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nooooby	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:45:00 - [1] Edited by: nooooby on 01/12/2005 15:54:00 I have tried to make this post as nuetral as possible, and may update it if pertinent facts surface and it seems useful, not just a flame-thread. ASCN and G both have different versions of why G invaded Feythabolis. ASCN says that it was a cowardly move since G were set to positive standing and had travel rights and G says they did so as a pre-emptive strike. It does not matter since it is done. What matters is what has occurred since then. G had a station they took (rather quickly) from SA that was only 2 jumps from a core ASCN system, AZN-D2. This station was heavily stocked and supplied for the invasion, and aptly named "Spearhead". However, apart from the initial invasion and a totally lagged out fleet battle (both sides admit it was impossible to tell who would have won with the multi-minute lag), G has not seemed to make any progress. G claims they are winning, as they are killing many more ships, ASCN says they are winning because they have not lost any space. For weeks the stalemate has continued, almost exclusively in the AZN system. Then yesterday, G made an interesting move. Contrary to all of their claims of military dominance, and being a PvP alliance, they used the controvertial POS-rush tactic. In an impressive display of logistics, G deployed 35 small POS in AZN. ASCN proceeded to drop the POS into reinforced mode and a large fleet battle ensued. Two ISD reporters were on hand to witness and verify the conflict. From my interviews on the scene both agreed it was the first fleet battle with minimum lag. It was a hard-fought battle and raged for over an hour with fairly even numbers. At the end of the battle ASCN held the field and collected loot. Supposedly, at least 35 G Battleships were destroyed, ASCN losses unknown (can someone from these alliances verify?). But the very interesting thing is that ASCN then continued dropping POS into reinforced mode, and if you look at the map you will see that in AZN, ASCN is the sovereign. So, you decide, did G win or lose? You may make speculation about the war and progress (or lack therof) to date, but please do not bring up topics which are already heavily covered in other threads.
Dust Angel	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:46:00 - [2] Hi alt!
Francesca Dell'Agio	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:48:00 - [3] Hi alt!
Norman B	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:50:00 - [4] Hi alt!
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:51:00 - [5] sig. .... ps. POST WITH YOUR MAIN
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:51:00 - [6] zOMG ALT SPAM! ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
DeMoN KinG	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:52:00 - [7] My alt is t3h ub3r hi btw comrades
Jin'Roh	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:52:00 - [8] hi alt and your number are wrong. jin
Norman B	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:53:00 - [9] While I am here can I just say hello to my mom. Hi Mom Thanks.
Taurequis	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:53:00 - [10] Bonjour Alt,
Cdr Foxbat	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:54:00 - [11] Edited by: Cdr Foxbat on 01/12/2005 15:54:03 Hello alt - were you in the shuttle 380km away - or are you just too cowardly to admit to being on one of the sides........ Edit: Removed sensible content - alts dont deserve it. Ping Originally by: Blind Watchmaker Originally by: Gong Guess Goliaths last words were: 'That was lame !' Actually they were "OMG lag!"
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:54:00 - [12] "From my interviews on the scene both agreed it was the first fleet battle with minimum lag. It was a hard-fought battle and raged for over an hour with fairly even numbers." Oohhhh... there's a node in EVE that's strong enough to allow for a lag-less fleet battles... ... the last in AZN is a stinky egg \o/ :s
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:55:00 - [13] I found it an interesting post - can we get anything 'official'? ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Tamneah	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:55:00 - [14] Hello I am an alt too o/
EB Xile	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:58:00 - [15] Edited by: EB Xile on 01/12/2005 15:59:46 Originally by: j0sephine [i] the last in AZN is a stinky egg \o/ :s LOL, what the heck does that mean?? I was there for the whole thing and must admit it was a good fight. Props to Femme Extrema, the uber-jamming scorp pilot. Props to the G guys who stayed up late to fight for their zergPOS. First truly enjoyable fleet battle in awhile because we were actually allowed to fight each other and not the lag. I do not know the numbers.
oidalia	Posted - 2005.12.01 15:59:00 - [16] Edited by: oidalia on 01/12/2005 15:59:18 Originally by: Avon I found it an interesting post - can we get anything 'official'? afaik G was outnumbered and ASCN even had 4 dreads in the battle and G still had a 2:1 kill/lose ratio (and this happened all in the middle of the night for euro ppl). Btw sov doesnt change after one DT.
Risiru	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:02:00 - [17] Edited by: Risiru on 01/12/2005 16:02:15 Well not commenting on your "facts" let's just say they are funky :). Seems like some ASCN (sorry Gob that I assume it's an ASCN alt) still don't get the strategie involved. Well thats awesome and probably leads to more fun for us :) I can only comment for myself but I don't regret a little bit that I only got 3 and ahalf hours sleep last night and I sure my mates fell the same way (and I know at least some ASCN think it was awesome last night too). I already envy them for tonight because I won't be able to make it. PS: I have 10 gb of fraps so expect a movie but it will take a while.
Netto	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:06:00 - [18] Originally by: oidalia Edited by: oidalia on 01/12/2005 15:59:18 Originally by: Avon I found it an interesting post - can we get anything 'official'? afaik G was outnumbered and ASCN even had 4 dreads in the battle and G still had a 2:1 kill/lose ratio (and this happened all in the middle of the night for euro ppl). Btw sov doesnt change after one DT. So you're saying ASCN brought out dreads in the fleet battle? I haven't looked at the numbers and I probably won't as I don't really care, but the 4 dread thing is pretty hysterical. All in all, was a fun night and I really think that's what is most important. I think a few on both sides tend to lose site on that from time to time but it can only be expected. I only wish I could be at home right now and not here, being a forum ****, at work. Netto
arjun	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:07:00 - [19] Edited by: arjun on 01/12/2005 16:08:14 for me it was the best battle ever in my more than 2 jears of eve time. thanx to all involved. edit for netto: there were 1 moros, 2 revelation and 1 nagelfar in the battle for at least 30 minutes.
