| Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 .. 159 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 43 post(s) |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
12
   |
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:21:00 -
[91] - Quote
Karadion wrote:I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment.
This isn't an accurate number of how many dislike the station environment, though, it's an accurate number of how many dislike it as is (rushed, unfinished) and how many suffer from the unrealistic hardware requirements (unpolished, rushed, unfinished),
|
Barakkus
952
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:21:00 -
[92] - Quote
Depending on what I'm doing I switch between the two. If I'm sitting around chatting waiting for a fleet or whatever, I'll go sit on the couch...if I'm shipping up or dock/refit/undock I have the hangar up... |
Tashanaka
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:22:00 -
[93] - Quote
CoLe Blackblood wrote:I like the idea of Walking in Stations. The scope of what CCP is trying to do with their space game is quite impressive...rather than being like every other nub on here and saying GTFO, I will say that we need more spaceships way before we need to go to the cantina.
Agreed, WiS is a nice concept but once you walk around the station what is there to do? Nothing. What activities are going to add to WiS? No real details yet. What is going to make WiS better than docking into the hanger view? Nothing so far. So, where are the details?
CCP needs to put WiS on the back burner and work on FiS features/balance/upgrades until they have a concept for WiS that'd make it worth getting out of the hanger. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
20
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:23:00 -
[94] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Kudos to the unidimensional thinkers for creating a false dichotomy. To have Incarna fleshed out and delivered doesn't preclude the continuing evolution of the space combat portions of the game. In theory you may be right but in the real world CCP neglected Eve to work on a bunch of other stuff and the game suffered for it.
it was neglect alright, but not because CCP neglected EVE, they neglected to listen to the players of EVE.
God knows enough of us said during testing on sisi that CCP should not realease it until it was ready.
CCP had the edge over other companies, that edge was listening to the players, this was the neglect that caused the fail.
it looks like that's been fixed, only time will tell. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
152
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:23:00 -
[95] - Quote
Cyra Mangeiri wrote:Karadion wrote:I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment. This isn't an accurate number of how many dislike the station environment, though, it's an accurate number of how many dislike it as is (rushed, unfinished) and how many suffer from the unrealistic hardware requirements (unpolished, rushed, unfinished),
And given CCP's track records, you expected Incarna to be any better than the horrible form it is now? |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
12
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:26:00 -
[96] - Quote
Karadion wrote:And given CCP's track records, you expected Incarna to be any better than the horrible form it is now?
This is not relevant to the point.
And for the record, I didn't expect anything, I've learned not to, so I don't get disappointed.
|
Barakkus
952
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:26:00 -
[97] - Quote
Tashanaka wrote:CoLe Blackblood wrote:I like the idea of Walking in Stations. The scope of what CCP is trying to do with their space game is quite impressive...rather than being like every other nub on here and saying GTFO, I will say that we need more spaceships way before we need to go to the cantina. Agreed, WiS is a nice concept but once you walk around the station what is there to do? Nothing. What activities are going to add to WiS? No real details yet. What is going to make WiS better than docking into the hanger view? Nothing so far. So, where are the details? CCP needs to put WiS on the back burner and work on FiS features/balance/upgrades until they have a concept for WiS that'd make it worth getting out of the hanger.
They had one, as seen in the video from 2008 which we never got, but it looked awesome. |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:29:00 -
[98] - Quote
Yeah, there was a concept that didn't quite make it for Incarna, if you'll allow me the understatement. The concept, however, is awesome, and not unattainable, as long as they don't get hung up on making it as high poly count as they can without frying hardware. |
Tristan North
The Scope
23
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:30:00 -
[99] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous. Cry about it.
Hooray cool goon?
|
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
21
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:32:00 -
[100] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Kudos to the unidimensional thinkers for creating a false dichotomy. To have Incarna fleshed out and delivered doesn't preclude the continuing evolution of the space combat portions of the game. In theory you may be right but in the real world CCP neglected Eve to work on a bunch of other stuff and the game suffered for it.
plus one to both thoughts
I'd have preffered something far less abitious with real features.. there is no way a room full of our full featured avatars jumping up and down , raising cups or guns etc wouldn't burn up even the best gaming computers at this point in time and I don't really understand why that didn't become apparant 3 or 4 months before the char editor release.
It could have been fun to have a place to do silly things running around in fancy clothes if that were a clamp on....
