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Heikki
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Posted - 2005.12.03 05:31:00 -
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Figured I would share my ex-setup and story. A few months ago I started experimenting with smartbomb setups. They proved to be rather effective (that is, profitable), so started flying and tinkering with such setups.
While investing loot profits back to ship modules, I ended up with a 5B after a while, with some 2-3B profits on wallet. So 8B PvP profit from 0.0 corridor camping after few months idling and 1k+ kill mails.
The final setup was (very tight on CPU and Grid):
- Navy Megathron
- 5x9km smarties, 2xNeutralizers, 1xcloak
- 2x15km web, 15km scrambler, Cap booster
- 7xWarp Stab, Nnanofiber
With that setup could insta-blast any ceptor/destroyer/etc insta warping to a gate, even before they dropped out of warp. Also with neutralizers and ranged web, was able to kill lone HACs, and small cruiser groups easily.
Alas, nothing lasts forever. After dozens of frustrated would-be-killers, SA fellows of CopeLand, EinaruS and Digiblast finally caught me from my SS, where I was idling and waiting for a next target (and quickly put up the sale for loot). Respect for them; both for being civilized, and giving me a push towards some new career..
Wondering should I join Guide-hype and write one about Smartbombing; they're still damn annoying, at least ill CCP fixes warping (ships are vulnerable ca. 3km-40km before they finish the warp, and a few seconds after finishing it).
Being statistics freak, in addition to killboard.eve-extra.com stats, I run my perl analyzer to get some lists:
Items: valuables by amount by alphabetic
Victims: by alliances by corps by names
Ships: by classes by types
-Lasse
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CopeLand
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Posted - 2005.12.03 06:04:00 -
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You certainly play the game your way in a quite uniqe and perhaps bizarre way, nevertheless quite interesting and surely profitable in terms of kills and probably loot.
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George Petsch
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Posted - 2005.12.03 08:11:00 -
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I salute you.
Posts like that are a refreshing read, although this combat style is pure evil
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.12.03 08:16:00 -
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7 stabs makes me wanna stab YOU in the face.
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Specture
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Posted - 2005.12.03 08:57:00 -
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how do you die with 7 stabs and when u say Idleing in a safe you mean afk?
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.03 10:34:00 -
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Hahaha explains fuss about you over certain corps forum ________________________________________________________ "@(Hammerhead) but like, I'm not a programmer, I just nerf you guys" |
EinaruS
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Posted - 2005.12.03 11:09:00 -
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Please don't take this as disrespect, just want to clear up the kill.
Heikki has been probably the most successful pvp-er in the corridor, look at his specs, 628kills against 2losses. Trying to catch him before has proven difficult to say the least, he's always aligned, he doesn't show-up if many warp in and he carries so many WCS, only a small fleet with scramblers could catch him.
This kill did not occur by chance.
The truth is, we were there to kill Heikki, we weren't just travelling the corridor of stain or catch, our goal was simple.. kill Heikki. However proceeding to finish the goal was not so simple.
Some time previous to this, one of our members had found Heikkis safespot, which would've been great except that Heikki always cloaked on his safespot and not only that but he never warped into the same location in that exact safespot, so setting up a slingshot would prove difficult.
A decision was taken, only taking 3Battleships and a covert-ops, but with enough warp scrambling power to stop his 7stabs. As soon as we got to the system he's usually in we warped to where he's usually at, oddly enough he had just killed a frigate there. Despite being quite fast we saw him warp off when we were dropping out of it.
After waiting for him for some time we decided to leave and get something else to kill, finally i said to the guys.. hey shouldn't we make another go. Our Covert-ops went to the system in question, we closely behind, The covert-ops warped to his safespot, just in time to see him cloak.. we see the message, "warp in at 20km". Warp in we do.. only to find him cloaked, at this point i honestly thought we wouldn't get him... We launched the drones anyways... and sure as hell, there he uncloaked, we locked and scrambled (for a total of 11 points).
Damn his smartbombs hurt though.. he popped fairly fast considering and my heart is still beating quite fast since seeing the loot.
That is how Heikki got killed even by being cloaked on a safespot, and regardless of loot this is indeed my best kill.
by the way, props to our covert pilot, this is his kill in terms of recognition. Digiblast
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Heikki
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Posted - 2005.12.03 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Specture how do you die with 7 stabs and when u say Idleing in a safe you mean afk?
Predictability kills.
Had a few safespots near target gates; used to half-idle at less secure ones, at full speed aligned towards gate, ready to warp at my bombing spot the moment something appeares in local (or my CovOp alt warned about incoming yummies).
These SA fellows, or their unmentioned Covert Op, had located one of my Safespots earlier. And finally he spots me getting there, and heading towards the gate.
To my doom, I cloaked, just to relax a bit because local was getting a bit too crowded for my taste. So when they came, I was unable to get in to warp fast enough. The battle was quickly over, they were properly prepared: 12 points of scrambling holding me still.
-Lasse who never could fit that 8th warp stab without unacceptable sacrifices.
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Heikki
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Posted - 2005.12.03 11:21:00 -
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Thank you for clearing things up a bit more; kind of curious of details.
Originally by: EinaruS
After waiting for him for some time we decided to leave and get something else to kill
Figure that was quite mandatory step; as long as there were threatening forces in system, I stayed afk and cloaked in safer SS. Once you had left, moved to that now vulnerable place.
Brains still rule over warp stabs, as we saw..
Anyway, guess this was the only proper way to end that kind of career.
-Lasse
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2005.12.03 11:22:00 -
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Personally i think, its lame way of pvp, but hey, its only me :)
Really good job, and unique style of playing. I remember myself screaming to RAT. inties : "Dont warp, let battleships go first - Heikki in local !" .
Congratulations. Really good job. ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust |
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EinaruS
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Posted - 2005.12.03 11:25:00 -
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It was indeed an effective way of pvp-ing.
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EinaruS
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Posted - 2005.12.03 11:41:00 -
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We knew that enemies were incoming so we didn't want to move about too much also, so we stayed safe for the time being but in all honesty we just kind of forgot you were there for a while.. Also the fact we only brought 3xbs was so that you wouldn't be overly suspicious and boy can you use that scanner... oh yeah did you pick up your lootcan?