Deidranna	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:07:00 - [20] Edited by: Deidranna on 01/12/2005 16:10:20 ah well... hi alt... but... one of the best fight ever, if not the best uzuz lots of reds, few blues 3 dreads ~160 ships destroyed 3+ hours shooting shooting shooting and damn late -.- kudos to all involved deidranna
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:09:00 - [21] "LOL, what the heck does that mean??" Sorry, 'tis just when i read "fleet battle and there was hardly any lag", got this mental image of PvPers from all over EVE and every possible alliance rushing to the said system, so they can finally experience the same thing... ^^; (and obviously lagging the heck out of it in the end, but that's another story...
raistalin	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:11:00 - [22] Originally by: oidalia Edited by: oidalia on 01/12/2005 15:59:18 Originally by: Avon I found it an interesting post - can we get anything 'official'? Btw sov doesnt change after one DT. Exactly. Alty should note this.
Shimpu	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:11:00 - [23] Edited by: Shimpu on 01/12/2005 16:12:48 I was there for 30 minutes too last night. All I have seen in AZN was a safespotted ASCN fleet, G's fleet camping a gate and ASCN writing "rabble! rabble!" in local... Then two ISD peeps came into the system and ASCN started to behave ^^ EDIT: Looks like I missed the best part :/
Deidranna	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Shimpu I was there for 30 minutes too last night. All I have seen in AZN was a safespotted ASCN fleet, G's fleet camping a gate with a bigger fleet and ASCN writing "rabble! rabble!" in local... Then two ISD peeps came into the system and ASCN started to behave ^^ they rabble rabble a lot -.- was not nice deidranna
Gierling	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:15:00 - [25] Just woke up Uh I was there last night and I can verify that htere was a fleet battle, heavy losses where sustain on both sides... MUCH fun was had on both sides (at least according to the OMG BEST FLEET BATTLE IVE EVER BEEN IN chat in local). The important thing is that I got in a fleet battle and a lot of us had a lot of fun. Oh and can we lock this post. snip That's not very appropriate. - Teblin
Aturo Rejin	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:17:00 - [26] /me wonders whos alt it is this time... anyway, nice fight with very little lag (atleast for me), unfortunately someone in the [G] fleet decided to make me primary after like 5-10mins, so I cannot say I had that much fun I was able to get 6 hours sleep tho instead of staying longer for fight/POS pounding. Will there be more "RABBLE" in local tonight?
Fitz Chivalry	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:17:00 - [27] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 01/12/2005 16:19:14 I couldnt believe it, the first time in months I decide to use a BS rather than a ceptor, cruiser or AF and I spend about 1.5 hours getting from 68ft to AZN, spent another 1.5 hours in AZN waiting for something to happen, spent an hour shooting a POS, sat at the TRO gate wiating for G to engage, didnt look like it was going to happen so finally gave up about 00.30am and left, get back to 68ft and dock and it all kicks off. I hope we did use the Dreads in the fleet battle that would be cool - I would much rather have a dread on my deathmail than the usual collection of ceptors or frigates that is all you ever seem to get these days. Anyways, I look forward to shooting more of you later and please dont target me as my insurance has expired. With many thanks. Edit: The "rabble rabble" thing was to drown out all the pointless stuff that is always appearing in local from our guests like "lets log off half our fleet then you might engage us" that sort of thing - rather than reply in kind we thought we would just have a little fun with them. You will notice that we stopped rabbling and the G/IRON comments (I wouldnt go so far as to call it smack as it wasnt especially bad) stopped also so please present the whole picture mkay.
Alt Man	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:18:00 - [28] Hi Alt!!
reaTh	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:21:00 - [29] Edited by: reaTh on 01/12/2005 16:21:24 hi alt
slothe	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:24:00 - [30] interesting post even tho clearly ascn alt. as to your question who lost it seems that both sides lost something. but most importantly all sides are having fun and its that which matters.
David Corbett	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:28:00 - [31] Quick, altman - to the altmobile! Na na na na na na na na na NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA ALT-MAN, ALT-MAN! Hi, alt. Good post - but there's one problem with it... it's not posted by a main :( The filesize of your signature is too big, maximum filesize is 24000bytes - Eshtir ([email protected]) Alas! My sig was too big.
Josclyn Verreuil	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:32:00 - [32] I hate alts :( ~Clan Verreuil
qtip	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:41:00 - [33] So who got owned then?
Drakma	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:49:00 - [34] Originally by: qtip So who got owned then? I did. I warped my poor apoc into the middle of battle. 30 seconds later I loaded in a pod :(
raistalin	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:49:00 - [35] Originally by: qtip So who got owned then? No one, really. Tons of losses on both sides altho I wasn't there. G is trying to POS the system into soverignty.
Freeky Frenchy	Posted - 2005.12.01 16:54:00 - [36] Alts of Eve unite Dont be lame post with your alt not with your main
Sku1ly	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:00:00 - [37] Hi Alt!
Thrak	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:00:00 - [38] alty alty alt! alt. alt.
