But I want to find a reason to play the game, I want to fly around in a big shiny battleship and kill stuff, I want to be a part of huge fleet battles with my alliance, but I can't, cause my character is less than 3 months old and I won't be able to be any good at that stuff for at least another year at best.

As to your last point it is the developers job to inspire me to play the game, that's their only job.

i like how you try to help new players by forcing both new and old players into running missions (arguably the most boring part of the game)...

1) Never once have I said mission grinding is a good idea, I have said PvE in this sucks and is boring but that my idea gives people a reason to do it.
2) Players who can devote more time to a game should be rewarded more than someone who plays less, that should be a simple suggestion.
3) Theme Park MMO's are currently the most popular type of MMO on the market and are played an enjoyed by millions upon millions of people around the world. Is it only the immature that play Theme Park games?
4) Err I don't know where your getting this stuff from and I have never once told people how they should play this game. I suggested gaining SP's for EVERYTHING you can do in this game, not just mission running.

Want me to continue?

NOT JUST MISSIONS!!!

ffs how many times do I have to say it?

Missions/Ratting/Bounty's was the original title and that can be expanded to all activity's. I don't want people to do anything they don't want to do, I have never once told someone how to play or what to do in EVE, I have merely suggested an added benefit of the grinding aspects of EVE and allow players to get into the fun parts faster.

1) Never once have I said mission grinding is a good idea, I have said PvE in this sucks and is boring but that my idea gives people a reason to do it.

2) Players who can devote more time to a game should be rewarded more than someone who plays less, that should be a simple suggestion.

3) Theme Park MMO's are currently the most popular type of MMO on the market and are played an enjoyed by millions upon millions of people around the world. Is it only the immature that play Theme Park games?

You're lack of insight into this game and it's meta is depressing. If you cannot find a reason to enjoy EVE then seriously, stop playing. CCP has created an excellent product with excellent tools that in of themselves are inspiring to utilize. It is [never] their job to inspire anyone but themselves so that they keep creating tools that inspire us when we use them. If you can't enjoy EVE with simple frigates and destroyers than you have no business flying anything else. Please mail me when (I doubt you'll be playing still) you get a shiny battleship because I will thoroughly enjoy taking it away from you in a ship that took 3 weeks to skill into.

[I do enjoy EVE, I think the game is amazing and I wouldn't be here if I didn't think that, but seriously where is the harm in making the progression system faster? Even if it only for the first few months?

I do enjoy EVE, I think the game is amazing and I wouldn't be here if I didn't think that, but seriously where is the harm in making the progression system faster? Even if it only for the first few months?

I do enjoy EVE, I think the game is amazing and I wouldn't be here if I didn't think that, but seriously where is the harm in making the progression system faster? Even if it only for the first few months?

I do enjoy EVE, I think the game is amazing and I wouldn't be here if I didn't think that, but seriously where is the harm in making the progression system faster? Even if it only for the first few months?

The weird thing is that whether you run missions or mine or trade or just rat to earn some ISK, you are all grinding.

I just don't see why you have a problem with being given an extra benefit to the grinding. If (as has already been said) SP's do not equal skill in this game (which I have agreed with), where is the downside of grinding to gain extra SP's?

As far as I can tell the only problem is that the elitist few who already have a metric sh*t-ton of SP's do not want other people to be able to catch up with them.

New players need a way to get into this game faster and I'm talking a few months not a few years. Whether you want to believe it or not it takes too long to get a ship to any decent, playable standard in EVE.

The last time someone suggested this it got a resounding NO in response.

This time it has got a resounding NO in response.

As for me, that would be a NO.

CCP have made a fair skill progression system that never allows a player to max out and allows all players to progress equally irrespective of their playing styles. There is always something to learn. Your idea would force people to grind missions. A lot of players don't do missions (or any of the content you suggest SP should be awarded for) at all which would put them at a distinct disadvantage to other players.

I'm not suggesting that this should be done but consider, hyperthetically, if rather than getting sp for doing missions (ratting, mining etc) you got sp just for killing players. How would that be for you as a mission runner? Would you find that acceptable and fair? Better still, would you like to be forced into doing pvp just so you could "keep up" with the other players' sp gains?

The weird thing is that whether you run missions or mine or trade or just rat to earn some ISK, you are all grinding. I just don't see why you have a problem with being given an extra benefit to the grinding. If (as has already been said) SP's do not equal skill in this game (which I have agreed with), where is the downside of grinding to gain extra SP's? As far as I can tell the only problem is that the elitist few who already have a metric sh*t-ton of SP's do not want other people to be able to catch up with them.

New players need a way to get into this game faster and I'm talking a few months not a few years. Whether you want to believe it or not it takes too long to get a ship to any decent, playable standard in EVE.

