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Alara IonStorm
5200
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:11:00 -
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Hey I am looking to get nicotine E-Cigarettes in Canada. Does anyone know a site that sells and ships nicotine E-cigs here?
Something cheap would be preferable so I can try it and I am not out a lot if it gets seized. |

Rotten Tuna
VSP Corp.
317
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:51:00 -
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For disposable ecigs, I'd probably recommend the NJOY King. In the US, you can get them from a lot of different stores, but I'm not sure about Canada. You can order from their website, but they're more expensive than in the store. My local drugstore sells them for about $7 each and the NJOY website sells for $9 each.
They're surprisingly good for a disposable. I had to buy one when I ran out of juice and neglected to order more ahead of time a few weeks ago.
NJOY website
A review of the NJOY by Grimm Green
Personally, I use a Provari Mini with a Joyetech 510 atomizer. It's a variable voltage ecig (meaning you can adjust the power to suit your vaping experience) and one of the best on the market.
Provari Mini
If you need anymore ecig info, just ask and I can point you in the right direction! |

Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:29:00 -
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I don't have anything to say about e-cigarettes, I know next to nothing about it, but I presume you are trying to quit smoking?
After 20 years I've quit recently (though I wasn't really a super-hardcore smoker), and it's been tough, but it feels so good. I picked on chewing piles of gum instead of e-cigs to help out when the cravings got pretty bad, but so far I'm handling it.
It's also been hard trying to ignore my mind attempting to fool myself ("You can get away with having just a few pufs, that's it, and then smoke no more"). But on times when the temptation was getting too big to handle, I would inject some needed motivation by googling about all the hineous effects smoking tobacco has on your body.
Damn, it's been a month since my last cigarette and just 30 minutes ago I was feeling once again the back of my head screaming for a smoke.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, good luck, keep it up and take care, it's worth it. |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1981
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:12:00 -
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I don't know about up there but our smoke shops around here regularly sell them now. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |

Daniel Whateley
37
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:15:00 -
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It's going to be really hard for you to get e-cigs to canada, i thought they banned them there for importing? i'm going to be getting my mum or dad the elusion e-cig's, but it says not for sale to canada and US... which i find really weird, i'm guessing it's law that you cant import them |

Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
19864
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:47:00 -
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Minnesota just passed a tax increase on cigarettes and now they're up to $8 a pack.
Thanks a lot, motherf**kers!
Will be looking into E-Cigs as well. Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ UNBAN SAEDE!-á ALICE SAKI FOR OOPE MODERATOR!-á Make it so! |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1981
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Posted - 2013.07.04 15:14:00 -
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Random McNally wrote:Minnesota just passed a tax increase on cigarettes and now they're up to $8 a pack.
Thanks a lot, motherf**kers!
Will be looking into E-Cigs as well.
Part of the reason why I switched to pipe tobacco. I can pick up a 12 oz bag for $25 and that will last me weeks. The unfortunate downside however is that I think it's worse at permeating clothes which becomes very noticeable when it gets hot like it is now. I've taken up carrying a bottle of Febreeze to hose myself down with if it starts getting bad. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |

Fearghaz Tiwas
ZOMBIEBEACHPARTYPATROL Circle-Of-Two
20
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Posted - 2013.07.04 16:32:00 -
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Just thought I'd chuck my hat in here. I use E-lites in the UK and have been off the cigs now since new years. I found that with gum, I'd really struggle to not smoke when I drank, especially when all my mates smoke. I've even found that I can have the odd one here and there (when i've forgotten my e-cig or whatever) and been able to stop again the next day. They aren't the ideal tool for ridding yourself of the addiction, but I have certainly felt a lot healthier since I made the switch.
Have to say though, that a few of my mates have tried doing the same thing, and pretty much failed. I put it down to an attitude thing. I really didn't want to smoke fags anymore.
Also, just to let you know, a pack of 20 has been nearly -ú8.00 in the uk for a while now. How people can keep up a 20 a day habit on low incomes baffles me |

Throktar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
30
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Posted - 2013.07.04 16:38:00 -
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I vape now and it is great! You can use it anywhere and no bad smells. I have mine with 20 on the nicotine scale and it will not make me want to smoke...to much. It works and is great, but do not get the ones that look like cigarettes. The battery and the amount of vapor you get is pathetic. Spend the cash and get one of the kits for about 100 bucks that has big batteries and the vaporizer can hold about 4 to 6 packs worth of hits. It is worth the initial investment and your lungs will thank you.
Where I get mine. STL Vapor
PS get the batteries that have the 3 day charge! Trust me |