Sorja	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:30:00 - [39] Awesome ASCN post, I sincerely hope the mods do not lock this fast. That is professional journalism, facts are accurate and precise, exactly what the community needs (I mean, the people who are not on the battlefield, those not needing this kind of insightfull information). /me claps and continues repackaging stuff to move out ____________________________________ Let's make the MK2 Moa a ship worth flying.
Darko1107	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:31:00 - [40] Edited by: Darko1107 on 01/12/2005 17:31:03 IRON KILLED 600 DREADS and 500 BS's OF ASCN AND ARE ABOUT TO TAKE ALL OF THIER SPACE WITH HACS ONLY. EDIT: ** ** this isnt my alt.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Darko1107 Edited by: Darko1107 on 01/12/2005 17:31:03 IRON KILLED 600 DREADS and 500 BS's OF ASCN AND ARE ABOUT TO TAKE ALL OF THIER SPACE WITH HACS ONLY. EDIT: ** this isnt my alt. forgot to put your BE alt active, darko? j/k ------------------- Celestial Horizon*: we go zerg on you*
SengH	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:34:00 - [42] you guys sound like your calling cats....
kunni ni	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:37:00 - [43] Wow that sounds so fun hopefully someday this alt can find a loving home!
MacDuncan	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Netto So you're saying ASCN brought out dreads in the fleet battle? Just check your KB if it's back again...all 4 dreads managed it onto my killmail... But nevertheless: Absolutly fun fight!!! Sadly i had to quiet within due to the nighttime. --
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:43:00 - [45] Bah I missed the fleet battle Anyway, ALTs ftl, stop posting flamebaits whoever u are remember posting with alt may lead to hair loss and severe diarrea. - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:46:00 - [46] This thread would have been better if it contained facts to back-up or counter the OP. All these alt flames, whilst expected, do nothing to enlighten us. Actually, I wonder if all the alt flames are there to hide something... ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Nepereta	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:47:00 - [47] It was an excellent battle! Personally the best ever since my first fleet battle between KNONI and OC ( which I liked slightly more because it was my first time ) the thing was that lag was acceptable perhaps 2-3 seconds? There where huge numbers of ships over a 100 and heres the thing: both sides kept resupplying. So the reality was that the battle actually was about 1 hour. I only survived about 30 mins of it though ( I actually warped in and out about 6-8 times or so). Sweet fight though, hope to do it again tonite. Everyone was happy lots of 'gf!' in local.
Baun	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:49:00 - [48] To the idiot mobile! The Enemy's Gate is Down
Netto	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:51:00 - [49] Originally by: MacDuncan Originally by: Netto So you're saying ASCN brought out dreads in the fleet battle? Just check your KB if it's back again...all 4 dreads managed it onto my killmail... But nevertheless: Absolutly fun fight!!! Sadly i had to quiet within due to the nighttime. Meh, still down it seems. I find it interesting dreads were involved considering their past performance in fleet battles but hey, sounds like they did okay :). Netto
Raid	Posted - 2005.12.01 17:59:00 - [50] 4 dreads is better than 1... or 2 :) -----------------------
Dust Angel	Posted - 2005.12.01 18:04:00 - [51] Holy crap i started a lot of hi alt spam. You ppl are sheep if your looking to me to make good quips.
vladdy2	Posted - 2005.12.01 18:04:00 - [52] To be honest, afaik IRON made it late to the party as we were "otherwise engaged" so it was G vs ASCN. thats it thats all.
Netto	Posted - 2005.12.01 18:06:00 - [53] Originally by: Avon This thread would have been better if it contained facts to back-up or counter the OP. All these alt flames, whilst expected, do nothing to enlighten us. Actually, I wonder if all the alt flames are there to hide something... Facts eh? Well, from what I can gather, the fleet battle were one of those, we gave as good as we got, sorta things, but as the lame alt said, we held the field. Also heard something about a 60+ fleet coming to reinforce G, but not really sure what happened with that. We put, I believe, 14 POS into reinforced mode last night, managed to destroy at least one. No current reports on what's goin on but I imagine G are starting to log in en masse, since it 7pm in Berlin. This is going to be one active weekend, me thinks. Which just sorta figures, considering the obscene amount of crap I have to do this weekend. bleh! Netto
nooooby	Posted - 2005.12.01 18:17:00 - [54] It is sad that people jump to the conclusion that I represent one side or the other because of the title. Have we gone so far down the road of flaming that we cannot explore a topic and state our opinion, even if we are not in some mighty alliance? Although plenty of people had disparaging remarks or questioned my facts, no one offered any additional numbers. Yes, please lock this post, as no one seems to want to actually use their brain matter or their cajones to answer the question of "Who is winning?"
Needer	Posted - 2005.12.01 18:27:00 - [55] Post with your main....and.... ....you edited your Headline from "IS G loosing?" to a much more neutral version. If you want to appear objektive, remember these two things in the future G-Lead
k starwind	Posted - 2005.12.01 19:01:00 - [56] dam you Femme Extrema, you could have at least let me fire a shot before jamming me out in that scorp of yours. i warped in 17 times and ended up jammed 17 times but it was all in the name of fun
raistalin	Posted - 2005.12.01 19:06:00 - [57] Originally by: k starwind dam you Femme Extrema, you could have at least let me fire a shot before jamming me out in that scorp of yours. i warped in 17 times and ended up jammed 17 times but it was all in the name of fun Just about every ship of theirs above cruiser level has a jammer on it, or so it seems. Given the way CCP made EW, there ya go. GG CCP for allowing my rupture to use one (1) multispec jammer to jam a dread.