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Boratz
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Posted - 2005.12.03 11:55:00 -
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Good to hear this story
To those in the Great Wildlands this man has become a legend, only yesterday were we talking about your antics
When Heikki first started this tactic and was heading the weekly kill board I couldnt let him enjoy this without competition , using a scorp trying not be so obvious and to be misleading with an EW ship, i tanked it like a mofo, loaded the highs with sb's and single cruise launcher for any pesky inty's out of range...
Sure enough 63 kills later and more zyd & mega than i knew what to do with this instakill was just too tempting to ignore.
It is not the best method of pvp i agree but it certainly has a place in .0
I tried this tactic out in .4 the other day....sentries went crazy :S
Was fun Heikki!
FS
Boratz
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herculetz
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Posted - 2005.12.03 11:56:00 -
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Heikki is the best at what he does. he got me once and i have a great respect for the man. Hope u'll get back there asap and don't do the same mistake again. Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive!!! |
NATMav
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Posted - 2005.12.03 13:05:00 -
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I ended up on the wrong side of his smartbombs on one occasion in a mistaken-for-hostile incident, and barely escaped. It is indeed a very effective setup. Founder and CEO TribalWar, Inc. |
corporal hicks
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:33:00 -
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Heikki a sad loss mate but hell you went down fighting, played it your way and had fun, the upmost respect from Asuya/Arin and the Council. Was a blast to fly with you at times, all our firgs ect staying 20k away from you to be safe.
I am sure this is not the end of Heikki's bombatron.
" Stay Frosty "
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shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Personally i think, its lame way of pvp, but hey, its only me :)
Normally I would agree, but Heikki used billions and billions' worth of faction items and regardless of the amount of WCS, putting that kind of money on the line gets my respect.
I've tried my best to come up with viable tactic to kill Heikki aswell, but this setup + Covert Ops alt + generally playing smart, really is almost completely fool-proof.
Good job to Einarus & gang for finally pulling it off though, and good luck to Heikki in whatever you do next.
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
With that setup could insta-blast any ceptor/destroyer/etc insta warping to a gate, even before they dropped out of warp. Also with neutralizers and ranged web, was able to kill lone HACs, and small cruiser groups easily.
Just one question..
Wheres the "P" in the vp...
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Digiblast
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:59:00 -
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.03 16:40:00 -
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Congrats, you raised lameness to an art form.
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Espen
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Posted - 2005.12.03 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris Congrats, you raised lameness to an art form.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.03 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 03/12/2005 17:55:47
Originally by: Deja Thoris Congrats, you raised lameness to an art form.
Just run this through babel fish... translated to... 'boohoo I wish I'd thought of it'
btw, gratz... awesome idea and sounds like you had alot of fun. I know digiblast and he's dam good, so not so bad going boom to him
..thinking outside the box ftw
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.12.03 18:58:00 -
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You got easy kills in a smartbombing stabbed up BS. It isnt exactly hard....
Forum worthy?, possibly, as it does seem u caused the area alot of trouble...
Its just the 7 stabs part that leaves a bad taste...
d solo.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.03 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo You got easy kills in a smartbombing stabbed up BS. It isnt exactly hard....
Forum worthy?, possibly, as it does seem u caused the area alot of trouble...
Its just the 7 stabs part that leaves a bad taste...
d solo.
No, the 7 stabs let him leave when he knew that the smarties were not gonna win the day.
I really hate the stab bashing.... fitting stabs in a setup like this is the SMART thing to do. It fits on his ship, it works for his chosen tactic, so it's a valid setup....
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2005.12.03 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: darth solo You got easy kills in a smartbombing stabbed up BS. It isnt exactly hard....
Forum worthy?, possibly, as it does seem u caused the area alot of trouble...
Its just the 7 stabs part that leaves a bad taste...
d solo.
No, the 7 stabs let him leave when he knew that the smarties were not gonna win the day.
Just ran this through babel fish... translated to... run away to avoid the "P" in the vp...
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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EinaruS
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Posted - 2005.12.03 20:30:00 -
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I'm sorry but i completely disagree with your criticism. His offensive fittings require him to take measures so that he can somehow save his ship in the case he can not win. The fact that he uses smartbombs means he can not beat ANY battleship. What do you want him to do? fit tanking he doesn't have cap to run? and then just take the damage and die with dignit?! All is fair in love and war, his tactics have proven to be VERY effective. Do you know a lot of people that have that kind of a record? When fighting outnumbered you just have to turn the odds in your favor. Burn Eden guys fit stabs on their ravens etc, it's not fun to fight against them because they're hard to beat due to their excellent tactics, and instead of complimenting it people rather discredit their pvp-ing ability. Seriously.. why is it LAME to do well?
Respect to Heikki!
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Abbey Smallwood
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Posted - 2005.12.03 21:50:00 -
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incidentally, 4 heikkis sitting on a gate could kill an entire battleship fleet, no matter what the size..
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Muad'dib
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Posted - 2005.12.03 21:51:00 -
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Heikki you have my respect, well earned indeed. I've mentioned it before in auctions where you are bidding for an officer item just to improve your game, and that was always cool. Spending your isk to get better at your EVIL killing. Well this had to end sometime, i've been plotting myself to take you down but my corpmates beat me to it
Congratz to killers in The Collective (they are my little sting puppets)
Congratz to Heikki for his success you're a real
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.12.03 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lorth on 03/12/2005 22:47:15 Well the term High stakes, isn't what I would use.
EDIT: I'll delete the rest cause if you can't say somthing nice.....
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.12.03 23:21:00 -
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the cloak is the icing on the cake. Awesome setup.
If you were more careful about scan probing etc you would be absolutly unkillable.
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Digiblast
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Posted - 2005.12.04 00:32:00 -
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Yea Listen to Shin Ra Heikki
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.12.04 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 04/12/2005 02:22:33 Well repect. I liked your style, because it was really unique. On my first travel from empire to Curse (with another char), my indi with some equipment, bpcs and bpos got shot, so I continued my travel in my egg and only a few jumps later I warped into your smartbombs with my pod. Implants removed, one sorrow less. Good start !
But I think that was also a good lesson. Remember when you tried to convince me just to run through with my blackbird and finally offered me to pass, because I warned all people in local. Or when we tried to jump on you with interceptors and the smartbombs fired next to us, before you went into warp. Somehow I enjoyed it, although guess everyone wished that he was one of your killers, also me.
