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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:56:00 -
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Quote:Pator GÇô The Minmatar Tribal Council has turned down a request from the Gallente Senate to allow an official Senatorial delegation to join in the funeral procession of Karin Midular. Midular, known as the Ray of Matar, is scheduled to be removed from the Grand Caravanserai and laid to rest according to Sebiestor customs on the 4th.
The Senate had made the request a week ago via private channels, according to a source. GÇ£The request was made in completely good faith. Relations with the Minmatar have obviously been strained during this entire ordeal. The Senate just wanted to remind the Republic that, despite the brief flaring of tempers, we remain friends.GÇ¥
However, the statement released by the Tribal Council said, GÇ£The funeral of Karin Midular will not be turned into political spectacle. We will not prevent anyone from attending the procession, but to afford special status to a group of foreign dignitaries during the final farewell to our Ray of Matar would be disrespectful.GÇ¥
According to the Senatorial source, GÇ£No special accommodations were requested,GÇ¥ but added that the Senate GÇ£has no plans to press the issue.GÇ¥
Source Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
457
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:32:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Quote:Pator GÇô The Minmatar Tribal Council has turned down a request from the Gallente Senate to allow an official Senatorial delegation to join in the funeral procession of Karin Midular. Midular, known as the Ray of Matar, is scheduled to be removed from the Grand Caravanserai and laid to rest according to Sebiestor customs on the 4th.
The Senate had made the request a week ago via private channels, according to a source. GÇ£The request was made in completely good faith. Relations with the Minmatar have obviously been strained during this entire ordeal. The Senate just wanted to remind the Republic that, despite the brief flaring of tempers, we remain friends.GÇ¥
However, the statement released by the Tribal Council said, GÇ£The funeral of Karin Midular will not be turned into political spectacle. We will not prevent anyone from attending the procession, but to afford special status to a group of foreign dignitaries during the final farewell to our Ray of Matar would be disrespectful.GÇ¥
According to the Senatorial source, GÇ£No special accommodations were requested,GÇ¥ but added that the Senate GÇ£has no plans to press the issue.GÇ¥ Source There is little one can add to this statement of utter contempt by the Tribal Council for their once and would be allies. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Cipher7
Colelie Victims Relief Fund
110
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:41:00 -
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Ridiculous. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1548
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:20:00 -
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I'm surprised that Shakor passed up such a perfect opportunity to assassinate such a big chunk of the Federation senate, all at once, before launching his surprise invasion. Ammatar - Matari by blood, Ammarian by the Grace of God. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
263
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:33:00 -
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I think it would have to be unexpected in order to qualify as a surprise invasion... Bio and writing |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
3
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:27:00 -
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Given the Federation's recent reactions, what makes you think it wouldn't be unexpected? |
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
127
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:07:00 -
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Come now. They were refused as a political body. Not as persons. I can understand that a funeral of this magnitude should not be drawn into a political situation.
The gesture is noble of course. And I can only hope that the Tribal Council will eventually sit down with the Senate to talk these things over. On the other hand I hope that the gesture from the senate is not purely political. If they really care to mend this divide they would show up still, in their own name, and not representing the senate.
(I'll leave the discussion on how this divide was created and who should make the first step out of this, there are enough threads on that already) aÑÉ |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
3
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:28:00 -
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Anatole Madullier wrote:Come now. They were refused as a political body. Not as persons.
It's the funeral of a major political leader. It IS a political event, and not allowing your allies to represent their nation's mourning for that leader is a political act.
Quote:...but to afford special status to a group of foreign dignitaries...
At this point, I'm not sure the Republic believes itself to be in an alliance any longer at all. |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange
209
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:58:00 -
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I see nothing of particularly starling or worrying nature here, just the media bleating on about the reasonable request to keep politics out of an important funeral.
For once, I think blaming either the Republic or Federation is a fool's errand, it is clear that poor journalistic integrity is at work. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values
Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
214
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:04:00 -
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Anatole Madullier wrote:I can understand that a funeral of this magnitude should not be drawn into a political situation.
Of course, given all the political circumstances regarding Midular's death, not to mention things that escalated from it, I can only call it wishful thinking. It is a political situation no matter how much someone would like to close their eyes to that simple truth.
Quote:And I can only hope that the Tribal Council will eventually sit down with the Senate to talk these things over.
Not if they keep making such political faux pas like the one mentioned in this topic. But, I can't really complain; Republicans, keep digging.
Quote:On the other hand I hope that the gesture from the senate is not purely political. If they really care to mend this divide they would show up still, in their own name, and not representing the senate.
Thus implying, or rather sending a message that the Senate doesn't care about the death of Midular, openly mocking it? You know, given Republic's insolence on this matter I think that would actually be a proper retort, and one they'd deserve. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
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Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
127
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:21:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote: Of course, given all the political circumstances regarding Midular's death, not to mention things that escalated from it, I can only call it wishful thinking. It is a political situation no matter how much someone would like to close their eyes to that simple truth.
The situation surrounding the death of the Ray, the events that followed, those are all political. What is happening now is that the tribe is saying their final goodbyes to their leader, and despite all the controversy surrounding the topic I feel that that should not be drawn into the political field.
Leopold Caine wrote: Thus implying, or rather sending a message that the Senate doesn't care about the death of Midular, openly mocking it? You know, given Republic's insolence on this matter I think that would actually be a proper retort, and one they'd deserve.
They can still show personal integrity by showing up and paying their respects. There is nothing wrong with that. The Tribal Council stated so themselves this would not be a problem. I don't see in any way, shape or form how paying your respects for someone lost is openly mocking it.
Aelisha wrote: I see nothing of particularly starling or worrying nature here, just the media bleating on about the reasonable request to keep politics out of an important funeral
This! aÑÉ |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
214
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:51:00 -
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Anatole Madullier wrote:and despite all the controversy surrounding the topic I feel that that should not be drawn into the political field.
I disagree, and believe it's a bit too late for that anyway.
Quote: They can still show personal integrity by showing up and paying their respects. There is nothing wrong with that. The Tribal Council stated so themselves this would not be a problem. I don't see in any way, shape or form how paying your respects for someone lost is openly mocking it.
It would be a breach of diplomatic protocol. They are Senate representatives, as such they represent the Senate. No matter what their personal beliefs or impressions about Karin Midular might be, they don't flip a switch and suddenly start being regular Federal citizens with little to no responsibility.
Ergo, at this point sending a Senate representative with a message that 'they are here just as physical persons' would send a clear message that Senate doesn't really care about Midular's death. Not sure the Republic really cares. At this point however, the Senate will probably do nothing about it, as usual.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1033
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:10:00 -
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Political party A makes formal request to Political party B regarding something under Political party B's control.
Political party B refuses the request, stating reasons.
Political party A accepts this and does not pursue the matter further.
See, it's not as hard as the Republic thinks. Enjoy your gaming.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
491
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:57:00 -
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Well done, Republic, for showing Federal scum direction to the door! Of course, it would be better, if you backed it by pummeling their noses with your boots, but, meh, not everything at once. Still good for a start ! |
Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:24:00 -
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Kim, Shut the hell up. Did you not read the damned message? they said ANYONE could attend but that they didn't want the funeral made political.
So your attempt at throwing a political barb into the works is, to say the least, in bad taste. That said, I expect that from a waste of genetic material like you. Next time you clone, please, have an accident. The cluster will be better off without you. |
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
128
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:31:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:
Ergo, at this point sending a Senate representative with a message that 'they are here just as physical persons' would send a clear message that Senate doesn't really care about Midular's death. Not sure the Republic really cares. At this point however, the Senate will probably do nothing about it, as usual.
I disagree. At this point if any senator would show up it would testify of their personal conviction and dedication to mending the divide created between the Republic and the Federation. It's about a personal statement at that point. However care should be taken that a senator does not go ahead and make a statement like this because they disagree with things in the Federation, or because of personal profiling.
If anyone, and I do mean anyone in this cluster decides to go to the funeral procession it should be done because of personal conviction and respect towards the Ray. aÑÉ |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2013.07.04 13:24:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Well done, Republic, for showing Federal scum direction to the door! Of course, it would be better, if you backed it by pummeling their noses with your boots, but, meh, not everything at once. Still good for a start !
My dear Ms. Kim, kindly go take a stroll outside whatever station you hide out in without an EVA suit, and spare us your idiocy,
You are like a slaver hound pup - constantly yapping. Nothing Personal - Just Business...
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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2013.07.04 13:29:00 -
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As for the funeral of Midular, they refused the request of our Senate, that is their prerogative. The Senate or the President should give official words of condolences and eulogy and leave it be at that. Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
3
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Posted - 2013.07.04 13:45:00 -
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Anatole Madullier wrote:If anyone, and I do mean anyone in this cluster decides to go to the funeral procession it should be done because of personal conviction and respect towards the Ray.
"Hey, let's have a funeral for this noted proponent of peace in the cluster. What? The Federation Senate wants to come and express commitment towards restoring peace between the Republic and Federation? SCREW THEM!"
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Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:06:00 -
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Jorden, I take it you're an intelligent and literate individual. Please read the article again.
to paraphrase and correct your statement...
"Hey, let's have a funeral for this noted proponent of peace in the cluster. What? The Federation senate wants to come as a political entity? We would rather not have a day of mourning for the Ray of Matar turned into a political circus, You're all welcome to attend as individuals, but not as a 'senatorial delegation'. We hope you understand."
Yeah, doesn't have the same venomous ring to it as your statement, does it?
Seven Tribes. One Matari People. |
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Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1061
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:30:00 -
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We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Sorry you're not ok with that. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
457
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:52:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Sorry you're not ok with that. And yet more contemptuous disregard.
This time from one with the blood of Colelie still on her hands.
If Midular could speak to us one wonders what she would say.
Most likely. "Where were all these people with I was thrown out of office?"
But still, I find the Tribals new found love for her... touching.
I suppose better late than never. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
129
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:57:00 -
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Jorden Ishonen wrote:Anatole Madullier wrote:If anyone, and I do mean anyone in this cluster decides to go to the funeral procession it should be done because of personal conviction and respect towards the Ray. "Hey, let's have a funeral for this noted proponent of peace in the cluster. What? The Federation Senate wants to come and express commitment towards restoring peace between the Republic and Federation? SCREW THEM!"
I think you might have misread the article. I don't think the Tribal Council ever said "SCREW THEM" anywhere in their statement. Perhaps we should stop superimposing our feelings and experiences on this news article, and leave it at that.
Ava Starfire wrote: We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
I will cease the debate. My belated condolences.
Fly safe, fly free. aÑÉ |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
3
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:59:00 -
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It's a funeral for a well-known political leader. Like it or not, it's already a political and media circus. The Federation knows this, the Republic knows this. That's what makes it an effective snub. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
513
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Posted - 2013.07.04 15:09:00 -
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Ok, the Senate stretches out a hand, hoping for the Republic to shake it. The Republic says "Not right now, this is not a suitable time."
While (or because) I can not fully understand why the Republic would think it is disrespectful to engage in diplomatic gestures at a funeral of someone who was quite a diplomat herself, or why this is so important to them that they risk further damage to an already strained relationship, I will not judge them for it. My lack of knowledge about the Matari culture and customs probably makes properly judging this incident beyond my capabilities.
I do hope the republic realizes that it is now their turn to offer a hand for a shake. Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1061
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Posted - 2013.07.04 15:37:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Sorry you're not ok with that. And yet more contemptuous disregard. This time from one with the blood of Colelie still on her hands. If Midular could speak to us one wonders what she would say. Most likely. "Where were all these people with I was thrown out of office?"But still, I find the Tribals new found love for her... touching. I suppose better late than never.
