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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:28:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:This is truly the thread that "may not be mentioned" by CCP!
I honestly think that can only mean on thing. There is a fundamental issue with the avatar rendering and animation engine that won't scale and render on hardware currently available on this plane of existence. nVidia sold CCP a barrel of snake oil and got them to bet on a tech science fair project and to deploy any more WiS on this tech would result in global fire storms as everyones PC catches on fire.
If this isn't a tech issue then I am sure we would at least have gotten some "weasel words" about getting back to WiS in some form soon.
Sadly the laws of physics have done CCP in.
I'm throwing down the gauntlet CCP, if it isn't a tech issue then put the WiS with multi-avatar in a station that you were so close to deploying on the test server so we can see it, even if it doesn't have interaction other than a lot of us walking around in a box.
Otherwise let us know when we see WiS re-coded on an engine that can be deployed.
Issler
It is a tech issue, I'm pretty much as certain as I can be without working at CCP.
If I wasn't so jaded I would almost feel bad for them. But I can't, you know I would be happy tomorrow if they released the WiS of 08' fanfest. But they can't. So CCP has officially gone backwards.
It might as well be 2005 for WiS, but it's actually worse because now we're stuck with a non-functioning version which is going nowhere and needs to be replaced. |

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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:03:00 -
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Xtover wrote: What happened with that?..Did all of that work get scrapped?
They changed engines, not only was the old work abandoned but even if they still had it, it would be worthless as they've completely redone the code since. The primary causal factor behind this apparently is that they wanted to begin work on an engine which could be used with WoD.
Xtover wrote: Didn't they have full stations modeled, and mini-games done?
Yes, I'm pretty sure the fanfest videos are still on youtube somewhere, there were strategy games, gambling, establishments, stations pretty much done. Mothermoon says she was able to scrape a lot of station modeling from the Incarna SiSi build. So they may have that work done here as well but the fundamental problem is that they cannot render multi-user environments with the Incarna engine. Realization of this problem occurred just before or just after the release of Incarna at least to the community although much before Devs questioned in private had revealed that 'they had no idea how they were going to make it work with multiple users'
The end result is, CCP plowed down this dead end road probably with the attitude that problems and hurdles would be overcome later in development. But alas, they cannot, it's not possible with this engine and we're stuck in our tiny cells because of it. |

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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:47:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: There has been a lot of speculation as to whether there is a tech issue holding up Incarna development. So far, that is all it is, speculation.
We really don't know how Incarna scales yet. We don't know if our Avatar models put a huge amount of strain on it, or if it being linked to our hangers does, or if in fact that this is an issue for the engine at all.
I would say it is much more likely that the lack of comment is due entirely to PR reasons. CCP has a legitimate concern that anything they say about Incarna at the moment is likely to raise a storm of controversy... which is something they very much want to avoid for now.
Much better for them to wait, let people enjoy the new expansion, let old wounds heal. Develop another expansion based primarily around FIS content and Dust Integration and see how things stand. Once the Dust controversy (you know it's inevitable even if it's integration goes perfectly) sorts itself out they should have a pretty good idea if it's safe to broach the subject again.
I would like for that to be the only thing to it but one aspect of Incarna which caused so much anger was that it offered no content. Then the 'speculation' about if it could offer content. I don't know anything for certain but I think that CCP could have thrown a few buckets of water on the flames by showing us all the content it would bring. Wouldn't they want to show us that it wasn't a complete failure? Their silence is pretty telling. |

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Posted - 2011.12.10 10:23:00 -
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I'm watching Locked Up Abroad, I'm hoping the drug smuggling in WiS is a bit like this. |

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Posted - 2011.12.11 14:30:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:about solid mechanics ,CCP made crucible a first step towards a solid mechanics playable EVE they done this in 6 weeks ,according to CCP itself Nah, they've fixed a lot of small niggly issues, added a few ships and changed a few database values in that time. I hope the next expansion will be where they make nullsec good, mechanically, so they can move on to make WiS good, mechanically. viziel wrote:I'm not a fan of pvp, could care less about it. If you could care less about PVP, why don't you?
I think 0.0 is doomed for as long as goons are the hegemon , or the player base learns Russian. Isn't their top intel channel based on the cartoon 'My Little Pony' unless most of us bump our heads and regress back to early in our development we're locked out (TEST isn't much better). Mechanic wise? Blobs, Super Caps, Bots, RMT and Bubbles; I think this is how CCP wants it to work and it's not attractive to most (when will CCP understand it's inherently unappealing?) . 0.0 isn't worth development over ANYTHING in my estimation because the players have already clearly drawn a line in the sand and said "no thanks" 0.0 denizens are a small minority, unworthy of any sort of priority. For those who think it's some sort of end game are clueless and should do back to WoW (they have ponies there to I think.) |

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Posted - 2011.12.11 15:08:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:so the end game is avatars /emoting each other?
There is no end game it's a sandbox you clueless twit.
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Posted - 2011.12.11 15:15:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:but youse the twit who thought 0.0 was the endgame
No you're just ******** and can't read, now go run along and work on downing the final sansha dragon and save all of eve little goon. |

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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:43:00 -
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WisdomLikeSilence wrote:look what they managed to pull out of their collective ass in just a few short weeks, a load of new ships, balancing, fixes and tech upgrades which hadnt been looked at in YEARS.
I think they were giving themselves the luxury of too much time in developing WIS. That much time makes you cautious, when whats needed are BOLD STEPS.
THe next big thing for CCP is the integration of DUST which should be fun. After that, lets talk incarna for real.
If DUST disappeared tomorrow I wouldn't notice. A significant amount of time in EVE is spent docked, peculiarly not spent playing a game on PS3 ... I wonder why not? Regardless, imagine people's surprise when they express a desire to expand EVE online in the form of Ambulation and they are called silly, because that is silly compared to expanding a PS3 game called DUST.
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:31:00 -
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Kye Do'lan wrote:Pile of crap and distracts from gameplay

