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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:56:00 -
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Quote:Pator GÇô The Minmatar Tribal Council has turned down a request from the Gallente Senate to allow an official Senatorial delegation to join in the funeral procession of Karin Midular. Midular, known as the Ray of Matar, is scheduled to be removed from the Grand Caravanserai and laid to rest according to Sebiestor customs on the 4th.
The Senate had made the request a week ago via private channels, according to a source. GÇ£The request was made in completely good faith. Relations with the Minmatar have obviously been strained during this entire ordeal. The Senate just wanted to remind the Republic that, despite the brief flaring of tempers, we remain friends.GÇ¥
However, the statement released by the Tribal Council said, GÇ£The funeral of Karin Midular will not be turned into political spectacle. We will not prevent anyone from attending the procession, but to afford special status to a group of foreign dignitaries during the final farewell to our Ray of Matar would be disrespectful.GÇ¥
According to the Senatorial source, GÇ£No special accommodations were requested,GÇ¥ but added that the Senate GÇ£has no plans to press the issue.GÇ¥
Source Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:32:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Quote:Pator GÇô The Minmatar Tribal Council has turned down a request from the Gallente Senate to allow an official Senatorial delegation to join in the funeral procession of Karin Midular. Midular, known as the Ray of Matar, is scheduled to be removed from the Grand Caravanserai and laid to rest according to Sebiestor customs on the 4th.
The Senate had made the request a week ago via private channels, according to a source. GÇ£The request was made in completely good faith. Relations with the Minmatar have obviously been strained during this entire ordeal. The Senate just wanted to remind the Republic that, despite the brief flaring of tempers, we remain friends.GÇ¥
However, the statement released by the Tribal Council said, GÇ£The funeral of Karin Midular will not be turned into political spectacle. We will not prevent anyone from attending the procession, but to afford special status to a group of foreign dignitaries during the final farewell to our Ray of Matar would be disrespectful.GÇ¥
According to the Senatorial source, GÇ£No special accommodations were requested,GÇ¥ but added that the Senate GÇ£has no plans to press the issue.GÇ¥ Source There is little one can add to this statement of utter contempt by the Tribal Council for their once and would be allies. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Cipher7
Colelie Victims Relief Fund
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:41:00 -
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Ridiculous. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:20:00 -
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I'm surprised that Shakor passed up such a perfect opportunity to assassinate such a big chunk of the Federation senate, all at once, before launching his surprise invasion. Ammatar - Matari by blood, Ammarian by the Grace of God. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:33:00 -
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I think it would have to be unexpected in order to qualify as a surprise invasion... Bio and writing |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:27:00 -
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Given the Federation's recent reactions, what makes you think it wouldn't be unexpected? |
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:07:00 -
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Come now. They were refused as a political body. Not as persons. I can understand that a funeral of this magnitude should not be drawn into a political situation.
The gesture is noble of course. And I can only hope that the Tribal Council will eventually sit down with the Senate to talk these things over. On the other hand I hope that the gesture from the senate is not purely political. If they really care to mend this divide they would show up still, in their own name, and not representing the senate.
(I'll leave the discussion on how this divide was created and who should make the first step out of this, there are enough threads on that already) aÑÉ |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:28:00 -
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Anatole Madullier wrote:Come now. They were refused as a political body. Not as persons.
It's the funeral of a major political leader. It IS a political event, and not allowing your allies to represent their nation's mourning for that leader is a political act.
Quote:...but to afford special status to a group of foreign dignitaries...
At this point, I'm not sure the Republic believes itself to be in an alliance any longer at all. |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:58:00 -
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I see nothing of particularly starling or worrying nature here, just the media bleating on about the reasonable request to keep politics out of an important funeral.
For once, I think blaming either the Republic or Federation is a fool's errand, it is clear that poor journalistic integrity is at work. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values
Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:04:00 -
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Anatole Madullier wrote:I can understand that a funeral of this magnitude should not be drawn into a political situation.
Of course, given all the political circumstances regarding Midular's death, not to mention things that escalated from it, I can only call it wishful thinking. It is a political situation no matter how much someone would like to close their eyes to that simple truth.
Quote:And I can only hope that the Tribal Council will eventually sit down with the Senate to talk these things over.
Not if they keep making such political faux pas like the one mentioned in this topic. But, I can't really complain; Republicans, keep digging.
Quote:On the other hand I hope that the gesture from the senate is not purely political. If they really care to mend this divide they would show up still, in their own name, and not representing the senate.
Thus implying, or rather sending a message that the Senate doesn't care about the death of Midular, openly mocking it? You know, given Republic's insolence on this matter I think that would actually be a proper retort, and one they'd deserve. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
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Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
127
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:21:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote: Of course, given all the political circumstances regarding Midular's death, not to mention things that escalated from it, I can only call it wishful thinking. It is a political situation no matter how much someone would like to close their eyes to that simple truth.
The situation surrounding the death of the Ray, the events that followed, those are all political. What is happening now is that the tribe is saying their final goodbyes to their leader, and despite all the controversy surrounding the topic I feel that that should not be drawn into the political field.
Leopold Caine wrote: Thus implying, or rather sending a message that the Senate doesn't care about the death of Midular, openly mocking it? You know, given Republic's insolence on this matter I think that would actually be a proper retort, and one they'd deserve.
They can still show personal integrity by showing up and paying their respects. There is nothing wrong with that. The Tribal Council stated so themselves this would not be a problem. I don't see in any way, shape or form how paying your respects for someone lost is openly mocking it.
Aelisha wrote: I see nothing of particularly starling or worrying nature here, just the media bleating on about the reasonable request to keep politics out of an important funeral
This! aÑÉ |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
214
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:51:00 -
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Anatole Madullier wrote:and despite all the controversy surrounding the topic I feel that that should not be drawn into the political field.
I disagree, and believe it's a bit too late for that anyway.
Quote: They can still show personal integrity by showing up and paying their respects. There is nothing wrong with that. The Tribal Council stated so themselves this would not be a problem. I don't see in any way, shape or form how paying your respects for someone lost is openly mocking it.
It would be a breach of diplomatic protocol. They are Senate representatives, as such they represent the Senate. No matter what their personal beliefs or impressions about Karin Midular might be, they don't flip a switch and suddenly start being regular Federal citizens with little to no responsibility.
Ergo, at this point sending a Senate representative with a message that 'they are here just as physical persons' would send a clear message that Senate doesn't really care about Midular's death. Not sure the Republic really cares. At this point however, the Senate will probably do nothing about it, as usual.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1033
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:10:00 -
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Political party A makes formal request to Political party B regarding something under Political party B's control.
Political party B refuses the request, stating reasons.
Political party A accepts this and does not pursue the matter further.
See, it's not as hard as the Republic thinks. Enjoy your gaming.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:57:00 -
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Well done, Republic, for showing Federal scum direction to the door! Of course, it would be better, if you backed it by pummeling their noses with your boots, but, meh, not everything at once. Still good for a start ! |
Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:24:00 -
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Kim, Shut the hell up. Did you not read the damned message? they said ANYONE could attend but that they didn't want the funeral made political.
So your attempt at throwing a political barb into the works is, to say the least, in bad taste. That said, I expect that from a waste of genetic material like you. Next time you clone, please, have an accident. The cluster will be better off without you. |
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:31:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:
Ergo, at this point sending a Senate representative with a message that 'they are here just as physical persons' would send a clear message that Senate doesn't really care about Midular's death. Not sure the Republic really cares. At this point however, the Senate will probably do nothing about it, as usual.
I disagree. At this point if any senator would show up it would testify of their personal conviction and dedication to mending the divide created between the Republic and the Federation. It's about a personal statement at that point. However care should be taken that a senator does not go ahead and make a statement like this because they disagree with things in the Federation, or because of personal profiling.
If anyone, and I do mean anyone in this cluster decides to go to the funeral procession it should be done because of personal conviction and respect towards the Ray. aÑÉ |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2013.07.04 13:24:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Well done, Republic, for showing Federal scum direction to the door! Of course, it would be better, if you backed it by pummeling their noses with your boots, but, meh, not everything at once. Still good for a start !
My dear Ms. Kim, kindly go take a stroll outside whatever station you hide out in without an EVA suit, and spare us your idiocy,
You are like a slaver hound pup - constantly yapping. Nothing Personal - Just Business...
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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2013.07.04 13:29:00 -
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As for the funeral of Midular, they refused the request of our Senate, that is their prerogative. The Senate or the President should give official words of condolences and eulogy and leave it be at that. Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
3
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Posted - 2013.07.04 13:45:00 -
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Anatole Madullier wrote:If anyone, and I do mean anyone in this cluster decides to go to the funeral procession it should be done because of personal conviction and respect towards the Ray.