Kristopher Rocancourt
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
152
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:21:00 -
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man-up and quit cold turkey. people that say its impossible have no spine. Proud member of MYM8 Jita Police.
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Alara IonStorm
5200
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:35:00 -
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Okay thanks for the links, I will check those out. I bought a non nicotine disposable to get the feel of it, it is not bad at all. Anyone actually got them inside Canada?
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Rotten Tuna
VSP Corp.
317
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:11:00 -
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Here's a link to the Canada section of the ECF site, you might be able to find for info there- clicky! |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1981
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:40:00 -
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Kristopher Rocancourt wrote:man-up and quit cold turkey. people that say its impossible have no spine.
What does a horrible crippling defect have to do with smoking? Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1761
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:17:00 -
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Google makes this one show up a lot : http://www.canadaecigs.ca Can't speak about reliability since I live on the other side of the globe.
Side-note, 644 days since I last smoked tobacco and started vaping. Only wanted to quit smoking, NEVER wanted to quit nicotine, was just looking for a less damaging delivery method. All nasty side-effects of smoking are gone (at least as far as I can notice), but probably doing double the nicotine I used to with ciggies, if not more. Awesome.
Using almost exclusively pure (or nearly pure) PG base liquids (VG ? yuck!) with nicotine concentrations usually between 18 and 24 mg/ml (sometimes higher), consuming usually between 2 and 3 ml/day. Started with tobacco-like flavours, passed on to almost exclusively fruity/sweet aromas soon afterwards and kept on going. Personal favs are mixes of ~25-30% "Red Bull", ~25-30% "Honey", 5-10% mint, 3-5% vanilla, rest random fruity flavour(s) (grape, peach, strawberry, watermelon, cherry). 1000 mAh USB passthrough variable voltage (4+ V usually) batteries, serviceable LR (usually 1.8 ohm) cleartomizers. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
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Rain6636
Team Evil
620
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Posted - 2013.07.04 21:24:00 -
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my roommate gave me a usb rechargeable one... Joyetech 510/510T ...comes with two batteries. hasn't failed--except I think he gave me a different type of fluid thing (the 'not-battery' half), and the combination is perfect.
I wasn't aware there were issues getting this product into Canada. good luck.
side note: I started using these in 2009 before anyone knew what they were. had to endure the weird looks from my platoon, etc. now everyone uses it and i feel like a poseur. you can't win Free Thanatos Raffle-Lottery? ...Thing? |

Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2237
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:05:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote: pipe tobacco.
This. |

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1275
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:09:00 -
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Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:I don't have anything to say about e-cigarettes, I know next to nothing about it, but I presume you are trying to quit smoking?
After 20 years I've quit recently (though I wasn't really a super-hardcore smoker), and it's been tough, but it feels so good. I picked on chewing piles of gum instead of e-cigs to help out when the cravings got pretty bad, but so far I'm handling it.
It's also been hard trying to ignore my mind attempting to fool myself ("You can get away with having just a few pufs, that's it, and then smoke no more"). But on times when the temptation was getting too big to handle, I would inject some needed motivation by googling about all the hineous effects smoking tobacco has on your body.
Damn, it's been a month since my last cigarette and just 30 minutes ago I was feeling once again the back of my head screaming for a smoke.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, good luck, keep it up and take care, it's worth it. Well done mate, stick with it. I know those "You can get away with having just a few puffs" thoughts. Thinking that got me smoking again after quitting for a month. Hang in there, you're past the worst part of it. |

Zane Tekitsu
D.I.C.A.D. Solutions
31
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:48:00 -
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I cant tell you anything about Canada, but the 3 cartons worth of cash I have invested in the myriad of batteries, carts, and accessories I have is well worth it. I use a modified 510 style 220ma 'battery,' and even with basic carts, and juice, it smokes cool and smooth like shisha. One word of warning, don't get the juice called "Camel" for it tastes of ass. |

Daniel Whateley
39
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:01:00 -
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Just a friendly reminder, i noticed some people said that it doesn't help you give up, it's not designed for that, it's to replace the smoke with vapour.
Also i just bought an elusion e-cig, it'll be here in a couple days for my father which has smoked since he's been 18 and now is in his late 50's, he's very interested, and since a pack of smokes in australia is AUD$23, which is UK 11, and USD$22... these e-cigs would probably save $17 per cartridge, which would be a good $10k minimum a year.
You can get them in canada and US, where it's usually banned to purchase or import to, but you have to find somewhere that will sell them to canada or US, i've been looking and haven't found anything yet, most of the sites i come across says "we do not ship to canada or US" but strangely they'll ship to the UK, i guess the laws there aren't as strict, i know the state i live in has banned local sale of them... which i understand is only in place cause they can't tax the nicotine, which i think is just stupid. |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
365
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:08:00 -
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Anything more healthy than a cigarette that gets a cigarette out of your hands is probably a good thing.
That said,
when I was trying to quit smoking I tried these things and they gave me a pretty good shortness of breath. I also noticed if I wasn't careful I'd get a bit too much nicotine (which makes you feel terrible and can't be healthy)
So, they weren't for me. But I have at least a half dozen friends that have been using them successfully and happily and haven't looked back at smokes.
I quit cold turkey. I don't remember how long it's been (not the type to count months or weeks) but I know it's been over a year. *fingers crossed* |