... probably shouldn't have done anything until after they relased dust. |
|
|
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
11
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:33:00 -
[101] - Quote
WiS does not have any gameplay. I know i play video games for their gameplay, i don't know about you guys. Also if you think WiS is gameplay then maybe you should be informed that there are other games out there. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
34
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:33:00 -
[102] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:
I'd rather have something useful to the gameplay like engine trails tbh.
Not to be a Negative Nancy here, but...
How is exhaust useful to EVE's gameplay?
Will we get a +5% to Choke on Smog, or something? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
92
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:35:00 -
[103] - Quote
Karadion wrote:arcca jeth wrote:in the end, CCP still has not Polled or Surveyed their current and previous subscribers. If they survey people when they cancel (i don't know if they do because I haven't cancelled since a brief moment in 06) then I am sure they would (hopefully) use that feedback to at least really know why people cancelled. I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment.
Well, actually, a lot of people turned off the CQ because it caused a frame rate hit and they couldn't run multiple clients easily, or because content was so limited, or because some of the short cut options they were used to were not there any more. Likely all three.
Not all of them turned it off because they wanted Incarna trashed, never to be iterated on again. Perhaps not even a large percentage of them.
I personally would have no issue with a poll of existing subscribers at logon along the lines of:
1: Incarna and WOD can die in a fire, trash it completely and move on.
2: Incarna and WOD should be on hold for the forseeable future, but not completely forgotten.
3: Incarna and WOD should be on hold for at least a year, and then limited resources should be allocated to it.
4: Incarna and WOD development should continue now, but with a reasonable division of resources.
5: I"m quiting because Incarna and WOD have been so severely cut back.
Followed with a text box entitled:
What Incarna related content and game play features would you like to see eventually, if any?
I think the results would be interesting, especially if it were tied into the login screen, not the forums.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
20
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:35:00 -
[104] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:War Kitten wrote:
I'd rather have something useful to the gameplay like engine trails tbh.
Not to be a Negative Nancy here, but... How is exhaust useful to EVE's gameplay? Will we get a +5% to Choke on Smog, or something?
lol |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:36:00 -
[105] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:WiS does not have any gameplay. I know i play video games for their gameplay, i don't know about you guys. Also if you think WiS is gameplay then maybe you should be informed that there are other games out there.
WiS does not have any gameplay as it is, yes. WiS, as envisioned by CCP originally does have gameplay. If you think a failed implementation is all there is to a feature, I should inform you that you should never play any games, period. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
11
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:36:00 -
[106] - Quote
Issler[/quote]
You're going to get 300% more WiS content in the winter expansion than you did in Incarna.
Stop being being greedy.[/quote]
also this |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:39:00 -
[107] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:
Issler
You're going to get 300% more WiS content in the winter expansion than you did in Incarna.
Stop being being greedy.[/quote]
also this[/quote]
You mean; "also this is still missing the whole point by a mile, while smiling stupidly for the photographer who's taking a photo of you and your wife, who's also your mother and grandmother". |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
Dark Empire Alliance
11
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:41:00 -
[108] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Karadion wrote:arcca jeth wrote:in the end, CCP still has not Polled or Surveyed their current and previous subscribers. If they survey people when they cancel (i don't know if they do because I haven't cancelled since a brief moment in 06) then I am sure they would (hopefully) use that feedback to at least really know why people cancelled. I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment. Well, actually, a lot of people turned off the CQ because it caused a frame rate hit and they couldn't run multiple clients easily, or because content was so limited, or because some of the short cut options they were used to were not there any more. Likely all three. Not all of them turned it off because they wanted Incarna trashed, never to be iterated on again. Perhaps not even a large percentage of them. I personally would have no issue with a poll of existing subscribers at logon along the lines of: 1: Incarna and WOD can die in a fire, trash it completely and move on. 2: Incarna and WOD should be on hold for the forseeable future, but not completely forgotten. 3: Incarna and WOD should be on hold for at least a year, and then limited resources should be allocated to it. 4: Incarna and WOD development should continue now, but with a reasonable division of resources. 5: I"m quiting because Incarna and WOD have been so severely cut back. Followed with a text box entitled: What Incarna related content and game play features would you like to see eventually, if any? I think the results would be interesting, especially if it were tied into the login screen, not the forums.