You do not suffer from an overabundance of education, I see. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1036
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Posted - 2013.07.04 15:42:00 -
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I advise some people in here to follow the approach the Senate has taken to this and cease pursuing this matter further.
Arguing when someone has denied your request to circumtstances under their control is an action best left for others. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
104
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Posted - 2013.07.04 15:47:00 -
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Let us also remember Gerne Broteau today. He was brutaly murdered by the Republic justice system. Let us remember and show our respect to him with a minutes silence also. I will pay mine, by lighting a candle when i return home later on tonight.
I am no lover of the heathens. Criminal race who have no use or worth, apart from being slaves and used as workforce. |
Aquila Shadow
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
189
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Posted - 2013.07.04 16:23:00 -
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The Republic didn't say they couldn't attend, they said they couldn't attend in an official capacity.
Sooo casual attire? -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword" |
Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:55:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Sorry you're not ok with that. And yet more contemptuous disregard. This time from one with the blood of Colelie still on her hands. If Midular could speak to us one wonders what she would say. Most likely. "Where were all these people with I was thrown out of office?"But still, I find the Tribals new found love for her... touching. I suppose better late than never.
Syagrius, Considering your current affiliation and support of an Angel Cartel loyalist group, let me make this one thing abundantly clear :
You have no place commenting on Matari affairs.
Seven Tribes. One Matari People. |
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Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2013.07.04 21:24:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:Let us also remember Gerne Broteau today. He was brutaly murdered by the Republic justice system. Let us remember and show our respect to him with a minutes silence also. I will pay mine, by lighting a candle when i return home later on tonight.
I am no lover of the heathens. Criminal race who have no use or worth, apart from being slaves and used as workforce.
REDACTED You're not even a hethite anymore Horn, just a troll. Grow up.
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James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
461
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Posted - 2013.07.04 22:27:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:James Syagrius wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Sorry you're not ok with that. And yet more contemptuous disregard. This time from one with the blood of Colelie still on her hands. If Midular could speak to us one wonders what she would say. Most likely. "Where were all these people with I was thrown out of office?"But still, I find the Tribals new found love for her... touching. I suppose better late than never. You do not suffer from an overabundance of education, I see. Nor you my dear of fresh water and soap.
But then who am I to judge cultural proclivities. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
247
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Posted - 2013.07.04 22:38:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Sorry you're not ok with that.
At least she was "beloved" once she got shot in the head and turned in to a political and media circus. Prior to that, your little band of halfwits wasn't exactly singing her praises, now, was it "shaman?"
You superficial imbeciles still haven't figured out what your "beloved chief's" life actually stood for. Big shock, that. |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
461
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Posted - 2013.07.04 22:52:00 -
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Toluijin Chagangan wrote:Syagrius, Considering your current affiliation and support of an Angel Cartel loyalist group, let me make this one thing abundantly clear :
You have no place commenting on Matari affairs. I am a Cartel employee, loyalist not so much. A small distinction but still.
When however the Tribal Council through arrogance, stupidity or both insulted the collective peoples of the Federation through their Senate, it becomes a bit more that a "Matari matter." GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1553
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:52:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:We do not want a funeral for our beloved chief to become a political and media circus.
Translation: "We lost too many dreads at Colelie to blow up the Federation envoys."
Ammatar - Matari by blood, Ammarian by the Grace of God. |
Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
60
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:41:00 -
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Aelisha wrote:I see nothing of particularly startling or worrying nature here, just the media bleating on about the reasonable request to keep politics out of an important funeral. It's the media bleating that is the item of interest here. The Senate's request was made privately, as per the article.
The only reason for it now to be public is because it was leaked - probably in the hopes of casting one side or the other in poor light and in increasing the political instability between the two factional allies.
So the only question worth asking is who stands to gain from such an outcome.
O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
199
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:06:00 -
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I pretty much fully agree with my comrade Anatole.
