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Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23608	Posted - 2013.07.03 20:36:00 - [1] - Quote BBC Guardian. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23611	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:04:00 - [2] - Quote Best comment I've read so far is paraphrased "Silly Egyptians, don't they know in a democracy you have to wait 4 years till you get rid of a corrupt incompetent president?". Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23614	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:20:00 - [3] - Quote I thought that was just a -ú5k increase from -ú65k to -ú70k as proposed by the independent Parliamentary pay Commission established by the early Coalition Government? Also with regards to Egypt, this was the Muslim Brotherhood, Islamists that got elected to state and set about trying to turn the country into a Democratic Theocracy like Iran. The Brotherhood were a good underground opposition to the Mubarak regime but ultimately as bad as Mubarak and the people promptly regretted, protested and then won. Note that the head of the Judicial branch is to be sworn in as the intern President of the Executive. The Army has dissolved the Legislature and not seized the Executive themselves, but given that to the independent (relatively all things considered) Judicial. This has a good chance of working, the Army props up this to fix it, sets elections for the Legislature and when the pyramid of cards is indeed standing up properly this time, force an election for the Executive aswell and retreat to their barracks. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23614	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:31:00 - [4] - Quote Basically the opposition rallied around the Brotherhood immediatly after the removal of Mubarek as they were unaccosiated with any of his regime, a bit like how people swung to Labor in 1997 to remove the Tories on principle and elect Tony Blairs government. Turned out it was a mistake in retrospect, as Morsi read being elected president to being elected dictator for life. The Army had been running the country for decades and hence knows how the mechanisms work in living memory. They saw the President overstepping and forcing through rewrites of the Constitution to serve his own needs, the mass protests occurred and they found they were the Army of the Egyptian civilians, not the government when it turned on the people. Hence the current Coup. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23614	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:45:00 - [5] - Quote As I understand it, thats why the US president is Commander in Chief of the US forces as well as executive of the Federal Government. And to answer, nothing really. The British Army has and will rebel if it feels the need, Oliver Cromwell for instance. I have heard rumors that the Army considered a similar action against the Thatcher government and during the Winter of Discontent. Funny how many poor people form the North ended up sighing up to the Military to get a job. It's harder in the west, but not unthinkable if the civilian government turns on the population or doesn't do it's presumed duty then the military may feel its in its own duty to take control itself, Charles De Gaulle for instance ignored the French surrender and withdrew all forces and colonies prepared to continue fighting in the name of a state he was now technically at war with. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23618	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:10:00 - [6] - Quote No, a million man march wouldn't do it. The Egyptians on the other hand had fourteen million people on the streets, the largest protest in history. Also the stakes were considerably higher, and the Egyptian military has the luxury of strategic thought due to having a border with Israel and considerable political weight due to its location and largest population in the Arabic sphere. This yields a more pragmatic player than the Isamist Morsi government when it was dismissing chunks of parliament and rewriting the constitution along more conservative Islamic lines. The Iraq war at the time, the military of the UK and USA had read the intelligence same as the government and believed the conclusions that Iraq had chemical and biological WMD's still and was willing to use them as he previously had. Interestingly enough there's suspicious and arguments now that the WMD's being used in neighboring Syria are the same WMD's that **** had, but perhaps hid to avoid detection in Iraq itself. The really **** up part in Syria is that its President Assad is the secularist, and is fighting Islamists in the civil war. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23619	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:46:00 - [7] - Quote Please explain the issue at hand, I assume it isn't the and between two separate events they are rumored to have considered it. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23619	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:59:00 - [8] - Quote Kirjava wrote: I have heard rumors that the Army considered a similar action against the Thatcher government and during the Winter of Discontent. I apologize for any confusion, I mean that on 2 separate occurrences in the post war era they are heard to have considered it, during the Thatcher government and a separate time during the Winter of Discontent a decade prior. Both were socioeconomic tensions coming to the front in violence. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23721	Posted - 2013.07.05 12:18:00 - [9] - Quote Democracy in the west was fought in bloody civil wars, with the deathtolls in the millions across Europe and the streets of Paris floodying with blood from the guillotines. I would say if an act of **** in a population of 14 million protesting peacefully in the streets is the worst Egypt can do when its their turn I think its us that come off badly. That said we were first and proved the concept and the peaceful template, but still there were no systematic massacres, no religious zealots and it was a Secular peaceful uprising for the most part. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23722	Posted - 2013.07.05 13:00:00 - [10] - Quote Yea, the Japanese play musical chairs with the cabinet right? I stopped remembering who their Prime Minister was after Koizumi.... Also to revise the estimate for deathtolls for democracy in Europe, probably over a hundred million dead for our democracy in Europe, and still rehabilitating the former eastern block through the EU and investment. Until Belarus is a democracy I don't think the liberation of Europe will fully be completed. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 23731	Posted - 2013.07.05 15:31:00 - [11] - Quote Not exactly, Mubarak was a part of the military before hand and he was pro military. The billions in aid to the Army is a fairly nice amount of cash, but nothing the Egyptian state can't say thanks, but no thanks and replace it with a bit higher taxes. The army is a component of Egyptian life too, and in a military enterprise there is loyalty to the people as much as the leaders, how else do they keep such an institution stable and motivated? The previous military rule only worked because the case could be legitimately made they were the best for the job, and with the Muslim Brotherhood the main opposition committing terrorist acts objectively its a fair point. They aren't the best people on Earth I'll grant you that, but their priority is stability and defence of the nation, Israel sits to the north east across Suez so they have a damn good motivation to be sober and not get wrapped up in nationalistic or religious fervour. Also the people on the streets were demanding that the President be removed from power, till Egypt matures as a democracy the military will be the most educated, level headed and cohesive organisation in the country and its lucky they have such an institution to avoid becoming a state like Iran or worse, Zimbabwe given the Brotherhoods economic illiteracy. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 29638	Posted - 2013.08.14 14:53:00 - [12] - Quote And in the current unrest in Egypt, a British Cameraman has been killed in the clearing of pro Islamist protesters. Death toll is over 120 and rising, this is going to get ugly... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!

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