I would agree to the polling delivery method, but honestly I would leave WoD out of it. Different game and not EVE, I would personally like to see them focus all their resources on EVE and seeking funding for WoD from new investors. Use that funding to rehire WoD staff and separate the two completely. If they want to make the work they've done cross functional to implement, fine no big deal.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
425
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:46:00 -
[109] - Quote
The problem is that CQ is beta quality at best. Pushing an unstable product into a production environment (all of your subscribers) is never a good idea. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
153
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:47:00 -
[110] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous. Cry about it. Hooray cool goon?
Can I taste your tears? |
|
|
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
51
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:49:00 -
[111] - Quote
Hehe, good ol' Rho squad (Go Rhotards!!!)  |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
109
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:49:00 -
[112] - Quote
bornaa wrote:Morganta wrote:2 out of 10 for Wis
a clear majority 20%.... look at likes OP got... some ppl dont want to fight with ppl that just know to say "go back to wow" so they only like... i would like WiS too but not like CCP started implement it the first time... to CCP less errors with customer relations!
likes are lies, they mean nothing as half of them are fabricated
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Flamespar
Woof Club
76
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:52:00 -
[113] - Quote
Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
154
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:54:00 -
[114] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this.
No, we get it. Again the concept is still extremely limited. What gameplay functionality was there anyways? There's a thousand times more crap to do in FiS than WiS. |
How2FoldSoup
Hull Tanking Elitists
4
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:55:00 -
[115] - Quote
I would like more spaceships personally.. |
Michus Danether
Aristotle Enterprises
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:55:00 -
[116] - Quote
I think it's been said already but it's worth reiterating:
Walking in Stations is, in of itself, not a bad thing. The idea of a sci fi universe sandbox complete with cantinas, back alleys and poker games you can bet a capital ship on are all awesome and CCP *has* done a cool job developing new avatar tech.
The main rage against WiS has I think been mostly focused on the following two concerns:
1. WiS takes away from FiS development
2. WiS means NEX
as for #1 this is a legitimate concern. Developer A can only work on one thing at a time and that thing would be either WiS or FiS. There's not much getting around this except for the fact that asset-developers (people who make ships for FiS or rooms for WiS) can only work on one thing yes, but balance adjusters (such as who would rejig FW and rebalance ships) don't have much use for developing WiS anyway so there's that.
#2 is an easy fix, just remove NEX.
There's something important to realize here CCP; people aren't buying what you're selling because what you're selling *sucks*. Nobody, NOBODY! not even the WiS fanboys asked you to release ONE EMPTY ROOM and a for-real-cash clothing store. Every-time CCP talked about WiS people thought "Cantina? Cool, can't wait to go hang out in one of those while waiting for an op to start." nobody nobody nobody nobody nobody was craving a captains quarters as the most important thing of WiS.
Just put out the 4 CQ, build a cantina and people might warm up to the idea! And it's not even that huge of a commitment anymore, you've already built all the god-damn avatar and rendering tech! Just slap some bulkheads together and call it a cantina. Hell. You guys can do it, why don't you? It's like walking off the race track when you're a meter from the finish line.
I just hope you don't have sex like you do expansions, where's the happy ending for everybody? Just commit to finish even if everybody looks embarrassed and unsatisfied after but ffs finish! |
Tristan North
The Scope
23
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:57:00 -
[117] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous. Cry about it. Hooray cool goon? Can I taste your tears?
No, go back to taste Mittani's ass.
|
Nak hak
25
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:58:00 -
[118] - Quote
Nah. Don't want it anymore. 
"We have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision,.... not our fault." You fools.-á LOL!
Best Regards,
Nak hak |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
34
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:59:00 -
[119] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Flamespar wrote:Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this. No, we get it. Again the concept is still extremely limited. What gameplay functionality was there anyways? There's a thousand times more crap to do in FiS than WiS.
So, you don't want anything to do when you get sick of flying your Internet Spaceship? I mean, I don't know about you, but I eventually want to do something other than shoot sixteen Gisii Hijackers for the millionth time in a row.
Honestly, you took one look at Incarna and ran for the airlock. The CQs were not intended to be the only part of Incarna.
It's like judging a peanut factory because they haven't filled all the packages yet. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
29
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 22:02:00 -
[120] - Quote
i have a post about how they could do WiS as a mini mmo inside of eve with its own income to support being on a diff sever as to not take away from the the FiS server resources
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 .. 159 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |