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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
57
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:51:00 -
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Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
81
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:53:00 -
[2] - Quote
get out |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
13
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:54:00 -
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Abandon WiS. |
mkint
185
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:54:00 -
[4] - Quote
hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. |
Montevius Williams
Trigger works
23
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:55:00 -
[5] - Quote
I think most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented. |
CoLe Blackblood
the united Negative Ten.
3
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:59:00 -
[6] - Quote
I like the idea of Walking in Stations. The scope of what CCP is trying to do with their space game is quite impressive...rather than being like every other nub on here and saying GTFO, I will say that we need more spaceships way before we need to go to the cantina. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:59:00 -
[7] - Quote
Walking in stations is a trap. Hopefully CCP doesn't fall for it again. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:59:00 -
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i want it.
like for you! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1175
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:00:00 -
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look the low end of the iq curve is piping up again lets all listen to what they have to say |
Tristan North
The Scope
20
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:02:00 -
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mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! |
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Severian Carnifex
23
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:02:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
+1 |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
108
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:03:00 -
[12] - Quote
2 out of 10 for Wis
a clear majority 20%.... The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
59
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:04:00 -
[13] - Quote
Over an hour, and not even 1 page of responses... Yeah, let the threadnaught begin. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:05:00 -
[14] - Quote
Based on some of the badposting going on in this thread I think we can assume that it's one guy and his sock puppet army that want WiS. |
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:05:00 -
[15] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler
No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones.
And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ.
I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS.
Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ?
I wonder why I keep paying. |
Kengutsi Akira
93
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:05:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:get out
"vocal minority"
You arent corrupting EVE into what you wanted. EVE is about spaceships. If you think otherwise, youre deluded. Now leave.
Quote:Dont let the door hit you where the Good Lord split ya *****
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
33
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:05:00 -
[17] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray!
Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions.
Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships. "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
74
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:08:00 -
[18] - Quote
Like you said WiS is dead so please leave EVE and stop posting CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
142
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:11:00 -
[19] - Quote
Tell us, exactly what is it you want from WiS that you thought you were going to get? More hallways to walk in? Fancier stations to look at?
Many of us want it, eventually.
What we don't want is CCP to ignore the real game for 36 months (because it took 18+ just to produce one CQ) before they even figure out how WiS improves the gameplay.
Space-barbie is neat looking, but adds 0 gameplay. Walking around typing /dance, /emote and other /animate_my_barbie commands is also neat, but adds 0 gameplay. Having "establishments" is just sounding like a pretty graphical interface for the market at best.
Granted CCP is bad at communicating, but it seems to me that all WiS is is yet another nifty tech demo of how to animate a person.
I'd rather have something useful to the gameplay like engine trails tbh.
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
bornaa
GRiD.
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:11:00 -
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Morganta wrote:2 out of 10 for Wis
a clear majority 20%....
look at likes OP got... some ppl dont want to fight with ppl that just know to say "go back to wow" so they only like...
i would like WiS too but not like CCP started implement it the first time...
to CCP less errors with customer relations! |
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Mersault
Angels of Alina Stardust Underground
29
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:12:00 -
[21] - Quote
When blowing up someone's stuff just isn't enough it would be nice to shoot them in the face.
In game.
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mkint
187
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:13:00 -
[22] - Quote
You know, if all you barbie rookies were to post in the same threads rather than make a 1-off post in a 1-off thread, you'd look more like an involved part of EVE that has some understanding about the realities of EVE and it's future. All these anti-WIS posters could be completely outnumbered by the barbie-ites, but it won't look that way because the barbie-ites never post in eachothers' threads. All the thread is 1 pro barbie, and dozens of anti-barbie. And over and over and over, because you people spam the same goddamned thread over and over again. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
341
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:13:00 -
[23] - Quote
I want WiS, and had been looking forward to it ever since I heard about it, but I didn't know they were gonna let the game fall to **** to do it. If the price of WiS is FiS has to suffer, I'm not willing to pay that price. |
mingetek
Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
10
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:14:00 -
[24] - Quote
eve online has had Warping In Space since for ever! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
91
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:14:00 -
[25] - Quote
The vast majority of the player base does still want WIS, there has been increasing demand for some years now.
However:
They want it implemented in the way that was outlined in the beginning, with engaging game play that made sense to take place in that environment.
They want it developed to the point that it is worthwhile before it is released.
They want it developed with a REASONABLE percentage of Dev resources devoted to it, not most of them.
They want it to be tech stable before it is released, and running smoothly.
They want it to be optional.
They want it to compliment and enhance FIS content.
They want any items produced by/for Incarna to be produced by the community and tie directly into the existing industry infra structure.
Simply put, they want it to be worth while, fun, and have a point.
Until they get a handle on how to do this, further development is pointless.
Work on the plan, not the product at this point. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:15:00 -
[26] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:look the low end of the iq curve is piping up again lets all listen to what they have to say
Why yes it is, you are indeed piping up. I can't promise anyone will listen to you though, that is beyond my power.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
79
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:15:00 -
[27] - Quote
Thread locked for trolling ALL GëívGëí Ships | Odd-áGëívGëí Items | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
36
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:15:00 -
[28] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:I'd rather have something useful to the gameplay like engine trails tbh.
Quoted for irony.
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:16:00 -
[29] - Quote
Walking in Stations is a huge task and one which really hadn't been thought out properly.
We're talking stations of over 20 km in size. How are we going to walk around that lot? What are we going to do in there? In fact, what is in all those thousands of miles of corridors and how are we going to interact?
I've seen other games where we've had taverns in towns where players could meet and, always, they're empty. So, if we're wanting an Eve version of Mallory's Bar (The Gap) or that bar from Total Recall then we're going to have to have something worth our while going around walking in stations.
When I was playing other games I never once saw the point of towns or cities where we could meet other players. Not once did I say I'll spend the evening playing BadgerQuest or whatever and spend the time sitting around in a town. And neither did I once run into any players who were hanging around like extras in Westerns lounging around on the boardwalks.
In every MMO that I have played, players would come into town - because the had to - get whatever it was they had to have done done as fast as they could - and then beetle off to do some whatever they did out of the towns.
So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players? I have, at the moment no interest in WiS and I can't see me every having any interest in doing so. CCP would have to pull a massive rabbit out of a hat to make me interested. And if they tried to force us to leave the pod to find an agent/repairshop/refinery then the recent rage would be nothing compared to that storm.
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
365
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:16:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:I want WiS, and had been looking forward to it ever since I heard about it, but I didn't know they were gonna let the game fall to **** to do it. If the price of WiS is FiS has to suffer, I'm not willing to pay that price. This is a Good Post.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
321
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:16:00 -
[31] - Quote
Sadly, this is exactly why a lot of game developers don't promise to implement whatever the players demand.
For the record, Incarna/WiS was lusted after for years, it was very popular and used to be know as Ambulation back when everyone wanted it.
Even more hilarious is that hundreds of players unsubbed over that time because CCP hadn't delivered Ambulation yet, and they were all waiting.
Than, CCP finally gets to it, calls it Incarna, and every cries foul and wants their spaceships back.
CCP promises to give spaceships more attention, and people start unsubbing again because they've stopped work on Incarna.
Its almost comical, but the lesson to be learned is that player demand/feedback is only worth so much. Apparently, the player base has no patience when it comes to having a company develop custom technologies to suit their every whim.
No matter what CCP does, they are "screwing over" someone. No matter what they announce, people will unsub over it. |
Kengutsi Akira
93
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:17:00 -
[32] - Quote
Paragon Renegade wrote:Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions. Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships.
This. Every time I see WiS people crying about their side game getting cancelled, I start hearing Charlie Sheen quotes. CCP deciding to work on WiS at this point is about as realistic as his claims.
Look, I know you all arent gonna realize this, but Ill take another stab at it anyways.
THE ONLY REASON WE FINALLY GOT WIS IS BECAUSE OF WoD.
WoD got SHELVED WiS Got SHELVED
Its NOT a gigantic logical leap here guys n gals. WiS was Beta for WoD.
Check this out, I even have LINKS that support that claim http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspx
Quote:Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced They felt there was a reason to REASSURE THE WoD ppl that the engine in Incarna WASNT what was gonna ship with THEIR MMO
Now that WoD isnt coming out any time soon theyre not working on WiS. Hell they announced the "back burner"ing of both projects on the same day. They could have at least pretended there wasnt a connection but they didnt lol
Now I get that a lot of this delusional WiS crowd hasnt been in EVE long as they "Just signed up for WiS", but CCP has a track record. When they stop work on a feature. They dont go back to it. See Faction Warfare and a slew of others. WiS will be worked on again when WoD is being worked on again, and not before.
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
133
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:17:00 -
[33] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
WE WANT ESTABLISHMENTS, NOT CQ! NOT NEX! |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
133
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:18:00 -
[34] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
WE WANT ESTABLISHMENTS, NOT CQ! NOT NEX! |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
102
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:19:00 -
[35] - Quote
Here is a thought... Go set up some protests in jita to usher in the spectacular return of WIS and see how many you get? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:20:00 -
[36] - Quote
We don't have WIS because the Carbon platform is a complete failure and they can't fix it within a remotely acceptable timetable. Nothing to do with customer outcry. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
68
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:20:00 -
[37] - Quote
Not that many! -á
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Tristan North
The Scope
21
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:20:00 -
[38] - Quote
Paragon Renegade wrote:Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions. Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships. More priority, agree, where did i say stop FiS for WiS? I want a game that have both, but the FiS trolls prefer a game that will never see any improvement/change that is not in their interest.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
321
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:22:00 -
[39] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:The vast majority of the player base does still want WIS, there has been increasing demand for some years now.
However:
They want it implemented in the way that was outlined in the beginning, with engaging game play that made sense to take place in that environment.
They want it developed to the point that it is worthwhile before it is released.
They want it developed with a REASONABLE percentage of Dev resources devoted to it, not most of them.
They want it to be tech stable before it is released, and running smoothly.
They want it to be optional.
They want it to compliment and enhance FIS content.
They want any items produced by/for Incarna to be produced by the community and tie directly into the existing industry infra structure.
Simply put, they want it to be worth while, fun, and have a point.
Until they get a handle on how to do this, further development is pointless.
Work on the plan, not the product at this point.
They also want it delivered on their timetable,
they also want ponies
they also want it to cost them nothing
they also want their personal pet projects updated
they also want Hilmar's head as an in-game item they can loot and blow up
they also want the world.
It's easy to want stuff, its not easy to patiently accept the fact that this is all code that has to be programmed from nothing, and it takes time, costs money, and since its never been done before, its going to have bugs.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
91
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:24:00 -
[40] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Walking in Stations is a huge task and one which really hadn't been thought out properly.
We're talking stations of over 20 km in size. How are we going to walk around that lot? What are we going to do in there? In fact, what is in all those thousands of miles of corridors and how are we going to interact?
I've seen other games where we've had taverns in towns where players could meet and, always, they're empty. So, if we're wanting an Eve version of Mallory's Bar (The Gap) or that bar from Total Recall then we're going to have to have something worth our while going around walking in stations.
When I was playing other games I never once saw the point of towns or cities where we could meet other players. Not once did I say I'll spend the evening playing BadgerQuest or whatever and spend the time sitting around in a town. And neither did I once run into any players who were hanging around like extras in Westerns lounging around on the boardwalks.
In every MMO that I have played, players would come into town - because the had to - get whatever it was they had to have done done as fast as they could - and then beetle off to do some whatever they did out of the towns.
So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players? I have, at the moment no interest in WiS and I can't see me every having any interest in doing so. CCP would have to pull a massive rabbit out of a hat to make me interested. And if they tried to force us to leave the pod to find an agent/repairshop/refinery then the recent rage would be nothing compared to that storm.
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work.
There have been countless suggestions from the player base that would provide fun, logical, immersive Incarna game play... far too many to repost here. You'll have to look at some of the countless Incarna related threads to find them, that is if you haven't already made up your mind.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
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Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
76
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:25:00 -
[41] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions. Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships. More priority, agree, where did i say stop FiS for WiS? I want a game that have both, but the FiS trolls prefer a game that will never see any improvement/change that is not in their interest.
It is true that when i pay for a product i want them to implement things that interest me. HOW SHOCKING!! CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Kengutsi Akira
93
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:25:00 -
[42] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions. Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships. More priority, agree, where did i say stop FiS for WiS? I want a game that have both, but the FiS trolls prefer a game that will never see any improvement/change that is not in their interest.
There is no FiS Its called EVE Get it right at least
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
68
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:25:00 -
[43] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:[quote=Ranger 1]The vast majority of the player base does still want WIS, there has been increasing demand for some years now.
they also want Hilmar's head as an in-game item they can loot and blow up
Nothing personal but that parts sounds pimp! -á
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Kengutsi Akira
93
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:26:00 -
[44] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
they also want it to cost them nothing
To be fair, CCP brought this demand upon their own heads.
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:27:00 -
[45] - Quote
Mr. Gorbachev tear down this door! |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:29:00 -
[46] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
/agreed
+1
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Kengutsi Akira
93
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:30:00 -
[47] - Quote
Anela Cistine wrote:Mr. Gorbachev tear down this door!
and/or roll back the game to before CQ and get these people that came to this game for the wrong reason out
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
mkint
188
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:30:00 -
[48] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions. Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships. More priority, agree, where did i say stop FiS for WiS? I want a game that have both, but the FiS trolls prefer a game that will never see any improvement/change that is not in their interest. That is what they did for 2 whole goddamned years. They had 6 dudes working on EVE, out of a company of 600 people. That's all kinds of fuckedup. CCP has NEVER said they are completely stopping development on barbie. I bet they are still keeping more than the 6 devs that EVE got. And for all those years that barbie was in development with most of that being focused on by 99% of the whole goddamned company, we got captains cupboard. Barbie was a BAD investment.
Fix EVE. Make it worth it to keep playing EVE. Extend the rookie burn rate beyond 6 months (the average career of the average rookie) out to 6 years. Then they can take all the time in the world to make barbie into more than just barbie. |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
35
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:30:00 -
[49] - Quote
Tristan North wrote: More priority, agree, where did i say stop FiS for WiS? I want a game that have both, but the FiS trolls prefer a game that will never see any improvement/change that is not in their interest.
I would like establishments, smuggling & perhaps even WiS combat missions or whatever.
But putting WiS over FiS is a horrible idea, just by virtue of the game's premise. "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
T'Laar Bok
34
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:32:00 -
[50] - Quote
WiS was CCPs attempt to appeal to the Agoraphobics niche of the market hence the single small room and big scary balcony of doom for the more brave.
Unfortunately they discovered its not that big of a niche.
Amphetimines are your friend. |
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Kengutsi Akira
93
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:34:00 -
[51] - Quote
mkint wrote:Tristan North wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions. Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships. More priority, agree, where did i say stop FiS for WiS? I want a game that have both, but the FiS trolls prefer a game that will never see any improvement/change that is not in their interest. That is what they did for 2 whole goddamned years. They had 6 dudes working on EVE, out of a company of 600 people. That's all kinds of fuckedup. CCP has NEVER said they are completely stopping development on barbie. I bet they are still keeping more than the 6 devs that EVE got. And for all those years that barbie was in development with most of that being focused on by 99% of the whole goddamned company, we got captains cupboard. Barbie was a BAD investment. Fix EVE. Make it worth it to keep playing EVE. Extend the rookie burn rate beyond 6 months (the average career of the average rookie) out to 6 years. Then they can take all the time in the world to make barbie into more than just barbie.
Hell yes this. Id much rather they turn away from this trend and work on the main game instead of a side game Ill never play. You WiS wanters saw the same chain of events we did, if you actually give a **** about this game and not just your feature of the month, youd shut the hell up and let CCP recover before making these demands. Id rather have EVE than let you guys **** it all up, **** over CCP and get this game destroyed listening to you. If you want Barbie, there are a hell of a lot more games out there for you, get the hell out of the ONE that isnt this. You wont be missed and you can even keep your stuff.
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:35:00 -
[52] - Quote
Kudos to the unidimensional thinkers for creating a false dichotomy. To have Incarna fleshed out and delivered doesn't preclude the continuing evolution of the space combat portions of the game. They can peacefully co-exist; it's CCP's poor implementation of Incarna's debut that was the problem. Hilmar and company saw a well organized, very vocal and sizable group (whether that group truly represents the "will of the playerbase" I don't know) and got scared. Now they're moving the pendulum too far in the other direction and tossing us who wanted Incarna (as it was initially presented) under the bus.
A lot of people (me included) were, and still are, looking forward to being able to interact with other players in ways besides shooting at a soundless, zoomed out bunch of red icons on a HUD.
You guys saying "it's only 20%" who want Incarna (and you have no idea but, let's take your figure for the sake of argument) think about what impact it would have if CCP loses 20% of its subscribers. It probably wouldn't kill Eve but, in these economic times what business wants to risk cutting off 1/5 of its revenues like that?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
91
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:37:00 -
[53] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions. Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships. This. Every time I see WiS people crying about their side game getting cancelled, I start hearing Charlie Sheen quotes. CCP deciding to work on WiS at this point is about as realistic as his claims. Look, I know you all arent gonna realize this, but Ill take another stab at it anyways. THE ONLY REASON WE FINALLY GOT WIS IS BECAUSE OF WoD. WoD got SHELVED WiS Got SHELVED Its NOT a gigantic logical leap here guys n gals. WiS was Beta for WoD. Check this out, I even have LINKS that support that claim http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspxQuote:Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced They felt there was a reason to REASSURE THE WoD ppl that the engine in Incarna WASNT what was gonna ship with THEIR MMO Now that WoD isnt coming out any time soon theyre not working on WiS. Hell they announced the "back burner"ing of both projects on the same day. They could have at least pretended there wasnt a connection but they didnt lol Now I get that a lot of this delusional WiS crowd hasnt been in EVE long as they "Just signed up for WiS", but CCP has a track record. When they stop work on a feature. They dont go back to it. See Faction Warfare and a slew of others. WiS will be worked on again when WoD is being worked on again, and not before.
You often make decent points and observations, but I need to point out...
CCP never kept it a secret that they were developing the Incarna tech for both games. Indeed, unifying development of one engine for both games is simply smart business. If you had a chance to develop a new and exciting Avatar based game AND use that technology to give your existing customers something they had been clamoring for years for you to develop, you'd do the same thing.
As for CCP never going back to something once they drop it, using FW an example is probably a bad choice considering that it will be a significant part of the Winter expansion. Not that they don't have a history of doing exactly that (with the exception of PI) but FW is a very bad example.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
19
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:37:00 -
[54] - Quote
i think this is something that needs to be said.
with Fis you can DIE ! no matter where you are.
with Wis you can't, not even in low sec/null sec
how to fix FiS --------> oh hang on CCP already knows how to do this, nothing worth saying (many many threads about this)
how to fix WiS --------> do not release it until it is WiS and not WiCQ, also allow for the death of people on stations, use the exact same mechanics as high sec/low sec/null sec standings effect and concord response times.
then i bet WiS would be as much fun and have as much meaning as FiS.
walking around looking good,, this is what will make WiS a total failure, walking around shooting the **** out of people you have issues with,, now there's a game that people who love eve would be interested in and support fully.
anything else is NOT EVE !
oh on a side note, NEX store,, allow people to make **** and sell it on stations, CCP sell station production plex to allow people to produce and sell vanity items, CCP earns some extra cash and players get to drive the market.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. The Lostboys
97
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:37:00 -
[55] - Quote
I also want it. But if its just a fashion show, only a few role players will use it.
It needs content, and I want WiS with content. I do not want yet another feature to be abandoned. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
65
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:38:00 -
[56] - Quote
Written Word wrote:We don't have WIS because the Carbon platform is a complete failure and they can't fix it within a remotely acceptable timetable. Nothing to do with customer outcry.
^^^^^ This
Bottom line, WiS station was promised before CCP bet on the new shiny of Carbon. Carbon is not a viable engine for WiS. CCP needs to go back and consider using another engine (like the one being used for Dust that will also has a PC version) and deliver this feature. Everyone I know wants WiS and just pulling the plug with CQ is lame.
Issler |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:39:00 -
[57] - Quote
Everyone knows the forum posters are the vocal minority, there are lots of players that never even come here. and with some of the regular posters, i wouldn't blame them. if someone doesnt like your idea or opinion you get the trendy "Get Out" or "Leave my game alone" or whatever the troll/flamer feels like spouting off because they really just have narrow minds and think that they are the supreme know it alls and "OMGWHYDOESNTCCPHIREMETOHELPTHEMDEVELOPTHEIRGAMETOMYLIKINGSWTFBBQSAUZEIOWN" there are a lot of players with different play styles and varying different views on FIS/WIS. Like the decision has to be ONE over the OTHER, nope absolutely cannot be BOTH.
CCP should do the smart thing, survey their subscribers/non-subscribers. I wouldn't rely on trolls for my information on what the players want. all the naysayers are buddies anyways, and they will just swarm here to counter your idea or suggestion just to pummel you with negativity, then say "look CCP, see, we don't want this!"
I am happy just to see the EVE Devs working on EVE, a game that I subscribe to with 4 accounts. I'm not playing for WOD and I'm not playing for DUST. In the end, if i see progress in EVE, whether or not it suits my game play preferences, I am happy none the less. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
404
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:40:00 -
[58] - Quote
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships.
LOL an MMO player talking about FPS. Like any of you have a clue.
EVE, like all MMOs, is easymode, low skill gaming. If you can PVP with a mouse in one hand and a slice of pizza in the other then you are the typical MMO player. Don't even dare to think about incorporating a game of skill into EVE.
This is why Dust needs to be released sooner than later. A lot of people want a twitch skill game. EVE is losing out on a vast part of the gaming market.
If you added anything in EVE that required the use of the WASD keys(walking, for instance), half the playerbase would (threaten to) quit. Oh wait...
Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Tristan North
The Scope
22
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:41:00 -
[59] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
There is no FiS Its called EVE Get it right at least
Really? Spaceships&Explosions is EvE? Thought it was a game with a lot of stuffs.
Trainwreck McGee wrote:
It is true that when i pay for a product i want them to implement things that interest me. HOW SHOCKING!!
It is true that when i pay for a product i want them to implement ONLY things that interest me and **** the rest. That's shocking, yes.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
221
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:41:00 -
[60] - Quote
I still don't see the point of WiS, since I can't dress up my jita alt as a *****. |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:43:00 -
[61] - Quote
Nick Bete wrote:Kudos to the unidimensional thinkers for creating a false dichotomy. To have Incarna fleshed out and delivered doesn't preclude the continuing evolution of the space combat portions of the game. They can peacefully co-exist; it's CCP's poor implementation of Incarna's debut that was the problem. Hilmar and company saw a well organized, very vocal and sizable group (whether that group truly represents the "will of the playerbase" I don't know) and got scared. Now they're moving the pendulum too far in the other direction and tossing us who wanted Incarna (as it was initially presented) under the bus.
A lot of people (me included) were, and still are, looking forward to being able to interact with other players in ways besides shooting at a soundless, zoomed out bunch of red icons on a HUD.
You guys saying "it's only 20%" who want Incarna (and you have no idea but, let's take your figure for the sake of argument) think about what impact it would have if CCP loses 20% of its subscribers. It probably wouldn't kill Eve but, in these economic times what business wants to risk cutting off 1/5 of its revenues like that?
make sure you send a thank-you card to aunt muriel for the thesaurus |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:44:00 -
[62] - Quote
or thank the guy from the end of matrix II for ghostwriting your post, whichever is correct |
Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:45:00 -
[63] - Quote
Id very much like WiS but what i want more than that is spaceship suff All Carebears Must Die. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:47:00 -
[64] - Quote
I want interesting and usable content.
Captain's Quarters has been a pathetic failure on this count, so it can die in a fire. |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
36
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:48:00 -
[65] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:
Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships.
LOL an MMO player talking about FPS. Like any of you have a clue. EVE, like all MMOs, is easymode, low skill gaming. If you can PVP with a mouse in one hand and a slice of pizza in the other then you are the typical MMO player. Don't even dare to think about incorporating a game of skill into EVE. This is why Dust needs to be released sooner than later. A lot of people want a twitch skill game. EVE is losing out on a vast part of the gaming market. If you added anything in EVE that required the use of the WASD keys(walking, for instance), half the playerbase would (threaten to) quit. Oh wait... Mr Epeen
Not sure if serious........ "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
13
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:49:00 -
[66] - Quote
No walking in station is nonessential not working not interesting part of the game .
Vision that CCP shoved us is years(maybe never) away only thing we got and will got if wis is to continue is nex joke with poker and similar crap that are nothing more than "cheap lack of idea product" no thanks go ruin some other game. |
Tristan North
The Scope
22
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:51:00 -
[67] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Hell yes this. Id much rather they turn away from this trend and work on the main game instead of a side game Ill never play. You WiS wanters saw the same chain of events we did, if you actually give a **** about this game and not just your feature of the month, youd shut the hell up and let CCP recover before making these demands. Id rather have EVE than let you guys **** it all up, **** over CCP and get this game destroyed listening to you. If you want Barbie, there are a hell of a lot more games out there for you, get the hell out of the ONE that isnt this. You wont be missed and you can even keep your stuff.
CCP didn't spend years with all the devs working on WiS, they weren't even working on EvE. It's obvious untill you're ********.
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Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:52:00 -
[68] - Quote
All the trolls aside, yeah, some of us do want WiS, and have done so since who knows when. Current implementation aside (see what I did there?), it would be an awesome addition to the Science Fiction game with spaceships I started to pay for.
There's an immense amount of lore and backstory for EVE, but only one fourth of it is in the spaceship department. Spaceships do tie in with the rest of it, but it's not the whole damn thing. It's the arrogance of a few pilots that makes it seem more important than it is in the big picture, and the arrogance of few vocal ones was what led SOE astray with SWG... Don't do the same mistake all over again.
EVE is about spaceships, yes, but that's not ALL it is about, and there's only so much content for spaceships you can make in the end. Developing different types of content and making it all work together is a lot of work, but it will open up combinations that expand the amount of things you can do exponentially (at least in an ideal situation).
Also, people constantly crying about BARBIE are obviously upset with their current avatars, so allow them a makeover, please . |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:54:00 -
[69] - Quote
I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:59:00 -
[70] - Quote
Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there.
After observing some of the Goons' avatars on the forums, I can understand that. Also, I get it that they're made that way since they weren't interested in the idea in the first place, but honestly, beyond some of the CSM, who cares what the Goons think? |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:59:00 -
[71] - Quote
the funny thing is, you know who wrote a column about how great an addition incarna would be and then got rather embarassed when captain's quarters hit?
CSM chairman for life The Mittani
doesn't matter if you want it or not, the reality is CCP can't deliver |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:00:00 -
[72] - Quote
seriously, it's on ten ton hammer, and his "oops, mea culpa" followup column when incarna was such **** |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
68
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:00:00 -
[73] - Quote
To the WiS haters, I never suggested stopping work in the FiS content. I am commenting that Hilmar is wrong about folks in Eve not wanting WiS, a lot do! And ending WiS development after delivering the only single player per instance prison cell MMO in the 'verse will be a constant reminder of how lame CCP is at things.
I'd suggest WoD is dead, not because there isn't a huge market for MMO vampire games, but because CCP finally realized there is no way to commercialize a game based on the Carbon engine.
What I want (and I think a lot of other folks) is for CCP to let us know there is staffing asigned to WiS, that they will farm the best suggestions that the players have offered about how WiS would make Eve better and finally they will be finding a new engine for WiS going forward.
We now have to live with a character generator a lot of us think isn't as good as the original one (at least if all we can do is sit locked in a prison cell with no promise of any improvements). I know I liked my previous portraits better.
Please CCP add some sort of interaction with other players in CQ! (you could let us tap code through the walls to the CQ next to us and at least make more like the prison cell it is!!!)
CCP show us you have a plan to go further than Captains Prison Rooms because if you claim you stopped because no one in Eve wants a WiS experience you are wrong or lying!
Issler |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:01:00 -
[74] - Quote
Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there.
so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago.
so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH
actually, looking at the server graph, its less than 1/5 lol go figure. people swinging their weight around as if it has some merit |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:04:00 -
[75] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:the funny thing is, you know who wrote a column about how great an addition incarna would be and then got rather embarassed when captain's quarters hit?
CSM chairman for life The Mittani
doesn't matter if you want it or not, the reality is CCP can't deliver
You're not wrong. The current CQ is not what Incarna should've been about. However, bashing the idea of WiS based on that CQ is hardly worth note, because the idea behind it is still good, it's just the realization of the idea that leaves a lot to desire. Abandoning whole WiS as it is just because some people can't see beyond the moment is not a good idea after making the first steps towards it. Delay it if it's not ready, sure, but abandon fully? Not smart. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
68
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:06:00 -
[76] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago. so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH
That makes a strong case for it. I bet less than 1/5 of Eve is in WHs, has a supercapital, does PW, has a POS, flies T3, participates in the Alliance Tournemant......
Issler |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:06:00 -
[77] - Quote
Cyra Mangeiri wrote:Weaselior wrote:the funny thing is, you know who wrote a column about how great an addition incarna would be and then got rather embarassed when captain's quarters hit?
CSM chairman for life The Mittani
doesn't matter if you want it or not, the reality is CCP can't deliver You're not wrong. The current CQ is not what Incarna should've been about. However, bashing the idea of WiS based on that CQ is hardly worth note, because the idea behind it is still good, it's just the realization of the idea that leaves a lot to desire. Abandoning whole WiS as it is just because some people can't see beyond the moment is not a good idea after making the first steps towards it. Delay it if it's not ready, sure, but abandon fully? Not smart.
CCP can't do it. they don't have the finances to fund three development projects at once, and incarna is actually WoD stuff. Before, it was EVE getting the short end of the stick, but that doesn't work because EVE pays the bills. Since DUST is actually close to release, it's WoD, and therefore Incarna, that get shelved until there's more money. You can't get both with CCP's finances |
Ilkahn
United Aerospace Co-op
3
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:07:00 -
[78] - Quote
I want WiS, however, i play this game to fly spaceships. Now, there are times we'd all like to maybe fly to Jita to dock at the "Capsuleers Center" or whatever they do with stations.
IMO, i think having 1 station per hi sec area where you can dock and go play cards and experience the WiS aspect would be sufficient. Maybe have a mocked down version for regular stations so folks can get a feel for controls. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:08:00 -
[79] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago. so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH actually, looking at the server graph, its less than 1/5 lol go figure. people swinging their weight around as if it has some merit
you know who probably didn't like incarna?
the 20-40k players who stopped playing
seriously how do you post those numbers and not get it |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
741
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:09:00 -
[80] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
You're going to get 300% more WiS content in the winter expansion than you did in Incarna.
Stop being being greedy. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
13
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:11:00 -
[81] - Quote
OP isn't correct: there is no more faith in CCP intention to implement WiS during next 8-20 months and majority of players who wanted WiS already unsubscribed and just waiting for game time to xpire while playing other games or waiting for KotOR.
Internet spaceships isn't the only entertaining pixels around. |
Tristan North
The Scope
22
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:11:00 -
[82] - Quote
Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
10
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:12:00 -
[83] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago. so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH actually, looking at the server graph, its less than 1/5 lol go figure. people swinging their weight around as if it has some merit you know who probably didn't like incarna? the 20-40k players who stopped playing seriously how do you post those numbers and not get it
You don't actually know why the quit though do you? It could of been: Boredom Lack of Direction and Future for EVE (FIS OR WIS) Leaving because Incarna the way it was delivered, was lame and left them wanting more Left for feeling cheated because their subs were being used for development of games they have no interest int Left for the lack of communication on the behalf of the CCP staff Left for any other reason and I'm sure that some may have left due to a combination of all of the following? certainly cannot justify your argument on numbers that you THINK are numbers that benefit your preferences |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
366
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:13:00 -
[84] - Quote
Nick Bete wrote:Kudos to the unidimensional thinkers for creating a false dichotomy. To have Incarna fleshed out and delivered doesn't preclude the continuing evolution of the space combat portions of the game. In theory you may be right but in the real world CCP neglected Eve to work on a bunch of other stuff and the game suffered for it.
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Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:13:00 -
[85] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:CCP can't do it. they don't have the finances to fund three development projects at once, and incarna is actually WoD stuff. Before, it was EVE getting the short end of the stick, but that doesn't work because EVE pays the bills. Since DUST is actually close to release, it's WoD, and therefore Incarna, that get shelved until there's more money. You can't get both with CCP's finances
Even so, the point stands. CCP themselves have admitted that it was rushed (even if it took them YEARS to accomplish it), and as such, it's raw. And me myself am too acquainted with corporate policies to hold much faith in the words of a CEO, but I still maintain that done properly, WiS will (would) be an asset to EVE, something that really adds to the universe at whole, not just a small part of it.
I'll hold judgement on whether they can do it properly or not, but I shan't hold judgement on all the doomsayers predicting the end of the world just because it's a feature they don't want. This shouldn't be an unclear stance. |
Barakkus
952
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:14:00 -
[86] - Quote
Written Word wrote:We don't have WIS because the Carbon platform is a complete failure and they can't fix it within a remotely acceptable timetable. Nothing to do with customer outcry.
I think you missed the patch notes from last week. Carbon is more than walking around btw.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
10
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:15:00 -
[87] - Quote
in the end, CCP still has not Polled or Surveyed their current and previous subscribers. If they survey people when they cancel (i don't know if they do because I haven't cancelled since a brief moment in 06) then I am sure they would (hopefully) use that feedback to at least really know why people cancelled. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
20
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:16:00 -
[88] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago. so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH actually, looking at the server graph, its less than 1/5 lol go figure. people swinging their weight around as if it has some merit you know who probably didn't like incarna? the 20-40k players who stopped playing seriously how do you post those numbers and not get it
all players in any game have a shelf life, new content in expansions keeps players interested, so when the content sucks balls we all know what to expect. i really think the sh*** that was incarna gave peoeple the excuse they needed, i know i know,, why would anyone need an excuse,, for some reason, people in EVE do, just look back at all the emo rage i quit posts.
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:16:00 -
[89] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous. Cry about it. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:17:00 -
[90] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:in the end, CCP still has not Polled or Surveyed their current and previous subscribers. If they survey people when they cancel (i don't know if they do because I haven't cancelled since a brief moment in 06) then I am sure they would (hopefully) use that feedback to at least really know why people cancelled. I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment. |
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Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:21:00 -
[91] - Quote
Karadion wrote:I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment.
This isn't an accurate number of how many dislike the station environment, though, it's an accurate number of how many dislike it as is (rushed, unfinished) and how many suffer from the unrealistic hardware requirements (unpolished, rushed, unfinished),
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Barakkus
952
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:21:00 -
[92] - Quote
Depending on what I'm doing I switch between the two. If I'm sitting around chatting waiting for a fleet or whatever, I'll go sit on the couch...if I'm shipping up or dock/refit/undock I have the hangar up... |
Tashanaka
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:22:00 -
[93] - Quote
CoLe Blackblood wrote:I like the idea of Walking in Stations. The scope of what CCP is trying to do with their space game is quite impressive...rather than being like every other nub on here and saying GTFO, I will say that we need more spaceships way before we need to go to the cantina.
Agreed, WiS is a nice concept but once you walk around the station what is there to do? Nothing. What activities are going to add to WiS? No real details yet. What is going to make WiS better than docking into the hanger view? Nothing so far. So, where are the details?
CCP needs to put WiS on the back burner and work on FiS features/balance/upgrades until they have a concept for WiS that'd make it worth getting out of the hanger. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
20
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:23:00 -
[94] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Kudos to the unidimensional thinkers for creating a false dichotomy. To have Incarna fleshed out and delivered doesn't preclude the continuing evolution of the space combat portions of the game. In theory you may be right but in the real world CCP neglected Eve to work on a bunch of other stuff and the game suffered for it.
it was neglect alright, but not because CCP neglected EVE, they neglected to listen to the players of EVE. God knows enough of us said during testing on sisi that CCP should not realease it until it was ready. CCP had the edge over other companies, that edge was listening to the players, this was the neglect that caused the fail. it looks like that's been fixed, only time will tell. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:23:00 -
[95] - Quote
Cyra Mangeiri wrote:Karadion wrote:I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment. This isn't an accurate number of how many dislike the station environment, though, it's an accurate number of how many dislike it as is (rushed, unfinished) and how many suffer from the unrealistic hardware requirements (unpolished, rushed, unfinished), And given CCP's track records, you expected Incarna to be any better than the horrible form it is now? |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:26:00 -
[96] - Quote
Karadion wrote:And given CCP's track records, you expected Incarna to be any better than the horrible form it is now?
This is not relevant to the point.
And for the record, I didn't expect anything, I've learned not to, so I don't get disappointed.
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Barakkus
952
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:26:00 -
[97] - Quote
Tashanaka wrote:CoLe Blackblood wrote:I like the idea of Walking in Stations. The scope of what CCP is trying to do with their space game is quite impressive...rather than being like every other nub on here and saying GTFO, I will say that we need more spaceships way before we need to go to the cantina. Agreed, WiS is a nice concept but once you walk around the station what is there to do? Nothing. What activities are going to add to WiS? No real details yet. What is going to make WiS better than docking into the hanger view? Nothing so far. So, where are the details? CCP needs to put WiS on the back burner and work on FiS features/balance/upgrades until they have a concept for WiS that'd make it worth getting out of the hanger.
They had one, as seen in the video from 2008 which we never got, but it looked awesome. |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:29:00 -
[98] - Quote
Yeah, there was a concept that didn't quite make it for Incarna, if you'll allow me the understatement. The concept, however, is awesome, and not unattainable, as long as they don't get hung up on making it as high poly count as they can without frying hardware. |
Tristan North
The Scope
23
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:30:00 -
[99] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous. Cry about it. Hooray cool goon?
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
21
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:32:00 -
[100] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Kudos to the unidimensional thinkers for creating a false dichotomy. To have Incarna fleshed out and delivered doesn't preclude the continuing evolution of the space combat portions of the game. In theory you may be right but in the real world CCP neglected Eve to work on a bunch of other stuff and the game suffered for it.
plus one to both thoughts
I'd have preffered something far less abitious with real features.. there is no way a room full of our full featured avatars jumping up and down , raising cups or guns etc wouldn't burn up even the best gaming computers at this point in time and I don't really understand why that didn't become apparant 3 or 4 months before the char editor release.
It could have been fun to have a place to do silly things running around in fancy clothes if that were a clamp on....
... probably shouldn't have done anything until after they relased dust. |
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:33:00 -
[101] - Quote
WiS does not have any gameplay. I know i play video games for their gameplay, i don't know about you guys. Also if you think WiS is gameplay then maybe you should be informed that there are other games out there. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
34
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:33:00 -
[102] - Quote
War Kitten wrote: I'd rather have something useful to the gameplay like engine trails tbh.
Not to be a Negative Nancy here, but...
How is exhaust useful to EVE's gameplay?
Will we get a +5% to Choke on Smog, or something? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
92
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:35:00 -
[103] - Quote
Karadion wrote:arcca jeth wrote:in the end, CCP still has not Polled or Surveyed their current and previous subscribers. If they survey people when they cancel (i don't know if they do because I haven't cancelled since a brief moment in 06) then I am sure they would (hopefully) use that feedback to at least really know why people cancelled. I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment.
Well, actually, a lot of people turned off the CQ because it caused a frame rate hit and they couldn't run multiple clients easily, or because content was so limited, or because some of the short cut options they were used to were not there any more. Likely all three.
Not all of them turned it off because they wanted Incarna trashed, never to be iterated on again. Perhaps not even a large percentage of them.
I personally would have no issue with a poll of existing subscribers at logon along the lines of:
1: Incarna and WOD can die in a fire, trash it completely and move on. 2: Incarna and WOD should be on hold for the forseeable future, but not completely forgotten. 3: Incarna and WOD should be on hold for at least a year, and then limited resources should be allocated to it. 4: Incarna and WOD development should continue now, but with a reasonable division of resources. 5: I"m quiting because Incarna and WOD have been so severely cut back.
Followed with a text box entitled:
What Incarna related content and game play features would you like to see eventually, if any?
I think the results would be interesting, especially if it were tied into the login screen, not the forums. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
20
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:35:00 -
[104] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:War Kitten wrote: I'd rather have something useful to the gameplay like engine trails tbh.
Not to be a Negative Nancy here, but... How is exhaust useful to EVE's gameplay? Will we get a +5% to Choke on Smog, or something?
lol |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:36:00 -
[105] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:WiS does not have any gameplay. I know i play video games for their gameplay, i don't know about you guys. Also if you think WiS is gameplay then maybe you should be informed that there are other games out there.
WiS does not have any gameplay as it is, yes. WiS, as envisioned by CCP originally does have gameplay. If you think a failed implementation is all there is to a feature, I should inform you that you should never play any games, period. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
11
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:36:00 -
[106] - Quote
Issler[/quote]
You're going to get 300% more WiS content in the winter expansion than you did in Incarna.
Stop being being greedy.[/quote]
also this |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:39:00 -
[107] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:
Issler
You're going to get 300% more WiS content in the winter expansion than you did in Incarna.
Stop being being greedy.[/quote]
also this[/quote]
You mean; "also this is still missing the whole point by a mile, while smiling stupidly for the photographer who's taking a photo of you and your wife, who's also your mother and grandmother". |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
11
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:41:00 -
[108] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Karadion wrote:arcca jeth wrote:in the end, CCP still has not Polled or Surveyed their current and previous subscribers. If they survey people when they cancel (i don't know if they do because I haven't cancelled since a brief moment in 06) then I am sure they would (hopefully) use that feedback to at least really know why people cancelled. I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment. Well, actually, a lot of people turned off the CQ because it caused a frame rate hit and they couldn't run multiple clients easily, or because content was so limited, or because some of the short cut options they were used to were not there any more. Likely all three. Not all of them turned it off because they wanted Incarna trashed, never to be iterated on again. Perhaps not even a large percentage of them. I personally would have no issue with a poll of existing subscribers at logon along the lines of: 1: Incarna and WOD can die in a fire, trash it completely and move on. 2: Incarna and WOD should be on hold for the forseeable future, but not completely forgotten. 3: Incarna and WOD should be on hold for at least a year, and then limited resources should be allocated to it. 4: Incarna and WOD development should continue now, but with a reasonable division of resources. 5: I"m quiting because Incarna and WOD have been so severely cut back. Followed with a text box entitled: What Incarna related content and game play features would you like to see eventually, if any? I think the results would be interesting, especially if it were tied into the login screen, not the forums.
I would agree to the polling delivery method, but honestly I would leave WoD out of it. Different game and not EVE, I would personally like to see them focus all their resources on EVE and seeking funding for WoD from new investors. Use that funding to rehire WoD staff and separate the two completely. If they want to make the work they've done cross functional to implement, fine no big deal.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
425
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:46:00 -
[109] - Quote
The problem is that CQ is beta quality at best. Pushing an unstable product into a production environment (all of your subscribers) is never a good idea. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
153
|
Posted - 2011.10.24 21:47:00 -
[110] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous. Cry about it. Hooray cool goon? Can I taste your tears? |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:49:00 -
[111] - Quote
Hehe, good ol' Rho squad (Go Rhotards!!!) |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
109
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:49:00 -
[112] - Quote
bornaa wrote:Morganta wrote:2 out of 10 for Wis
a clear majority 20%.... look at likes OP got... some ppl dont want to fight with ppl that just know to say "go back to wow" so they only like... i would like WiS too but not like CCP started implement it the first time... to CCP less errors with customer relations!
likes are lies, they mean nothing as half of them are fabricated
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Flamespar
Woof Club
76
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:52:00 -
[113] - Quote
Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:54:00 -
[114] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this. No, we get it. Again the concept is still extremely limited. What gameplay functionality was there anyways? There's a thousand times more crap to do in FiS than WiS. |
How2FoldSoup
Hull Tanking Elitists
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:55:00 -
[115] - Quote
I would like more spaceships personally.. |
Michus Danether
Aristotle Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:55:00 -
[116] - Quote
I think it's been said already but it's worth reiterating:
Walking in Stations is, in of itself, not a bad thing. The idea of a sci fi universe sandbox complete with cantinas, back alleys and poker games you can bet a capital ship on are all awesome and CCP *has* done a cool job developing new avatar tech.
The main rage against WiS has I think been mostly focused on the following two concerns:
1. WiS takes away from FiS development 2. WiS means NEX
as for #1 this is a legitimate concern. Developer A can only work on one thing at a time and that thing would be either WiS or FiS. There's not much getting around this except for the fact that asset-developers (people who make ships for FiS or rooms for WiS) can only work on one thing yes, but balance adjusters (such as who would rejig FW and rebalance ships) don't have much use for developing WiS anyway so there's that.
#2 is an easy fix, just remove NEX.
There's something important to realize here CCP; people aren't buying what you're selling because what you're selling *sucks*. Nobody, NOBODY! not even the WiS fanboys asked you to release ONE EMPTY ROOM and a for-real-cash clothing store. Every-time CCP talked about WiS people thought "Cantina? Cool, can't wait to go hang out in one of those while waiting for an op to start." nobody nobody nobody nobody nobody was craving a captains quarters as the most important thing of WiS.
Just put out the 4 CQ, build a cantina and people might warm up to the idea! And it's not even that huge of a commitment anymore, you've already built all the god-damn avatar and rendering tech! Just slap some bulkheads together and call it a cantina. Hell. You guys can do it, why don't you? It's like walking off the race track when you're a meter from the finish line.
I just hope you don't have sex like you do expansions, where's the happy ending for everybody? Just commit to finish even if everybody looks embarrassed and unsatisfied after but ffs finish! |
Tristan North
The Scope
23
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:57:00 -
[117] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous. Cry about it. Hooray cool goon? Can I taste your tears? No, go back to taste Mittani's ass.
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Nak hak
25
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:58:00 -
[118] - Quote
Nah. Don't want it anymore.
"We have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision,.... not our fault." You fools.-á LOL!
Best Regards, Nak hak |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
34
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:59:00 -
[119] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Flamespar wrote:Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this. No, we get it. Again the concept is still extremely limited. What gameplay functionality was there anyways? There's a thousand times more crap to do in FiS than WiS.
So, you don't want anything to do when you get sick of flying your Internet Spaceship? I mean, I don't know about you, but I eventually want to do something other than shoot sixteen Gisii Hijackers for the millionth time in a row.
Honestly, you took one look at Incarna and ran for the airlock. The CQs were not intended to be the only part of Incarna.
It's like judging a peanut factory because they haven't filled all the packages yet. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
29
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:02:00 -
[120] - Quote
i have a post about how they could do WiS as a mini mmo inside of eve with its own income to support being on a diff sever as to not take away from the the FiS server resources
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
430
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:04:00 -
[121] - Quote
Threads like this are the reason for the need of a dislike button... morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:10:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Karadion wrote:Flamespar wrote:Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this. No, we get it. Again the concept is still extremely limited. What gameplay functionality was there anyways? There's a thousand times more crap to do in FiS than WiS. So, you don't want anything to do when you get sick of flying your Internet Spaceship? I mean, I don't know about you, but I eventually want to do something other than shoot sixteen Gisii Hijackers for the millionth time in a row. Honestly, you took one look at Incarna and ran for the airlock. The CQs were not intended to be the only part of Incarna. It's like judging a peanut factory because they haven't filled all the packages yet. It's called a life. Once I go out and kill people, do my industries, etc. I go out and enjoy life if there's nothing else for me to do. Are you some kind of hambeast where you don't ever leave your chair? |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
15
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:12:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
CCP showed every intention of trying to financially shaft the space barbie WiS supporters, and here you lot are begging CCP not to abandon it. I just love that, CCP wanted you to bend over and take it, without lube whilst rifling though your wallet and now you are all upset because most players told CCP "no thanks" and they put their plans on hold.
Anybody who still supports space barbie and WiS after we saw CCPs pricing policy is a mug. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
34
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:14:00 -
[124] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:Karadion wrote:Flamespar wrote:Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this. No, we get it. Again the concept is still extremely limited. What gameplay functionality was there anyways? There's a thousand times more crap to do in FiS than WiS. So, you don't want anything to do when you get sick of flying your Internet Spaceship? I mean, I don't know about you, but I eventually want to do something other than shoot sixteen Gisii Hijackers for the millionth time in a row. Honestly, you took one look at Incarna and ran for the airlock. The CQs were not intended to be the only part of Incarna. It's like judging a peanut factory because they haven't filled all the packages yet. It's called a life. Once I go out and kill people, do my industries, etc. I go out and enjoy life if there's nothing else for me to do. Are you some kind of hambeast where you don't ever leave your chair?
What the hell is a hambeast?
Just because you enjoy FiS as the sum total of EVE doesn't mean someone else will feel the same. I, for one, prefer things to do when I log in and don't want to run missions, or kill people, or do industrial work, or when my corp isn't online to do something. Mining, for me, tends towards tedium after a little while, and it really isn't much more than a glorified fetch quest. |
Tashanaka
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:16:00 -
[125] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Tashanaka wrote:[ Agreed, WiS is a nice concept but once you walk around the station what is there to do? Nothing. What activities are going to add to WiS? No real details yet. What is going to make WiS better than docking into the hanger view? Nothing so far. So, where are the details?
CCP needs to put WiS on the back burner and work on FiS features/balance/upgrades until they have a concept for WiS that'd make it worth getting out of the hanger. They had one, as seen in the video from 2008 which we never got, but it looked awesome.
The one where they were walking around a mall and going into a bar playing a mini-game? It's a beginning concept --and a hell of a lot more than we DID get in Incarna-- but it's still void of any real gameplay. How much time do you see yourself drinking Quafe, staring at exotic dancers, and playing a RISK type mini-game before you get bored?
As I said, I'm not against WiS but it needs compelling gameplay that has meaning in EVE.
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Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
78
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:18:00 -
[126] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:
There is no FiS Its called EVE Get it right at least
Really? Spaceships&Explosions is EvE? Thought it was a game with a lot of stuffs. Trainwreck McGee wrote:
It is true that when i pay for a product i want them to implement things that interest me. HOW SHOCKING!!
It is true that when i pay for a product i want them to implement ONLY things that interest me and **** the rest. That's shocking, yes.
you sir are an idiot then CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:18:00 -
[127] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Karadion wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:Karadion wrote:Flamespar wrote:Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this. No, we get it. Again the concept is still extremely limited. What gameplay functionality was there anyways? There's a thousand times more crap to do in FiS than WiS. So, you don't want anything to do when you get sick of flying your Internet Spaceship? I mean, I don't know about you, but I eventually want to do something other than shoot sixteen Gisii Hijackers for the millionth time in a row. Honestly, you took one look at Incarna and ran for the airlock. The CQs were not intended to be the only part of Incarna. It's like judging a peanut factory because they haven't filled all the packages yet. It's called a life. Once I go out and kill people, do my industries, etc. I go out and enjoy life if there's nothing else for me to do. Are you some kind of hambeast where you don't ever leave your chair? What the hell is a hambeast? Just because you enjoy FiS as the sum total of EVE doesn't mean someone else will feel the same. I, for one, prefer things to do when I log in and don't want to run missions, or kill people, or do industrial work, or when my corp isn't online to do something. Mining, for me, tends towards tedium after a little while, and it really isn't much more than a glorified fetch quest. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hambeast
Holy crap.. You have alot to do and you can't find the time to invest your time in other productive means like enjoying life, socializing with your friends (eve friends do not count.. I certainly don't call my Goonmates "friends"), etc. You need to expand your horizon. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
382
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:21:00 -
[128] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Just because you enjoy FiS as the sum total of EVE doesn't mean someone else will feel the same. But he's a better person than you are so your opinion doesn't count.
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Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:23:00 -
[129] - Quote
I think a lot of the naysayers are worried that EVE Online will turn into another WoW or hello kitty online due to WiS.
Sure, CQ is boring as hell but this doesn't mean that the end result of WiS can't be a worthy addition.
Personally, i like a bit of variety, and i seriously hope WiS won't be abandoned. |
Kugutsumen Dot Com
La Blue Girl KUGUTSUMEN.
33
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:23:00 -
[130] - Quote
Texas Hold 'Em would rule, I fully support diverting FiS resources to Incarna if Texas Hold 'Em gets implemented. Especially if there are extremely detailed emotes for taunting or stoicism or something like that. I don't care. I just want EVE Poker where I don't have to trust those EOH guys whose faces are all over my captain's quarter's TV because of their ridiculously high bounties.
e: Texas Hold 'Em was literally one of the best things about Puzzle Pirates. Also totally owning scrubs and destroying their stuff and making them cry. |
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:25:00 -
[131] - Quote
********** Dot Com wrote:Texas Hold 'Em would rule, I fully support diverting FiS resources to Incarna if Texas Hold 'Em gets implemented. Especially if there are extremely detailed emotes for taunting or stoicism or something like that. I don't care. I just want EVE Poker where I don't have to trust those EOH guys whose faces are all over my captain's quarter's TV because of their ridiculously high bounties.
e: Texas Hold 'Em was literally one of the best things about Puzzle Pirates. Also totally owning scrubs and destroying their stuff and making them cry. Then let's call it ****... Poker in Space Stations. |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:31:00 -
[132] - Quote
+1 to the OP
I just can't get over how some people are so afraid of change and the growth of EVE. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
392
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:32:00 -
[133] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote: groth of EVE. eww
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:34:00 -
[134] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:+1 to the OP
I just can't get over how some people are so afraid of change and the groth of EVE.
your carn't speel guud |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:37:00 -
[135] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote:Threads like this are the reason for the need of a dislike button... Carefull what you wish for. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:37:00 -
[136] - Quote
You mean; "also this is still missing the whole point by a mile, while smiling stupidly for the photographer who's taking a photo of you and your wife, who's also your mother and grandmother".[/quote]
YOU NO MAKE SENSE.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
134
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:38:00 -
[137] - Quote
Maybe the WiS crowd should cancel thier subs and teach CCP a lesson. |
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:40:00 -
[138] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote: groth of EVE.
He's called Grath - Grath Teklin.
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Jenny Spitfire
LoneStar Industries Comatose Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:42:00 -
[139] - Quote
I support more of doing something with 3D characters. It is a shame to leave things as they are now. |
Bennet Darcali
SeerHold
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:42:00 -
[140] - Quote
Just my opinion about how it will play out
WIS is going to be dust.
Dust players will be able to defend orbital facilities (such as a customs office) by manning defensive batteries etc. Eve players will be able to hire Dust corps to defend their planets. The most we can expect to see is some sort of space port where EvE players can interact with Dust players.
The changes to customs offices are the first step towards letting Dust players defend assets in space and creating a new environment for interaction. (ie. not all the ship spinning and management stuff) Dust players will be able to build houses etc in orbit (NEX). Dust players will be able to buy equipment manufactured in Eve.
At least that is how I think it will eventually play out.
Much easier to add some space interaction to Dust then to add all that WIS to Eve.
All of that should work sometime in 2014.
Who knows really. I bet you will have to buy Dust to get WIS, which just makes sense really.
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:43:00 -
[141] - Quote
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Maybe the WiS crowd should cancel thier subs and teach CCP a lesson. That's like.... 10 people? |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
181
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:44:00 -
[142] - Quote
I don't want walk in station until there's shoot in station. Eve is a game all about taking risks and the ability of your enemies to catch you at a moment's noitce...if a whole section of the game were made 100% safe, it would stop being Eve. There should not be ANY content in this game that is accessible without there being a risk of PVP (and yes, the market is PVP itself). |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
433
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:46:00 -
[143] - Quote
Jenny Spitfire wrote:I support more of doing something with 3D characters. It is a shame to leave things as they are now.
Genuine Jenny... morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:46:00 -
[144] - Quote
Nick Bete wrote:Kudos to the unidimensional thinkers for creating a false dichotomy. To have Incarna fleshed out and delivered doesn't preclude the continuing evolution of the space combat portions of the game. They can peacefully co-exist
so... what history do you have to support this?
Cause everyone else has CCP's putting SIX GODDAMNED PEOPLE on the rest of the game so they could work exclusively on Incarna to get out one Goddamned room for the last two years.
Dude, stfu you dont know what yer yapping about. Do the game a favor, unsub and move on.
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Hrald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:48:00 -
[145] - Quote
I'm okay with WiS as long as it's a secondary project. An entire update was just a room with a TV and open hatch so you can't even diddle your doodle. It added nothing to the game. All Eve related resources seemed to be going towards e-clothing lines. It was also heavy on the resources just to create the environment for a single person, let alone rendering a whole station full of people.
Until technology catches up, shelf WiS and only leave a couple people working on concepts for it or something. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:49:00 -
[146] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I don't want walk in station until there's shoot in station. Eve is a game all about taking risks and the ability of your enemies to catch you at a moment's noitce...if a whole section of the game were made 100% safe, it would stop being Eve. There should not be ANY content in this game that is accessible without there being a risk of PVP (and yes, the market is PVP itself). Shoot in Station? I rather have MiS. Murder in Station. Chribba would be the #1 prime target. And the consequences for murdering is Concord putting you to death instantly. It'd be worth it! |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:51:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:As for CCP never going back to something once they drop it, using FW an example is probably a bad choice considering that it will be a significant part of the Winter expansion. Not that they don't have a history of doing exactly that (with the exception of PI) but FW is a very bad example.
from Uniwiki:
Quote:Factional warfare was introduced by CCP with the Empyrean Age Summer Expansion 2008
They introduce it in 2008... let it sit for three years and are ONLY getting back to it now due to dramatic drops in subs and a wish to appease their pissed off customer base - yeah thats a horrible example. "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:54:00 -
[148] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
CCP never kept it a secret that they were developing the Incarna tech for both games.
Ranger, I have to point out that if they were developing Incarna for both games then should they still be developing in the absence of WoD? They shelved WoD and now they're not working on Incarna. Sounds a lot like they were developing for WoD, not Eve. We just happened to be a convenient test platform. That fact alone should make most people feel disappointed in how CCP has been operating. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:57:00 -
[149] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:
CCP should do the smart thing, survey their subscribers/non-subscribers. I wouldn't rely on trolls for my information on what the players want.
Easy question: How to do this and not get the trolls. They cant even do the CSM like that
Also, again, CCP's history shows (two years on stalled EVE development to focus on Incarna, the side game, releases one room) they CANT do the "both can live why not do that" crap, so what history and fact are you all basing your statements of "they can do both, I didnt say stop work on spaceships" on?
Mr Kidd wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
CCP never kept it a secret that they were developing the Incarna tech for both games.
Ranger, I have to point out that if they were developing Incarna for both games then should they still be developing in the absence of WoD? They shelved WoD and now they're not working on Incarna. Sounds a lot like they were developing for WoD, not Eve. We just happened to be a convenient test platform. That fact alone should make most people feel disappointed in how CCP has been operating.
Funny thing is I made that point in the post he quoted "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Jenny Spitfire
LoneStar Industries Comatose Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:00:00 -
[150] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote:Jenny Spitfire wrote:I support more of doing something with 3D characters. It is a shame to leave things as they are now. Genuine Jenny...
No, I am serious. It is a good idea that can add an extra dimension to Eve and sadly, it is taken away. It is issues like this sometimes is killing the game.
Players especially old players being too rigid or conservative and cannot accept changes whether it may be good or bad. The bottom line, however, it is played, is just bitter vet syndrome.
If Eve started with 3D characters and micro-transactions, we will not have such conversation today. |
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Rishard DuMonte
Maelstrom Crew
5
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:02:00 -
[151] - Quote
Just for shitz and grins, lets say WIS is implemented. What, exactly, do you want to do?
Do you think it will be "The Sims in Space"?
Unless there is some grand plan where I can actually bury my GSC full of dead hookers in the sands of some barren sh*thole, or steal tips from the Caldari talent I employ in "Rishard's Skin Emporium", I don't see a need to WIS.
I can't even fathom the idea of having to spend fifteen minutes shlepping around inside an Amarr crypt, with Khanid monks chanting while they shtoop Minmatar slaves, just to get a new clone or some crappy NEX swag.
At the end of the day WIS would probably turn into a card frying novelty populated by pissy teen trial subs looking for some way to get their Justine Beber on, while the long haul subbers would do what they always do with suck content - try it, and then quickly blow it off for good old fashioned explosions in space.
No offense OP, but EVE belongs to hardcore masochists who like to undock. Unsub EVE and give "Suckon Life" a try instead. |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:03:00 -
[152] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:
There is no FiS Its called EVE Get it right at least
Really? Spaceships&Explosions is EvE? Thought it was a game with a lot of stuffs.
re read what YOU wrote then try it again with the brain cells firing please...
"there is no FiS"
FiS Is a term created by CCP - a company so out of touch with their own game, they thought they could split the game in two pieces in their own minds and that would be great. FiS means (as you seem to equate it somehow to "Spaceships&Explosions" only) Flying in Space.
And again, if youre one of those people that DOESNT think this game is about flying spaceships, yeah, youre free to unsub an move on. We dont need you.
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:07:00 -
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Tristan North wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Hell yes this. Id much rather they turn away from this trend and work on the main game instead of a side game Ill never play. You WiS wanters saw the same chain of events we did, if you actually give a **** about this game and not just your feature of the month, youd shut the hell up and let CCP recover before making these demands. Id rather have EVE than let you guys **** it all up, **** over CCP and get this game destroyed listening to you. If you want Barbie, there are a hell of a lot more games out there for you, get the hell out of the ONE that isnt this. You wont be missed and you can even keep your stuff.
CCP didn't spend years with all the devs working on WiS, they weren't even working on EvE. It's obvious untill you're ********.
Engage brain before engaging fingers please... or better yet do your homework first please. If you know what youre talking about youll sound less stupid.
I know youre new but damn, TRY first
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Khira Kitamatsu
256
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:12:00 -
[154] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:
I'd rather have something useful to the gameplay like engine trails tbh.
Like ship spinning is all about game play.
I am with the OP on this. They were not the only one looking forward to WiS. Many people do not even post on these forums. SO we'll never know just how many wanted WiS - instead of ship spinning. Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:16:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:To the WiS haters, I never suggested stopping work in the FiS content.
Love all the people that think they can do both when we have two years worth of history showing that with 20% more staff they couldnt even do that.
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
78
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:17:00 -
[156] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:
Issler
You're going to get 300% more WiS content in the winter expansion than you did in Incarna.
Stop being being greedy.[/quote]
also this[/quote]
You mispasted that, I didn't post that, you should have the original poster of the reply to my post in your quote.
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:18:00 -
[157] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago. so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH actually, looking at the server graph, its less than 1/5 lol go figure. people swinging their weight around as if it has some merit
ok try this on for size: Goons are part of the DCF. DCF is about 72% of all of null. Thats more space in null than there is in high. one in six (give or take) of all the pilots on at any time lol
Thats a sizable number however you look at it
Cyra Mangeiri wrote: You're not wrong. The current CQ is not what Incarna should've been about. However, bashing the idea of WiS based on that CQ is hardly worth note, because the idea behind it is still good, it's just the realization of the idea that leaves a lot to desire. Abandoning whole WiS as it is just because some people can't see beyond the moment is not a good idea after making the first steps towards it. Delay it if it's not ready, sure, but abandon fully? Not smart.
They didnt abandon it because "some people can't see beyond the moment is not a good idea after making the first steps towards it" they abandoned it because the tech was ONLY a Beta for WoD. Since WoD is gone, theres no reason for a Beta test anymore.
Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous.
lol yeah this game is all about being anarchic and rebellious... only you have to do it in massive groups. Just like real life
funny isnt it? "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
78
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:24:00 -
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Michus Danether wrote:I think it's been said already but it's worth reiterating:
Walking in Stations is, in of itself, not a bad thing. The idea of a sci fi universe sandbox complete with cantinas, back alleys and poker games you can bet a capital ship on are all awesome and CCP *has* done a cool job developing new avatar tech.
The main rage against WiS has I think been mostly focused on the following two concerns:
1. WiS takes away from FiS development 2. WiS means NEX
as for #1 this is a legitimate concern. Developer A can only work on one thing at a time and that thing would be either WiS or FiS. There's not much getting around this except for the fact that asset-developers (people who make ships for FiS or rooms for WiS) can only work on one thing yes, but balance adjusters (such as who would rejig FW and rebalance ships) don't have much use for developing WiS anyway so there's that.
#2 is an easy fix, just remove NEX.
There's something important to realize here CCP; people aren't buying what you're selling because what you're selling *sucks*. Nobody, NOBODY! not even the WiS fanboys asked you to release ONE EMPTY ROOM and a for-real-cash clothing store. Every-time CCP talked about WiS people thought "Cantina? Cool, can't wait to go hang out in one of those while waiting for an op to start." nobody nobody nobody nobody nobody was craving a captains quarters as the most important thing of WiS.
Just put out the 4 CQ, build a cantina and people might warm up to the idea! And it's not even that huge of a commitment anymore, you've already built all the god-damn avatar and rendering tech! Just slap some bulkheads together and call it a cantina. Hell. You guys can do it, why don't you? It's like walking off the race track when you're a meter from the finish line.
I just hope you don't have sex like you do expansions, where's the happy ending for everybody? Just commit to finish even if everybody looks embarrassed and unsatisfied after but ffs finish!
^^^^^^ Exactly! My point is from now to the end of time we will bein a single person box whenever we dock to remind us CCP couldn't even been bothered to add ANYTHING past the locked door. I'm asking CCP to realize and acknowledge there is something no matter how basic it might be they could commit to deliver that makes WiS seem less abandoned in place and half done.
I think a lot of folks in Eve would want at least that before it gets totally forgotten.
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:27:00 -
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Cyra Mangeiri wrote:Weaselior wrote:CCP can't do it. they don't have the finances to fund three development projects at once, and incarna is actually WoD stuff. Before, it was EVE getting the short end of the stick, but that doesn't work because EVE pays the bills. Since DUST is actually close to release, it's WoD, and therefore Incarna, that get shelved until there's more money. You can't get both with CCP's finances Even so, the point stands. CCP themselves have admitted that it was rushed
CCP themselves also admitted they cant run all the projects they were running at once. I referr you to to the announcement where we leaned all this. "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
SilentSkills
Estrale Frontiers
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:28:00 -
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hmm lets see.....
If A is the number of players pre-incarna and B is the number of players that joined because of Incarna, and A>B
Then who will CCP listen to more if both A and B threaten to unsub again?
Basic elementary school word problem.
Clues: A 's subscription numbers are greater than B's A - wants FiS content fixed, and more FiS content added. Some of A doesn't mind WiS, but want FiS to be a priority. |
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:29:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Weaselior wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago. so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH actually, looking at the server graph, its less than 1/5 lol go figure. people swinging their weight around as if it has some merit you know who probably didn't like incarna? the 20-40k players who stopped playing seriously how do you post those numbers and not get it all players in any game have a shelf life, new content in expansions keeps players interested, so when the content sucks balls we all know what to expect. i really think the sh*** that was incarna gave peoeple the excuse they needed, i know i know,, why would anyone need an excuse,, for some reason, people in EVE do, just look back at all the emo rage i quit posts.
Funny how all those expiration dates hit around when Incarna came out huh? "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:29:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote: CCP showed every intention of trying to financially shaft the space barbie WiS supporters, and here you lot are begging CCP not to abandon it. I just love that, CCP wanted you to bend over and take it, without lube whilst rifling though your wallet and now you are all upset because most players told CCP "no thanks" and they put their plans on hold.
Anybody who still supports space barbie and WiS after we saw CCPs pricing policy is a mug.
The idea of Incarna, or WiS rather, is several years old, and has, in and of itself, nothing to do with Hilmar's sudden but inevitable betrayal. Clothing and other vanity items were simply a type of merchandise that lent themselves pretty well for a BiS environment, is all. Had there been no Incarna, Hilmar would have issued other vanity items (Ishukone Scorpion, anyone?). So, people who hate Hilmar's "Greed is Good" policy would do well to separate the issue from the existence, and desirability of Incarna.
Incarna is an awesome concept. It's a technological marvel, for one, in terms of what they pulled off with the character creator. Apart from that, it was going to put the RPG back in MMORPG (remember the part where this is supposed to be a role-playing game?!). And on that note, it's never been WiS vs. FiS -- even though its detractors make it look that way. In large, I reckon, because of the widespread belief, in the FiS camp, that EVE is, and only ever should be, about fighting in space. Which it isn't, and never was. Industrialists/traders would love to trade 'in real person' (Surrogates-style); people would love to rent 'real' corp offices, meet up with 3D agents to get missions, hold in-station corp meetings, etc.
And yes, we Incarnies love to do all the above, sans agreeing per se with having to pay $1,000 for a pair of pants bought in a NeX boutique shop. And there's even people who don't mind doing that.
tl;dr: Don't hate on Incarna because someone got greedy. It was a fantastic concept, and I'd like you to finish it, CCP.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
79
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:30:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler CCP showed every intention of trying to financially shaft the space barbie WiS supporters, and here you lot are begging CCP not to abandon it. I just love that, CCP wanted you to bend over and take it, without lube whilst rifling though your wallet and now you are all upset because most players told CCP "no thanks" and they put their plans on hold. Anybody who still supports space barbie and WiS after we saw CCPs pricing policy is a mug.
I didn't need to spend a single AUR to to walk in stations. I could have totally ignored the NEX store. The fact that you seemed to so somehow think WiS is a "dress up" game says more about what you secretly want to do than what other folks would have done. I would have been happy in my character creator clothes WiS and would never have spent a cent of RL dollars in the NEX store.
Besides the biggest complaint about the NEX store was special ships and "golden ammo" which are still coming in some form even as WiS is nuked from orbit.
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:31:00 -
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Barakkus wrote: They had one, as seen in the video from 2008 which we never got, but it looked awesome.
Quoted for humor/irony/sadness "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:33:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Karadion wrote:arcca jeth wrote:in the end, CCP still has not Polled or Surveyed their current and previous subscribers. If they survey people when they cancel (i don't know if they do because I haven't cancelled since a brief moment in 06) then I am sure they would (hopefully) use that feedback to at least really know why people cancelled. I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment. Well, actually, a lot of people turned off the CQ because it caused a frame rate hit and they couldn't run multiple clients easily, or because content was so limited, or because some of the short cut options they were used to were not there any more. Likely all three. Not all of them turned it off because they wanted Incarna trashed, never to be iterated on again. Perhaps not even a large percentage of them. I personally would have no issue with a poll of existing subscribers at logon along the lines of: 1: Incarna and WOD can die in a fire, trash it completely and move on. 2: Incarna and WOD should be on hold for the forseeable future, but not completely forgotten. 3: Incarna and WOD should be on hold for at least a year, and then limited resources should be allocated to it. 4: Incarna and WOD development should continue now, but with a reasonable division of resources. 5: I"m quiting because Incarna and WOD have been so severely cut back. Followed with a text box entitled: What Incarna related content and game play features would you like to see eventually, if any? I think the results would be interesting, especially if it were tied into the login screen, not the forums.
again, how to do this, especially in the case of some of the people in this thread with 4 accounts? Your results are gonna be skewwed
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:35:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:
I would agree to the polling delivery method, but honestly I would leave WoD out of it. Different game and not EVE, I would personally like to see them focus all their resources on EVE and seeking funding for WoD from new investors. Use that funding to rehire WoD staff and separate the two completely. If they want to make the work they've done cross functional to implement, fine no big deal.
WoD and Incarna are linked whether you like it or not so you cant leave it out of it
Flamespar wrote:Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this.
WiS Fanbois seem to be unable to realize Incarna and WiS FAILED get over it "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Mograthi
3
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:37:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:I think most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented.
You sir would be very wrong. Never wanted it, don't want it. This game is about internet spaceships and blowing crap up in space not playing second life in space. The game you are looking for is elsewhere, go to it and don't come back. |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:38:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:
So, you don't want anything to do when you get sick of flying your Internet Spaceship?
No better post to illustrate "you are in the wrong game"
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler CCP showed every intention of trying to financially shaft the space barbie WiS supporters, and here you lot are begging CCP not to abandon it. I just love that, CCP wanted you to bend over and take it, without lube whilst rifling though your wallet and now you are all upset because most players told CCP "no thanks" and they put their plans on hold. Anybody who still supports space barbie and WiS after we saw CCPs pricing policy is a mug.
Maybe they LIKE shafts And getting it "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Flamespar
Woof Club
76
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:40:00 -
[169] - Quote
I really wish CCP would just do devblog on whether or not Incarna is dead so we can all move on with out lives (or to other MMOs) I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Kengutsi Akira
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:42:00 -
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Soulpirate wrote:+1 to the OP
I just can't get over how some people are so afraid of change and the growth of EVE.
Growth of CCP is why we're worried "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:50:00 -
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damn too many posts -.-
Issler wrote:
^^^^^^ Exactly! My point is from now to the end of time we will bein a single person box whenever we dock to remind us CCP couldn't even been bothered to add ANYTHING past the locked door.
Issler
YES they should roll it back and do away with Incarna. I agree
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
97
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:52:00 -
[172] - Quote
Oh my, this is like some kindergarten with insane mushroom pubbies.
Yes, I and many others want WiS. No, we are not space barbies. No, you are not kewl because you limit yourself to a spaceship. Yes, I have expressed my opinion in a trillion other threads and it gets tiring. Yes, such threads will continue. No, you are stupid shooting each other for nuffin cos there is WoT, which I played all day, because I had a rough one. It's so insanely simple. Yes, EVE is giving you possibilities to play other playstyles. No, not even The Mittani can change the basics of his avatar again atm and somehow I have the feeling that is why so many are against WiS. Please, Mittens. Make a more beautiful less Christopher Lee-as-Dracula toon sometime so your boys can peacefully shoot miners instead of the forum.
Sometimes on these forums lately I feel like in Groundhog Day... |
Kengutsi Akira
96
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:55:00 -
[173] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:Oh my, this is like some kindergarten with insane mushroom pubbies.
Yes, I and many others want WiS. No, we are not space barbies. No, you are not kewl because you limit yourself to a spaceship. Yes, I have expressed my opinion in a trillion other threads and it gets tiring. Yes, such threads will continue. No, you are stupid shooting each other for nuffin cos there is WoT, which I played all day, because I had a rough one. Yes, EVE is giving you possibilities to play other playstyles. No, not even The Mittani can change the basics of his avatar again atm and somehow I have the feeling that is why so many are against WiS. Please, Mittens. Make a more beautiful less Christopher Lee-as-Dracula toon sometime so your boys can peacefully shoot miners instead of the forum.
Sometimes on these forums lately I feel like in Groundhog Day...
YES you are in the wrong game no you will not be missed yes you can keep your stuffs
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
97
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:59:00 -
[174] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Oh my, this is like some kindergarten with insane mushroom pubbies.
Yes, I and many others want WiS. No, we are not space barbies. No, you are not kewl because you limit yourself to a spaceship. Yes, I have expressed my opinion in a trillion other threads and it gets tiring. Yes, such threads will continue. No, you are stupid shooting each other for nuffin cos there is WoT, which I played all day, because I had a rough one. Yes, EVE is giving you possibilities to play other playstyles. No, not even The Mittani can change the basics of his avatar again atm and somehow I have the feeling that is why so many are against WiS. Please, Mittens. Make a more beautiful less Christopher Lee-as-Dracula toon sometime so your boys can peacefully shoot miners instead of the forum.
Sometimes on these forums lately I feel like in Groundhog Day... YES you are in the wrong game no you will not be missed yes you can keep your stuffs
You can just shut up. You have no position at all. Following your forum posts and signatures, you just follow what you think is most appropriate at a given moment to be honest.
Now, I'm not a space barbie, but I like more immersion. I have played this game for four years and was looking forward to WiS. I have written some more educated articles on why it cannot happen than you copy/paste troll would ever be capable of. So get a brain and then reconsider. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
82
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:01:00 -
[175] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:damn too many posts -.- Issler wrote:
^^^^^^ Exactly! My point is from now to the end of time we will bein a single person box whenever we dock to remind us CCP couldn't even been bothered to add ANYTHING past the locked door.
Issler
YES they should roll it back and do away with Incarna. I agree
I personally would support rolling back Eve (except for all the work they have done to reduce lag) to the Eve just about when Alliances were first introduced. Liked that Eve a lot more.
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
96
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:03:00 -
[176] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Oh my, this is like some kindergarten with insane mushroom pubbies.
Yes, I and many others want WiS. No, we are not space barbies. No, you are not kewl because you limit yourself to a spaceship. Yes, I have expressed my opinion in a trillion other threads and it gets tiring. Yes, such threads will continue. No, you are stupid shooting each other for nuffin cos there is WoT, which I played all day, because I had a rough one. Yes, EVE is giving you possibilities to play other playstyles. No, not even The Mittani can change the basics of his avatar again atm and somehow I have the feeling that is why so many are against WiS. Please, Mittens. Make a more beautiful less Christopher Lee-as-Dracula toon sometime so your boys can peacefully shoot miners instead of the forum.
Sometimes on these forums lately I feel like in Groundhog Day... YES you are in the wrong game no you will not be missed yes you can keep your stuffs You can just shut up. You have no position at all. Following your forum posts and signatures, you just follow what you think is most appropriate at a given moment to be honest. Now, I'm not a space barbie, but I like more immersion. I have played this game for four years and was looking forward to WiS. I have written some more educated articles on why it cannot happen than you copy/paste troll would ever be capable of. So get a brain and then reconsider.
Yes, IM the stupid one when you want them to continue producing a product that REDUCED THEIR COMPANY 20%
I at least want CCP to GROW - NOT - shrink. Who's the least intelligent here?
"Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." Guess they DONT learn |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:07:00 -
[177] - Quote
CCP,
Add my voice to the many who still want WiS. In fact, my continuance on EVE depends on it. I first joined EVE when WiS was announced those many years ago, and have been waiting patiently ever since - dabbling in and out of EVE and other games until SOMEONE does ships and characters correctly. So far, no one has.
EVE, you are our last, best hope for a ship game that's more than just pew-pew. PLEASE don't give up the good fight.
Evolve or die. Don't choose to fade through stagnation. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
82
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:07:00 -
[178] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Oh my, this is like some kindergarten with insane mushroom pubbies.
Yes, I and many others want WiS. No, we are not space barbies. No, you are not kewl because you limit yourself to a spaceship. Yes, I have expressed my opinion in a trillion other threads and it gets tiring. Yes, such threads will continue. No, you are stupid shooting each other for nuffin cos there is WoT, which I played all day, because I had a rough one. Yes, EVE is giving you possibilities to play other playstyles. No, not even The Mittani can change the basics of his avatar again atm and somehow I have the feeling that is why so many are against WiS. Please, Mittens. Make a more beautiful less Christopher Lee-as-Dracula toon sometime so your boys can peacefully shoot miners instead of the forum.
Sometimes on these forums lately I feel like in Groundhog Day... YES you are in the wrong game no you will not be missed yes you can keep your stuffs You can just shut up. You have no position at all. Following your forum posts and signatures, you just follow what you think is most appropriate at a given moment to be honest. Now, I'm not a space barbie, but I like more immersion. I have played this game for four years and was looking forward to WiS. I have written some more educated articles on why it cannot happen than you copy/paste troll would ever be capable of. So get a brain and then reconsider. Yes, IM the stupid one when you want them to continue producing a product that REDUCED THEIR COMPANY 20% I at least want CCP to GROW - NOT - shrink. Who's the least intelligent here?
If they had gotten WiS right from the start Eve would be at 200% current subscriptions. Not being able to leave the ship and be in a station is one of the biggest reasons I have heard from folks I knew that played eve and then left for other games. So if you want CCP to grow you want them to WiS in Eve!
Issler |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
97
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:07:00 -
[179] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Oh my, this is like some kindergarten with insane mushroom pubbies.
Yes, I and many others want WiS. No, we are not space barbies. No, you are not kewl because you limit yourself to a spaceship. Yes, I have expressed my opinion in a trillion other threads and it gets tiring. Yes, such threads will continue. No, you are stupid shooting each other for nuffin cos there is WoT, which I played all day, because I had a rough one. Yes, EVE is giving you possibilities to play other playstyles. No, not even The Mittani can change the basics of his avatar again atm and somehow I have the feeling that is why so many are against WiS. Please, Mittens. Make a more beautiful less Christopher Lee-as-Dracula toon sometime so your boys can peacefully shoot miners instead of the forum.
Sometimes on these forums lately I feel like in Groundhog Day... YES you are in the wrong game no you will not be missed yes you can keep your stuffs You can just shut up. You have no position at all. Following your forum posts and signatures, you just follow what you think is most appropriate at a given moment to be honest. Now, I'm not a space barbie, but I like more immersion. I have played this game for four years and was looking forward to WiS. I have written some more educated articles on why it cannot happen than you copy/paste troll would ever be capable of. So get a brain and then reconsider. Yes, IM the stupid one when you want them to continue producing a product that REDUCED THEIR COMPANY 20% I at least want CCP to GROW - NOT - shrink. Who's the least intelligent here?
Re-read my earlier posts on the topic in the various threads, lately in the one by Eliza Darkstar, and you will realize that I know the facts.
And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons. You are just salivating for some popularity worse than the Goons. Drool somewhere else, k? Amongst all the anti-WiS guys you surface as the cheapest because you have no clue. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:10:00 -
[180] - Quote
Ambulation |
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Kengutsi Akira
96
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:11:00 -
[181] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Oh my, this is like some kindergarten with insane mushroom pubbies.
Yes, I and many others want WiS. No, we are not space barbies. No, you are not kewl because you limit yourself to a spaceship. Yes, I have expressed my opinion in a trillion other threads and it gets tiring. Yes, such threads will continue. No, you are stupid shooting each other for nuffin cos there is WoT, which I played all day, because I had a rough one. Yes, EVE is giving you possibilities to play other playstyles. No, not even The Mittani can change the basics of his avatar again atm and somehow I have the feeling that is why so many are against WiS. Please, Mittens. Make a more beautiful less Christopher Lee-as-Dracula toon sometime so your boys can peacefully shoot miners instead of the forum.
Sometimes on these forums lately I feel like in Groundhog Day... YES you are in the wrong game no you will not be missed yes you can keep your stuffs You can just shut up. You have no position at all. Following your forum posts and signatures, you just follow what you think is most appropriate at a given moment to be honest. Now, I'm not a space barbie, but I like more immersion. I have played this game for four years and was looking forward to WiS. I have written some more educated articles on why it cannot happen than you copy/paste troll would ever be capable of. So get a brain and then reconsider. Yes, IM the stupid one when you want them to continue producing a product that REDUCED THEIR COMPANY 20% I at least want CCP to GROW - NOT - shrink. Who's the least intelligent here? Re-read my earlier posts on the topic in the various threads, lately in the one by Eliza Darkstar, and you will realize that I know the facts. And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons. You are just salivating for some popularity worse than the Goons. Drool somewhere else, k? Amongst all the anti-WiS guys you surface as the cheapest because you have no clue.
lol I wish all you minority WiS ppl would STFU. Cut the threads around here by half. And all from a handful of alts pretending to be the majority of the game.
LOL man Im worse than the Goons? Wow, I GOTTA take that as a friggin compliment.
And yes, I have a stance. They need to NOT continue to work on WiS. Just cause I disagree with you doesnt make me a troll.
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
101
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:20:00 -
[182] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote: lol I wish all you minority WiS ppl would STFU. Cut the threads around here by half. And all from a handful of alts pretending to be the majority of the game.
LOL man Im worse than the Goons? Wow, I GOTTA take that as a friggin compliment.
And yes, I have a stance. They need to NOT continue to work on WiS. Just cause I disagree with you doesnt make me a troll.
It does make you an uneducated fool, because you do not see or acknowledge the true reasons and I do not have any alts atm because I quit two accounts when they released NeX as it is, which is totally against EVE sandbox spirit but has nothing to do with the original Incarna idea, which is a great one.
Now go and spin your ship. And - yes - you are a troll, because in each and every thread on the topic you just do one thing: Crave for popularity. Howl with the wolves. People in favour of WiS are not a minority.
I want more FiS features and fixes, too. I might not agree to what gets fixed. If you read my posts I am not one of the "High Sec should be save" mimimis either.
Sometimes though I think you do not read. You are a forum bot with some limited vocabulary and a pre-programmed purpose. Now, go and look for an opinion of your own. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
76
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:20:00 -
[183] - Quote
Here is my simple fix.
CCP clarifies whether or not Incarna is dead.
There is far too much wild speculation that really isn't helping. Some players want walking in stations, others don't. Some players want more PVE, others don't. It doesn't have to be a case of either / or. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:21:00 -
[184] - Quote
WiS was shown the door. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
101
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:23:00 -
[185] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Here is my simple fix.
CCP clarifies whether or not Incarna is dead.
There is far too much wild speculation that really isn't helping. Some players want walking in stations, others don't. Some players want more PVE, others don't. It doesn't have to be a case of either / or.
Yes. I agree with this one.
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Qansh
Triskelion Ouroboros
16
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:24:00 -
[186] - Quote
Eve is about spaceships. It's not even about pretty spaceships. It's about ugly spaceships on a crappy laptop -- forever! Hilmar needs a Vision-dectomy.
And get rid of those damn NPC faces and personal stories in the Chronicles -- that's not spaceships!
Spaceships are what it's all about and anything and everything that a person does in game is -- is -- cuz he's a spaceship!
God. Get it straight.
Oh, and the game forces you to be an ass. That's the game.
Stupid other people!
My sandbox. My sand. My limits. My game.
Losers.
Ha! See you at endgame (if you can even get that far).
---
Qansh sets the whiskey bottle down and contemplates what he just wrote out in a white heat of--of sympathy or something. Nah, he says to himself -- pretty sure that he doesn't want to be that guy. |
Kengutsi Akira
96
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:27:00 -
[187] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Sometimes though I think you do not read. You are a forum bot with some limited vocabulary and a pre-programmed purpose. Now, go and look for an opinion of your own.
Irony coming from someone that doesnt have their own opinion.... Youre spouting the "party line" telling me to get my own opinion. Too bad you cant follow your own advice, but thats not a surprise is it?
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:28:00 -
[188] - Quote
Qansh wrote:Eve is about spaceships. It's not even about pretty spaceships. It's about ugly spaceships on a crappy laptop -- forever! Hilmar needs a Vision-dectomy.
And get rid of those damn NPC faces and personal stories in the Chronicles -- that's not spaceships!
Spaceships are what it's all about and anything and everything that a person does in game is -- is -- cuz he's a spaceship!
God. Get it straight.
Oh, and the game forces you to be an ass. That's the game.
Stupid other people!
My sandbox. My sand. My limits. My game.
Losers.
Ha! See you at endgame (if you can even get that far).
---
Qansh sets the whiskey bottle down and contemplates what he just wrote out in a white heat of--of sympathy or something. Nah, he says to himself -- pretty sure that he doesn't want to be that guy.
You do realize that a sandbox by definition has no end game? STO --> That way. Greet the Borg Queen! |
Amro One
One.
7
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:28:00 -
[189] - Quote
BARBIE BARBIE BARBIE BARBIE |
Papazoglou
Piranha Protectorate P I R A T E S
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:29:00 -
[190] - Quote
Walking in stations is cool no matter what your guys say =) It seems that people on the forums all seem to have common views and unfortunately you all seem to hate Walking in Stations, Im not entirely sure why... Yes, it does take a couple seconds to load and yes, it doesn't bring a whole lot to the game right now. But god damn it looks gorgeous and CCP really doesn't get the credit that they should for the work they have done. In my opinion EVE is as much about the social aspect of the game as it is flying spaceships and pewpewing. This shouldn't just be dropped because some loud mouth forum warriors threaten to end their subscription because of the work being done, Im sure this an awkward position to be in for CCP when their views of the future EVE are not received well by the community to put it lightly. |
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:29:00 -
[191] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:
Sometimes though I think you do not read. You are a forum bot with some limited vocabulary and a pre-programmed purpose. Now, go and look for an opinion of your own.
Irony coming from someone that doesnt have their own opinion.... Youre spouting the "party line" telling me to get my own opinion. Too bad you cant follow your own advice, but thats not a surprise is it?
Well I'm happy I inspired you to a new signature. It might be a start. As to not having my own opinion, I think I'm doing quite alright, but thank you. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
13
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:30:00 -
[192] - Quote
Ughhh not this again, had to post seeing it on 10 pages already. Why?
OMGGGGGG!!!!
Such a sad day ... |
Kengutsi Akira
97
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:31:00 -
[193] - Quote
But seriously, you want WiS to get worked on, get them to start work on WoD. You see, theyre linked. One is the Beta program for the other, so without one, you dont have the other. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
11
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:31:00 -
[194] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Here is my simple fix.
CCP clarifies whether or not Incarna is dead.
There is far too much wild speculation that really isn't helping. Some players want walking in stations, others don't. Some players want more PVE, others don't. It doesn't have to be a case of either / or.
They'd just say something lame, like not having any immediate plans to abandon it, or some other dipsh*t. Getting a straight answer from CCP is like walking a circle in hope of getting to a straight line.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Shi'ki
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:32:00 -
[195] - Quote
Like for you OP
More WIS please. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:32:00 -
[196] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:But seriously, you want WiS to get worked on, get them to start work on WoD. You see, theyre linked. One is the Beta program for the other, so without one, you dont have the other.
Once again, read my previous posts on the topic. Unlike you I do not want to repeat myself forever, ok? |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
69
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:32:00 -
[197] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:lol I wish all you minority WiS ppl would STFU. Cut the threads around here by half. And all from a handful of alts pretending to be the majority of the game.
LOL man Im worse than the Goons? Wow, I GOTTA take that as a friggin compliment.
And yes, I have a stance. They need to NOT continue to work on WiS. Just cause I disagree with you doesnt make me a troll.
I won't bother addressing who is in the minority. That is impossible to tell just from threads on a forum and in the end it doesn't matter to this discussion.
Many of use agree that there is more than one play style to EVE. You want everyone that doesn't agree to the "one true path" to shut up? The whole point of EVE is that it is an open sandbox and we want to see the options grow, both in space and outside of our ships. We want a bigger sandbox. You want the one you have already.
I also have a stance. They need to work on Incarna in order to grow the player base and increase profits. More profits means a healthier CCP and more developers for your part of the sandbox. I also happen to think they need a much better plan for it. They aimed for excellence in graphics and aimed so high that we didn't get a useable end product.
Rees Noturana // Professional Treasure Hunter |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:33:00 -
[198] - Quote
Amro One wrote:BARBIE BARBIE BARBIE BARBIE
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I'm a Barbie girl in the Barbie world Life in plastic, it's fantastic You can brush my hair, undress me everywhere Imagination, life is your creation
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"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Thomas Abernathy
Viziam Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:33:00 -
[199] - Quote
I guess the question now is....if that 20% unsubbed.... well lets say 10% due to a heavily addicted gaming population...What would CCP's kneejerk reaction be this time? |
Thomas Abernathy
Viziam Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:33:00 -
[200] - Quote
noob forums...... |
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Qansh
Triskelion Ouroboros
18
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:35:00 -
[201] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote: You do realize that a sandbox by definition has no end game? STO --> That way. Greet the Borg Queen! Um, it's kind of a subtle point. No endgame means less reason to dictate other people's play-style. One's idea of ++ber may have as much value as somebody else's idea of ++ber. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:35:00 -
[202] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:But seriously, you want WiS to get worked on, get them to start work on WoD. You see, theyre linked. One is the Beta program for the other, so without one, you dont have the other. Once again, read my previous posts on the topic. Unlike you I do not want to repeat myself forever, ok?
If you say "once again I dont repeat myself" Isnt that self defeating? Also, He puts together a good point about Incarna being linked to WoD, ignoring that isnt going to make it untrue
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Kengutsi Akira
97
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:36:00 -
[203] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote: Many of use agree that there is more than one play style to EVE. You want everyone that doesn't agree to the "one true path" to shut up?
Given that I was replying to him telling ME to STFU for the same thing, if thats what you got out of it then yes.
Because thats as right Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Byteflux
Southern Cross Incorporated Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:38:00 -
[204] - Quote
HTFU |
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:38:00 -
[205] - Quote
To get this pretty straigth, they didn't abbandon WIS they just taked it on the backbone to get the loudest whiners and complainers silent for a while and give them their so loved spacehip boost, if this is done they're getting back to make Incarna / WiS working better and fixed the biggest bugs they included in the first iteration.
And to all those which say Eve is and only was a Spaceship concentrated game .......YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!!
CCP did say from begin on they wanted a completed SciFi Simulation MMO including everything Scifi related so as Ships, Stations, planets AND the freaking Avatar interaction.....IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE me read back ages to several CCP Developer posts They clearly stated EVE is supposed a complete SCIFI SIMULATION MMO not only concentrated on Spaceships alone PERIOD!!
Oh....and if you want to play a SPACESHIP game only go ahead and play the rippofs from Eve aka Black Phropecy and some others Jesus Christ!!! |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:40:00 -
[206] - Quote
EVE Stig wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:But seriously, you want WiS to get worked on, get them to start work on WoD. You see, theyre linked. One is the Beta program for the other, so without one, you dont have the other. Once again, read my previous posts on the topic. Unlike you I do not want to repeat myself forever, ok? If you say "once again I dont repeat myself" Isnt that self defeating? Also, He puts together a good point about Incarna being linked to WoD, ignoring that isnt going to make it untrue
I said "I do not want to repeat myself. If YOU know how the search feature works, you would see that I agree with him in a way. But not on the "Incarna is the Devil" part of his opinion and not with the "we wreck spaceships all day, because EVE was made that complicated to just do that". If you just want to do that, there are other and better games to do it.
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Kengutsi Akira
97
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:41:00 -
[207] - Quote
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:To get this pretty straigth, they didn't abbandon WIS they just taked it on the backbone to get the loudest whiners and complainers silent for a while and give them their so loved spacehip boost, if this is done they're getting back to make Incarna / WiS working better and fixed the biggest bugs they included in the first iteration.
And to all those which say Eve is and only was a Spaceship concentrated game .......YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!!
CCP did say from begin on they wanted a completed SciFi Simulation MMO including everything Scifi related so as Ships, Stations, planets AND the freaking Avatar interaction.....IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE me read back ages to several CCP Developer posts They clearly stated EVE is supposed a complete SCIFI SIMULATION MMO not only concentrated on Spaceships alone PERIOD!!
0/10 try harder
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
69
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:43:00 -
[208] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Rees Noturana wrote: Many of use agree that there is more than one play style to EVE. You want everyone that doesn't agree to the "one true path" to shut up?
Given that I was replying to him telling ME to STFU for the same thing, if thats what you got out of it then yes. Because thats as right
Point taken.
Rees Noturana // Professional Treasure Hunter |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:43:00 -
[209] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:To get this pretty straigth, they didn't abbandon WIS they just taked it on the backbone to get the loudest whiners and complainers silent for a while and give them their so loved spacehip boost, if this is done they're getting back to make Incarna / WiS working better and fixed the biggest bugs they included in the first iteration.
And to all those which say Eve is and only was a Spaceship concentrated game .......YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!!
CCP did say from begin on they wanted a completed SciFi Simulation MMO including everything Scifi related so as Ships, Stations, planets AND the freaking Avatar interaction.....IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE me read back ages to several CCP Developer posts They clearly stated EVE is supposed a complete SCIFI SIMULATION MMO not only concentrated on Spaceships alone PERIOD!! 0/10 try harder
Oh, another troll post.... surprising. |
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:43:00 -
[210] - Quote
0/10 try harder [/quote]
NO you get your freaking head straigth and make some researchs before blowing some hot air on the forums you N00b |
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Kengutsi Akira
97
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:43:00 -
[211] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote: "we wreck spaceships all day, because EVE was made that complicated to just do that". If you just want to do that, there are other and better games to do it.
Yeah, if you want that, go play Star Trek Online. Its a horrible MMO, but it has starship blowing up AND walking around. And I wont have to worry about you corrupting a game I like Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:49:00 -
[212] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote: "we wreck spaceships all day, because EVE was made that complicated to just do that". If you just want to do that, there are other and better games to do it.
Yeah, if you want that, go play Star Trek Online. Its a horrible MMO, but it has starship blowing up AND walking around. And I wont have to worry about you corrupting a game I like Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
0/10 try harder
NO you get your freaking head straigth and make some researchs before blowing some hot air on the forums you N00b
lol again, 0/10. try harder
Youre getting too worked up over this forum game. Take some time off, go play EVE. Fly some SPACESHIPS.[/quote]
Forums aren't a game, they're a platform for Customers to express their opinions, suggestions, ideas, expressions and diskussions about the related ingame topics refering to the matter.....THAT's WHAT FORUMS are for not just for playing a game for trolls and complete imcompetence peoples like you making a research about the stuff getting talked about in the thread ...no peoples like yours are just interrupting discussions and much more with the crap they're throwing around!! |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
403
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:51:00 -
[213] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:People in favour of WiS are not a minority. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. People in favor of WiS at the expense of the actual game of Eve most certainly are.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:52:00 -
[214] - Quote
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote: Oh....and if you want to play a SPACESHIP game only go ahead and play the rippofs from Eve aka Black Phropecy and some others Jesus Christ!!!
Dunno what fictional characters from the real life past have to do with this argument anyways. I want to play internet spaceships I WANT TO PLAY EVE THATS WHY IM PLAYING EVE
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Forums aren't a game, they're a platform for Customers to express their opinions, suggestions, ideas, expressions and diskussions about the related ingame topics refering to the matter.
I pay my $15 I have opinions (they may differ from yours but thats how forums work), Ive had ideas, Ive had suggestions, so I come HERE to express them. Forums ARENT only for people that agree with you bud Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:52:00 -
[215] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote: "we wreck spaceships all day, because EVE was made that complicated to just do that". If you just want to do that, there are other and better games to do it.
Yeah, if you want that, go play Star Trek Online. Its a horrible MMO, but it has starship blowing up AND walking around. And I wont have to worry about you corrupting a game I like
I have been playing this game for a long time. I even played STO btw and won some prizes for player created content, but you are right, it is horrible.
Now, what you want is EVE to be stagnant. I'm sorry if I cannot agree with that. Actually, no, I'm not sorry. I'm sorry for you that you do want it to be a stagnant rotten potatoe.
Why do you think all those people that - supposedly - left really went? Could it be because the game got boring for them? Could it be because they have been playing it for even longer than the four years I did and the probably gazillion years you perhaps did?
Now, I do not often agree with Mkint, but (s)he has a point in that all the fixes, all the new features will not hold old players for long. So what CCP needs is fresh blood.
All the new players I got into the game lately want avatars to be able to meet and still are out there in space all the time. More time than I actually can afford.
As I said before: Some of you have found the perfect solution for yourselves: In a world where standing still means moving backwards - you just spin... But spinning does mean not moving forward. |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:56:00 -
[216] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Yeah, if you want that, go play Star Trek Online. Its a horrible MMO, but it has starship blowing up AND walking around. And I wont have to worry about you corrupting a game I like
Tried it. Star Trek Online was pretty bad.
That's why I've come back here, hoping CCP can evolve EVE beyond just spaceships. If EVE doesn't evole, it will stagnate. |
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:56:00 -
[217] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:People in favour of WiS are not a minority. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. People in favor of WiS at the expense of the actual game of Eve most certainly are.
Peoples like some of yours from the Goons are the roots cause of players getting annoyed and deprimated from the game and leave cause as everyone knows GOONS are here to DESTRY the GAME not to destroy a gamers gameplay....they everytime had this in their motto and still are so better keep silent and go back to your freaking black cave you and all other Goons which following still this motto are coming from......and my appologies to those members in Goonswarm Federation i know myselfs which are freindly peoples but not the hardcore center from this ally which clearly is not!! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:58:00 -
[218] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote: Now, what you want is EVE to be stagnant. I'm sorry if I cannot agree with that. Actually, no, I'm not sorry. I'm sorry for you that you do want it to be a stagnant rotten potatoe.
please, quote the words where I said that instead of creating them.
Quote: Why do you think all those people that - supposedly - left really went? Could it be because the game got boring for them? Could it be because they have been playing it for even longer than the four years I did and the probably gazillion years you perhaps did?
Yeah it COULDNT have POSSIBLY been that Incarna was **** or that CCP was more interested in space barbies and Nex than EVE - er FiS
Quote: Now, I do not often agree with Mkint, but (s)he has a point in that all the fixes, all the new features will not hold old players for long. So what CCP needs is fresh blood.
Eventually, yes, what we need first is a lot of fixes to the broken crap in the game and the crap they decided to abandon along the way.
Quote: As I said before: Some of you have found the perfect solution for yourselves: In a world where standing still means moving backwards - you just spin... But spinning does mean not moving forward.
Your idea of moving forward means killing CCP. Given that choice, yes Id rather not move forward. If you kill CCP you kill EVE too. You kill EVE you get no WiS either. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:59:00 -
[219] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote: "we wreck spaceships all day, because EVE was made that complicated to just do that". If you just want to do that, there are other and better games to do it.
Yeah, if you want that, go play Star Trek Online. Its a horrible MMO, but it has starship blowing up AND walking around. And I wont have to worry about you corrupting a game I like I have been playing this game for a long time. I even played STO btw and won some prizes for player created content, but you are right, it is horrible. Now, what you want is EVE to be stagnant. I'm sorry if I cannot agree with that. Actually, no, I'm not sorry. I'm sorry for you that you do want it to be a stagnant rotten potatoe. Why do you think all those people that - supposedly - left really went? Could it be because the game got boring for them? Could it be because they have been playing it for even longer than the four years I did and the probably gazillion years you perhaps did? Now, I do not often agree with Mkint, but (s)he has a point in that all the fixes, all the new features will not hold old players for long. So what CCP needs is fresh blood. All the new players I got into the game lately want avatars to be able to meet and still are out there in space all the time. More time than I actually can afford. As I said before: Some of you have found the perfect solution for yourselves: In a world where standing still means moving backwards - you just spin... But spinning does mean not moving forward.
Perfectly fitting my point and there is nothing more to add great expression what is really the relevant points to this complete thing in regads to WiS and Eve all over all!!! |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:59:00 -
[220] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:People in favour of WiS are not a minority. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. People in favor of WiS at the expense of the actual game of Eve most certainly are.
Crap, I get to agree with a Goon on this.
Don't ruin the game we have. Keep the core healthy. Expand it when you have the resources and a plan. Rees Noturana // Professional Treasure Hunter |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:00:00 -
[221] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:People in favour of WiS are not a minority. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. People in favor of WiS at the expense of the actual game of Eve most certainly are. Crap, I get to agree with a Goon on this. Don't ruin the game we have. Keep the core healthy. Expand it when you have the resources and a plan.
EXACTLY Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
403
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:01:00 -
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Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:Peoples like some of yours from the Goons are the roots cause of players getting annoyed and deprimated from the game and leave cause as everyone knows GOONS are here to DESTRY the GAME not to destroy a gamers gameplay....they everytime had this in their motto and still are so better keep silent and go back to your freaking black cave you and all other Goons which following still this motto are coming from......and my appologies to those members in Goonswarm Federation i know myselfs which are freindly peoples but not the hardcore center from this ally which clearly is not!! I love this post so, so much. Never stop deprimating
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Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
11
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:08:00 -
[223] - Quote
I am still Pro WIS
Since 2007
I would like to see at least 1 team keep working on it.
As it is now to be seen as optional. I would not mind it being a little buggy if we Know "I was meant to be buggy"
I would like establishments in play as this would allow not only Role Play but the opportunity to have bots that I can use to make Player adventure... Allowing me to add Player content solo style.
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
108
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:10:00 -
[224] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote: Now, what you want is EVE to be stagnant. I'm sorry if I cannot agree with that. Actually, no, I'm not sorry. I'm sorry for you that you do want it to be a stagnant rotten potatoe.
1. please, quote the words where I said that instead of creating them. Quote: Why do you think all those people that - supposedly - left really went? Could it be because the game got boring for them? Could it be because they have been playing it for even longer than the four years I did and the probably gazillion years you perhaps did?
2. Yeah it COULDNT have POSSIBLY been that Incarna was **** or that CCP was more interested in space barbies and Nex than EVE - er FiS Quote: Now, I do not often agree with Mkint, but (s)he has a point in that all the fixes, all the new features will not hold old players for long. So what CCP needs is fresh blood.
3. Eventually, yes, what we need first is a lot of fixes to the broken crap in the game and the crap they decided to abandon along the way. Quote: As I said before: Some of you have found the perfect solution for yourselves: In a world where standing still means moving backwards - you just spin... But spinning does mean not moving forward.
4. Your idea of moving forward means killing CCP. Given that choice, yes Id rather not move forward. If you kill CCP you kill EVE too. You kill EVE you get no WiS either.
1. You imply just that. 2. No, it could not, because I will not leave EVE now either, will I? I like the space simulation as it is. I like the rough approach. So, honestly, I think they were looking for something else. Somewhere else. As said, I played WoT most of the day because I felt like fast, every minute PVP for a change. EVE doesn't give you that and people wanting that are in the wrong game, too. As said it is vastly more intelligent as a game. The other reason could be: You play a game for ages, you naturally get tired of it. You ignore all other paths said game has to offer you clinging to a concept like "end content" which is more WOW/STO fitting. Finally you leave. It will not be easy, as you leave friends behind, but you leave... And you find an excuse in Incarna. Which you can ignore at your own leisure. 3. For the same reasons it is not eventually. Name one of the planned things for winter expansion that will make prospective new players go "Hurray" or old players hold longer than a month. 4. Re-read my post in Eliza's thread and you will see we agree somewhat... But still the whole "We heard you, we go FiS now" is a lie!
And now I go to bed. Makes it easier for you to disagree with me. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:10:00 -
[225] - Quote
I'd like to see WiS as well, but not at the expense of the core gameplay which has happened for far too long.
And if CCP are going to do it, then at least make it with features that actually add something to the sandbox game of EVE. Sorry to break it to you CCP, but buying crap like the monocle, etc from the cash shop doesn't equate to added gameplay features.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
22
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:14:00 -
[226] - Quote
We'll have walking in stations soon and on a machine designed for it.. the PS3 (yeah I dont' have one.. have the xbox so thats a wrinkile)
All the content will be there... let it happen in good time.. when feasible, find a way to let some percentage of the dust play be done on the pc....
the PC and the Console are merging in the future anyway.. or whatever the predecessor will be called |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
22
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:19:00 -
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Bennet Darcali wrote:Just my opinion about how it will play out
WIS is going to be dust.
Dust players will be able to defend orbital facilities (such as a customs office) by manning defensive batteries etc. Eve players will be able to hire Dust corps to defend their planets. The most we can expect to see is some sort of space port where EvE players can interact with Dust players.
The changes to customs offices are the first step towards letting Dust players defend assets in space and creating a new environment for interaction. (ie. not all the ship spinning and management stuff) Dust players will be able to build houses etc in orbit (NEX). Dust players will be able to buy equipment manufactured in Eve.
At least that is how I think it will eventually play out.
Much easier to add some space interaction to Dust then to add all that WIS to Eve.
All of that should work sometime in 2014.
Who knows really. I bet you will have to buy Dust to get WIS, which just makes sense really.
oh i guesss someone already said it...
makes sense to me....
and even if pushed to it, buying a 300 console is one heck of a lot cheaper than constantly upgrading a pc to run at the bleeding edge which is what a room full of avatars moving fast with guns ususing the resolution settings in the CQ would require.. if even the best system s could run that. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
13
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:20:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:Amro One wrote:BARBIE BARBIE BARBIE BARBIE - Hi Barbie! - Hi Ken! - You wanna go for a ride? - Sure, Ken! - Jump in! - Ha ha ha ha! I'm a Barbie girl in the Barbie world Life in plastic, it's fantastic You can brush my hair, undress me everywhere Imagination, life is your creation Come on, Barbie, let's go party More from artist : Aqua More from album : Aquarium
You forgot to add this ... Might help some forum users, who knows? |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:21:00 -
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Aidan Brooder wrote: 1. You imply just that.
where, precisely, did I say that I wanted EVE to stagnate and die? Dont IMPLY it, QUOTE it
Quote: Why do you think all those people that - supposedly - left really went? Could it be because the game got boring for them? Could it be because they have been playing it for even longer than the four years I did and the probably gazillion years you perhaps did?
Aidan Brooder wrote: 2. No, it could not, because I will not leave EVE now either, will I? I like the space simulation as it is. I like the rough approach. So, honestly, I think they were looking for something else. Somewhere else. As said, I played WoT most of the day because I felt like fast, every minute PVP for a change. EVE doesn't give you that and people wanting that are in the wrong game, too. As said it is vastly more intelligent as a game. The other reason could be: You play a game for ages, you naturally get tired of it. You ignore all other paths said game has to offer you clinging to a concept like "end content" which is more WOW/STO fitting. Finally you leave. It will not be easy, as you leave friends behind, but you leave... And you find an excuse in Incarna. Which you can ignore at your own leisure.
You ask why other players unsubbed than fill the reply with stuff about you. We werent talking about you, we were talking about others. Get over yourself please
Quote: 4. Re-read my post in Eliza's thread and you will see we agree somewhat... But still the whole "We heard you, we go FiS now" is a lie!
Um the Incarna being shelved thing wants a word with you on that... Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
108
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:28:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote: 1. You imply just that.
where, precisely, did I say that I wanted EVE to stagnate and die? Dont IMPLY it, QUOTE it
I already gave you a new signature. Despite the red hair I'm not Santa, you know.
No new feature to attract new players = death in the long run. One thing that turns players away = only being a space ship.
I hear it every day, even though my people stay because I showed them the beauty that is space. Still: That is stagnation.
The reasons why they cannot implement it in my opinion is in Elizas thread. You would not even disagree.
Lastly: The winter expansion will not bring anything relevant to new players or casual players. So, not a magnet either.
CCP is playing "Holding the fortress" while not realizing that many leave because they are bored. Hell, I would be bored, if I wouldn't have my corp and a creative mind, really. |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:34:00 -
[231] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote: 1. You imply just that.
where, precisely, did I say that I wanted EVE to stagnate and die? Dont IMPLY it, QUOTE it I already gave you a new signature. Despite the red hair I'm not Santa, you know.
You cant is the point. So... given I never actually said what youre saying I said, can we agree youre trying to put words in my mouth here?
So... youre IMPLYING you have no reason to stay in the game. Do us all a favor. Unsub an be on your way. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
14
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:44:00 -
[232] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:
No new feature to attract new players = death in the long run. One thing that turns players away = only being a space ship.
People are also turned off by it not being world of warcraft. Games that try to please everyone tend to fail horribly, and since eve is, and always has been, a space game, it stands to reason that the main focus should be on the space aspect.
I mean really, if someone were to say to you "Well, I don't really like the whole spaceship thing" do you really think that they'd get into, and stay in, eve were it to also have a little walking minigame?
Aidan Brooder wrote: I hear it every day, even though my people stay because I showed them the beauty that is space. Still: That is stagnation.
Given how many people left after WiS was introduced, you really can't argue that it was a good idea on the CCP's part. Hell, look at how many people were pissed off that ship spinning was taken out. Most people who play eve do it for spaceships, and while WiS could have been a nice introduction, if it detracts from the spaceships aspect of the game (which it DID, because it ate up an absurd number of man-hours that could have gone to developing space stuff) it's going to be met mostly with hostility.
Aidan Brooder wrote: Lastly: The winter expansion will not bring anything relevant to new players or casual players. So, not a magnet either.
CCP is playing "Holding the fortress" while not realizing that many leave because they are bored. Hell, I would be bored, if I wouldn't have my corp and a creative mind, really.
Rebalancing a weapon system that's used by a third of the ships (and half the races) in the game, as well as 4 new ships(which is pretty rare in and of itself), massive changes to the largest ships in the game, allowing smaller, newb-friendlier ships to compete again. I think that counts as something for the casuals at least. As for new people, if WiS was really going to be the thing to draw them in, odds are they'd not have stayed very long. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2011.10.25 02:04:00 -
[233] - Quote
Careful Cambrus, youre straying into "unopinioned trolling" as far as the people Ive been agruing with are concerned :p Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2011.10.25 02:09:00 -
[234] - Quote
Well some of those many people who left after the INCARNA , left because their notebook become obsolete and cannot run EVE client any longer.
The fact it didnt drop right away could be caused by them having PLEXed up/payed accounts.
Anyway Ambulation.
Nay sayers are really not against the whole WiS and if they are they got no reason whatsoever once some of the "more important" issues are solved since it doesnt have slightest impact on their "own perception" of the universe unless they chose it. Then they basically complain about their poor choice not really an CCP fault. |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 02:19:00 -
[235] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Sadly, this is exactly why a lot of game developers don't promise to implement whatever the players demand.
For the record, Incarna/WiS was lusted after for years, it was very popular and used to be know as Ambulation back when everyone wanted it.
Even more hilarious is that hundreds of players unsubbed over that time because CCP hadn't delivered Ambulation yet, and they were all waiting.
Than, CCP finally gets to it, calls it Incarna, and every cries foul and wants their spaceships back.
CCP promises to give spaceships more attention, and people start unsubbing again because they've stopped work on Incarna.
Its almost comical, but the lesson to be learned is that player demand/feedback is only worth so much. Apparently, the player base has no patience when it comes to having a company develop custom technologies to suit their every whim.
No matter what CCP does, they are "screwing over" someone. No matter what they announce, people will unsub over it.
+1 Please CCP, don't listen to the "vocal minorities". Show us your ambitions and make your future image come true! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2011.10.25 02:21:00 -
[236] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Well some of those many people who left after the INCARNA , left because their notebook become obsolete and cannot run EVE client any longer.
The fact it didnt drop right away could be caused by them having PLEXed up/payed accounts.
Anyway Ambulation.
Nay sayers are really not against the whole WiS and if they are they got no reason whatsoever once some of the "more important" issues are solved since it doesnt have slightest impact on their "own perception" of the universe unless they chose it. Then they basically complain about their poor choice not really an CCP fault.
Oh yeah, once CCP fix "FiS" (aka the main game of EVE) Ill be all for letting the others have their mini games, as long as it doesnt impact on my EVE playing
Tommy Laughingface wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Sadly, this is exactly why a lot of game developers don't promise to implement whatever the players demand.
For the record, Incarna/WiS was lusted after for years, it was very popular and used to be know as Ambulation back when everyone wanted it.
Even more hilarious is that hundreds of players unsubbed over that time because CCP hadn't delivered Ambulation yet, and they were all waiting.
Than, CCP finally gets to it, calls it Incarna, and every cries foul and wants their spaceships back.
CCP promises to give spaceships more attention, and people start unsubbing again because they've stopped work on Incarna.
Its almost comical, but the lesson to be learned is that player demand/feedback is only worth so much. Apparently, the player base has no patience when it comes to having a company develop custom technologies to suit their every whim.
No matter what CCP does, they are "screwing over" someone. No matter what they announce, people will unsub over it. +1 Please CCP, don't listen to the "vocal minorities". Show us your ambitions and make your future image come true!
**** yea, I agree with this too so long as the "the players are idiots we werent wrong" quote ISNT this vision Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Cozmik R5
Dock 94
44
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Posted - 2011.10.25 02:28:00 -
[237] - Quote
I'm not reading thru 12 pages for this...
THE UNDOCK BUTTON IS RIGHT THERE !!!
<---------- Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.10.25 02:56:00 -
[238] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
Defer WiS. The preferred exit is thru the hangar....... |
Flamespar
Woof Club
76
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Posted - 2011.10.25 02:58:00 -
[239] - Quote
WTB. Response from CCP?
I find it interesting how whilst Devs have been active in other threads, they have not participated in these many Incarna threads. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.25 03:33:00 -
[240] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:WTB. Response from CCP?
I find it interesting how whilst Devs have been active in other threads, they have not participated in these many Incarna threads. They don't need to respond, they know a lot of people want WiS and they know a lot more people will join than leave when they finally get to launching the full version.
WiS and Dust are a ground breaking concept that will propel EVE and CCP to the next level.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
92
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Posted - 2011.10.25 03:42:00 -
[241] - Quote
Diomedes Calypso wrote:We'll have walking in stations soon and on a machine designed for it.. the PS3 (yeah I dont' have one.. have the xbox so thats a wrinkile)
All the content will be there... let it happen in good time.. when feasible, find a way to let some percentage of the dust play be done on the pc....
... another option would have been putting out a run of the mill low resolution enviroment sorta on the level of global agenda (which is fun enough for me if it were a small sliver of a bigger game)
the PC and the Console are merging in the future anyway.. or whatever the predecessor will be called
A game configured PC will kick any consoles arse in terms of graphics, networking and physics calculations in general. So sorry, a lot of PCs would "one shot your console".
What DUST is going to be has very little to do with that WiS should have been in Eve. WiS was not meant to be FPS. And a LOT of Eve players will never have a console. I know I don't nor will I be planning on getting one.
As for them merging, actually, the exact opposite is happening.
Issler
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2011.10.25 03:42:00 -
[242] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:WTB. Response from CCP?
I find it interesting how whilst Devs have been active in other threads, they have not participated in these many Incarna threads.
Someone wanna link the dev blog where we got told about Incarna being shelved? Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
92
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Posted - 2011.10.25 03:46:00 -
[243] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Flamespar wrote:WTB. Response from CCP?
I find it interesting how whilst Devs have been active in other threads, they have not participated in these many Incarna threads. Someone wanna link the dev blog where we got told about Incarna being shelved?
Mostly implied from several "refocus" announcements about the new focus on FiS and the interview with the big "stinky" cheese I quoted.
Issler
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2011.10.25 04:07:00 -
[244] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:Tell us, exactly what is it you want from WiS that you thought you were going to get? More hallways to walk in? Fancier stations to look at?
Many of us want it, eventually.
What we don't want is CCP to ignore the real game for 36 months (because it took 18+ just to produce one CQ) before they even figure out how WiS improves the gameplay.
Space-barbie is neat looking, but adds 0 gameplay. Walking around typing /dance, /emote and other /animate_my_barbie commands is also neat, but adds 0 gameplay. Having "establishments" is just sounding like a pretty graphical interface for the market at best.
Granted CCP is bad at communicating, but it seems to me that all WiS is is yet another nifty tech demo of how to animate a person.
I'd rather have something useful to the gameplay like engine trails tbh.
Engine trails? And how is that adding more versatility to the game? That's not adding new content to expand game options. Personally I would rather have all buggy half finished content fixed before adding any more new content to this game. Even if it takes a few years. By the way, there's been a lot of good content added to the game within the past 36 months.
God, I'm really getting sick and tired of seeing close minded simpletons spouting garbage like 'Space Barbie' bla bla bla 'FiS' bla bla bla 'No content for 18 months' bla bla bla. Try looking outside the box.
FYI - I turned off CQ a few days after it's release due to all the problems. Doesn't mean I didn't like it nor do I want it removed from the game. I want to see it fully developed and integrated into Eve. I believe it has endless possibility's for adding lot's more depth and variety to game play. I've watched the CCP Videos with Dev's giving progress updates and demonstrations about Incarna and Dust.
Maybe I'm wrong but this is what I got from watching all those video demonstrations and interviews:
Incarna is a visionary step to turn a PC mmo spaceship simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Dust is a visionary step to turn a Console mmo FPS simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Joining these two totally different control applications together to work simultaneously would transform Eve Online into the ultimate real time based sci-fi virtual reality universe.
This should usher in a whole new era and revolutionize the gaming world as we know it.
As for new game play content, here's a couple of scenarios.
While in your Captains Quarters or in your ship, an alarm activates informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on one of your planets. You call up a Dust Commander and inform him to meet you in the war room of the Planetary Command Center to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the war room are 3-D visual maps of the Planet, the PI facility's and surrounding areas. You both examine the maps, verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team who are waiting at the 1st drop zone.
You travel to the planet with the supplies loaded in your ship, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy player ships. You make a call to your corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat happens in space while FPS ground forces engage each other.
As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy player ships when more enemy player ships warp in and you find yourself locked and tackled. Dust Commander contacts you again saying they need those supplies now.
or
You log into the game with the sound of alarms going off in your Captains Quarters. The main viewscreen informs you that the station is under Security Lockdown (no docking or undocking) due to an Invasion force (Sansha?). You and other players trapped inside the station must go deck by deck, seeking out and killing all invaders encountered. Players must make their way to the Central Command Center to deactivate the Security Lockdown allowing access to the docking bay. Question is: What will you do? Do you attempt this solo? Create a gang with other players for tactical combat and support? Stay inside your Captains Quarters and hope somebody else deactivates the Security Lockdown?
There are many different game play possibility's that could happen. Just open up your mind and think outside the box. I for one hope and pray that CCP is successful in making their vision a reality for us to enjoy.
Then we can all say 'Eve is Real'. |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.10.25 04:17:00 -
[245] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Flamespar wrote:WTB. Response from CCP?
I find it interesting how whilst Devs have been active in other threads, they have not participated in these many Incarna threads. Someone wanna link the dev blog where we got told about Incarna being shelved?
Yes please!
I too would like to see the quotes that say WiS or even WoD have been "shelved" which means "stopped" or "put on hold" because the way I read it they are both very much alive. They are still being worked on but most of the work is on FiS for now, to get it back in better shape.
Quote:"Second, World of Darkness lives on. Its concepts are revolutionary. CCP continues to believe that it will alter the landscape of the MMO as significantly as EVE has done but we need more time to continue to develop them before dedicating the substantial resources required to bring this experience to market."
Quote:"For the same reasons, IncarnaGÇöthe real one with actual meaningful gameplay in itGÇö will be a big step towards the future. For an experience that relies so much on emergence and human interaction, itGÇÖs remarkable that itGÇÖs taken us this long to actually put a face on it. Once Incarna hits its stride, EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences. Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game. We were behind the curve and it needs to be addressed for the sake of EVEGÇÖs longevity. We have the technology. Now we need time to add the content that will bring more meaning to the gameplayGÇöagain, without disrupting the space combat simulator that many of you are, or at least were, very much in love withGÇöand without delaying crucial improvements that this core experience desperately needs."
What's wrong with you people? Do you think you you say it often enough that WiS will ACTUALLY be shelved?
Incarna is moving forward and thus so is EVE.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
76
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Posted - 2011.10.25 04:20:00 -
[246] - Quote
The confusion stems from Hilmars recently interview in which he said that 'we may get back to incarna'. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Lateris
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.25 04:23:00 -
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I am loosing all respect for the way much of the eve community has behaved in the last recent months. SHAME on you all. Real people who helped make this game and did the designs, the programming, the art, and community relations, have lost their livelihood and that means nothing to spoiled brats who troll and troll for their own agendas. Some of us are completely out of control and have no respect for each other or the working class of CCP. You call this a summer of rage. I call this the summer of fools.You are fools who will kill this game. Shame on you for cutting into art, into creativity. You are acting like savages. You forget how this company was formed and its principles. You attacked developers who are just messengers of management and have to do their jobs with the message. You have no excuses, none, for this idiopathic behavior. Most of you have no bloody idea how to run a business. Instead you live off the luxury of the fat of the land complaining about issues with rage and anger which is mindless and useful idiotic stupidity. Do you remember how Lucas Arts and SOE changed SWG? They refused to listen to their players and never recovered. CCP is doing everything you want and yet you see it as an opportunity to act like vultures and converge on what seems like a weak moment as they try to appease you. Shame on you.
I stand by WIS. And I stand by CCP who has shown me more respect over the years than the lot of you trolls. Shame on you people who have cost good people their living. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
419
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Posted - 2011.10.25 04:27:00 -
[248] - Quote
Lateris wrote:I am loosing all respect You should tighten it then. |
Toros Revoke
Revoke Foundation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 04:33:00 -
[249] - Quote
I've always liked the idea of walking in stations, walking in cells was a tad dull and graphic cpu intensive for what it offered, which was little. But walking in stations is a cool idea that should be implemented (just never **** with my ship spinning again), I'd worry that even seeing another avatar would blow up my computer but as I live in Matar space I pretty much have a private station in every system |
ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2011.10.25 04:34:00 -
[250] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:. I want stuff and I want it ALL NAOW !!
Yes we know you want WiS. The problem is you cant have it because ...
1. It didn't work in any useful way and was woefully unfinished. True multiplayer WiS was AT LEAST a year away and probably more. It would have lagged like all hell with more than a few players in 1 room and added zero game play because there was no real plan for that game play.
2. CCP simply cant afford it right now. They do not have the cash flow to support the size of development team required.
3. Making WiS work means neglecting Spaceships. And long term players who never post on the forums were voting with their wallets. The majority of people in this game want Spaceships before Avatars.
Yes, in an ideal world with a great Incarna delivery even the most jaded bittervet would get something out of WiS. But that ain't going to happen.
How the hell did this thread get to 13 pages. Are all the Hi Sec Ice miners camped in station and heading for the forums ????
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
96
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Posted - 2011.10.25 04:52:00 -
[251] - Quote
You guys certainly carried on the debate without me.
Looking over the last few pages of this debate, I've noticed one thing. The two "sides" really aren't that far apart in the final analysis.
Even the most strident Barbie mockers admit that the basic original idea's behind Incarna had merit, but insist that spaceships are the heart and soul of this game and must take priority above all else. Now some admit they don't understand what content could be developed for Incarna that could possibly be as engaging in star ship combat. Others get hung up on EVE being a test bed for the Incarna tech.
Both sides keep explaining their point of view, and the other side either misinterprets it repeatedly or simply doesn't want to hear it.
I'm not going to create a wall of text (I hope) but here are a few pertinent points to consider on both sides.
1) Yes, EVE is a test bed for the Incarna tech. CCP has never kept this a secret. This (in typical Icelandic tradition) hasn't been pointed out by CCP for some time however, as it is considered public knowledge. Somehow the entirely practical idea of developing the same basic tech for both games has turned into a dirty word. EVE is the product that is already out there, of course it's going to be the platform where the stress testing is going to occur (and thankfully so).
2) WOD and Incarna has not been completely shelved. Operating with a reduced staff, yes. As much public attention diverted from it as possible, yes. But it has not been cancelled. This is a good sign for both sides. The focus is on EVE, resources have been reallocated to help address failures in this area for the last 18 months, and yet the potential for taking what they learned (the hard way) and doing it right still exists.
3) Nobody on either side wants Incarna to pull necessary resources from core EVE game play again. Nobody wants Incarna as it ended up to eat up development resources and continue on in the same manner as before. What some want, and what some don't understand, is for Incarna to be developed again but in the right way. If necessary with it's own funding and dev team, independent from what is necessary to keep the solid foundation that is traditional EVE game play alive and growing.
4) If EVE is going to survive it must evolve and grow, both in space and in new area's like Incarna and DUST. Just focusing on space alone will eventually play itself out, there are only so many new ships you can create without becoming redundant. Likewise, focusing too much on other area's will weaken the game as a whole and spell disaster. An intelligent division of resources (time and money) MUST happen for EVE to continue long term. What we have all experienced recently is NOT an intelligent division. Very important side projects endangered the whole through inefficiency, mismanaged resources, an overly optimistic development timeline, and limited duration funding. These failures must NOT happen again, and in fact can be avoided.
5) From the moment CCP first started developing EVE they have had a great vision compared to the rest of the gaming industry, and have literally produced results in many area's that no one else has touched even now, year's later. Where they sometimes fail is in the details of delivering that vision into a reality that everyone can get behind. If they can just get the hang of discussing in detail the future they envision for EVE, then get detailed feedback from us on how we would like to interact with it, and then finally focus their resources on making that fully happen (to completion) with a sensible allocation of resources, we would ALL (CCP included) end up with a thriving gaming universe with plenty of content and variety for everyone.
.... and yes, I see I blew the whole "avoid writing a wall of text" thing. I'll shut up now.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
14
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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:07:00 -
[252] - Quote
Briefly:
There are lots of games where you can walk around and dress up your toon.
There's only one game where you can fly spaceships MMOifficly, and it languished for years in stagnancy to try and put Incarna and Wod and Dust together.
So those of us who play this game for the flying spaceships part were rather upset (and it's not just a minority - there's a lot of players who don't like Incarna that never posted here, as seen by the large numbers of subscriptions dropped) to see Incarna sucking up resources that could've gone to making the spaceships game better.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
96
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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:07:00 -
[253] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:You guys certainly carried on the debate without me. ..... stuff..... .... and yes, I see I blew the whole "avoid writing a wall of text" thing. I'll shut up now.
Hilmar basically said with the 3 additional CQs and some optimizations "we have Incarna and we may come back to it sometime". No one with CCP has said any additional Incarna work is currently planned.
WoD is in life support. Incarna is "done" as far as CCP is concerned and CCP isn't working or even formally planning any additional WiS work.
A lot of folks are going to argue about what constitutes "core game play" and the point of this thread is a lot of us would say that getting us on the other side of that door, even if it is something simple would be something we would trade for what I would call "special interest end game features" that some of the loudest WiS haters claim to be FiS that they feel is all Eve is about.
I would say Eve is intended to be a SciFi simulator and CCP has delivered a lot of space ship SciFi content but WiS is needed in some form to move Eve forward. I think the loudest WiS haters have Hilmar convinced we don't really care about WiS when I think a lot of us do.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
96
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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:12:00 -
[254] - Quote
Komen wrote:Briefly:
There are lots of games where you can walk around and dress up your toon.
There's only one game where you can fly spaceships MMOifficly, and it languished for years in stagnancy to try and put Incarna and Wod and Dust together.
So those of us who play this game for the flying spaceships part were rather upset (and it's not just a minority - there's a lot of players who don't like Incarna that never posted here, as seen by the large numbers of subscriptions dropped) to see Incarna sucking up resources that could've gone to making the spaceships game better.
Could it have been a lot of folks hanging on or even resubbing to check out incarna, seeing what a joke CQ was and then learning not much more was coming or maybe folks upset about the NEX store that made folks leave?
Just as plausible, we had a bunch of folks come back to check out WiS, saw how lame it was as delivered and left as soon as they could.
There are also other MMOs to fly and fight in spaceships. What there isn't is another huge sandbox MMO with a player driven economy.
Issler
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:15:00 -
[255] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Flamespar wrote:WTB. Response from CCP?
I find it interesting how whilst Devs have been active in other threads, they have not participated in these many Incarna threads. Someone wanna link the dev blog where we got told about Incarna being shelved? Mostly implied from several "refocus" announcements about the new focus on FiS and the interview with the big "stinky" cheese I quoted. Issler
My point was ignoring the fact that the WiS has been shelved (like WoD and at the same time - lol co-incidence right?) doesnt make it not true and ignoring that is just silly Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:17:00 -
[256] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:The confusion stems from Hilmars recently interview in which he said that 'we may get back to incarna'.
Thats that link I was looking for. Again, ignoring these things is silly
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
96
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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:19:00 -
[257] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Flamespar wrote:WTB. Response from CCP?
I find it interesting how whilst Devs have been active in other threads, they have not participated in these many Incarna threads. Someone wanna link the dev blog where we got told about Incarna being shelved? Mostly implied from several "refocus" announcements about the new focus on FiS and the interview with the big "stinky" cheese I quoted. Issler My point was ignoring the fact that the WiS has been shelved (like WoD and at the same time - lol co-incidence right?) doesnt make it not true and ignoring that is just silly
From another thread, the official DEV response I wanted:
CCP Guard wrote:We-¦ve built a lot of solid character tech that can be used for all kinds of great game play in the future. Right now our focus will be on classic EVE game play, as we've committed to, so all that is on ice while we figure out what we want to do with it. And more importantly...what you guys want us to do with it.
On Ice, because even the hundreds player posts about what we want in WiS isn't clear enough??
Issler
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:21:00 -
[258] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:From another thread, the official DEV response I wanted: CCP Guard wrote:We-¦ve built a lot of solid character tech that can be used for all kinds of great game play in the future. Right now our focus will be on classic EVE game play, as we've committed to, so all that is on ice while we figure out what we want to do with it. And more importantly...what you guys want us to do with it. On Ice, because even the hundreds player posts about what we want in WiS isn't clear enough?? Issler
so.... shelved then Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:26:00 -
[259] - Quote
Trainwreck McGee wrote:Like you said WiS is dead so please leave EVE and stop posting
I can't believe the idoicy of some people. Yes lets make the game smaller with less subscribers so I can feel special.
I have been playing this game, I have tried most aspects of the game. I have been in a 0.0 alliance, I actually spend alot of time in low sec doing industrial work, I have also done Faction warfare, I have done the industrial, invention, mining, missioning world of high sec. (I started the game in 2006 with red moon rising). I was looking forward to WiS as something new.
Now that CCP in its wisdom of listening to the idiots that think less people would be better for the game and new people suck is the response they decided to go with. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 06:17:00 -
[260] - Quote
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:. I want stuff and I want it ALL NAOW !!
Yes we know you want WiS. The problem is you cant have it because ... 1. It didn't work in any useful way and was woefully unfinished. True multiplayer WiS was AT LEAST a year away and probably more. It would have lagged like all hell with more than a few players in 1 room and added zero game play because there was no real plan for that game play. 2. CCP simply cant afford it right now. They do not have the cash flow to support the size of development team required. 3. Making WiS work means neglecting Spaceships. And long term players who never post on the forums were voting with their wallets. The majority of people in this game want Spaceships before Avatars. Yes, in an ideal world with a great Incarna delivery even the most jaded bittervet would get something out of WiS. But that ain't going to happen. How the hell did this thread get to 13 pages. Are all the Hi Sec Ice miners camped in station and heading for the forums ???? Next time provide my actual post in the quote instead of twisting it into something completely different in an attempt to justify your failed troll response.
Obviously you only saw what you wanted to see instead of what I actually wrote due to your head being buried in the sand. |
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Itar Sheep
The Black Sheep Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 06:26:00 -
[261] - Quote
I'd still like to see WiS, but as well as more FiS not instead. |
Di Mulle
22
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Posted - 2011.10.25 06:27:00 -
[262] - Quote
Lateris wrote:I am loosing all respect for the way much of the eve community has behaved in the last recent months. SHAME on you all. Real people who helped make this game and did the designs, the programming, the art, and community relations, have lost their livelihood and that means nothing to spoiled brats who troll and troll for their own agendas. Some of us are completely out of control and have no respect for each other or the working class of CCP. You call this a summer of rage. I call this the summer of fools.You are fools who will kill this game. Shame on you for cutting into art, into creativity. You are acting like savages. You forget how this company was formed and its principles. You attacked developers who are just messengers of management and have to do their jobs with the message. You have no excuses, none, for this idiopathic behavior. Most of you have no bloody idea how to run a business. Instead you live off the luxury of the fat of the land complaining about issues with rage and anger which is mindless and useful idiotic stupidity. Do you remember how Lucas Arts and SOE changed SWG? They refused to listen to their players and never recovered. CCP is doing everything you want and yet you see it as an opportunity to act like vultures and converge on what seems like a weak moment as they try to appease you. Shame on you.
