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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:13:00 -
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You can literally buy this: http://i.imgur.com/uWTbgoc.jpg Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2436
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:25:00 -
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Do want. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1762
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Posted - 2013.07.07 10:32:00 -
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Slight derail...
Ever since I bought my own first e-cig set, I haven't even drawn a single "first hand" puff of tobacco smoke, and I've only been significantly tempted to try a cigarette in the first couple of weeks (but not enough to actually do it, even if I had an already open and nearly full pack on hand as a standby - I still have that pack somewhere, heh, it must be all dried out by now).
Then again, I started vaping for the first few days using uber-heavy-duty clear liquid (pure PG, no aroma whatsoever, nicotine content 36mg/ml), so I was chock-full of nicotine constantly anyway. Other people start with tobacco-like flavours of mild nicotine concentrations, and end up kind of unsatisfied in several different ways because of it (not enough nicotine, flavour too different from actual cigarettes, while also having high expectations). I'd recommend anybody to start with the HIGHEST nicotine concentration they can find (and thats usually found in base liquids from DIY kits - you can add any flavours you like).
It only took about 1 month to start being mildly bothered by the smell of cigarette smoke nearby after I've switched to vaping, and in 6 months, it's as if I would have never been a smoker myself. And I don't mean bothered in the sense of craving it, but in the sense of being repulsed by it. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
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Alice Saki
Full Spectrum Hairdresser Pirates
69600
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Posted - 2013.07.07 12:48:00 -
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...I tried these I think they are rubbish :|
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8387
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:25:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:...I tried these I think they are rubbish :|
Taste is subjective obviously but if you bought it at a corner store or pharmacy, of course it's going to be garbage. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:34:00 -
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Thank you for the list Andski and everyone else for the advice, I'm learning a lot from this thread.
Especially on setting limits on how much I use, I puffed away the disposable non nicotine one fast since I did not have to go outside. |

Kaahles
Retarded Extemely Dangerous The Predictables
25
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:07:00 -
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Oookay... I've seen some very strange self made atomizers and battery mods but that thing is just golden :o I want one!
oh btw repairable atomizers are another awesome thing since the material for the heating coil and wick are dirt cheap and you can influence the amount of vapor, throat hit and flavor intensity yourself. Pretty much like fitting internet space ships. Running a "low-flavor-intensive smoke grenade" here. However that "smoke grenade" has the same problem with liquid which minmatar have with ammo. It burns through it like a mofo.
ninja edit: however those bad boys are not really the best thing to start with because they are so darn expensive and it usually takes some time until you figure out how to actually create a good heating coil. In addition with using disposable atomizers/cartomizers first you got sort of a reference point of how things are supposed to work. |

Totalrx
NA No Assholes
107
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Posted - 2013.07.08 12:43:00 -
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Get an ego 510 (or 510 compatible) 900mAh battery starter kit. Throw in a 900mAh pass through battery. Get a couple of T3 tanks and pick up extra carts (elements) for them.
Best juice I have found for throat hit and vapor produced is vaporstaton. Partial to Tennessee myself, but also can dig Tampa, Texas, Frisco, and RY4. All sell for $14 for a 30mL bottle.
Batteries last all day and the pass through can be used while you are Eve'ing it.
The vapor that simple set up produces for me is equivalent to when I smoked. A little pricey on the initial investment, but not spending $ on analog cigs adds up real quick and that investment is quickly recovered. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8402
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Posted - 2013.07.09 18:17:00 -
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Totalrx wrote:Get an ego 510 (or 510 compatible) 900mAh battery starter kit. Throw in a 900mAh pass through battery. Get a couple of T3 tanks and pick up extra carts (elements) for them.
Best juice I have found for throat hit and vapor produced is vaporstaton. Partial to Tennessee myself, but also can dig Tampa, Texas, Frisco, and RY4. All sell for $14 for a 30mL bottle.
Batteries last all day and the pass through can be used while you are Eve'ing it.
The vapor that simple set up produces for me is equivalent to when I smoked. A little pricey on the initial investment, but not spending $ on analog cigs adds up real quick and that investment is quickly recovered.