This is a delicate, deeply spiritual matter which must be approached with care. So far it seems like the Federation Senate understands this, if they're choosing not to pursue the matter. I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way. |
Erys Charantes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.07.06 11:19:00 -
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The request was made in good faith... And the denial was worded similarly, clearly with no insult intended, merely a statement of facts. Frankly, if the Matari wish to keep Midulars funeral from becoming more of a spectacle than threads like this make it into, that's their right, and their choice to make. As was said, it's a delicate affair, and should be handled as such.
I'm sure there will be plenty of debating, arguing, accusing, and more media sensationalism to come... So this, at least, should remain inviolate, as much as possible.
My condolences to the Sebiestor, and all Minmatar... Regardless of the success or failure of her tenure, from any point of view, I've always considered Midular someone to be admired. She did the one thing that so few do when faced with harsh realities. She tried to do something better than spill blood.
That's a legacy worth carrying on. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
492
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Posted - 2013.07.06 11:31:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:I advise some people in here to follow the approach the Senate has taken to this and cease pursuing this matter further. Why would anyone should follow these short-minded greedy gallentean swines from Senate, eh? Even tribals closed their doors before their noses !
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1043
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:40:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:I advise some people in here to follow the approach the Senate has taken to this and cease pursuing this matter further. Why would anyone should follow these short-minded greedy gallentean swines from Senate, eh? Even tribals closed their doors before their noses !
Because unlike yourself they've handled themselves with a manner that shows respect, dignity and not behaving like a petulant child. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1651
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:46:00 -
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There's no such thing as a happy funeral, but there is such a thing as a beautiful one. I had hoped to see the thermal signature of the pyre from orbit, but of course in the event there wasn't one.
Still, it was an opportunity for reflection and, as I tend to do on such occasions, I meditated while in GeoSynchronos orbit above Mikramurka. For the Wayists here, I meditated on Mountain Wind. For non-Wayists, that means cultivating a mindset of silent observation, of keeping your counsel until it is valuable, and of speaking only when you have something worthy of being said.
I find that Mountain Wind is a useful meditation here in the Republic. I am, after all, a guest in the homelands of the Tribes and I prefer to hold my piece unless explicitly asked for my opinion. I would encourage others to think along similar lines. This is especially aimed at my own people: While I'm all for the Caldari exploiting any rift which may form between the Federation and the Republic, I'm not for assisting in forcing open that rift by shouting from the sidelines.
We're not involved, neither should we be. Opportunism is just good sense, but there's no need to break their tea set in order to invite them to drink with us. Let events unfold as they will, kirjuunen. If we are to ask that our own internal strifes be left squarely in our hands, the least we can do is give that courtesy in return. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
463
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:52:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:There's no such thing as a happy funeral, but there is such a thing as a beautiful one. I had hoped to see the thermal signature of the pyre from orbit, but of course in the event there wasn't one.
Still, it was an opportunity for reflection and, as I tend to do on such occasions, I meditated while in GeoSynchronos orbit above Mikramurka. For the Wayists here, I meditated on Mountain Wind. For non-Wayists, that means cultivating a mindset of silent observation, of keeping your counsel until it is valuable, and of speaking only when you have something worthy of being said.
I find that Mountain Wind is a useful meditation here in the Republic. I am, after all, a guest in the homelands of the Tribes and I prefer to hold my piece unless explicitly asked for my opinion. I would encourage others to think along similar lines. This is especially aimed at my own people: While I'm all for the Caldari exploiting any rift which may form between the Federation and the Republic, I'm not for assisting in forcing open that rift by shouting from the sidelines.
We're not involved, neither should we be. Opportunism is just good sense, but there's no need to break their tea set in order to invite them to drink with us. Let events unfold as they will, kirjuunen. If we are to ask that our own internal strifes be left squarely in our hands, the least we can do is give that courtesy in return. You sir, are a dangerous man. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1162
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Posted - 2013.07.07 05:03:00 -
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Come home, Verin-suuolo. You've been away too long and things are changing, big things that your voice ought to be a part of. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
215
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:06:00 -
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So, has the funeral festivity happened yet? It's been a couple days, I'd suppose Shakor would start noticing the odor by now. There's a political joke somewhere in there, but I'll leave it to those of you more versed in the ways of satire than I am.