Imran	Posted - 2005.12.01 20:03:00 - [58] Originally by: k starwind Edited by: k starwind on 01/12/2005 19:14:32 dam you Femme Extrema, you could have at least let me fire a shot before jamming me out in that scorp of yours. i warped in 17 times and ended up jammed 17 times but it was all in the name of fun P.S. post with you main zomg K! is that the real you :( or did he sell his account :((
Gierling	Posted - 2005.12.01 20:06:00 - [59] Essentially, the action was comprised of three distinct "engagements". Each Engagement involved reinforcements and changes to the battle order, lag got progressively worse as lootcans/drones started piling up. Many ships were destroyed, many were removed from battle with heavy structure damage. The final engagement reached a point where it was a small proportion (Less then a quarter) of the original forces invested slugging it out with each other and I am quite certain that had not the dreadnaughts been in the area to reinforce the battle would have proceeded until both sides were annihilated. It was a horrific battle with dramatic turns and manuevering, and I'm incredibelly happy that I participated (and performed modestly well) in it. Well played and well fought. snip That's not very appropriate. - Teblin
Deidranna	Posted - 2005.12.01 20:34:00 - [60] Edited by: Deidranna on 01/12/2005 20:34:35 wrong button
Buddrow	Posted - 2005.12.01 20:45:00 - [61] all that needs to be said Till the wheels fall off ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.12.01 20:53:00 - [62] Originally by: Buddrow all that needs to be said Till the wheels fall off banner kinda screws the forum alignment, budd ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
Zardock	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:01:00 - [63] Yay... Another thread bound to turn to ****.
Darko1107	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:11:00 - [64] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Buddrow all that needs to be said Till the wheels fall off banner kinda screws the forum alignment, budd GOD you complain about everything! At least he spelt everything right this time!
Hast	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:19:00 - [65] Edited by: Hast on 01/12/2005 21:19:41 anyone with Darko and Imran on the same side as them are sure to loose the war!
Darko1107	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:24:00 - [66] Originally by: Hast Edited by: Hast on 01/12/2005 21:19:41 anyone with Darko and Imran on the same side as them are sure to loose the war! Pff, your obviously just jealous your not SLIM like me, FATTY.
Lord Gunstar	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:26:00 - [67] well looks like G couldnt do it alone, so they decided to call for all of NBSI for HELP massive bloobing
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:28:00 - [68] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Hast Edited by: Hast on 01/12/2005 21:19:41 anyone with Darko and Imran on the same side as them are sure to loose the war! Pff, your obviously just jealous your not SLIM like me, FATTY. stfu nublo0815 and leave my hasty hast alonezOr! -G- Pink Power There is no South vs North dude. Get over it.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:29:00 - [69] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Buddrow http://www.battlestorm.com/iron_press.jpg all that needs to be said Till the wheels fall off banner kinda screws the forum alignment, budd GOD you complain about everything! At least he spelt everything right this time! i'm a nitpicker ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:34:00 - [70] Originally by: Lord Gunstar well looks like G couldnt do it alone, so they decided to call for all of NBSI for HELP massive bloobing you almost know what your talking about, go troll elsewhere til you get the facts.
Darko1107	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:44:00 - [71] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Hast Edited by: Hast on 01/12/2005 21:19:41 anyone with Darko and Imran on the same side as them are sure to loose the war! Pff, your obviously just jealous your not SLIM like me, FATTY. stfu nublo0815 and leave my hasty hast alonezOr! :(, i knew u had a fat fetish
Echo147	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:56:00 - [72] TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO! hides
Azeroth Uluntil	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:57:00 - [73] Originally by: Lord Gunstar well looks like G couldnt do it alone, so they decided to call for all of NBSI for HELP massive bloobing ... Moron... Please, get facts straight before posting... We're(IRON) always fashionably late... or just plain late... :-)
Metal Dude	Posted - 2005.12.01 21:58:00 - [74] Edited by: Metal Dude on 01/12/2005 21:59:33 Whoever puts up more POSes before down time wins. What a great PVP game EVE turned out to be. Everybody, hurry up and get your small pos BPO. ThatÆs the WIN button in EVE now. No need to train up any fighting skills, only anchoring. What a joke. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Azeroth Uluntil	Posted - 2005.12.01 22:03:00 - [75] Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 01/12/2005 21:59:33 Whoever puts up more POSes before down time wins. What a great PVP game EVE turned out to be. Everybody, hurry up and get your small pos BPO. ThatÆs the WIN button in EVE now. No need to train up any fighting skills, only anchoring. What a joke. It's unfortunately true how that works, but I do believe that is changing in RMR... Isn't that how Red Alliance won the pos war against the 5? Not meaning to flame or anything, just wondering as I've heard very little other than bragging about who won what...
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.12.01 22:09:00 - [76] Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 01/12/2005 21:59:33 Whoever puts up more POSes before down time wins. What a great PVP game EVE turned out to be. Everybody, hurry up and get your small pos BPO. ThatÆs the WIN button in EVE now. No need to train up any fighting skills, only anchoring. What a joke. hopefully it will end with RMR ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
Nepereta	Posted - 2005.12.01 22:48:00 - [77] Edited by: Nepereta on 01/12/2005 22:49:38 Originally by: Baun To the idiot mobile! you give me grief for giving props to my allies, props to the fight and props to my enemy? ok then props to the neutral w00t!