I stand by WIS. And I stand by CCP who has shown me more respect over the years than the lot of you trolls. Shame on you people who have cost good people their living.
Next time you will get not so fresh meal in a restaurant I suggest you to humbly chew it while thinking about poor cooks. Then enjoy your diarrhea while thinking about spoiled brats who refused to eat it. At least you seem to be familiar with some sort of diarrhea already, a verbal one.
CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 06:45:00 -
[263] - Quote
mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE.
I've seen you posting your twisted 'Doom and gloom' viewpoints everywhere with the 'Oh no, it's the end of FiS' type attitude if WiS is worked on. Where do you people come from?
Personally I hope your prediction is accurate. I'd love to see all of you closed minded trolls emo rage jump into the nearest Bio-Vat. |
EVE Stratics
Stratics Co
2
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Posted - 2011.10.25 06:54:00 -
[264] - Quote
+1 for Weapons in Space. |
HighChocobo
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:01:00 -
[265] - Quote
WiS should have brought in tons of new players then CCP wouldn't have to rely on these moron Veterans who ruined this possibly revolutionizing tech.
All Eve Online needed was WiS to bring in more casual players. Who cares what insomniac no lifers think when you can cater to sane casual players.
Finish WiS and if you can't do it man up and just say so.
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Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:04:00 -
[266] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Komen wrote:Briefly:
There are lots of games where you can walk around and dress up your toon.
There's only one game where you can fly spaceships MMOifficly, and it languished for years in stagnancy to try and put Incarna and Wod and Dust together.
So those of us who play this game for the flying spaceships part were rather upset (and it's not just a minority - there's a lot of players who don't like Incarna that never posted here, as seen by the large numbers of subscriptions dropped) to see Incarna sucking up resources that could've gone to making the spaceships game better.
Could it have been a lot of folks hanging on or even resubbing to check out incarna, seeing what a joke CQ was and then learning not much more was coming or maybe folks upset about the NEX store that made folks leave? Just as plausible, we had a bunch of folks come back to check out WiS, saw how lame it was as delivered and left as soon as they could. There are also other MMOs to fly and fight in spaceships. What there isn't is another huge sandbox MMO with a player driven economy. Issler Well it was pretty poor when we got CQ's and it appeared that it's only purpose was to be a storefront for the NEX store.
Reading other forums I've seen plenty of posts with people saying that as long as the NEX store remains in EVE they will simply not return.
CCP failed to see that people didn't accept the NEX store and how people have already witnessed what has occured with cash shops in other games. I still remember in LOTRO when Turbine said they wouldn't have any 'gold ammo' items in their cash shop, mysteriously that post has dissapeared from their forum and the game is now full of P2W items. Or go and have a look at APB now and see what G1 are up to there.
Allow the NEX store in the door without protest and I can guarantee you we'll see more and more creeping into it.
Then when you see comments regarding cash shops from people like CCP Zinfandel talking about his $500 sparkle pony (or whatever it was) in WoW and he has a hand in directing EVE's future then you know your in trouble.
Unless EVE is suddenly becoming a themepark game, then cash shop ponies and the like have no place in this sandbox game. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
187
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:15:00 -
[267] - Quote
Montevius Williams wrote:I think most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented.
Yes, indeed. They need to go back to the roots of amublation, they had some very good ideas but lost track of them somewhere between MT and their own hubris.
Players need to run the economy and ISK should fuel it. Nex and Aurum where bad ideas in combation with WiS it limited everyones freedom (including CCP's) - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
41
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:51:00 -
[268] - Quote
I want WiS, too, but I want new ships and bugs and 0.0 fixed much more. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
45
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:30:00 -
[269] - Quote
Shadowsword wrote:I want WiS, too, but I want new ships and bugs and 0.0 fixed much more.
This really is the right answer. We can have WiS, but it would be likely that the next 2 or so expansions would have very little in space content. If this happened, the player base would massively drop; the graphs don't lie.
I do hope that WiS is still on the backburner though. The true multiplayer incarnation would really add to the atmosphere of the game, even if there is no real content backing it (just poker + corp meeting rooms + public bars). I do hope to see this in maybe 1-1.5 years! |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
99
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:37:00 -
[270] - Quote
It isnt about NOT wanting WiS and a full scifi experience, its about DO want betetr spaceships game first and WiS is less important.
This is what the MAJORITY of players want, not what the minority want. Cater to a minority and any game will die. Revenue is from the majority, like it or not, teh majority want a better spaceship game first, a walking around looking pretty game second. |
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Shadow Lord77
Shadow Corporation Confederacy
46
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:48:00 -
[271] - Quote
Did you start this thread for a flame-war?
You're a fool! Isn't flying in spaceships content better for EvE than walking in station? |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:51:00 -
[272] - Quote
HighChocobo wrote:WiS should have brought in tons of new players then CCP wouldn't have to rely on these moron Veterans who ruined this possibly revolutionizing tech.
All Eve Online needed was WiS to bring in more casual players. Who cares what insomniac no lifers think when you can cater to sane casual players.
Finish WiS and if you can't do it man up and just say so.
^^ This! |
Wacktopia
Sicarius. Legion of The Damned.
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 09:00:00 -
[273] - Quote
Yeah I would like to see that door opened at some point. WiS was made worse by CQ. Personally, I'd have not gone so overboard on CQ and opened the door to a prublic atrium.
Also, let us close the door to our ship, dammit! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 09:44:00 -
[274] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Walking in Stations is a huge task and one which really hadn't been thought out properly.
We're talking stations of over 20 km in size. How are we going to walk around that lot? What are we going to do in there? In fact, what is in all those thousands of miles of corridors and how are we going to interact?
I've seen other games where we've had taverns in towns where players could meet and, always, they're empty. So, if we're wanting an Eve version of Mallory's Bar (The Gap) or that bar from Total Recall then we're going to have to have something worth our while going around walking in stations.
When I was playing other games I never once saw the point of towns or cities where we could meet other players. Not once did I say I'll spend the evening playing BadgerQuest or whatever and spend the time sitting around in a town. And neither did I once run into any players who were hanging around like extras in Westerns lounging around on the boardwalks.
In every MMO that I have played, players would come into town - because the had to - get whatever it was they had to have done done as fast as they could - and then beetle off to do some whatever they did out of the towns.
So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players? I have, at the moment no interest in WiS and I can't see me every having any interest in doing so. CCP would have to pull a massive rabbit out of a hat to make me interested. And if they tried to force us to leave the pod to find an agent/repairshop/refinery then the recent rage would be nothing compared to that storm.
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work. There have been countless suggestions from the player base that would provide fun, logical, immersive Incarna game play... far too many to repost here. You'll have to look at some of the countless Incarna related threads to find them, that is if you haven't already made up your mind.
Ranger 1, that is so true.
I've seen some of your ideas and they are excellent. I've also posted a couple scenarios myself and have seen other great ideas presented as well.
Obviously Myfanwy Heimdal along with all of the other nay saying flamers against WiS and Incarna have no imagination. They lack the mental ability to envision any of the multiple possibility's that could arise from this.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
143
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Posted - 2011.10.25 09:56:00 -
[275] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
15
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:21:00 -
[276] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Karadion wrote:Flamespar wrote:Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
Incarna haters are unable to fathom this. No, we get it. Again the concept is still extremely limited. What gameplay functionality was there anyways? There's a thousand times more crap to do in FiS than WiS. So, you don't want anything to do when you get sick of flying your Internet Spaceship? I mean, I don't know about you, but I eventually want to do something other than shoot sixteen Gisii Hijackers for the millionth time in a row. Honestly, you took one look at Incarna and ran for the airlock. The CQs were not intended to be the only part of Incarna. It's like judging a peanut factory because they haven't filled all the packages yet.
Let's bounce this the other way; what would you like to do and what would you expect to do?
Go into a seedy space bar? Well, let me tell you that the in game experience isn't going to be the same as going to be close to what you imagine. After about a week everyone who has tried drinking a few shots of something will just wander back to their ships and stay there.
Tell me, what do you want to happen in WiS and what would you expect will be delivered? |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
15
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:30:00 -
[277] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Obviously Myfanwy Heimdal along with all of the other nay saying flamers against WiS and Incarna have no imagination. They lack the mental ability to envision any of the multiple possibility's that could arise from this.
Ah, personal insults.
No imagination, you say? Clearly we've never met because you haven't a clue about what I can, do and have imagined and all of the possibilities that are available.
The problem is that we've got thousands of miles of corridor to fill in each station. The game play, out in space, more or less works. We are talking about moving the gameplay from outside to inside. So, we have thousands of miles of corridors and rooms and CCP have to encourage the whole playerbase that there's something better for them to do inside the stations.
It's no use saying that I haven't any imagination but CCP have the enormous task of changing the game's gameplay so that both FiS and WiS both work and, additionally, make WiS feel more than a half-baked bolt-on.
So, lay off the insults and kindly come up with some good and constructive comments and suggestions on what could be implemented that doesn't effect FiS and would encourage me to leave the pod. And, believe me, leave the pod I will if there is a point, a purpose and an incentive to do so. |
Via Shivon
Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:32:00 -
[278] - Quote
i want it in want bars... i want gambling maschines... i want poker tables... i want .... |
Ayumi Hinoki
Shimai of New Eden N E X O
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:34:00 -
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Everyone liked the idea of WiS back in the 2008 Fanfest, full of promises and good features.
We as a community aren't opposed to the development of Incarna but how you tried to implement it. The NeX store and its magically appearing items not created by players was a fail, the forcing players to use Incarna was a fail, the inmersion breaking useless environments was a fail, and so it continues.
Do it how such an amazing expansion it deserves, and don't screw up with FiS along the road, and everyone will be happy.
Come on, you guys have the power. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:36:00 -
[280] - Quote
It would be very sad if CCP puts WiS further back. There are a lot of players (including me) who are waiting for WiS since forever. And all we got was "the prison cell". Don't get me wrong. The "cell" is a start, but it seems that after their refocusing we won't see anything WiS related the next few years.
I understand that there are alot of players who are not interested in WiS and do want some content for spaceships. To be true, there is a lot of spaceship content out there and with WiS the content could be iterated even further and open up for deeper content. Just imagine flying into an exploration site, fighting of some pirates and docking at an old derelict ship. Leaving your Pod and explore the interior of the ship to find some profitable datacores or to blast open the mountings of the cargohold so that you can open it from your ship and loot it. Imagine other players who are also wandering the dark corridors in a race to find the best loot before you do... or to kill you. Imagine meeting with your enemies on board of a station, beginning negotiations in a smoky bar at the lower levels. Also meeting some shady traders down there and making a deal for some contraband. Leaving the station with the contraband in cargo followed by your enemies. Trying to get away before they scan you and catch you smuggling and open fire.
I don't know why FiS and WiS can't profit from each other, according to the WiS haters. With WiS CCP has the chance to deepen the gameplay in so many ways. That is what I'm waiting for. They shouldn't put it on hold and delay it any further. It would be a mistake.
I hope they can iterate on some FiS features in the winter expansion (yes, those things are important either) and once again distribute a little bit more workforce for WiS. They will have to find a balance. |
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
15
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:42:00 -
[281] - Quote
Via Shivon wrote:i want it in want bars... i want gambling maschines... i want poker tables... i want ....
Indeed, now as a Goon I am surprised that you lot haven't haven't organised this in game yourselves.
Speaking on a personal level; I play EVE because I would love to soar between the stars and this is he nearest that i am going to get outside of books. For the rest of your 'shopping list', say, I only have to go into the nearest town to the nearest pub or fire up Betfair here.
Anyway, you're a Goon. I challenge you to make a bookmaking empire - I am sure that you lot can do it. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
145
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:23:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:War Kitten wrote:I'd rather have something useful to the gameplay like engine trails tbh.
Quoted for irony.
You're not thinking hard enough if you can't see a use for engine trails in a dogfight. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
nahtoh
Vanguard Frontiers Intrepid Crossing
2
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:29:00 -
[283] - Quote
Jenny Spitfire wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Jenny Spitfire wrote:I support more of doing something with 3D characters. It is a shame to leave things as they are now. Genuine Jenny... No, I am serious. It is a good idea that can add an extra dimension to Eve and sadly, it is taken away. It is issues like this sometimes is killing the game. Players especially old players being too rigid or conservative and cannot accept changes whether it may be good or bad. The bottom line, however, it is played, is just bitter vet syndrome. If Eve started with 3D characters and micro-transactions, we will not have such conversation today.
Want to bet? Played a game with walking in stations from the get go (inablity to turn it off annoyed the crap out of me). it was fun for the first wee while but bleeding annoying after that.
Nex store? as longs its stuff that give no in game advantage I don't care one way or another (if someones wants to splurge ISK/whatever playing dressup more power to em).
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Athiven SkyWolf
Ancient Terran Allience
6
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:46:00 -
[284] - Quote
Morganta wrote:2 out of 10 for Wis
a clear majority 20%....
Heh Bully ! You should ask a Job in Syria. He is about to have 100% of his country supporting him. That is once he has killed or made flee the others.
Because once you don't have an active subscription you are unable to post and so are unable to vote. I myself will have my sub cancelled the Nov 2nd. What ? you think i should stay and pay to give you new toys i don't want myself ? Nope. If your side was more intelligent they would realise Incarna supporters would have been those buying in NEX store. That would mean not only more subs from them but also a lot more money to finance CCP and space and ships part of game. |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:49:00 -
[285] - Quote
********** Dot Com wrote:Texas Hold 'Em would rule, I fully support diverting FiS resources to Incarna if Texas Hold 'Em gets implemented. Especially if there are extremely detailed emotes for taunting or stoicism or something like that. I don't care. I just want EVE Poker where I don't have to trust those EOH guys whose faces are all over my captain's quarter's TV because of their ridiculously high bounties.
e: Texas Hold 'Em was literally one of the best things about Puzzle Pirates. Also totally owning scrubs and destroying their stuff and making them cry.
Uber idea! We need Texas Hold 'em in EVE Online, WiS rocks! |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
16
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:52:00 -
[286] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Uber idea! We need Texas Hold 'em in EVE Online, WiS rocks!
Why not just open a browser window and log onto a proper poker site? Why have CCP divert resources from WiS/FiS to provide something which is already provided for elsewhere? |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
161
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:55:00 -
[287] - Quote
WiS? FiS? It's all fine by me. |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 12:12:00 -
[288] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Uber idea! We need Texas Hold 'em in EVE Online, WiS rocks!
Why not just open a browser window and log onto a proper poker site? Why have CCP divert resources from WiS/FiS to provide something which is already provided for elsewhere?
Okay... well, why don't you go play "other" space games and not EVE? I want to sink my isk into gambling in the game, risking what I have in the game and not my cash in real world. Play pokers in free poker games? And the "points" and "free chips" u gain are used for.... what?
Have you played poker before? Risking something in poker and playing with free-chip is 2 "different" game, just for your information. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
16
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Posted - 2011.10.25 12:45:00 -
[289] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Uber idea! We need Texas Hold 'em in EVE Online, WiS rocks!
Why not just open a browser window and log onto a proper poker site? Why have CCP divert resources from WiS/FiS to provide something which is already provided for elsewhere? Okay... well, why don't you go play "other" space games and not EVE? I want to sink my isk into gambling in the game, risking what I have in the game and not my cash in real world. Play pokers in free poker games? And the "points" and "free chips" u gain are used for.... what? Have you played poker before? Risking something in poker and playing with free-chip is 2 "different" game, just for your information.
Have I played poker before? Hell's teeth, you nearly owe me a new keyboard as I almost spluttered out a mouthful of espresso. And, yes, I have been playing poker for over thirty years.
Obviously we haven't met so you will be naturally excused for not knowing that I do know the difference between free-bets and real bets. I know because I make my living from within this area of life. Of course, you didn't know that, so that's quite understandable.
Eve is a sandbox. Which is why I wish to play Eve; I am forging (slowly) a career in doing something that's different and what I can't get in other games. I have, not too many posts ago, been accused of not having an imagination. And, yet, it's this imagination which got me off on a strange and fun career path. That is why I play EVE.
Eve, again, is a sandbox. It's not beyond the realms of imagination to create a gaming empire that works. If I wanted gaming in Eve I would either do it myself or get someone to do it. But there's no need; all we have to do is to fire up a browser and do it anyway.
Best wishes.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2011.10.25 12:46:00 -
[290] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Obviously Myfanwy Heimdal along with all of the other nay saying flamers against WiS and Incarna have no imagination. They lack the mental ability to envision any of the multiple possibility's that could arise from this.
Ah, personal insults. No imagination, you say? Clearly we've never met because you haven't a clue about what I can, do and have imagined and all of the possibilities that are available. The problem is that we've got thousands of miles of corridor to fill in each station. The game play, out in space, more or less works. We are talking about moving the gameplay from outside to inside. So, we have thousands of miles of corridors and rooms and CCP have to encourage the whole playerbase that there's something better for them to do inside the stations. It's no use saying that I haven't any imagination but CCP have the enormous task of changing the game's gameplay so that both FiS and WiS both work and, additionally, make WiS feel more than a half-baked bolt-on. So, lay off the insults and kindly come up with some good and constructive comments and suggestions on what could be implemented that doesn't effect FiS and would encourage me to leave the pod. And, believe me, leave the pod I will if there is a point, a purpose and an incentive to do so.
Actually, this thread is to show positive support. You insult this thread by posting negative flame replies instead of trying to have a positive outlook. The fact that you won't even try to think of a scenario yourself and keep saying there's 1000's of miles of corridor's to fill tells me you lack imagination. The stations only need to have a few levels with maybe up to a dozen rooms each, max.
Top level could be 1 large room, the Promenade Deck, with large viewing ports to watch the ships outside the station. Can check if you're being station camped or maybe do side bets watching the pvp action. 2nd level could have Conference Rooms for Corporate meetings, War Room with access to 3D maps, a Central Command Center, Medical Bay. 3rd level would have Market, Shops, Bars, Casino, Security Office complete with holding cells (Brig), etc. Bottom level would have storage compartments, small rooms for black market deals, etc.
FYI - I've watched the CCP Videos with Dev's giving progress updates and demonstrations about Incarna and Dust. They even showed a ship leaving a station in space, traveling to a planet and doing atmospheric flight. Maybe I'm wrong but this is what I got from watching all those video demonstrations and interviews:
Incarna is a visionary step to turn a PC mmo spaceship simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Dust is a visionary step to turn a Console mmo FPS simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Joining these two totally different control applications together to work simultaneously would transform Eve Online into the ultimate real time based sci-fi virtual reality universe.
If CCP can accomplish this and make it work, it will usher in a whole new era and revolutionize the gaming world as we know it. As for new game play content, come on, it can't be that tough to think of some.
Hell, here's a couple of scenarios.
While in your ship or in station, your personal communicator (Aura?) activates an alarm informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on one of your planets. You contact the Dust Commander and inform him to meet you in the War Room to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the War Room are 3-D visual maps of the Planet, the PI facility's and surrounding areas. You both examine the maps, verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team who are waiting at the 1st drop zone on the planet.
You travel to the planet with the supplies loaded in your ship, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy player ships. You make a call to your Corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat starts happening in space while the FPS ground forces engage each other.
As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy player ships when more enemy player ships warp in and you find yourself locked and tackled. Dust Commander informs you his team is boxed in and needs those supplies now.
or
You log into the game with the sound of alarms going off in your Captains Quarters. The main viewscreen informs you that the station is under Security Lockdown (no docking or undocking) due to an Invasion force (Sansha?). You and other players trapped inside the station must Hack into various Security lockers for weapons and munitions. Players then go deck by deck, seeking out and killing all invaders encountered, Salvaging more weapons and munitions, body armor, etc..
Players must make their way to the Central Command Center to deactivate the Security Lockdown allowing players access to the docking bay. Question is: What will you do? Do you attempt this solo? Create a gang with other players for tactical combat and medical support? Stay inside your Captains Quarters and hope somebody else deactivates the Security Lockdown?
There are many different game play possibility's that could happen. I for one hope and pray that CCP is successful in making their dream a reality for us to enjoy. I wanna tell my friends - Hey, Eve is Real. |
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Mallikanth
Awakened Brotherhood The Brotherhood Alliance
20
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:22:00 -
[291] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
With everything that's gone on you still want to push for this? Basically you're saying I want less subscribers and people working for CCP.
If you can't understand that point then you need to re-read and think about everything that's gone on these last few weeks.
Now don't get me wrong, owning Bars etc could be fun and I wouldn't mind having a look but not to the detriment to the core aspects of the game and ultimately to CCP.
Believe in what they do, not what they say.
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Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:28:00 -
[292] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Uber idea! We need Texas Hold 'em in EVE Online, WiS rocks!
Why not just open a browser window and log onto a proper poker site? Why have CCP divert resources from WiS/FiS to provide something which is already provided for elsewhere? Okay... well, why don't you go play "other" space games and not EVE? I want to sink my isk into gambling in the game, risking what I have in the game and not my cash in real world. Play pokers in free poker games? And the "points" and "free chips" u gain are used for.... what? Have you played poker before? Risking something in poker and playing with free-chip is 2 "different" game, just for your information. Have I played poker before? Hell's teeth, you nearly owe me a new keyboard as I almost spluttered out a mouthful of espresso. And, yes, I have been playing poker for over thirty years. Obviously we haven't met so you will be naturally excused for not knowing that I do know the difference between free-bets and real bets. I know because I make my living from within this area of life. Of course, you didn't know that, so that's quite understandable. Eve is a sandbox. Which is why I wish to play Eve; I am forging (slowly) a career in doing something that's different and what I can't get in other games. I have, not too many posts ago, been accused of not having an imagination. And, yet, it's this imagination which got me off on a strange and fun career path. That is why I play EVE. Eve, again, is a sandbox. It's not beyond the realms of imagination to create a gaming empire that works. If I wanted gaming in Eve I would either do it myself or get someone to do it. But there's no need; all we have to do is to fire up a browser and do it anyway. Best wishes.
Ahhh, sorry if my saying didn't give you full undestanding of my point. ^q^ If thats how you put it. Then here is what I would say. "Fine, then stop living in that corner of life and only play pokers on free-bet games on browser. Oh, and don't mind about bragging your 'personal' situations on enjoying poker with real bet. Only then you would understand the meaning of having poker or ANY gambling in virtual world like EVE where they allow you to take balance between risk and a safe environment that is game."
Okay, so you would still play EVE if its a sandbox without any splash explosions and just a bunch of dotted solar systems connected by lines? It is called simulation game and we gamers have been playing it for long. While for a long time we imagined this EVE world where you could fly 3D ships in space, it was made possible by people who envisioned this in thin air. And you only came here and play it and says "I am imaginative" in accepting their imagination.
Incarna is a new stage for CCP and EVE developers, as well as its supporters (not including nay-saying "i'm just a FiS player" people). It has been how we envisioned it in thin air, how we lusted for years, and we've discussed so many possibilities this could bring to EVE. What you know as EVE will be changed and different, but please don't limit EVE only to your existentialistic imagination.
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Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:34:00 -
[293] - Quote
( i was writing much text, but the forum software "podded" it by "preview"ing it :( )
Short version:
I also like CQ and i'm really looking forward to WiS. But - yes - it should not be done on the cost of FiS, which is still the core of this amazing game. |
yumike
Eve of Madness
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:36:00 -
[294] - Quote
Killstealing wrote:get out qft
Morganta wrote:2 out of 10 for Wis
a clear majority 20%.... lol, kind of the point. of a vocal minority (the forums) and so few actually wish to prioritize wis > fis. Yet all the incarna fans were talking about how we are the minority. Sigh
What most fail to realize is if EVE forums is 3% of the population (Which, is probably being rather giving.) and only 20% of that 3% want it. extrapolate that onto the player base and we're talking about 30~40k subscribers that care about wis more then fis. |
Barakkus
959
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:43:00 -
[295] - Quote
Tashanaka wrote:Barakkus wrote:Tashanaka wrote:[ Agreed, WiS is a nice concept but once you walk around the station what is there to do? Nothing. What activities are going to add to WiS? No real details yet. What is going to make WiS better than docking into the hanger view? Nothing so far. So, where are the details?
CCP needs to put WiS on the back burner and work on FiS features/balance/upgrades until they have a concept for WiS that'd make it worth getting out of the hanger. They had one, as seen in the video from 2008 which we never got, but it looked awesome. The one where they were walking around a mall and going into a bar playing a mini-game? It's a beginning concept --and a hell of a lot more than we DID get in Incarna-- but it's still void of any real gameplay. How much time do you see yourself drinking Quafe, staring at exotic dancers, and playing a RISK type mini-game before you get bored? As I said, I'm not against WiS but it needs compelling gameplay that has meaning in EVE.
Actually I would probably spend a good deal of time hanging out in station waiting for various things for instance, I run incursions with a group of friends, we often have long wait lists to get on grid. I could hang out in station for half an hour or an hour or so until I'm on grid. I run with another group of friends on small roams...I could be hanging out in Dodixie in station waiting on people to show up and get shipped up etc. I do sit on my couch and stare at the tv while I chat with people waiting for various things here and there. I think a lot of other people would too, quite a few actually considering how long it takes some slow ass people to get where they need to be :P |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:50:00 -
[296] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Tashanaka wrote:Barakkus wrote:Tashanaka wrote:[ Agreed, WiS is a nice concept but once you walk around the station what is there to do? Nothing. What activities are going to add to WiS? No real details yet. What is going to make WiS better than docking into the hanger view? Nothing so far. So, where are the details?
CCP needs to put WiS on the back burner and work on FiS features/balance/upgrades until they have a concept for WiS that'd make it worth getting out of the hanger. They had one, as seen in the video from 2008 which we never got, but it looked awesome. The one where they were walking around a mall and going into a bar playing a mini-game? It's a beginning concept --and a hell of a lot more than we DID get in Incarna-- but it's still void of any real gameplay. How much time do you see yourself drinking Quafe, staring at exotic dancers, and playing a RISK type mini-game before you get bored? As I said, I'm not against WiS but it needs compelling gameplay that has meaning in EVE. Actually I would probably spend a good deal of time hanging out in station waiting for various things for instance, I run incursions with a group of friends, we often have long wait lists to get on grid. I could hang out in station for half an hour or an hour or so until I'm on grid. I run with another group of friends on small roams...I could be hanging out in Dodixie in station waiting on people to show up and get shipped up etc. I do sit on my couch and stare at the tv while I chat with people waiting for various things here and there. I think a lot of other people would too, quite a few actually considering how long it takes some slow ass people to get where they need to be :P As mentioned above, a lot of people might sit around and play cards or whatever...they had a chess board in one demo video, I'd probably sit around and play that a bit too. Some of you may want to try playing some other games that have **** like that and see how places to congregate actually do get used in other games. There will be plenty of people interested in that sort of thing, and it brings a lot more immersion to the EVE universe imo.
I am sure that you get navigation button window that gives you quick access to locations, bar, mall, and such. You should also be able to open all the market window, fitting, chats, and other things during your time in bars or walking around. I too spend a lot of time in station just chatting or fitting or watching the price for no reason. EVE is different from WoW or any of those "previously" available games, keep your imagination alive, people.
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Ana Vyr
93
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:57:00 -
[297] - Quote
I want WiS, but not at the expense of everything else which was clearly what was happening. In addition they really have to actually come up with a reason to have WiS. There needs to be an actual gameplay element that can only be accomplished out of your ship...smuggling, gambling, whatever. Whatever it is, it needs to be as consequential as the rest of the game, and it needs to interact with game elements such as the market, or industry in some manner. |
Xoria Krint
The Movement
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:02:00 -
[298] - Quote
The people that want WiS more then FiS don't understand what Eve is about.. All off them are just new players that want Eve to become Sims Online. Don't listen to them, they are the devil. |
Ranzabar
Ranzabar's Salvage and Protection Services Inc.
3
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:02:00 -
[299] - Quote
Montevius Williams wrote:I think most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented.
Exactly. You can have your cake and eat it to, IF you know how to bake a proper cake. |
Ranzabar
Ranzabar's Salvage and Protection Services Inc.
3
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:06:00 -
[300] - Quote
Xoria Krint wrote:The people that want WiS more then FiS don't understand what Eve is about.. All off them are just new players that want Eve to become Sims Online. Don't listen to them, they are the devil.
I'd like to see some nicer interiors in stations to look at while I'm spinning my ship. Thad'b nice. |
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Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
13
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:10:00 -
[301] - Quote
And why not both?
Once Dust is launched assign it's devs to finish WiS.
Meanwhile have the eve team focus on space content.
I agree that space content is superior to WiS, but while WiS doesn't add gameplay it's still a nice feature to have.
Accept the death of WiS and you basicly open your ass to CCP and say "thanks for the 3 years of poor content, please give me some more"
CCP should refocus on space, but not give up WiS in the process. Give that to CCP and you basicly encourage them to do the same empty promises in the futur.
Refocus on space, and keep a team to finish WiS (even it takes an other year). Case closed. |
Barakkus
959
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:12:00 -
[302] - Quote
Aston Bradley wrote:And why not both?
Once Dust is launched assign it's devs to finish WiS.
Meanwhile have the eve team focus on space content.
I agree that space content is superior to WiS, but while WiS doesn't add gameplay it's still a nice feature to have.
Accept the death of WiS and you basicly open your ass to CCP and say "thanks for the 3 years of poor content just to get a prison cell full of bugs"
CCP should refocus on space, but not give up WiS in the process. Give that to CCP and you basicly encourage them to do the same empty promises in the futur.
Refocus on space, and keep a team to finish WiS (even it takes an other year). Case closed.
Unfortunately, the state that it is currently in (and I don't know how much of that stuff from the video from 08 still exists) I am venturing a guess at another 3-5 years before it's ready to go. |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
13
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:23:00 -
[303] - Quote
Barakkus wrote: Unfortunately, the state that it is currently in (and I don't know how much of that stuff from the video from 08 still exists) I am venturing a guess at another 3-5 years before it's ready to go.
Even so, let them keep working on it, and force them to keep the space content well and alive.
We (and that includes WiS haters) should not let CCP get away that easily. What i fear now, is the reaction of players at the next winter launch.
I expect loads of "GJ CCP", "You are the bests" to be flooded on the forum. Than the CEO will turn to it's employees and say "See? all is forgiven". |
Barakkus
959
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:25:00 -
[304] - Quote
I wouldn't doubt they will re-purpose dusties to work on Incarna once it's released. |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:27:00 -
[305] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:I wouldn't doubt they will re-purpose dusties to work on Incarna once it's released. Let's hope this is going to happen. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:56:00 -
[306] - Quote
yumike wrote:Killstealing wrote:get out qft Morganta wrote:2 out of 10 for Wis
a clear majority 20%.... lol, kind of the point. of a vocal minority (the forums) and so few actually wish to prioritize wis > fis. Yet all the incarna fans were talking about how we are the minority. Sigh What most fail to realize is if EVE forums is 3% of the population (Which, is probably being rather giving.) and only 20% of that 3% want it. extrapolate that onto the player base and we're talking about 30~40k subscribers that care about wis more then fis.
Few, if any, people wish to prioritize Incarna content over FIS content. That path led to disaster.
What people want is for core game play development to be the priority again, but for the core tech of Incarna (and more importantly a proper content plan) to continue to be developed when and where possible.
I think most understand that especially right now, very few resources can be directed towards this work. But few is far better than none for now, especially if good sense is employeed when allocating development resources in the future.
Above all, the desire is for it not to be shelved completely... and for what work that is being done be centered around building a solid plan for inelligent game play. The EVE player base will not accept the tech being developed simply for eventual use in WOD. If it's going to be in our game, it damn well needs to serve an intelligent purpose.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Tommy Laughingface
Neko Neko Honpo Shake Hands Family
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:15:00 -
[307] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: I think most understand that especially right now, very few resources can be directed towards this work. But few is far better than none for now, especially if good sense is employeed when allocating development resources in the future.
What CEO said in the recent interview was that there will be "none".... |
Sturmwolke
150
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:16:00 -
[308] - Quote
The returns for Incarna will pale before the effort/investment that goes into it. The only logical reason why they're doing it for Eve is mainly because of WoD.
I play this game for the core Eve classic gameplay (as do most other players). Incarna, regardless of content, is just a side distraction - the icing on a cake. It will never be be treated as the core game because then you'll be having CCP maintain two distinct teams (due to the technical differences) to support & develop both features. It gets expensive. In time, they will have to choose between one or the other - from the cost vs returns standpoint.
I think they're failing to see the single non-monetary commodity from player - TIME. You either spend most of your time with the core gameplay or you spend it elsewhere. The core game has enough content for this to keep the player's interest indefinitely. Incarna will never fully monopolize the MAJORITY player's time, because if it does, then you might as well have spawned an independent sister game to fully monetize the investments poured into it.
Talking about the EVE classic game, it's not a dead-end as some people might argue (short-sightedly). A "game" is always valued first with the quality of its gameplay, how the game is presented (in terms of graphics) is really a secondary/almost non-critical concern.
Now, can you imagine where the classic Eve gameplay would be now if it had the same amount of money/resources (as per Incarna) poured back into it?
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
436
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:23:00 -
[309] - Quote
WiS outside CQ isn't going to happen, unfortunately.
CCP started enthusatically with their CARBON engine only to find out that .. it's a monster of an engine and however pretty (excluding some shader effects); even rendering just one single character walking around in a shoebox already ate more resources than your average fast paced 3D shooter game with 40 people running around in it.
So I guess investors became impatient and raised their eyebrows on the validity of the WiS path, which also would serve as the WoD engine. Also with the current economical climate they rather don't take risks - but the carbon engine seemed to be a neverending story to fine tune and work proper, without killing your PC.
In the meantime the CSM/forum posters started to grumble over the time and human resources WiS was going to consume the coming months/years. Now CCP had the perfect excuse to postpone WiS without losing face (leaving the sinking ship), fire a large chunk of their WoD development team, shelve WoD and "re-allocate resources on FiS since the faithful EVE playerbase wants it and CCP found they mistakingly lost their way but have seen the light again". It's all too convenient to be true and genuine imho .. but that's perhaps my suspiscion. |
Barakkus
960
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:24:00 -
[310] - Quote
Sturmwolke wrote: I play this game for the core Eve classic gameplay (as do most other players). Incarna, regardless of content, is just a side distraction - the icing on a cake. It will never be be treated as the core game because then you'll be having CCP maintain two distinct teams (due to the technical differences) to support & develop both features. It gets expensive. In time, they will have to choose between one or the other - from the cost vs returns standpoint.
They already maintain a number of distinct teams working on a number of different aspects of EVE, it's not just 1 group of developers working on everything.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Shadow Legion Industries Dark Phoenix Rising.
8
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:25:00 -
[311] - Quote
"CCP! A lot of us want WiS"
And allot more don't, cheers! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:29:00 -
[312] - Quote
HighChocobo wrote:
Finish WiS and if you can't do it man up and just say so.
so... them losing 20% of their company and shelving the results (and another game) wasnt them saying "we cant do it" loud enough for you? I hope they never say it louder then
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1040
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:30:00 -
[313] - Quote
Jennifer Starling wrote:WiS outside CQ isn't going to happen, unfortunately.
It will happen or CCP will lose another wave of subs who lose their hope or finally get tired of waiting of something what was tech demoed at 2008 already.
Get |
Mirime Nolwe
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Devil's Warrior Alliance
38
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:33:00 -
[314] - Quote
WiS if implemented right was a good thing for the game, at least social wise. But the single player buggy mode we got its not even near what CCP have been promising over the last (3/4/5?) years. So or they finish the product or its just ******** to release content like that. |
Sturmwolke
150
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:33:00 -
[315] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Sturmwolke wrote: I play this game for the core Eve classic gameplay (as do most other players). Incarna, regardless of content, is just a side distraction - the icing on a cake. It will never be be treated as the core game because then you'll be having CCP maintain two distinct teams (due to the technical differences) to support & develop both features. It gets expensive. In time, they will have to choose between one or the other - from the cost vs returns standpoint.
They already maintain a number of distinct teams working on a number of different aspects of EVE, it's not just 1 group of developers working on everything.
The context (if it wasn't already apparent) was Incarna related teams vs classic EVE teams.
/me facepalms |
Aston Bradley
Aliastra Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:35:00 -
[316] - Quote
Jennifer Starling wrote:WiS outside CQ isn't going to happen, unfortunately.
CCP started enthusatically with their CARBON engine only to find out that .. it's a monster of an engine and however pretty (excluding some shader effects); even rendering just one single character walking around in a shoebox already ate more resources than your average fast paced 3D shooter game with 40 people running around in it.
So I guess investors became impatient and raised their eyebrows on the validity of the WiS path, which also would serve as the WoD engine. Also with the current economical climate they rather don't take risks - but the carbon engine seemed to be a neverending story to fine tune and work proper, without killing your PC.
True, but i am suprised so many put all the blame of the last poor FIS updates on the back of WiS.
Dust should be added to the equation. That game, should it succed or not, as pulled most of CCP's ressources. WiS couldn't have been done at a worse time. Once Dust is launched, and if it's not a big flop, all will be well.
Without dust pulling so much ressources, i am sure WiS would have been delivered by now.
FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:40:00 -
[317] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I think most understand that especially right now, very few resources can be directed towards this work. But few is far better than none for now, especially if good sense is employeed when allocating development resources in the future.
What CEO said in the recent interview was that there will be "none"....
The tech used for Incarna was developed in large part for WOD. WOD development, while scaled back sharply, has not stopped.
Part of the point to this thread is to let them know it's okay to keep that spark alive, so long as that work starts with developing a proper plan for content and Dev resource distribution. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:42:00 -
[318] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Uber idea! We need Texas Hold 'em in EVE Online, WiS rocks!
Why not just open a browser window and log onto a proper poker site? Why have CCP divert resources from WiS/FiS to provide something which is already provided for elsewhere? Okay... well, why don't you go play "other" space games and not EVE?
why dont you stop trying to change the game by destroying the company that makes it? This is never gonna be what you want. Move on.
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
336
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:42:00 -
[319] - Quote
Sturmwolke wrote:Barakkus wrote:Sturmwolke wrote: I play this game for the core Eve classic gameplay (as do most other players). Incarna, regardless of content, is just a side distraction - the icing on a cake. It will never be be treated as the core game because then you'll be having CCP maintain two distinct teams (due to the technical differences) to support & develop both features. It gets expensive. In time, they will have to choose between one or the other - from the cost vs returns standpoint.
They already maintain a number of distinct teams working on a number of different aspects of EVE, it's not just 1 group of developers working on everything. The context (if it wasn't already apparent) was Incarna related teams vs classic EVE teams. /me facepalms You might be surprised how wide support the "real" Incarna concept in EvE community has. The reasons towards the hate for what we have now are more or less of it not being what people were expecting and for CCP ignoring FiS for so long time. Incarna itself wasn't the problem.
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Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
15
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:48:00 -
[320] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote: You might be surprised how wide support the "real" Incarna concept in EvE community has. The reasons towards the hate for what we have now are more or less of it not being what people were expecting and for CCP ignoring FiS for so long time. Incarna itself wasn't the problem.
Absoloutly.
Go back 3 years in time and see if anyone complained about Incarna back then. A good idea that sadly was executed in the worst possible ways. It's still a good idea. |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:49:00 -
[321] - Quote
Aston Bradley wrote:And why not both?
The last two years showed why not. They cant. Even with more personnel. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:51:00 -
[322] - Quote
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high.
We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
16
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:51:00 -
[323] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aston Bradley wrote:And why not both?
The last two years showed why not. They cant. Even with more personnel.
Oh i am sure the dust team will be more than enough to put it back on it's feet. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
337
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:54:00 -
[324] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aston Bradley wrote:And why not both?
The last two years showed why not. They cant. Even with more personnel. Yep... I can't think any other company what would present playable tech demo to their customers, ditch it down to drain and start building new one from scratch, only to realize that the end product is total piece of junk :)
It really takes skills and eventually will make Incarna compete about the NukeDukem "forever"-title. Only few more years to go.
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Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
16
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:57:00 -
[325] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high. We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.
And i am looking forward to them. Going back to FiS is a very good move.
Still, i hope you guys won't put WiS in a box, Wrap it in tape, put it in a safe, add chains to it, and burry it deep underground.
And from the recent interviews, that seems to be your plan. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
104
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:00:00 -
[326] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Uber idea! We need Texas Hold 'em in EVE Online, WiS rocks!
Why not just open a browser window and log onto a proper poker site? Why have CCP divert resources from WiS/FiS to provide something which is already provided for elsewhere? Okay... well, why don't you go play "other" space games and not EVE? why dont you stop trying to change the game by destroying the company that makes it? This is never gonna be what you want. Move on.
Respectfully, although you repeat that point often, it is not correct.
They cannot continue development the way the have in the past, this includes development of classic FIS EVE content. Hilmars interview pointed out many serious issues with how development (including the process of getting feedback from the community, and the level of effort and time required to keep the various teams/locations in sync) resources were not being utilized effectively. Even with FIS content they have been digging the hole of unfinished content deeper and deeper over the years, and it's starting to have a serious negative effect.
The truth is that on all levels they need to change HOW they have been doing things. Much of the necessary restructuring has been done or is currently underway (regretfully at the cost of many good employees), and the benefits are starting to show already.
Bottom line: Developing Incarna did not do the damage to CCP. HOW they went about doing it did. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Chaniqua TicTic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:00:00 -
[327] - Quote
I want ships and a working game before even looking at walking in space. I want every single expansion so far to be looked at and finished. Nearly every single expansion has something unfinished, bugged, or just plain wrong with it. FIX THIS!
Instead of cannibalizing EVE as a testbed for your other games, focus on what makes EVE good. One of your devs (in the fearless magazine) referenced EVE as the goose the lays golden eggs for your company, remember this and treat it as such. |
Phantom Slave
Cryogenic Creations
17
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:08:00 -
[328] - Quote
I for one hope that CCP puts at least part of their development team on WiS. Maybe just 1 team dedicated to it. The potential for WiS is so awesome, even if it never gets used for more than a glorified lobby where people can sit at a bar or balcony and talk. Slowly add small features to it, not full-blown expansions. Every month add a little bit. A few Agents here and there, maybe add a balcony where you can see the Empress Jamyl in the distance with a full ensemble of guards and spectators.
I don't roleplay, at least not in the sense that true RPers do. What I do is I look at the environment and back story, and connect myself with it so I have a more meaningful experience. Maybe give us the ability to speak with our lvl 4 agents "off the grid" to get some secret missions with dark political implications. The potential here is so enormous it's no wonder you haven't built anything for it. Where do you start?
Start small! Get us the multi-player aspect, with some NPC run bars and NPC's walking around in the distance to give it some feeling of life. Then give us something else that's small in the next patch. Then something small in the next. Give a general focus to what you want us to eventually have, and just put pieces here and there.
Give us something! I hate to see this technology show up and then the code start collecting dust like what happened to FW. I don't want to wait however many years those FW guys have been waiting, just to see another iteration on WiS.
Give everybody what they want. Give us our WiS, even in small pieces. Focus on FiS, as you should. It's what everybody wants to some degree. But there's a lot of us out there that want WiS just as bad.
CCP has said over and over that you're focusing on what the players want. Do us a favor and do exactly that. Work on what *all* of us want, not just the majority. Even if it only happens every 3 months or so, throw us a bone! |
Barakkus
960
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:21:00 -
[329] - Quote
Sturmwolke wrote:Barakkus wrote:Sturmwolke wrote: I play this game for the core Eve classic gameplay (as do most other players). Incarna, regardless of content, is just a side distraction - the icing on a cake. It will never be be treated as the core game because then you'll be having CCP maintain two distinct teams (due to the technical differences) to support & develop both features. It gets expensive. In time, they will have to choose between one or the other - from the cost vs returns standpoint.
They already maintain a number of distinct teams working on a number of different aspects of EVE, it's not just 1 group of developers working on everything. The context (if it wasn't already apparent) was Incarna related teams vs classic EVE teams. /me facepalms
And what I'm saying, it's not any different in how they structure their development staff now if it wasn't apparent. |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
16
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:38:00 -
[330] - Quote
Phantom Slave wrote: CCP has said over and over that you're focusing on what the players want. Do us a favor and do exactly that. Work on what *all* of us want, not just the majority. Even if it only happens every 3 months or so, throw us a bone!
Well... To be fair we'll get all 4 CQ's soon.
I would say the next step should be to let us invite friends to our CQ if we happen to be on same station.
The whole point of incarna is to give us a tool to socialize. In that, incarna was a total fail.
I always compare the concept of incarna to the playstation's home social network. This is a good exemple of what icarna can bring to the table. |
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Satav
Latinum Exports
71
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:39:00 -
[331] - Quote
Can't plz anybody.....................
"we want WiS!!!!!!!"
"we want FiS!!!!!!!"
"we want WiS!!!!!!!"
ugg. Like a 2 year old. Maybe we should tell CCP what we like and leave it at that and be content. They are never going to plz everyone.......... I hope they don't even try to as thats how games die. Just look at any other MMO company thats tried to.
I think the OP is being slightly melo dramatic. Yes WiS needs some more development. But CCP can't do everything at once. Things need to be prioritized. and right now it's FiS.
You can't always have everything you want when you want it. You have to make some compromises. |
Astor Daeoli
Eye of God
7
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:41:00 -
[332] - Quote
What's the point in being able to walk around in station if you can't interact with the other 1,500+ people in the station?
Allowing us to walk out of an empty captain's quarter and into an empty station or a station with only NPCs to interact with...what's the point of that?
Why even bother spending resources on that?
I'm glad CCP spent resource on a workable FP avatar model like Dust than expanding CQ into walking around empty station.
Abadon WiS. |
Angeliena
Eye of God
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:43:00 -
[333] - Quote
Abaddon WiS now! |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
16
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:45:00 -
[334] - Quote
Satav wrote:
You can't always have everything you want when you want it. You have to make some compromises.
Than i suggest your read it again.
OP refers to interciews that suggest that WiS isn't being our of the priority list of even post-poned. Rather it seems that CCP intends to burry the whole project. There might be some missinterpretation there, but unless it is denied that seems to be the plan.
As you said, you have to make some compromises. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
135
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:46:00 -
[335] - Quote
Mirima Thurander wrote:i have a post about how they could do WiS as a mini mmo inside of eve with its own income to support being on a diff sever as to not take away from the the FiS server resources
that's what they were allready doing... |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
100
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 16:47:00 -
[336] - Quote
Aston Bradley wrote: And i am looking forward to them. Going back to FiS is a very good move.
Still, i hope you guys put WiS in a box, Wrap it in tape, put it in a safe, add chains to it, and burry it deep underground.
And from the recent interviews, that seems to be your plan.
I Agree
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:50:00 -
[337] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Uber idea! We need Texas Hold 'em in EVE Online, WiS rocks!
Why not just open a browser window and log onto a proper poker site? Why have CCP divert resources from WiS/FiS to provide something which is already provided for elsewhere? Okay... well, why don't you go play "other" space games and not EVE? why dont you stop trying to change the game by destroying the company that makes it? This is never gonna be what you want. Move on. Respectfully, although you repeat that point often, it is not correct. They cannot continue development the way the have in the past, this includes development of classic FIS EVE content. Hilmars interview pointed out many serious issues with how development (including the process of getting feedback from the community, and the level of effort and time required to keep the various teams/locations in sync) resources were not being utilized effectively. Even with FIS content they have been digging the hole of unfinished content deeper and deeper over the years, and it's starting to have a serious negative effect. The truth is that on all levels they need to change HOW they have been doing things. Much of the necessary restructuring has been done or is currently underway (regretfully at the cost of many good employees), and the benefits are starting to show already. Bottom line: Developing Incarna did not do the damage to CCP. HOW they went about doing it did.
Taking all the devs but six from EVE and putting them on other projects is what caused serious damage to EVE to be honest. Along with splitting their focus across DUST, and WoD/Incarna (because they are linked). Focussing BACK on EVE (where it never should have left) and fixing/finishing those unfinished projects is what they need to do imo. AFTER THAT they can work on your precious WiS IF it doesnt bleed resources from EVE or damage the company.
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Aston Bradley
Aliastra Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:50:00 -
[338] - Quote
Astor Daeoli wrote:What's the point in being able to walk around in station if you can't interact with the other 1,500+ people in the station?
Allowing us to walk out of an empty captain's quarter and into an empty station or a station with only NPCs to interact with...what's the point of that?
Why even bother spending resources on that?
As an in station trader i have to facepalm that. Depsite common belief, eve isn't just pew pew in space. Trading has at the very least, one half of the cut.
While i am managing my contracts and sales, walking around Jita that will be overpopulated with other traders like myself, is a VERY welcome feature. FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
17
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:52:00 -
[339] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aston Bradley wrote: And i am looking forward to them. Going back to FiS is a very good move.
Still, i hope you guys put WiS in a box, Wrap it in tape, put it in a safe, add chains to it, and burry it deep underground.
And from the recent interviews, that seems to be your plan.
FixedI Agree
Fixed
and i don't agree
Nice try
FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:54:00 -
[340] - Quote
Aston Bradley wrote:Astor Daeoli wrote:What's the point in being able to walk around in station if you can't interact with the other 1,500+ people in the station?
Allowing us to walk out of an empty captain's quarter and into an empty station or a station with only NPCs to interact with...what's the point of that?
Why even bother spending resources on that?
As an in station trader i have to facepalm that. Depsite common belief, eve isn't just pew pew in space. Trading has at the very least, one half of the cut. While i am managing my contracts and sales, walking around Jita that will be overpopulated with other traders like myself, is a VERY welcome feature.
uh... the rest of the game would like a word with you if you think your profession is half the ppl in the game Love the people that think their demographic is all there is to the game and they are the main focus (including me) Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
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Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
13
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:54:00 -
[341] - Quote
Hey, you can have all the World of Evecraft that you want. But don't take away the ship spinning or forget what the basis of this is all about, and that's FiS, aka Eve Online. The door behind the toon you spin contains the secrets behind life, the universe and everything. |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:55:00 -
[342] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aston Bradley wrote:And why not both?
The last two years showed why not. They cant. Even with more personnel. Yep... I can't think any other company what would present playable tech demo to their customers, ditch it down to drain and start building new one from scratch, only to realize that the end product is total piece of junk :) It really takes skills and eventually will make Incarna compete about the NukeDukem "forever"-title. Only few more years to go.
There is a saying in software development, build one to throw away. You learn a lot and on the second try you get a much better foundation. They could have taken an existing framework and just built the content but CCP likes making their own stuff. It's just harder and takes longer.
MUCH longer.
I'm for Incarna but don't sacrifice the EVE we have. Keep the core healthy. Expand it when you have the resources and a plan.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:56:00 -
[343] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aston Bradley wrote:And why not both?
The last two years showed why not. They cant. Even with more personnel. Yep... I can't think any other company what would present playable tech demo to their customers, ditch it down to drain and start building new one from scratch, only to realize that the end product is total piece of junk :) It really takes skills and eventually will make Incarna compete about the NukeDukem "forever"-title. Only few more years to go. There is a saying in software development, build one to throw away. You learn a lot and on the second try you get a much better foundation. They could have taken an existing framework and just built the content but CCP likes making their own stuff. It's just harder and takes longer. MUCH longer.
Funny, I wonder if DUST wasnt that and now theyre forced to go through with it, having abandoned all their other projects
Given the damage Incarna (or in Ranger1's view, the way it was made) has caused with the company that runs our game, youd think the WiS lovers would give them time to RECOVER before threatening to unsub an all that unless they work on their pet mini game Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
17
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:59:00 -
[344] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aston Bradley wrote:Astor Daeoli wrote:What's the point in being able to walk around in station if you can't interact with the other 1,500+ people in the station?
Allowing us to walk out of an empty captain's quarter and into an empty station or a station with only NPCs to interact with...what's the point of that?
Why even bother spending resources on that?
As an in station trader i have to facepalm that. Depsite common belief, eve isn't just pew pew in space. Trading has at the very least, one half of the cut. While i am managing my contracts and sales, walking around Jita that will be overpopulated with other traders like myself, is a VERY welcome feature. uh... the rest of the game would like a word with you if you think your profession is half the ppl in the game Love the people that think their demographic is all there is to the game and they are the main focus (including me)
Simple to prove.
Go to all the main trading hubs, and make the sum of all the traders you'll find. Take the number you get and make the ratio with the connected players.
Still... Yes i have exagerated a bit, but i do say... a bit FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
12
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:04:00 -
[345] - Quote
I want WiS.
I do not want WiS, an FPS, and unrelated mmo, all at the cost of FiS.
it's not rocket science :)
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:05:00 -
[346] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Funny, I wonder if DUST wasnt that and now theyre forced to go through with it, having abandoned all their other projects
Given the damage Incarna (or in Ranger1's view, the way it was made) has caused with the company that runs our game, youd think the WiS lovers would give them time to RECOVER before threatening to unsub an all that unless they work on their pet mini game
Dust does use an existing framework from what I remember. I think it is probably the most on-track of all the projects because they can just focus on the content and the EVE tie-ins. Maybe they can take a lesson from that and use an licensed engine and then we can get walking in stations, fighting in starbases, exploring sleeper sites in a reasonable time frame.
By the way, walking in stations is the least interesting thing we can do on foot. I want to lead a research team into exploration sites to fight, hack and loot. Maybe do the same on planets and moons.
I'm for Incarna but don't sacrifice the EVE we have. Keep the core healthy. Expand it when you have the resources and a plan.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
101
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 17:06:00 -
[347] - Quote
Aston Bradley wrote:Simple to prove. Go to all the main trading hubs, and make the sum of all the traders you'll find. Take the number you get and make the ratio with the connected players. Still... Yes i have exagerated a bit, but i do say... a bit
How many of this giant percentage of the player base are human out of curiosity? Might as well try an say 50% of the ppl in 0.0 are miners cause there are so many bot mining fleets out there
nice try tho.
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
17
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 17:10:00 -
[348] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aston Bradley wrote:Simple to prove. Go to all the main trading hubs, and make the sum of all the traders you'll find. Take the number you get and make the ratio with the connected players. Still... Yes i have exagerated a bit, but i do say... a bit How many of this giant percentage of the player base are human out of curiosity? Might as well try an say 50% of the ppl in 0.0 are miners cause there are so many bot mining fleets out there nice try tho.
I am talking about main hubs in empire, and in-station traders (They havn't found a bot system for that yet).
I don't remember talking about 0.0, and mining.
I kindly return the compliment FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
101
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 17:18:00 -
[349] - Quote
Aston Bradley wrote:I don't remember talking about 0.0, and mining. I kindly return the compliment
You didnt and I dont remember saying you did.... I was making a comparison. Not THAT hard to figure out
An um... using Google (editted as teyre proliferating enough, I dont need to direct ppl to them) I see all kinds of links for them including ones that boast "in-station trading"
So what was the throwaway project? Looks to me (Im biased) but WiS looks the most disposable.
Also not trying to troll this time, but look at the available projects: DUST, WoD or WiS.
I know its hard, but Im not trying to troll, it just looks kinda obvious to me that if WiS wasnt the disposable bit here, theyd have repurposed code and content guys from WoD to WiS after they decided to refocus. Coding monkeys from WoD could work in EVE's WiS stuff given theyre supposedly both running on the same engine yes? So why didnt they? I get the money and that rather huge loan coming due, but they could have made the cut more broader and kept the WoD talent. Youd think those guys would be gold, working on JUST WiS style content, as I dont see any other kind of content being put in WoD. SO, they gut the WoD devs and stop working on WiS. Looks pretty damn obvious what theyre planning Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:18:00 -
[350] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:WiS powered by Unreal
Would this be the first MMO to outsource in game engines from another company or is this a common practice and Ive never been keen enough to notice it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games
Looks like plenty of Asian MMOs use it. The problem may be integrating with FiS and having 2 different engines to content with.
I'm for Incarna but don't sacrifice the EVE we have. Keep the core healthy. Expand it when you have the resources and a plan.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
101
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 17:21:00 -
[351] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:WiS powered by Unreal
Would this be the first MMO to outsource in game engines from another company or is this a common practice and Ive never been keen enough to notice it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_gamesLooks like plenty of Asian MMOs use it. The problem may be integrating with FiS and having 2 different engines to content with.
ah, likely I never saw it before as Ive never played them Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
yumike
Eve of Madness
2
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:24:00 -
[352] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Few, if any, people wish to prioritize Incarna content over FIS content. That path led to disaster.
What people want is for core game play development to be the priority again, but for the core tech of Incarna (and more importantly a proper content plan) to continue to be developed when and where possible.
I think most understand that especially right now, very few resources can be directed towards this work. But few is far better than none for now, especially if good sense is employeed when allocating development resources in the future.
Above all, the desire is for it not to be shelved completely... and for what work that is being done be centered around building a solid plan for inelligent game play. The EVE player base will not accept the tech being developed simply for eventual use in WOD. If it's going to be in our game, it damn well needs to serve an intelligent purpose.
Of course, but CCP seems to be only focusing on one thing at a time, a devblog in '10 said specifically that they'd had over 70% of their development staff working on incarna since apocrypha, which is no surprise our 'expansions'/'changes' have been so lame since that expansion. I think most people would happily say "Switch that to 20% and keep other stuff coming, we can wait" But in response CCP has shelved the entire thing it seems. To be honest I was surprised with how interesting some of the stuff looked at fanfest, but if it add's no gameplay perspective and is just glitter, thats a whole lot of wasted development time that could have been spent elsewhere.
I think CCP has again got the signals crossed and is making a mistake by dropping the idea entirely, but it is a serious improvement over last year, and the year before. |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
17
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:26:00 -
[353] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aston Bradley wrote:I don't remember talking about 0.0, and mining. I kindly return the compliment You didnt and I dont remember saying you did.... I was making a comparison. Not THAT hard to figure out An um... using Google (editted as teyre proliferating enough, I dont need to direct ppl to them) I see all kinds of links for them including ones that boast "in-station trading"
So what was the throwaway project? Looks to me (Im biased) but WiS looks the most disposable. Also not trying to troll this time, but look at the available projects: DUST, WoD or WiS. I know its hard, but Im not trying to troll, it just looks kinda obvious to me that if WiS wasnt the disposable bit here, theyd have repurposed code and content guys from WoD to WiS after they decided to refocus. Coding monkeys from WoD could work in EVE's WiS stuff given theyre supposedly both running on the same engine yes? So why didnt they? I get the money and that rather huge loan coming due, but they could have made the cut more broader and kept the WoD talent. Youd think those guys would be gold, working on JUST WiS style content, as I dont see any other kind of content being put in WoD. SO, they gut the WoD devs and stop working on WiS. Looks pretty damn obvious what theyre planning
I don't think you are trolling, and believe or not. I strongly support your theory. Still, i believe WiS a worth working on. Even if takes an other 3 years (As long as FiS content keeps coming while it get's there.) FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
372
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 17:29:00 -
[354] - Quote
Ya know, Im cool with you all having your WiS as long as they dont make it manditory for me (I remember reading a dev blog or an interview wher ea CCP said they were planning on removing the button that allows you to opt out of WiS - thats likely where a lot of your "WiS" hate comes from) it doesnt impact my EVE playing, or doesnt impact the development of my EVE either.
You all can have your fun mini game. Im cool with that. Just dont let it infringe upon the rest of the game, and dont let it damage the company that runs our shared game. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Barakkus
1520
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:30:00 -
[355] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ya know, Im cool with you all having your WiS as long as they dont make it manditory for me (I remember reading a dev blog or an interview wher ea CCP said they were planning on removing the button that allows you to opt out of WiS - thats likely where a lot of your "WiS" hate comes from) it doesnt impact my EVE playing, or doesnt impact the development of my EVE either.
You all can have your fun mini game. Im cool with that. Just dont let it infringe upon the rest of the game, and dont let it damage the company that runs our shared game.
I think both sides of the debate can all agree on exactly this. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Rees Noturana
Maverick Exploration
93
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:31:00 -
[356] - Quote
yumike wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Few, if any, people wish to prioritize Incarna content over FIS content. That path led to disaster.
What people want is for core game play development to be the priority again, but for the core tech of Incarna (and more importantly a proper content plan) to continue to be developed when and where possible.
I think most understand that especially right now, very few resources can be directed towards this work. But few is far better than none for now, especially if good sense is employeed when allocating development resources in the future.
Above all, the desire is for it not to be shelved completely... and for what work that is being done be centered around building a solid plan for inelligent game play. The EVE player base will not accept the tech being developed simply for eventual use in WOD. If it's going to be in our game, it damn well needs to serve an intelligent purpose.
Of course, but CCP seems to be only focusing on one thing at a time, a devblog in '10 said specifically that they'd had over 70% of their development staff working on incarna since apocrypha, which is no surprise our 'expansions'/'changes' have been so lame since that expansion. I think most people would happily say "Switch that to 20% and keep other stuff coming, we can wait" But in response CCP has shelved the entire thing it seems. To be honest I was surprised with how interesting some of the stuff looked at fanfest, but if it add's no gameplay perspective and is just glitter, thats a whole lot of wasted development time that could have been spent elsewhere. I think CCP has again got the signals crossed and is making a mistake by dropping the idea entirely, but it is a serious improvement over last year, and the year before.
I'm getting the feeling that the HIlmar quote was an exaggeration. Other comments sprinkled throughout the forums lead me to believe that there may actually be a small team still working on Incarna. I'm loving that they are knocking out a ton of spaceship related content though. When you don't have to build an entire framework the devs can make quick changes that get to the player base much faster. If they can get Incarna to a stable point we should see the same thing there.
-á |
Tashanaka
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
17
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:34:00 -
[357] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote: ...Looks like plenty of Asian MMOs use it. The problem may be integrating with FiS and having 2 different engines to content with.
They already have the engine for Incarna and it supposed to be the same one in WoD and likely Dust as well. That's what most of this time was spent on, making the engine. CCP ran out of time to make any real *gameplay* for Incarna and we ended up with a single CQ with almost zero gameplay. As we seen with over heating, it also needed/needs some optimization work.
Gameplay is the key to Incarna and CCP has yet to talk about compelling gameplay for Incarna. Yes, they covered some items in 2008 that have yet to make it live. However, even that wasn't very compelling.
I could see myself spending some time sitting in a station bar playing poker, but I can already do that via the IGB. Plus, I'd rather play poker for ISK than Aururm. Other mini-games will also get old quickly and hardly be worth leaving the hanger. Corp offices & meeting space: I'm not that much of a role player, we have voice-coms & forums for our corp needs.
So, CCP, please make compelling gameplay for Incarna. I want it someday, but NEVER at the expense of EVE spaceships.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
103
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 17:35:00 -
[358] - Quote
Aston Bradley wrote:
I don't think you are trolling, and believe or not. I strongly support your theory. Still, i believe WiS a worth working on. Even if takes an other 3 years (As long as FiS content keeps coming while it get's there.)
lol see above. Im not changing my tune either, I felt this way all along. Its just the ppl that are now crying cause they shelved WiS that are pissing me off. GUYS let CCP HEAL before they decide to take another stab at WiS. Another round of mass unsub cause they shelved WiS is gonna do nothing but get more people on the street without a job.
Its a Black Spiral theyre Dancing here. Mass unsub they shelf WiS/WoD. More mass unsubs They now HAVE to do somethting along the lines of working on several projects like they said they couldnt do in the first place. Unfinished content/underwhelming expansions follow and more mass unsubs (mind you all this time CCP (and the accounts) is getting smaller).
When does it end? I can tell you there would be a point where it definately ends and not to "doom and gloom" but if we use mass unsubs to be the catalyst of that change thats where its GONNA end up. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
70
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 17:38:00 -
[359] - Quote
Tashanaka wrote:Rees Noturana wrote: ...Looks like plenty of Asian MMOs use it. The problem may be integrating with FiS and having 2 different engines to content with.
They already have the engine for Incarna and it supposed to be the same one in WoD and likely Dust as well. That's what most of this time was spent on, making the engine. CCP ran out of time to make any real *gameplay* for Incarna and we ended up with a single CQ with almost zero gameplay. As we seen with over heating, it also needed/needs some optimization work. Gameplay is the key to Incarna and CCP has yet to talk about compelling gameplay for Incarna. Yes, they covered some items in 2008 that have yet to make it live. However, even that wasn't very compelling. I could see myself spending some time sitting in a station bar playing poker, but I can already do that via the IGB. Plus, I'd rather play poker for ISK than Aururm. Other mini-games will also get old quickly and hardly be worth leaving the hanger. Corp offices & meeting space: I'm not that much of a role player, we have voice-coms & forums for our corp needs. So, CCP, please make compelling gameplay for Incarna. I want it someday, but NEVER at the expense of EVE spaceships.
Dust is listed on the Unreal engine page. I have no idea if that is accurate though.
Compelling gameplay for Incarna must involve conflict and they've kept saying it doesn't. Without conflict there is no purpose. Without conflict it is indeed just a fashion show. This core fact must change in their planning. I'm for Incarna but don't sacrifice the EVE we have. Keep the core healthy. Expand it when you have the resources and a plan.
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Astor Daeoli
Eye of God
8
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:39:00 -
[360] - Quote
Aston Bradley wrote:Astor Daeoli wrote:What's the point in being able to walk around in station if you can't interact with the other 1,500+ people in the station?
Allowing us to walk out of an empty captain's quarter and into an empty station or a station with only NPCs to interact with...what's the point of that?
Why even bother spending resources on that?
As an in station trader i have to facepalm that. Depsite common belief, eve isn't just pew pew in space. Trading has at the very least, one half of the cut. While i am managing my contracts and sales, walking around Jita that will be overpopulated with other traders like myself, is a VERY welcome feature.
Dear Aston,
As I mentioned above, CCP does not have the platform nor the technology to alow you to "mingle" with the other traders in Jita. It's just not possible. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
117
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:59:00 -
[361] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote:yumike wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Few, if any, people wish to prioritize Incarna content over FIS content. That path led to disaster.
What people want is for core game play development to be the priority again, but for the core tech of Incarna (and more importantly a proper content plan) to continue to be developed when and where possible.
I think most understand that especially right now, very few resources can be directed towards this work. But few is far better than none for now, especially if good sense is employeed when allocating development resources in the future.
Above all, the desire is for it not to be shelved completely... and for what work that is being done be centered around building a solid plan for inelligent game play. The EVE player base will not accept the tech being developed simply for eventual use in WOD. If it's going to be in our game, it damn well needs to serve an intelligent purpose.
Of course, but CCP seems to be only focusing on one thing at a time, a devblog in '10 said specifically that they'd had over 70% of their development staff working on incarna since apocrypha, which is no surprise our 'expansions'/'changes' have been so lame since that expansion. I think most people would happily say "Switch that to 20% and keep other stuff coming, we can wait" But in response CCP has shelved the entire thing it seems. To be honest I was surprised with how interesting some of the stuff looked at fanfest, but if it add's no gameplay perspective and is just glitter, thats a whole lot of wasted development time that could have been spent elsewhere. I think CCP has again got the signals crossed and is making a mistake by dropping the idea entirely, but it is a serious improvement over last year, and the year before. I'm getting the feeling that the HIlmar quote was an exaggeration. Other comments sprinkled throughout the forums lead me to believe that there may actually be a small team still working on Incarna. I'm loving that they are knocking out a ton of spaceship related content though. When you don't have to build an entire framework the devs can make quick changes that get to the player base much faster. If they can get Incarna to a stable point we should see the same thing there.
A dev in another thread (and I think I posted it also earlier in this thread) said it is on "Ice" because they can't figure out what would make it fun. :-( They really don't get it.
There is no team working on Incarna other than to deliver the other CQs. Then as Hilmar said, "there would be Incarna" so Incarna now means Captains Space Prison Cells.
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
104
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 18:09:00 -
[362] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
A dev in another thread (and I think I posted it also earlier in this thread) said it is on "Ice" because they can't figure out what would make it fun. :-( They really don't get it.
There is no team working on Incarna other than to deliver the other CQs. Then as Hilmar said, "there would be Incarna" so Incarna now means Captains Space Prison Cells.
Issler
Im thinking the problem here is theyre looking at WiS along the terms with what they can do with the technology they currently have. Given that the technology they currently have, they cant do what would be needed to make it "fun" (that includes player suggestions).
Or thats how that reads to me.
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:12:00 -
[363] - Quote
Maybe it's time we just designed it for them. I'm for Incarna but don't sacrifice the EVE we have. Keep the core healthy. Expand it when you have the resources and a plan.
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Barakkus
961
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 18:25:00 -
[364] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aston Bradley wrote:
I don't think you are trolling, and believe or not. I strongly support your theory. Still, i believe WiS a worth working on. Even if takes an other 3 years (As long as FiS content keeps coming while it get's there.)
lol see above. Im not changing my tune either, I felt this way all along. Its just the ppl that are now crying cause they shelved WiS that are pissing me off. GUYS let CCP HEAL before they decide to take another stab at WiS. Another round of mass unsub cause they shelved WiS is gonna do nothing but get more people on the street without a job. Its a Black Spiral theyre Dancing here. Mass unsub they shelf WiS/WoD. More mass unsubs They now HAVE to do somethting along the lines of working on several projects like they said they couldnt do in the first place. Unfinished content/underwhelming expansions follow and more mass unsubs (mind you all this time CCP (and the accounts) is getting smaller). When does it end? I can tell you there would be a point where it definately ends and not to "doom and gloom" but if we use mass unsubs to be the catalyst of that change thats where its GONNA end up.
Just quoting because people need to understand what is being said here. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
118
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:28:00 -
[365] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote:Maybe it's time we just designed it for them.
I'm all for that! I'd also like them to consider building it with the engine they licensed for DUST. We know that can be commercialized!
A real common mistake that has killed many a game effort if the belief that best in class graphics is instant win, in fact there have been a number of very "pretty" games that had no interesting game play or content that failed horribly. The Unreal engine used in Dust is plenty good enough to get us our seedy bars were naughty men can slip about and create out smuggling empires or our corporate boardrooms and museum hangars.
Issler |
Astor Daeoli
Eye of God
9
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 18:33:00 -
[366] - Quote
You can't make EVE into "The Sims in space" with the EVE server.
The most people you can have in The Sims is about 40 in one room/instance.
EVE is built on a single server, EVE is not built with an instanced platform.
Just imagine the lag in Jita if CCP tried to build "The Sims in Space" allowing 40 people per room with incarna's graphics! You would get a FPS of 0.001!
If CCP did allow sperate servers to run "room" instances for 40 people at a time say, a portion of your corp, then what would the special 40 players do together? Dance around in groups while disconnected from EVE real time economy? CCP would not be able to integrate this in real time into the main EVE server becasue of lag. Do you want time dilation for trading? Do you want to wait 60 mins to buy an item? You would end up with 40 people slow walking around each other. Why would you want this? |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
4
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:33:00 -
[367] - Quote
IMO, a lot of us did want WiS.. Where CCP fell short is that they thought we wanted WiS to the exclusion of everything else..
I for one would still love to see general station environment, establishments, Slay, and most importantly the TACTICAL MAP ROOM (**** that would have been awesome for FC's) we just didn't want them ignoring spaceships all together..
I am a little irked by the latest statements that WiS development has 'stopped' and may be brought back in the future.. They migfht as well just remove CQ entirely if that's the case, since CQ is pretty much useless.
Spaceships first,
WIS second.. it's that simple. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
104
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 18:38:00 -
[368] - Quote
Astor Daeoli wrote:You can't make EVE into "The Sims in space" with the EVE server.
The most people you can have in The Sims is about 40 in one room/instance.
EVE is built on a single server, EVE is not built with an instanced platform.
Just imagine the lag in Jita if CCP tried to build "The Sims in Space" allowing 40 people per room with incarna's graphics! You would get a FPS of 0.001!
If CCP did allow sperate servers to run "room" instances for 40 people at a time say, a portion of your corp, then what would the special 40 players do together? Dance around in groups while disconnected from EVE real time economy? CCP would not be able to integrate this in real time into the main EVE server becasue of lag. Do you want time dilation for trading? Do you want to wait 60 mins to buy an item? You would end up with 40 people slow walking around each other. Why would you want this?
This is a point as well. We're never gonna get the one game one server thing with WiS without destroying the game for both WiS players and EVE players
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Astor Daeoli
Eye of God
9
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 18:39:00 -
[369] - Quote
Chandaris wrote:IMO, a lot of us did want WiS.. Where CCP fell short is that they thought we wanted WiS to the exclusion of everything else..
I for one would still love to see general station environment, establishments, Slay, and most importantly the TACTICAL MAP ROOM (**** that would have been awesome for FC's) we just didn't want them ignoring spaceships all together..
I am a little irked by the latest statements that WiS development has 'stopped' and may be brought back in the future.. They migfht as well just remove CQ entirely if that's the case, since CQ is pretty much useless.
Spaceships first,
WIS second.. it's that simple.
I can't see EVE running at a playable FPS 40+ people instance with incarna's graphics while mainttaining a real time connection to theEVE's server?
Would a CCP dev like to comment about this? Am I right or can CCP do this?
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:40:00 -
[370] - Quote
Chandaris wrote:They might as well just remove CQ entirely if that's the case, since CQ is pretty much useless.
I agree with this as well. Roll it back, remove this and rework it. Its obvious it needs work anyways. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
62
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:41:00 -
[371] - Quote
Astor Daeoli wrote:Chandaris wrote:IMO, a lot of us did want WiS.. Where CCP fell short is that they thought we wanted WiS to the exclusion of everything else..
I for one would still love to see general station environment, establishments, Slay, and most importantly the TACTICAL MAP ROOM (**** that would have been awesome for FC's) we just didn't want them ignoring spaceships all together..
I am a little irked by the latest statements that WiS development has 'stopped' and may be brought back in the future.. They migfht as well just remove CQ entirely if that's the case, since CQ is pretty much useless.
Spaceships first,
WIS second.. it's that simple. I can't see EVE running at a playable FPS 40+ people instance with incarna's graphics while mainttaining a real time connection to theEVE's server? Would a CCP dev like to comment about this? Am I right or can CCP do this?
Ok, so instance WiS without instancing new eden.... at least give us some functional gameplay or just get rid of it .. a mirror and a sofa and three commercials? what was the point.. |
Barakkus
1520
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:42:00 -
[372] - Quote
Astor Daeoli wrote:You can't make EVE into "The Sims in space" with the EVE server.
The most people you can have in The Sims is about 40 in one room/instance.
EVE is built on a single server, EVE is not built with an instanced platform.
Just imagine the lag in Jita if CCP tried to build "The Sims in Space" allowing 40 people per room with incarna's graphics! You would get a FPS of 0.001!
If CCP did allow sperate servers to run "room" instances for 40 people at a time say, a portion of your corp, then what would the special 40 players do together? Dance around in groups while disconnected from EVE real time economy? CCP would not be able to integrate this in real time into the main EVE server becasue of lag. Do you want time dilation for trading? Do you want to wait 60 mins to buy an item? You would end up with 40 people slow walking around each other. Why would you want this?
Wow, you have absolutely no idea what is behind the actual running of TQ if you think EVE is on a single server, or any clue how multiplayer games work if you think that the number of people you're going to be able to get in one area is going to be constrained that badly by the hardware TQ runs on.
The WiS was going to be run on a separate cluster anyways.
If anything it's going to be mostly a problem client side getting tons of people running around. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Rees Noturana
Maverick Exploration
93
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:48:00 -
[373] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Astor Daeoli wrote:You can't make EVE into "The Sims in space" with the EVE server.
The most people you can have in The Sims is about 40 in one room/instance.
EVE is built on a single server, EVE is not built with an instanced platform.
Just imagine the lag in Jita if CCP tried to build "The Sims in Space" allowing 40 people per room with incarna's graphics! You would get a FPS of 0.001!
If CCP did allow sperate servers to run "room" instances for 40 people at a time say, a portion of your corp, then what would the special 40 players do together? Dance around in groups while disconnected from EVE real time economy? CCP would not be able to integrate this in real time into the main EVE server becasue of lag. Do you want time dilation for trading? Do you want to wait 60 mins to buy an item? You would end up with 40 people slow walking around each other. Why would you want this? This is a point as well. We're never gonna get the one game one server thing with WiS without destroying the game for both WiS players and EVE players
EVE may be one shard but it's made up of a lot of individual server blades. They've split a lot of different things to different blades so that spaceships stay at top speeds. The CarbonIO changes were also going to be key to handling a large number of avatars in one place. Curious what the final "avatar bandwidth" was. Maybe low enough to shelve the whole thing.
Anyway, I'd still like the focus to not be creating the Jita marketplace but creating points of conflict. -á |
Daquaris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
34
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:55:00 -
[374] - Quote
No we don't.
Get out. |
Astor Daeoli
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:57:00 -
[375] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Astor Daeoli wrote:You can't make EVE into "The Sims in space" with the EVE server.
The most people you can have in The Sims is about 40 in one room/instance.
EVE is built on a single server, EVE is not built with an instanced platform.
Just imagine the lag in Jita if CCP tried to build "The Sims in Space" allowing 40 people per room with incarna's graphics! You would get a FPS of 0.001!
If CCP did allow sperate servers to run "room" instances for 40 people at a time say, a portion of your corp, then what would the special 40 players do together? Dance around in groups while disconnected from EVE real time economy? CCP would not be able to integrate this in real time into the main EVE server becasue of lag. Do you want time dilation for trading? Do you want to wait 60 mins to buy an item? You would end up with 40 people slow walking around each other. Why would you want this? Wow, you have absolutely no idea what is behind the actual running of TQ if you think EVE is on a single server, or any clue how multiplayer games work if you think that the number of people you're going to be able to get in one area is going to be constrained that badly by the hardware TQ runs on. The WiS was going to be run on a separate cluster anyways. If anything it's going to be mostly a problem client side getting tons of people running around.
You are correct, I do not know how TQ runs. I am not a developer; however, I have played a lot of MMORPGs that launched with high level graphics.
These game suffered from a lot of lag with smaller numbers of players per shard/shell than the average population of Jita.
The graphics used in CQ already overheat my GPU (nvidea GTX260) with just one avatar in the room.
In a few years time, say 2013 post Nvidea maxwell GPU (an expesive bit of kit when it comes out) we should get a gpu that can handle 40? to 125? incarna avatars with good fps. Maybe this would be the time for CCP to work on making "The Sims in Sapce"
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Aston Bradley
Aliastra Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:58:00 -
[376] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Chandaris wrote:They might as well just remove CQ entirely if that's the case, since CQ is pretty much useless.
I agree with this as well. Roll it back, remove this and rework it. Its obvious it needs work anyways.
Surely they migh aswell remove CQ, and most of us won't even notice the loss.
That being said. The engine is there, and while it needs alot of work, it still has potentiel.
I would suggest to aim lower. If WiS is too much trouble, focus an a corp room first or allow friends to join your CQ. Get the social aspect in Incarna and it's very appreciable tool to have.
If mini-games, a whole station, npc's interaction, and the capacity to rez 100+ character is too much of pain, go for something simple but effective.
Astor Daeoli wrote: Aston,
As I mentioned above, CCP does not have the platform nor the technology to alow you to "mingle" with the other traders in Jita. It's just not possible.
At the moment, i have agree with you.
But it is my hope that a part of ccp will keep working on it. Even if that means wait an other 3-4 years untill they get to it, provided that they keep 9/10 of their staff and ressources to fix and develop FiS.
Understand this :
I am an incarna hater too, but i am not a WiS station. WiS in it's core idea is a good feature, it's execution in incarna is just horrible. FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
ugh zug
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:58:00 -
[377] - Quote
Montevius Williams wrote:I think most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented.
Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |
Arin Fensfield
NOVA Innovations Inc.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:00:00 -
[378] - Quote
No interest in getting involved in the inevitable arguments and insults, so all I'll say is I was very excited about the Incarna/Walking in Stations content, and I was extremely disappointed about the recent change of direction by the developers. I was more than happy to wait until the basic Incarna content was working properly before 'FiS' was focussed on again.
Anyway I said as much when I disabled my recurring subscription yesterday. Sure, I did so primarily for financial reasons, but the change in priorities is still basically the reason I decided to pay for FF XIV when subscriptions start in a month or two rather than letting my subscription to EVE renew come December.
I've dropped a 'Like' on the OP. See you lot when Incarna development's resumed - or, at least when I've money enough to play a game I'm no longer so excited for, again. |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:00:00 -
[379] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Chandaris wrote:They might as well just remove CQ entirely if that's the case, since CQ is pretty much useless.
I agree with this as well. Roll it back, remove this and rework it. Its obvious it needs work anyways.
Agreed, in it's current state CQ is pointless.
Astor Daeoli wrote: Aston,
As I mentioned above, CCP does not have the platform nor the technology to alow you to "mingle" with the other traders in Jita. It's just not possible.
At the moment, i have to agree with you.
But it is my hope that a part of ccp will keep working on it. Even if that means waiting an other 3-4 years untill they get to it, provided that they keep 9/10 of their staff and ressources to fix and develop FiS.
Understand this :
I am an incarna hater too, but i am not a WiS station. WiS in it's core idea is a good feature, it's execution in incarna is just horrible.
WiS is not a idea as long as it dosen't hurt the FiS content, which is the problem of Incarna. FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Astor Daeoli
Eye of God
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:04:00 -
[380] - Quote
Arin Fensfield wrote:No interest in getting involved in the inevitable arguments and insults, so all I'll say is I was very excited about the Incarna/Walking in Stations content, and I was extremely disappointed about the recent change of direction by the developers. I was more than happy to wait until the basic Incarna content was working properly before 'FiS' was focussed on again.
Anyway I said as much when I disabled my recurring subscription yesterday. Sure, I did so primarily for financial reasons, but the change in priorities is still basically the reason I decided to pay for FF XIV when subscriptions start in a month or two rather than letting my subscription to EVE renew come December.
I've dropped a 'Like' on the OP. See you lot when Incarna development's resumed - or, at least when I've money enough to play a game I'm no longer so excited for, again.
Dear Arin,
What WiS content were you very excited about?
What did you want to do with your avatar in the station?
How many other avatars did you want to be able to share an instance with?
Did you want to be conected in real time to EVE while in the WiS instance?
PS are you sure you want to play FF XIV? (edit) |
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Jita Alt666
414
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:05:00 -
[381] - Quote
Walking in stations would be nice. It could add a lot to the Eve experience.
Unlike the Eve Online Universe, the universe we live in has access to limited resources. Limited resources means that a company (or individual) has to pick and choose what" things" they wish to achieve at the opportunity cost of other "things".
Due to the poor Captain's Quarters release and the associated NeX failure, many players (myself included) voted with our feet by mass cancelling subs. This combined with negative press releases from out of game media hurt the bottom line of CCP. Subsequently they have made a rationale and solid business decision to return their development to what they do best: Eve Online Flying in Space.
Walking in Stations will reappear in the Eve Online future. I personally believe that if implemented correctly that it could create a wonderfully immersive experience. However I understand that CCP need to look after the bulk of their playerbase. The bulk of the playerbase (my self included) feel aspects of Eve Online have been neglected since 2008. The first step in ensuring the long term survival of Eve Online is ensuring that the bulk of the playerbase see enough development to keep active subscriptions alive. |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:07:00 -
[382] - Quote
Astor Daeoli wrote:
Dear Arin,
What WiS content were you very excited about?
What did you want to do with your avatar in the station?
How many other avatars did you want to be able to share an instance with?
Did you want to be conected in real time to EVE while in the WiS instance?
Hey... chill,
you don't have to be that agressive. He's just giving his opinion. FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Astor Daeoli
Eye of God
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:08:00 -
[383] - Quote
Aston Bradley wrote:Astor Daeoli wrote:
Dear Arin,
What WiS content were you very excited about?
What did you want to do with your avatar in the station?
How many other avatars did you want to be able to share an instance with?
Did you want to be conected in real time to EVE while in the WiS instance?
Hey... chill, you don't have to be that agressive. He's just giving his opinion.
... and I'm just asking him what he was very excited about...
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Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:15:00 -
[384] - Quote
Astor Daeoli wrote: Hey... chill,
you don't have to be that agressive. He's just giving his opinion.
... and I'm just asking him what he was very excited about... [/quote]
Yes but your doing it in the most "get lost" way. I am not saying that you are being rude, i am saying that you are cleary hammering people that don't share your point of you. Even you are still being very polite.
Beginning your reponse with "Dear Arin" is already annoying in it's self. This is a forum post, not a recruitment letter. FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:17:00 -
[385] - Quote
The only reason I can see having WiS, is for the purpose of everyone seeing how sweet my rear end looks. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
105
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:20:00 -
[386] - Quote
Astor Daeoli wrote:Arin Fensfield wrote:No interest in getting involved in the inevitable arguments and insults, so all I'll say is I was very excited about the Incarna/Walking in Stations content, and I was extremely disappointed about the recent change of direction by the developers. I was more than happy to wait until the basic Incarna content was working properly before 'FiS' was focussed on again.
Anyway I said as much when I disabled my recurring subscription yesterday. Sure, I did so primarily for financial reasons, but the change in priorities is still basically the reason I decided to pay for FF XIV when subscriptions start in a month or two rather than letting my subscription to EVE renew come December.
I've dropped a 'Like' on the OP. See you lot when Incarna development's resumed - or, at least when I've money enough to play a game I'm no longer so excited for, again. Dear Arin, What WiS content were you very excited about? What did you want to do with your avatar in the station? How many other avatars did you want to be able to share an instance with? Did you want to be conected in real time to EVE while in the WiS instance?
Astor, if I may interject a couple of things at this point.
There have been a large number of "highly" original and interesting features that would fit nicely into an Incarna style of play... features that either would not work or would not be nearly as interesting if done with standard EVE drop down boxes. The best of those idea's also complimented FIS content. This thread is probably not the place for discussing them as it would derail the thread. Most likely a new thread should be started devoted entirely to that topic, although it would be difficult as it would be trolled incessantly. Still, maybe tonight if someone doesn't beat me to it...
As far a real time interaction with large numbers of Avatar's present, that is a valid and interesting point. When Incarna was first starting to be fleshed out the strong possibility was mentioned that it would run on seperate nodes or servers, apart from the FIS content in a given system. The point was that it would substancially reduce lag in a heavy traffic system like Jita, and make things more manageable overall. I have no idea if this was dropped completely as Incarna was reworked, or if it is in place and just not talked about again. I suspect the former.
However with the tech in place to share real time information between EVE and DUST (still in development I'm sure, but apparently quite doable) I think that the seperate nodes/servers idea has a great deal of merit. Especially if work finally bears usable fruit on dynamically allocating node/server resources depending on demand. I could easily see heavily populated rooms/establishments being on separate nodes, while dozens or hundreds of little used rooms in other star systems could share a node... until demand shifted them up the node food chain.
Speculation admittedly, but specualation that has a basis in Developer conmmentary.
This is most likely one of the largest hurdles that will need to be overcome to properly bring about a multiplayer Incarna like environment, and you did well to bring it up.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Jita Alt666
414
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:20:00 -
[387] - Quote
Aston Bradley wrote:Astor Daeoli wrote:Aston Bradley wrote:Astor Daeoli wrote:
Dear Arin,
What WiS content were you very excited about?
What did you want to do with your avatar in the station?
How many other avatars did you want to be able to share an instance with?
Did you want to be conected in real time to EVE while in the WiS instance?
Hey... chill, you don't have to be that agressive. He's just giving his opinion. ... and I'm just asking him what he was very excited about... Yes but your doing it in the most "get lost" way. I am not saying that you are bein rude, i am saying that you are cleary hammering people that don't share your point of you. Even you are still being very polite. Beginning your reponse with "Dear Arin" is already annoying in it's self. This is a forum post, not a recruitment letter.
One could argue you are doing the same.
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Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
181
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:25:00 -
[388] - Quote
I skipped reading the whole thread but here is my +1.
WiS, Incarna, would be a good addition to EVE and one I want to see realised. I have been waiting on CCP to deliver it since fanfest 2006.
I have found the past 18 months difficult as an EVE fan as I have felt aware that CCP have been building up towards their long term vision for a long time. While that was an exciting prospect I was painfully aware that core gameplay improvements to EVE were not getting short or even mid term attention because of it. I stuck it out and kept on waiting.
The summer expansion has been an unmitigated disaster and it was a disappointment to see so little delivered and seemingly nothing else coming (I even started to doubt that we were going to see the other racial CQ's at one point). It was not what I waited 5 years to see.
I truly believe that dedicating the winter release cycle to delivering core game play fixes is the right thing to do. I think that CCP was wrong to wait as long as it has for much of it but, that is in the past now. EVE needs attention now, and finally it seems to be getting some.
However.
I still want to see WiS delivered. I don't want it stuffed in some cupboard for another 2-5 years before anything is done. Fix the tech. Build the environments. Re-work the concepts you have been developing these past 5 years. You showed us the vision, the vision was good. It is execution that has been at fault to date, the concept I'm still very much in love with. http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/ |
Aston Bradley
Aliastra Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:26:00 -
[389] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote: One could argue you are doing the same.
Indeed i am. But not to someone who is only giving his opinion.
But let's get back to the topic shall we?
Me wantz WiS FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Arin Fensfield
NOVA Innovations Inc.
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:26:00 -
[390] - Quote
Astor Daeoli wrote:-Above-
Aston Bradley wrote:-Also above- Thanks for speaking up Aston, but I'm still about so I will answer.
Lessee..
What WiS content were you very excited about? Honestly, I'm not sure. I just liked the idea of being able to interact with people in avatar form, of the player run establishments and corporate offices and so forth. I'm sorry, I know that probably won't be an answer you think holds much water, but I was excited about the simple idea behind Incarna and that was that; it's what was keeping me interested enough in EVE Online to prioritise it over other games. Besides, it looks like a post above made a rather better reply than I did.. aand I also have a cold and it's fogging up my head something awful.
What did you want to do with your avatar in the station? I'll leave that to the bit above.
How many other avatars did you want to be able to share an instance with? Honestly, to begin with, I'd have settled for a maximum of four and was more expecting somewhere in the region of twenty. I'm not much one for debating the tech limitations of the concept, but wasn't fooling myself that there'd be massive events for a while. EVE's gone through big upgrades in what it can handle in the past, 'figured this would eventually expand and all.
Did you want to be connected in real time to EVE while in the WiS instance? Yes, but I remember reading some time ago that was always a 'down the line' thing, and it would initially operate on separate hardware and merely chuck numbers back and forth and such. Integrating it more completely with the space-borne parts of EVE at a later date seemed the sane option, to me.
Are you sure you want to play FF XIV? Very sure. I've a lot of friends there, I have a lot of fun with it, anything bothered me at launch is long since fixed and the recent v2.0 roadmap documents restored my faith in the game eventually becoming something special, even if they're not the same ideas I found exciting in the beginning.
Sorry, probably it isn't an answer anyone'll find awfully impressive. All I can say is it's my opinion and my reason for abandoning my EVE subscription for the time being.
Certainly I'm glad a lot of people are arguing that Incarna oughtn't be buried despite being glad of the work on Flying in Space, and formal assurance from CCP on that front would make me all the happier ('course CCP Phantom already said something to that effect in this thread, so, well, yay). Really I just hope my ceasing subscription for now and stating as much will add just a very little more weight to the 'don't just dump Walking in Stations' argument. |
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Neve Talie-Ko
EVE University Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:27:00 -
[391] - Quote
I'd like to reiterate something I posted last week in the Trial users forum.
I've tried this game three times and this is the first time I've pulled out the CC. The added layer of character metaphor having a person and a command center was what it took. I am not, however, firmly committed to any further WiS content. The core gameplay is what has always drawn me to Eve.
There is the question of the competitive market, though. |
Enik3
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
62
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:30:00 -
[392] - Quote
I suspect that most people would like WiS, but it would have to be something that was well developed. Not the ridiculous current incarnation that people were bored with after the first fifteen seconds.
I weep at the thought of the type of person that would choose further development in WiS over fixing the myriad problems with core gameplay though. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
58
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:30:00 -
[393] - Quote
Montevius Williams wrote:I think most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented.
I'll be happier with it when there is someplaces to go and somethings to do.. the way it is the things we're doing are the things we were already doing just in a more cumbersome way. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
372
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:34:00 -
[394] - Quote
Arin Fensfield wrote:No interest in getting involved in the inevitable arguments and insults, so all I'll say is I was very excited about the Incarna/Walking in Stations content, and I was extremely disappointed about the recent change of direction by the developers. I was more than happy to wait until the basic Incarna content was working properly before 'FiS' was focussed on again.
so.... youd rather they run CCP into the ground than try to fix things?
Yeah better if you do leave https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
yumike
Eve of Madness
53
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:36:00 -
[395] - Quote
Astor Daeoli wrote:I can't see EVE running at a playable FPS 40+ people instance with incarna's graphics while mainttaining a real time connection to theEVE's server?
Would a CCP dev like to comment about this? Am I right or can CCP do this?
I'm not entirely sure where your question is, if it is regarding the FPS then you may not understand (As many don't, and thats fine) the correlation between FPS and server.
The tl;dr version is, They are not at all equal. You could have a 10second ping/latency and still run at 60frames per second.
The longer version is, Server latency only describes game state updates (aka X person is moving to Z coordinates, but is currently at Y) and it leaves your client to render it. Your client is doing all the heavy lifting, This part in fact is no different then FiS. (X ship is moving to Z but is currently at Y) Your client intelligently handles everything else. Even for clothing on specific players walking around when someone walks into view you'll get a "game state update" X player is wearing YDHFJG(All the values for different appearances, that your client of course already has, and can render appropriately)
In short, Yes the server can handle it. To the server it's irrelevant whether they are stick people, or perfectly animated 3d people. (Granted, the latter will probably include quite a few more values.)
The issue isn't with CCP, it's with peoples computers. I honestly haven't played in cq at all, I shut it off the second I got in game but it's little different then rendering hundreds of ships slamming on a POS. If you have an older system your FPS will suffer, if not you should be good to go. |
Hershman
Creeper Collective
144
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:36:00 -
[396] - Quote
I agree that most people want support for WiS, but unfortunately the vocal minority will have the last word here. If ccp does the right thing and ignores the naysayers, we could feasibly get both FiS and WiS. You just need to moderate the amount of ingenuity dedicated in to station like features. My solution is like this: Hershman wrote:Come on ccp, our avatars aren't gettin any younger. Just do this please.
Make a simple living room. It doesn't even matter how simple, take if from The Sims for all we care. Then turn "The Door" into an entity so when we click it, we spawn in the room. *plop* You are in the room with a few other avatars.
That's it, done. Now you can put Incarna on the backburners. You've come too far to end it like this.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
372
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:39:00 -
[397] - Quote
Hershman wrote:I agree that most people want support for WiS, but unfortunately the vocal minority...
see, its this **** that pisses most everyone off. The most vocal minority here are all the players here on the forums.
The only opinion that matters is CCP's and CCP's is to shelve WiS https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Hershman
G-Weezy
15
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:41:00 -
[398] - Quote
No, it is indeed true that most casual players are not the forumgoers you see posting here every day. |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
21
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:41:00 -
[399] - Quote
Arin Fensfield wrote: Thanks for speaking up Aston, but I'm still about so I will answer.
NP,
but i will be honest with you, i am not agreeing on that let's wait for WiS to be finished before FiS part.
FiS needs some new content, but most importantly it needs some fixes.
CCP please fix my railguns
I am still a supporter of WiS though, but not to the point that i will prefer to get WiS before some stuff in FIS get's fixed. Winter expansion is a good step in that direction.
FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Hershman
G-Weezy
15
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:44:00 -
[400] - Quote
Here's my solution: link |
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EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:45:00 -
[401] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Aston Bradley wrote:
I don't think you are trolling, and believe or not. I strongly support your theory. Still, i believe WiS a worth working on. Even if takes an other 3 years (As long as FiS content keeps coming while it get's there.)
lol see above. Im not changing my tune either, I felt this way all along. Its just the ppl that are now crying cause they shelved WiS that are pissing me off. GUYS let CCP HEAL before they decide to take another stab at WiS. Another round of mass unsub cause they shelved WiS is gonna do nothing but get more people on the street without a job. Its a Black Spiral theyre Dancing here. Mass unsub they shelf WiS/WoD. More mass unsubs They now HAVE to do somethting along the lines of working on several projects like they said they couldnt do in the first place. Unfinished content/underwhelming expansions follow and more mass unsubs (mind you all this time CCP (and the accounts) is getting smaller). When does it end? I can tell you there would be a point where it definately ends and not to "doom and gloom" but if we use mass unsubs to be the catalyst of that change thats where its GONNA end up.
this. LET THEM HEAL OR WE **** IT ALL
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Hershman
G-Weezy
15
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:49:00 -
[402] - Quote
In reality its doable to have both WiS and FiS. You just need to moderate the amount of ingenuity dedicated to the station features and such and not bite off more than you can chew this time around. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
37
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:55:00 -
[403] - Quote
I think the majority dont care, however a significant minority does want it, and a small minority do not want it at all.
nearly everyone including the haters are going to enjoy it, if only casually while they're making a trip to jita for pvp supplies or just waiting in their outpost for the next fleet op.
It would also be a great way for ccp to experiment with MT like we know they want to, and it wouldn't have to effect internet spaceships in the process. if it makes them money, it makes eve's future that much more stable, and it would give them an avenue to abuse for that.
I dont see why people Hate on CCP's MT anyway check out TF2 and see how much people actually spend to get glowing hats for their characters ... thats just a simulator... but THIS IS REAL. for those of you who dont play tf2 thats 750$ USD on a bunch of ****** weapons and hats that everyone gets randomly anyways. All for the CHANCE of a HAT that GLOWS. This is why CCP wants in on MT, like every other videogame company. And its understandable, there are crazy ******* who blow thousands of dollars on this crap. Let them! and let it pad CCP's pockets and pay for less lag and more content.
Anyways, WiS is awesome and is IMO a step needed to continue to compete in the MMO industry, even within its own 'space mmo' genre which it used to be virtually alone in, is now seeing competition, and WiS is something that could keep it ontop.
WiS would also cater to the noobs who've had a bad experience in their spaceship, and would keep them around for another try.
It would entirely change the newbie experience. Instead of just throwing them into a new ship and booting them back out to do it again, they would end up returning to WiS where they could talk with an agent 'in person' and have him explain what happened and what to do next, etc. It would make eve's newbs much more likely to stick around, which is sadly one of the ways eve loses a lot of players. |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
21
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:57:00 -
[404] - Quote
Hershman wrote:In reality its doable to have both WiS and FiS. You just need to moderate the amount of ingenuity dedicated to the station features and such and not bite off more than you can chew this time around.
Before we get to that they need to pimp the carbon engine. It's very nice to look at for sure, but it's unstable as hell. We only have CQ and look at all the bugs we have. FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:00:00 -
[405] - Quote
Hershman wrote:In reality its doable to have both WiS and FiS. You just need to moderate the amount of ingenuity dedicated to the station features and such and not bite off more than you can chew this time around.
Unfortionately, CCP have shown us they dont have the ability to DO this.
And that was with MORE STAFF Now with less staff, Im thinking theyre even less likely to be able to do it Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Barakkus
963
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:00:00 -
[406] - Quote
Astor Daeoli wrote: You are correct, I do not know how TQ runs. I am not a developer; however, I have played a lot of MMORPGs that launched with high level graphics.
These game suffered from a lot of lag with smaller numbers of players per shard/shell than the average population of Jita.
The graphics used in CQ already overheat my GPU (nvidea GTX260) with just one avatar in the room.
In a few years time, say 2013 post Nvidea maxwell GPU (an expesive bit of kit when it comes out) we should get a gpu that can handle 40? to 125? incarna avatars with good fps. Maybe this would be the time for CCP to work on making "The Sims in Sapce"
The problems other mmos you may have played could have been server side, most likely it was client side problems, poor optimization in the graphics engine most likely. Low FPS is not a server problem, it's a problem with your hardware not being able to keep up.
All of the things you have mentioned are client side issues, nothing to do with overloading CCP's servers.
I had no heat issues with an ATI HD 2600 XT, and I don't have any heat issues running 2 clients on an ATI HD 6750.
There are a number of devblogs concerning the hardware used to run CQ, I highly recommend looking at them. It's really impressive.
Lag is not defined by FPS, lag is when you click on something and nothing happens, like activating a module and it takes 30 seconds before the action actually happens. Poor FPS is entirely client side, and if you are getting low FPS you should be looking first at your GPU, then your CPU and other things. |
Hershman
G-Weezy
17
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:00:00 -
[407] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote: Anyways, WiS is awesome and is IMO a step needed to continue to compete in the MMO industry, even within its own 'space mmo' genre which it used to be virtually alone in, is now seeing competition, and WiS is something that could keep it ontop.
WiS would also cater to the noobs who've had a bad experience in their spaceship, and would keep them around for another try.
This is one of the things that makes wis good stuff. It increases accessibility to the game we all know and love. More players = more Eve.
Why can't we have both WiS and rebalancing? I mean is it really that hard to change a few numbers like this:
# Dramiel # cpuOutput: 145.0 => 133.0 # mass: 740700.0 => 950000.0 # maxVelocity: 473.0 => 460.0 # powerOutput: 38.0 => 37.0 # [*] scanResolution: 990.0 => 750.0 |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
107
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 20:02:00 -
[408] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote: nearly everyone including the haters are going to enjoy it, if only casually while they're making a trip to jita for pvp supplies or just waiting in their outpost for the next fleet op.
Uh no... I turned it off and have no intention of using it at all. Unless they do like they were going to do and force it on us by removing the "opt out" button.
Cause you cant see ppls' $1000 pants if you can choose not to load the station environment Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
4
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:03:00 -
[409] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Hershman wrote:I agree that most people want support for WiS, but unfortunately the vocal minority... see, its this **** that pisses most everyone off. The most vocal minority here are all the players here on the forums. The only opinion that matters is CCP's and CCP's is to shelve WiS
Only problem with that is - CCP stated they were doing what they were doing because of the opinion of the vocal minority that didn't want WiS. Now we have basically a WiS war, and I am to the point where I am going to be one of those people that unsub probably when TOR comes out because I am bored with FiS. (I have done just about everything 0.0 alliance, low sec, and most everything that Highsec can offer and going backwards instead of forwards is not my idea of making the game better)
I might come back if CCP ever gets its act together and stops screwing with me. Promise me something, make me wait 4 years then shelve it because they screwed up and decided to get greedy. (See NEX and WoD)
No you can't have my stuff you greedy whiny beggers. I would rather burn it all than give it to you. |
Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
30
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:03:00 -
[410] - Quote
I'd love to have WiS, but I don't see why it's so hard to implement. Dumb down the graphics a bit for interaction so you don't blow up people's GPUs and voila! Establishments, entertainment, games, station missions, etc. would all be a welcome addition, I think, and I don't see why we have to choose between WiS and FiS. Start WiS out slowly with gameplay over graphics and just build from there. Eve's graphics weren't always as nice as they are now...they've been updated over time.
As long as it doesn't look like Tennis on the Atari 2600, I don't see why it has to be shelved. |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:05:00 -
[411] - Quote
Mekela wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Hershman wrote:I agree that most people want support for WiS, but unfortunately the vocal minority... see, its this **** that pisses most everyone off. The most vocal minority here are all the players here on the forums. The only opinion that matters is CCP's and CCP's is to shelve WiS Only problem with that is - CCP stated they were doing what they were doing because of the opinion of the vocal minority that didn't want WiS. Now we have basically a WiS war, and I am to the point where I am going to be one of those people that unsub probably when TOR comes out because I am bored with FiS. (I have done just about everything 0.0 alliance, low sec, and most everything that Highsec can offer and going backwards instead of forwards is not my idea of making the game better) I might come back if CCP ever gets its act together and stops screwing with me. Promise me something, make me wait 4 years then shelve it because they screwed up and decided to get greedy. (See NEX and WoD) No you can't have my stuff you greedy whiny beggers. I would rather burn it all than give it to you.
And it will be people like you that damage the game farther. Good job. WiS NAOW OR ILL LEEEEEEVE WAAAAAAAH
God you sound two
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:05:00 -
[412] - Quote
Astenion wrote:I'd love to have WiS, but I don't see why it's so hard to implement. Dumb down the graphics a bit for interaction so you don't blow up people's GPUs and voila! Establishments, entertainment, games, station missions, etc. would all be a welcome addition, I think, and I don't see why we have to choose between WiS and FiS. Start WiS out slowly with gameplay over graphics and just build from there. Eve's graphics weren't always as nice as they are now...they've been updated over time.
As long as it doesn't look like Tennis on the Atari 2600, I don't see why it has to be shelved.
+10000 |
Hershman
G-Weezy
17
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:06:00 -
[413] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Hershman wrote:In reality its doable to have both WiS and FiS. You just need to moderate the amount of ingenuity dedicated to the station features and such and not bite off more than you can chew this time around. Unfortionately, CCP have shown us they dont have the ability to DO this. And that was with MORE STAFF Now with less staff, Im thinking theyre even less likely to be able to do it
I believe CCP can do it if they try to lay the foundation for WiS: Get some small rooms with very basic interaction with other players... doing this but not trying to implement night clubs at the same time!
I think since they said in the blog that more people are actually working on eve now because they are moved from that vampire mmo thing... |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:06:00 -
[414] - Quote
Hershman wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote: Anyways, WiS is awesome and is IMO a step needed to continue to compete in the MMO industry, even within its own 'space mmo' genre which it used to be virtually alone in, is now seeing competition, and WiS is something that could keep it ontop.
WiS would also cater to the noobs who've had a bad experience in their spaceship, and would keep them around for another try.
This is one of the things that makes wis good stuff. It increases accessibility. Why can't we have both WiS and rebalancing? I mean is it really that hard to change a few numbers like this: # Dramiel # cpuOutput: 145.0 => 133.0 # mass: 740700.0 => 950000.0 # maxVelocity: 473.0 => 460.0 # powerOutput: 38.0 => 37.0 # scanResolution: 990.0 => 750.0 +10000
i see some smart ppl here for a change...
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
37
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:07:00 -
[415] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote: nearly everyone including the haters are going to enjoy it, if only casually while they're making a trip to jita for pvp supplies or just waiting in their outpost for the next fleet op.
Uh no... I turned it off and have no intention of using it at all. Unless they do like they were going to do and force it on us by removing the "opt out" button. Cause you cant see ppls' $1000 pants if you can choose not to load the station environment
You're just afraid of change lol. You should have the option to never use WiS and you can ignore it completely, but the vast majority of players will find it amusing, even if only casually. It will introduce new content. MORE DIVERSE CONTENT, which will attract other groups of players who're interested in other things. And introduce them to your guns. I dont see the problem?
You will just be locking yourself out of something because you're twisted up about them not fixing railguns for so long, or whatever your complaint is
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Barakkus
1520
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:12:00 -
[416] - Quote
Astenion wrote:I'd love to have WiS, but I don't see why it's so hard to implement. Dumb down the graphics a bit for interaction so you don't blow up people's GPUs and voila! Establishments, entertainment, games, station missions, etc. would all be a welcome addition, I think, and I don't see why we have to choose between WiS and FiS. Start WiS out slowly with gameplay over graphics and just build from there. Eve's graphics weren't always as nice as they are now...they've been updated over time.
As long as it doesn't look like Tennis on the Atari 2600, I don't see why it has to be shelved.
There are lots of tricks many, if not all MMOs use to make the game playable client side when you have a lot of people visible in one area, I don't doubt they will utilize many of those tricks to make it playable. It wouldn't make sense to make everything rendered full quality if the objects aren't even close enough to be viewed in high quality rendering. Most MMOs (if not all) use a technique of rendering a set limit of avatars in high quality that are viewable and close enough to the camera, then switch everything else to low detail textures/shaders etc.
CCP needs to fix the damn shaders for carbon though. They've actually released some fixes for a lot of the shader problems since CQ was released, but there's a lot more optimizations that need to be done to make it playable on a larger scale. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
890
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:13:00 -
[417] - Quote
Hershman wrote:No, it is indeed true that most casual players are not the forumgoers you see posting here every day.
casual players... or just players dont want to argue about things, they want to play... and thats why you dont see "just players" on forums too much... and on forums are ppl that like game so much or want to change things their way... or think that this is game that belongs only to them and attack ppl with "get out"...
p.s. i want WiS |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
22
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:14:00 -
[418] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Mekela wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Hershman wrote:I agree that most people want support for WiS, but unfortunately the vocal minority... see, its this **** that pisses most everyone off. The most vocal minority here are all the players here on the forums. The only opinion that matters is CCP's and CCP's is to shelve WiS Only problem with that is - CCP stated they were doing what they were doing because of the opinion of the vocal minority that didn't want WiS. Now we have basically a WiS war, and I am to the point where I am going to be one of those people that unsub probably when TOR comes out because I am bored with FiS. (I have done just about everything 0.0 alliance, low sec, and most everything that Highsec can offer and going backwards instead of forwards is not my idea of making the game better) I might come back if CCP ever gets its act together and stops screwing with me. Promise me something, make me wait 4 years then shelve it because they screwed up and decided to get greedy. (See NEX and WoD) No you can't have my stuff you greedy whiny beggers. I would rather burn it all than give it to you. And it will be people like you that damage the game farther. Good job. WiS NAOW OR ILL LEEEEEEVE WAAAAAAAH God you sound two
Calm down,
i think CCP got the message that FIS needs to be the priority. I think most of us here agree on that decision, and some are just asking that HiS is not totally forgotten. As for your remark about staff. Once Dust is launched they'll have more than the man power they need to keep improving it while keeping FiS the top concern. FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again! |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
5
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 20:14:00 -
[419] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
And it will be people like you that damage the game farther. Good job. WiS NAOW OR ILL LEEEEEEVE WAAAAAAAH
God you sound two
Huh I can't state my opinion, and I never said WiS now or I'll leave I said I am pissed because they promised me something I waited 4 years and they told me - we aren't going to do it now. I also said I most likely will wait till december and if they can't get their act together then I might leave. I plan on voting my displeasure with my wallet sence they ignore me till that happens (Isn't this the whole reason we are having this debate CCP screwed up and people left. Well I am giving them fair warning I am not liking the way they have decided to fix things)
The last bastion of people who can't form an arguement is to start calling them names and making personal attacks. |
Barakkus
964
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:17:00 -
[420] - Quote
Btw, CCP since you're watching this, if you want Incarna to be successful, release more than 1 room and make it align with the video demonstrations you release. Showing those then getting something completely different and on a much smaller scale than what you get everyone hyped up about is what is killing you.
When you show the public something, you need to align your release with those expectations. Incarna as it is now was just too small scale for anyone to really get into it. In addition, forcing people to mess with avatars, when it didn't really make logical sense for them to be getting out of their ships was the other mistake.
I think they'll do a good job if they try to not rush it. Granted it's been in development for over 5 years now (probably closer to 7 or 8). Really don't rush it out next time, and start small, but don't make us jailed in a little room with no one to share the experience with. That's what an MMO is all about, shared experience, not sitting in a closet playing with your self /giggle. |
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Hershman
G-Weezy
20
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:19:00 -
[421] - Quote
Yeah, I mean it's silly this whole up in arms, kill ccp, my life is over micro transaction bullshit... its just a game, if people want to buy some clothes and walk their avatar in the station then let them do it. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:20:00 -
[422] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote: nearly everyone including the haters are going to enjoy it, if only casually while they're making a trip to jita for pvp supplies or just waiting in their outpost for the next fleet op.
Uh no... I turned it off and have no intention of using it at all. Unless they do like they were going to do and force it on us by removing the "opt out" button. Cause you cant see ppls' $1000 pants if you can choose not to load the station environment You're just afraid of change lol. You should have the option to never use WiS and you can ignore it completely, but the vast majority of players will find it amusing, even if only casually. It will introduce new content. MORE DIVERSE CONTENT, which will attract other groups of players who're interested in other things. And introduce them to your guns. I dont see the problem? You will just be locking yourself out of something because you're twisted up about them not fixing railguns for so long, or whatever your complaint is I agree spaceships need lots of love too, but WiS is a great feature. Just like i dont play incursions at all, im glad CCP is keeping the carebears fed so when i get hungry i have something to eat
I agree with the "should" part but given there was a dev blog (or an interview I dont remember) saying they were going to remove the option not to load the station environment..... lol afraid of change... ppl that are afraid of change should never play MMOs they ALWAYS change. What Im "afraid" of is killing CCP to appease ppl that want a mini game.
Aston Bradley wrote:
Calm down,
i think CCP got the message that FIS needs to be the priority. I think most of us here agree on that decision, and some are just asking that HiS is not totally forgotten. As for your remark about staff. Once Dust is launched they'll have more than the man power they need to keep improving it while keeping FiS the top concern.
Im calm, its the "Im leaving cause I didnt get what I want" types that **** me off cause theyre only interested in getting what they want and they dont mind further damaging the game (or CCP) to get it Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Astor Daeoli
Eye of God
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:23:00 -
[423] - Quote
Thanks for answering, and I wish you a speedy recovery.
Arin Fensfield wrote:Astor Daeoli wrote:-Above- Aston Bradley wrote:-Also above- What WiS content were you very excited about? Honestly, I'm not sure. I just liked the idea of being able to interact with people in avatar form, of the player run establishments and corporate offices and so forth. I'm sorry, I know that probably won't be an answer you think holds much water, but I was excited about the simple idea behind Incarna and that was that; it's what was keeping me interested enough in EVE Online to prioritise it over other games. Besides, it looks like a post above made a rather better reply than I did.. aand I also have a cold and it's fogging up my head something awful. What did you want to do with your avatar in the station?I'll leave that to the bit above. How many other avatars did you want to be able to share an instance with?Honestly, to begin with, I'd have settled for a maximum of four and was more expecting somewhere in the region of twenty. I'm not much one for debating the tech limitations of the concept, but wasn't fooling myself that there'd be massive events for a while. EVE's gone through big upgrades in what it can handle in the past, 'figured this would eventually expand and all. I don't think it would be too hard for CCP to give you what you listed above. Four avatars that can just hang out in the same CQ etc and be able to do simple emotes (wave and dance etc) should not be too hard in terms of content. Personaly ,I am not too excited about that level of content, but if you, and many who share your view whould be satisfied with that, then I think CCP could well be able to grant your wish Did you want to be connected in real time to EVE while in the WiS instance? Yes, but I remember reading some time ago that was always a 'down the line' thing, and it would initially operate on separate hardware and merely chuck numbers back and forth and such. Integrating it more completely with the space-borne parts of EVE at a later date seemed the sane option, to me. I think if you're happy with four avatars per CG then connecting in real time to EVE should be posible. Are you sure you want to play FF XIV?Very sure. I've a lot of friends there, I have a lot of fun with it, anything bothered me at launch is long since fixed and the recent v2.0 roadmap documents restored my faith in the game eventually becoming something special, even if they're not the same ideas I found exciting in the beginning. Good to know they are improving FFIV. I think i'll give it a miss. I'm looking forward to Sykrim and Guild Wars 2. Sorry, probably it isn't an answer anyone'll find awfully impressive. All I can say is it's my opinion and my reason for abandoning my EVE subscription for the time being. Certainly I'm glad a lot of people are arguing that Incarna oughtn't be buried despite being glad of the work on Flying in Space, and formal assurance from CCP on that front would make me all the happier ('course CCP Phantom already said something to that effect in this thread, so, well, yay). Really I just hope my ceasing subscription for now and stating as much will add just a very little more wait to the 'don't forget about it' argument.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:25:00 -
[424] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote: nearly everyone including the haters are going to enjoy it, if only casually while they're making a trip to jita for pvp supplies or just waiting in their outpost for the next fleet op.
Uh no... I turned it off and have no intention of using it at all. Unless they do like they were going to do and force it on us by removing the "opt out" button. Cause you cant see ppls' $1000 pants if you can choose not to load the station environment You're just afraid of change lol. You should have the option to never use WiS and you can ignore it completely, but the vast majority of players will find it amusing, even if only casually. It will introduce new content. MORE DIVERSE CONTENT, which will attract other groups of players who're interested in other things. And introduce them to your guns. I dont see the problem? You will just be locking yourself out of something because you're twisted up about them not fixing railguns for so long, or whatever your complaint is I agree spaceships need lots of love too, but WiS is a great feature. Just like i dont play incursions at all, im glad CCP is keeping the carebears fed so when i get hungry i have something to eat I agree with the "should" part but given there was a dev blog (or an interview I dont remember) saying they were going to remove the option not to load the station environment..... lol afraid of change... ppl that are afraid of change should never play MMOs they ALWAYS change. What Im "afraid" of is killing CCP to appease ppl that want a mini game. Aston Bradley wrote:
Calm down,
i think CCP got the message that FIS needs to be the priority. I think most of us here agree on that decision, and some are just asking that HiS is not totally forgotten. As for your remark about staff. Once Dust is launched they'll have more than the man power they need to keep improving it while keeping FiS the top concern.
Im calm, its the "Im leaving cause I didnt get what I want" types that **** me off cause theyre only interested in getting what they want and they dont mind further damaging the game (or CCP) to get it
I'm pretty sure they have given up on making CQ mandatory. That whole line of thinking blew up in their face. Hence we now have the button to switch back and forth at will on the main UI screen, instead of only the on/off button buried in the escape menu. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:26:00 -
[425] - Quote
Hershman wrote:Yeah, I mean it's silly this whole up in arms, kill ccp, my life is over micro transaction bullshit... its just a game, if people want to buy some clothes and walk their avatar in the station then let them do it.
It wasnt the "I dont want them to buy clothes" argument that ppl had an issue with in the MT thing. If you are unaware, you should find the "fearless" newsletter and read it.
Selling T3 stuff and gold ammo is what had people up in arms about NeX. Not the clothes (well other than the part where they spend money on NY fasion designers to design the clothes).
It was the slippery slope MT item malls create in MMOs and in a game like this, pay to win stuff could do real damage. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
107
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:34:00 -
[426] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Hershman wrote:Yeah, I mean it's silly this whole up in arms, kill ccp, my life is over micro transaction bullshit... its just a game, if people want to buy some clothes and walk their avatar in the station then let them do it. It wasnt the "I dont want them to buy clothes" argument that ppl had an issue with in the MT thing. If you are unaware, you should find the "fearless" newsletter and read it. Selling T3 stuff and gold ammo is what had people up in arms about NeX. Not the clothes (well other than the part where they spend money on NY fasion designers to design the clothes). It was the slippery slope MT item malls create in MMOs and in a game like this, pay to win stuff could do real damage.
At the risk of sounding stuffy (I know, too late), pay to win actually means the selling of in game advantages (that you can not get through other means) for real $$$.
This goes against the core design of the NeX.
Most people spent ISK to get their AURUM to spend, not cash.
And even if that weren't possible (which would be completely changing how the NeX works) there would still be the fact that the items can be freely sold for ISK on the player driven market.
No, I think the deeper problem was the fear that content would be developed for the NeX market that "should" have been instead part of our normal "free" expansions. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Ghoest
4
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:37:00 -
[427] - Quote
The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.
Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:38:00 -
[428] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Hershman wrote:Yeah, I mean it's silly this whole up in arms, kill ccp, my life is over micro transaction bullshit... its just a game, if people want to buy some clothes and walk their avatar in the station then let them do it. It wasnt the "I dont want them to buy clothes" argument that ppl had an issue with in the MT thing. If you are unaware, you should find the "fearless" newsletter and read it. Selling T3 stuff and gold ammo is what had people up in arms about NeX. Not the clothes (well other than the part where they spend money on NY fasion designers to design the clothes). It was the slippery slope MT item malls create in MMOs and in a game like this, pay to win stuff could do real damage. At the risk of sounding stuffy (I know, too late), pay to win actually means the selling of in game advantages (that you can not get through other means) for real $$$. This goes against the core design of the NeX. Most people spent ISK to get their AURUM to spend, not cash. And even if that weren't possible (which would be completely changing how the NeX works) there would still be the fact that the items can be freely sold for ISK on the player driven market. No, I think the deeper problem was the fear that content would be developed for the NeX market that "should" have been instead part of our normal "free" expansions.
See, MY fear of the NeX thing comes from watching Star Trek Online implode through it's "cash shop" all the while with the devs on the forums telling us how theyll never put in game affecting stuff in it. They have skill point boosters there now you know... they make it so you can get skill points faster. That wouldnt be damaging at all in this game
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
T-Jay Charante
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:48:00 -
[429] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Hershman wrote:Yeah, I mean it's silly this whole up in arms, kill ccp, my life is over micro transaction bullshit... its just a game, if people want to buy some clothes and walk their avatar in the station then let them do it. It wasnt the "I dont want them to buy clothes" argument that ppl had an issue with in the MT thing. If you are unaware, you should find the "fearless" newsletter and read it. Selling T3 stuff and gold ammo is what had people up in arms about NeX. Not the clothes (well other than the part where they spend money on NY fasion designers to design the clothes). It was the slippery slope MT item malls create in MMOs and in a game like this, pay to win stuff could do real damage. At the risk of sounding stuffy (I know, too late), pay to win actually means the selling of in game advantages (that you can not get through other means) for real $$$. This goes against the core design of the NeX. Most people spent ISK to get their AURUM to spend, not cash. And even if that weren't possible (which would be completely changing how the NeX works) there would still be the fact that the items can be freely sold for ISK on the player driven market. No, I think the deeper problem was the fear that content would be developed for the NeX market that "should" have been instead part of our normal "free" expansions. See, MY fear of the NeX thing comes from watching Star Trek Online implode through it's "cash shop" all the while with the devs on the forums telling us how theyll never put in game affecting stuff in it. They have skill point boosters there now you know... they make it so you can get skill points faster. That wouldnt be damaging at all in this game
They have Cerebral Accelerators in STO now?
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:50:00 -
[430] - Quote
T-Jay Charante wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Hershman wrote:Yeah, I mean it's silly this whole up in arms, kill ccp, my life is over micro transaction bullshit... its just a game, if people want to buy some clothes and walk their avatar in the station then let them do it. It wasnt the "I dont want them to buy clothes" argument that ppl had an issue with in the MT thing. If you are unaware, you should find the "fearless" newsletter and read it. Selling T3 stuff and gold ammo is what had people up in arms about NeX. Not the clothes (well other than the part where they spend money on NY fasion designers to design the clothes). It was the slippery slope MT item malls create in MMOs and in a game like this, pay to win stuff could do real damage. At the risk of sounding stuffy (I know, too late), pay to win actually means the selling of in game advantages (that you can not get through other means) for real $$$. This goes against the core design of the NeX. Most people spent ISK to get their AURUM to spend, not cash. And even if that weren't possible (which would be completely changing how the NeX works) there would still be the fact that the items can be freely sold for ISK on the player driven market. No, I think the deeper problem was the fear that content would be developed for the NeX market that "should" have been instead part of our normal "free" expansions. See, MY fear of the NeX thing comes from watching Star Trek Online implode through it's "cash shop" all the while with the devs on the forums telling us how theyll never put in game affecting stuff in it. They have skill point boosters there now you know... they make it so you can get skill points faster. That wouldnt be damaging at all in this game They have Cerebral Accelerators in STO now?
I wasnt aware they put those in the NeX store?
How much arum are they? Cause last I heard, to get that one item you had to buy a new account or something. Not Arum for the NeX store. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
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T-Jay Charante
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:56:00 -
[431] - Quote
See, MY fear of the NeX thing comes from watching Star Trek Online implode through it's "cash shop" all the while with the devs on the forums telling us how theyll never put in game affecting stuff in it. They have skill point boosters there now you know... they make it so you can get skill points faster. That wouldnt be damaging at all in this game [/quote]
They have Cerebral Accelerators in STO now? [/quote]
I wasnt aware they put those in the NeX store?
How much arum are they? Cause last I heard, to get that one item you had to buy a new account or something. Not Arum for the NeX store.[/quote]
Ahh, so you only mean the Nex store, the ability to buy them in game already is fine though?
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Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:15:00 -
[432] - Quote
The main problem was that CCP started to rush out stuff and totally forgetting about the broken stuff. Implementing features which are TOTALLY useless, and ignorin stuff that breaks the game.
The outrage came from the following factors: 1. CCP ignorance 2. CCP lies 3. Fear of pay2win 4. usless features (wasted time) 5. broken features (usless)
We have got every of thoose point already once, the only difference was that they've came one by one, but now they all came at once and this was just ooo much to take.
BTW: you do realize, tat this thread has got 17 pages of discussions about WiS, so basically noone cares about walking in stations. even the trolls are staying away. ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
123
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:16:00 -
[433] - Quote
Ghoest wrote: The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.
Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it.
And yet the thread that is in support of the FiS only focus has something like 9 posts and 12 likes and this one is still active, 15 pages and has nearly 500 likes.
You must have some other sort of sampling method for lack of support for WiS because honestly, I am seeing even more support than I could have hoped for in these forums.
Issler |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:17:00 -
[434] - Quote
T-Jay Charante wrote:
See, MY fear of the NeX thing comes from watching Star Trek Online implode through it's "cash shop" all the while with the devs on the forums telling us how theyll never put in game affecting stuff in it. They have skill point boosters there now you know... they make it so you can get skill points faster. That wouldnt be damaging at all in this game
They have Cerebral Accelerators in STO now? [/quote]
I wasnt aware they put those in the NeX store?
How much arum are they? Cause last I heard, to get that one item you had to buy a new account or something. Not Arum for the NeX store.[/quote]
Ahh, so you only mean the Nex store, the ability to buy them in game already is fine though? [/quote]
Huh you have a point... EVE is already broken. **** let the floodgates go an all the MT into the game now, theres nothing stopping it.
Though I do have to ask;
Quote:The only drawback to this implant is that capsuleer training renders it ineffective after a while; as such, it will cease to function for pilots who have been registered for more than 35 days.
doesnt that mean it doesnt work for pilots older that 35 days tho?
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
14
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:17:00 -
[435] - Quote
Incredible, I have managed to read, using job time, so no expense to me, through the last 15 pages of this inane rambling of a moot point.
Yes, some of you want wis other dont. Yes, thats pretty obvious, lots of people in Africa want to eat and have access to clean water, others want their CC debts erased, the IRS never looking at their tax forms, winning the lottery, a Revelation from God, the hard to get EUREKA moment, a new car and on and on ... going back in time to the point a single man, according to legend, myth or religious truth, was so deep in thought he managed to make a Lotus flower boom .
We all want so many things, so many and yet in a world of limited resources and a company trying to railroad itself into economic success, the fact they are focusing on the true aspect of the Flying ships core value product, you all want to ramble inanenly gazing at your navels and asking FOR THIS or THAT.
It's a Moot point, WIS will eventually return, hopefully in a more polished form, but asking this or that to a company shaken by economical woes will probably make the ship sink faster. (Seeing the barebones hint of perhaps releasing it with dancing emotes is cause for me to faint as I try to grab my rap+¬ box, trying to smell something diff
Someone said LET IT HEAL, let CCP focus and regrow and stay on a more steady course.
All your I WANT, I DONT WANT, I WANT NAO I DONT WANT BARBIE screams only fuel the bigger inexorable despair train wreck caused by CCP in the first place. If we are to have a successful game, we need CCP to stabilize so they can continue to grow back the lost organs they themselves lost during the Cancer than was the Incarna Release with all the metastatic outgrowths like Monoclegate and the Fearless release.
Though I will never fail to point out this was their own doing (and scorn ruefully every time I remember the fact), it is a time to wait. Chemotherapy has begun on CCP, and this , is just what many medical doctors in the field now as recurrence.
Yes, your next wave of plights and endless bickering are causing a recurrence of the Cancer. You are further dividing what has already been sundered and my only job on this matter is to point it out for my own personal records hoping for it never to see the light of day.
So much want, no real need, the flies beginning to circle the moribund twitching appendage , kinda poetic.
I'm still hoping, but alas, only time will tell the outcome.
A Sad Day Indeed ... |
Barakkus
964
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:23:00 -
[436] - Quote
Brujo Loco wrote:Incredible, I have managed to read, using job time, so no expense to me, through the last 15 pages of this inane rambling of a moot point.
Yes, some of you want wis other dont. Yes, thats pretty obvious, lots of people in Africa want to eat and have access to clean water, others want their CC debts erased, the IRS never looking at their tax forms, winning the lottery, a Revelation from God, the hard to get EUREKA moment, a new car and on and on ... going back in time to the point a single man, according to legend, myth or religious truth, was so deep in thought he managed to make a Lotus flower boom .
We all want so many things, so many and yet in a world of limited resources and a company trying to railroad itself into economic success, the fact they are focusing on the true aspect of the Flying ships core value product, you all want to ramble inanenly gazing at your navels and asking FOR THIS or THAT.
It's a Moot point, WIS will eventually return, hopefully in a more polished form, but asking this or that to a company shaken by economical woes will probably make the ship sink faster. (Seeing the barebones hint of perhaps releasing it with dancing emotes is cause for me to faint as I try to grab my rap+¬ box, trying to smell something diff
Someone said LET IT HEAL, let CCP focus and regrow and stay on a more steady course.
All your I WANT, I DONT WANT, I WANT NAO I DONT WANT BARBIE screams only fuel the bigger inexorable despair train wreck caused by CCP in the first place. If we are to have a successful game, we need CCP to stabilize so they can continue to grow back the lost organs they themselves lost during the Cancer than was the Incarna Release with all the metastatic outgrowths like Monoclegate and the Fearless release.
Though I will never fail to point out this was their own doing (and scorn ruefully every time I remember the fact), it is a time to wait. Chemotherapy has begun on CCP, and this , is just what many medical doctors in the field now as recurrence.
Yes, your next wave of plights and endless bickering are causing a recurrence of the Cancer. You are further dividing what has already been sundered and my only job on this matter is to point it out for my own personal records hoping for it never to see the light of day.
So much want, no real need, the flies beginning to circle the moribund twitching appendage , kinda poetic.
I'm still hoping, but alas, only time will tell the outcome.
A Sad Day Indeed ...
Yeah, I think all this mess is going to make certain people's heads over at CCP explode eventually...I can just imagine them running around with their heads on fire screaming "WHAT THE **** DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?!?!?!?! GODDAMNIT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!"
Btw, kudos on using "moot point" correctly. I think you're one of 5 people on these forums that understands it's "moot" not "mute". |
Space Hogger
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:33:00 -
[437] - Quote
Forget WiS or even FiS. Talk about core gameplay, update the f-ing font already. I'd like to not have to squint if I use a monitor larger than 17". Seriously, how does something like CQ take precedence over being able to read the text in your game? Incarna was marketed to all these new (and returning) players as a revolutionary change to the game. Everything sounds awesome until you log in an realize you are trapped in a small room with the rest of the game unchanged. Still forced to squint at a small, hard to read font, all wrapped in an outdated UI. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
16
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:35:00 -
[438] - Quote
Jokerface666 wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Ghoest wrote: The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.
Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it. And yet the thread that is in support of the FiS only focus has something like 9 posts and 12 likes and this one is still active, 15 pages and has nearly 500 likes. You must have some other sort of sampling method for lack of support for WiS because honestly, I am seeing even more support than I could have hoped for in these forums. Issler and you realize that the threadnought had like 150 pages.. complaining about this useless feature until everything else is fixed?? are you really that ignorant or just dumb? noone has said remove WiS, we just want to get everything else fixed BEFORE eyecandy. BECOUSE: usefull features already in game > probably usefull features in game SOON
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WHY CANT ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS????? IS THEIR MONOCLE BLIND EYE BLINDING THEM COMPLETELY?
THIIIISSSSSS
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Scroll up a bit, what he said!!!! This is a thread of people POINTING OUT THAT FOR THE LOVE OF THE AMARRIAN GOD BEATING MINMATAR CHILDREN IN THEIR CRIBS, LET THIS %@!#$^#$^#$^ go, who cares if you have a sekrit transexual desire of transvestism and want to clothe your useless avatar. If EVE got your sub out of this dream, please , if you don't have the decency to LEAVE , then at least have the intelligence to NOTICE that right now its ... Moot, void, pointless ...
Now, if OP did this for trolling though, considering it now, /hatoff to you sir. Nice trollage.
I fell for it completely, I can respect that. I can live safer and feel fuzzy inside knowing it was trollage out of the last bridge from the deepest pit of The Far Realm. Considering it was something else, only makes me want to put my fists in my eyesockets bursting them in gore, and do the Mickey dance. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:39:00 -
[439] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Brujo Loco wrote:Incredible, I have managed to read, using job time, so no expense to me, through the last 15 pages of this inane rambling of a moot point.
Yes, some of you want wis other dont. Yes, thats pretty obvious, lots of people in Africa want to eat and have access to clean water, others want their CC debts erased, the IRS never looking at their tax forms, winning the lottery, a Revelation from God, the hard to get EUREKA moment, a new car and on and on ... going back in time to the point a single man, according to legend, myth or religious truth, was so deep in thought he managed to make a Lotus flower boom .
We all want so many things, so many and yet in a world of limited resources and a company trying to railroad itself into economic success, the fact they are focusing on the true aspect of the Flying ships core value product, you all want to ramble inanenly gazing at your navels and asking FOR THIS or THAT.
It's a Moot point, WIS will eventually return, hopefully in a more polished form, but asking this or that to a company shaken by economical woes will probably make the ship sink faster. (Seeing the barebones hint of perhaps releasing it with dancing emotes is cause for me to faint as I try to grab my rap+¬ box, trying to smell something diff
Someone said LET IT HEAL, let CCP focus and regrow and stay on a more steady course.
All your I WANT, I DONT WANT, I WANT NAO I DONT WANT BARBIE screams only fuel the bigger inexorable despair train wreck caused by CCP in the first place. If we are to have a successful game, we need CCP to stabilize so they can continue to grow back the lost organs they themselves lost during the Cancer than was the Incarna Release with all the metastatic outgrowths like Monoclegate and the Fearless release.
Though I will never fail to point out this was their own doing (and scorn ruefully every time I remember the fact), it is a time to wait. Chemotherapy has begun on CCP, and this , is just what many medical doctors in the field now as recurrence.