You can get 50mL bottles from ECBlends and Mount Baker Vapor for $10-15 apiece. Also, eGo pass-throughs are "okay" but I personally prefer a 1300mAh Vision Spinner (eGo Twist clone, not passthrough, but it's better than the Joyetech one IMO) or an iTaste MVP which is a bit pricier but it can charge in pass-through mode and it has much better battery capacity to boot. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
65
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:54:00 -
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Fear Near wrote:What is the point of smoking if there's no smoke? Tell me when there's Eblowsmokefrommymouth
I'm on Day 2 of trying the e-cigs and I like them. You can blow smoke from them, they are pretty much identical to "real" cigs except for the fact that they are a bit heavier.
I was thinking about trying them but this thread tipped me over the edge, so thanks to Akita and Andski and everyone else that spent some time talking about the subject.
Just to add one point, as opposed to gum, patches, microtabs, lozenges, etc, the difference for me is that you get the instant hit of inhaling. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8403
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:26:00 -
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voetius wrote:I'm on Day 2 of trying the e-cigs and I like them. You can blow smoke from them, they are pretty much identical to "real" cigs except for the fact that they are a bit heavier.
I was thinking about trying them but this thread tipped me over the edge, so thanks to Akita and Andski and everyone else that spent some time talking about the subject.
Just to add one point, as opposed to gum, patches, microtabs, lozenges, etc, the difference for me is that you get the instant hit of inhaling.
Awesome, what kit did you get? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
24768
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:38:00 -
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I was attending an addiction research convention last weekend, they talked very extensively about E-cigarettes. Seems like the tobacco industry considers the whole field a complete new market and all the major corporations are rushing into it now- expect to see lots of E-cigarette related products in the coming months and a healthy competition that will drive down the prices. Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
65
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Posted - 2013.07.10 07:48:00 -
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@Andski, I've just started to get my feet wet as it were, so I have bought a couple of disposables. The nice lady in Tesco informed me when I bought them that it was cheaper to buy the rechargeable and I will do that once I have used up the last disposable.
Good to know there will be more competition Zimmy, I hope there is a bit more information out there as well, as I found it hard to get any sensible info on what options I had so I just had a look at the ones my local Tesco stocked and picked one more or less at random. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8405
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:30:00 -
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voetius wrote: @Andski, I've just started to get my feet wet as it were, so I have bought a couple of disposables. The nice lady in Tesco informed me when I bought them that it was cheaper to buy the rechargeable and I will do that once I have used up the last disposable.
Cig-alikes are alright but their battery life is awful. Use up your disposables, sure, but you'll be better off with a starter kit that includes a high-capacity battery (650 mAh or better, 1000+ will last you more than a day) and a clearo than with a rechargeable cig-alike kit that uses pre-filled cartridges with limited flavor options.
Here's a list of vendors: http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/wiki/supplier_list#wiki_uk Twitter: @EVEAndski
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voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
66
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:39:00 -
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cool thanks for the link  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8406
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:20:00 -
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I've created an in-game channel, EVEVapers. Feel free to join to talk about e-cigs, vaping or whatever, especially if you're curious about it. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
16746
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:54:00 -
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I've been using Socialities for a few months now and I'm down to one or two real cigs a week... they ship world wide, as far as I know. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Alice Saki
TAFF AS NAILS
70732
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:25:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:I've been using Socialities for a few months now and I'm down to one or two real cigs a week... they ship world wide, as far as I know.
Do they really feel and taste like Ciggys?
Cause that's what put me off them, I found they had no kick.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
16766
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:50:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Do they really feel and taste like Ciggys?
Cause that's what put me off them, I found they had no kick.
Well... kinda. They have a kick to them, but it's not smoke, and that's noticeable... it's more sweetish. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1768
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:56:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Do they really feel and taste like Ciggys? Cause that's what put me off them, I found they had no kick. Bases: VG = Vegetable Glycerin ; PG = Propylene Glycol Both are widely used as additives in cosmetics, foods, etc. Both are transparent, oily liquids, in which nicotine and flavours can be incorporated easily. Both have a very long shelf life if properly stored sealed, and still a respectable shelf life even in less optimal storage conditions after opening.