Toluijin Chagangan wrote: Syagrius, Considering your current affiliation and support of an Angel Cartel loyalist group, let me make this one thing abundantly clear :
You have no place commenting on Matari affairs.
I'm sure mr. Syagrius doesn't need my white-knighting and that it might be a bit of a derailment, but given that the majority of Angel Cartel citizens are of Matari ethnicity... you know.. yes. Yes he does.
Also, ad hominem rhetoric? In my IGS? I'm shocked. Sincerely. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
Niko medes
Sonoran Shadow
100
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:13:00 -
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As a political body, we are refused.. but as people, individuals, we are welcomed to show our respect.
If that isn't beautiful I don't know what is...
As Gallente, we are individuals first.. a Federation second. Hopefully this funeral reminds us as well as our government bodies of this ideal that is so very close to who we are.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
272
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Posted - 2013.07.08 15:05:00 -
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Niko medes wrote:As a political body, we are refused.. but as people, individuals, we are welcomed to show our respect.
I wasn't there, but if you read news accounts of the funeral, they mention "several representatives from other nations paying their respects".
Sounds like the only political body that was refused was the Senate. I wonder why that is. Bio and writing |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
720
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:14:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:Niko medes wrote:As a political body, we are refused.. but as people, individuals, we are welcomed to show our respect. I wasn't there, but if you read news accounts of the funeral, they mention "several representatives from other nations paying their respects". Sounds like the only political body that was refused was the Senate. I wonder why that is.
I think you should carefully re-read the preceding article again before stirring the **** further by making wild assumptions out of thin air by conflating two separate events, Kaika.
The Senatorial delegates were not barred from attending the funeral. Nor from attending the procession before it. They were denied a request for a place in the procession itself - a place that was not given to anyone else either.
I would not expect to see members of the Tribal Council in a funeral procession for Roden or Foiritan. I would not expect the Council to ask for such a thing.
Nor, honestly, would I expect such a request to be granted were it made. Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Niko medes
Sonoran Shadow
101
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:34:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:Niko medes wrote:As a political body, we are refused.. but as people, individuals, we are welcomed to show our respect. I wasn't there, but if you read news accounts of the funeral, they mention "several representatives from other nations paying their respects". Sounds like the only political body that was refused was the Senate. I wonder why that is.
Call me what you will, but for them to invite us as individuals and not as a "government trying to be overbearing" is a gesture of kindness that has a much deeper meaning in my honest opinion.
We are the only other civilization that promotes such an ideal as individualism. I hope we took the opportunity to show not only Shakor but the Minmatar people this; that we still hold at least this common ground with them in this season of tension between our two people.
I hope those Gallente that had the opportunity to attend overcame the all too common pitfall of arrogance our race tends to unintentionally adhere to. I hope they didn't take the rejection of our government attending this funeral as a sign of disrespect. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
272
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:46:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:stuff A refutation of said stuff.
The key word in the news piece here is "representatives". Say, for example, it read "several citizens from other nations paying their respects". It would be clear that they were there as individuals to pay their respects. The word "representative" implies a more official capacity - a delegate from a nation is a representative from that nation.
I'm probably being overly pedantic, but words do form a very specific map. Yet, as Chevaign pointed out, the map is not the territory.
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
720
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:54:00 -
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The procession and the funeral were two entirely separate events.
The Senate was told not that they would not be allowed to attend either event, but that they would not be treated like celebrities or given any form of special treatment by allowing them to participate in the procession, which is what the request was asking for.
There is no 'map' here at all. Just you being excessively pedantic, as you accurately surmised.
I'm rather disappointed in you. Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
272
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:08:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:I'm rather disappointed in you.
That much has been clear for some time.
In any case, as you've said, all that's here is me being overly pedantic. I'm sure you're right about all of this. Out of respect for Midular's memory, I'll leave this particular discussion alone from now on. Bio and writing |
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