So can hundreds of players remove you from their buddy now ?
P.S.: Before I forget it, grats to the killers, well done, but I'll miss the Heikki alarm somehow. ___________ 'Wanna-not-be forum warrior. <3' |
dalman
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Posted - 2005.12.04 02:24:00 -
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I was both glad and upset to hear about this.
I won't flame the setup, cause I did the very same thing in the same area waaaay back in the SAvsCA war (although, at that time the smartbombs blew up both ship, pod, corpse and can, so only times I got loot was from transports using sec cans in their hold).
Glad - cause you've certainly been a real pain in the *** to our frigate pilots.
Upset - cause I had serious plans about killing you to loot those smartbombs myself, problem being so totally helpless against all other hostiles in the corridor when set up for it. But after you got the navy thron I assumed you'd have 8 stabs + MWD, and hence couldn't be killed by my 4x strength 2 + web. Hence I got a bit upset when it turned out you 'only' had 7 stabs and no MWD.
But GG, both to you, and my friends in COL.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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Xaarist
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Posted - 2005.12.05 07:33:00 -
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ok, another point of view. heikki is the best at what he did. word. he had the best tactics, the best gear, and hence the best kill/loss ratio. other point is, that imho he uses a bug to kill ships, because noone is supposed to hit a ship in warp and CCP does not want ships to be hit in warp. this is the first bug he used to his advantage, but as much as i blame him for doing it i blame CCP for making it possible. next point, you are not supposed to use any area of effect weapon next to a station or gate. but this is not the case at every gate, some gates seem to have a smaller radius than others, so you are able to use a smartie although the distance to gate shows less than 3 km (added the gate diameter you can hit even insta-jumping ships with smarties of that class). as above, CCP doesn't want you to do it but it's possible so this is kinda bug-using to me, too.
one could have at least a guilty conscience about these tactics.
rating: effort 9/10 (cos of the high loss) honor 1/10 (would never fight targets with a chance * stabbies) bugusing 0/10
note: he never got me, so i am not writing this because i hate him like hell for podding me (random number) times.
---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. |
Minxella
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Posted - 2005.12.05 08:39:00 -
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Smart bomb does NOT equate to PvP, it equates to being smart, he saw a chance to exploit and took it, and did very well out of it. The question is how he got so many kills before he got killed.
AnD OMG Full of 9k Smart Bombs, That would be a sweet kill. |
Xaarist
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Posted - 2005.12.05 10:21:00 -
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has been a sweet kill, cos he's dead now. read all posts 4TW! ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. |
Heikki
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Posted - 2005.12.05 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Xaarist bug to kill ... noone is supposed to hit a ship in warp
Warpblasting probably wasn't intended feature, but might still not be considered as an exploit. There were a few petitions about it I reckon, and nothing came out of them.
Using smarties near objects was fixed and seem rather bugless to me. Early this year you could sit in middle of gate structures and bomb there, as long as you were 5km away from the center.
But that was fixed long ago; now you have to be at least 5km from the exterior of the gate, as shown in overview. For most gates, checked with tactical overview, it seemed I had to be 5-10km from the exterior, and 10-15km from the center.
So, there seems to be couple effective ways to use smarties now. 1) Sit 10-20km in the 'front' of the gate (closer you would sometimes miss since ships become invulnerable when finishing warp) 2) Go just 5km behind the gate, and try to catch those who miss gate.
Should someone want to play more with smarties, and is slighly familiar with Perl, there is a script I made to calculate how many volleys of smarties are needed against a given ship/type, and what's the optimal order..
-Lasse
P.S. I hope RMR doesn't introduce too tempting smartbomb superchargers..
P.P.S. Most mercs seem to have higher kill/loss ratios, especially if counted in ISK. Checking numbers, would estimate I caused damages of 14-20B, while losing two smartbomb ships worth of total 6B.
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Mallrat Extreme
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Posted - 2005.12.05 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra the cloak is the icing on the cake. Awesome setup.
If you were more careful about scan probing etc you would be absolutly unkillable.
Digiblast didn't use scan probes. THAT was what made it brilliant.
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Dahin
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Posted - 2005.12.05 13:20:00 -
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I can vouch that his setup works. He blasted me while I was cloaked
At least I'm free to do all the silly stuff we're used to do without my implants...
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Xaarist
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Posted - 2005.12.05 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
Using smarties near objects was fixed and seem rather bugless to me. Early this year you could sit in middle of gate structures and bomb there, as long as you were 5km away from the center.
But that was fixed long ago; now you have to be at least 5km from the exterior of the gate, as shown in overview.
don't want to invite people to use exploits, but there are _at least_ 2 gates i know of where you still can sit almost in the gate structure and fire smartbombs. at one distance to gate is shown as ~2000m and at the other ~2600m. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. |
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.12.05 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xaarist
Originally by: Heikki
Using smarties near objects was fixed and seem rather bugless to me. Early this year you could sit in middle of gate structures and bomb there, as long as you were 5km away from the center.
But that was fixed long ago; now you have to be at least 5km from the exterior of the gate, as shown in overview.
don't want to invite people to use exploits, but there are _at least_ 2 gates i know of where you still can sit almost in the gate structure and fire smartbombs. at one distance to gate is shown as ~2000m and at the other ~2600m.
Its possible on pretty much every gate to sit within jump range and still be able to active smartbombs.
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.12.06 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Skyscorcher on 06/12/2005 02:02:42 I'm curious, how much damage Could this setup do exactly? Single blast and DPS-wise. ______________________________
PLAY LIKE YA GOT A PAIR! |
Macro Media
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Posted - 2005.12.06 12:06:00 -
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As much as I would laugh with glee if I did this, I have to say one thing. Make Gate to gate travel anyware 100% safe. Until that happens, people will carebear in high sec and never try to develop a market which pvpers can use in 0.0
------------ Criminal EVE Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide |
Edhel
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Posted - 2005.12.06 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Macro Media As much as I would laugh with glee if I did this, I have to say one thing. Make Gate to gate travel anyware 100% safe. Until that happens, people will carebear in high sec and never try to develop a market which pvpers can use in 0.0
This is a horrible idea
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.12.06 12:55:00 -
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Hahaha awesome. Reminds me of my bombageddon which pretty much sports an identical setup.