Fear Near
A Clockwork AFK
1
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:15:00 -
[21] - Quote
What is the point of smoking if there's no smoke? Tell me when there's Eblowsmokefrommymouth |

Zane Tekitsu
D.I.C.A.D. Solutions
31
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:13:00 -
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Fear Near wrote:What is the point of smoking if there's no smoke? Tell me when there's Eblowsmokefrommymouth
I should mention that this setup I have produces a volume of vapor not unlike that of a good cigar. I tend to blow smoke rings.  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8371
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Posted - 2013.07.06 06:10:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Hey I am looking to get nicotine E-Cigarettes in Canada. Does anyone know a site that sells and ships nicotine E-cigs here?
Something cheap would be preferable so I can try it and I am not out a lot if it gets seized.
http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/wiki/supplier_list#wiki_canada
I suggest getting something with variable voltage, along with a clearomizer. The iTaste MVP has a 2600mAh li-poly battery that lasts several days without charging, and in an emergency you can even use the thing to charge your phone. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1761
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Posted - 2013.07.06 10:37:00 -
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Daniel Whateley wrote:Just a friendly reminder, i noticed some people said that it doesn't help you give up, it's not designed for that, it's to replace the smoke with vapour. Technically correct.
HOWEVER
Cigarette addiction has several different "action paths" besides pure nicotine (in fact, some of the other cigarette smoke compounds have a much stronger short-term effect). By switching to "JUST nicotine" vaping, you lower your dependence on the other factors, so if you ever actually decide to quit nicotine altogether, it's easier than doing it "cold turkey" from a cigarette-smoker start.
Also, if you do want to quit, it's a lot easier to gradually reduce the nicotine intake, because you can maintain a steady "draw" rhythm while reducing the nicotine concentration in the liquid you use, so you can actually also side-step the "hand to mouth to get a smoke" behavioral habit-breaking difficulty.
Basically, IF you do want to quit eventually, by transitioning through a vaping period first, it makes it less difficult But if you DO NOT want to quit nicotine (I'm in that camp myself, I *want* nicotine for personal reasons), it offers a less health-damaging alternative to smoking cigarettes, which is also an easier one to transition to (and in many places cheaper) than nicotine patches.
Fear Near wrote:What is the point of smoking if there's no smoke? There's enough vapor that looks sufficiently like smoke, but with a few extra "cool party trick" benefits. Like, for instance, being able to blow a semi-permanent "mad scientist"-like dense fog-like layer in a glass on top of your drink.
Side-note, my nicotine intake has roughly doubled from my earlier days of cigarette smoking, but my "nicotine budget" has gone down by at least 80%. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T Build your own EVE PC http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1559734 |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8372
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Posted - 2013.07.06 10:56:00 -
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Akita T wrote:There's enough vapor that looks sufficiently like smoke, but with a few extra "cool party trick" benefits. Like, for instance, being able to blow a semi-permanent "mad scientist"-like dense fog-like layer in a glass on top of your drink.
Side-note, my nicotine intake has roughly doubled from my earlier days of cigarette smoking, but my "nicotine budget" has gone down by at least 80%.
Or use an RBA with a stainless steel mesh wick wrapped in a low-resistance coil with 100% VG liquid, if you want to be a fog machine at least. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2412
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:10:00 -
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Akita T wrote: Side-note, my nicotine intake has roughly doubled from my earlier days of cigarette smoking, but my "nicotine budget" has gone down by at least 80%.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1761
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Posted - 2013.07.06 23:23:00 -
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Tumahub wrote:Akita T wrote: Side-note, my nicotine intake has roughly doubled from my earlier days of cigarette smoking, but my "nicotine budget" has gone down by at least 80%.
 All prices are local prices.
I used to smoke about 30 Pall Mall Lights (~1.5 packs of 20) per day, each cigarette containing 0.6 mg of nicotine, and a pack costs the rough equivalent of about 3.5 USD. So, in 30 days, I was spending roughly 150 USD and consuming about 540 mg of nicotine.
Now I'm vaping 60-75 ml per month at a concentration of 20-22 mg/ml average. That's between 1200 and 1650 mg of nicotine per month, more than double (almost triple possibly). A 30ml bottle costs under 10 USD (usually under 9 USD), so that's 18-25 USD/month for the liquid, let's say 22 USD. A decent battery that lasts at least a year costs under 35 USD, so let's say 3 USD per month. My current favourite cartomizers cost about 8 USD a piece and 3 USD for a heating element replacement kit. I use cleaning dry-burns every 5-6 days or so, replace the heating element every month, and the cartomizer itself every 3 months, so that's under 5 USD/month average. Grand total costs, call it about 30 USD/month.
So, nicotine from 0.5g up to 1.2-1.6g, price from 150 USD down to 30 USD => double/triple nicotine at -80% cost. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2433
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Posted - 2013.07.06 23:42:00 -
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Very informative. Thanks Akita. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1762
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Posted - 2013.07.06 23:47:00 -
[29] - Quote
If you use USA/Canada cigarette pack prices and manage to find similar-priced vaping gear (it should not be a lot more expensive over there), you might even be looking at a higher total cost reduction. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2435
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:03:00 -
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I think that I am still comfortably under the price level.
I buy locally grown tobacco, so it depends on what's on offer. Sometimes I'll get the more expensive pipe tobacco, other times I'll forgo smoking a while and get the chaw. I never have to spend more than $5 for a week's supply, so I'm getting off quite easy compared to the poor bastards dealing with importation and sin-tax.
Having said that, the ecig could be just the ticket for business meetings where smelling like a chimney and/or spitting would be frowned upon.  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8380
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:13:00 -
[31] - Quote
You can literally buy this: http://i.imgur.com/uWTbgoc.jpg Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2436
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:25:00 -
[32] - Quote
Do want. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1762
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Posted - 2013.07.07 10:32:00 -
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Slight derail...
Ever since I bought my own first e-cig set, I haven't even drawn a single "first hand" puff of tobacco smoke, and I've only been significantly tempted to try a cigarette in the first couple of weeks (but not enough to actually do it, even if I had an already open and nearly full pack on hand as a standby - I still have that pack somewhere, heh, it must be all dried out by now).
Then again, I started vaping for the first few days using uber-heavy-duty clear liquid (pure PG, no aroma whatsoever, nicotine content 36mg/ml), so I was chock-full of nicotine constantly anyway. Other people start with tobacco-like flavours of mild nicotine concentrations, and end up kind of unsatisfied in several different ways because of it (not enough nicotine, flavour too different from actual cigarettes, while also having high expectations). I'd recommend anybody to start with the HIGHEST nicotine concentration they can find (and thats usually found in base liquids from DIY kits - you can add any flavours you like).
It only took about 1 month to start being mildly bothered by the smell of cigarette smoke nearby after I've switched to vaping, and in 6 months, it's as if I would have never been a smoker myself. And I don't mean bothered in the sense of craving it, but in the sense of being repulsed by it. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
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Alice Saki
Full Spectrum Hairdresser Pirates
69600
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Posted - 2013.07.07 12:48:00 -
[34] - Quote
...I tried these I think they are rubbish :|
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8387
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:25:00 -
[35] - Quote
Alice Saki wrote:...I tried these I think they are rubbish :|
Taste is subjective obviously but if you bought it at a corner store or pharmacy, of course it's going to be garbage. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Alara IonStorm
5206
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:34:00 -
[36] - Quote
Thank you for the list Andski and everyone else for the advice, I'm learning a lot from this thread.
Especially on setting limits on how much I use, I puffed away the disposable non nicotine one fast since I did not have to go outside. |

Kaahles
Retarded Extemely Dangerous The Predictables
25
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:07:00 -
[37] - Quote
Oookay... I've seen some very strange self made atomizers and battery mods but that thing is just golden :o I want one!
oh btw repairable atomizers are another awesome thing since the material for the heating coil and wick are dirt cheap and you can influence the amount of vapor, throat hit and flavor intensity yourself. Pretty much like fitting internet space ships. Running a "low-flavor-intensive smoke grenade" here. However that "smoke grenade" has the same problem with liquid which minmatar have with ammo. It burns through it like a mofo.
ninja edit: however those bad boys are not really the best thing to start with because they are so darn expensive and it usually takes some time until you figure out how to actually create a good heating coil. In addition with using disposable atomizers/cartomizers first you got sort of a reference point of how things are supposed to work. |

Totalrx
NA No Assholes
107
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Posted - 2013.07.08 12:43:00 -
[38] - Quote
Get an ego 510 (or 510 compatible) 900mAh battery starter kit. Throw in a 900mAh pass through battery. Get a couple of T3 tanks and pick up extra carts (elements) for them.
Best juice I have found for throat hit and vapor produced is vaporstaton. Partial to Tennessee myself, but also can dig Tampa, Texas, Frisco, and RY4. All sell for $14 for a 30mL bottle.
Batteries last all day and the pass through can be used while you are Eve'ing it.
The vapor that simple set up produces for me is equivalent to when I smoked. A little pricey on the initial investment, but not spending $ on analog cigs adds up real quick and that investment is quickly recovered. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8402
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Posted - 2013.07.09 18:17:00 -
[39] - Quote
Totalrx wrote:Get an ego 510 (or 510 compatible) 900mAh battery starter kit. Throw in a 900mAh pass through battery. Get a couple of T3 tanks and pick up extra carts (elements) for them.
Best juice I have found for throat hit and vapor produced is vaporstaton. Partial to Tennessee myself, but also can dig Tampa, Texas, Frisco, and RY4. All sell for $14 for a 30mL bottle.
Batteries last all day and the pass through can be used while you are Eve'ing it.
The vapor that simple set up produces for me is equivalent to when I smoked. A little pricey on the initial investment, but not spending $ on analog cigs adds up real quick and that investment is quickly recovered.
You can get 50mL bottles from ECBlends and Mount Baker Vapor for $10-15 apiece. Also, eGo pass-throughs are "okay" but I personally prefer a 1300mAh Vision Spinner (eGo Twist clone, not passthrough, but it's better than the Joyetech one IMO) or an iTaste MVP which is a bit pricier but it can charge in pass-through mode and it has much better battery capacity to boot. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
65
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:54:00 -
[40] - Quote
Fear Near wrote:What is the point of smoking if there's no smoke? Tell me when there's Eblowsmokefrommymouth
I'm on Day 2 of trying the e-cigs and I like them. You can blow smoke from them, they are pretty much identical to "real" cigs except for the fact that they are a bit heavier.
I was thinking about trying them but this thread tipped me over the edge, so thanks to Akita and Andski and everyone else that spent some time talking about the subject.
Just to add one point, as opposed to gum, patches, microtabs, lozenges, etc, the difference for me is that you get the instant hit of inhaling. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8403
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:26:00 -
[41] - Quote
voetius wrote:I'm on Day 2 of trying the e-cigs and I like them. You can blow smoke from them, they are pretty much identical to "real" cigs except for the fact that they are a bit heavier.
I was thinking about trying them but this thread tipped me over the edge, so thanks to Akita and Andski and everyone else that spent some time talking about the subject.
Just to add one point, as opposed to gum, patches, microtabs, lozenges, etc, the difference for me is that you get the instant hit of inhaling.
Awesome, what kit did you get? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
24768
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:38:00 -
[42] - Quote
I was attending an addiction research convention last weekend, they talked very extensively about E-cigarettes. Seems like the tobacco industry considers the whole field a complete new market and all the major corporations are rushing into it now- expect to see lots of E-cigarette related products in the coming months and a healthy competition that will drive down the prices. Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
65
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Posted - 2013.07.10 07:48:00 -
[43] - Quote
@Andski, I've just started to get my feet wet as it were, so I have bought a couple of disposables. The nice lady in Tesco informed me when I bought them that it was cheaper to buy the rechargeable and I will do that once I have used up the last disposable.
Good to know there will be more competition Zimmy, I hope there is a bit more information out there as well, as I found it hard to get any sensible info on what options I had so I just had a look at the ones my local Tesco stocked and picked one more or less at random. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8405
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:30:00 -
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voetius wrote: @Andski, I've just started to get my feet wet as it were, so I have bought a couple of disposables. The nice lady in Tesco informed me when I bought them that it was cheaper to buy the rechargeable and I will do that once I have used up the last disposable.
Cig-alikes are alright but their battery life is awful. Use up your disposables, sure, but you'll be better off with a starter kit that includes a high-capacity battery (650 mAh or better, 1000+ will last you more than a day) and a clearo than with a rechargeable cig-alike kit that uses pre-filled cartridges with limited flavor options.
Here's a list of vendors: http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/wiki/supplier_list#wiki_uk Twitter: @EVEAndski
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voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
66
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:39:00 -
[45] - Quote
cool thanks for the link  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8406
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:20:00 -
[46] - Quote
I've created an in-game channel, EVEVapers. Feel free to join to talk about e-cigs, vaping or whatever, especially if you're curious about it. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
16746
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:54:00 -
[47] - Quote
I've been using Socialities for a few months now and I'm down to one or two real cigs a week... they ship world wide, as far as I know. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Alice Saki
TAFF AS NAILS
70732
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:25:00 -
[48] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:I've been using Socialities for a few months now and I'm down to one or two real cigs a week... they ship world wide, as far as I know.
Do they really feel and taste like Ciggys?
Cause that's what put me off them, I found they had no kick.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
16766
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:50:00 -
[49] - Quote
Alice Saki wrote:Do they really feel and taste like Ciggys?
Cause that's what put me off them, I found they had no kick.
Well... kinda. They have a kick to them, but it's not smoke, and that's noticeable... it's more sweetish. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1768
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:56:00 -
[50] - Quote
Alice Saki wrote:Do they really feel and taste like Ciggys? Cause that's what put me off them, I found they had no kick. Bases: VG = Vegetable Glycerin ; PG = Propylene Glycol Both are widely used as additives in cosmetics, foods, etc. Both are transparent, oily liquids, in which nicotine and flavours can be incorporated easily. Both have a very long shelf life if properly stored sealed, and still a respectable shelf life even in less optimal storage conditions after opening.
Liquids use as base either pure PG, pure VG, or a mix of both (most common ratios of PG-VG in commercial liquids are 90-10, 80-20 and 60-40). There are also a couple of less commonly used bases for the liquids, but I won't get into those much (I'll just briefly mention one, PEG = Polyethylene glycol).
VG
Advantages: - plenty of thick vapour - practically no chance of allergic reactions - slight lubricative action (can also be a disadvantage, can lead to phlegm build-up for some)
Disadvantages: - weak "throat hit" (can be an advantage for some) - leaves a lot of difficult to clean up residue rather fast - chance of phlegm build-up - distinctive sweet-ish taste that slightly changes and/or masks whatever aroma you're using
PG
Advantages: - low residue buildup, which is also relatively easy to clean - does not affect the taste nor smell of whatever aroma you are using - strong "throat hit" (can be an disadvantage for some, it can in some cases lead to some degree of soreness if abused)
Disadvantages: - slight mouth-drying effect (easily manageable with a sip of water) - low visual vapour production - chance of (very) mild allergic reaction for a very small (low single digit) percentage of the population http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
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Hrothgar Nilsson
380
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:58:00 -
[51] - Quote
A lot of e-cigs are just re-brands. I bought the Volcano brand a couple years back, not bad at all, and very reasonably priced. I think they were basically a re-brand of Blu.
Can't help OP with the question of where to get them in Canada, but I'm sure Google knows. Or just get them imported from the US. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