Yes, your next wave of plights and endless bickering are causing a recurrence of the Cancer. You are further dividing what has already been sundered and my only job on this matter is to point it out for my own personal records hoping for it never to see the light of day.
So much want, no real need, the flies beginning to circle the moribund twitching appendage , kinda poetic.
I'm still hoping, but alas, only time will tell the outcome.
A Sad Day Indeed ... Yeah, I think all this mess is going to make certain people's heads over at CCP explode eventually...I can just imagine them running around with their heads on fire screaming "WHAT THE **** DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?!?!?!?! GODDAMNIT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!" Btw, kudos on using "moot point" correctly. I think you're one of 5 people on these forums that understands it's "moot" not "mute".
well thats what I was talking about as far as them dancing the Black Spiral
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
129
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:39:00 -
[440] - Quote
So CCP I hope you are paying attention!
When I started this thread it was to make it clear a lot of us want some form of WiS. Something on the other side of the door. We aren't asking for work on FiS to stop, but that some amount of resource stay working on the other side of the door and that WiS stays part of your plans in the near future.
While someone just claimed that this thread isn't worthy of attention because it isn't 150 pages of trolls and personal insults this has remained one of the most active threads for the last two days and has recieved an impressive number of "likes". I would say by "new forum" standard this thread has received a lot of attention and support. Another thread started shortly after this one supporting the oppositve view has been virtually ignored.
So I think the pilots of Eve are proving my point. We want some more WiS to be worked on with FiS remaing the major focus in Eve. I also think we've made it clear that we don't care if it is the "prettiest" avatar experience and using the proven technology of the Unreal engine would be just fine. Also please remove the dependency on the WoD work from Eve WiS. Eve is here today! We are here today, and for now our credit cards are here today keeping your lights on and your coolers stocked with unusual Icelandic soft drinks. So give US our WiS and when you've sorted that out get back to your teen girl vamp heart throb MMO.
We also have offered a full range of suggestions as to what we want out of WiS so your claim that you can't move forward and have to put WiS on "ice" because you have to figure out "what we want" is a distraction. You have been given plenty of ideas ranging from simple to expansive to let us through that door.
So CCP, PLEASE reconsider! Please get a small team dedicated to opening that door! Take whatever "vamp" resources that are working on WoD and put them on Eve. We are paying customers, you are nowhere near having a cent in your pockets from WoD! Let us know ambulation isn't dead!
Issler |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:41:00 -
[441] - Quote
Space Hogger wrote:Forget WiS or even FiS. Talk about core gameplay, update the f-ing font already. I'd like to not have to squint if I use a monitor larger than 17". Seriously, how does something like CQ take precedence over being able to read the text in your game? Incarna was marketed to all these new (and returning) players as a revolutionary change to the game. Everything sounds awesome until you log in an realize you are trapped in a small room with the rest of the game unchanged. Still forced to squint at a small, hard to read font, all wrapped in an outdated UI.
Glasses ftw?
joking aside, this too lol My eyes are horrible. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Barakkus
964
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:42:00 -
[442] - Quote
I actually was looking forward to WoD :P
For god's sake don't use the Unreal engine, it sux.
CryEngine or something homegrown, not Unreal. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
639
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:44:00 -
[443] - Quote
I demand WiS noaw!
I want my brothels, pleasure hubs, casinos, bars. I want my planetary cities. I want my lingerie! I want my payment in trade and flying cars for pimp station rides! I want my showers!
God damnit my good men, code faster! |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
16
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:45:00 -
[444] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:
Yeah, I think all this mess is going to make certain people's heads over at CCP explode eventually...I can just imagine them running around with their heads on fire screaming "WHAT THE **** DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?!?!?!?! GODDAMNIT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!"
Btw, kudos on using "moot point" correctly. I think you're one of 5 people on these forums that understands it's "moot" not "mute".
Thank you Barakkus, It's good to see islands of calm amidst this insane sea of echoing madness. Hope CCP actually understands the message the thinking people of the community are trying to express in the denial of the travesty happening in this thread, which for some reason, some minds see as proof their belief is correct.
Reminds me of a book, in which , when the corpse of God fell to Earth, Atheists were worried it might be discovered and tried to hide it from the masses of the world just to prove their ... point.
So if a proWiS transvestite here, those that go so far as to advocate more dissent amidst this crisis, not the regular Puddi dressers, see a threadnaught with a clear majority saying NO, they just see the bigger number of posts and pretend their topic is indeed correct. Those shortcuts into logic make my mind scream in rage and denial sometimes. I have seen puppies understand the complexities of sequential logic better than this ... abomination.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
129
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:45:00 -
[445] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:I actually was looking forward to WoD :P
For god's sake don't use the Unreal engine, it sux.
CryEngine or something homegrown, not Unreal.
I thnk the key point is that if Wis and WoD are dead because the character animation portion of Carbon doesn't scale (the real reason I think Wod and WiS are dead) then CCP needs to bite the bullet and get another engine, there are plenty to choose from that they could deliver both games with. But from my point of view as person with an embarassing number of paying accounts, WiS first!
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:47:00 -
[446] - Quote
Brujo Loco wrote:Jokerface666 wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Ghoest wrote: The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.
Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it. And yet the thread that is in support of the FiS only focus has something like 9 posts and 12 likes and this one is still active, 15 pages and has nearly 500 likes. You must have some other sort of sampling method for lack of support for WiS because honestly, I am seeing even more support than I could have hoped for in these forums. Issler and you realize that the threadnought had like 150 pages.. complaining about this useless feature until everything else is fixed?? are you really that ignorant or just dumb? noone has said remove WiS, we just want to get everything else fixed BEFORE eyecandy. BECOUSE: usefull features already in game > probably usefull features in game SOON ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WHY CANT ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS????? IS THEIR MONOCLE BLIND EYE BLINDING THEM COMPLETELY? THIIIISSSSSS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Scroll up a bit, what he said!!!! This is a thread of people POINTING OUT THAT FOR THE LOVE OF THE AMARRIAN GOD BEATING MINMATAR CHILDREN IN THEIR CRIBS, LET THIS %@!#$^#$^#$^ go, who cares if you have a sekrit transexual desire of transvestism and want to clothe your useless avatar. If EVE got your sub out of this dream, please , if you don't have the decency to LEAVE , then at least have the intelligence to NOTICE that right now its ... Moot, void, pointless ... Now, if OP did this for trolling though, considering it now, /hatoff to you sir. Nice trollage. I fell for it completely, I can respect that. I can live safer and feel fuzzy inside knowing it was trollage out of the last bridge from the deepest pit of The Far Realm. Considering it was something else, only makes me want to put my fists in my eyesockets bursting them in gore, and do the Mickey dance.
An you all tell ME to calm down
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:49:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:I actually was looking forward to WoD :P
Me too actually. Especially when they decided to do it in VTM and not stupid Requiem
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Barakkus
964
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:49:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:Barakkus wrote:
Yeah, I think all this mess is going to make certain people's heads over at CCP explode eventually...I can just imagine them running around with their heads on fire screaming "WHAT THE **** DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?!?!?!?! GODDAMNIT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!"
Btw, kudos on using "moot point" correctly. I think you're one of 5 people on these forums that understands it's "moot" not "mute".
Thank you Barakkus, It's good to see islands of calm amidst this insane sea of echoing madness. Hope CCP actually understands the message the thinking people of the community are trying to express in the denial of the travesty happening in this thread, which for some reason, some minds see as proof their belief is correct. Reminds me of a book, in which , when the corpse of God fell to Earth, Atheists were worried it might be discovered and tried to hide it from the masses of the world just to prove their ... point. So if a proWiS transvestite here, those that go so far as to advocate more dissent amidst this crisis, not the regular Puddi dressers, see a threadnaught with a clear majority saying NO, they just see the bigger number of posts and pretend their topic is indeed correct. Those shortcuts into logic make my mind scream in rage and denial sometimes. I have seen puppies understand the complexities of sequential logic better than this ... abomination.
Yeah it's something that has always bothered me about these forums. Whenever a small group of people want one thing (or to do away with another) they spam the **** out of the forums to get their way. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but I always worry about how some of the crap people spam around here would really harm the game in the long run.
Unfortunately the evil internet has started to destroy society at large with it's constant noise of nonsense, and people use the exact same shortcut of logic you're talking about to make decisions, but that's another topic, and one that I don't think I want to poke with a stick, no matter how long that stick is :P |
Nana Arcana
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:53:00 -
[449] - Quote
-1
Do not want. |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
5
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:53:00 -
[450] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:
Yeah, I think all this mess is going to make certain people's heads over at CCP explode eventually...I can just imagine them running around with their heads on fire screaming "WHAT THE **** DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?!?!?!?! GODDAMNIT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!"
Btw, kudos on using "moot point" correctly. I think you're one of 5 people on these forums that understands it's "moot" not "mute".
You are never going to make everyone happy and if you try you will fail at making anyone happy.
CCP needs to decide what it wants, is it a space ship game or is it a sci fi sim. Until CCP decides which it is they are going to never move forward and they are eventually going to crash.
I understood this to be a sci fi sim and they were finally moving beyond just spaceships. Others think this is just a space ship game and anything extra is a waste. That is their choice but it isn't mine.
I'm am upset because I am tired of just space ship and they had promised me alot and keep backing off. PI was suposed to be more like colony management now its just mining. Ambulation was going to allow alot more interaction and make the game fuller more sci fi like, now they are putting it on the back shelf where it will sit for most likely years. I've been patient but I will only wait so long, most of my friends have left and I stuck around. The game is not growing and it shows. They pissed people off with their greed and imo they learned the wrong lesson and are going backwards not forwards.
I don't think I have ever been this pissed at CCP, I hope they figure out what they are and what they want and do it right. |
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
374
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:02:00 -
[451] - Quote
no one said that WiS is being shelved completely. it's merely taking the backseat until FiS is brought back from the dead.
besides, i have no reason to use CQ (im not that into fantasizing or playing with dolls) unless there is a specific purpose to it. i.e. until we're able to go into the station's cantina to complete some side objective, WiS might as well not exist.
they bit off more than they could chew. diverting most manpower to WiS work was a huge mistake only because half of EVE is broken or incomplete! until EVE's current content is 100%, it would be stupid to do anything relating to WiS.
myself (and possibly the other 10-20K) have resubbed or will consider resubbing only due to promising FiS content. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1256
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:07:00 -
[452] - Quote
FiS has just about run out of areas to expand on for new game content. The Final Frontier is WiS and the last stop will be combining FiS and WiS. This game is evolving and needs to expand. Eve is changing and you'll either have to adapt or go jump into a Bio-Vat.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love FiS and I welcome WiS into the game. But I'd rather have CCP fix and finish all existing game content first before working on any new content, even if it takes CCP a few years to do it. The funny thing is just by doing that it'll seem like new content has been added.
Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:14:00 -
[453] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Kengutsi Akira, actually it's people like you that are killing this game.
You're probably one out of a dozen players who keeps spamming their narrow minded self centered negative viewpoints while disrespecting others at the same time. Ironically though, you're not even one year old but you're the loudest and most vocal of that minority group. What's sad is you acting like you're a bittervet who's seen and done it all when actually you're still wet behind the ears.
Sorry to tell you this but you jumped on the wrong band wagon. FiS has just about run out of areas to expand on for new game content. The Final Frontier is WiS and the last stop will be combining FiS and WiS. This game is evolving and needs to expand. Eve is changing and you'll either have to adapt or go jump into a Bio-Vat.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love FiS and I welcome WiS into the game. But I'd rather have CCP fix and finish all existing game content first before working on any new content, even if it takes CCP a few years to do it. The funny thing is just by doing that it'll seem like new content has been added.
funny, i see you doing what youre accusing me of doing. I sincerely think however, Im not single handedly destroying the game thank you very much
and its funny you chose that post and none of my others.
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:15:00 -
[454] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:So CCP I hope you are paying attention!
When I started this thread it was to make it clear a lot of us want some form of WiS. I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
135
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:18:00 -
[455] - Quote
Hungry Eyes wrote:no one said that WiS is being shelved completely. it's merely taking the backseat until FiS is brought back from the dead.
besides, i have no reason to use CQ (im not that into fantasizing or playing with dolls) unless there is a specific purpose to it. i.e. until we're able to go into the station's cantina to complete some side objective, WiS might as well not exist.
they bit off more than they could chew. diverting most manpower to WiS work was a huge mistake only because half of EVE is broken or incomplete! until EVE's current content is 100%, it would be stupid to do anything relating to WiS.
myself (and possibly the other 10-20K) have resubbed or will consider resubbing only due to promising FiS content.
There is no plan for WiS at this time any more than the remaining CQs. That has been confirmed by devs and stated indirectly by Hilmar, who claims it is because WE indicated we didn't want WiS.
I suggest they take any resources remaining on WoD and apply them to WiS or if not that then they clarify WHEN WiS can be expected back. That could make me believe there will someday be something beyond that door.
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:18:00 -
[456] - Quote
Im guessing you chose that one because you couldnt take posts like
Quote: Ya know, Im cool with you all having your WiS as long as they dont make it manditory for me (I remember reading a dev blog or an interview wher ea CCP said they were planning on removing the button that allows you to opt out of WiS - thats likely where a lot of your "WiS" hate comes from) it doesnt impact my EVE playing, or doesnt impact the development of my EVE either.
You all can have your fun mini game. Im cool with that. Just dont let it infringe upon the rest of the game, and dont let it damage the company that runs our shared game.
Quote: lol see above. Im not changing my tune either, I felt this way all along. Its just the ppl that are now crying cause they shelved WiS that are pissing me off. GUYS let CCP HEAL before they decide to take another stab at WiS. Another round of mass unsub cause they shelved WiS is gonna do nothing but get more people on the street without a job.
Its a Black Spiral theyre Dancing here. Mass unsub they shelf WiS/WoD. More mass unsubs They now HAVE to do somethting along the lines of working on several projects like they said they couldnt do in the first place. Unfinished content/underwhelming expansions follow and more mass unsubs (mind you all this time CCP (and the accounts) is getting smaller).
When does it end? I can tell you there would be a point where it definately ends and not to "doom and gloom" but if we use mass unsubs to be the catalyst of that change thats where its GONNA end up.
Where I as talking from a less pissed off stance and bend it to what you want me to look like on these forums. No, you go back and find the most damaging post you can to make me look bad. Good job. You found a post where I was angry. You feel better now? Nice and self rightous? Forbid I ever be human and get heated about a topic I give a **** about.
Im guessing yer one of those that if we're unhappy, we should "just unsub and more on" types like I was at the start of this thread. Yeah well that already happened once, and if that keeps up we're both out something here. WiS isnt the future of the game lol its a side game. A mini game that ppl who get bored of flying spaceships can use to go do something else. What precisely are you thinking is gonna happen when they get back to developing WiS thats gonna make it "the future of EVE"? That somehow flying in spaceships is going to be eclipsed by this grand vision of playing poker and watching strippers? Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
135
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:20:00 -
[457] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So CCP I hope you are paying attention!
When I started this thread it was to make it clear a lot of us want some form of WiS. I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
Well, now that you are here I guess I am!
Issler |
Athiven SkyWolf
Ancient Terran Allience
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:21:00 -
[458] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:22:00 -
[459] - Quote
Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. I like to think I'm pretty eloquent for a five year old.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:23:00 -
[460] - Quote
Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement.
dude... look at the corp tag. duh
I see youre new to the forums, thats what we call a Goon. Insulting them is useless, ignoring them is worse. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
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Athiven SkyWolf
Ancient Terran Allience
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:29:00 -
[461] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. dude... look at the corp tag. duh
And look at the corp and you will see i am not the corp founder. It was my 10 years old son whose native language is french and yet he already speak english and also writes even if making some spelling mistakes. So yes he wrote alliance with a bad spelling. Come back to me when you can also write in french and dutch like hilm without mistake then you can give him lessons.
Another thing to add bully ? |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:33:00 -
[462] - Quote
Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. dude... look at the corp tag. duh And look at the corp and you will see i am not the corp founder. It was my 10 years old son whose native language is french and yet he already speak english and also writes even if making some spelling mistakes. So yes he wrote alliance with a bad spelling. Come back to me when you can also write in french and dutch like hilm without mistake then you can give him lessons. Another thing to add bully ?
wow.... way to insult the wrong guy
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
135
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:34:00 -
[463] - Quote
Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. dude... look at the corp tag. duh And look at the corp and you will see i am not the corp founder. It was my 10 years old son whose native language is french and yet he already speak english and also writes even if making some spelling mistakes. So yes he wrote alliance with a bad spelling. Come back to me when you can also write in french and dutch like hilm without mistake then you can give him lessons. Another thing to add bully ?
I actually believe that is how alliance IS spelled in the future!!
Props to your son for being ahead of the curve!
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:38:00 -
[464] - Quote
jeez chill dude, try to help a noob an I get all flamed for it. Guess I know what not to do from now on
lol I let you find out for yourself what a Goon is then. Flame on lol Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:42:00 -
[465] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:jeez chill dude, try to help a noob an I get all flamed for it. Welcome to Forum Wars. The eternal battle against bad posting can be dangerous.
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:43:00 -
[466] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:jeez chill dude, try to help a noob an I get all flamed for it. Guess I know what not to do from now on
lol I let you find out for yourself what a Goon is then. Flame on lol Wait he doesn't know what a Goon is but he wants to speak for the playerbase...
I am pretty sure I can jump into any local and get silence if I say does anyone not know who Goons are.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:44:00 -
[467] - Quote
Space Hogger wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Space Hogger wrote:Forget WiS or even FiS. Talk about core gameplay, update the f-ing font already. I'd like to not have to squint if I use a monitor larger than 17". Seriously, how does something like CQ take precedence over being able to read the text in your game? Incarna was marketed to all these new (and returning) players as a revolutionary change to the game. Everything sounds awesome until you log in an realize you are trapped in a small room with the rest of the game unchanged. Still forced to squint at a small, hard to read font, all wrapped in an outdated UI. Glasses ftw? joking aside, this too lol My eyes are horrible. Funny that you mention that, I have glasses but I am not supposed to wear them while in front of the computer. I sit in front of a monitor all day at work looking at line after line of code no problem. Then I go home to a larger monitor and fight the desire to wear glasses to play Eve. Even when I do wear them, it doesn't help much. It really seems like it was designed for lower resolutions only.
I think theres a good liklihood it was, this game was launched in what 2003? How many 2003 games you see running around that scale up to current resolutions realy well? lol Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Vid Eeomeet
Smoke 'n' Mirrors Knights Of Freedoms
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:46:00 -
[468] - Quote
I do like the idea of being able to muck about in stations. Personally it would add immersion level. I've always thought it was silly to have these elaborate stations and not be able to explore them. Calling it Barbies in space is vitriolic IMO. That being said I do enjoy this game because of the space setting and think ships in space should be the primary focus for devs. Perhaps finish the other CQs for now and add useful features to the screens in the quarters. After other CQs are released and tweaked, focus on ships and space until a more fleshed out ambulation experience can be refined and released. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:46:00 -
[469] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:jeez chill dude, try to help a noob an I get all flamed for it. Guess I know what not to do from now on
lol I let you find out for yourself what a Goon is then. Flame on lol Wait he doesn't know what a Goon is but he wants to speak for the playerbase... I am pretty sure I can jump into any local and get silence if I say does anyone not know who Goons are.
who wants to speak for the whole playerbase?
lol howd my trying to help this noob get all this **** turned around on me?
****, see if I try to help someone new again Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:49:00 -
[470] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. dude... look at the corp tag. duh I see youre new to the forums, thats what we call a Goon. Insulting them is useless, ignoring them is worse.
Hence this post
(too many quotes) needed a new post
I dont think he was trying to "speak for the player base" by posting his opinion on a forum, Im damn sure not speaking for anyone more than me, and I surely well know what a Goon is lol Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
105
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:58:00 -
[471] - Quote
I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:03:00 -
[472] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it.
People like this are the ones looking to destroy the game lol
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
105
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:08:00 -
[473] - Quote
It's a feature I'd like. You're asking the devs to focus dev time on the features you like. How are you any different from me? Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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T-Jay Charante
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:12:00 -
[474] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it. People like this are the ones looking to destroy the game lol
The WiS crowd are the new Goons, destroying Eve is the goal, apparently.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:18:00 -
[475] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:It's a feature I'd like. You're asking the devs to focus dev time on the features you like. How are you any different from me?
Im not asking them to continue to work on a side project that damaged their company. YOURE basically telling them that after they took a 20% hit to the company they should "walk it off" and keep going.
WiS was tied to WoD. Thats pretty obvious when you look at the fact that they both got "back burner"ed together.
The obvious difference between what Im saying and what youre telling them is IM not asking them to work on "features" Id like, Im asking them to work on what was the entire game up until the failed launch of the one room.
T-Jay Charante wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it. People like this are the ones looking to destroy the game lol The WiS crowd are the new Goons, destroying Eve is the goal, apparently.
That guy, who would rather they put off FiS to get WiS going, yes. Hell even CCP sees this. They said as much in the announcement that the 20% would get fired.
ID like to have a game AND have WiS. NOT let CCP go to **** to get WiS out ASAP
Go back a few pages, read my thread about how they need to heal, the other guy just a page or two back. LET THE COMPANY HEAL - then... when they have a firm footing again, THEN they can work on more than one thing. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:26:00 -
[476] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:It's a feature I'd like. You're asking the devs to focus dev time on the features you like. How are you any different from me? Im not asking them to continue to work on a side project that damaged their company. YOURE basically telling them that after they took a 20% hit to the company they should "walk it off" and keep going. WiS was tied to WoD. Thats pretty obvious when you look at the fact that they both got "back burner"ed together. The obvious difference between what Im saying and what youre telling them is IM not asking them to work on "features" Id like, Im asking them to work on what was the entire game up until the failed launch of the one room. T-Jay Charante wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it. People like this are the ones looking to destroy the game lol The WiS crowd are the new Goons, destroying Eve is the goal, apparently. That guy, who would rather they put off FiS to get WiS going, yes. Hell even CCP sees this. They said as much in the announcement that the 20% would get fired. ID like to have a game AND have WiS. NOT let CCP go to **** to get WiS out ASAP Go back a few pages, read my thread about how they need to heal, the other guy just a page or two back. LET THE COMPANY HEAL - then... when they have a firm footing again, THEN they can work on more than one thing. You need to get some fresh air or something. Seriously, it will do you some good. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:29:00 -
[477] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote: You need to get some fresh air or something. Seriously, it will do you some good.
0/10
You HAVE to be able to do better
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
11
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:30:00 -
[478] - Quote
The problem has never been Incarna, but CCP spreading themselves too thin, milking their golden goose: EVE. So, the solution is not to get rid of Incarna, but to pull the plug on WoD, or DUST even. Then they can hire back that 20% of their personnel they laid off, and put them all back on feeding the golden goose, instead of just milking her (and in the process learn that feeding the goose is your wise investment towards milking her again: the two go hand in hand).
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Sturmwolke
29
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:32:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:You might be surprised how wide support the "real" Incarna concept in EvE community has. The reasons towards the hate for what we have now are more or less of it not being what people were expecting and for CCP ignoring FiS for so long time. Incarna itself wasn't the problem.
It's natural to respond positively to visionary concepts the likes of Incarna (hence the wide acceptance) - but when push comes to a shove, Incarna matters very little. You cannot have a cake and eat it too.
I'm generally positive to it's potential, but on the flip-side, I don't really care if it never gets implemented - much less post a forum thread begging for support as per OP. I do care however, when the core EVE gameplay gets neglected and the work quality from CCP gets reduced to shoddy undertakings (which there are plenty of examples, you don't even have to think about it).
Retrospectively, I'm half wondering if the inception of Incarna (years back) had a solid and pragmatic approach on how the feature will mesh into the core gameplay and what sort of metrics (if any) will be used to justify the cost of the engine development and any other related expenses. Everything up until now has shown that the spark for this idea has more to do with "just because it's cool to do" than any real substance. You cannot evolve the core EVE gameplay on fluffy ideas - it takes an enormous amount of work (that shouldn't be underestimated). The interesting thing is, the few EVE founders would have been be more than familiar with such undertakings. Where they tripped up would be an interesting discussion.
Back then, I vaguely remember one of the reasons they put forward in favor of Incarna was that it'll provide a platform that will encourage more girls/women audience or subcribers. Sure, I'd have no qualms with that (being aware of the female mind preferences), but I'd be asking how would this pan out in the long-term, in terms of sustainability. It does not make sense to spend 50million to make an extra 2 million in yearly revenue, including needing to increase operational cost by 1-2mil to support such a feature (in arbitrary numbers of course). There is little profit. Hell, this is even ingrained in the EVE's science & industry mechanics, which should be familiar to most players.
That reminds me, Incarna looks very similar to the Elemental : War of Magic fiasco from Stardock.
Custom engine that works rather poorly - Check Bland gameplay & gamedesign - Check Incomplete - Check Layoffs - Check
Imo, CCP will need to re-examine the feasibility of elevating WiS into one of the core pillars of EVE and sustainably maintaining it from the EVE revenue stream. Currently, it's looking like a white elephant.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
105
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:36:00 -
[480] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Im asking them to work on what was the entire game up until the failed launch of the one room.
I've been playing that game lately. That game's fine. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:38:00 -
[481] - Quote
Sturmwolke wrote: Retrospectively, I'm half wondering if the inception of Incarna (years back) had a solid and pragmatic approach on how the feature will mesh into the core gameplay and what sort of metrics (if any) will be used to justify the cost of the engine development and any other related expenses. Everything up until now has shown that the spark for this idea has more to do with "just because it's cool to do" than any real substance.
Or worse yet, if it was just made to appease the people while making a testing bed for WoD technology, with no actual "real world" applications in mind or if it was the Jurassic Park phenomenon: Dont ask if we should, just ask if we can
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Im asking them to work on what was the entire game up until the failed launch of the one room. I've been playing that game lately. That game's fine.
0/10
lol dude youre really bad at this trolling thing. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
101
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:50:00 -
[482] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high. We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.
Phantom thanks!
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
105
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:06:00 -
[483] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:0/10
lol dude youre really bad at this trolling thing.
Ah yes, the typical response of those who have nothing to contribute - "you're just trolling".
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:20:00 -
[484] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:0/10
lol dude youre really bad at this trolling thing. Ah yes, the typical response of those who have nothing to contribute - "you're just trolling".
Well calling a horse a horse... Yeah, youd actually have to, you know, read the thread to see what I have to contribute. But then again, you seem to think there are no issues to be addressed in the spaceships portion of the game, hence, me calling you a troll as you are the only person Ive seen in this game that thinks that. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Flamespar
Woof Club
80
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:39:00 -
[485] - Quote
CCP. For **** sake, release a dev blog clarifying the future of Incarna. Players are confused about the uncertainty that Hilmars comments have created.
First he says that it's an integral part of EVE's future. Then he says 'we may get back to it'. Can we just have a straight ******* answer? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:50:00 -
[486] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Im guessing you chose that one because you couldnt take posts like Quote: Ya know, Im cool with you all having your WiS as long as they dont make it manditory for me (I remember reading a dev blog or an interview wher ea CCP said they were planning on removing the button that allows you to opt out of WiS - thats likely where a lot of your "WiS" hate comes from) it doesnt impact my EVE playing, or doesnt impact the development of my EVE either.
You all can have your fun mini game. Im cool with that. Just dont let it infringe upon the rest of the game, and dont let it damage the company that runs our shared game.
Quote: lol see above. Im not changing my tune either, I felt this way all along. Its just the ppl that are now crying cause they shelved WiS that are pissing me off. GUYS let CCP HEAL before they decide to take another stab at WiS. Another round of mass unsub cause they shelved WiS is gonna do nothing but get more people on the street without a job.
Its a Black Spiral theyre Dancing here. Mass unsub they shelf WiS/WoD. More mass unsubs They now HAVE to do somethting along the lines of working on several projects like they said they couldnt do in the first place. Unfinished content/underwhelming expansions follow and more mass unsubs (mind you all this time CCP (and the accounts) is getting smaller).
When does it end? I can tell you there would be a point where it definately ends and not to "doom and gloom" but if we use mass unsubs to be the catalyst of that change thats where its GONNA end up.
Where I as talking from a less pissed off stance and bend it to what you want me to look like on these forums. No, you go back and find the most damaging post you can to make me look bad. Good job. You found a post where I was angry. You feel better now? Nice and self rightous? Forbid I ever be human and get heated about a topic I give a **** about. Im guessing yer one of those that if we're unhappy, we should "just unsub and more on" types like I was at the start of this thread. Yeah well that already happened once, and if that keeps up we're both out something here. WiS isnt the future of the game lol its a side game. A mini game that ppl who get bored of flying spaceships can use to go do something else. What precisely are you thinking is gonna happen when they get back to developing WiS thats gonna make it "the future of EVE"? That somehow flying in spaceships is going to be eclipsed by this grand vision of playing poker and watching strippers?
I've seen plenty of posted replies done by you in this and lot's of other threads where you needlessly fan the flames of rage with smug self righteous trolling like you're trying to do now. Or maybe I just had the misfortune of seeing a few 'Mad' ones.
FYI - I was totality against the mas unsub that happened and I have said many times doing that will only hurt the game and eventually end up pushing it into oblivion.
There's multiple possibility's of game content that can be gained from WiS. There have been lot's of excellent scenarios already posted in the various threads about Incarna. Seriously, if you think playing poker and watching npc strippers is the end game for WiS, then you really are narrow-minded with a complete lack of imagination.
Here's a couple of examples, like this and that.
It doesn't take very much imagination to come up with various ideas for game play content. Hell, I'm sure you could even come up with one or two ideas yourself.
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Niffo
Defenders of Order
4
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:51:00 -
[487] - Quote
Give me a central hub where I can walk around with other pilots docked in the station, a corp meeting hall where corp mates can get together for a meeting with maps on the screen we choose, and maybe some gambling games in the common area, and that just might be enough to have me disable ship spinning. Until such a time, it's perma-disabled. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
108
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:54:00 -
[488] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Well calling a horse a horse... Yeah, youd actually have to, you know, read the thread to see what I have to contribute. But then again, you seem to think there are no issues to be addressed in the spaceships portion of the game, hence,
Not anywhere in this thread did I say such a thing.
Kengutsi Akira wrote:me calling you a troll as you are the only person Ive seen in this game that thinks that.
You're calling me a troll on the basis of a faulty interpretation, one that is apparently intentionally so. Don't worry, though, that doesn't make you a troll - that just indicates you're not particularly smart. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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QwaarJet
hirr Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:05:00 -
[489] - Quote
I never had any wish for WiS. Do not presume to speak for me Issler. If you did a community wide pole I guarantee that the majority would be against WiS. I hope it gets ditched completely. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
111
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:06:00 -
[490] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Well calling a horse a horse... Yeah, youd actually have to, you know, read the thread to see what I have to contribute. But then again, you seem to think there are no issues to be addressed in the spaceships portion of the game, hence, Not anywhere in this thread did I say such a thing.
Ah see I must have misinterpreted
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Im asking them to work on what was the entire game up until the failed launch of the one room. I've been playing that game lately. That game's fine.
I was talking about EVE... which YOU said was "fine" hence me thinking youre trolling cause knowing there are issues in the game and pretending they arent there so youll get CCP to go work on the mini game.
Andreus Ixiris wrote: You're calling me a troll on the basis of a faulty interpretation, one that is apparently intentionally so. Don't worry, though, that doesn't make you a troll - that just indicates you're not particularly smart.
lol if you cant refute it start with the personal attacks. Isnt that how that goes? Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:08:00 -
[491] - Quote
when one see problem other see opportunity when one see opportunity other see game mechanics when one see game mechanics other see problem
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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
12
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:09:00 -
[492] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote: Yeah, youd actually have to, you know, read the thread to see what I have to contribute.
Oh, I've seen what you have to contribute: a loud mouth. I've watched you stomp on everyone, in silence, just so I could make the point at some time (which is now): 'Squeaky wheel gets the grease.' A handful of very loud bullies, like yourself, professes to speak for everyone. You don't, of course: it's just that the loudest, most aggressive people tend to dominate the forum. Too bad CCP didn't realize that, because your behavior in this thread is indicative of what's been going on of late: bullies, drunk with power now that they've smelled CCP's blood, getting their way.
CCP should have stuck to their own plans, and not let their boardroom be governed by schoolyard majority rule. It's panic, of course, is what it was. I hope they recover from that soon, and continue to make WiS the reality they envisioned years ago.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:15:00 -
[493] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: Yeah, youd actually have to, you know, read the thread to see what I have to contribute.
Oh, I've seen what you have to contribute: a loud mouth. I've watched you stomp on everyone, in silence, just so I could make the point at some time (which is now): 'Squeaky wheel gets the grease.' A handful of very loud bullies, like yourself, professes to speak for everyone. You don't, of course: it's just that the loudest, most aggressive people tend to dominate the forum. Too bad CCP didn't realize that, because your behavior in this thread is indicative of what's been going on of late: bullies, drunk with power now that they've smelled CCP's blood, getting their way. CCP should have stuck to their own plans, and not let their boardroom be governed by schoolyard majority rule. It's panic, of course, is what it was. I hope they recover from that soon, and continue to make WiS the reality they envisioned years ago.
please quote the point where I said "I speak for the entire playerbase in saying"
Cause I dont think I remember typing that.
And yes, Ill speak my opinion, loudly, as thats what IM ALLOWED to do on a forum. Unless I do something to get banned that is. Im not gonna just sit around and let the game I like get destroyed by ppl that if they dont get what they want will just hop to the next game (as evidenced by ppl that "just came here for WiS").
And I would be AMAZINGLY HAPPY if CCP stopped listening to the forums for the direction of the game. Its THEIR game. WE shouldnt be telling them what to do. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Mersault
Angels of Alina Stardust Underground
32
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:18:00 -
[494] - Quote
One day you will wake up in your CQ to see me with a gun to your head, demanding a ransom for your implants.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:21:00 -
[495] - Quote
Also, if me expressing my opinion is as damaging to the game as you say, this game is in far greater trouble that anyone thought
an how is your opinion not damaging it? as the other guy tried to flip it on me earlier lol Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
110
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:27:00 -
[496] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:I was talking about EVE... which YOU said was "fine" hence me thinking youre trolling cause knowing there are issues in the game and pretending they arent there so youll get CCP to go work on the mini game.
"Fine" =/= "perfect".
Kengutsi Akira wrote:lol if you cant refute it start with the personal attacks. Isnt that how that goes?
Ah, but I did refute it. You're not making yourself look any better, you know. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:31:00 -
[497] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:lol if you cant refute it start with the personal attacks. Isnt that how that goes? Ah, but I did refute it. You're not making yourself look any better, you know.
lol keep up the insults while professing youre not trolling. Its a neat thing to watch
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
110
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:41:00 -
[498] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:lol keep up the insults while professing youre not trolling. Its a neat thing to watch
To be fair, the quality of your posts thus far hasn't really convinced me that being declared a troll by you is going to cause me any particular grief.
Fact is, the spaceship game is fine. Not perfect, but fine. If it wasn't, people would have been leaving in droves before Incarna. There are a few rebalancing issues that need to be taken care of but as the game stands it's doing fine. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
8
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:46:00 -
[499] - Quote
Hell yeah, I want WIS! I've said this multiple times already, but it's THE expansion I've been waiting for ever since I started playing over 3 years ago.
I can see why they postponed it, but it saddens me as it's yet another promise not delivered. I think it's not unreasonable to at least publish a devblog to let us know if they will deliver Incarna and if yes, a "when" that won't be broken this time. Leaving those like me in uncertainty with mentioning in an interview somewhere that "we might pick it up at some point later down the line" is just not nice, and does not score points for communication either.
If CCP is really clueless about what to do with WIS/how to make it fun, then I'm surprised. I saw little wrong with the vision they had for it. It contained: Bars, minigames and gambling, conference rooms, war rooms, programmable NPC's, and probably some stuff I can't remember right now, but I loved it all, and I would still love it all.
The only things I didn't like was sadly the stuff CCP put into CQ: the NEX prices, and the fact that entering CQ was mandatory. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:54:00 -
[500] - Quote
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4769&tid=1
huh they mention everything BUT WiS
Where do they say theyre "putting it on ice" as I keep seeing? "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
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non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
120
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:10:00 -
[501] - Quote
EVE Stig wrote:http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4769&tid=1
huh they mention everything BUT WiS
Where do they say theyre "putting it on ice" as I keep seeing? They usually quote this interview as their reason to fear it being put on ice.
All I see it saying is that it's going to have to wait for a bit before they get back to it. |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
5
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:14:00 -
[502] - Quote
If I wanted a Secondlife clone...I would have been playing...errrrrrmmmmmm...Secondlife. Fortunately, I wanted spaceships, so I played EVE.
I was convinced that CCP had taken the wrong direction with WiS, with the new NEX content announcements from CCP - they sounded camp and very gay, or if they were directed to the pre-pubescent school girl subscriber.
Now, if the NEX store content announcement had a headline like: "NEW - 2400 Gigawatt Pulse Laser Hand Gun, PLUS FREE Holster. Conveniently blast your closet neighbor in the face, with your new custom accessory. ONLY AVAILABLE FROM YOUR LOCAL NEX STORE!!"...then I may have had more confidence in the direction CCP were going.
Whatever, there is no excuse for the neglect that FiS has received over the last couple of years...I'm glad that CCP has realised that One of the "rabble brigade".
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Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries GloboTech Trade Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:16:00 -
[503] - Quote
Quote:It wasn't that the teams elsewhere were negligent or were "bad" community advocates. In fact, they consistently went above and beyond the call of duty in that regard, were experts at remote communication, and performed very well in such difficult circumstances.
so they got rid of the ppl that were really good what happened to the people that WERE bad? **** FiS Its Called EVE |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
5
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:23:00 -
[504] - Quote
Che Biko wrote: The only things I didn't like was sadly the stuff CCP put into CQ: the NEX prices, and the fact that entering CQ was mandatory.
That just about sums up the complete content of the whole expansion...agreed - a complete and utter disappointment. The Incarna expansions should (and probably will) be scrubbed from EVE history. No...in fact it should be raised as a Totem inside CCP offices as a reminder of what a truly great ****-up looks like.
One of the "rabble brigade".
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Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
9
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:25:00 -
[505] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler Issler, it's nice that the hisec crowd have a voice in the form of your person, but unless you've been living under a particularly large rock, you may have noticed EVE's subs slipping by about 20% since last december and around 8% since June, when The Door(TM) was released. If CCP had continued working on Beyond The Door(TM), there's a very good chance that CCP would have gone down as a company by next year.
If and when CCP manages to get all the stuff released that they've currently announced, and it's a LOT of stuff, as well as having finally iterated on and fixed nullsec, losec and FW, then I think there'll be leeway from the portion of the players who quit over The Door(TM).
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Richard Aiel
GloboTech Holding GloboTech Trade Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:29:00 -
[506] - Quote
Naradius wrote:If I wanted a Secondlife clone...I would have been playing...errrrrrmmmmmm...Secondlife. Fortunately, I wanted spaceships, so I played EVE. I was convinced that CCP had taken the wrong direction with WiS, with the new NEX content announcements from CCP - they sounded camp and very gay, or if they were directed to the pre-pubescent school girl subscriber. Now, if the NEX store content announcement had a headline like: "NEW - 2400 Gigawatt Pulse Laser Hand Gun, PLUS FREE Holster. Conveniently blast your closet neighbor in the face, with your new custom accessory. ONLY AVAILABLE FROM YOUR LOCAL NEX STORE!!"...then I may have had more confidence in the direction CCP were going. Whatever, there is no excuse for the neglect that FiS has received over the last couple of years...I'm glad that CCP has realised that
Whoa, havent seen DEATHFUNK in a while. Funksikle an Mullethead an them still playing?
"If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |
Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries GloboTech Trade Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:31:00 -
[507] - Quote
non judgement wrote:EVE Stig wrote: (lol I cant link it without getting the BBC error)
huh they mention everything BUT WiS
Where do they say theyre "putting it on ice" as I keep seeing? They usually quote this interview as their reason to fear it being put on ice. All I see it saying is that it's going to have to wait for a bit before they get back to it.
I dont even see them mentioning walking in stations
Bomberlocks wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler Issler, it's nice that the hisec crowd have a voice in the form of your person, but unless you've been living under a particularly large rock, you may have noticed EVE's subs slipping by about 20% since last december and around 8% since June, when The Door(TM) was released. If CCP had continued working on Beyond The Door(TM), there's a very good chance that CCP would have gone down as a company by next year. If and when CCP manages to get all the stuff released that they've currently announced, and it's a LOT of stuff, as well as having finally iterated on and fixed nullsec, losec and FW, then I think there'll be leeway from the portion of the players who quit over The Door(TM). --Bomb
Yeah that guy doesnt speak for me an Im, in high sec thanks I had to cut the links out cause it was giving me BBC code errors **** FiS Its Called EVE |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
120
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:40:00 -
[508] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:non judgement wrote:EVE Stig wrote: (lol I cant link it without getting the BBC error)
huh they mention everything BUT WiS
Where do they say theyre "putting it on ice" as I keep seeing? They usually quote this interview as their reason to fear it being put on ice. All I see it saying is that it's going to have to wait for a bit before they get back to it. I dont even see them mentioning walking in stations
So you didn't see this part of it?
Quote:Eurogamer: Regarding Incarna, we were expecting to have the other Captain's Quarters by now, along with the first steps towards station Establishments. Is there still a development roadmap for Incarna?
Hilmar P+¬tursson: We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed. It also includes some optimisations and other fixes. I think the community has spoken loud and clear that they want more classical Eve features to come out, and that's the priority for us. Incarna is there, and we might pick it up at some point later down the line, but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to.
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Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries GloboTech Trade Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:42:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:non judgement wrote:EVE Stig wrote: (lol I cant link it without getting the BBC error)
huh they mention everything BUT WiS
Where do they say theyre "putting it on ice" as I keep seeing? They usually quote this interview as their reason to fear it being put on ice. All I see it saying is that it's going to have to wait for a bit before they get back to it. I dont even see them mentioning walking in stations So you didn't see this part of it? Quote:Eurogamer: Regarding Incarna, we were expecting to have the other Captain's Quarters by now, along with the first steps towards station Establishments. Is there still a development roadmap for Incarna?
Hilmar P+¬tursson: We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed. It also includes some optimisations and other fixes. I think the community has spoken loud and clear that they want more classical Eve features to come out, and that's the priority for us. Incarna is there, and we might pick it up at some point later down the line, but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to.
nope, thanks for the quote **** FiS Its Called EVE |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
5
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:42:00 -
[510] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:
Whoa, havent seen DEATHFUNK in a while. Funksikle an Mullethead an them still playing?
Nah, sadly Funk is one of CCP's lost subscriber base, and he left spaceships to drive Tanks. Most of the guys from Deathfunk who didn't fancy Tanks, are now in NCdot. I'm just a lone caretaker, waiting for Funks dulcet tones to return, so that we may be led to certain death and glory, once again...and again, and again One of the "rabble brigade".
Rabble of the World UNITE! |
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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
13
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Posted - 2011.10.26 02:46:00 -
[511] - Quote
Quote:Hilmar P+¬tursson: We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed.
Especially the latter part of that sentence is distressing (emphasis mine). In other words: we're only releasing a bit of more Incarna because we had it finished already, and not because we plan to actually work on it some more.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Ghoest
4
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:01:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Ghoest wrote: The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.
Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it. And yet the thread that is in support of the FiS only focus has something like 9 posts and 12 likes and this one is still active, 15 pages and has nearly 500 likes. You must have some other sort of sampling method for lack of support for WiS because honestly, I am seeing even more support than I could have hoped for in these forums. Issler
Ya my sample was the reaction to WIS at release when players realized what had been appeing for the last 18 months(as in no new space ship content.). Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
15
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:05:00 -
[513] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Quote:Hilmar P+¬tursson: We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed. Especially the latter part of that sentence is distressing (emphasis mine). In other words: we're only releasing a bit of more Incarna because we had it finished already, and not because we plan to actually work on it some more.
On the upside, I just realize, he is saying that he's releasing the new quarters this year. Of course, the man's made promises before, LOL; but let's hope he keeps this one. And if it's true, then, who knows, maybe we'll get the entire Winter expansion this year (as that's the logical inference of the above).
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Flamespar
Woof Club
82
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:23:00 -
[514] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Quote:Hilmar P+¬tursson: We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed. Especially the latter part of that sentence is distressing (emphasis mine). In other words: we're only releasing a bit of more Incarna because we had it finished already, and not because we plan to actually work on it some more. On the upside, I just realize, he is saying that he's releasing the new quarters this year. Of course, the man's made promises before, LOL; but let's hope he keeps this one. And if it's true, then, who knows, maybe we'll get the entire Winter expansion this year (as that's the logical inference of the above).
Personally I think it sounds like they are trying to distance themselves from Incarna by implying that minimal work is being done on it. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
120
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:27:00 -
[515] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Quote:Hilmar P+¬tursson: We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed. Especially the latter part of that sentence is distressing (emphasis mine). In other words: we're only releasing a bit of more Incarna because we had it finished already, and not because we plan to actually work on it some more. On the upside, I just realize, he is saying that he's releasing the new quarters this year. Of course, the man's made promises before, LOL; but let's hope he keeps this one. And if it's true, then, who knows, maybe we'll get the entire Winter expansion this year (as that's the logical inference of the above). Personally I think it sounds like they are trying to distance themselves from Incarna by implying that minimal work is being done on it. I agree.
I also see this part of his comments:
Quote:Incarna is there, and we might pick it up at some point later down the line and it makes me think they'll continue it later. I think they are just going to wait until the heat has died down a bit first. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
68
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:30:00 -
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Walking in stations - since it is doomed to have no combat due to dust - is considered a minor side show. Stopping basically all work on eve for 18 months to work on "walking in stations" was a huge mistake. I think CCP can see that now. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries GloboTech Trade Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:38:00 -
[517] - Quote
non judgement wrote:I also see this part of his comments: Quote:Incarna is there, and we might pick it up at some point later down the line and it makes me think they'll continue it later. I think they are just going to wait until the heat has died down a bit first.
The "might" qualifier should be pointed out here. That way if they dont come back to it, they can say they never said they WOULD
**** FiS Its Called EVE |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:47:00 -
[518] - Quote
hey you wis lovers, tell me please, what kind of magic technology will enable the average person's gaming computer to render more than 1 incarna avatar? how you going to render jita iv-iv
now they might open up a few more corridors and let u talk to a few npcs in a future patch but whats the point, so u can /wave /dance /lol /gaysex |
Flamespar
Woof Club
82
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:51:00 -
[519] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote: The "might" qualifier should be pointed out here. That way if they dont come back to it, they can say they never said they WOULD
Which is exactly why players are pissed. We have no idea if Incarna will ever be finished because of his language.
Personally I think they should just come clean and say something like.
Winter 2011 expansion: Space stuff and remaining captains quarters Summer 2012 Expansion: Null sec revamp and Dust Winter 2012 Expansion: Multiplayer establishments plus cool space stuff and t3 frigates
At least this way we know it's coming, and have broad understanding of when. Instead of this endless "wait and see" nonsense.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries GloboTech Trade Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.26 04:04:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote: The "might" qualifier should be pointed out here. That way if they dont come back to it, they can say they never said they WOULD
Which is exactly why players are pissed. We have no idea if Incarna will ever be finished because of his language. Personally I think they should just come clean and say something like. Winter 2011 expansion: Space stuff and remaining captains quarters Summer 2012 Expansion: Null sec revamp and Dust Winter 2012 Expansion: Multiplayer establishments plus cool space stuff and t3 frigates At least this way we know it's coming, and have broad understanding of when. Instead of this endless "wait and see" nonsense.
I doubt youll get it. They want ppl to hang in ther e and keep subbing. If they tell you its unlikely they are going to return to it, what do you think will happen? And if they say they are going to return to it and then dont, what do you think will happen?
**** FiS Its Called EVE |
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
639
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Posted - 2011.10.26 04:27:00 -
[521] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:hey you wis lovers, tell me please, what kind of magic technology will enable the average person's gaming computer to render more than 1 incarna avatar? how you going to render jita iv-iv
now they might open up a few more corridors and let u talk to a few npcs in a future patch but whats the point, so u can /wave /dance /lol /gaysex
Whats the point of spaceships in crappier graphics if all you can do is:
/target /gank /pod /surprise noob buttsex
And don't assume everybody in jita will be in the same room. It undermines your intelligence.
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Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries GloboTech Trade Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.26 04:34:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:hey you wis lovers, tell me please, what kind of magic technology will enable the average person's gaming computer to render more than 1 incarna avatar? how you going to render jita iv-iv
now they might open up a few more corridors and let u talk to a few npcs in a future patch but whats the point, so u can /wave /dance /lol /gaysex Whats the point of spaceships in crappier graphics if all you can do is: /target /gank /pod /surprise noob buttsex And don't assume everybody in jita will be in the same room. It undermines your intelligence.
And dont assume everyone wants WiS and is bored of what we used to think of as the whole game. It undermines your intelligence **** FiS Its Called EVE |
Barakkus
967
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Posted - 2011.10.26 04:35:00 -
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Ya know, this was actually going pretty well up until about page 19. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
119
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Posted - 2011.10.26 04:40:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote: Taking all the devs but six from EVE and putting them on other projects is what caused serious damage to EVE to be honest. Along with splitting their focus across DUST, and WoD/Incarna (because they are linked). Focussing BACK on EVE (where it never should have left) and fixing/finishing those unfinished projects is what they need to do imo. AFTER THAT they can work on your precious WiS IF it doesnt bleed resources from EVE or damage the company.
Totally correct, spot-on. WiS should be a distant thought until FiS has had all it's fixes and new FiS-related game content. History should be good at teaching lessons, lessons based on mistakes are the best lessons learnt. CCP know that now, so give them a decent chance to focus and deliver FiS.
No need to keeping kicking a dead horse. It's down for now, wait for the fresh new filly after FiS updates. Repeatedly posting about WiS now is just a waste of forum space.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2011.10.26 04:42:00 -
[525] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Ya know, this was actually going pretty well up until about page 19.
what went wrong O.o
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
119
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Posted - 2011.10.26 04:43:00 -
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@CCP
Please close this thread, it's the same krap being regurgitated by WiS and FiS supoprters alike. Repeatedly. Endlessly. It is mind-numbing. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2011.10.26 04:45:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:@CCP
Please close this thread, it's the same krap being regurgitated by WiS and FiS supoprters alike. Repeatedly. Endlessly. It is mind-numbing.
Youd need Mods for that j/k
yeah gotta agree. Its pretty much just trolling after page 19 Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Flamespar
Woof Club
82
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Posted - 2011.10.26 05:14:00 -
[528] - Quote
My final solution.
CCP releases Dev blog on the fate or death of Incarna.
People return to their lives. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
639
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Posted - 2011.10.26 05:15:00 -
[529] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:hey you wis lovers, tell me please, what kind of magic technology will enable the average person's gaming computer to render more than 1 incarna avatar? how you going to render jita iv-iv
now they might open up a few more corridors and let u talk to a few npcs in a future patch but whats the point, so u can /wave /dance /lol /gaysex Whats the point of spaceships in crappier graphics if all you can do is: /target /gank /pod /surprise noob buttsex And don't assume everybody in jita will be in the same room. It undermines your intelligence. And dont assume everyone wants WiS and is bored of what we used to think of as the whole game. It undermines your intelligence
Oh I don't.
I just assume all those individuals who are not bored of it are angry 2 year olds with a "me complex" or a killmail fixation..... evident from the whole give me FiS and re-balance my ships/guns for the Nth time or I rage quit with my brosefs populist movement we saw not so long ago. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
109
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Posted - 2011.10.26 05:15:00 -
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Agreed on the trolling, and yes these same points keep being brought up as new folks chime in.
As for the comment that WIS should be a distant thought for now, I can't get behind that one.
No offense, but I think now is the time for a small group of content designers to be thinking seriously about what the game plan (and game play) is going to be once they get to the point where they can think about starting work with it again.
I'm not talking a massive team, just those that specialize in the broad strokes... taking some time over the next few months to get their head around the concepts discussed in this thread and others... and figure out how to get things moving in the right direction without shooting themselves (and EVE's core game play) in the foot again.
They seriously need to set up a white board like they did for organizing their thoughts on the purpose and organization of Null Sec and establish some guidelines and goals, and define the lines they should never cross again.
I think this thread did serve a purpose, trolls aside. People on both sides of the debate found a bit of common ground, and most have acknowledged the sane points that were made on both sides.
That's pretty rare on this forum.
And perhaps, if/when WIS is looked at again in the future, this thread might just have some influence on the decisions that will be made. Anything that can help CCP to avoid causing anger on one side and disappointment on the other is a plus, however it turns out. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
483
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Posted - 2011.10.26 07:24:00 -
[531] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:I just assume all those individuals who are not bored of it are angry 2 year olds with a "me complex" or a killmail fixation..... evident from the whole give me FiS and re-balance my ships/guns for the Nth time or I rage quit with my brosefs populist movement we saw not so long ago. The rage quitting thing worked for us. Unfortunately for the half dozen of you who are hung up on playing space Barbie if you all get together and quit nobody will notice.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
682
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Posted - 2011.10.26 07:31:00 -
[532] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Agreed on the trolling, and yes these same points keep being brought up as new folks chime in.
As for the comment that WIS should be a distant thought for now, I can't get behind that one.
No offense, but I think now is the time for a small group of content designers to be thinking seriously about what the game plan (and game play) is going to be once they get to the point where they can think about starting work with it again.
I'm not talking a massive team, just those that specialize in the broad strokes... taking some time over the next few months to get their head around the concepts discussed in this thread and others... and figure out how to get things moving in the right direction without shooting themselves (and EVE's core game play) in the foot again.
They seriously need to set up a white board like they did for organizing their thoughts on the purpose and organization of Null Sec and establish some guidelines and goals, and define the lines they should never cross again.
I think this thread did serve a purpose, trolls aside. People on both sides of the debate found a bit of common ground, and most have acknowledged the sane points that were made on both sides.
That's pretty rare on this forum.
And perhaps, if/when WIS is looked at again in the future, this thread might just have some influence on the decisions that will be made. Anything that can help CCP to avoid causing anger on one side and disappointment on the other is a plus, however it turns out.
You know, I'm not opposed to your proposal at all. As people probably know by now my personal opposition to Incarna is NeX/MT + bad engine + no content.
If they have a tight group of designers go back and look at it again and perhaps base a redesign around a licensed unreal engine (to solve the performance/scaleability issue) - look for some genuine content (perhaps via crowdsourcing/focus groups/simple community polling) and ensure this content is delivered through player led industry (built by players for players) and there is no trace whatsoever of NeX/MT in the scheme then I for one could get behind some Incarna development in the medium term.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
150
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Posted - 2011.10.26 08:37:00 -
[533] - Quote
QwaarJet wrote:I never had any wish for WiS. Do not presume to speak for me Issler. If you did a community wide pole I guarantee that the majority would be against WiS. I hope it gets ditched completely.
I certainly never claimed to speak for you , whoever the "F" you are. I do see more folks in this thread for it than not, so go find someone else to wrongly claim is putting words in your virtual mouth on these forums.
A lot of folks want to have ambulation, at one time it seemed that CCP did too. WiS DOES NOT have to be tied to vampires, CCP could have decided to focus WoD resources on WiS which I think would make a lot of folks here in Eve happy.
So no idea what your post was intended to accomplish other than making the false claim I am trying to speak for folks that don't want WiS, I am trying to get other folks that want WiS to speak for themselves. This thread shows those folks exist.
Issler
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
135
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Posted - 2011.10.26 08:39:00 -
[534] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Agreed on the trolling, and yes these same points keep being brought up as new folks chime in.
As for the comment that WIS should be a distant thought for now, I can't get behind that one.
No offense, but I think now is the time for a small group of content designers to be thinking seriously about what the game plan (and game play) is going to be once they get to the point where they can think about starting work with it again.
I'm not talking a massive team, just those that specialize in the broad strokes... taking some time over the next few months to get their head around the concepts discussed in this thread and others... and figure out how to get things moving in the right direction without shooting themselves (and EVE's core game play) in the foot again.
They seriously need to set up a white board like they did for organizing their thoughts on the purpose and organization of Null Sec and establish some guidelines and goals, and define the lines they should never cross again.
I think this thread did serve a purpose, trolls aside. People on both sides of the debate found a bit of common ground, and most have acknowledged the sane points that were made on both sides.
That's pretty rare on this forum.
And perhaps, if/when WIS is looked at again in the future, this thread might just have some influence on the decisions that will be made. Anything that can help CCP to avoid causing anger on one side and disappointment on the other is a plus, however it turns out. You know, I'm not opposed to your proposal at all. As people probably know by now my personal opposition to Incarna is NeX/MT + bad engine + no content. If they have a tight group of designers go back and look at it again and perhaps base a redesign around a licensed unreal engine (to solve the performance/scaleability issue) - look for some genuine content (perhaps via crowdsourcing/focus groups/simple community polling) and ensure this content is delivered through player led industry (built by players for players) and there is no trace whatsoever of NeX/MT in the scheme then I for one could get behind some Incarna development in the medium term.
ding ding ding
Exactly. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
105
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:01:00 -
[535] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
I think this thread did serve a purpose, trolls aside. People on both sides of the debate found a bit of common ground, and most have acknowledged the sane points that were made on both sides.
I think this thread only served to highlight the number of male players out there that wanted to play with Barbie dolls than GI Joe when they were young but couldn't because of (sadly) expectations and established gender roles.
What's next? A lot of male players that wish that they could get pregnant? 10/19 2011 - never forget the 20%
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
150
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:05:00 -
[536] - Quote
Bomberlocks wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler Issler, it's nice that the hisec crowd have a voice in the form of your person, but unless you've been living under a particularly large rock, you may have noticed EVE's subs slipping by about 20% since last december and around 8% since June, when The Door(TM) was released. If CCP had continued working on Beyond The Door(TM), there's a very good chance that CCP would have gone down as a company by next year. If and when CCP manages to get all the stuff released that they've currently announced, and it's a LOT of stuff, as well as having finally iterated on and fixed nullsec, losec and FW, then I think there'll be leeway from the portion of the players who quit over The Door(TM). --Bomb
So Simple correction. While I might seem to be a "high sec" representative, that is not all that I am. I am one of the rare low sec dwellers. I know, a care bear low sec-er!!! How can that be?? I've been playing this as my main game for 7 years and have multiple accounts, I've been in the CSM twice, have caps of my own, lived in low sec, been part of two of the biggest null sec alliances to date. Other than building my own outpost (which I consider my personal end game) there isn't much in Eve I haven't done. I'm even one of the dozen or so people that have made Eve news make the main steam press. I'm not pointing that out for my ego, personally I wish the two incidents that made that happen wouldn't have. I'm just saying I know a little about Eve.
What I have chosen over the last couple of years would be to build what most folks would call a care bear alliance. I don't know why but that sort of cat herding is what I seem to enjoy the most. I continue to fight to try an create something in Eve that shows folks not falling into the easy path of finding your inner asshat you can act in a friendly and helpful way to other folks in Eve. Basically I'm one of the minority that still tries to live by NRDS. Can't say I always have success but I think in a lot of ways what I'm trying to accomplish is every bit has hard as 0.0 sov. Maybe, maybe not, but Eve is all about finding what YOU want to focus your time on.
So I started this thread after seeing player after player get tired of the limits of the pod and ships as the only part of the SciFi sim they thought they signed up for. I saw a lot of ex players come back when what CCP tried to pass off as Incarna was released. Very few stayed, not because there wasn't enough FiS, they left because they saw that CCP lied about ambulation and clearly was using Eve to pay for WoD and Dust. They left because they realized CCP was more interested in squeezing more cash from us in the NeX store than delivering the WiS experience that they have teased us with for nearly 5 years.
So as a person that I think I could make a case for that has committed more to Eve that 90% of the other players I believe the future success of Eve depends on showing us that this is a SciFi simulator and not just more ships of different sizes 'sploding each other in space. I firmly believe WiS needs to happen to save Eve because without it the player base will never grow beyond the peaks it has seen before.
I share that thought in these forums but when you characterize me or what I am trying to accomplish in this discussion please make sure you know of what you speak.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
153
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:23:00 -
[537] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I think this thread did serve a purpose, trolls aside. People on both sides of the debate found a bit of common ground, and most have acknowledged the sane points that were made on both sides.
I think this thread only served to highlight the number of male players out there that wanted to play with Barbie dolls than GI Joe when they were young but couldn't because of (sadly) expectations and established gender roles. What's next? A lot of male players that wish that they could get pregnant?
Not a male player and grew up with barbie dolls, certainly not what I think of when I think of what WiS should be. In fact until we get on the other side of the door all Incarna is is a Barbie simulator.
What this thread did show is how many folks don't have the slightest idea of where RP fits in MMOs and how badly CCP has failed to support that in Eve. How something as simple as WiS with a corp meeting room, an NPC in a recruiting office or as a mission agent or a bar to gather in would make Eve 10000% more immersive.
Some folks like to say such intellectually impressive comments like "go back to wow!" but I don't see Blizzard laying off 20% of their staff. Fact is Eve can make FiS 500% better and without WiS it stays a niche game and CCP will slowly die on the vine or eventually find a game that can appeal to a broader audience and Eve dies anyways.
Issler
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Nyla Skin
Special Taskforce
8
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:25:00 -
[538] - Quote
Posting in this thread to confirm that I did want walking in stations. |
Pent'nor
2
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:14:00 -
[539] - Quote
I never felt the need to post in forums before I read that last interview. If ccp does actually listen to these things, then I want to voice that I want WIS!
However the wis that I imagine is basically another game in itself, not just walking around and socializing. I don't care if it takes many more years to get to a point where it is possible to interact with wis on a scale like that, but I do want to know that there is a team working on it. I'd like to see a balance between the wis and fis development teams. I don't care about wod. I'm not paying ccp so they can make a different game for a different universe. I give them money because I like the eve universe and want to see it developed! ccp should think of incarna as a framework that can be reused in another game like wod, NOT make make wod which requires incarna.
I do eventually get bored with fis and then i'll jump to another game to have my avatar experience. Sometimes I keep my sub and sometimes I don't because I will only pay for one game at a time.
I believe in the ccp's vision with eve/dust and wis(incarna), however, I want to know that they are actively pursuing that vision. It was one that I found so amazing and aspiring that even if they do say it will take a few years for them to accomplish, that I will continue to give them my sub money, even if I'm not actively playing the game.
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URDEAD2ME
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
3
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:22:00 -
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screw WiS ,
FiS is what needs the work and ballance. |
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
21
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:36:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:
I think this thread only served to highlight the number of male players out there that wanted to play with Barbie dolls than GI Joe when they were young but couldn't because of (sadly) expectations and established gender roles.
What's next? A lot of male players that wish that they could get pregnant?
This character is modelled on two local people whom are involved in business. When I ended up with a Corp that I didn't want I realised that I had a name for a character because one of the two people whom this is modelled on runs a similar business to what the Corp was originally planned to do.
So, then it became a logical progression until Myfanwy was created. Similar things could be said of my two other characters.
And I see them as human, not male/female. At least I don't go around playing a snotty nosed orc as per other games.
I've read books where the protagonist was a different gender or even race to the author's. Does that mean that we should read somethign sinister into that? |
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:57:00 -
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Ghoest wrote: The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.
Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it.
How can you even know what is a minority and not, these forums are probably filled with trolls who like nothing less to cause hate and discontent, but to say that is the majority of EVE is probably not true.
i think empire has probably the biggest population and probably represents the biggest EVE player base, but they would probably be the minority on these forums. If true, then this would mean this forum is a bad indication of what represents the EVE player base.
Abandon WiS and you might keep most of the forum people happy, but i'm pretty confident that there are lot of people who have been looking forward to WiS for many years live in empire and are probably not really the people you see around trolling these forums.
We all know EVE is unique and not for everyone. Most people on the forum would probably agree with the statement that World of Warcraft sucks. Does that mean it's true? **** no, how can it, they have over 10 millions subscribers, how can that be a failure.
The question is, what does CCP want the end result of WiS to be.
1) They can make WiS true to EVE Online aka being able to be a bad boy/girl and beat up people and steal their NeX clothes and whatnot.
2) They can make WiS more like WoW, i'd call it, the rage of the trolls,forums would be filled with spam posts and tears. But if done right, it could potentially attract a HUGE amount of new players and more then compensate for the people leaving due to WoW online.
3) Abandon WiS, keeping focused on FiS.
2* being the biggest risk, but could potentially make the game a financial success or the biggest failure.
1* will probably keep the current player base relatively happy, people who don't like it just won't use it.
3* is a mistake imo, there are so many people i know who have been waiting for WiS, i think you would lose a lot of empire people over it, and i'd think the majority of the people spending time on the forum wouldn't mind that. |
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.10.26 12:01:00 -
[543] - Quote
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Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.10.26 12:02:00 -
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Ghoest
4
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Posted - 2011.10.26 12:18:00 -
[545] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Ghoest wrote: The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.
Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it. And yet the thread that is in support of the FiS only focus has something like 9 posts and 12 likes and this one is still active, 15 pages and has nearly 500 likes. You must have some other sort of sampling method for lack of support for WiS because honestly, I am seeing even more support than I could have hoped for in these forums. Issler
Ya - my sampling was the massive response players had when they realized CCP had spent the last 18 months not developing any new space ship and industry content.
You remember when about 25% of the players canceled subscriptions. We didnt play this game for years with the primary intent of funding the creation of barbi dolls in space.
Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
11
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Posted - 2011.10.26 12:20:00 -
[546] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:... So Simple correction. While I might seem to be a "high sec" representative, that is not all that I am. I am one of the rare low sec dwellers. I know, a care bear low sec-er!!! How can that be?? I've been playing this as my main game for 7 years and have multiple accounts, I've been in the CSM twice, have caps of my own, lived in low sec, been part of two of the biggest null sec alliances to date. Other than building my own outpost (which I consider my personal end game) there isn't much in Eve I haven't done. I'm even one of the dozen or so people that have made Eve news make the main steam press. I'm not pointing that out for my ego, personally I wish the two incidents that made that happen wouldn't have. I'm just saying I know a little about Eve.
What I have chosen over the last couple of years would be to build what most folks would call a care bear alliance. I don't know why but that sort of cat herding is what I seem to enjoy the most. I continue to fight to try an create something in Eve that shows folks not falling into the easy path of finding your inner asshat you can act in a friendly and helpful way to other folks in Eve. Basically I'm one of the minority that still tries to live by NRDS. Can't say I always have success but I think in a lot of ways what I'm trying to accomplish is every bit has hard as 0.0 sov. Maybe, maybe not, but Eve is all about finding what YOU want to focus your time on.
So I started this thread after seeing player after player get tired of the limits of the pod and ships as the only part of the SciFi sim they thought they signed up for. I saw a lot of ex players come back when what CCP tried to pass off as Incarna was released. Very few stayed, not because there wasn't enough FiS, they left because they saw that CCP lied about ambulation and clearly was using Eve to pay for WoD and Dust. They left because they realized CCP was more interested in squeezing more cash from us in the NeX store than delivering the WiS experience that they have teased us with for nearly 5 years.
So as a person that I think I could make a case for that has committed more to Eve that 90% of the other players I believe the future success of Eve depends on showing us that this is a SciFi simulator and not just more ships of different sizes 'sploding each other in space. I firmly believe WiS needs to happen to save Eve because without it the player base will never grow beyond the peaks it has seen before.
I share that thought in these forums but when you characterize me or what I am trying to accomplish in this discussion please make sure you know of what you speak.
Issler
That was quite a lot of words to avoid responding to the point, Issler. Whether you're a nullsec sovholder or hisec miner makes no difference: CCP was bleeding subs so heavily this year that they may very have had to shut down by next year had they not refocused on FiS. Since they have done that, the PCU numbers have started to climb again and the winter expansion, where a lot of the promised features and fixes will be rolled out, will tell whether it was the right or wrong business decision.
If CCP thinks they can save the business by focussing on FiS, then that is what they will do. CCP made some very bad business decisions in the past and their attempted money grabs in the form of :$99 dollah: and Monoclegate left them in a very weak state.
Winter will be the make or break expansion to see if the FiS features will bring back all the unsubbed bittervets, who are mostly still waiting for what-they-do-not-what-they-say.
And I say again, when and if business has picked up again, Dust has launched and there is a period of relative calm and satisfaction, then CCP will most likely go back to developing WiS, but until then WiS will remain the corpses of the pods that were popped using rebalanced Hybrids and T3 BCs. |
Ilkahn
United Aerospace Co-op
4
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Posted - 2011.10.26 13:27:00 -
[547] - Quote
Karadion wrote: It's called a life. Once I go out and kill people, do my industries, etc. I go out and enjoy life if there's nothing else for me to do. Are you some kind of hambeast where you don't ever leave your chair?
I walked out the door once 22 years ago.. the sky was on fire. I keep the drapes pulled firmly shut and check the TV everyday to see if that big firey spot in the sky has extenguised itself. I'm betting everyone in my town is now just a tiny pile of ash.... sigh.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
53
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Posted - 2011.10.26 13:55:00 -
[548] - Quote
I think that the whole point is:
CCP, struggle for the middle point!
Don't go from neglecting FiS to neglecting WiS.
Because FiS is seriously faulty to some people, and they may need WiS to get new gameplay.
A better FiS will preserve subscriptors, but won't atract them. Where EVE has got room to grow is on casual, solo and non-FiS content.
Personally, I have a hope that we may get something of WiS for the next expansion (Summer 2012). Also would like to see something in the lines of my signature, as i am growing bored and the existing gameplay doesn't helps to keep me in this game.
Also, once we get Incarna, it would be fine if it provided something like this: Suggested Incarna features So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no casual content... no solo content... no PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Dax Golem
Frozen Dawn Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 13:55:00 -
[549] - Quote
Impliment WiS with a poker room and I'm sold! Blind, leading the blind to war that has no sight, only sorrow. We know not if it were us that caused this or did we bring this upon our selfs by playing gods. Only the strong can survive in this sandbox that we call EVE. - Capt. Korm Shaloc |
Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
19
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Posted - 2011.10.26 13:58:00 -
[550] - Quote
I wouldn't ask for Spaceships in World of Warcraft.
I don't want pointless no-content Avatars in my Economic/Spaceship/Combat Simulator Game EVE.
If WiS can be developed, with real actual content, without hurting or slowing development os the space/economic portions of EVE, then by all means go right ahead.
But if WiS Development in any way disrupts, slows or interferes with FiS Development, then I would not prefer WiS at all.
To each their own. This is my view. EVE is not for Avatars. EVE is for Spaceships, Space Combat, A Semi-Sandbox and Economics. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
120
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Posted - 2011.10.26 14:04:00 -
[551] - Quote
Without reading all 20 pages of crap in this thread I just have this to say...
I have yet to see any Dev Blog or interview or anything that has stated CCP has shelved or stopped working on WiS. What I did read is that they are refocusing on EvE and FiS. Again I didn't see anything saying they have given up on either WiS or WoD. Unless someone has a link that specifically states otherwise I would take this to mean that they are still working on WiS as well as WoD but with less of a focus on them and more on EvE and Spaceships in Space.
I still fully expect to see a completed WiS and fully expect them to continue work on it. Not to do so would be a massive waste of time and resources already spent on it...especially when it is almost complete. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 14:10:00 -
[552] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Don't go from neglecting FiS to neglecting WiS.
Because FiS is seriously faulty to some people, and they may need WiS to get new gameplay.
A better FiS will preserve subscriptors, but won't atract them. Where EVE has got room to grow is on casual, solo and non-FiS content.
A good point. FiS needs to be repaired to stop the subscription rot. There is no doubt about that.
Since it could be argued that at the moment WiS has no real function they could turn it off and concentrate on the core of the FiS game.
If some time from now, be it one day, one week, one month or one year, the subscriptions rise and they have development funds to address WiS properly then I have, and never have had, issues with WiS.
The main problem with WiS is that it was badly planned. Yes, they may have had pipe-dreams for WiS but their strategic planning seemed to be non-existant. Heck, we can't even ambulate properly nor should the clothes become lycra shorts when walking.
If CCP sort this WiS mess out then all well and good. I have always had my doubts as to whether then can and will but, in the end. we shall see. I've always wanted to be the person in charge of a stargate, "Take that through here, guv, North of LoSec? This time of night? You're 'aving a larf, aren't you, guv?"
One day with WiS we may. But I doubt it. I've never opposed WiS but I doubt that it can be done and if it can't be done right then it should be dropped. if it adds and expands FiS then go for it. But only when FiS is fixed and there's more resources to go around.
And, no, I am not a WiS hater. Never have been. I am just doubting both that it can be delivered and that players will use what I image WiS should do fully. |
Qansh
Triskelion Ouroboros
19
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Posted - 2011.10.26 14:22:00 -
[553] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I think that the whole point is:
CCP, struggle for the middle point! Middle is my middle name and I endorse this sentiment wholeheartedly!
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Pent'nor
3
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Posted - 2011.10.26 14:29:00 -
[554] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Without reading all 20 pages of crap in this thread I just have this to say...
I have yet to see any Dev Blog or interview or anything that has stated CCP has shelved or stopped working on WiS. What I did read is that they are refocusing on EvE and FiS. Again I didn't see anything saying they have given up on either WiS or WoD. Unless someone has a link that specifically states otherwise I would take this to mean that they are still working on WiS as well as WoD but with less of a focus on them and more on EvE and Spaceships in Space.
I still fully expect to see a completed WiS and fully expect them to continue work on it. Not to do so would be a massive waste of time and resources already spent on it...especially when it is almost complete.
Eurogamer: Regarding Incarna, we were expecting to have the other Captain's Quarters by now, along with the first steps towards station Establishments. Is there still a development roadmap for Incarna?
Hilmar P+¬tursson: We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed. It also includes some optimisations and other fixes. I think the community has spoken loud and clear that they want more classical Eve features to come out, and that's the priority for us. Incarna is there, and we might pick it up at some point later down the line, but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to.
This is the part of the interview that got me thinking wis is done, which may mean forever because they seemed to be just making the incarna stuff as a testing platform for world of darkness. And as many fis ppl know, if ccp says something to the extent of yeah sure, we will fix that or add to it more later, that can mean never. I don't want them to stop developing for fis or wis. There should be some sort of balance between the two. Or at very least say we have a small team for wis, but the focus is on this winters expansion. After the winter expansion, (and if need be the dust release), i'd like to see a balance between the the two aspects of wis/fis. |
Devil's Call
Omega Legion XIII
693
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Posted - 2011.10.26 14:45:00 -
[555] - Quote
I'm almost ashamed to admit it with all the haters around, but I too like the idea of WiS.
I think it would be a nice addition to the game to be able to walk around in stations, playing some minigames, harrasing some WT's who dock in the same station, checking out some hot exotic dancers, trading some drugs, etc. I think it will be nice for the times that I am too lame to do anything and just 'sit' in a station playing the market a little.
Just my opinion. I know the haters think that it will actually ruin the game. (Because WiS will remove the ability to fly spaceships, and such.) |
Sturmwolke
30
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Posted - 2011.10.26 14:47:00 -
[556] - Quote
Qansh wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I think that the whole point is:
CCP, struggle for the middle point! Middle is my middle name and I endorse this sentiment wholeheartedly!
"Middle point" is what actually got them into this mess in the first place. When you chase 2-3 rabbits at the same time, you're not going to be very good at chasing each one of them. They need to be more focused in their strategies, with better aims that returns more solid value (that don't end up as ****).
Again, another EVE gameplay mechanic lesson. Recall the concept of min-maxing your ship's (weapon mix and tank) configuration? The middle-point don't get you the best returns.
P.S At this rate, we can start a class on "EVE Gameplay Mechanics 101 : How Does That Apply to the Real World" for CCP folks.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.26 15:16:00 -
[557] - Quote
op needs to go to second life online and demand for spaceships stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
120
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Posted - 2011.10.26 15:24:00 -
[558] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:op needs to go to second life online and demand for spaceships
You didn't even bother to read a single thing in this thread did you? Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Merlin Centarii
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 15:24:00 -
[559] - Quote
Seriously, quit whining. This game is about internet spaceships first and foremost. They can work on WiS, however when the focus went to WiS, this game went in the crapper. I don't care about spaceship barbie, if you want it fine, but i do want content for the game i pay for. NOT an add-on that strays from what i pay for. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.26 15:36:00 -
[560] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:op needs to go to second life online and demand for spaceships You didn't even bother to read a single thing in this thread did you?
boobies, that i can support stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 15:39:00 -
[561] - Quote
Merlin Centarii wrote:Seriously, quit whining. This game is about internet spaceships first and foremost. They can work on WiS, however when the focus went to WiS, this game went in the crapper. I don't care about spaceship barbie, if you want it fine, but i do want content for the game i pay for. NOT an add-on that strays from what i pay for.
lol well said,, for all you space barbie ballbags,, please click the following link.
>>>> CLICK ME FOR DRESS UP FUN <<<<
do have fun now |
T-Jay Charante
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.26 15:44:00 -
[562] - Quote
Merlin Centarii wrote:Seriously, quit whining. This game is about internet spaceships first and foremost. They can work on WiS, however when the focus went to WiS, this game went in the crapper. I don't care about spaceship barbie, if you want it fine, but i do want content for the game i pay for. NOT an add-on that strays from what i pay for.
Hey, quit whining y'all while I make my own whine post!
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
121
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:08:00 -
[563] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Agreed on the trolling, and yes these same points keep being brought up as new folks chime in.
As for the comment that WIS should be a distant thought for now, I can't get behind that one.
No offense, but I think now is the time for a small group of content designers to be thinking seriously about what the game plan (and game play) is going to be once they get to the point where they can think about starting work with it again.
I'm not talking a massive team, just those that specialize in the broad strokes... taking some time over the next few months to get their head around the concepts discussed in this thread and others... and figure out how to get things moving in the right direction without shooting themselves (and EVE's core game play) in the foot again.
They seriously need to set up a white board like they did for organizing their thoughts on the purpose and organization of Null Sec and establish some guidelines and goals, and define the lines they should never cross again.
I think this thread did serve a purpose, trolls aside. People on both sides of the debate found a bit of common ground, and most have acknowledged the sane points that were made on both sides.
That's pretty rare on this forum.
And perhaps, if/when WIS is looked at again in the future, this thread might just have some influence on the decisions that will be made. Anything that can help CCP to avoid causing anger on one side and disappointment on the other is a plus, however it turns out. You know, I'm not opposed to your proposal at all. As people probably know by now my personal opposition to Incarna is NeX/MT + bad engine + no content. If they have a tight group of designers go back and look at it again and perhaps base a redesign around a licensed unreal engine
Theyre using Unreal 3 for Dust... why not scrap the unusable engine they have now and use that here too? Tie WiS development with Dust rather than tying WiS development with WoD (as thats just as dead as it gets)
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
121
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:14:00 -
[564] - Quote
Valari Nala Zena wrote:Ghoest wrote: The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.
Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it. How can you even know what is a minority and not, these forums are probably filled with trolls who like nothing less to cause hate and discontent
no offense, but I group people that want CCP to continue work on WiS in that group. CCP got DAMAGED AS A COMPANY in part because of the failure of this product. Its not THAT incredibly surprising theyre backing off is it? You put your hand on a hot stove. Do you a.) take your hand away and not do that again b.) keep it there because something good may come of it later ?
As Ive said before, CCP needs time to HEAL as a company before they do anything other than FiS. Let them heal ffs. Unless you would rather not have the company making the game and you somehow think youll still have your mini game?
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Astor Daeoli
Eye of God
9
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:19:00 -
[565] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Valari Nala Zena wrote:Ghoest wrote: The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.
Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it. How can you even know what is a minority and not, these forums are probably filled with trolls who like nothing less to cause hate and discontent no offense, but I group people that want CCP to continue work on WiS in that group. CCP got DAMAGED AS A COMPANY in part because of the failure of this product. Its not THAT incredibly surprising theyre backing off is it? You put your hand on a hot stove. Do you a.) take your hand away and not do that again b.) keep it there because something good may come of it later ? As Ive said before, CCP needs time to HEAL as a company before they do anything other than FiS. Let them heal ffs. Unless you would rather not have the company making the game and you somehow think youll still have your mini game?
a. CCP take you hand away from the WiS hot stove NOW |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
121
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:19:00 -
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Bomberlocks wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:... So Simple correction. While I might seem to be a "high sec" representative, that is not all that I am. I am one of the rare low sec dwellers. I know, a care bear low sec-er!!! How can that be?? I've been playing this as my main game for 7 years and have multiple accounts, I've been in the CSM twice, have caps of my own, lived in low sec, been part of two of the biggest null sec alliances to date. Other than building my own outpost (which I consider my personal end game) there isn't much in Eve I haven't done. I'm even one of the dozen or so people that have made Eve news make the main steam press. I'm not pointing that out for my ego, personally I wish the two incidents that made that happen wouldn't have. I'm just saying I know a little about Eve.
What I have chosen over the last couple of years would be to build what most folks would call a care bear alliance. I don't know why but that sort of cat herding is what I seem to enjoy the most. I continue to fight to try an create something in Eve that shows folks not falling into the easy path of finding your inner asshat you can act in a friendly and helpful way to other folks in Eve. Basically I'm one of the minority that still tries to live by NRDS. Can't say I always have success but I think in a lot of ways what I'm trying to accomplish is every bit has hard as 0.0 sov. Maybe, maybe not, but Eve is all about finding what YOU want to focus your time on.
So I started this thread after seeing player after player get tired of the limits of the pod and ships as the only part of the SciFi sim they thought they signed up for. I saw a lot of ex players come back when what CCP tried to pass off as Incarna was released. Very few stayed, not because there wasn't enough FiS, they left because they saw that CCP lied about ambulation and clearly was using Eve to pay for WoD and Dust. They left because they realized CCP was more interested in squeezing more cash from us in the NeX store than delivering the WiS experience that they have teased us with for nearly 5 years.
So as a person that I think I could make a case for that has committed more to Eve that 90% of the other players I believe the future success of Eve depends on showing us that this is a SciFi simulator and not just more ships of different sizes 'sploding each other in space. I firmly believe WiS needs to happen to save Eve because without it the player base will never grow beyond the peaks it has seen before.
I share that thought in these forums but when you characterize me or what I am trying to accomplish in this discussion please make sure you know of what you speak.
Issler
That was quite a lot of words to avoid responding to the point, Issler. Whether you're a nullsec sovholder or hisec miner makes no difference: CCP was bleeding subs so heavily this year that they may very have had to shut down by next year had they not refocused on FiS. Since they have done that, the PCU numbers have started to climb again and the winter expansion, where a lot of the promised features and fixes will be rolled out, will tell whether it was the right or wrong business decision. If CCP thinks they can save the business by focussing on FiS, then that is what they will do. CCP made some very bad business decisions in the past and their attempted money grabs in the form of :$99 dollah: and Monoclegate left them in a very weak state. Winter will be the make or break expansion to see if the FiS features will bring back all the unsubbed bittervets, who are mostly still waiting for what-they-do-not-what-they-say. And I say again, when and if business has picked up again, Dust has launched and there is a period of relative calm and satisfaction, then CCP will most likely go back to developing WiS, but until then WiS will remain the corpses of the pods that were popped using rebalanced Hybrids and T3 BCs.
THIS
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Because FiS is seriously faulty to some people,
Yeah FIXING IT wouldnt help at all
Alistair Cononach wrote:I wouldn't ask for Spaceships in World of Warcraft.
I don't want pointless no-content Avatars in my Economic/Spaceship/Combat Simulator Game EVE.
If WiS can be developed, with real actual content, without hurting or slowing development os the space/economic portions of EVE, then by all means go right ahead.
But if WiS Development in any way disrupts, slows or interferes with FiS Development, then I would not prefer WiS at all.
To each their own. This is my view. EVE is not for Avatars. EVE is for Spaceships, Space Combat, A Semi-Sandbox and Economics.
This as well Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
121
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:27:00 -
[567] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Without reading all 20 pages of crap in this thread I just have this to say...
I have yet to see any Dev Blog or interview or anything that has stated CCP has shelved or stopped working on WiS. What I did read is that they are refocusing on EvE and FiS. Again I didn't see anything saying they have given up on either WiS or WoD. Unless someone has a link that specifically states otherwise I would take this to mean that they are still working on WiS as well as WoD but with less of a focus on them and more on EvE and Spaceships in Space.
I still fully expect to see a completed WiS and fully expect them to continue work on it. Not to do so would be a massive waste of time and resources already spent on it...especially when it is almost complete.
pg 19 I believe is what all the "doom and gloom" (lol) is about:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=258244#post258244 Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
122
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:34:00 -
[568] - Quote
Quote:"If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both." - Native American saying
If you plan ahead properly and build a good trap, you catch them all without having to chase any. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:40:00 -
[569] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:"If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both." - Native American saying
If you plan ahead properly and build a good trap, you catch them all without having to chase any. Yes but planning ahead was obviously the trap in this case Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:45:00 -
[570] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:boobies, that i can support
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Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:57:00 -
[571] - Quote
So CCP... Incarna was one of your lies too? Nice... Just keep promising thing that you will not keep... thats soo good for players confidence in you and business... |
Borun Tal
Space Pods Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 18:31:00 -
[572] - Quote
If you want to see a toon dressed up in gay NeX gear walking beside other toons dressed in gay NeX gear, I recommend WoW. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
21
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Posted - 2011.10.26 18:54:00 -
[573] - Quote
Quote:"If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both." - Native American saying
"Don't put all your money on one horse." -- Ranka Mei's First Rule Of Doing Prudent Business.
N.B. For those who didn't get it: don't do either exclusively FiS or WiS.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.26 18:54:00 -
[574] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Agreed on the trolling, and yes these same points keep being brought up as new folks chime in.
As for the comment that WIS should be a distant thought for now, I can't get behind that one.
No offense, but I think now is the time for a small group of content designers to be thinking seriously about what the game plan (and game play) is going to be once they get to the point where they can think about starting work with it again.
I'm not talking a massive team, just those that specialize in the broad strokes... taking some time over the next few months to get their head around the concepts discussed in this thread and others... and figure out how to get things moving in the right direction without shooting themselves (and EVE's core game play) in the foot again.
They seriously need to set up a white board like they did for organizing their thoughts on the purpose and organization of Null Sec and establish some guidelines and goals, and define the lines they should never cross again.
I think this thread did serve a purpose, trolls aside. People on both sides of the debate found a bit of common ground, and most have acknowledged the sane points that were made on both sides.
That's pretty rare on this forum.
And perhaps, if/when WIS is looked at again in the future, this thread might just have some influence on the decisions that will be made. Anything that can help CCP to avoid causing anger on one side and disappointment on the other is a plus, however it turns out. You know, I'm not opposed to your proposal at all. As people probably know by now my personal opposition to Incarna is NeX/MT + bad engine + no content. If they have a tight group of designers go back and look at it again and perhaps base a redesign around a licensed unreal engine Theyre using Unreal 3 for Dust... why not scrap the unusable engine they have now and use that here too? Tie WiS development with Dust rather than tying WiS development with WoD (as thats just as dead as it gets)
Yikes! I totally agree with you! :-)
That totally makes sense because Dust is intended to be tied to Eve, Vampires, not so much.
Issler
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AJ Yaga
Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:07:00 -
[575] - Quote
Montevius Williams wrote:I think most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented. This tbh
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
168
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:15:00 -
[576] - Quote
Some key points I think were misrepresented by some of the posters.
1. We lost a lot of subs, that was not just in protest of WiS.
-It was a reaction to a lame single room/player WiS -The golden ammo microtransaction face plant that is Nex (which is still here by the way) -Stagnant FiS and rage over what had clearly been CCP sucking Eve dry while using that cash to build two other games -Burnout when it became clear that nothing "new" can be expected in Eve anytime soon -CCP's clear disconnect with NeX pricing and the greed is good leaked newsletter (monocolegate)
2. CCP describes Eve as a Scifi simulator, not a space combat game.
3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better.
4. There is now way to know what percentage of folks in Eve want FiS only, Wis, Wis and FiS, a fox in a box or a train. But clearly to say no one in Eve wants WiS is simply wrong.
5. WiS is not space barbies, it is key to RP and emmersiveness and the community has already shared a number of ideas that would make WiS interesting to many folks in Eve.
6. WiS can be decoupled from WoD. Branch the code and move the team on WoD to WiS. CCP can come back to WoD when they get the increase in Eve subscriptions delivering ambulation creates.
Issler |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
21
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:20:00 -
[577] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Some key points I think were misrepresented by some of the posters.
1. We lost a lot of subs, that was not just in protest of WiS.
-It was a reaction to a lame single room/player WiS -The golden ammo microtransaction face plant that is Nex (which is still here by the way) -Stagnant FiS and rage over what had clearly been CCP sucking Eve dry while using that cash to build two other games -Burnout when it became clear that nothing "new" can be expected in Eve anytime soon -CCP's clear disconnect with NeX pricing and the greed is good leaked newsletter (monocolegate)
2. CCP describes Eve as a Scifi simulator, not a space combat game.
3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better.
4. There is now way to know what percentage of folks in Eve want FiS only, Wis, Wis and FiS, a fox in a box or a train. But clearly to say no one in Eve wants WiS is simply wrong.
5. WiS is not space barbies, it is key to RP and emmersiveness and the community has already shared a number of ideas that would make WiS interesting to many folks in Eve.
6. WiS can be decoupled from WoD. Branch the code and move the team on WoD to WiS. CCP can come back to WoD when they get the increase in Eve subscriptions delivering ambulation creates.
Issler
QFT.
You make good posts. :)
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
500
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:21:00 -
[578] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: 5. WiS is not space barbies, it is key to RP and emmersiveness and the community has already shared a number of ideas that would make WiS interesting to many folks in Eve.
Roleplayers are horrible people. CCP shouldn't be doing anything to encourage them.
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Qansh
Triskelion Ouroboros
19
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:37:00 -
[579] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: 5. WiS is not space barbies, it is key to RP and emmersiveness and the community has already shared a number of ideas that would make WiS interesting to many folks in Eve.
Roleplayers are horrible people. CCP shouldn't be doing anything to encourage them. But you're roleplaying right now in order to get a reaction, right?
Now, if you'd just redirect that instinct into roleplaying in the game so as to aid other players' immersion (the feeling you get while watching a good movie), then you'd have the gist of it.
But I do think you're on the right track, Skunk. You just have to expand your r+¬pertoire a bit.
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
502
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:40:00 -
[580] - Quote
Qansh wrote:But you're roleplaying right now in order to get a reaction, right? Nope.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:41:00 -
[581] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: 3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better. Issler
Well there were ppl saying exactly that in this thread. I think they got pruned tho.
But when the devs tell you they cant support spreading themselves out and THATS why theyre focussing on EVE, telling them to work on WiS anyways is telling them to do more damage at this point. Thats why I keep saying (loudly) let the company heal and THEN get back to WiS
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Qansh
Triskelion Ouroboros
19
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:41:00 -
[582] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Qansh wrote:But you're roleplaying right now in order to get a reaction, right? Nope. Bravo. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:42:00 -
[583] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: 5. WiS is not space barbies, it is key to RP and emmersiveness and the community has already shared a number of ideas that would make WiS interesting to many folks in Eve.
Goons are horrible people. CCP shouldn't be doing anything to encourage them.
fixt Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
122
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:49:00 -
[584] - Quote
Qansh wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Qansh wrote:But you're roleplaying right now in order to get a reaction, right? Nope. Bravo.
He also crafted his avatar to look identical to the archtypical man of few words, Lee Majors... which makes him:
1) A role player 2) A horrible person.
Come out of the closet Skunk, and no, I'm not taking about your CQ. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
21
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:53:00 -
[585] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: 3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better. Issler
Well there were ppl saying exactly that in this thread. I think they got pruned tho. But when the devs tell you they cant support spreading themselves out and THATS why theyre focussing on EVE, telling them to work on WiS anyways is telling them to do more damage at this point. Thats why I keep saying (loudly) let the company heal and THEN get back to WiS
And I'm saying: CCP only turned half-way. Instead of holding on to WoD, they should have taken the ultimate consequence of realizing you're spread too thin: spreading yourself less thin; which is to say, letting go of WoD. Then they could have put the team assigned to WoD entirely on the further development of WiS, wihout taking any resources, personnel-wise, off of EVE. And it would have made perfect sense too, as the WoD folks were essentially already working on WiS like code.
And you know what?! They could still do that! *wink*
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
685
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:58:00 -
[586] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Some key points I think were misrepresented by some of the posters.
1. We lost a lot of subs, that was not just in protest of WiS.
-It was a reaction to a lame single room/player WiS -The golden ammo microtransaction face plant that is Nex (which is still here by the way) -Stagnant FiS and rage over what had clearly been CCP sucking Eve dry while using that cash to build two other games -Burnout when it became clear that nothing "new" can be expected in Eve anytime soon -CCP's clear disconnect with NeX pricing and the greed is good leaked newsletter (monocolegate)
2. CCP describes Eve as a Scifi simulator, not a space combat game.
3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better.
4. There is now way to know what percentage of folks in Eve want FiS only, Wis, Wis and FiS, a fox in a box or a train. But clearly to say no one in Eve wants WiS is simply wrong.
5. WiS is not space barbies, it is key to RP and emmersiveness and the community has already shared a number of ideas that would make WiS interesting to many folks in Eve.
6. WiS can be decoupled from WoD. Branch the code and move the team on WoD to WiS. CCP can come back to WoD when they get the increase in Eve subscriptions delivering ambulation creates.
Issler
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD POST ! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:01:00 -
[587] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: 3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better. Issler
Well there were ppl saying exactly that in this thread. I think they got pruned tho. But when the devs tell you they cant support spreading themselves out and THATS why theyre focussing on EVE, telling them to work on WiS anyways is telling them to do more damage at this point. Thats why I keep saying (loudly) let the company heal and THEN get back to WiS And I'm saying: CCP only turned half-way. Instead of holding on to WoD, they should have taken the ultimate consequence of realizing you're spread too thin: spreading yourself less thin; which is to say, letting go of WoD. Then they could have put the team assigned to WoD entirely on the further development of WiS, wihout taking any resources, personnel-wise, off of EVE. And it would have made perfect sense too, as the WoD folks were essentially already working on WiS like code. And you know what?! They could still do that! *wink*
lol I think I said that before too
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:02:00 -
[588] - Quote
In case CCP doesn't really know what direction to go with WiS, it would probably not be a bad idea to make a POLL about it.
Send a link to that POLL to every highest SP toon ingame mail or maybe even better, a simple advertisement link on the EVE main screen to attract attention to the subject.
People that wish to voice their opinion about WiS, good or bad, can just click the link.
The results of that should give CCP a pretty good idea of what most people in EVE actually want. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:08:00 -
[589] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: 3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better. Issler
Well there were ppl saying exactly that in this thread. I think they got pruned tho. But when the devs tell you they cant support spreading themselves out and THATS why theyre focussing on EVE, telling them to work on WiS anyways is telling them to do more damage at this point. Thats why I keep saying (loudly) let the company heal and THEN get back to WiS And I'm saying: CCP only turned half-way. Instead of holding on to WoD, they should have taken the ultimate consequence of realizing you're spread too thin: spreading yourself less thin; which is to say, letting go of WoD. Then they could have put the team assigned to WoD entirely on the further development of WiS, wihout taking any resources, personnel-wise, off of EVE. And it would have made perfect sense too, as the WoD folks were essentially already working on WiS like code. And you know what?! They could still do that! *wink*
Mine's a little harsher but yeah
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
I know its hard, but Im not trying to troll, it just looks kinda obvious to me that if WiS wasnt the disposable bit here, theyd have repurposed code and content guys from WoD to WiS after they decided to refocus. Coding monkeys from WoD could work in EVE's WiS stuff given theyre supposedly both running on the same engine yes? So why didnt they? I get the money and that rather huge loan coming due, but they could have made the cut more broader and kept the WoD talent. Youd think those guys would be gold, working on JUST WiS style content, as I dont see any other kind of content being put in WoD. SO, they gut the WoD devs and stop working on WiS. Looks pretty damn obvious what theyre planning
An yea, they still could but Im thinking the contract they signed merging with White Wolf has to play SOME kind of factor here, otherwise why the hell DID they keep ppl working on a game that will never see the light of day at this point? Theyre just wasting money :p
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
21
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:10:00 -
[590] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote: lol I think I said that before too
LOL. Yes, seems you did. :)
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:12:00 -
[591] - Quote
Valari Nala Zena wrote:In case CCP doesn't really know what direction to go with WiS, it would probably not be a bad idea to make a POLL about it.
Send a link to that POLL to every highest SP toon ingame mail or maybe even better, a simple advertisement link on the EVE main screen to attract attention to the subject.
People that wish to voice their opinion about WiS, good or bad, can just click the link.
The results of that should give CCP a pretty good idea of what most people in EVE actually want.
yeah.... no you do that an you might as well just take a poll of 0.0 Then again, what use do 0.0 guys have for WiS? Unless they decide to make WiS for POSes too Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
12
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:14:00 -
[592] - Quote
CCP has a major problem right now and that is - What is EVE?
For as long as I have played I have understood EVE to be a Sci Fi sim, however there is a group in EVE that only likes the Spaceship part of EVE. For the longest time it didn't matter as all of EVE was simply Spaceships as our avatar. Unfortunately CCP completely forgot what EVE was about and started doing things for money not for a purpose. Because of this loss of identity CCP screwed up majorly and they started to lose subs for the first time. Panic has ensued and CCP desperate to stop the bleeding quickly made some rash decisions. They listened to the loudest complaints and figured if they fixed that it would mollify people.
IMO they are making a huge mistake in doing this, they are still lost and the identity of EVE is in danger of being reduced to - A space ship game. EVE is so much more and they need to remember what EVE is or they will continue to lose subs.
If you ask how is EVE more than FiS look to EveGÇÖs past and see. - EVE is an economic game. They once hired an economist to show people how things were going in Eve. He was supposed to put out a quarterly newsletter telling us how things where being shaped economically. Now we are lucky to have him speak up once a year if that. - Eve is an industrial game. Originally they stated that all things should be made by the players and worked to slowly remove all items from being sold only by NPC's. Then they said hey we can make money and the NEX was born removing what they promised would be a feature of more goods being able to be created by players.
By turning away from WiS they are doing much of the same, they are forgetting the principle that Eve is a Sci Fi sim and more than just FiS.
Eve needs to remember what it is and what itGÇÖs goal are or they are going to cause more harm than good with the fixes they are trying to implement to GÇ£stop the bleedingGÇ¥
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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
21
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:15:00 -
[593] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote: An yea, they still could but Im thinking the contract they signed merging with White Wolf has to play SOME kind of factor here, otherwise why the hell DID they keep ppl working on a game that will never see the light of day at this point? Theyre just wasting money :p
Yeah, it's gotta be a legal issue, as I can't possibly see any viable future for WoD (except maybe to cannibalize it for useful bits of code for WiS; you know, put the shoe on the other goose, for a change).
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:25:00 -
[594] - Quote
Mekela wrote: If you ask how is EVE more than FiS look to EveGÇÖs past and see. - EVE is an economic game. They once hired an economist to show people how things were going in Eve. He was supposed to put out a quarterly newsletter telling us how things where being shaped economically. Now we are lucky to have him speak up once a year if that. - Eve is an industrial game. Originally they stated that all things should be made by the players and worked to slowly remove all items from being sold only by NPC's. Then they said hey we can make money and the NEX was born removing what they promised would be a feature of more goods being able to be created by players.
k... how is that related to WiS? Economist: standing in your CQ selling and buying? I can see where the RP element would like it but yeah... Industrialist: youre damn sure not going out there yourself to mine
explain please
Plus, EVE is a spaceships game. Spaceships are what they use to advertise it at lease. Look at the "I was there" vid. Was that about walking around in a station, playing poker, etc? No, it was about spaceships blowing each other up.
CCP knows this is a spaceships game, otherwise they WOULD be focussing on WiS instead of the rest of EVE.
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
CyberRaver
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:27:00 -
[595] - Quote
WIS and the whole dressing up idea is terrible, eve is about epic space battles and tales of yarr and woe, Keep it as FIS and let the people that wanna play dress up go back to wow |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
12
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:35:00 -
[596] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Mekela wrote: If you ask how is EVE more than FiS look to EveGÇÖs past and see. - EVE is an economic game. They once hired an economist to show people how things were going in Eve. He was supposed to put out a quarterly newsletter telling us how things where being shaped economically. Now we are lucky to have him speak up once a year if that. - Eve is an industrial game. Originally they stated that all things should be made by the players and worked to slowly remove all items from being sold only by NPC's. Then they said hey we can make money and the NEX was born removing what they promised would be a feature of more goods being able to be created by players.
k... how is that related to WiS? Economist: standing in your CQ selling and buying? I can see where the RP element would like it but yeah... Industrialist: youre damn sure not going out there yourself to mine explain please Plus, EVE is a spaceships game. Spaceships are what they use to advertise it at lease. Look at the "I was there" vid. Was that about walking around in a station, playing poker, etc? No, it was about spaceships blowing each other up. CCP knows this is a spaceships game, otherwise they WOULD be focussing on WiS instead of the rest of EVE.
This is the fight that has been created - Tell what vid could you show that isn't a spaceship. Please read my whole post, just because all people were able to do was fly about in a spaceship did not mean thats all EVE is and was. Look at the future of EVE advertisement. That is what EVE is suposed to become. If CCP thinks that all EVE can be is a spaceship game then it has pretty much decided to go against its own mission statement and if that is true EVE is going to continue to bleed till it determines to either create a new mission for EVE or return to the orginal mission.
From what I see you are in the camp "EVE is only FiS" I feel bad for EVE if they decided to follow your route as it severly limits what they can do and where EVE is going. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
22
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:39:00 -
[597] - Quote
Mekela wrote: IMO they are making a huge mistake in doing this, they are still lost and the identity of EVE is in danger of being reduced to - A space ship game. EVE is so much more and they need to remember what EVE is or they will continue to lose subs.
Indeed. There's not much love for Hilmar going around these days, but if you look at things from a distance, it's clear where part of his frustration is coming from: EVE could indeed be so much more! Right now, EVE is a space game, and a game of economy, and a game of industry. Yet only the space part really enjoys a visual component, which is a shame, as 'visualizing' the other aspects of the game would no doubt greatly add to it.
Where things got awry, is when Hilmar got wise to the whole in-game merchandizing schpiel. He was not even wrong in realizing the game industry is moving in that direction. Alas, he got greedy, figured he could sell $80 monocles, and cash in overnight. And then he made his second mistake: coupling the merchandizing idea (the NeX store) to Incarna, to the degree of pushing out Incarna, at all cost, just to be a showcase for virtual goods at Needlessly eXpensive prices.
And now people have a hard time separating their hatred for the NeX store from the idea of Incarna -- especially since Incarna was released without actual content (and no, NeX store items are not content, lol). I nonetheless remain steadfast in my belief that WiS has the potential to greatly enhance the game, and should not be abandoned haphazardly.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
123
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:41:00 -
[598] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: An yea, they still could but Im thinking the contract they signed merging with White Wolf has to play SOME kind of factor here, otherwise why the hell DID they keep ppl working on a game that will never see the light of day at this point? Theyre just wasting money :p
Yeah, it's gotta be a legal issue, as I can't possibly see any viable future for WoD (except maybe to cannibalize it for useful bits of code for WiS; you know, put the shoe on the other goose, for a change).
I imagine there is some truth in this. No doubt there are legal issues involved.
However, I imagine the larger issues are twofold:
1: From a PR perspective they need to distance themselves from other projects. At this stage in the game they can't really distance themselves from DUST anyway, it ties in more directly with EVE, and has a less direct connection with the red headed step child Incarna (not really, but people seem to think this). PR wise WOD is the logical choice to step away from.
2: From a financial perspective DUST stands to bring in an influx of income much, much faster than WOD could hope to, it is much closer to release (beta in a month or so). If it does well, in conjuction with stemming subscription bleed (and perhaps starting EVE's usual slow and steady subcription increases), this would go a long way towards fulfilling their current fiancial obligations and securing new funding to work on WOD at a later date.
This time if they are smart they will keep their mouths closed about sharing tech between EVE and WOD. Some people irrationally feel EVE proceeds should never be used to fund other projects, and it would also give the impression (again) that EVE has become nothing more than a test bed for WOD.
They need to keep any shared tech between the two games confidential, which is ironic considering we want them to be more open with us. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
135
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:41:00 -
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Eve online is a game about pilots and captains, flying spaceships. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
123
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:46:00 -
[600] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Eve online is a game about pilots and captains, flying spaceships.
Who are you and what have you done with Mother? To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
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Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
15
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:47:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Some key points I think were misrepresented by some of the posters.
1. We lost a lot of subs, that was not just in protest of WiS.
-It was a reaction to a lame single room/player WiS -The golden ammo microtransaction face plant that is Nex (which is still here by the way) -Stagnant FiS and rage over what had clearly been CCP sucking Eve dry while using that cash to build two other games -Burnout when it became clear that nothing "new" can be expected in Eve anytime soon -CCP's clear disconnect with NeX pricing and the greed is good leaked newsletter (monocolegate)
2. CCP describes Eve as a Scifi simulator, not a space combat game.
3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better.
4. There is now way to know what percentage of folks in Eve want FiS only, Wis, Wis and FiS, a fox in a box or a train. But clearly to say no one in Eve wants WiS is simply wrong.
5. WiS is not space barbies, it is key to RP and emmersiveness and the community has already shared a number of ideas that would make WiS interesting to many folks in Eve.
6. WiS can be decoupled from WoD. Branch the code and move the team on WoD to WiS. CCP can come back to WoD when they get the increase in Eve subscriptions delivering ambulation creates.
Issler Issler, I hate to say this, but you're starting to sound like a stuck record. But ok, let us say CCP stops working on FiS and goes back to working on WiS. Do you think CCP would survive the subsequent mass unsubbing (again)? You're not on the CSM, although you were and wanted to be again, and I presume you know a fair few people who know what the loss of subs really were. Go ahead, ask them whether they think that neglecting FiS in place of Wis again would be a good idea. |
Envoy Achates
Safe Harbour Shipyards
8
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:48:00 -
[602] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Eve online is a game about pilots and captains, flying spaceships. decided to come back after you little hissy-fit, did you?
god bless the "block worthless poster" function on the new forums. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
14
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:52:00 -
[603] - Quote
when "a lot of us" wanted something there was 500 pages thread monster with half mill of hits that's "a lot of us" not OP 3-4 friends with 2 alt each .
WIS is me stepping down from ship in busy station market area with 2 rapid fire cyber desert eagles uber guns, having image and location of drug lord/slave trader/who ever projected in my left eye while wearing minmatar desert style cape with hood wearing alien4 stile army boots.
racing in high speed domes with who knows what,watching giant robots filling your tempest with ammo hell jogging in hover boots in weird station interior etc.
WiS in not having lack of emo face barbies with boob jobs playing poker with stiffed dudes running two loop animation total.
its just not worth time nor money that's not eve that's poker in room with avatars.
I will skip NeX joke due to puke reflex i have from it, |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:53:00 -
[604] - Quote
Bomberlocks wrote: Issler, I hate to say this, but you're starting to sound like a stuck record. But ok, let us say CCP stops working on FiS and goes back to working on WiS.
There ya go again: setting this up as if it's about WiS vs. FiS. It isn't. Never was. There is some concern, however, from the way Hilmar spoke in the eurogamer interview, that CCP has chosen to pretty much abandon WiS altogether. And I, and many others with me, are asking CCP to reconsider.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
13
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:03:00 -
[605] - Quote
Here is a simple question - how many of you loved "Clear Skies"? Why did you like it? Was it only because of the space ship parts? How cool would it be if we could do the things that they did in the movie?
This is what EVE could be. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
510
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:07:00 -
[606] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Bomberlocks wrote: Issler, I hate to say this, but you're starting to sound like a stuck record. But ok, let us say CCP stops working on FiS and goes back to working on WiS.
There ya go again: setting this up as if it's about WiS vs. FiS. The space barbie fetishists are making it that way. CCP never said WiS was dead just that they were going to focus on Eve's core gameplay which is internet spaceships. If they can work on both without the core gameplay suffering then that would be great but that's not what they were doing...they neglected Eve and have now made a commitment to focus on it. Let them fix the game and *then* add space barbie.
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Ilkahn
United Aerospace Co-op
6
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:12:00 -
[607] - Quote
Dax Golem wrote:Impliment WiS with a poker room and I'm sold!
Ditto !! It's really that simple. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:26:00 -
[608] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote: CCP never said WiS was dead just that they were going to focus on Eve's core gameplay which is internet spaceships. If they can work on both without the core gameplay suffering then that would be great but that's not what they were doing...they neglected Eve and have now made a commitment to focus on it. Let them fix the game and *then* add space barbie.
Come to think of it, the problem is even deeper. Basically CCP's marketing people have convinced the brass that they need to release a major new Expansion every 6 months or so, or watch the game die. And this has been going on for quite a while. The result? More and more half-implemented and/or buggy features wind up left unattended, as they are being starved at each new expansion. This effect has accumulated over time; and if you think about it, has actually scaringly little to do with Incarna per se.
It has been argued that marketing folks should never be allowed to make direct, unsupervised decisions that affect the real world. And I agree. If CCP were to ever put up a poll about this, you'd be surprised how many people don't mind not gettng something new each time, but rather see old things fixed first. In that light, I can understand CCP wanting to fix old things first... except they're already talking about countless new FiS stuff. Maybe they haven't fully gotten it yet? :)
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:33:00 -
[609] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: CCP never said WiS was dead just that they were going to focus on Eve's core gameplay which is internet spaceships. If they can work on both without the core gameplay suffering then that would be great but that's not what they were doing...they neglected Eve and have now made a commitment to focus on it. Let them fix the game and *then* add space barbie.
Come to think of it, the problem is even deeper. Basically CCP's marketing people have convinced the brass that they need to release a major new Expansion every 6 months or so, or watch the game die. And this has been going on for quite a while. The result? More and more half-implemented and/or buggy features wind up left unattended, as they are being starved at each new expansion. This effect has accumulated over time; and if you think about it, has actually scaringly little to do with Incarna per se. It has been argued that marketing folks should never be allowed to make direct, unsupervised decisions that affect the real world. And I agree. If CCP were to ever put up a poll about this, you'd be surprised how many people don't mind not gettng something new each time, but rather see old things fixed first. In that light, I can understand CCP wanting to fix old things first... except they're already talking about countless new FiS stuff. Maybe they haven't fully gotten it yet? :) That actually is a good point. Marketing people are almost as bad as roleplayers.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
123
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:43:00 -
[610] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: CCP never said WiS was dead just that they were going to focus on Eve's core gameplay which is internet spaceships. If they can work on both without the core gameplay suffering then that would be great but that's not what they were doing...they neglected Eve and have now made a commitment to focus on it. Let them fix the game and *then* add space barbie.
Come to think of it, the problem is even deeper. Basically CCP's marketing people have convinced the brass that they need to release a major new Expansion every 6 months or so, or watch the game die. And this has been going on for quite a while. The result? More and more half-implemented and/or buggy features wind up left unattended, as they are being starved at each new expansion. This effect has accumulated over time; and if you think about it, has actually scaringly little to do with Incarna per se. It has been argued that marketing folks should never be allowed to make direct, unsupervised decisions that affect the real world. And I agree. If CCP were to ever put up a poll about this, you'd be surprised how many people don't mind not gettng something new each time, but rather see old things fixed first. In that light, I can understand CCP wanting to fix old things first... except they're already talking about countless new FiS stuff. Maybe they haven't fully gotten it yet? :) That actually is a good point. Marketing people are almost as bad as roleplayers.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
121
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:44:00 -
[611] - Quote
WIS to me highlights everything that went wrong with ccp and eve over the last few years. 18months of just letting things slide while working on WOD and Dust while forgeting about the game that made them. Thats WIS imo
fuckWIS. until they can finish it without forgetting about eve, but tbh i couldnt give a toss if they look at it again as long as they dont forget spaceships ever again CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
43
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:48:00 -
[612] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Walking in Stations is a huge task and one which really hadn't been thought out properly.
We're talking stations of over 20 km in size. How are we going to walk around that lot? What are we going to do in there? In fact, what is in all those thousands of miles of corridors and how are we going to interact?
I've seen other games where we've had taverns in towns where players could meet and, always, they're empty. So, if we're wanting an Eve version of Mallory's Bar (The Gap) or that bar from Total Recall then we're going to have to have something worth our while going around walking in stations.
When I was playing other games I never once saw the point of towns or cities where we could meet other players. Not once did I say I'll spend the evening playing BadgerQuest or whatever and spend the time sitting around in a town. And neither did I once run into any players who were hanging around like extras in Westerns lounging around on the boardwalks.
In every MMO that I have played, players would come into town - because the had to - get whatever it was they had to have done done as fast as they could - and then beetle off to do some whatever they did out of the towns.
So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players? I have, at the moment no interest in WiS and I can't see me every having any interest in doing so. CCP would have to pull a massive rabbit out of a hat to make me interested. And if they tried to force us to leave the pod to find an agent/repairshop/refinery then the recent rage would be nothing compared to that storm.
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work. to be fair adn offer a counterpoint, SWG, back before SOE killed it, the Taverns were pretty active, with several players itting around in chairs chatting for hours, i was often one of those, simply because it was a fun time to sit around listening to music having a meeting with buddies about the recent happenings. Now, they would ahve to make the bar pretty damn fancy, elaborate, and fun to be in and hang out in though before i would use it. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
126
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:55:00 -
[613] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Bomberlocks wrote: Issler, I hate to say this, but you're starting to sound like a stuck record. But ok, let us say CCP stops working on FiS and goes back to working on WiS.
There ya go again: setting this up as if it's about WiS vs. FiS. The space barbie fetishists are making it that way. CCP never said WiS was dead just that they were going to focus on Eve's core gameplay which is internet spaceships. If they can work on both without the core gameplay suffering then that would be great but that's not what they were doing...they neglected Eve and have now made a commitment to focus on it. Let them fix the game and *then* add space barbie.
eeew i agree with a goon
but yea, the FiS ppl arent the ones screaming "yay WiS is dead" you WiS ppl are. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
515
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:05:00 -
[614] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote: to be fair adn offer a counterpoint, SWG, back before SOE killed it, the Taverns were pretty active, with several players itting around in chairs chatting for hours, i was often one of those, simply because it was a fun time to sit around listening to music having a meeting with buddies about the recent happenings. Now, they would ahve to make the bar pretty damn fancy, elaborate, and fun to be in and hang out in though before i would use it.
SWG was a great example of combining avatar play and space combat (after the Jump to Lightspeed expansion). It's too bad SOE killed it.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
55
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:10:00 -
[615] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Walking in Stations is a huge task and one which really hadn't been thought out properly.
We're talking stations of over 20 km in size. How are we going to walk around that lot? What are we going to do in there? In fact, what is in all those thousands of miles of corridors and how are we going to interact?
I've seen other games where we've had taverns in towns where players could meet and, always, they're empty. So, if we're wanting an Eve version of Mallory's Bar (The Gap) or that bar from Total Recall then we're going to have to have something worth our while going around walking in stations.
When I was playing other games I never once saw the point of towns or cities where we could meet other players. Not once did I say I'll spend the evening playing BadgerQuest or whatever and spend the time sitting around in a town. And neither did I once run into any players who were hanging around like extras in Westerns lounging around on the boardwalks.
In every MMO that I have played, players would come into town - because the had to - get whatever it was they had to have done done as fast as they could - and then beetle off to do some whatever they did out of the towns.
So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players? I have, at the moment no interest in WiS and I can't see me every having any interest in doing so. CCP would have to pull a massive rabbit out of a hat to make me interested. And if they tried to force us to leave the pod to find an agent/repairshop/refinery then the recent rage would be nothing compared to that storm.
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work. to be fair adn offer a counterpoint, SWG, back before SOE killed it, the Taverns were pretty active, with several players itting around in chairs chatting for hours, i was often one of those, simply because it was a fun time to sit around listening to music having a meeting with buddies about the recent happenings. Now, they would ahve to make the bar pretty damn fancy, elaborate, and fun to be in and hang out in though before i would use it.
Ironically, my proposal of "holographic videoconference" as a sort of chat could be one of the features most used by everyone, nullsec dwellers included.
Let's say your corpies are 20 jumps away. You all hire a "holo-booth" (=ISK faucet, or money for the owner...) in your current location and all you seat virtually around a table and have a (cough) text chat (cough). Your holographic, inmaterial avatars interact in a very limited manner... if all you meet in "reality" then you can go around the station and have the whole nine yards of Incarna emotes, so stll there is a lot of reasons to go meet someone in a place.
Content emerges, people get something from EVE, they pay their subscriptions, everyobody is happy withotu a need to go and kill someone for the n-th time.. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no casual content... no solo content... no PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden N E X O
3
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:52:00 -
[616] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Some key points I think were misrepresented by some of the posters.
1. We lost a lot of subs, that was not just in protest of WiS.
-It was a reaction to a lame single room/player WiS -The golden ammo microtransaction face plant that is Nex (which is still here by the way) -Stagnant FiS and rage over what had clearly been CCP sucking Eve dry while using that cash to build two other games -Burnout when it became clear that nothing "new" can be expected in Eve anytime soon -CCP's clear disconnect with NeX pricing and the greed is good leaked newsletter (monocolegate)
2. CCP describes Eve as a Scifi simulator, not a space combat game.
3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better.
4. There is now way to know what percentage of folks in Eve want FiS only, Wis, Wis and FiS, a fox in a box or a train. But clearly to say no one in Eve wants WiS is simply wrong.
5. WiS is not space barbies, it is key to RP and emmersiveness and the community has already shared a number of ideas that would make WiS interesting to many folks in Eve.
6. WiS can be decoupled from WoD. Branch the code and move the team on WoD to WiS. CCP can come back to WoD when they get the increase in Eve subscriptions delivering ambulation creates.
Issler
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
105
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:57:00 -
[617] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
What this thread did show is how many folks don't have the slightest idea of where RP fits in MMOs and how badly CCP has failed to support that in Eve. How something as simple as WiS with a corp meeting room, an NPC in a recruiting office or as a mission agent or a bar to gather in would make Eve 10000% more immersive.
Some folks like to say such intellectually impressive comments like "go back to wow!" but I don't see Blizzard laying off 20% of their staff. Fact is Eve can make FiS 500% better and without WiS it stays a niche game and CCP will slowly die on the vine or eventually find a game that can appeal to a broader audience and Eve dies anyways.
Issler
Spew hyperbolic nonsense often?
I am a internet spaceship captain in RL so I refute your claim that CCP is not supporting RP in the game and again, when I play the speculation game on the market, when I plot or when I simply blow someone up or whatever, I am pretty immersed already. Which renders WiS completely irrelevant.
Now you are just making a straw man. EVE is a niche game but it has steadily grown since 2003 and considering its age, no one can call that dying and the only fact here is that you have nothing to back that up, that EVE wouldn't survive, which I should point out that it has, without WiS because of its niche nature so to claim that CCP will go under without WiS is just plainly stupid.
And Blizzard, like any other "good" employer, did lay off about 500 people in February 2011. I thought you should know since you have done your research poorly. 10/19 2011 - never forget the 20%
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Beamer Grey
DucKtape Unlimited SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:08:00 -
[618] - Quote
We have been promised walking in stations for years that included bars, gambling, and other interaction with other players. What we got was ONE room where we cant customize anything or have any functionality what so ever. Why would anyone care about it other then the fact that it looks cool, but it has no effect what so ever on the game in any way. Isk Watch - Trading Blog |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
177
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:07:00 -
[619] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
What this thread did show is how many folks don't have the slightest idea of where RP fits in MMOs and how badly CCP has failed to support that in Eve. How something as simple as WiS with a corp meeting room, an NPC in a recruiting office or as a mission agent or a bar to gather in would make Eve 10000% more immersive.
Some folks like to say such intellectually impressive comments like "go back to wow!" but I don't see Blizzard laying off 20% of their staff. Fact is Eve can make FiS 500% better and without WiS it stays a niche game and CCP will slowly die on the vine or eventually find a game that can appeal to a broader audience and Eve dies anyways.
Issler
Spew hyperbolic nonsense often? I am a internet spaceship captain in RL so I refute your claim that CCP is not supporting RP in the game and again, when I play the speculation game on the market, when I plot or when I simply blow someone up or whatever, I am pretty immersed already. Which renders WiS completely irrelevant. Now you are just making a straw man. EVE is a niche game but it has steadily grown since 2003 and considering its age, no one can call that dying and the only fact here is that you have nothing to back that up, that EVE wouldn't survive, which I should point out that it has, without WiS because of its niche nature so to claim that CCP will go under without WiS is just plainly stupid. And Blizzard, like any other "good" employer, did lay off about 500 people in February 2011. I thought you should know since you have done your research poorly.
They pulled the plug on guitar hero because they had lost the segment. Even in the layoffs they continued to aggressively recruit for WoW.
You can ignore many of the other posters in this thread that point how they want WIS for RP but it doesn't make you right.
Trends in Eve subscriptions are not encouraging and while I don't claim its dying yet I'd argue that WiS would increase the appeal of Eve to many more gamers and revenues to CCP would climb. But it isn't likely now unless CCP wakes up that we'll ever know.
Issler
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
136
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:39:00 -
[620] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:
Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships.
LOL an MMO player talking about FPS. Like any of you have a clue. EVE, like all MMOs, is easymode, low skill gaming. If you can PVP with a mouse in one hand and a slice of pizza in the other then you are the typical MMO player. Don't even dare to think about incorporating a game of skill into EVE. This is why Dust needs to be released sooner than later. A lot of people want a twitch skill game. EVE is losing out on a vast part of the gaming market. If you added anything in EVE that required the use of the WASD keys(walking, for instance), half the playerbase would (threaten to) quit. Oh wait... Mr Epeen
yes because slow strategy games that only involve the mouse and thinking out your moves in no way involve skill. Stupid chess players, thinking they somehow are playing a game of skill. hahaha |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:45:00 -
[621] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:
Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships.
LOL an MMO player talking about FPS. Like any of you have a clue. EVE, like all MMOs, is easymode, low skill gaming. If you can PVP with a mouse in one hand and a slice of pizza in the other then you are the typical MMO player. Don't even dare to think about incorporating a game of skill into EVE. This is why Dust needs to be released sooner than later. A lot of people want a twitch skill game. EVE is losing out on a vast part of the gaming market. If you added anything in EVE that required the use of the WASD keys(walking, for instance), half the playerbase would (threaten to) quit. Oh wait... Mr Epeen yes because slow strategy games that only involve the mouse and thinking out your moves in no way involve skill. Stupid chess players, thinking they somehow are playing a game of skill. hahaha
Didnt you quit like twice?
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Jita Alt666
421
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:50:00 -
[622] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Ironically, my proposal of "holographic videoconference" as a sort of chat could be one of the features most used by everyone, nullsec dwellers included.
Let's say your corpies are 20 jumps away. You all hire a "holo-booth" (=ISK faucet, or money for the owner...) in your current location and all you seat virtually around a table and have a (cough) text chat (cough). Your holographic, inmaterial avatars interact in a very limited manner... if all you meet in "reality" then you can go around the station and have the whole nine yards of Incarna emotes, so stll there is a lot of reasons to go meet someone in a place.
Content emerges, people get something from EVE, they pay their subscriptions, everyobody is happy withotu a need to go and kill someone for the n-th time..
You mean a poor version of skype ( a free application that many already use) that is executed via the eve client? |
Flamespar
Woof Club
87
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:03:00 -
[623] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote: You mean a poor version of skype ( a free application that many already use) that is executed via the eve client?
Why does it seem that certain players have nothing better to do but reflexively reject anything that is Incarna related? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:05:00 -
[624] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote: You mean a poor version of skype ( a free application that many already use) that is executed via the eve client?
Why does it seem that certain players have nothing better to do but reflexively reject anything that is Incarna related? Because Incarna almost killed Eve.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jita Alt666
421
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:07:00 -
[625] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote: You mean a poor version of skype ( a free application that many already use) that is executed via the eve client?
Why does it seem that certain players have nothing better to do but reflexively reject anything that is Incarna related?
Read through this thread for my views on WIS. I support it in principle. I do not support using limited resources to replicate something that can and is done so much better by other developers.
Why do some players not read threads properly and just reflexively reject anything that does not have a 100% identical world view to their own?
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Jita Alt666
421
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:12:00 -
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Here is my view on WIS. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:17:00 -
[627] - Quote
There is a fairly simple solution to all this toing and froing if CCP really want to know what the community truly wants. Have a poll appear when people log into the game.
For example: Start the poll with some blurb defining what the Spaceship (FiS) and Avatar (WiS) descriptions actually relate to, then ask the following questions:
1) Would you like to see gameplay in EVE only involve Spaceships? Yes/No
2) Do you like having an Avatar (3d human) in the game? Yes/No
3) Do you want to see more Avatar based gamplay in EVE? Yes/No
4) Would having establishments and other in station avatar gameplay appeal to you? Yes/No
5) What in-game content should be given higher priority? Spaceship gameplay / Avatar gameplay / 50/50 split
That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:19:00 -
[628] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS. They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:21:00 -
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Arin Fensfield wrote:No interest in getting involved in the inevitable arguments and insults, so all I'll say is I was very excited about the Incarna/Walking in Stations content, and I was extremely disappointed about the recent change of direction by the developers. I was more than happy to wait until the basic Incarna content was working properly before 'FiS' was focussed on again.
Anyway I said as much when I disabled my recurring subscription yesterday. Sure, I did so primarily for financial reasons, but the change in priorities is still basically the reason I decided to pay for FF XIV when subscriptions start in a month or two rather than letting my subscription to EVE renew come December.
I've dropped a 'Like' on the OP. See you lot when Incarna development's resumed - or, at least when I've money enough to play a game I'm no longer so excited for, again.
stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:26:00 -
[630] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote: You mean a poor version of skype ( a free application that many already use) that is executed via the eve client?
Why does it seem that certain players have nothing better to do but reflexively reject anything that is Incarna related? Because Incarna almost killed Eve.
um.... this **** FiS Its Called EVE |
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Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:28:00 -
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1) Would you like to see gameplay in EVE only involve Spaceships? Yes
2) Do you like having an Avatar (3d human) in the game? No
3) Do you want to see more Avatar based gamplay in EVE? No
4) Would having establishments and other in station avatar gameplay appeal to you? No
5) What in-game content should be given higher priority? Spaceship gameplay
**** FiS Its Called EVE |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
179
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:30:00 -
[632] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS. They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer.
To say all the unsubs were because adding ambulation to Eve is such a bad idea that folks quit over it is just wrong.
I'm not even going to repeat why folks left Eve this summer, you can find my post if you care, but the lame CQ version of ambulation was a small part of a lot of bad thinking on the part of CCP that caused folks to leave.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
179
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:35:00 -
[633] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote: 1) Would you like to see gameplay in EVE only involve Spaceships? Yes
2) Do you like having an Avatar (3d human) in the game? No
3) Do you want to see more Avatar based gamplay in EVE? No
4) Would having establishments and other in station avatar gameplay appeal to you? No
5) What in-game content should be given higher priority? Spaceship gameplay
And your answers would be one data point and all the other folks answering that same poll would prove a lot of folks disagree with you.
But thanks for your early response.
So how are you going to react if CCP ever delivers the SciFi simulator they intend Eve to be and if has a lot more than FiS? Will you quit? (hope so)
Issler
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Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:39:00 -
[634] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote: 1) Would you like to see gameplay in EVE only involve Spaceships? Yes
2) Do you like having an Avatar (3d human) in the game? No
3) Do you want to see more Avatar based gamplay in EVE? No
4) Would having establishments and other in station avatar gameplay appeal to you? No
5) What in-game content should be given higher priority? Spaceship gameplay
And your answers would be one data point and all the other folks answering that same poll would prove a lot of folks disagree with you. But thanks for your early response. So how are you going to react if CCP ever delivers the SciFi simulator they intend Eve to be and if has a lot more than FiS? Will you quit? (hope so) Issler
yeah they wont will all the mass unsubbing that will happen when they try. Nice try tho what other poll? The one you can vote and revote on if youre using Chrome? Friend of mine put like 100 "no"s on that last night lol
Will you quit when they dont do what you want? (hope so) **** FiS Its Called EVE |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
15
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:42:00 -
[635] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote: 1) Would you like to see gameplay in EVE only involve Spaceships? Yes
2) Do you like having an Avatar (3d human) in the game? No
3) Do you want to see more Avatar based gamplay in EVE? No
4) Would having establishments and other in station avatar gameplay appeal to you? No
5) What in-game content should be given higher priority? Spaceship gameplay
And your answers would be one data point and all the other folks answering that same poll would prove a lot of folks disagree with you. But thanks for your early response. So how are you going to react if CCP ever delivers the SciFi simulator they intend Eve to be and if has a lot more than FiS? Will you quit? (hope so) Issler Issler, you keep on forgetting what happend in the last 4 months. If they prioritise Wis over Fis in the near future people will unsub. That much should be obvious, possibly because it already happened.
Relax, when the FiS parts of the game have been implemented and iterated upon over a couple of expansions, then it will probably be ok for CCP to iterate on WiS again, but I don't think many players will appreciate that happening after having waited for now almost two years with little or no iteration on FiS. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:43:00 -
[636] - Quote
Bomberlocks wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote: 1) Would you like to see gameplay in EVE only involve Spaceships? Yes
2) Do you like having an Avatar (3d human) in the game? No
3) Do you want to see more Avatar based gamplay in EVE? No
4) Would having establishments and other in station avatar gameplay appeal to you? No
5) What in-game content should be given higher priority? Spaceship gameplay
And your answers would be one data point and all the other folks answering that same poll would prove a lot of folks disagree with you. But thanks for your early response. So how are you going to react if CCP ever delivers the SciFi simulator they intend Eve to be and if has a lot more than FiS? Will you quit? (hope so) Issler Issler, you keep on forgetting what happend in the last 4 months. If they prioritise Wis over Fis in the near future people will unsub. That much should be obvious, possibly because it already happened. Relax, when the FiS parts of the game have been implemented and iterated upon over a couple of expansions, then it will probably be ok for CCP to iterate on WiS again, but I don't think many players will appreciate that happening after having waited for now almost two years with little or no iteration on FiS.
also Issler, this is why ppl keep thinking youre saying WiS over FiS cause you are. They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Shu Jia
House of Nim-Lhach
1
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:51:00 -
[637] - Quote
promise is a promise. Man should honour their promises.CCP , I want to open the DOOR.... |
Pent'nor
4
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:03:00 -
[638] - Quote
I understand and agree with you. I don't want to harm ccp. They should do what ever they think is best for the survival of eve online. This being said, I will never unsub because they stopped working on wis. My unsub will naturally occur when I get tired of the game (as I have in the past), but so far I have always come back to eve. I would love it if eve had both aspects of a fis and wis game. Then when I get tired of fis, then I can jump over to a wis environment where i'm still playing eve, but just in a different way (Basically two games in one). This is the direction that I thought ccp was going, but they made some bad choices along the way. Probably just stretching themselves too thin with all of the projects they had going and running into money problems. The only reason why I feel compelled to post in the forums is because it sounded like they were abandoning wis and had no plans on returning to it.
I am curious as to what the csm thinks about all of this. They are suppost to be the voice of the playerbase, but I haven't seen any of them posting. Or maybe I just don't know who they are. But from everything I've read in this topic, I can say that Issler is voicing my concerns very well, giving options, and listening to what others have to say from both sides. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:35:00 -
[639] - Quote
this is MY view in the matter Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
180
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:40:00 -
[640] - Quote
Bomberlocks wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote: 1) Would you like to see gameplay in EVE only involve Spaceships? Yes
2) Do you like having an Avatar (3d human) in the game? No
3) Do you want to see more Avatar based gamplay in EVE? No
4) Would having establishments and other in station avatar gameplay appeal to you? No
5) What in-game content should be given higher priority? Spaceship gameplay
And your answers would be one data point and all the other folks answering that same poll would prove a lot of folks disagree with you. But thanks for your early response. So how are you going to react if CCP ever delivers the SciFi simulator they intend Eve to be and if has a lot more than FiS? Will you quit? (hope so) Issler Issler, you keep on forgetting what happend in the last 4 months. If they prioritise Wis over Fis in the near future people will unsub. That much should be obvious, possibly because it already happened. Relax, when the FiS parts of the game have been implemented and iterated upon over a couple of expansions, then it will probably be ok for CCP to iterate on WiS again, but I don't think many players will appreciate that happening after having waited for now almost two years with little or no iteration on FiS.
NOT SAYING WiS OVER FiS!!!! I am saying take the remaining WoD resources and put the on WiS and work on that as a second priority with FiS as the highest priority!
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
180
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:42:00 -
[641] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Bomberlocks wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote: 1) Would you like to see gameplay in EVE only involve Spaceships? Yes
2) Do you like having an Avatar (3d human) in the game? No
3) Do you want to see more Avatar based gamplay in EVE? No
4) Would having establishments and other in station avatar gameplay appeal to you? No
5) What in-game content should be given higher priority? Spaceship gameplay
And your answers would be one data point and all the other folks answering that same poll would prove a lot of folks disagree with you. But thanks for your early response. So how are you going to react if CCP ever delivers the SciFi simulator they intend Eve to be and if has a lot more than FiS? Will you quit? (hope so) Issler Issler, you keep on forgetting what happend in the last 4 months. If they prioritise Wis over Fis in the near future people will unsub. That much should be obvious, possibly because it already happened. Relax, when the FiS parts of the game have been implemented and iterated upon over a couple of expansions, then it will probably be ok for CCP to iterate on WiS again, but I don't think many players will appreciate that happening after having waited for now almost two years with little or no iteration on FiS. also Issler, this is why ppl keep thinking youre saying WiS over FiS cause you are.
NOT SAYING WiS OVER FiS!!!! I am saying take the remaining WoD resources and put the on WiS and work on that as a second priority with FiS as the highest priority!
