each other and even then munnin wins. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool

Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.14 14:14:00 - [21] Originally by: EL TITAN diemos is fine the way it is tbh theres other hacs in line before the diemos that need more loving You've made me see the light, in the face of such awesome arguments who can argue that the deimos(note the spelling of the word) is in fact not quite fine the way it is. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:36:00 - [22] Just hope they don't change cap use and tracking for blasters and leave it at that. Tracking I can deal with, Signature focusing 5 and webber FTW. It's cap use I can deal with as well. Fights shouldn't take long if you're a blasterboat. They're weakness of blasters, but they're not what needs fixing ( not that I'll be against a tracking boost cause tracking on blasters is indeed difficult too master ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:02:00 - [23] Deimos doesn't suffer as badly cause it doesn't get the mwd penalty and has battleship lvl cap recharge ( as do all other HACs ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.30 15:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Miklas Laces Originally by: Dash Ripcock Note that in those situations the Deimos is carrying an Afterburner to actually fit the Ion Blasters, and that it doesn't take into account that whilst you're on the approach they're beating the living hell out of you. I used the AB because I wanted to compare similar setups for all ships. If you want to fit Mwd then you have to drop the Ions and fit Electrons (less damage and shorter range). Or you fit AB and waste 1 ship bonus. Also note that the Deimos is the only hac that have to waste a slot on a RCU to fit standard stuff (well below standard if you want MWD). One thing I don't agree is the complain about Deimos clumsiness. All hacs have the same agility (0.65) Yes, but deimos has high mass and low speed, for its role. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.04.04 13:10:00 - [25] Next time, put the advice to fit RCUs and Neutrons at the top of our post so I won't bother reading it. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.04.04 14:53:00 - [26] Sorry Ithildin, but you posted in between me writing the reply and hitting the post button. Went for a smoke in the meantime. Was aimed at denrace. Believe me, I'm on the deimos could use some improvement side of the fence. ( dedicated deimos pilot here, for a long long time now, flew one of the very first built, and haven't flown anything else since. ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:56:00 - [27] Originally by: DeathWarrior HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [ 145 \| 27] Heavy Ion Blaster II > [ 145 \| 27] Heavy Ion Blaster II > [ 145 \| 27] Heavy Ion Blaster II > [ 145 \| 27] Heavy Ion Blaster II > [ 145 \| 27] Heavy Ion Blaster II > [ 9 \| 15] Small Diminishing Power System Drain I MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~ > [ 150 \| 50] Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive > [ 1 \| 22] Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I > [ 1 \| 24] Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~ > [ 173 \| 28] Medium Armor Repairer II > [ 2 \| 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II > [ 2 \| 30] Energized Reactive Membrane II > [ 1 \| 30] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II > [ 1 \| 30] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II > [ 0 \| 2] Local Power Plant Manager: Capacity Power Relay I This setup gives you a decent tank + damage .. you may not be able to tank for long but it balances out between damage/tank ability. I use Null and it seems to work fine. Just a note, RCU+med nos, if you can get it to fit cpu wise, is a better choice. over the relay and small nos IMHO. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:03:00 - [28] Originally by: MOS DEF Pretty funny that the cheapest deimos on market is 165 mill right now. If the ship would onlybe half as ****ty as the constant whining in here makes one think i'd buy one for 80 mill now and be one happy camper. There are a lot of cruiser pilots that appreciate the thorax, cause it's a good ship for it's class, and even though it lost it's main selling point. It's still recommended a lot. Deimos is the natural progression from the thorax. Other point is the quite true fact that finding a platform that is equally mobile or more so then a deimos with the same dps is gonna be a challenge. It's not like it doesn't have it's uses, it most certainly does. But it's quite limited, and it's not as superior at close combat as you would expect a gallente cruiser to be. ( translation it gets ass wooped by every other short range HAC setup there is ) And yes there is the isthar ( saw someone else comment on it ) But I don't want an ishtar, not that I'm not effective in one quite the contrary but I want my close range knife fighting blaster totting baby to be more lethal then high dps isk sink ( for my wallet anyway ) that gets blown to pieces before it even fires a shot, or runs out of cap long before the enemies tank breaks. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Got a question to the deimos pilots in here that have fitting problems (might be everyone here): Do you have the following skills at lvl5? -Advanced weapon upgrades -Engineering -Energy systems Operation -Energy management -Weapon upgrades -Electronics upgrades If you use plates, then you definately need RCU or a PDU. If you prefer gank, then you will probably use 2x damage mods and 2x energized adaptive nanos. I personaly use a 800mm plate 2x RCU II and 2 passive hardeners and a full set of Ions II. Got about 6 grid spare with very high skills. If you dont have one of the above named skills maxed, then you should do that before you talk about fitting problems. No offense ment. None taken, but just FYI almost 41mil skillpoints and totally devoted to the Deimos ( branching out now too Astarte ) and Adv. weapon upgrades lvl 5 is completely useless since it doesn't change anything for virtually all deimos setups. ( doesn't let me fit a neutron, doesn't let me remove RCU/PDS ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Kunming Originally by: Ithildin No. The Deimos had 1000 metric drone bay (enough for a full dish of medium drones) while the Thorax had 2000 metric. When the Thorax was nerfed to 50 metrics it didn't affect the Deimos at all. The Thorax was cut in half, then divided by 20 in one go. The Deimos was only divided by 20. Thinking again you are right actually.. /me runs away in shame Seriously though thats even worse, as it means the devs probably think that the concept is perfectly alright... the concept of a T2 blasterboat which cant perform its role and has worse stats than its T1 version. That's cause when they where first introduced ( which was over 18 months ago ) the deimos was weaker then the others, but by a small margin. As things are currently this is no longer the case. And it's insanely hard to fit compaired to all other HACs and command ships. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool

Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Angus Torg Look at the Deimos price. It's as high as for the "good" HACs. Why would it need to be changed then, if people seem to use it? Yes sales figures should decide balance... hmm is that a freaking huge nerfbat coming right at the blackbird??? Or should balance be ehm BALANCED? ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:11:00 - [32] Originally by: Kunming Every other serious ship thread got a dev response. Either Tux has something very delicate on his mind or has nothing on his mind about the deimos; I'm affraid its more the latter. I dont even bother login in anymore.. hell why should I? I cant play the game how I want, I wanna fight close and personal in a HAC, train for a vagabond you say? I think not. Bah, not even gonna check forums anymore, they get you really ****ed off.. Train for a Astarte, even slower then a deimos, but atleast you can fit it decently, which is something. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.30 12:15:00 - [33] He posted in another thread that he'd look into it. So in a year or two we'll hear the deimos isn't getting any loving, but the vagabond had it's speed boosted. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.31 10:36:00 - [34] Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 31/05/2006 10:26:42 Originally by: Tuxford Wow long thread. If it makes you feel any better then I've noticed it and I'll look into it. Next patch, Deimos gets a missile hardpoint. If that happens, I'm 100% positive every deimos pilot would drop a freighterload of void in Tuxfords belly... so doubt he'll do that. ;-) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.31 11:20:00 - [35] A bonus makes soemthing better. That's true, but NOT fitting a mwd is better for your cap then do fitting it. So in that way, is it really a bonus? Not that I don't like it, but it's also a extremely limited bonus, cause if you don't fit a mwd, there is no bonus. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.03 11:47:00 - [36] Yuk Astarte indeed? It's got the deimos drawbacks... but plusses to make up for it. Command ships lvl 5 in 30 days ( yeah royal pain that one ) ftw. Beautiful boat. Although a general boast to BC agility/mass wouldn't be completely without merit since my megathron is faster.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.03 11:56:00 - [37] You won't regret it, great toy for a blasterboat lover.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.14 07:51:00 - [38] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd All I know is that, My Diemos is a helluva alot easier to fit than my Astarte. Diemos setups, I've never EVER had a problem fitting it out. Astarte, I've had nothing but problems from day one. Every thing is so tight to fit on the astarte. Or is it that now people can fit Neutrons to their megas Easily They want the same for the diemos. Its only an opinion, but I think its fine as it is. WTH, fitting trouble on AStarte? IT can run a full rack of neutrons, a med rep and mwd, without any problems.... Deimos can only use ions, and that's with a empty hislot, fill that and you need a RCU... so bull.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.16 10:43:00 - [39] Rather use a nos then a injector to be honest.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Gasi Kobayashi ahm ... Amarr thread got something like 71 pages and there's still no yellow response Yeah but this thread has a bit more substance to it then lotsa whining. :-P

Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.18 08:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Izo Azlion Originally by: Troubadour I have to agree with dash. The deimos can't even fit a rack of medium grade weapons (t2 ions) without taking up one of it's lows for an RCU. When I first got hacs I was all excited about the deimos and it's damage bonus and the fact it was a blaster boat. Turns out the ishtar is a better blaster boat, it can also use ECM, and tanks better. I gave up on the deimos along time ago. Until it gets more grid i'm not using it just because it is so frustrating to fit. I'm never happy with it, or comfortable flying it. Advanced Weapon Upgrades. Train it. But I do agree. Lets have some bonus for it please? Its getting annoying :p Lol most of the peeps commenting on this have already done this quite some time ago.... this isn't a thread filled with 2 month old chars you know.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Space Samuri Originally by: Xpar To keep in line with the Tuxford's philosophy of the new Tier 3 Gallente BS, Hyperion, that is to lower the mass of blasterboats, I kind of feel Deimos should get a mass reduction as well. FFS you got your little grid upgrade, now something else? It will never end.. Grid increase doesn't do much, the old setup we wanted doesn't fit without fitting mods even with the grid increase. And with the other changes, no plate means you're fecked. Only thing the grid increase does is if you keep the RCU fitted, you can fit a damage rig.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.13 21:09:00 - [43] Originally by: Asmodeos Edited by: Asmodeos on 13/11/2006 13:11:16 we'll offcourse you'll need help from someone who webs ^_^, and if ur alone, pick ur fights wisely can sometimes help:P So you can kill people you land 5km away from, if they don't have propulsion mods.... go you. I'm expecting a bit more really.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.13 21:11:00 - [44] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Gariuys Grid increase doesn't do much, the old setup we wanted doesn't fit without fitting mods even with the grid increase. And with the other changes, no plate means you're fecked. Only thing the grid increase does is if you keep the RCU fitted, you can fit a damage rig. Speaking of rigs... the brutix will fit a dual rep, injected electron II setup with TWO damage rigs, no grid upgrades, just for comparison. Now I know the brutix is a higher class, but even without the assault resists it tanks pretty similarly and has, iirc, over double the armor of the deimos to start with. With 2 damage rigs it also does very similar, if not more damage than the deimos. Go figure. I'm not even gonna mention what a astarte can do with rigs ( think 1500 dps from medium blasters with a respectable tank and all the mods you could want )
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.23 18:04:00 - [45] In 1 week, this thread will have been going for a year!
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.19 21:56:00 - [46] Originally by: fire 59 signed coz its a bootiful ship Yeah it really is... best looker ingame...

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