PopeUrban
El Expedicion
19
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:03:00 -
[52] - Quote
I grabbed the basic BLU kit on a whim at a walgreens and was pretty happy with it, but as a pack a day smoker looking to transition to a healthier nicotine delivery medium, I quickly found out the batteries were ****.
That said, after trying some other brands I really did like BLU's juice, so I went ahead and got their premium 100 kit from their site and a buncha cartomizers. That kit has larger cartomizers and higher capacity/quicker charging batteries that you don't have to screw or plug in to anything, they charger is a spring loaded dealy in the pack that I've found to be pretty reliable and fast to use.
Vape snobs will tell you that branded cartomizers are inferior, you should make your own, etc. but I'll say that I've been using that BLU kit for about three months now and I've become accustomed to it in the same manner as I was smokes. I can change batteries mindlessly in the car, it's a thing to fidget with at my desk, and I can lazily use it so long as I remember to plug the charge-pack thing in every day or so, using the same micro-USB I use to charge my phone (less wires. Yay.)
Sure, I could probably get better vapor, lower cost, etc. going with one of the mini-hookah monstrosities, but it isn't nearly as convenient, and if there's one thing I don't want to expend extra effort for in my life it's a vice.
If you order in bulk-ish from their site (4+ packs of cartomizers at a time) it's a pretty good mix of convenience, price, and quality, with the added bonus you can buy refills at a lot of retail locations if you forget to re-order. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8440
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Posted - 2013.07.20 08:44:00 -
[53] - Quote
PopeUrban wrote:Vape snobs will tell you that branded cartomizers are inferior, you should make your own, etc. but I'll say that I've been using that BLU kit for about three months now and I've become accustomed to it in the same manner as I was smokes. I can change batteries mindlessly in the car, it's a thing to fidget with at my desk, and I can lazily use it so long as I remember to plug the charge-pack thing in every day or so, using the same micro-USB I use to charge my phone (less wires. Yay.)
Sure, I could probably get better vapor, lower cost, etc. going with one of the mini-hookah monstrosities, but it isn't nearly as convenient, and if there's one thing I don't want to expend extra effort for in my life it's a vice.
Vendor lock-in and low battery life are not something I consider convenient. You don't need some monster battery tube mod with a custom coiled and wicked rebuildable atomizer to have a good vape. A $20 variable voltage battery and $5-10 tank atomizer are convenient, easy to work with and have superior battery life to any cigalike, not to mention the fact that you get a much wider range of flavors, nicotine strengths and VG/PG ratios to choose from. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion
19
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Posted - 2013.07.20 17:35:00 -
[54] - Quote
Andski wrote:PopeUrban wrote:Vape snobs will tell you that branded cartomizers are inferior, you should make your own, etc. but I'll say that I've been using that BLU kit for about three months now and I've become accustomed to it in the same manner as I was smokes. I can change batteries mindlessly in the car, it's a thing to fidget with at my desk, and I can lazily use it so long as I remember to plug the charge-pack thing in every day or so, using the same micro-USB I use to charge my phone (less wires. Yay.)
Sure, I could probably get better vapor, lower cost, etc. going with one of the mini-hookah monstrosities, but it isn't nearly as convenient, and if there's one thing I don't want to expend extra effort for in my life it's a vice. Vendor lock-in and low battery life are not something I consider convenient. You don't need some monster battery tube mod with a custom coiled and wicked rebuildable atomizer to have a good vape. A $20 variable voltage battery and $5-10 tank atomizer are convenient, easy to work with and have superior battery life to any cigalike, not to mention the fact that you get a much wider range of flavors, nicotine strengths and VG/PG ratios to choose from.
Actually, the vendor lock-in is one of the larger convenience things. It sounds stupid, but the fact is, if I **** up and forget an order, or don't bring extra cartomizers to work or whatever (and I do this, a lot) I can be at a retailer that has those vendor locked in cartomizers in a couple minutes. I haven't really experienced battery life problems with the setup I have now. Keep the "pack" charged and a fresh batt is ready to go when I've tapped out the one in use.
Not that its necessarily superior just that, from a certain perspective there are a few advantages. |