.: Click 2 See My Flash Animations :. |
Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.12.06 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Macro Media As much as I would laugh with glee if I did this, I have to say one thing. Make Gate to gate travel anyware 100% safe. Until that happens, people will carebear in high sec and never try to develop a market which pvpers can use in 0.0
Oh look its a big enemy fleet omming to invae our territory. Hmm, mostly indys. Oh well, lets wait a couple of days until they get set up and are ready to take us out in one foul swoop.
Damn our alliance got killed. They had too many pos'. Oh well, at least I can get my pod back to empire safely.
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2005.12.06 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Macro Media on 06/12/2005 14:29:26
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Macro Media As much as I would laugh with glee if I did this, I have to say one thing. Make Gate to gate travel anyware 100% safe. Until that happens, people will carebear in high sec and never try to develop a market which pvpers can use in 0.0
Oh look its a big enemy fleet omming to invae our territory. Hmm, mostly indys. Oh well, lets wait a couple of days until they get set up and are ready to take us out in one foul swoop.
Damn our alliance got killed. They had too many pos'. Oh well, at least I can get my pod back to empire safely.
100% safe gate travel means traveler are safe. It means that you will have to patrol your space to make sure it if POS free, and if someone decides to dump POS's, well, lets just say that dreadnaughts are getting cheaper every day...
If things stay the way they are, then all you get are people setting up POS's during timezone wars anyway. Without safe gate travel, an enemy alliance can simply hire mercs to smartbomb a gate to instapop just about anything that goes past, resulting in carebears r us.
And anyone planning to enter 0.0 will just send an alt to scout ahead so it serves not much in the way of any purpose. ------------ Criminal EVE Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide |
Heikki
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Posted - 2005.12.06 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Skyscorcher
I'm curious, how much damage Could this setup do exactly? Single blast and DPS-wise.
2196 damage per blast (1350EM 846Ex), or 293 DPS, while using 92 cap per second. With the cap booster running, could launch some 12 successive blasts at best.
Assuming common skills and unhardened setup, single blast would kill all ceptors, destroyers, covert ships and frigates, as well as low-end haulers(7 of 12) and Ishkur. Assault ships would die in 2 blasts, cruisers in 2-3, and HACs with 3-5. Those two battleships I ever managed with this setups were fed to Ogres.
Geddon with 8 named bombs could do the same, but with far cheaper setup..
Could have well used one or two more bombs, but would have lost a stab (for CPU), and ability to waste HACs (due missing neutralizers).
-Lasse
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Captain Woodward
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Posted - 2005.12.06 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Woodward on 06/12/2005 15:32:26 How did you then manage to kill the AFs/Cruisers/HAC Not using the 20k infront of gate tactic i suppose? But still,3-5 blast for an hac,Should be enough to jump through.
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Grehb
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Posted - 2005.12.07 00:17:00 -
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Very cool story, although I'm sure dailyhazard will be annoyed to read yet another 'I'm so cool kill story'.
:P
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TURBOman
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:22:00 -
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Heh, U're finaly dead. Grats to you cuz u're the one of rare players solo annoying couple alliances :) I must mention that u were kind enuf to sometimes let the pods go thru and i respect you for that.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.12.08 07:37:00 -
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Looking at the sheer numbers you've killed and their alliances I have to say one thing. We need you back in business Heikki! Keep up the good work.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.08 07:39:00 -
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And whats most important, his from Finland
*craws back under the bridge* ________________________________________________________
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Neil
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Posted - 2005.12.08 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: TURBOman Heh, U're finaly dead. Grats to you cuz u're the one of rare players solo annoying couple alliances :) I must mention that u were kind enuf to sometimes let the pods go thru and i respect you for that.
Respect to Heikki, running the corridor in a frig is easy normally no matter what size enemey fleet maybe camped waiting for you, Heikki however is a different matter. No matter what you think of his setup, it worked and worked well. He didnt smack in local, didnt post countless forum threads, he just became a real pain in the butt As Turboman said he even let the pods escape, sometimes
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Sharken
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Posted - 2005.12.08 19:15:00 -
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I popped my PvP cherry on a tactic just like this.
Now I appreciate we are looking at someone who does it in 0.0 against tough PvPers and I have a lot of respect for that. However, this tactic was deployed in empire (0.4) by a couple of campers on Sunday 4th December last - I lost 35 mil isk and I am new to the game.
The situation is different but there are people doing exactly the same thing on noobs. On Sunday night they got 16 kills off noobs in one place within 20mins thats 16 people probably disgusted with the ability to do this.
I don't know how you feel about it - the tactic here is different because of the location and the people he was up against. Against noobs it reachs a degree of lameness that is hard to describe. In other games they call it grey killing and only the lowest of the low do it.
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patteSatan
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Posted - 2005.12.10 19:14:00 -
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Heikki, Im kind of a noob, you podded me twice, but I cant hate you, you have my respect.
Regards Patte
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.12.10 20:53:00 -
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Great story, props for being dedicated to what you do.
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon And whats most important, his from Finland
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Megadon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 08:27:00 -
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I tell ya, most people like you I would just view as a griefing pain in the ass. But because you developed a unique tactic, developed a reputation, stuck to the role of what your were doing and carried it all out successfully while not being an ass to people. That is cool. Hats off. Glad you got kilt.
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TekRa
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Posted - 2005.12.11 10:41:00 -
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Nothing against you personally mate, but I have to celebrate after you killed so many people. :) I never could understand why pilots still warped to the gates after seeing you in system, and even tho your tactic was so predictable there are still some really, really stupid people out there.
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Nentisys
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Posted - 2005.12.11 12:11:00 -
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Reps man. I dont have any PvP experience but thats a pretty amazing killboard.
PS : Finland 4TW. Olettaen nimestS ettS oot suomalainen.
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Legenda
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Posted - 2005.12.11 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Legenda on 11/12/2005 13:50:20 Edited by: Legenda on 11/12/2005 13:45:26 WELL...,i dont call that much PVP what you did there Heikki but its still some amazing killing you did
I remember a few months back when i flew my Covert right into your SB blast lol I was damn ****ed at the time but well.... YUO played the game your way and in a very effective way... IM glad they managed to put you out of business attleast for a litle time.....,hehehe Still i give you my respect for flying a such expenciefe setup into battle ...,not many would have done that
And ...oh....
Finland FTW ... , suomalaisia kun ollaan ...