Not if they enjoy running missions, mining, trading, or ratting.


People are going to feel like they have to be grinding SP to keep up, which will force them into doing something they don't really want to be doing, which would lower their enjoyment of the game. Sure, they could just not do the grinding, but then they would feel like they're falling behind, which will also reduce their enjoyment of the game. It's pretty much a no-win situation... you have to run the treadmill just to keep up. That's not fun.


Meh. Tired old argument that doesn't really hold water when you're being given lots of legitimate reasons why this is actually bad for the game (not just for vets).


You're choosing the wrong standards.

But once again I have to say this, I'm not just talking about Missions. If it was a SP gain for ALL activity's up to and including PvP then where's the harm? And as I have added, if you only got the bonus until your character got to a certain amount of SP's (10-15 million for example), then that shouldn't effect anyone but help out a new player.

I'm not seeing all that many legitimate reasons why this is bad for the game, all I am seeing is reasons for why and old veteran does not want it in the game. And that's only cause they want to feel special above all other players and not give them a chance to catch up.

Regardless of whether they enjoy it or not it's still grinding.

But if you got the SP bonus for ALL activity's in the game then they would not have to do the things they didn't want to do to 'keep up', they would only have to do whatever they wanted to do.

I'm not seeing all that many legitimate reasons why this is bad for the game, all I am seeing is reasons for why and old veteran does not want it in the game. And that's only cause they want to feel special above all other players and not give them a chance to catch up.

My last comment before I wash my hands of this insanity is.. think about this.

We just saw EVE reach it's 10th birthday. And over that ten year span, from what I understand, EVE has never seen a drop in player base. It has continuously grown and grown over the years. To the point that China even now has their own private server, Serenity. (Something to do with chinese laws or population, I don't know or care to be frank.)

Forgiving the Incarna incident, CCP has not only made a game that is capable of spanning an entire decade (something WoW hasn't claimed yet) they have shown they are capable of creating something with longevity and consequence. I have never played a game that has made my heart race like EVE does and I would suck **** to keep it that way.

Why attempt to fix something that is not broken?

A grinding mechanic would wreck the PvP landscape forever. There would be none because everyone would constantly be grinding to keep up with one another. Stagnation and death and I won't have any of it.

Well several space sim games are currently in production that could blow the market open and if EVE is gonna survive that, then it's needs to change the experience for new users. The same old tired formula will not work forever.

I don't think anyone will disagree that CCP could be doing a better job getting new players to stick with the game. SP just isn't the right way to do it.

Let's face it, most Corporations have a mandatory SP requirement to be allowed to join them (most of the time around the 15-20 million SP mark) yet you can sit in a station for a year and a half to get those skill points without ever killing anything or knowing how to play the game....

But everything they have tried all revolves around making skill training faster, from speeding up training time for the first 1.2 million SP's (woefully inadequate in my opinion) to these cerebral accelerators.

I'm not completely opposed to the idea (only 95% opposed), but think it would have to have a cap on how much you could gain both in total and per [day/week/etc]. The problem, as others have stated, is that this becomes a daily/weekly/etc grind that, in my opinion, made WoW awful. I don't want to run ****** daily missions to get xxx SP, because it feels like an obligation, like you're wasting that SP if you don't do the mission each and every day.

The only thing I could really support would be relatively small SP rewards for new players completing the tutorial missions. Finish all the tutorial missions, hopefully get an idea of what aspect of the game interests you, and get a one-time 20,000 SP reward to allocate toward skills that interest.

But grinding missions for SP....no.

But everything they have tried all revolves around making skill training faster, from speeding up training time for the first 1.2 million SP's (woefully inadequate in my opinion) to these cerebral accelerators.

Yea well a daily cap would be good as well as a permanent cap at 10-15 million SP's as well so you don't **** off all the older players. But if you could get to 10-15 million SP's in maybe 4-6 months rather than the current 12-18 months wouldn't that be much more user friendly? You could also get the system to auto allocate the SP's for you based off what role you want to do (combat, mining, etc..) or at least give much better advice as to what skills new players should be going for.

Thank you, you are the only person who has given me a good reason not to implement this idea. All I will say is this, Wow hasn't got to 10 years yet, but it has had more than 20 times the amount of players. Wanna know why? Cause it made the new user experience easy to understand and play. I don't like WoW but you can't argue that Blizzard has made the most popular MMO in history. Also think about this, Space sim games died over a decade ago, yet still there remains an enormous fan-base for them. Well several space sim games are currently in production that could blow the market open and if EVE is gonna survive that, then it's needs to change the experience for new users. The same old tired formula will not work forever.