Which is it? A pile of crap or something which distracts from clicking in space? If it was a pile of crap it shouldn't keep your attention, well maybe you. But I think Incarna as it is now is pretty horrid, but I don't think doing laps around the CQ is anything other than alternative ship spinning. Ambulation would provide an attractive alternative to both, a microcosm of the player driven economy and things to do like a corp HQ little games, boosters, smuggling ect...
CCP in their infinite wisdom gave us NeX and a prison cell instead, it is pretty ****, yeah. And they put clothes in the NeX store rather than anything we could use to make our cells better. Just a normal part of life, dealing with disappointment and stupidity. |

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Posted - 2011.12.15 15:12:00 -
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Malcolm Gunn wrote:Because CCP has already told you all what will happen with WiS.
It is on the back burner for improvement and expansion at a later date. If you want it so badly, you're going to have to wait. CCP has decided that there are things more important to deal with right now, like, ya know, EVE's core gameplay.
I'll welcome WiS when it's ready and prudent to work on, but until then, I'm gonna go have fun with my new Raven. And Maybe even a T3 BC. Or all the Papercuts fixes/additions. See where I'm going with this?
Have they said how they're planning on improving EVE's core gameplay? Could you elaborate on it a little bit, because clearly you are their de facto spokesperson.
What is this "herp derp improve core gameplay" what do you mean? |

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Posted - 2011.12.22 21:38:00 -
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It seems like it would make a lot of people happy if they announced that they are still working on it and elaborated on to what degree. To me, if they aren't... it means that expanding EVE with WiS isn't worth it to them unless they're developing another game with it. Which equals 7 years of lies and expanding EVE for EVE's sake isn't their goal and this 'redirection' signifies a mere maintenance and repair of the cash cow. Which they can then once again eventually milk for other projects. |

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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:43:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:There's that strawman again. Wow you are still using that phrase without understanding what it means. Next time you make a link to the wikipedia article you should take a few minutes to actually read it. I didn't link it.  Keep on truckin goonie. "Generally, the straw man is a highly exaggerated or over-simplified version of the opponent's original statement, which has been distorted to the point of absurdity" WiS =/= "dresses for toonies" Go back to pulling wings off butterflies or burning ants with a magnifying glass.
The goon is just lashing out on you because I corrected it earlier.
Beaches wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: The "white knights" are the idiots reporting people who aren't even undocked for botting just because of the alliance they are in.
You clearly don't know what a white knight is. I hate it when people see something used on the internet that has a very real actual meaning and then apply it completely incorrectly. Jesus Christ, it's even on urban dictionary... it's even on any historical reference or any definition or piece of knowledge anywhere for that matter. Please lurk before posting, you are a ******* disease GTFO
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:45:00 -
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Most people want WiS, why would you be against an expansion to the EVE universe? You'd have to be a goon attempting to troll while simultaneously being counter productive or something equally as bland and stupid. The implementation of Incarna was horrible, I quit for a while because of it, among other things. I didn't shoot a statue like some sort of dunce though.
WiS will be great and I hope they come out with it sooner rather than later, we've been waiting a long time.
Consider this a bump. |

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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:46:00 -
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oops |

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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:47:00 -
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oops |

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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:47:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:it's 2012 and you are still butt hurt about those pranks?
It's 2012 and this game company can't manage to put two avatars in a room. |

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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:51:00 -
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I set that snipe up and that's the best you could do?
"so?"  |

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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:58:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:
I humbly suggest that you check out Planet Calypso (which is F2P) so you can see what the limitations of multi-avatar gaming involves using the very latest in available licensable technology
What CCP had in mind was very ambitious, but cannot be achieved using present tech.
That game actually is somewhat intriguing from the 20 seconds I've looked at it.
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Posted - 2012.01.02 03:12:00 -
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Yeah in this thread they talk about how much RM they spend, damn. |

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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:49:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:How about moving this thread to Features and Ideas Discussion, and replacing it with a sticky here in GD directing interested players over to F&I?
Don't mind him he's just an over eager forum posting try-hard who hasn't gotten enough attention yet today. Hi Doc Fury your ideas about how the mods should do their job are both edgy and insightful. Now go run along, it's almost the top of the hour and new cartoons are coming on. |

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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:58:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Beaches wrote:Doc Fury wrote:How about moving this thread to Features and Ideas Discussion, and replacing it with a sticky here in GD directing interested players over to F&I?
Don't mind him he's just an over eager forum posting try-hard who hasn't gotten enough attention yet today. Hi Doc Fury your ideas about how the mods should do their job are both edgy and insightful. Now go run along, it's almost the top of the hour and new cartoons are coming on. Your fascination and fixation on my posting is quite telling, but by all means don't let me make you miss your cartoons.
Don't use big words you don't understand, also echoing my suggestion to you is lazy and stupid. |

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Posted - 2012.01.18 03:00:00 -
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I think, for one you should be able to man station defenses from inside the station (using avatars) I also think huge open view ports in social areas would bring people together if not just for the view over the docking bay, but to see war targets or bubbles.
Boom, simple reasons to use avatars, very simple reason to go to the same place, of course this is just one element which could be built upon. |

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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:03:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
maybe your are right , but can CCP loose face like that?i don,t think so
CCP has no pride or dignity.
The game is good right now for what it is, it could be 100x better if it had more depth and immersion. |
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