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Eudoxus
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Posted - 2005.12.14 06:34:00 -
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Uhm, stupid newb question...
How did you get the covert ops guys coming into the system or warping into the gate - I am assuming they are cloaked while warping in to the gate or have the 1 second delay from coming in and moving and recloaking. So did you only nail the coverts in the later situation when you saw a ship show up for one second and set off a bunch of smart bombs?
Sorry for what might be simple question but I have never even seen a smart bomb go off and I am very curious how you can get the covert ships since I am working one up myself (t-5 days to fully operation i figure )
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LVirus
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Posted - 2005.12.15 11:51:00 -
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hey heikki, you should have tried armaggedon, it has 8 low slots = 8 stabs.
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:55:00 -
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hmm thats a lot of 9k smartbombs there... that navy megathron? If i'd say you own a t2 bpo would i be correct?
Else you'd have to be ratting for a looooong time to get such a setup
But indeed respect to that setup , your tactics and your kill/death ratio I'm not sure if the cash you got killing ppl nullifies your loss of the ship tho
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Jacuro
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:35:00 -
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Heikki,
I HATE YOUR SMARTBOMBS ;0)
gl m8
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Digiblast
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: LVirus hey heikki, you should have tried armaggedon, it has 8 low slots = 8 stabs.
And what whould that have changed anything?
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Digiblast
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: RedClaws I'm not sure if the cash you got killing ppl nullifies your loss of the ship tho
Where is the isk that I deserver to get for getting rid of him for the ppl that had problems with him!
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LVirus
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Posted - 2005.12.15 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Digiblast
Originally by: LVirus hey heikki, you should have tried armaggedon, it has 8 low slots = 8 stabs.
And what whould that have changed anything?
nothing. My point was that when you are going to be a coward, you might want to use best ship for running away.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.12.15 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: LVirus
Originally by: Digiblast
Originally by: LVirus hey heikki, you should have tried armaggedon, it has 8 low slots = 8 stabs.
And what whould that have changed anything?
nothing. My point was that when you are going to be a coward, you might want to use best ship for running away.
Well navy mega = 8 lowslots... now go back to sniping.
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LVirus
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Well navy mega = 8 lowslots... now go back to sniping.
yeah, i snipe with raven.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:08:00 -
[72]
then it was elgan... anyway... have a nice day.
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Heikki
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Posted - 2005.12.16 08:13:00 -
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Random replies:
RedClaws: Njah, I don't own any T2 BPO; I sold them all. Or in more relevant tune: I didn't start with Navy Mega; rather with a cheaper setup (named smarties), and slowly upgraded to officer bombs and navy variant (couple of the bombs were from loot). All this because the pvp..erm, target blasting, was so profitable.
Eudoxus: It was rather easy to catch (a few of the) CovOps who used to warp cloaked at 15-30km marker, just by constant blasting. Catching instawarpers, or those who knew about me, worked only if I was really lucky (like there seemed to be some 1/10 - 1/30 chance that after a jump the ship would decloak at my range).
LVirus: Armageddon wouldn't have helped, even with 8 lows, mostly due CPU. I did my best to fit 8 stabs on Navy Mega with more CPU than geddon, but failed. But for cheap blast setup geddon would be rather handy (lows mixed with co-procs and stabs). I blame CCP, for not releasing officer variant of stabs.
Now after a while I miss the most important aspect of my tactic: it was a way to AFK-play efficiently. I've felt a bit too busy to really focus on playing, yet that didn't stop me from logging in at my home system, putting Eve window on background, and do other stuff till a target appeared in local.
Hopefully after a while I get enough time to dust off my ship (the other one, with big guns), and find a corp that can train me to shoot at things.
-Lasse Finnish all the way
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.16 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: LVirus yeah, i snipe with raven.
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xKillaH
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Posted - 2005.12.16 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan 7 stabs makes me wanna stab YOU in the face.
well the thing is that this is a fun setup but very easy to kill if couple bs's warps at him
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2005.12.16 14:47:00 -
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So, Heikki, are you looking for a new job?
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2005.12.16 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Drunkeh on 16/12/2005 15:56:19
Originally by: xKillaH
Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan 7 stabs makes me wanna stab YOU in the face.
well the thing is that this is a fun setup but very easy to kill if couple bs's warps at him
Um, no, actually its basically impossible to kill him with any number of BS, cause he simply warps to safespot as soon as anything bigger than a HAC appears. Hes always aligned, has covert ops alt checking for any groups coming at him.
How people can possibly be praising him is beyond me. He's using basically every lame thing you can do in pvp. Is it effective? Yes. Is it lame? Yep. Could smartbombing frigs possibly be fun? I don't see how it could be.
Oh and I always wanted to kill him to get all those officer smartbombs :(
Originally by: Omeega I R NO WORK.
I SELL MY KIDS FOR ISK.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
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Edhel
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh Edited by: Drunkeh on 16/12/2005 15:56:19
Originally by: xKillaH
Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan 7 stabs makes me wanna stab YOU in the face.
well the thing is that this is a fun setup but very easy to kill if couple bs's warps at him
Um, no, actually its basically impossible to kill him with any number of BS, cause he simply warps to safespot as soon as anything bigger than a HAC appears. Hes always aligned, has covert ops alt checking for any groups coming at him.
How people can possibly be praising him is beyond me. He's using basically every lame thing you can do in pvp. Is it effective? Yes. Is it lame? Yep. Could smartbombing frigs possibly be fun? I don't see how it could be.
Oh and I always wanted to kill him to get all those officer smartbombs :(
You have no idea how often we've heard that:) lots of people wanted to kill him. Also, what dictates what is lame? His approach to PvP was as previously stated quite successful, especially isk-wise. It's lame because it's not honourable? Why is that less honourable.. i urge you to take a look at modern warfare and tell me it's not as you describe "lame". His actions disrupted operations in that system, some pilot had Heikki instas (from Gate to safespot, to next gate from another angle). As far as i'm concerned the dude's a genius AT WHAT HE DOES.
It was almost impossible to kill him, he changed safespots every now and again.. The covert op pilot did NOT use probes to catch his safespot i might add.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.12.16 23:08:00 -
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This is rather odd imo. I always thought that if u insts warp to a gate with autopilot on u would jump immediately and no smartbomb would hit u. There is also question of samrtbombs activating within 5km of gates.I guess that is why he used officer mods. Really this is an exploit of the game mechanics and rather unfair on frig pilots.
