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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2005.12.01 15:45:00 -
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Hi all,
One of my mates at work it really put off by monthly subscription games like EVE which is a right shame because I really want him to start playing EVE with me and my other mates.
I have been trying to convice him to start a 14 day free trial off for about 2 months now with little outcome.
His arguement is basicly that no one should need to pay monthly for games and that "it will cause all games to have no future as everyone will follow suit, If I subscribe then I'm no better and will cause all other game companys to follow suit and charge monthly"
I realllly want to get him into EVE as I know he will love the game but if he doesn't want to pay for it then there is nothing I can really do... apart from hassle him everyday 
My question is help me to convice him how good EVE really is and for somehow to convice him to AT LEAST try his 14 day trial...
(I think I know why he won't try it for the simple fact that if he does he might like it and still not want to pay)
But I need help here! its a shame he can't post to argue his case because I'm sure you lot would have a lot to say to him but I can relay stuff from this post to him and post the responce 
W.
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Magunus
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Posted - 2005.12.01 15:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Wizzkidy
Hi all,
One of my mates at work it really put off by monthly subscription games like EVE which is a right shame because I really want him to start playing EVE with me and my other mates.
I have been trying to convice him to start a 14 day free trial off for about 2 months now with little outcome.
His arguement is basicly that no one should need to pay monthly for games and that "it will cause all games to have no future as everyone will follow suit, If I subscribe then I'm no better and will cause all other game companys to follow suit and charge monthly"
I realllly want to get him into EVE as I know he will love the game but if he doesn't want to pay for it then there is nothing I can really do... apart from hassle him everyday
My question is help me to convice him how good EVE really is and for somehow to convice him to AT LEAST try his 14 day trial...
(I think I know why he won't try it for the simple fact that if he does he might like it and still not want to pay)
But I need help here! its a shame he can't post to argue his case because I'm sure you lot would have a lot to say to him but I can relay stuff from this post to him and post the responce
W.
I'm not sure why he believes all games will follow suit. MMOGs have monthly subscription fees because they have to run a server, keep it upgraded, pay the admins, pay for the network pipe, etc. Other games don't need to do that, and would never need to charge such a fee.
If some game like Quake 4 decided to start charging a monthly fee, I'd better be getting something monthly from them for it. As it is, I'm not. So if they tried to charge a fee like that, nobody would pay, period. Someone would just hack the code to remove the check. Since they don't need to connect to a server to play the game, there would be no reason it wouldn't work. If you tried to do that to EVE, the game would just stop working because your account on the server would shut down.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.01 15:55:00 -
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MMOs pay because they have running costs (servers). also, in eve, he is getting all his expansion content free. assuming that i had paid ú20 each for the game, RMR and cold-war (those since i joined), i would have paid more than i have paid in monthly fees since i started.
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2005.12.01 15:57:00 -
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ask him if he drinks beer. then, ask him if he do with a pint less a week. EVE subs paid for
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JOSEPHx
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:00:00 -
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Ask him why he pays his tv licence fee, or sattelite tv, or cable or internet charges each month.
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PASTOR TROY
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:01:00 -
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Kidnap and important family member. Tell him if he ever wants to see them again, to play eve. 
Or, just let him miss out and realize this, "You cant save everyone".
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Riddeck
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:03:00 -
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One thing your friend needs to understand is that almost all mmorpg's cost money to play each month.
Reason being is that it helps pay for the servers, dev. time, broad band, etc. There is alot that is involed in a online game.
Other types of games such as console games are already online and playable with others around the world, but you dont have to pay to play those, you can play the single player all day long.
Your friend has nothing to lose if he trys the trial program.
I just started playing EvE about 2 days ago and i enjoy the hell out of it but i am far from being new to online games, i have played almost every title online game out there.
This is the way i look at things:
14.99 a month to play a game is not really that much for entertainment.
One night of entertainment:
Movies - 7.00 bucks to enter and about 10.00 bucks for refreshments and popcorn. 17.00 bucks
Movie with a date: 14.00 bucks to enter and about 20.00 to 30.00 bucks on refreshments, popcorn and snacks (depends on how much your date eats) 34.00 to 44.00
Dinner, Movie with your date: 50.00 to 60.00 bucks for dinner (plus tip) *for movie prices and cost look above*
This one night of entertainment would cost you almost 100 bucks.
Now with online games all you pay is 14.99 once and you have 30-31 days of entertainment payed for.
Its a no brianer.
Your friend needs to get with the times because everything is online these days.
Hope this helps, just my 2 cents
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: PASTOR TROY
"You cant save everyone".
NEVER!!! yarrrr!
But really I want him to play and pay for it because he will like it! (He even admits he would like it)
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Riddeck
Movie with a date: 14.00 bucks to enter and about 20.00 to 30.00 bucks on refreshments, popcorn and snacks (depends on how much your date eats) 34.00 to 44.00
Dinner, Movie with your date: 50.00 to 60.00 bucks for dinner (plus tip) *for movie prices and cost look above*
This one night of entertainment would cost you almost 100 bucks.
ah, but eve wont get you sex for the 15 a month...will it?
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sergio Ling on 01/12/2005 16:10:17
dbl post of death
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Riddeck
Your friend needs to get with the times because everything is online these days.
Maybe...but he is with the times thats the thing, he really needs to argue his case himself...damn forums....he can't post cause he aint gotta account
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:15:00 -
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Oi! Friend! Play it. Now!
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor
Oi! Friend! Play it. Now!
If only, He's a little bit more stubborn then that Maybe its a loss cause
But still I can't even get him to try his trial....it just doesn't seem excited about it enough to try it....even though he would most probably enjoy it.
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:24:00 -
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Well tell your friend i used to be of the same mind about paying for online games and i swore i would never pay to play any game, but as you can see here i am and i'm loving it, not only does my monthly fee allow me to play a very awesome game but i get access to the community of eve and devs who like to post the word Boobies on the forum *looks in hammerheads direction*
Its an awesome game and he has nothing to lose by using a 14 day trial account, when i joined there was only a 3 day trial account available to me and i was ready to subscribe before it ended :)
He will enjoy the trial and i'm willing to bet he will pay the subs because eve is uber :)
My 2 pence
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:28:00 -
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Here are some of his answers he just sent to me :
"i pay my TV license cos my GF is too scared not to, i wouldnt pay it."
"beer, i pay less than 99p per can i would have to drink two cans less each week"
"i pay for my internet connection because it is a service i use every day"
and "omg im no noob to online games, ive pld c-s since 1.3!"
I am at a loss on how to convice him and even if it CAN be done! 
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Binary Mind
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:32:00 -
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you shouldn't convince someone to play Eve, rather he likes it or he doesn't.
*cough*let him play SWG for a month, then he'll beg you to play Eve with him*cough*
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy
and "omg im no noob to online games, ive pld c-s since 1.3!"
Hardly a valid online game to compare eve to, FPS games have no cost because the creator of the game doesn't have to provide you servers, granted some do but could you imagine the cost if the only servers were officially hosted ones, they would charge you for using tham and the same applies to eve.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy
"i pay my TV license cos my GF is too scared not to, i wouldnt pay it."
Sure sure...
Originally by: Wizzkidy
"beer, i pay less than 99p per can i would have to drink two cans less each week"
Tell him to drink a real beer.
Originally by: Wizzkidy
"i pay for my internet connection because it is a service i use every day"
Um. Eves not a service... but the daily bit still applies.
Originally by: Wizzkidy
and "omg im no noob to online games, ive pld c-s since 1.3!"
Hah. If he's comparing Eve to CS, then yes, he is a n00b. A complete and utter n00b!
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:40:00 -
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Another small answer from himself
"i pay for games, i only object to repeatedly paying each and every month
i would happily pay ú50 get a cd in a case and a manual
then play with my cdkey whenever i want"
The thing is he is stubborn.....as I said before I KNOW he would like the game but yet he is still will not pay for it even tho he would probably get hours and hours of fun gameplay from it, it makes little sence to me.
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Four Q
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Four Q on 01/12/2005 17:01:15
Problem; Your friend is a cheap git.
Solution; There is none, his penny pinching ways will never change, and you know this.
Eve is not for everyone, and I think the monthy subscription helps to keep hooligans, griefers, PK'ers, and other un-wanted players away. In the process, it seems clear that CCP discriminates aginst poor people, Scotsmen, and console owners.
Cheers, and good luck with your friend.
Diclaimer; at least half this post is in jest.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.12.01 17:06:00 -
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My best mate was exactly the same at the start.
I told him about this amazing game I was playing, but he couldn't understand why anyone would pay for it every month?!?!
Took a while, but eventually he signed up for a trial account.
1 day into the trial account, he had signed up for a further 6 months. He now has 2 accounts and curses me for not forcing him into playing earlier as he thinks of all the training time he missed by not starting when I told him too 
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Amira Silvermist
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Posted - 2005.12.01 17:17:00 -
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Ok try that one:
Look how much he spend on the last 2-4 singleplayer games and take a look how much time is usually needed to complete them. (or ask your friend)
Then Calculate "Money" / "Hours" and multiply that by the rough amount you spend on EVE.
If he is more than just a casual gamer (and a cheapskate ;) he will see that you safe ALOT of money on other games with EVE.
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Good luck!
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O'Sirius
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Posted - 2005.12.01 17:30:00 -
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I don't get your friend. He's willing to spend $50 on some game that has 30 hours of playtime and isn't willing to pay $15 per month for a game that could theoretically be played indefinetly.
Sure I guess there are a couple of online games that don't require monthly subscriptions. BattleField 2, Counter Strike, Diablo II, Star Craft, Guild Wars are all decent multiplayer games, but they are not updated as often and their content does not increase with time, meaning that you will run out of things to do at some point. Most good multiplayer games that do not require a subscription are either Strategy games or FPS. For an RPG it really makes sense to create a game where the upper limits of player character's power are increased every year or so, and new content is added all the time. This way a player constantly has new goals to fulfill.
Granted some companies( *cough*Sony Online Entertainment*cough* ) take this a little too far by popping out a $30 Expansion every 6 months that players HAVE to buy or be stuck with a weaker character then everybody and by increasing monthly fee due to provide "better Customer Service" when their Customer Service is actually degrading in quality. But hey, most people were still willing to endure all that. I played damned EverQuest for 5 years of my life. Sure it wasn't very productive, but I allways had something to do when I came home. And if I tried to never be bored like that by any other way I would have had to spend much more then $15 a month.
Since your friend allready has a girlfriend however I would actually advise against playing any MMORGs however. Girlfriends and wives tend to get in the way of logging on and spending 6 hours helping your guild/corp/friends every day.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.12.01 18:26:00 -
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EVE is not a game (yes k it is to some extend, but..), it is a virtual reality universe where you are represented by you avatar and ship.
A game is something you play to the end, finish and throw away in a corner asking your self why you paid 50$ for this short entertainment. Sure you can pick it up from the corner and finish the game again, it will be almost the same and nothing new will be added to your gaming experience, hence vastly reducing the entertaining value after finishing it. It is called the repeatablity value in a game, though some games might have a higher value, they are all doomed by the same end.
In EVE u have many tools with which you can achieve your virtual goals within this virtual universe. In a game the goals are more or less already set you might take alternate paths to reach it but its all the same in the end.
For a game, you pay to get the product (and its hardly gonna be different in 2 years), for EVE you pay for the service you get (which is being adjusted frequently and constantly evolves).
Btw dont get me wrong but your friend IS a n00b, counter strike is a multiplayer game NOT an online game like EVE.
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Thomus
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Posted - 2005.12.01 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy
"it will cause all games to have no future as everyone will follow suit, If I subscribe then I'm no better and will cause all other game companys to follow suit and charge monthly"
tell him that if everyone joins EVE with this idea, and other companies then start to follow suit, it doesn't matter. EVE will be the only game ur friend, and people like him, will play. So the other companies will fail miserably at folloing suit :-) EVE 4tw!
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Riddeck
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Posted - 2005.12.01 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Riddeck
Movie with a date: 14.00 bucks to enter and about 20.00 to 30.00 bucks on refreshments, popcorn and snacks (depends on how much your date eats) 34.00 to 44.00
Dinner, Movie with your date: 50.00 to 60.00 bucks for dinner (plus tip) *for movie prices and cost look above*
This one night of entertainment would cost you almost 100 bucks.
ah, but eve wont get you sex for the 15 a month...will it?
Dont have to worry about that if you are married,
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Riddeck
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Posted - 2005.12.01 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy
Another small answer from himself
"i pay for games, i only object to repeatedly paying each and every month
i would happily pay ú50 get a cd in a case and a manual
then play with my cdkey whenever i want"
The thing is he is stubborn.....as I said before I KNOW he would like the game but yet he is still will not pay for it even tho he would probably get hours and hours of fun gameplay from it, it makes little sence to me.
This is what you do.
Get him to sign up with the trail, but tell him you will pay for one month of play time on his account.
If he enjoys it, then he has to start paying
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2005.12.01 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Riddeck
This is what you do.
Get him to sign up with the trail, but tell him you will pay for one month of play time on his account.
If he enjoys it, then he has to start paying
Ah but he has a answer for that  - "If you pay for me it makes no odds because your still supporting monthly pay games"
I can't win I tell ya!
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Hilabana
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Posted - 2005.12.01 19:19:00 -
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well the real fact is more and more MMO are going free to play now days do to there ads and invester support they have.
with eve the players seem to be there only money support base.
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Alerce
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Posted - 2005.12.01 19:46:00 -
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price of a GAME pc: 2000 dollar, life expancy around 3 years.
Monthly cost then 55 dollar.
Electricity for just 1 pc is around 20 a 30 dollar a month.
Internet costs around 20 a 60 dollar a month.
Cost of 1 mmo paid per year around 100 to 140 dollar. Paying per month is plain silly and only extra costly. Lets assume 12 dollar a month.
Price of 1 single game, that has no MASSIVE multiplayer options, that is often very vulnerable for any form of cheating, that has no economy whatsover mostly is around 40 a 50 dollar a piece.
Average gamer, that does NOT play mmog mostly buys 4 more games each year then an mmog player. Average cost a month 10 dollar.
So mmo player pays each month about 112 dollar totally on his gaming, the non mmo player pays like 110 dollar each month.
Oh boy 2 dollar :P
Or is he one of those players, that is downloading illegally games, which is basically the only way, that makes playing non-mmo games cheaper then mmo games :P
Anyway, just saying: you get a lot extra with an mmo, which u can NEVER find in box games and if u add all the costs of playing, the difference is VERY small.
Sure if your dad buys your pc, then the situation is different :P
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