"Hey, let's have a funeral for this noted proponent of peace in the cluster. What? The Federation Senate wants to come and express commitment towards restoring peace between the Republic and Federation? SCREW THEM!"
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Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:06:00 -
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Jorden, I take it you're an intelligent and literate individual. Please read the article again.
to paraphrase and correct your statement...
"Hey, let's have a funeral for this noted proponent of peace in the cluster. What? The Federation senate wants to come as a political entity? We would rather not have a day of mourning for the Ray of Matar turned into a political circus, You're all welcome to attend as individuals, but not as a 'senatorial delegation'. We hope you understand."
Yeah, doesn't have the same venomous ring to it as your statement, does it?
Seven Tribes. One Matari People. |
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Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1061
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:30:00 -
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We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Sorry you're not ok with that. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
457
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:52:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Sorry you're not ok with that. And yet more contemptuous disregard.
This time from one with the blood of Colelie still on her hands.
If Midular could speak to us one wonders what she would say.
Most likely. "Where were all these people with I was thrown out of office?"
But still, I find the Tribals new found love for her... touching.
I suppose better late than never. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
129
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:57:00 -
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Jorden Ishonen wrote:Anatole Madullier wrote:If anyone, and I do mean anyone in this cluster decides to go to the funeral procession it should be done because of personal conviction and respect towards the Ray. "Hey, let's have a funeral for this noted proponent of peace in the cluster. What? The Federation Senate wants to come and express commitment towards restoring peace between the Republic and Federation? SCREW THEM!"
I think you might have misread the article. I don't think the Tribal Council ever said "SCREW THEM" anywhere in their statement. Perhaps we should stop superimposing our feelings and experiences on this news article, and leave it at that.
Ava Starfire wrote: We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
I will cease the debate. My belated condolences.
Fly safe, fly free. aÑÉ |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
3
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:59:00 -
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It's a funeral for a well-known political leader. Like it or not, it's already a political and media circus. The Federation knows this, the Republic knows this. That's what makes it an effective snub. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2013.07.04 15:09:00 -
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Ok, the Senate stretches out a hand, hoping for the Republic to shake it. The Republic says "Not right now, this is not a suitable time."
While (or because) I can not fully understand why the Republic would think it is disrespectful to engage in diplomatic gestures at a funeral of someone who was quite a diplomat herself, or why this is so important to them that they risk further damage to an already strained relationship, I will not judge them for it. My lack of knowledge about the Matari culture and customs probably makes properly judging this incident beyond my capabilities.
I do hope the republic realizes that it is now their turn to offer a hand for a shake. Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1061
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Posted - 2013.07.04 15:37:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Sorry you're not ok with that. And yet more contemptuous disregard. This time from one with the blood of Colelie still on her hands. If Midular could speak to us one wonders what she would say. Most likely. "Where were all these people with I was thrown out of office?"But still, I find the Tribals new found love for her... touching. I suppose better late than never.
You do not suffer from an overabundance of education, I see. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1036
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Posted - 2013.07.04 15:42:00 -
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I advise some people in here to follow the approach the Senate has taken to this and cease pursuing this matter further.
Arguing when someone has denied your request to circumtstances under their control is an action best left for others. Enjoy your gaming.
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TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
104
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Posted - 2013.07.04 15:47:00 -
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Let us also remember Gerne Broteau today. He was brutaly murdered by the Republic justice system. Let us remember and show our respect to him with a minutes silence also. I will pay mine, by lighting a candle when i return home later on tonight.
I am no lover of the heathens. Criminal race who have no use or worth, apart from being slaves and used as workforce. |
Aquila Shadow
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
189
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Posted - 2013.07.04 16:23:00 -
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The Republic didn't say they couldn't attend, they said they couldn't attend in an official capacity.
Sooo casual attire? -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword" |
Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:55:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Sorry you're not ok with that. And yet more contemptuous disregard. This time from one with the blood of Colelie still on her hands. If Midular could speak to us one wonders what she would say. Most likely. "Where were all these people with I was thrown out of office?"But still, I find the Tribals new found love for her... touching. I suppose better late than never.
Syagrius, Considering your current affiliation and support of an Angel Cartel loyalist group, let me make this one thing abundantly clear :
You have no place commenting on Matari affairs.
Seven Tribes. One Matari People. |
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