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Digiblast
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Posted - 2005.12.18 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician This is rather odd imo. I always thought that if u insts warp to a gate with autopilot on u would jump immediately and no smartbomb would hit u. There is also question of samrtbombs activating within 5km of gates.I guess that is why he used officer mods. Really this is an exploit of the game mechanics and rather unfair on frig pilots.
Ginger it's a shame that ppl use this EXLPOIT wrod in anything they don't like!!!!!
You can smartbomb things in warp and thats kinda the only thing the smartbombs are good for...+ other things.
but then again warping to gate on insta is lame and an exlpoit also + the local is an Exloit I mean I'm in a cov op and jump into a system and ppl can see I'm in local THATS ****** up
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Archon Theo
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Posted - 2006.01.08 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Edhel i urge you to take a look at modern warfare and tell me it's not as you describe "lame".
Hear Hear
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.08 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Archon Theo
Originally by: Edhel i urge you to take a look at modern warfare and tell me it's not as you describe "lame".
Hear Hear
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Alex Kynes
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Posted - 2006.01.08 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Archon Theo
Originally by: Edhel i urge you to take a look at modern warfare and tell me it's not as you describe "lame".
Hear Hear
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2006.01.08 17:22:00 -
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LOL @ BOS being top of the corp most killed list,
we tried soo hard to kill you many times and failed a lot, but at least we killed you once for sure, and twice maybe, can't remember exactly. but the first time we killed you - you didn't have your bombing setup on, so it doesn't really count.
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Arvo Henderson
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:55:00 -
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I am just amazed, with my mouth gaping open Heikki just showed us how we can have u-boote ships in Eve!!!
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Ja'kar
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Posted - 2006.01.08 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/01/2006 23:58:15 My point was that when you are going to be a coward, you might want to use best ship for running away.
why is he a coward???
I really don't understand???
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La Muerte
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Posted - 2006.01.09 02:07:00 -
[87]
Respect , really ...
(even though you XXX-ed a lot of friends)
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.01.09 03:13:00 -
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Everytime I approach a 0.0 gate and see a camping battleship I think of this post.
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Khendon
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Posted - 2006.01.09 09:13:00 -
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I have a great new idea for the game, lets take away all tactics, all weapon diversity, ship types etc from the game. Then we all fly around in pods and the only way to destroy each other is by playing bumper cars. Disable all warp functions in combat, and make pvp totally consensual and 1v1 only! It would make the game so much fun!!11one!!1!
Then we wouldn't have any problems with people stroking their e-peen waffling on about honourable and cowardly, no-one screaming exploit and no-one calling people lame when they use tactics that they couldnt get around... oh hang on a minute, someone did get around it... and they probably had as much fun hunting Heikki down as Heikki did with his smarties setup...oh... hang on... lets leave Eve as it is shall we?
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Brutal Butcher
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Posted - 2006.01.09 19:53:00 -
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i like the idea of playing bumpercars
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Audrea
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Posted - 2006.04.30 13:03:00 -
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Nice reading. I heard from friends how effective your setups are, although we never met in guns range, respects for the innovativeness of tactics.
I am curious though, Heikki, how exactly did that work? Did you place the bubble say, 30km in front of gate (not behind?), and then made insta which brought you exactly 1-2km from the edge where everyone would get sucked? or how? ---------------------------------------------- All my posts are my own opinions and dont not represent any organization until stated otherwise. |
nickycakes
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Posted - 2006.04.30 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea Nice reading. I heard from friends how effective your setups are, although we never met in guns range, respects for the innovativeness of tactics.
I am curious though, Heikki, how exactly did that work? Did you place the bubble say, 30km in front of gate (not behind?), and then made insta which brought you exactly 1-2km from the edge where everyone would get sucked? or how?
Ok, so since you necro'd the fck out of this topic, maybe you can answer this:
Where are bubbles mentioned anywhere in his post?
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Audrea
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: nickycakes
Originally by: Audrea Nice reading. I heard from friends how effective your setups are, although we never met in guns range, respects for the innovativeness of tactics.
I am curious though, Heikki, how exactly did that work? Did you place the bubble say, 30km in front of gate (not behind?), and then made insta which brought you exactly 1-2km from the edge where everyone would get sucked? or how?
ohh, Right, I assumed he used them so he could be close enough for the smarties.
How else could he warp to the prey close enough?
Ok, so since you necro'd the fck out of this topic, maybe you can answer this:
Where are bubbles mentioned anywhere in his post?
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: nickycakes
Originally by: Audrea Nice reading. I heard from friends how effective your setups are, although we never met in guns range, respects for the innovativeness of tactics.
I am curious though, Heikki, how exactly did that work? Did you place the bubble say, 30km in front of gate (not behind?), and then made insta which brought you exactly 1-2km from the edge where everyone would get sucked? or how?
ohh, Right, I assumed he used them so he could be close enough for the smarties.
How else could he warp to the prey close enough?
Ok, so since you necro'd the fck out of this topic, maybe you can answer this:
Where are bubbles mentioned anywhere in his post?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea Nice reading. I heard from friends how effective your setups are, although we never met in guns range, respects for the innovativeness of tactics.
I am curious though, Heikki, how exactly did that work? Did you place the bubble say, 30km in front of gate (not behind?), and then made insta which brought you exactly 1-2km from the edge where everyone would get sucked? or how?
why would he have a bubble? wouldn't that defeat the whole point?
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Audrea
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:26:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Mindlles
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: nickycakes
Originally by: Audrea Nice reading. I heard from friends how effective your setups are, although we never met in guns range, respects for the innovativeness of tactics.
I am curious though, Heikki, how exactly did that work? Did you place the bubble say, 30km in front of gate (not behind?), and then made insta which brought you exactly 1-2km from the edge where everyone would get sucked? or how?
ohh, Right, I assumed he used them so he could be close enough for the smarties.
How else could he warp to the prey close enough?
Ok, so since you necro'd the fck out of this topic, maybe you can answer this:
Where are bubbles mentioned anywhere in his post?
The stupidy of Audrea never stops to amaze me.......
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Audrea
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:26:00 -
[97]
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Audrea Nice reading. I heard from friends how effective your setups are, although we never met in guns range, respects for the innovativeness of tactics.