Issler
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:47:00 -
[642] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
NOT SAYING WiS OVER FiS!!!! I am saying take the remaining WoD resources and put the on WiS and work on that as a second priority with FiS as the highest priority!
Issler
Yeah im thinking they arent working on WoD cause they WANT to but cause they HAVE to for some reason or another Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
26
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Posted - 2011.10.27 04:20:00 -
[643] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: NOT SAYING WiS OVER FiS!!!! I am saying take the remaining WoD resources and put the on WiS and work on that as a second priority with FiS as the highest priority!
There seems to be a particularly persistent echo in here. :P
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
136
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:53:00 -
[644] - Quote
Shu Jia wrote:promise is a promise. Man should honour their promises.CCP , I want to open the DOOR....
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Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
19
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:31:00 -
[645] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Bomberlocks wrote:... Issler, you keep on forgetting what happend in the last 4 months. If they prioritise Wis over Fis in the near future people will unsub. That much should be obvious, possibly because it already happened.
Relax, when the FiS parts of the game have been implemented and iterated upon over a couple of expansions, then it will probably be ok for CCP to iterate on WiS again, but I don't think many players will appreciate that happening after having waited for now almost two years with little or no iteration on FiS. NOT SAYING WiS OVER FiS!!!! I am saying take the remaining WoD resources and put the on WiS and work on that as a second priority with FiS as the highest priority! Issler Issler, just relax. The WoD resources are needed by the people at white wolf because they still need to make some money with the board game etc. Letting over a 100 people go means that there are almost no resources left there. Or did you mean WiS resources? They are being worked on, Issler, they just have almost no priority at the moment, just as it took CCP two years to rebalance Hybrid weapons when there was no priority to do so.
If you fancy WiS, it sucks, but it's not what is needed to keep the game going, right now. That may change in the future, but right now, it simply isn't high enough on the list of must dos.
However: Issler if you feel that strongly about it, vote with your money and unsub, organise a rage protest the same way that there was one back in June over Monoclegate. If the issue is important enough, then people will follow you. You can then go post on erroneous-pile-dare about it to get moral support (Good luck with that, btw). |
Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
33
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:40:00 -
[646] - Quote
I still don't see why it has to be either/or. We can have both. Fix the FiS stuff first obviously (it won't take much), and then finish the WiS. What's wrong with the screens we saw three years ago, with bars, concourses, etc.? It was gorgeous! I don't see why it all has to be shelved just because of a few fixes with FiS. Ok, four new BCs are impressive and I understand that maybe in the next expansion it wouldn't be feasible, but to shelve it indefinitely? What else is there to do after this patch? FiS isn't THAT broken, and most of the bigger fixes and balances will be in the next patch.
The door needs to open. |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
133
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:45:00 -
[647] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: NOT SAYING WiS OVER FiS!!!! I am saying take the remaining WoD resources and put the on WiS and work on that as a second priority with FiS as the highest priority!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I just hope you never have to run an actual business.
Now take a step back and meditate for 2 minutes about the concept of "going concern", how it relates to WoD and what your proposal would probably do to CCP's balance sheet. |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
19
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:51:00 -
[648] - Quote
Astenion wrote:I still don't see why it has to be either/or. We can have both. Fix the FiS stuff first obviously (it won't take much), and then finish the WiS. What's wrong with the screens we saw three years ago, with bars, concourses, etc.? It was gorgeous! I don't see why it all has to be shelved just because of a few fixes with FiS. Ok, four new BCs are impressive and I understand that maybe in the next expansion it wouldn't be feasible, but to shelve it indefinitely? What else is there to do after this patch? FiS isn't THAT broken, and most of the bigger fixes and balances will be in the next patch.
The door needs to open. You will have both. It's just going to be a while. I have no idea how CCP's somewhat chaotic internal planning looks like, but I imagine that they're going to be very busy with the Dust link next year, and I suppose that WiS will get attention after that sometime, probably around early 2013 or so, or :18months: as we call it in the industry. |
Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
33
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Posted - 2011.10.27 10:07:00 -
[649] - Quote
Bomberlocks wrote:Astenion wrote:I still don't see why it has to be either/or. We can have both. Fix the FiS stuff first obviously (it won't take much), and then finish the WiS. What's wrong with the screens we saw three years ago, with bars, concourses, etc.? It was gorgeous! I don't see why it all has to be shelved just because of a few fixes with FiS. Ok, four new BCs are impressive and I understand that maybe in the next expansion it wouldn't be feasible, but to shelve it indefinitely? What else is there to do after this patch? FiS isn't THAT broken, and most of the bigger fixes and balances will be in the next patch.
The door needs to open. You will have both. It's just going to be a while. I have no idea how CCP's somewhat chaotic internal planning looks like, but I imagine that they're going to be very busy with the Dust link next year, and I suppose that WiS will get attention after that sometime, probably around early 2013 or so, or :18months: as we call it in the industry.
Of course we'll eventually get it, but getting it in two years puts us right back to where we were when they first announced it, doesn't it?
It's going to look really bad when Dust comes out before WiS...something they've already had since 2008. Essentially, they will have developed an entirely new video game and released it before we get the chance to walk around in a bar. Pret-ty sad. |
Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
23
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:18:00 -
[650] - Quote
WIS is what made me interested in eve so yeah, i want it.
I like flying spaceships but it's not enough to keep me interested in the game and willing to put up with the games controls and UI.
I want walk in stations to be a game on it's own really (mass effect / fallout style RPG) but if it doesn't add anything meaningful or come out soon, i don't think i'll be playing much longer.
In summery: I want WIS to be a real game not some second life bullshit or i'm out! |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:45:00 -
[651] - Quote
Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. I'm not talking about adding new ships to the 100's already available or making some sort of new super weapon. I'm talking about new content such as exploration, w-holes, Incursions, FW, etc. FiS is just about done played out, combining FiS and WiS is the Final Frontier which will open up much more new game content for years to come.
Multiple scenarios pertaining to WiS for new game content has been posted at various times in this thread. I'm not talking about playing poker or getting lap dances from NPC strippers. DUST is designed to be interactive with Eve. That alone should add more game content ranging from dropping supplies to FPS forces planetside to creating blockades in space to keep enemy forces from being resupplied. WiS could have FPS action of sanctioned 1v1 arenas to full out deck by deck combat to liberate invaded stations. It could even be something simple such as meeting a new special agent to do some sort of black market deal. The possibility's are endless.
Bomberlocks wrote:However: Issler if you feel that strongly about it, vote with your money and unsub, organise a rage protest the same way that there was one back in June over Monoclegate. If the issue is important enough, then people will follow you. You can then go post on erroneous-pile-dare about it to get moral support (Good luck with that, btw).
This type of attitude is what's killing Eve. The mass un-subs and bad press during the summer inflicted a mortal wound to Eve Online which may never be healed. The constant forum bickering and trolling, posting of Doom and Gloom, Rage quits, etc, only succeeds in driving players away from this game.
Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change.
To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
57
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Posted - 2011.10.27 12:56:00 -
[652] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. I'm not talking about adding new ships to the 100's already available or making some sort of new super weapon. I'm talking about new content such as exploration, w-holes, Incursions, FW, etc. FiS is just about done played out, combining FiS and WiS is the Final Frontier which will open up much more new game content for years to come. Multiple scenarios pertaining to WiS for new game content has been posted at various times in this thread. I'm not talking about playing poker or getting lap dances from NPC strippers. DUST is designed to be interactive with Eve. That alone should add more game content ranging from dropping supplies to FPS forces planetside to creating blockades in space to keep enemy forces from being resupplied. WiS could have FPS action of sanctioned 1v1 arenas to full out deck by deck combat to liberate invaded stations. It could even be something simple such as meeting a new special agent to do some sort of black market deal. The possibility's are endless. Bomberlocks wrote:However: Issler if you feel that strongly about it, vote with your money and unsub, organise a rage protest the same way that there was one back in June over Monoclegate. If the issue is important enough, then people will follow you. You can then go post on erroneous-pile-dare about it to get moral support (Good luck with that, btw). This type of attitude is what's killing Eve. The mass un-subs and bad press during the summer inflicted a mortal wound to Eve Online which may never be healed. The constant forum bickering and trolling, posting of Doom and Gloom, Rage quits, etc, only succeeds in driving players away from this game. Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change. To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it.
A rough number with roughly estimated numbers:
8% subs down= some 400,000ish $ less per month Burn rate of 1 developer = some 4,000ish $ per month Firing 100 developers = some 400,000ish $ less burn rate per month
So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no casual content... no solo content... no PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2011.10.27 13:12:00 -
[653] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS. They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer. And i suppose that is all because of WiS and nothing else? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
123
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Posted - 2011.10.27 13:18:00 -
[654] - Quote
No...whats ruining EvE are the ignorant a-holes that seem to think they should be able to control CCP and what they do with EvE. The immature brats that cry and whine everytime something is changed that they don't like and then throw a tantrum and ragequit when they don't get their way. It's the jackholes that are too narrowminded and blind to see that there is a huge number of gamers out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't ever see your character. Then theres the dumbasses that seem to think there is something wrong with wanting to see your character. It's the blatant disregard for the fact that CCP is a company that is here to make money not pander to little babies whims. It's the tunnelvision nubs that can't see past their precious ship spinning and spaceship in space to see that WiS and DUST will breathe new life into EvE, bring in even more subscribers than the little crybabies that ragequit and eventually due to the new subs allow CCP to do even more with FiS than ever before. It's also the morons that refuse to admit that WiS can be a good thing, that don't want anything to do with it and seem to think nobody else should either and refuse to just shut the **** up about it and let others enjoy the game the way they want to. It's also the dipsticks that can't just ignore NeX if they don't like it and seem to think that if they don't like it then nobody else could possibly like it.
CCP needs to buckle down...get this massive FiS expansion for this winter rolled out and then finish WiS. There is enough room with expansions to be able to do a WiS expansion in the Summer and a FiS expansion in the Winter each year. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2011.10.27 16:07:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. I'm not talking about adding new ships to the 100's already available or making some sort of new super weapon. I'm talking about new content such as exploration, w-holes, Incursions, FW, etc. FiS is just about done played out, combining FiS and WiS is the Final Frontier which will open up much more new game content for years to come. Multiple scenarios pertaining to WiS for new game content has been posted at various times in this thread. I'm not talking about playing poker or getting lap dances from NPC strippers. DUST is designed to be interactive with Eve. That alone should add more game content ranging from dropping supplies to FPS forces planetside to creating blockades in space to keep enemy forces from being resupplied. WiS could have FPS action of sanctioned 1v1 arenas to full out deck by deck combat to liberate invaded stations. It could even be something simple such as meeting a new special agent to do some sort of black market deal. The possibility's are endless. Bomberlocks wrote:However: Issler if you feel that strongly about it, vote with your money and unsub, organise a rage protest the same way that there was one back in June over Monoclegate. If the issue is important enough, then people will follow you. You can then go post on erroneous-pile-dare about it to get moral support (Good luck with that, btw). This type of attitude is what's killing Eve. The mass un-subs and bad press during the summer inflicted a mortal wound to Eve Online which may never be healed. The constant forum bickering and trolling, posting of Doom and Gloom, Rage quits, etc, only succeeds in driving players away from this game. Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change. To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it. A rough number with roughly estimated numbers: 8% subs down= some 400,000ish $ less per month Burn rate of 1 developer = some 4,000ish $ per month Firing 100 developers = some 400,000ish $ less burn rate per month
OK, so how do these roughly estimated numbers relate to what I posted?
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.10.27 16:31:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Alpheias wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
What this thread did show is how many folks don't have the slightest idea of where RP fits in MMOs and how badly CCP has failed to support that in Eve. How something as simple as WiS with a corp meeting room, an NPC in a recruiting office or as a mission agent or a bar to gather in would make Eve 10000% more immersive.
Some folks like to say such intellectually impressive comments like "go back to wow!" but I don't see Blizzard laying off 20% of their staff. Fact is Eve can make FiS 500% better and without WiS it stays a niche game and CCP will slowly die on the vine or eventually find a game that can appeal to a broader audience and Eve dies anyways.
Issler
Spew hyperbolic nonsense often? I am a internet spaceship captain in RL so I refute your claim that CCP is not supporting RP in the game and again, when I play the speculation game on the market, when I plot or when I simply blow someone up or whatever, I am pretty immersed already. Which renders WiS completely irrelevant. Now you are just making a straw man. EVE is a niche game but it has steadily grown since 2003 and considering its age, no one can call that dying and the only fact here is that you have nothing to back that up, that EVE wouldn't survive, which I should point out that it has, without WiS because of its niche nature so to claim that CCP will go under without WiS is just plainly stupid. And Blizzard, like any other "good" employer, did lay off about 500 people in February 2011. I thought you should know since you have done your research poorly. They pulled the plug on guitar hero because they had lost the segment. Even in the layoffs they continued to aggressively recruit for WoW. You can ignore many of the other posters in this thread that point how they want WIS for RP but it doesn't make you right. Trends in Eve subscriptions are not encouraging and while I don't claim its dying yet I'd argue that WiS would increase the appeal of Eve to many more gamers and revenues to CCP would climb. But it isn't likely now unless CCP wakes up that we'll ever know. Issler
Which is completely beside the point. I pointed out that Blizzard do lay people off when you said that they do not.
Nor would it make sense for CCP to invest in WiS, just because some players want it when there is no guarantee that it will appeal to a broader audience or be a sustainable source of income. And I highly doubt that WiS will ever be profitable for CCP because since its implementation, WiS and the NeX store have been a sore point with the players (causing mass unsubscriptions) instead of a steady source of income for CCP. That is hard for anyone to ignore.
So again, I wonder why should CCP even bother with WiS when it does not generate a sustainable revenue.
I disagree, CCP has woken up which explains the sudden re-focus into the core of what makes EVE a great game - Flying in Space. Business is concluded and there is nothing else to discuss. Don't let the DOOR hit your ass on the way out. 10/19 2011 - never forget the 20%
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
130
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Posted - 2011.10.27 16:54:00 -
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Pent'nor wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Here is my view on WIS. [/url] I understand and agree with you. I don't want to harm ccp. They should do what ever they think is best for the survival of eve online. This being said, I will never unsub because they stopped working on wis. My unsub will naturally occur when I get tired of the game (as I have in the past), but so far I have always come back to eve. I would love it if eve had both aspects of a fis and wis game. Then when I get tired of fis, then I can jump over to a wis environment where i'm still playing eve, but just in a different way (Basically two games in one). This is the direction that I thought ccp was going, but they made some bad choices along the way. Probably just stretching themselves too thin with all of the projects they had going and running into money problems. The only reason why I feel compelled to post in the forums is because it sounded like they were abandoning wis and had no plans on returning to it. I am curious as to what the csm thinks about all of this. They are suppost to be the voice of the playerbase, but I haven't seen any of them posting. Or maybe I just don't know who they are. But from everything I've read in this topic, I can say that Issler is voicing my concerns very well, giving options, and listening to what others have to say from both sides.
Youd know them they have a tag on their name that says "CSM" Theyre posting on other threads, so they must not think this IS a concern. Welcome to the world of "why the CSM is useless." If your concern does not line up with their concern you can screw yourself. Also, they tend to laugh at that "They are supposed to be the voice of the playerbase" thing
Astenion wrote:I still don't see why it has to be either/or. We can have both. Fix the FiS stuff first obviously (it won't take much), and then finish the WiS. What's wrong with the screens we saw three years ago, with bars, concourses, etc.? It was gorgeous! I don't see why it all has to be shelved just because of a few fixes with FiS. Ok, four new BCs are impressive and I understand that maybe in the next expansion it wouldn't be feasible, but to shelve it indefinitely? What else is there to do after this patch? FiS isn't THAT broken, and most of the bigger fixes and balances will be in the next patch.
The door needs to open.
Because the last two years SHOWED US CCP cant do either/or. They focussed on WiS/Dust/WoD and let the rest of EVE sit. Mind you that was with 20% more workers. Yes, we think they could just move the WoD dev team to WiS devs instead but Im betting theres a reason they cant, otherwise why waste devs and money on a game that is essentially vaporware at this point? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
130
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:02:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Pent'nor wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Here is my view on WIS. [/url] I understand and agree with you. I don't want to harm ccp. They should do what ever they think is best for the survival of eve online. This being said, I will never unsub because they stopped working on wis. My unsub will naturally occur when I get tired of the game (as I have in the past), but so far I have always come back to eve. I would love it if eve had both aspects of a fis and wis game. Then when I get tired of fis, then I can jump over to a wis environment where i'm still playing eve, but just in a different way (Basically two games in one). This is the direction that I thought ccp was going, but they made some bad choices along the way. Probably just stretching themselves too thin with all of the projects they had going and running into money problems. The only reason why I feel compelled to post in the forums is because it sounded like they were abandoning wis and had no plans on returning to it. I am curious as to what the csm thinks about all of this. They are suppost to be the voice of the playerbase, but I haven't seen any of them posting. Or maybe I just don't know who they are. But from everything I've read in this topic, I can say that Issler is voicing my concerns very well, giving options, and listening to what others have to say from both sides. Youd know them they have a tag on their name that says "CSM" Theyre posting on other threads, so they must not think this IS a concern. Welcome to the world of "why the CSM is useless." If your concern does not line up with their concern you can screw yourself. Also, they tend to laugh at that "They are supposed to be the voice of the playerbase" thing Astenion wrote:I still don't see why it has to be either/or. We can have both. Fix the FiS stuff first obviously (it won't take much), and then finish the WiS. What's wrong with the screens we saw three years ago, with bars, concourses, etc.? It was gorgeous! I don't see why it all has to be shelved just because of a few fixes with FiS. Ok, four new BCs are impressive and I understand that maybe in the next expansion it wouldn't be feasible, but to shelve it indefinitely? What else is there to do after this patch? FiS isn't THAT broken, and most of the bigger fixes and balances will be in the next patch.
The door needs to open. Because the last two years SHOWED US CCP cant do either/or. They focussed on WiS/Dust/WoD and let the rest of EVE sit. Mind you that was with 20% more workers. Yes, we think they could just move the WoD dev team to WiS devs instead but Im betting theres a reason they cant, otherwise why waste devs and money on a game that is essentially vaporware at this point?
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Multiple scenarios pertaining to WiS for new game content has been posted at various times in this thread. I'm not talking about playing poker or getting lap dances from NPC strippers. DUST is designed to be interactive with Eve. That alone should add more game content ranging from dropping supplies to FPS forces planetside to creating blockades in space to keep enemy forces from being resupplied. WiS could have FPS action of sanctioned 1v1 arenas to full out deck by deck combat to liberate invaded stations. It could even be something simple such as meeting a new special agent to do some sort of black market deal. The possibility's are endless.
as I said earlier in this thread, im betting they looked at the technology available to them with WiS and then decided they couldnt do anything useful with it (that and the fact that it was betaing WoD technology so once they decided to shut down WoD they saw no use in continuing WiS). I dont know why they dont (as I also said earlier) take the Unreal 3 engine theyre using for Dust and work it into WiS that way WiS is based on Dust instead of WiS being based on WoD (A game that likely wont come out now). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
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Hershman
G-Weezy
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Interesting. I see a lot of casual players coming in and saying their two cents about WiS, and how they had been mildly fond of the idea and are upset to hear it is being dropped because apparently the "Eve Community" has protested it so strongly.
At the same time, I see a lot of the same people coming here to whine over and over again about how WiS is a terrible idea. Those same people that are still butthurt about Nex, Fearless and pretty much anything else they can whine about.
So which is it CCP? As a company do you spite the silent and respectful majority of loyal casual players, just to cater to these few children?
No, much like dealing with immature children, these reactions are predictable. Mr. Hilmar is taking the right stance from experience, when he wrote "this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."
The very loud vocal minority here should be ignored, for the end result will bring a more dynamic and engaging Eve for us, the real players. We are the partisans for the true good of Eve, even though we do not cry as loudly as the few spoiled children. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
130
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:06:00 -
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(too many quotes :P)
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:No...whats ruining EvE are the ignorant a-holes that seem to think they should be able to control CCP and what they do with EvE. The immature brats that cry and whine everytime something is changed that they don't like and then throw a tantrum and ragequit when they don't get their way. It's the jackholes that are too narrowminded and blind to see that there is a huge number of gamers out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't ever see your character. Then theres the dumbasses that seem to think there is something wrong with wanting to see your character. It's the blatant disregard for the fact that CCP is a company that is here to make money not pander to little babies whims. It's the tunnelvision nubs that can't see past their precious ship spinning and spaceship in space to see that WiS and DUST will breathe new life into EvE, bring in even more subscribers than the little crybabies that ragequit and eventually due to the new subs allow CCP to do even more with FiS than ever before. It's also the morons that refuse to admit that WiS can be a good thing, that don't want anything to do with it and seem to think nobody else should either and refuse to just shut the **** up about it and let others enjoy the game the way they want to. It's also the dipsticks that can't just ignore NeX if they don't like it and seem to think that if they don't like it then nobody else could possibly like it..
Note: this includes you and the WiS lovers too
funny that if you quote Jita's link it gives you an error - that wasnt in the original post - more quality CCP Web team work - are they ever planning fixing this by the way? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My well known stance on WiS |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
130
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:08:00 -
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Hershman wrote:Interesting. I see a lot of casual players coming in and saying their two cents about WiS, and how they had been mildly fond of the idea and are upset to hear it is being dropped because apparently the "Eve Community" has protested it so strongly.
At the same time, I see a lot of the same people coming here to whine over and over again about how WiS is a terrible idea. Those same people that are still butthurt about Nex, Fearless and pretty much anything else they can whine about.
So which is it CCP? As a company do you spite the silent and respectful majority of loyal casual players, just to cater to these few children?
No, much like dealing with immature children, these reactions are predictable. Mr. Hilmar is taking the right stance from experience, when he wrote "this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."
The very loud vocal minority here should be ignored, for the end result will bring a more dynamic and engaging Eve for us, the real players. We are the partisans for the true good of Eve, even though we do not cry as loudly as the few spoiled children.
They did. Hence why theyre focussing on FIS not WIS
love this line:
"We are the partisans for the true good of Eve, even though we do not cry as loudly as the few spoiled children.[/quote]"
Thats what EVERYONE says, including the Goons and them more often than anyone lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My well known stance on WiS |
ElQuirko
Boxxed Up Industries
1
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:30:00 -
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No idea what this is about but it sounds like utter PiS(s). |
Hershman
G-Weezy
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:32:00 -
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Kengutsi, why don't you give other people a chance to respond for once. Nearly every page of this thread is littered with your nonstop posting. Shouldn't you be in school right now? |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
18
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:37:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:[..]Its just the ppl that are now crying cause they shelved WiS that are pissing me off. [..]working on several projects like they said they couldnt do in the first place.[..] I don't see why that should **** you off [anger you]. Or I maybe I do. Everyone has feelings. Even the WIS lovers. Imagine how you would feel if you've been waiting for something for several years, and just as they are about to give it to you, they change their mind. If FiS lovers can get emotional and tell CCP what they want after 18 months of not getting it, WIS lovers can do the same after several years of not getting it.
Also, "spreading ourselves too thin" does not equal "unable to work on several projects". |
kakmonstret
Domain Mining and Trading Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 18:02:00 -
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I too like the idea of WiS and have always felt that this is a missing part in eve.
Considering the amount of people that work at CCP (the 80% that's left) it should not be impossible to get progress on both WiS and FiS at the same time. Compare the amount of people these 80% is with how many they where back in the first expansions this should be within reach. Especially when they get DUST booted out the door.
Sure put the focus on FiS for this expansion considering the neglection the last year(s). Then start up the work on WiS for the next expansion and make some features for FiS and some for WiS in each expansion. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:00:00 -
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Bomberlocks wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Some key points I think were misrepresented by some of the posters.
1. We lost a lot of subs, that was not just in protest of WiS.
-It was a reaction to a lame single room/player WiS -The golden ammo microtransaction face plant that is Nex (which is still here by the way) -Stagnant FiS and rage over what had clearly been CCP sucking Eve dry while using that cash to build two other games -Burnout when it became clear that nothing "new" can be expected in Eve anytime soon -CCP's clear disconnect with NeX pricing and the greed is good leaked newsletter (monocolegate)
2. CCP describes Eve as a Scifi simulator, not a space combat game.
3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better.
4. There is now way to know what percentage of folks in Eve want FiS only, Wis, Wis and FiS, a fox in a box or a train. But clearly to say no one in Eve wants WiS is simply wrong.
5. WiS is not space barbies, it is key to RP and emmersiveness and the community has already shared a number of ideas that would make WiS interesting to many folks in Eve.
6. WiS can be decoupled from WoD. Branch the code and move the team on WoD to WiS. CCP can come back to WoD when they get the increase in Eve subscriptions delivering ambulation creates.
Issler Issler, I hate to say this, but you're starting to sound like a stuck record. But ok, let us say CCP stops working on FiS and goes back to working on WiS. Do you think CCP would survive the subsequent mass unsubbing (again)? You're not on the CSM, although you were and wanted to be again, and I presume you know a fair few people who know what the loss of subs really were. Go ahead, ask them whether they think that neglecting FiS in place of Wis again would be a good idea.
Would folks please stop saying I'm saying "CCP stop FiS work for WiS work!". I haven't said that and won't!
I am saying either put the WoD remaining resourcs on WiS or make it clear WiS work will resume in some form after the winter expansion ALONG with ongoing FiS work.
Several of my posts where I try and correct folks misrepresenting what I am saying have been moderated to the corn field so I'm sorry to have to post this correction again.
Issler |
Lindt Elgorriaga
Chocolate latex and leather Social Club
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:56:00 -
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they did awesome things with the avatars, alas, they rushed incarna and bring it unfinished it would be a waste, if they abandon it
People get toooo much emoted with this discussion too
Eat a little bit of chocolate and relax....
Don't consider chocolate as a substitute of sex, consider it as a different pleasure... ...but that won't prevent you from being a pervert |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2011.10.27 22:24:00 -
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Che Biko wrote: I don't see why that should **** you off [anger you]. .
killing the company working on the game. theres your reason. another reason ppl are pissed at the WiS crowd. They refuse to understand this.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.27 22:36:00 -
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People in this thread (both sides) need to step back and look at reality.:
1. CCP have made a large and sudden shift in direction. 2. This shift has resulted in approximately 120 people losing their jobs (20% of 600). 3. The company has dropped one of the three projects it was working on. 4. The project dropped had close links with the walking in stations aspect of Eve Online. 5. The company has publicly announced a return to the focus on Flying in Space.
If I was a potential shareholder/director in a company that made these decisions, I would be attempting to gather as many details about the accounts as possible. It sounds like a company that has overextended. It sounds like a company restructuring to focus on core services. It sounds like a company which has realised what its customers value most. It sounds like a company fighting to survive.
Walking in Stations (creating a complete immersion experience) is a fantastic goal. CCP have often established lofty goals other companies would dismiss as folly. Due to the over extension the company has made in some areas it will have limited resources available in other areas. Arguing for or against WIS or FIS as the most important thing right now is irrelevant. CCP have decided on a path - what is relevant is the quality of what they deliver.
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2011.10.27 22:41:00 -
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This thread just needs to die morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.27 22:45:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:This thread just needs to die
This thread yes. This discussion hmmm....
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Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors
3
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Posted - 2011.10.27 22:55:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:This thread just needs to die
Pretty much.
CCP did the right thing taking a step back and returning to work on eve itself. Maybe now while they give us some actual content for a change, they can also take a look at the horrible fiasco they created, see what went wrong and do it better next time, at a later date.
But not now. After that shitstorm I dont want to see anymore wis, barbie or pony related. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
189
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Posted - 2011.10.28 00:10:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:This thread just needs to die This thread yes. This discussion hmmm....
So where would the discussion continue?
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2011.10.28 01:05:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:This thread just needs to die This thread yes. This discussion hmmm.... So where would the discussion continue? Issler
Kugu.com lol
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
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Mekela
Vinyl Roid
23
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Posted - 2011.10.28 02:20:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS. They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer.
99% of the people that get cancer eat some type of wheat product, therefore all cancer is caused by wheat! (I am using the same logic you used to determine why people canceled)
We have opinions on why it happened but I don't believe anyone has done any real research on what happened and why all we have is antidotal evidence and as you can see that kind of evidence can provide some very incorrect results.
If CCP wants to really find out what its people want and why some left it needs to do some type of statical survey or something of that nature. Otherwise they will be floundering under false ideas based off of assumptions that could or could not be correct in nature.
PS If you don't know I want WiS and if CCP is going to continue on its course of FiS only, I truly believe that they are going to continue to loose subs until the game becomes irrelevant to the MMO genre.
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Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
16
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Posted - 2011.10.28 02:22:00 -
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Wis is not a another game, it is meant to complement FIS.
a balance approach of Focus on FIS with some work continuing on FIS.
due to the amount of work already completed on WIS, a small amount of resources will go a long I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2011.10.28 02:56:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler no they are never going to get it right or properly prepared for release for another five years remember PI? I still do, remember walking in station? I still do, remember faction warfare? I still do, have any of them been actually fixed? nope. fix the stuff we currently have before saying "OHHH SHINEY SHINEY" about wanting a piece of crap spray painted with a metallic silver color. |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
23
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Posted - 2011.10.28 02:59:00 -
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.. Need to read - sorry for blank post |
Jita Alt666
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Mekela wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS. They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer. 99% of the people that get cancer eat some type of wheat product, therefore all cancer is caused by wheat! (I am using the same logic you used to determine why people canceled) We have opinions on why it happened but I don't believe anyone has done any real research on what happened and why all we have is antidotal evidence and as you can see that kind of evidence can provide some very incorrect results. If CCP wants to really find out what its people want and why some left it needs to do some type of statical survey or something of that nature. Otherwise they will be floundering under false ideas based off of assumptions that could or could not be correct in nature. PS If you don't know I want WiS and if CCP is going to continue on its course of FiS only, I truly believe that they are going to continue to loose subs until the game becomes irrelevant to the MMO genre.
Are you unaware that when a user cancels their account part of the process is a form that includes the question (paraphrased): "Why are you quitting Eve Online?"
CCP have the numbers. I am pretty sure the actions we are seeing now are a direct reflection of that.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.28 06:39:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Mekela wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS. They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer. 99% of the people that get cancer eat some type of wheat product, therefore all cancer is caused by wheat! (I am using the same logic you used to determine why people canceled) We have opinions on why it happened but I don't believe anyone has done any real research on what happened and why all we have is antidotal evidence and as you can see that kind of evidence can provide some very incorrect results. If CCP wants to really find out what its people want and why some left it needs to do some type of statical survey or something of that nature. Otherwise they will be floundering under false ideas based off of assumptions that could or could not be correct in nature. PS If you don't know I want WiS and if CCP is going to continue on its course of FiS only, I truly believe that they are going to continue to loose subs until the game becomes irrelevant to the MMO genre.
Are you unaware that when a user cancels their account part of the process is a form that includes the question (paraphrased): "Why are you quitting Eve Online?" CCP have the numbers. I am pretty sure the actions we are seeing now are a direct reflection of that. Those kinds of polls really are useless. People often don't know why they are doing something. They just know "i'm mad" or "i'm bored" and try to say that in as complicated a way as possible. But really, when it gets right down to it, those are the two different reasons people unsub. What CCP does not seem to be asking anyone, even themselves is "why are you mad" or "why are you bored" or "if you're mad but weren't bored, would you still be quitting?"
BTW, I'd be willing to bet that even most devs fall into the "I'm bored" category when describing gameplay in EVE, but just don't want to say it out loud. Instead they would say (and do say) "I have family commitments so I don't get to play very much lately." And there's a question for any devs that may be reading... if you weren't a dev, but were still just as bored with EVE, would you have unsubbed already? |
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Jita Alt666
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mkint wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Mekela wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS. They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer. 99% of the people that get cancer eat some type of wheat product, therefore all cancer is caused by wheat! (I am using the same logic you used to determine why people canceled) We have opinions on why it happened but I don't believe anyone has done any real research on what happened and why all we have is antidotal evidence and as you can see that kind of evidence can provide some very incorrect results. If CCP wants to really find out what its people want and why some left it needs to do some type of statical survey or something of that nature. Otherwise they will be floundering under false ideas based off of assumptions that could or could not be correct in nature. PS If you don't know I want WiS and if CCP is going to continue on its course of FiS only, I truly believe that they are going to continue to loose subs until the game becomes irrelevant to the MMO genre.
Are you unaware that when a user cancels their account part of the process is a form that includes the question (paraphrased): "Why are you quitting Eve Online?" CCP have the numbers. I am pretty sure the actions we are seeing now are a direct reflection of that. Those kinds of polls really are useless. People often don't know why they are doing something. They just know "i'm mad" or "i'm bored" and try to say that in as complicated a way as possible. But really, when it gets right down to it, those are the two different reasons people unsub. What CCP does not seem to be asking anyone, even themselves is "why are you mad" or "why are you bored" or "if you're mad but weren't bored, would you still be quitting?" BTW, I'd be willing to bet that even most devs fall into the "I'm bored" category when describing gameplay in EVE, but just don't want to say it out loud. Instead they would say (and do say) "I have family commitments so I don't get to play very much lately." And there's a question for any devs that may be reading... if you weren't a dev, but were still just as bored with EVE, would you have unsubbed already?
Not quite true. People know why they cancelled their accounts in the months of June and July 2011. People (like myself) stated very clearly why we were cancelling.
Anyway we're off on a tangent. CCP would not have laid off 120 staff and changed the direction of their company based on assumptions. |
mkint
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Jita Alt666 wrote:mkint wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Mekela wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer.
99% of the people that get cancer eat some type of wheat product, therefore all cancer is caused by wheat! (I am using the same logic you used to determine why people canceled) We have opinions on why it happened but I don't believe anyone has done any real research on what happened and why all we have is antidotal evidence and as you can see that kind of evidence can provide some very incorrect results. If CCP wants to really find out what its people want and why some left it needs to do some type of statical survey or something of that nature. Otherwise they will be floundering under false ideas based off of assumptions that could or could not be correct in nature. PS If you don't know I want WiS and if CCP is going to continue on its course of FiS only, I truly believe that they are going to continue to loose subs until the game becomes irrelevant to the MMO genre.
Are you unaware that when a user cancels their account part of the process is a form that includes the question (paraphrased): "Why are you quitting Eve Online?" CCP have the numbers. I am pretty sure the actions we are seeing now are a direct reflection of that. Those kinds of polls really are useless. People often don't know why they are doing something. They just know "i'm mad" or "i'm bored" and try to say that in as complicated a way as possible. But really, when it gets right down to it, those are the two different reasons people unsub. What CCP does not seem to be asking anyone, even themselves is "why are you mad" or "why are you bored" or "if you're mad but weren't bored, would you still be quitting?" BTW, I'd be willing to bet that even most devs fall into the "I'm bored" category when describing gameplay in EVE, but just don't want to say it out loud. Instead they would say (and do say) "I have family commitments so I don't get to play very much lately." And there's a question for any devs that may be reading... if you weren't a dev, but were still just as bored with EVE, would you have unsubbed already? Not quite true. People know why they cancelled their accounts in the months of June and July 2011. People (like myself) stated very clearly why we were cancelling. Anyway we're off on a tangent. CCP would not have laid off 120 staff and changed the direction of their company based on assumptions. Of course, assumptions are all WE have as to why they laid of 120 staff (saying it was because of Incarna is a load of crap.) There was the Jester blog about how the layoffs were all about unpaid loans, not about Space Barbie. It could also be inferred that Hilmar was gambling those jobs from the very beginning, that the only way those jobs could have been saved was if enough people bought in on the Incarna scam, and the WH0RE ST0RE scam to raise the millions and millions of dollars per month needed to keep them on. (And by scam, I mean the classic bait and switch that the marketing team pushed.)
But that's neither here, nor there. If CQ wasn't boring, people wouldn't have unsubbed. For WiS to add value to EVE (real $ value as measured in monthly revenue) it would have to be not boring. |
Jita Alt666
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Agree. Has there been any clear indicator from CCP over the past 18 months showing how it would not be boring? |
Halcyon Ingenium
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.28 07:49:00 -
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WiS is cool, but the implementation was terrible. In fact back when they first asked the community, on the old forums, on what they thought of it, a resounding number of people, including me, said that CCP should make it optional and that if they didn't there would be a **** storm. We all know how that turned out. I would like to see all of EVE get iterated, but I am willing to let CCP do it in parts. So yes please, focus on FiS for now CCP, but don't forget Incarna. I might actually get out of my pod if you give me a reason to, that doesn't involve forcing me out. The loser in any fight consols himself with a moral victory. Thus is the beginning of slave-morality. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:02:00 -
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OP posted a thread with the title - Quote:CCP! A lot of us want WiS
OP stated in it - Quote:So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
Just exactly which part of this do you nay sayers not understand?
This thread was made for players to show their positive support for WiS. It didn't say anything about supporting NEX or abandoning FiS. It didn't say spam your negative opinions or bad attitudes here. It didn't say post unsubstantiated rumors or rough estimates or to speculate on reasons.
The funny thing about this is you stubborn nay sayers just don't get it. Every time you post a negative reply, another positive reply gets posted. Thanks to that this thread is turning into a threadnaught. It probably would have died out already if you didn't keep posting here.
Bottom line: Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change.
To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:17:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:OP posted a thread with the title - Quote:CCP! A lot of us want WiS OP stated in it - Quote:So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now. Just exactly which part of this do you nay sayers not understand?This thread was made for players to show their positive support for WiS. It didn't say anything about supporting NEX or abandoning FiS. It didn't say spam your negative opinions or bad attitudes here. It didn't say post unsubstantiated rumors or rough estimates or to speculate on reasons. The funny thing about this is you stubborn nay sayers just don't get it. Every time you post a negative reply, another positive reply gets posted. Thanks to that this thread is turning into a threadnaught. It probably would have died out already if you didn't keep posting here. Bottom line: Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change. To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it. Aren't you the dude that was making wild predictions that Dust and Incarna were going to be tied together, when every bit of evidence said they will have absolutely nothing to do with eachother (even to the point of devs saying they will have nothing to do with eachother)? Because if so, you severely lack an understanding of EVE and CCP.
Space can be expanded in nearly limitless ways, and hundreds upon hundreds of ideas get presented that would do so. What EVE needs is a single playstyle (just one would do for now) that is not a dead end. There is no way that is going to be WiS. Not within the next decade will it be WiS. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:23:00 -
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mkint wrote:Aren't you the dude that was making wild predictions that Dust and Incarna were going to be tied together, when every bit of evidence said they will have absolutely nothing to do with eachother (even to the point of devs saying they will have nothing to do with eachother)? Because if so, you severely lack an understanding of EVE and CCP.
LoL, please post this Dev statement and evidence stating that DUST and EVE won't be tied together. Why don't you try watching the demonstration and progress report videos made by CCP Dev's explaining how they'll be interactive before posting your narrow minded viewpoints as fact.
mkint wrote:Space can be expanded in nearly limitless ways, and hundreds upon hundreds of ideas get presented that would do so.
Oh really? Please post a few of the limitless ways from the 100's and 100's of ideas already supposedly presented that will expand and create new game content based specifically on FiS.
mkint wrote:What EVE needs is a single playstyle (just one would do for now) that is not a dead end. There is no way that is going to be WiS. Not within the next decade will it be WiS.
Care to bet on that? Instead of using your mouth to spew negative troll remarks, put some money in it.
By the way, thanks for being a nay sayer and keeping this thread alive. Guess you'll be one of the first to swan dive into a Bio-Vat. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:44:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: LoL, please post this Dev statement and evidence stating that DUST and EVE won't be tied together. Why don't you try watching the demonstration and progress report videos made by CCP Dev's explaining how they'll be interactive before posting your narrow minded viewpoints as fact.
I have yet to see a single live demostration that actually shows EVE and Dust tied together so how about you find me something?
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Oh really? Please post a few of the limitless ways from the 100's and 100's of ideas already supposedly presented that will expand and create new game content based specifically on FiS.
Before I post my ideas, I'll give you the rare oppertunity to sell me the concept with WiS because CCP sure hasn't, not even when they announced the concept back in 2006.
DeMichael Crimson wrote: By the way, thanks for being a nay sayer and keeping this thread alive. Guess you'll be one of the first to swan dive into a Bio-Vat.
I doubt it. I for one enjoy the salty savory taste of tears from all the players locked up in a room, wanting out... 10/19 2011 - never forget the 20%
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Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:30:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bottom line: Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change.
To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it.
I would like to see WiS as well but really I have to call bs on this statement; "there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS", your imagination seems lacking.
Telling players to biomass and gtfo when it was CCP that chose the direction for Incarna and thought that one room plus the NEX Store was content is fairly misguided. Why would anyone want to see that version of Incarna added to with Aurum creeping into more and more aspects of station activities over time. Which by the way is one of the reasons we're at this point now.
Honestly I don't know why people aren't looking at CCP and saying what the hell were you guys thinking basically turning Ambulation upside down and removing any sandbox elements just to shoehorn in the cash shop. Not to mention the time and resources that were spent on it.
I don't know about others, but I would have been happy with what was shown as Ambulation as seen in the videos, etc, even with those graphics. Also at least in that the characters retained their unique look, unlike what we have now where additional clothing is worn by all bloodlines in an attempt to maximize the cash shop sales. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Athiven SkyWolf
Ancient Terran Allience
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double post |
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Athiven SkyWolf
Ancient Terran Allience
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Honestly I don't know why people aren't looking at CCP and saying what the hell were you guys thinking basically turning Ambulation upside down and removing any sandbox elements just to shoehorn in the cash shop. Not to mention the time and resources that were spent on it.
I think the goal of NEX store was to give WiS the ressources needed only from those enjoying it. This is why i am in favor of it. Heck i would be ready to pay double sub without even getting any NEX item if i knew for sure it would go toward WiS. But until they give us proof that they continue working on it i will unsub next month. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1256
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:37:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: LoL, please post this Dev statement and evidence stating that DUST and EVE won't be tied together. Why don't you try watching the demonstration and progress report videos made by CCP Dev's explaining how they'll be interactive before posting your narrow minded viewpoints as fact.
Alpheias wrote: I have yet to see a single live demostration that actually shows EVE and Dust tied together so how about you find me something?
lol, troll much? Please learn reading comprehension. Obviously since you can't find anything to disprove my statement you decide to shift the task of providing proof over to me. lol, nice fail try. As for a 'Live' demonstration, that isn't possible yet due to DUST514 hasn't even been released for private trials (Beta Test) which will last for about 6 months.
Video interview about DUST 514 with CCP Halldor Fannar explaining the game concept posted on Jun 13, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBDxkYsJKjg&feature=player_embedded
Hilmar interview from last year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfX77IGlVbg&feature=related
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Oh really? Please post a few of the limitless ways from the 100's and 100's of ideas already supposedly presented that will expand and create new game content based specifically on FiS.
Alpheias wrote: Before I post my ideas, I'll give you the rare oppertunity to sell me the concept with WiS because CCP sure hasn't, not even when they announced the concept back in 2006.
Again I ask, you troll much? Because you fail. You obviously can't post any ideas since you don't have any and in trying to save face, decided to give me 'the rare opportunity' to post scenarios pertaining to WiS. Sorry , I'm not going to do the searching for you. There have been multiple possibility's for WiS game content already posted in this and other various threads.
DeMichael Crimson wrote: By the way, thanks for being a nay sayer and keeping this thread alive. Guess you'll be one of the first to swan dive into a Bio-Vat.
Alpheias wrote: I doubt it. I for one enjoy the salty savory taste of tears from all the players locked up in a room, wanting out...
Hahaha, nice try but you still fail. But keep telling yourself that, maybe you'll believe it eventually. All I see from you is constant attempt to hide your emo rage with forum trolling. By the way, why switch characters from mkint? Attempting to create a majority rule?
Doesn't matter what you say, I'm done wasting my time with you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1256
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:27:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote: I would like to see WiS as well but really I have to call bs on this statement; "there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS", your imagination seems lacking.
Ahhh, another one who only see's what they want to see. I have already posted different scenarios for WiS game content in this thread. And I'm not talking about playing poker or getting a lap dance from a NPC stripper. But please, enlighten me with your vast imagination. My exact statement - Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. - So please, enlighten us.
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Telling players to biomass and gtfo when it was CCP that chose the direction for Incarna and thought that one room plus the NEX Store was content is fairly misguided. Why would anyone want to see that version of Incarna added to with Aurum creeping into more and more aspects of station activities over time. Which by the way is one of the reasons we're at this point now. First of all, I never told anyone to GTFO but I'll gladly extend that invitation to you since you seem bound and determined to twist my statement around and present it completely out of context.
Second, I never once said I supported NEX, MT, P2W, or this new version of Captains Quarters that we now have compared to what was promised and showcased in Ambulation. Trying to imply that I did is complete fail on your part.
Third, the only misguided person here is your self-righteous anger with me. My posted statement was directed to all the negative spam posters flooding this thread who keep lumping Incarna and WiS in the same group with NEX, MT, P2W, and the current CQ engine. The lack of content in the expansion for FiS is a totally different subject.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Doesn't matter what you say, I'm done wasting my time with you.
Ah, so you agree that you can read but not understand a single word, much less debate and have no clue yourself what WiS can actually bring to the table. I thought as much.
Pity as I was looking forward to this. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1256
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Posted - 2011.10.28 17:04:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Ah, so you agree that you can read but not understand a single word, much less debate and have no clue yourself what WiS can actually bring to the table. I thought as much.
Pity as I was looking forward to this.
OK, seems you'd rather twist my statements around than do a little bit of searching. Guess some people just need to be led by the hand.
There's multiple possibility's of game content that can be gained from WiS. There have been lot's of excellent scenarios already posted in the various threads about Incarna. Seriously, contrary to popular belief, playing poker and getting a Lap dance from npc strippers is not the end game for WiS.
Here's a couple of examples, like this and that.
It doesn't take very much imagination to come up with various ideas for game play content. Hell, I'm sure you could even come up with one or two ideas yourself. |
Madam Steele
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.10.28 17:34:00 -
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Vets need new content because that is now their endgame... the desire for new content.
I feel Eve needs to reinvent itself somewhat or it will go away, period. The mmo market has changed drastically since the birth of Eve and Eve needs to 'adapt or die'.
GÇ£The graveyard of any industry is filled with the headstones of companies who decided to keep doing things the same old wayGÇ¥. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
66
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Posted - 2011.10.28 18:30:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:killing the company working on the game. theres your reason. another reason ppl are pissed at the WiS crowd. They refuse to understand this.
So if customers tell a company what they are disappointed by certain decisions it is killing the company. Hmmm. Interesting take, especially after the events of the past year. I'm not sure if I agree yet. Time will tell.
Also, the refusal to understand goes for both sides. This is not a "WiS>FiS" thread. Putting priority on FiS does not mean they can not (ever) work on WiS again. But some people can't seem to get that into their heads, no matter how many times it is mentioned. This whole debate is polarized by some. Fortunatly there are still people trying to find the middle ground. |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2011.10.28 18:52:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: This thread was made for players to show their positive support for WiS. It didn't say anything about supporting NEX or abandoning FiS. It didn't say spam your negative opinions or bad attitudes here. It didn't say post unsubstantiated rumors or rough estimates or to speculate on reasons.
yeeeeeaaaaah gl with that. This is a forum. Means we WILL talk whether we like this feature or not. Whether YOU like it or not. HTFU
mkint wrote: Aren't you the dude that was making wild predictions that Dust and Incarna were going to be tied together, when every bit of evidence said they will have absolutely nothing to do with eachother (even to the point of devs saying they will have nothing to do with eachother)? Because if so, you severely lack an understanding of EVE and CCP.
And the nature of a public forum it seems (not mkint, the OP) GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
126
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Posted - 2011.10.28 18:54:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:[..]Its just the ppl that are now crying cause they shelved WiS that are pissing me off.
Why would you be pissed off by them? WiS lovers (yours truly included) were promised WiS. Very emphatically, for months. By Hilmar himself, and every other high-up CCP employee. In fact, you couldn't use a crowbar to beat the idea out of them, even if you tried. WiS was coming, to a theatre near us very soon, and no amount of arguing was ever gonna change their mind.
Then, all of a sudden, it's like: "Nope, changed my mind! You're not getting WiS after all. We'll deploy the bits and pieces we already have done, for good measure, and then we'll shelve the lot (and since we don't ever finish the stuff we do promise to complete even, you realize, of course, you can kiss WiS goodbye, right?)."
So, I ask, who has cause to be pissed? Or at the very least has cause to ask CCP to undue this mindjob they just pulled on us, and, I dunno, keep a promise for a change.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2011.10.28 18:55:00 -
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Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Honestly I don't know why people aren't looking at CCP and saying what the hell were you guys thinking basically turning Ambulation upside down and removing any sandbox elements just to shoehorn in the cash shop. Not to mention the time and resources that were spent on it.
I think the goal of NEX store was to give WiS the ressources needed only from those enjoying it. This is why i am in favor of it. Heck i would be ready to pay double sub without even getting any NEX item if i knew for sure it would go toward WiS. But until they give us proof that they continue working on it i will unsub next month.
ought to be interesting to see what they do after THIS wave of unsubs -.- GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.28 19:08:00 -
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So I played Earth and Beyond from launch till lights out. I played Eve briefly when it first came out (mostly for my job at the time which is another story) and quickly abandoned it to focus on E&B. When E&B lights out was announced I got back into Eve.
Here is what I found more compelling about E&B:
- Walking in stations and dealing with vendors "face to face" and meeing with my guild mates "face to face". There was even a disco. - The variation throughout space. Every system was unique! Colorful and often pretty. - Exploration was required to learn to get around. - The music and sound, in particular how the music was unique to your race and changed dynamically based on your activities and location. I still play the music sometimes as background music. - Humor - you had a good time in E&B. - Landing on and flying in planet atmospheres - Non human space MOBs - Ship personalization - Storyline was directly integrated into the game experience and was updated almost every month. - Immersion in stations, constant videos and ads were fun, even holiday music during the holiday season in stations - Mining was better - Random cool ship wrecks to salvage
What I liked about Eve better:
- Player dirven markets and Economy - Variation of ships and races/skills/carreer paths - Huge numbers of ships - Space was HUGE (but sadly looked the same everywhere) - Larger number of players on at any time - I could still play it and I had learned I was more interested in a SciFi space game with real space flight than wood elf bards.
So WiS for me was the first step to seeing Eve add back what I missed so much about Earth and Beyond. I would note that Earth and Beyond even when they plug was pulled had more subscriptions than Eve at the time. Earth and Beyond died because EA took the resources away to put on yet another elf and orc game not because there wasn't interest.
When E&B died I tried to get all my friends to move to Eve but most never got over the "I'm a ship, not a person" in Eve thing. I know without a doubt that if CCP does get us past the door, even it if is just to do basic interaction, the new subscription rate will increase and the new folks will be much more likely to stay.
So I am sure there are other folks that could tell you why the starwars game had higher subscriptions that Eve until the dreaded NPE reboot as it also showed what an avatar experience with flying in space can deliver in terms of fun.
So when the FiS zealots shout "go to WoW pathetic care bear" all I can say is they aren't taking a moment to realize that WoW isn't a SciFi game and I am here for a SciFi game. Right now there are very few choices if you prefer space to caves and forests. I'd say for the most part Eve has FiS pretty close to nailed. They have the markets and the ecconomy pretty close to nailed, they could do a little better with some aspects of mining and industry. But what they don't have is the immersion that comes from leaving your ship and remembering you are playing a humanoid in the distant future in a huge future civilization, not just some human autopilot in a ship. Once they add that next part Eve has the potential to become a mainstream game. And that means a lot more money in the pockets of CCP to deliver even better FiS.
So just FiS = Eve the size it is now mostly forever. FiS + WiS = Eve approaching WoW in player base. You FiS only guys need to realize that.
(Oh, and if CCP really wants to make Eve better, fix the sound and the music! Study after study have shown how much more emotional connection occurs when you get those right! Most folks I know in Eve don't even listen to the sounds and music in Eve which shows what a failure CCP has been with that aspect of Eve.)
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.28 19:11:00 -
[702] - Quote
Double posted once again, CCP your new forums are afflicted!
Issler |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
766
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:04:00 -
[703] - Quote
If I drink too much beer, I gotta WiS something fierce. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:24:00 -
[704] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: I would note that Earth and Beyond even when they plug was pulled had more subscriptions than Eve at the time.
Please provide link. |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
78
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:36:00 -
[705] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Agree. Has there been any clear indicator from CCP over the past 18 months showing how it would not be boring?
Um are you kidding, lets start with the "future of EVE" add as a starter. Then lets look at the fanfest WiS they presented us. Also all the dev blogs for the last couple years about all the things we were going to be able to do.
Things I was really looking forward to -
- Gathering rooms. It would be nice to see a representation of the people you are speaking with on TS or Vent or even Eve speak.
- Interactive Agents. Getting missions or doing anything with an NPC is about the most boring thing in this game. WiS is a great way to liven things up and to make missions a bit more exciting when you meet in the back alley to discuss the trouble he is asking you to get into.
- Customization of our avatars, our living quarters , as well as the bars and shops we were going to set up. One of the biggest draw backs for EVE is the confomatity of everything. They finally had a way to allow me to express myself as an individual rather than my ship and 100 other players whos ships that looked exactly like mine as my respresentation. (I still think Eve is stupid to not allow some type of customization for the ships, even if it is just a 2 color adjustment bar letting my ship have my colors rather than exactly the same a every other ship)
I am sure there are other things that other people were looking forward to but these are the ones on my list. |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:42:00 -
[706] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:OP posted a thread with the title - Quote:CCP! A lot of us want WiS OP stated in it - Quote:So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now. Just exactly which part of this do you nay sayers not understand?This thread was made for players to show their positive support for WiS. It didn't say anything about supporting NEX or abandoning FiS. It didn't say spam your negative opinions or bad attitudes here. It didn't say post unsubstantiated rumors or rough estimates or to speculate on reasons. The funny thing about this is you stubborn nay sayers just don't get it. Every time you post a negative reply, another positive reply gets posted. Thanks to that this thread is turning into a threadnaught. It probably would have died out already if you didn't keep posting here. Bottom line: Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change. To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it.
Firstly. This is a public forum accessible for all subscribers of Eve Online. This sub forum is General Discussion. It is not designed as forum for building a consensus of ideas (there are other sub forums for that). It is not designed as a forum for genteel discussion from a specific user group. It is open to anyone to express any view on any topic started which does not breach the Forum Rules.
tl:dr: Don't tell people what to post and what not to post.
Secondly: Content can be expanded in numerous ways both in FIS and WIS anyone who claims either doesn't have a future is being narrow minded. An integrated approach will have the most wow factor and make for the most dynamic playing environment.
tl:dr: A black and white viewpoint is stupid whatever position you hold in an arguement
Thirdly: Eve Online is not surviving? You are theory crafting. You are theory crafting after telling others they are not allowed to theory craft.
tl:dr:
Lastly: I came to this thread as an individual putting my mouth forward to say: "CCP please don't abandon WIS, I understand you have financial issues and are trying to get your house in order, but please keep the door open on this development" Reading this thread however I find a lack of rationality and pragmatism, by a subset of posters who are hypocritical in nature.
tl:dr: this thread is a petty in fight not a discussion of how WIS is positive.
PS: this is not a thread naught. 12000 posts in 3 days is a thread naught. 500 posts in 5 days is not. |
Cpt Arareb
Ideal Machine Many Reckless Corps
14
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:49:00 -
[707] - Quote
I s very simple really ...you can have only one ...now... FiS or WiS ...what is it? ...I go with FiS |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:50:00 -
[708] - Quote
My replies in bold italics:
Mekela wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Agree. Has there been any clear indicator from CCP over the past 18 months showing how it would not be boring? Um are you kidding, lets start with the "future of EVE" add as a starter. Then lets look at the fanfest WiS they presented us. Also all the dev blogs for the last couple years about all the things we were going to be able to do. Things I was really looking forward to -
- Gathering rooms. It would be nice to see a representation of the people you are speaking with on TS or Vent or even Eve speak. Not exciting at all
- Interactive Agents. Getting missions or doing anything with an NPC is about the most boring thing in this game. WiS is a great way to liven things up and to make missions a bit more exciting when you meet in the back alley to discuss the trouble he is asking you to get into.How is talking to an NPC face is more exciting than talking to an NPC window?
- Customization of our avatars, our living quarters , as well as the bars and shops we were going to set up. One of the biggest draw backs for EVE is the confomatity of everything. They finally had a way to allow me to express myself as an individual rather than my ship and 100 other players whos ships that looked exactly like mine as my respresentation. (I still think Eve is stupid to not allow some type of customization for the ships, even if it is just a 2 color adjustment bar letting my ship have my colors rather than exactly the same a every other ship)Customisable Living Quarters Shared Spaces Sure agree Not exactly innovative and exciting though. Customisable ships: This is a Single Shard game (LAG LAG LAG) Uniformity: It takes 6 months to get an Alliance Logo permitted and it has to be done in a uniform manner that fits the Eve Atmospherics - Your issue in this point is not with WIS but with the general feel of the game.
I am sure there are other things that other people were looking forward to but these are the ones on my list. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
791
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:51:00 -
[709] - Quote
Cpt Arareb wrote:you can have only one
Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:53:00 -
[710] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Cpt Arareb wrote:you can have only one
You can only have one right now. |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:54:00 -
[711] - Quote
Anyone else think that the WiS crowd should just **** off to Star Trek Online? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:02:00 -
[712] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Anyone else think that the WiS crowd should just **** off to Star Trek Online?
Star Trek Online is pretty bad. CCP has proven time and again that they can create a universe that has some real mood in it. Star Trek Online, Star Wars Galaxies, even The Old Republic are falling short on the basics of 'how to build a great starship game'. CCP knows how... so why not expand it? The groundwork is already done!
Besides, if they brought human avatars into EVE (not the single-room cage and overpriced monacles that were delivered), their customer base would expand greatly. More customers lead to more subscribers - everybody wins. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:12:00 -
[713] - Quote
I think that most of the pro WIS crowd realizes that we can only have one for now, anything else is unrealistic. There is still the completed work to be released with the Winter expansion to look forward to.
The main thrust of this thread has become.
1: We would like for the WIS concept to be continued when possible.
2: Now would be the time for the select few DEV's qualified to rethink the planned content (such as it was) and work on laying out the broad strokes for a proper implementation... including a sensible distribution of dev resources... and content that is appropriate, logical, and entertaining for that for that type of game play. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
78
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:31:00 -
[714] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:My replies in bold italics: Mekela wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Agree. Has there been any clear indicator from CCP over the past 18 months showing how it would not be boring? Um are you kidding, lets start with the "future of EVE" add as a starter. Then lets look at the fanfest WiS they presented us. Also all the dev blogs for the last couple years about all the things we were going to be able to do. Things I was really looking forward to -
- Gathering rooms. It would be nice to see a representation of the people you are speaking with on TS or Vent or even Eve speak. Not exciting at all
- Interactive Agents. Getting missions or doing anything with an NPC is about the most boring thing in this game. WiS is a great way to liven things up and to make missions a bit more exciting when you meet in the back alley to discuss the trouble he is asking you to get into.How is talking to an NPC face is more exciting than talking to an NPC window?
- Customization of our avatars, our living quarters , as well as the bars and shops we were going to set up. One of the biggest draw backs for EVE is the confomatity of everything. They finally had a way to allow me to express myself as an individual rather than my ship and 100 other players whos ships that looked exactly like mine as my respresentation. (I still think Eve is stupid to not allow some type of customization for the ships, even if it is just a 2 color adjustment bar letting my ship have my colors rather than exactly the same a every other ship)Customisable Living Quarters Shared Spaces Sure agree Not exactly innovative and exciting though. Customisable ships: This is a Single Shard game (LAG LAG LAG) Uniformity: It takes 6 months to get an Alliance Logo permitted and it has to be done in a uniform manner that fits the Eve Atmospherics - Your issue in this point is not with WIS but with the general feel of the game.
I am sure there are other things that other people were looking forward to but these are the ones on my list.
Why do people even play graphical games to start with. I know MUD's still exsist and they have no problem with lag or have graphics that get in the way of your gaming. What I am trying to say is that having a representation is a big deal and adds alot. One of the few good things about Blob warfare is the feeling you get when you see 500+ ships all gathered to gether getting ready for a fight. It feels powerfull to see that many people gathered together to accomplish this goal. Now imagine 500 avatars gathering together for an alliance meeting, that is alot different that watching 1 person type a question in a text box or listening to 1 voice over your headphones. (This is not about Lag or the technical aspects of it but rather things to look foward to. PS we know it is possible to do as I have seen avatars in other games that use less than a single ship rendering in EVE. CCP just decided to reinvent the wheel and it is up to them to find a way to make that wheel work with the tech we have now.)
Right now the avatar for agents is meaningless. They could have a single avatar for every single Agent and I doubt some people would even notice. Getting and turning in missions are pretty much completely ignored at this point. By creating an inneractive agent the feeling of missions would change alot. Here is a simple idea of how this could work. - You find an add asking for a ship captain. Walking over to the bartender you ask about the job and he tells you he might know something about it holding out his hand. You slip him and isk and he tells you to go over to the table in the corner and he wishes you luck. The shady fellow in the corner looks you over and then offers you a job of delievering 100 crates of small arms to a station 10 jumps away, he even offers a bonus if you can do it quickly... Now suddenly curiour missions are more exciting more part of a story. Epic story lines will actually feel epic, regular missions can feel more exciting and worth doing.
The last point was the fact that WiS is customizable and how that is important to alot of people. What I was trying to say was WiS is a step forward in the right direction and abbandoning WiS is a step backward and I don't believe companys do well when they are not moving foward. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:40:00 -
[715] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:I think that most of the pro WIS crowd realizes that we can only have one for now, anything else is unrealistic.
Nope, there are CCP employees still going to work everyday that are working on a dead vampire game. Not a lot, but still there. Move them to WiS now. When DUST is done and maybe bringing in cash and when some reasonable amount ot WiS is completed they can go back to work on Teenvamp Wonderland.
Issler |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:52:00 -
[716] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I think that most of the pro WIS crowd realizes that we can only have one for now, anything else is unrealistic. Nope, there are CCP employees still going to work everyday that are working on a dead vampire game. Not a lot, but still there. Move them to WiS now. When DUST is done and maybe bringing in cash and when some reasonable amount ot WiS is completed they can go back to work on Teenvamp Wonderland. Issler
My feeling is the the small team still working on WOD is quite probably working on things that will eventually be usable in Incarna, although I could be wrong on that count. At the present moment it is much more politically correct to simply refer to it as the "WOD team". This would be one benefit of the shared technology.
I'm sure they also have contractural obligations to White Wolf they need to fulfill.
Tinkering with the common engine in the background is fine for the moment, it serves both projects and doesn't start the rage ball bouncing.
I just want to make sure that the right people are working on the plan, and doing it now, even though that step should have happened a couple of years ago. It doesn't soak up a lot of resources, doesn't ruffle many feathers, and will serve everyone purposes (WIS or FIS fan) well sooner rather than later.
Also, WOD content is a far, far cry from Teenvamp Wonderland.
It's more like "I will sleep with you so I can drive your wife insane, rip out your best friends throat, make your children think you are responsible, and then leave you to die a slow death amid the shambles of your life" Wonderland.
Edit: Come to think of it, this would make a good template for future Incarna content. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
78
|
Posted - 2011.10.28 21:54:00 -
[717] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Anyone else think that the WiS crowd should just **** off to Star Trek Online?
Yes and then all Hi sec people should just leave and go play hello kitty online, and how about all Large SOV alliances should leave because it sucks that they controll too much. And all RPers should take a hike and play D&D, And all hulkagedon players and goons should leave because they are too mean.
There I think that solves it and now only the rest of us could have a good game, wait crap they are going to close the game now just because they can't afford to only have 100 people that play this game the way I like it? |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:55:00 -
[718] - Quote
Mekela wrote:Alpheias wrote:Anyone else think that the WiS crowd should just **** off to Star Trek Online? Yes and then all Hi sec people should just leave and go play hello kitty online, and how about all Large SOV alliances should leave because it sucks that they controll too much. And all RPers should take a hike and play D&D, And all hulkagedon players and goons should leave because they are too mean. There I think that solves it and now only the rest of us could have a good game, wait crap they are going to close the game now just because they can't afford to only have 100 people that play this game the way I like it?
it seems thats the way many ppl here wants to play... |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:57:00 -
[719] - Quote
One thing I find really dissappointing about CCP's response in this is that this thread is the most active and "liked" thread in the general discussion section of the forums and we still have only a single dev response and that was to tell us some posts are being moderated to the cornfield.
I would have liked to see even a lame "CCP knows that there are players interested in WiS and we will continue to take that into account in future planning for Eve feature work" from a dev. But the total lack of any response is surprising.
And haters, I'll save you some time...
I can already read you in my head, "WiS will or is killing Eve, Eve is FiS not WiS, add some comments about barbies, some unrelated stuff about NeX, ask me to leave for WoW, we can only have one, I am claiming I want WiS instead of FiS, that YOU can't see how WiS would be fun" or that "everyone quit because of WiS".
Heard it all before as has everyone else. If you are just going to repost that at least keep it brief (maybe I should just assign them all numbers)
However, if you disagree and have some new and interesting way to express it please do, I am encouraging adult discourse about the topic but seriously, if its just to repeat any of the above save everyone some time and don't. Some posts that are unsupportive of more WiS development at least seem to have some thought behind them. But many of them really don't.
Issler |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:58:00 -
[720] - Quote
Very sad to see WIS put aside.
I think the decisions at the top of CCP screwed their plans, not the actual things that were happening. They really failed to make the players happy due to rushed decisions and arrogant execution.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:00:00 -
[721] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Also, WOD content is a far, far cry from Teenvamp Wonderland. It's more like "I will sleep with you so I can drive your wife insane, rip out your best friends throat, make your children think you are responsible, and then leave you to die a slow death amid the shambles of your life" Wonderland. Edit: Come to think of it, this would make a good template for future Incarna content.
You never knew me as a teen...
Actually, I think even the FiSers would like that Incarna!
Issler |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:04:00 -
[722] - Quote
Mekela wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:My replies in bold italics: Mekela wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Agree. Has there been any clear indicator from CCP over the past 18 months showing how it would not be boring? Um are you kidding, lets start with the "future of EVE" add as a starter. Then lets look at the fanfest WiS they presented us. Also all the dev blogs for the last couple years about all the things we were going to be able to do. Things I was really looking forward to -
- Gathering rooms. It would be nice to see a representation of the people you are speaking with on TS or Vent or even Eve speak. Not exciting at all
- Interactive Agents. Getting missions or doing anything with an NPC is about the most boring thing in this game. WiS is a great way to liven things up and to make missions a bit more exciting when you meet in the back alley to discuss the trouble he is asking you to get into.How is talking to an NPC face is more exciting than talking to an NPC window?
- Customization of our avatars, our living quarters , as well as the bars and shops we were going to set up. One of the biggest draw backs for EVE is the confomatity of everything. They finally had a way to allow me to express myself as an individual rather than my ship and 100 other players whos ships that looked exactly like mine as my respresentation. (I still think Eve is stupid to not allow some type of customization for the ships, even if it is just a 2 color adjustment bar letting my ship have my colors rather than exactly the same a every other ship)Customisable Living Quarters Shared Spaces Sure agree Not exactly innovative and exciting though. Customisable ships: This is a Single Shard game (LAG LAG LAG) Uniformity: It takes 6 months to get an Alliance Logo permitted and it has to be done in a uniform manner that fits the Eve Atmospherics - Your issue in this point is not with WIS but with the general feel of the game.
I am sure there are other things that other people were looking forward to but these are the ones on my list. Why do people even play graphical games to start with. I know MUD's still exsist and they have no problem with lag or have graphics that get in the way of your gaming. What I am trying to say is that having a representation is a big deal and adds alot. One of the few good things about Blob warfare is the feeling you get when you see 500+ ships all gathered to gether getting ready for a fight. It feels powerfull to see that many people gathered together to accomplish this goal. Now imagine 500 avatars gathering together for an alliance meeting, that is alot different that watching 1 person type a question in a text box or listening to 1 voice over your headphones. (This is not about Lag or the technical aspects of it but rather things to look foward to. PS we know it is possible to do as I have seen avatars in other games that use less than a single ship rendering in EVE. CCP just decided to reinvent the wheel and it is up to them to find a way to make that wheel work with the tech we have now.) Right now the avatar for agents is meaningless. They could have a single avatar for every single Agent and I doubt some people would even notice. Getting and turning in missions are pretty much completely ignored at this point. By creating an inneractive agent the feeling of missions would change alot. Here is a simple idea of how this could work. - You find an add asking for a ship captain. Walking over to the bartender you ask about the job and he tells you he might know something about it holding out his hand. You slip him and isk and he tells you to go over to the table in the corner and he wishes you luck. The shady fellow in the corner looks you over and then offers you a job of delievering 100 crates of small arms to a station 10 jumps away, he even offers a bonus if you can do it quickly... Now suddenly curiour missions are more exciting more part of a story. Epic story lines will actually feel epic, regular missions can feel more exciting and worth doing. The last point was the fact that WiS is customizable and how that is important to alot of people. What I was trying to say was WiS is a step forward in the right direction and abbandoning WiS is a step backward and I don't believe companys do well when they are not moving foward.
I get what your saying: Pretty things attract people. More realistic interaction is more stimulating. After all that though Flying 20 jumps to drop off a container of arms (10 each way) is still boring.
Regarding alliance meetings; I have been in numerous alliances of many sizes and only twice in 5 years have I been in an alliance meeting where everybody was in same system. While having a sea of avatars in a room would look pretty, it would add little to the game other than looking pretty.
My point is: Substance. What new exciting substance can WIS deliver? If my Avatar was able to walk to a Planetary portal in a station, kit up in dust gear and then get transported onto a DUST planet to fight that FPS game - that would be exciting. If my Avatar was able to enter a bar owned by a rival corp and rough the inhabitants up and get carted away by police to pay some fines - that would be exciting. If my Avatar was able to linger in a dark alley way and mug a courier of his 10 containers of small arms - and then use said containers of small arms - that would be exciting.
The discussion of WIS in this thread is largely limited to the aesthetic and to things already functional in other software. WIS is a concept that needs implementation that adds to the substance of Eve Online.
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Zleon Leigh
91
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:16:00 -
[723] - Quote
@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3133
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:27:00 -
[724] - Quote
The WiS engine simply isn't ready to support gameplay expansions. Deal with it and get over it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Pent'nor
32
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:48:00 -
[725] - Quote
There are probably a few plans that would make the wis crowd happy because I just want to know what the plan is or know that they have not given up on it.
Plans that include a small team (meaning we are working on it but its not a priority) 1. Move the remaining wod team to wis. (They may have some sort of obligation, I don't know) 2. Keep a small team that can work on some aspect of wis. (Doesn't have to be coding, there are lots of other things too) 3. Keep that art department working on wis since they have said before that it was a bottleneck
Plans that do not require a team. (I don't like these but I would be content to know there is a plan) 1. No progress on wis will be made until they finish dust because it is too many projects 2. No progress on wis until the winter expansion is done, then they will look at balancing development
Plans that I really do not like (I DO NOT support any of these! And would not be happy) 1. Say nothing about wis and leave it in the air because to say what their plan or lack of plan is may result in unsubs. 2. Wis was only meant for wod so when they start large development for wod again, they will look at wis also. 3. They really have no plan and are waiting to see how the playerbase reacts to news of fis only 4. They will come back to wis when they get a certain number of subs 5. They will come back to wis when a few years have gone by 6. They will never come back to wis
No matter what the plan maybe, i would encourage people to NOT unsub because of it, as some kind of protest. Unsubs only hurt the company in a time when they are already having money issues. Support ccp and make your voice known through the forums and if the csm is not addressing your concerns, then next time make sure to vote for one that does. |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:52:00 -
[726] - Quote
Pent'nor wrote:There are probably a few plans that would make the wis crowd happy because I just want to know what the plan is or know that they have not given up on it.
Plans that include a small team (meaning we are working on it but its not a priority) 1. Move the remaining wod team to wis. (They may have some sort of obligation, I don't know) 2. Keep a small team that can work on some aspect of wis. (Doesn't have to be coding, there are lots of other things too) 3. Keep that art department working on wis since they have said before that it was a bottleneck
Plans that do not require a team. (I don't like these but I would be content to know there is a plan) 1. No progress on wis will be made until they finish dust because it is too many projects 2. No progress on wis until the winter expansion is done, then they will look at balancing development
Plans that I really do not like (I DO NOT support any of these! And would not be happy) 1. Say nothing about wis and leave it in the air because to say what their plan or lack of plan is may result in unsubs. 2. Wis was only meant for wod so when they start large development for wod again, they will look at wis also. 3. They really have no plan and are waiting to see how the playerbase reacts to news of fis only 4. They will come back to wis when they get a certain number of subs 5. They will come back to wis when a few years have gone by 6. They will never come back to wis
No matter what the plan maybe, i would encourage people to NOT unsub because of it, as some kind of protest. Unsubs only hurt the company in a time when they are already having money issues. Support ccp and make your voice known through the forums and if the csm is not addressing your concerns, then next time make sure to vote for one that does.
Bolded underlined and italiced the typical CCP course of action.
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Yvan Ratamnim
Phoenix Evolved Part Duo
62
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:53:00 -
[727] - Quote
I have to say, i want WiS badly but done with atleast minimal multiplayer to start.....
But i want WiS as a secondary to FiS... FiS should have priority but there should be a small core team working on WiS development continually atleast get us corp offices and establishments. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
372
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:56:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:[..]Its just the ppl that are now crying cause they shelved WiS that are pissing me off. Why would you be pissed off by them? WiS lovers (yours truly included) were promised WiS. Very emphatically, for months. By Hilmar himself, and every other high-up CCP employee. In fact, you couldn't use a crowbar to beat the idea out of them, even if you tried. WiS was coming, to a theatre near us very soon, and no amount of arguing was ever gonna change their mind. Then, all of a sudden, it's like: "Nope, changed my mind! You're not getting WiS after all. We'll deploy the bits and pieces we already have done, for good measure, and then we'll shelve the lot (and since we don't ever finish the stuff we do promise to complete even, you realize, of course, you can kiss WiS goodbye, right?)." So, I ask, who has cause to be pissed? Or at the very least has cause to ask CCP to undue this mindjob they just pulled on us, and, I dunno, keep a promise for a change.
yet another WiS-er that ignores the fact that they had to drop 20% of the staff FOR A REASON AND that you got two years of non stop attention while FiS SAT.
You should be grateful they didnt rip what you HAVE of WiS out of the game instead of them working on it after the work on FiS (That theyve neglected, again for two years to work on WiS)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:59:00 -
[729] - Quote
Mekela wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Agree. Has there been any clear indicator from CCP over the past 18 months showing how it would not be boring? Um are you kidding, lets start with the "future of EVE" add as a starter. Then lets look at the fanfest WiS they presented us. Also all the dev blogs for the last couple years about all the things we were going to be able to do. Things I was really looking forward to -
- Gathering rooms. It would be nice to see a representation of the people you are speaking with on TS or Vent or even Eve speak.
- Interactive Agents. Getting missions or doing anything with an NPC is about the most boring thing in this game. WiS is a great way to liven things up and to make missions a bit more exciting when you meet in the back alley to discuss the trouble he is asking you to get into.
- Customization of our avatars, our living quarters , as well as the bars and shops we were going to set up. One of the biggest draw backs for EVE is the confomatity of everything. They finally had a way to allow me to express myself as an individual rather than my ship and 100 other players whos ships that looked exactly like mine as my respresentation. (I still think Eve is stupid to not allow some type of customization for the ships, even if it is just a 2 color adjustment bar letting my ship have my colors rather than exactly the same a every other ship)
I am sure there are other things that other people were looking forward to but these are the ones on my list.
They tried. They failed.
get over it
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:04:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote: Was Very sad to see FIS put aside.
I think the decisions at the top of CCP screwed their plans, not the actual things that were happening. They really failed to make the players happy due to rushed decisions and arrogant execution.
fixt
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:05:00 -
[731] - Quote
Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes
apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:30:00 -
[732] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.
If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point.
Issler |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:32:00 -
[733] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler
yeah.... cause likes matter
as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:19:00 -
[734] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler yeah.... cause likes matter as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts
I personally don't put a lot of emphasis on the number of "likes" in a thread, but at least it doesn't have none.
I do feel the need to point out that a large number of the posts in that thread were nay sayers (believe it or not), and a HUGE number of them were blatant troll posts (by people that freely admitted they were trolling both sides for maximum effect).
But you are quite right, the people that hope Incarna won't be permanently shelved are not as emotionally invested as those who spoke out against the incredible string of screw ups going on at the time of Incarna's release... thank god. I have absolutely no desire to go through something like that again.
By the same token, most people advocating in favor of WIS content are not asking for CCP to scrap their FIS plans for the Winter release... or even change them.
Many simply want to let CCP know that they still like the concept, and to please not shelve it completely. Instead devote a sensible portion of resources to it when they can, actually develop a sensible framework of appropriate content for it that whenever possible enhances FIS content, and above all don't gimp FIS content development unduly in the process this time.
Make a plan, make sure it's a good plan, check with us to get confirmation it's a good plan, and THEN start work developing it.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.10.29 01:49:00 -
[735] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler yeah.... cause likes matter as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts
That was me. For accuracy I was referring to the Incarna feedback thread which reached some 12000 replies in 3 days where as this thread is on 520ish after 5 days |
Lord Wiggin
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
24
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Posted - 2011.10.29 02:17:00 -
[736] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:The WiS engine simply isn't ready to support gameplay expansions. Deal with it and get over it.
Which is what makes it really sad....for four years they have been promising WIS....and they apparently still can't deliver it. It's no wonder that some people are still on the fence, their track record of implementing major changes is not very good.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2011.10.29 03:45:00 -
[737] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler yeah.... cause likes matter as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts That was me. For accuracy I was referring to the Incarna feedback thread which reached some 12000 replies in 3 days where as this thread is on 520ish after 5 days
I think the first guy was referring to real threadnaughts IE "an open letter to CCP" during T20
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
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Posted - 2011.10.29 03:56:00 -
[738] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler The likes system doesn't work that way, a lot of the 'likes' in this thread are actually for posts against WiS. Out of 1035 likes (at time of posting) there are only 86 for your original post.
If you wanted to be accurate then you would have to tally up both the positive and negative 'likes' in this thread.
The total likes for this thread overall is not a good barometer for positive interest in WiS content. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Captain Alcatraz
Douchingtons Shadow Cartel
69
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Posted - 2011.10.29 04:08:00 -
[739] - Quote
WiS is cool if it includes smuggling, black market, establishments, bars etc.
Not so cool if it's a single player room that doubles the client ram usage and that burns CPUs.
To reach its fully featured and functional state, it will have taken 10x the amount of work required to build the same amount of features for the space game, as they have to build the tech from scratch as they develop it. And in the end it dosnt add much if anything to the core of the game, it's a world on its own. That's the problem of WIS. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2011.10.29 06:14:00 -
[740] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler The likes system doesn't work that way, a lot of the 'likes' in this thread are actually for posts against WiS. Out of 1035 likes (at time of posting) there are only 86 for your original post. If you wanted to be accurate then you would have to tally up both the positive and negative 'likes' in this thread. The total likes for this thread overall is not a good barometer for positive interest in WiS content.
roflmao 86/1035
yeah a "majority"
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
82
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Posted - 2011.10.29 06:45:00 -
[741] - Quote
I read this thread, then I go and read Hilmar's groveling apology.
People simple will not learn, nor wake up and smell the coffee. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Hershman
Creeper Collective
144
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Posted - 2011.10.29 07:01:00 -
[742] - Quote
Pent'nor wrote:There are probably a few plans that would make the wis crowd happy because I just want to know what the plan is or know that they have not given up on it.
Plans that include a small team (meaning we are working on it but its not a priority) 1. Move the remaining wod team to wis. (They may have some sort of obligation, I don't know) 2. Keep a small team that can work on some aspect of wis. (Doesn't have to be coding, there are lots of other things too) 3. Keep that art department working on wis since they have said before that it was a bottleneck
Plans that do not require a team. (I don't like these but I would be content to know there is a plan) 1. No progress on wis will be made until they finish dust because it is too many projects 2. No progress on wis until the winter expansion is done, then they will look at balancing development
Plans that I really do not like (I DO NOT support any of these! And would not be happy) 1. Say nothing about wis and leave it in the air because to say what their plan or lack of plan is may result in unsubs. 2. Wis was only meant for wod so when they start large development for wod again, they will look at wis also. 3. They really have no plan and are waiting to see how the playerbase reacts to news of fis only 4. They will come back to wis when they get a certain number of subs 5. They will come back to wis when a few years have gone by 6. They will never come back to wis
No matter what the plan maybe, i would encourage people to NOT unsub because of it, as some kind of protest. Unsubs only hurt the company in a time when they are already having money issues. Support ccp and make your voice known through the forums and if the csm is not addressing your concerns, then next time make sure to vote for one that does.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. News of WiS being handled by a specialist team would be magnificent. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.10.29 07:50:00 -
[743] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:I read this thread, then I go and read Hilmar's groveling apology.
People simple will not learn, nor wake up and smell the coffee.
Well, actually they do learn.
When you do something the wrong way and fail, if that thing was worthwhile you learn from your mistakes and go back and do it correctly the next time.
A lot of people think the WIS concept was worthwhile, and would like it to be revisited when possible... but this time with an appropriate plan in pace ahead of time to do it correctly and not stomp on FIS content development in the process.
Mmmmm, that coffee smells good.... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.29 10:03:00 -
[744] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler yeah.... cause likes matter as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts That was me. For accuracy I was referring to the Incarna feedback thread which reached some 12000 replies in 3 days where as this thread is on 520ish after 5 days
So everyone that seems to like to point out the huge backlash after Incarna has to acknowledge that this was a result that after years of promise of awesome WiS coming soon (tm) we got one room and the only single player per room MMO in the 'verse. What we got was NOTHING like what we were promised. It was the I got you a pony and instead we got a steaming pile of pony droppings.
So now CCP says that four piles of pony droppings is in fact the Incarna we always were promised by CCP "now shut up and play with your ponies!"
Oh, and why this is all the Incarna you will ever get is because you have told us you hate ponies.
You also have to admit that since the forums changed threadnaughts are different. This is with out a doubt one of the most active threads "new forum".
I don't know why but for some reason old forum threads were bigger than new forums ones.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.29 10:23:00 -
[745] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler yeah.... cause likes matter as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts
But half the numbers in this thread when you go back and remove the same negative poster that posted the same thing over and over aren't against WiS. Most of the thread when you filter the same haters that post over and over want CCP to say some form of WiS is still in plan after this expansion.
This reply should also be considered a reply to the other recent posters that basically said the same thing.
Bottom line, I didn't ask for WiS over FiS. I asked for folks to post here to tell Hilmar that a lot of us want WiS to keep being worked on in parallel to FiS going forward. That seemed to open the door for a lot of intellectually limited folk to get to explain to us how getting out of their ships confuses and frightens them. It also seemed to let a lot of closetted barbie fans to post anti-barbie sentiment to try and an hide their secret dress up fetishness.
So this thread should be making my point to CCP, many of us want WiS back in plan and want CCP to tell us it will be worked on after this expansion. To folks that the idea of WiS still happening threatens them all I can say is "F" you, we WiS fans pay our subscriptions too and if Eve is to survive WiS has to happen.
CCP, get WiS back in plan and get rich! Pretty simple!
Issler
P.S. Stop comparing old forum post numbers to new forum post numbers! The lameness of the new forums seem to make that impossible. The new forums are just too unstable to compare the two. |
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries The Black Armada
70
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Posted - 2011.10.29 11:50:00 -
[746] - Quote
Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying.
GTFO of MY EvE Online!!!!
Fix old content or bust. We want internet Spaceships in our internet spaceship game.....
If you want barbies online, go play 2nd life! G¥Æ Single G¥Æ Taken G£ö Playing EVE Online
CCP Guard > Where's the shoot button on this thing? CCP Space Cadet > What's this "offline guns" button do? http://tinyurl.com/dxwseds |
T-Jay Charante
The Scope Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2011.10.29 12:24:00 -
[747] - Quote
Zendoren wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. GTFO of MY EvE Online!!!! Fix old content or bust. We want internet Spaceships in our internet spaceship game..... If you want barbies online, go play 2nd life!
Everyone should indeed take this guys advice. EvE is old and stale, the sooner people leave and let it die, the quicker some competent gaming company can make a complete sci-fi simulator, not just a bad Elite clone.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1256
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Posted - 2011.10.29 13:11:00 -
[748] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:OP posted a thread with the title - Quote:CCP! A lot of us want WiS OP stated in it - Quote:So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now. Just exactly which part of this do you nay sayers not understand?This thread was made for players to show their positive support for WiS. It didn't say anything about supporting NEX or abandoning FiS. It didn't say spam your negative opinions or bad attitudes here. It didn't say post unsubstantiated rumors or rough estimates or to speculate on reasons. The funny thing about this is you stubborn nay sayers just don't get it. Every time you post a negative reply, another positive reply gets posted. Thanks to that this thread is turning into a threadnaught. It probably would have died out already if you didn't keep posting here. Bottom line: Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change. To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it. Firstly. This is a public forum accessible for all subscribers of Eve Online. This sub forum is General Discussion. It is not designed as forum for building a consensus of ideas (there are other sub forums for that). It is not designed as a forum for genteel discussion from a specific user group. It is open to anyone to express any view on any topic started which does not breach the Forum Rules. tl:dr: Don't tell people what to post and what not to post. Secondly: Content can be expanded in numerous ways both in FIS and WIS anyone who claims either doesn't have a future is being narrow minded. An integrated approach will have the most wow factor and make for the most dynamic playing environment. tl:dr: A black and white viewpoint is stupid whatever position you hold in an arguement Thirdly: Eve Online is not surviving? You are theory crafting. You are theory crafting after telling others they are not allowed to theory craft. tl:dr: Lastly: I came to this thread as an individual putting my mouth forward to say: "CCP please don't abandon WIS, I understand you have financial issues and are trying to get your house in order, but please keep the door open on this development" Reading this thread however I find a lack of rationality and pragmatism, by a subset of posters who are hypocritical in nature. tl:dr: this thread is a petty in fight not a discussion of how WIS is positive. PS: this is not a thread naught. 12000 posts in 3 days is a thread naught. 500 posts in 5 days is not.
Go back to school and learn reading comprehension. Twisting my statements around in an attempt to justify your self-righteous attitude is fail troll.
Firstly - OP asked for only those who wanted WiS to please post in this thread. Doesn't matter what you think, any anti-WiS reply or negative personal attacks against those who post support for WiS could be considered, per Forum Rules, as flaming and trolling in an attempt to derail thread and cause Flame war. As per Forum rules, that alone could be used as reason for removal of said posted replies..
Secondly - My statement >'Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS.< I never posted against FiS. This thread isn't about adding new FiS game content but since you want to make my statement about it an issue, please enlighten me with a few of your ideas pertaining to new game content strictly for FiS.
Thirdly - Again you twist my statements around and portray them out of context. My statement > 'Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content.'< I'm not gonna list all the details/events or go into 'Theory Crafting' as to why, but when a company does internal restructuring and changes it's direction, shelves projects and does mass personnel lay-offs, it's hurting.
Lastly - If you indeed wanted to post support for WiS, you wouldn't have adopted a self-righteous attitude and twisted the context of my post into something completely different. Your statement > "CCP please don't abandon WIS, I understand you have financial issues and are trying to get your house in order, but please keep the door open on this development"< is hypocritical when compared to the other statements listed in this and your other posted replies.
P.S. Again you twist my statement around and portray it out of context. My statement >'Thanks to that this thread is turning into a thread-naught'< I never said it is a thread-naught. 'Turning into' and 'is' are 2 different things. Also comparing the new forums to the old forums is like comparing Apples to Oranges. Both are completely different entities.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2011.10.29 13:51:00 -
[749] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
P.S. Stop comparing old forum post numbers to new forum post numbers! The lameness of the new forums seem to make that impossible. The new forums are just too unstable to compare the two.
Issler Dainze wrote: You also have to admit that since the forums changed threadnaughts are different. This is with out a doubt one of the most active threads "new forum".
I don't know why but for some reason old forum threads were bigger than new forums ones.
"Stop doing what Im doing its making me look bad!"
YOU bring up the comparison then try to get ppl to stop the comparison cause its not going your way Kinda like this thread.
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2011.10.29 13:53:00 -
[750] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:stuff
Firstly, you fail at understanding forums Secondly, you fail at understanding forums Thirdly, you fail at understanding forums Lastly, you fail at understanding forums
P.S. you fail at understanding forums Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1256
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Posted - 2011.10.29 14:26:00 -
[751] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:stuff
Failed troll
+1 for troll effort.
-10 for lack of reading comprehension and vocabulary skills..
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Slatiska Wolfovna
Eve's Communist Party
1
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Posted - 2011.10.29 15:26:00 -
[752] - Quote
I too want WiS, for no logical reason, I just like the idea.
However, showing us a door and a laggy room is extremly frustrating, as everyone on the thread already said ! |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
150
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Posted - 2011.10.29 15:27:00 -
[753] - Quote
blip |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2011.10.29 15:45:00 -
[754] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:stuff
Failed troll +1 for troll effort. -10 for lack of reading comprehension and vocabulary skills..
Quote:Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS.
shows your bias against FiS cause YOU think theres no point in further developing it. Thats why people react negatively to your argument. Thats not that hard to figure out
Quote: This thread isn't about adding new FiS game content.
yes, its about not abandoning WiS. But given the people in this thread that ARE championing for WiS over FiS (there are some, ppl; that say "Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS." comes to mind on that) of course thats gonna come up. Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Quote:'Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content.'
I agree but I disagree that the only direction they can go in is WiS
Quote:Lastly - If you indeed wanted to post support for WiS, you wouldn't have adopted a self-righteous attitude and twisted the context of my post into something completely different. Your statement > "CCP please don't abandon WIS, I understand you have financial issues and are trying to get your house in order, but please keep the door open on this development"< is hypocritical when compared to the other statements listed in this and your other posted replies.
damn lol ok I didnt read it the first time and I agree Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.29 20:36:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:OP posted a thread with the title - Quote:CCP! A lot of us want WiS OP stated in it - Quote:So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now. Just exactly which part of this do you nay sayers not understand?This thread was made for players to show their positive support for WiS. It didn't say anything about supporting NEX or abandoning FiS. It didn't say spam your negative opinions or bad attitudes here. It didn't say post unsubstantiated rumors or rough estimates or to speculate on reasons. The funny thing about this is you stubborn nay sayers just don't get it. Every time you post a negative reply, another positive reply gets posted. Thanks to that this thread is turning into a threadnaught. It probably would have died out already if you didn't keep posting here. Bottom line: Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change. To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it. Firstly. This is a public forum accessible for all subscribers of Eve Online. This sub forum is General Discussion. It is not designed as forum for building a consensus of ideas (there are other sub forums for that). It is not designed as a forum for genteel discussion from a specific user group. It is open to anyone to express any view on any topic started which does not breach the Forum Rules. tl:dr: Don't tell people what to post and what not to post. Secondly: Content can be expanded in numerous ways both in FIS and WIS anyone who claims either doesn't have a future is being narrow minded. An integrated approach will have the most wow factor and make for the most dynamic playing environment. tl:dr: A black and white viewpoint is stupid whatever position you hold in an arguement Thirdly: Eve Online is not surviving? You are theory crafting. You are theory crafting after telling others they are not allowed to theory craft. tl:dr: Lastly: I came to this thread as an individual putting my mouth forward to say: "CCP please don't abandon WIS, I understand you have financial issues and are trying to get your house in order, but please keep the door open on this development" Reading this thread however I find a lack of rationality and pragmatism, by a subset of posters who are hypocritical in nature. tl:dr: this thread is a petty in fight not a discussion of how WIS is positive. PS: this is not a thread naught. 12000 posts in 3 days is a thread naught. 500 posts in 5 days is not. Go back to school and learn reading comprehension. Twisting my statements around in an attempt to justify your self-righteous attitude is fail troll. Firstly - OP asked for only those who wanted WiS to please post in this thread. Doesn't matter what you think, any anti-WiS reply or negative personal attacks against those who post support for WiS could be considered, per Forum Rules, as flaming and trolling in an attempt to derail thread and cause Flame war. As per Forum rules, that alone could be used as reason for removal of said posted replies.. Secondly - My statement >'Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS.< I never posted against FiS. This thread isn't about adding new FiS game content but since you want to make my statement about it an issue, please enlighten me with a few of your ideas pertaining to new game content strictly for FiS. Thirdly - Again you twist my statements around and portray them out of context. My statement > 'Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content.'< I'm not gonna list all the details/events or go into 'Theory Crafting' as to why, but when a company does internal restructuring and changes it's direction, shelves projects and does mass personnel lay-offs, it's hurting. Lastly - If you indeed wanted to post support for WiS, you wouldn't have adopted a self-righteous attitude and twisted the context of my post into something completely different. Your statement > "CCP please don't abandon WIS, I understand you have financial issues and are trying to get your house in order, but please keep the door open on this development"< is hypocritical when compared to the other statements listed in this and your other posted replies. P.S. Again you twist my statement around and portray it out of context. My statement >'Thanks to that this thread is turning into a thread-naught'< I never said it is a thread-naught. 'Turning into' and 'is' are 2 different things. Also comparing the new forums to the old forums is like comparing Apples to Oranges. Both are completely different entities.
I support the development of WIS concept. I have engaged with the OP in rationale discussion regarding the how and the when.
I have no respect for your posting. You are attempting to out shout every view you think may descent from yours - even those who fundamentally agree with you. Your logic is flawed, your understanding of the issues at hand is limited. Please stop posting as you are making those of us who see a future for WIS look like ******** wow players. |
Pent'nor
32
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:02:00 -
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I've been thinking about that small developer team over a wod. Incarna clearly had problems with lag, even with all of the graphic options turned off/low I would still lag around, but ofcourse i'm not playing eve on a gaming computer. (i'm surprised the asus slate can run eve at all.) So before the incarna platform can be used in wod, they would have to fix the lag issue or find a way too dumb down the graphics enough that most newer non gaming camputers can run it without lag. If that small team at wod are coders, then i would think that this is their first priority, which would be a framework thing that can be reused in wis. If I go with this thinking, then they are working on wis, but are hiding it from the eve community. I would much rather have them say this if my thinking is on the right path. Of course I still want balanced fis/wis development after the winter expansion, but i thought the speculation was interesting, so i'd share it. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1256
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:57:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:I support the development of WIS concept. I have engaged with the OP in rationale discussion regarding the how and the when.
I have no respect for your posting. You are attempting to out shout every view you think may descent from yours - even those who fundamentally agree with you. Your logic is flawed, your understanding of the issues at hand is limited. Please stop posting as you are making those of us who see a future for WIS look like ******** wow players.
Actually, the feeling is mutual. Gotta say you're good at being manipulative and twisting statements around to suit your own warped version of the facts. What's really ironic is you condemning others for things you constantly do.
To use a quote made by you: You are theory crafting. You are theory crafting after telling others they are not allowed to theory craft.
How about you start practicing what you preach.
Jita Alt666 wrote:This is a public forum accessible for all subscribers of Eve Online. This sub forum is General Discussion. It is not designed as forum for building a consensus of ideas (there are other sub forums for that). It is not designed as a forum for genteel discussion from a specific user group. It is open to anyone to express any view on any topic started which does not breach the Forum Rules. tl:dr: Don't tell people what to post and what not to post. tl:dr: A black and white viewpoint is stupid whatever position you hold in an arguement tl:dr: tl:dr: this thread is a petty in fight not a discussion of how WIS is positive.
Nice try at trying to make me look like the bad guy while trolling me with a couple of your characters/alts. Personally I think you're intentionally trying to derail this thread by starting a flame war. You not only spam your biased opinions but you're also the loudest hypocrite posting in this thread.
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Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.10.30 02:06:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:I support the development of WIS concept. I have engaged with the OP in rationale discussion regarding the how and the when.
I have no respect for your posting. You are attempting to out shout every view you think may descent from yours - even those who fundamentally agree with you. Your logic is flawed, your understanding of the issues at hand is limited. Please stop posting as you are making those of us who see a future for WIS look like ******** wow players. Actually, the feeling is mutual. Gotta say you're good at being manipulative and twisting statements around to suit your own warped version of the facts. What's really ironic is you condemning others for things you constantly do. To use a quote made by you: You are theory crafting. You are theory crafting after telling others they are not allowed to theory craft. How about you start practicing what you preach. Jita Alt666 wrote:This is a public forum accessible for all subscribers of Eve Online. This sub forum is General Discussion. It is not designed as forum for building a consensus of ideas (there are other sub forums for that). It is not designed as a forum for genteel discussion from a specific user group. It is open to anyone to express any view on any topic started which does not breach the Forum Rules. tl:dr: Don't tell people what to post and what not to post. tl:dr: A black and white viewpoint is stupid whatever position you hold in an arguement tl:dr: tl:dr: this thread is a petty in fight not a discussion of how WIS is positive. Nice try at trying to make me look like the bad guy while trolling me with a couple of your characters/alts. Personally I think you're intentionally trying to derail this thread by starting a flame war. You not only spam your biased opinions but you're also the loudest hypocrite posting in this thread.
I am not using multiple alts, the suggestion that I do reveals more about you than me. I have done and am continuing to discuss this and other issues in a constructive manner.
WIS implementation is one way forward for Eve Online. I think it is possibly important to the future of the game over the next 5 years.
I also understand that CCP are going through a rough patch - a rough patch that has not been caused by the performance of Eve Online in its current incarnation (sic) but by out of Eve factors.
Now if you can not take that rationale clear view as presented but wish to engage in petty personal attacks - be my guest. The future of this thread is in your hands. My impression is that thus far you have been treating you friends as foes and aiming to win the argument post by post.
Lastly I have to comment on your use of the term theory crafting; please go and check any common definitions you wish. The way you use the term is akin to calling an apple.an orange simply because both are items of fruit. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2011.10.30 02:16:00 -
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Well, as long as we are trying to bend statistics to our viewpoint I might as well join the party.
1st post: "We want WiS" 88 likes around time of this post. 2nd post: "Abandon WiS" 29 likes around time of this post. 3rd post: "most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented." 33 likes around the time of this post. Make of this what you will. Edit: I changed my mind, after reviewing this thread again, it is clear to me that a majority of those liking/posting on this thread want WiS in some form at some point in time.
Now, on to more significant stuff, as this thread is mostly off-topic anyway:
Ranger 1 wrote:[Also, WOD content is a far, far cry from Teenvamp Wonderland. QFT On a side note, I strongly oppose the view that WiS is just a WoD beta.
Kengutsi Akira wrote:yet another WiS-er that ignores the fact that they had to drop 20% of the staff FOR A REASON AND that you got two years of non stop attention while FiS SAT.
You should be grateful they didnt rip what you HAVE of WiS out of the game instead of them working on it after the work on FiS (That theyve neglected, again for two years to work on WiS) Yes, and wether that reason is that people are against WiS is an oversimplification in my opinion. People would have hated Apocrypha if CCP took the same strategy as they did with WiS, which would amount to "you have your wormholes, you just can't enter them." I was also one of the people posting in the threadnaughts of last summer. Personally I think the opposition to WiS is mostly because it is associated with "no FiS" and all the accumulated frustration, and because people are thinking CQ = WiS. I may have gotten 2 years of non-stop attention, but I got nearly nothing of what was promised, on top of that I am also affected by the rest of EVE not getting the attention it should get. I wouldn't care much if they ripped out CQ at this point. At this moment it just reminds me of something I will not get, and might never get.
Side note: I remember a graphical representation of Incarna's workload. ~1/4 was the new character creator, ~1/2 was CQ, and ~1/4 is WiS. If this is still true, than WiS could be part of an expansion that still contains a lot of FiS content. It is kind of a waste to have all that time invested without getting anything meaningful in return. If WiS is cancelled, it's all this suffering for nothing. Would you rather have payed the price of no FiS development for something or for nothing?Issler Dainze wrote:One thing I find really dissappointing about CCP's response in this is that this thread is the most active and "liked" thread in the general discussion section of the forums and we still have only a single dev response and that was to tell us some posts are being moderated to the cornfield.
I would have liked to see even a lame "CCP knows that there are players interested in WiS and we will continue to take that into account in future planning for Eve feature work" from a dev. But the total lack of any response is surprising It might be the slow response of a corporate entity, but it is indeed starting to look like a "won't touch this with a 10 AU pole" kind of thing (this approach also goes for the CSM). That looks like they are influenced by fear (ironic, considering their newsletter's name is "Fearless"). I don't think that's a good thing. Also, the CSM is quite clear that they are not interested in even asking for a devblog about Incarna's future, or lack of future, which is also disappointing and may add to Hilmar's concern also mentioned in that interview:Quote:some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.10.30 02:23:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:
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I got news for you then. WiS isn't the focus anymore. Deal with it like we dealt with it for 18 months. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Hershman
Creeper Collective
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Sadly, this is exactly why a lot of game developers don't promise to implement whatever the players demand.
For the record, Incarna/WiS was lusted after for years, it was very popular and used to be know as Ambulation back when everyone wanted it.
Even more hilarious is that hundreds of players unsubbed over that time because CCP hadn't delivered Ambulation yet, and they were all waiting.
Than, CCP finally gets to it, calls it Incarna, and every cries foul and wants their spaceships back.
CCP promises to give spaceships more attention, and people start unsubbing again because they've stopped work on Incarna.
Its almost comical, but the lesson to be learned is that player demand/feedback is only worth so much. Apparently, the player base has no patience when it comes to having a company develop custom technologies to suit their every whim.
No matter what CCP does, they are "screwing over" someone. No matter what they announce, people will unsub over it.
This is how these things are, as the story goes on... |
Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
114
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Posted - 2011.10.30 03:32:00 -
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So many arguments. Well Eve under-estimated many players willingness to wait in see. More Development of FIS during the process or a faster roll out of complete Incarna would have diverted the situations we were in. Sadly there is not enough resources to go around.
It is frustrating as a WIS supporter to read:
GÇ£CCP Guard wrote: We-¦ve built a lot of solid character tech that can be used for all kinds of great game play in the future. Right now our focus will be on classic EVE game play, as we've committed to, so all that is on ice while we figure out what we want to do with it. And more importantly...what you guys want us to do with it.GÇ¥
Knowing that WIS is not going to be looked at for some time.
I understand that Eve can't abandon FIS the core game, for expansions, like PI, Eve Gate, and Incarna.
I would just show my support to continue WIS GÇô at least on a limited scale. The base programing is there so a little work will go a long way.
Am I saying I am unsubscribing my accounts? Nope, But I have 3 Accounts and This is what I would like.
If a Person runs for CSM on the Campaign to Support Incarna GÇô I will re activate my other 3 accounts to vote for them.
I would like to see a road map what is planned, Notes if feature is experiencing delayed or Just going to be practical at this moment and time and an eta when this will be looked at. If possible. - note sure if it can cause problems with keeping company secrets, secrets. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
150
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Posted - 2011.10.30 10:08:00 -
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The problem with the community and its stance with WIS was that CCP themselves poisoned it.
It is now tainted and polluted in the minds of many.
The problem goes back to the time that WiS was going to be non-optional. We were told that a future release, perhaps one the releases we had by now, would have forced us to walk in stations.
WiS didn't work for a lot of people. Cards overheated and the graphics of the character walking was, and still is, poor. We were told that we were to get used to it because in the future, every time we docked that is what we were going to get.
As a consequence of this WiS we were told that we could have a NeX store where we could, possibly, buy game changing items for real life cash courtesy of this new currency.
We all saw what happened next.
Yes, CCP has back-pedelled on the compulsory requirement on WiS, yes it has gone back on pay-to-win or the possibiliy of pay-to-win. But the fact remains that we have this useless curerrency, clothes which look dreadful when the character walks and, above all, to many the chalice is well and truly poisoned.
What's my view on this? The same that it's always been. I have no problems with WiS as an option. It should be as much as option as is Planetary Interaction but having seen what little has been done with so many resources over so long a period of time I don't believe that CCP can and will deliver WiS as we envisage. I also believe that CCP had better get its core product back on track whilst it works out what do with this collosal strategical mis-managment of affairs. For this I have been mis-labelled a WiS hater. No, I am not, I doubt it but I wouldn't mind a working version which offers something.
Players have blamed others for the job-losses. That is misplaced blame. The fault lay entirely with CCP for the poor planning and misdirection of resouces as well as making the mistake of attempting to break the sandbox.
If CCP put every man, woman and child in their offices into WiS development then it wouldn't be delivered before the game collapses. Anyone who has been in software will have, or should have, read 'The Mythical Man Month' will know what I mean.
The only way that CCP can save this game is to sort out the mess that are the broken spaceships. Then, and only then, can they look at WiS again and, first, to properly determine if it can be done and then, secondly, determine what can be done and, thirdly, go and implement something.
And, all the while, they have to remember that they have given the player base a poisoned chalice in the past and they have to turn people's memories around. The fault, all along, lies with CCP's management and everyone, particularly those who have lost their jobs, have paid for it.
Most of the co-called WiS haters' aren't haters of WiS they hate the idea of the of development resources being taken away from the core concept of the game and the fact that CCP treated the players badly. For these players then can be forgiven for demanding the CCP wins back their trust and WiS is a core concern for their distrust.
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
150
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Posted - 2011.10.30 10:12:00 -
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Holy Double Posting Forum Code, Batman |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.10.30 10:58:00 -
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Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:The problem with the community and its stance with WIS was that CCP themselves poisoned it.
It is now tainted and polluted in the minds of many.
Someone wants to be naughty in WiS and play Doctor really bad...
The problem with WiS is that CCP came up with it and like a drug, you junkies won't give up your unhealthy addiction to it which has also affected your mind for too long... like syphilis. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Pent'nor
32
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Posted - 2011.10.30 12:06:00 -
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Myfanwy Heimdal wrote: The only way that CCP can save this game is to sort out the mess that are the broken spaceships. Then, and only then, can they look at WiS again and, first, to properly determine if it can be done and then, secondly, determine what can be done and, thirdly, go and implement something.
edited due to the forum eating up characters
I would have no problem waiting awhile for them to work out some core issues. I would of liked to of seen a better balance between the development of wis and fis in the past. I find it sad that wis got connected to the nex pay to win thing. In my mind, they were completely different, but I can see how a community that was ignored for so long got incarna and then got nex would connect them together. Incarna is pointless to the eve gamer and nex was stepping over the line. Although incarna probably was not pointless to the dev team as they could workout bugs from a rather large test sample, however, to use TQ as that test sample was a huge mistake. Incarna had no point, nothing to do, and couldn't even interact with others.
CCP made mistakes. Lots of them. As they move forward from this and pay attention to thier core, I would ask them to not forget about wis. The concept was and still is really cool, but this time balance the development better. If incarna also came with a bunch of new things like what they are planning for the winter, then I think people would not of been all up in arms about it. Then there is the long time spent getting to incarna that made people feel ignored, which was also wrong. The balance was completely off.
It maybe unrealistic for them to take a look at wis after the winter expansion because they still have dust as a huge project. But surely after dust, i'd like to see some balanced development between wis and fis. It shouldn't be an option of all wis or all fis. My current fear is that wis is on permanent ice. Having some small team doing some planning or what ever would show that it is not permanently shelved and they wouldn't have to commit any to any date of when something will be ready. I personally think that may be what is left at wod working on aspects that can be used in both games, but thats probably just hopeful thinking because I don't see why it would have to be a secret. |
Eebi
CONCORD Operations Central Directorate of Intelligence
24
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Posted - 2011.10.30 12:40:00 -
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FiS is currently what it is all about and CCP shouldn't stop working to improve/fix content that we are faced with today.
WiS is in a very early stage, and i assume it won't add any meaningful game play soon, even if it was a priority project.
WiS has potential however and while i prefer that FiS takes precedent , WiS shouldn't be abandoned.
I understand that as a company CCP has grown and now has about 8x more employees as it started with?
Why not take on a challenge, make FiS and WiS a simultaneous project and impress all your customers with your eagerness to please. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.31 00:31:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Well, as long as we are trying to bend statistics to our viewpoint I might as well join the party.
1st post: "We want WiS" 88 likes around time of this post. 2nd post: "Abandon WiS" 29 likes around time of this post. 3rd post: "most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented." 33 likes around the time of this post. Make of this what you will. Considering I'm willing to concede that in the rest of the posts the pro/con WiS posts likes are split 50/50, (although I think most likes would be in favour of WiS, at least as long as it does not mean abandoning FiS) that still means a majority of those that a least read some of this thread are in favour of eventually releasing Incarna.
Thanks for adding that all up!
Issler
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Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
114
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Posted - 2011.10.31 03:28:00 -
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Phantom Slave wrote:I for one hope that CCP puts at least part of their development team on WiS. Maybe just 1 team dedicated to it. The potential for WiS is so awesome, even if it never gets used for more than a glorified lobby where people can sit at a bar or balcony and talk. Slowly add small features to it, not full-blown expansions. Every month add a little bit. A few Agents here and there, maybe add a balcony where you can see the Empress Jamyl in the distance with a full ensemble of guards and spectators.
I don't roleplay, at least not in the sense that true RPers do. What I do is I look at the environment and back story, and connect myself with it so I have a more meaningful experience. Maybe give us the ability to speak with our lvl 4 agents "off the grid" to get some secret missions with dark political implications. The potential here is so enormous it's no wonder you haven't built anything for it. Where do you start?
Start small! Get us the multi-player aspect, with some NPC run bars and NPC's walking around in the distance to give it some feeling of life. Then give us something else that's small in the next patch. Then something small in the next. Give a general focus to what you want us to eventually have, and just put pieces here and there.
Give us something! I hate to see this technology show up and then the code start collecting dust like what happened to FW. I don't want to wait however many years those FW guys have been waiting, just to see another iteration on WiS.
Give everybody what they want. Give us our WiS, even in small pieces. Focus on FiS, as you should. It's what everybody wants to some degree. But there's a lot of us out there that want WiS just as bad.
CCP has said over and over that you're focusing on what the players want. Do us a favor and do exactly that. Work on what *all* of us want, not just the majority. Even if it only happens every 3 months or so, throw us a bone!
this is what I would think Ideal I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
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Posted - 2011.10.31 04:12:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Che Biko wrote:Well, as long as we are trying to bend statistics to our viewpoint I might as well join the party.
1st post: "We want WiS" 88 likes around time of this post. 2nd post: "Abandon WiS" 29 likes around time of this post. 3rd post: "most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented." 33 likes around the time of this post. Make of this what you will. Considering I'm willing to concede that in the rest of the posts the pro/con WiS posts likes are split 50/50, (although I think most likes would be in favour of WiS, at least as long as it does not mean abandoning FiS) that still means a majority of those that a least read some of this thread are in favour of eventually releasing Incarna.
Thanks for adding that all up! Issler Do you really want the break-up of likes in this thread?
12% = Want WiS over any additional FiS content.
11% = Have a shovel in hand ready to bury WiS. They don't want it at all.
29% = People who like the concept of WiS, but do not like the way it has been implemented and many feel it needs engaging gameplay.
23% = Think FiS should always take precedence, but like and want WiS as well.
25% = Anything from pure trolling to discussion points and other things that didn't fit into the above categories.
So it seems most people would like to see WiS, just not in it's current form but more like what was Ambulation with sandbox elements rather than 'oh look shiny' for 5 minutes NEX Store crap. People want something that actually adds fun and interesting things to do, rather than stand around in a station staring at each others $70 monocles, etc. And if push comes to shove they prefer FiS over WiS.
Also note that it's hard to accept some of the likes in this thread for anything other than some mini meta-gaming, especially when you see the same people with pretty much the same amount of likes to all their posts. Either these people have their own personal fanboys/fangirls or they have some alts, I'm guessing the latter.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Che Biko wrote:Well, as long as we are trying to bend statistics to our viewpoint I might as well join the party.
1st post: "We want WiS" 88 likes around time of this post. 2nd post: "Abandon WiS" 29 likes around time of this post. 3rd post: "most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented." 33 likes around the time of this post. Make of this what you will. Considering I'm willing to concede that in the rest of the posts the pro/con WiS posts likes are split 50/50, (although I think most likes would be in favour of WiS, at least as long as it does not mean abandoning FiS) that still means a majority of those that a least read some of this thread are in favour of eventually releasing Incarna.
Thanks for adding that all up! Issler Do you really want the break-up of likes in this thread? 12% = Want WiS over any additional FiS content. 11% = Have a shovel in hand ready to bury WiS. They don't want it at all. 29% = People who like the concept of WiS, but do not like the way it has been implemented and many feel it needs engaging gameplay. 23% = Think FiS should always take precedence, but like and want WiS as well. 25% = Anything from pure trolling to discussion points and other things that didn't fit into the above categories. So it seems most people would like to see WiS, just not in it's current form but more like what was Ambulation with sandbox elements rather than 'oh look shiny' for 5 minutes NEX Store crap. People want something that actually adds fun and interesting things to do, rather than stand around in a station staring at each others $70 monocles, etc. And if push comes to shove they prefer FiS over WiS. Also note that it's hard to accept some of the likes in this thread for anything other than some mini meta-gaming, especially when you see the same people with pretty much the same amount of likes to all their posts. Either these people have their own personal fanboys/fangirls or they have some alts, I'm guessing the latter.
Thanks for the break down, that's actually very informative.
I wonder about that last bit too in a lot of threads. Just for the record, if anyone ever asks to see my list of likes I suppose I could screenshot it and post it on EVE files (bless Chribba's stoney heart), but I don't think the way it's set up that a screenshot would be very informative.
I do have a small army of alts, but the only time they have ever been logged into CCP's web site is if I need to get an API key for them. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
66
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Posted - 2011.10.31 04:47:00 -
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I have changed my mind and redacted my statement that I was willing to concede that the rest of the pro/con post likes was spread 50/50. After reviewing the thread again, it is clear to me that the majority of the post and likes in this thread are in favour of WiS in some form at some point in time.
Also, I would like to see one of those that claim the majority don't want WiS to link me a thread with nearly 30 pages where most posts/likes are against WiS, with a title similar to "Abandon WiS". I think there is one here on GD, but it appears to be rather inactive as I can't find it anymore. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
126
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Posted - 2011.10.31 05:06:00 -
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I believe those in the pro WiS camp (yours truly included) are not liking CCP's all-out 'either/or' policy. First they completely ignored FiS, wanting to force WiS down our throats at all cost; and now they're about to make the same mistake twice: doing a full 180C, going FiS only.
CCP, why go from one extreme to the other?! Panic? Sure, I buy that. But you'd think it should have subsided by now, and been replaced with a more moderate sense of taking the middle ground.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Cypermethren
Nova Australis Dark Knights of New Eden
59
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Posted - 2011.10.31 05:07:00 -
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Calm down everyone.
WiS has been out in full for ages. It is know as "Second Life" tho.
People have even built a town with eve themes in there, go find it yourselves.
Play that stupid ass barbie game and leave us alone to play with our spaceships.
This is honest to god sibling rivalry. Get you're effing barbies out of the sandpit, this is where we play with the tonka trucks girl.
P.s - Mass unsubs bringing subscriber numbers to an alltime low - t he reason put in the cancel subscription box = Walking in Stations crap instead of you giving us FiS stuff
CCP announces they're working on FiS again. LArge % of subscribers resub.
Hint - those people would not have come back otherwise. Our threats were not empty.
Feel free to try and pull a similar senario, but you WiS'ers are but a speck of dust compared to the sea of FiSers |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
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Posted - 2011.10.31 05:12:00 -
[776] - Quote
Che Biko wrote:I have changed my mind and redacted my statement that I was willing to concede that the rest of the pro/con post likes was spread 50/50. After reviewing the thread again, it is clear to me that the majority of the post and likes in this thread are in favour of WiS in some form at some point in time.
Also, I would like to see one of those that claim the majority don't want WiS to link me a thread with nearly 30 pages where most posts/likes are against WiS, with a title similar to "Abandon WiS". I think there is one here on GD, but it appears to be rather inactive as I can't find it anymore. That wont happen because the CCP forum moderators close any other threads with WiS/FiS discussion and direct them here. So a pro dump WiS thread wont pop up on the forum and if it does it wont last long.
We can only base stats off of what we see in this thread and remembering also that only a small portion of the userbase use the forums anyway. Hence the suggestion of using a poll at login if CCP want more accurate figures on who would like to see what. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.10.31 05:20:00 -
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Cypermethren wrote:Calm down everyone.
WiS has been out in full for ages. It is know as "Second Life" tho.
People have even built a town with eve themes in there, go find it yourselves.
Play that stupid ass barbie game and leave us alone to play with our spaceships.
This is honest to god sibling rivalry. Get you're effing barbies out of the sandpit, this is where we play with the tonka trucks girl.
P.s - Mass unsubs bringing subscriber numbers to an alltime low - t he reason put in the cancel subscription box = Walking in Stations crap instead of you giving us FiS stuff
CCP announces they're working on FiS again. LArge % of subscribers resub.
Hint - those people would not have come back otherwise. Our threats were not empty.
Feel free to try and pull a similar senario, but you WiS'ers are but a speck of dust compared to the sea of FiSers
The people that unsubbed were upset with good reason. Many of us were as well.
Most of us have no problem acknowledging how screwed up the handling of WIS development and release was, and we do not want to revisit that.
What most of us WOULD like is for the original concepts behind WIS to be realized, for a sensible plan to be made ahead of time, and for work on that concept to begin when possible WITHOUT stomping on FIS content development.
It's all in the thread my friend. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Emad X
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.10.31 05:43:00 -
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Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Walking in Stations is a huge task and one which really hadn't been thought out properly.
We're talking stations of over 20 km in size. How are we going to walk around that lot? What are we going to do in there? In fact, what is in all those thousands of miles of corridors and how are we going to interact?
I've seen other games where we've had taverns in towns where players could meet and, always, they're empty. So, if we're wanting an Eve version of Mallory's Bar (The Gap) or that bar from Total Recall then we're going to have to have something worth our while going around walking in stations.
When I was playing other games I never once saw the point of towns or cities where we could meet other players. Not once did I say I'll spend the evening playing BadgerQuest or whatever and spend the time sitting around in a town. And neither did I once run into any players who were hanging around like extras in Westerns lounging around on the boardwalks.
In every MMO that I have played, players would come into town - because the had to - get whatever it was they had to have done done as fast as they could - and then beetle off to do some whatever they did out of the towns.
So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players? I have, at the moment no interest in WiS and I can't see me every having any interest in doing so. CCP would have to pull a massive rabbit out of a hat to make me interested. And if they tried to force us to leave the pod to find an agent/repairshop/refinery then the recent rage would be nothing compared to that storm.
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work.
This.
If you can do everything in the station without having to walk around for 20 minutes by using the normal interface and menus, then you're not gonna walk around for 20 minutes. The only alternative would be to force everyone to walk around by removing the menus and interface, which would be the worst idea of all time.
Without adding some sort of gameplay element that interests people, wasting any more time in developing WiS would be pointless. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.10.31 05:51:00 -
[779] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:I believe those in the pro WiS camp (yours truly included) are not liking CCP's all-out 'either/or' policy. First they completely ignored FiS, wanting to force WiS down our throats at all cost; and now they're about the make the same mistake twice: doing a full 180C, going FiS only.
CCP, why go from one extreme to the other?! Panic? Sure, I buy that. But you'd think it should have subsided by now, and been replaced with a more moderate sense of taking the middle ground.
it's either/or because resources are finite, so finite they had to fire a lot of people, sad but true
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Cypermethren
Nova Australis Dark Knights of New Eden
59
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Posted - 2011.10.31 06:01:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Cypermethren wrote:Calm down everyone.
WiS has been out in full for ages. It is know as "Second Life" tho.
People have even built a town with eve themes in there, go find it yourselves.
Play that stupid ass barbie game and leave us alone to play with our spaceships.
This is honest to god sibling rivalry. Get you're effing barbies out of the sandpit, this is where we play with the tonka trucks girl.
P.s - Mass unsubs bringing subscriber numbers to an alltime low - t he reason put in the cancel subscription box = Walking in Stations crap instead of you giving us FiS stuff
CCP announces they're working on FiS again. LArge % of subscribers resub.
Hint - those people would not have come back otherwise. Our threats were not empty.
Feel free to try and pull a similar senario, but you WiS'ers are but a speck of dust compared to the sea of FiSers The people that unsubbed were upset with good reason. Many of us were as well. Most of us have no problem acknowledging how screwed up the handling of WIS development and release was, and we do not want to revisit that. What most of us WOULD like is for the original concepts behind WIS to be realized, for a sensible plan to be made ahead of time, and for work on that concept to begin when possible WITHOUT stomping on FIS content development. It's all in the thread my friend.
the problem is they released teaser video's YEARS back, of a dude walking thru a station, a pub, into a war room complete with holo display. That set the expectations. CCP knew this.
They give us Mr Gimpy locked in solitary confinment instead.
Whatever they had - its obvious they somehow fubard it up, big time.
My hopes for WiS died with Incarna. And never again will i ever want CCP to work on it anywhere near as much because we know damn well if they do FiS suffers - and 99% of eve content = FiS.
Can you believe how much work is being done, how many promices are finaly being forfilled, and dreams realised since CCP realised they ****** up and did a massive reshuffle? Its insane. And eve has been starved these resources for far, far too long.
I am glad this whole debarcle happend, if it did not, many of us would still be Unsubbed.
And i am sorry to you WiSers, but its obvious CCP can never forfill that promice without shafting the rest of eve, so may you're hopes of space barbies die quietly and go away so we can enjoy FiS as it's reborn once more.
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Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2011.10.31 06:04:00 -
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Emad X wrote:..Without adding some sort of gameplay element that interests people, wasting any more time in developing WiS would be pointless...
I believe this is exactly what most WiS supporters desire - RELEVANT gameplay.
I don't think anyone is recommending that we have a game where we just 'sit around in bars'. As you pointed out, that's not human nature. WiS supporters (such as myself) are encouraging CCP to design relevant, engaging gameplay that augments FiS, giving us additional EVE -related activities for those evenings when the Corp is quiet. We already have the best Spaceship Sim available and we all agree CCP needs to fix portions of it, but adding additional gameplay options will only serve to bring in more players (and their wallets). After 8 years, growth will require significant additions beyond improved nebulae and ship trails. |
Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
114
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Posted - 2011.10.31 06:09:00 -
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Wow Alot of reading.
I am for WIS but not at the starving of FIS. WIS will bring in a larger player base and help fight the law of attrition which will happen to any game no matter who awsome it is.
WIS is using Carbon and to the sounds of it it is ready to start implementing stuff. The CQ are complete and have been built in sections so those elements can be reused to build the additional components of Eve's WIS.
In the original design of eve GÇô the script GÇô had walking in station and in 2008/7 CCP felt it that technology had progressed far along enough to implement this original feature. I was scraped, and Carbon was developed in hope use the same technology to build 2 games, Eve's Online WIS and WoD.
The Unreal Engine is only being used for Dust 514 not WIS
Wis is the test bed for WOD. Progressing with WIS does not need WOD to keep going, and any development for WIS will go towards WOD's future. Just the leveraging support from WOD just won't be there.
CCP trys to be transparent to the community, which often back fires as the vocal community begins to demand and dictate what CCP is to do. Any attempt to be visionary will meet extreme resistance as the vocal community suffering from group think, Preferring to have the devil they know than the unknown. The denying of core play like FIS for evegate, PI, and the development of Incarna, items that FIS players don't see as benefit to them, just strengthened their fears. With that Faith of fickle players will disappear quickly.
Now CCP, is switching gears, with sincerity and cut jobs. It has shown its hand. We the vocal community has a say in the direction of what CCP, and Eve has to say. If that is the case we need to be responsible in our actions.
So I say with my voice that WIS should be developed, but at a slower speed. I an not one for cancelling my subscription if they don't though, but I if they do, I will be able to attract some of my friends into the game that think this is just a game of ships.
For those who think the WIS is useless. Let me say this
I am more than a Machine I am a human. -I want to control a small market that can only be reached in side the station, where I can sell and buy from people I choose to interact with. -I want a place that my casual playing friends who now have girl friends or now have family can still say hi to me and join me in a game of something that lasts only 30 mins. --->Mini Games, Virtual 1V1 Simulators. Gambling games. -I want a place the the players can set the security of the station to allow sections of the station to be similar security levels like eve in space... Paying the right prices... NPC stations have the Highest security unless they are Pirate factions Stations. The lower rating areas contain the Seedier elements of the station, Slaves, Boosters, assassination missions. The higher rating areas would be Stock Exchanges, high class promenade deck, Legal NPC givers, often seen on the station tab. - I want to have Bots that I can program to missions for eve players to complete though the use of book marks, unique markers, and collection of Corpses. - I want command centres that have Interactive star maps that provide real time intel collecting information and live footage from the front lines. - Ability to build/ sell Clothing though Items collected from Dust 514 GÇô I will have an alt that place Dust 514 that not only will be shooting people but be collecting goods in the middle of a fire fight- The spoils of war. Ninja Loot! - Have Live events stream to the Local WIS bar near you. Ships built to stream live action Video to WIS screens opening up the ability to eve become a Spectator's Sport. Something that filling up the void in games covered in this talk about GÇ£Pro GamingGÇ¥ - All Eve tournaments on constant loop feed. - Allow me to Set up a repair shop in the station, taking repair out of NPC hands into mine. Allow me to add a temp bonus to a ship -Eventually I would like WIS to turn in to Walking in space so I can disembark from my ship into sleeper sites and explore those instances and kill or be killed, Chance of coming across griefers, who blow up my ship etc as covered in Fan fest. -And what would be expected --> I want to have a bar I can sit and Do some role playing GÇô which is what Most WIS disliker think all WIS can be. --> Allow me to buy/Make Stuff to decorate me apartment.
That is my opinion. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1256
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Posted - 2011.10.31 08:52:00 -
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Emad X wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Walking in Stations is a huge task and one which really hadn't been thought out properly.
We're talking stations of over 20 km in size. How are we going to walk around that lot? What are we going to do in there? In fact, what is in all those thousands of miles of corridors and how are we going to interact?
I've seen other games where we've had taverns in towns where players could meet and, always, they're empty. So, if we're wanting an Eve version of Mallory's Bar (The Gap) or that bar from Total Recall then we're going to have to have something worth our while going around walking in stations.
When I was playing other games I never once saw the point of towns or cities where we could meet other players. Not once did I say I'll spend the evening playing BadgerQuest or whatever and spend the time sitting around in a town. And neither did I once run into any players who were hanging around like extras in Westerns lounging around on the boardwalks.
In every MMO that I have played, players would come into town - because the had to - get whatever it was they had to have done done as fast as they could - and then beetle off to do some whatever they did out of the towns.
So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players? I have, at the moment no interest in WiS and I can't see me every having any interest in doing so. CCP would have to pull a massive rabbit out of a hat to make me interested. And if they tried to force us to leave the pod to find an agent/repairshop/refinery then the recent rage would be nothing compared to that storm.
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work. This. If you can do everything in the station without having to walk around for 20 minutes by using the normal interface and menus, then you're not gonna walk around for 20 minutes. The only alternative would be to force everyone to walk around by removing the menus and interface, which would be the worst idea of all time. Without adding some sort of gameplay element that interests people, wasting any more time in developing WiS would be pointless.
That must have been where you stopped reading this thread cuz all those questions were answered later. |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.10.31 09:02:00 -
[784] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Emad X wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Walking in Stations is a huge task and one which really hadn't been thought out properly.
We're talking stations of over 20 km in size. How are we going to walk around that lot? What are we going to do in there? In fact, what is in all those thousands of miles of corridors and how are we going to interact?
I've seen other games where we've had taverns in towns where players could meet and, always, they're empty. So, if we're wanting an Eve version of Mallory's Bar (The Gap) or that bar from Total Recall then we're going to have to have something worth our while going around walking in stations.
When I was playing other games I never once saw the point of towns or cities where we could meet other players. Not once did I say I'll spend the evening playing BadgerQuest or whatever and spend the time sitting around in a town. And neither did I once run into any players who were hanging around like extras in Westerns lounging around on the boardwalks.
In every MMO that I have played, players would come into town - because the had to - get whatever it was they had to have done done as fast as they could - and then beetle off to do some whatever they did out of the towns.
So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players? I have, at the moment no interest in WiS and I can't see me every having any interest in doing so. CCP would have to pull a massive rabbit out of a hat to make me interested. And if they tried to force us to leave the pod to find an agent/repairshop/refinery then the recent rage would be nothing compared to that storm.
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work. This. If you can do everything in the station without having to walk around for 20 minutes by using the normal interface and menus, then you're not gonna walk around for 20 minutes. The only alternative would be to force everyone to walk around by removing the menus and interface, which would be the worst idea of all time. Without adding some sort of gameplay element that interests people, wasting any more time in developing WiS would be pointless. That must have been where you stopped reading this thread cuz all those questions were answered later.
Nice Bump. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.10.31 21:48:00 -
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Cypermethren wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Cypermethren wrote:Calm down everyone.
WiS has been out in full for ages. It is know as "Second Life" tho.
People have even built a town with eve themes in there, go find it yourselves.
Play that stupid ass barbie game and leave us alone to play with our spaceships.
This is honest to god sibling rivalry. Get you're effing barbies out of the sandpit, this is where we play with the tonka trucks girl.
P.s - Mass unsubs bringing subscriber numbers to an alltime low - t he reason put in the cancel subscription box = Walking in Stations crap instead of you giving us FiS stuff
CCP announces they're working on FiS again. LArge % of subscribers resub.
Hint - those people would not have come back otherwise. Our threats were not empty.
Feel free to try and pull a similar senario, but you WiS'ers are but a speck of dust compared to the sea of FiSers The people that unsubbed were upset with good reason. Many of us were as well. Most of us have no problem acknowledging how screwed up the handling of WIS development and release was, and we do not want to revisit that. What most of us WOULD like is for the original concepts behind WIS to be realized, for a sensible plan to be made ahead of time, and for work on that concept to begin when possible WITHOUT stomping on FIS content development. It's all in the thread my friend. the problem is they released teaser video's YEARS back, of a dude walking thru a station, a pub, into a war room complete with holo display. That set the expectations. CCP knew this. They give us Mr Gimpy locked in solitary confinment instead. Whatever they had - its obvious they somehow fubard it up, big time. My hopes for WiS died with Incarna. And never again will i ever want CCP to work on it anywhere near as much because we know damn well if they do FiS suffers - and 99% of eve content = FiS. Can you believe how much work is being done, how many promices are finaly being forfilled, and dreams realised since CCP realised they ****** up and did a massive reshuffle? Its insane. And eve has been starved these resources for far, far too long. I am glad this whole debarcle happend, if it did not, many of us would still be Unsubbed. And i am sorry to you WiSers, but its obvious CCP can never forfill that promice without shafting the rest of eve, so may you're hopes of space barbies die quietly and go away so we can enjoy FiS as it's reborn once more.
Where to even start.
Just because CCP forgot about FiS, not becase of WiS but because of vampires and consoles you assume that some form of work on WiS can't be allowed because it has to result in screwing up FiS. That is just nonsense.
Then you go on to imply that this next expansion is looking like the best expansion FiS of all time. Not even close. We are getting a lot of rebalancing that was long overdue and could have been done in patches not expansions. Some yet undescribed "improvements" to FW, some new BCs which are sort of the minimum of something I'd expect in an exansion, we appear to be getting PI screwed over in low sec, some POS management changes that have yet to be explained, fonts (again something that should have been in a patch), a feature that makes lag something on purpose to maybe make major fleet fights better and super cap nerfs that really don't matter to the majority of Eve and again could have been delivered in a patch.
So I have no idea how FiS work is suddenly "all so awesome" with this next expansion.
You also need to remember this wasn't WiS development assets moved to FiS, this was all but a few vamp WiS resources thrown out the dirgible. So if CCP hadn't gotten themselves so screwed up financially WiS could still be worked on while everything in the next expansion is being delivered.
Unsubs were discussed in length in other posts and WiS was just one of many causes. Also, you have no data to support an influx of resubs because of a new bipolar "FiS Only!" CCP refocus.
So your WiS=shafting Eve thing is space madness of the worst kind.
Issler |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
643
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Posted - 2011.10.31 21:53:00 -
[786] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:So I have no idea how FiS work is suddenly "all so awesome" with this next expansion. Then you're a *snip* Please keep it civil. Spitfire. New ships, supercap nerfs, hybrid fixes, etc are a fantastic start to fixing the game and more than was done while CCP was focused on space barbies. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:02:00 -
[787] - Quote
also we need to run in station One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:14:00 -
[788] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I have no idea how FiS work is suddenly "all so awesome" with this next expansion. Then you're a moron. New ships, supercap nerfs, hybrid fixes, etc are a fantastic start to fixing the game and more than was done while CCP was focused on space barbies.
I think we all agree that FiS was woefully ingored. Now, CCP has threatened to swing the pendulum too far the other way. There *is* a middleground, and while some players write WiS off as 'space barbies', there's a reason EVE has only hit 400k subscribers in 8 years - they're ignoring a large majority of the potential player base. Potential CUSTOMERS.
CCP must expand or they will dwindle to irrelevancy and shut down. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:17:00 -
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Given the huge response that this thread has gathered. Perhaps we should ask the CSM to represent our views to CCP.
At the very least it would be nice for CCP to clarify what their plans for Incarna are given the uncertainty created by Hilmar's interview. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
643
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:20:00 -
[790] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Given the huge response that this thread has gathered. You mean the handful of people who want to play dress up and all their alts?
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
643
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:21:00 -
[791] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote:I think we all agree that FiS was woefully ingored. Now, CCP has threatened to swing the pendulum too far the other way. Good.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:38:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Flamespar wrote:Given the huge response that this thread has gathered. You mean the handful of people who want to play dress up and all their alts?
This is the best argument that the WiS haters can come up with?