Liquids use as base either pure PG, pure VG, or a mix of both (most common ratios of PG-VG in commercial liquids are 90-10, 80-20 and 60-40). There are also a couple of less commonly used bases for the liquids, but I won't get into those much (I'll just briefly mention one, PEG = Polyethylene glycol).
VG
Advantages: - plenty of thick vapour - practically no chance of allergic reactions - slight lubricative action (can also be a disadvantage, can lead to phlegm build-up for some)
Disadvantages: - weak "throat hit" (can be an advantage for some) - leaves a lot of difficult to clean up residue rather fast - chance of phlegm build-up - distinctive sweet-ish taste that slightly changes and/or masks whatever aroma you're using
PG
Advantages: - low residue buildup, which is also relatively easy to clean - does not affect the taste nor smell of whatever aroma you are using - strong "throat hit" (can be an disadvantage for some, it can in some cases lead to some degree of soreness if abused)
Disadvantages: - slight mouth-drying effect (easily manageable with a sip of water) - low visual vapour production - chance of (very) mild allergic reaction for a very small (low single digit) percentage of the population http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
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Hrothgar Nilsson
380
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:58:00 -
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A lot of e-cigs are just re-brands. I bought the Volcano brand a couple years back, not bad at all, and very reasonably priced. I think they were basically a re-brand of Blu.
Can't help OP with the question of where to get them in Canada, but I'm sure Google knows. Or just get them imported from the US. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

PopeUrban
El Expedicion
19
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:03:00 -
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I grabbed the basic BLU kit on a whim at a walgreens and was pretty happy with it, but as a pack a day smoker looking to transition to a healthier nicotine delivery medium, I quickly found out the batteries were ****.
That said, after trying some other brands I really did like BLU's juice, so I went ahead and got their premium 100 kit from their site and a buncha cartomizers. That kit has larger cartomizers and higher capacity/quicker charging batteries that you don't have to screw or plug in to anything, they charger is a spring loaded dealy in the pack that I've found to be pretty reliable and fast to use.
Vape snobs will tell you that branded cartomizers are inferior, you should make your own, etc. but I'll say that I've been using that BLU kit for about three months now and I've become accustomed to it in the same manner as I was smokes. I can change batteries mindlessly in the car, it's a thing to fidget with at my desk, and I can lazily use it so long as I remember to plug the charge-pack thing in every day or so, using the same micro-USB I use to charge my phone (less wires. Yay.)
Sure, I could probably get better vapor, lower cost, etc. going with one of the mini-hookah monstrosities, but it isn't nearly as convenient, and if there's one thing I don't want to expend extra effort for in my life it's a vice.
If you order in bulk-ish from their site (4+ packs of cartomizers at a time) it's a pretty good mix of convenience, price, and quality, with the added bonus you can buy refills at a lot of retail locations if you forget to re-order. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8440
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Posted - 2013.07.20 08:44:00 -
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PopeUrban wrote:Vape snobs will tell you that branded cartomizers are inferior, you should make your own, etc. but I'll say that I've been using that BLU kit for about three months now and I've become accustomed to it in the same manner as I was smokes. I can change batteries mindlessly in the car, it's a thing to fidget with at my desk, and I can lazily use it so long as I remember to plug the charge-pack thing in every day or so, using the same micro-USB I use to charge my phone (less wires. Yay.)
Sure, I could probably get better vapor, lower cost, etc. going with one of the mini-hookah monstrosities, but it isn't nearly as convenient, and if there's one thing I don't want to expend extra effort for in my life it's a vice.
Vendor lock-in and low battery life are not something I consider convenient. You don't need some monster battery tube mod with a custom coiled and wicked rebuildable atomizer to have a good vape. A $20 variable voltage battery and $5-10 tank atomizer are convenient, easy to work with and have superior battery life to any cigalike, not to mention the fact that you get a much wider range of flavors, nicotine strengths and VG/PG ratios to choose from. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion
19
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Posted - 2013.07.20 17:35:00 -
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Andski wrote:PopeUrban wrote:Vape snobs will tell you that branded cartomizers are inferior, you should make your own, etc. but I'll say that I've been using that BLU kit for about three months now and I've become accustomed to it in the same manner as I was smokes. I can change batteries mindlessly in the car, it's a thing to fidget with at my desk, and I can lazily use it so long as I remember to plug the charge-pack thing in every day or so, using the same micro-USB I use to charge my phone (less wires. Yay.)
