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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.05 18:05:00 -
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Surprisingly cibtradictory information. I have no actual experience using eft and looking at applied dps i was surprised to see 500dps drp to 20 or so against say a tengu going 1500m/s. Which jives with the people who say ham hml have terrible application. Ill try rlm when i get home.
Then theres the people who say everything is fine even though people and eft are showing terrible application. So im hoping they know something others dont |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.07.05 19:17:00 -
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Is 2400 not enough speed because rlm are short range weapons? How fast does a tengu have to be to be viable in this meta? Are ONLY 3500m/s ships being used nowadays? If slower ships are being used why can they be slower but tengu cant? |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:59:00 -
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That is some excellent info. And matches what im seeing in eft. Every build i see suggested ists ham/hml and the dps applied always sucks. Then again my target in eft tends to be t3 or frigate since i expect to find these predominantly and anything bigger/slower is going to only see better dps application.
Even with 0% velocity the t3 barely gets scratched by those weapon systems. I look forward to testing rlm when get home(using net on phone at work now so excuse spelling grammer)
I get the kitting meta. But its not the only thing going on. Big fleets arent countered by kitting ships. Their countered by blobs. And small gang roams tend to have fast tacklers? So why do ships that are sub 3km/s dumped on so bad....unless the ship is solo pvpng
People do fly t3s and i havent seen one fit posted where it travels at 3km/s to be viable. Usually their 1500ish. How are people using these? |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:14:00 -
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The fits people post arent stated as going that fast. Why does a 100mn need to go 3k to be viable of the t3 i see posted arent that fast? Or is it a matter of....if ur not 3k/s then u might as well not break ur fittings using a 100mn when 10mn gets the job done with the gang having a dedicated tackler?
I get the ham/hlm suck part. Its this speed thing that im still chewing on. 3k seems like aweful fast bemchmark that not everyone seems to even be shooting for with the builds ive been seeing so cant be the male or break point. And even for solo its not a hard # when u never know if ur target going to be going 5k making ur 3k as bad as 100m/s for all it matters |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:48:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Just plugged into pyfa the mods and stuff to get a Scythe FI to run 5km/s and afterwards put the same augmentations and links on a cheaped out tengu (1bil), which now goes 3.3km/s non OH, has a 14seconds aligntime, goes 4.8km/s OH. not scrammable, no sigbloom. DPS is only 430.
The one thing that is completely disregarded here is the capacitor. The Tengus endurance is different from any navy cruiser, difference compares to day and night.
So the tengu is - imo - just a ship playing in a different league, most things it can do a navy cruiser can't even remotely accomplish. They might be fine in null/low, but at least in wh-space, 100mn is another kind of ship compared to mwd. (I rather can talk about wh-space compared to low/null)
Can u post the fits implants u used? U say the tengu capacitor is much better. So u vouch for the 100mn tengu? |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:55:00 -
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Kitten Ripper wrote:Chessur wrote:Because I am calling bullshit, as the ship does not exist. You are pvping with offgrid booster, pride yourself with a handful of kills, say its all because of RLM and now you call BS. *facepalm*
everyone pvps with offgrid booster it doesnt even need to be brought up anymore does it?
are you saying RLM arent superior? if not then why arent they? Because Im looking at applied dps and ham sucks, but i dont want it to suck so if Im missing a peice of the puzzle that will turn them back into being good then Im all ears.
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