Wow. And they say WoW players are dumb. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:57:00 -
[793] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Flamespar wrote:Given the huge response that this thread has gathered. You mean the handful of people who want to play dress up and all their alts? This is the best argument that the WiS haters can come up with? Wow. And they say WoW players are dumb. The best argument against WiS was provided by CCP with the Incarna expansion.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
8
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Posted - 2011.11.01 02:02:00 -
[794] - Quote
This thread is literally terrible. If you want to prioritise walking in stations over damn actual content, go play Hello Kitty Dungeon Adventure.
How exactly does creating a bar where your avatar can sit in type in local about shitfit canes count as actual content? Seriously, this thread is deluded. Sure, once the major **** is done, let them throw some resources at it, might even turn out entertaining but EvE isn't about your peoples deluded "lets all sit in a station with no effectual interaction". It's about combat, wether actual ship pvp or as some put it "market" pvp. It's a sandbox for action, not a sandbox for freaking idiots trying to cyber in a bar with a bunch of other randomly designed and grotesque looking characters. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.01 02:57:00 -
[795] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I have no idea how FiS work is suddenly "all so awesome" with this next expansion. Then you're a moron. New ships, supercap nerfs, hybrid fixes, etc are a fantastic start to fixing the game and more than was done while CCP was focused on space barbies.
Hybrid fixes, super cap nerfs etc are all things that should have been in patches a year ago. New ships are nice but again overdue, some more stuff is "promised but has yet to be explained. You have to ask yourself just how much CCP has basically been lying about what it takes to deliver stuff if this expansion is possible in less than 90 days.
You are far too easily amused.
Issler
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Ficus Plant
The Plant Initiative
6
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:00:00 -
[796] - Quote
EVE is a FiS game .... more FiS. Down with WiS! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:03:00 -
[797] - Quote
It would be nice if occasionally people would actually read this thread before commenting in it. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:04:00 -
[798] - Quote
ConranAntoni wrote:This thread is literally terrible. If you want to prioritise walking in stations over damn actual content, go play Hello Kitty Dungeon Adventure.
How exactly does creating a bar where your avatar can sit in type in local about shitfit canes count as actual content? Seriously, this thread is deluded. Sure, once the major **** is done, let them throw some resources at it, might even turn out entertaining but EvE isn't about your peoples deluded "lets all sit in a station with no effectual interaction". It's about combat, wether actual ship pvp or as some put it "market" pvp. It's a sandbox for action, not a sandbox for freaking idiots trying to cyber in a bar with a bunch of other randomly designed and grotesque looking characters.
Wow, another late to the game troll trying to spin what I was asking for and claiming that the only thing that can be rewarding for someone to do is doing just what he finds fun.
Sir, your argument has me nearly convinced..... but not about what you set out to say..... It does make me hope shooting folks in the face is added to WiS soon if it comes back.
Issler
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:10:00 -
[799] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Hybrid fixes, super cap nerfs etc are all things that should have been in patches a year ago. And they weren't because CCP was so distracted. They learned their lesson and are refocusing their attention on Eve but you are trying to stop them.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:13:00 -
[800] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
It does make me hope shooting folks in the face is added to WiS soon if it comes back.
Know what? I'd support that. I'd support anything that would let me shoot YOU in the face. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
8
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:24:00 -
[801] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:ConranAntoni wrote:This thread is literally terrible. If you want to prioritise walking in stations over damn actual content, go play Hello Kitty Dungeon Adventure.
How exactly does creating a bar where your avatar can sit in type in local about shitfit canes count as actual content? Seriously, this thread is deluded. Sure, once the major **** is done, let them throw some resources at it, might even turn out entertaining but EvE isn't about your peoples deluded "lets all sit in a station with no effectual interaction". It's about combat, wether actual ship pvp or as some put it "market" pvp. It's a sandbox for action, not a sandbox for freaking idiots trying to cyber in a bar with a bunch of other randomly designed and grotesque looking characters. Wow, another late to the game troll trying to spin what I was asking for and claiming that the only thing that can be rewarding for someone to do is doing just what he finds fun. Sir, your argument has me nearly convinced..... but not about what you set out to say..... It does make me hope shooting folks in the face is added to WiS soon if it comes back. Issler
Thing is, i'm not trolling. I just don't count waiting a year or two for WiS that won't offer any real content as worthwhile over content which the game was primarily designed for; space combat. Repurposing assets for uninteresting station adventures where nothing makes any kind of difference in the larger scheme of things over a new ship type or FiS content which in turn could change things is rather idiotic. But of course, keep yelling for it, i'm sure when you can walk around in a lovely NeX store jacket and click sit or stand on a chair and look at everyone else doing the same will add a ton of atmosphere. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
24
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:34:00 -
[802] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Perhaps we should ask the CSM to represent our views to CCP.
If CCP doesn't interesting in their community (like reading their own forums and actually improve the game according to players requests) - 20 CSM strangers won't make them change their business practices.
Well, unsubbing and waiting for yet another 5 days of free game time or $4.95 bonus subscription becomes my new most common activity in EVE. Can't play the same content for more than 3 months - it's boring. |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:38:00 -
[803] - Quote
ConranAntoni wrote:...How exactly does creating a bar where your avatar can sit in type in local about shitfit canes count as actual content? ...
No one that supports WiS is talking about 'sitting in bars'. That's overly simplistic and purposely obtuse.
WiS supporters see that EVE has not changed significantly in 8 years. We also note that subscriptions have capped out at roughly 400,000 and haven't increased appreciably in the last year. The fact is, EVE has hit maximum density for it's current game design due to it's narrow focus of heavy PVP - only a small percentage of the world's online players have the willpower to handle the grim reality of EVE. Without bringing in fresh blood, the only way things can go for EVE is a slow and gradual decline... and that fresh blood has to be from a different pool of players (since PVPers have already tried EVE, or aren't interested in spaceship pew pew).
Whether players want to admit it or not, EVE *must* expand or it will die a slow, lingering death. Every online game is competing for player loyalty by offering more and more features - EVE has to do the same in order to remain compeditive.
As for potential 'content', WiS promised to offer features beyond mining, ratting, and wardeccing. War Rooms with holographic displays of local sectors, Player-run shops and additional crafting that offered hundreds of new blueprints and manufacturing options, an expanded economy, mini-games, and numerous other ideas. This IS content.
Updated nebulae, 4 new ships, and engine trails hardly qualify as content. |
Damion Rayne
Dark-Rising
21
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Posted - 2011.11.01 04:33:00 -
[804] - Quote
mkint wrote:You know, if all you barbie rookies were to post in the same threads rather than make a 1-off post in a 1-off thread, you'd look more like an involved part of EVE that has some understanding about the realities of EVE and it's future. All these anti-WIS posters could be completely outnumbered by the barbie-ites, but it won't look that way because the barbie-ites never post in eachothers' threads. All the thread is 1 pro barbie, and dozens of anti-barbie. And over and over and over, because you people spam the same goddamned thread over and over again.
Barbie? That's all you can think of? That's your amazing counter argument and come back? Please...
Grow a brain and look at the "Future" of Eve Online, which is more than just walking in stations, it always has been and always will be. It is supposed to be the Ultimate Science Fiction Simulator and that includes more then just space ships you child. Grow up and have a set of eyes and a brain to see outside the box. Also you'd notice almost 100 likes for the OP, and barely any of those people actually posting. You know why? People like you, close minded space bullies who are capable of doing nothing but bashing, name calling, and generally making fun of people and than calling all that an "Argument".
Go away. Teamwork.. Maturity.. Tactics.. www.tacticalgamer.com |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.11.01 04:45:00 -
[805] - Quote
Damion Rayne wrote:mkint wrote:You know, if all you barbie rookies were to post in the same threads rather than make a 1-off post in a 1-off thread, you'd look more like an involved part of EVE that has some understanding about the realities of EVE and it's future. All these anti-WIS posters could be completely outnumbered by the barbie-ites, but it won't look that way because the barbie-ites never post in eachothers' threads. All the thread is 1 pro barbie, and dozens of anti-barbie. And over and over and over, because you people spam the same goddamned thread over and over again. Barbie? That's all you can think of? That's your amazing counter argument and come back? Please... Grow a brain and look at the "Future" of Eve Online, which is more than just walking in stations, it always has been and always will be. It is supposed to be the Ultimate Science Fiction Simulator and that includes more then just space ships you child. Grow up and have a set of eyes and a brain to see outside the box. Also you'd notice almost 100 likes for the OP, and barely any of those people actually posting. You know why? People like you, close minded space bullies who are capable of doing nothing but bashing, name calling, and generally making fun of people and than calling all that an "Argument". Go away. You probably should have read the post you responded to before raging about it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Stella SGP
61
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Posted - 2011.11.01 05:22:00 -
[806] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote:No one that supports WiS is talking about 'sitting in bars'. That's overly simplistic and purposely obtuse.
WiS supporters see that EVE has not changed significantly in 8 years. We also note that subscriptions have capped out at roughly 400,000 and haven't increased appreciably in the last year. The fact is, EVE has hit maximum density for it's current game design due to it's narrow focus of heavy PVP - only a small percentage of the world's online players have the willpower to handle the grim reality of EVE. Without bringing in fresh blood, the only way things can go for EVE is a slow and gradual decline... and that fresh blood has to be from a different pool of players (since PVPers have already tried EVE, or aren't interested in spaceship pew pew).
Whether players want to admit it or not, EVE *must* expand or it will die a slow, lingering death. Every online game is competing for player loyalty by offering more and more features - EVE has to do the same in order to remain compeditive.
As for potential 'content', WiS promised to offer features beyond mining, ratting, and wardeccing. War Rooms with holographic displays of local sectors, Player-run shops and additional crafting that offered hundreds of new blueprints and manufacturing options, an expanded economy, mini-games, and numerous other ideas. This IS content.
Updated nebulae, 4 new ships, and engine trails hardly qualify as content. To my understanding, from what I've seen and read about WiS all this time, I agree with you that this was exactly what CCP was trying to push for with WiS. Horizontal expansion of the game. In fact, they actually said so themselves that that was their intentions. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
721
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Posted - 2011.11.01 05:43:00 -
[807] - Quote
Stella SGP wrote:[quote=Valkris Arkayne]No one that supports WiS is talking about 'sitting in bars'. That's overly simplistic and purposely obtuse.
WiS supporters see that EVE has not changed significantly in 8 years. We also note that subscriptions have capped out at roughly 400,000 and haven't increased appreciably in the last year. The fact is, EVE has hit maximum density for it's current game design due to it's narrow focus of heavy PVP - only a small percentage of the world's online players have the willpower to handle the grim reality of EVE. Without bringing in fresh blood, the only way things can go for EVE is a slow and gradual decline... and that fresh blood has to be from a different pool of players (since PVPers have already tried EVE, or aren't interested in spaceship pew pew). .
I just want to say that I'm a new player and I'm here because of the grim reality of EVE.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
mkint
793
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Posted - 2011.11.01 05:58:00 -
[808] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Damion Rayne wrote:mkint wrote:You know, if all you barbie rookies were to post in the same threads rather than make a 1-off post in a 1-off thread, you'd look more like an involved part of EVE that has some understanding about the realities of EVE and it's future. All these anti-WIS posters could be completely outnumbered by the barbie-ites, but it won't look that way because the barbie-ites never post in eachothers' threads. All the thread is 1 pro barbie, and dozens of anti-barbie. And over and over and over, because you people spam the same goddamned thread over and over again. Barbie? That's all you can think of? That's your amazing counter argument and come back? Please... Grow a brain and look at the "Future" of Eve Online, which is more than just walking in stations, it always has been and always will be. It is supposed to be the Ultimate Science Fiction Simulator and that includes more then just space ships you child. Grow up and have a set of eyes and a brain to see outside the box. Also you'd notice almost 100 likes for the OP, and barely any of those people actually posting. You know why? People like you, close minded space bullies who are capable of doing nothing but bashing, name calling, and generally making fun of people and than calling all that an "Argument". Go away. You probably should have read the post you responded to before raging about it. I suppose it should be worth noting that at the time of my post there were like 30 threads in GD (quite likely all started by alts from the same dude) about CCP refocusing away from WiS. Fortunately most of the discussion has finally coalesced into a single place, which is useful.
However, there are still the "nuh-uh"ers on both sides, and some flat out stupid people. However, the debate isn't really WIS/no-WIS, it's whether or not it should be done Right Now.
And no. It should NOT be done Right Now. That would accelerate the failscade that CCP desperately needs to reverse. Only people who don't see that are rookies who joined a game for a feature that DOES NOT EXIST. |
Naso Gomez
31
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Posted - 2011.11.01 06:01:00 -
[809] - Quote
I want walking in stations, the idea seems cool and CCP has worked hard on it, they just need to work on that... micro-transaction part.
Plus, it would have been a waste of 5 years developing / advertisement it if it doesn't come out and that makes me even sadder. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
721
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Posted - 2011.11.01 06:02:00 -
[810] - Quote
Incarna and Dust514 are full of promises (I still mourn Planetside daily). In the end, if CCP pulls through, we'll have the most complete and interactive sci-fi game universe ever. What they're trying to do is nothing short of revolutionary.
It just so happens that they lack the resources to focus on everything at once. Right now, Eve(FIS) is paying the bills, so it only makes sense to focus on Eve(FIS).
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
465
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Posted - 2011.11.01 06:54:00 -
[811] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Incarna and Dust514 are full of promises (I still mourn Planetside daily). In the end, if CCP pulls through, we'll have the most complete and interactive sci-fi game universe ever. What they're trying to do is nothing short of revolutionary.
It just so happens that they lack the resources to focus on everything at once. Right now, Eve(FIS) is paying the bills, so it only makes sense to focus on Eve(FIS).
Brilliantly put |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.11.01 06:59:00 -
[812] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote:ConranAntoni wrote:...How exactly does creating a bar where your avatar can sit in type in local about shitfit canes count as actual content? ... No one that supports WiS is talking about 'sitting in bars'. That's overly simplistic and purposely obtuse. WiS supporters see that EVE has not changed significantly in 8 years. We also note that subscriptions have capped out at roughly 400,000 and haven't increased appreciably in the last year. The fact is, EVE has hit maximum density for it's current game design due to it's narrow focus of heavy PVP - only a small percentage of the world's online players have the willpower to handle the grim reality of EVE. Without bringing in fresh blood, the only way things can go for EVE is a slow and gradual decline... and that fresh blood has to be from a different pool of players (since PVPers have already tried EVE, or aren't interested in spaceship pew pew). Whether players want to admit it or not, EVE *must* expand or it will die a slow, lingering death. Every online game is competing for player loyalty by offering more and more features - EVE has to do the same in order to remain compeditive. As for potential 'content', WiS promised to offer features beyond mining, ratting, and wardeccing. War Rooms with holographic displays of local sectors, Player-run shops and additional crafting that offered hundreds of new blueprints and manufacturing options, an expanded economy, mini-games, and numerous other ideas. This IS content. Updated nebulae, 4 new ships, and engine trails hardly qualify as content.
Again I support WIS development. Again I can not tolerate poorly constructed arguments. 1. Several of the pro WIS posts in this very thread talk about being in a room together as added value. I agree in that to limit WIS to that is being obtuse. To say no one that supports WIS is citing that as added value is incorrect.
2. Eve Subscriptions capped out at the same time CCP said they put FIS on the back burner for 18 months and pour their resources into Incarna. This is not coincidence. To argue they have capped out because Eve FIS has reached its inevitable conclusion is incorrect.
Eve will always be a niche game. For WIS to work it needs to have elements that are not found in other games and are compelling to the current player base as well as potential new customers. This is achievable.
Krios Ahzek, you make a very valid point:
Quote:Incarna and Dust514 are full of promises (I still mourn Planetside daily). In the end, if CCP pulls through, we'll have the most complete and interactive sci-fi game universe ever. What they're trying to do is nothing short of revolutionary.
It just so happens that they lack the resources to focus on everything at once. Right now, Eve(FIS) is paying the bills, so it only makes sense to focus on Eve(FIS). |
Stella SGP
61
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:04:00 -
[813] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Stella SGP wrote:[quote=Valkris Arkayne]No one that supports WiS is talking about 'sitting in bars'. That's overly simplistic and purposely obtuse.
WiS supporters see that EVE has not changed significantly in 8 years. We also note that subscriptions have capped out at roughly 400,000 and haven't increased appreciably in the last year. The fact is, EVE has hit maximum density for it's current game design due to it's narrow focus of heavy PVP - only a small percentage of the world's online players have the willpower to handle the grim reality of EVE. Without bringing in fresh blood, the only way things can go for EVE is a slow and gradual decline... and that fresh blood has to be from a different pool of players (since PVPers have already tried EVE, or aren't interested in spaceship pew pew). . I just want to say that I'm a new player and I'm here because of the grim reality of EVE. Nice to see new players, but as Valkris has stated, there are not enough of 'you'.
"at roughly 400,000 and haven't increased appreciably in the last year. The fact is, EVE has hit maximum density for it's current game design due to it's narrow focus of heavy PVP - only a small percentage of the world's online players have the willpower to handle the grim reality of EVE."
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Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:08:00 -
[814] - Quote
Stella SGP wrote: Nice to see new players, but as Valkris has stated, there are not enough of 'you'.
"at roughly 400,000 and haven't increased appreciably in the last year. The fact is, EVE has hit maximum density for it's current game design due to it's narrow focus of heavy PVP - only a small percentage of the world's online players have the willpower to handle the grim reality of EVE."
Saying it lots does not make it any more true:
Quote:Eve Subscriptions capped out at the same time CCP said they would put FIS on the back burner for 18 months and pour their resources into Incarna. This is not coincidence. To argue they have capped out because Eve FIS has reached its inevitable conclusion is incorrect. |
Deliceous
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:11:00 -
[815] - Quote
I am for WIS. Joined the game in 2007 thinking I was joining Earth and Beyond, and was wondering where the WIS went..
not until 2009 I joined a different game that I remembered, But in 2008 showed some awsome WIS stuff. Ambulation.
I hope some comes out slowly. keeping it optional for vets, Manditory for 1st timers who can later turn it off.
I see some good growth in the player base which will mean more people to shoot at.
Easier targets that are not too concerned about Space ship travel so won't be so hardened when they travel. |
El Puerco
Abh Academy Abh Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:18:00 -
[816] - Quote
i also want to be able to jump and lie down and and crouch and all :P Errare humanum est. |
Stella SGP
61
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:21:00 -
[817] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Again I support WIS development. Again I can not tolerate poorly constructed arguments. 1. Several of the pro WIS posts in this very thread talk about being in a room together as added value. I agree in that to limit WIS to that is being obtuse. To say no one that supports WIS is citing that as added value is incorrect.
2. Eve Subscriptions capped out at the same time CCP said they put FIS on the back burner for 18 months and pour their resources into Incarna. This is not coincidence. To argue they have capped out because Eve FIS has reached its inevitable conclusion is incorrect.
Eve will always be a niche game. For WIS to work it needs to have elements that are not found in other games and are compelling to the current player base as well as potential new customers. This is achievable. WiS is about expanding gameplay options to try and appeal to more types of players. For people who aren't already playing, adding 10 more ships or revamping null isn't going to make them suddenly want to play. Focusing on FiS features would improve player retention, but not bring in the new 'players'. Which is the whole point of WiS and Dust, that is to try and appeal to the demographic that is least likely to try EVE or even heard of EVE. |
Stella SGP
61
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:30:00 -
[818] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Stella SGP wrote: Nice to see new players, but as Valkris has stated, there are not enough of 'you'.
"at roughly 400,000 and haven't increased appreciably in the last year. The fact is, EVE has hit maximum density for it's current game design due to it's narrow focus of heavy PVP - only a small percentage of the world's online players have the willpower to handle the grim reality of EVE."
Saying it lots does not make it any more true: Quote:Eve Subscriptions capped out at the same time CCP said they would put FIS on the back burner for 18 months and pour their resources into Incarna. This is not coincidence. To argue they have capped out because Eve FIS has reached its inevitable conclusion is incorrect. Yes, which is why I didn't include the "We also note that subscriptions have capped out" portion of the sentence because I'm not arguing whether or not EVE has capped out, I was only giving my opinion on what CCP is trying to do making WiS or Dust. Sadly many players don't see it that way and only wants CCP to focus on their narrow definition of 'fun'. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.11.01 08:27:00 -
[819] - Quote
Stella SGP wrote:Sadly many players don't see it that way and only wants CCP to focus on their narrow definition of 'fun'. You sound genuinely surprised that people who play an internet spaceship game want internet spaceship content.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Pent'nor
32
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Posted - 2011.11.01 10:24:00 -
[820] - Quote
Stella SGP wrote:WiS is about expanding gameplay options to try and appeal to more types of players. For people who aren't already playing, adding 10 more ships or revamping null isn't going to make them suddenly want to play. Focusing on FiS features would improve player retention, but not bring in the new 'players'. Which is the whole point of WiS and Dust, that is to try and appeal to the demographic that is least likely to try EVE or even heard of EVE.
Dust may not bring in many fps people to eve online because I think they like a faster pace game, but it will expand the people playing in the eve universe and enrich the fun for both fps and eve online players. Maybe some will join eve online to get a more indepth feeling, but what I find interesting is that when I get bored with fis stuff, then I can move to dust and still be playing in the universe I love. Which maybe exactly what i'll do and end up playing dust more than eve. However heres the point, none of my friends like or will play eve because it is a niche game and they don't like the niche. There is no amount of explaining I can give them that would convince them to play (its just not their style of game). I may be able to get a few to play dust because they are fps'rs. If eve had wis that was full of content and things to do, then I could probably bring in some of my friends that were rpg'rs.
I have no delusions about how long it may take to get an incarna that I could show my friends and have them go "wow thats cool!" It would be a very long process of small incarna releases, but of course never putting incarna as a priority. The eve community are fis players and if the eve universe is to expand its base to different gaming styles, then these fis players should never be ignored or felt neglected. Any development on wis should always be secondary to fis. That statement has been said over and over again, but I have no problem saying it again. Many of the wis people are even willing to wait with no development on it until winter or dust is done. They aren't being hardup and saying put wis first. They just want to know the plan and if one does get put in place, then make it secondary or balanced. If they haven't decided what to do yet, then we are posting to show our support for the incarna concept, don't abandon it. Keep the fis expansions coming as priority one while working on incarna. |
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Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
185
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Posted - 2011.11.01 10:28:00 -
[821] - Quote
I think instead of Dust and WoD and instead of changing their already aging game they should have focused on creating Eve 2. |
Ayumi Hinoki
Shimai of New Eden
32
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:28:00 -
[822] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Sadly many players don't see it that way and only wants CCP to focus on their narrow definition of 'fun'. You sound genuinely surprised that people who play an internet spaceship game want internet spaceship content.
Is it included in the meaning of internet spaceship content trading, researching and manufacturing, mining, exploration, corporation management or planetary interaction? Because of comments like that, it seems that EVE is only made of and for fighter players.
And you guys don't want to realize that combat is just another little field in this game, popularized, but not the only and the main way to play.
If you want pew-pew content, go to Black Prophecy. This is an Sci-Fi sandbox, which it's totally different. |
Daemeon Fyral
Kinda'Shujaa
8
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Posted - 2011.11.01 12:23:00 -
[823] - Quote
Dalloway Jones wrote:I think instead of Dust and WoD and instead of changing their already aging game they should have focused on creating Eve 2.
EVE 2?
What are you looking for? a new game experience... anyone who has played since the start could tell you that you already have that...
How about re-vamped graphics? wait, we got that too...
Well how about a change in mechanics and play style. I don't know about you but the winter expansion to me at least looks like it is going to bring about a MASSIVE change in battle strategy.
If you ask me we already have EVE 2, hell we're probably on EVE 3 by now with all the changes and iterations that CCP has done to the game. only difference is you didn't have to pay a second time for the game and it doesn't have some fancy numeral after the name. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
213
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Posted - 2011.11.01 12:28:00 -
[824] - Quote
Ayumi Hinoki wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Sadly many players don't see it that way and only wants CCP to focus on their narrow definition of 'fun'. You sound genuinely surprised that people who play an internet spaceship game want internet spaceship content. Is it included in the meaning of internet spaceship content trading, researching and manufacturing, mining, exploration, corporation management or planetary interaction? Because of comments like that, it seems that EVE is only made of and for fighter players. And you guys don't want to realize that combat is just another little field in this game, popularized, but not the only and the main way to play. If you want pew-pew content, go to Black Prophecy. This is an Sci-Fi sandbox, which it's totally different.
I haven't played BP in a while, but last time I was there, people were asking for avatars to be able to walk around in the stations. OMG! Our dedicated brethren here would walk right into the next game where people want "space barbies".
I'm tired of repeating arguments for the eventual development of WiS. I have already written lengthy posts. In the end it is not only about WiS.
I also see is that manufacturing, exploration, mining, corp management and planetary interaction will not get much love in the future.
It was CCPs plan to make EVE a total immersion space simulation sandbox, but instead of working on different aspects of the game, they focus on PVP in 0-Sec.
I'm happy that EVE is the way it is and that you are never secure and losses feel real. But having disaster around every corner doesn't mean I need CCP to push me around that corner.
Now when I read neutral forums, the general opinion on EVE by non-EVE-players often is: You get ganked every time you leave a station. You get killed everywhere, you get scammed, wardecced, cheated, etc. pp.. It is no fun. Obviously I think the game IS fun, but more focus on creative instead of destructive parts of the game wouldn't hurt a bit. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:47:00 -
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Aidan Brooder wrote:Ayumi Hinoki wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Sadly many players don't see it that way and only wants CCP to focus on their narrow definition of 'fun'. You sound genuinely surprised that people who play an internet spaceship game want internet spaceship content. Is it included in the meaning of internet spaceship content trading, researching and manufacturing, mining, exploration, corporation management or planetary interaction? Because of comments like that, it seems that EVE is only made of and for fighter players. And you guys don't want to realize that combat is just another little field in this game, popularized, but not the only and the main way to play. If you want pew-pew content, go to Black Prophecy. This is an Sci-Fi sandbox, which it's totally different. I haven't played BP in a while, but last time I was there, people were asking for avatars to be able to walk around in the stations. OMG! Our dedicated brethren here would walk right into the next game where people want "space barbies". I'm tired of repeating arguments for the eventual development of WiS. I have already written lengthy posts. In the end it is not only about WiS. I also see is that manufacturing, exploration, mining, corp management and planetary interaction will not get much love in the future. It was CCPs plan to make EVE a total immersion space simulation sandbox, but instead of working on different aspects of the game, they focus on PVP in 0-Sec. I'm happy that EVE is the way it is and that you are never secure and losses feel real. But having disaster around every corner doesn't mean I need CCP to push me around that corner. Now when I read neutral forums, the general opinion on EVE by non-EVE-players often is: You get ganked every time you leave a station. You get killed everywhere, you get scammed, wardecced, cheated, etc. pp.. It is no fun. Obviously I think the game IS fun, but more focus on creative instead of destructive parts of the game wouldn't hurt a bit. The problem is that CCP lost their way with WiS, instead of it being a full extension to the sandbox with engaging gamplay elements, they instead added the NEX store which adds nothing to the sanbox. With where WiS was headed it would have been little more than a cash shop showcase with nothing to keep people interested long term.
CCP destroyed the concept of Ambulation chasing microtransactions, and adding them on top of PLEX I might add.
To CCP who says you can't have capsuleers killing eachother ... I agree, but here's one example that could have been included that would add engaging sandbox gamplay:
- With Capsuleers not able to fight why couldn't I have a 'cage fighter' that could be produced via a new set of skillbooks, like producing anything else in EVE it would take time to produce (train) said 'cage fighter'. - Now here's the kicker, that 'cage fighter' can now be entered into 'events' in stations where people are able to bet on the outcome and the player who owns the 'cage fighter' actually controls them. - So we have players basically PvP'ing in stations, but it doesn't affect capsuleers. - The 'cage fighter' could be human or machine and like a ship would have pieces/fittings added to it. - The 'cage fighters' could also have a rating system where the more fights they win the higher their value with increased stats, etc. - The 'cage fighters' can be traded just like other commodities in EVE. - Also when events take place in different stations players have to ship their 'cage fighter' to those events, therefore taking the risk of losing them if attacked. - And just like losing your ship in PvP the 'cage fighter' would be destroyed if the player lost the match.
Hell if it was possible the cage fights in say Jita could be telecast on peoples screens in their CQ's (if technically possible) and have a EVE wide betting system on them.
This would actually be something that I'm sure would interest more people than standing at a bar typing /emote for 2 hours.
CCP have to go back to the drawing board and determine how to make WiS fun and interesting, anything else will be a let down. And for goodness sake ditch the NEX Store and add those elements back into the players hands via manufacturing, LP rewards, etc where they actually add some value to the sandbox.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
213
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:15:00 -
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I like the idea of a cage fight game and the concept you thought of. That is exactly the stuff I am looking for. Even better: Let them introduce Mind Clash as playable content!
I have said that before, the rollout CCP did for Incarna was horrible. While I understand they needed to test it - both for WOD and for EVE Incarna - they should have labelled the summer expansion exactly that: A test! And then build on it. People would have been more understanding. And they should never have introduced the Nex store. It should be burned. They could make that a player event, I think most of New Eden would join!
I want the true WiS one day. They can go small steps, as they will have to, anyway.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:46:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Hybrid fixes, super cap nerfs etc are all things that should have been in patches a year ago. And they weren't because CCP was so distracted. They learned their lesson and are refocusing their attention on Eve but you are trying to stop them.
Please quote where I have said CCP should stop FiS development. Until you can please stay away from the forums as you have failed the Turing test.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:55:00 -
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ConranAntoni wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:ConranAntoni wrote:This thread is literally terrible. If you want to prioritise walking in stations over damn actual content, go play Hello Kitty Dungeon Adventure.
How exactly does creating a bar where your avatar can sit in type in local about shitfit canes count as actual content? Seriously, this thread is deluded. Sure, once the major **** is done, let them throw some resources at it, might even turn out entertaining but EvE isn't about your peoples deluded "lets all sit in a station with no effectual interaction". It's about combat, wether actual ship pvp or as some put it "market" pvp. It's a sandbox for action, not a sandbox for freaking idiots trying to cyber in a bar with a bunch of other randomly designed and grotesque looking characters. Wow, another late to the game troll trying to spin what I was asking for and claiming that the only thing that can be rewarding for someone to do is doing just what he finds fun. Sir, your argument has me nearly convinced..... but not about what you set out to say..... It does make me hope shooting folks in the face is added to WiS soon if it comes back. Issler Thing is, i'm not trolling. I just don't count waiting a year or two for WiS that won't offer any real content as worthwhile over content which the game was primarily designed for; space combat. Repurposing assets for uninteresting station adventures where nothing makes any kind of difference in the larger scheme of things over a new ship type or FiS content which in turn could change things is rather idiotic. But of course, keep yelling for it, i'm sure when you can walk around in a lovely NeX store jacket and click sit or stand on a chair and look at everyone else doing the same will add a ton of atmosphere.
Please learn the true stated intent of Eve as a game from CCP and also read my posts before commenting in a thread you clearly haven't bothered to read.
CCP has clearly said Eve is intended to be a SciFi simulator, not just a space combat game. Look around at everything in Eve that isn't space combat.
Also I have made it clear I am not a fan of the NeX store and never intend to purchase a single clothing item from NeX. Becauce YOUR limited mind can't see some activity as fun doesn't mean everyone agrees. If you had bothered to read this thread completely and think before spewing you'd know many folk want some form of WiS.
So I'm sorry for you that if someday CCP ever does return to their initial vision of Eve there will be work on content you don't like. My advice to you is to immediately unsub and go play Jump Gate or Vendatta Online, both are space combat games that will likely never be anything else.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:56:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
It does make me hope shooting folks in the face is added to WiS soon if it comes back.
Know what? I'd support that. I'd support anything that would let me shoot YOU in the face.
Cool!
I'll count you as pro WiS then!
Issler |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
66
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Posted - 2011.11.01 21:08:00 -
[830] - Quote
@ Azahni Vah'nos: Nice job with that detailed breakdown, that must have been quite the job. I know 'cause I started to do the same, but stopped after about 1/3 of the thread, and I only had 2 categories.
Flamespar wrote:Given the huge response that this thread has gathered. Perhaps we should ask the CSM to represent our views to CCP. At the very least it would be nice for CCP to clarify what their plans for Incarna are given the uncertainty created by Hilmar's interview. I've asked the CSM to request a devblog about Incarna's future, and it looks like they won't even do that. I derive from the words of the chairman himself on that thread that he seems to not be interested in representing any "constituency" but his own. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.01 21:10:00 -
[831] - Quote
Che Biko wrote:@ Azahni Vah'nos: Nice job with that detailed breakdown, that must have been quite the job. I know 'cause I started to do the same, but stopped after about 1/3 of the thread, and I only had 2 categories. Flamespar wrote:Given the huge response that this thread has gathered. Perhaps we should ask the CSM to represent our views to CCP. At the very least it would be nice for CCP to clarify what their plans for Incarna are given the uncertainty created by Hilmar's interview. I've asked the CSM to request a devblog about Incarna's future, and it looks like they won't even do that. I derive from the words of the chairman himself on that thread that he seems to not be interested in representing any "constituency" but his own.
A sad commentary on CSM 6.
Issler |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.11.01 21:56:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Che Biko wrote:@ Azahni Vah'nos: Nice job with that detailed breakdown, that must have been quite the job. I know 'cause I started to do the same, but stopped after about 1/3 of the thread, and I only had 2 categories. Flamespar wrote:Given the huge response that this thread has gathered. Perhaps we should ask the CSM to represent our views to CCP. At the very least it would be nice for CCP to clarify what their plans for Incarna are given the uncertainty created by Hilmar's interview. I've asked the CSM to request a devblog about Incarna's future, and it looks like they won't even do that. I derive from the words of the chairman himself on that thread that he seems to not be interested in representing any "constituency" but his own. A sad commentary on CSM 6. Issler
Put yourself forward for CSM 7.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.01 23:08:00 -
[833] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Che Biko wrote:@ Azahni Vah'nos: Nice job with that detailed breakdown, that must have been quite the job. I know 'cause I started to do the same, but stopped after about 1/3 of the thread, and I only had 2 categories. Flamespar wrote:Given the huge response that this thread has gathered. Perhaps we should ask the CSM to represent our views to CCP. At the very least it would be nice for CCP to clarify what their plans for Incarna are given the uncertainty created by Hilmar's interview. I've asked the CSM to request a devblog about Incarna's future, and it looks like they won't even do that. I derive from the words of the chairman himself on that thread that he seems to not be interested in representing any "constituency" but his own. A sad commentary on CSM 6. Issler Put yourself forward for CSM 7.
I've run almost every year and I have thought about it. I will if I decide I can make the time commitment. If I do I have no expectations of doing any better than I have in the last two elections. I think the majority of who would be likely to vote for someone like me aren't on the forums and not interested in supporting the CSM so I'm not sure how to reach and motivate them to become involved,
Or its entirely possible I just wouldn't have that many supporters! (I'm very willing to acknowledge that possibility! )
Issler |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2011.11.01 23:11:00 -
[834] - Quote
Is this still the thread where Issler is posting over and over with the 3 other people that want Incarna being trolled by everyone else and then Issler claims it shows how popular it is? |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
126
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Posted - 2011.11.01 23:16:00 -
[835] - Quote
The often childish resistence against WiS makes me think of the history of motion pictures. Right after the 'silent era' (1894-1929) silent films were replaced by 'talking pictures' in the late 1920s. Many folks -- with a very limited imagination, only accepting of what they had -- couldn't handle the extra dimension added, and started ridiculing 'talkies,' typically by making mock-movies with funnily-montaged chirping sounds (the voice audio tracks of talking movies were still of very low quality at the time; hence the chirping), arguing 'voice' added no real content, and only brought down the aesthetic quality of cinema. Their immense shortsightedness, seen from today, speaks for itself.
My point? Don't be that stupid person ridiculing the extra dimension WiS offers. I know you love your FiS, and that you think that saying 'space barbie' a lot makes you look cool, and that you think you represent the 'real' EVE-er. Well, those who ridiculed 'talkies' went the way of the dinosaur, and now look dumb beyond measure. Instead, try and wrap your brain around the notion that WiS could add an entire new immersive dimension to EVE, akin to what adding voice did for movies; and that history will make it so that you'll inevitably be on the losing side of this argument, decisively.
Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be."
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.11.01 23:29:00 -
[836] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote: Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be."
Was that before he tagged along with an under performing police officer and used his writing experience and contacts help solve crimes?
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mkint
793
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Posted - 2011.11.01 23:33:00 -
[837] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:The often childish resistence against WiS makes me think of the history of motion pictures. Right after the 'silent era' (1894-1929) silent films were replaced by 'talking pictures' in the late 1920s. Many folks -- with a very limited imagination, only accepting of what they had -- couldn't handle the extra dimension added, and started ridiculing 'talkies,' typically by making mock-movies with funnily-montaged chirping sounds (the voice audio tracks of talking movies were still of very low quality at the time; hence the chirping), arguing 'voice' added no real content, and only brought down the aesthetic quality of cinema. Their immense shortsightedness, seen from today, speaks for itself.
My point? Don't be that stupid person ridiculing the extra dimension WiS offers. I know you love your FiS, and that you think that saying 'space barbie' a lot makes you look cool, and that you think you represent the 'real' EVE-er. Well, those who ridiculed 'talkies' went the way of the dinosaur, and now look dumb beyond measure. Instead, try and wrap your brain around the notion that WiS could add an entire new immersive dimension to EVE, akin to what adding voice did for movies; and that history will make it so that you'll inevitably be on the losing side of this argument, decisively.
Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be." HA! I'm not 100% convinced audio necessarily adds anything to movies except to make the worthless ones sell more.
And I'm fairly certain it can be pretty reliably documented that WiS has thus far hurt EVE more than help it. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.01 23:39:00 -
[838] - Quote
mkint wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:The often childish resistence against WiS makes me think of the history of motion pictures. Right after the 'silent era' (1894-1929) silent films were replaced by 'talking pictures' in the late 1920s. Many folks -- with a very limited imagination, only accepting of what they had -- couldn't handle the extra dimension added, and started ridiculing 'talkies,' typically by making mock-movies with funnily-montaged chirping sounds (the voice audio tracks of talking movies were still of very low quality at the time; hence the chirping), arguing 'voice' added no real content, and only brought down the aesthetic quality of cinema. Their immense shortsightedness, seen from today, speaks for itself.
My point? Don't be that stupid person ridiculing the extra dimension WiS offers. I know you love your FiS, and that you think that saying 'space barbie' a lot makes you look cool, and that you think you represent the 'real' EVE-er. Well, those who ridiculed 'talkies' went the way of the dinosaur, and now look dumb beyond measure. Instead, try and wrap your brain around the notion that WiS could add an entire new immersive dimension to EVE, akin to what adding voice did for movies; and that history will make it so that you'll inevitably be on the losing side of this argument, decisively.
Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be." HA! I'm not 100% convinced audio necessarily adds anything to movies except to make the worthless ones sell more. And I'm fairly certain it can be pretty reliably documented that WiS has thus far hurt EVE more than help it.
Your comment on the value of movie soundtracks shows how little you know. Watch "Wrath of Khan" with the sound turned off in a room with 20 other folks and see how many didn' like it as much. Soundtracks make a huge contribution to the overal film experience. Hollywood (and the most sucessful gaming companies) learned that a long time back.
And I can't wait for yout documented case that proves the WiS damage to Eve.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.01 23:40:00 -
[839] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Is this still the thread where Issler is posting over and over with the 3 other people that want Incarna being trolled by everyone else and then Issler claims it shows how popular it is?
No, that was a completely different thread, go see if you can find that one and post there.
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
372
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:27:00 -
[840] - Quote
Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes
The OP isnt counting votes, just likes (I gave you one btw) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:31:00 -
[841] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes The OP isnt counting votes, just likes (I gave you one btw)
Not really setting out to count anything. Just to prove there is support for CCP to continue with some sort of WiS work in the background while working on FiS.
Seemed have accomplished that quite nicely if I do say so myself!
Issler |
Metis Laxon
Royal Fleet Auxiliary Entropy Alliance
32
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:32:00 -
[842] - Quote
I wish that it will be revisited once again. I have written many an article on why it is a good thing. It was just the wrong time and the wrong approach to putting it out to the players. Nothing more nothing less. |
Lateris
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:34:00 -
[843] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:The often childish resistence against WiS makes me think of the history of motion pictures. Right after the 'silent era' (1894-1929) silent films were replaced by 'talking pictures' in the late 1920s. Many folks -- with a very limited imagination, only accepting of what they had -- couldn't handle the extra dimension added, and started ridiculing 'talkies,' typically by making mock-movies with funnily-montaged chirping sounds (the voice audio tracks of talking movies were still of very low quality at the time; hence the chirping), arguing 'voice' added no real content, and only brought down the aesthetic quality of cinema. Their immense shortsightedness, seen from today, speaks for itself.
My point? Don't be that stupid person ridiculing the extra dimension WiS offers. I know you love your FiS, and that you think that saying 'space barbie' a lot makes you look cool, and that you think you represent the 'real' EVE-er. Well, those who ridiculed 'talkies' went the way of the dinosaur, and now look dumb beyond measure. Instead, try and wrap your brain around the notion that WiS could add an entire new immersive dimension to EVE, akin to what adding voice did for movies; and that history will make it so that you'll inevitably be on the losing side of this argument, decisively.
Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be."
I couldn't agree more. Don't kill creativity. And we all agree the micro transactions are rubbish. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:55:00 -
[844] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Che Biko wrote:I have changed my mind and redacted my statement that I was willing to concede that the rest of the pro/con post likes was spread 50/50. After reviewing the thread again, it is clear to me that the majority of the post and likes in this thread are in favour of WiS in some form at some point in time.
Also, I would like to see one of those that claim the majority don't want WiS to link me a thread with nearly 30 pages where most posts/likes are against WiS, with a title similar to "Abandon WiS". I think there is one here on GD, but it appears to be rather inactive as I can't find it anymore. That wont happen because the CCP forum moderators close any other threads with WiS/FiS discussion and direct them here. So a pro dump WiS thread wont pop up on the forum and if it does it wont last long. We can only base stats off of what we see in this thread and remembering also that only a small portion of the userbase use the forums anyway. Hence the suggestion of using a poll at login if CCP want more accurate figures on who would like to see what.
well Id link to my thread ON THIS FORUM where I was testing your theory, but I get an error saying "the link cannot contain HTML" lol
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2011.11.02 01:00:00 -
[845] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes The OP isnt counting votes, just likes (I gave you one btw) Not really setting out to count anything. Just to prove there is support for CCP to continue with some sort of WiS work in the background while working on FiS. Seemed have accomplished that quite nicely if I do say so myself! Issler
Except every few posts you count how many people ARE fot WiS and who arent... Im for WiS, Im not for lying supporters of it. "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2011.11.02 01:01:00 -
[846] - Quote
I personally hold no strong opinion against or for mentioned feature. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
121
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:12:00 -
[847] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Alpheias wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
It does make me hope shooting folks in the face is added to WiS soon if it comes back.
Know what? I'd support that. I'd support anything that would let me shoot YOU in the face. Cool! I'll count you as pro WiS then! Issler
I'll be pro-WiS when it is implemented. Not before. 10/19 2011 - never forget the 20%
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Pent'nor
13
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:25:00 -
[848] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I've run almost every year and I have thought about it. I will if I decide I can make the time commitment. If I do I have no expectations of doing any better than I have in the last two elections. I think the majority of who would be likely to vote for someone like me aren't on the forums and not interested in supporting the CSM so I'm not sure how to reach and motivate them to become involved, Or its entirely possible I just wouldn't have that many supporters! (I'm very willing to acknowledge that possibility! ) Issler
A solely pro wis platform probably would not work, but say someone was from faction warfare with alot of ideas about fw and was also a supporter of wis may work. In the next election, I fully expect to see many candidates saying they support wis or not. I'd want someone that runs on a platform just like how I want incarna developed. Mainly fis stuff, but also in support of wis. But of course the virtually no cordination between the smaller groups such as fw will mean the odds are against them because many candidates will run and then split the vote.
But thats another topic... |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:50:00 -
[849] - Quote
god you wis lovers are like the people that voted for bush twice you are like a bunch of bible freaks with nothing but faith for the second coming your views are "incarna will be great i promise trust me believe it" and those who don't have faith are unimaginative?
i take the facts and the state of incaran/cq as it is now, add to it ccp's track record, and arrive at the conclusion that wis should be put down like a sick race horse
the winter patch is not new content, it's long overdue fixes, new fis content still need to be made but 2012 will be the year of dust as ccp will be on overdrive making sure dust suceeds (lots of sunk monies riding on it) in any case it will be a long time before we see any wis stuff, hell fix mining first
just stfu until then and wait like everybody else or buy a monocle to show your support
but you won't cus this little soapbox is all you got stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
31
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:53:00 -
[850] - Quote
I would like the People that say FiS only to please tell how they are going to change FiS to make it exciting for someone like me.
I been playing the game sence 2006. I have done WH. Null, low and high sec actvities. I have been in huge alliances, moderate corps and have done stuff pertty much solo.
To me nothing really changes much about FiS. No matter what they do about Sov or Faction Warefare it still comes down to a simple hunt and hunted dynamic. Sure sometimes it can be quite exhilerating to fight a close battle where the outcome is unknow, but most of the time it is quite boring. Adding new ships isn't going to change much it will simply require tweaking tactics not changing them. Unless they really change some rules nothing is going to change in the game no matter how much FiS they do. And if they do change rules I can only imagine how much crying some people are going to do.
I was looking forward to WiS because this was going to be different. I was looking forward to PI because this was going to be different. The mini games, the interactions, things would be different it wouldn't be the same stuff I have been doing for almost 6 years. Now CCP screwed up majorly in doing these new products, and lost subs because of it. Now they are going quickly go back to FiS which means nothing is going to change.
CCP is still screwing up imo, they learned the wrong lesson. I hope they figure out the right lesson soon or there problems are only going to continue.
PS I am not avocating they don't do any FiS, what I am hoping is they realize that FiS only is not moving forward and if you aren't moving forwad you are falling behind. |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2011.11.02 04:11:00 -
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Mekela wrote:I would like the People that say FiS only to please tell how they are going to change FiS to make it exciting for someone like me.
Quit, take a break. Then youll come back in a while. Its what we all do. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
17
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Posted - 2011.11.02 04:36:00 -
[852] - Quote
Mekela wrote:I would like the People that say FiS only to please tell how they are going to change FiS to make it exciting for someone like me. Aha! Engine Trails! Now that's some real content for you! Its going to make FiS so awesome! |
Jita Alt666
447
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Posted - 2011.11.02 05:39:00 -
[853] - Quote
Mekela wrote:I would like the People that say FiS only to please tell how they are going to change FiS to make it exciting for someone like me.
I would like the people who say that FIS is not for them to tell me what they like about Eve Online. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
628
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Posted - 2011.11.02 06:41:00 -
[854] - Quote
Mekela wrote:I would like the People that say FiS only to please tell how they are going to change FiS to make it exciting for someone like me It sounds like Eve is not the right game for you.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
luZk
Jaegerkorpset
61
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Posted - 2011.11.02 08:06:00 -
[855] - Quote
I want WiS, no matter how many times the same 5 people in this thread tell me over and over again its a bad idea. Infact that even makes me want it more. |
Daron Rostar
6
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Posted - 2011.11.02 09:31:00 -
[856] - Quote
luZk wrote:I want WiS, no matter how many times the same 5 people in this thread tell me over and over again its a bad idea. Infact that even makes me want it more.
This. |
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
471
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Posted - 2011.11.02 09:35:00 -
[857] - Quote
I'm all for it, but not in it's current state. Open the damn door! Golem GÇó CCP In-Game Event 2011.11.23 GÇó Nyio GÇó Grenade? |
Oswald Patsee
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.11.02 09:59:00 -
[858] - Quote
Mekela wrote:I would like the People that say FiS only to please tell how they are going to change FiS to make it exciting for someone like me.
Here's how:
1. Log on to EVE 2. Click on static door waaaay in the background behind your ship floating (or spinning ) in your hangar. 3. Walk to family room, den, man cave, chick pad, emo command center, etc.. 4. Press ALT -Tab 5. Log on to Second Life 6. Press ALT - Tab 7. Log off of EVE 8. Move forward in the game someone like you really wants to play
EVE is about flying in space. Anything else is a different game that just screws up EVE and flying in space. |
Khors
El Barco Pirata
52
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Posted - 2011.11.02 10:47:00 -
[859] - Quote
All these bitter vets that never even log on, let alone undock, stating that eve is about flying spaceships is hilarious. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1256
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Posted - 2011.11.02 11:53:00 -
[860] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:i take the facts and the state of incaran/cq as it is now, add to it ccp's track record, and arrive at the conclusion that wis should be put down like a sick race horse
the winter patch is not new content, it's long overdue fixes, new fis content still need to be made but 2012 will be the year of dust as ccp will be on overdrive making sure dust suceeds (lots of sunk monies riding on it) in any case it will be a long time before we see any wis stuff, hell fix mining first
just stfu until then and wait like everybody else or buy a monocle to show your support
but you won't cus this little soapbox is all you got
As for WiS, players wanted what was shown in Ambulation, not the current CQ engine. Also don't include NEX with WiS. NEX was added in at the last moment by CCP.
Jita Alt666 wrote:Mekela wrote:I would like the People that say FiS only to please tell how they are going to change FiS to make it exciting for someone like me.
I would like the people who say that FIS is not for them to tell me what they like about Eve Online.
Ahhh, jumping to the other side of the fence again. WiS supporters have never said they don't want FiS.
I agree with Mekela, I've yet to see any of the WiS nay sayers post any ideas for new FiS specific game content.
Khors wrote: All these bitter vets that never even log on, let alone undock, stating that eve is about flying spaceships is hilarious.
Good observation and excellent point. I think this is probably closer to the truth:
Quote:Just a few bitter vets and their alts that never even log on, let alone undock, constantly stating that eve is only about flying spaceships is hilarious. |
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Ayumi Hinoki
Shimai of New Eden
32
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:58:00 -
[861] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Oswald Patsee wrote:EVE is about flying in space. Anything else is a different game that just screws up EVE and flying in space. This guy knows what's up.
Sure, trading, industry, exploration, planetary interaction and other fields of EVE Online just ruin the game.
Have you noticed that there are more skill groups than Gunnery, Spaceship Command or Missile Launcher Operation? Even if you don't use them, they exist and are the primary source of income and gameplay style for a lot of players.
Take a look at this, this, this, and also this if you have time, because EVE is not just about flying in space. Is a lot more than that.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
372
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:10:00 -
[862] - Quote
luZk wrote:I want WiS, no matter how many times the same 5 people in this thread tell me over and over again its a bad idea. Infact that even makes me want it more.
I dont want it no matter many times the same 5 people in this thread tell me over and over again its a good idea. Infact that even makes me want it less.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
372
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:13:00 -
[863] - Quote
Quote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Mekela wrote:I would like the People that say FiS only to please tell how they are going to change FiS to make it exciting for someone like me.
I would like the people who say that FIS is not for them to tell me what they like about Eve Online. Ahhh, jumping to the other side of the fence again. WiS supporters have never said they don't want FiS.
read that quote again... thats what it says...
Khors wrote:All these noobs that only joined for WiS, let alone undock, stating that eve is not about flying spaceships is hilarious.
fixt
ah, I misunderstood you, I thought you were intelligent. Given that youre trying to say they have nothing to do with FiS when FiS DRIVES all of the things you linked... yeah sorry, some back with an IQ point or two https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
645
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Posted - 2011.11.02 15:46:00 -
[864] - Quote
Haters gona hate
CCP was developing FiS from the begining thats like 2003, right.
All we are not saying CCP should stop working on FiS(not those that i know), but that it fulfill it promises. IS that bad. And as many i am afraid about the implementation of it too.
As we know CCP want EVE to be an ultimate sci-fi simulator.
PS. Didn't play it but i think SecondLife is ****. |
Metis Laxon
Zero Point Group
9
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:03:00 -
[865] - Quote
Ayumi Hinoki wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Oswald Patsee wrote:EVE is about flying in space. Anything else is a different game that just screws up EVE and flying in space. This guy knows what's up. Sure, trading, industry, exploration, planetary interaction and other fields of EVE Online just ruin the game. Have you noticed that there are more skill groups than Gunnery, Spaceship Command or Missile Launcher Operation? Even if you don't use them, they exist and are the primary source of income and gameplay style for a lot of players. Take a look at this, this, this, and also this if you have time, because EVE is not just about flying in space. Is a lot more than that.
I couldn't agree more here.
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Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
24
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:41:00 -
[866] - Quote
For now i would be happy with a corp only area.
I'm guessing that CCP can't get WIS to work and are just pretending that they have decided to concentrate more on ships... I mean what are they really doing? Adding features that people have been asking for for years and ships that users have designed?
I want to see all the little things that **** me off every day fixed and existing features improved and expanded on. I don't want new bug ridden content.
WIS stations needs to be a fleshed out game with it's own skill tree, items and gameplay. Anything less is not worth the development cost/time. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:45:00 -
[867] - Quote
Ambulation |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
48
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:45:00 -
[868] - Quote
Ayumi Hinoki wrote:Have you noticed that there are more skill groups than Gunnery, Spaceship Command or Missile Launcher Operation? Even if you don't use them, they exist and are the primary source of income and gameplay style for a lot of players. Take a look at this, this, this, and also this if you have time, because EVE is not just about flying in space. Is a lot more than that. This guy knows what's up.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
210
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:30:00 -
[869] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:CCP! A lot of us want WiS We already have WiS.
... on our own in a small shoebox.
Sadly, we won't get more - if anything at all - for a long time (well more shoeboxes). Better get used to the idea.
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Kinroi Alari
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League
8
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:20:00 -
[870] - Quote
I like FiS (I'll lurve it more after the hybrids get balanced! ).* I like WiS (I damn well want Gallente and Caldari CQs, and I think Carbon has issues). I'm hoping that they'll continue the overdue FiS fixes, yet will have some kind of joint WiS area for EVE/DUST514 avatars. (*No, I'm still not expecting Gallente ships to actually become feasible; but that's why I lurve Guristas ships.)
But you know what I really lurve? I love the tears of rage this FiS/WiS controversy evokes. Know what they remind me of?
I don't roleplay -- but the tears from this debate are nigh as tasty as those from all the anti-roleplayers who wail and moan about carebear RPers and PVEers, while the anti-roleplayers play a space game where they camp gates in their underwater internet spreadsheets, backlit by the (soon to be moar awesome) nebulae. It's joyous irony! |
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Jita Alt666
449
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:37:00 -
[871] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions
The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
246
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Posted - 2011.11.02 20:03:00 -
[872] - Quote
EVE Stig wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes The OP isnt counting votes, just likes (I gave you one btw) Not really setting out to count anything. Just to prove there is support for CCP to continue with some sort of WiS work in the background while working on FiS. Seemed have accomplished that quite nicely if I do say so myself! Issler Except every few posts you count how many people ARE fot WiS and who arent... Im for WiS, Im not for lying supporters of it.
I haven't counted ANY posts. And my post started out to prove there are SOME people that wanted WiS work to continue contrary to Himlars comments. I am saying even without counting this thread proves that nicely.
So get your facts straight.
Issler |
StuRyan
Assisted Homicide Legion of The Damned.
11
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Posted - 2011.11.02 20:09:00 -
[873] - Quote
WTF is Wis
OMFG GTFO LMFAO |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.02 20:31:00 -
[874] - Quote
The idea that CCP had infinite resources so they could work on everything all the time turned out to be false.
So they had to prioritize their resources.
Hence instead of space second life, we are getting the changes in the winter expansion. It seems the player base is very happy about it. I know I am.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden N E X O
5
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:05:00 -
[875] - Quote
If we take a peak of the upcoming features for the winter expansion, they're mainly deploying PvP focused content.
But what about the current boring mining system? It's famous because you fall asleep playing EVE that way. Or Planetary Interaction? It's like a casual minigame. And so a lot of gameplay styles.
CCP can't focus on other content that's not PvP because you guys never stop crying out loud or flooding the forums. It's healthy and constructive to complain about the NeX store or things that hurts the game, but not to every single feature that has nothing to do with PvP, even when it has not been finished.
What I cannot understand is what's the purpose of demoralizing every player that supports Incarna imposing your game style. They're just exposing their opinion of what was promised in Ambulation and what we have now (an unfinished product with no content), and they never negated or underestimated the value or priority of FiS over other features.
Come on, we fought for the same game this summer in Jita/Amarr/Dodixie, why fight each other now? |
Kinroi Alari
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League
8
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:11:00 -
[876] - Quote
Hikaru Kuroda wrote:Come on, we fought for the same game this summer in Jita/Amarr/Dodixie, why fight each other now?
To some (though not all), the forums are yet another PVP venue?
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Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:15:00 -
[877] - Quote
I agree we want WIS, but mostly we need too have something too do in WIS. This prison cell wont cut it.
Abandoning WIS because of some NULL whiners is not a good strategi. There isent much too do in space accept get ISK so you can pvp this also needs to change. If we want more subscribers we need more gamplay options....
1 Fix the bounty system... I have an idea that I know would work, and would activate alot of players 2 Smuggling needs to be brought back to life, let players police it. Lots of fun **** to happen there. 3 Fix Null sec, more profit compared to highsec etc etc make it worth doing 4 Drug manafacturing(boosters) need to be something you can get into easy and fast. And most of all it needs to be WORTH doing = profitabal. 5. More law and Order in highsec space.. If you shoot someone you instanly get -0,1 standings and Bounty licenced corps can shoot you anywhere ( yes even In highsec, and if they shoot back concord comes to help) 6. Pirate Null should work as highsec accept nobody safves you if you get attacked, but you cant enter it unless you have negative sec status = free heaven for PIRATES. 7. Fix fraction warfare (PLEASE)
Bottom line the game has so many unfinished fetures or broken fetures, that has piled up over the years that CCP needs to fix them before bringing in more... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2011.11.02 22:52:00 -
[878] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit.
+1 for changing my statement into something else entirely, -10 for trying to pass off that false quote as factual.
A rational and intelligent Human Being wouldn't alter quotes while trying to prove a point.
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Jita Alt666
449
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Posted - 2011.11.02 22:56:00 -
[879] - Quote
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:I agree we want WIS, but mostly we need too have something too do in WIS. This prison cell wont cut it.
Abandoning WIS because of some NULL whiners is not a good strategi. There isent much too do in space accept get ISK so you can pvp this also needs to change. If we want more subscribers we need more gamplay options....
1 Fix the bounty system... I have an idea that I know would work, and would activate alot of players 2 Smuggling needs to be brought back to life, let players police it. Lots of fun **** to happen there. 3 Fix Null sec, more profit compared to highsec etc etc make it worth doing 4 Drug manafacturing(boosters) need to be something you can get into easy and fast. And most of all it needs to be WORTH doing = profitabal. 5. More law and Order in highsec space.. If you shoot someone you instanly get -0,1 standings and Bounty licenced corps can shoot you anywhere ( yes even In highsec, and if they shoot back concord comes to help) 6. Pirate Null should work as highsec accept nobody safves you if you get attacked, but you cant enter it unless you have negative sec status = free heaven for PIRATES. 7. Fix fraction warfare (PLEASE)
Bottom line the game has so many unfinished fetures or broken fetures, that has piled up over the years that CCP needs to fix them before bringing in more...
Is your number 1 the same as number 5? Bounty licensing corps sounds like an interesting concept. Working it in with the current concord system would make for dynamic player content in empire.
Number 6 seems pretty silly: I'm not sure why your sec status should limit your access to space. A similar system to faction space and sec staus in empire could be introduced by dividing the sandbox up seems a bit out of context.
Agree with smuggling. Need the ability to create demand before it will take off though Agree with 0.0 buff. Agree with faction warfare
All of these can be instanced using the current FIS interfacing.
The big challenge is how to add value to concepts by utilising WIS interfacing.
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Jita Alt666
449
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Posted - 2011.11.02 22:59:00 -
[880] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit. +1 for changing my statement into something else entirely, -10 for trying to pass off that false quote as factual. A rational and intelligent Human Being wouldn't alter quotes while trying to prove a point.
hahah. That is not an attempt to pass of a false quote as factual. That is a dismissive summary of your post.
Many rational and intelligent human beings have made alterations to items other perceive as being factual. By many I mean all. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
145
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Posted - 2011.11.03 00:25:00 -
[881] - Quote
All of you saying "If you don't like FiS then EvE isn't for you" are the ones that will ultimately kill EvE or at the very least prevent CCP from ever increasing their profits. MMO's have to change and bring new and fresh things to survive. EvE has done so by doing exactly this so far but to completely ignore all the people out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't walk around outside your ship is stupidity.
Ignorance really is bliss in EvE as made evident by many of you in this thread alone. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.03 02:07:00 -
[882] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:All of you saying "If you don't like FiS then EvE isn't for you" are the ones that will ultimately kill EvE or at the very least prevent CCP from ever increasing their profits. MMO's have to change and bring new and fresh things to survive. EvE has done so by doing exactly this so far but to completely ignore all the people out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't walk around outside your ship is stupidity.
Ignorance really is bliss in EvE as made evident by many of you in this thread alone.
Yeah but the question is *how* are they going to keep it fresh? Most of us who are going to play a sci fi game are men. Denying this is just ignorant.
Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.
So if they want to appeal the correct demographic they will give us more ways to blow stuff up not more ways to dress up. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
49
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Posted - 2011.11.03 02:19:00 -
[883] - Quote
Cearain wrote: Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.
Exactly how limited has a mind to be to think of further immersiveness and truer virtual realities only in terms of playing 'dress-up'? What is it that the man said?! "You, Sir, are so narrow minded, that if you fell on a pin it would blind you in both eyes."
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.11.03 02:33:00 -
[884] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Cearain wrote: Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.
Exactly how limited has a mind to be to think of further immersiveness and truer virtual realities only in terms of playing 'dress-up'? What is it that the man said?! "You, Sir, are so narrow minded, that if you fell on a pin it would blind you in both eyes."
Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses.
They are talking about dressing up computer avatars.
You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
49
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Posted - 2011.11.03 02:41:00 -
[885] - Quote
Cearain wrote: Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses.
They are talking about dressing up computer avatars.
You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded.
Dressing up your avatar is just a start. After all, without a plausible, customized persona nothing goes, virtual reality wise. And you need immersive surroundings. Like I said: that's just where it starts. Once that door opens... oh wait, people like you sabotaged that future. Ironic, isn't it?
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:08:00 -
[886] - Quote
before any fixes to anything Issler Dainze fix your eyes what is wrong
i don't know why you wis ppl are upset, the engine is completed wis is coming, however later rather than sooner sooner if ccp can optimize the engine later if ccp just sit on their hands and wait 3 years as cpus and graphic cards double their power for the same price
stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:17:00 -
[887] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Cearain wrote: Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses.
They are talking about dressing up computer avatars.
You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded.
Dressing up your avatar is just a start. After all, without a plausible, customized persona nothing goes, virtual reality wise. And you need immersive surroundings. Like I said: that's just where it starts. Once that door opens... oh wait, people like you sabotaged that future. Ironic, isn't it?
Once that door opens we would get to walk in those clothes. And look at other people and what they dressed their computer avatars in. And walk and look and walk and look some more.
Maybe we would get a catwalk to strut on.
One thing we know we won't get, are guns to shoot eachother with. No guns no swords not even light sabres. We will be lucky if we can even shove eachother. No combat at all. Dust gets all the combat.
Most people know by now that there is little sense in making a computer game without combat. The last game that I recall not having combat was myst. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:19:00 -
[888] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit. +1 for changing my statement into something else entirely, -10 for trying to pass off that false quote as factual. A rational and intelligent Human Being wouldn't alter quotes while trying to prove a point. I find it amusing that someone who posted in this thread about people insulting others seems to be the main instigator of that very activity. Especially after posting the following:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doesn't matter what you think, any anti-WiS reply or negative personal attacks against those who post support for WiS could be considered, per Forum Rules, as flaming and trolling in an attempt to derail thread and cause Flame war. As per Forum rules, that alone could be used as reason for removal of said posted replies.. All sounds very nice, keep your comments civil and all that, except:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:* You not only spam your biased opinions but you're also the loudest hypocrite posting in this thread. * -10 for lack of reading comprehension and vocabulary skills.. * Go back to school and learn reading comprehension. Twisting my statements around in an attempt to justify your self-righteous attitude is fail troll. * To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it. * They lack the mental ability to envision any of the multiple possibility's that could arise from this. * I'd love to see all of you closed minded trolls emo rage jump into the nearest Bio-Vat. * God, I'm really getting sick and tired of seeing close minded simpletons spouting garbage like 'Space Barbie' bla bla bla 'FiS' bla bla bla 'No content for 18 months' bla bla bla. So per the quote above would they be concidered 'negative personal attacks'? Well at least Phantom pegged him once for a personal attack in one of his threads, Phantom must have missed the others.
Well getting back on subject, it looks like CCP is doing what those few 'close minded simpletons' want with the winter expansion then huh. (cynicism in case you missed it) Only CCP truly knows at this stage how many accounts were reactivated after the FiS refocus announcements and we'll have to wait to see it's effect on numbers after the winter expansion is released.
Moving forward, CCP need to rethink where they were headed with WiS and make it more about fun interesting sandbox game content and less about the cash shop. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
19
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:28:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses.
They are talking about dressing up computer avatars.
You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded. I sell clues, want to buy 1? Only 100 mils.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:42:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:All of you saying "If you don't like FiS then EvE isn't for you" are the ones that will ultimately kill EvE or at the very least prevent CCP from ever increasing their profits. MMO's have to change and bring new and fresh things to survive. EvE has done so by doing exactly this so far but to completely ignore all the people out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't walk around outside your ship is stupidity.
Ignorance really is bliss in EvE as made evident by many of you in this thread alone. Nobody is against CCP expanding Eve and making more money. The problem was that they were neglecting the primary reason people play Eve to create dress-up barbie dolls attached to a ridiculous microtransaction store. Now CCP has woken up and is expanding the core gameplay of Eve and it will be more successful because of it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
146
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:09:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Cearain wrote: Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.
Exactly how limited has a mind to be to think of further immersiveness and truer virtual realities only in terms of playing 'dress-up'? What is it that the man said?! "You, Sir, are so narrow minded, that if you fell on a pin it would blind you in both eyes." Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses. They are talking about dressing up computer avatars. You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded.
You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point.
On that note however...the ship explosions themselves could really use some work...they are rather boring. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Caldari Acolyte
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:10:00 -
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WIS...No, The Sims is that way-----> |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:47:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Pent'nor
13
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:50:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Nobody is against CCP expanding Eve and making more money. The problem was that they were neglecting the primary reason people play Eve to create dress-up barbie dolls attached to a ridiculous microtransaction store. Now CCP has woken up and is expanding the core gameplay of Eve and it will be more successful because of it.
If the core game elements were always put first or prioritized higher, then would there be as many angry people or anti wis people? I totally understand many of their point of views and agree with some of them. The majority of the playerbase are fis players and to take their money and pump it into wis as a priority one was not the way to go about it. I think many had a problem with this and that turned them into anti-wis. Also there may not be currently enough resources to do anything with incarna, which is another point that has been brought up, so it is best to wait till the company is in better shape to try again. Another very valid point. I have no idea how incarna development works and they may actually need a largish force to get any headway on it.
However many from both sides can agree that the concept of incarna could bring in new blood, expand its playerbase, and give ccp more subs/money. The barbie comments are just a fun way to describe the junk we currently have with incarna. It could be so much more and if it is not that, but rather just a side note to fis, then incarna was a failure before it ever started. A side note wont bring in that many new players. I'm not going to dock up at a station and spend the extra load time for a side note. There must be content, things to do and the ability to feel like living in a station is just as much apart of the game as flying spaceships. There are many ideas even posted in this thread about how to do that.
Although, how do we get there? How can ccp make an incarna that does not annoy its current playerbase? The end result of a finished incarna could be a huge payoff for ccp and enrich the eve players life, however, it is a long term goal. Trying to spit out incarna as fast as possible is not the correct path. I believe the path is to keep it as a long term goal and assign resouces to it as such. Always keeping the core elements of our current eve universe as priority one, but not forgetting about incarna. |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
19
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:54:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions. Nah, the micro-transaction portion is "suppose" to be optional like how it is now. WiS was "suppose" to allow booster trading in hi-sec (something along those lines at least) and gambling on mini games. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2011.11.03 05:31:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions. Nah, the micro-transaction portion is "suppose" to be optional like how it is now. WiS was "suppose" to allow booster trading in hi-sec (something along those lines at least) and gambling on mini games. It seems some people have missed some of the facts surrounding the whole microtransaction debacle. When the shite was hitting the fan over the Fearless newsletter regarding 'gold ammo', etc, yes for anyone who cared to look into it further they would have seen that it was just some internal CCP theorising. So that by itself meant little as to where CCP's stance was on the subject of microtransactions.
Now having said that if we look at the context of the Fearless newsletter talking about 'gold ammo', golden geese and microtransactions on many things other than clothing, etc, then view Hilmar's email, please tell me where this 'suppose' line is coming from because Hilmar stated where CCP was headed with microtransactions in EVE.
And just in case you missed the quote in Hilmar's email referencing microtransactions that should have made any EVE player more than a little concerned.
Hilmar's Email wrote:We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone. One of the problems was that Hilmar clearly thought that like in other games the players in EVE would just bend over and take the addition of microtransactions and the monetizing of more aspects of the game. Maybe just maybe he might stop listening to these supposed industry experts telling him that he'd be rolling in money and show the playerbase that he actually gives a **** about the integrity of EVE the sandbox game. And not try and turn it into EVE the wanna be themepark, microtransactioned up the wahzoo game. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
19
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Posted - 2011.11.03 05:43:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions. Nah, the micro-transaction portion is "suppose" to be optional like how it is now. WiS was "suppose" to allow booster trading in hi-sec (something along those lines at least) and gambling on mini games. It seems some people have missed some of the facts surrounding the whole microtransaction debacle. When the shite was hitting the fan over the Fearless newsletter regarding 'gold ammo', etc, yes for anyone who cared to look into it further they would have seen that it was just some internal CCP theorising. So that by itself meant little as to where CCP's stance was on the subject of microtransactions. Now having said that if we look at the context of the Fearless newsletter talking about 'gold ammo', golden geese and microtransactions on many things other than clothing, etc, then view Hilmar's email, please tell me where this 'suppose' line is coming from because Hilmar stated where CCP was headed with microtransactions in EVE. And just in case you missed the quote in Hilmar's email referencing microtransactions that should have made any EVE player more than a little concerned. Yea, thats why I said 'suppose'. Anyway from what I can recall they were talking more about selling 'conveniences', such as standings or sec statues, rather then straight up over-powered gold ammo. Weren't they?
Then again if they wanted to sell gold ammo in the NEX, they don't really need WiS platform to do it. So, please don't mix the 2 together. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2011.11.03 05:55:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
I haven't counted ANY posts. And my post started out to prove there are SOME people that wanted WiS work to continue contrary to Himlars comments. I am saying even without counting this thread proves that nicely.
So get your facts straight.
Issler
Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler
ah youre not lying, youre making it up. Fair enough https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2011.11.03 06:01:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions. Nah, the micro-transaction portion is "suppose" to be optional like how it is now. WiS was "suppose" to allow booster trading in hi-sec (something along those lines at least) and gambling on mini games. It seems some people have missed some of the facts surrounding the whole microtransaction debacle. When the shite was hitting the fan over the Fearless newsletter regarding 'gold ammo', etc, yes for anyone who cared to look into it further they would have seen that it was just some internal CCP theorising. So that by itself meant little as to where CCP's stance was on the subject of microtransactions. Now having said that if we look at the context of the Fearless newsletter talking about 'gold ammo', golden geese and microtransactions on many things other than clothing, etc, then view Hilmar's email, please tell me where this 'suppose' line is coming from because Hilmar stated where CCP was headed with microtransactions in EVE. And just in case you missed the quote in Hilmar's email referencing microtransactions that should have made any EVE player more than a little concerned. Yea, thats why I said 'suppose'. Anyway from what I can recall they were talking more about selling 'conveniences', such as standings or sec statues, rather then straight up over-powered gold ammo. Weren't they? Then again if they wanted to sell gold ammo in the NEX, they don't need WiS platform to do it. There is no reason to load WiS just to use the NEX. So, please don't mix the 2 together. Unfortunately they are not as separate as you say, because CCP poluted WiS with the inclusion of microtransactions and this has given the pro-FiS players even more reason to despise anything involving WiS. Cash shop 'creep' has been seen in other games and with where CCP was headed with microtransactions the pro-FiS'ers were right to believe that it wouldn't be long before space aspects of the game had microtransactions attached to them. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
249
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Posted - 2011.11.03 06:15:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
I haven't counted ANY posts. And my post started out to prove there are SOME people that wanted WiS work to continue contrary to Himlars comments. I am saying even without counting this thread proves that nicely.
So get your facts straight.
Issler
Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler ah youre not lying, youre making it up. Fair enough
I never "counted" anything. That was the number the forum provided for "likes". I quoted it. Others have counted stuff. In fact others pointed out some likes were not in favor of WiS. Doesn't matter because enough were from some WiS development to continue.
All I intended to convey to CCP was Hilmar's implication in his interview was wrong, Everyone in Eve did not hate WiS and only want FiS. That many folks wanted some WiS development to continue and not be "put on ice".
The responses in this thread proved that beyond my expectations and no counting is required to make my case.
I mostly try and ignore your responses as they are clearly trolling but you provided a legitimate reason for a bump! Keep 'm cumin'!
Issler
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Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
22
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Posted - 2011.11.03 06:16:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Yea, thats why I said 'suppose'. Anyway from what I can recall they were talking more about selling 'conveniences', such as standings or sec statues, rather then straight up over-powered gold ammo. Weren't they?
Then again if they wanted to sell gold ammo in the NEX, they don't need WiS platform to do it. There is no reason to load WiS just to use the NEX. So, please don't mix the 2 together. Unfortunately they are not as separate as you say, because CCP poluted WiS with the inclusion of microtransactions and this has given the pro-FiS players even more reason to despise anything involving WiS. Cash shop 'creep' has been seen in other games and with where CCP was headed with microtransactions the pro-FiS'ers were right to believe that it wouldn't be long before space aspects of the game had microtransactions attached to them. Oh come on, you're smart enough to recognize that WiS and MT are 2 seperate issues, yet you still choose to lump them up together like all the others? CCP could have launched NEX without Incarna if they wanted to and start selling ship skins. One does not need the other! So, its silly for pro-FiS'ers to believe that space aspect will have MT because of WiS. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
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Posted - 2011.11.03 06:58:00 -
[902] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:The responses in this thread proved that beyond my expectations and no counting is required to make my case.
30+ pages of you and the other Barbie fetishists getting trolled is proof of what exactly?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Sathynos
BSX Industries Inver Brass
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 08:28:00 -
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Hey CCP,
I think a little clarification is needed. Few people opposed Incarna as a concept. In fact a lot of people would love a new, broader, groud-based aspect of the game. What people opposed was half-bred version of that idea, the captain quaters being forced upon us. I'd love meaningfull interactions with an avatar, poker games for ISK and stuff. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
126
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Posted - 2011.11.03 08:47:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Unfortunately they are not as separate as you say, because CCP poluted WiS with the inclusion of microtransactions and this has given the pro-FiS players even more reason to despise anything involving WiS. Incarna and the money-grubbing aspirations of a certain CEO really are two separate issues. Incarna goes way back, when Ambulation was just a gleam in the eye of developers who were faced with hardware that couldn't nearly make their dreams a reality yet. Then Hilmar injected greed into the equation; allegedly because some Korean demographics had shown him that he could make money, hand over fist, pushing Needlessly EXpensive stuff down our throats. And he actually even botched that too (how sad is that!?), as he didn't even offer anything of value in his store -- other than the silly monocle, of course (which wasn't even a monocle, LOL, but an ocular implant which looked so slapped-on that people started calling it a monocle).
Anyway, as you yourself say, WiS became polluted with the NeX. That was Hilmar's doing alone. And it wasn't even necessary. If he wanted microtransactions, he could have sold things like ship skins/corp logos, etc. You know, stuff people actually wanted. Alas, he went with a very poor selection of even more poorly designed clothes. That still baffles me; any business man with half a sense will tell you not to open up a store until you... have actually something to sell!
As an anyway to my anyway, WiS and NeX are separate entities. As a consequence, I hope to see less of the latter, and a little more of the former.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
739
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Posted - 2011.11.03 09:13:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Yea, thats why I said 'suppose'. Anyway from what I can recall they were talking more about selling 'conveniences', such as standings or sec statues, rather then straight up over-powered gold ammo. Weren't they?
Then again if they wanted to sell gold ammo in the NEX, they don't need WiS platform to do it. There is no reason to load WiS just to use the NEX. So, please don't mix the 2 together. Unfortunately they are not as separate as you say, because CCP poluted WiS with the inclusion of microtransactions and this has given the pro-FiS players even more reason to despise anything involving WiS. Cash shop 'creep' has been seen in other games and with where CCP was headed with microtransactions the pro-FiS'ers were right to believe that it wouldn't be long before space aspects of the game had microtransactions attached to them. Oh come on, you're smart enough to recognize that WiS and MT are 2 seperate issues, yet you still choose to lump them up together like all the others? CCP could have launched NEX without Incarna if they wanted to and start selling ship skins. One does not need the other! So, its silly for pro-FiS'ers to believe that space aspect will have MT because of WiS. Edit - Anyway, if you want to argue about MT, in my opinion, the day CCP introduced PLEX, the floodgates have been opened for MT and its up to CCP whether gold ammo is introduced or not. Cause I really don't see the difference between selling a bunch of PLEX to buy a SC and spending some AURs on gold ammo to pwn others. Its just 1 more link in the chain. Real money or ISK -> PLEX -> AUR -> Gold Ammo, versus Real money -> PLEX -> ISK -> SC.
I have heard this argument several times from pro-MT/NEX quislings. That basically we already surrendered Eve's virginity with PLEX so we might as well put her out on the street charging Aurum for NeX handjobs by the bus shelter. But I do think its the logical fallacy of one point of compromise inevitably leading to full surrender of principle and virtue.
Yes PLEX is pay to win. But its pay to win by harnessing the labour of others (and paying them) to gain your own in-game advantage (flashy ships and implant sets etc).
NEX/MT stuff is creeping MT corruption of the sandbox that threatens to extend further and further into the game like a malign cancer that removes content we should have as part of our subscriptions and delivers it in the cheap and nasty cash shop.
And this is the point that a lot of the MT supporters simply refuse to see - this "hybrid model" of subscription + MT is just insulting to the intelligence and integrity of players who have grown used to getting their Eve content in exchange for a premium rate subscription. Eve is not a cheap game to play - its subscripton is high. Nobody complained years ago when the CCP management declared that it was a premium product and premium costs so subs would remain high. But people surely have a right to complain when subs remain at the current level while other content is nickel and dimed on from the cash store.
But back to your point about PLEX. Yes, Eve years ago did lose her virginity. The Management told us they desperately needed the additional revenue stream and PLEX would serve the additional function of opening up the game to players from poorer countries without stable currency, to students, to the unemployed etc - who couldn't afford the premium subs and frankly that argument is true. That is the other side of PLEX.
Eve lost her virginity but partly through charity work.
Now you are suggesting that she start turning tricks by the hour for NeX clothes and ship skins and thats alright because we acquiesed to PLEX years ago? Sorry its not the same thing. People have standards and lines of behaviour things they will do and things they will not do. There is a limit to greed also, and how much a company will get to trade on its greed before the customers will go elsewhere.These limits we saw fully demonstrated this last summer.
On your initial point : while in principle I would agree that WiS didn't have to ALL be about the MT/NEX - in practise it was. Perhaps it was fortunate that we all got to see a glimpse into the future and see what a fully MT Eve would look like? Now we know, it looks like the NeX store.
Question we need to ask ourselves on the future of Eve is do we like that NeX store icon on our station services? How are we going to feel about it when the NeX/MT gurus who survived the 20% chop at CCP start arguing for ship skins and alliance logos by NeX? Are we going to listen to the Mittani NeXt time he tells us its just "vanity" (and doesn't matter) despite the fact that ship painting/colour schemes has been a long term promise for Eve gameplay for everyone not just credulous idiots who somehow think that MT in a subs game is something good.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Sinistra Arc
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 09:19:00 -
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Wow.
I'm poasting in a Goon-jack thread.
In all seriousness however, I wanted the initial incarnation of WiS. Never desired MT. Ever.
Nothing but a bummer to have to throw that idea out the window. Why CCP? Why?! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
741
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Posted - 2011.11.03 09:38:00 -
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Sinistra Arc wrote:Wow.
I'm poasting in a Goon-jack thread.
In all seriousness however, I wanted the initial incarnation of WiS. Never desired MT. Ever.
Nothing but a bummer to have to throw that idea out the window. Why CCP? Why?!
Blame the "industry experts" they hired that told Hilmar the players would eat up being double charged for content and would buy the $1000 jeans argument. Some people in CCP HQ were literally living in cloud cuckoo land to believe that gamers were somehow insulated from a world wracked with economic woes and financial crisis and actually cared about "defining themselves" by spending $72 on an ugly virtual monocle rather than taking their girlfriends out for a fish supper.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Sinistra Arc
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 10:31:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Sinistra Arc wrote:Wow.
I'm poasting in a Goon-jack thread.
In all seriousness however, I wanted the initial incarnation of WiS. Never desired MT. Ever.
Nothing but a bummer to have to throw that idea out the window. Why CCP? Why?! Blame the "industry experts" they hired that told Hilmar the players would eat up being double charged for content and would buy the $1000 jeans argument. Some people in CCP HQ were literally living in cloud cuckoo land to believe that gamers were somehow insulated from a world wracked with economic woes and financial crisis and actually cared about "defining themselves" by spending $72 on an ugly virtual monocle rather than taking their girlfriends out for a fish supper.
Understood.
Ironic how the new buzz is nike/hellokitty skins for ships. Go figure. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
250
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Posted - 2011.11.03 11:02:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The responses in this thread proved that beyond my expectations and no counting is required to make my case.
30+ pages of you and the other Barbie fetishists getting trolled is proof of what exactly?
I applaud your commitment to content free trollness! You do the goons proud!
But currently you are only an average troll. To move past that you need to consider branding! For example I have worked on making "asshat" a standard Eve term. I for example would call you an "asshat" not only to characterize your content free trolling but to also make the concept of me calling someone like you an "asshat" as part of the Issler brand.
There is a great Zefrank video about branding you might study to help you develop your brand!
I am sure with just a little effort you can make your insanely ugly troll face into a seriously recognized brand in Eve! Maybe calling folks space barbies could be part of your brand.
For now I will focus on my brand by calling you an "asshat" for your weak efforts at trolling!
Issler
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
71
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Posted - 2011.11.03 12:23:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Cearain wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Cearain wrote: Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.
Exactly how limited has a mind to be to think of further immersiveness and truer virtual realities only in terms of playing 'dress-up'? What is it that the man said?! "You, Sir, are so narrow minded, that if you fell on a pin it would blind you in both eyes." Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses. They are talking about dressing up computer avatars. You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded. You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. On that note however...the ship explosions themselves could really use some work...they are rather boring.
Ok if the point of "Walking in stations" was not to dress up your avatar and have it "walk in stations" then what was it?
Was it so we could play virtual store clerk?
Its fine if you want to dress up computer avatars and have them walk around looking in the mirror and at how other avatars are dressed. But most men don't want to do that. Pretending otherwise is stupid. CCP has realized that why can't you? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.11.03 12:33:00 -
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Sinistra Arc wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Sinistra Arc wrote:Wow.
I'm poasting in a Goon-jack thread.
In all seriousness however, I wanted the initial incarnation of WiS. Never desired MT. Ever.
Nothing but a bummer to have to throw that idea out the window. Why CCP? Why?! Blame the "industry experts" they hired that told Hilmar the players would eat up being double charged for content and would buy the $1000 jeans argument. Some people in CCP HQ were literally living in cloud cuckoo land to believe that gamers were somehow insulated from a world wracked with economic woes and financial crisis and actually cared about "defining themselves" by spending $72 on an ugly virtual monocle rather than taking their girlfriends out for a fish supper. Understood. Ironic how the new buzz is nike/hellokitty skins for ships. Go figure.
It had better not be. Regardless of how foolish some players are being about considering ship skins "vanity" (and hence ideal targets for the MT clowns) I have hope that CCP management has learned its lesson and will deliver ship skins/painting and logos etc by traditional methods within the sandbox and will not risk another storm of player discontent by trying to nickel and dime us on what has been long promised as game content for everyone.
If NeX sells ship skins this game will take another staggering lurch towards free-to-play oblivion as the subscriptions will again take a hit.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 12:40:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Yea, thats why I said 'suppose'. Anyway from what I can recall they were talking more about selling 'conveniences', such as standings or sec statues, rather then straight up over-powered gold ammo. Weren't they?
Then again if they wanted to sell gold ammo in the NEX, they don't need WiS platform to do it. There is no reason to load WiS just to use the NEX. So, please don't mix the 2 together. Unfortunately they are not as separate as you say, because CCP poluted WiS with the inclusion of microtransactions and this has given the pro-FiS players even more reason to despise anything involving WiS. Cash shop 'creep' has been seen in other games and with where CCP was headed with microtransactions the pro-FiS'ers were right to believe that it wouldn't be long before space aspects of the game had microtransactions attached to them. Oh come on, you're smart enough to recognize that WiS and MT are 2 seperate issues, yet you still choose to lump them up together like all the others? CCP could have launched NEX without Incarna if they wanted to and start selling ship skins. One does not need the other! So, its silly for pro-FiS'ers to believe that space aspect will have MT because of WiS. If you are talking about how WiS has been handled regarding establishments, rollout, etc, then yes it is a separate issue from MT. However the fact remains that CCP chose to remove features from what was previously shown in Ambulation for no other reason than to shoehorn them in the cash shop, so how can you view WiS and MT as separate knowing the history of Incarna. CCP themselves have linked them.
Now regarding FiS with MT, that's the problem just as you have said, people are saying it. How wide spread is the dislike for WiS based on the potential impact of MT to FiS, I guess we wont ever really know because we can only gauge what we see on the forums. There could be any number of players that do not post on the forums that have that view.
Quote:Edit - Anyway, if you want to argue about MT, in my opinion, the day CCP introduced PLEX, the floodgates have been opened for MT and its up to CCP whether gold ammo is introduced or not. Cause I really don't see the difference between selling a bunch of PLEX to buy a SC and spending some AURs on gold ammo to pwn others. Its just 1 more link in the chain. Real money or ISK -> PLEX -> AUR -> Gold Ammo, versus Real money -> PLEX -> ISK -> SC. PLEX does not circumvent the EVE economy or the players that manufacture goods, straight out cash shop purchases do. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
53
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Posted - 2011.11.03 12:51:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: It had better not be. Regardless of how foolish some players are being about considering ship skins "vanity" (and hence ideal targets for the MT clowns) I have hope that CCP management has learned its lesson and will deliver ship skins/painting and logos etc by traditional methods within the sandbox and will not risk another storm of player discontent by trying to nickel and dime us on what has been long promised as game content for everyone.
If NeX sells ship skins this game will take another staggering lurch towards free-to-play oblivion as the subscriptions will again take a hit.
I think it's a foregone conclusion skins will be sold via the NeX (or webstore directly). I highly doubt we'll get em for free, though.
And truth be told, I'd pay real money for a Hello Kitty Kestrel skin. What's life without a little fun? And honestly, I don't care. I'm paying office rent and stuff too. If they'd let me rent a nice 3D office, I'd pay extra for that too.
Don't get me wrong: I'd rather have it for free, of course (or rather, have it included as part of my monthly subscription); but I'm fair certain this is the stuff we'll have to pay extra for, though.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
744
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Posted - 2011.11.03 12:59:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: It had better not be. Regardless of how foolish some players are being about considering ship skins "vanity" (and hence ideal targets for the MT clowns) I have hope that CCP management has learned its lesson and will deliver ship skins/painting and logos etc by traditional methods within the sandbox and will not risk another storm of player discontent by trying to nickel and dime us on what has been long promised as game content for everyone.
If NeX sells ship skins this game will take another staggering lurch towards free-to-play oblivion as the subscriptions will again take a hit.
I think it's a foregone conclusion skins will be sold via the NeX (or webstore directly). I highly doubt we'll get em for free, though. And truth be told, I'd pay real money for a Hello Kitty Kestrel skin. What's life without a little fun? And honestly, I don't care. I'm paying office rent and stuff too. If they'd let me rent a nice 3D office, I'd pay extra for that too. Don't get me wrong: I'd rather have it for free, of course (or rather, have it included as part of my monthly subscription); but I'm fair certain this is the stuff we'll have to pay extra for, though.
I think it was listening to focus group feedback like this that led them to mess up Incarna with MT in the first place and led to the fiasco of last summer and massively dropping subscriptions.
Still I have to acknowledge that you do represent a player of this game who DOES want Microtransactions - I know they do exist.
But I can only hope you continue to be in the minority because speaking frankly - if this game does become infested with microtransactions and content gets artifically-tagged "vanity" just so it can be nickel and dimed in through the cheap and nasty cash shop then I for one will be done with it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
53
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:10:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:I think it was listening to focus group feedback like this that led them to mess up Incarna with MT in the first place and led to the fiasco of last summer and massively dropping subscriptions.
Still I have to acknowledge that you do represent a player of this game who DOES want Microtransactions - I know they do exist.
But I can only hope you continue to be in the minority because speaking frankly - if this game does become infested with microtransactions and content gets artifically-tagged "vanity" just so it can be nickel and dimed in through the cheap and nasty cash shop then I for one will be done with it.
Didn't say I want MT; only that it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that skins and such will be vanity items we'll have to pay extra for. So, the only question then is, will you pay for it? Personally, I haven't bought NeX clothes or anything. But they start offering ship skins, I don't see the harm in buying one or two. And why would I? It's a space game, as we're reminded of so often; so I'd be buying a spaceship skin for the spaceship game -- that's gotta be not wrong in at least a few universes. :)
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
744
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:21:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I think it was listening to focus group feedback like this that led them to mess up Incarna with MT in the first place and led to the fiasco of last summer and massively dropping subscriptions.
Still I have to acknowledge that you do represent a player of this game who DOES want Microtransactions - I know they do exist.
But I can only hope you continue to be in the minority because speaking frankly - if this game does become infested with microtransactions and content gets artifically-tagged "vanity" just so it can be nickel and dimed in through the cheap and nasty cash shop then I for one will be done with it.
Didn't say I want MT; only that it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that skins and such will be vanity items we'll have to pay extra for. So, the only question then is, will you pay for it? Personally, I haven't bought NeX clothes or anything. But they start offering ship skins, I don't see the harm in buying one or two. And why would I? It's a space game, as we're reminded of so often; so I'd be buying a spaceship skin for the spaceship game -- that's gotta be not wrong in at least a few universes. :)
Why do you conclude it is a foregone conclusion? The economics of the situation would argue otherwise - the utterly disasterous introduction of NeX clothing last summer cost CCP an awful lot more in lost subs than it gathered in MT income.The company took a significant hit from the player base protesting against its introduction that led the CEO to make a public apology. Why do you believe that CCP will go on to make the same mistake again with Ship Skins - I grant you it is possible they will :CCP: and all that, but the usual response for a person escaping a burning building is not to put their head the neighbours oven!
The harm of you directly buying skins through MT is that you are once again supporting the erosion of the eve online player market by cheating your fellow players of the content around building and providing these services in-game. At the minimum ship skins should come from the LP store that players purchase and can resell in a try and tested ingame fashion. Preferably ship painting (ie colour customization) should be a station service that is available to all.
Supporting the MT'ing of ship skins and painting is the same harm that can be pointed at NeX and avatar clothng - its a cheap and nasty intrusion of money-grubbing nickel and diming in a player led economy that has no need (EVE already has PLEX) and is positively harmed (suspension of disbelieve and erosion of the sandbox) by it.
Like I said, I don't know CCP will be stupid enough to try to NeX it up again in the near future. I guess we listen to see what Soundwave has to say at future alliance tournaments to see that.
But its a fair assumption that unless the player base can speak with a united voice on this and say no to single-server player led economy breaking microtransactions at some point some other "industry expert" inside CCP will try it on and we'll get Jita Riots 2 (if there is anybody still playing by then.).
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
71
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:37:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions.
Well some people think "walking in stations" does not equal "walking in stations"
They think "walking in stations" = "so much more than walking in stations"
As for the point of WIS. I think there were two. 1) hoping for some cash from the mt. 2) was to get the infrastructure to develop many other games. Games where you can smash computer avatars faces in.
But I find it hard to believe ccp thought men would like to dress up a computer avatar and walk it around looking at how other men dressed up their computer avatars.
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Chi Ftele
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 14:01:00 -
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Captain's quarters are good for immersion, like "hey look, I do have a body after all", but I believe there are better things to use resources on than WiS, such as more cool new ships and guns!!
I don't think there should only be single ships filling single roles, like one sniper battleship per race etc.
CCP should mix them up, find something new to add, which they are in fact doing (hello, Tornado!), but more, more, more! |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
53
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Posted - 2011.11.03 14:15:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Why do you conclude it is a foregone conclusion? The economics of the situation would argue otherwise - the utterly disasterous introduction of NeX clothing last summer cost CCP an awful lot more in lost subs than it gathered in MT income.The company took a significant hit from the player base protesting against its introduction that led the CEO to make a public apology. Why do you believe that CCP will go on to make the same mistake again with Ship Skins - I grant you it is possible they will :CCP: and all that, but the usual response for a person escaping a burning building is not to put their head the neighbours oven!
The harm of you directly buying skins through MT is that you are once again supporting the erosion of the eve online player market by cheating your fellow players of the content around building and providing these services in-game. At the minimum ship skins should come from the LP store that players purchase and can resell in a try and tested ingame fashion. Preferably ship painting (ie colour customization) should be a station service that is available to all.
Supporting the MT'ing of ship skins and painting is the same harm that can be pointed at NeX and avatar clothng - its a cheap and nasty intrusion of money-grubbing nickel and diming in a player led economy that has no need (EVE already has PLEX) and is positively harmed (suspension of disbelieve and erosion of the sandbox) by it.
Like I said, I don't know CCP will be stupid enough to try to NeX it up again in the near future. I guess we listen to see what Soundwave has to say at future alliance tournaments to see that.
But its a fair assumption that unless the player base can speak with a united voice on this and say no to single-server player led economy breaking microtransactions at some point some other "industry expert" inside CCP will try it on and we'll get Jita Riots 2 (if there is anybody still playing by then.).
You make some good points. I just don't see CCP giving up monetizing on virtual items any time soon, is all. For one, they haven't solidly bid the NeX store farewell yet. It's just sitting there, waiting to be filled with... something. I just fear we'll get either no ship skins/paint jobs, etc, or we'll have to pay extra for it. We'll see. Would be nice, though, if history proves you right.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
747
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Posted - 2011.11.03 14:25:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Why do you conclude it is a foregone conclusion? The economics of the situation would argue otherwise - the utterly disasterous introduction of NeX clothing last summer cost CCP an awful lot more in lost subs than it gathered in MT income.The company took a significant hit from the player base protesting against its introduction that led the CEO to make a public apology. Why do you believe that CCP will go on to make the same mistake again with Ship Skins - I grant you it is possible they will :CCP: and all that, but the usual response for a person escaping a burning building is not to put their head the neighbours oven!
The harm of you directly buying skins through MT is that you are once again supporting the erosion of the eve online player market by cheating your fellow players of the content around building and providing these services in-game. At the minimum ship skins should come from the LP store that players purchase and can resell in a try and tested ingame fashion. Preferably ship painting (ie colour customization) should be a station service that is available to all.
Supporting the MT'ing of ship skins and painting is the same harm that can be pointed at NeX and avatar clothng - its a cheap and nasty intrusion of money-grubbing nickel and diming in a player led economy that has no need (EVE already has PLEX) and is positively harmed (suspension of disbelieve and erosion of the sandbox) by it.
Like I said, I don't know CCP will be stupid enough to try to NeX it up again in the near future. I guess we listen to see what Soundwave has to say at future alliance tournaments to see that.
But its a fair assumption that unless the player base can speak with a united voice on this and say no to single-server player led economy breaking microtransactions at some point some other "industry expert" inside CCP will try it on and we'll get Jita Riots 2 (if there is anybody still playing by then.).
You make some good points. I just don't see CCP giving up monetizing on virtual items any time soon, is all. For one, they haven't solidly bid the NeX store farewell yet. It's just sitting there, waiting to be filled with... something. I just fear we'll get either no ship skins/paint jobs, etc, or we'll have to pay extra for it. We'll see. Would be nice, though, if history proves you right.
Well if the summer of rage 2011 teaches us anything it is that we are not the slaves of history and we don't have to sit here mutely passive when CCP are making terrible mistakes. We (the players of Eve) managed to get CCP to change direction once and return to a spaceship focus, revisting the many many abandoned aspects of this game, and thats something that makes me extremely proud as an Eve player. There is no reason to suppose we cannot do this again.
I do share your concern that they haven't altogether removed the NeX store though. As long as it remains in the client there will be there as a temptation for evil MT developers to dream of ill-gotten $ signs while tossing and turning on their $1000 sheets.
Fingers crossed the memory of the player backlash, bad press and jita riots win over the seductive poison of the MT leeches at CCP HQ!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2011.11.03 14:41:00 -
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Here is an example of someone twisting my statements around and portraying them out of context. Not to mention the entire post is off-topic. They spent a lot of time searching and grouping together single sentences from various posted replies in an attempt to discredit and portray me as the bad guy.
Omitting the core subject matter of my various posted replies made in response to statements directed towards me by other players shows how someone can manipulate and change a thread. Maybe their intention is to derail this thread and escalate a forum flame war. Usually whenever someone personally singles me out with negative replies, I'll respond likewise.
I could also search through this thread and group together all of that players negative statements in a posted reply. I could also report them as well as other posted replies and have them edited and or removed.
But that would only continue to escalate this forum flame war and help derail this thread. I have better things to do, mainly go in-game and do some FiS. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2011.11.03 14:53:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Question we need to ask ourselves on the future of Eve is do we like that NeX store icon on our station services? How are we going to feel about it when the NeX/MT gurus who survived the 20% chop at CCP start arguing for ship skins and alliance logos by NeX? Are we going to listen to the Mittani NeXt time he tells us its just "vanity" (and doesn't matter) despite the fact that ship painting/colour schemes has been a long term promise for Eve gameplay for everyone not just credulous idiots who somehow think that MT in a subs game is something good. Speaking of the CSM and the NEX Store. It's interesting when you look back at the CSM6 talking about modular POS. I wonder if it has dawned on them that CCP could very well class a modular POS as a 'vanity item'.
Just think about that for a minute. CCP could make them where all the different modules could be fitted together perhaps in various ways to make something unique giving players some creative licencse with it's overall look, but the way the POS actually functions overall doesn't change from what we have now. So it's not gamebreaking, it's only vanity right. Do the CSM not realise to what extent this only 'vanity item' crap could be taken?
It may be on the extreme end of potential vanity items, but where does the line get drawn.
On a side note, going back and reading the CSM6 minutes from May I can only /facepalm at some of the comments from CCP Apollo and Zinfandel.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
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Posted - 2011.11.03 16:21:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Yea, thats why I said 'suppose'. Anyway from what I can recall they were talking more about selling 'conveniences', such as standings or sec statues, rather then straight up over-powered gold ammo. Weren't they?
Then again if they wanted to sell gold ammo in the NEX, they don't need WiS platform to do it. There is no reason to load WiS just to use the NEX. So, please don't mix the 2 together. But I do think its the logical fallacy of one point of compromise inevitably leading to full surrender of principle and virtue. Yes PLEX is pay to win. But its pay to win by harnessing the labour of other PLAYERS (and paying them) to gain your own in-game advantage (flashy ships and implant sets etc). In essence PLEX is YOU paying another player somewhere else in the world $15 to mine you 350-400m isk. The stuff you buy with that isk also comes from other PLAYERS.
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:PLEX does not circumvent the EVE economy or the players that manufacture goods, straight out cash shop purchases do. Yea about the cutting out labor the economy part. I've given it some thought before, now what if gold ammo was sold in the form of BPCs?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating MT, actually I don't really care about MT if it is vanity only. I'm interested in WiS.
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:If you are talking about how WiS has been handled regarding establishments, rollout, etc, then yes it is a separate issue from MT. However the fact remains that CCP chose to remove features from what was previously shown in Ambulation for no other reason than to shoehorn them in the cash shop, so how can you view WiS and MT as separate knowing the history of Incarna. CCP themselves have linked them. I believe what you saw in trailer regarding Ambulation was build on a completely different engine, and that was all trashed, in favor of Carbon. So, no I won't go so far as to say features were not cut out in favor of MT, but rather Incarna was incomplete at launch, god they only had 1 CQ out of 4 races, how pathetic was that? |
Metis Laxon
Zero Point Group
13
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Posted - 2011.11.03 17:27:00 -
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Ayumi Hinoki wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Oswald Patsee wrote:EVE is about flying in space. Anything else is a different game that just screws up EVE and flying in space. This guy knows what's up. Sure, trading, industry, exploration, planetary interaction and other fields of EVE Online just ruin the game. Have you noticed that there are more skill groups than Gunnery, Spaceship Command or Missile Launcher Operation? Even if you don't use them, they exist and are the primary source of income and gameplay style for a lot of players. Take a look at this, this, this, and also this if you have time, because EVE is not just about flying in space. Is a lot more than that.
Just to give this some visibility again. |
Metis Laxon
Zero Point Group
13
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Posted - 2011.11.03 17:36:00 -
[925] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:If you are talking about how WiS has been handled regarding establishments, rollout, etc, then yes it is a separate issue from MT. However the fact remains that CCP chose to remove features from what was previously shown in Ambulation for no other reason than to shoehorn them in the cash shop, so how can you view WiS and MT as separate knowing the history of Incarna. CCP themselves have linked them.
Actually nobody has the full story on why the content shown in 2009 has been scrapped entirely. None of the assets have been re-used. Making your point rather far fetching. |
Titas Agor
TITANS OF PEACE
18
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Posted - 2011.11.03 18:23:00 -
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I still wanted WiS but the way its been implemented is so bad, its beyond a joke its become now, 2 things made it very bad, 1st was the introduction to a 2nd currency in the first place, WTH were they thinking of? there is no room and absolutely no need for a 2nd currency in the game, its just absolutely ludicrous to even fatherm how the hell they came up with that idea. 2nd was to release a project that was half ass done, you dont release something stupid like ONE CAPTAINS QUATER! when theres 4, and then expect it to be okay as one of the main features in a different expansion when its supposed be part of another expasion. If they weren't finished, then they weren't finished, dont release it. simple as that.
The prices are beyond stupid as it is, i mean can you imagine just how much of AUR you are going to need to rent a bar for example when they finally do get round to doing the REST of WiS? especially when you consider just how much 1 item of clothing costs? talk about a major fk up and the fact that you cant even design your own clothes which was an idea put forward years ago, using the in game comodities you get from usless loot from missions like silk, now WE have to pay up the ass to pay for someone ELSE at CCP to design them for us at a rate thats so dire, its not even worth doing at all. Seriously!! new clothes take this fking long to appear in the store? REALLY? its not that complicated when you have hte templates already in place |
Metis Laxon
Zero Point Group
13
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Posted - 2011.11.03 18:35:00 -
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Lateris wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:The often childish resistence against WiS makes me think of the history of motion pictures. Right after the 'silent era' (1894-1929) silent films were replaced by 'talking pictures' in the late 1920s. Many folks -- with a very limited imagination, only accepting of what they had -- couldn't handle the extra dimension added, and started ridiculing 'talkies,' typically by making mock-movies with funnily-montaged chirping sounds (the voice audio tracks of talking movies were still of very low quality at the time; hence the chirping), arguing 'voice' added no real content, and only brought down the aesthetic quality of cinema. Their immense shortsightedness, seen from today, speaks for itself.
My point? Don't be that stupid person ridiculing the extra dimension WiS offers. I know you love your FiS, and that you think that saying 'space barbie' a lot makes you look cool, and that you think you represent the 'real' EVE-er. Well, those who ridiculed 'talkies' went the way of the dinosaur, and now look dumb beyond measure. Instead, try and wrap your brain around the notion that WiS could add an entire new immersive dimension to EVE, akin to what adding voice did for movies; and that history will make it so that you'll inevitably be on the losing side of this argument, decisively.
Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be." I couldn't agree more. Don't kill creativity. And we all agree the micro transactions are rubbish.
Once again, couldn't agree more there. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
749
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Posted - 2011.11.03 20:00:00 -
[928] - Quote
Metis Laxon wrote:Lateris wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:The often childish resistence against WiS makes me think of the history of motion pictures. Right after the 'silent era' (1894-1929) silent films were replaced by 'talking pictures' in the late 1920s. Many folks -- with a very limited imagination, only accepting of what they had -- couldn't handle the extra dimension added, and started ridiculing 'talkies,' typically by making mock-movies with funnily-montaged chirping sounds (the voice audio tracks of talking movies were still of very low quality at the time; hence the chirping), arguing 'voice' added no real content, and only brought down the aesthetic quality of cinema. Their immense shortsightedness, seen from today, speaks for itself.
My point? Don't be that stupid person ridiculing the extra dimension WiS offers. I know you love your FiS, and that you think that saying 'space barbie' a lot makes you look cool, and that you think you represent the 'real' EVE-er. Well, those who ridiculed 'talkies' went the way of the dinosaur, and now look dumb beyond measure. Instead, try and wrap your brain around the notion that WiS could add an entire new immersive dimension to EVE, akin to what adding voice did for movies; and that history will make it so that you'll inevitably be on the losing side of this argument, decisively.
Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be." I couldn't agree more. Don't kill creativity. And we all agree the micro transactions are rubbish. Once again, couldn't agree more there.
Whereas (and sticking with the period theme) those people that still believe Incarna was actually going to have some real content beyond the NeX store are quite similar in outlook to those of the early movie period who often were persuaded to buy shares in the The Brooklyn Bridge.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Sakura Imoru
Talon Squadron
2
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Posted - 2011.11.03 22:17:00 -
[929] - Quote
I'm just going to leave this here, since I consider this one the main thread on this issue
Sakura Imoru wrote:OK, I had enough of this BS, it's time to pull that rotten tooth out of your mouths (like we Germans use to say): CCP Hilmar wrote:Incarna
For the same reasons, IncarnaGÇöthe real one with actual meaningful gameplay in itGÇö will be a big step towards the future. For an experience that relies so much on emergence and human interaction, itGÇÖs remarkable that itGÇÖs taken us this long to actually put a face on it. Once Incarna hits its stride, EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences. Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game. We were behind the curve and it needs to be addressed for the sake of EVEGÇÖs longevity. We have the technology. Now we need time to add the content that will bring more meaning to the gameplayGÇöagain, without disrupting the space combat simulator that many of you are, or at least were, very much in love withGÇöand without delaying crucial improvements that this core experience desperately needs. Time to face it, guys, WiS / Incarna / Space Barbies or whatever you want to call it is coming... and it's going to STAY
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Hustler Funk
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 23:31:00 -
[930] - Quote
Sakura Imoru wrote:OK, I had enough of this BS, it's time to pull that rotten tooth out of your mouths (like we Germans use to say):
I love German sensibilities.
And quoting for truth...
Metis Laxon wrote:Sure, trading, industry, exploration, planetary interaction and other fields of EVE Online just ruin the game.
Have you noticed that there are more skill groups than Gunnery, Spaceship Command or Missile Launcher Operation? Even if you don't use them, they exist and are the primary source of income and gameplay style for a lot of players...because EVE is not just about flying in space. Is a lot more than that. |
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Esiel
Renegade Serenity The Cool Kids Club
10
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Posted - 2011.11.04 08:32:00 -
[931] - Quote
I support WiS but I have a bad feeling it is going the way of the dead horse where good ideas are unfullfilled because CCP worries to much about keeping EVE dark and damp instead of inspiring and exciting. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
658
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Posted - 2011.11.04 09:12:00 -
[932] - Quote
Esiel wrote:CCP worries to much about keeping EVE dark and damp Is that why I sometimes get that not-so-fresh feeling after playing Eve?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
16
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Posted - 2011.11.04 09:14:00 -
[933] - Quote
No we don't. |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
22
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Posted - 2011.11.04 09:20:00 -
[934] - Quote
No we don't indeed.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:27:00 -
[935] - Quote
Esiel wrote:I support WiS but I have a bad feeling it is going the way of the dead horse where good ideas are unfullfilled because CCP worries to much about keeping EVE dark and damp instead of inspiring and exciting.
so i really don't understand the outrage of the wis-lovers why are they special this happens erryday you guys just need to wait a few years stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
258
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Posted - 2011.11.04 21:59:00 -
[936] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Esiel wrote:I support WiS but I have a bad feeling it is going the way of the dead horse where good ideas are unfullfilled because CCP worries to much about keeping EVE dark and damp instead of inspiring and exciting. so i really don't understand the outrage of the wis-lovers why are they special this happens erryday you guys just need to wait a few years
We've been waiting for 5 years depending on how you count them and this is the first major feature that CCP has ever stated they are backing away from and "putting on ice indefinitely".
They claim they are doing this for at least two reasons.
1. No one really wanted WiS. This is clearly a lie.
2. They can't see any way to make it "compelling". Also a lie, there are hundreds of suggestions on the table that would be most welcome be a non-trivial portion of Eve.
So this is worse than most neglected features in Eve where CCP just quietly stops working on them, this one is being tossed out the dirgible. So why would I have any confidence it will ever get back in plan?
Issler |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
61
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:25:00 -
[937] - Quote
Seeing how Winter 2011 is gonna be packed with FiS stuff, and assuming they get all that stuff to work straight in a reasonable amount of updates, it woulnd't be far-fetched to suggest to handle other sutff by Sumemr 2012. Not exactly Incarna in any beefed up version, but Winter 2011 is not the be-all and end-all for many players (name casuals, name soloers) and with as much shiny it provides, it actually leaves the aforementioned players orphan of additional gameplay.
There is potential of iteration of existing non-Fis features, like adding more hairdos (even RATIAL hairdos, for god's ake!) or additional layers of clothing (some people said "hats", why not? Hats, helmets, berets...) or plain release the Nex stuff from the market tab, and take the chance and turn it into micro-transactions so we poor humble mission runners can afford to buy some clothes each month rather than grind for months for each piece of dress.
You know, stuff other than nullsec fixes, like new missions (are them in the books?), the PvP agents i suggested elswhere or many other ideas that could require precious dev time.
And, of course, work towards Real Incarna (Winter 2012?)
Everybody got a hungry heart, and some of us are hungry for stuff CCP is not cooking. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no casual content... no solo content... no PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
130
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:42:00 -
[938] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Seeing how Winter 2011 is gonna be packed with FiS stuff, and assuming they get all that stuff to work straight in a reasonable amount of updates, it woulnd't be far-fetched to suggest to handle other sutff by Sumemr 2012. Not exactly Incarna in any beefed up version, but Winter 2011 is not the be-all and end-all for many players (name casuals, name soloers) and with as much shiny it provides, it actually leaves the aforementioned players orphan of additional gameplay.
There is potential of iteration of existing non-Fis features, like adding more hairdos (even RATIAL hairdos, for god's ake!) or additional layers of clothing (some people said "hats", why not? Hats, helmets, berets...) or plain release the Nex stuff from the market tab, and take the chance and turn it into micro-transactions so we poor humble mission runners can afford to buy some clothes each month rather than grind for months for each piece of dress.
You know, stuff other than nullsec fixes, like new missions (are them in the books?), the PvP agents i suggested elswhere or many other ideas that could require precious dev time.
And, of course, work towards Real Incarna (Winter 2012?)
Everybody got a hungry heart, and some of us are hungry for stuff CCP is not cooking.
Simple corp meeting room or inviting a limited number of people to your CQ would suffice for many WiS players. The hamster cage is somewhat terrifying.
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Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
32
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:47:00 -
[939] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:....
We've been waiting for 5 years depending on how you count them and this is the first major feature that CCP has ever stated they are backing away from and "putting on ice indefinitely".
They claim they are doing this for at least two reasons.
1. No one really wanted WiS. This is clearly a lie.
2. They can't see any way to make it "compelling". Also a lie, there are hundreds of suggestions on the table that would be most welcome be a non-trivial portion of Eve.
So this is worse than most neglected features in Eve where CCP just quietly stops working on them, this one is being tossed out the dirgible. So why would I have any confidence it will ever get back in plan?
Issler Issler, dearest, you need to lift the needle off that stuck record. If you feel so strongly about spacebarbies, then run for the next CSM on that platform. If you get in, you'll know that ken and barbie are indeed a valuable part of an internet spaceship game. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
130
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:50:00 -
[940] - Quote
Bomberlocks wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:....
We've been waiting for 5 years depending on how you count them and this is the first major feature that CCP has ever stated they are backing away from and "putting on ice indefinitely".
They claim they are doing this for at least two reasons.
1. No one really wanted WiS. This is clearly a lie.
2. They can't see any way to make it "compelling". Also a lie, there are hundreds of suggestions on the table that would be most welcome be a non-trivial portion of Eve.
So this is worse than most neglected features in Eve where CCP just quietly stops working on them, this one is being tossed out the dirgible. So why would I have any confidence it will ever get back in plan?
Issler Issler, dearest, you need to lift the needle off that stuck record. If you feel so strongly about spacebarbies, then run for the next CSM on that platform. If you get in, you'll know that ken and barbie are indeed a valuable part of an internet spaceship game.
You were so missed at the Bob Marley look-alike... It is that way ---> |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
674
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:50:00 -
[941] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:There is potential of iteration of existing non-Fis features, like adding more hairdos (even RATIAL hairdos, for god's ake!) or additional layers of clothing (some people said "hats", why not? Hats, helmets, berets...) or plain release the Nex stuff from the market tab, and take the chance and turn it into micro-transactions so we poor humble mission runners can afford to buy some clothes each month rather than grind for months for each piece of dress. This is such a horrible troll.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
130
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:53:00 -
[942] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:There is potential of iteration of existing non-Fis features, like adding more hairdos (even RATIAL hairdos, for god's ake!) or additional layers of clothing (some people said "hats", why not? Hats, helmets, berets...) or plain release the Nex stuff from the market tab, and take the chance and turn it into micro-transactions so we poor humble mission runners can afford to buy some clothes each month rather than grind for months for each piece of dress. This is such a horrible troll.
Well, I don't care about dresses either, if they are not player-made. I care about social interaction options. So for once - on this part you cut out - I agree. Out of shame agreeing with a Goon I go to bed now. |
T-Jay Charante
The Scope Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:58:00 -
[943] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:Bomberlocks wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:....
We've been waiting for 5 years depending on how you count them and this is the first major feature that CCP has ever stated they are backing away from and "putting on ice indefinitely".
They claim they are doing this for at least two reasons.
1. No one really wanted WiS. This is clearly a lie.
2. They can't see any way to make it "compelling". Also a lie, there are hundreds of suggestions on the table that would be most welcome be a non-trivial portion of Eve.
So this is worse than most neglected features in Eve where CCP just quietly stops working on them, this one is being tossed out the dirgible. So why would I have any confidence it will ever get back in plan?
Issler Issler, dearest, you need to lift the needle off that stuck record. If you feel so strongly about spacebarbies, then run for the next CSM on that platform. If you get in, you'll know that ken and barbie are indeed a valuable part of an internet spaceship game. You were so missed at the Bob Marley look-alike... It is that way --->
Barbie would be proud, he coordinated the colour of his glasses with his hair.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2011.11.05 02:28:00 -
[944] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Metis Laxon wrote:Lateris wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:The often childish resistence against WiS makes me think of the history of motion pictures. Right after the 'silent era' (1894-1929) silent films were replaced by 'talking pictures' in the late 1920s. Many folks -- with a very limited imagination, only accepting of what they had -- couldn't handle the extra dimension added, and started ridiculing 'talkies,' typically by making mock-movies with funnily-montaged chirping sounds (the voice audio tracks of talking movies were still of very low quality at the time; hence the chirping), arguing 'voice' added no real content, and only brought down the aesthetic quality of cinema. Their immense shortsightedness, seen from today, speaks for itself.
My point? Don't be that stupid person ridiculing the extra dimension WiS offers. I know you love your FiS, and that you think that saying 'space barbie' a lot makes you look cool, and that you think you represent the 'real' EVE-er. Well, those who ridiculed 'talkies' went the way of the dinosaur, and now look dumb beyond measure. Instead, try and wrap your brain around the notion that WiS could add an entire new immersive dimension to EVE, akin to what adding voice did for movies; and that history will make it so that you'll inevitably be on the losing side of this argument, decisively.
Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be." I couldn't agree more. Don't kill creativity. And we all agree the micro transactions are rubbish. Once again, couldn't agree more there. Whereas (and sticking with the period theme) those people that still believe Incarna was actually going to have some real content beyond the NeX store are quite similar in outlook to those of the early movie period who often were persuaded to buy shares in the The Brooklyn Bridge.
Quoted for truth
5 accounts and all the alts do not make a majority of EVE. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
32
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Posted - 2011.11.05 02:54:00 -
[945] - Quote
T-Jay Charante wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Bomberlocks wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:....
We've been waiting for 5 years depending on how you count them and this is the first major feature that CCP has ever stated they are backing away from and "putting on ice indefinitely".
They claim they are doing this for at least two reasons.
1. No one really wanted WiS. This is clearly a lie.
2. They can't see any way to make it "compelling". Also a lie, there are hundreds of suggestions on the table that would be most welcome be a non-trivial portion of Eve.
So this is worse than most neglected features in Eve where CCP just quietly stops working on them, this one is being tossed out the dirgible. So why would I have any confidence it will ever get back in plan?
Issler Issler, dearest, you need to lift the needle off that stuck record. If you feel so strongly about spacebarbies, then run for the next CSM on that platform. If you get in, you'll know that ken and barbie are indeed a valuable part of an internet spaceship game. You were so missed at the Bob Marley look-alike... It is that way ---> Barbie would be proud, he coordinated the colour of his glasses with his hair. And you and the genius you quoted wonder why no one takes the spacebarbie crowd seriously. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
26
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:09:00 -
[946] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:5 accounts and all the alts do not make a majority of EVE. QFT, but of course I use your own argument against you. Even a goon can tell that 5x3=15 and thus your theory does not compute as the op alone has 109 likes at this time of writing. Please do not make me dig up that post with the approximate like/dislike WiS proportion. Based on that count, the WiS above FiS portion of the ones that visit this thread are greater than than the No-WiS crowd. And that does not even include the WiS+ FiS crowd.
Seriously, this argument is getting old. For the love of EVE, come with something better than this 5 account + alts rubbish if you wish to convince neutrals/WiS lovers. You're not helping your side of the argument right now. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
273
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Posted - 2011.11.05 06:17:00 -
[947] - Quote
As an old bitter-vet at this point - WiS where we could interact with other players in avatar form would have been good for the RP/Immersion crowd (who tend to be rather loyal customers). It would give you something *else* to do on the days where you don't feel like undocking and going to blow stuff up between tending to industry jobs and market trading.
Instead we got: - 18 months of near-zero improvements to FiS because 95% of the employees were working on WiS - Racial CQs the size of small box and about as interesting as living inside said box - Zero-interaction with other player's avatars - The inability to get out and roam around the stations - No gaming / gambling / drinking / social establishments - A handful of clothes designs, not enough variety, and extremely overpriced - Things that could not be manufactured by players (they should have been BPCs)
Ultimately, I still think WiS will be good for EVE, but not at the expense of stopping FiS development in its tracks. Which is what happened over the past 2 years, and part of why the players revolted over the summer. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
71
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Posted - 2011.11.05 12:30:00 -
[948] - Quote
Metis Laxon wrote:Ayumi Hinoki wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Oswald Patsee wrote:EVE is about flying in space. Anything else is a different game that just screws up EVE and flying in space. This guy knows what's up. Sure, trading, industry, exploration, planetary interaction and other fields of EVE Online just ruin the game. Have you noticed that there are more skill groups than Gunnery, Spaceship Command or Missile Launcher Operation? Even if you don't use them, they exist and are the primary source of income and gameplay style for a lot of players. Take a look at this, this, this, and also this if you have time, because EVE is not just about flying in space. Is a lot more than that. I couldn't agree more here.
I am surprised you don't realize all of these activities are completely dependant on flying in space.
Industry: What are you making? Your making ships, modules for ships and places you can repair and fit those ships. If people could only look at those ships from their cq walkway and never actually "fly them in space" there would be *no industry.* Are you making monocles and skirts? No that is reserved for the nex store and mt.
Trade: trading is the same. Yes you an trade monocles but mt is going to make it so you never wll have the depth of economic forces for the items intended to be used in a ship in space.
Planetory interaction: Again none of this would have a market if ships didn't fly in space.
exploration: is flying in space.
The thing is incarna is doomed for 2 reasons:
1) MT will always plague it 2) No combat.
Its all vanity. Its all dress up. If you like dress up thats ok but stop trying to claim incarna is something else. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Mekela
Vinyl Roid
33
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Posted - 2011.11.06 00:09:00 -
[949] - Quote
WiS was not supposed to be MT it was supposed to bring a persona to the game. It was to make the game personal, at some point there were going to have some type of FPS. It was also going to bring some very fun activities to the game.
- Gambling (people were talking about having poker rooms, + other inventive mini games you could gamble your isk away on),
- mission creation (at one point they were talking about you being able to set your bartender to be able to give missions that you create),
- Crafting (originally the clothing was going to be crafted and created by the players and sold at establishments.).
- ect..
It was supposed to eventually bring the "Full Science Fiction Simulation to life". And then CCP got greedy, and not just a little greedy, very greedy. They scrapped all kinds of things so they could jump into the Micro Transition game and screw the promises and ideals they had for EVE and dumped this crap on us.
So when Incarna hit and the players were pissed the **** hit the fan. For the first time people left, and all they could see was that it happened when Incarna was released. Fear and panic set in, (Its not like we are in economic times when you can survive with a bad rap on you) so they immediately stopped what they were doing. (This is a good thing; they needed to re-evaluate WTF they were thinking). However I do believe they are still in panic mode and the FiS only crowd is giving them bad advice.
What advice do they need. - Go back to your core. (The core isn't FiS btw) The true core of what EVE was is Player controlled sci fi sandbox. They wanted the players to be able to control just about everything. They have always tried to get NPC seeded items out. The NEX is the antithesis of the core they had built this game on. They were GREEDY and in doing so destroyed their core.
Removing WiS is not fixing the problem it is actually backtracking and keeping you away from what your core creation was meant to be. CCP need to remember that when they were doing things to try to fulfill the core idea people came, and you got money. When you started doing things to get money that is when everything went sideways. I hope CCP remembers what they were doing originally and why. If they remember and go back to doing things to fulfill the core (This includes WiS) then EVE will be fine if they don't EVE is not going to make it and will fall.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
268
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:52:00 -
[950] - Quote
Scrapyard Bob wrote:As an old bitter-vet at this point - WiS where we could interact with other players in avatar form would have been good for the RP/Immersion crowd (who tend to be rather loyal customers). It would give you something *else* to do on the days where you don't feel like undocking and going to blow stuff up between tending to industry jobs and market trading.
Instead we got: - 18 months of near-zero improvements to FiS because 95% of the employees were working on WiS - Racial CQs the size of small box and about as interesting as living inside said box - Zero-interaction with other player's avatars - The inability to get out and roam around the stations - No gaming / gambling / drinking / social establishments - A handful of clothes designs, not enough variety, and extremely overpriced - Things that could not be manufactured by players (they should have been BPCs)
Ultimately, I still think WiS will be good for EVE, but not at the expense of stopping FiS development in its tracks. Which is what happened over the past 2 years, and part of why the players revolted over the summer.
it wasn't 95% of CCP working on WiS, it was 95% of CCP working on other non-eve projects.
Issler |
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
66
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Posted - 2011.11.06 02:12:00 -
[951] - Quote
I really truly hope CCP doesn't **** up the pricing a second time when they release all the new NeX items currently on SiSi. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2011.11.06 03:30:00 -
[952] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:I really truly hope CCP doesn't **** up the pricing a second time when they release all the new NeX items currently on SiSi. No let's see if CCP continue to erode the sandbox by further pushing the NEX Store rather than incorporating those items into something that actually adds to the sandbox that is EVE.
CCP management got suckered by the 'get rich quick' microtransaction marketing hype. Hilmar, if you get an email saying you'll be rich if you invest in a Nigerian based company, ... DON"T GIVE THEM YOUR BANK ACCOUNT DETAILS ... just feel I need to let you know because you seem like a sucker when it comes to marketing bs. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Naari Talvanis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.06 04:06:00 -
[953] - Quote
Scrapyard Bob wrote:As an old bitter-vet at this point - WiS where we could interact with other players in avatar form would have been good for the RP/Immersion crowd (who tend to be rather loyal customers). It would give you something *else* to do on the days where you don't feel like undocking and going to blow stuff up between tending to industry jobs and market trading.
Instead we got: - 18 months of near-zero improvements to FiS because 95% of the employees were working on WiS - Racial CQs the size of small box and about as interesting as living inside said box - Zero-interaction with other player's avatars - The inability to get out and roam around the stations - No gaming / gambling / drinking / social establishments - A handful of clothes designs, not enough variety, and extremely overpriced - Things that could not be manufactured by players (they should have been BPCs)
Ultimately, I still think WiS will be good for EVE, but not at the expense of stopping FiS development in its tracks. Which is what happened over the past 2 years, and part of why the players revolted over the summer.
This. Now let's hope they give FiS some much needed love, and then complete what they intended to do with Incarna. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
58
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Posted - 2011.11.06 04:23:00 -
[954] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote: CCP management got suckered by the 'get rich quick' microtransaction marketing hype. Hilmar, if you get an email saying you'll be rich if you invest in a Nigerian based company, ... DON"T GIVE THEM YOUR BANK ACCOUNT DETAILS ... just feel I need to let you know because you seem like a sucker when it comes to marketing bs.
Your (deserved) sarcasm notwithstanding, you got a valid point. It has always bewildered me that some marketing gurus convinced Hilmar that people would buy $1,000 virtual pants, or that some demographic showed him Koreans are willing to accept a limited form of p2w. The latter may well be true, but someone should have pointed out the obvious: we're not all Koreans. From what I know of Korean society, it's pretty cut-throat, business-wise, and people are willing to do a lot more to get ahead of the other than over here. Not saying the rest of the world ain't cut-throat in its own right, but it should have been pretty clear that you can't simply translate a single Asian country's mentality 1 on 1 to gaming morale in the rest of the world.
In that regard, I think there are enough people at CCP with common sense -- just very few willing, or in the position, to tell their CEO. Which probably holds true for all major companies.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
58
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Posted - 2011.11.06 04:28:00 -
[955] - Quote
In other news: the other 3 Captain's Quarters are on Singularity now! Check it out!
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2011.11.06 05:20:00 -
[956] - Quote
Mekela wrote:It was supposed to eventually bring the "Full Science Fiction Simulation to life". m bad advice. What advice do they need. - Go back to your core. (The core isn't FiS btw)
Pretty much this.
The biggest misconception I've seen by hardline FiS is that: a) EVE = FiS b) Incarna = WiS
WRONG
EVE has always been envisioned (see CCP's "future vision") as a sci-fi universe simulator. Perhaps it started life as FiS, but every component added afterwards forms the cohesive whole: FiS depends on the markets which depend on industry, which depends on mining and PI, and so forth and vice versa, and now the time has come when WiS is part of that whole. We've been waiting nearly 4 years for this, and any longer will put people off the game as it will appear in a stagnant state.
Like Albert the little 4-year old afraid of rats, CCP got a shock when they attempted a BAD version of WiS. Not only the shock, but now the hardcore FiS stand in real danger of reinforcing the wrong message to CCP: that FiS should come at the expense of all. This message only serves the FiS crowd and puts CCP in real danger of losing the rest of the playerbase and the majority of new & potential players who thrive on new content. The real message we need to send them is that, yes we need WiS, but as a general rule: don't let it be propelled by greed and don't make crap.
The take-away message here is: a) EVE != FiS. EVE = FiS + WiS + PI + S&I + Market + Mining + .... + = complete sci-fi sandbox
b) Incarna != WiS Incarna = greed + shoddy work + poor feedback WiS = the next missing part of the EVE universe, with integral and meaningful gameplay |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
14
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Posted - 2011.11.06 05:23:00 -
[957] - Quote
WIS should be a 3D version of Space Station 13 where we play generic corporate clones on a doomed research station. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
31
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Posted - 2011.11.06 05:47:00 -
[958] - Quote
The thing is CCP will never drop the micro transaction idea, what ever WiS was or should have been is dead and gone, forever replaced by a platform for the item shop. Do not try to claim otherwise, have CCP changed the NeX store prices? This whole FiS focus is a sham, they are attempting to mollify the angry and disgruntled players by making some changes they should have made months/years ago.
CCP still want to go down the MT route, at least for Incarna. Personally I think anyone desperate for WiS now is crazy, you are just dropping your trousers and bending over and begging for some "Goosh goosh"
Incarna the way it was presented to us back in 2008 would have been interesting, player run shops selling player manufactured items would have added a new layer to the economy, socialising would have been interesting for some people to and though some people still hated the concept there wasnt so many WiS haters and they where not so vocal. But thats all gone now, no player made items its all NeX, no stores because there is nothing to sell and the socialising will be fail to, unless people really like going into a Michelin star resturant wearing a dollar store outfit. Lacking the best will mean people being mocked as space scrubs (haha you have the free clothes!), and while that doesnt matter to most sensible people it will matter to the kind of person whose highlight of their evening is to login to their spaceship game, wearing their space pants to play a game of space poker with their space friends. Needing the trendy "gear" is a big motivator for some MMO players.
You WiS whiners must be really desperate for CCP to rifle through your wallets. |
Alpheias
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Nypheas Azurai wrote:
EVE has always been envisioned (see CCP's "future vision") as a sci-fi universe simulator.
I believe you should look up 'envision' in the dictionary, it does not mean what you think it means.
I, for one, am glad that the future of EVE is not the same as in "future vision". It is Flying in Space.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Flamespar
Woof Club
93
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Posted - 2011.11.06 06:44:00 -
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Do you reckon there is any value is CCP asking the player base what they would like to see in Incarna?
Dunno if this has already been done. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Mekela
Vinyl Roid
37
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Posted - 2011.11.06 06:44:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Nypheas Azurai wrote:
EVE has always been envisioned (see CCP's "future vision") as a sci-fi universe simulator.
I believe you should look up 'envision' in the dictionary, it does not mean what you think it means. I, for one, am glad that the future of EVE is not the same as in "future vision". It is Flying in Space.
envision (+¬n-êv+¬-Æ+Ön) GÇövb (tr) to conceive of as a possibility, esp in the future; foresee
en-+vi-+sion GÇé[en-vizh-uhn] Show IPA verb (used with object) to picture mentally, especially some future event or events: to envision a bright future.
Not quite sure why you think he got it wrong? For as long as I have played EVE (2006) it has envisioned (foresee's, pictured mentally) a future of being a total sci fi simulation.
Once again we see the stubborness of FiS only people. I really do like EVE online but if CCP goes with your idea of what EVE is then the version of EVE I was sold upon and the game I play and its potential of what it could have become has died and all that is left a husk of what it was. |
Alpheias
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Posted - 2011.11.06 07:06:00 -
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Mekela wrote:Alpheias wrote:Nypheas Azurai wrote:
EVE has always been envisioned (see CCP's "future vision") as a sci-fi universe simulator.
I believe you should look up 'envision' in the dictionary, it does not mean what you think it means. I, for one, am glad that the future of EVE is not the same as in "future vision". It is Flying in Space. envision (?n'v???n) GÇövb (tr) to conceive of as a possibility, esp in the future; foresee en-+vi-+sion [en-vizh-uhn] Show IPA verb (used with object) to picture mentally, especially some future event or events: to envision a bright future. Not quite sure why you think he got it wrong? For as long as I have played EVE (2006) it has envisioned (foresee's, pictured mentally) a future of being a total sci fi simulation. Once again we see the stubborness of FiS only people. I really do like EVE online but if CCP goes with your idea of what EVE is then the version of EVE I was sold upon and the game I play and its potential of what it could have become has died and all that is left a husk of what it was.
Because a possible future is one of many outcomes for the future? Hint: WiS is not one of them.
When you say it, I would like to know what you refer to? As for myself, I heard about this mysterious sci-fi MMO from Iceland around 2001-2002 in PC Gamer that seemed to have more in common with David Braben's Elite than the undisputed king of sci-fi MMO at the time, Anarchy Online and I liked what I read so much that I started playing EVE May 2003. For me it is about space.
Nothing else.
Fair enough. Contract me your stuff and don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Flamespar
Woof Club
93
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Posted - 2011.11.06 08:26:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: Because a possible future is one of many outcomes for the future? Hint: WiS is not one of them.
When you say it, I would like to know what you refer to? As for myself, I heard about this mysterious sci-fi MMO from Iceland around 2001-2002 in PC Gamer that seemed to have more in common with David Braben's Elite than the undisputed king of sci-fi MMO at the time, Anarchy Online and I liked what I read so much that I started playing EVE May 2003. For me it is about space.
Nothing else.
Fair enough. Contract me your stuff and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Wow. You actually think EVE is all about satisfying you.
Can I recommend that you go play second life instead? That was you can indulge your fantasy by creating a world that caters only to your particular interests.
They have flying *****' generators that you can use to indulge your FiS fantasies. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
58
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Posted - 2011.11.06 08:40:00 -
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Mekela wrote: en-+vi-+sion [en-vizh-uhn] Show IPA verb (used with object) to picture mentally, especially some future event or events: to envision a bright future.
Not quite sure why you think he got it wrong? For as long as I have played EVE (2006) it has envisioned (foresee's, pictured mentally) a future of being a total sci fi simulation.
'It' (EVE) cannot envision; it's not a person who can form a mental image of things to come. You can envision some future for EVE, though.