I am curious though, Heikki, how exactly did that work? Did you place the bubble say, 30km in front of gate (not behind?), and then made insta which brought you exactly 1-2km from the edge where everyone would get sucked? or how?
why would he have a bubble? wouldn't that defeat the whole point?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:29:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Audrea Nice reading. I heard from friends how effective your setups are, although we never met in guns range, respects for the innovativeness of tactics.
I am curious though, Heikki, how exactly did that work? Did you place the bubble say, 30km in front of gate (not behind?), and then made insta which brought you exactly 1-2km from the edge where everyone would get sucked? or how?
why would he have a bubble? wouldn't that defeat the whole point?
Ok, if its without bubbles - how he gets close to the prey?
well, maybe he is using smartbombs, and working on the assumption that the people want to go to the gate?
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2006.04.30 17:01:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Specture how do you die with 7 stabs and when u say Idleing in a safe you mean afk?
Esp when his setup includes a cloak.
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Speed Devil
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Posted - 2006.04.30 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Speed Devil on 30/04/2006 17:47:43 he does use bubbles, but thats his new tactic
and it works EXTREMELY well
he puts up bubbles at 2 gates, and he hangs in the middle, if he scans a target then he just have to warp onto the bubble and bomb them to death, i was lucky that i got away quick enough in my pod, and then he let me go, its a friendly guy :p ________________________________________ YARRR!!! Death to all carebears! |
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.04.30 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Speed Devil Edited by: Speed Devil on 30/04/2006 17:47:43 he does use bubbles, but thats his new tactic
and it works EXTREMELY well
he puts up bubbles at 2 gates, and he hangs in the middle, if he scans a target then he just have to warp onto the bubble and bomb them to death, i was lucky that i got away quick enough in my pod, and then he let me go, its a friendly guy :p
Sounds like a suicide recipe unless he has scouts on each approaching gate.
Anoyone lame enough to do stuff like this prolly does have though
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Audrea
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:11:00 -
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can we please not derail the thread? I was asking how he gets close to target, if he deosnt use bubbles? cuase if I were insta warping to the next gate, how would he bomb me in time before I jump through? just wanna know.
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:53:00 -
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Ooh, my prolonged 15 minutes with a thread that refuses to die...
Originally by: Audrea I was asking how he gets close to target, if he deosnt use bubbles?
The basic idea was: ships are vulnerable while still in warp.
That is, if I idle close to gate B along the warp line, I can be sure that ships warping from A to B will pass over me. If I am at certain distance from gate B (from ca. 5 to 60 kms), the ships passing can be hurt with smartbombs (even if they can't be targeted).
So with some timing practice, Ie could blast a ship whoozing over. And see his can appear 10km from my ship, with the pod 20km away. Quote: Please leave the new tactics for new thread
Uhm, rather not, most of 'tactics' are always based on surprise effect..
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Audrea
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Posted - 2006.05.01 14:35:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Heikki Ooh, my prolonged 15 minutes with a thread that refuses to die...
Originally by: Audrea I was asking how he gets close to target, if he deosnt use bubbles?
The basic idea was: ships are vulnerable while still in warp.
That is, if I idle close to gate B along the warp line, I can be sure that ships warping from A to B will pass over me. If I am at certain distance from gate B (from ca. 5 to 60 kms), the ships passing can be hurt with smartbombs (even if they can't be targeted).
So with some timing practice, Ie could blast a ship whoozing over. And see his can appear 10km from my ship, with the pod 20km away. Quote: Please leave the new tactics for new thread
Uhm, rather not, most of 'tactics' are always based on surprise effect..
-Lasse
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Posted - 2006.05.01 15:46:00 -
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Santiago Cortes
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Posted - 2006.05.02 01:23:00 -
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Thread cleaned
If a thread is going to be necroed, please resist the urge to fill it with flamebait and off-topic posting.
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Posted - 2006.05.02 02:16:00 -
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Heikki nice job man, I respect the Setup because usen a expensive setup like that even with seven stabs takes guts. As for the trolls im sure u already do but just ignore them ur here to play eve no matter your gamestyle for your fun not theres.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.02 04:18:00 -
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all I can say, it good job Heikki. I dislike pirates, but the time and effort that you put into it does deserve respect.
yer now on my "watch VERY carefully" list :) I like to be careful.
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Posted - 2006.06.12 15:44:00 -
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4 sentence to this topic from me, cause i like heikki so mutch
Heikki u blame yourself ^^
and
2 kills well i remember only 3 times we killed him with V :)
and
may u will not understand this but, 2 points are important for pvp, fair play and honor and u dont have this 2 points:
to make it easy that u understand it..
that means u are a nub, go mine veldspar LOL ^^ ---------------------------------------------
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Posted - 2006.06.12 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tobin Ba''ha on 12/06/2006 16:57:27
Quote: =Edheli urge you to take a look at modern warfare and tell me it's not as you describe "lame".
Enjoyable thread but I wanted to throw my 2 cents in.
First off, drawing an analogy between real modern warfare and computer game warfare where value judgments are concerned is simply not valid. No one is in danger of losing their lives in EvE, therefore the value judgment is skewed due to ISK being at risk, and not human life.
In regards to the "honor" of this type of play...this is certainly a dishonorable way to fight. This pilot constructed his setup with the maximum potential to work around the game mechanics to get kills while using said game mechanics to minimize the risk of loss. It's only by neglect that he lost his ship- flown properly this setup cannot be countered as there is no counter for insta warp out with 7 stabs to predetermined safe spots. Had he kept his SSs varied and current he would not have been caught.
HOWEVER- this pilot never claimed that he was fighting honorably.
Does the effectiveness of his kill ratio outweigh the dishonorable nature of his method? I vote no, but that is a matter of opinion. Keep in mind this is a game- the object should be fun, with victory as a secondary objective.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.06.12 17:16:00 -
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THE THREAD DOES NOT DIE. IT IS IMMORTAL.
uhm *contribute*
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Arkani Gera
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Posted - 2006.06.12 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Trancestor *bleh*
wth adam, take care of yer new muppets lest they sink the ship even more
Ohnoes! not in the same corp as Don Zola anymore =/
The corp is mother, the corp is father.
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.06.12 21:36:00 -
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necro is bad mmkay?