Netto	Posted - 2005.12.01 22:51:00 - [78] Originally by: Nepereta Edited by: Nepereta on 01/12/2005 22:49:38 Originally by: Baun To the idiot mobile! you give me grief for giving props to my allies, props to the fight and props to my enemy? ok then props to the neutral w00t! It's just Baun, he's harmless . Netto
Nepereta	Posted - 2005.12.01 22:56:00 - [79] ok dude I'd just like to give props to you all, EVE is a beatuifull game I done everything now to lvl 5 I can't go into details about the fKed up sT but yeah I done everything now. I lub you guys k thnx! will be doing more in the future!
Carth Jared	Posted - 2005.12.01 23:01:00 - [80] Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 01/12/2005 21:59:33 Whoever puts up more POSes before down time wins. What a great PVP game EVE turned out to be. Everybody, hurry up and get your small pos BPO. ThatÆs the WIN button in EVE now. No need to train up any fighting skills, only anchoring. What a joke. It's unfortunately true how that works, but I do believe that is changing in RMR... Isn't that how Red Alliance won the pos war against the 5? Not meaning to flame or anything, just wondering as I've heard very little other than bragging about who won what... RA had the stamina in that "fight". You could say they had nothing to loose and everything to gain :) Anyway yea thats pretty much how it went down. ATUK \| The 5
memex	Posted - 2005.12.01 23:08:00 - [81] i hope future generations puzzle over this message ------------------ RDA Appreciation Society
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.12.01 23:15:00 - [82] Originally by: Echo147 TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO! Pwnt. ---------- Originally by: riker to thebold first post w/ your main. Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.12.01 23:42:00 - [83] Originally by: Netto Originally by: Nepereta Edited by: Nepereta on 01/12/2005 22:49:38 Originally by: Baun To the idiot mobile! you give me grief for giving props to my allies, props to the fight and props to my enemy? ok then props to the neutral w00t! It's just Baun, he's harmless . Netto leave Baun alone hes special - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Zidock	Posted - 2005.12.01 23:55:00 - [84] Wow someone must of invited the Mods to a buy one get one free drink special at the pub tonight
BlackSabbath	Posted - 2005.12.02 00:18:00 - [85] long fight? is an understatement. i was on my 3rd BS when it ended. as far as rmr, its gona be the same thing only now with large tower ================================ "i am only here to **** you off"
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.12.02 00:58:00 - [86] Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 01/12/2005 21:59:33 Whoever puts up more POSes before down time wins. What a great PVP game EVE turned out to be. Everybody, hurry up and get your small pos BPO. ThatÆs the WIN button in EVE now. No need to train up any fighting skills, only anchoring. What a joke. It's unfortunately true how that works, but I do believe that is changing in RMR... Isn't that how Red Alliance won the pos war against the 5? Not meaning to flame or anything, just wondering as I've heard very little other than bragging about who won what... So you KNOW it's lame, yet you're not above doing it yourselves? /boggle
pringprang	Posted - 2005.12.02 02:04:00 - [87] Edited by: pringprang on 02/12/2005 02:06:19 Uni, Femme Extrema, and whoever the Celestis pilot was... I hate you :p Jamming me ftl. This is my perspective. It is biased. I've tried to be fair but I know we're the good guys just like you know you are the good guys. Try to respect that before you start flaming my post. ------------------------ I had a great time last night. I was there from the first killmail to the last and I agree that it was a three part engagement. The fight came very quickly, no waiting for one side or the other to engage while sitting two systems away. ASCN was shooting POSes and got to the gate 5 or 10 minutes before G managed to get there. Initially G warped/jumped in on us from two directions. The first engagement was the most violent but also the shortest (10 mins or so). Lots of explosions on both sides, lots of BSes going down. G warped off to regroup their two groups and rearm their pilots who lost ships (at POSes I assume). They jumped back on to the gate very quickly and the second engagement commenced. This was the longest phase of the fight (30 minutes or so). I think ASCN had more BS left by this point so we had the firepower advantage but G had several very good jamming pilots sitting outside of range. We sort of negated each other. Because this engagement lasted a long time the fleets got strung out. People started shooting the support if they could not target the primaries. This meant that most pilots were able to warp out and back in. Finally both fleets only had about 10-15 BS left at the gate and they were all 130km+ from each other so ASCN warped out. While G were posting GF in local (it seemed like they thought it was over) we jumped back in on them closer to their fleet for the third engagement. (10 minutes fighting, 10 minutes poking at each other from 150km). By this time BSes were limited on both sides. G had several scorps making many ASCN ships useless. (I was consitently jammed for about 25 minutes in the second half of the fight, despite my warp outs and warp ins ) The support had continued to arrive for ASCN though and were scoring tackles. Our dreadnought pilots could not be restrained any longer either so they came in and helped where they could. I didn't think they had much of an effect except to absorb fire, only one dread pilot reported scoring a hit on a BS and it was a single hit. A G member above said that 4 dreads were on his deathmail though so perhaps thats a better indicator. ASCN held the gate at the end of the fight but there were lots of cans from both sides. Dunno anything about numbers. Both sides had a ton of fun, many of us felt it was the best fleet fight we'd been in for months. I call that a win _____________________ We are not a mining corp. We are not a pvp corp. We are a 0.0 corp. CoRM is recruiting here
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.02 02:28:00 - [88] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Hast Edited by: Hast on 01/12/2005 21:19:41 anyone with Darko and Imran on the same side as them are sure to loose the war! Pff, your obviously just jealous your not SLIM like me, FATTY. stfu nublo0815 and leave my hasty hast alonezOr! i thought it was darko90210?