Alpheias wrote: Fair enough. Contract me your stuff and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
You're getting a little ahead of yourself. Us WiS-lovers are still trying to get that door to open on the way in.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
10
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Posted - 2011.11.06 09:02:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Because a possible future is one of many outcomes for the future? Hint: WiS is not one of them.
When you say it, I would like to know what you refer to? As for myself, I heard about this mysterious sci-fi MMO from Iceland around 2001-2002 in PC Gamer that seemed to have more in common with David Braben's Elite than the undisputed king of sci-fi MMO at the time, Anarchy Online and I liked what I read so much that I started playing EVE May 2003. For me it is about space.
Nothing else.
Fair enough. Contract me your stuff and don't let the door hit you on the way out. For you the game may be about space. For others it's about many other things including markets, science, industry, exploration, planetary interaction, etc.
Your particular brand of narrow-mindedness is fairly embarrassing... mostly for yourself, and of course not even factual. Your opinion is yours, but the argument that WiS is not in the future of EVE or envisioned in it, is flatly incorrect. CCP has taken every opportunity - in the wrost with Incarna, in the envisioned with "A Future Vision", and in the best with the 2008 E3 demo - to communicate that the next logical progression of EVE is to journey into the interiors of stations, planets, and ships.
This is not and cannot be disputed; and where your story begins it, it began the same with all of us. For me: The year was 2003, and I was engrossed in a sci-fi game called Freelancer; yet after several months of intense FPS space combat I knew I needed more... I loved the pew-pew, but I needed to feel like it was a part of something larger, of an entire sci-fi universe. And that's when I discovered EVE, with promises of the sandbox, where players interactions were real-time in a single universe, where orders were fulfilled by real people and not NPCs, where stations and other assets could be owned by players, and where (though none of us knew it at the time) planets, systems, and (hopefully soon) establishments could be managed as well.
Where EVE differed from Freelancer and other space shooters was not in FiS - they all started out the same back then. Instead, it sold itself on a promise beyond FiS. The promise that it was going to be the most expansive and complete sci-fi universe. It hasn't happened without hiccups, but even since then the game has evolved to be much more than just FiS.
There are a great many players who play EVE because of this "future vision", because of its potential and scope and the sandbox element, not just because of the right-here-and-now pew-pew. If EVE had never expanded beyond FiS and to think that it never will beyond WiS is not only false but renders the entire endeavor, this entire sandbox, a wasted pursuit. And though CCP may have screwed up a lot of things on the way, if not for this pursuit they have nothing. Terminating the future vision of EVE is quite literally the last thing they will do. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
980
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Posted - 2011.11.06 12:54:00 -
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When it was originally presented to us, the WiS project was "sold" to the player-base as an 'as-well-as' feature - something that was pretty much a free bonus from the WoD project, requiring not much more than some art dev resources to reskin it.
The truth was that it swiftly turned into an 'instead-of', with virtually all CCP's resources being diverted into WoD and incarna, leaving almost nothing for Space-EVE. Originally, I was as optimistic and inspired by the prospect of getting out of my pod as anyone, but the way things turned out has left a huge dent in the credibility of the project.
The people who joined EVE for the spaceships are going to continue to be bitterly hostile to any proposals for WiS until it can be satisfactorily demonstrated that it'll be the 'as-well-as" deal we were originally offered. That WiS development will not unduly compromise FiS development. (Not to mention that there will also have to be a clear and coherent plan for the actual WiS gameplay and content - something which to this day we're still lacking.)
I would assume that CCP are still going ahead with the WiS project, but it's very obvious that there's still a lot of fundamental work on the Incarna engine to be done before we can even start to expect to see anything go live on TQ. Until then, it's pointless to ask CCP to assign a huge dev team to a project that's barely out of Alpha. When we see a devblog asking us to log into SiSi to test the multiplayer capability of the Incarna engine, that's the time to start asking about Incarna content. Until then you're wasting your breath. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.11.06 13:07:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:
Can I recommend that you go play second life instead? That was you can indulge your fantasy by creating a world that caters only to your particular interests.
They have flying *****' generators that you can use to indulge your FiS fantasies.
But there you have your solution, you can indulge your WiS fantasies there.
You might even get a hug there and perhaps more.
Don't bother thanking me, it was your idea.
(Do contract me your stuff though!)
Nypheas Azurai wrote:
*yawn*
I'll give you the opportunity to sell me the concept with WiS. Tell me why I should even care and why it is even remotely relevant for a game that has just done fine and dandy without it since launch? CCP didn't convince me back in 2006 when it was mentioned and well, let us just say that I am glad that CCP got back in touch with reality.
So let's talk about actual gameplay, interaction and PvP.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
26
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Posted - 2011.11.06 16:13:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:As for myself, I heard about this mysterious sci-fi MMO from Iceland around 2001-2002 in PC Gamer that seemed to have more in common with David Braben's Elite than the undisputed king of sci-fi MMO at the time, Anarchy Online and I liked what I read so much that I started playing EVE May 2003. For me it is about space.
Nothing else. Hmm, I think you may be interested in Infinity if/when it comes out. But please, don't abandon EVE. I welcome every dime that goes to CCP.
Malcanis wrote:[..]but it's very obvious that there's still a lot of fundamental work on the Incarna engine to be done before we can even start to expect to see anything go live on TQ. Until then, it's pointless to ask CCP to assign a huge dev team to a project that's barely out of Alpha. I guess I missed something. I would like to be pointed to a source that mentions this, because as far as I know Incarna was on schedule, with only about 1/4 of the work needing to be done for the feature to be finished. At least, "finished" like CCP finishes features.
Alpheias wrote:So let's talk about actual gameplay, interaction and PvP. It seems you haven't watched "A Future Vision". Go watch it. Here. |
Alpheias
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Posted - 2011.11.06 18:29:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Alpheias wrote:As for myself, I heard about this mysterious sci-fi MMO from Iceland around 2001-2002 in PC Gamer that seemed to have more in common with David Braben's Elite than the undisputed king of sci-fi MMO at the time, Anarchy Online and I liked what I read so much that I started playing EVE May 2003. For me it is about space.
Nothing else. Hmm, I think you may be interested in Infinity if/when it comes out.
But I am not. In fact, I couldn't care less.
Che Biko wrote:Alpheias wrote:So let's talk about actual gameplay, interaction and PvP. It seems you haven't watched "A Future Vision". Go watch it. Here.
It seems that you haven't watched neither of Loxyrider's "This is EVE" and "This is EVE II". I haven't seen space barbie in either but there is some actual social player interaction, in REAL LIFE. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Joshua Deakin
Scavenge Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 18:57:00 -
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I'm still a little peeved about the fact that even the beta character creator in Sisi allowed more variation in character creation than the current version. You could resize the eyes, more controls to lips, better aging effects, was much more fluid and faster when making changes (I believe the history function is not optimized very well. And last but not least I personally was liking the Gallente Intaki (my char) model a lot better than the elephant nose with 'pig eyes' we have atm. I know tastes vary but it is irritating that what you had and thought was better was taken away from you, just like the ship spinning...
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
1903
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Posted - 2011.11.06 19:39:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Alpheias wrote:So let's talk about actual gameplay, interaction and PvP. It seems you haven't watched "A Future Vision". Go watch it. Here. Personally all the WiS stuff always left me feeling, 'meh' But I thought OK, it'll bring more players into the game and may add new game play.
But then CCP went mad on it's bastard child, as if it was the only kid in the house. It was at that point I and many others started to despair with it. It was forced, without merit, poorly implemented and seemed to blinker CCP in regards to many issues the game had. CCP seems to have changed direction in a massive 180-¦ way and are now focussed upon FiS far more. So many things that have needed improving for so long, are now getting fixed.
I must say though, even though I like this new direction, I do find it a very cynical exercise and still have little trust in them. But that's a personal feeling and I cannot claim it's widely felt.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
18
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Posted - 2011.11.06 19:39:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: Tell me why I should even care and why it is even remotely relevant for a game that has just done fine and dandy without it since launch? So let's talk about actual gameplay, interaction and PvP.
As linked by others, "A Future Vision" is mandatory watching for how CCP intend(ed) to implement WiS.
If you've used the markets to buy the ship you fly in space with, or if your ship was built using a blueprint and mined minerals, or if it docks in a PoS fueled by resources extracted from a planet... then you've already convinced yourself why EVE isn't just about FiS.
Why WiS? Because EVE struggles to be a complete sci-fi universe: we've got the economy, and the industry, and the combat, the next obvious thing missing is face-to-face interaction. This is necessary because EVE is a sci-fi universe centered around pod pilots, humanoids, not floating hunks of metal (everything from your account to your SP is attached to your character, not your ship), so face-to-face means human face, and not the hull of your vessel.
WiS is obvious from what EVE has always tried to be. The real question is how and when WiS? When? Given what most of us saw at 2008, the answer should have been "a long time ago". But we realize greed botched things up and the first go around has CCP in lockdown mode. It may be too soon to push for a proper WiS (E3 2008 style- promenade, establishments, minigames), but neither can we let it slip into silence and let CCP think FiS is the be-all end-all and that WiS should be terminated.
How? WiS should be a meaningful and integral part of gameplay. I cater to some of the specifics hinted at in "A Future Vision", but it's open-ended enough as long as a) it impacts the EVE universe in a non-trivial way (not just fluff and space barbie) b) it integrates within the EVE sandbox (no NEX, no items from thin air, everything must integrate into EVE markets and economy) c) it is optional (like any facet of EVE, pvp, industry, markets, or otherwise; players can choose to participate in it at will)
I think most WiS-ers are willing to give CCP a bit of rope to recover from the Incarna disaster; the problem is if they continue to cater to only FiS at the expense of the "future vision" and think that will save them... they'll end up with enough rope to hang themselves. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:20:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote:Alpheias wrote:Because a possible future is one of many outcomes for the future? Hint: WiS is not one of them.
When you say it, I would like to know what you refer to? As for myself, I heard about this mysterious sci-fi MMO from Iceland around 2001-2002 in PC Gamer that seemed to have more in common with David Braben's Elite than the undisputed king of sci-fi MMO at the time, Anarchy Online and I liked what I read so much that I started playing EVE May 2003. For me it is about space.
Nothing else.
Fair enough. Contract me your stuff and don't let the door hit you on the way out. For you the game may be about space. For others it's about many other things including markets, science, industry, exploration, planetary interaction, etc.
all of which are driven by Space content
Incarna is a beta testing program for WoD. When WoD died (GUESS WHAT) they stopped working on WiS (cooincidnce right?). There are links to where they told the WoD players incarna was "just a prototype" so they didnt worry that was the tech they were gonna get in their game. They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:22:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote: If you've used the markets to buy the ship you fly in space with, or if your ship was built using a blueprint and mined minerals, or if it docks in a PoS fueled by resources extracted from a planet... then you've already convinced yourself why EVE isn't just about FiS.
The only "convincing" thing about your post is that you sound as if you are not trying to convince me as much as you are desperately trying to convince yourself. Having doubts of your own?
Nypheas Azurai wrote: Why WiS? Because EVE struggles to be a complete sci-fi universe: we've got the economy, and the industry, and the combat, the next obvious thing missing is face-to-face interaction. This is necessary because EVE is a sci-fi universe centered around pod pilots, humanoids, not floating hunks of metal (everything from your account to your SP is attached to your character, not your ship), so face-to-face means human face, and not the hull of your vessel.
In your very own, might I add, subjective opinion.
So read one of the novels, chronicles or fanfic set in the EVE and you get the "complete sci-fi universe" because I am fairly sure that you are capable to imagine some of it, at least.
Nypheas Azurai wrote: WiS is obvious from what EVE has always tried to be. The real question is how and when WiS? When? Given what most of us saw at 2008, the answer should have been "a long time ago". But we realize greed botched things up and the first go around has CCP in lockdown mode. It may be too soon to push for a proper WiS (E3 2008 style- promenade, establishments, minigames), but neither can we let it slip into silence and let CCP think FiS is the be-all end-all and that WiS should be terminated.
You are not doing a very good job of convincing me.
Nypheas Azurai wrote:I think most WiS-ers are willing to give CCP a bit of rope to recover from the Incarna disaster; the problem is if they continue to cater to only FiS at the expense of the "future vision" and think that will save them... they will quickly end up with enough rope to hang themselves.
I doubt they would hang themselves over a bunch of players crying about WiS getting axed, making ultimatums here and there because how can anyone take you very serious. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:22:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote:[quote=Alpheias] ...WiS should be a meaningful and integral part of gameplay. I cater to some of the specifics hinted at in "A Future Vision", but it's open-ended enough as long as a) it impacts the EVE universe in a non-trivial way (not just fluff and space barbie) b) it integrates within the EVE sandbox (no NEX, no items from thin air, everything must integrate into EVE markets and economy) c) it is optional (like any facet of EVE, pvp, industry, markets, etc; players can choose to participate in it at will)...
The above quote should be printed on banners and hung throughout CCP. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:48:00 -
[976] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote:Nypheas Azurai wrote:[quote=Alpheias] ...WiS should be a meaningful and integral part of gameplay. I cater to some of the specifics hinted at in "A Future Vision", but it's open-ended enough as long as a) it impacts the EVE universe in a non-trivial way (not just fluff and space barbie) b) it integrates within the EVE sandbox (no NEX, no items from thin air, everything must integrate into EVE markets and economy) c) it is optional (like any facet of EVE, pvp, industry, markets, etc; players can choose to participate in it at will)... The above quote should be printed on banners and hung throughout CCP.
The above quote should be printed on banners and hung throughout CCP in an example of "the people NOT to listen to" They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
982
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:07:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Malcanis wrote:[..]but it's very obvious that there's still a lot of fundamental work on the Incarna engine to be done before we can even start to expect to see anything go live on TQ. Until then, it's pointless to ask CCP to assign a huge dev team to a project that's barely out of Alpha. I guess I missed something. I would like to be pointed to a source that mentions this,
My source is SiSi, which still can't support more than 1 avatar in an area at once.
The Incarna engine is still a long, long way from being able to support gameplay. This isn't in dispute. it's a simple evident fact.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jita Alt666
460
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:17:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Valkris Arkayne wrote:Nypheas Azurai wrote:[quote=Alpheias] ...WiS should be a meaningful and integral part of gameplay. I cater to some of the specifics hinted at in "A Future Vision", but it's open-ended enough as long as a) it impacts the EVE universe in a non-trivial way (not just fluff and space barbie) b) it integrates within the EVE sandbox (no NEX, no items from thin air, everything must integrate into EVE markets and economy) c) it is optional (like any facet of EVE, pvp, industry, markets, etc; players can choose to participate in it at will)... The above quote should be printed on banners and hung throughout CCP. The above quote should be printed on banners and hung throughout CCP in an example of "the people NOT to listen to"
Those guidelines would make WIS what WIS should be. At this point in time there is no way anything that CCP have indicated they will release as being WIS fits the bill.
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
68
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Che Biko wrote:Malcanis wrote:[..]but it's very obvious that there's still a lot of fundamental work on the Incarna engine to be done before we can even start to expect to see anything go live on TQ. Until then, it's pointless to ask CCP to assign a huge dev team to a project that's barely out of Alpha. I guess I missed something. I would like to be pointed to a source that mentions this, My source is SiSi, which still can't support more than 1 avatar in an area at once. The Incarna engine is still a long, long way from being able to support gameplay. This isn't in dispute. it's a simple evident fact. Hopefully by the time the most severe space issues are solved the remaining incarna devs might have cracked the issue of multiplayer avatars. At least one can hope.
For what it is worth, the 3d character preview will at least let you have two characterds rendered at once in the same client Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
156
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:55:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:
I'll give you the opportunity to sell me the concept with WiS. Tell me why I should even care and why it is even remotely relevant for a game that has just done fine and dandy without it since launch? CCP didn't convince me back in 2006 when it was mentioned and well, let us just say that I am glad that CCP got back in touch with reality.
So let's talk about actual gameplay, interaction and PvP.
Ideas for WiS game play content has already been posted numerous times within this thread but you still don't want to acknowledge it. Seems all you really want to do is continuously berate and belittle anyone who posts a positive viewpoint about WiS.
Alpheias wrote:As for myself, I heard about this mysterious sci-fi MMO from Iceland around 2001-2002 in PC Gamer that seemed to have more in common with David Braben's Elite than the undisputed king of sci-fi MMO at the time, Anarchy Online and I liked what I read so much that I started playing EVE May 2003. For me it is about space.
Your character was created on 2009.10.21which makes your statement a lie. Either that or you lack the courage to post with your main character.
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Selene D'Celeste
The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
119
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:57:00 -
[981] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:When it was originally presented to us, the WiS project was "sold" to the player-base as an 'as-well-as' feature - something that was pretty much a free bonus from the WoD project, requiring not much more than some art dev resources to reskin it.
The truth was that it swiftly turned into an 'instead-of', with virtually all CCP's resources being diverted into WoD and incarna, leaving almost nothing for Space-EVE. Originally, I was as optimistic and inspired by the prospect of getting out of my pod as anyone, but the way things turned out has left a huge dent in the credibility of the project.
The people who joined EVE for the spaceships are going to continue to be bitterly hostile to any proposals for WiS until it can be satisfactorily demonstrated that it'll be the 'as-well-as" deal we were originally offered. That WiS development will not unduly compromise FiS development. (Not to mention that there will also have to be a clear and coherent plan for the actual WiS gameplay and content - something which to this day we're still lacking.)
I would assume that CCP are still going ahead with the WiS project, but it's very obvious that there's still a lot of fundamental work on the Incarna engine to be done before we can even start to expect to see anything go live on TQ. Until then, it's pointless to ask CCP to assign a huge dev team to a project that's barely out of Alpha. When we see a devblog asking us to log into SiSi to test the multiplayer capability of the Incarna engine, that's the time to start asking about Incarna content. Until then you're wasting your breath.
I wonder how many people actually take the time to read the good posts like this one.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:12:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Ideas for WiS game play content has already been posted numerous times within this thread but you still don't want to acknowledge it. Seems all you really want to do is continuously berate and belittle anyone who posts a positive viewpoint about WiS.
There is nothing to aknowledge when it comes to wet dreams by those that shed tears over WiS.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Your character was created on 2009.10.21which makes your statement a lie. Either that or you lack the courage to post with your main character.
What about you? Isn't your character an alt as well?
As you say, Alpheias was created more than a year ago. But my account was created in May 6th 2003. Believe it or not, it is up to you.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
58
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:13:00 -
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Flamespar wrote: I'll give you the opportunity to sell me the concept with WiS. Tell me why I should even care and why it is even remotely relevant for a game that has just done fine and dandy without it since launch?
Tl;dr: 'Standing still is going backwards.'
Are people still actively playing Freespace? (a game from 1998). Probably not. Why not, you ask? Because the game, by today's standards, is hopelessly obsolete. It was, at the time, amazing, though! You could actually fly around in space along all three axes! It was a breakthrough, in its own right. But nowadays everything about it feels aged... because it is.
Let me quote some from the infamous leaked Hilmar email.
"First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago."
He was right. As someone who plays 'The Other Sci-Fi' space game series, Mass Effect, I can attest to the Incarna engine being superior, by far, to anything the competition has. So few have been willng to give him credit for it; but it's no less true. With Incarna Hilmar realized an unparalleled masterpiece in virtual reality, clear and simple. The man also said:
"Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change."
That statement stands on its own.
You delude yourselves into thinking CCP has 'seen reason' or something, simply because you won (yes, you won). Rather, what you have done is sabotaged CCP and their solid innovation track for the future. You voted with your feet, and CCP saw no other way than to give in. You probably think that's a good thing. 'Moar power to the people!' and all. But, like Freespace, EVE needs to evolve. And by evolving I don't mean tinkering a bit with skins, or nerfing this, or buffing the other; or adding ships even. That's all just marginal stuff. CCP is diligently working on it, because you made them, essentially; but, in effect, you are halting their carefully planned progress. As the poet said, The greatest enemy of progress is not stagnation, but false progress.
To remain still a viable Sci-Fi space game, a decade from now, EVE needs grow: not just in number of players, but conceptually. Incarna, I believe, was the ticket. It was the opening up of a 3D virtual reality realm with near endless growth-potential. Now that door is closed.
I tell you what will happen. And Hilmar already knows this, of course. You think Bioware (the makers of Mass Effect) are sitting still? Think again. They probably scared themselves sh*tless when they saw the Incarna engine. And they're all working on something similar now, you can bet on it. And the funny part is, they won't even have any catching up to do, as, guess what, CCP themselves just dropped further development on Incarna 'voluntarily.' And, five years from now, they'll have it; or something very close to it. And CCP will have lost the advantage. You did that.
Proud of yourself, little man?
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
983
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:21:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Flamespar wrote: I'll give you the opportunity to sell me the concept with WiS. Tell me why I should even care and why it is even remotely relevant for a game that has just done fine and dandy without it since launch?
Tl;dr: 'Standing still is going backwards.'
Agreed - look what happened to EVE when the part of it that people could actually play was left to stagnate for 2 years.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Mekela
Vinyl Roid
41
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:25:00 -
[985] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: I would assume that CCP are still going ahead with the WiS project, but it's very obvious that there's still a lot of fundamental work on the Incarna engine to be done before we can even start to expect to see anything go live on TQ. Until then, it's pointless to ask CCP to assign a huge dev team to a project that's barely out of Alpha. When we see a devblog asking us to log into SiSi to test the multiplayer capability of the Incarna engine, that's the time to start asking about Incarna content. Until then you're wasting your breath.
This is the problem, from listening to Hillmar we have heard they are abandoning WiS. I understand the need to cut back but his exact quote
Quote: CEO Hilmar P+¬tursson said "the community has spoken loud and clear", and that developing an expansion experience like Apocrypha is now "very much what we're aiming for".
"We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed," P+¬tursson said. "It also includes some optimisations and other fixes.
"I think the community has spoken loud and clear that they want more classical Eve features to come out, and that's the priority for us.
"Incarna is there, and we might pick it up at some point later down the line, but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to.
We the people think abandoning WiS is what is happening. We don't want a huge team working on it, we want "a team". We want it to grow. And don't give me "It can't work right now" How many MMO's are there that are face to face interaction, and your saying they can't do it on a smaller scale right now?
And for you FiS only people I'll happily contract all my stuff to you right after you give me a billion to cover costs of um stuff. I promise to pay you back 10 times as much |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
59
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Flamespar wrote: I'll give you the opportunity to sell me the concept with WiS. Tell me why I should even care and why it is even remotely relevant for a game that has just done fine and dandy without it since launch?
Tl;dr: 'Standing still is going backwards.' Agreed - look what happened to EVE when the part of it that people could actually play was left to stagnate for 2 years. It wasn't stagnate; they were just expanding the horizon to places you cared not to look. :)
Seriously, all y'all should have given Incarna a chance; it could have propelled EVE forward by leaps and bounds. Instead we'll get several more years of tinkering about with old stuff now first.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Jita Alt666
462
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:35:00 -
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Selene D'Celeste wrote:Malcanis wrote:When it was originally presented to us, the WiS project was "sold" to the player-base as an 'as-well-as' feature - something that was pretty much a free bonus from the WoD project, requiring not much more than some art dev resources to reskin it.
The truth was that it swiftly turned into an 'instead-of', with virtually all CCP's resources being diverted into WoD and incarna, leaving almost nothing for Space-EVE. Originally, I was as optimistic and inspired by the prospect of getting out of my pod as anyone, but the way things turned out has left a huge dent in the credibility of the project.
The people who joined EVE for the spaceships are going to continue to be bitterly hostile to any proposals for WiS until it can be satisfactorily demonstrated that it'll be the 'as-well-as" deal we were originally offered. That WiS development will not unduly compromise FiS development. (Not to mention that there will also have to be a clear and coherent plan for the actual WiS gameplay and content - something which to this day we're still lacking.)
I would assume that CCP are still going ahead with the WiS project, but it's very obvious that there's still a lot of fundamental work on the Incarna engine to be done before we can even start to expect to see anything go live on TQ. Until then, it's pointless to ask CCP to assign a huge dev team to a project that's barely out of Alpha. When we see a devblog asking us to log into SiSi to test the multiplayer capability of the Incarna engine, that's the time to start asking about Incarna content. Until then you're wasting your breath. I wonder how many people actually take the time to read the good posts like this one.
Malcanis has a tendency to make good posts.
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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
59
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:37:00 -
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Mekela wrote: We the people think abandoning WiS is what is happening.
And for good reason, of course. It's hard to be confident even about something they say they will do; which makes Incarna as good as abandoned.
Quote:We don't want a huge team working on it, we want "a team". We want it to grow. Yes; not a single WiS-lover would ever propose to drop working on FiS; but they can't just throw away all this potential either. Especially since I'm convinced they'll come to regret it.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Travis J Penken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:43:00 -
[989] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Flamespar wrote: I'll give you the opportunity to sell me the concept with WiS. Tell me why I should even care and why it is even remotely relevant for a game that has just done fine and dandy without it since launch?
Tl;dr: 'Standing still is going backwards.' Are people still actively playing Freespace? (a game from 1998). Probably not. Why not, you ask? Because the game, by today's standards, is hopelessly obsolete. It was, at the time, amazing, though! You could actually fly around in space along all three axes! It was a breakthrough, in its own right. But nowadays everything about it feels aged... because it is. Let me quote some from the infamous leaked Hilmar email. "First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago." He was right. As someone who plays 'The Other Sci-Fi' space game series, Mass Effect, I can attest to the Incarna engine being superior, by far, to anything the competition has. So few have been willng to give him credit for it; but it's no less true. With Incarna Hilmar realized an unparalleled masterpiece in virtual reality, clear and simple. The man also said: "Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change." That statement stands on its own. You delude yourselves into thinking CCP has 'seen reason' or something, simply because you won (yes, you won). Rather, what you have done is sabotaged CCP and their solid innovation track for the future. You voted with your feet, and CCP saw no other way than to give in. You probably think that's a good thing. 'Moar power to the people!' and all. But, like Freespace, EVE needs to evolve. And by evolving I don't mean tinkering a bit with skins, or nerfing this, or buffing the other; or adding ships even. That's all just marginal stuff. CCP is diligently working on it, because you made them, essentially; but, in effect, you are halting their carefully planned progress. As the poet said, The greatest enemy of progress is not stagnation, but false progress. To remain still a viable Sci-Fi space game, a decade from now, EVE needs grow: not just in number of players, but conceptually. Incarna, I believe, was the ticket. It was the opening up of a 3D virtual reality realm with near endless growth-potential. Now that door is closed. I tell you what will happen. And Hilmar already knows this, of course. You think Bioware (the makers of Mass Effect) are sitting still? Think again. They probably scared themselves sh*tless when they saw the Incarna engine. And they're all working on something similar now, you can bet on it. And the funny part is, they won't even have any catching up to do, as, guess what, CCP themselves just dropped further development on Incarna 'voluntarily.' And, five years from now, they'll have it; or something very close to it. And CCP will have lost the advantage. You did that. Proud of yourself, little man?
I really dont know where to begin, but my god's are you thickheaded or what's wrong with you? The players are not here to pay for an experince that MAY occour in 5 years from now. They want to experince EVE now, not in a distant future that may come.
What the players DID do, was to make CCP refocus on the actual gameplay in EVE. What was released pissed players off compleatly. Not because we didnt want WIS, we DID.
What we got was pre-alpha code, that should have stayed in a developer's corner for another year or 2, before the players even saw any of it. What INCARNA did, was to alienate EVE from the players, giving nothing of value to the gameplay and promoting it as "awesome". Now, everything called INCARNA or WiS will be viewed with huge scepsiss, distrust and hate. That is what incarna did.
What can CCP do about it? Hide it in a closet, until it's got a point. Having an avatar for no reson doesnt make up for total neglect of the game for the famous 18 months, and even longer for the engine to work with multiple avatars in the same location. (imagine Jita 4-4 with incarna!) |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:55:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote: Seriously, all y'all should have given Incarna a chance; it could have propelled EVE forward by leaps and bounds. Instead we'll get several more years of tinkering about with old stuff now first.
I just want to note that we should be happy that Incarna was stopped in its tracks, had it been left to progress we'd get NEX and fluff, and not meaningful WiS as we saw it in E3 2008.
Everything else is true: that halting development of a new & better WiS in favor of falsely pretending progress is in fixing bugs that should have been addressed years ago is alarming in that some of the playerbase is actually falling for it. It's as if Himlar had said "we've realized what the EVE community wants, and it's more Flying in Space; therefore as effective tomorrow we've fired all our market and economy staff so they can work on FiS fulltime. No MORE ECONOMY!" and suddenly the people are to cheer this as good!? (only the short-sighted could believe this will result in anything but stagnation)
We the players, both WiS, and FiS, but especially the FiS-ers have to shake off this manipulation attempt by CCP. We cannot let ourselves be fooled into the false dichotomy that it's "fix the game OR expand its horizons" when it should be "fix the game AND expand its horizons". |
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
59
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Posted - 2011.11.07 01:21:00 -
[991] - Quote
Nypheas Azurai wrote: We the players, both WiS, and FiS, but especially the FiS-ers have to shake off this manipulation attempt by CCP. We cannot let ourselves be fooled into the false dichotomy that it's "fix the game OR expand its horizons" when it should be "fix the game AND expand its horizons".
You can't expand your horizons when your rudder's broken.
CCP has to focus its attention somewhere -- and it has to be either development of Incarna-related features (which takes time and manpower away from bug-testing and balancing) or more bug-testing and balancing (which does the same thing for Incarna features). If they do both at once, they're not going to be able to do either properly. |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
25
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Posted - 2011.11.07 02:47:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote: You can't expand your horizons when your rudder's broken.
Neither can you sit in the middle of nowhere and go "MAYBE at some point later down the line" we'll look into getting the sails back up. That's my point, you're in trouble until both are working: If you fix your rudder and break your sails you're no further ahead than with a broken rudder and working sails.
Right now, they're fixing the rudders, but CCP better have more than just a "maybe some time" attitude towards how they're going to expand EVE into the future. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
678
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Posted - 2011.11.07 02:52:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote:Neither can you sit in the middle of nowhere Fixing, improving, and adding to the actual Eve gameplay that people are paying for isn't sitting in the middle of nowhere.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2011.11.07 03:08:00 -
[994] - Quote
Nypheas Azurai wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote: You can't expand your horizons when your rudder's broken.
Neither can you sit in the middle of nowhere and go "MAYBE at some point later down the line" we'll look into getting the sails back up. That's my point, you're in trouble until both are working: If you fix your rudder and break your sails you're no further ahead than with a broken rudder and working sails. Right now, they're fixing the rudders, but CCP better have more than just a "maybe some time" attitude towards how they're going to expand EVE into the future.
Just be glad they're fixing the core issues of the game such as unbalanced hybrids, handicapped destroyers, insurance payouts to suicide gankers, etc, etc, etc. By the way, the majority of the players here made their voices heard on the first day of the Incarna release and they said fix the core issues first. And they said it, not just with guns on a monument, game-news articles and epic threadnaughts, but also with their wallets by unsubbing their accounts.
As a result, CCP apologized and now they're working on the core issues while the WiS fanboys (who didn't make that much noise) were left whining. That's what happens when you have a majority vote. Live with it. |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
25
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Posted - 2011.11.07 03:35:00 -
[995] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Nypheas Azurai wrote:Neither can you sit in the middle of nowhere Fixing, improving, and adding to the actual Eve gameplay that people are paying for isn't sitting in the middle of nowhere. Fixing is not expansions, people pay for maintenance and expansion (maintenance/patches are expected).
Henry Haphorn wrote: As a result, CCP apologized and now they're working on the core issues while the WiS fanboys (who didn't make that much noise) were left whining. That's what happens when you have a majority vote. Live with it.
You must be living under a rock because many WiS-ers along with FiS-ers were amongst the most vocal (case-in-point: I'm among the many who voted by unsubbing, so you can't separate my voice out) and the reasons for voting aren't as simple as you make them. If you thought through it a bit more you'd realize that WiS had the most to lose from Incarna (what's worse, not caring about a feature, or caring about a feature and seeing it implemented poorly?) and so were just as peeved as anyone else.
But attitudes like that - "just be glad" - are giving CCP the easy way out: that they can simply choose FiS over everything else and fool the FiS-ers into thinking that fixing a weapons system that's been broken for 5 years or other neglected game mechanics constitutes an expansion or overall progress of the game.
Keep making it easy for them, at least if CCP thinks that all they need to do is break then fix gameplay every year and not expand, then it makes it easier for competitors to slip in and improve. And competition is the best thing that could happen right now. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
678
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Posted - 2011.11.07 03:39:00 -
[996] - Quote
Nypheas Azurai wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Nypheas Azurai wrote:Neither can you sit in the middle of nowhere Fixing, improving, and adding to the actual Eve gameplay that people are paying for isn't sitting in the middle of nowhere. Fixing is not expansions, people pay for maintenance and expansion (maintenance/patches are expected). Huh?
I think your point was that Eve was somehow stagnating because they were refocusing on actual Eve gameplay and not Barbies in space and I countered by saying that by fixing bugs, improving existing parts of the game and then adding to the core gameplay that Eve players are paying a monthly subscription for is proof that the game isn't stagnant.
Your response doesn't make any sense. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2011.11.07 04:17:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote:Ranka Mei wrote: Seriously, all y'all should have given Incarna a chance; it could have propelled EVE forward by leaps and bounds. Instead we'll get several more years of tinkering about with old stuff now first.
I just want to note that we should be happy that Incarna was stopped in its tracks, had it been left to progress we'd get NEX and fluff, and not meaningful WiS as we saw it in E3 2008. Everything else is true: that halting development of a new & better WiS in favor of falsely pretending progress is in fixing bugs that should have been addressed years ago is alarming in that some of the playerbase is actually falling for it. It's as if Himlar had said "we've realized what the EVE community wants, and it's more Flying in Space; therefore as effective tomorrow we've fired all our market and economy staff so they can work on FiS fulltime. No MORE ECONOMY!" and suddenly the people are to cheer this as good!? (only the short-sighted could believe this will result in anything but stagnation) We the players, both WiS, and FiS, but especially the FiS-ers have to shake off this manipulation attempt by CCP. We cannot let ourselves be fooled into the false dichotomy that it's "fix the game OR expand its horizons" when it should be "fix the game AND expand its horizons". Personally I think that Incarna with it's no content microtransaction shopfront NEX Store just showed how disconnected CCP had become from the playerbase. People like CCP Zinfandel, CCP Apollo and anyone else involved in the NEX Store have a lot to answer for. It also shows how little they care for the integrity of the game.
I'm sure if the playerbase was made up of mostly young teens then there wouldn't have been the backlash CCP recieved from the whole NEX/WiS/Gold ammo debacle, but telling the EVE players it's raining whilst your pissing on them just doesn't fly when dealing with people who are wise enough to know better. CCP clearly never heard the business acronym 'Don't boil the frog' and the people that thought the NEX Store was a good idea have shown that they don't care one bit for the future of EVE.
All those players that for years have remained loyal to CCP and looked forward to the addition and expansion of the games content with WiS were given the shaft with the inclusion of the NEX Store. Yes thanks for being so loyal, but if you want to partake in the sandbox devoid content of WiS we've delivered so far that will $30-$80 on top of your subscription and/or PLEX and oh by the way we removed any sandbox elements that we told you before would be included just to give you that meaningless crap. How about CCP shows that they at least care just a little about those long term players as well as the newer ones and delivers the NEX Store items in a way that adds value/content to the sandbox that is EVE.
Not to mention that the NEX Store adds absolutely zero reason for new players to want to join EVE. So what was the intent of the NEX Store, an attempt to milk those loyal golden geese? you know the ones that helped CCP to get where they are. Future proofing the game? well if your gullible enough to swallow that line then you better go and get a job at the local brothel.
WiS could have been so much more than what it became or where CCP were headed with it. Regardless of peoples feelings towards WiS whether they be good or bad, with some meaningful sandbox gameply it had the potential to attract more players which would have meant a spillover of people into FiS content, thereby benefiting everyone. Unfortunately CCP kneecapped WiS with their shortsightedness with things like the NEX Store and thought that $80 monocles and the like was content for a sandbox game.
CCP made the mistake of making people choose between FiS and WiS by virtually abandoning FiS for the last 2 years and also allowing glaring bugs to remain. The release of Incarna with the problems surrounding it was the last straw for many and also included very little unless you call the NEX Store content. I'm sure that if work on new content/fixes for FiS had continued whilst they worked on WiS then there wouldn't be the resentment towards WiS that we see now. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
25
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Posted - 2011.11.07 04:19:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:I think your point was that Eve was somehow stagnating because they were refocusing on actual Eve gameplay and not Barbies in space and I countered by saying that by fixing bugs, improving existing parts of the game and then adding to the core gameplay that Eve players are paying a monthly subscription for is proof that the game isn't stagnant.
Your response doesn't make any sense. stag-+nant - characterized by lack of development, advancement, or progressive movement: a stagnant economy.
Knowing the definition of words helps to make sense of them. Take note particularly of "advancement" and "progressive". You can be working vigorously on a project but so long as that work is simply in-place and doesn't move it forward, it's still stagnant. Fixing, patching, improvements help stop EVE from breaking, but expanding, that's venturing into something new. FiS isn't new and none of the proposed changes for Winter imply they're adding any new element to FiS. Guess what's a perfect new element that they've been talking about adding since 2006? WiS. And now they're already resigned on not making it happen "maybe, for some time later".
Stagnant
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:WiS could have been so much more than what it became or where CCP were headed with it. CCP made the mistake of making people choose between FiS and WiS by virtually abandoning FiS for the last 2 years and also allowing glaring bugs to remain. The release of Incarna with the problems surrounding it was the last straw for many and also included very little unless you call the NEX Store content. I'm sure that if work on new content/fixes for FiS had continued whilst they worked on WiS then there wouldn't be the resentment towards WiS that we see now. ^^ This person gets it. CCP are clever, they pit us against each other (FiS vs WiS) and say "choose!", when they know very well it should have been both. There are no winners here as long as people keep allowing themselves to believe that a) Incarna was WiS (it wasn't, neither party wanted Incarna) b) one of either FiS or WiS can exist (both can be developed in tandem if CCP isn't preoccupied with WoD and vanities, it's why we pay a sub fee: for game maintenance AND new features that expand the universe) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
273
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Posted - 2011.11.07 05:16:00 -
[999] - Quote
So again, this thread should have at least gotten a CCP "we hear you and we are looking at it", but no.
I want to respond to a couple of running comments in the recent replies.
WiS and NeX are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!!! WiS does not need NeX!!! Stop claiming WiS means NeX!
CCP did not focus all of CCP in WiS instead of FiS!! They focused all of CCP on consoles and vampires!!! So stop claiming WiS is why FiS work didn't happen.
Finally ask yourself, if you think the winter expansion is awesome, this is what CCP has done in less than 90 days of reasonable resources on Eve, why the heck have we been told over and over that what we wanted in general from Eve was impossible when we have been asking for most of the winter expansion for years. Clearly they had every warm bodied sentient being working on non-Eve content. There hasn't been anyone working on Eve content of any kind (and that includes WiS) for some time.
We are getting the "vampires ate my homework" excuse because if there was the amount of work they claimed they were doing for WiS in Eve and not vampires they would open the door even it wasn't as cool as promised. If history proves anything CCP is not shy about releasing unfinished content.
There never was any more WiS completed than the stations. We caught CCP in a lie. There are no vast station interiors ready to walk around in that would have been completed if they were anywhere near on track for the Incarna delivery they promised this winter. Our subscriptions went to vampires and consoles, not WiS as stated.
CCP bet the farm that Vampire games would be bigger than Eve and tried to get WoD out before the Eve community wised up. They tricked us with the promise of a "new shiny" of Incarna but couldn't deliver a vampire game either. Now once they finally have to work on Eve we see how much they could be delivering if they weren't funneling our subscriptions into non-eve efforts.
So WiS haters, you are misguided, CCP nearly killed Eve for the stuff out of Eve, not WiS which they clearly never worked on much.
Issler |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Issler Dainze wrote:So again, this thread should have at least gotten a CCP "we hear you and we are looking at it", but no. That's because it's clear that this thread is 5% you and other people who really want Space Barbie and 95% people trolling you for it.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.07 05:48:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote:Knowing the definition of words helps to make sense of them. Take note particularly of "advancement" and "progressive". You can be working vigorously on a project but so long as that work is simply in-place and doesn't move it forward, it's still stagnant. Fixing, patching, improvements help stop EVE from breaking, but expanding, that's venturing into something new. FiS isn't new and none of the proposed changes for Winter imply they're adding any new element to FiS. Guess what's a perfect new element that they've been talking about adding since 2006? WiS. And now they're already resigned on not making it happen "maybe, for some time later". This boils down to all the other arguments: "If Eve doesn't expand the direction *I* want then it is stagnating". You are told about all the ways the game is growing and expanding but because you're not getting more outfits for your Dolly Dressup you try to dismiss them completely.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2011.11.07 07:06:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:So again, this thread should have at least gotten a CCP "we hear you and we are looking at it", but no.
I want to respond to a couple of running comments in the recent replies.
WiS and NeX are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!!! WiS does not need NeX!!! Stop claiming WiS means NeX!
CCP did not focus all of CCP in WiS instead of FiS!! They focused all of CCP on consoles and vampires!!! So stop claiming WiS is why FiS work didn't happen.
Finally ask yourself, if you think the winter expansion is awesome, this is what CCP has done in less than 90 days of reasonable resources on Eve, why the heck have we been told over and over that what we wanted in general from Eve was impossible when we have been asking for most of the winter expansion for years. Clearly they had every warm bodied sentient being working on non-Eve content. There hasn't been anyone working on Eve content of any kind (and that includes WiS) for some time.
We are getting the "vampires ate my homework" excuse because if there was the amount of work they claimed they were doing for WiS in Eve and not vampires they would open the door even it wasn't as cool as promised. If history proves anything CCP is not shy about releasing unfinished content.
There never was any more WiS completed than the stations. We caught CCP in a lie. There are no vast station interiors ready to walk around in that would have been completed if they were anywhere near on track for the Incarna delivery they promised this winter. Our subscriptions went to vampires and consoles, not WiS as stated.
CCP bet the farm that Vampire games would be bigger than Eve and tried to get WoD out before the Eve community wised up. They tricked us with the promise of a "new shiny" of Incarna but couldn't deliver a vampire game either. Now once they finally have to work on Eve we see how much they could be delivering if they weren't funneling our subscriptions into non-eve efforts.
So WiS haters, you are misguided, CCP nearly killed Eve for the stuff out of Eve, not WiS which they clearly never worked on much.
Issler Unless your spaceship is going to have legs and be walking around in stations then the NEX Store is part of WiS. CCP have tied the two together and no matter how much you 'shout' about it not being the case, the fact remains that they are. And right now we can only speculate as to how deeply Aurum would have been interwoven into WiS, but seeing comments from the very people driving the NEX Store/Aurum it isn't hard to imagine where it was headed.
Please tell me where the NEX Store doesn't have it's taint on WiS. The very avatar that you will use to walk around that environment is tied to the NEX for a start.
So CCP has already taken something from Ambulation and instead of being player crafted it's in the NEX Store, but your argument is that it now has nothing to do with WiS ... umm ok. With the release of Incarna CCP said they were going to issue everyone with basically an orange jumpsuit if they got podded and the only way to get other clothing items was through the NEX Store. They didn't go through with it due to player backlash at the time, but gives you an idea of their thinking on how they would try to force people into using the NEX Store if they could.
I believe with WoD/WiS they simply have not been able to get it to work with multiple players in the same space yet. Notice how there has not even been a screenshot of WoD let alone a video and then realise how much we saw of Ambulation even in it's unfinished state. If it was working as intended within Carbon, then CCP would be making noise about it and showing it off.
Or perhaps WiS was going to be so NEX'orized that CCP decided not to further enrage the playerbase and are rethinking how it should be done. Theories are fun aren't they. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Viejo Melholm
Knights of fate SOLAR WING
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 07:29:00 -
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Don't need WiS. CCP can get back to it after CCP fix all broken gameplay in space. |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
27
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Posted - 2011.11.07 07:40:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:This boils down to all the other arguments: "If Eve doesn't expand the direction *I* want then it is stagnating". You are told about all the ways the game is growing and expanding but because you're not getting more outfits for your Dolly Dressup you try to dismiss them completely.
The more you try to debase the problem with strawmen names, the more ridiculous your argument appears. Simply calling something "pew pew" or "space barbie" doesn't make it any more legitimate to any rational person.
As the person before you stated, it's not about what "I" want in specific, it's about what constitutes an "expansion". Yes personally I want this to be WiS, but honestly if it was any other expansion, say DUST integrated with EVE, or an arena for PVP, or anything that is actually expansive and not just patches, I'd go with it (although clearly WiS was the logical choice given they've been talking about it for years).
And I think it's worth reiterating what another poster said: don't be so misguided as to think EVE suffered from WiS development when it suffered from a lack of development in general. Are we told the game is "growing and expanding"? by whom, CCP? I don't recall them using the word "expanding", but they must love you if they can get you to believe 5-year-old patches are expansions. Patches they pieced together in the aftermath of rage in less than a few months, while the year of paid subs was diverted to non-EVE work. You want to see what we, the players, mean and expect by expansion? Let's find out the kind of work they can do when dedicating an entire year to EVE (hint: Red moon rising, Apocrypha, even to an extent Dominion had it been followed through properly and not divvied up between DUST and a clickfest). |
Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals
42
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Posted - 2011.11.07 07:46:00 -
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Walking in Stations is a waist of time |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
63
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Posted - 2011.11.07 07:50:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote: Right now, they're fixing the rudders, but CCP better have more than just a "maybe some time" attitude towards how they're going to expand EVE into the future.
Zactly! This is that sabotage I was talking about. When your modules are offlined when you undock, you're upset, and you want that fixed. So do I. But fixing little things, here and there, is not a Plan. Adding nebulae, however pretty, is not a Plan. Buffing and nerfing are not a Plan.
Incarna, however, was a Plan. And I daresay, expanding into 3D virtual reality was the logical, and inevitable evolutionary development for EVE -- if, for nothing else, because gaming is not standing still: we're on the verge of an era where a more immersive virtual reality gaming will be a reality. If not done by CCP, then by its competitors.
Now, Incarna wasn't introduced properly. With WoD and DUST, CCP had taken on way more than they could handle, leaning too heavily on their cash-cow EVE. Naturally they had hoped their other two titles would start to generate big bucks, for EVE too, but that didn't transpire. The result? They rushed out Incarna, with no other content yet than a NeX store, hoping to recoup a bit of their overextended investement. That failed too.
Still, doesn't mean Incarna was a bad Plan. And don't tell me, in mournful numbers, Incarna offers no real content, because it was about to (CCP had big plans for it). CCP wanted to open that door, but you yourselves forced it shut. I mean, when you're building a home, and they just finished the foundation, you don't scream at the contractor for not having a roof yet, do you?! No, you let the man do his job, and you'll have something sweet to look on the next year.
CCP simply needs to stick to their Plan, and not abandon Incarna. They should not have taken away so many resources from FiS; but that has ultimately more to do with WoD and DUST than WiS per se.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
23
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Posted - 2011.11.07 07:56:00 -
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doing a little reading found this interview
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/10/21/interview-eve-onlines-kristoffer-touborg/2/
basicly before it was 80% incarna and 20% Space ships now that is flipped from 20% Incarna and 80% FIS - so Incarna is till moving... just at 25% speed and FIS is now 4x speed. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
63
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Posted - 2011.11.07 08:09:00 -
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Travis J Penken wrote:What the players DID do, was to make CCP refocus on the actual gameplay in EVE. What you described here, no offense, is merely the definition of short-sightedness and impatience. CCP had laid the foundation for endless new gameplay. You just couldn't wait a few months longer: new content, beyond the door, was already announced for the Winter expansion. And the sky would have been the limit, from there on in. Incarna would have been a major step forward; but you made them take it back, because 'actual gameplay' to you apparently means having it all NOW. You do your generation proud.
Quote: What was released pissed players off compleatly. No, what pissed people off (and rightly so) was the NeX store. People are not very good at separating issues, though: "Me mad at NeX, me mad at Incarna! Grrr!"
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
682
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Posted - 2011.11.07 08:10:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote:Are we told the game is "growing and expanding"? by whom, CCP? I don't recall them using the word "expanding", but they must love you if they can get you to believe 5-year-old patches are expansions. Patches they pieced together in the aftermath of rage in less than a few months, while the year of paid subs was diverted to non-EVE work. You want to see what we, the players, mean and expect by expansion? Let's find out the kind of work they can do when dedicating an entire year to EVE (hint: Red moon rising, Apocrypha, even to an extent Dominion had it been followed through properly and not divvied up between DUST and a clickfest). You're the one who is really hung up on the word 'expansion'. All I said was that adding new ships, is one example of the game growing...you disagreed and said a bunch of random stuff that didn't make sense. I think what you're trying to do is equate WoW expansions and Eve expansions and if you can't stop yourself from doing that you're going to be disappointed every single time. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
682
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Posted - 2011.11.07 08:17:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:No, whay pissed people off (and rightly so) was the NeX store. People are not very good at separating issues, though: "Me mad at NeX, me mad at Incarna! Grrr!" It's not really that simple. Of course the NeX is horrible and people are upset about it but players were just as mad about the poor performance of the CQ, the lack of any meaningful game mechanics, and the fact that CCP admitted that Incarna was being used as a testbed for the WoD game. Also removing the old hangar view and replacing it with a static picture of a door was just insulting.
If CCP had gone into Incarna with the idea that it would enhance the core gamplay of Eve (internet spaceships) they might have succeeded but when they came up with some nebulous idea of a "total scifi emulator" and then decided to use the same engine for an unrelated game it all fell apart and Eve suffered from it. CCP finally came to their senses and have begun the process of fixing what went wrong but threads like this aren't helping them do that.
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mkint
285
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Posted - 2011.11.07 08:24:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Travis J Penken wrote:What the players DID do, was to make CCP refocus on the actual gameplay in EVE. What you described here, no offense, is merely the definition of short-sightedness and impatience. CCP had laid the foundation for endless new gameplay. You just couldn't wait a few months longer: new content, beyond the door, was already announced for the Winter expansion. And the sky would have been the limit, from there on in. Incarna would have been a major step forward; but you made them take it back, because 'actual gameplay' to you apparently means having it all NOW. You do your generation proud. Quote: What was released pissed players off compleatly. No, what pissed people off (and rightly so) was the NeX store. People are not very good at separating issues, though: "Me mad at NeX, me mad at Incarna! Grrr!" you make me lol!
Divorcing incarna from nex is impossible. It was the closest thing to a feature it had.
Saying wiggly legs is "the foundation of blah blah blah" is mentally-ill-equipped. Exactly WHAT gameplay would it introduce? Where are the dev quotes? For the thousandth time /dance is not gameplay. Staring at a graphical representation of a monitor with nothing on it is not gameplay. GRAPHICS are NOT gameplay. You are as vacuous as the CCP marketing wh0res that have you brainwashed. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
195
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Posted - 2011.11.07 08:30:00 -
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Seriously, lay off the flying-in-space aspect already. We've got more than enough flying in spaceships. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Hrald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2011.11.07 08:39:00 -
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The only potential value Incarna had for me was nostalgia for Freelancer. I like the idea of WiS and I do think that it can help with getting people more in to the game. The biggest drawback I've heard from people about Eve is that it's "all spreadsheets." Thus, immersion IS important to some, and Incarna had the potential to do that. But what was delivered was paltry in comparison to its actual potential. Developing two games aside from Eve destroyed this potential. CCP bit off more than they could chew. A more viable option would be delivering the fixes they are currently doing while working on WiS as well.
As a result, all products have suffered. |
mkint
285
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Posted - 2011.11.07 08:44:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Seriously, lay off the flying-in-space aspect already. We've got more than enough flying in spaceships. Apparently none of it with enough staying power to keep most people subbed beyond 6 months. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
195
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Posted - 2011.11.07 08:48:00 -
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mkint wrote:Apparently none of it with enough staying power to keep most people subbed beyond 6 months.
If that were true, then EVE would have died years ago. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
273
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Posted - 2011.11.07 08:57:00 -
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That interview is actually part lie and out of date. 80% was working on WoD with a "science fair" project to test stuff in Eve. Later CCP statements and dev posts have said "WiS is "on ice indefinitely".
That is why I started this thread.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
274
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Posted - 2011.11.07 09:01:00 -
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mkint wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Travis J Penken wrote:What the players DID do, was to make CCP refocus on the actual gameplay in EVE. What you described here, no offense, is merely the definition of short-sightedness and impatience. CCP had laid the foundation for endless new gameplay. You just couldn't wait a few months longer: new content, beyond the door, was already announced for the Winter expansion. And the sky would have been the limit, from there on in. Incarna would have been a major step forward; but you made them take it back, because 'actual gameplay' to you apparently means having it all NOW. You do your generation proud. Quote: What was released pissed players off compleatly. No, what pissed people off (and rightly so) was the NeX store. People are not very good at separating issues, though: "Me mad at NeX, me mad at Incarna! Grrr!" you make me lol! Divorcing incarna from nex is impossible. It was the closest thing to a feature it had. Saying wiggly legs is "the foundation of blah blah blah" is mentally-ill-equipped. Exactly WHAT gameplay would it introduce? Where are the dev quotes? For the thousandth time /dance is not gameplay. Staring at a graphical representation of a monitor with nothing on it is not gameplay. GRAPHICS are NOT gameplay. You are as vacuous as the CCP marketing wh0res that have you brainwashed.
Dude, you and the folks that keep saying WiS and NeX are linked are idiots! Nex is clearly still in plan even though WiS is dead. But now NeX will be special ships and logos for your ships.
NeX lives and WiS is dead, the two are very different and you lost one thing that could expand Eve and still have the bad thing everyone unsubbed over.
Issler
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
54
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Posted - 2011.11.07 09:23:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Nypheas Azurai wrote: Right now, they're fixing the rudders, but CCP better have more than just a "maybe some time" attitude towards how they're going to expand EVE into the future.
Zactly! This is that sabotage I was talking about. When your modules are offlined when you undock, you're upset, and you want that fixed. So do I. But fixing little things, here and there, is not a Plan. Adding nebulae, however pretty, is not a Plan. Buffing and nerfing are not a Plan. Incarna, however, was a Plan. And I daresay, expanding into 3D virtual reality was the logical, and inevitable evolutionary development for EVE -- if, for nothing else, because gaming is not standing still: we're on the verge of an era where a more immersive virtual reality gaming will be a reality. If not done by CCP, then by its competitors. Now, Incarna wasn't introduced properly. With WoD and DUST, CCP had taken on way more than they could handle, leaning too heavily on their cash-cow EVE. Naturally they had hoped their other two titles would start to generate big bucks, for EVE too, but that didn't transpire. The result? They rushed out Incarna, with no other content yet than a NeX store, hoping to recoup a bit of their overextended investement. That failed too. Still, doesn't mean Incarna was a bad Plan. And don't tell me, in mournful numbers, Incarna offers no real content, because it was about to (CCP had big plans for it). CCP wanted to open that door, but you yourselves forced it shut. I mean, when you're building a home, and they just finished the foundation, you don't scream at the contractor for not having a roof yet, do you?! No, you let the man do his job, and you'll have something sweet to look on the next year. CCP simply needs to stick to their Plan, and not abandon Incarna. They should not have taken away so many resources from FiS; but that has ultimately more to do with WoD and DUST than WiS per se.
I disagree with you putting the blame on WOD and DUST for this fiasco. The whole problem is that Incarna wasn't a proper plan for EVE. It was corporate strategy, a little vision and tech testing without the plan. The two things I've heard about the actual gameplay of Incarna were, that there weren't any concrete plans just vague ideas and that the people who had played what was there found it boring, so they had to start rethinking the whole thing. Point being it wasn't just an issue with a bad introduction of a well thought out plan, that was just about to deliver amazing things. It was a bad intoduction of a tech test and an MT store, that CCP were going to do something interesting with in the future to justify it to us. FFS they only got one small room ready in time and that barely worked with a single person in it. The incarna project was not ready for primetime by any stretch of the imagination. They just hoped they could make something of it later on and that we would bare with it.
I do agree that the avatar based gameplay is a natural evolution for EVE and that CCP needs to keep developing it, but I'm also glad that the current "plan" failed horribly. The old plan wasn't primarily about bringing good things to EVE or enhancing EVEs gameplay. It was about testing technology, bringing micro transactions to EVE and as a side benefit allowing us to walk in a station with little thought given to the gameplay it would provide. It was a corporate strategy driven project with some future vision mixed in. Yes the NEX would have been implemented without WiS, but in a feature with no concrete gameplay plans it's striking that the one thing CCP had planned for was tying the customization options to a MT store.
I think putting the Incarna project on a slow burner for a few months will actually do a lot of good for it in the long run. It allows CCP to come up with a concrete plan for it and think of ways it brings actual gameplay value to EVE in addition to helping achieve their company's stategic goals. It also allows the tech to be improved to the point multiplayer areas become playable in the first place. Maybe next time they can offer something the players actually want to play, so they don't have to try and force people to go use the new content against their will. |
mkint
285
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Posted - 2011.11.07 09:41:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:mkint wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Travis J Penken wrote:What the players DID do, was to make CCP refocus on the actual gameplay in EVE. What you described here, no offense, is merely the definition of short-sightedness and impatience. CCP had laid the foundation for endless new gameplay. You just couldn't wait a few months longer: new content, beyond the door, was already announced for the Winter expansion. And the sky would have been the limit, from there on in. Incarna would have been a major step forward; but you made them take it back, because 'actual gameplay' to you apparently means having it all NOW. You do your generation proud. Quote: What was released pissed players off compleatly. No, what pissed people off (and rightly so) was the NeX store. People are not very good at separating issues, though: "Me mad at NeX, me mad at Incarna! Grrr!" you make me lol! Divorcing incarna from nex is impossible. It was the closest thing to a feature it had. Saying wiggly legs is "the foundation of blah blah blah" is mentally-ill-equipped. Exactly WHAT gameplay would it introduce? Where are the dev quotes? For the thousandth time /dance is not gameplay. Staring at a graphical representation of a monitor with nothing on it is not gameplay. GRAPHICS are NOT gameplay. You are as vacuous as the CCP marketing wh0res that have you brainwashed. Dude, you and the folks that keep saying WiS and NeX are linked are idiots! Nex is clearly still in plan even though WiS is dead. But now NeX will be special ships and logos for your ships. NeX lives and WiS is dead, the two are very different and you lost one thing that could expand Eve and still have the bad thing everyone unsubbed over. Issler I still haven't heard anything concrete as to how WiS was going to EVER improve EVE. Just "it's the future" and "it'll be awesomeGäó" and "your computer is sh!t, get a new one." One of those is more concrete than the others. Guess which one. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
56
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Posted - 2011.11.07 09:54:00 -
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mkint wrote: I still haven't heard anything concrete as to how WiS was going to EVER improve EVE. Just "it's the future" and "it'll be awesomeGäó" and "your computer is sh!t, get a new one." One of those is more concrete than the others. Guess which one.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm sure not everyone will agree that there are any advantages to WiS, however, there are many who will enjoy WiS.
WiS will provide a more comfy way for newbies to be introduced to eve. It will provide better way of passing the time waiting for the next fleet op (I know everyone likes to pretend they pewpew 110% of the time, but admit it, theres a lot of station spinning too =P) Customizable avatars has been a major seller on the internet since the early 90's. I remember when they sold customizable avatars for AIM/Yahoo etc even. Look at n64's customizable Bomberman characters. Its something people enjoy. If you dont, fine, but many people do. Adding this to eve would add that much more realisim, and add yet another thing to do in eve.
What i love about eve (besides the fact i can play for free!) is the vast number of things you can do in it. Hack/Arch, Missions, Manufacutring, Invention, Hauling and Trading, Pirating, Wormholes, PI, Incursions, are some of the most obvious... It caters to a large number of different play styles. WiS will cater to people who want to identify more with their character, and dress them up, etc
Again, you might not enjoy that, but many people do. Just look at Team Fortress 2... AKA Hat Fortress 2 AKA Team Hatress 2, AKA Internet Hat Simulator |
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Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2011.11.07 10:24:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:I think a lot of it comes from expecting to pay for something thatGÇÖs otherwise free. I think it seems like that very much when youGÇÖre a player, although a lot of this stuff wouldnGÇÖt actually exist if we didnGÇÖt have a revenue stream to make it. So, when you have people that do clothing and all that stuff, you donGÇÖt hire them because you have an abundance of money. You hire them because youGÇÖre hoping that will keep itself running. And I think a lot of players expect that clothing would be made free, but the truth is that the five-to-ten artists you hire for this actually get paid through [virtual goods sales].
I think some people also feel that the subscription is enough. Even though buying virtual goods is strictly voluntary, they kind of feel like itGÇÖs something they should be buying. And theyGÇÖve already spent their 15 bucks, so theyGÇÖre like GÇ£Why am I being forced to buy this?GÇ¥ I completely understand that sentiment. I think if people have complaints you should listen and respect their opinion. Honesly Soundwave's complete ignorance is starting to show. A few thoughts based on his comments.
* Based on his theory then the new ships should appear in the NEX Store because CCP needed people to design and produce them. * Should we be charged for the new nebulae's as didn't CCP get in someone to consult with them to make they were correctly done. * So CCP outsourced the design of clothing thinking that would be a good idea. * Why were designers highered that have (let's face facts here) no idea how to create clothes that even remotely match the EVE universe. Did these people read any of the EVE lore, I think not. * Why were the clothes, etc not delivered within the game via sandbox gameplay, or better yet with any gamplay at all. * 5-10 artists with zero imagination. CCP must have scoured the fashion industry to find that many crap designers. * Soundwave does know about PLEX, doesn't he. * His attempts at justification fall very short, he needs to do a marketing/sales course because he's failing miserably at the moment to sell people pure bs.
I for one expected clothing, etc to be integrated into the game via worthwhile gameplay that adds value to EVE and kept both CCP and the playerbase happy about it's inclusion. Instead Soundwave seems to think the playerbase should be happy by the way it has been done, which is in direct opposition to the sandbox game that is EVE.
You know if Soundwave and CCP really cared for EVE then they would have had the players themselves submit designs and just have one person at CCP proofing and prioritizing the designs. Now that would have added something to the game, further involving the playerbase and could of been used in a similar fashion as the design a ship contest. No outside designer knows the game and the lore better than the players themselves.
CCP got so many things wrong with what should have been a fundemental expansion to the gamplay of EVE. Instead they cheapened WiS in favour of what? chasing microtransactions on top of PLEX. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2011.11.07 13:27:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Ideas for WiS game play content has already been posted numerous times within this thread but you still don't want to acknowledge it. Seems all you really want to do is continuously berate and belittle anyone who posts a positive viewpoint about WiS.
There is nothing to aknowledge when it comes to wet dreams by those that shed tears over WiS. DeMichael Crimson wrote:Your character was created on 2009.10.21which makes your statement a lie. Either that or you lack the courage to post with your main character. What about you? Isn't your character an alt as well? As you say, Alpheias was created more than a year ago. But my account was created in May 6th 2003. Believe it or not, it is up to you.
lol, first you ask players to post how WiS could add new game content to eve and when they do, you don't want to see it and just continue with your rant. That type of reaction and attitude along with your statement about wet dreams due to WiS tears is largely viewed as a pre-teen mentality. Definitely not the actions associated with a mature adult or someone that's been playing this game since what, 2003? Yeah, right.
By the way, this is my main character. I don't hide behind a forum posting alt.
mkint wrote: I still haven't heard anything concrete as to how WiS was going to EVER improve EVE. Just "it's the future" and "it'll be awesomeGäó" and "your computer is sh!t, get a new one." One of those is more concrete than the others. Guess which one.
Well, since you asked, I'll go with "your computer is sh!t, get a new one."
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Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
11
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Posted - 2011.11.07 13:36:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote: No, what pissed people off (and rightly so) was the NeX store. People are not very good at separating issues, though: "Me mad at NeX, me mad at Incarna! Grrr!"
This. WiS /= NeX. |
Luh Windan
Ancient Motorboats
2
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Posted - 2011.11.07 13:44:00 -
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(tl;dr I've worked in software for long enough (decades) to spot a failing project by now. WiS was never going to deliver anything useful before the game stagnated totally and so they killed it - so stop moaning. you ain't getting it back)
Anyone who thinks that WiS was just stopped because of players moaning clearly hasn't worked in the software industry.
It is clear that WiS was consuming a large number of resources, detracting from the bit of the game that had actual game play (FiS) and after a huge amount of work had delivered what? a character that could move about a bit in a room. The character rendering bit must have taken a huge amount of work all by itself.
As someone who works in the software industry myself and if it was my project to run I'd be looking at what they have done so far and thinking: it's going to be more than a year maybe two before it delivers even basic gameplay features and in the meantime the thing that works and brings in money will have stayed still for a long long time.
CCP had made some stupid decisions and not realised the consequences of them until now. But having finally done so they have sensibly drawn a line and changed tack before it killed them.
If it was me - I'd be looking for an off the shelf graphics engine and working primarily on the 'WiS' gameplay, assuming they have even thought that far, and even then it's a *huge* amount of work from here to there.
And as for that gameplay - what is it going to be? If it's mini-games then all the people categorised as 'care bears' won't be interested - we are all busy flying around. If it's part of the whole eve thing - how soon before people are 'ganked' in a station with a head full of expensive implants before there are endless tears on here.
Anyway I'd quit moaning - they killed it because it wasn't going to deliver anything not because of players moaning. The moaning was just a useful peg to hang it all on. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
125
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Posted - 2011.11.07 14:32:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:lol, first you ask players to post how WiS could add new game content to eve and when they do, you don't want to see it and just continue with your rant. That type of reaction and attitude along with your statement about wet dreams due to WiS tears is largely viewed as a pre-teen mentality. Definitely not the actions associated with a mature adult or someone that's been playing this game since what, 2003? Yeah, right.
By the way, this is my main character. I don't hide behind a forum posting alt.
sooo, since I'm a vet, I'm legit?
AWESOME! I SHALL RULE ALL OVER THEE AND FOR EVERMORE!
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
MNagy
Yo-Mama Quixotic Hegemony
28
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Posted - 2011.11.07 14:54:00 -
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Only speak for yourself...
I could care less about walking in stations.
This game is about flying spaceships, not about barbie dolls.
M. |
Tristan North
The Scope
35
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Posted - 2011.11.07 14:59:00 -
[1027] - Quote
MNagy wrote:Only speak for yourself...
I could care less about walking in stations.
This game is about flying spaceships, not about barbie dolls.
M. Shut up, this game is about flying barbies. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:08:00 -
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ok ppl... i read this and i dont give a damn about your "dont change anything" opinion... i want to walk. and you that are saying... don't upgrade anything in game because my super-duper 486 PC with 66mhz in Turbo mode cant run anything... well that's your problem and world wont stop spining because of you. and second part of "no to WiS" ppl... aka bitter vets... that think "i like it like it was 2003. and i don't want anything new because it will drove new players (aka noobs) in game and that will ruin all for me"... and ill un-sub all 99999 of my accounts and jump from bridge... well you should do that years ago...
I want that EVE and CCP prosper and give us the best experience they can make... and they can only do with new "noobs" joining the game and their real world money. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
73
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:14:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote: I'm sure not everyone will agree that there are any advantages to WiS, however, there are many who will enjoy WiS.
(...)
WiS will cater to people who want to identify more with their character, and dress them up, etc.
I like that you brought up the two in the same sentence, as it offers me a good opportunity to expound a bit on the matter. :)
I like role-playing games. Not the board game kind where you have to roll dice and stuff, but the modern variety, like Bioware offers in their games. And when they came with Mass Effect, I was elated: Space Sci-Fi + RPG = epic win! I spent literally hours behind their character creator, trying to come up with someone who was me. 'Playing dress-up' doesn't do it justice; because, as you say, it's about identifying with your character (the character doesn't necessarily have to resemble you, btw; often it's about 'narcissistic identification;' i.e. about how you would like to look; but I digress).
Identifying with the character you created is a conditio sine qua non in the RPG world: if you cannot identify with your avatar, immersion will not occur (not on character level, at least). That is a cardinal rule. Another one, derived from the former, is uniqueness. We're all individuals. If you can't create a unique looking avatar, immersion will again not occur (or only very superficially, like a vague notion you're a guy running around with a big gun).
That is why customizable avatars are so wickedly popular. Not because large portions of the population all of a sudden decided to behave like six-year-old girls wanting to dress up their dolls, but because Incarna offered grown-ups and kids alike the prospect of being truly immersive: on a character level as well.
When a kind of TV were invented that allowed you to be 100% immersed (picture some futuristic holographic gear or some such) people would immediately realize what a smashing hit that would be. Incarna would have been a big leap towards that reality.
So, as someone who would have loved to have immersed, deeply, I regret they dumped the project, in favor of an angry mob who only ever wants to keep things 'as is.' And I therefore ask them not to axe it.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Richard Aiel
Point of No Return Waterboard
27
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:25:00 -
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Mekela wrote:We don't want a huge team working on it, we want "a team". We want it to grow. And don't give me "It can't work right now" How many MMO's are there that are face to face interaction, and your saying they can't do it on a smaller scale right now?
No... theyre saying it was meant as a beta program for WoD and now that that game is "on the back burner" so is WiS.
Avila Cracko wrote:ok ppl... i read this and i dont give a damn about your "dont change anything" opinion... i want to walk. and you that are saying... don't upgrade anything in game because my super-duper 486 PC with 66mhz in Turbo mode cant run anything... well that's your problem and world wont stop spining because of you. and second part of "no to WiS" ppl... aka bitter vets... that think "i like it like it was 2003. and i don't want anything new because it will drove new players (aka noobs) in game and that will ruin all for me"... and ill un-sub all 99999 of my accounts and jump from bridge... well you should do that years ago...
I want that EVE and CCP prosper and give us the best experience they can make... and they can only do with new "noobs" joining the game and their real world money.
Star Trek Online is that way ---> I hear its going free to play.
Dont bring that horseshit into this game unless they make it so we can kill ppl in stations. "If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |
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Tristan North
The Scope
37
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:47:00 -
[1031] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:
Star Trek Online is that way ---> I hear its going free to play.
Dont bring that horseshit into this game unless they make it so we can kill ppl in stations.
Arrogant as ****.
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Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
101
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:51:00 -
[1032] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:ok ppl... i read this and i dont give a damn about your "dont change anything" opinion... i want to walk. and you that are saying... don't upgrade anything in game because my super-duper 486 PC with 66mhz in Turbo mode cant run anything... well that's your problem and world wont stop spining because of you. and second part of "no to WiS" ppl... aka bitter vets... that think "i like it like it was 2003. and i don't want anything new because it will drove new players (aka noobs) in game and that will ruin all for me"... and ill un-sub all 99999 of my accounts and jump from bridge... well you should do that years ago...
I want that EVE and CCP prosper and give us the best experience they can make... and they can only do with new "noobs" joining the game and their real world money.
look at little princess stomping his/her feet. I am really glad you didn't get your way. just sayin CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
27
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Posted - 2011.11.07 17:05:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Che Biko wrote:Alpheias wrote:So let's talk about actual gameplay, interaction and PvP. It seems you haven't watched "A Future Vision". Go watch it.[..] It seems that you haven't watched neither of Loxyrider's "This is EVE" and "This is EVE II". I haven't seen space barbie in either but there is some actual social player interaction, in REAL LIFE. I have, actually. I wonder what made think otherwise. I think you completely missed the point of the video I linked and in compensating for that you link two videos with the apparent purpose being to demonstrate that you think EVE should be 90% pew-pew...in your very own, might I add, subjective opinion. Yeah I know, I mean here we are, all witing down our opinions. In general, opinions are subjective. Do we have to state the obvious?
Your comment about reading a novel to get the complete sci-fi universe is about as useful as me suggesting you to watch those videos you linked to get your FiS fix.
Richard Hammond II wrote:There are links to where they told the WoD players incarna was "just a prototype" so they didnt worry that was the tech they were gonna get in their game. I hope that you're not talking about this quote: Quote:Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced. ...because then you've very conveniently added the word "just". |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
27
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Posted - 2011.11.07 17:08:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:My source is SiSi, which still can't support more than 1 avatar in an area at once. The Incarna engine is still a long, long way from being able to support gameplay. This isn't in dispute. it's a simple evident fact. Yeah, word is they stopped working on Incarna. Why would they put something on the test server if there's no immediate need to test it? If there is a simple indisputable evident fact, point me to it.
Ladie Harlot wrote:That's because it's clear that this thread is 5% you and other people who really want Space Barbie and 95% people trolling you for it. Nice troll there, I'll bite: It is clear to people who actually read this thread and count the likes that it's more like the opposite.
MNagy wrote:Only speak for yourself...[..]This game is about flying spaceships, not about barbie dolls. Quoted for irony. |
MNagy
Yo-Mama Quixotic Hegemony
28
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Posted - 2011.11.07 17:21:00 -
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Tristan North wrote:MNagy wrote:Only speak for yourself...
I could care less about walking in stations.
This game is about flying spaceships, not about barbie dolls.
M. Shut up, this game is about flying barbies.
LOL |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
79
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Posted - 2011.11.07 17:41:00 -
[1036] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:My source is SiSi, which still can't support more than 1 avatar in an area at once. The Incarna engine is still a long, long way from being able to support gameplay. This isn't in dispute. it's a simple evident fact. 'Fact' has a funny way of being perceived differently by different people. :)
I have a reasonably decent rig (i7 980X, GTX 580, 12G RAM). And my computer rips thru Incarna like a knife thru butter (everything maxed out @ 1920x1200). I recall some bitter lamenting -- especially from the Russian botting community - about their old video cards not being able to handle it; but I tell you, though, a modern GFX card, inside a modern PC, has no problem with Incarna whatsoever. And I have yet to see it behave buggy on me.
Ironically, I guess it's all part of the same deal: much like EVE needs to evolve, sometimes people need to upgrade their hardware too. Progress is the law eternal.
P.S. Not to start a whole sh*tstorm again over people's vid cards allegedly frying and all; but this thread is full of people saying Incarna is barely even beta, and I thought it would be a good idea to point that those with decent hardware can actually run Incarna just fine. Just sayin'.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2011.11.07 17:46:00 -
[1037] - Quote
Luh Windan wrote: I've worked in software for long enough (decades) to spot a failing project by now. WiS was never going to deliver anything useful before the game stagnated totally and so they killed it - so stop moaning. you ain't getting it back ...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................And as for that gameplay - what is it going to be? If it's mini-games then all the people categorised as 'care bears' won't be interested - we are all busy flying around. If it's part of the whole eve thing - how soon before people are 'ganked' in a station with a head full of expensive implants before there are endless tears on here.
Anyway I'd quit moaning - they killed it because it wasn't going to deliver anything not because of players moaning. The moaning was just a useful peg to hang it all on.
CCP didn't kill WiS. They merely placed it on the back burner for an undetermined amount of time. Meaning they could resume it within a few months or a few years. Going by CCP's track record for finishing game content, chances are it may be a few years. This thread is about asking CCP to not make the mistake of letting it sit for years.
For someone who's supposedly been working in software for decades, you seem to be rather short sighted by viewing the possible WiS game content added as either being 'one or the other' extreme instead of seeing the middle ground.
Of course if you had even bothered to read through this thread then you would have seen all the different ideas for WiS game content, some of those ideas even included FiS working with WiS.
You seem to think there's only pro-WiS moaning in this thread when in reality there's also a lot of con-WiS moaning happening. So in closing I'll restate this once again, just in case you missed it the first time, WiS has not been killed. |
Jita Alt666
467
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Posted - 2011.11.07 19:46:00 -
[1038] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:WiS has not been killed.
Just been put on hold until they need to retest the engine for WOD when they decide to work on that game. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
687
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Posted - 2011.11.07 19:52:00 -
[1039] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:ok ppl... i read this and i dont give a damn about your "dont change anything" opinion... i want to walk. What is stopping you? You can log in right now and walk around a rusted out room to your heart's content. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
687
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Posted - 2011.11.07 19:54:00 -
[1040] - Quote
Che Biko wrote:Nice troll there, I'll bite: It is clear to people who actually read this thread and count the likes that it's more like the opposite. Oh boy are you dumb. The "Likes" are meaningless if there is no "Don't Like" button. On top of that, CCP cares way more about people canceling their subscriptions than forum "Likes".
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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mkint
292
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Posted - 2011.11.07 19:58:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Luh Windan wrote: I've worked in software for long enough (decades) to spot a failing project by now. WiS was never going to deliver anything useful before the game stagnated totally and so they killed it - so stop moaning. you ain't getting it back ...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................And as for that gameplay - what is it going to be? If it's mini-games then all the people categorised as 'care bears' won't be interested - we are all busy flying around. If it's part of the whole eve thing - how soon before people are 'ganked' in a station with a head full of expensive implants before there are endless tears on here.
Anyway I'd quit moaning - they killed it because it wasn't going to deliver anything not because of players moaning. The moaning was just a useful peg to hang it all on. CCP didn't kill WiS. They merely placed it on the back burner for an undetermined amount of time. Meaning they could resume it within a few months or a few years. Going by CCP's track record for finishing game content, chances are it may be a few years. This thread is about asking CCP to not make the mistake of letting it sit for years. For someone who's supposedly been working in software for decades, you seem to be rather short sighted by viewing the possible WiS game content added as either being 'one or the other' extreme instead of seeing the middle ground. Of course if you had even bothered to read through this thread then you would have seen all the different ideas for WiS game content, some of those ideas even included FiS working with WiS. You seem to think there's only pro-WiS moaning in this thread when in reality there's also a lot of con-WiS moaning happening. So in closing I'll restate this once again, just in case you missed it the first time, WiS has not been killed. EVE would be a better place if WiS was allowed to sit for several years, while CCP finally got around to finishing all the expansions previous. In fact, it'd be nice if they went back and finished at least one expansion. WiS as it is now is enough to sucker in all the stupid rookies with false representation of the game. That's all it was meant to do. It's as feature complete as was ever intended. It's done. The end. Consider yourself lucky to be getting racials. |
Richard Aiel
Point of No Return Waterboard
27
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Posted - 2011.11.07 20:11:00 -
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Tristan North wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:
Star Trek Online is that way ---> I hear its going free to play.
Dont bring that horseshit into this game unless they make it so we can kill ppl in stations.
Arrogant as ****.
"Cool story brah"
and yet, not wrong.
So, go play that. buh bye now
But yeah cause arrogance in EVE is SUCH a horrible thing. This crowd is SO well known for their meekness. Amirite?
Avila Cracko wrote:ok ppl... i read this and i dont give a damn about your "dont change anything" opinion... i want to walk.
k, turn off the computer, get up, dust off the Cheetos remains, open the door "Outside" and do it. Gods knows you could prolly use it, I know I could.
Che Biko wrote: ...because then you've very conveniently added the word "just".
so.... in your warped interpretation, the reason they killed WiS RIGHT after killing WoD is ...what? cooincidence?
lol what you smokin over there? "If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |
Richard Aiel
Point of No Return Waterboard
27
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Posted - 2011.11.07 20:11:00 -
[1043] - Quote
highly paid web guys -.- "If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
83
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Posted - 2011.11.07 20:16:00 -
[1044] - Quote
2005 player and not so bitter vet and I want to see walking station.
Walking in Stations was first shown, as a concept in March 06 and announced as something for the future in November 06. Everybody knew it was coming, if you don't and feel like crying about space barbies feel free to do so, but the WiS threads will not go away and one day CCP will have to continue development there. |
Richard Aiel
Point of No Return Waterboard
27
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Posted - 2011.11.07 20:19:00 -
[1045] - Quote
Che Biko wrote: Nice troll there, I'll bite: It is clear to people who actually read this thread and count the likes that it's more like the opposite.
again: cause likes matter........
"If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
689
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Posted - 2011.11.07 20:22:00 -
[1046] - Quote
Yeah if your argument is reliant on the number of forum "Likes" you receive it's probably time to throw in the towel.
I have 680 likes so I must be right. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
161
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Posted - 2011.11.07 21:10:00 -
[1047] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Yeah if your argument is reliant on the number of forum "Likes" you receive it's probably time to throw in the towel.
I have 680 likes so I must be right.
Having your own alts go back and 'Like' all of your posts doesn't count.
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Rocco Battaglia
Rocco's New Legacy
1
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Posted - 2011.11.07 21:20:00 -
[1048] - Quote
BTW, guys its not like WIS is not coming its just being delayed 2 expansions. I want WIS myself and have been waiting for it to come, but at the moment I will just have to wait longer. The hole reason it was delayed this time was to make the FIS poeple happy by giving the some of the things they want, then back to working on WIS. So its only delayed till next winter at the most, because most of the work is done. So do what I'm doing and wait for it. I do like the up coming changes coming this winter and its going to kick ass. And we will get the 2nd part of it in the summer, then I be leave WIS comes after. Have to make the FIS baby's happy first, lol.
I suport CCP, and I can't wait till I can meet you guys in the bar. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
204
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Posted - 2011.11.07 22:09:00 -
[1049] - Quote
Rocco Battaglia wrote:So its only delayed till next winter at the most,
Unacceptable. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Idami Raptor
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
2
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Posted - 2011.11.07 22:46:00 -
[1050] - Quote
I think we need to reappropriate the term 'Incarna'. Simply put, the 'Incarna' expansion was NOT Incarna: it was such a small fraction of what we were all told Incarna was going to be it's not even close to the same. So why use a seperate term for the unreleased majority of it?
That's the real problem with it: No real content. It's also why the NEX is in trouble: nobody else but you can see most of your fancy, expensive clothes, so why buy them?
The answer to that is pretty simple: Don't give in to the marketing, and keep referring to 'Incarna' as the unreleased feature that it actually is. They need a good slap upside the face for pulling that one, frankly, and that'd be a good way of accomplishing it. |
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Travis J Penken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 23:16:00 -
[1051] - Quote
Ranka, I think it's you who can't seperate Incarna from NEXt.
I never in my post complained about the store, i frankly dont give a damn about what people spend their money on, as long as it's vanity items, witch CCP failed to communicate, utterly.
The lack of any content for the Captains Quater is what pissed everyone off. I unsubbed, been gone since summer and just came back to find this thread. The point is, what WAS released as the INCARNA release was utter crap. What we players EXPECTED was not crap. Other issue: PI expansion was utter crap - we players didnt EXPECT utter crap.
Combine the 2 latest updates, PI and WIS as "content" upgrades for 18 months in this game, and the sum of those 2 failures to deliver anything playable/enjoyable/content, compared to what we were let believe we got, that is where CCP failed to deliver... Again.
The real travesty is, that most players (including myself) was looking forward to WiS, but what we got was far from those expectations.
What may keep me in this game is not WiS however, even though I was a huge fan of Babylon V and Deep Space 9 series, i could have fun on a spacestaion, im sure. What kept me watchin those series was not the stations though, it was the epic battles with ... spaceships. While the WiS may have some interresting sidestorys attached to it, the main story still plays out in space, not in stations.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
93
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Posted - 2011.11.08 00:21:00 -
[1052] - Quote
I really wish CCP would comment on this thread already. A large proportion of players clearly want WiS (but not at the expense of FiS obviously).
CCP. How dead is WiS? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Jita Alt666
478
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Posted - 2011.11.08 00:38:00 -
[1053] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:I really wish CCP would comment on this thread already. A large proportion of players clearly want WiS (but not at the expense of FiS obviously).
CCP. How dead is WiS?
AS dead as WOD. How dead is WOD? |
Tristan North
The Scope
38
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Posted - 2011.11.08 02:49:00 -
[1054] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:I really wish CCP would comment on this thread already. A large proportion of players clearly want WiS (but not at the expense of FiS obviously).
CCP. How dead is WiS?
That's it, not very clear though.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
696
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Posted - 2011.11.08 02:59:00 -
[1055] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:A large proportion of players clearly want WiS CCP. No they don't.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
696
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Posted - 2011.11.08 02:59:00 -
[1056] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yeah if your argument is reliant on the number of forum "Likes" you receive it's probably time to throw in the towel.
I have 680 likes so I must be right. Having your own alts go back and 'Like' all of your posts doesn't count. Is irony always lost on you?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.11.08 03:24:00 -
[1057] - Quote
Ranka Mei wrote:Malcanis wrote:My source is SiSi, which still can't support more than 1 avatar in an area at once. The Incarna engine is still a long, long way from being able to support gameplay. This isn't in dispute. it's a simple evident fact. 'Fact' has a funny way of being perceived differently by different people. :) I have a reasonably decent rig (i7 980X, GTX 580, 12G RAM). And my computer rips thru Incarna like a knife thru butter (everything maxed out @ 1920x1200). I recall some bitter lamenting -- especially from the Russian botting community - about their old video cards not being able to handle it; but I tell you, though, a modern GFX card, inside a modern PC, has no problem with Incarna whatsoever. And I have yet to see it behave buggy on me. Ironically, I guess it's all part of the same deal: much like EVE needs to evolve, sometimes people need to upgrade their hardware too. Progress is the law eternal. P.S. Not to start a whole sh*tstorm again over people's vid cards allegedly frying and all; but this thread is full of people saying Incarna is barely even beta, and I thought it would be a good idea to point that those with decent hardware can actually run Incarna just fine. Just sayin'.
i know right? you stupid peasant noobs without i7 980x, gtx580 should just gtfo of eve wow is that way ---->
stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
Tristan North
The Scope
38
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Posted - 2011.11.08 03:29:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:A large proportion of players clearly want WiS CCP. No they don't. Really?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
696
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Posted - 2011.11.08 03:30:00 -
[1059] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:A large proportion of players clearly want WiS CCP. No they don't. Really? No joke.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2011.11.08 05:54:00 -
[1060] - Quote
CCP also needs to consider the vote of players NOT currently playing EVE, or never have... they have a greater vote than those who are already involved because they represent untapped potential. CCP should be looking at what everyone who isn't already paying and figure out what it would take to bring them in, then work towards capitalizing on those markets in a way that is friendly to their Intellectual Property and expand.
You and I are already customers; we've paid our dues and they 'have' us as fans. It's the people that aren't yet paying that CCP needs to entice into joining. Like it or not, 'space barbies' is very attractive to new players and solid character gameplay can really sell a game.
(Yes, I know I said 'solid' gameplay. Incarna needs RELEVANT gameplay before it will keep players hooked). |
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Jita Alt666
481
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Posted - 2011.11.08 06:22:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yeah if your argument is reliant on the number of forum "Likes" you receive it's probably time to throw in the towel.
I have 680 likes so I must be right. Having your own alts go back and 'Like' all of your posts doesn't count.
Well that explains your likes away then. |
mkint
302
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Posted - 2011.11.08 06:50:00 -
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Valkris Arkayne wrote:CCP also needs to consider the vote of players NOT currently playing EVE, or never have... they have a greater vote than those who are already involved because they represent untapped potential. CCP should be looking at what everyone who isn't already paying and figure out what it would take to bring them in, then work towards capitalizing on those markets in a way that is friendly to their Intellectual Property and expand.
You and I are already customers; we've paid our dues and they 'have' us as fans. It's the people that aren't yet paying that CCP needs to entice into joining. Like it or not, 'space barbies' is very attractive to new players and solid character gameplay can really sell a game.
(Yes, I know I said 'solid' gameplay. Incarna needs RELEVANT gameplay before it will keep players hooked). While you do make some good points, you're still missing one key thing:
Retention
Space Barbies needs AT LEAST another 2+ years of development to even begin to retain people by it's own merits. EVE, on the other hand was broken 2 years ago, and still doesn't look like it's really getting fixed this winter. EVE has a churn rate of about 6 months, which isn't very long. I've known lots and lots of people who have tried EVE (that I did not meet in-game) but I'm the only person I've ever met IRL that has stuck with it. If their churn rate was 3 years instead of 6 months, CCP could afford to ignore FIS more, and we would be in the millions of subscribers.
Now, I don't expect Winter to fix EVE. They didn't really start working on it until just a few weeks ago. In fact, with Winter, I'm just watching close to make sure CCP doesn't screw anything up too badly (and there have already been a few red flags.) What I still desperately want to know are the plans for Summer. That's when we'll know if CCP ever really plans to fix EVE. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
150
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Posted - 2011.11.08 06:53:00 -
[1063] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
lol, first you ask players to post how WiS could add new game content to eve and when they do, you don't want to see it and just continue with your rant. That type of reaction and attitude along with your statement about wet dreams due to WiS tears is largely viewed as a pre-teen mentality. Definitely not the actions associated with a mature adult or someone that's been playing this game since what, 2003? Yeah, right.
By the way, this is my main character. I don't hide behind a forum posting alt.
Of course, I am going to ask those that are for WiS when I am not and you are absolutely right, I don't see much point in them because the suggestions frankly scream "by roleplayers for roleplayers" and they do sound like wet dreams... like my wet dream of dropping bombs in empire.
So if I go by your logic now, if I had a 2003 character, I would have a little more weight behind it and since Alpheias is from 2009, my account possibly cannot? BRB then - going to buy a 2003 character. Great logic there by the way.
Oh, for the record, nor do I hide behind a alt.
Che Biko wrote:
I have, actually. I wonder what made think otherwise. I think you completely missed the point of the video I linked and in compensating for that you link two videos with the apparent purpose being to demonstrate that you think EVE should be 90% pew-pew...in your very own, might I add, subjective opinion. Yeah I know, I mean here we are, all witing down our opinions. In general, opinions are subjective. Do we have to state the obvious?
I think it is you that are reading too much into a trailer of a possible future for a sci-fi MMO. What is obvious is that it hasn't really sunk in for you yet but my very subjective opinion of pewpew is shared by many, and by those at CCP and is going to be the focus now. Beg again for WiS in 18 months or so.
Che Biko wrote: Your comment about reading a novel to get the complete sci-fi universe is about as useful as me suggesting you to watch those videos you linked to get your FiS fix.
Don't hate me because you lack imagination. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2011.11.08 07:02:00 -
[1064] - Quote
mkint wrote:... you're still missing one key thing:
Retention
Space Barbies needs AT LEAST another 2+ years of development to even begin to retain people by it's own merits...
Fair enough. And agreed.
Incarna can't succeed or hope to maintain new customers if there isn't RELEVANT gameplay. Not just dress-up, but something to do that will engage new players for a year or more. We all agree that Incarna wasn't ready, and even diehard WiS supporters such as myself were sorely disappointed. The refocus on FiS is a good strategy in the short-term, as long as CCP keeps one eye on the long-term growth of EVE.
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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
100
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Posted - 2011.11.08 07:13:00 -
[1065] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote:CCP also needs to consider the vote of players NOT currently playing EVE, or never have... they have a greater vote than those who are already involved because they represent untapped potential. CCP should be looking at what everyone who isn't already paying and figure out what it would take to bring them in, then work towards capitalizing on those markets in a way that is friendly to their Intellectual Property and expand.
You and I are already customers; we've paid our dues and they 'have' us as fans. It's the people that aren't yet paying that CCP needs to entice into joining. Like it or not, 'space barbies' is very attractive to new players and solid character gameplay can really sell a game.
(Yes, I know I said 'solid' gameplay. Incarna needs RELEVANT gameplay before it will keep players hooked). Sounds very similar to another game where they chased new customers at the expense of the existing ones ... Star Wars Galaxies.
CCP have already found out that you cannot assume the current players will stick around if you ignore the very reasons they joined up for in the first place.
For WiS to work it needs interesting long term things to do. Even with what was shown in Ambulation I do not believe that there will be hordes of new players attracted to EVE. The audience can be broadened, but one thing that wont attract new players is the NEX Store and in fact from looking at other forums turns people off from even trying EVE.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Lilliana Stelles
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 08:02:00 -
[1066] - Quote
I don't even want to read back through all this spergbearding, but I certainly want to voice my opinion. There's alot of "Eve is about this or that", and the only ones remotely qualified to determine what Eve is about are the developers. It's only a sandbox if the developers fill it full of sand. If they want to fill it full of mud or glitter, that's their choice. You can pay for it or not.
Onto the point, I, as a user, would enjoy seeing Eve develop in a new direction. Games can get quite mundane and boring when there is a lack of social interaction. I'm personally not interested in trash-talking people who pew pew with me, and I feel that interacting solely with members of my corporation is somewhat antisocial.
WiS is a wonderful opportunity for players to actually interact with each other and meet each other in a civil, respectable manner. Personally, I'd love the chance to have my avatar sit down at the bar with a long rival and actually discuss what's gone on without being hit by a 283490728isk charge for chatting with them, or getting **** from whatever alliance I'm in for breaking silence in local. This is a social game, dammit, let there be player interaction outside of just public channels.
Pew pew is sortof silly when you're fighting nameless avatars who do nothing but spam trashtalk at you or maintain radio silence... but when you're fighting people you know, people who you respect, gentlemen and scholars, then there's actually some sense of honor and respect for your opponents, and an understanding of the gravity of what everyone is engaging in, which brings the game to an entirely new and realistic level for everyone involved.
Please, CCP, humanize the game. Don't push WiS back any further. It should have been here from the beginning. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.11.08 08:21:00 -
[1067] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote:I don't even want to read back through all this spergbearding, but I certainly want to voice my opinion. There's alot of "Eve is about this or that", and the only ones remotely qualified to determine what Eve is about are the developers. It's only a sandbox if the developers fill it full of sand. If they want to fill it full of mud or glitter, that's their choice. You can pay for it or not.
Onto the point, I, as a user, would enjoy seeing Eve develop in a new direction. Games can get quite mundane and boring when there is a lack of social interaction. I'm personally not interested in trash-talking people who pew pew with me, and I feel that interacting solely with members of my corporation is somewhat antisocial.
WiS is a wonderful opportunity for players to actually interact with each other and meet each other in a civil, respectable manner. Personally, I'd love the chance to have my avatar sit down at the bar with a long rival and actually discuss what's gone on without being hit by a 283490728isk charge for chatting with them, or getting **** from whatever alliance I'm in for breaking silence in local. This is a social game, dammit, let there be player interaction outside of just public channels.
Pew pew is sortof silly when you're fighting nameless avatars who do nothing but spam trashtalk at you or maintain radio silence... but when you're fighting people you know, people who you respect, gentlemen and scholars, then there's actually some sense of honor and respect for your opponents, and an understanding of the gravity of what everyone is engaging in, which brings the game to an entirely new and realistic level for everyone involved.
Please, CCP, humanize the game. Don't push WiS back any further. It should have been here from the beginning.
damn you are dumb formal complaint to your alliance diplos sent stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
Lilliana Stelles
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 08:27:00 -
[1068] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:damn you are dumb formal complaint to your alliance diplos sent
Good job. Actually learning to talk to other players. At least we're making progress. You can complain to whoever you want, alliances are just that: alliances of players who enjoy working together and share common ideals. Not some totalitarian regime dedicated to controlling or censoring its players moves.
If you're in an alliance that actually gives a **** what you say on the forums (assuming you aren't jeopardizing them or revealing strategic tactical information) , then you're in the wrong alliance. I don't allow my actions to be controlled by some sperg who doesn't get out. Maybe you do... but that makes it all the more ironic that you're calling me dumb. |
Jita Alt666
481
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Posted - 2011.11.08 08:32:00 -
[1069] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:damn you are dumb formal complaint to your alliance diplos sent Good job. Actually learning to talk to other players. At least we're making progress. You can complain to whoever you want, alliances are just that: alliances of players who enjoy working together and share common ideals. Not some totalitarian regime dedicated to controlling or censoring its players moves. If you're in an alliance that actually gives a **** what you say on the forums (assuming you aren't jeopardizing them or revealing strategic tactical information) , then you're in the wrong alliance. I don't allow my actions to be controlled by some sperg across the internet who doesn't get out. Maybe you do... but that makes it all the more ironic that you're calling me dumb. If you seriously think complaining about what I'm saying (when I'm not breaking any rules, game nor alliance), is going to have some sort of impact, then you seriously overestimate yourself. I want WiS. I support it. And no alliance can tell me not to.
Nerds need social interaction to Lilliana. My alliance is the right alliance - it always will be.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.11.08 09:38:00 -
[1070] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:damn you are dumb formal complaint to your alliance diplos sent Good job. Actually learning to talk to other players. At least we're making progress. You can complain to whoever you want, alliances are just that: alliances of players who enjoy working together and share common ideals. Not some totalitarian regime dedicated to controlling or censoring its players moves. If you're in an alliance that actually gives a **** what you say on the forums (assuming you aren't jeopardizing them or revealing strategic tactical information) , then you're in the wrong alliance. I don't allow my actions to be controlled by some sperg across the internet who doesn't get out. Maybe you do... but that makes it all the more ironic that you're calling me dumb. If you seriously think complaining about what I'm saying (when I'm not breaking any rules, game nor alliance), is going to have some sort of impact, then you seriously overestimate yourself. I want WiS. I support it. And no alliance can tell me not to.
and again you are stupid
everything you said in your original post, has zero meaningful gameplay, you can already do all that without wis, you may be sitting in the same room with avatar but you are still typing, you want to avoid paying 283490728isk charge for chatting, what does that have to do with wis? it may be that you are known to be stupid and people block you nameless? dude we all have a name it is sort of required when creating a character, you mean faceless? yup we got faces too in the portrait
"but when you're fighting people you know, people who you respect, gentlemen and scholars, then there's actually some sense of honor and respect for your opponents, and an understanding of the gravity of what everyone is engaging in, which brings the game to an entirely new and realistic level for everyone involved. " i am so stupid i just can't see what this bit and your whole post has to do with wis.
stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
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Richard Aiel
Point of No Return Waterboard
30
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Posted - 2011.11.08 09:40:00 -
[1071] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yeah if your argument is reliant on the number of forum "Likes" you receive it's probably time to throw in the towel.
I have 680 likes so I must be right. Having your own alts go back and 'Like' all of your posts doesn't count.
So, how many of your alts have "like"d this thread? How many of the "like"s that have gone for this thread were original accounts?
THATS why likes dont mean ****.
"If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
213
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Posted - 2011.11.08 11:14:00 -
[1072] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:and again you are stupid
everything you said in your original post, has zero meaningful gameplay, you can already do all that without wis, you may be sitting in the same room with avatar but you are still typing, you want to avoid paying 283490728isk charge for chatting, what does that have to do with wis? it may be that you are known to be stupid and people block you nameless? dude we all have a name it is sort of required when creating a character, you mean faceless? yup we got faces too in the portrait
"but when you're fighting people you know, people who you respect, gentlemen and scholars, then there's actually some sense of honor and respect for your opponents, and an understanding of the gravity of what everyone is engaging in, which brings the game to an entirely new and realistic level for everyone involved. " i am so stupid i just can't see what this bit and your whole post has to do with wis.
"STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!" Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
150
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Posted - 2011.11.08 14:02:00 -
[1073] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote: then you seriously overestimate yourself.
As you overestimate relevance of WiS.
You talk about wanting to socialize with people in EVE, perhaps you should start saving for Fanfest? There you will meet actual people that plays EVE or is that prospect too terrifying? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
706
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Posted - 2011.11.08 14:34:00 -
[1074] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote:You and I are already customers; we've paid our dues and they 'have' us as fans. Actually they don't and they found this out over the summer. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
15
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:55:00 -
[1075] - Quote
Disclamer: I've only read the first post because... 43 pages so that's what I'm responding to.
CCP's quote is correct, more people want spaceships and FIS, and I think it's appropriate for them to push ahead in this. I can't think of an appropriate analogy, but for a business to ignore the kind of outcry the players gave would be foolish. Now, I do believe some people want WIS's as well, I know I would love it under certain conditions, most of those conditions being that it needs content. Right now they don't seem to really know what they are doing with it. There's going to be some kind of station you can walk around in, with some shops, and some games.... Really doesn't add much for most people. Even the people that come from other games just to get an avatar to dress up will grow bored shortly, there's only so many cloths you can buy, the attraction of Eve is it's dynamic content.
Personally I say open up station PvP! Same as you have in empire/low/null. If you step outside your captains quarters you can gank someone, but CONCORD atrium turrets are going to gank you back and you'll wake up back in your CQ. This is just coming off the top of my head, but I think capturing stations could easily be worked into this. Instead of hours of structure grinding you have to dock, get out, and physically take over certain points in the station. Then again, I'm an FPS fan, so some people might not like this, but it would go right along with CCP's total sci-fi goal.
At the end of the day though most of the current player base likes spaceships, that's why we are here, and while they may be interested in WIS and there may be outside players interested in it, it's not sound of them to completely ignore outcrys of current paying subscribers to address those.
Again, I love the IDEA of what walking in stations COULD be, but I'm not sure CCP's ideas line up with mine, or with Eve being a cold dark place. I would like to see them revisit this in the future, but I think they made a smart move dropping it for now. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:28:00 -
[1076] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yeah if your argument is reliant on the number of forum "Likes" you receive it's probably time to throw in the towel.
I have 680 likes so I must be right. Having your own alts go back and 'Like' all of your posts doesn't count. Is irony always lost on you? No, but your trolling is definitely lost on me.
Jita Alt666 wrote:Well that explains your likes away then. Hahaha, you wished but it certainly explains all the 'Likes' that you have.
Alpheias wrote:Of course, I am going to ask those that are for WiS when I am not and you are absolutely right, I don't see much point in them because the suggestions frankly scream "by roleplayers for roleplayers" and they do sound like wet dreams... like my wet dream of dropping bombs in empire. So if I go by your logic now, if I had a 2003 character, I would have a little more weight behind it and since Alpheias is from 2009, my account possibly cannot? BRB then - going to buy a 2003 character. Great logic there by the way. Oh, for the record, nor do I hide behind a alt.
I already answered your question and posted a few examples of possible WiS game content that had nothing to do with 'Role Playing'. Unfortunately you decided not to view it and just continued posting your rant. It seems you don't really want to see any examples and you're basically just using that as an excuse while trying to derail this thread.
If buying a 2003 character is the only way you can prove you've been playing this game for that long, have at it.
This game has radically changed since it was first introduced and it'll continue to change. In 2003, it was just a few spaceships and strictly PvP content. Then PvE content was added which I'm sure the hardcore PvP crowd was deadset against it. For the longest time it was PvP only verses PvE. Now it's changed into FiS only verses anything else.
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Tristan North
The Scope
40
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:42:00 -
[1077] - Quote
BeanBagKing wrote:Disclamer: I've only read the first post because... 43 pages so that's what I'm responding to. CCP's quote is correct, more people want spaceships and FIS, and I think it's appropriate for them to push ahead in this. I can't think of an appropriate analogy, but for a business to ignore the kind of outcry the players gave would be foolish. Now, I do believe some people want WIS's as well, I know I would love it under certain conditions, most of those conditions being that it needs content. Right now they don't seem to really know what they are doing with it. There's going to be some kind of station you can walk around in, with some shops, and some games.... Really doesn't add much for most people. Even the people that come from other games just to get an avatar to dress up will grow bored shortly, there's only so many cloths you can buy, the attraction of Eve is it's dynamic content. Personally I say open up station PvP! Same as you have in empire/low/null. If you step outside your captains quarters you can gank someone, but CONCORD atrium turrets are going to gank you back and you'll wake up back in your CQ. This is just coming off the top of my head, but I think capturing stations could easily be worked into this. Instead of hours of structure grinding you have to dock, get out, and physically take over certain points in the station. Then again, I'm an FPS fan, so some people might not like this, but it would go right along with CCP's total sci-fi goal. At the end of the day though most of the current player base likes spaceships, that's why we are here, and while they may be interested in WIS and there may be outside players interested in it, it's not sound of them to completely ignore outcrys of current paying subscribers to address those. Again, I love the IDEA of what walking in stations COULD be, but I'm not sure CCP's ideas line up with mine, or with Eve being a cold dark place. I would like to see them revisit this in the future, but I think they made a smart move dropping it for now. If you read at least Part of the thread, you'll see that most of the players (In this thread) want simply both FiS and WiS. It's about WiS not being abandoned, nothing more. |
Tristan North
The Scope
40
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:45:00 -
[1078] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote: then you seriously overestimate yourself.
As you overestimate relevance of WiS. For you.
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Lilliana Stelles
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
11
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:05:00 -
[1079] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: and again you are stupid
everything you said in your original post, has zero meaningful gameplay, you can already do all that without wis, you may be sitting in the same room with avatar but you are still typing, you want to avoid paying 283490728isk charge for chatting, what does that have to do with wis? it may be that you are known to be stupid and people block you nameless? dude we all have a name it is sort of required when creating a character, you mean faceless? yup we got faces too in the portrait
"but when you're fighting people you know, people who you respect, gentlemen and scholars, then there's actually some sense of honor and respect for your opponents, and an understanding of the gravity of what everyone is engaging in, which brings the game to an entirely new and realistic level for everyone involved. " i am so stupid i just can't see what this bit and your whole post has to do with wis.
It's about immersion. Think about what you're saying, it's equivalent to "We already have forums, so why do we have in game chat?" The point I'm trying to express is the need for more forms of in game socialization and communication between parties. You do make a valid point though. It isn't necessary for gameplay by any means. But it increases a feeling of community and attachment to the game and other players.
I hate to even make this comparison because it was a horrible, boring game, but do you realize why WoW was so popular? I'll tell you it wasn't gameplay. Sure, they have casual gameplay that draws a large audience, but that casual gameplay also sucked. Eve's gameplay is much more intense, much more involved, and much more fun, at least in my opinion. The reason WoW had such a large audience is because of the social system that's in place. The gameplay was mostly in dungeons, but players were required to engage in interaction with random strangers in order to accomplish said goals. The ability to walk up to someone and randomly start a conversation that 1. Doesn't have an associated mail charge 2. Can be joined in by any passing player who shows interest goes a long way. There's no proximity-based chat in Eve, whatsoever. It's either 1-on-1 chat, form a chatroom, or broadcast idiotically to all of local. Seeing more convenient ways of socialization will only be beneficial.
Necessary or not, it conveys benefits to everyone.
Here's another point: (Unless you're cloaked up in space), everyone, at some point, inevitably ends up ship spinning or facespinning when they're docked up and outnumbered, waiting on a group for a complex, waiting on a cyno, waiting on an industry job... Actually, Eve is alot of waiting no matter how you look at it. At the very least, the developers can give players something to do while they're waiting around in stations.
Why do you think Eve Poker, Somer.Blink, Eve Radio chat, etc, are all so popular? It gives players something engaging to do while on Eve. The thing is, the game could be directly benefiting from that just as much as third-party sites do.
And to whoever suggested Eve Fest to me, I've seriously been considering it. But should players really have to pay ~$800+ to talk to each other? |
mkint
304
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:21:00 -
[1080] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote:I don't even want to read back through all this spergbearding, but I certainly want to voice my opinion. There's alot of "Eve is about this or that", and the only ones remotely qualified to determine what Eve is about are the developers. It's only a sandbox if the developers fill it full of sand. If they want to fill it full of mud or glitter, that's their choice. You can pay for it or not.
Onto the point, I, as a user, would enjoy seeing Eve develop in a new direction. Games can get quite mundane and boring when there is a lack of social interaction. I'm personally not interested in trash-talking people who pew pew with me, and I feel that interacting solely with members of my corporation is somewhat antisocial.
WiS is a wonderful opportunity for players to actually interact with each other and meet each other in a civil, respectable manner. Personally, I'd love the chance to have my avatar sit down at the bar with a long rival and actually discuss what's gone on without being hit by a 283490728isk charge for chatting with them, or getting **** from whatever alliance I'm in for breaking silence in local. This is a social game, dammit, let there be player interaction outside of just public channels.
Pew pew is sortof silly when you're fighting nameless avatars who do nothing but spam trashtalk at you or maintain radio silence... but when you're fighting people you know, people who you respect, gentlemen and scholars, then there's actually some sense of honor and respect for your opponents, and an understanding of the gravity of what everyone is engaging in, which brings the game to an entirely new and realistic level for everyone involved.
Please, CCP, humanize the game. Don't push WiS back any further. It should have been here from the beginning.
Hi, welcome to EVE. It's a good idea to start your game by doing the tutorials and talking to the career agents. Consider trying the Sisters of Eve epic mission arc beginning in Arnon. You'll find you can learn a lot about EVE by joining a corporation that can help you achieve your goals. I give you this short introduction because WTF game have you been playing? |
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Steveir
Hagukure Empire Industry
2
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:26:00 -
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Having come so far, it seems nuts for CCP to abandon it. And there are lot of player who don't play Eve due to lack of Avitar play. For God Sake CCP finish it properly, and if you need a gaming rig to play it, rather than a ancient laptop, so be it.
Make space "real", we want shooting avitars in bars - like yesterday. And poles, and /dance poledance animation - or we're rage quitting - again!!! |
Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:41:00 -
[1082] - Quote
CCP can reallocate resources to FiS or WiS.
Player discontent soared after release of Incarcass and The Store from Hell. Incarcass was Fail; Store was Fail; created tipping point for FiS-related discontent to boil over.
Forums full of reactions, feedback, and commentaries triggered by reallocation of resources to FiS. Player reaction suggests that CCP's decision is the correct one.
Defer WiS. For the moment, correct method for leaving CQ is thru the hangar. Winter is Coming. |
Lilliana Stelles
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
11
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:57:00 -
[1083] - Quote
Ad'Hakim Tahous wrote:CCP can reallocate resources to FiS or WiS.
Player discontent soared after release of Incarcass and The Store from Hell. Incarcass was Fail; Store was Fail; created tipping point for FiS-related discontent to boil over.
Forums full of reactions, feedback, and commentaries triggered by reallocation of resources to FiS. Player reaction suggests that CCP's decision is the correct one.
Defer WiS. For the moment, correct method for leaving CQ is thru the hangar. Winter is Coming.
I don't honestly remember that many complaints with the release of CQ in and of itself. There were a few, but it wasn't the majority. iirc:
There were alot of complaints of it not being optional. There were alot of complaints that it wasn't optimized. There were more than a few complaints about the NEX. And there are quite a few complaints about the door.
All of these are valid points. But they're solved with more development of Incarna, not less. The return of ship spinning was a station feature development, after all, not a FiS development. Optimization will only come with further development. The NEX promised to release cheaper items in the future... which can only occur with further development. And the door is only going to open with further development.
FiS is important. I don't see why CCP is doing this whole "Focus" thing at all. Changing team members around just makes everyone confused. As a programmer myself, I'd hate to change software projects; I'd just be completely lost and probably mess something up. That would suck for everyone. They just need to actually finish things one thing at a time.
The biggest problem I see here is CCP's inability to actually finish things and keep promises. The FiS changes are nice, and they certainly didn't have enough people working on it. But drastically downsizing the WoD/WiS/Incarna/Nex teams isn't the solution. |
Tristan North
The Scope
40
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:10:00 -
[1084] - Quote
Ad'Hakim Tahous wrote:CCP can reallocate resources to FiS or WiS.
Player discontent soared after release of Incarcass and The Store from Hell. Incarcass was Fail; Store was Fail; created tipping point for FiS-related discontent to boil over.
Forums full of reactions, feedback, and commentaries triggered by reallocation of resources to FiS. Player reaction suggests that CCP's decision is the correct one.
Defer WiS. For the moment, correct method for leaving CQ is thru the hangar. Winter is Coming. It was a reallocation of resources to EvE, they weren't workin on WiS, but on WoD, and most of the stuff in the winter expansion were already in development.
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Jita Alt666
487
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:31:00 -
[1085] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote:Ad'Hakim Tahous wrote:CCP can reallocate resources to FiS or WiS.
Player discontent soared after release of Incarcass and The Store from Hell. Incarcass was Fail; Store was Fail; created tipping point for FiS-related discontent to boil over.
Forums full of reactions, feedback, and commentaries triggered by reallocation of resources to FiS. Player reaction suggests that CCP's decision is the correct one.
Defer WiS. For the moment, correct method for leaving CQ is thru the hangar. Winter is Coming. I don't honestly remember that many complaints with the release of CQ in and of itself. There were a few, but it wasn't the majority. iirc: There were alot of complaints of it not being optional. There were alot of complaints that it wasn't optimized. There were more than a few complaints about the NEX. And there are quite a few complaints about the door. All of these are valid points. But they're solved with more development of Incarna, not less. The return of ship spinning was a station feature development, after all, not a FiS development. Optimization will only come with further development. The NEX promised to release cheaper items in the future... which can only occur with further development. And the door is only going to open with further development. FiS is important. I don't see why CCP is doing this whole "Focus" thing at all. Changing team members around just makes everyone confused. As a programmer myself, I'd hate to change software projects; I'd just be completely lost and probably mess something up. That would suck for everyone. They just need to actually finish things one thing at a time. The biggest problem I see here is CCP's inability to actually finish things and keep promises. The FiS changes are nice, and they certainly didn't have enough people working on it. But drastically downsizing the WoD/WiS/Incarna/Nex teams isn't the solution.
The Incarna engine was a trial for the development of World of Darkness. Developing this engine took resources away from Flying in Space for over 18 months(sic). This long period of stalled development caused a large amount of discontent amongst Eve Players who subbed to play spaceships.
The release of Incarna was sub standard - 1 out of 4 CQ's completed, that coupled with the poor optimisation, the NEX store pricing, the leaked newsletter indicating micro-transactions for in game advantage via aura was being discussed at CCP head quarters, and the misreading of the situation by the CCP CEO who dismissed player discontent as being the usual rabble rabble, caused a significant number of players to un-subscribe.
At the time CCP were working on WOD, Eve Online and Dust. Their incoming revenue came from Eve Online. That is 3 major projects with only 1 providing immediate returns. The number of de-subscriptions was enough to affect the long term bottom line and put at risk all 3 projects.
Any company in that position needs to work to ensure continued supply of income. CCP have made the decision to halt development of WOD and refocus on the flying in space aspects of Eve Online. To put that another way, they are working to keep their established player base happy (and hopefully reverse the unsub flurry) ahead of expanding the game in a direction that has an unknown outcome. The additional advantage of this approach is the company can trim the WOD development staff out, thus reducing costs at the same time.
Now CCP are making 2 projects (DUST, Eve Online) on the revenue stream provided by 1 (Eve Online). With WOD put on hold the Incarna engine is also on hold. This is not an ideal solution by any means - it is a pragmatic business decision.
The long term development of WIS will add to the playability, immersion and appeal of Eve Online. CCP have attempted to do this at the expense of the flying in space portion of Eve Online. That has proved to be unsustainable.
As a supporter of WIS I am hoping that CCP can get DUST out to the market by summer 2012. I am hoping that DUST is a success in its own right. I am also hoping it's interaction with Eve Online is compelling and adds to both games. I am hoping that development will enable the increase of revenue that will enable CCP to reactivate development on WOD/WIS
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WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
67
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:40:00 -
[1086] - Quote
Still LOL'ing at all the people who think a sandbox MMO is "ABOUT" something.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
711
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:43:00 -
[1087] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote:I don't see why CCP is doing this whole "Focus" thing at all. Changing team members around just makes everyone confused. As a programmer myself, I'd hate to change software projects; I'd just be completely lost and probably mess something up. That would suck for everyone. Yeah a much better plan is to stick with something that's not working and causing the game to bleed subscriptions so that the poor programmers don't get confused.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Stahlregen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:47:00 -
[1088] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:I don't see why CCP is doing this whole "Focus" thing at all. Changing team members around just makes everyone confused. As a programmer myself, I'd hate to change software projects; I'd just be completely lost and probably mess something up. That would suck for everyone. Yeah a much better plan is to stick with something that's not working and causing the game to bleed subscriptions so that the poor programmers don't get confused.
Ladie Harlot have I ever mentioned how true to life your avatar is? Because it's quite uncanny. |
Jita Alt666
487
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:49:00 -
[1089] - Quote
Stahlregen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:I don't see why CCP is doing this whole "Focus" thing at all. Changing team members around just makes everyone confused. As a programmer myself, I'd hate to change software projects; I'd just be completely lost and probably mess something up. That would suck for everyone. Yeah a much better plan is to stick with something that's not working and causing the game to bleed subscriptions so that the poor programmers don't get confused. Ladie Harlot have I ever mentioned how true to life your avatar is? Because it's quite uncanny.
Did you get lured back to Eve Online via a banner ad on SA?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
711
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:50:00 -
[1090] - Quote
Stahlregen wrote:Ladie Harlot have I ever mentioned how true to life your avatar is? Because it's quite uncanny. It literally took me four hours to get the avatar just right.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
286
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:55:00 -
[1091] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Stahlregen wrote:Ladie Harlot have I ever mentioned how true to life your avatar is? Because it's quite uncanny. It literally took me four hours to get the avatar just right.
What a odd waste of time for a person that hates "space barbies". If your avatar doesn't matter why didn't you just make a random character and get out into those spaceships that Eve is only about?
Your strange creepy face mocks your own argument everytime you post that avatars don't matter to you.
Issler |
Jita Alt666
487
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:57:00 -
[1092] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Stahlregen wrote:Ladie Harlot have I ever mentioned how true to life your avatar is? Because it's quite uncanny. It literally took me four hours to get the avatar just right. What a odd waste of time for a person that hates "space barbies". If your avatar doesn't matter why didn't you just make a random character and get out into those spaceships that Eve is only about? Your strange creepy face mocks your own argument everytime you post that avatars don't matter to you. Issler
Please tell me you read my :words: post at the top of this page before you decided to go for an easy shot at a troll who has again succeeded in baiting you with a single sentence.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
711
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:58:00 -
[1093] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Stahlregen wrote:Ladie Harlot have I ever mentioned how true to life your avatar is? Because it's quite uncanny. It literally took me four hours to get the avatar just right. What a odd waste of time for a person that hates "space barbies". If your avatar doesn't matter why didn't you just make a random character and get out into those spaceships that Eve is only about? Your strange creepy face mocks your own argument everytime you post that avatars don't matter to you. Issler Forum avatars are serious business. Playing dressup in the microtransaction superstore isn't.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Lilliana Stelles
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
17
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:11:00 -
[1094] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:The Incarna engine was a trial for the development of World of Darkness. Developing this engine took resources away from Flying in Space for over 18 months(sic). This long period of stalled development caused a large amount of discontent amongst Eve Players who subbed to play spaceships.
The release of Incarna was sub standard - 1 out of 4 CQ's completed, that coupled with the poor optimisation, the NEX store pricing, the leaked newsletter indicating micro-transactions for in game advantage via aura was being discussed at CCP head quarters, and the misreading of the situation by the CCP CEO who dismissed player discontent as being the usual rabble rabble, caused a significant number of players to un-subscribe.
At the time CCP were working on WOD, Eve Online and Dust. Their incoming revenue came from Eve Online. That is 3 major projects with only 1 providing immediate returns. The number of de-subscriptions was enough to affect the long term bottom line and put at risk all 3 projects.
Any company in that position needs to work to ensure continued supply of income. CCP have made the decision to halt development of WOD and refocus on the flying in space aspects of Eve Online. To put that another way, they are working to keep their established player base happy (and hopefully reverse the unsub flurry) ahead of expanding the game in a direction that has an unknown outcome. The additional advantage of this approach is the company can trim the WOD development staff out, thus reducing costs at the same time.
Now CCP are making 2 projects (DUST, Eve Online) on the revenue stream provided by 1 (Eve Online). With WOD put on hold the Incarna engine is also on hold. This is not an ideal solution by any means - it is a pragmatic business decision.
The long term development of WIS will add to the playability, immersion and appeal of Eve Online. CCP have attempted to do this at the expense of the flying in space portion of Eve Online. That has proved to be unsustainable.
As a supporter of WIS I am hoping that CCP can get DUST out to the market by summer 2012. I am hoping that DUST is a success in its own right. I am also hoping it's interaction with Eve Online is compelling and adds to both games. I am hoping that development will enable the increase of revenue that will enable CCP to reactivate development on WOD/WIS
That makes sense, though it's a bit of a disappointment to those of us looking forward to WiS. It's very difficult to tell exactly what happened/is happening without knowing CCP's budget, which really isn't our business. Though I will say that you phrased that much better than CCP did, and I'll assume it to be correct. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
183
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:50:00 -
[1095] - Quote
Incarna was never a prototype for WoD. If yo really think that, get your facts straight.
Wod was the prototype for incarna. Remember most of us PLAYED Walking in stations at fanfest 4 years ago before WoD even had a single dev.
so suck it. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
714
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:56:00 -
[1096] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Incarna was never a prototype for WoD. If yo really think that, get your facts straight.
Wod was the prototype for incarna. Remember most of us PLAYED Walking in stations at fanfest 4 years ago before WoD even had a single dev.
so suck it. lol you think the engine you saw at fanfest years ago was the same one in the game now.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jita Alt666
487
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Posted - 2011.11.08 21:36:00 -
[1097] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Incarna was never a prototype for WoD. If yo really think that, get your facts straight.
Wod was the prototype for incarna. Remember most of us PLAYED Walking in stations at fanfest 4 years ago before WoD even had a single dev.
so suck it. lol you think the engine you saw at fanfest years ago was the same one in the game now.
QFT.
When CCP bought out White Wolf they threw all the old (2007-08) WIS iterations out the window and started afresh with whitee wolf's stuff.
so suck it.
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Jita Alt666
487
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Posted - 2011.11.08 21:48:00 -
[1098] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote: That makes sense, though it's a bit of a disappointment to those of us looking forward to WiS. It's very difficult to tell exactly what happened/is happening without knowing CCP's budget, which really isn't our business. Though I will say that you phrased that much better than CCP did, and I'll assume it to be correct.
I agree it is disappointing. It is a case of company management having ambitions bigger than the ability of the company to deliver. If the original conceptual elements of WIS had been pursued in 2008-09, and whitewolf had been left alone, Eve Online could have been a fully immersive sci-fi simulator by June 2011.
For those who want to look, there is a large amount of information about company status/accounts, business prospectus and shareholder material for most companies on the interwebz. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
287
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Posted - 2011.11.08 22:11:00 -
[1099] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Stahlregen wrote:Ladie Harlot have I ever mentioned how true to life your avatar is? Because it's quite uncanny. It literally took me four hours to get the avatar just right. What a odd waste of time for a person that hates "space barbies". If your avatar doesn't matter why didn't you just make a random character and get out into those spaceships that Eve is only about? Your strange creepy face mocks your own argument everytime you post that avatars don't matter to you. Issler Please tell me you read my :words: post at the top of this page before you decided to go for an easy shot at a troll who has again succeeded in baiting you with a single sentence.
I did. Didn't see much need to comment on your comments. I'd disagree that CCP could at least announce intentions of putting WiS back in plan now instead of leaving us with "on ice indefeinitely" or even better whatever resources on left on WoD get focused on WiS in some form so it isn't dead and buried. You have to remember, WiS is the first feature ever CCP has stated as no long planned to be developed furtner.
The whole point of this thread is to get CCP to tell us WiS will be coming back in a reasonable amount of time. To not get away with saying they killed it because no one wants it.
But in general I found your post to be a reasonable.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
287
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Posted - 2011.11.08 22:19:00 -
[1100] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Incarna was never a prototype for WoD. If yo really think that, get your facts straight.
Wod was the prototype for incarna. Remember most of us PLAYED Walking in stations at fanfest 4 years ago before WoD even had a single dev.
so suck it. lol you think the engine you saw at fanfest years ago was the same one in the game now. QFT. When CCP bought out White Wolf they threw all the old (2007-08) WIS iterations out the window and started afresh with whitee wolf's stuff. so suck it.
I've repeatedly stated what I'd really like to see CCP announce is they are going dump the WoD engine and start a next generation WiS attempt with the engine they are building Dust on. I really think if CCP was telling the truth the reason WoD and WiS are dead is the vampire engine won't scale. I know they can deploy a WiS implementation with the Unreal engine. Maybe not the best there is but you can build commercial products with it.
Oh, and the next generation WiS project is still a lower priority the FiS (just to head off the troll responses that like to claim I want FiS work to stop).
Issler |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
718
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Posted - 2011.11.08 22:21:00 -
[1101] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I've repeatedly stated what I'd really like to see CCP announce is they are going dump the WoD engine and start a next generation WiS attempt with the engine they are building Dust on. They should probably wait and see just how badly Dust fails before doing that.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Hwong Jian
SniggWaffe
4
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Posted - 2011.11.08 22:27:00 -
[1102] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:
Wod was the prototype for incarna.
This is SOOO true! I remember when WoD first came out, I kept thinking to myself, did they even bother to beta test this crap?
You are so very right that World of Darkness was the prototype for Incarna.
Hell, I bet they're even waiting for more people to playtest World of Darkness for them so they can get Incarna just right.
Please, hit us with more of your spot-on insight, MotherMoon!
You're like the Bill O'Reilly of the EVE Forums.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
287
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Posted - 2011.11.08 22:45:00 -
[1103] - Quote
Stupid question I expect. Am I right in thinking that WoD never made it to beta? Was there ever some version of WoD that showed the Carbon engine supporting multi-player play at all?
I wasn't following WoD and did a quick search (found a really funny post from the producer of WoD that claimed Incarna was so late because of all the FiS work CCP was doing!!!!) and can't see that WoD ever got to beta.
Anyone on this thread that knows how far WoD got?
Issler |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
140
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Posted - 2011.11.08 22:53:00 -
[1104] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Stupid question I expect. Am I right in thinking that WoD never made it to beta? Was there ever some version of WoD that showed the Carbon engine supporting multi-player play at all?
I wasn't following WoD and did a quick search (found a really funny post from the producer of WoD that claimed Incarna was so late because of all the FiS work CCP was doing!!!!) and can't see that WoD ever got to beta.
Anyone on this thread that knows how far WoD got?
Issler
They had the fangs design finished.
Truly, while a fan of Vampire the Masquerade, I never saw as much as a demo of WoD. But then I think they stopped too early in the development phase for that.
They were just getting warm for the "Hype" phase I think. |
Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
1
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Posted - 2011.11.08 22:59:00 -
[1105] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Stupid question I expect. Am I right in thinking that WoD never made it to beta? Was there ever some version of WoD that showed the Carbon engine supporting multi-player play at all? Well they did make a trailer with no in game footage and I guess they used WoD art assets for the Nvidia APEX demo. From Russia with love. |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.11.09 00:38:00 -
[1106] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I've repeatedly stated what I'd really like to see CCP announce is they are going dump the WoD engine and start a next generation WiS attempt with the engine they are building Dust on. They should probably wait and see just how badly Dust fails before doing that. I almost feel bad for you.
Living every day so consumed with negativity must really suck.
What sucks even more is how that attitude effects the general mood of the forums. |
Jita Alt666
488
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Posted - 2011.11.09 00:45:00 -
[1107] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I've repeatedly stated what I'd really like to see CCP announce is they are going dump the WoD engine and start a next generation WiS attempt with the engine they are building Dust on. They should probably wait and see just how badly Dust fails before doing that. I almost feel bad for you. Living every day so consumed with negativity must really suck. What sucks even more is how that attitude effects the general mood of the forums.
You are letting him get you down? |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
31
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Posted - 2011.11.09 00:49:00 -
[1108] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:[..]The "Likes" are meaningless if there is no "Don't Like" button. [..] Well, I can see why you would reason like that in this situation, because last time I checked, the likes in favour of WiS far outnumber the likes in favour of No-WiS in this thread. Just look at the first three posts to get an estimate.
Richard Aiel wrote:so.... in your warped interpretation, the reason they killed WiS RIGHT after killing WoD is ...what? cooincidence? lol what you smokin over there? I read somewhere that CCP were doing too many things at once, and thus reassigned developers to focus on FiS. I'm pretty sure this is not my own warped interpretation. In fact, I think your interpretation is more warped. Of course, if you can show any reliable source indicating the contrary, I might agree with your view. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to write what I'm smokin'.
Rocco Battaglia wrote:[..]So its only delayed till next winter at the most[..] Can you point me to a recent reliable source that mentions this?
Alpheias wrote:[..]I think it is you that are reading too much into a trailer of a possible future for a sci-fi MMO. What is obvious is that it hasn't really sunk in for you yet but my very subjective opinion of pewpew is shared by many, and by those at CCP[..]Don't hate me because you lack imagination. Why do you think I'm reading to much into it? What exactly do you think I'm reading into it? I'm not sure you get my reason for linking that video, so I'll mention it: you asked for examples of "gameplay, interaction, and PVP".
Oh, it has sunk in long ago that a lot of people share your opinion. Do you realize that a lot of people do not? I really doubt that CCP as a whole agrees with you.
And I won't hate you, especially for reasons that do not exist.
Hwong Jian wrote:[..]I remember when WoD first came out[..] Probably being trolled but....are you talking about the WoD MMO? It came out? Tell me where I can playtest that, please! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
732
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Posted - 2011.11.09 00:52:00 -
[1109] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I've repeatedly stated what I'd really like to see CCP announce is they are going dump the WoD engine and start a next generation WiS attempt with the engine they are building Dust on. They should probably wait and see just how badly Dust fails before doing that. I almost feel bad for you. Living every day so consumed with negativity must really suck. What sucks even more is how that attitude effects the general mood of the forums. Aww cheer up little kid. Everything's gonna be all right.
(Dust is still going to be a failure, though. Sorry if you were looking forward to it.)
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:19:00 -
[1110] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Stupid question I expect. Am I right in thinking that WoD never made it to beta? Was there ever some version of WoD that showed the Carbon engine supporting multi-player play at all?
I wasn't following WoD and did a quick search (found a really funny post from the producer of WoD that claimed Incarna was so late because of all the FiS work CCP was doing!!!!) and can't see that WoD ever got to beta.
Anyone on this thread that knows how far WoD got?
Issler
i can't remember exactly but during one fanfest stream videos had some nvidia dudes saying something along the lines of "the next generation of video cards powerful enough to run wod multiplayer wont be commercially available for about X years" stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
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Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
32
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:23:00 -
[1111] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Soulpirate wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I've repeatedly stated what I'd really like to see CCP announce is they are going dump the WoD engine and start a next generation WiS attempt with the engine they are building Dust on. They should probably wait and see just how badly Dust fails before doing that. I almost feel bad for you. Living every day so consumed with negativity must really suck. What sucks even more is how that attitude effects the general mood of the forums. Aww cheer up little kid. Everything's gonna be all right. (Dust is still going to be a failure, though. Sorry if you were looking forward to it.)
We'll see about that.
It can't be much worse than Planetside, and that was a Bad Game in the Eve sense of the word. The hero you're stuck with anyways. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
737
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:25:00 -
[1112] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: Aww cheer up little kid. Everything's gonna be all right.
(Dust is still going to be a failure, though. Sorry if you were looking forward to it.)
We'll see about that. It can't be much worse than Planetside, and that was a Bad Game in the Eve sense of the word. Too bad CCP doesn't have a whole stable of bad games to rely on for money like SOE does.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:15:00 -
[1113] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
It's about immersion. Think about what you're saying, it's equivalent to "We already have forums, so why do we have in game chat?" The point I'm trying to express is the need for more forms of in game socialization and communication between parties. You do make a valid point though. It isn't necessary for gameplay by any means. But it increases a feeling of community and attachment to the game and other players.
I hate to even make this comparison because it was a horrible, boring game, but do you realize why WoW was so popular? I'll tell you it wasn't gameplay. Sure, they have casual gameplay that draws a large audience, but that casual gameplay also sucked. Eve's gameplay is much more intense, much more involved, and much more fun, at least in my opinion. The reason WoW had such a large audience is because of the social system that's in place. The gameplay was mostly in dungeons, but players were required to engage in interaction with random strangers in order to accomplish said goals. The ability to walk up to someone and randomly start a conversation that 1. Doesn't have an associated mail charge 2. Can be joined in by any passing player who shows interest goes a long way. There's no proximity-based chat in Eve, whatsoever. It's either 1-on-1 chat, form a chatroom, or broadcast idiotically to all of local. Seeing more convenient ways of socialization will only be beneficial.
Necessary or not, it conveys benefits to everyone.
Here's another point: (Unless you're cloaked up in space), everyone, at some point, inevitably ends up ship spinning or facespinning when they're docked up and outnumbered, waiting on a group for a complex, waiting on a cyno, waiting on an industry job... Actually, Eve is alot of waiting no matter how you look at it. At the very least, the developers can give players something to do while they're waiting around in stations.
Why do you think Eve Poker, Somer.Blink, Eve Radio chat, etc, are all so popular? It gives players something engaging to do while on Eve. The thing is, the game could be directly benefiting from that just as much as third-party sites do.
And to whoever suggested Eve Fest to me, I've seriously been considering it. But should players really have to pay ~$800+ to talk to each other?
seems all you want is chat chat chat go try http://www.imvu.com/ mail charge? people don't want to be spammed, stop spamming people proximity chat? there is constellation chat, and it is just filled with people who love and use proximity chat. waiting? can't you you there buddy, i wait in all games and IRL i can't escape it
it is rather unfortunate that the OP's thread has become a horn of gondor when sounded all kinds of stupid come running stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
287
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:06:00 -
[1114] - Quote
So one aspect of the sadness that is the failure to deliver WiS so far is for about 5 years one part of my job was to be one of the primary technical interfaces between a very large Redmond, WA software company and nVidia. I found nVidia to be full of some very smart folks, but also some very agressive evangilists. Constantly pushing companies to consider agressive plans and of course create stuff that requires the latest and greatest gear from the small "n" company.
I think they are definitely part of what caused CCP to bet on technology that couldn't scale or be successful commercially on the majority of PCs today.
Just felt like sharing that.
Issler |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
165
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Posted - 2011.11.09 09:28:00 -
[1115] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Stahlregen wrote:Ladie Harlot have I ever mentioned how true to life your avatar is? Because it's quite uncanny. It literally took me four hours to get the avatar just right. What a odd waste of time for a person that hates "space barbies". If your avatar doesn't matter why didn't you just make a random character and get out into those spaceships that Eve is only about? Your strange creepy face mocks your own argument everytime you post that avatars don't matter to you. Issler Forum avatars are serious business. Playing dressup in the microtransaction superstore isn't. 4 hrs on your avatar?
Maybe you'd better change your screen resolution and spend another 4 hrs on it to get it right.