Jayem See
Biohazard.
656
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Posted - 2013.07.20 23:20:00 -
[55] - Quote
I bought a version of the E-Lites cigarette today. It's not a nicotine one - it's a "strawberry" shisha flavour.
God-damn that is some tasty smoking pleasure. I've always like shisha though so I may be biased. Aaaaaaand relax. |

Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30072
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Posted - 2013.09.02 12:45:00 -
[56] - Quote
So..just smoking my brand new e cigarette for the first time.
Two weeks ago I hurt my foot, one of my toes turned dark blue with a slight dark gray crust. While the foot is still warm, I should be too young and I can still feel the pulses in my foot, there is still the nagging fear that it could be a smoker's leg nonetheless. So, instead of brushing this all aside, I thought it might be smarter to flow with my fears and quit smoking as long as it scares the living daylight out of me.
...
Holy moly, I think I overdosed on the nicotine oil....
but at least it's working  Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
82
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
I found it can be a bit tricky getting the dose right at the start as there wasn't any info that I could find so it was just a try it and see approach for me.
Taking 3 - 4 deep inhales every half hour or so seems to work ok with the 10-Motives E-cigarette and a refill lasts about a day and a half and is supposed to be roughly equivalent to 25 normal smokes. So as long as getting about that much use out of each refill it's like being on a 25 a day habit.
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Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30099
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:38:00 -
[58] - Quote
voetius wrote: I found it can be a bit tricky getting the dose right at the start as there wasn't any info that I could find so it was just a try it and see approach for me.
Taking 3 - 4 deep inhales every half hour or so seems to work ok with the 10-Motives E-cigarette and a refill lasts about a day and a half and is supposed to be roughly equivalent to 25 normal smokes. So as long as getting about that much use out of each refill it's like being on a 25 a day habit.
Haha, yeah, I figured that out myself now the hard way. 2-4 inhales are enough. I was thinking of normal cigarettes and sucking on mine for 5 minutes straight, also expecting to "smoke" until the whole refill was used up- no wonder I had vertigo, headache and nausea.  Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1803
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:13:00 -
[59] - Quote
There are some days when I go through almost 4 ml of ~24 mg/ml liquid. Especially when I just sit around idling or doing boring, menial tasks. Or when out on a social event. And there are other days when I barely use up 1 ml of ~18 mg/ml liquid. That's usually in the days when I run around like a headless chicken and have no time or outright forget about the vaping.
On average, I'm at about 2 ml of ~20 mg/ml liquid per day (I always mix my own 10 ml batches out of several commercial varieties plus a few drops of various additives, depending on availability and my tastes that week). That's more or less the equivalent of almost 3 packs from the type of regular cigarettes I used to smoke before.
Each puff has a different duration, and there's no standard interval between puffs. I just take one (or a few) whenever I feel like it, and how much I feel like inhaling. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13092
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:29:00 -
[60] - Quote
I'm seriously tempted by e-cigs, I've tried to give up cold turkey and just couldn't do it. There's a vape shop in town, reading through this thread I may just pay them a visit tomorrow.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8663
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Posted - 2013.09.02 23:18:00 -
[61] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Some nice indepth info, thanks folks. I've just looked at the selection available locally, the CE4 looks to be pretty good, but I'd like some opinions from people more experienced with vaping before I splash out -ú40 on something that might not be any good.
Get this stuff instead:
http://www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product.asp?id=201 http://www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product.asp?id=191 http://www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product.asp?id=99
You get a higher capacity battery that allows you to change the voltage output. The EVOD is also better than a CE4 or clone by far. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1804
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Posted - 2013.09.03 00:34:00 -
[62] - Quote
The e-Go Spinner battery pack seems pretty spiffy, especially the 1300 mAh version (probably lasts more than 2 days if you're not vaping like mad from a full charge), the max voltage of 4.8 must give quite a kick, and you can turn it down if that's too much. However, I personally still prefer the USB pass-through versions, so I can use'em while they charge too (I usually stick the one I use now in my computer's USB front panel once or twice a day to keep it topped up just in case).
For the clearomizer, I'd also get some of the 1.5 Ohm and 2.2 Ohm heads (the default 1.8 is nice too), just so you can combine different resistances with different voltages.
Probably best start with 1 spinner battery, 2 clearomizers, 4 extra spare heads, and at least 6 (preferably more) small (10 ml) bottles of liquid, each of a different flavour (would be best if you could try them first, and DON'T insist on just tobacco-alikes), and with different nicotine contents (don't go under 12 mg/ml, don't go over 36 mg/ml initially), from which AT LEAST one should be pure PG, one pure VG, and the rest whatever base (or mix of bases) you like.
Start with pure commercial liquids, but don't be afraid to experiment with home-made mixes - not just flavours, but also bases and concentrations. You can make the mix right inside the clearomizer tank, pour a bit of each, then just close and shake well before use. Oh, and you don't need to fill the tank. It works just fine even with it mostly empty. Best start with at most a quarter tank, just in case you don't exactly like the liquid you started with. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8663
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Posted - 2013.09.03 00:53:00 -
[63] - Quote
Akita T wrote:Best start with at most a quarter tank, just in case you don't exactly like the liquid you started with.
He could also get one of these as well Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13116
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Posted - 2013.09.03 02:22:00 -
[64] - Quote
Cheers for the advice, I'll bear it in mind when I purchase 
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1805
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Posted - 2013.09.03 02:44:00 -
[65] - Quote
Andski wrote:Akita T wrote:Best start with at most a quarter tank, just in case you don't exactly like the liquid you started with. He could also get one of these as well Drip atomizers are awesome for sampling existing liquids (since you only drip a couple of drops of liquid on it before vaping, and most of it goes poof, plus they're easy to clean) and generally have a nicer feel for the vapour... ...but they are (IMO) a complete pain for long-term frequent usage, which more than decompensates for the other advantages.
I would buy only one of those for myself at most, and use it very infrequently. They would however be very nice to have (free of charge, or for a nominal session fee) in a customer sampling area (where a lot of liquids would be available for testing) - and I've seen a few shops around here doing just that. Of course, you also get your own disposable mouthpiece cover to go along with it. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T Build your own EVE PC http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1559734 |

Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30105
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:32:00 -
[66] - Quote
OK..so far it is working amazingly well. 36 hours after last "regular" cigarette. Normally, I should be a raving lunatic by now and a danger to myself and society. But I ain't even mad. It's the first time that nicotine replacement is actually working for me- nicotine patches and chewing gums did nothing . Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13141
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:21:00 -
[67] - Quote
I went with the EVOD, money is a bit tight so stuck with the 650ma batteries and 1 tobacalike, 1 fruity flavour e-liquid.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13516
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Posted - 2013.09.09 14:19:00 -
[68] - Quote
Day 6, I haven't murdered anybody which is good. This needed a bump because it's so damn helpful.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1806
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Posted - 2013.09.09 22:10:00 -
[69] - Quote
Glad to hear it ;) In a few weeks, you're going to start really disliking regular cigarette smoke smell :) http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T Build your own EVE PC http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1559734 |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8696
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:22:00 -
[70] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Day 6, I haven't murdered anybody which is good. This needed a bump because it's so damn helpful.
Glad it's working out for you. You should definitely consider getting the Spinner at some point, variable voltage is a whole other world. After some time, you'll actually be able to taste food and smell things. Also, don't limit yourself to any specific range of juice: there are a lot of people out there mixing up some delicious stuff that you'll never get tired of.
Oh, and don't chase the nicotine rush with these things. It isn't there and there are cases of people trying to chase it and getting sick as a result. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
87188
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:23:00 -
[71] - Quote
>.> Maybe it is time to try and Stop again...
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Mizhir
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
33964
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:37:00 -
[72] - Quote
Alice Saki wrote:>.> Maybe it is time to try and Stop again...
You can do it! We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |

Neesha Marinn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:45:00 -
[73] - Quote
Stopping? Heck no.
I've stopped for 5 years once, a year as well and a couple months. I was fine cold turkeying myself erry time, but I just really enjoy my smokes. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13690
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:28:00 -
[74] - Quote
Neesha Marinn wrote:Stopping? Heck no.
I've stopped for 5 years once, a year as well and a couple months. I was fine cold turkeying myself erry time, but I just really enjoy my smokes. I don't really have a choice, it's quit smoking or the SO imposes lackonookie on me, evil wench 
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