Raptorius	Posted - 2005.12.03 02:26:00 - [89] I was there and it was an awesome fight for Sure And about this no lag..... It was ok until u tried to warp back in with a different ship... then laaaggg and pop your dead... Go get another inexpensive tackler and do again... same result... Was alot of Fun and way better that the last lagfest But i wouldn't say there was no lag :/
Haulsalot	Posted - 2005.12.03 02:33:00 - [90] Originally by: Buddrow all that needs to be said Till the wheels fall off from the forum rules for those that can't get a clue: #3 Signature graphics are permitted, but must follow these guidelines: Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to EVE Online. All content must be in good taste. The size limits for signature graphics are as follows: * Maximum height: 120 pixels * Maximum width: 400 pixels * Maximum file size: 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) Only one image is allowed to be used in the signature. Images other than the signature image are not allowed to be posted on the forums.
Baun	Posted - 2005.12.03 02:41:00 - [91] Edited by: Baun on 03/12/2005 02:42:39 Originally by: Nepereta Edited by: Nepereta on 01/12/2005 22:49:38 Originally by: Baun To the idiot mobile! you give me grief for giving props to my allies, props to the fight and props to my enemy? ok then props to the neutral w00t! I guess the op is your alt then? I am giving whoever the alt was grief for making a post that feins to be supportive of both sides when it, give G's losses and not ASCN's losses and begs the same question that so many topics before it have: "Even though G is killing us in much higher numbers we aren't losing because we still have sovereignty" All this is a post that attempts to look magnanimous, while being no different from all of the other insecure propaganda threads before it. The Enemy's Gate is Down
fire 59	Posted - 2005.12.03 14:16:00 - [92] Refering to them winning or losing makes sense because they are the attacking force, makes sense i think
fire 59	Posted - 2005.12.03 14:16:00 - [93] Refering to them winning or losing makes sense because they are the attacking force, makes sense i think
MOS DEF	Posted - 2005.12.03 16:23:00 - [94] Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 01/12/2005 21:59:33 Whoever puts up more POSes before down time wins. What a great PVP game EVE turned out to be. Everybody, hurry up and get your small pos BPO. ThatÆs the WIN button in EVE now. No need to train up any fighting skills, only anchoring. What a joke. You are rEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
MOS DEF	Posted - 2005.12.03 16:23:00 - [95] Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 01/12/2005 21:59:33 Whoever puts up more POSes before down time wins. What a great PVP game EVE turned out to be. Everybody, hurry up and get your small pos BPO. ThatÆs the WIN button in EVE now. No need to train up any fighting skills, only anchoring. What a joke. You are right that it is very very lame. It didn't work out for them this time though. Their small POS's all went boom with a pretty nice explosionn before they could harm our sovereignity. The sadest moment was them smacking us for killing the POS though.
CYVOK	Posted - 2005.12.03 19:57:00 - [96] I wont comment about the ingame but both sides are definatly loosing the Forum war. WTB: New roles for Allaince members "can post forum" & Cannot post forums", lol. While G and friends are still the undisputed chanpions of forum smack and propaganda, it appears that ASCN is learning from their example very fast! Soon the student will be the master, muahahahahaha.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:06:00 - [97] It's a shame all the old hands here cant look past the "omg what are the implications" and comment on the content rather than who made the post.
black leach	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:14:00 - [98] wehey, alts, ;-)
Roxanna Kell	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:14:00 - [99] hello alt how is it going? www.eve-defence.com
sidthesexist	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:32:00 - [100] Originally by: CYVOK I wont comment about the ingame but both sides are definatly loosing the Forum war. WTB: New roles for Allaince members "can post forum" & Cannot post forums", lol. While G and friends are still the undisputed chanpions of forum smack and propaganda, it appears that ASCN is learning from their example very fast! Soon the student will be the master, muahahahahaha. So very blind. Go call for more help. ___________ Drones of Annihilation I.R.O.N
Death Merchant	Posted - 2005.12.04 01:01:00 - [101] Remember all the nice post we were exchanging about 2 or so months ago... See what happens when egos get involved? Oh well... time will tell.
fire 59	Posted - 2005.12.04 02:11:00 - [102] Whos an alt
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.12.04 03:01:00 - [103] Originally by: sidthesexist Originally by: CYVOK I wont comment about the ingame but both sides are definatly loosing the Forum war. WTB: New roles for Allaince members "can post forum" & Cannot post forums", lol. While G and friends are still the undisputed chanpions of forum smack and propaganda, it appears that ASCN is learning from their example very fast! Soon the student will be the master, muahahahahaha. So very blind. Go call for more help. O RLY? ...thought it was one of the G leaders (your friends/companions in this war) that called for help first. Originally by: Death Merchant Remember all the nice post we were exchanging about 2 or so months ago... See what happens when egos get involved? Oh well... time will tell. tell me about it ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
BaD PaPPa	Posted - 2005.12.05 00:37:00 - [104] Intel has it that G has moved 6 dreads to thier outpost in the south. Guess the fleet blobs did not work or the pos wars so they have resorted to bring in the big guns. Is this a sign they are getting desprate or just a new tactic.