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.06.13 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol necro is bad mmkay?
Njah, wouldn't see it so black and white; it might have it uses if the thread is still somehow relevant.
This time seems Mr. Trancestor wanted express his feelings (for which he has at least five reasons), and lengthen my fifteen minutes of fame. Seems the thread still touches people in some way, and has so far been mostly flame free, so perhaps it has a reason to crawl on..
Personally I've given up smarties, but still figuring efficient, or, unfair ways to fight.
-Lasse who thinks even mining Veldspar would be respectable, if you did it say with Dreadnought in Jita.
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.06.13 02:40:00 -
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it is a very interesting story, one of my personal favorites, but let a dead thread die
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Siriyana
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Posted - 2006.06.13 04:31:00 -
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Great story.
And to those bashing stabs- bashing stabs is as lame as screaming "Camper!" in an FPS game.
I hate to break it to you, but camping is a tactic. Using stabs is a tactic as well. It's a defense against an offense. If the person attacking you doesn't take that into consideration, that's their fault for being less tactically inclined. ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group "Through the Endless Night of Space" |
Mirirar
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Posted - 2006.06.16 03:40:00 -
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Quote: And to those bashing stabs- bashing stabs is as lame as screaming "Camper!" in an FPS game.
Wonderful. Thanks. :) I've always wondered how to respond to people who cry about stabs. I'm going to steal that. ;)
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Ma'lice
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Posted - 2006.06.16 03:42:00 -
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Long Live The Great and Oh So Uber... HEIKKI!HEIKKI!HEIKKI!
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Kadreal
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Posted - 2006.06.16 20:47:00 -
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Pitty no more smart bombs. Those are some impressive statistics...
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Captin Biltmore
Amarr Damage Unlimited Inc Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:58:00 -
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Heh, good ole Hekki...I'd like to point out a few things:
1. God it's good to have Hekki on your side!! :)
2. BOS is #1 on his kill list because he managed to pop 9 of them at once one day. And they were at a safespot. He used a covert to find them, then warped his Mega on top of them and killed them all.
3. A fair number of his kills were accidents. Not that he didn't warn people. But I know I was camping with him once and tried to web a cruiser or some other large ship for him...got in the way and boom on me. The other time he got me was before that when we were at war.
4. After seeing Hekki in action I have used this setup on several different occasions.
5. Anyone care to try this outside of Jita IV??
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.10.11 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Captin Biltmore 5. Anyone care to try this outside of Jita IV??
I was so tempted to do this last night, as I undocked and saw about 30 ships lined up in dock range.
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Gabby05
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2006.10.11 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Siriyana Great story.
And to those bashing stabs- bashing stabs is as lame as screaming "Camper!" in an FPS game.
I hate to break it to you, but camping is a tactic. Using stabs is a tactic as well. It's a defense against an offense. If the person attacking you doesn't take that into consideration, that's their fault for being less tactically inclined.
OMG u must play America's Army and stay at spawn point til the last 2 minutes before assaulting makin everyone soddin wait til u die!
I hope u get TK'd alot
No stabs are not the same as camping mkay, people using stabs do not inhibit me from continuing to play the game. Still think heiki did something original and thought out the box, just dont understand why he didnt use a phoon it has similar slot layout and way more CPU
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phishstik
Gallente Hammer Of Light Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.10.11 21:18:00 -
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Respect to Heikki for terrorizing pipe travel. Ive messed with bombathron setups, and was quite annoyed that after de-cloaking you still have to wait for sensors to "recalibrate". SB dont need locks, should be instant sound of thunder.
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Kaynard Stormwalker
Stormriders
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Posted - 2006.10.12 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Captin Biltmore
5. Anyone care to try this outside of Jita IV??
Check my sig img..its kinda what happens when you smartbomb near a station :) I must say, its amusing. :D The lag does suck tho. ;P
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X ChaosX
Caldari Panzershrek
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Posted - 2006.10.12 02:06:00 -
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Well done, playing smart and surviving ftw. I agree with tiller, stabs were the smart thing to do, and anyone who thinks staying and dying is a good move then... Why would you stay when you knowyou are going to die? ______________________________________________
Originally by: Bill Shankly i see your another one of those lousy pirates that cant fight fair and call yourself apvper, what a joke u are.
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Dionisius
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Posted - 2006.10.12 14:49:00 -
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Well Reikki has my respect, not only for doing his thing with such success and obvious fun but for using a setup with stabs and not caring for what other people think.
Stabs are available for use, so if it's apropriate and smart to use~ them in a given situation why not?
Claiming that stab using is lame is like complaining against pirates for them shooting at people.
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Felinuszzz
Caldari Templars of Light Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.12 17:23:00 -
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Dude, I did the math, and of all your ship kills, 74.1% of the time you got the pod as well. That strikes me as incredibly impresive.
May I ask how you killed those Hacs and Battleships? Did they pop on warp-in, and not make it through to jump on their insta, or did they stick around to fight? --------- |
NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.10.12 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: phishstik Respect to Heikki for terrorizing pipe travel. Ive messed with bombathron setups, and was quite annoyed that after de-cloaking you still have to wait for sensors to "recalibrate". SB dont need locks, should be instant sound of thunder.
I think that is a big reason why he retired from doing it. AFAIK it didn't use to be that way.
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GBBUTT
Dismemberment
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Posted - 2006.10.13 18:21:00 -
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Oh my, i ran into him quite a few times. I think he may of got me once, not sure. I was always friendly with him in local, asking him how it was going.
Props to the guys who killed him.
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ZigZag Joe
The Republican Guard
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Posted - 2006.10.15 04:27:00 -
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hehe, the thread that won't die.
<< zigzag forever. >> |
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dAn melax
Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: ZigZag Joe hehe, the thread that won't die.
Hahaha using my ebil necromantic powers of wannabe Im raising this thread back to the modern eve world!
but to be serious anyone tried the smartbombing tactics with modern stabs and in low sec Im curious maybe ever Heikki will reply Play Hard. Go Pro. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.11.03 03:55:00 -
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The HP boost but paid to a lot of what he was doing.
But you can still do it with shuttles/intys/frigs
Can be profitable. And it hacks people off something chronic. They think they are invunerable with warp to zero - and dont like it when they find out their not.
It is a method to solo in todays climate of multiple cap ships jumping in on your heads every 1 v 1 you have
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