Anyway, we all know you really meant to say:
Quote:Forum trolling is serious business. Playing dressup in the Character Creation isn't. |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
43
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Posted - 2011.11.09 09:32:00 -
[1116] - Quote
I have noticed alot of the "I hate WiS" people are goons. Normally I would chalk that up to the fact that they love to troll, but I started to realize it was something more.
Goons stated objective is to ruin the game for everyone. So they hate WiS because they want to ruin the game for everyone.
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bornaa
GRiD.
24
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Posted - 2011.11.09 10:27:00 -
[1117] - Quote
Mekela wrote:I have noticed alot of the "I hate WiS" people are goons. Normally I would chalk that up to the fact that they love to troll, but I started to realize it was something more.
Goons stated objective is to ruin the game for everyone. So they hate WiS because they want to ruin the game for everyone.
I like you... |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.11.09 11:25:00 -
[1118] - Quote
Mekela wrote:I have noticed alot of the "I hate WiS" people are goons. Normally I would chalk that up to the fact that they love to troll, but I started to realize it was something more.
Goons stated objective is to ruin the game for everyone. So they hate WiS because they want to ruin the game for everyone.
no just you people stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
293
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Posted - 2011.11.10 06:29:00 -
[1119] - Quote
So we ever going to get a clarification from CCP about the real future of WiS?
Issler |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
153
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:31:00 -
[1120] - Quote
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Stupid question I expect. Am I right in thinking that WoD never made it to beta? Was there ever some version of WoD that showed the Carbon engine supporting multi-player play at all? Well they did make a trailer with no in game footage and I guess they used WoD art assets for the Nvidia APEX demo.
Yeah they made it to beta, it was called Incarna
Issler Dainze wrote:So we ever going to get a clarification from CCP about the real future of WiS?
Issler
yes, the same thing that started this thread. the words "back burner" come to mind https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
879
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:33:00 -
[1121] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:So we ever going to get a clarification from CCP about the real future of WiS?
Issler
- In your options turn on "load station environment"
dock in the station of your choosing Walk in the station
What more do you want?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Grukni
Shimai of New Eden N E X O
17
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:41:00 -
[1122] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:So one aspect of the sadness that is the failure to deliver WiS so far is for about 5 years one part of my job was to be one of the primary technical interfaces between a very large Redmond, WA software company and nVidia. I found nVidia to be full of some very smart folks, but also some very agressive evangilists. Constantly pushing companies to consider agressive plans and of course create stuff that requires the latest and greatest gear from the small "n" company.
I think they are definitely part of what caused CCP to bet on technology that couldn't scale or be successful commercially on the majority of PCs today.
Just felt like sharing that.
Issler
Yo have a point. I remember the WiS demo CCP showed us in the fanfest some years ago, and it had nothing to do with what Incarna is today. While it was still single player, they had a nice engine (licensed?) and lots of art assets. They even had exotic dancers and minigames. Incomprehensibly, they scrapped it all and started developing the supa dupa avatar engine we have today. Since they demoed it in Siggraph hand in hand with nvidia, I believe they had something to do with that push CCP to the limits of today's available technology. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
245
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:54:00 -
[1123] - Quote
How did 12 people create a 46 page thread? EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
888
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:00:00 -
[1124] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:How did 12 people create a 46 page thread? By never stopping posting
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Niko Takahashi
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:17:00 -
[1125] - Quote
Dear OP ho about NO
Thank you the Space dolls feature has been turned off with all my accounts from day ONE and I will keep it that way.
NEX store button is also collecting dust for a lot of players and only transaction in it from my side are going to be from that free to have Aurum they gave out not going to spend a single isk on buying plex and converting it let alone real money. It more of matter of principle for me and it seems a majority of the player base has the same opinion.
I am happy with the direction it is taking now and a lot of people as well.
Prospect of my own bar or shop for tatoos or clothing with a DS9 style of promenade would be cool but it is like the 99th priority for me. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:22:00 -
[1126] - Quote
So... CCP... where is my WiS???
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
897
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:55:00 -
[1127] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:So... CCP... where is my WiS???
- In your options turn on "load station environment"
- dock in the station of your choosing
- Walk in the station
What more do you want?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:55:00 -
[1128] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:How did 12 people create a 46 page thread?
There's a lot more than just 12 people posting. This thread has been kept alive by players posting either for or against WiS. Personally, I think the Anti-WiS crowd has helped the most. There's also a few players constantly posting troll replies as well.
Ladie Harlot wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:How did 12 people create a 46 page thread? By never stopping posting
Everyone continues posting because they just can't seem to help themselves.
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Mekela
Vinyl Roid
46
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:35:00 -
[1129] - Quote
It is certainly more than 12 people that care about WiS The question is more about why are people so passionate about WiS.
For -
- We were promised this 4 years ago
- Makes Eve more personal
- It is something completly new not the same old same old
- It expands the game into a whole new areas whos potential is huge and makes it more of a sci fi sim
Against
- It doesn't fix the old problems
- It adds nothing (I would add immeadatly) to game play and is just dress up (for now)
- FiS has been abbandoned because of this so it must go
Funny thing is WiS people would support fixing old problems and FiS upgrades we just don't want WiS abandoned while the against people insist that WiS must be scrapped |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2011.11.10 22:42:00 -
[1130] - Quote
Mekela wrote: Funny thing is WiS people would support fixing old problems and FiS upgrades we just don't want WiS abandoned while the against people insist that WiS must be scrapped
Very well said. |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
153
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Posted - 2011.11.10 23:17:00 -
[1131] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:So... CCP... where is my WiS???
Quote:World of Darkness will continue development with a significantly reduced team. This team will continue to iterate and expand on the gameplay and systems they have designed. We will also redeploy creative teams in Atlanta to support the launch of DUST 514.
WiS was a direct and obvious beta testing program for WoD.
Where is your WiS? See above.
Quote:We were promised this 4 years ago
no
we were promised AMBULATION 4 years ago. WiS =/= Ambulation
12 * 3 (cause theyre gonna alt this up good) * 2 (cause you know theyre gonna run two accounts - most ppl do I hear) = 72 ppl. Its still 12 ppl base tho. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
948
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Posted - 2011.11.10 23:49:00 -
[1132] - Quote
Mekela wrote:It is certainly more than 12 people that care about WiS It's way less than that. This thread is one or two Barbie fetishists and their sock puppets and 8 or so decent people trolling them.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:12:00 -
[1133] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Mekela wrote:It is certainly more than 12 people that care about WiS It's way less than that. This thread is one or two Barbie fetishists and their sock puppets and 8 or so decent people trolling them.
I'm not a Barbie fetishist - I'm an EXPANSION fetishist. I want EVE to expand beyond the basic gameplay we've had for 8 years and into the rich science fiction simulator it has the potential to be (whether that's WiS or DUST or whatever).
Too bad DUST is going to be console-only. |
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
25
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:22:00 -
[1134] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
I agree 100% x 4 accounts, IMHO if they would tell a certain minority to **** off they could make changes to this game that would bring in 10x players that they they told to **** off and those players would be happy to play, not bitter vets who do nothing but complain.
Staying the same, and adding new ships is not change, is pretty much a sure way to kill off a product.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.11.11 03:45:00 -
[1135] - Quote
Mekela wrote:It is certainly more than 12 people that care about WiS The question is more about why are people so passionate about WiS. For -
- We were promised this 4 years ago
- Makes Eve more personal
- It is something completly new not the same old same old
- It expands the game into a whole new areas whos potential is huge and makes it more of a sci fi sim
Against
- It doesn't fix the old problems
- It adds nothing (I would add immeadatly) to game play and is just dress up (for now)
- FiS has been abbandoned because of this so it must go
Funny thing is WiS people would support fixing old problems and FiS upgrades we just don't want WiS abandoned while the against people insist that WiS must be scrapped
no can do finite resources it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
114
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Posted - 2011.11.11 04:01:00 -
[1136] - Quote
Crystal Liche wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler I agree 100% x 4 accounts, IMHO if they would tell a certain minority to **** off they could make changes to this game that would bring in 10x players that they they told to **** off and those players would be happy to play, not bitter vets who do nothing but complain. Staying the same, and adding new ships is not change, is pretty much a sure way to kill off a product. Seems you need to go and have a chat to Sony about SWG, to see how what your suggesting works out.
It's when companies lose sight of what made their product great in the first place that they start having problems, you know like losing thousands of subscribers and having to lay off 20% of their workforce.
EVE can and will grow but CCP made a mess of this first attempt with WiS. It needs meaningful fun things to do before it will attract a broader audience, but not at the expense of the core integrity of the game, otherwise they may as well call it something other than EVE because it will literally be a different game.
And you can correct me if I'm wrong but from the tone of what you have said it would appear that you want a different game entirely. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2011.11.11 04:58:00 -
[1137] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:...It's when companies lose sight of what made their product great in the first place that they start having problems, you know like losing thousands of subscribers and having to lay off 20% of their workforce...
Keep in mind that a majority of subscription-based game companies have been posting losses this year as the industry moves towards the free-to-play model, not just CCP (Blizzard/WOW has lost 1.7 million subscriptions in the last 9 months alone). The fact that CCP asked a stupidly high price for their NeX store stuff and that WiS had no gameplay were just nails in the coffin.
I don't think WiS itself is to blame, but rather CCP's amateur and rushed implementation of Incarna and thier use of EVE assets to develop vampires on our dime, that screwed over both WiS and FiS players alike (WiS got a tenth of what was promised and FiS was ignored for 18 months).
It was clear that WiS wasn't the product of 5 years of development... but maybe 6 months (with the other 4.5 years spent on vampires). |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
60
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Posted - 2011.11.11 05:23:00 -
[1138] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote: And you can correct me if I'm wrong but from the tone of what you have said it would appear that you want a different game entirely.
*Sighs*
No, we don't want 'a different game entirely'. We want a game that innovates. We want a game that isn't stuck in the same 'dungeon-expansion pack-dungeon-expansion pack' rut that other games have fallen into.
WiS-haters dislike us because we're intruding into their precious territory -- how dare us all for playing with their Matchbox starship collection and actually getting bored.
Seriously, though, it's quite surreal how something as mundane as putting a shirt on a digital 'person' can cause so much drah-mah. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
114
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Posted - 2011.11.11 05:36:00 -
[1139] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:...It's when companies lose sight of what made their product great in the first place that they start having problems, you know like losing thousands of subscribers and having to lay off 20% of their workforce... Keep in mind that a majority of subscription-based game companies have been posting losses this year as the industry moves towards the free-to-play model, not just CCP (Blizzard/WOW has lost 1.7 million subscriptions in the last 9 months alone). The fact that CCP asked a stupidly high price for their NeX store stuff and that WiS had no gameplay were just nails in the coffin. I don't think WiS itself is to blame, but rather CCP's amateur and rushed implementation of Incarna and thier use of EVE assets to develop vampires on our dime, that screwed over both WiS and FiS players alike (WiS got a tenth of what was promised and FiS was ignored for 18 months). It was clear that WiS wasn't the product of 5 years of development... but maybe 6 months (with the other 4.5 years spent on vampires). On Blizzards loss of subscribers it's actually not because of the fact that it isn't F2P, but more of the fact that they too have dropped the ball with their content with Cataclysm and some would say before that with Wrath. You may also want to look at how many F2P games are closing down or have taken a player and profit hit recently. This F2P wave of the future bs is just that ... bs.
If you make a good product people will be willing to pay for it, end of story. This 'F2P is the future' is a fallacy created by the accountants and marketing people who have little interest in the future of games, only the future of profits.
Yes I agree WiS or the beginning of it with Incarna was rushed out the door with what appears to be litlle thought. So much for those supposed industry experts huh. Simply one bad decision after another got us to this point.
It's sad that 20% of CCP employees had to suffer before CCP management realised they were steering the whole company towards a cliff and blind to the reality of what was happening around them. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
114
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Posted - 2011.11.11 05:45:00 -
[1140] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote: And you can correct me if I'm wrong but from the tone of what you have said it would appear that you want a different game entirely.
*Sighs* No, we don't want 'a different game entirely'. We want a game that innovates. We want a game that isn't stuck in the same 'dungeon-expansion pack-dungeon-expansion pack' rut that other games have fallen into. WiS-haters dislike us because we're intruding into their precious territory -- how dare us all for playing with their Matchbox starship collection and actually getting bored. Seriously, though, it's quite surreal how something as mundane as putting a shirt on a digital 'person' can cause so much drah-mah. Is that a royal we?
The thing is do you really think the FiS lovers would have really cared one bit about WiS if development of FiS hadn't virtually ceased in favour of things like WiS, WoD, etc. I doubt it, if they had been getting new toys then they wouldn't have cared less what was going in the WiS toybox. CCP themselves have created this divide. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
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Blastier
15
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Posted - 2011.11.11 06:03:00 -
[1141] - Quote
I might consider coming back if it were free to play... maybe.... my account is about to expire. Frankly, I signed up for this long ago because I imagined doing awesome FiS stuff coupled with being able to dock and sit down with friends in station and do 'whatever!'
CCP led me on a string, but thankfully they squandered my money
I feel insulted and I could never come back after that announcement. They ****** up and sorry.
Good luck |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2011.11.11 06:18:00 -
[1142] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:... This F2P wave of the future bs is just that ... bs.
If you make a good product people will be willing to pay for it, end of story. This 'F2P is the future' is a fallacy created by the accountants and marketing people who have little interest in the future of games, only the future of profits...
Here's where we disagree. FTP literally saved Turbine when D&D changed over. It has likewise kept Lord of the Rings and Champions Online open. In fact, DC Universe moved to FTP just a week ago and recorded a 1000% increase in players within 5 days, and an increase in sales.
By the way, I am *not* advocating EVE go FTP... just pointing out that the smallest change in business models can have a dramatic effect on the success of failure of a game (looking at YOU, $70 monocle!).
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:... The thing is do you really think the FiS lovers would have really cared one bit about WiS if development of FiS hadn't virtually ceased in favour of things like WiS, WoD, etc. I doubt it, if they had been getting new toys then they wouldn't have cared less what was going in the WiS toybox. CCP themselves have created this divide...
Totally agree! CCP should have never stopped on FiS, and never should have delivered the pale shadow of WiS that we received. Their focus on vampires was tragic and costly. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
115
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Posted - 2011.11.11 07:00:00 -
[1143] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:... This F2P wave of the future bs is just that ... bs.
If you make a good product people will be willing to pay for it, end of story. This 'F2P is the future' is a fallacy created by the accountants and marketing people who have little interest in the future of games, only the future of profits... Here's where we disagree. FTP literally saved Turbine when D&D changed over. It has likewise kept Lord of the Rings and Champions Online open. In fact, DC Universe moved to FTP just a week ago and recorded a 1000% increase in players within 5 days, and an increase in sales. By the way, I am *not* advocating EVE go FTP... just pointing out that the smallest change in business models can have a dramatic effect on the success of failure of a game (looking at YOU, $70 monocle!). D&D was a very gated game even when it was subscription based, so the devs inadvertantly made it suitable for the model it has now. With LOTRO I've actually stopped playing because in Turbines pursuit of money they have as far as I'm concerned made it P2W now, which by the way they said initially that they never would.
DC Universe is far to early to see what will happen, but unless they changed the game significantly then I'm guessing those players will be bored within a month or two and that 1000% will decrease as far as players online rather than just players registered. Big difference.
Wasn't it Minecraft or Farmville that just recently lost half a million players.
We are yet to see what happens to F2P games over extended periods of time and probably won't really know for another 4-5 years from now.
I still maintain that if you have a game that is fun and engaging then people will have no problem paying a subscription for it. I've tried quite a few of the F2P games over the last couple of years and the deliberately painfull gameplay the developers put in them so that you want to buy things from the cash shop is just downright annoying.
I would much rather devs work at keeping me interested month to month, rather than trying to work out ways to nickel and dime me.
Back on topic, CCP definately knee capped WiS with the NEX Store. That does absolutely zero to entice new players to EVE and only removes things that players could of been involved in which would have broadened the games appeal. Whoever came up with it didn't have any idea about EVE, the sandbox, the lore or anything else that would benefit the game itself. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
61
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Posted - 2011.11.11 07:17:00 -
[1144] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote: And you can correct me if I'm wrong but from the tone of what you have said it would appear that you want a different game entirely.
*Sighs* No, we don't want 'a different game entirely'. We want a game that innovates. We want a game that isn't stuck in the same 'dungeon-expansion pack-dungeon-expansion pack' rut that other games have fallen into. WiS-haters dislike us because we're intruding into their precious territory -- how dare us all for playing with their Matchbox starship collection and actually getting bored. Seriously, though, it's quite surreal how something as mundane as putting a shirt on a digital 'person' can cause so much drah-mah. Is that a royal we? The thing is do you really think the FiS lovers would have really cared one bit about WiS if development of FiS hadn't virtually ceased in favour of things like WiS, WoD, etc. I doubt it, if they had been getting new toys then they wouldn't have cared less what was going in the WiS toybox. CCP themselves have created this divide.
I dunno, I don't feel very royal these days .
And I'm not disputing that CCP caused the WiS/FiS kerfluffle. What I'm really trying to point out is how incredibly ridiculous the entire argument is. All of this back-and-forth over starships vs. clothes. It's become nothing more than an extended battle of 'Captain Picard vs. the Laundry Hamper'.
Look, WiS-haters, a number of us Incarna supporters agree with you -- we don't want FiS to suffer any more than you do; at the same time, we want WiS to be done right, just like you want FiS done right. We understand you're choked -- we play the same game you do, and we were just as disappointed by Incarna's botched delivery.
Still, take a good look at what you're arguing about: whether or not digital laundry is better than internet spaceships. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
115
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Posted - 2011.11.11 08:40:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote: And you can correct me if I'm wrong but from the tone of what you have said it would appear that you want a different game entirely.
*Sighs* No, we don't want 'a different game entirely'. We want a game that innovates. We want a game that isn't stuck in the same 'dungeon-expansion pack-dungeon-expansion pack' rut that other games have fallen into. WiS-haters dislike us because we're intruding into their precious territory -- how dare us all for playing with their Matchbox starship collection and actually getting bored. Seriously, though, it's quite surreal how something as mundane as putting a shirt on a digital 'person' can cause so much drah-mah. Is that a royal we? The thing is do you really think the FiS lovers would have really cared one bit about WiS if development of FiS hadn't virtually ceased in favour of things like WiS, WoD, etc. I doubt it, if they had been getting new toys then they wouldn't have cared less what was going in the WiS toybox. CCP themselves have created this divide. I dunno, I don't feel very royal these days . And I'm not disputing that CCP caused the WiS/FiS kerfluffle. What I'm really trying to point out is how incredibly ridiculous the entire argument is. All of this back-and-forth over starships vs. clothes. It's become nothing more than an extended battle of 'Captain Picard vs. the Laundry Hamper'. Look, WiS-haters, a number of us Incarna supporters agree with you -- we don't want FiS to suffer any more than you do; at the same time, we want WiS to be done right, just like you want FiS done right. We understand you're choked -- we play the same game you do, and we were just as disappointed by Incarna's botched delivery. Still, take a good look at what you're arguing about: whether or not digital laundry is better than internet spaceships. Concider what is happening at the moment. If you have logged into Sisi then you will have seen that the avatar graphics have suddenly jumped in quality, so why is that you might ask. I believe it's because for now they don't need to render multiple toons in one area so they can afford to give the one avatar you see much greater detail.
This is just one of the problems I think that CCP were having with a full blown WiS where you not only have multiple players in one area but also NPC's as well and I don't think that Carbon could handle it just yet.
Concider also that if CCP released more of WiS and it turned out to have little in the way of gameplay, was boring after just a quick scoot around, etc, don't you think a number of people would look at that and then say 'you spent all that time, money and effort and that's it'. This would just be throwing fuel on the fire of discontent against WiS we have already seen.
CCP are currently better off flying under the radar with WiS for now.
And this is from someone who would like to see a meaningful, fun and interesting use of WiS rather than the featureless NEX Store infested garbage CCP was making it into. I would have been happy to see Ambulation released, but for some reason it seems CCP thought we would accept a watered down Aurum poluted version of it.
Even things like clothing, go and have a look at some of the old pictures and videos of what we would have had in Ambulation compared to what we have now. Those clothes fit the EVE lore, sad that they put someone clueless in charge of clothing design for Incarna.
Doing what they did with clothing would be like taking all the different factions ships and scrapping them in favour of some generic crap. It's the flavour and immersion that CCP killed with their choices.
I remember looking at the old protraits and knowing straight away, that's an arrogant Amarr or that's a very liberal thinking Gallante just from the visual cues. That immersion has been lost. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
42
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Posted - 2011.11.11 11:16:00 -
[1146] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote: Keep in mind that a majority of subscription-based game companies have been posting losses this year as the industry moves towards the free-to-play model, not just CCP (Blizzard/WOW has lost 1.7 million subscriptions in the last 9 months alone). .
This may well be the case, but there is always going to be a market for the serious gamer who doesn't want a Pay To Win model.
A lot of people who play thse Pay To Win games are happy not to pay and, yes, one will get Eve players who want Pay To Win.
The pendulum may swing towards micro-transactions overall, but there will always be a strong core of players whowant something as involved, complex and deep as Eve and will be willing to pay for it each month.
Unless CCP lose their way then I expect to be here for many a year.
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
42
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Posted - 2011.11.11 11:33:00 -
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Blastier wrote:I might consider coming back if it were free to play... maybe.... my account is about to expire. Frankly, I signed up for this long ago because I imagined doing awesome FiS stuff coupled with being able to dock and sit down with friends in station and do 'whatever!'
CCP led me on a string, but thankfully they squandered my money
I feel insulted and I could never come back after that announcement. They ****** up and sorry.
Good luck
This is exactly what I have seen in other games. Or not seen.
In EverQuest, Asheron's Call 1/2, WoW and the rest there's no real interaction between the players out of the core of what the game is supposed to be doing.
In any of the MMOs that I have played I have never found a tavern/bar full of players just sitting and chatting the hours away. The only time when I have seen soemthing is when a guild decides to have a meeting for the heck of it. It's so rare that passing players actually comment and since everhing is done in Guild/Corp chat a passer-by sees, a group of players doing nothing.
And that is the rare exception of players interacting in these places.
I have been shot down for 'not having any imagination' about what players can do in stations. Well, it must be the whole of the MMO community which has the same problem because I have never seen anything done elsewhere.
One commentator suggested that we could run bets on PvP figths outside. Hmm, has he considered how running a book is going to work; running a book is never easy - and would be impossible in game. Trust me, I've done bookkeeping many a time and it wouldn't work in Eve.
What would be different is that CCP ought to look at these structures. Would would it be like to run CONCORD from a base, to control a stargate or to run the docks on a station? Those who have played games such as En Garde will now what I mean. That could add no end of possibiliues to he game. Just walking around like The Sims won't.
Yes, it will look good but it won't add anything to the game. In fact, it wil detract from the lore; we're supposed to be demi-gods, arrogant and aloof. We're supposed to be plugged into our starships and be part of the universe all around; our ships' sensors are our eyes and ears. We have power when we're plugged into our ships and this is when we're gods.
CCP should open the game universeve more but WiS really won't add anything. Consider instead the power of controlling the refineries, the data feeds to the markets and the rest. That i where the game should be going.
But, at the end of the day, I am not opposed to WiS if, and only if, it adds something to the game and CCP has to pull a rather large and special rabbit out a hat to do so. |
WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
69
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Posted - 2011.11.11 13:16:00 -
[1148] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote: CCP should open the game universe even more but WiS really won't add anything. Consider instead the power of controlling the refineries, the data feeds to the markets and the rest. That is where the game should be going.
But, at the end of the day, I am not opposed to WiS if, and only if, it adds something to the game and CCP has to pull a rather large and special rabbit out a hat to do so.
Wis can add something. Consider the market. You can buy Illegal items and faction ships on the legal open market. This is immersion breaking.
Much better to have illegal and faction items only available on a person to person contract basis. Meet the guy in the alley behind the bar and sell your drugs.
Get invited into the corp bar and deal with the faction ship seller face to face. Maybe he doesnt like your face. Maybe he charges you more. Maybe hes a **** and you dont buy.
In other words WIS can be used to HUMANISE the world - and the best way is through transactions. Faction ships and items are cool and awesome, you SHOULD have to do a little more legwork to get your paws on a cormacs modified whatever.
One other thing. PVP in stations, it will be necessary eventually if this is to fly. Heres one way to do it: Bounties. Bounties are placed on the head of the character, not his ship. So kill in in station and get the reward. Difficulty: an orgy of violence. Solution: faction and security standings indicate whether station authorities will gank you for killing a person with bounty. IF they dont like him, you might get away with it. IF they really like you, you might get away with it. All implants get wasted of course. Race would come into it. Kill too many Gallente players and they will brand you a "racist" down on the farm in Osmeden, you wont be able to spit on the sidewalk without the heat putting you in stir. Kill someone with no bounty and its the gas chamber for you (and the authorities will garnish your wallet income for his implants).
In short: crime. Thats where WIS pvp should go. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
43
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:19:00 -
[1149] - Quote
Yes, crime. That is a whole area which has been overlooked.
But we don't need to have WiS to have bootlegging, sabotage and other stuff. We can do that in the ships.
Crime. That would be good if CCP explored that more. |
Cpt Greagor
Liquid Relief
39
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:22:00 -
[1150] - Quote
A lot of people might want WiS.
A lot more people definitely want FiS though. |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
152
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:32:00 -
[1151] - Quote
WisdomLikeSilence wrote: Wis can add something. Consider the market. You can buy Illegal items and faction ships on the legal open market. This is immersion breaking.
Maybe immersion breaking for you. But I, for one, prefer buying books online than going to my local bookstore.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
T-Jay Charante
The Scope Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:47:00 -
[1152] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:WisdomLikeSilence wrote: Wis can add something. Consider the market. You can buy Illegal items and faction ships on the legal open market. This is immersion breaking.
Maybe immersion breaking for you. But I, for one, prefer buying books online than going to my local bookstore.
Where do you live that books are illegal?!
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
152
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:56:00 -
[1153] - Quote
T-Jay Charante wrote:Alpheias wrote:WisdomLikeSilence wrote: Wis can add something. Consider the market. You can buy Illegal items and faction ships on the legal open market. This is immersion breaking.
Maybe immersion breaking for you. But I, for one, prefer buying books online than going to my local bookstore. Where do you live that books are illegal?!
Might as well be. Rational and independent thinking seems to be what scares people the most these days. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
75
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Posted - 2011.11.11 17:58:00 -
[1154] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Blastier wrote:I might consider coming back if it were free to play... maybe.... my account is about to expire. Frankly, I signed up for this long ago because I imagined doing awesome FiS stuff coupled with being able to dock and sit down with friends in station and do 'whatever!'
CCP led me on a string, but thankfully they squandered my money
I feel insulted and I could never come back after that announcement. They ****** up and sorry.
Good luck This is exactly what I have seen in other games. Or not seen. In EverQuest, Asheron's Call 1/2, WoW and the rest there's no real interaction between the players out of the core of what the game is supposed to be doing. In any of the MMOs that I have played I have never found a tavern/bar full of players just sitting and chatting the hours away. The only time when I have seen soemthing is when a guild decides to have a meeting for the heck of it. It's so rare that passing players actually comment and since everhing is done in Guild/Corp chat a passer-by sees, a group of players doing nothing......
Good points.
Spending so much time on Walking in stations was such a bad idea for eve I'm really starting to think many of the people posting that they want ccp to return to wis are working for competitors. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:25:00 -
[1155] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:So... CCP... where is my WiS???
Quote:World of Darkness will continue development with a significantly reduced team. This team will continue to iterate and expand on the gameplay and systems they have designed. We will also redeploy creative teams in Atlanta to support the launch of DUST 514. WiS was a direct and obvious beta testing program for WoD. Where is your WiS? See above. Quote:We were promised this 4 years ago no we were promised AMBULATION 4 years ago. WiS =/= Ambulation 12 * 3 (cause theyre gonna alt this up good) * 2 (cause you know theyre gonna run two accounts - most ppl do I hear) = 72 ppl. Its still 12 ppl base tho.
this
72 alts - thats why it looks like theres a lot of people FOR WiS They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:24:00 -
[1156] - Quote
Cpt Greagor wrote:A lot of people might want WiS.
A lot more people definitely want FiS though. Show us you data.
Put me in the "wants WiS" catagory. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
47
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:40:00 -
[1157] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:Cpt Greagor wrote:A lot of people might want WiS.
A lot more people definitely want FiS though. Show us you data. Put me in the "wants WiS" catagory.
Flying In Space? Well, let's count the people in the specialist forums; Exploration, Combat, Markets, Industry, etc etc -- these are all people who want Eve in the current FiS state.
The Walking In Stations crowd. Again, which forum is that?
Walking around, scratching the back of one's head is not Eve. There are games such as EQ and WoW which require walking around. At the moment there is no game mechanic in place which fits into Eve and improves the game.
There can be lots of stuff which can be done in-station but little or none of it needs to be done outside of a pod. The whole point of Eve is that we're in that pod.
Look, don't get me wrong -- if there were a good reason to be outside of a pod, I'd be there. But there isn't and there has been a complete dearth of good reasons to get out other than "I want to". WiS was, or is, a diseased test environment for a game for sub-pubescent teens and that's it.
We're playing a game where we're immortals, demi-gods who roam amongst the stars - not fashionistas rummaging around clothes racks. We're supposed to be out there bringing down corporations and alliances; not trying on shoes! |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:50:00 -
[1158] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Soulpirate wrote:Cpt Greagor wrote:A lot of people might want WiS.
A lot more people definitely want FiS though. Show us you data. Put me in the "wants WiS" catagory. Flying In Space? Well, let's count the people in the specialist forums; Exploration, Combat, Markets, Industry, etc etc -- these are all people who want Eve in the current FiS state. The Walking In Stations crowd. Again, which forum is that? Walking around, scratching the back of one's head is not Eve. There are games such as EQ and WoW which require walking around. At the moment there is no game mechanic in place which fits into Eve and improves the game. There can be lots of stuff which can be done in-station but little or none of it needs to be done outside of a pod. The whole point of Eve is that we're in that pod. Look, don't get me wrong -- if there were a good reason to be outside of a pod, I'd be there. But there isn't and there has been a complete dearth of good reasons to get out other than "I want to". WiS was, or is, a diseased test environment for a game for sub-pubescent teens and that's it. We're playing a game where we're immortals, demi-gods who roam amongst the stars - not fashionistas rummaging around clothes racks. We're supposed to be out there bringing down corporations and alliances; not trying on shoes! Have you always been scared of change?
Let me guess, in rl you have a government and/or union job. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
75
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:52:00 -
[1159] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Soulpirate wrote:Cpt Greagor wrote:A lot of people might want WiS.
A lot more people definitely want FiS though. Show us you data. Put me in the "wants WiS" catagory. Flying In Space? Well, let's count the people in the specialist forums; Exploration, Combat, Markets, Industry, etc etc -- these are all people who want Eve in the current FiS state. The Walking In Stations crowd. Again, which forum is that? Walking around, scratching the back of one's head is not Eve. There are games such as EQ and WoW which require walking around. At the moment there is no game mechanic in place which fits into Eve and improves the game. There can be lots of stuff which can be done in-station but little or none of it needs to be done outside of a pod. The whole point of Eve is that we're in that pod. Look, don't get me wrong -- if there were a good reason to be outside of a pod, I'd be there. But there isn't and there has been a complete dearth of good reasons to get out other than "I want to". WiS was, or is, a diseased test environment for a game for sub-pubescent teens and that's it. We're playing a game where we're immortals, demi-gods who roam amongst the stars - not fashionistas rummaging around clothes racks. We're supposed to be out there bringing down corporations and alliances; not trying on shoes! Have you always been scared of change? Let me guess, in rl you have a government and/or union job.
Nothing in his post even remotely suggests "walking in stations" will make him scared. He is pointing out "walking in stations" will make him, and most people bored.
If you don't think it will be boring please tell me the games where you mostly walk around and "interact with others". Really lets hear about all the great "walking in ____" games that have been such big hits. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Mekela
Vinyl Roid
52
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Posted - 2011.11.12 01:23:00 -
[1160] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:
we were promised AMBULATION 4 years ago. WiS =/= Ambulation
12 * 3 (cause theyre gonna alt this up good) * 2 (cause you know theyre gonna run two accounts - most ppl do I hear) = 72 ppl. Its still 12 ppl base tho.
this
72 alts - thats why it looks like theres a lot of people FOR WiS
Hum I think you have it backwards for I asume all those alts are those that are anti WiS. Its foolish to assume who is using alts and who isn't and anyone who isn't CCP that trys to say it is so is desperation in hopes that others might believe you aren't loosing the arguement.
Also: To ambulate is to walk about or move from place to place. Thus in the context of Eve WiS is walking about so - WiS == Ambulation |
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Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2011.11.12 02:41:00 -
[1161] - Quote
Cearain wrote:...If you don't think it will be boring please tell me the games where you mostly walk around and "interact with others". Really lets hear about all the great "walking in ____" games that have been such big hits...
GÇóThe Sims GÇô 17,000,000 (2010) GÇóSecond Life - 8,000,000 (mid 2010) GÇóWorld of Warcraft GÇô 11,000,000 (2011) GÇóAion - 3,400,000 (mid 2010) GÇóRunescape GÇô 1,300,000 (2009) GÇóLineage GÇô 750,000 (2009) GÇóLineage II GÇô 750,000 (2009) GÇóDofus GÇô 520,000 (mid 2010) GÇóFinal Fantasy XI GÇô 350,000 (mid 2010) GÇóEve Online GÇô 325,000 (2011) GÇóLord of the Rings Online GÇô 210,000 (mid 2010) GÇóCity of Heroes/Villains - 125,000 (2009) GÇóAge of Conan GÇô 120,000 (mid 2010) GÇóUltima Online - 100,000 (2009) GÇóEverquest - 100,000 (mid 2010) GÇóWarhammer Online GÇô 80,000 (2010)
After 8 years, EVE is still sitting at under 400,000. The two biggest 'hits' (like them or not) are entirely 'interact with others' games. There *is* a market for social gameplay.
I don't advocate silliness in any way and seek only RELEVANT, MEANINGFUL gameplay that fits into the EVE universe. I strongly believe that expanding EVE into additional playstyles will expland their customer base. I also believe that DUST could be a huge benefit to EVE's population - Battlefield 3 recently sold 2 million copies in a single weekend, and Modern Warfare 3 has sold over 8 million in a week. Regrettibly, DUST is being marketted to the console crowd and they're not likely to remain customers for more than a few months (whereas we PC types are notoriously loyal). |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:21:00 -
[1162] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Soulpirate wrote:Cpt Greagor wrote:A lot of people might want WiS.
A lot more people definitely want FiS though. Show us you data. Put me in the "wants WiS" catagory. Flying In Space? Well, let's count the people in the specialist forums; Exploration, Combat, Markets, Industry, etc etc -- these are all people who want Eve in the current FiS state.
The Walking In Stations crowd. Again, which forum is that?Walking around, scratching the back of one's head is not Eve. There are games such as EQ and WoW which require walking around. At the moment there is no game mechanic in place which fits into Eve and improves the game. There can be lots of stuff which can be done in-station but little or none of it needs to be done outside of a pod. The whole point of Eve is that we're in that pod. Look, don't get me wrong -- if there were a good reason to be outside of a pod, I'd be there. But there isn't and there has been a complete dearth of good reasons to get out other than "I want to". WiS was, or is, a diseased test environment for a game for sub-pubescent teens and that's it.We're playing a game where we're immortals, demi-gods who roam amongst the stars - not fashionistas rummaging around clothes racks. We're supposed to be out there bringing down corporations and alliances; not trying on shoes!
Not this old song and dance again, come on and change the record already, that tune has gotten old. Since you insist on singing it, I'll address the bolded parts since the rest of your posted reply is just hogwash.
First of all, speak for yourself. You're not the voice of the eve community.
Those sub forum channels pertain to specific careers and are 'specialized'. You won't see threads about ship fitting being posted in 'Market Discussions' or threads about combat tactics being posted in 'Skills Discussions'. So that leaves a few sub forum channels open to post threads about WiS which would be 'Features and Ideas Discussions', 'Assembly Hall' and oh wait, 'General Discussion'.
Unfortunately, the other sub forum channels basically regard 'General Discussion' as 'Troll Heaven'.
Now about "Eve in the current FiS state", maybe if you had bothered to check those various different 'specialized' sub forum channels, you would have noticed over the years that there's been a lot of disappointment threads being posted. Mainly about various bugs and half finished content pertaining to each specific channel..
As for the second bolded part, using the word - dearth - was a nice touch but still incorrect. Dearth means lack, shortage or scarcity. I as well as others have posted in this thread various different ideas for WiS game play content. Again you rant and rave that you haven't seen any when examples have been placed right in front of you. You've played that card a few times now and have been called on it each time. Also the idea of WiS and Ambulation that was presented a few years ago is completely different compared to the Captains Quarters that we now have.
Basically all of your posts have been nothing more than an elaborate charade, attempting to cover-up an intentional troll while trying to fan a forum flame war..
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.11.12 08:26:00 -
[1163] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote:Cearain wrote:...If you don't think it will be boring please tell me the games where you mostly walk around and "interact with others". Really lets hear about all the great "walking in ____" games that have been such big hits... GÇóThe Sims GÇô 17,000,000 (2010) GÇóSecond Life - 8,000,000 (mid 2010) GÇóWorld of Warcraft GÇô 11,000,000 (2011) GÇóAion - 3,400,000 (mid 2010) GÇóRunescape GÇô 1,300,000 (2009) GÇóLineage GÇô 750,000 (2009) GÇóLineage II GÇô 750,000 (2009) GÇóDofus GÇô 520,000 (mid 2010) GÇóFinal Fantasy XI GÇô 350,000 (mid 2010) GÇóEve Online GÇô 325,000 (2011)GÇóLord of the Rings Online GÇô 210,000 (mid 2010) GÇóCity of Heroes/Villains - 125,000 (2009) GÇóAge of Conan GÇô 120,000 (mid 2010) GÇóUltima Online - 100,000 (2009) GÇóEverquest - 100,000 (mid 2010) GÇóWarhammer Online GÇô 80,000 (2010) The two biggest 'hits' (like them or not) are entirely 'interact with others' games. After 8 years, EVE is still sitting at under 400,000. There *is* a market for social gameplay. Applying this to EVE, it would need to be REVELANT and MEANGFUL (as witnessed by the recent flop of Incarna's single-cell room and monocle fiasco).
all those games suck balls especially the korean ones, that's why i play eve, don't bring that crap here please the tldr of my wall of text reply is that you are stupid for making such a comparison it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.11.12 08:33:00 -
[1164] - Quote
WisdomLikeSilence wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote: CCP should open the game universe even more but WiS really won't add anything. Consider instead the power of controlling the refineries, the data feeds to the markets and the rest. That is where the game should be going.
But, at the end of the day, I am not opposed to WiS if, and only if, it adds something to the game and CCP has to pull a rather large and special rabbit out a hat to do so.
Wis can add something. Consider the market. You can buy Illegal items and faction ships on the legal open market. This is immersion breaking. Much better to have illegal and faction items only available on a person to person contract basis. Meet the guy in the alley behind the bar and sell your drugs. Get invited into the corp bar and deal with the faction ship seller face to face. Maybe he doesnt like your face. Maybe he charges you more. Maybe hes a **** and you dont buy. In other words WIS can be used to HUMANISE the world - and the best way is through transactions. Faction ships and items are cool and awesome, you SHOULD have to do a little more legwork to get your paws on a cormacs modified whatever. One other thing. PVP in stations, it will be necessary eventually if this is to fly. Heres one way to do it: Bounties. Bounties are placed on the head of the character, not his ship. So kill in in station and get the reward. Difficulty: an orgy of violence. Solution: faction and security standings indicate whether station authorities will gank you for killing a person with bounty. IF they dont like him, you might get away with it. IF they really like you, you might get away with it. All implants get wasted of course. Race would come into it. Kill too many Gallente players and they will brand you a "racist" down on the farm in Osmeden, you wont be able to spit on the sidewalk without the heat putting you in stir. Kill someone with no bounty and its the gas chamber for you (and the authorities will garnish your wallet income for his implants). In short: crime. Thats where WIS pvp should go.
describe to me combat in stations no really how would it work? squad up with your buddies stack up on the door of my cq and voice coms breech 321 and i logoffski? think about it it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
47
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Posted - 2011.11.12 09:25:00 -
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Soulpirate wrote: Have you always been scared of change?
Let me guess, in rl you have a government and/or union job.
Gosh, you are so inaccurate that my sides still hurt from laughing.
Your question; utterly and totally wrong. You haven't got a clue about me, what changes I have instigated over the years. Not all change is a good change, we all know that. Some changes are for the better. Walking in Station is not, at the moment, a (pun alert) postive step forward.
If I were frightened of change I still would be playing hand moderated play by mail games as we did in the 70s.
Your guess. Let's see, now I don't think that professional punter, and have been for over twelve years, was anywhere near to what you imagined.
Union or Government job? Who wouldn't want to be in the NUM when Scargill was in charge? Government jobs; well, there are some great jobs. My father was, for example, one of those boffins in the MoD - for exampe, he was the first person in the UK to get his hands on a microprocessor. The amount of changes he brought to the modern world, stuff that you take for granted each day, brought about by him would make your eyes water. The list of patents he had via the MoD are as long as your arm. You haven't got a clue, have you, and would prefer to simply pour out schoolyard taunts? Scared of change? Ha! Not here, not in this household - would it have been too much to find out a little about me first without firing off comments like that (which didn't quite reply to my question, by the way)?
Still, if you wish to resort to petty insults then do it from the safety and security of the Nex changing rooms. I have no time for people who try to belittle others with such comments as yours. And the next time you need a dustbin emptied, a wound healed, a criminal caught and tried, a fire extinguished, a war fighting or you deal with someone on a decent and living wage just be thankful of that government employee or union member. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2011.11.12 09:27:00 -
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change is change is change.
There is nothing like good or bad changes.
Simple fact that after an change milions of people dies does not makes the change bad. It just makes you feel bad about said change. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
47
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Posted - 2011.11.12 10:10:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Basically all of your posts have been nothing more than an elaborate charade, attempting to cover-up an intentional troll while trying to fan a forum flame war..
Actually I do enjoy your posts. Your pro-WiS posts are one of the few which I do enjoy reading as they do contain some good points.
Right, if you're going to embolden passages and make comments on then do comment on the fact that I said that I would be out of that pod if there were good reason to.
You have, in the past, made some good suggestions for in-station stuff. I have commented on these in previous posts and, in fact, your suggestions are really the one decent ones that I have read. The problem is that after a while people won't wish to undertake these activities. I have asked many a time the same question and have not received one good reply yet - perhaps you will be the first. What is to stop EVE's WiS being like other games where the taverns and bars are always empty?
Yes, this may be the same question asked time and time again because there have been no real answers to address this question. Current answers include "you're a troll" and "I work for the goverment or have a union job". Not quite the constructive answer I was looking for. And neither is the accusation that I consider myself "The Voice of Eve", though I do admit to smiling when I read that.
We have about 70,000 people logged in at one time. There are goodness knows how many stations there are. Not everyone is going to be wanted to be in the same station; in fact they're not going to be able to get to the same system if they so wished. So if we wanted to have a mass of players walking around Jita IV doing starase things we need to get all those people who fly into Jita (taking it in turns to arrive because the gates close down), then they have to land into the same station and then they have want, not be forced, to get out and have a pint in Jita's bars.
If we want to aim for, say fifty people in an auditorium (and note that I am all for this idea so please don't try to say that I don't wish it -- this is the stuff which that rabbit could be made) for an event then CCP needs to make sure that ti all works and then we need to get those fifty people have a reason to be there. There could be, for example, a presentation by CCP broadcast to all four Empires and to low sec as one.
But it has to work and it has to be seen to work. Moreover, there has to be a critical mass of people walking in stations which must be maintained at all times. Lose that and you lose WiS.
Other games such as EQ and WoW get around this by having quests given by people in towns and merchants present. That is the only reason why people go to towns in those games (I include marketplaces, guild halls and the like here). In EVE it's different; we have the markets set up different and we don't need to get out of the pod to have that mission.
So if you wish to have galleries and halls filled with people every day and all day then there has to be a good continuous reason to do so. Like I have said, if there is that reason then I will be out of that pod like a shot. But, what is it? |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
36
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Posted - 2011.11.12 11:30:00 -
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The answer is they won't always be full, just like every market isn't full of orders nor every station full of manufacturing jobs. You don't need a full station to make WiS work, all you need is purpose.
Purpose can come in any form, and as suggested: - requiring illicit or unique items in-person - interacting with corp mates, friends, randoms - NPCs managed by players even when players are not present (think that' s insane, check out the E3 demo) - on-station missions - mini-games at bars (yep, that's E3 demo again, they had this working what... 3 years ago?)
With even half the creativity in this thread and given the developer time we pay for over at CCP, they could implement a half dozen reasons to compel players to participate in WiS (not all players, since there's not a single activity in EVE that compels every player to participate in it).
Lastly, never underestimate the power of strippers. |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2011.11.12 13:54:00 -
[1169] - Quote
There's nothing like a good old revolution for "change" so we can put things right back as they used to be. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
167
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:45:00 -
[1170] - Quote
Nypheas Azurai wrote:The answer is they won't always be full, just like every market isn't full of orders nor every station full of manufacturing jobs. You don't need a full station to make WiS work, all you need is purpose.
Purpose can come in any form, and as suggested: - requiring illicit or unique items in-person - interacting with corp mates, friends, randoms - NPCs managed by players even when players are not present (think that' s insane, check out the E3 demo) - on-station missions - mini-games at bars (yep, that's E3 demo again, they had this working what... 3 years ago?)
With even half the creativity in this thread and given the developer time we pay for over at CCP, they could implement a half dozen reasons to compel players to participate in WiS (not all players, since there's not a single activity in EVE that compels every player to participate in it).
Lastly, never underestimate the power of strippers.
This.
When Eve first came on-line, it was a couple of frigates doing strictly PvP content. That was it. nothing more. Then a few more ships were added, more Pew Pew stuff was added. Everything was excellent. The game was growing. Then CCP decided to add some PvE stuff. Just a couple of agents offering some missions.
Wait, PvE stuff in my PvP game?
Oh say it isn't so, please don't let this happen, it'll beak the game.
Some players emo-raged while others canceled their accounts and bio massed their characters. But more importantly, a lot more people joined the game. More content was added. The game was growing and changing. Soon the Eve community split up into 2 groups, PvP only content verses everything else. For the longest time it was like this, each time the game changed, those players who were opposed to change would jump up and yell 'The sky is falling'. Each time there would be some emo rage, some accounts canceled and then even more players joined the game.
Such is life.
Then CCP introduced PLEX into the game. Spend real money for an item that can be redeemed in game for more subscription time or be sold for isk to massively boost a players wallet.
Wait, MT stuff in my Player ran sandbox game?
Oh say it isn't so, please don't let this happen, it'll beak the game.
Again players who were opposed to change jumped up and yelled 'The sky is falling'. Some players emo-raged while others canceled their accounts and bio massed their characters. But more importantly, a lot more people joined the game. The game continued to change and grow. Over the years, CCP has added a lot of game content, both for PvP and for PvE.
Somehow the two groups have now intertwined and the community is no longer PvP only verses everything else. It has now turned into FiS only verses everything else. Again players who are opposed to change jump up and yell 'The sky is falling'. Some players emo-raged while others canceled their accounts and bio massed their characters.
Sure, the execution of this new game content was poorly done. As was all the other recent events done over the summer. The main problem was CCP combining an MT release with a totally new game content idea, not to mention neglecting Eve to work on other projects. We all know the multiple problems associated with the Incarna expansion, from not being optimized to being something totally different than what we were shown years ago. This isn't the first time CCP has launched a fail expansion and it probably won't be the last.
However, this game is still changing and growing. Eve is much more than just a spaceship simulation doing FiS. It is and always has been changing into a complete Science Fiction Virtual Reality Universe. The whole idea of how to make 'Eve is Real' should be our focus as a community. WiS is just another step to making that happen. It is a new direction for the game which would open up much more game content. It won't kill FiS and It doesn't have to be FiS only verses everything else. WiS and FiS can both co-exist in this game just as PvP and PvE have done.
Life is change and change takes time.
I as well as others have already submitted ideas in this thread for new game content by adding Wis. Some of which includes both aspects of FiS and Wis working together. Those ideas are only limited by the imagination which over time, can become a reality. I'm not going to list those ideas again. I think a new thread should be started that's dedicated to listing possible scenarios for that new game content. That thread should probably be started in 'Features and Ideas Discussion' sub forum channel, definitely not here in 'General Discussion'.
Well, sooner or later WiS will eventually happen. Unfortunately it's going to be later but maybe this is a good thing. Personally I'd rather have CCP fix and finish all existing game content before adding any new stuff. Even if it takes a few years to do that. Then after that make sure any new stuff won't break different aspects of the game when implemented. Even if that means having only one expansion per year. I'd rather have one bug free completed expansion per year than have two rushed uncompleted bugged expansions per year. |
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
47
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:58:00 -
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Like I have said before; I enjoy your posts and this latest one particularly so.
I don't think that there's a lot in there I can argue against. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
154
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Posted - 2011.11.12 17:23:00 -
[1172] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote:
The two biggest 'hits' (like them or not) are entirely 'interact with others' games. After 8 years, EVE is still sitting at under 400,000. There *is* a market for social gameplay. Applying this to EVE, it would need to be REVELANT and MEANGFUL (as witnessed by the recent flop of Incarna's single-cell room and monocle fiasco).
You are oblivious to one minor detail though; EVE is a niche game. Can you honestly say what MMOs on your list share that with EVE?
But when you say "a market for social gameplay", I wonder what you really mean because there is already social gameplay and it has always existed in EVE. Social gameplay is the very foundation in all MMOs and comes in the shape of a clan, a guild or a corp, but in the end what you are looking at are communities within the MMO; people collaborating in the game to reach a certain goal.
In that regard, EVE is no different from any of those games on your list. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
21
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Posted - 2011.11.12 18:05:00 -
[1173] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:The vast majority of the player base does still want WIS, there has been increasing demand for some years now.
However:
They want it implemented in the way that was outlined in the beginning, with engaging game play that made sense to take place in that environment.
They want it developed to the point that it is worthwhile before it is released.
They want it developed with a REASONABLE percentage of Dev resources devoted to it, not most of them.
They want it to be tech stable before it is released, and running smoothly.
They want it to be optional.
They want it to compliment and enhance FIS content.
They want any items produced by/for Incarna to be produced by the community and tie directly into the existing industry infra structure.
Simply put, they want it to be worth while, fun, and have a point.
Until they get a handle on how to do this, further development is pointless.
Work on the plan, not the product at this point.
What he said. And, I think all the people complaining about Barbie this and Barbie that can just be quiet at this point. You're not interested. We get it.
So it goes. |
Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
21
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Posted - 2011.11.12 18:12:00 -
[1174] - Quote
Also, a quick note for all the elaborate internet flamez I'm reading on this and other posts:
If their insult is short and sweet, and your reply is several paragraphs long, you have not won. You have not succeeded in showing the world you are above their petty namecalling. You have not proven how you are as far beyond them as they are beyond chimps.
What you have done, my wordy friends, is fed the troll.
So it goes. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
76
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Posted - 2011.11.12 18:40:00 -
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Quoting myself from an old thread...
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:What I would like for Incarna...
- First of all, I want interactable NPCs. Because my life in New Eden is spent in stations where I barely can see 8 other guys docked at once and playing all roles of the play because of being alone in a big empty station doesn't suits my taste.
- I want some 20th century technology. I want a holo-chat to speak with people in the other corner of the universe & interact with their virtual personae, rather than a silly text box in the lower left corner of my screen. It's called a videoconference, just in case you wonder.
- I want public spaces (theaters?) that can be rent/hired/whatever to hold public events: give awards, corporate meetings, employer of the month parties, whatever. Military parades by dust bunnies, beauty contests, roleplaying sessions, any events that the players can develop on their own to fill the void without a need to have a huge corporarion that owes the "establishment", just hire it, do your stuff, then leave.
- I want to have a gazillion emotes, i want to kiss, hug, slap, spit, hifive or just touch other players. I want to be able to dance a tango or waltz with a man i like (or a woman!) or do some line dancing or a jig or whatever...
- All in all... I want that Incarna allows people to have fun in New Eden by socializing rather than trying to kill each other. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
21
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Posted - 2011.11.12 19:00:00 -
[1176] - Quote
@Ishtanchuk
For some reason, I can't quote the part of the post that is relevant.
The reason you should keep playing EVE is because it's still profoundly a niche game, and that niche is an entire idea, not a simple game mechanic. And it's just plain good. As for the things that you would like and have not been delivered (yet, I hope), there are plenty of people - myself included - who agree with you posting on the forums that CCP may take it to heart. So all is not lost. That's why I keep paying. So it goes. |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2011.11.12 23:27:00 -
[1177] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:...You are oblivious to one minor detail though; EVE is a niche game. Can you honestly say what MMOs on your list share that with EVE? ...
Can you honestly tell me that CCP is happy being a niche company? No board of directors in their right mind should willingly turn away opportunity to expand, grow, and make more money. It's important to look at CCP's future from a company-level aspect and consider what will facilitate growth. Keeping current players happy is important since it will increase retention of existing subscriptions, but part of the company *must* work towards new customers, and therefore must continually 'reinvent' EVE in the public eye.
Alpheias wrote:...But when you say "a market for social gameplay", I wonder what you really mean because there is already social gameplay and it has always existed in EVE...
My post was merely a response to a previous poster who was asking 'where are the successful social games?'. I was pointing out a few. I certainly don't want Sims-style gameplay in EVE because it's too silly... but expanding the game beyond the model we've had for the past 8 years is crucial to EVE's survivability.
I can't understand players that don't want EVE to expand. The average retention is under 6 months, which is pretty bad for an MMO. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
64
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Posted - 2011.11.13 00:10:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Nothing in his post even remotely suggests "walking in stations" will make him scared. He is pointing out "walking in stations" will make him, and most people bored.
If you don't think it will be boring please tell me the games where you mostly walk around and "interact with others". Really lets hear about all the great "walking in ____" games that have been such big hits.
I can see that he'd get bored -- after all, WiS does not equal spaceships, and that's what he's here to play.
If you get bored doing something, though, are you required to continue doing the things that make you bored?
Seriously, if it bugs you that much, turn the Quarters off. Don't use the NeX. Don't go into the station environments (if/when they arrive). There's plenty of EVE left without screaming 'I'm playing with dolls and that's not masculine enough, and how dare CCP change the game they own and operate without my permission'.
Yes, I was a little surprised that they shut down core development for a year to make Incarna (from almost any perspective, that's a really odd business decision), and I was disappointed that it stumbled so badly.
But again, just turn it off. Nobody has a particle cannon aimed at your head that'll blow your head off if you do. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2011.11.13 01:47:00 -
[1179] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:WisdomLikeSilence wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote: CCP should open the game universe even more but WiS really won't add anything. Consider instead the power of controlling the refineries, the data feeds to the markets and the rest. That is where the game should be going.
But, at the end of the day, I am not opposed to WiS if, and only if, it adds something to the game and CCP has to pull a rather large and special rabbit out a hat to do so.
Wis can add something. Consider the market. You can buy Illegal items and faction ships on the legal open market. This is immersion breaking. Much better to have illegal and faction items only available on a person to person contract basis. Meet the guy in the alley behind the bar and sell your drugs. Get invited into the corp bar and deal with the faction ship seller face to face. Maybe he doesnt like your face. Maybe he charges you more. Maybe hes a **** and you dont buy. In other words WIS can be used to HUMANISE the world - and the best way is through transactions. Faction ships and items are cool and awesome, you SHOULD have to do a little more legwork to get your paws on a cormacs modified whatever. One other thing. PVP in stations, it will be necessary eventually if this is to fly. Heres one way to do it: Bounties. Bounties are placed on the head of the character, not his ship. So kill in in station and get the reward. Difficulty: an orgy of violence. Solution: faction and security standings indicate whether station authorities will gank you for killing a person with bounty. IF they dont like him, you might get away with it. IF they really like you, you might get away with it. All implants get wasted of course. Race would come into it. Kill too many Gallente players and they will brand you a "racist" down on the farm in Osmeden, you wont be able to spit on the sidewalk without the heat putting you in stir. Kill someone with no bounty and its the gas chamber for you (and the authorities will garnish your wallet income for his implants). In short: crime. Thats where WIS pvp should go. describe to me combat in stations oh you mean like dust a brand new game? no really how would it work? squad up with your buddies stack up on the door of my cq and voice coms breech 321 and i logoffski? think about it also you have a nightmare to sell, you log on waiting for customers to show up, nobody shows up for 15 minutes, you alt tab check your email and then a customer came flew 20 jumps to your station walked all the way over to your store o/ yous 5 times no response the customers alt tabs out while you alt tab back o/ to customer and so on you call it humanizing when it is just busting every players balls. stop posting your half ass horrible ideas look i have a butt hole too who doesn't
Taiwanistan, you need to practice what you preach and stop posting your own version of half ass horrible doom and gloom propaganda.
Like I've said before, I as well as others have posted plenty of ideas for WiS game content. In answer to your question about WiS PvP, here's one scenario that's based on the Alliance Tournaments.
There would be CCP sanctioned PvP Arenas built into the Promenade section of stations. Sorta like in 'Mad Max - Beyond Thunderdome' (2 men enter, 1 man leaves). The Arena could be set up like a military training site / obstacle course. Same rules apply as it does in space. Engagements could be 1v1 or 5v5, etc. Could even have Logistics, etc. Rankings would be earned in this competition as well as isk. Teams would work their way up from Constellation Preliminary's through Regional Finals to Factional Championship. From there it could even turn into Inter-Factional Tournaments. This could also open up placing bets with ISK. The only way to view these competitions (God Forbid) would be to walk in station and be there in avatar form or view it on screen in other stations - Promenade Deck of course.
This is just one idea, there's plenty of other ideas too. Some even include FiS working with WiS.
Now about the customer buying the Nightmare or illegal items, everything is done by appointment. The time, date and location is all set up first. Plus there's plenty of ways to maintain contact with said parties who are enroute. Eve Mails, personal chat's, etc. Could even have an Assistant take over. And lets not forget about 'Rain Checks' since sometimes 'shlt does happen'.
WisdomLikeSilence's ideas are actually a good base that can be expanded on for developing WiS game content. I especially like the bounty idea. Has a lot of potential for adding new career, skills, etc.
Well, the possibility's are endless. All it takes is imagination and some time to make it a reality. |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
52
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Posted - 2011.11.13 02:56:00 -
[1180] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: describe to me combat in stations oh you mean like dust a brand new game? no really how would it work? squad up with your buddies stack up on the door of my cq and voice coms breech 321 and i logoffski? think about it
also you have a nightmare to sell, you log on waiting for customers to show up, nobody shows up for 15 minutes, you alt tab check your email and then a customer came flew 20 jumps to your station walked all the way over to your store o/ yous 5 times no response the customers alt tabs out while you alt tab back o/ to customer and so on you call it humanizing when it is just busting every players balls.
stop posting your half ass horrible ideas look i have a butt hole too who doesn't
They have long stated that eventually they want combat in stations - not dust but something else however that is their long term goals. Also it sounds like you have never played a FPS mmo, it is possible to do lots of things and make it fun.
You are one negative person, think of ways to solve problems. The waiting and no one showing up problem is easily solved. If you want to control it, CCP simply limits the number of stations that will allow player owned shops. Otherwise you simply let all stations and you will quickly find that certain stations become the populated stations (It would most likely corrispond to the trading hubs as people tend to like to have destination spots. (Malls resorts and other gathering places in RL prove this) Either way there will be places you could set up shop that would have population to support these stores.
As for what WiS could be the ideas are more than I or you could imagine. Try to think outside the box rather than proving you have no ideas by opening your mouth and belittling people when you can't think of how it would work.
Here are some ideas (some have been mentioned many times, others I thought of myself)
- First all the mini games that people would love to see (Poker, mind clash, that hex game they keep showing us, other table top games done sci fi)
- Myst style puzzle quest to solve on a station or somewhere else using Ambulation
- FPS pve and pvp station quests
- combination of space and station quest where you fly in space, distroy the ships protecting something then enter some sort of structure and do some tasks to complete the quest
- Corp and Alliance offices where you can have meetings with people face to face (rather than just TS)
I know there are more things that people can think of that would make Eve the true Sci Fi experiance many of us would love to see. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.11.13 04:11:00 -
[1181] - Quote
the only idea i like is poker/gambling, where in a few minutes you can lose much much more than a gank when you bet the farm when you alt-t trying to find anything of big value, like throwing your car keys on the card table the rest of them i really hate, call me a hater but shite is shite and will there be a simple "black market" button on the neo-com for those who wish to opt out? that is why you guys are in your respective lines of work IRL and not in the game developing business, don't quit your day jobs.
as i've said before i too have a butthole, my vision wis-ing is a ripoff of Deus Ex Human Revolution with completely new implants (augmentations) and skills shooting/stealth/hacking and people actually want rail guns for sniping but is that feasible? NO if ccp really made all that it would only be fair they charge a separate sub fee for a separate game
"meeting ppl face to face" is a novelty, you will do it 5 times max, trust me. it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships |
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2011.11.13 05:25:00 -
[1182] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:..."meeting ppl face to face" is a novelty, you will do it 5 times max, trust me.
I would meet people face to face every single time. It's what I pay for - immersion. The space portion of EVE is already fantastic and immersive, but the station interaction is hollow at best and needs serious improvement. You don't agree, and that's fine - I'm not here to convince you otherwise - but your playstyle isn't the only one represented.
I still load my one-cell room every time I dock. I walk down the corridor every time I want to manage my PI. That tiny bit of Incarna is still better than what I had 6 months ago, and I maintain a glimmer of hope that CCP fleshes out the experience. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
161
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Posted - 2011.11.13 05:47:00 -
[1183] - Quote
Valkris Arkayne wrote: Can you honestly tell me that CCP is happy being a niche company? No board of directors in their right mind should willingly turn away opportunity to expand, grow, and make more money. It's important to look at CCP's future from a company-level aspect and consider what will facilitate growth. Keeping current players happy is important since it will increase retention of existing subscriptions, but part of the company *must* work towards new customers, and therefore must continually 'reinvent' EVE in the public eye.
For obvious reasons, I can't speak for CCP on their behalf if they are happy with having a niche game on the market or not. But I am happy, as a player that they got a product on the market that is literally separated from the seemingly established norm of making a MMO in the industry today.
Sure, but when you say 'reinvent' EVE, what exactly are we talking about? Because WiS clearly wasn't the ticket to fame & fortune.
Valkris Arkayne wrote: My post was merely a response to a previous poster who was asking 'where are the successful social games?'. I was pointing out a few. I certainly don't want Sims-style gameplay in EVE because it's too silly... but expanding the game beyond the model we've had for the past 8 years is crucial to EVE's survivability.
I can't understand players that don't want EVE to expand. The average retention is under 6 months, which is pretty bad for an MMO.
And I agree, I want to see EVE expand too. But I would rather see more added depth and features fixed in the existing game (PI is a good example of added depth) than wild concepts like WiS. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
11
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Valkris Arkayne wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:..."meeting ppl face to face" is a novelty, you will do it 5 times max, trust me. I would meet people face to face every single time. It's what I pay for - immersion. The space portion of EVE is already fantastic and immersive, but the station interaction is hollow at best and needs serious improvement. You don't agree, and that's fine - I'm not here to convince you otherwise - but your playstyle isn't the only one represented. I still load my one-cell room every time I dock. I walk down the corridor every time I want to manage my PI. That tiny bit of Incarna is still better than what I had 6 months ago, and I maintain a glimmer of hope that CCP fleshes out the experience. notsureifserious.jpg
but i think i get it. take the example of Rockstar games, they did GTA very well then they made LA Noire (finally got to play it with the recent pc release), something very different much more immersive with lifelike npcs but immersion alone is worthless and it would have been horrible if they crammed it into GTA, instead what they did was make a whole new game in a new world in LA Noire would i want LA Noire elements in the upcoming GTA V? No would i like to see " LA Noire II "? Yes also minigames in GTA IV, fun? yes in a cute novelty kinda way but not really. it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2011.11.13 09:04:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Valkris Arkayne wrote: Can you honestly tell me that CCP is happy being a niche company? No board of directors in their right mind should willingly turn away opportunity to expand, grow, and make more money. It's important to look at CCP's future from a company-level aspect and consider what will facilitate growth. Keeping current players happy is important since it will increase retention of existing subscriptions, but part of the company *must* work towards new customers, and therefore must continually 'reinvent' EVE in the public eye.
For obvious reasons, I can't speak for CCP on their behalf if they are happy with having a niche game on the market or not. But I am happy, as a player that they got a product on the market that is literally separated from the seemingly established norm of making a MMO in the industry today. Sure, but when you say 'reinvent' EVE, what exactly are we talking about? Because WiS clearly wasn't the ticket to fame & fortune.
Reinvent means to expand and come up with new content. Try something new. What did you think it meant?
Don't know why you keep insisting on labeling Incarna as WiS because it's not the same thing. What CCP gave us was Incarna, not WiS. Maybe if you looked at the Ambulation videos from 2008 than you'd see WiS.
Eve was a 'niche' game back in 2003. It's come a long way and has gone through a lot of changes since then and will continue to change, whether you like it or not.. By the way, after CCP ran TV commercials, twitter and facebook advertising this game, it ceased to be 'niche' and is quickly becoming 'mainstream'.
Alpheias wrote:Valkris Arkayne wrote: My post was merely a response to a previous poster who was asking 'where are the successful social games?'. I was pointing out a few. I certainly don't want Sims-style gameplay in EVE because it's too silly... but expanding the game beyond the model we've had for the past 8 years is crucial to EVE's survivability.
I can't understand players that don't want EVE to expand. The average retention is under 6 months, which is pretty bad for an MMO.
And I agree, I want to see EVE expand too. But I would rather see more added depth and features fixed in the existing game (PI is a good example of added depth) than wild concepts like WiS.
For someone that want's to see Eve expand, you sure do rain on it's parade. When this game first came out, it was a few ships doing PvP. That was it. Then CCP decided to add some 'wild concepts like PvE'. What were they thinking? Lucky for us they didn't listen to players screaming out 'PvP content only'.
As for fixing all current content first, yeah. Everyone want's that. It's gonna take a while. After that then CCP should add brand new content like WiS when it's ready, not when it's half finished, buggy and incomplete.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Nandy Cocytus wrote:@Ishtanchuk
For some reason, I can't quote the part of the post that is relevant.
The reason you should keep playing EVE is because it's still profoundly a niche game, and that niche is an entire idea, not a simple game mechanic. And it's just plain good. As for the things that you would like and have not been delivered (yet, I hope), there are plenty of people - myself included - who agree with you posting on the forums that CCP may take it to heart. So all is not lost. That's why I keep paying.
You mean this?
Quote:So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...
Why should I keep paying to play this game?
It's been my signature for a while.
It's a friendly reminder that casuals, soloers and "barbies in space" do vote with our wallets too.
I am more optimistic now than when I wrote it, as this winter expansion is quickly running out of features to add, which means there is room for Incarna in summer 2012, just in time to add to the Dust launch. A venturous synergy, let's we hope.
Of course nullsec whiners and the PvP bunch may get some toys too (noisy crowd is noisy) but i seriously hope that summer is ours.
(anyway, if Egosoft's X- Rebirth was more promising than it is now, with that damned "single player ship", maybe I wouldn't wait so long for EVE to come and entertain me again) So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
163
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Reinvent means to expand and come up with new content. Try something new. What did you think it meant?
Don't know why you keep insisting on labeling Incarna as WiS because it's not the same thing. What CCP gave us was Incarna, not WiS. Maybe if you looked at the Ambulation videos from 2008 than you'd see WiS.
New content doesn't mean that it will sell better over polished features either. CCP has already done that mistake once when they announced that they wouldn't fix existing issues in EVE for 18 months while they focused on WiS, Dust and WoD, and guess what that brought them?
It is the same thing. But I wonder if you realise that Incarna is just the name of the expansion that gave us WiS.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eve was a 'niche' game back in 2003. It's come a long way and has gone through a lot of changes since then and will continue to change, whether you like it or not.. By the way, after CCP ran TV commercials, twitter and facebook advertising this game, it ceased to be 'niche' and is quickly becoming 'mainstream'.
Sure, all MMOs evolve over time for the better or worse. But I think EVE still is very much the same niche game that came out 2003, mainly for what that makes EVE so (in)famous in the gaming press and to anyone that has ever heard of EVE. And I don't think I need to tell you about the lack of everything in EVE that makes "mainstream" MMOs so mainstream.
As for CCP running ads, that doesn't mean that EVE has become mainstream. That means that more people will hear or read about it.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:For someone that want's to see Eve expand, you sure do rain on it's parade. When this game first came out, it was a few ships doing PvP. That was it. Then CCP decided to add some 'wild concepts like PvE'. What were they thinking? Lucky for us they didn't listen to players screaming out 'PvP content only'.
As for fixing all current content first, yeah. Everyone want's that. It's gonna take a while. After that then CCP should add brand new content like WiS when it's ready, not when it's half finished, buggy and incomplete.
There is a difference between see the game expanded and see the developers making really poor decisions (ie. WiS) that comes back and bites them in the ass later. Luckily for us, CCP finally realized that and began focusing on what makes EVE great. Instead of continuing on a Space Sims with Space Barbies.
So yeah, I too would like to know what they were smoking during just before and during those 18 months?
I think CCP should continue developing WiS in-house for where it actually matters, World of Darkness. Not for a game like EVE Online. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
39
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Alpheias wrote:New content doesn't mean that it will sell better over polished features either. CCP has already done that mistake once when they announced that they wouldn't fix existing issues in EVE for 18 months while they focused on WiS, Dust and WoD, and guess what that brought them?
It is the same thing. But I wonder if you realise that Incarna is just the name of the expansion that gave us WiS.
You're still confused about what WiS and what Incarna was. Incarna is the name of an expansion that gave us a half-heated attempt at WiS. Just like you can recognize every other expansion as half-delivered content, why do you seem to have trouble recognizing this one for what it was?
What did WiS offer, and did it offer more than fixing old game mechanics? It offered a vision to the new player, the same vision CCP shared about the future, and yes it offered more than fixing old hardened game mechanics, to me and many others I know. Why? Because very minute game mechanics don't matter to a person that's not playing your game. As I mentioned earlier, I and many others started with Freelancer; I already enjoyed its mechanics and despite many friends telling me about EVE, after the trial I wasn't compelled enough to try a new sci-fi game (especially since EVE's flight mechanics are worse than Freelancer's). On-again off-again trials with EVE was all I could muster for a while, until I saw the E3 2008 WiS video. That was awe inspiring and enough to send me over the edge with a single message: EVE had a future larger than simply shooting in space.
And I'm willing to bet there are as many if not more here for that future, that sense of expansiveness and completeness, as there are here only for PvP.
Alpheias wrote: Sure, all MMOs evolve over time for the better or worse. But I think EVE still is very much the same niche game that came out 2003, mainly for what that makes EVE so (in)famous in the gaming press and to anyone that has ever heard of EVE. And I don't think I need to tell you about the lack of everything in EVE that makes "mainstream" MMOs so mainstream.
I might have thought the same until you actually get out there and start to discover how secretly notorious this game is. From casual mentions among friends, to the obvious in circles of gamers, it wasn't until I accidentally brought it up with a waitress at a bar (and even asked her several 'test' questions to prove she wasn't bs-ing) that I started challenging just how niche this game is. One thing is for sure, just as I was, though millions may not be playing, they're aware of the game and millions are on the outside looking in for just any reason to get them started. WiS is that reason, and it's a reason that has the potential to bring in more players than any other feature. But like I said, they're watching, and Incarna and indefinitely delaying WiS... it's not helping our image. |
Jerek Mothas
Eleutherian Guard
3
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It seems the main difficulty with WiS as opposed to FiS is that it technically doesn't add anything to the game. Except, of course, a degree of immersion and realism (as far as that goes in a computer game, of course), which is just as good as adding another type of ship to pew-pew with, except where anti-WiS fanatics and people who don't like to just hang out are concerned. I would love to see WiS implemented, correctly. I agree that CCP should either: A) do this incrementally, or B) continually work on it over a long period of time and release it when it's good and ready. Option A would be best, as option B means that any and all bugs still in the system will take a long time to work out with such a large release.
CCP should slowly but steadily release WiS. First get CQ up to its full height (the Amarr, Gallente, and Caldari stations will be a big step towards that), then release maybe a room at a time, WITHOUT ignoring FiS in the meantime. I have no doubt CCP is perfectly capable of this. I mean, what about Trinity? What about the unnamed winter expansion: turret missing animations, nebulas, ship skins at some point...incredible amount of aesthetic work there. At this point, WiS will be similar. They've already got the characters. Emotes might be needed, and interaction between multiple avatars probably hasn't been tested yet, but the characters should be able to interact with new rooms without CCP having to invent a ton of new stuff. We can already walk around, sit down, interact with screens. Adding a new room every expansion, or something similar, will be a cakewalk.
CCP, don't abandon WiS OR FiS. FiS is what made the game what it is, and WiS will be a huge step in making the game connect more with people (both personally and inter-personally). You continue to amaze me with your capability to get stuff done, unlike certain games I will not mention. *Cough* |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2011.11.13 21:49:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:New content doesn't mean that it will sell better over polished features either. CCP has already done that mistake once when they announced that they wouldn't fix existing issues in EVE for 18 months while they focused on WiS, Dust and WoD, and guess what that brought them?
It is the same thing. But I wonder if you realise that Incarna is just the name of the expansion that gave us WiS.
I don't remember CCP ever saying they wouldn't fix existing issues, in fact it was just the opposite. They said they were going to do that with their 'Commitment to Excellence' campaign and then they never made good on it.
Again you label Incarna as WiS. That was Incarna, Dust and WOD they were working on.
Incarna's CQ is a malformed mutated version of Ambulation's WiS which is completely different.
Alpheias wrote:Sure, all MMOs evolve over time for the better or worse. But I think EVE still is very much the same niche game that came out 2003, mainly for what that makes EVE so (in)famous in the gaming press and to anyone that has ever heard of EVE. And I don't think I need to tell you about the lack of everything in EVE that makes "mainstream" MMOs so mainstream.
As for CCP running ads, that doesn't mean that EVE has become mainstream. That means that more people will hear or read about it.
Sorry, but your conclusions are wrong if you think Eve is still the same as it was back in 2003. Back then it was indeed a 'Niche' game.
Niche = relating to or aimed at a small specialized group or market Mainstream = belonging to or characteristic of a principal, dominant, or widely accepted group, movement, style, etc.
When CCP decided to do it's massive advertizing campaign, they in fact decided to change Eve from being a 'Niche' game into a 'Mainstream' game.
Alpheias wrote:There is a difference between see the game expanded and see the developers making really poor decisions (ie. WiS) that comes back and bites them in the ass later. Luckily for us, CCP finally realized that and began focusing on what makes EVE great. Instead of continuing on a Space Sims with Space Barbies.
So yeah, I too would like to know what they were smoking during just before and during those 18 months?
I think CCP should continue developing WiS in-house for where it actually matters, World of Darkness. Not for a game like EVE Online.
Again you view the monstrosity of Incarna's CQ as Ambulation's WiS. If CCP had stayed with the original design and graphics engine of Ambulation's WiS, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The graphics engine for Incarna's CQ was indeed a test for WOD. Everyone was expecting Ambulation's WiS and it's graphics engine. What was promised and what we got is two different things.
In case you didn't realize this, CCP's new direction of 'focusing on what makes EVE great', is just a facade, a temporary 'Fix' to placate a very vocal minority. CCP's vision for Eve Online has been from the very start to create a Science Fiction Virtual Reality Universe. FiS is only one aspect of that. WiS is another aspect of that. CCP has stated over and over, time and time again, that is their vision and the direction they are going with Eve Online.
Referencing WiS as 'Space Sims with Space Barbies' and stating that it doesn't belong in Eve Online denotes an immature closed minded viewpoint. With that being said, you've made your point. You don't like the idea of WiS which is fine. Instead of continuing to try and derail this thread, just turn off station environment and go fly spaceships.
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Gallia14
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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What the hell.
I am told that If I wanted my account continued to be paid for I had to post on this tread. Well I don't like being held hostage. Noting I am alt of a WIS loving Main, Character
- I am going to be PRO FIS -
What ha not all your personalities agree. Sucker!! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
305
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:21:00 -
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So I had an interesting thought. Seeing all the FiS stuff in the in the winter expansion and knowing how long it takes to get that much content done I suspect more was being worked on related to FiS than we knew. That much of this was in plan and being coded while we were distracted with CQ and microtransaction sparkle ponies.
I'm sure I'm wrong but it would be pretty awesome if there is some WiS working still happening that isn't being talked about and that CCP is going to surprise us with it sooner than we could expect given recent "on ice" comments.
CCP, please let this be the case!
Issler |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:46:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:So I had an interesting thought. Seeing all the FiS stuff in the in the winter expansion and knowing how long it takes to get that much content done I suspect more was being worked on related to FiS than we knew. That much of this was in plan and being coded while we were distracted with CQ and microtransaction sparkle ponies.
I'm sure I'm wrong but it would be pretty awesome if there is some WiS working still happening that isn't being talked about and that CCP is going to surprise us with it sooner than we could expect given recent "on ice" comments.
CCP, please let this be the case!
Issler
i hope that too... |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
39
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:49:00 -
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I'd be content if characters could just sit together somewhere, no walking necessary (which apparently is the big issue in development). Look at IMVU, that's all it is and the stupid **** I've made for it makes me about 200USD a month.
Seriously, look at my "products"... http://pt-br.imvu.com/shop/web_search.php?manufacturers_id=648742 and just try to tell me that all's worth 200 a month. I put effort into them but it was always for fun, not money, and I get that much without even trying and I haven't really made anything in years.
And all IMVU is a bunch of creepy looking anime knockoff characters sitting around and talking/cybering/arguing.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
84
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:10:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:So I had an interesting thought. Seeing all the FiS stuff in the in the winter expansion and knowing how long it takes to get that much content done I suspect more was being worked on related to FiS than we knew. That much of this was in plan and being coded while we were distracted with CQ and microtransaction sparkle ponies.
I'm sure I'm wrong but it would be pretty awesome if there is some WiS working still happening that isn't being talked about and that CCP is going to surprise us with it sooner than we could expect given recent "on ice" comments.
CCP, please let this be the case!
Issler
Summer 2012 better belongs to us. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
181
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:45:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I had an interesting thought. Seeing all the FiS stuff in the in the winter expansion and knowing how long it takes to get that much content done I suspect more was being worked on related to FiS than we knew. That much of this was in plan and being coded while we were distracted with CQ and microtransaction sparkle ponies.
I'm sure I'm wrong but it would be pretty awesome if there is some WiS working still happening that isn't being talked about and that CCP is going to surprise us with it sooner than we could expect given recent "on ice" comments.
CCP, please let this be the case!
Issler Summer 2012 better belongs to us.
EvE expansion summer 2012. EvE: Immersion
Please?
Seriously...after everything coming to the winter expansion the FiS guys have absolutely nothing to ***** about. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
99
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:53:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:So I had an interesting thought. Seeing all the FiS stuff in the in the winter expansion and knowing how long it takes to get that much content done I suspect more was being worked on related to FiS than we knew. That much of this was in plan and being coded while we were distracted with CQ and microtransaction sparkle ponies.
I'm sure I'm wrong but it would be pretty awesome if there is some WiS working still happening that isn't being talked about and that CCP is going to surprise us with it sooner than we could expect given recent "on ice" comments.
CCP, please let this be the case!
Issler And CCP decided to keep it all a secret 'till now so that as many of their paying customers as possible would unsubscribe over the summer so that CCP would lose all that subscription money so that they have a good excuse to fire 20% of their staff. Am I getting this right?
What exactly have you been smoking? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
306
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:58:00 -
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Razin wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I had an interesting thought. Seeing all the FiS stuff in the in the winter expansion and knowing how long it takes to get that much content done I suspect more was being worked on related to FiS than we knew. That much of this was in plan and being coded while we were distracted with CQ and microtransaction sparkle ponies.
I'm sure I'm wrong but it would be pretty awesome if there is some WiS working still happening that isn't being talked about and that CCP is going to surprise us with it sooner than we could expect given recent "on ice" comments.
CCP, please let this be the case!
Issler And CCP decided to keep it all a secret 'till now so that as many of their paying customers as possible would unsubscribe over the summer so that CCP would lose all that subscription money so that they have a good excuse to fire 20% of their staff. Am I getting this right? What exactly have you been smoking?
I assume you aren't a software engineer. I am and the reality of the winter expansion is this.
There are only two choices.
1. CCP can do super human feats of software engineering and deliver in 90 days an entire expansion. If you believe that it means that everything CCP said they couldn't do, all the things we asked for in the past like fuel pellets, new ships, sov changes, FW updates, weapons balancing, skybox upgrade, engine trails, new cyno effect...... they were just lying to us while the developers spent their days sitting around playing Angry Birds at thier desks.
2. Most of this was well underway already and likely was going to be in the winter expansion from the start.
As a software engineer with more experience than most I have a hard time seeing how this expansion is coming together in less than 90 days without a lot of close to complete when they "spun us" to believe they changed their focusas a result of a loud vocal fraction of Eve whinging and acts of space statue vandalism.
Most unsubs were because of NeX and fear of microtransactions combined with the really bad PR that resulted from the leaked internal memos. Add that to the total failure to deliver any real WiS when it had been hyped so much, a lot of folks that were ready to unsub anyways from boredom and the lack of evolution of Eve just hit the wall and left.
The 20% of their staff was because of a lot of bad business decisions (like develpng three games at once, funding that with Eve and then taking a path with Eve that leaves it a nitch 400K sub game instead of getting a WiS experience actually delivered that would have doubled the subscriber base)
If you really think a single thing in this expansion changes Eve in any substantial way you are easlily confused. It will change the lives of some null sec dweller super cap types, ruin PI for most casual players (once again screwing the little guy), it will give you some long overdue weapons balancing that should have been in patches years ago, some new shiny to look at and a couple more ships to fly. If you had run out of types of ships to fly already you weren't trying enough.
What this expansion won't do is evolve mining, which remains fundementally the same as when I started Eve in 1994, add anything new to trade or industry, do anything to make low sec interesting again, get more folks in 0.0, make exploration more interesting or rewarding or really change 0.0 dominance by a handful of large alliances that own the ubber moons.
So the net net of this new expansion, no new players will come to Eve as a result of this expansion. Some bitter vets may resub but I expect not so many as the game has long ago become boring to them. CCP will have new calibration for its "bread and circuses" business model and know what the minimum effort required is to keep the Jita Statue safe and Eve stays as Eve is, an interesting niche game with 400K subscribers till someone finally gets a better space game launched.
That ^^^ assuming you are correct and CCP really has killed off the idea of WiS, if they are still working on WiS Eve could be much more popular and CCP would have the revenue to make Eve continue to improve and maybe pay to finish their vapire game and keep from going out of business from the cost of running Dust.
Issler |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
84
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:20:00 -
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Meanwhile in Serenity...
Now this looks like a Science Fiction game to me...
So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
57
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Issler Dainze wrote:
I assume you aren't a software engineer. I am and the reality of the winter expansion is this.
There are only two choices.
1. CCP can do super human feats of software engineering and deliver in 90 days an entire expansion. If you believe that it means that everything CCP said they couldn't do, all the things we asked for in the past like fuel pellets, new ships, sov changes, FW updates, weapons balancing, skybox upgrade, engine trails, new cyno effect...... they were just lying to us while the developers spent their days sitting around playing Angry Birds at thier desks.
2. Most of this was well underway already and likely was going to be in the winter expansion from the start.
/snip
Issler
or
3. Deployment of "Incarna" and pre-Incarna patches modified the core of the game to be more accessible and tweak-able
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
307
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Posted - 2011.11.15 01:45:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
I assume you aren't a software engineer. I am and the reality of the winter expansion is this.
There are only two choices.
1. CCP can do super human feats of software engineering and deliver in 90 days an entire expansion. If you believe that it means that everything CCP said they couldn't do, all the things we asked for in the past like fuel pellets, new ships, sov changes, FW updates, weapons balancing, skybox upgrade, engine trails, new cyno effect...... they were just lying to us while the developers spent their days sitting around playing Angry Birds at thier desks.
2. Most of this was well underway already and likely was going to be in the winter expansion from the start.
/snip
Issler
or 3. Deployment of "Incarna" and pre-Incarna patches modified the core of the game to be more accessible and tweak-able
I doubt that. They didn't go back and rewrite major portions of code (POS fuel for example) when they did Incarna). And nothing about Incarna made art assets in space dramatically simpler, or SOV mechanics changes easer, or ship and weapons balancing easier.
The skybox fix has been in the works for some time, clearly the new ship models were. In fact so far the only thing from the winter patch that Incarna probably enabled is the "space barbie" feature of being able to view and spin the current avatar of other players. That looks like a last gasp desperate effort to develop interest in NeX store clothing.
(I really hate to say space barbie in this thread as something that CCP intended but the latest dev blog about character spinning is space barbie)
Issler |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.15 02:10:00 -
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Issler's words "What this expansion won't do is evolve mining, which remains fundementally the same as when I started Eve in 1994, add anything new to trade or industry, do anything to make low sec interesting again, get more folks in 0.0, make exploration more interesting or rewarding or really change 0.0 dominance by a handful of large alliances that own the ubber moons."
the above is still much more important than wis also you mean 2004 instead of 1994? it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2011.11.15 02:17:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:Issler's words "What this expansion won't do is evolve mining, which remains fundementally the same as when I started Eve in 1994, add anything new to trade or industry, do anything to make low sec interesting again, get more folks in 0.0, make exploration more interesting or rewarding or really change 0.0 dominance by a handful of large alliances that own the ubber moons."
the above is still much more important than wis also you mean 2004 instead of 1994?
Dooh! I have been playing Eve in my head since 1994 but techically, on the intertubes since 2004! Thanks for pointing that out!
If CCP had come out and said "WIS is on hold till we totally revamp mining and the moon mineral mess (One word comets!) and then we'll get back to the stations stuff" I'd be doing the "happy miner dance!". But I still believe WiS is key to the long term health of Eve and the sooner they get some part of it done the sooner they break a million subscribers. If they never get back to it I'm predicting 350K subscribers this time next year and 250K in 2013 no matter how many new ships they introduce.
Issler
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.15 02:42:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: If CCP had come out and said "WIS is on hold till we totally revamp mining and the moon mineral mess (One word comets!) and then we'll get back to the stations stuff" I'd be doing the "happy miner dance!". But I still believe WiS is key to the long term health of Eve and the sooner they get some part of it done the sooner they break a million subscribers. If they never get back to it I'm predicting 350K subscribers this time next year and 250K in 2013 no matter how many new ships they introduce.
Issler
i agree
but don't be pushing out wis for the immediate surge of subs, the only way wis is going to work for me there must be wis-only "New Suff" to do, and not doing existing stuff but i am forced to walk to do it, like buying pirate ships, why would i walk when i can browse contracts?
by "New Stuff" i mean careers in eve, professions you can make living with eg mining/trading/combat etc with associated skills why i am opposed to wis is that people seem to want immersion for immersion's sake alone and that is just not compelling enough
if the "New Stuff" comes out tomorrow i would do a complete 180 and start wis-ing, but i just can't fathom what that "New Stuff" would be it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships |
Jerek Mothas
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2011.11.15 03:06:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote: why i am opposed to wis is that people seem to want immersion for immersion's sake alone and that is just not compelling enough
if the "New Stuff" comes out tomorrow i would do a complete 180 and start wis-ing, but i just can't fathom what that "New Stuff" would be
And this is the whole conundrum of WiS. If they introduce exclusive "stuff to do" within the stations, it feels as though they're trying to branch out too much, or just creating a "mini-game". If they just expand on what it is now, people will complain that they're not working on the things that matter. I hold, however, that WiS DOES matter; not in the sense of expanding on existing gameplay, but in the sense of really taking this game to the next level. The longer they take to introduce more WiS content, the more they're missing the opportunity to renovate the game and explore new horizons, which is what this game really needs long-term. Confining themselves to FiS too long will only hurt them, since while there is a lot of polish and balancing they could introduce, there's only so much new content they can really bring at this point (barring more star systems, which should probably be done a little differently next time around to avoid it just being "more of the same").
However, if they begin to explore WiS, they're not only creating content that will interest potential players and current players alike, they're also allowing EVE to evolve to the next level, which is the best thing they could do.
So, while it may not bring in "New Stuff" as you define it, WiS will ultimately be essential if CCP wants to avoid EVE growing too stale. Failfitting ships since 2007.
"Those who control their tongue will have a long life; opening your mouth can ruin everything." - Solomon |
yumike
Eve of Madness
53
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Posted - 2011.11.15 04:06:00 -
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@issler and a few others The reason FiS people are so pissed is because we haven't had any noticeable changes (aside from some sov changes that we've been waiting since like '06 for) SINCE '08's fall expansion.
Nobody outright hates WiS, If they want to do that fine. But when devblogs talk about how 70%+ of their development staff is actively working on it and half the remaining staff are "tq maintenance staff" yes people are likely to get a tad pissed. We were stagnant for years.
@ Development time It hasn't been 3 months, they announced their changes in august - its been 5 months.
And I feel the need to remind you that these changes have been ignored for years, some were even previously implemented.
POS fuel? Wow. So we added 4 new blueprints, 4 new items, and changed fuel type on a tower. That took an artist a couple days to do the art for, a database manager an hour and some minor code changes that maybe took a team of five two days to do?
Engine trails? Code already existed, Probably tweaked and thrown back in with updated art. A couple artists two weeks? New cyno effect? See above. Nothing game changing.
The warping through celestials objects on the other hand is new.. and would of *gasp* required new code to be written, again most the changes here are superficial and could of almost completely been handled via graphics, likely just a check written in to see if a celestial was between you and your target warp destination & at what point it was, so it knows when to trigger said effect.
The majority of the development time is likely artists working on the new ships. The guy's doing the real programming long ago developed a quick way to drop new items in and make sure everythings in place, including ships. (If they haven't then they are crazy, to be frank it was one of the first things I did when working on a certain other MMO I developed.)
None of these are massive changes, And to be honest I imagine polishing will be where the most development time is going at the moment. And features like UI scaling (for absolutely everything, which is a much more grand task then adding a new fuel type for e.g.)
@ the idea that incarna will bring new players.. Your right, I think it will too. Your numbers however are a bit ridiculous, Sub numbers double because we can walk around in a station? Granted a few probably (Hundreds and i'm being generous here) will likely do just that.. But eve is NICHE and the maingame *IS* FiS. You are being ludicrous (and probably realize this, but are just being stubborn) Even if gameplay was added to it (Like those minigames we saw at fanfest year after year.) Again it would attract how many people?
If you've ever played other MMO's with minigames in them (RF, WoW, etc) You'd know there was a few people that maybe did them *alot* but at most it was half a dozen people a realm, out of the hundreds of thousands that play them. I find it highly unlikely EVE will be at all different and would honestly like you to cite me an example of where it DOUBLED a playerbase because of a minigame that didn't really matter, I will happily correct myself and tell you how right you are and how wrong I am I love learning new things so please - do!
edit:: because after skimming over my post, it may sound like I am hating on WiS and this is false. I like EVE, however - This means I don't want it to be stagnant, i want it to see changes, balancing, additions. "Look a salvaging ship!" isnt an addition. nor is it an expansion. If CCP feels it seriously can't handle doing both WiS and FiS, Then that's fine of course it shouldn't bite the hand that has fed it (And, let's not beat around the bush - that is very much the current playerbase not the potential playerbase). This should be common sense, Especially for a business! The fact that they got away with it for as long as they did, doesn't make anyone QQ'ers. It doesn't mean your bad FiS players, it doesn't mean you are whiney WiS players - It means they made poor decisions and are correcting them. You may disagree with that - and there is nothing wrong with that so long as you have reasoning behind it that isn't fallacious.
You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant. -Harlan Ellison |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.15 07:36:00 -
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yumike wrote:@issler and a few others The reason FiS people are so pissed is because we haven't had any noticeable changes (aside from some sov changes that we've been waiting since like '06 for) SINCE '08's fall expansion.
Nobody outright hates WiS, If they want to do that fine. But when devblogs talk about how 70%+ of their development staff is actively working on it and half the remaining staff are "tq maintenance staff" yes people are likely to get a tad pissed. We were stagnant for years.
@ Development time It hasn't been 3 months, they announced their changes in august - its been 5 months.
And I feel the need to remind you that these changes have been ignored for years, some were even previously implemented.
POS fuel? Wow. So we added 4 new blueprints, 4 new items, and changed fuel type on a tower. That took an artist a couple days to do the art for, a database manager an hour and some minor code changes that maybe took a team of five two days to do?
Engine trails? Code already existed, Probably tweaked and thrown back in with updated art. A couple artists two weeks? New cyno effect? See above. Nothing game changing.
The warping through celestials objects on the other hand is new.. and would of *gasp* required new code to be written, again most the changes here are superficial and could of almost completely been handled via graphics, likely just a check written in to see if a celestial was between you and your target warp destination & at what point it was, so it knows when to trigger said effect.
The majority of the development time is likely artists working on the new ships. The guy's doing the real programming long ago developed a quick way to drop new items in and make sure everythings in place, including ships. (If they haven't then they are crazy, to be frank it was one of the first things I did when working on a certain other MMO I developed.)
None of these are massive changes, And to be honest I imagine polishing will be where the most development time is going at the moment. And features like UI scaling (for absolutely everything, which is a much more grand task then adding a new fuel type for e.g.)
@ the idea that incarna will bring new players.. Your right, I think it will too. Your numbers however are a bit ridiculous, Sub numbers double because we can walk around in a station? Granted a few probably (Hundreds and i'm being generous here) will likely do just that.. But eve is NICHE and the maingame *IS* FiS. You are being ludicrous (and probably realize this, but are just being stubborn) Even if gameplay was added to it (Like those minigames we saw at fanfest year after year.) Again it would attract how many people?
If you've ever played other MMO's with minigames in them (RF, WoW, etc) You'd know there was a few people that maybe did them *alot* but at most it was half a dozen people a realm, out of the hundreds of thousands that play them. I find it highly unlikely EVE will be at all different and would honestly like you to cite me an example of where it DOUBLED a playerbase because of a minigame that didn't really matter, I will happily correct myself and tell you how right you are and how wrong I am I love learning new things so please - do!
edit:: because after skimming over my post, it may sound like I am hating on WiS and this is false. I like EVE, however - This means I don't want it to be stagnant, i want it to see changes, balancing, additions. "Look a salvaging ship!" isnt an addition. nor is it an expansion. If CCP feels it seriously can't handle doing both WiS and FiS, Then that's fine of course it shouldn't bite the hand that has fed it (And, let's not beat around the bush - that is very much the current playerbase not the potential playerbase). This should be common sense, Especially for a business! The fact that they got away with it for as long as they did, doesn't make anyone QQ'ers. It doesn't mean your bad FiS players, it doesn't mean you are whiney WiS players - It means they made poor decisions and are correcting them. You may disagree with that - and there is nothing wrong with that so long as you have reasoning behind it that isn't fallacious.
You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant. -Harlan Ellison
Refocus announcement was 2011.10.19 13:24. Search the forums for the announcement.
All the work was on the vampire game, NeX store and dust, not WiS. Do you think CCP is so incapable that one CQ is all that can be delivered in 3 years of effort?
So I agree POS fuel was pretty easy. We should all be hella pissed that we didn't get that sooner, Should have been in a patch. No parties and balloons for CCP for that.
Engine trails, seriously, who cares. Cyno effect, about time, it was better before they broke it.
I think if I really unwind what I'm trying to say, CCP has spun us once again, This was all incremental work that could have happened long ago. Celebration of this expansion is celebrating the greatest spin job in CCP history.
For a while a big part of my job was to evaluate of MMOs. I have also been trying to drag other gaming friends into Eve since I started. Almost all of them tried Eve and left soon after. The inability of them to leave their ship and be in the station was cited as the reason for not liking Eve more often than any other factor. They couldn't understand how something so simple was left out. So I am confident in my subscription predictions.
We saw all the unsubs WiS was was going to cause already. Most of those called WiS unsubs were actually other reasons. So we kill the future for the bitter vets is not a solution for long term health. All I wanted when I started this thread was CCP to say WiS is still in plan in a reasonable amount of time.
Issler |
yumike
Eve of Madness
53
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Posted - 2011.11.15 08:27:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Refocus announcement was 2011.10.19 13:24. Search the forums for the announcement. Refocus announcement was beginning of the turn around? Highly unlikely - More to the point the refocus has to deal with CCP as a company (and even more so about the abortion of whitewolf titles) This is unlikely to have an effect on content in the expansion. Correlation isn't causation.
Issler Dainze wrote:All the work was on the vampire game, NeX store and dust, not WiS. Do you think CCP is so incapable that one CQ is all that can be delivered in 3 years of effort? In short? Sadly, Yes. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=777 Your welcome, Took me ten damn minutes to find that devblog.
Issler Dainze wrote:So I agree POS fuel was pretty easy. We should all be hella pissed that we didn't get that sooner, Should have been in a patch. No parties and balloons for CCP for that. Thank you for taking note of that.
Issler Dainze wrote:Engine trails, seriously, who cares. Cyno effect, about time, it was better before they broke it. Well, it's kind of cool, and some people do get excited about these sorts of changes (Frankly, It seem's rather inane to me. But it might just show how desperate people are for some real FiS changes.) I cite this as an example of desperation: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/mcm8n/thats_new/ Such a minor thing, Yet people are so used to nothing ever happening to the rest of the game for so long that people are excited for it and I can't blame them for it.
Issler Dainze wrote:I think if I really unwind what I'm trying to say, CCP has spun us once again, This was all incremental work that could have happened long ago. Celebration of this expansion is celebrating the greatest spin job in CCP history. I can't disagree, CCP pushed too hard on one front, and pissed it's flank off in doing so and is now back pedalling - It is the smart thing to do though. Player retention has always been an issue (QEN reports average life expectancy of a sub is 7 months, Anything more is a 'vet' and should frankly have a bit more attention, They are the ones that keep EVE online year after year.) |
yumike
Eve of Madness
53
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Posted - 2011.11.15 08:27:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:For a while a big part of my job was to evaluate of MMOs. I have also been trying to drag other gaming friends into Eve since I started. Almost all of them tried Eve and left soon after. The inability of them to leave their ship and be in the station was cited as the reason for not liking Eve more often than any other factor. They couldn't understand how something so simple was left out. So I am confident in my subscription predictions.
Well, Then I can't help but laugh a little bit. That's a ridiculous methodology - as if sitting in a station and having a different interface to purchase the same good through the current market layout would seriously encourage retention for more then a handful of people is simply unprecedented in modern MMO's and the gaming market in general, but it's an undefendable position that is you making a positive claim without trying to assert why. "because I have a feeling"
Issler Dainze wrote:We saw all the unsubs WiS was was going to cause already. Most of those called WiS unsubs were actually other reasons. So we kill the future for the bitter vets is not a solution for long term health. All I wanted when I started this thread was CCP to say WiS is still in plan in a reasonable amount of time. Nowhere close, We're talking about a vocal minority on the forums, even being generous and saying its 3% of the eve online population if 70% of the forumgoers got pissed and unsubbed - extrapolate that onto the playerbase. If that number was 3k people, now picture it in the 220~ range. ((Please don't focus on this, the numbers are not specific more then to give an accurate representation. Whether it was 60% and 2% or 80 and 5% isn't relevant, I more or less pulled the numbers out of my ass vaguely recalling that I belive it was 3k'ish accounts that claimed to unsub)) This was vastly due to WiS taking all dev time, Fis being ignored, AND the leak that hinted at gold ammo, something CCP took weeks to release a proper 'answer' to, which despite their (CCP's) faults in regard to it was very uncharacteristic.
In short: CCP shouldn't dump WiS completely, But it definetely shouldn't be killing the rest of the game due to lack of developer time. For some people wis may be used a bit more, but for the vast majority that are current players it will likely see as much attention as PI or faction warfare. Let's remember that not even all of the playerbase uses stations - Some of us live in wormholes in pos's, others in null where there is no or little station access. CCP Should most certainly be focusing on FiS, It is their game that we pay to play currently (Plex, or RL is not relevant). This shouldn't be more or less ignored for three years to add something that a few people may use and enjoy but for the most part will likely go unnoticed. |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
60
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Posted - 2011.11.15 08:37:00 -
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I'm also one of those unsubs and will be again shortly. I left because Incarna was a failure of commitment to EVE players on so many levels. And to be fair to myself, the only reason why I joined EVE in the first place was because of the promise of an expanding world.
That CCP is peddling and sadly some of the playerbase now believes that micro-patches scrambled together in the last few months trumps the need for real expansive content... it's a trend away from all the reasons I joined.
I'll likely resub to check out the winter expansion (indeed a great set of patches, but to be clear patches is all they are and ones that should have occurred long ago), and probably look for any signs of life for WiS or if not (how could it be not?) whatever the next expansive new content will be (even fully realizing planetary interaction would be cool).
I think all players of EVE, FIS and WIS, are tired of paying for the mistakes of WoD and DUST; it's not fair to starve off the future of EVE in some bid for forgiveness through false penance. |
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Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
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Posted - 2011.11.15 09:29:00 -
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We can conclude this thread with 3 statements.
1 Winter expansion is nothing but a Patch of problem with solutions already pointed out by the players long time ago.
BC with BS guns POS fuels Hybrids ....
All was there posted in the forums
2
WIS is just fluff and most the people do not give a rats ass Not actively hating it but do not care about it. And no it will not bring too many subscribers at least stable ones.
Like me
3
Since the October announcement it will take CCP maybe till next summer to bring something truly game expanding. Until then it is patch the most obvious errors and small things we can throw together quickly mode in CCP with probably FW updates saved for summer. What I would like to see is addition of Epic arc missions for all the major and pirate factions for all level up to 5 with the 5 being in low sec.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.11.15 14:56:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote:I'm also one of those unsubs and will be again shortly. I left because Incarna was a failure of commitment to EVE players on so many levels. And to be fair to myself, the only reason why I joined EVE in the first place was because of the promise of an expanding world.
That CCP is peddling and sadly some of the playerbase now believes that micro-patches scrambled together in the last few months trumps the need for real expansive content... it's a trend away from all the reasons I joined.
I'll likely resub to check out the winter expansion (indeed a great set of patches, but to be clear patches is all they are and ones that should have occurred long ago), and probably look for any signs of life for WiS or if not (how could it be not?) whatever the next expansive new content will be (even fully realizing planetary interaction would be cool).
I think all players of EVE, FIS and WIS, are tired of paying for the mistakes of WoD and DUST; it's not fair to starve off the future of EVE in some bid for forgiveness through false penance.
This has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You joined EvE "because of the promise of an expanding world." yet you are opposed to WiS and DUST? Oh right...by expanding you mean "more empty and unused systems". That must be it...
Both WiS and DUST are designed to expand the world of EvE. Not just in terms of more systems but in gameplay and demographic. Those that are opposed to WiS and DUST simply want more and more of the same. More and more of the same is what kills games. People grow bored of the same old same old in games. Right now the reason I am playing EvE is because I look forward to what DUST will bring. I play because I want to see WiS realized and experience what it will bring. Ive shot and killed enough people in EvE. I want to experience new things now. Shooting people from a new ship is still shooting poeple from a ship. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:11:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote:You're still confused about what WiS and what Incarna was. Incarna is the name of an expansion that gave us a half-heated attempt at WiS. Just like you can recognize every other expansion as half-delivered content, why do you seem to have trouble recognizing this one for what it was?
Huh? I know convinced sounds pretty similar to confused as they both begin with 'con' but how anyone can confuse the two... is just beyond me.
Seriously though, I feel as if I am a new person, you have really changed me. It is beautiful and I think we oughta hug. Oh wait, no, I still think that WiS is a complete waste of time and resources. But if it makes you happy, I'll call it for what it really is: pointless minigame for socially akward people.
Happy? Good. I am glad you're happy.
Nypheas Azurai wrote:What did WiS offer, and did it offer more than fixing old game mechanics? It offered a vision to the new player, the same vision CCP shared about the future, and yes it offered more than fixing old hardened game mechanics, to me and many others I know. Why? Because very minute game mechanics don't matter to a person that's not playing your game. As I mentioned earlier, I and many others started with Freelancer; I already enjoyed its mechanics and despite many friends telling me about EVE, after the trial I wasn't compelled enough to try a new sci-fi game (especially since EVE's flight mechanics are worse than Freelancer's). On-again off-again trials with EVE was all I could muster for a while, until I saw the E3 2008 WiS video. That was awe inspiring and enough to send me over the edge with a single message: EVE had a future larger than simply shooting in space.
I couldn't give a flying toss about your hopes and dreams for EVE or what games you previously played.
Nypheas Azurai wrote: And I'm willing to bet there are as many if not more here for that future, that sense of expansiveness and completeness, as there are here only for PvP.
Yes, it seems to be a common thing among you, rather be playing with space barbie instead of actually playing the game. You play with dolls in real life too?
Nypheas Azurai wrote: I might have thought the same until you actually get out there and start to discover how secretly notorious this game is. From casual mentions among friends, to the obvious in circles of gamers, it wasn't until I accidentally brought it up with a waitress at a bar (and even asked her several 'test' questions to prove she wasn't bs-ing) that I started challenging just how niche this game is. One thing is for sure, just as I was, though millions may not be playing, they're aware of the game and millions are on the outside looking in for just any reason to get them started. WiS is that reason, and it's a reason that has the potential to bring in more players than any other feature. But like I said, they're watching, and Incarna and indefinitely delaying WiS... it's not helping our image.
I am honestly more interested in the waitress than the rest of your post. Was she hot? Did you get her number? HOW DOES THIS TALE END? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:11:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I don't remember CCP ever saying they wouldn't fix existing issues, in fact it was just the opposite. They said they were going to do that with their 'Commitment to Excellence' campaign and then they never made good on it.
Again you label Incarna as WiS. That was Incarna, Dust and WOD they were working on.
Incarna's CQ is a malformed mutated version of Ambulation's WiS which is completely different.
Maybe if you spent less time hiding in a NPC corp, doing missions, crying about the lack of interactivity between space barbies on a forum, you'd notice a thing or two.
So what? Different name, same ****.
It was conceptulized as 'walking in stations' to later be called 'ambulation' and it was implemented through the 'incarna' expansion and again it is still different name, same ****.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Sorry, but your conclusions are wrong if you think Eve is still the same as it was back in 2003. Back then it was indeed a 'Niche' game.
Niche = relating to or aimed at a small specialized group or market Mainstream = belonging to or characteristic of a principal, dominant, or widely accepted group, movement, style, etc.
When CCP decided to do it's massive advertizing campaign, they in fact decided to change Eve from being a 'Niche' game into a 'Mainstream' game.
I am more concerned with the actual marketshare of EVE and compared to WoW and others out there, EVE is indeed a niche game... thanks for pointing out how right I really was though.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Again you view the monstrosity of Incarna's CQ as Ambulation's WiS. If CCP had stayed with the original design and graphics engine of Ambulation's WiS, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The graphics engine for Incarna's CQ was indeed a test for WOD. Everyone was expecting Ambulation's WiS and it's graphics engine. What was promised and what we got is two different things.
If there was ever a post by you where I'd conclude that you are a clown with downs, this would be it. Once and for all, you proved to be a blithering idiot. Now the news. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
621
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:36:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: Yes, it seems to be a common thing among you, rather be playing with space barbie instead of actually playing the game. You play with dolls in real life too?
Here we go, in bold, itaicized, underlined text so that not even you can fail to see it:
If you don't like it, don't use it.
Honestly, you bi*** about 'space barbie' but refuse to acknowledge that you don't have to participate in that part of the game. Nobody's going to come to your house and superglue your hands to the mouse.\
Again, if you don't like it, don't use it! Monoclegate: because calling it 'Doorgate' would just be silly. |
yumike
Eve of Madness
53
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:01:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:If you don't like it, don't use it.
Again, if you don't like it, don't use it!
That's only a viable choice, When CCP learns to balance things and release features involving both concurrently, however it seems they can't balance features/releases properly and releases little to no features for nearly 3 years '08->'11 to the game I pay to play. And apparently their refocus is on FiS and they are shelving WiS.
I really do not understand how they cant leave two teams on WiS and have everyone else churning out features for the game we currently play. But apparently they can't, and you are being silly if you think WiS should take priority over FiS. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:07:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I don't remember CCP ever saying they wouldn't fix existing issues, in fact it was just the opposite. They said they were going to do that with their 'Commitment to Excellence' campaign and then they never made good on it.
Again you label Incarna as WiS. That was Incarna, Dust and WOD they were working on.
Incarna's CQ is a malformed mutated version of Ambulation's WiS which is completely different. Maybe if you spent less time hiding in a NPC corp, doing missions, crying about the lack of interactivity between space barbies on a forum, you'd notice a thing or two. So what? Different name, same ****. It was conceptulized as 'walking in stations' to later be called 'ambulation' and it was implemented through the 'incarna' expansion and again it is still different name, same ****. DeMichael Crimson wrote:Sorry, but your conclusions are wrong if you think Eve is still the same as it was back in 2003. Back then it was indeed a 'Niche' game.
Niche = relating to or aimed at a small specialized group or market Mainstream = belonging to or characteristic of a principal, dominant, or widely accepted group, movement, style, etc.
When CCP decided to do it's massive advertizing campaign, they in fact decided to change Eve from being a 'Niche' game into a 'Mainstream' game. I am more concerned with the actual marketshare of EVE and compared to WoW and others out there, EVE is indeed a niche game... thanks for pointing out how right I really was though. DeMichael Crimson wrote:Again you view the monstrosity of Incarna's CQ as Ambulation's WiS. If CCP had stayed with the original design and graphics engine of Ambulation's WiS, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The graphics engine for Incarna's CQ was indeed a test for WOD. Everyone was expecting Ambulation's WiS and it's graphics engine. What was promised and what we got is two different things. If there was ever a post by you where I'd conclude that you are a clown with downs, this would be it. Once and for all, you proved to be a blithering idiot. Now the news.
Alpheias, why you so mad?
lol, just because you fail is no reason to get all butt hurt and then try to insult me. The only thing your posted reply proves is that you're an immature narrow minded little pubbie who is consumed with trying to look superior by flashing EPEEN and insulting others every chance you get. Nice try but you still fail.
I don't understand why you and all the other anti-WiS people keep insisting on posting in this thread. Every time a negative reply is posted, a positive reply is posted. The only thing you're doing is keeping this thread alive.
Actually now that I think about it, that just might be a good thing.
Anyway, I really need to start following the #1 Forum rule - Don't feed the trolls.
lol, that means no more food for you.
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Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:14:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
u mad?
lol, you fail butt hurt. immature narrow minded little pubbie flashing EPEEN insulting others. you still fail.
Don't feed the trolls.
lol, that means no more food for you.
heh. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:32:00 -
[1219] - Quote
WIS is going to be a great addition when they work out the details - I am actually annoyed at the mishandling of the situation. Incarna was not the problem, it's how CCP ignored and refused to acknowledge concerns. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:43:00 -
[1220] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
u mad?
lol, you fail butt hurt. immature narrow minded little pubbie flashing EPEEN insulting others. you still fail.
Don't feed the trolls.
lol, that means no more food for you.
heh.
Not sure why you feel the need to quote someone and then edit the quote so that it's portrayed out of context.
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yumike
Eve of Madness
53
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:58:00 -
[1221] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
u mad?
lol, you fail butt hurt. immature narrow minded little pubbie flashing EPEEN insulting others. you still fail.
Don't feed the trolls.
lol, that means no more food for you.
heh. Not sure why you feel the need to quote someone and then edit the quote so that it's portrayed out of context.
Because the majority of them respond with argumentum ad hominem and think it will actually get them somewhere, These are usual the people that believe all opinions are equal. So long as we're getting enjoyment out of this dara o briarn does a really good skit "Science doesn't know everything" easily found on youtube that explains that mentality really good :D |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:14:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
u mad?
lol, you fail butt hurt. immature narrow minded little pubbie flashing EPEEN insulting others. you still fail.
Don't feed the trolls.
lol, that means no more food for you.
heh. Not sure why you feel the need to quote someone and then edit the quote so that it's portrayed out of context.
I'm merely illustrating the volume of negative fluff you included in an otherwise useful post. Everything I quoted was not necessary for your point, in-fact everything I quoted detracted from the point you were attempting to make. 6 Internet memes (3 of them misused) 3 direct insults 1 valid point
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2011.11.15 23:11:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote: I'm merely illustrating the volume of negative fluff you included in an otherwise useful post. Everything I quoted was not necessary for your point, in-fact everything I quoted detracted from the point you were attempting to make. 6 Internet memes (3 of them misused) 3 direct insults 1 valid point
And I merely stated the fact that you quoted me and then edited that quote to portray it out of context by listing specific words, especially since your reply was 'heh'.
Heh = (onomatopoeia) Weak amusement, sometimes signaling boredom. A cold word mistaken for a chuckle, a semi-cynical connotation. Heh is a short reply, where usually the person typing it is feeling down or is annoyed.
yumike gave a good reason why someone would post a quote and then edit it to portray it out of context.
Argumentum ad hominem = attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.
Since you decided to edit the quote and then replied with 'heh', that clearly portrays annoyance, disdain and or contempt in an attempt to discredit me.
Now you try to rationalize and justify your actions by saying those words weren't needed to get my point across when the intent of your entire post is to redirect attention and portray me as the bad guy.
I believe you're intentionally trying to derail this thread which I don't want to happen. From now on I'll be sure to stay on topic and disregard any off topic replies directed personally towards me.
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Lateris
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.11.15 23:16:00 -
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Have you guys noticed that much of the avatars that we have made look like the singer from Radio head? |
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
78
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:12:00 -
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yumike wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:If you don't like it, don't use it.
Again, if you don't like it, don't use it! That's only a viable choice, When CCP learns to balance things and release features involving both concurrently, however it seems they can't balance features/releases properly and releases little to no features for nearly 3 years '08->'11 to the game I pay to play. And apparently their refocus is on FiS and they are shelving WiS. I really do not understand how they cant leave two teams on WiS and have everyone else churning out features for the game we currently play. But apparently they can't, and you are being silly if you think WiS should take priority over FiS.
CCP suffered a major problem of too much on their plate. They decided to run 1 game, and create 2 new games with the staff that could only do 2 of those items. Eve suffered from this because they took it for granted and didn't worry about that game as it was allready successful. When they started treating Eve like a cash cow instead of a product that mattered bad things happened. This is the old news.
Now CCP has realized the mistake and are trying to correct it. They are refocusing on Eve and have tried to get to player base happy. In doing this they have stated they are shelving WiS because they think people didn't like it. (They are still tring to milk the cow because the refuse to deal with the problem that is the Nex and its inflated prices.) And what this thread is stating that alot of people see WiS as an important part of what Eve is and could be. Others have stated that WiS isn't Eve and want no part of it.
While I think the question comes close I don't think that is the question that should be asked. The question is "What is EVE?"
- Is Eve a full Sci Fi simulation that is still growing trying to reach out and be more.
- If that is true then WiS is a very import part of that and must be kept alive and developed further.
- Or is Eve a space ship game.
- If that is true then WiS is a waste of time and energy and has no point.
So what is Eve to you? |
Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2011.11.18 07:52:00 -
[1226] - Quote
Do people reject WiS on principle or reject it because it took away resources from FiS? |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
272
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Posted - 2011.11.18 07:59:00 -
[1227] - Quote
Ann133566 wrote:Do people reject WiS on principle or reject it because it took away resources from FiS?
Both. |
Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:07:00 -
[1228] - Quote
Rather unrealistic considering one of the main reasons that people don't take up EVE is because they don't like the idea of just being a spaceship. Besides, CCP had always said they want to make full use of the avatar, having them not just walking on stations, but in spaceships and planets (long way of). My problem is not with the idea of WiS, but if it actually adds something fun and worthwhile as well as add depth to the gameplay. Releasing a single CQ with no gameplay, no way of interacting with other people, adding the Nex store and then calling it an expansion was a supreme act of stupidity that should go down in video game history.
However, if EVE is to recover and then expand something like a WiS will be vital. It will be naive in the extreme to believe that EVE can survive in a very competitive MMO market by just doing spaceships. There will come a point when FiS reaches a point where further development is not realistic or doesn't add anything significant. We have Null, Low, high and WH space along with incursions already. CCP can tinker with these things and perhaps introduce small gang PVE and on demand PVP but overall I don't think they can change these things in a fundemental or significant way. So perhaps there isn't that much room to manoeuvre in FiS other than fixes, rebalancing and small scale changes. In fact I haven't seen any major ideas comming from anyone in regards to FiS other than the deepspace idea and thats just a rehash of WH space. So the only place CCP can go is to develop PI and Wis. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
291
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:26:00 -
[1229] - Quote
Mekela wrote: The question is "What is EVE?"
- Is Eve a full Sci Fi simulation that is still growing trying to reach out and be more.
- If that is true then WiS is a very import part of that and must be kept alive and developed further.
- Or is Eve a space ship game.
- If that is true then WiS is a waste of time and energy and has no point.
So what is Eve to you?
It is a Sci-Fi simulation. To treat it as a spaceship only game is incredibly narrow minded. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3133
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:37:00 -
[1230] - Quote
Ann133566 wrote:Do people reject WiS on principle or reject it because it took away resources from FiS?
Definitely the latter for me. Heck, I don't even "reject" FiS, I just think that the project was appallingly mis-managed, and that CCP should do a root-and-brach re-organisation of the Incarna project (starting from the top) before they commit anything more than essential maintenence resources to it again. Which they probably are/have.
After that, they need to focus on getting that engine working to a level that can support multiple avatars. Until that happens, no worthwhile content can be delivered or need be considered, because "content" is moot without a platform that can support it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:51:00 -
[1231] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Ann133566 wrote:Do people reject WiS on principle or reject it because it took away resources from FiS? Definitely the latter for me. Heck, I don't even "reject" FiS, I just think that the project was appallingly mis-managed, and that CCP should do a root-and-brach re-organisation of the Incarna project (starting from the top) before they commit anything more than essential maintenence resources to it again. Which they probably are/have. After that, they need to focus on getting that engine working to a level that can support multiple avatars. Until that happens, no worthwhile content can be delivered or need be considered, because "content" is moot without a platform that can support it.
1000x this. |
yumike
Eve of Madness
53
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:35:00 -
[1232] - Quote
Mekela wrote:CCP suffered a major problem of too much on their plate. They decided to run 1 game, and create 2 new games with the staff that could only do 2 of those items. Eve suffered from this because they took it for granted and didn't worry about that game as it was allready successful. When they started treating Eve like a cash cow instead of a product that mattered bad things happened. This is the old news. Now CCP has realized the mistake and are trying to correct it. They are refocusing on Eve and have tried to get to player base happy. In doing this they have stated they are shelving WiS because they think people didn't like it. (They are still tring to milk the cow because the refuse to deal with the problem that is the Nex and its inflated prices.) And what this thread is stating that alot of people see WiS as an important part of what Eve is and could be. Others have stated that WiS isn't Eve and want no part of it. While I think the question comes close I don't think that is the question that should be asked. The question is "What is EVE?"
- Is Eve a full Sci Fi simulation that is still growing trying to reach out and be more.
- If that is true then WiS is a very import part of that and must be kept alive and developed further.
- Or is Eve a space ship game.
- If that is true then WiS is a waste of time and energy and has no point.
So what is Eve to you?
Of course, I completely agree with pretty much everything you said, and your question really hits home.
To answer your question it's certainly the latter, However this doesn't innately make me dislike WiS. I only 'hate on it' simply because it (amongst other things) ate into so much development time the past three plus years (When CCP started taking the idea of incarna seriously)
The only thing i'd like you to really re-iterate is the milking the cow because of nex. Ultimately it doesn't matter what it's priced at, I imagine the vast vast majority that even have bought anything is because it's of the free stuff we got, or bought off market from someone else with the free aurum.
Wasn't it in oveurs mail that some 30 people had bought the monocle glass things in the first 72hours of incarna? If that isn't proof that it's overpriced I don't know what is, but I wouldn't refer to that as milking the cow. If it became required and everyone had to get them (Something that affected the game) Then sure, but not before. ATM it's just fluff. |
BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
34
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:47:00 -
[1233] - Quote
Just for not repeating myself, the main problem of WiS is its actual form and absence of immersion (Forum Link).
It cames out to early ... and that's a shame. |
Jerek Mothas
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
39
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:59:00 -
[1234] - Quote
Ann133566 wrote:However, if EVE is to recover and then expand something like a WiS will be vital. It will be naive in the extreme to believe that EVE can survive in a very competitive MMO market by just doing spaceships. There will come a point when FiS reaches a point where further development is not realistic or doesn't add anything significant. We have Null, Low, high and WH space along with incursions already. CCP can tinker with these things and perhaps introduce small gang PVE and on demand PVP but overall I don't think they can change these things in a fundemental or significant way. So perhaps there isn't that much room to manoeuvre in FiS other than fixes, rebalancing and small scale changes. In fact I haven't seen any major ideas comming from anyone in regards to FiS other than the deepspace idea and thats just a rehash of WH space. So the only place CCP can go is to develop PI and Wis.
I agree completely. WiS will be vital if EVE is to survive long-term, and it's the key to releasing the full potential of EVE as a sci-fi simulator.
BugraT WarheaD wrote:Just for not repeating myself, the main problem of WiS is its actual form and absence of immersion ( Forum Link). It cames out to early ... and that's a shame.
However, in some ways, that's a good thing. The main reason being that now they finally have the characters and the actual "walking" part out of the way. And we have a room to start out with, which is...well, a start. I agree, though, that releasing it in Crucible with all 4 CQs would have been better and slightly more complete (in respects to CQ only, not WiS as a whole). Failfitting ships since 2007.
"Those who control their tongue will have a long life; opening your mouth can ruin everything." - Solomon |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:15:00 -
[1235] - Quote
One point mentioned numerous times is if Eve is going to continue and expand, then WiS must be a part of that future. Whereas I do not have an issue with the potential of such an expansion, once that potential becomes reality, will new players want to become involved with an aged property like Eve? Or will these potential players be looking at something newer where they can be part of the initial groundwork to create their own world?
What is the heart of Eve but player versus player in some fashion? And how do players (attempt to) out-do each other but with the help of skills. And these skills are "gained" with a simple currency - time.
Now these new players will see an aged game run by players with years of skills. While the concept of maximum level of five in any skill is the same for any player that trained it, my past experiences in the old Skill Discussion sub-forums was new players related the higher the total skill point accumulation equaled the more powerful a character. If WiS has any form of skill trees involved with it, then new players might still feel behind and inadequate.
So what should CCP do to "boost" new players closer to our overall averages? If CCP jump starts new players with a decent sized chunk of skills, then those players that started just beforehand will feel they were cheated. If CCP sells skill points with ISK, then the player base as a whole with deeper pockets will just rocket ahead of newer players and widen the gap further. If CCP uses the Nex store, then that whole pox erupts once more and could potentially be fatal to the game as a whole.
But if WiS is the futuristic savior of Eve, then what will it bring to fluently interact with the core of the game? What will it add that cannot be done currently in the game? If WiS ~forces~ the players into a form of game play similar to its initial release, and then I see a repeat of this past summer to a point. If WiS is just an add-on to an aged game, then again, will that draw in the masses as some people in this thread envision?
Again, I do not have anything against the potential of WiS. But CCP will have to determine what hook to draw in new players while offering something to the long term players that still want their FiS and have the whole interact and interlace seamlessly with the core and heart of the game. And to present it that while Eve itself (herself?) is x years old, she is alive, kicking, and better than ever for all involved in this gaming world.
Thanks for reading. |
Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
103
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Posted - 2011.11.19 11:26:00 -
[1236] - Quote
I want WiS, i want it to be epic, i want the vision that i think CCP has for it, which is a fully emersive world that will leave me jobless and single
However CCP take your time, casue i know its going to be awsome, also dont tell us when you are about to implement it or we will only moan |
Ayame Tokugawa
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2011.11.19 12:14:00 -
[1237] - Quote
IMO its not just about WiS but about having grunts fighting on the ground of planets with their guns and tanks while being shot from above by people in their spaceships... its about collecting a bounty on an unsuspecting character while he is shopping for a new afterburner... its about doing courier and combat missions inside the station and/or on planets whitout the need to get into a spaceship... its about doing black market trading in a dark alley while concord isnt watching.. |
StukaBee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2011.11.19 15:28:00 -
[1238] - Quote
Ann133566 wrote:Do people reject WiS on principle or reject it because it took away resources from FiS?
Mostly the latter. CCP can expend 'excess' resources on Incarna, Dust, WoD, or pretty much anything they want as long as there's enough attention being paid to Eve Online's core gameplay being maintained, iterated, and expanded. When Eve wallows in the gutter for years at a time with a skeleton staff because CCP would rather tip the revenue they get from our subscriptions into Reykjavik harbour, hiring people to make vampire bondage gear or macro-transaction monocles and a hilariously broken avatar rendering engine which sets your graphics card on fire, then there's a problem. |
Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
76
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Posted - 2011.11.19 23:12:00 -
[1239] - Quote
I understand why some people want WiS, I fully get why CCP wants to move that direction, and I also get why others disagree. Personally, I don't care about WiS. Just not why I got into Eve, but still, it's a good concept. CCP wants to merge what are essentially two games into one world, and in theory it should be really immersive. I just question whether it'll really work with current limitations. I am not a tech guy, but perhaps CCP's ambition is a bit greater than their means yet.
My problem with WiS is that it's kind of all or nothing. You can't really have meaningful WiS until there is combat there. To make it a full body model version hitting the Market button isn't compelling enough of a reason to have it. You have to be able to DO SOMETHING in station, which is a game unto itself. Tacking on quarters or market stalls isn't worth the resources being diverted from FiS. Either the WiS is a full game dynamic (ie combat of some form) or it's just window dressing eating up RAM.
Of course the more they give you to do in station, the less development in space gaming. If you think there is a rift now between care bears and low/null sec PvP's...wait until there is an entire population of players only interested in the station portion of Eve!!! Having a fully developed WiS game will force a rebuild to characters to account for physical attributes (perhaps weapon skills etc) and associated 'stuff' such as weapons, armor, etc.
People now complain about the forced nature of PvP in Eve, but what about when you are forced to walk a toon down hallways and do melee or shooter type of combat because WiS is integrated into a FiS game. Will those same defenders of 'nowhere is safe from PvP' now be quick to defend it in station in a mode of gameplay they don't play the game for?
If CCP was really that bent on merging the two game types- I would have rather they developed the WiS game on it's own then cross-pollinated them. As it is CCP is trying to develop a 'game within a game' piece by piece, avoiding the obvious end-point, combat in station. So there is very little point in any of it until they cross that bridge. |
Severian Carnifex
105
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Posted - 2011.11.20 23:25:00 -
[1240] - Quote
I want WiS and i am mad at CCP to laying to us all this time and then i last moment "no you wont get it"... :/ And i want it to be epic... and to give us that feeling of reality in eve... feeling that eve is a live.. Give us what you promised... EPIC INCARNA |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.11.20 23:45:00 -
[1241] - Quote
I would like to see PVP in Incarna.
Personally rather than just run and gun type pvp, I would like to see something different. Like poison slipped into your drink, or a stranger brushing up against you and injecting you with an almost invisible nano needle.
Incarna should not be risk free. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2011.11.21 01:35:00 -
[1242] - Quote
I expect(ed) WiS to be something like a cross between The SIms 3 World Adventures & The Elder Scrolls Oblivion/Skyrim. You would talk to a WiS agent, get a mission, maybe talk to some NPCs, pick up some items, go to a few "dungeon" areas, and fight various bad guys both in space and in stations. And of course there would be the social aspects like PvP, hanging out in bars gambling and drinking quafe, having corp meetings "in person" and so on. Could have added a lot to the game. |
Esiel
Renegade Serenity The Cool Kids Club
40
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Posted - 2011.11.21 09:03:00 -
[1243] - Quote
I'm all for anything that would encourage more interaction. And WiS would certainly do that even just to watch those stiff Amarr shake their grove thing and dance on a table. (I know they say no dancing but come on, can you imagine a future with no dancing? How boring.)
Our ships are so impersonal it doesn't even feel like human interactions. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:28:00 -
[1244] - Quote
I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject.
I guess WiS will take its place next to FW and the next phase of T3, WHs and Cosmos.
Way to go CCP!
Issler |
Molly Molotov
Doomheim
29
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:36:00 -
[1245] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject. I guess WiS will take its place next to FW and the next phase of T3, WHs and Cosmos. Way to go CCP! Issler
They would update us I'm sure but,
"All of these ideas would have been nice, and WiS from 08' was great but utilizing this awesome new engine and the NEX store was a better move for us. We hired a ton of top notch consultants and fashion designers about this."
Would probably just depress people with the reality of a thousand crushed dreams.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:50:00 -
[1246] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject. I guess WiS will take its place next to FW and the next phase of T3, WHs and Cosmos. Way to go CCP! Issler
You guys who are all concerned about dressup, are getting 3 new stations to walk in, and probably some new clothes will be coming in. (CCP doesn't really advertise this much because, unlike some people, they have figured out their demographic doesn't really care about dress up.)
FW is only geting a bpc sold cheaper in its lp store as best anyone can tell.
You don't have the right to ***** like FW players.
If you want some new pair of pants then start a proposal in assembly hall. Thats what we had to do for what we wanted in fw. 3 years after they were accepted by csm we are still waiting.
You can complain after ccp has an incarna roundtable at fanfest, that no devs show up at it.
In the meantime why don't you be happy that ccp is working on both fis and wis. Or are you only happy when ccp was only working on WIS like they were for the last 20 months?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Yor Hareka
Doomheim
4
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:18:00 -
[1247] - Quote
I support this.
Players talking about 'the players who want WiS are new and only subbed for it' are ignorant, players were shouting and setting to the calls for WiS for years, possibly even since the game came out, it was called something different before when CCP said that they would give it to us, and now that it is finally starting to come to fruition, I sincerely hope it gets finished, I would love it, not because its necessary, not because its world-shattering, but because it would be *pause for dramatic effect* interesting.
We know WiS isn't necessary, but no game needs survive by only having what is essential and necessary in it, some people actually consider extraneous(sp) features to be fun. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:18:00 -
[1248] - Quote
Cearain wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject. I guess WiS will take its place next to FW and the next phase of T3, WHs and Cosmos. Way to go CCP! Issler You guys who are all concerned about dressup, are getting 3 new stations to walk in, and probably some new clothes will be coming in. (CCP doesn't really advertise this much because, unlike some people, they have figured out their demographic doesn't really care about dress up.) FW is only geting a bpc sold cheaper in its lp store as best anyone can tell. You don't have the right to ***** like FW players. If you want some new pair of pants then start a proposal in assembly hall. Thats what we had to do for what we wanted in fw. 3 years after they were accepted by csm we are still waiting. You can complain after ccp has an incarna roundtable at fanfest, that no devs show up at it. In the meantime why don't you be happy that ccp is working on both fis and wis. Or are you only happy when ccp was only working on WIS like they were for the last 20 months?
Sad panda, how your life must be challenged living in a fact free universe.
WiS is not "dress up". Train "creativity" to at least lvl 2 to understand how your world view is so limited.
FW was initially implemented with a fair amount of functionality. WiS was not. The only single player instance MMORPG experience in the history of computer gaming. And all work in WiS is "on ice". They are NOT working on both. The are finally delivering something already developed related to WiS.
And your false claim they were only working on WiS for the last 20 months shows you are either a troll of daft. They were focused on other games.
And I created alts and alt corps just for FW so I have direct experience with the appointment's that has been. Oh, and CCP has said FW work will be delivered in patches post the expansion, where WiS is dead after the expansion. So at least read a little before you post krap.
Issler
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:34:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Cearain wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject. I guess WiS will take its place next to FW and the next phase of T3, WHs and Cosmos. Way to go CCP! Issler You guys who are all concerned about dressup, are getting 3 new stations to walk in, and probably some new clothes will be coming in. (CCP doesn't really advertise this much because, unlike some people, they have figured out their demographic doesn't really care about dress up.) FW is only geting a bpc sold cheaper in its lp store as best anyone can tell. You don't have the right to ***** like FW players. If you want some new pair of pants then start a proposal in assembly hall. Thats what we had to do for what we wanted in fw. 3 years after they were accepted by csm we are still waiting. You can complain after ccp has an incarna roundtable at fanfest, that no devs show up at it. In the meantime why don't you be happy that ccp is working on both fis and wis. Or are you only happy when ccp was only working on WIS like they were for the last 20 months? Sad panda, how your life must be challenged living in a fact free universe. WiS is not "dress up". Train "creativity" to at least lvl 2 to understand how your world view is so limited. FW was initially implemented with a fair amount of functionality. WiS was not. The only single player instance MMORPG experience in the history of computer gaming. And all work in WiS is "on ice". They are NOT working on both. The are finally delivering something already developed related to WiS...... Issler
Ok you mean they already did all the work for the other 3 stations but just decided we would be overwhelmed if they released them with the minmatar station? You are not even making any sense. They didn't release them because they needed more work. They did the work leading up to this expansion and so they can now release them.
You have to try to be creative to consider "walking in stations" something other than dress up. But whatever. Just because I don't want to play "Walking in stations" doesn't mean I am somehow uncreative.
Here are 2 dev blogs about dress up
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33595&find=unread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16055&find=unread
Now can you show me the one for fw?