Sure, I could probably get better vapor, lower cost, etc. going with one of the mini-hookah monstrosities, but it isn't nearly as convenient, and if there's one thing I don't want to expend extra effort for in my life it's a vice. Vendor lock-in and low battery life are not something I consider convenient. You don't need some monster battery tube mod with a custom coiled and wicked rebuildable atomizer to have a good vape. A $20 variable voltage battery and $5-10 tank atomizer are convenient, easy to work with and have superior battery life to any cigalike, not to mention the fact that you get a much wider range of flavors, nicotine strengths and VG/PG ratios to choose from.
Actually, the vendor lock-in is one of the larger convenience things. It sounds stupid, but the fact is, if I **** up and forget an order, or don't bring extra cartomizers to work or whatever (and I do this, a lot) I can be at a retailer that has those vendor locked in cartomizers in a couple minutes. I haven't really experienced battery life problems with the setup I have now. Keep the "pack" charged and a fresh batt is ready to go when I've tapped out the one in use.
Not that its necessarily superior just that, from a certain perspective there are a few advantages. |

Jayem See
Biohazard.
656
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Posted - 2013.07.20 23:20:00 -
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I bought a version of the E-Lites cigarette today. It's not a nicotine one - it's a "strawberry" shisha flavour.
God-damn that is some tasty smoking pleasure. I've always like shisha though so I may be biased. Aaaaaaand relax. |

Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30072
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Posted - 2013.09.02 12:45:00 -
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So..just smoking my brand new e cigarette for the first time.
Two weeks ago I hurt my foot, one of my toes turned dark blue with a slight dark gray crust. While the foot is still warm, I should be too young and I can still feel the pulses in my foot, there is still the nagging fear that it could be a smoker's leg nonetheless. So, instead of brushing this all aside, I thought it might be smarter to flow with my fears and quit smoking as long as it scares the living daylight out of me.
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Holy moly, I think I overdosed on the nicotine oil....
but at least it's working  Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
82
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:31:00 -
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I found it can be a bit tricky getting the dose right at the start as there wasn't any info that I could find so it was just a try it and see approach for me.
Taking 3 - 4 deep inhales every half hour or so seems to work ok with the 10-Motives E-cigarette and a refill lasts about a day and a half and is supposed to be roughly equivalent to 25 normal smokes. So as long as getting about that much use out of each refill it's like being on a 25 a day habit.
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Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30099
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:38:00 -
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voetius wrote: I found it can be a bit tricky getting the dose right at the start as there wasn't any info that I could find so it was just a try it and see approach for me.
Taking 3 - 4 deep inhales every half hour or so seems to work ok with the 10-Motives E-cigarette and a refill lasts about a day and a half and is supposed to be roughly equivalent to 25 normal smokes. So as long as getting about that much use out of each refill it's like being on a 25 a day habit.
Haha, yeah, I figured that out myself now the hard way. 2-4 inhales are enough. I was thinking of normal cigarettes and sucking on mine for 5 minutes straight, also expecting to "smoke" until the whole refill was used up- no wonder I had vertigo, headache and nausea.  Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1803
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:13:00 -
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There are some days when I go through almost 4 ml of ~24 mg/ml liquid. Especially when I just sit around idling or doing boring, menial tasks. Or when out on a social event. And there are other days when I barely use up 1 ml of ~18 mg/ml liquid. That's usually in the days when I run around like a headless chicken and have no time or outright forget about the vaping.
On average, I'm at about 2 ml of ~20 mg/ml liquid per day (I always mix my own 10 ml batches out of several commercial varieties plus a few drops of various additives, depending on availability and my tastes that week). That's more or less the equivalent of almost 3 packs from the type of regular cigarettes I used to smoke before.
Each puff has a different duration, and there's no standard interval between puffs. I just take one (or a few) whenever I feel like it, and how much I feel like inhaling. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13092
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:29:00 -
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I'm seriously tempted by e-cigs, I've tried to give up cold turkey and just couldn't do it. There's a vape shop in town, reading through this thread I may just pay them a visit tomorrow.
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