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E man Industries SeaChell Productions 107	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:48:00 - [1] - Quote Love the new changes for the winter expansion. I resubbed as it was $5 and I really like the new direction for eve. But my main beef is still unchanged. There is a lack of fun, interesting, accessible, meaningful content. --1.There is a lack if things to do in a short play period. Short being 1-2 hours a night. ------ a. Incursions take a long time to travel to and then join a forming fleet and it is almost time to log of. ------ b. PvP roams are great but often include many jumps and if you start you play period right when itGÇÖs forming up greatGÇª.if not you often have -+ -1h of pay time left and simply log because the op will take longer ------- c. Missions, sanctums are mindless isk done to reach a goal or pay for pvpGÇªthey are boring and the though of that being the highlight of logging on makes me want to stab my eyes out -------d. Mining is GÇª.well mining ------- e. WH also take a decent amount of form up time past class 4. So IGÇÖm left with solo PvP and while fun is feast or famine in terms of availability and is done more to kill time than anything else. --2. No new content that really affects what I can do in the game. --3. Sov warfare is boring! Yay we fleet up they run away or we stand down. Been blue balled in fleets so often IGÇÖm glad IGÇÖve already had kids. If we do fight itGÇÖs a pos bash or a lag fest. So what is a player who plays between 8:00 to 10:00 local time mon-fri to do? What is to excite me about EvE any longer and want to work towards something? What is fun and exciting to log on and participate in EvE that is available on a consistent basis? EvE is simply not as accessible as it needs to be. I think 90% of EvE players currently play WoT on the side for this very reason. Posts show EvE is not growing, and EvE will not grow unless it provides fun meaning full content that is accessible to players who donGÇÖt schedule there life around a game. So for these reasons I go sit by at the PC turn on EvE only to really lack any desire to play so log and go do something else. EvE really needs more. So i sit here subscribed and with eve installed and IGÇÖm looking to play for 1h.....and i have 0 motivation to log on. Is anything planned for this? Would really help out eve a lot if more accessible content was present. these could include Dynamic missions using sleeper AI Dynamic group missions that scale based on your fleet. Fleeting is more fun that soloing a level 4.(incursions take to long to get to) Faction warfare for quick accessible pvp...that may eventually mean something. I'm sure there are others but believe give us something to do that is fun and meaningful that can be achieved within a shorter play period. Thanks I have actually Un-subbed my acounts, We need more to do, not more to wear. E-mail me when CCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term goals.
Jenshae Chiroptera 45	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:52:00 - [2] - Quote I actually enjoy EVE for half of those reasons and am glad that they eliminate a bunch of attention deficient kids from playing it. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.
E man Industries SeaChell Productions 107	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:55:00 - [3] - Quote Karadion wrote: OP is obviously a high-sec empire pubbie. Then you would be wrong. Yes I spent a lot of time in Empire but i have done a lot in 0.0. Small scale roams where fun, but in between ratting for isk was even worse than missions. Large fleet forms up and we bridge to get close to the action and all this takes time. I then have to leave and get to look forward to 18 jumps solo through null sec when i log back on...In my baddon.. or more often we form up our fleet and the other fleet stands down..or we stand down....yay what fun. Spent more time in 0.0 than empire...these issues still apply. As for being ADHD...what impact would that have on how long I can play? It must be my undiagnosed ADHD and not work, wife, kids, or life that keep me from playing 6 hours or more a day. I don't mind if something takes a long time...But let me work on it in increments. let me have fun when I play not jumping around(not saying travel needs to be faster, space just needs more intresting local things) I have actually Un-subbed my acounts, We need more to do, not more to wear. E-mail me when CCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term goals.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 103	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:57:00 - [4] - Quote minecraft might be an option Cant think of many sub based mmos that have quickie missions STO caters to that stuff if you can tolerate a bad version of SFC longer than 10 minutes. The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Elise DarkStar DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium 95	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:02:00 - [5] - Quote I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect content that can be finished satisfactorily and enjoyably in between 1-2 hours. For me, Eve's uniqueness is because of the required mindset, not the willingness to sit at a computer for longer than players in other games.
Jenshae Chiroptera 45	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:07:00 - [6] - Quote E man Industries wrote: As for being ADHD...what impact would that have on how long I can play? It must be my undiagnosed ADHD and not work, wife, kids, or life that keep me from playing 6 hours or more a day. Quick to take general responses personally aren't you? CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.

CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 95	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:10:00 - [7] - Quote Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator

mkint 180	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:15:00 - [8] - Quote With Incursions, it's not the travel-to time that gets me. It's that if you're in a high demand ship (logi) you're expected to spend a very minimum of 3 hours in fleet. I'm in the "want solo incursion missions" column. With incursions you've got the 100 mil isk/hour vanguard sites with a minimum 3 hour commitment, and the 3 mil isk/hour scout sites for no commitment. I'd really love incursion mission agents that pay, say 70 mil isk/hour, with about an hour commitment. Even better if some of that kind of content was recycled for nullbears (with pay scaling appropriately.) Even better if said exploration/mission sites had randomizers built in to keep things fresh. Even better if there were decisions to make in the sites that would provide some out-of-site benefit (for example, achieving one objective temporarily reduces the belt rat sizes making life easier for miners, one spawns some high end ore in existing belts, and another adds a cycle of high end moon mats to a local moon.) This kind of content seems like the natural evolution of EVE's existing, dated PVE. I know it's not a quick fix, but the advantages of keeping more casual, less time rich people involved in the game means higher long term subs, and a healthier game. I kinda want to comment on how harder incursion sites pay less (and require something like a 6+ hour commitment) except one of the highest isk/hour incursion FC's is focusing on them, so I'm not sure how true the common wisdom is.
E man Industries SeaChell Productions 107	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:22:00 - [9] - Quote They don't even need to be solo, but really small group focused with short time commitments. They would and should pay less, but still be available. I have actually Un-subbed my acounts, We need more to do, not more to wear. E-mail me when CCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term goals.
arcca jeth Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance 6	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:30:00 - [10] - Quote E-Man: Staged Null FW/Incursion Sieges? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24310&find=unread this is an idea i have been bouncing off a few heads, hopefully it will be considered. one has to read the whole thread though, plus responses to fully explore the idea.

Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:31:00 - [11] - Quote didnt read but all you really needed was to copy and paste your title loloolololololllololollllllllllllllllllllllllolololol
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 86	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:33:00 - [12] - Quote OP I agree that Eve does lack "quick" content, although that is tough to do within a sandbox environment. It isn't impossible, ccp could add Arena combat (for actual ship loss) as well as other player tools to run events, but they aren't interested or have no idea how to do so. AG Please take a moment to review your text before submitting.
Alara IonStorm Caldari State 177	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:44:00 - [13] - Quote +1 OP I would love to see things like: * Arena Combat * Group Missions that have Challenge. * Ramping up current content like NPC's using Incursions tactics w/o the stats, RR, Bombers, MWD's and such. A bit more causal stuff for the Winter would be Awesome.
Vandiilo Bubba Corp 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 18:07:00 - [14] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: +1 OP I would love to see things like: * Arena Combat * Group Missions that have Challenge. * Ramping up current content like NPC's using Incursions tactics w/o the stats, RR, Bombers, MWD's and such. A bit more causal stuff for the Winter would be Awesome. Arena, gladiator, whatever you wanna call it to fit in with lore- yes please. Queue for it or just show up, 1v1, 3v3, 5v5. This would be amazing. You wouldn't even have to give any reward, people would show up just for a guaranteed 1v1.
E man Industries SeaChell Productions 112	Posted - 2011.10.24 19:13:00 - [15] - Quote lots of options and would really like to hear what is planned. I have actually Un-subbed my acounts, We need more to do, not more to wear. E-mail me when CCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term goals.
Morgals Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.10.24 22:36:00 - [16] - Quote Would love to see more to do on a short log in period. Ideally something challenging and intresting that works towards something you complete over many small play sessions.
EnderCapitalG GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 211	Posted - 2011.10.24 22:37:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic. Remove your own post :iceburn:
Alara IonStorm Caldari State 178	Posted - 2011.10.24 22:38:00 - [18] - Quote Morgals wrote: Would love to see more to do on a short log in period. Ideally something challenging and intresting that works towards something you complete over many small play sessions. Like expanding on Expedition Complexes. Sort of like a repeatable chain of Complexes at varying difficulty with advanced AI Enemies with each chain having several different places it could decide to send you each with random challenges based on the Theme.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol 161	Posted - 2011.10.24 22:41:00 - [19] - Quote Apollo Gabriel wrote: OP I agree that Eve does lack "quick" content, although that is tough to do within a sandbox environment. It isn't impossible, ccp could add Arena combat (for actual ship loss) as well as other player tools to run events, but they aren't interested or have no idea how to do so. AG +1 Fully agreed. It may well be one of the major reasons that it doesn't have that much subscribers. Many people just don't have the spare time to waste hours travelling or looking for action.
Paragon Renegade The Multinational Company. 40	Posted - 2011.10.24 22:44:00 - [20] - Quote < Wants Arena gameplay in Hubs "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"

Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 55	Posted - 2011.10.24 22:49:00 - [21] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: +1 OP I would love to see things like: * Arena Combat * Group Missions that have Challenge. * Ramping up current content like NPC's using Incursions tactics w/o the stats, RR, Bombers, MWD's and such. A bit more causal stuff for the Winter would be Awesome. Well actually the biggest issue when you're casual player (have my own business so not all my time to play eve) Connect: -wait op's, can't do anything else and rating/anoms anyway is a waste of ammo, time to travel ect takes me more time to do it than a single lvl4 mission in high sec -no op: log off, grind forum, connect "other game", browse forum, play other game and have "some" fun. -if op: regroup, jump, primary A secondary B....etc etc etc... "WAW SO MUCH FUN !!" yeah....
Morgals Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2011.10.25 01:45:00 - [22] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: +1 OP I would love to see things like: * Arena Combat * Group Missions that have Challenge. * Ramping up current content like NPC's using Incursions tactics w/o the stats, RR, Bombers, MWD's and such. A bit more causal stuff for the Winter would be Awesome. Well actually the biggest issue when you're casual player (have my own business so not all my time to play eve) Connect: -wait op's, can't do anything else and rating/anoms anyway is a waste of ammo, time to travel ect takes me more time to do it than a single lvl4 mission in high sec -no op: log off, grind forum, connect "other game", browse forum, play other game and have "some" fun. -if op: regroup, jump, primary A secondary B....etc etc etc... "WAW SO MUCH FUN !!" yeah.... It does seam like you need to play another game to play eve
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 14	Posted - 2011.10.25 02:05:00 - [23] - Quote Well, considering that games like LOTRO for instance, offer up several 30 to 1 hour long doable content in the form of INSTANCED scenarios called "skirmishes" , you probably could say safely, that anything of that matter if either impossible (as I remember the devs once saying the code of eve is written to make everything ingame "real" no matter what) and that we as players could advocate for other venus of short term bursts of "FAST PLAY". I remember logging in for an hour to CRAFT Halas 10lbs Meat pies and Grobb Juices in EQ1 and sometimes log my Necro for some farming or old quest finishing that required just regular turn ins of mob drops. EVE is so basically different, in that you are a big mechanical egg introducing yourself in fancy ships that the most real form of quick fun should boil to it and its hard to accommodate. You could try to PVE a bit with a mission but that gets boring fast for some people. Perhaps a new set of quick missions that play differently somehow? I have a hard time trying to figure something out doable in eve that gives you sense of accomplishment in a limited time set of max 1 or 2 hours, unless you segment a long term goal into bursts of 1 to 2 hours, but thats more you playing within the constraints of the game. Galactic Poker? with the IGB working as the dealer? Systemwide solitaire games? Big Red vs Blue marathons? I think FW could be worked out A LOT to do something in the FAST PLAY area for people with no time. Only times I play eve is when I know I have several hours of gametime, and must confess that other games cater better to short bursts of free time. Why don't you wait for DUST? Nothing is more casual than a bunch of people shooting each other and you could blow people off in the game universe for some time before having to disconnect. I just wish Dust was PC too, using a PS3 is for me like downgrading from my rig. Interesting question, but I feel something wrong in trying to implement that into eve. If Monoclegate showed something is that you can't take the niche out of the game, at least not drastically.
How2FoldSoup Hull Tanking Elitists 5	Posted - 2011.10.25 03:48:00 - [24] - Quote All of this can be done in the ~1month since they've changed anew, clearly. Since CCP is an abominable company why don't you code and fix everything yourself in 1 months time.
Madam Steele Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.10.25 03:54:00 - [25] - Quote Brujo Loco wrote: I just wish Dust was PC too, using a PS3 is for me like downgrading from my rig. My only concern with Dust on a pc is considering the sort of players in Eve and what's at stake there'd be aimbots, speedhacks and any other conceivable hack/exploit probably by day two.
Jooce McNasty Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2011.10.25 04:09:00 - [26] - Quote Yes EVE can be lacking in quick play content but it is also lacking in the mechanics for players to develop quick play mechanics. If there was a way for a corporation to setup 1v1's / 2v2's what happens is that there is no mechanic to enforce it. I think CCP needs to add some things in at some point to help players design our own content and allow us to run and enforce it. EX: Like Cribbas free port. I imagine a corp/alliance running a free port in Low sec. Have poses setup that they rent out and allow players to dock their SCAPS there and charge a daily fee. Set it up so this corp/alliance polices this system the entry and exit. Or players setup 1v1 arena's in a system where they run the fights and provide the ref's. You would charge an entry fee keep and 10-20% to cover the costs of players reffing and setting up the fights. Then winner take all. Allow betting on the side. There is so much that could be done with some support from CCP and with the imagination of the players.
E man Industries SeaChell Productions 115	Posted - 2011.10.25 13:51:00 - [27] - Quote Giving more tools for player content would be huge, but in eve it has to be so resistnat to abuse. Sounds like the new PI station is moving in that direction. Still the fundamental question. I have 1h to play what can I do that is fun in eve. I have actually Un-subbed my acounts, We need more to do, not more to wear. E-mail me when CCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term goals.


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