Dale Omen	Posted - 2005.12.05 00:45:00 - [105] HAHA BRING IT ON If they want to bring Dreads to the table, let them. Lets have a nice big fleet battle, lots of dreas, ships ect. And Crash the node for then they will HAVE to upgrade it...... No guts, No glory No Pain, no Gain. But at the end of the day... Pain is temporary. Glory is forever Who wants to be normal? At least if your evil God remembers your name
Gierling	Posted - 2005.12.05 01:27:00 - [106] That is an interesting development. Needless to say the stakes have just been raised. snip That's not very appropriate. - Teblin
slip66	Posted - 2005.12.05 01:47:00 - [107] Edited by: slip66 on 05/12/2005 01:48:07 Originally by: BaD PaPPa Intel has it that G has moved 6 dreads to thier outpost in the south. Guess the fleet blobs did not work or the pos wars so they have resorted to bring in the big guns. Is this a sign they are getting desprate or just a new tactic. we did kill a G enyo with one of those cynosural generators and other supplies for dread movement today in GW. So maybe some credence to this "rumor".
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2005.12.05 02:23:00 - [108] Originally by: BaD PaPPa Intel has it that G has moved 6 dreads to thier outpost in the south. Guess the fleet blobs did not work or the pos wars so they have resorted to bring in the big guns. Is this a sign they are getting desprate or just a new tactic. How the hell is bringing over 10 billion worth of ships down a sign of them getting "desprate" STFU Alt. I hope its true and i can get my name on a dread kill mail but if it is true its hardly a sign of desperation. Is ASCN desperate because they used 4 dreads to blow up small POS's? Hardly. _______________________________________________ Originally by: Oveur To the nerfmobile!
Lorth	Posted - 2005.12.05 03:03:00 - [109] Well no matter the outcome of this conflict. I wish (for both sides) that its fun. And that it doesn't degrade into a POS war, trust me, it a horrible game expericance
Hoozin	Posted - 2005.12.05 07:11:00 - [110] Originally by: BaD PaPPa Intel has it that G has moved 6 dreads to thier outpost in the south. Guess the fleet blobs did not work or the pos wars so they have resorted to bring in the big guns. Is this a sign they are getting desprate or just a new tactic. I'm with Foomanshoo on this one. Committing 10 bil (give or take) to the campaign doesn't look too desperate to me... On that note ... ASCN had dreads in the fleet battle. Wonder how many weren't... --------------------------------- Hoozin ~ Flushing his chances at an ISD position one post at a time.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.12.05 08:31:00 - [111] Edited by: Seleene on 05/12/2005 08:34:26 G has moved at least six Dreads to C9N. ASCN has... "more" in their space. G is determined to make a point. ASCN is just as determined to make their own. At this point, I'd not place money on either side. It's truly one of the most interesting and intense campaigns ever seen in EVE. I will say this though: all this crap about them being desperate is just that: crap. It is actually beyond crap. It's lunacy. I hope the common ASCN member doesn't actually believe that G are 'desperate' or that their morale is low. If the ASCN leadership is feeding that to their members it's a mistake. Only one thing is certain: the AZN blobs are probably going to melt the servers before the week is out. - The REAL Eve Political Map!
ArcticFox	Posted - 2005.12.05 09:50:00 - [112] Edited by: ArcticFox on 05/12/2005 09:50:03 We do not simply lag the servers, we transcend them. Fleet battle results are now measured by having all our members and G's members post on the new 'cannot connect message' board. Whoever has less wins the battle. It makes things much simpler. ---------------------------------- "There's no +6 Sword of WTFPWN in Eve." - Er... Some person on the forum...
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.12.05 10:43:00 - [113] The only think G are "desperate" for is another monster battle with gazillions battleships. I hate those P.S.: Stop calling me primary or I will only fly ibisses :\ - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2005.12.05 10:52:00 - [114] Just like to take this opportunity, to remind peeps that KIA are still available for hire ;) xxx CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:03:00 - [115] heh @ Eddz Merc's for saaaaaaaaaale! Merc's for saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaale! gt'chem high class mercs while they's hot! Buff your fleet! Harrass your enemy! Hire 'em before your enemy does! You know it makes sense! Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:04:00 - [116] Quote: I will say this though: all this crap about them being desperate is just that: crap. It is actually beyond crap. It's lunacy. I hope the common ASCN member doesn't actually believe that G are 'desperate' or that their morale is low. If the ASCN leadership is feeding that to their members it's a mistake. Point taken. However on the other hand, this always never worked for me... G G/Iron G/Iron/Razor G/Iron/Razor/Insert_New_Bandwagon_Alliance_Here I've know there G have been trying to get in more and more people for this offensive. Yet, I've yet to see ASCN call up anyone.
Jodax	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:05:00 - [117] Originally by: KIAEddZ Just like to take this opportunity, to remind peeps that KIA are still available for hire ;) xxx I'll pay you 128 ISK to distract the G fleet by getting dressed in full drag, and putting on a show with the rest of the KIA boys...
Seleene	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:12:00 - [118] Originally by: KIAEddZ Just like to take this opportunity, to remind peeps that KIA are still available for hire ;) xxx KIA - You can count on them to give 110% to get the job done! Bastards... - The REAL Eve Political Map!
Kryztal	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:17:00 - [119] This thread is amusing
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:21:00 - [120] Originally by: Primer Xenius Quote: I will say this though: all this crap about them being desperate is just that: crap. It is actually beyond crap. It's lunacy. I hope the common ASCN member doesn't actually believe that G are 'desperate' or that their morale is low. If the ASCN leadership is feeding that to their members it's a mistake. Point taken. However on the other hand, this always never worked for me... G G/Iron G/Iron/Razor G/Iron/Razor/Insert_New_Bandwagon_Alliance_Here I've know there G have been trying to get in more and more people for this offensive. Yet, I've yet to see ASCN call up anyone. ahem From what I've seen G and IRON were in Feythabolis from the first day of their offensive, just on different timezones. I remember also seeing RAZOR members in local already ^^ This doesn't sound to me like if they were calling more alliances in o,o;; All those alliances got involved in this from day one. But heh, I could be mistaking ! Perhaps I'm blind Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:23:00 - [121] Originally by: Primer Xenius Quote: I will say this though: all this crap about them being desperate is just that: crap. It is actually beyond crap. It's lunacy. I hope the common ASCN member doesn't actually believe that G are 'desperate' or that their morale is low. If the ASCN leadership is feeding that to their members it's a mistake. Point taken. However on the other hand, this always never worked for me... G G/Iron G/Iron/Razor G/Iron/Razor/Insert_New_Bandwagon_Alliance_Here I've know there G have been trying to get in more and more people for this offensive. Yet, I've yet to see ASCN call up anyone. Iron and Razor were alredy with G when they came after us after invading Stain, and given the sporadical/gankish nature of the attacks by other alliances I doubt they were called by G for a coordinated attack they just bandwagoned (VC, NBSI, BE corp, Warmongers corp) - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:36:00 - [122] If you ever get to see the "Man behind the Avatar" vid, that my ex gf made recently, you'll know that your request for drag and dance, is hardly something thats impossible ;) God damn we are looking to slap someone, why is everyone doing "alright by themselves, thankyou" ;) xx CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
fire 59	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:59:00 - [123] OOC, is this the 1st time dreds have been deployed on this scale? Not a flame, troll or whatever, just interested
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:59:00 - [124] I don't think there's an alliance that could kick [ASCN] out of their regions. Fact is, some might claim they haven't got a good pvp base, but that's a misconception. Yeah, they have a huge industrial side, and maybe they are not the best pvpers out there, but they certainly are not bad. And with their gigantic industrial might backing them, well, it's unrealistic. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
WildCard	Posted - 2005.12.05 12:23:00 - [125] SIX G Dreads around AZN? All lies. -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
Budvar50	Posted - 2005.12.05 12:39:00 - [126] o noes!!!!!
BlackSabbath	Posted - 2005.12.05 12:45:00 - [127] Originally by: WildCard SIX G Dreads around AZN? All lies. its 7 isnt it? ================================ "i am only here to **** you off"
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.12.05 14:07:00 - [128] Originally by: BlackSabbath Originally by: WildCard SIX G Dreads around AZN? All lies. its 7 isnt it? no, it's 2 G, 2 IRON and 2 RAZOR ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
slip66	Posted - 2005.12.05 14:16:00 - [129] Originally by: KIAEddZ Just like to take this opportunity, to remind peeps that KIA are still available for hire ;) xxx hehe I would hire you guys if i was rich and let you have fun on the supply lines
Malken	Posted - 2005.12.05 14:25:00 - [130] Originally by: KIAEddZ If you ever get to see the "Man behind the Avatar" vid, that my ex gf made recently, you'll know that your request for drag and dance, is hardly something thats impossible ;) God damn we are looking to slap someone, why is everyone doing "alright by themselves, thankyou" ;) xx maybe they are just looking to hire a merc corp that wont "go do personal things" and cancel the contract in the middle or they want someone who dont dishonor their word. anyways it looks like G/Iron/Razor and ASCN is having some fun trying to kill the newest server hampster
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2005.12.05 14:42:00 - [131] xx CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
Urmel	Posted - 2005.12.05 14:58:00 - [132] Originally by: Malken maybe they are just looking to hire a merc corp that wont "go do personal things" and cancel the contract in the middle or they want someone who dont dishonor their word. We know perfectly well what KIA are capable of as we had the pleasure to fly with them on many occasions. Just doesnt make to much sense for a pvp group - to pay for other peoples fun
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2005.12.05 15:24:00 - [133] This was a rather enjoyable post to read, despite some obviously uncalled for comments it's refreshing to read some of the reports. Good job to everyone down there and hope you keep having fun :)
Divorce	Posted - 2005.12.05 15:27:00 - [134] The public wants to know, whats going on in AZN atm. Is G killing ASCN with there 7 dreads, or is ASCN killing G's Dreads. I am at work and can't get on to see myself.
Neoteric	Posted - 2005.12.05 16:24:00 - [135] Right Now, I've not heard of any dread fighting in AZN. If there was, I'm sure it would be up on our Corp/Alliance forums, of which it is not. For those searching for the win/lose announcement. Your not going to see it yet. It's been said in other threads & I believe it to be a reasonable reply. Each side has their objectives, of which the defenders is obvious, the attackers not so clear. When [G]/IRON/./././. believe they have won, they may post their objectives, deatil how they achieved them & sun themselves in the glory. When ASCN have won, they shall report a) The Enemy is now nolonger a threat B) whatever else they have as objectives. I dont think you'll see a winning side for some time, just people having fun & some not having fun, at different times. And for Me? Fun Fun Fun... I missed out on the Lag of E-PROS in the begining. But Thank server gods for AZN Last week. The Server was so well behave'd that I was able to Fly one character in a Raven & another in a Zealot with ease. Was a fantastic battle and loved trying to predict Interceptor flight plan's.. Those dreads are fantastic looking in battle, add a new dimention to the field. Although during AZN battle I only saw 1 Dread half way through. But then I wasn't paying to much attention to the exact content of our fleet, rather more interest in the enemy. See you in the next battle Fun Fun Fun, till ya daddy takes ya Dready away?

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