Now that you I pointed these facts out to you, maybe you will realize we are living in the same universe, and it is not fact free.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.23 06:44:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Cearain wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject. I guess WiS will take its place next to FW and the next phase of T3, WHs and Cosmos. Way to go CCP! Issler You guys who are all concerned about dressup, are getting 3 new stations to walk in, and probably some new clothes will be coming in. (CCP doesn't really advertise this much because, unlike some people, they have figured out their demographic doesn't really care about dress up.) FW is only geting a bpc sold cheaper in its lp store as best anyone can tell. You don't have the right to ***** like FW players. If you want some new pair of pants then start a proposal in assembly hall. Thats what we had to do for what we wanted in fw. 3 years after they were accepted by csm we are still waiting. You can complain after ccp has an incarna roundtable at fanfest, that no devs show up at it. In the meantime why don't you be happy that ccp is working on both fis and wis. Or are you only happy when ccp was only working on WIS like they were for the last 20 months? Sad panda, how your life must be challenged living in a fact free universe. WiS is not "dress up". Train "creativity" to at least lvl 2 to understand how your world view is so limited. FW was initially implemented with a fair amount of functionality. WiS was not. The only single player instance MMORPG experience in the history of computer gaming. And all work in WiS is "on ice". They are NOT working on both. The are finally delivering something already developed related to WiS...... Issler Ok you mean they already did all the work for the other 3 stations but just decided we would be overwhelmed if they released them with the minmatar station? You are not even making any sense. They didn't release them because they needed more work. They did the work leading up to this expansion and so they can now release them. You have to try to be creative to consider "walking in stations" something other than dress up. But whatever. Just because I don't want to play "Walking in stations" doesn't mean I am somehow uncreative. Here are 2 dev blogs about dress up https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33595&find=unreadhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16055&find=unreadNow can you show me the one for fw? Now that you I pointed these facts out to you, maybe you will realize we are living in the same universe, and it is not fact free.
They said the other three stations weren't totally complete when the first one shipped and they were going to finish them up as patches after Incarna was first released. They then added them to the "expansion"/patch called "Crucible".
There isn't a blog about FW but in the last of the dev comments about the expansion the said FW was coming shortly after the expansion was deployed so they haven't shared what but FW is being worked on. They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion.
And CCP has never posted about "dress up", calling WiS that is a typical troll comment.
You called it "dress up" so you are limited in your ability to comprehend how something might be enjoyable to someone other than you. That you only see it that way immediately disqualifies you from any conversation about WiS.
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Traelox
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
6
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Posted - 2011.11.23 08:19:00 -
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posting here with my 2009 main main (?) to emphasize that WiS has never made any sense to me. I fly around the Lowsec and Highsec and NPC 0.0 universe and visit system after system seeing only ~20% of the pilots in system FiS to begin with. FiS is what built this game, WiS is the biggest example of CCP having an interesting idea, but failing to realize this isn't the game to implement it on. Why give people one more excuse to stay docked up playing in a station when this is a FiS game that brought us here to begin with? (if you say WiS brought you here, you must admit you were gambling on a change to a game that is and always will be based on FiS.... so sucks to be you, sorry).
Let's be PERFECTLY honest. EVE does not have the subscriber base to afford having 10%, 20%, 30% more players stay docked up playing some SIM game. We need more people FiS INTERACTING in space with the other people in this SPACESHIP game.
^^ not yelling, emphasizing.
With several thousand systems already to spread out in, 40K-50K accounts logged in MAX at the busiest times I've seen, and only 20K-25K online in late US TZ when I'm online, my perspective is that there just aren't enough individual users to open up an entire new separate interaction realm within this game and still provide an interactive massive multiplayer experience for FiS.
25,000 pilots logged in - 1,000 Jita trade alts and gankers = 24,000 / 7500 systems = 3.2 pilots/system. <- not very massive.
If you're banking on WiS to up the subscriber count so that the concerns I note above are resolved through more people (keeping the count of FiS players where it is today, or even growing), I believe you're reaching too far to assume that EVE will pull players from other 1st person SIMs where you already get a fancy looking character and customizable clothes with a well established world to play in.
Lastly, i support the dedication of finite corporate resources available to FiS instead of spreading the work across the 2 vaslty different gamestyles. Whether the Crucible model of bug fixes and gameplay hardening will continue, or be augmented with whole new FiS content produced for the next release - the change in focus over the past 1-2 months meets my expectations of a company building a FiS game. Thanks for a fun 2 years of EVE for me, I look forward to the creative things CCP can bring us in the future.
In summary: **** WiS. Those Devs and Graphics guys/gals can do sweet things for FiS --- keep them there.
/brutal honesty |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.11.23 09:09:00 -
[1252] - Quote
Traelox wrote:posting here with my 2009 main main (?) to emphasize that WiS has never made any sense to me. I fly around the Lowsec and Highsec and NPC 0.0 universe and visit system after system seeing only ~20% of the pilots in system FiS to begin with. FiS is what built this game, WiS is the biggest example of CCP having an interesting idea, but failing to realize this isn't the game to implement it on. Why give people one more excuse to stay docked up playing in a station when this is a FiS game that brought us here to begin with? (if you say WiS brought you here, you must admit you were gambling on a change to a game that is and always will be based on FiS.... so sucks to be you, sorry).
Let's be PERFECTLY honest. EVE does not have the subscriber base to afford having 10%, 20%, 30% more players stay docked up playing some SIM game. We need more people FiS INTERACTING in space with the other people in this SPACESHIP game.
^^ not yelling, emphasizing.
With several thousand systems already to spread out in, 40K-50K accounts logged in MAX at the busiest times I've seen, and only 20K-25K online in late US TZ when I'm online, my perspective is that there just aren't enough individual users to open up an entire new separate interaction realm within this game and still provide an interactive massive multiplayer experience for FiS.
25,000 pilots logged in - 1,000 Jita trade alts and gankers = 24,000 / 7500 systems = 3.2 pilots/system. <- not very massive.
If you're banking on WiS to up the subscriber count so that the concerns I note above are resolved through more people (keeping the count of FiS players where it is today, or even growing), I believe you're reaching too far to assume that EVE will pull players from other 1st person SIMs where you already get a fancy looking character and customizable clothes with a well established world to play in.
Lastly, i support the dedication of finite corporate resources available to FiS instead of spreading the work across the 2 vaslty different gamestyles. Whether the Crucible model of bug fixes and gameplay hardening will continue, or be augmented with whole new FiS content produced for the next release - the change in focus over the past 1-2 months meets my expectations of a company building a FiS game. Thanks for a fun 2 years of EVE for me, I look forward to the creative things CCP can bring us in the future.
In summary: **** WiS. Those Devs and Graphics guys/gals can do sweet things for FiS --- keep them there.
/brutal honesty
Quoted for poorly thought out arguments and make believe maths.
Some players want EVE, others do not. Same as Faction warfare. Same as PVP. Same as any particular thing you can do in EVE. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Xavier Saraki
Saraki Brothers
1
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:39:00 -
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Has CCP stated how they will handle 900 pilots attempting to walk in the Caldari Navy Assembly Plant in Jita? Will there be a "Sorry Captain. But the station halls are too crowded for additional visitors. Please come back another time." ? I'm worried on the impact that WiS will have with the rest of EVE. I feel like the best course of action would be to allow walking in ships as well. But if I were a Dev, I would say, "good luck with that."
The thought of people walking in stations together and playing virtual poker is nice and all; but the primary mechanics of the game are based in space or with the market. I can see many players taking "long" breaks from the complex mechanics and vastness of EVE. Then you have too many players playing poker for ISK and none traveling in space. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:30:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject.
..... They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion....
Issler
Which is it Issler?
They came out with 2 dev blogs (maybe more there was one about shaders with your avatar too) about changes in the latest expansion dealing with WIS, and you pout. Are you upset that its no longer the case that every dev blog is talking about WIS?
And sorry, the fact that I recognize wis is really just dress up does not make me a troll. It makes me a realist. I see things for what they are. You seem so obsessed with some vision of what you think computer gaming and walking in stations will be in the year 3000 that you are missing reality. Reality is WIS is Dress up. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Traelox
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
6
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:37:00 -
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Flamespar wrote: Quoted for poorly thought out arguments and make believe maths.
Some players want EVE, others do not. Same as Faction warfare. Same as PVP. Same as any particular thing you can do in EVE.
25,000 pilots logged in - 1,000 Jita trade alts and gankers = 24,000 / 7500 systems = 3.2 pilots/system
I'm pretty stoked that I have somehow invented a system of make believe math where this is not a really math equation, but instead, some sort of "make believe" relational statement between several variables.
ahhhhhh, fear me, for I am genius. The only way to respond to my personal opinions and beliefs on WiS is to spluge philisophically thin statements purporting to represent thousands of individual stakeholders' wants and playstyles without providing... wait for it... statistically relevant proof of your player polling.
move along, nothing else to see here but someone padding post counts. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:44:00 -
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Traelox wrote:posting here with my 2009 main main (?) to emphasize that WiS has never made any sense to me. I fly around the Lowsec and Highsec and NPC 0.0 universe and visit system after system seeing only ~20% of the pilots in system FiS to begin with. FiS is what built this game, WiS is the biggest example of CCP having an interesting idea, but failing to realize this isn't the game to implement it on. Why give people one more excuse to stay docked up playing in a station when this is a FiS game that brought us here to begin with? (if you say WiS brought you here, you must admit you were gambling on a change to a game that is and always will be based on FiS.... so sucks to be you, sorry).
Let's be PERFECTLY honest. EVE does not have the subscriber base to afford having 10%, 20%, 30% more players stay docked up playing some SIM game. We need more people FiS INTERACTING in space with the other people in this SPACESHIP game.
^^ not yelling, emphasizing.
With several thousand systems already to spread out in, 40K-50K accounts logged in MAX at the busiest times I've seen, and only 20K-25K online in late US TZ when I'm online, my perspective is that there just aren't enough individual users to open up an entire new separate interaction realm within this game and still provide an interactive massive multiplayer experience for FiS.
25,000 pilots logged in - 1,000 Jita trade alts and gankers = 24,000 / 7500 systems = 3.2 pilots/system. <- not very massive.
If you're banking on WiS to up the subscriber count so that the concerns I note above are resolved through more people (keeping the count of FiS players where it is today, or even growing), I believe you're reaching too far to assume that EVE will pull players from other 1st person SIMs where you already get a fancy looking character and customizable clothes with a well established world to play in.
Lastly, i support the dedication of finite corporate resources available to FiS instead of spreading the work across the 2 vaslty different gamestyles. Whether the Crucible model of bug fixes and gameplay hardening will continue, or be augmented with whole new FiS content produced for the next release - the change in focus over the past 1-2 months meets my expectations of a company building a FiS game. Thanks for a fun 2 years of EVE for me, I look forward to the creative things CCP can bring us in the future.
In summary: **** WiS. Those Devs and Graphics guys/gals can do sweet things for FiS --- keep them there.
/brutal honesty There are too many misconceptions in this post for it to be relevant. I don't know how many times CCP has stated that EvE is a "Space SciFi Simulator". This does not just mean "spaceship game". They want to make EvE the full deal which includes getting out of your ship and walking around. This includes ground combat on planets. Likely something very limited in scope for the EvE client so they made DUST. I support CCP doing what they want to do to make this game their vision. I support working on WiS and FiS independantly as they see fit using whatever resources they desire. I also support the players who seem to think they know whats best and telling CCP what to do shutting the **** up and playing the game instead of whining on the forums about how they never get any attention.
/rant
What is going to happen when CCP finally decides to revisit and finish WiS to be what they visioned it to be? Are the FiS babies going to start throwning tantrums again because all the attention isn't focused on them? Are there going to be more riots in Jita? Will players with PC's that can't run WiS cry about how they can't use it so it's worthless? Will people whine about a feature they aren't even forced to use and can simply ignore?
I think CCP should do whatever the hell they want with EvE. There is absolutely nothing wrong with WiS except that it brings out the ignorance and blind hatred of people who don't understand the simple fact that EvE will need to expand and grow to survive in the MMO world. Again...this means finishing WiS eventually. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.11.23 15:03:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion. Issler
Wait, where did they say that?
IGÇÖm fine with them taking more time with incarna in the hope that it will be a fully fleshed out RPG style game (e.g. mass effect) but if they are dropping it all together IGÇÖm going to be really unhappy.
Flying round in spaceships doing the same old shite that people have been doing for years is not what i signed up for! I wanted to play the ultimate sci-fi game, not pretty looking excel doc.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.11.23 15:09:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion. Issler Wait, where did they say that? IGÇÖm fine with them taking more time with incarna in the hope that it will be a fully fleshed out RPG style game (e.g. mass effect) but if they are dropping it all together IGÇÖm going to be really unhappy. Flying round in spaceships doing the same old shite that people have been doing for years is not what i signed up for! I wanted to play the ultimate sci-fi game, not pretty looking excel doc. Well said. And they didn't say that WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion. At least I have never seen anything from a Dev or otherwise to that effect. They did state that they were shelving it in favor of more iteration on FiS. Which they have done with the winter expansion and I am sure they will continue to do so in the future but I doubt they are going to just not work on WiS. They will come back to it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:05:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion. Issler Wait, where did they say that? ...
They didn't. The very same person you quote blithely contradicts himself while claiming others have the facts wrong.
This quote is nothing more than a lame attempt to generate drama for the pro-dressup community.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:27:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
They didn't. The very same person you quote blithely contradicts himself while claiming others have the facts wrong.
This quote is nothing more than a lame attempt to generate drama for the pro-dressup community.
Personally, i appreciate that he/she brought up the matter and has continued to keep the thread alive... Anything said after the original post is irrelevant really, as the message remains the same; some people want WIS.
I haven't read through the entire thread but i doubt that this is all about people wanting to play dress-up games. I think it's more that they want the game to evolve in addition to improving the existing experience. |
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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
97
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:28:00 -
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I do want WiS far more than I want another change to sov mechanic that won't change anything since the powerblocks will still stay buddies. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:33:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote: I haven't read through the entire thread but i doubt that this is all about people wanting to play dress-up games. I think it's more that they want the game to evolve in addition to improving the existing experience.
Yes there is allot of vague talk about how wis will "improve the experience." But whenever anyone gets concrete it boils down to dress up, and maybe (if ccp really dedicates allot of resources) virtual store clerk.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:00:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I don't know how many times CCP has stated that EvE is a "Space SciFi Simulator". CCP also envisioned Eve to be a "cold, harsh universe" but for many of us ~bitter vets~, they seem to be softening the game with age...
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:What is going to happen when CCP finally decides to revisit and finish WiS to be what they visioned it to be? I would predict one of two possible scenarios: WiS will never reach their ideal vision of hundreds of pilots fluently interacting with each other due to overall technical limitations or people as a whole will have moved onward to another game that will not have the stigma of being "old" like Eve.
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Are there going to be more riots in Jita? Will players with PC's that can't run WiS cry about how they can't use it so it's worthless? Devil's advocate - was the first version of WiS anything more than a front for micro transactions? If either WiS or the Nex store were such huge monetary hits for CCP, then why did they change course with this up-coming expansion? Why would CCP regain their sense of humor and replace the Jita statue with a quite damaged one?
While someone will pull numbers from somewhere and attempt to prove me wrong, to me - the real life person typing this here, for quite a while, the gaming universe felt empty of players. Buy and sell orders were idling when past actions had items being exchanged forward and backwards. And to fly a ship full of goods through the Uedama system and find no one at their gates, and I am not talking dead of night either... The initial version of WiS soured many people to where CCP realized they had to return to what they done best.
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Will people whine about a feature they aren't even forced to use and can simply ignore? I really hope you did not forget the first version of WiS was a mandatory addition that forced people to enter the single room (or door) before enough uproar brought back ship spinning.
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: is absolutely nothing wrong with WiS except that it brings out the ignorance and blind hatred of people who don't understand the simple fact that EvE will need to expand and grow to survive in the MMO world. Again...this means finishing WiS eventually. Devil's advocate once more - how has Eve survived, much less expanded, over the past eight plus years with only the simple FiS genre? Where is the concrete proof that unless Eve becomes like other run-of-the-mill MMO games, it will suddenly belly-up and crash and burn? And I understand there are players that hung their hopes that Eve will become this full blown WiS extraveganza. But after all these years and the only aspect has been one single room with limited actions, then how much longer will these die hards be willing to wait - especially with CCP currently concentrating on FiS?
Just some thoughts on the matter. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:58:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Rek Seven wrote: I haven't read through the entire thread but i doubt that this is all about people wanting to play dress-up games. I think it's more that they want the game to evolve in addition to improving the existing experience.
Yes there is allot of vague talk about how wis will "improve the experience." But whenever anyone gets concrete it boils down to dress up, and maybe (if ccp really dedicates allot of resources) virtual store clerk.
Cearain, I"m quoting you because your point needs to be addressed, but I'll cover a couple of other points as well that seem to have been forgotten about or buried as this thread grows.
Because I enjoy most of your posts (but disagree with you on this matter) I'll address your post first.
WIS content was never mean to focus on dress up. While costomization of content is becoming a much larger focus for EVE it unfortunately has a strong connection in peoples minds with clothing and the NeX store. We are seeing the fruits of the underlying work that has been in progress for quite some time to make customization possilbe not only for WIS but also for FIS content.
No, WIS content was always about adding a new dimension to EVE. One that can stand alone if wanted, but that at it's core worked with and enhanced FIS content as well. Unfortunately, the initial release of the core technology was incredibly badly handled and chose the worst possible content to showcase. It didn't help that while CCP knew what potential this new area of game play had, they focused so much on the mechanics of it (due to it being fundamental to other projects as well) that they neglected planning the path that content would take properly.
A myriad of idea's have been proposed for WIS content. Idea's that compliment FIS content with WIS content that makes logical sense to be done by an Avatar instead of a boy in a bubble plugged into a starship. To say that there hasn't been extensive discussion of interesting possibilities is inaccurate. Granted, those conversations usually get drown out by people that have such a bad taste in their mouth over the initial offering they are easily overlooked... so your comment is pretty understandable.
As to the rest, no statement has been made that WIS has been cancelled. It WAS annouced that WOD development was put on the back burner for now (understandably) and since we all know of the clear connection between the two it is assumed that means WIS is as well. But "on the back burner" does not mean cancelled, and now that the core mechanics are in place WIS development is not entirely dependent on WOD development.
I hesitate to speak for all people pushing for further WIS content, but if I were to put it in a nutshell "most" of these people...
... do NOT want WIS to consist of "dress up". ... they do not want WIS to detract from FIS content development.
... they do want WIS development to be continue with a reasonable and responsible amount of dev resources devoted to it. ... they do want WIS content that makes sense, is engaging and fun, and that compliments and enhances FIS content. ... they do want the technology running smoothly and efficiently before release. ... they do want WIS content to be fully involved (one way or another) with player based industry. ... they want it to be (or now to continue to be) optional.
Personally, I don't find that unreasonable. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:22:00 -
[1265] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Lots of stuff on my post that CCP won't let me quote again...grrr.... Just some thoughts on the matter.
I gave you a "like" for the good points...now I will reply with my opinion on them.
First off I would state that I think EvE is still cold and harsh. Maybe not as much in Highsec but EvE still remains the game that players make it within set rules. Wormhole space is pretty rough to live in for one. This new change to insurance payouts on pirates doesn't make it any easier for them for sure. Yes...changes have been made but I don't feel it is any "easier" just different.
I don't think WiS will ever reach their "ideal" vision of it either. At least not any time soon and not without some massive server and network infrastructure upgrades. But that is not to say they shouldn't push the envelope and try.
I don't think that the first iteration of WiS was deliberately made to be a front for MT. I think that the NEX store had to be released at the same time as WiS to allow for what they desired to be the purchase of clothing and whatnot through NEX. Is NEX a front for money grabbing through PLEX? Absolutely but I am not going to call that a bad thing. CCP needs to make money and as long as they stick to their promise of vanity items only then I am ok with this as it is optional. And yes I will agree that there is a lot of empty space out there that nobody uses...but that is not because of WiS or NEX...that is because Nullsec has grown boring and there really isn't much incentive to go out there anymore. Especially after the Sanctum nerf. Let's not go there though.
I did not forget that WiS was forced on us in the beginning. Big mistake CCP. That has been corrected and in the future it will not be required to enter WiS just like it isn't now.
EvE has survived as a "niche" game. EvE is the only MMORPG of it's kind in the space genre. This is why EvE has survived. Has EvE expanded? A little...not much if you think about how long EvE has been running. At this point most companies would expect their game to be well over a couple of million subs otherwise they would cancel the game. CCP has not done this because EvE is the flagship game for them. This makes sense. But EvE is also limited by what subscribers it can bring in due to it's "niche". WiS would not correct this but it would alleviate some of the problem. My wife as an example would not play EvE because she could not see her character. This may be stupid to you and I but it is how a lot of gamers if not the vast majority feel other than those who play EvE. Now she plays EvE.
At this point CCP needs to find a fine balance and work on both FiS and WiS with FiS being a priority. Keep the core alive but build on it one step at a time. Don't bite off more than you can chew. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:44:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:[ No, WIS content was always about adding a new dimension to EVE. One that can stand alone if wanted, but that at it's core worked with and enhanced FIS content as well. Unfortunately, the initial release of the core technology was incredibly badly handled and chose the worst possible content to showcase. It didn't help that while CCP knew what potential this new area of game play had, they focused so much on the mechanics of it (due to it being fundamental to other projects as well) that they neglected planning the path that content would take properly.
A myriad of idea's have been proposed for WIS content. Idea's that compliment FIS content with WIS content that makes logical sense to be done by an Avatar instead of a boy in a bubble plugged into a starship. To say that there hasn't been extensive discussion of interesting possibilities is inaccurate. Granted, those conversations usually get drown out by people that have such a bad taste in their mouth over the initial offering they are easily overlooked... so your comment is pretty understandable...
If I showed you a something back from the summer of 2010 that demonstrated CCP did not intend any game play with WIS would that change your mind?
There has never been any indication that ccp intended much in the way of real game play in WIS. Just allot of walking and looking at other avatars. If I am wrong please show me where CCP has ever demonstrated that Walking in stations would be more than walking and virtual store clerks.
I can also show you that it wasnGÇÖt just the roll out that got players upset. They were upset that CCP was putting so many resources into incarna well before the incarna release. Indeed look at the posts from the summer of rage 2010. Look at the responses to CCP Zulus dev blog where he explains how many people are working on incarna. That dev blog was a response to the outrage caused because of the 18 month timeline that was going to be dedicated to incarna.
Seriously look back at the forums. Look at the CSM minutes from june of 2010. This rage isnGÇÖt new or due to GÇ£poor implantationGÇ¥ itGÇÖs because players recognize, and have recognized all along, there isnGÇÖt much to a GÇ£no combat wis.GÇ¥
There have always been *some* players who want incarna but the vast majority of those responses were that CCP needs to focus on FIS.
I agree players have talked about different things including combat. But CCP made it clear they intend no combat in wis.
People keep saying that players were upset that WIS was not "properly implented." However, they really fail to mention what they want. The best ideas that come up are being a store clerk/bartender.
"Open the door." Ok and then what walk down a hall? Sit a virtual bar and watch your computer avatar have a virtual drink? Walk around a city like they do in other mmos? I agree all that will be nice and will make me go GÇ£eww and ahhGÇ¥ the first time I see it. But with no real game play to it I won't be there more than once or twice unless they force me to.
Shiny graphics are nice but the amount of time to create a whole new area of the game that offers nothing but shiny graphics is not smart. Not when eve has so much room for improvement in the core game. Which btw is a great core game.
Given that the hardware in todays computers can barely support a single room with one avatar - it makes no sense for ccp to beat their head against a wall trying to make huge rooms with hundreds of avatars. They have very detailed figures. They did a great job with them. They need to wait until the hardware catches up and hopefully makes the software design side easier.
They do not need whiney threads where a poster after getting 2 dev blogs about WIS improvements says: GÇ¥I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject.GÇ¥ And then about a day later pouts: GÇ£They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion....GÇ¥ CCP is to be congratulated on really trying to make eve better with this winter expansion. Complaining that we havenGÇÖt heard from them about incarna in the last few weeks is crap.
I am a big fan of fw. For my gameplay that mechanic is the main thing I care about. But I am glad ccp is doing other things that the players asked for. (Even if I donGÇÖt want some of them, which I donGÇÖt) Comparing ccps few weeks of neglect of WIS to the over a year neglect of FW is ridiculous. I am not going to whine about FW though. Because I am glad ccp is at least responding to players.
They will get to FW and make it great. ItGÇÖs too obvious that FW could make this game explode in numbers to ignore it.
Seriously wait until the hardware catches up a bit. Then they can make wis better without spending an unreasonable amount of resources on it.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:23:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject.
..... They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion....
Issler Which is it Issler? They came out with 2 dev blogs (maybe more there was one about shaders with your avatar too) about changes in the latest expansion dealing with WIS, and you pout. Are you upset that its no longer the case that every dev blog is talking about WIS? And sorry, the fact that I recognize wis is really just dress up does not make me a troll. It makes me a realist. I see things for what they are. You seem so obsessed with some vision of what you think computer gaming and walking in stations will be in the year 3000 that you are missing reality. Reality is WIS is Dress up.
And the CEO said the are stopping further work on WiS because the Eve player base rejected it (what started this thread) and then another developer said WiS was "on ice indefinitely" because CCP couldn't see how to make it compelling.
So read more before posting.
Issler |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:29:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Cearain wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject.
..... They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion....
Issler Which is it Issler? They came out with 2 dev blogs (maybe more there was one about shaders with your avatar too) about changes in the latest expansion dealing with WIS, and you pout. Are you upset that its no longer the case that every dev blog is talking about WIS? And sorry, the fact that I recognize wis is really just dress up does not make me a troll. It makes me a realist. I see things for what they are. You seem so obsessed with some vision of what you think computer gaming and walking in stations will be in the year 3000 that you are missing reality. Reality is WIS is Dress up. And the CEO said the are stopping further work on WiS because the Eve player base rejected it (what started this thread) and then another developer said WiS was "on ice indefinitely" because CCP couldn't see how to make it compelling. So read more before posting. Issler
So if they said this then why did you write "I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject." They did update you. You just didn't like it. Are you expecting updates more than every 2 months? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
137
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:20:00 -
[1269] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:And the CEO said the are stopping further work on WiS because the Eve player base rejected it (what started this thread) and then another developer said WiS was "on ice indefinitely" because CCP couldn't see how to make it compelling. So read more before posting. Issler
Which is perhaps the worst event of all, because it shows they have zero long term design vision and are for the most part "blowing in the current customer bases wind".
It has been what, 8 or 9 years, if this exact model was going to take off, it would have by now. They may have made a PART of their current customer base happy, but in the big picture they have commited to a long term development path on an interface that reminds me of XWindows on FreeBSD circa 1997.
I was hoping this was just the start, I would like to walk around my ship, I would like to have a crew walking around my ship, hire new players to man guns.
EvE is not just spaceships, it is the sandbox, spaceships are not all single pilot, who the hell is loading those drones down there anyway??
The solution to many balance issues lies in WiS and WiShips. For example, take the super cap, it could stay super, if it had a 15 man crew
This would also help the lag issues, having 1000 players = 1000 ships is not only unrealistic, it is lag hell. |
Traelox
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
6
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Posted - 2011.11.24 01:38:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:There are too many misconceptions in this post for it to be relevant.
lol, so I've got one guy saying I invented a new type of make-believe math, and now you chalk my perception and opinions on the game up as misconceptions that are thus irrelevant. Let me put it to you straight so there's no confusion.
My post summarized:
1) FiS is what started this game 2) People came to the game (and stayed) for FiS (as I also said, if you were banking on a major shift to WiS, sucks to be you) 3) The game will always be about FiS, else why is it a space-sim and not an upgraded graphics version of second life? 4) There are not enough people FiS right now to consider eve crowded or massive or making full use of the available FiS content. 5) Any more reasons to give people content that is not FiS will result in even fewer people FiS, thus that content is bad for FiS. 6) WiS or any other non FiS content piece will not win over enough users from other MMOs to make up for the lost FiS interaction as a result of introducing non FiS content. 6) **** WiS 7) Good job on EVE CCP, me love you long time.
Agree or disagree, but my make believe math and irrelevant opinions are neither.
New bottom line summary statement for my position on this topic: Even if WiS is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it is not good for EvE because it will take player-hours AWAY from FiS. As soon as a player makes the choice to stay WiS, that has an instant, tangible, and irreplaceable impact on the MMO environment of FiS. If you purport that WiS will augment or enhance FiS (as I saw in a previous post) Show me how player-hours spent WiS can ever be replaced in FiS. You can't prove it because it's a "0"-sum equation. Players are either WiS or FiS at any moment in time. Limit the interest in WiS and keep people undocking to play the game. Please. |
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1802
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Posted - 2011.11.24 01:43:00 -
[1271] - Quote
CCP have really shot themselves in the foot with this FiS Wis naming because when it comes time for Flying in Stations and Walking in Space they are going to have to give them both silly names. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2011.11.24 01:47:00 -
[1272] - Quote
Traelox wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:There are too many misconceptions in this post for it to be relevant. lol, so I've got one guy saying I invented a new type of make-believe math, and now you chalk my perception and opinions on the game up as misconceptions that are thus irrelevant. Let me put it to you straight so there's no confusion. My post summarized: 1) FiS is what started this game 2) People came to the game (and stayed) for FiS (as I also said, if you were banking on a major shift to WiS, sucks to be you) 3) The game will always be about FiS, else why is it a space-sim and not an upgraded graphics version of second life? 4) There are not enough people FiS right now to consider eve crowded or massive or making full use of the available FiS content. 5) Any more reasons to give people content that is not FiS will result in even fewer people FiS, thus that content is bad for FiS. 6) WiS or any other non FiS content piece will not win over enough users from other MMOs to make up for the lost FiS interaction as a result of introducing non FiS content. 6) **** WiS 7) Good job on EVE CCP, me love you long time. Agree or disagree, but my make believe math and irrelevant opinions are neither. New bottom line summary statement for my position on this topic:Even if WiS is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it is not good for EvE because it will take player-hours AWAY from FiS. As soon as a player makes the choice to stay WiS, that has an instant, tangible, and irreplaceable impact on the MMO environment of FiS. If you purport that WiS will augment or enhance FiS (as I saw in a previous post) Show me how player-hours spent WiS can ever be replaced in FiS. You can't prove it because it's a "0"-sum equation. Players are either WiS or FiS at any moment in time. Limit the interest in WiS and keep people undocking to play the game. Please.
So.... Science and Industry, Invention, Market Trading, PI.... they need to go too because they are not "OMG FLYING IN SPACE"? Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1802
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Posted - 2011.11.24 01:53:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:So.... Science and Industry, Invention, Market Trading, PI.... they need to go too because they are not "OMG FLYING IN SPACE"? You dont need to play with a dolly to do any of those activities. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.24 03:10:00 -
[1274] - Quote
Traelox wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:There are too many misconceptions in this post for it to be relevant. lol, so I've got one guy saying I invented a new type of make-believe math, and now you chalk my perception and opinions on the game up as misconceptions that are thus irrelevant. Let me put it to you straight so there's no confusion. My post summarized: 1) FiS is what started this game 2) People came to the game (and stayed) for FiS (as I also said, if you were banking on a major shift to WiS, sucks to be you) 3) The game will always be about FiS, else why is it a space-sim and not an upgraded graphics version of second life? 4) There are not enough people FiS right now to consider eve crowded or massive or making full use of the available FiS content. 5) Any more reasons to give people content that is not FiS will result in even fewer people FiS, thus that content is bad for FiS. 6) WiS or any other non FiS content piece will not win over enough users from other MMOs to make up for the lost FiS interaction as a result of introducing non FiS content. 6) **** WiS 7) Good job on EVE CCP, me love you long time. Agree or disagree, but my make believe math and irrelevant opinions are neither. New bottom line summary statement for my position on this topic:Even if WiS is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it is not good for EvE because it will take player-hours AWAY from FiS. As soon as a player makes the choice to stay WiS, that has an instant, tangible, and irreplaceable impact on the MMO environment of FiS. If you purport that WiS will augment or enhance FiS (as I saw in a previous post) Show me how player-hours spent WiS can ever be replaced in FiS. You can't prove it because it's a "0"-sum equation. Players are either WiS or FiS at any moment in time. Limit the interest in WiS and keep people undocking to play the game. Please.
CCP says Eve is a scifi simulation. Not just a space game. Already enough none FiS content to prove that.
Sorry, you fail.
Issler
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.11.24 03:45:00 -
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I think I'm done with this thread.
It's going around in circles, and both sides of the debate are doing nothing at this point but posting misconceptions and half truths.
We'll see what happens, and we'll also see who had their facts straight and who did not.
I think you'll be surprised.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.11.24 03:47:00 -
[1276] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:I think I'm done with this thread.
It's going around in circles, and both sides of the debate are doing nothing at this point but posting misconceptions and half truths.
We'll see what happens, and we'll also see who had their facts straight and who did not.
I think you'll be surprised.
Its not entirely true. However only "FiS" no "WiS" people seems to miss the difference between my opinion and fact.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.11.24 03:53:00 -
[1277] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote:
So.... Science and Industry, Invention, Market Trading, PI.... they need to go too because they are not "OMG FLYING IN SPACE"?
the purpose of all the above activities is to enable fis-ing to provide the supply to the demand of fis
if wis is not involved in supply demand circle of life, it has no reason to exist One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.11.24 03:56:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:Wacktopia wrote:
So.... Science and Industry, Invention, Market Trading, PI.... they need to go too because they are not "OMG FLYING IN SPACE"?
the purpose of all the above activities is to enable fis-ing to provide the supply to the demand of fis if wis is not involved in supply demand circle of life, it has no reason to exist
And if it exist it harms you. How exactly ?
And wouldnt it be easier to make just NPCs sell all ? for enabling FiS only ?
Anyway WiS can provide needed ISK sink. As well as PLEX sink. Just saying. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.11.24 04:02:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
And if it exist it harms you. How exactly ?
And wouldnt it be easier to make just NPCs sell all ? for enabling FiS only ?
by wasting ccp's scarce resources and npc sell all? wow you got me i have no words to respond to that, what a great idea One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2011.11.24 06:19:00 -
[1280] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:I think I'm done with this thread.
It's going around in circles, and both sides of the debate are doing nothing at this point but posting misconceptions and half truths.
We'll see what happens, and we'll also see who had their facts straight and who did not.
I think you'll be surprised.
I came to the same conclusion a couple of weeks ago.
Anyway,
I hope CCP's vision of turning this game into a Science Fiction Virtual Universe becomes a reality. That includes doing PvP and PvE in both WiS and FiS.
When that happens, we'll all be able to say 'Eve Is Real'. |
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.11.24 07:53:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I think I'm done with this thread.
It's going around in circles, and both sides of the debate are doing nothing at this point but posting misconceptions and half truths.
We'll see what happens, and we'll also see who had their facts straight and who did not.
I think you'll be surprised.
I came to the same conclusion a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, I hope CCP's vision of turning this game into a Science Fiction Virtual Universe becomes a reality. That includes doing PvP and PvE in both WiS and FiS. When that happens, we'll all be able to say 'Eve Is Real'.
I don't see much room for WiS PvP so far since capsuleers are mortal outside of the pod. And Dust 514's cloning is quite a different beast than capsuleers'; dust bunnies are transfered to generic clones once they commit suicide to their original body, which is lost forever. So far as Dust Chronicles go, they don't even got female clones for female warriors...
But, who knows? Maybe in the future capsuleers will get the ability to clonejump into a Dust clone... we are so filthy rich and wicked... What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Khors
El Barco Pirata
52
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:52:00 -
[1282] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:I think I'm done with this thread.
It's going around in circles, and both sides of the debate are doing nothing at this point but posting misconceptions and half truths.
It's not a debate, it's a forum thread on the internet. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:15:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Wacktopia wrote:So.... Science and Industry, Invention, Market Trading, PI.... they need to go too because they are not "OMG FLYING IN SPACE"? You dont need to play with a dolly to do any of those activities.
To be really honest, PI is the only single one of those things with a nice user interface. The others need more 'dolling' up.
You're touching on the fact that WiS currently has no point, however, there have been endless good ideas that CCP will probably never get round to doing that could work very well from a WiS perspective. EVE is all about logistics in many ways and WiS could simply be another of those.
That all said, I welcome the FiS improvement over WiS at this point in EVE's lifetime. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1802
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:23:00 -
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Pretty much agreed. The main beef over walking in stations was that it was clearly detracting CCP's attention from the core element of the game while offering very little in its initial form. Seemingly the only reason to have it at that stage was to justify the the Aurum store.
That aside, with changes to space stuff coming along, any WiS stuff only seems worthwhile 'forcing' on the player if it involves player interaction. There should be no reason to have to walk about just to interact with science, PI, industry or what have you. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
ariana ailith
Aribar Conglomerate
45
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:58:00 -
[1285] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Walking in Stations is a huge task and one which really hadn't been thought out properly.
We're talking stations of over 20 km in size. How are we going to walk around that lot? What are we going to do in there? In fact, what is in all those thousands of miles of corridors and how are we going to interact?
I've seen other games where we've had taverns in towns where players could meet and, always, they're empty. So, if we're wanting an Eve version of Mallory's Bar (The Gap) or that bar from Total Recall then we're going to have to have something worth our while going around walking in stations.
When I was playing other games I never once saw the point of towns or cities where we could meet other players. Not once did I say I'll spend the evening playing BadgerQuest or whatever and spend the time sitting around in a town. And neither did I once run into any players who were hanging around like extras in Westerns lounging around on the boardwalks.
In every MMO that I have played, players would come into town - because they had to - get whatever it was they had to have done done as fast as they could - and then beetle off to do some whatever they did out of the towns.
So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players? I have, at the moment no interest in WiS and I can't see me every having any interest in doing so. CCP would have to pull a massive rabbit out of a hat to make me interested. And if they tried to force us to leave the pod to find an agent/repairshop/refinery then the recent rage would be nothing compared to that storm.
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work.
It will work... Segways! |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:44:00 -
[1286] - Quote
You know, the more i read about this, the more confused I get...
A few months back we had CCP saying that they would like more subscribers and they release a video that apparently shows what their plans are for the future (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRyXDlZKwgA), which the fans went crazy for at fan fest... Then they turn round and announced that they are scrapping their plans because the community have rejected them, when in actual fact the only thing fans rejected were the pricing on the NEX store and the removal of previous functionality (ship spinning).
So considering this, i think we are being misled by CCP and they actually decided to put WIS on hold because it was nothing more than an expansion to the NEX store... So the naysayers like Cearain are probable right in that WIS would add nothing new to eve gameplay wise but on the other hand, the people who are for WIS believe that the content shown to us in the future vision trailer would enhance the current experience. Both sides have perfectly legitimate arguments but weGÇÖre really talking about two completely different things.
I think the only way forward would be for CCP to release their full design plans for Incarna so that we could have a factual discuss and decide whether we want to see their vision of WIS or not.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:50:00 -
[1287] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:You know, the more i read about this, the more confused I get...
A few months back we had CCP saying that they would like more subscribers and they release a video that apparently shows what their plans are for the future (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRyXDlZKwgA), which the fans went crazy for at fan fest... Then they turn round and announced that they are scrapping their plans because the community have rejected them, when in actual fact the only thing fans rejected were the pricing on the NEX store and the removal of previous functionality (ship spinning).
So considering this, i think we are being misled by CCP and they actually decided to put WIS on hold because it was nothing more than an expansion to the NEX store... So the naysayers like Cearain are probable right in that WIS would add nothing new to eve gameplay wise but on the other hand, the people who are for WIS believe that the content shown to us in the future vision trailer would enhance the current experience. Both sides have perfectly legitimate arguments but weGÇÖre really talking about two completely different things.
I think the only way forward would be for CCP to release their full design plans for Incarna so that we could have a factual discuss and decide whether we want to see their vision of WIS or not.
CCP will not respond on this, this thread isn,t about how good they are and what kind of great fixes (they named it expansion) they are making.
sorry for bad English
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Traelox
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
6
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:27:00 -
[1288] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:I think the only way forward would be for CCP to release their full design plans for Incarna so that we could have a factual discuss and decide whether we want to see their vision of WIS or not.
i don't think that would help though. In an agile development environment (which I assume CCP is using because content is either in or out dependening on whether it gets done in time, and they can change course mid release) nothing is well planned more than a month or three in advance. I believe they likely have a broad outline of WiS with very top level content TITLES, not detailed descriptions. They may have a concept statement, but even that is pretty detailed for long-term planning in agile development (i.e., 6+ months down the road).
CCP is engaging the community, the users of their product, and taking the temperature of the content that they are providing RIGHT NOW to determine what content to expand upon in the future. Notice that the Crucible expansion represents the shift to that user-feedback-loop-driving-agile-content-development compared to the previous few releases where the model was CCP developing something that they wanted to make, and pushing it to the users to see what happened, adjusting after release as needed.
both approaches are equally effective when applied in the right customer environment. looks to me like CCP is in the former mode. we'll see how it goes. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:01:00 -
[1289] - Quote
^ That just sounds like a beta to me and i don't like the idea of paying to be a guinea pig....
I know what you are saying and i'm not suggesting that CCP run every idea by us before they do anything as they are the developers and i'm just one customer but i do want to know what i'm signed up for here.
If their development process is anything like what you described, then that could lead to an even bigger waste of resource and fill the game with half-arsed content. The CSM know what CCP had planed for incarna and it was rumored that they didn't like what they saw. I think we have a right to see those plans.
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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
248
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:13:00 -
[1290] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:You know, the more i read about this, the more confused I get...
when in actual fact the only thing fans rejected were the pricing on the NEX store and the removal of previous functionality (ship spinning).
You need to read more.... your confusion will dissipate. INCARNA was the result of a WoD beta, it did very little upon release, and many had to shut it off to save their computers because the code was horribly incomplete & rushed. But most importantly most of their resources for 3 full expansions (Read 18 months) went into the pile of crap, and caused FiS to be neglected.
If we'd been able to leave our rooms, run amok, visit brothels, shoot each other, lay tripwires with photon grenades and wait for the fireworks to ensue... THEN I think eve would've liked INCARNA. OR, if they'd given us a ROOM with a DOOR, but also gave more attention to the FiS aspect of eve at the same time, I think eve players would've been happier.
But they didn't. Most of us got a room or a door and very little else worth a crap for a year and a half. I get you want to play space-barbie, and I've no doubt one day you'll be able to, but for now ccp needs to focus on what they've neglected, and when they work again on INCARNA it needs to be slow, gradual, and 'in addition to' more traditional content releases. Save the Miners! |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:32:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:Rek Seven wrote:You know, the more i read about this, the more confused I get...
when in actual fact the only thing fans rejected were the pricing on the NEX store and the removal of previous functionality (ship spinning). You need to read more.... your confusion will dissipate. INCARNA was the result of a WoD beta, it did very little upon release, and many had to shut it off to save their computers because the code was horribly incomplete & rushed. But most importantly most of their resources for 3 full expansions (Read 18 months) went into the pile of crap, and caused FiS to be neglected. If we'd been able to leave our rooms, run amok, visit brothels, shoot each other, lay tripwires with photon grenades and wait for the fireworks to ensue... THEN I think eve would've liked INCARNA. OR, if they'd given us a ROOM with a DOOR, but also gave more attention to the FiS aspect of eve at the same time, I think eve players would've been happier. But they didn't. Most of us got a room or a door and very little else worth a crap for a year and a half. I get you want to play space-barbie, and I've no doubt one day you'll be able to, but for now ccp needs to focus on what they've neglected, and when they work again on INCARNA it needs to be slow, gradual, and 'in addition to' more traditional content releases.
Did you have a point to make there? |
Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
5
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Posted - 2011.11.25 16:38:00 -
[1292] - Quote
Ris Dnalor wrote:... and many had to shut it off to save their computers because the code was horribly incomplete & rushed.....
Because the code was bad?
L O L
You mean because losers took crapy super store special computers with only power supply cooling and stuck high end video cards in them.
The entire overheating problem was people with crappy computers and even crappier computer skills.
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Severian Carnifex
105
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:28:00 -
[1293] - Quote
Frank Truck wrote:Ris Dnalor wrote:... and many had to shut it off to save their computers because the code was horribly incomplete & rushed.....
Because the code was bad? L O L You mean because losers took crapy super store special computers with only power supply cooling and stuck high end video cards in them. The entire overheating problem was people with crappy computers and even crappier computer skills.
LOL... but you have a point there...
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Molly Molotov
Doomheim
29
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:39:00 -
[1294] - Quote
The code was poorly optimized, notice how it's gotten slightly better. The engine they used to develop WoD and test in Incarna turned out to not be able to handle many more than one character in a room at a time. This idiocy is just made worse by the fact that they had WiS partially (at least) working in 2008 which was scrapped. |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
272
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Posted - 2011.11.26 00:16:00 -
[1295] - Quote
ITT 55 pages of people whining about how they want more space ken doll dress up time |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2011.11.26 00:33:00 -
[1296] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:^ That just sounds like a beta to me and i don't like the idea of paying to be a guinea pig....
I know what you are saying and i'm not suggesting that CCP run every idea by us before they do anything as they are the developers and i'm just one customer but i do want to know what i'm signed up for here.
If their development process is anything like what you described, then that could lead to an even bigger waste of resource and fill the game with half-arsed content. The CSM know what CCP had planed for incarna and it was rumored that they didn't like what they saw. I think we have a right to see those plans.
Exactly where the game is. |
bornaa
GRiD.
107
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Posted - 2011.11.26 01:07:00 -
[1297] - Quote
nice to see that this many ppl want incarna... :) count me in... :) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.26 01:56:00 -
[1298] - Quote
Botleten wrote:ITT 55 pages of people whining about how they want more space ken doll dress up time
Troll, thanks for the bump, please respond with some snark. We need the thread to stay on the first page!
Issler |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.11.26 06:12:00 -
[1299] - Quote
I like the fixes ,a few ships and new wallpaperbackground expansion and hope they continue to fix the game the way they did. But like to see that they continue on WIS ,even with a small dev-crew
sorry for bad English I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
73
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Posted - 2011.11.26 07:11:00 -
[1300] - Quote
I desperately want WiS but only when they have it fully fleshed out and ready to go. Their little mini-expansion was a disappointment to so many people because it really didn't do much for the game. They should have simply held off and deployed the CQ's and the establishments all in one. |
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Heinel Sidewind
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
14
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Posted - 2011.11.26 07:22:00 -
[1301] - Quote
I think it'd make much more sense to have walking on planet as well for DUST release. I think it'd do a lot to bridge the two game if the two player base can visit each other's environment, maybe not so much to participate but to appreciate what the other side is doing for them. It'd bring cohesion to player collaboration and immerse people into the game universe, instead of right now where planets are little more than nodes we squeeze for fuel.
This can mitigate the ghost-town-with-nothing-to-do issue someone has raised, while also let us show off those NeX clothes (assuming they actually add real clothes into the store, and not more grey bucket tunics). I think there's definitely long term viability in this. |
yumike
Eve of Madness
53
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Posted - 2011.11.26 07:29:00 -
[1302] - Quote
Heinel Sidewind wrote:I think it'd make much more sense to have walking on planet as well for DUST release. I think it'd do a lot to bridge the two game if the two player base can visit each other's environment, maybe not so much to participate but to appreciate what the other side is doing for them. It'd bring cohesion to player collaboration and immerse people into the game universe, instead of right now where planets are little more than nodes we squeeze for fuel.
I'm amused by this prospect of dust personally, Denying enemy alliances of specific fuels, sending your guys in there with specific objectives.. Though i'm left wondering if what I think would be the main point is even possible.
Personally I think dust will probably not live long on the console environment, Not only is ps4 soon to replace ps3 (Supposedly next year, according to E3) but I won't say all, however I think the majority of people can agree that the typical console player doesn't really have the attention span past the 3 month mark. How many call of duty, medal of honor, quake, halo's do we get a year?
Two of my old roommates all they did was play console and I can't even begin to count the number of games played. Don't get me wrong, I own a PS3 too and I even played Heavenly sword when the ps3 released. Haven't played anything since mind you. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
430
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Posted - 2011.11.28 04:27:00 -
[1303] - Quote
WiS with Dust integration = a win for FiS as well.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.11.28 14:12:00 -
[1304] - Quote
Frankly anybody who says WiS was a beta for WoD is an ignorant fool. If you don't like paying to play a Beta then you better stop playing all MMO's because that's all you are really doing 100% of the time. Every single game I have played, especially EvE has been revised and changed over time until another company comes along and steals all the ideas to make their own game.
As of right now I would call WiS "swimming pools in space"...I will continue to call it that until I can run and actually make it from point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time. I want to see WiS completed but testing my patience by making me walk everywhere in the small room I have just annoys me. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
436
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:12:00 -
[1305] - Quote
Ris Dnalor wrote:You need to read more.... your confusion will dissipate. INCARNA was the result of a WoD beta, it did very little upon release, and many had to shut it off to save their computers because the code was horribly incomplete & rushed. But most importantly most of their resources for 3 full expansions (Read 18 months) went into the pile of crap, and caused FiS to be neglected. Very much this.
On most computers the CQ ate more resources than your average fast paced shooter, racing or whatever game while still having horrible shader effects in some areas. The step towards smooth player socialization would have been enormous and requiring a lot of debugging resources, which CCP doesn't have. Or wants to spend time and money on, since their WoD game - one of the reasons Incarna was finally given a go - also was planned to use that engine.
Now WoD is on hold that situation isn't that way anymore and the (internal, CCP) incentive to make WiS a lot weaker. CCP subsequently, and very conveniently, used some forum posts and protests to say "the players don't want WiS anyway, let's postpone it!!". And so Incarna is shelved for now. Till .. ?
And so it is.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:16:00 -
[1306] - Quote
Jennifer Starling wrote:Ris Dnalor wrote:You need to read more.... your confusion will dissipate. INCARNA was the result of a WoD beta, it did very little upon release, and many had to shut it off to save their computers because the code was horribly incomplete & rushed. But most importantly most of their resources for 3 full expansions (Read 18 months) went into the pile of crap, and caused FiS to be neglected. Very much this. On most computers the CQ ate more resources than your average fast paced shooter, racing or whatever game while still having horrible shader effects in some areas. The step towards smooth player socialization would have been enormous and requiring a lot of debugging resources, which CCP doesn't have. Or wants to spend time and money on, since their WoD game - one of the reasons Incarna was finally given a go - also was planned to use that engine. Now WoD is on hold that situation isn't that way anymore and the (internal, CCP) incentive to make WiS a lot weaker. CCP subsequently, and very conveniently, used some forum posts and protests to say "the players don't want WiS anyway, let's postpone it!!". And so Incarna is shelved for now. Till .. ? And so it is.
True, however burning of your components namely GPUs on desktop computers is the user fault no-one else. And the Engine in its full might proved to be very, very nice. However not intended to work for masses with sub-standart/ read normal/ computers.
Anyway release of INCARNA had nothing to do with the idea of Ambulation.
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Mekela
Vinyl Roid
78
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:15:00 -
[1307] - Quote
CCP made the decision to remake the wheel. If they had done it they would have been able to sell their avatar engine to other people. It was higher resolution than anything anyone has out there right now. They failed and with it have screwed themselves over badly
What should have been done. Use an already established avatar engine (see unreal) Worked on their new engine and not make their established game the guinea pig for the new engine.
Secondly - The Nex problem, Nex should have never been done this way. Free to Play games are a genre that will stick around but in no way will the replace subscription games, FTP games are for subscription games that failed and need a re-boot or are originally designed to be FTP neither suited Eve online.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:53:00 -
[1308] - Quote
Mekela wrote:CCP made the decision to remake the wheel. If they had done it they would have been able to sell their avatar engine to other people. It was higher resolution than anything anyone has out there right now. They failed and with it have screwed themselves over badly
What should have been done. Use an already established avatar engine (see unreal) Worked on their new engine and not make their established game the guinea pig for the new engine.
Secondly - The Nex problem, Nex should have never been done this way. Free to Play games are a genre that will stick around but in no way will the replace subscription games, FTP games are for subscription games that failed and need a re-boot or are originally designed to be FTP neither suited Eve online.
I think you nailed all the key points.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
275
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Posted - 2011.11.30 10:38:00 -
[1309] - Quote
I turned on CQ (tried it once before and turned off), and well, it's actually very cool.
My purpose-built trade alts spin nicely
Anyway, looking forward to more features! |
Grukni
Shimai of New Eden
47
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:00:00 -
[1310] - Quote
Roime wrote:I turned on CQ (tried it once before and turned off), and well, it's actually very cool. My purpose-built trade alts spin nicely Anyway, looking forward to more features!
While the stations get decontaminated, what about collectable items in CQs? I want to fill my CQ full of trash like a Head-In-A-Jar |
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Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
28
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:20:00 -
[1311] - Quote
Before CCP even spends another dime on WiS, a majority of us agree that the following needs to be fixed:
1.) Greater incentive to live in 0.0 and hold Sov there 2.) Fix lowsec, ffs. Besides roams, there's hardly any reason to be there. The fact that lowsec is mostly empty should be a clear sign of that. 3.) Make highsec Incursions less profitable so more people are enticed to try 0.0 once you complete problem #1 4.) Fix at least 70% of all the things on the "Sucking Chest Wounds" and "Papercuts" list 5.) Make a more intuitive UI that doesn't wear out my mouse every 3 months and totally scare off new players to the game. 6.) Fix POS's, please! They need a total redesign beyond just fuel blocks. 7.) Make more T2 BPO's available to those who didn't get lucky in the first lottery. Price and production competition is good! 8.) Rebalance distribution of tech moons.
Then, and only then, should you even fathom working on WiS again. Post with your main or GTFO! |
Cozmik R5
Dock 94
136
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:32:00 -
[1312] - Quote
EVE Online is about Internet Spaceships, and Internet Spaceships is Serious Business.
Want to walk around? There are literally THOUSANDS of MMOs that cater to your needs. Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
275
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:33:00 -
[1313] - Quote
Nope, majority of us doesn't agree, that is just your list.
Also, in the last patch CCP delivered both FiS and WiS.
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Grukni
Shimai of New Eden
47
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:34:00 -
[1314] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Before CCP even spends another dime on WiS, a majority of us agree that the following needs to be fixed:
1.) Greater incentive to live in 0.0 and hold Sov there 2.) Fix lowsec, ffs. Besides roams, there's hardly any reason to be there. The fact that lowsec is mostly empty should be a clear sign of that. 3.) Make highsec Incursions less profitable so more people are enticed to try 0.0 once you complete problem #1 4.) Fix at least 70% of all the things on the "Sucking Chest Wounds" and "Papercuts" list 5.) Make a more intuitive UI that doesn't wear out my mouse every 3 months and totally scare off new players to the game. 6.) Fix POS's, please! They need a total redesign beyond just fuel blocks. 7.) Make more T2 BPO's available to those who didn't get lucky in the first lottery. Price and production competition is good! 8.) Rebalance distribution of tech moons.
Then, and only then, should you even fathom working on WiS again.
I would say, give a boost to PVP with new and renewed mechanics to make it fun again for vets. After that, give WiS a chance again. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:21:00 -
[1315] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Before CCP even spends another dime on WiS, a majority of us agree that the following needs to be fixed:
1.) Greater incentive to live in 0.0 and hold Sov there 2.) Fix lowsec, ffs. Besides roams, there's hardly any reason to be there. The fact that lowsec is mostly empty should be a clear sign of that. 3.) Make highsec Incursions less profitable so more people are enticed to try 0.0 once you complete problem #1 4.) Fix at least 70% of all the things on the "Sucking Chest Wounds" and "Papercuts" list 5.) Make a more intuitive UI that doesn't wear out my mouse every 3 months and totally scare off new players to the game. 6.) Fix POS's, please! They need a total redesign beyond just fuel blocks. 7.) Make more T2 BPO's available to those who didn't get lucky in the first lottery. Price and production competition is good! 8.) Rebalance distribution of tech moons.
Then, and only then, should you even fathom working on WiS again.
I think you'll have to prove your sampling method before I'd believe that list.
For example I bet I could find more players that would rather have a big mining improvement than care about half of the stuff on your list and I know there are more folks that want WiS than care about high sec incursions.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:23:00 -
[1316] - Quote
Roime wrote:Nope, majority of us doesn't agree, that is just your list.
Also, in the last patch CCP delivered both FiS and WiS.
Sadly WiS that was almost completed alread as part of the last expansion and largely already finished. Likely to be the last WiS content other than lame NeX clothes for a long long long long long long long time.
Issler |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
78
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:42:00 -
[1317] - Quote
I would only want WIS to be implemented further if CCP has the ability to do it in this manner: 1.) war dec targets are killable while WIS (Eve is not safe even walking about in a high sec station) 2.) give me a purpose to walking about in the station. i do want to play poker, drink quafe, get in bar fights, walk out on my dancer tab and get chased by concord npcs. I'd like to be able to run from those NPC's (or any faction NPC's i have irritated) all the way back to my POD, click on my POD at the Deck and choose board ship (to load hangar) then undock to GTFO. 3.) give us the same weapons that Dust will have for our avatars in EVE. Better yet, allow me to take a timed shuttle from the station to a planet where a battle is taking place. Before I leave, allow me to choose a side via a terminal in the Planetary Staging Office (the room shown in DUST's trailer with the strategic map). 4.) all me to use said strategic map to allocate resources to the battlefield and create strategic drop zones for my soldiers and equipment/vehicles. I'd also like to see the ability to assign objectives from this strategic map. 5.) give me FPS Dust for my PC / fine if you do it for PS3 but look at the difference between the graphics, size of battlefields, performance quality and team size variances between the PS3/PC version of Battlefield 3. ( I have both versions and it is easier to see why DUST should be PC exclusive) also you have to deal with all the Playstation Network policies and regulations/requirements because of THEIR network limitations. 6.) If you want to make history in the MMORPG world, be the 1st sci-fi MMORPG to take combat to and from space to planet/battlefield seamlessly without loading screens. Seamless transition from Space to Planet.
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Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
941
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:03:00 -
[1318] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:I would only want WIS to be implemented further if CCP has the ability to do it in this manner: 1.) war dec targets are killable while WIS (Eve is not safe even walking about in a high sec station) 2.) give me a purpose to walking about in the station. i do want to play poker, drink quafe, get in bar fights, walk out on my dancer tab and get chased by concord npcs. I'd like to be able to run from those NPC's (or any faction NPC's i have irritated) all the way back to my POD, click on my POD at the Deck and choose board ship (to load hangar) then undock to GTFO. 3.) give us the same weapons that Dust will have for our avatars in EVE. Better yet, allow me to take a timed shuttle from the station to a planet where a battle is taking place. Before I leave, allow me to choose a side via a terminal in the Planetary Staging Office (the room shown in DUST's trailer with the strategic map). 4.) all me to use said strategic map to allocate resources to the battlefield and create strategic drop zones for my soldiers and equipment/vehicles. I'd also like to see the ability to assign objectives from this strategic map. 5.) give me FPS Dust for my PC / fine if you do it for PS3 but look at the difference between the graphics, size of battlefields, performance quality and team size variances between the PS3/PC version of Battlefield 3. ( I have both versions and it is easier to see why DUST should be PC exclusive) also you have to deal with all the Playstation Network policies and regulations/requirements because of THEIR network limitations. 6.) If you want to make history in the MMORPG world, be the 1st sci-fi MMORPG to take combat to and from space to planet/battlefield seamlessly without loading screens. Seamless transition from Space to Planet.
ad 1. very unlikely that the nsc corporations that own the station will allow gunwielding maniacs to go havoc within their facility. I could imagine a good bar fight, though, just breaking the nose of the guy that just blew you up would be great. For real FPS combat action there would have to be neutral battlegrounds like derelict starbases etc.
ad 2. yes. I like the part with the "running away from NPCS"... i liked the part with the "running" the most
ad 3. no. basically you are asking CCP to give you Dust for free because you play Eve. You could also ask Blizzard to implement Diablo 3 into Wow and make it free for all WoW subscribers. Ain't gonna happen.
ad 4. ---see 3
ad 5--see 4
ad 6-- see 5, also this would just overburden most of our computers. edit: and CCP did already write MMO history, so there is no need to push much further now. -.- |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
150
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Posted - 2011.12.01 12:44:00 -
[1319] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
True, however burning of your components namely GPUs on desktop computers is the user fault no-one else. And the Engine in its full might proved to be very, very nice. However not intended to work for masses with sub-standart/ read normal/ computers.
Er, no. Not in the least.
if the game requirement meets the specs of the machine then the game shouldn't set the machine on fire. It is not, not in a million years, the fault of the user.
If the software is likely to destroy the machine then it shouldn't run.
But your last part is telling. A normal machine, a machine of the masses. In other words for the majoority of EVE players they may as well stop now and biomass their characters.
I hope that you don't work for CCP's marketing division.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
465
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:36:00 -
[1320] - Quote
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I want walking in stations so bad : ( |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.04 07:20:00 -
[1321] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I want walking in stations so bad : (
I think it is still coming. I just wish CCP would update us on their plans for it. I mean is it going to be another 2 years? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2011.12.04 07:37:00 -
[1322] - Quote
Final point to say; a lot want it, a lot dont. They should figure out which is larger and go with that, but being that my account runs out today, I wont be commenting again lol Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.04 09:29:00 -
[1323] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Final point to say; a lot want it, a lot dont. They should figure out which is larger and go with that, but being that my account runs out today, I wont be commenting again lol
Nobody is entitled to curtail somebody else's rights when those rights don't affect his own rights.
So as long as WiS doesn't harms anyone else, then there is no reason to not give WiS to those who want it.
And in case you think "the effort in WiS meant FiS was abandoned", just read CCP Manifest's interview where you can read between the lines what has happen: it's been the 18 months. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
85
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Posted - 2011.12.04 10:48:00 -
[1324] - Quote
Focus on getting the flying in space part right. If time permits, finish WiS.
Thing is that CCP needs to learn how to make decisions though. The reason many features (like WiS) get drawn out so much isn't that CCP wants to release "when it's done" but because they can't decide on the final designs. Few people in the company know how to break the ice and make a decision final. |
Mai Khumm
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
181
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Posted - 2011.12.04 10:58:00 -
[1325] - Quote
If you really want WIS so bad for of the furturistic look and/or feel of.....walking on a spacestation in space. Then go and play Phantasy Star. That has plenty of it. And it only gets slightly less boring when you're playing it online... "Being drunk is a good disguise. I drink so I can talk to a**holes. This includes me." |
oldbutfeelingyoung
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Posted - 2011.12.04 11:03:00 -
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Daemon Ceed wrote:Before CCP even spends another dime on WiS, a majority of us agree that the following needs to be fixed:
1.) Greater incentive to live in 0.0 and hold Sov there 2.) Fix lowsec, ffs. Besides roams, there's hardly any reason to be there. The fact that lowsec is mostly empty should be a clear sign of that. 3.) Make highsec Incursions less profitable so more people are enticed to try 0.0 once you complete problem #1 4.) Fix at least 70% of all the things on the "Sucking Chest Wounds" and "Papercuts" list 5.) Make a more intuitive UI that doesn't wear out my mouse every 3 months and totally scare off new players to the game. 6.) Fix POS's, please! They need a total redesign beyond just fuel blocks. 7.) Make more T2 BPO's available to those who didn't get lucky in the first lottery. Price and production competition is good! 8.) Rebalance distribution of tech moons.
Then, and only then, should you even fathom working on WiS again.
Well you got a your patch they call an expansion already,so have patience for the rest All what wislovers ask is a small team back into WIS . CCP stated that the latest expansion was done in six weeks ,although i still don,t believe that So for the next 6 months they can come up with a lot of solutions for the only FISwhiners enough to have a team back to WIS
I love what they done so far with FIS,but like to see WIS picked up again,even if its with a small team
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Grukni
Shimai of New Eden
47
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Posted - 2011.12.04 11:26:00 -
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Quote: CCP stated that the latest expansion was done in six weeks ,although i still don,t believe that
It may be true for some features and to put together all the features on which they had been previously working. Things like nebulaes, warp tunnel and engine trails work comes from further back.
As WoD development continues, at a lower pace, though, I believe CCP will take up WiS again sometime in the future (my bets are that it won't happen before DUST is released) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3133
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Posted - 2011.12.04 11:29:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: All what wislovers ask is a small team back into WIS .
What makes you think that there isn't a WiS team?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Cadela Fria
x13 Raiden.
6
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Posted - 2011.12.04 11:52:00 -
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Call me an over-sentimental, nostalgic dork, but I see this as a difference of attitude. What do I mean? Let me explain very briefly:
I've played this game passionately since 2004 (on a break right now though), so please consider what I am about to say in that time-frame. It used to be that the various total online count-Milestones, testing scenarios on SiSi, debates about technologies, suggestions for improvements and expansions and so on, were something we accomplished together..by together, I mean CCP and us. We'd accomplish these things different obstacles and milestones by working together and being equally excited on each other's behalf when we achieved something new. We actually used to work together to some extent. Maybe not necessarily in any focused way, but there was somewhat a sense of cohesion and a sense of "facing down the MMO world together as something to be conquered ,or fought against for our piece of land that was mostly controlled by WoW and games like it". We wanted to be different and show that we were powerful in our own right in that respect.
This brought us really far and got us one victory after the other. Victories I can't blame Hilmar for feeling good about, perhaps even smug and entitled because we really did a good job. However that is only excusable up until the moment you start forgetting how and why you got there. See it wasn't "you", it was "us". EVE belongs to us, the players and the people involved in making it collectively, and that used to be the mantra of CCP. Somewhere along that line, someone forgot that whole thing and it has permeated the development and direction of the whole thing ever since.
What has all this got to do with WiS? Simple - I contend that if that mantra hadn't been forgotten and if we had kept that cohesion by means of hearing each other out (not just CCP hearing us out, but us hearing them out..takes two people to have a conversation after all) and reasonably factoring in the various points either party has, we wouldn't be in this big a mess. Sure there is still input from players that makes it to the game, and CCP still communicates somewhat - I don't deny that at all..but there is something wrong with it isn't there? Something about the whole thing is tainted, or "not as it used to be". Things change over time, we all know that and it should, otherwise things will grow stale....But not like this. Its hard to explain, but something just isn't right about the whole thing.
Many have raged, whined, complained (ponies have explained the difference between whining and complaining, remember that!), pleaded and even quit in protest of what has happened along the way. I would say a large chunk of that is justified, I mean sure you get the average forum trolling warrior who deliberately sets himself/herself and others up to hate on CCP. I don't just mean yell loudly, but genuinely hate on CCP because these kind of people (not CCP, the other bunch I was talking about) are irrational, trolling, conspiratorial, over-critical, self-important fruitcakes. However, considering the complaints, outrage and demonstrations and so forth WITHOUT the aforementioned group, I would say it was and still is the duty of CCP to do what they used to do, and that is to talk to us openly. I know PR is a harsh mistress within CCP and you have to be very careful about what you do and say in public or you'll be lynched, and sure I could even see the reason for that within the context of any standard high-end business..but here is what some may have forgotten. This is EVE and CCP - The charm and selling point of much of this, is its openness ..the willingness to challenge the status quo and for once be human and collaborative with your customers.
Sure, disagreements will happen - Violent disagreements even, they always do, even if you don't talk, so what do you have to lose? Are you really going to say that because it takes effort and a lot of mudslinging, mud-dodging, various ninja moves(!!!) and so forth - to get to that conversation/message, it isn't worth it for what is actually in there? Which is a genuine concern for the state of- and progression of this great game that has taken, at least me, this far and probably beyond...Isn't that worth listening to even if it takes stamina to get to it. I say it is and I also say that you (CCP) have no right to betray that mantra you originally created, but thats my opinion.
Do I say we wouldn't be in any mess at all? No, I can't say that for sure..but I'm fairly confident that we'd be standing somewhere much more vibrant, productive and constructive at this point.
There, thats what I think..or as they say, my 2 cents. Take it over leave it.
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Captain Mastiff
18
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Posted - 2011.12.04 12:33:00 -
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I would like to see full scale Incarna, I was bitterly disappointed when the expansion "Incarna" was nothing more than a virtual good store with horrifically over priced items along with the forcing us to look at a door image or sit watching our graphics cards cook. As well as some nerfs here and there to make it complete. It offered no content at the expense of a few GB.
Rash decisions were made to axe things and the general player base was completely ignored, perhaps they've changed their ways? Though it doesn't mean Incarna needs to be scrapped, I have waited years for it. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:03:00 -
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Grukni wrote:Quote: CCP stated that the latest expansion was done in six weeks ,although i still don,t believe that
It may be true for some features and to put together all the features on which they had been previously working. Things like nebulaes, warp tunnel and engine trails work comes from further back. As WoD development continues, at a lower pace, though, I believe CCP will take up WiS again sometime in the future (my bets are that it won't happen before DUST is released)
Yes i think you are right on that ,but ccp is wanting to believe us that all this work in their latest expansion/patch is done in 6 weeks. just to say they care about what we want ,do or say
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:08:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: All what wislovers ask is a small team back into WIS .
What makes you think that there isn't a WiS team?
maybe a blog from a very important person from CCP?
But the only real persons answer the question if WIS is really put back to a DUSTy self,is CCP itself. But i don,t think CCP will answer this thread about this one I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
108
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:20:00 -
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I'd like to see the development of WiS as well and in light of Crucible I might also suggest that they step away from out dated rule sets in EVE and make it a paid/ Optional expansion. For those of us that think Ambulation will improve EVE, $25 for the add on, for those that like EVE space only, don't buy it. Use projected expack revenue to determine development budget guidelines.
I know CCP said no paid expacks but you have been wrong before CCP and crucible was about that. Things change, adapt or die. |
Jarnis McPieksu
364
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:25:00 -
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WiS is fine if it has some gameplay.
WiS as we have now is a bad excuse for microtransactions with zero gameplay. Hence people burned CCP at the stake.
Take the time to design compelling, interesting avatar-based gameplay (that also runs on people's crappy PCs). As the current avatars are fairly "high end", I wouldn't be too surprised if CCP just takes 1-2 years and waits for people to upgrade to more modern systems before going for more (=multiplayer) WiS with actual gameplay elements.
I mean, take 10 avatars like they are now and stick them into a room and watch current low end GPUs melt trying to render them...
I know my GPU can handle it, but I also know a lot of people play EVE on computers that are so old they could be stolen from a museum...
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:25:00 -
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Ocih wrote:I'd like to see the development of WiS as well and in light of Crucible I might also suggest that they step away from out dated rule sets in EVE and make it a paid/ Optional expansion. For those of us that think Ambulation will improve EVE, $25 for the add on, for those that like EVE space only, don't buy it. Use projected expack revenue to determine development budget guidelines.
I know CCP said no paid expacks but you have been wrong before CCP and crucible was about that. Things change, adapt or die.
so we pay extra on the fail project called world of darkness sorry but if CCP implemented WIS as they promised a while ago they didn,t have to cut off their workforce by 20% but increase it by 20% I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
108
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:32:00 -
[1336] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ocih wrote:I'd like to see the development of WiS as well and in light of Crucible I might also suggest that they step away from out dated rule sets in EVE and make it a paid/ Optional expansion. For those of us that think Ambulation will improve EVE, $25 for the add on, for those that like EVE space only, don't buy it. Use projected expack revenue to determine development budget guidelines.
I know CCP said no paid expacks but you have been wrong before CCP and crucible was about that. Things change, adapt or die. so we pay extra on the fail project called world of darkness sorry but if CCP implemented WIS as they promised a while ago they didn,t have to cut off their workforce by 20% but increase it by 20%
Assume and presume
CCP went through debt restructuring. I'm sure that had more to do with thier workforce than our little display in Jita, shooting memorials. If the development of optional content allows CCP to put a WoD egg in thier basket, I don't care. If I decide I do care, I don't buy the add on. You have it, I don't? oh well.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:44:00 -
[1337] - Quote
Ocih wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ocih wrote:I'd like to see the development of WiS as well and in light of Crucible I might also suggest that they step away from out dated rule sets in EVE and make it a paid/ Optional expansion. For those of us that think Ambulation will improve EVE, $25 for the add on, for those that like EVE space only, don't buy it. Use projected expack revenue to determine development budget guidelines.
I know CCP said no paid expacks but you have been wrong before CCP and crucible was about that. Things change, adapt or die. so we pay extra on the fail project called world of darkness sorry but if CCP implemented WIS as they promised a while ago they didn,t have to cut off their workforce by 20% but increase it by 20% Assume and presume CCP went through debt restructuring. I'm sure that had more to do with thier workforce than our little display in Jita, shooting memorials. If the development of optional content allows CCP to put a WoD egg in thier basket, I don't care. If I decide I do care, I don't buy the add on. You have it, I don't? oh well.
Ok you got a point! so every real expansion on Eve will cost us money,looking forward to this I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:52:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ocih wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ocih wrote:I'd like to see the development of WiS as well and in light of Crucible I might also suggest that they step away from out dated rule sets in EVE and make it a paid/ Optional expansion. For those of us that think Ambulation will improve EVE, $25 for the add on, for those that like EVE space only, don't buy it. Use projected expack revenue to determine development budget guidelines.
I know CCP said no paid expacks but you have been wrong before CCP and crucible was about that. Things change, adapt or die. so we pay extra on the fail project called world of darkness sorry but if CCP implemented WIS as they promised a while ago they didn,t have to cut off their workforce by 20% but increase it by 20% Assume and presume CCP went through debt restructuring. I'm sure that had more to do with thier workforce than our little display in Jita, shooting memorials. If the development of optional content allows CCP to put a WoD egg in thier basket, I don't care. If I decide I do care, I don't buy the add on. You have it, I don't? oh well. Ok you got a point! so every real expansion on Eve will cost us money,looking forward to this
Ok latest expansion was nothing more but a big patch,but we did get :
enginetrails a new walpaperbackgroundf a few new ships able to oneclick loot from wrecks or containers
so we pay more ???? right??
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
108
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Posted - 2011.12.04 15:14:00 -
[1339] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ocih wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ocih wrote:I'd like to see the development of WiS as well and in light of Crucible I might also suggest that they step away from out dated rule sets in EVE and make it a paid/ Optional expansion. For those of us that think Ambulation will improve EVE, $25 for the add on, for those that like EVE space only, don't buy it. Use projected expack revenue to determine development budget guidelines.
I know CCP said no paid expacks but you have been wrong before CCP and crucible was about that. Things change, adapt or die. so we pay extra on the fail project called world of darkness sorry but if CCP implemented WIS as they promised a while ago they didn,t have to cut off their workforce by 20% but increase it by 20% Assume and presume CCP went through debt restructuring. I'm sure that had more to do with thier workforce than our little display in Jita, shooting memorials. If the development of optional content allows CCP to put a WoD egg in thier basket, I don't care. If I decide I do care, I don't buy the add on. You have it, I don't? oh well. Ok you got a point! so every real expansion on Eve will cost us money,looking forward to this Ok latest expansion was nothing more but a big patch,but we did get : enginetrails a new walpaperbackgroundf a few new ships able to oneclick loot from wrecks or containers so we pay more ???? right??
Right????????????
No actually. And nobody said any such thing. You need the content in Crucible to play EVE. It was a content patch. You don't need Incarna to play EVE. You can spin ships and dock and undock and be a happy little space pirate.
I have faith in the ability of CCP to create a new division and to allocate a budget to that division based on its demand. EVE subs pay for EVE development in an EVE as we know it now state. EVE paid expansions pay for additional EVE and it develops based on demand. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team The Irukandji
347
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Posted - 2011.12.04 15:55:00 -
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Xoria Krint wrote:The people that want WiS more then FiS don't understand what Eve is about.. All off them are just new players that want Eve to become Sims Online. Don't listen to them, they are the devil.
You're a moron. Nana-nana-boo-boo.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
791
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:24:00 -
[1341] - Quote
WiS does not have to mean "no FiS". I want FiS and WiS. CCP can deliver both, and I want to know if they still intend to. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Trotula
19
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:49:00 -
[1342] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:WiS does not have to mean "no FiS". I want FiS and WiS. CCP can deliver both, and I want to know if they still intend to.
Where you even here for the expansion before Crucible? It's obvious that CCP can NOT deliver both, that is what they tried and failed at miserably. |
Daelorn
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:05:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:I think most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented.
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Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
76
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:11:00 -
[1344] - Quote
the dream is to integrate all aspects of a game world. CCP wants the ship combat, foot combat (WiS), toss in tank warfare or atmospheric dogfighting and even massed infantry. It sounds great, but probably best developed as individual games using the same gameworld backstory. The way the old paper and dice Mechwarrior game connected to the board game (yeah, I'm freaking OLD) Battlemech (or was it Tech? with age comes the mad cow) I'm all for that kind of immersion, but right now, with current limitations, it's not good for either game (FiS or WiS) to force them into a single game. It's very much robbing from peter to pay paul and either the WiS is weak because the FiS is the focus, or vice-versa. It's especially hard with Eve, because this game is gorgeous. It's a resource hog as a result (not complaining, it's so worth it IMO) and trying to piggyback WiS in has not done justice to it.
People who really want WiS should be asking CCP to develop a standalone game (within Eve canon) that will tax resources that much on it's own.
I'm not for or against a WiS game experience, but the Eve experience is FiS and it's a legitimate complaint that any development in the FiS game that isn't FiS, is a step in the wrong direction. It's also not a slam to say that as is- the WiS in Eve is flatly useless until they have a combat mechanic for it. Right now it's little more than a slow ugly replacement for buttons on the side of the screen. No one should have hated Incarna more than fans of WiS, because you got ugly models and little more than barbie clothes to put on it. Until it's a worthwhile as a standalone game, it's just going to be a distraction and resource thief in the FiS game, Eve. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:36:00 -
[1345] - Quote
Alaric Faelen wrote:the dream is to integrate all aspects of a game world. CCP wants the ship combat, foot combat (WiS), toss in tank warfare or atmospheric dogfighting and even massed infantry. It sounds great, but probably best developed as individual games using the same gameworld backstory. The way the old paper and dice Mechwarrior game connected to the board game (yeah, I'm freaking OLD) Battlemech (or was it Tech? with age comes the mad cow) I'm all for that kind of immersion, but right now, with current limitations, it's not good for either game (FiS or WiS) to force them into a single game. It's very much robbing from peter to pay paul and either the WiS is weak because the FiS is the focus, or vice-versa. It's especially hard with Eve, because this game is gorgeous. It's a resource hog as a result (not complaining, it's so worth it IMO) and trying to piggyback WiS in has not done justice to it.
People who really want WiS should be asking CCP to develop a standalone game (within Eve canon) that will tax resources that much on it's own.
I'm not for or against a WiS game experience, but the Eve experience is FiS and it's a legitimate complaint that any development in the FiS game that isn't FiS, is a step in the wrong direction. It's also not a slam to say that as is- the WiS in Eve is flatly useless until they have a combat mechanic for it. Right now it's little more than a slow ugly replacement for buttons on the side of the screen. No one should have hated Incarna more than fans of WiS, because you got ugly models and little more than barbie clothes to put on it. Until it's a worthwhile as a standalone game, it's just going to be a distraction and resource thief in the FiS game, Eve.
I know you are trying to be fair to all parties, but that's a pretty subjective opinion.
Now that we have seen a little more of the art assets created for FIS most would consider it far from ugly, and their character creator (while a little rough around the edges) has gotten high marks in the gaming industry.
CCP has developed non FIS content in every expansion they have put out. There has always been a ton of content in EVE that has no aspect that is done purely in space. People have characters that literally never undock as it stands now. The only difference is that those activities (or more specifically new types of activities) will have something beyond spreadsheets to work with as an interface.
Personally I have no problem with that, as long as the content makes sense and ENHANCES the FIS experience as well... and a REASONABLE amount of Dev resources are devoted to it.
If you really want to get snarky about it, there really isn't anything about FIS content that couldn't be reduced to a spreadsheet game if they chose to, and none of us would be happy about that now would we? So why are we content to allow in station activities to be limited to that? Those activities are just as much a part of EVE as the FIS activities are.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.04 18:20:00 -
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I somehow expect that this thread is being watched as to tell what players say on the issue... we can't count on the CSM to push these concerns forward, they are very busy with nullsec whiners. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.04 23:14:00 -
[1347] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I somehow expect that this thread is being watched as to tell what players say on the issue... we can't count on the CSM to push these concerns forward, they are very busy with nullsec whiners.
Maybe being watched,but sadly ignored ,bc we know that CCP only reacts on topics where the community is happy .
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
44
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Posted - 2011.12.04 23:53:00 -
[1348] - Quote
WiS will be very popular as soon as player interactive aspects are implemented. Having a full body character preview was the first step in the right direction. Now other players can at least see how you dressed up your space barbie. Thats cool. I for one love it and hope all the cool announced features will come out sometime soon.
WiS is a whole new level. Playing Sims in Eve will bring lots of new players, its cool! :) |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.05 00:54:00 -
[1349] - Quote
Zevina wrote:WiS will be very popular as soon as player interactive aspects are implemented. Having a full body character preview was the first step in the right direction. Now other players can at least see how you dressed up your space barbie. Thats cool. I for one love it and hope all the cool announced features will come out sometime soon.
WiS is a whole new level. Playing Sims in Eve will bring lots of new players, its cool! :)
I agree.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:48:00 -
[1350] - Quote
Hi everyone
I've started a thread in features and ideas so we can direct peoples passion for seeing Incarna realise it's potential as a fun and compelling addition to EVE.
Please check it out and add any ideas of your own https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42247&find=unread I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Aine Morchet
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:33:00 -
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Some feedback from a new player: not having been around for any of the launch issues, this walking in space stuff has been a totally positive experience for me and I can see a lot of potential. I love spaceships, but having this neat avatar and very good avatar creation has really helped sell me on the game. |
Cadela Fria
x13 Raiden.
6
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Posted - 2011.12.05 17:48:00 -
[1352] - Quote
I am actually very much with the people who want WiS (not just because I'm a RP'er by heart..but that certainly helps), but want less Nex store stuff. I'm sorry to say that I think the Nex store in its entirety is a mistake, however even if CCP wanted to they couldn't reverse it now. EVE has worked really well on a player driven market, and as the original talks went ( I believe ), the idea was that in WiS, players would craft clothing, drugs, alcohol, electronics and upgrades for quarters/venues, train/employ bodyguards/guards and so on and so on..much more to put on that list than I mentioned...Now that talk somehow turned into NeX and I'm very disappointed by that. If you really truly wanted to have NeX, do it with really pirate factions ..all of it...drugs, clothing etc etc...But the way it is now? Yeah I think that was a great big mistake. |
Adamonus
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.12.05 19:36:00 -
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OPEN UP THE GATES !! OPEN UP THE GATES!!!
Want WIS - together, NOW! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.05 19:37:00 -
[1354] - Quote
Come on CCP! It's time you respond to this thread!!
Issler |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
144
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Posted - 2011.12.05 19:39:00 -
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I think if they get it right it could be good for the game because it would bring more fresh blood. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.05 23:03:00 -
[1356] - Quote
Come on CCP, a response please!
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Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
316
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Posted - 2011.12.05 23:13:00 -
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**decides that writing a long winded post on the 40 some page would be pointless**
yes, WiS is important and should get some love. MMO's are social games after-all. But I agree that some focus does need to keep the core spaceships going pew pew balanced and fair. So come on CCP and do what everyone wants, an impossible feat of balance which makes everyone happy. So help me if you don't ill rage about how I will quit! then watch some MLP and settle down and go back to flying ships and going pew pew. |
Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
29
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Posted - 2011.12.05 23:17:00 -
[1358] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Zevina wrote:WiS will be very popular as soon as player interactive aspects are implemented. Having a full body character preview was the first step in the right direction. Now other players can at least see how you dressed up your space barbie. Thats cool. I for one love it and hope all the cool announced features will come out sometime soon.
WiS is a whole new level. Playing Sims in Eve will bring lots of new players, its cool! :) I agree.
No it will bring a lot of trials that will just disappear it is all fluff and unimportant fluff.
No matter how bad the original UI was the CQ UI is even worse. It will bring nothing new to the game.
Might get interested on few things but only for the oh ok cool 2 weeks period and then most people will turn it off.
So millions wasted on development for 14 day trial spike YEYYYY.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:50:00 -
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Niko Takahashi wrote:Flamespar wrote:Zevina wrote:WiS will be very popular as soon as player interactive aspects are implemented. Having a full body character preview was the first step in the right direction. Now other players can at least see how you dressed up your space barbie. Thats cool. I for one love it and hope all the cool announced features will come out sometime soon.
WiS is a whole new level. Playing Sims in Eve will bring lots of new players, its cool! :) I agree. No it will bring a lot of trials that will just disappear it is all fluff and unimportant fluff. No matter how bad the original UI was the CQ UI is even worse. It will bring nothing new to the game. Might get interested on few things but only for the oh ok cool 2 weeks period and then most people will turn it off. So millions wasted on development for 14 day trial spike YEYYYY.
You can have no way of knowing that until we see what they would roll out next. Like it or not a fair amount of time in many Eve pilots lives are spent docked. I mean they even brought back the ship spinner!! So something to occupy your time in a more engaging fashion will make Eve better.
Even if a large percentage of folks leave after giving Eve a try because they hear there is a new experience that still means some folks stay. Nothing about a FiS only focus will get Eve out of nitch game status.
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Sydron Knight
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.12.06 02:50:00 -
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I have longed for WIS since 2008, a game of vast possibilities and choices. The most compelling thing Eve was to me when I started playing was the ability to do whatever I wanted. Whether it be mining asteroids in the cold dark space, preying upon the helpless for their goods, researching blue prints, or crunching numbers on the market, and thatGÇÖs is just part of it. Eve isnGÇÖt just a FIS game, itGÇÖs more than that. There is NO other game like it. Eve is vast, and WIS is a major step in the right direction. |
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Mallak Azaria
Dominus Nex Angelus
71
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Posted - 2011.12.06 02:54:00 -
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I had looked forward to WiS for ages. Then we got CQ & it sucked. 3 years to produce a crappy product. Maybe my great-grandchildren will still be alive to see the implementation of WiS as promissed. I am no longer interested. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
465
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Posted - 2011.12.06 03:14:00 -
[1362] - Quote
While I allready said I want WiS i eve more than other. Well other than maybe the neo neocom.
The fact is, WiS needs to be put on the backburner until all abandoned Content has not been abandoned anymore.
ESPECIALLY planetary interaction. With dust having a February release date, If PI doesn't get the attention it deserves Dust 514 will have no one in eve interested, because no one wants to fight over mining on planets in space.
We need populations control. We need limited space on each planet. We need schools and military complexes. We need a real planetary sim game, and we need it within the next 3 months or DUST 514 is going to fail hardcore.
Without limited space on each planet who the hell is going to fight over land, when it's not in limited supply. There is literally so many planets in eve, that there is no way every planet could be taken up. And if it's fun enough PI with limited space per planets could get people to spread out a bit.
Even if only 40 spots were on every planet, there are still 4-8 planets per system. Which means each system could support anywhere from 160-320 players.
Without some kinda of real PI experience like we saw at fanfest, Dust has no chance : ( |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.06 20:59:00 -
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Come on CCP, an answer please!!!
Keeping the thread alive till we get a CCP response! |
Bayushi Tamago
Tribuo Quod Victum The AirShip Pirates
29
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Posted - 2011.12.06 21:11:00 -
[1364] - Quote
If they hadn't bolloxed it up so badly, people wouldn't be complaining as much. As it is, however, the approach of 'Let's use Eve as a testing bed for a game going into an oversaturated market' + intro of MT + major letdown of what was promised vs given to us left a bad taste in a lot of players' mouths.
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Tammy Triscuit
5
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Posted - 2011.12.06 21:11:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:While I allready said I want WiS i eve more than other. Well other than maybe the neo neocom.
The fact is, WiS needs to be put on the backburner until all abandoned Content has not been abandoned anymore.
ESPECIALLY planetary interaction. With dust having a February release date, If PI doesn't get the attention it deserves Dust 514 will have no one in eve interested, because no one wants to fight over mining on planets in space.
We need populations control. We need limited space on each planet. We need schools and military complexes. We need a real planetary sim game, and we need it within the next 3 months or DUST 514 is going to fail hardcore.
Without limited space on each planet who the hell is going to fight over land, when it's not in limited supply. There is literally so many planets in eve, that there is no way every planet could be taken up. And if it's fun enough PI with limited space per planets could get people to spread out a bit.
Even if only 40 spots were on every planet, there are still 4-8 planets per system. Which means each system could support anywhere from 160-320 players.
Without some kinda of real PI experience like we saw at fanfest, Dust has no chance : (
It's not going to happen, CCP is going to have Dust stand on it's own merits as an FPS. They aren't counting so much on EVE players using Dust. I think they're going to market it as a cheap or free? Console download with free updates to people who don't necessarily play EVE, telling them they are effecting this huge space universe (lie to them) and hopefully bring new younger customers to EVE. I don't think most EVE players own a console, though I think the eve-radio channel viewers probably do.
That's just my guess. But the end result is that we will not get a planet sim, mark that down as another CCP pipe dream much like establishments were. Even though they'd probably like to and it would be great. They aren't capable of it.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.07 03:00:00 -
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Zevina wrote:WiS will be very popular as soon as player interactive aspects are implemented. Having a full body character preview was the first step in the right direction. Now other players can at least see how you dressed up your space barbie. Thats cool. I for one love it and hope all the cool announced features will come out sometime soon.
WiS is a whole new level. Playing Sims in Eve will bring lots of new players, its cool! :)
who liked this? step out seriously i want to know this is what is wrong with you people One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:04:00 -
[1367] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Zevina wrote:WiS will be very popular as soon as player interactive aspects are implemented. Having a full body character preview was the first step in the right direction. Now other players can at least see how you dressed up your space barbie. Thats cool. I for one love it and hope all the cool announced features will come out sometime soon.
WiS is a whole new level. Playing Sims in Eve will bring lots of new players, its cool! :) who liked this? step out seriously i want to know this is what is wrong with you people
Yes how dare someone talk about Incarna in something other than a reactionary whiney manner. Naughty poster. Don't you know that EVE is all about toeing the party line and never saying anything positve about the game.
Why can't you be more like Taiwanistan and stumble out a poorly thought through and essentially inane arguement that is nothing more than parroting of the standard 'OMG its not flying in space therefore I hates it' drivel.
Good on you Zevina for saying what you like about EVE and about what you are looking forward to. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:33:00 -
[1368] - Quote
i am inane and i am against ccp dedicating resources on worthless crap i hate space barbie dress up i hate enhanced chat room with /emotes which is what the whole incarna wis amounts to what part of that do you have trouble understanding?
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:47:00 -
[1369] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:i am inane and i am against ccp dedicating resources on worthless crap i hate space barbie dress up i hate enhanced chat room with /emotes which is what the whole incarna wis amounts to what part of that do you have trouble understanding?
Your first three words sum you up nicely.
Thankyou for providing clarity. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:54:00 -
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whoa you got me, am humbled by your retort please explain to me the importance/desire/benefits for: space barbie dress up /emote avatar chatting and what i will be missing out if i am not /emoting with my avatar
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.07 05:04:00 -
[1371] - Quote
[quote=Taiwanistan and what i will be missing out if i am not /emoting with my avatar [/quote]
If you don't like a particular feature or activity in EVE, don't do it, there are plenty of others things to do Just don't expect that you should be able to come on the forums and demand that CCP focusses on only those features that you like.
In a sense, the pro-Incarna players have the same demands as those players that enjoy null-sec, or PVP, or industry, or PI; which is that CCP doesn't neglect their preferred play style or release half completed features.
EVE has thousands of players, thankfully not all of them are you. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.07 05:11:00 -
[1372] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Taiwanistan and what i will be missing out if i am not /emoting with my avatar
If you don't like a particular feature or activity in EVE, don't do it, there are plenty of others things to do[i wrote: Just don't expect that you should be able to come on the forums and demand that CCP focusses on only those features that you like.[/i]
In a sense, the pro-Incarna players have the same demands as those players that enjoy null-sec, or PVP, or industry, or PI; which is that CCP doesn't neglect their preferred play style or release half completed features.
EVE has thousands of players, thankfully not all of them are you.
oops too late for that, thousands of players like me have appealed to the csm and now thankfully incarna is on ice in the morgue and you still haven't explained /emoting to me One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
465
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Posted - 2011.12.07 05:14:00 -
[1373] - Quote
Tammy Triscuit wrote:MotherMoon wrote:While I allready said I want WiS i eve more than other. Well other than maybe the neo neocom.
The fact is, WiS needs to be put on the backburner until all abandoned Content has not been abandoned anymore.
ESPECIALLY planetary interaction. With dust having a February release date, If PI doesn't get the attention it deserves Dust 514 will have no one in eve interested, because no one wants to fight over mining on planets in space.
We need populations control. We need limited space on each planet. We need schools and military complexes. We need a real planetary sim game, and we need it within the next 3 months or DUST 514 is going to fail hardcore.
Without limited space on each planet who the hell is going to fight over land, when it's not in limited supply. There is literally so many planets in eve, that there is no way every planet could be taken up. And if it's fun enough PI with limited space per planets could get people to spread out a bit.
Even if only 40 spots were on every planet, there are still 4-8 planets per system. Which means each system could support anywhere from 160-320 players.
Without some kinda of real PI experience like we saw at fanfest, Dust has no chance : ( It's not going to happen, CCP is going to have Dust stand on it's own merits as an FPS. They aren't counting so much on EVE players using Dust. I think they're going to market it as a cheap or free? Console download with free updates to people who don't necessarily play EVE, telling them they are effecting this huge space universe (lie to them) and hopefully bring new younger customers to EVE. I don't think most EVE players own a console, though I think the eve-radio channel viewers probably do. That's just my guess. But the end result is that we will not get a planet sim, mark that down as another CCP pipe dream much like establishments were. Even though they'd probably like to and it would be great. They aren't capable of it.
That's weird because they already said that Dust player have the same access to PI as EVE players.
And review sites have already seen eve players shooting the planet in real time. I mean it's not really real time, it's faked, as in your shot lands randomly has a delay. The point is, both players get the same PI interface, and can shoot each other.
Without meaningful PI, even without eve, dust will suck. |
Sinitron
Sinister Electronics
4
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Posted - 2011.12.07 06:37:00 -
[1374] - Quote
my only problem is that for a company with so many employees ccp sure puts out an absolute minimum of content |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
465
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Posted - 2011.12.07 06:48:00 -
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Sinitron wrote:my only problem is that for a company with so many employees ccp sure puts out an absolute minimum of content
BINGO!
during incrana they had 80- devs on FiS. How do 80 devs make less content than 30 devs back with red moon rising. |
Psychophantic
217
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Posted - 2011.12.07 07:41:00 -
[1376] - Quote
It's obvious WiS is popular.
Look at the numbers for June and Incarna and compare them to current Crucible numbers. Incarna attracted a lot more attention.
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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
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Posted - 2011.12.07 07:52:00 -
[1377] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Sinitron wrote:my only problem is that for a company with so many employees ccp sure puts out an absolute minimum of content BINGO! during incrana they had 80- devs on FiS. How do 80 devs make less content than 30 devs back with red moon rising.
Not according to the DevBlog from July 2010. Incarna = (9 teams, approximately 70 developers) FiS = (3 teams, approximately 22 developers)
Do you have a reference for the numbers you are quoting.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Sinitron
Sinister Electronics
4
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Posted - 2011.12.07 07:59:00 -
[1378] - Quote
That's still almost a hundred devs who sat around twirling their thumbs and pretending to do something for a good few months. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:04:00 -
[1379] - Quote
If only CCP would deign to give us some clarity on the future of Incarna.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Boris Ginnungagap
Doomheim
46
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:06:00 -
[1380] - Quote
Back to roots is much more fun than space barbies in station.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.12.07 15:30:00 -
[1381] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Come on CCP, a response please!
Thread stats so far
Replies - 1,150
Reads - 26,072
Likes - 1,775
You bumped this to the top of eve general for a month an half and received only 136 likes for your op claiming "some of us do want incarna."
As was mentioned earlier there have already been 2 devblogs on incarna for the crucible release.
Perhaps due to a mass exodus from the game when incarna was all we ever heard about, it is not the golden child anymore. Perhaps your expectations that ccp will talk about incarna every dev blog should be adjusted. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.12.07 15:59:00 -
[1382] - Quote
Incarna, like this thread and its many supporters desperate for it, should be euthanized. It would be humane and the most merciful thing to do. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.07 17:13:00 -
[1383] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Incarna, like this thread and its many supporters desperate for it, should be euthanized. It would be humane and the most merciful thing to do.
to get your brain back ...................that way ----------------->
Hey CCP i know you are watching I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.12.07 17:22:00 -
[1384] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Alpheias wrote:Incarna, like this thread and its many supporters desperate for it, should be euthanized. It would be humane and the most merciful thing to do. to get your brain back ...................that way ----------------->
EVE Online, without Incarna is straight ahead. Second Life is to your left. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
217
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Posted - 2011.12.07 17:28:00 -
[1385] - Quote
People who want WiS and think that Incarna just needs 'a little more effort' are poorly informed who haven't actually kept up with the info that the community has access to. CQ on its own was poorly optimized at best and in a larger station environment current engine couldn't handle more than 2-3 (iirc) avatars. The technology simply doesn't work for what the people want it for. Cry and moan all you want for the space barbies you desire so badly, but all you'd get is a little room to sit in by yourself. WiS is a stupid waste of resources and until technology catches up it has absolutely no place in EVE. Incarna's development almost killed EVE and I don't think CCP has any intentions to risk that again any time soon. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
78
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Posted - 2011.12.07 17:39:00 -
[1386] - Quote
WIS station will be a long-term slowly implemented project from here on out with additions coming through piece by piece.. You are likely to see more fixes and patches and less new content. for those who want FIS focused on to fix things about FIS, realistically, even though the list of things to work on is long, you don't need full on expansions dedicated to fixing things. it can also be done over time. I am a firm believer that expansions should add content FIS and WIS because I like BOTH and can see how BOTH add to the immersion of the game.
what I don't like is that DUST will NOT add to my PC/EVE immersion as I so wish it would. and to be honest with the limitations on network bandwidth and PS3's old hardware, I think it would actually diminish the potential of DUSTs full capabilities. DUST should be an expansion to EVE, not a separate game on a separate platform. I just see this pipedream project as another failed realization due to poor implementation and integration, which further points out that some executives at CCP still have their heads up their arses. do it RIGHT or don't do it at all and I will stand by my point that DUST will fail to be fully realized because of the PS3 integration.
what CCP will NOT achieve by releasing DUST on PS3 is an opportunity to expand on WIS and Space to Planet integration through the PC platform, which could be huge if done right. I still think it would add a PURPOSE for WIS, without DUST as a PC Expansion, it just doesn't. Think about it:
If Dust was implemented as WIS content you could do the following:
dock with station exit to captains quarters walk to planetary staging/strategic room observe the planetary conflicts and choose a side accept a player/corp created employment contract to fight (FPS) for isk gear up and put on armor and equip guns fit out your vehicles take ship to surface staging point and get to killing and destroying
this is the only way that this will be epic, otherwise, it's a loss. CCP should consider changing direction on DUST for these reasons. DUST on PS3 makes WIS pointless. period. |
Taius Pax
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2011.12.07 17:44:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:It's obvious WiS is popular.
Look at the numbers for June and Incarna and compare them to current Crucible numbers. Incarna attracted a lot more attention.
Incarna's what caused that huge drop in subscriptions. The community backlash against Incarna was so bad and subscription losses substantial enough they had to lay people off and practically shelve development on their other MMO - World of Darkness.
I think the message was pretty clear.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
78
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Posted - 2011.12.07 17:49:00 -
[1388] - Quote
Berendas wrote:People who want WiS and think that Incarna just needs 'a little more effort' are poorly informed who haven't actually kept up with the info that the community has access to. CQ on its own was poorly optimized at best and in a larger station environment current engine couldn't handle more than 2-3 (iirc) avatars. The technology simply doesn't work for what the people want it for. Cry and moan all you want for the space barbies you desire so badly, but all you'd get is a little room to sit in by yourself. WiS is a stupid waste of resources and until technology catches up it has absolutely no place in EVE. Incarna's development almost killed EVE and I don't think CCP has any intentions to risk that again any time soon.
player uprising almost killed EVE and the sky is falling attitude
if there is a recession and no media outlets report about it, then there really isn't a recession is there?
it's the same as does a tree fall in the woods if no one around is to hear/see it? if it falls and no one is around, does anyone really care?
the technology does exist to support it, the problem is the technology that it seems a majority of players who play eve have been used to playing eve on laptops and pc's that are old and outdated. If someone really wants to keep playing eve they should realize that the game is going to continue to be more demanding on their hardware and should for the sake of being a gamer, UPGRADE, like CCP has been doing with their hardware for so long. better graphics, better shaders, better lighting.....get the point already? lol does anyone else find it funny that CCPs choice for those who initially turned off the captain's quarters where SHOWN THE DOOR!? a little subtle hint for those players whose PCs couldnt handle it......you were staring at a DOOR. adapt or die or leave.
in a year or so if EVE doesn't show progress with more content added to both WIS/FIS then there will be no more goals to achieve and the game will become stagnant for a lack of creative imagination.
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
334
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Posted - 2011.12.07 18:37:00 -
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I feel an strange urge to post in this thread. I know I should not, but I must post nonetheless.
The fact that after a huge fallout, popular uprising and real voting (with our wallets) having crashed mostly everything that Incarna was supposed to be and mean, all I can remember is the Sig of someone in the forums saying shortly something like this, need exact citation if someone can help me : A DEVELOPER SHOULD NOT SAY THEIR PRODUCT IS AWESOME AND THE CREAM OF THE TOP , ONLY SUBSCRIBERS SHOULD DO THAT.
Take the Mac for instance, the higher ADVERTISING they have is costumers themselves, even their motto of "Think Different" is not implying anything. YOU as an end user fill the gap.
Why I use this marketing ploy as an example on Incarna? Easy, Incarna went beyond regular game expansions by IMPLYING it was BETTER for US without asking. This 60 pages long thread is proof that the ILLUSION OF CHOICE IS a key point in selling everything, even the fecal matter Incarna was.
And this leads to another subpoint on my point building post, CCP for some strange reasons seems to OFFER limited choices in their sandbox game. This is not about how WE WANT OR NOT WIS or FIS or Flying Space Monkeys decked in rebalanced Blasters that shoot poo.
In a sense what everyone here is discussing is the lack of CHOICES CCP is presenting us and presented us, leading to their OBVIOUS downfall a couple months ago.
Its not about "bad attitudes' trollin', carebearism, lack of real life $ or whatever excuse you want to put.
The Problem lies with CCP itself, not the userbase, I have blasted over and over in the forums for quite a while, how CCP seems a bit shortsighted in the GIVING CHOICE department in their products.
"BUT, BUT THIS IS A SANDBOX GAME, you TROLL!!"
No sir, you going to the argument of the game is irrelevant to the higher point I'm implying. Same as talking about Nex or this or that.
What we are seeing here in this threadnaught is a clear lack of vision from CCP in the area of Game Direction. Though I admire Papercut's improvements, they boiled down to a long overdue PATCH. Crucible was a knee-jerk reaction to the plummeting value of CCP as a company.
People still think that the protesters , myself included, just wanted to vent "negative" vibes or some other nonsense. When you observe the social phenomena Monoclegate was, it was simply a reaction to the lack of choices and the perception of how the community was so alienated , both ingame and out of it, that even a simple MEME could topple CCP in the only place it hurts them, MONEY.
It is my extremely humble opinion, if CCP is reading this thread, they begin to collate and UNDERSTAND they have serious ISSUES in the way they Market their virtual goods.
Choice is a right, even if its an imaginary one.
Also as a protip: google product introduction theory
You failed. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
217
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Posted - 2011.12.07 19:11:00 -
[1390] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:player uprising almost killed EVE and the sky is falling attitude
How else should we have reacted? CCP ignored their game for over 2 years developing a costly feature that fell far short of what was promised, and mind you, this was a feature not everyone wanted to begin with.
People leaving the game because it sucks isn't an 'uprising,' its the clearest form of player feedback. The Jita protests and forum rage were an effort by players to make sure CCP got its act together before so many people left that the game simply died.
arcca jeth wrote:the technology does exist to support it, the problem is the technology that it seems a majority of players who play eve have been used to playing eve on laptops and pc's that are old and outdated. If someone really wants to keep playing eve they should realize that the game is going to continue to be more demanding on their hardware and should for the sake of being a gamer, UPGRADE, like CCP has been doing with their hardware for so long. better graphics, better shaders, better lighting.....get the point already? lol does anyone else find it funny that CCPs choice for those who initially turned off the captain's quarters where SHOWN THE DOOR!? a little subtle hint for those players whose PCs couldnt handle it......you were staring at a DOOR. adapt or die or leave.
in a year or so if EVE doesn't show progress with more content added to both WIS/FIS then there will be no more goals to achieve and the game will become stagnant for a lack of creative imagination.
So if people want to keep playing their favorite game that WAS FINE WITHOUT WIS, they need to spend hundreds of dollars on PC upgrades? That's not 'adapt or die' thats just an idiotic business sense. Most of the people I've flown with and talked to through the years have had high end(ish) PC's, I'm not sure where you got this idea that everyone is trying to play EVE on a library computer.
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Midnight Hope
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2011.12.07 19:55:00 -
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Taius Pax wrote:Psychophantic wrote:It's obvious WiS is popular.
Look at the numbers for June and Incarna and compare them to current Crucible numbers. Incarna attracted a lot more attention.
Incarna's what caused that huge drop in subscriptions. The community backlash against Incarna was so bad and subscription losses substantial enough they had to lay people off and practically shelve development on their other MMO - World of Darkness. I think the message was pretty clear.
You are right, Incarna sucked, but Incarna was not WiS. Equating them is a mistake. Even from the WiS perpective, Incarna sucked. The backlash was because of the lack of content (only one CQ with the door closed), gameplay and the NEX-T-2-useless Store.
I, for one, want to get more WiS. CCP has to find the right balance or FiS and WiS in each expansion. I would love to explore an abandoned BS or Space Station. I would love to hang out in my Corp lounge/offices. I would like to stroll down Jita promenade. |
Taius Pax
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2011.12.07 20:50:00 -
[1392] - Quote
Midnight Hope wrote:Taius Pax wrote:Psychophantic wrote:It's obvious WiS is popular.
Look at the numbers for June and Incarna and compare them to current Crucible numbers. Incarna attracted a lot more attention.
Incarna's what caused that huge drop in subscriptions. The community backlash against Incarna was so bad and subscription losses substantial enough they had to lay people off and practically shelve development on their other MMO - World of Darkness. I think the message was pretty clear. You are right, Incarna sucked, but Incarna was not WiS. Equating them is a mistake. Even from the WiS perpective, Incarna sucked. The backlash was because of the lack of content (only one CQ with the door closed), gameplay and the NEX-T-2-useless Store.
The backlash was because they spent their time on WiS and NeX rather than on the core game that we pay for. A lot of it was fueled by the leaked newsletter and emails from Hellmar congratulating them on a job well done and saying how we'd fall in line and eat NeX up.
We showed them what we thought of that. I personally cancelled my subs didn't look at Eve again until Hellmar sent out the message saying "We f-ed up" and later heard WoD was being shelved and the focus was back on the core spaceship game.
All they've ever proposed for WiS is nothing more than window dressing and fancy 3D virtual environment interfaces for things we have more efficient interfaces for already. This and Pay2Win in NeX is what the fuss was all about. The majority want long standing issues fixed and expansion of the core gameplay mechanics - not spending our subscription fees on frankly nothing more than dress up avatar chat...
I'd be curious see how stats often people actually use the CQ interfaces vs the traditional interface.
If they have any sense of self-preservation or want to see this game last beyond the near future they'll leave it at pushing out the rest of the CQs and let WiS go.
I cancelled my subs for 5 months and I don't have any problem cancelling again if they lose focus on the core game. - And I don't think I'm alone in that. |
Jack Cavanaugh
Mechanical Eagles Inc. The Ancients.
27
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Posted - 2011.12.07 21:25:00 -
[1393] - Quote
First comes WiS and then...pets.
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Psychophantic
217
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Posted - 2011.12.07 21:29:00 -
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Taius Pax wrote: I think the message was pretty clear.
Message was very clear. A whole lot of people were interested in WiS and when it didn't turn out the way they wanted they left.
60 page thread to convince people they don't want WiS.
All the people who wanted FiS returning in droves for Crucible and sub numbers going through the roof. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.07 21:39:00 -
[1395] - Quote
A lot of people are talking as if they know the facts when they really don't. CCP are the only ones who know but i'll give you my point of view...
There were multiple reasons why people reacted so badly to Incarna. The primary factor was the ludicrous prices seen on the NEX store. The issue of microtransaction games is a very touchy subject for the gaming community and it just so happened that CCP management made all the wrong decisions. Add this to the fact CQ not only effected the performance of some computers, CCP forced players to experience CQ by removing ship spinning. Nobody wanted this from WIS.
WIS was meant to be an addition, not a change to the existing experience. The first i saw of WIS was the fan fest video showing an avatar walking round a public area where we could interact with others and own retail. Then later we were told we would be able to do things like play games/gamble or deal boosters face to face. The last thing we saw came in the form of the Future Vision trailer that suggested we would be doing multiple things on stations including combat in some form...
Some would consider what we were told and what was delivered false advertisement.
The intention of this thread is to let CCP know that a lot of us want the WIS that was shown to us initially.
Now that some time has passed since that Hilmar guys (spelling?) letter to the community, and in response to the WIS threads that are around, i think CCP need to clarify what's going on behind closed doors.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:31:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Come on CCP, a response please!
Thread stats so far
Replies - 1,150
Reads - 26,072
Likes - 1,775 You bumped this to the top of eve general for a month an half and received only 136 likes for your op claiming "some of us do want incarna." As was mentioned earlier there have already been 2 devblogs on incarna for the crucible release. Perhaps due to a mass exodus from the game when incarna was all we ever heard about, it is not the golden child anymore. Perhaps your expectations that ccp will talk about incarna every dev blog should be adjusted.
Many bumped this thread. Someone did the tedium of adding the actual pro WiS likes in the thread and they were way more supporting continued WiS development than not. I'm not going to do your work for you, go tally them yourself if you want to prove me wrong.
There have been NO dev blog since this thread was started that say anything about WiS after completion of the delivery of thw work in progress when the summer expansion was released. Yes, two developers to finishes the CQs that were meant to launch this summer. Not a word about after that.
I want ANY dev blog about WiS plans going forward after Crucible.
Issler |
Taius Pax
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:36:00 -
[1397] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:Taius Pax wrote: I think the message was pretty clear.
Message was very clear. A whole lot of people were interested in WiS and when it didn't turn out the way they wanted they left.
You're right - people have been subscribing to this game for years just waiting for the day WIS would be a reality and unsubbed en masse when that wasn't realized
Psychophantic wrote:All the people who wanted FiS returning in droves for Crucible and sub numbers going through the roof.
A lot of people who unsubbed aren't coming back. EVE has been on a downward trend since earlier this year (check the all-time concurrent users graph) and it only accelerated after Incarna. Crucible is a step in the right direction, but it may be too late. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
473
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:39:00 -
[1398] - Quote
CCP! Do what you can, run from WiS as fast as you can! Everytime one of your devs brings up the subject of WiS, knock him/her out of their chair and take away their game playing time. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:40:00 -
[1399] - Quote
Midnight Hope wrote: I would love to explore an abandoned BS or Space Station.
Holy ******* ****! I read that and I swear to god I had an orgasm! Exploring an abandoned BS or Station as part of a mission or storyline would be ******* sweet. Yeah yeah...Carebear stuff...I know...but still. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Abaddons One
Honey Badger Guild
6
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:43:00 -
[1400] - Quote
tl:dr
<- doesn't care about WiS....why would I walk around an empty station...or a station with everyone just standing around not doing anything? Been in systems with 100+ in local...not 1 is talking...you want WiS? How about getting your local system active again, and no, spamming contracts doesnt count. |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:48:00 -
[1401] - Quote
Can you imagine what EVE would be like if all the whiners that dismiss Incarna as 'visual fluff', had their way?
We wouldn't have the trinity graphics engine, revamped planets, V3 textures, new warp effects, ship trails, new turrets, new shadows, new character creater, updated ship models, new weapon effects, revamped asteroid models.
Just to name a few.
All of these things enhance gameplay, even though they could be classified as 'visual fluff'. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
78
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:53:00 -
[1402] - Quote
EvE has enough potential to add even more players and exceed their previous milestones. It's never too late for new subs and new players (with the 60day deal offered i picked up a 5th account and paid another 3 months on top for 5 months of glory). New player starting zones are buzzing with fresh players. Just look at Rookie Help chat channel. Almost 2k players in there asking newb questions lol.
People will take a break, then realized that EvE owns and come back. EvE just needs another slam dunk patchspanion and quick. they need to start talking about what they want to do next and do it now! keep people excited and keep them interested.
the trick is to have a good balance of fixing and adding new content that both attracts new players and helps retain old. EvE isn't going anywhere, the sky isn't falling lol
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
78
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:55:00 -
[1403] - Quote
Abaddons One wrote:tl:dr
<- doesn't care about WiS....why would I walk around an empty station...or a station with everyone just standing around not doing anything? Been in systems with 100+ in local...not 1 is talking...you want WiS? How about getting your local system active again, and no, spamming contracts doesnt count.
you are making the assumption that it would be empty and that everyone would just be standing around which is based off of only your perception of what WIS could be or mean for the game. which means you have either no imagination or a very limited one.
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Sarion Stormweaver
Spectrum Solutions INC
12
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:05:00 -
[1404] - Quote
I demand that things are done to fit my playstyle :
Remove capitals: I don't use them. Remove Mining: I don't mine. Remove PI: it's a waste of resources. I spend most of my time in Venal, and to/from Jita. Therefore I recommend removing the other regions. (WH included I don't do WH). Fix the ships I play ignore every other ship. Because that's how EVE is supposed to be played. MY WAY. POS's, player stations, etc, are a waste. .... and I could go on for with a longer list. ....
/SARCASM OFF
Now on a more serious approach on things. There's like 60% of content out there that doesn't interest me personally :). Do I think that it's bad to focus on developing stuff even if it doesn't interest me personally ? Certainly NOT.
For me EVE is striving to achieve what ELITE was gonna do in my dreams about that game :).
And in my dreams in ELITE, You were able to walk in stations, And on planets, and so on. :)
I personally reactivated my accounts when I heard that they were going for WIS, even if I still don't have the time to put in EVE to play/enjoy it. Why ? Because I think CCP is going in the right direction for now, and I hope that EVE is the game i'll be playing when I retire :). Therefore I supported them the only way I can. By paying my subscription.
TL;DR; YES TO WIS. Yes to improving the world of EVE. Eve is no longer only a spaceship game for some time now.
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Abaddons One
Honey Badger Guild
6
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:12:00 -
[1405] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Abaddons One wrote:tl:dr
<- doesn't care about WiS....why would I walk around an empty station...or a station with everyone just standing around not doing anything? Been in systems with 100+ in local...not 1 is talking...you want WiS? How about getting your local system active again, and no, spamming contracts doesnt count. you are making the assumption that it would be empty and that everyone would just be standing around which is based off of only your perception of what WIS could be or mean for the game. which means you have either no imagination or a very limited one.
I have a very broad perception about WiS actually.
However, WiS is, and has always been since it's announcement, a means for socializing. If you are in a system that either:
A. Has no one in local or B. Has plenty of people in local but absolutely no one talks to eachother accept for the repetative contract spamming
then all you are going to get is WiS with nothing to do...at most I could see (in the near future at least) actually walking up to your agent to get a mission...but then personally, that's a waste of time. |
PhantomTrojan
IMPERIO DE PIRATAS UNIDOS Order Of The Unforgiving
4
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:15:00 -
[1406] - Quote
ccp didnt even espent time making content for incarna, I myself e as a beginner in modeling and animation, am capable of making what they did in under 6 months a couple of hours a day, not with the same level of optimization because i suck at that but if i can do it, why a whole team of professional designers cant do it better and faster?.
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Abaddons One
Honey Badger Guild
6
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:16:00 -
[1407] - Quote
PhantomTrojan wrote:ccp didnt even espent time making content for incarna, I myself e as a beginner in modeling and animation, am capable of making what they did in under 6 months a couple of hours a day, not with the same level of optimization because i suck at that but if i can do it, why a whole team of professional designers cant do it better and faster?.
Because EVE is all modeling and animation... |
Sarion Stormweaver
Spectrum Solutions INC
12
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:25:00 -
[1408] - Quote
PhantomTrojan wrote:ccp didnt even espent time making content for incarna, I myself e as a beginner in modeling and animation, am capable of making what they did in under 6 months a couple of hours a day, not with the same level of optimization because i suck at that but if i can do it, why a whole team of professional designers cant do it better and faster?.
Because it's not about only 4 Captain Quarters only, and some costumes. It's more about building the base structure that allows further development. The hardest thing to do is to start changing present things in order to implement future development. Therefore it's all about getting the core right, and anticipating as many features as possible from the start, even if you don't put them in NOW.
or at least the only explanation that makes sense, from a programming/developing point of view.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:59:00 -
[1409] - Quote
Dearest CCP, please grant us some info on the future of Incarna. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.08 00:00:00 -
[1410] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Alpheias wrote:Incarna, like this thread and its many supporters desperate for it, should be euthanized. It would be humane and the most merciful thing to do. to get your brain back ...................that way -----------------> EVE Online, without Incarna is straight ahead. Second Life is to your left.
Not straight ahead ,but backwards in my opinion. Nowadays there is a nice button in EvE where you can choose between shipspinning and CQ(and hopefully some WIS in the future) Search for it and try that button,maybe you feel happier and don,t want people to be euthanized for their own opninion
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.08 00:46:00 -
[1411] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Can you imagine what EVE would be like if all the whiners that dismiss Incarna as 'visual fluff', had their way?
We wouldn't have the trinity graphics engine, revamped planets, V3 textures, new warp effects, ship trails, new turrets, new shadows, new character creater, updated ship models, new weapon effects, revamped asteroid models.
Just to name a few.
All of these things enhance gameplay, even though they could be classified as 'visual fluff'.
yeah it's for the FIS gameplay master plan, we want it and allow it, that is why but no spacebarbies no don't insult me by mention that scumjob in the same sentence, don't use bad examples again i see posts saying eve needs a web 2.3 social network framework because "eve is stagnant" pretty pathetic when the incarna lovers here are mostly 3 alt corps and 2 corp alliances all you people are solo but want to be social and /emoting but how do you social when you are solo-ing look at evegate spacebook, the devs said hey this is the new social thing! we must have it, who's using it now? worthless (hey look i tacked on a bad example, like you, don't do it)
again explain to me how /emotes enhances gameplay?
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.08 00:52:00 -
[1412] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Flamespar wrote:Can you imagine what EVE would be like if all the whiners that dismiss Incarna as 'visual fluff', had their way?
We wouldn't have the trinity graphics engine, revamped planets, V3 textures, new warp effects, ship trails, new turrets, new shadows, new character creater, updated ship models, new weapon effects, revamped asteroid models.
Just to name a few.
All of these things enhance gameplay, even though they could be classified as 'visual fluff'. yeah it's for the FIS gameplay master plan, we want it and allow it, that is why but no spacebarbies no don't insult me by mention that scumjob in the same sentence, don't use bad examples again i see posts saying eve needs a web 2.3 social network framework because "eve is stagnant" pretty pathetic when the incarna lovers here are mostly 3 alt corps and 2 corp alliances all you people are solo but want to be social and /emoting but how do you social when you are solo-ing look at evegate spacebook, the devs said hey this is the new social thing! we must have it, who's using it now? worthless (hey look i tacked on a bad example, like you, don't do it) again explain to me how /emotes enhances gameplay?
it doesn,t have to enhance your gameplay,but maybe for others it will(if something meaningfull is done with WIS)
About always the same incarnalovers you are talking about,i believe that goes the same for the WIShaters here And we don,t talk about Incarna,only talking about WIS I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.08 01:22:00 -
[1413] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:
again explain to me how /emotes enhances gameplay?
And here i thought smack-talk is your best feature... Or other peoples too. .. Its actually same as /emotes ... so go figure it out |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.08 02:12:00 -
[1414] - Quote
Midnight Hope wrote:Taius Pax wrote:Psychophantic wrote:It's obvious WiS is popular.
Look at the numbers for June and Incarna and compare them to current Crucible numbers. Incarna attracted a lot more attention.
Incarna's what caused that huge drop in subscriptions. The community backlash against Incarna was so bad and subscription losses substantial enough they had to lay people off and practically shelve development on their other MMO - World of Darkness. I think the message was pretty clear. You are right, Incarna sucked, but Incarna was not WiS. Equating them is a mistake. Even from the WiS perpective, Incarna sucked. The backlash was because of the lack of content (only one CQ with the door closed), gameplay and the NEX-T-2-useless Store. I, for one, want to get more WiS. CCP has to find the right balance or FiS and WiS in each expansion. I would love to explore an abandoned BS or Space Station. I would love to hang out in my Corp lounge/offices. I would like to stroll down Jita promenade.
Midnight, excellent ideas!!! CCP hire this person immediately!
Issler |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.08 04:39:00 -
[1415] - Quote
I've started a thread in the Assembly hall, asking that the CSM ask CCP to clarify the future of Incarna given Hilmar's conflicting comments.
I'm very specific that we're just wanting clarification on the future of Incarna over the next 12 months, not that it take precendence over any particular feature.
Please check it out and give support. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.08 05:22:00 -
[1416] - Quote
Reconfirming that Kuronaga likes WIS.
It is not the reason he was shooting at statues, in case CCP is having trouble figuring that out. |
Adamonus
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.12.08 07:50:00 -
[1417] - Quote
what?,
WIS has a problem if more than 2-3 People would walk together in a station??? Is that information right?
WHAT is C.A.R.B.O.N. then ??? A marketing-GAG?
DTH, SIT DOWN and work it out omg!!
- Where is that crazy CAPTAIN CARBON from the FANFEST-video 2011??
- Give him his costume and a new soundmachine...Hilmar has a new opportunity now to make his community happy here again.
- Also want to know what happened to the CQ guy....CCP Chilliad? Silent overall...thats not good...not good.
Solve problems - and stop creating new ones (Summer-leak)
CAPTAIN C.A.R.B.O.N. FTW !! =======================
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaT9Z2zxPu0
Minute: 29:24
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
467
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Posted - 2011.12.08 08:25:00 -
[1418] - Quote
I'm still waiting on the ability to dress my Jita alt up as a *****. Your move CCP. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.08 10:02:00 -
[1419] - Quote
Doh, CSM meeting news:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Just a quick report on events at day 1:
Opening Meeting: Discussed the ongoing reorganization of CCP, designed to make the company better able to deliver what customers want. This means more a focus on spaceships that look good before, during and after they blow up.
Not a very promising start. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Psychophantic
217
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Posted - 2011.12.08 12:56:00 -
[1420] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:This means more a focus on spaceships that look good before, during and after they blow up
Damn those WiS hatin FiS'ers getting what they want.
Maybe we all need to split up into three camps, WiS, FiS and PiS. Pixels in space.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.08 13:04:00 -
[1421] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Doh, CSM meeting news: Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Just a quick report on events at day 1:
Opening Meeting: Discussed the ongoing reorganization of CCP, designed to make the company better able to deliver what customers want. This means more a focus on spaceships that look good before, during and after they blow up. Not a very promising start.
Where is this quote taken from? |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
976
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Posted - 2011.12.08 13:14:00 -
[1422] - Quote
Exotic dancers. Now. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2011.12.08 13:34:00 -
[1423] - Quote
CARBON is basically rewritting of eve from original code, which is why every forefront feature was an addon not an improvement they made an estimate that carbon would take 18 months to completely rewrite 6 years of eve and sure enough it just about did require that much.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.08 13:39:00 -
[1424] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Doh, CSM meeting news: Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Just a quick report on events at day 1:
Opening Meeting: Discussed the ongoing reorganization of CCP, designed to make the company better able to deliver what customers want. This means more a focus on spaceships that look good before, during and after they blow up. Not a very promising start. CCP ignored FiS for WiS for 2 years. Subscriptions started to dwindle, people were pissed on the forums. CCP regained focus on WiS, subscriptions started going back up, people were less pissed on the forums.
Gee, I wonder why they're keeping at least some focus on FiS. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:06:00 -
[1425] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Midnight Hope wrote:Taius Pax wrote:Psychophantic wrote:It's obvious WiS is popular.
Look at the numbers for June and Incarna and compare them to current Crucible numbers. Incarna attracted a lot more attention.
Incarna's what caused that huge drop in subscriptions. The community backlash against Incarna was so bad and subscription losses substantial enough they had to lay people off and practically shelve development on their other MMO - World of Darkness. I think the message was pretty clear. You are right, Incarna sucked, but Incarna was not WiS. Equating them is a mistake. Even from the WiS perpective, Incarna sucked. The backlash was because of the lack of content (only one CQ with the door closed), gameplay and the NEX-T-2-useless Store. I, for one, want to get more WiS. CCP has to find the right balance or FiS and WiS in each expansion. I would love to explore an abandoned BS or Space Station. I would love to hang out in my Corp lounge/offices. I would like to stroll down Jita promenade. Midnight, excellent ideas!!! CCP hire this person immediately! Issler
Are you kidding? How is the gameplay of hanging out in corporate offices any different than the game play of hanging out in your captains quarters?
You want to pay a subscription so you can stroll down a promenade??
FFS!
What is the matter with you people??
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:09:00 -
[1426] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Doh, CSM meeting news: Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Just a quick report on events at day 1:
Opening Meeting: Discussed the ongoing reorganization of CCP, designed to make the company better able to deliver what customers want. This means more a focus on spaceships that look good before, during and after they blow up. Not a very promising start. CCP ignored FiS for WiS for 2 years. Subscriptions started to dwindle, people were pissed on the forums. CCP regained focus on WiS, subscriptions started going back up, people were less pissed on the forums. Gee, I wonder why they're keeping at least some focus on FiS.
Not Fis was ignored,but EVE itself. Not bc of WIS,but for WOD , a Console game and the Nex store And don,t forget CCP claim they did the last winterpatch with some expansions (still a patch,but it made a lot of people happy,including me) in 6 weeks imagine what they can do in a half year. They can do the tweaks you all want,add some shiny stuf in space and still be working on the WIS part with a small crew. the foundation for Wis is there ,all we want is some love for it by a small team
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
21
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:30:00 -
[1427] - Quote
+1 for fixing existing ships (unique role per ship, even if that role is being cheap eg. slasher).
+1 WIS: this will probably get me back into the game. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:35:00 -
[1428] - Quote
Cearain wrote:[quote=Issler Dainze]
Are you kidding? How is the gameplay of hanging out in corporate offices any different than the game play of hanging out in your captains quarters?
You want to pay a subscription so you can stroll down a promenade??
FFS!
What is the matter with you people??
You are the one that has the problem. You are too small minded to consider the possibilities and your arguments deteriorate to "blah, blah, space-barbie".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t1SKhdCkHM |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:53:00 -
[1429] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Cearain wrote:[quote=Issler Dainze]
Are you kidding? How is the gameplay of hanging out in corporate offices any different than the game play of hanging out in your captains quarters?
You want to pay a subscription so you can stroll down a promenade??
FFS!
What is the matter with you people??
You are the one that has the problem. You are too small minded to consider the possibilities and your arguments deteriorate to "blah, blah, space-barbie". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t1SKhdCkHM
I have a problem because I have no desire to pay a subscription to have my computer avatar stroll down a promenade?
Whats the point of the youtube? It confirms there isn't much to wis. Drink a beer at a bar.
Play a minigame or strategy game with another avatar? Ok big deal. I actually like chess but there are chess servers I can play on for free.
What do you mean the argument deteriorates into "space barbie"? Its not an argument so much as a statement of fact. It is space barbies. Space barbie in a bar having a drink. Space barbie hanging out in her corporate lounge socializing. Space barbie can play a game of checkers with ken. And, last but not least, Space Barbie can stroll down a promenade!!
Please tell me, if you were to make "space barbies" which of the things he mentioned wouldn't fit in?
Everything he mentioned would work well in a "space barbie" mmo. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:02:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Cearain wrote:[quote=Issler Dainze]
Are you kidding? How is the gameplay of hanging out in corporate offices any different than the game play of hanging out in your captains quarters?
You want to pay a subscription so you can stroll down a promenade??
FFS!
What is the matter with you people??
You are the one that has the problem. You are too small minded to consider the possibilities and your arguments deteriorate to "blah, blah, space-barbie". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t1SKhdCkHM I have a problem because I have no desire to pay a subscription to have my computer avatar stroll down a promenade? Whats the point of the youtube? It confirms there isn't much to wis. Drink a beer at a bar. Play a minigame or strategy game with another avatar? Ok big deal. I actually like chess but there are chess servers I can play on for free. What do you mean the argument deteriorates into "space barbie"? Its not an argument so much as a statement of fact. It is space barbies. Space barbie in a bar having a drink. Space barbie hanging out in her corporate lounge socializing. Space barbie can play a game of checkers with ken. And, last but not least, Space Barbie can stroll down a promenade!! Please tell me, if you were to make "space barbies" which of the things he mentioned wouldn't fit in? Everything he mentioned would work well in a "space barbie" mmo.
if you don,t want space barbie ,then stay on shipspinning if you don,t pvp ,stay in highsec if you want to blow up something ,go to 0.0 or gank a miner if you want to research ,go ahead if you want to manufacture, pls do makes EVE empty when somebody wasn,t doing that. if you want to play the market,then look at the spreadsheets if you want to mine,stare at those asteroids If you want FW,pls go ahead
i want Fis,but i want WIS also. You may never want to tryout WIS,but others are wanting WIS I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:09:00 -
[1431] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: If you want FW,pls go ahead
Hopefully they will fix fw before they continue work on Space barbie. (and yes I will call it space barbie until someone tells me a feature that they are including in wis that wouldn't fit in a space barbie mmo.)
But fw needs allot of iterating. It won't just be one quick fix and be done. The same goes for null sec and low sec in general. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:17:00 -
[1432] - Quote
Cearain wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: If you want FW,pls go ahead
Hopefully they will fix fw before they continue work on Space barbie. (and yes I will call it space barbie until someone tells me a feature that they are including in wis that wouldn't fit in a space barbie mmo.) But fw needs allot of iterating. It won't just be one quick fix and be done. The same goes for null sec and low sec in general.
So we both want something, we feel its needs a little attention. Welcome to the club .
Greetings from Old or Oldbut (they can,t resist calling me this way)
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:28:00 -
[1433] - Quote
Cearain wrote: Please tell me, if you were to make "space barbies" which of the things he mentioned wouldn't fit in?
I'm not sure where you guy have got this stupid term "space barbies" but it makes you sound really immature and pathetic.
All the arguments against WIS equate to saying, "I have a bike so why would i want a car with 4 wheel when my bikes 2 are perfectly fine? It's only after you get the car that you can appreciate the benefits.
Sometimes there is nothing to do in eve but sit around spinning your ship and i would much rather play a strategic game or gamble with a friend in station. Instead of sitting in a station waiting for a war target to undock at a moments notice, i could track him and see when he enters the docking area or i could listen in on a conversation that my lead to interesting opportunities...
There are endless possibilities to what WIS could offer but most of all, it would bring in a fresh wave of people if done right which would bring in more money to make the whole game better.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.12.08 19:03:00 -
[1434] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Cearain wrote: Please tell me, if you were to make "space barbies" which of the things he mentioned wouldn't fit in?
I'm not sure where you guy have got this stupid term "space barbies" but it makes you sound really immature and pathetic.
I see it upsets you when I refer to it as space barbies.
But everything that is mentioned about wis (playing board games with your avatar - socializing with other computer avatars - watching your avatar have a drink - strolling down a promenade) all would be features of any space barbie game. Would they not?
So I can't help but think that you are upset because the truth hurts.
You are looking for a space barbie mmo and it upsets you when people point this out. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.08 19:50:00 -
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No it's just that your ignorance annoys me. Maybe when you grow up a bit we can have an intelligent conversation...
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.12.08 20:16:00 -
[1436] - Quote
. Rek Seven wrote:No it's just that your ignorance annoys me. Maybe when you grow up a bit we can have an intelligent conversation...
Ah I see, until I too nag ccp about space barbies I will always be deemed immature, ignorrant and unintelligent. That's the criteria.
Really I am not against having avatars do more. But right now the computer hardware is unlikely to support it - so why waste time pounding a round peg in a square hole? Moreover there is just huge amounts of work that needs to be done in making fw, low sec, and null sec work.
Nothing has been happening in null for years. It seems the null mechanics favor carebearing over war. FW is all but abandonned for years and ccp has offered no idea what the plan is. Low sec ..... well need I say more?
Its time for ccp to put incarna down for a while continue working on the core of the game Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.08 22:04:00 -
[1437] - Quote
Cearain wrote:. Rek Seven wrote:No it's just that your ignorance annoys me. Maybe when you grow up a bit we can have an intelligent conversation...
Really I am not against having avatars do more. But right now the computer hardware is unlikely to support it - so why waste time pounding a round peg in a square hole? Moreover there is just huge amounts of work that needs to be done in making fw, low sec, and null sec work. Nothing has been happening in null for years. It seems the null mechanics favor carebearing over war. FW is all but abandonned for years and ccp has offered no idea what the plan is. Low sec ..... well need I say more? Its time for ccp to put incarna down for a while continue working on the core of the game
At last, a less toll filled response
I agree, CCP should polish existing features to fix all the little things that we experience every day and say to our corpmates "it should work like this..." but the bigger gripes, like null sec population, low sec mechanics and FW for example, stem from issues with the core gameplay mechanics. Changing gameplay mechanics would be a huge task like you said and it has an even bigger chance of alienating people and causing mass unsubs.
WIS has been in developement for ages and all they are going to release is a geaphically intensive way to view an avatar wearing a $70 monocle? That is unacceptable to me and I want to see the things we were told/show.
I just don't want incarna to be added to list of content that feels half finished in this game and I can't see how I can be expected to support the game when they are this quick to go back on their promises and waste my money developing unthoughtout content. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.08 22:05:00 -
[1438] - Quote
Edit: delete double post |
Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2011.12.08 22:13:00 -
[1439] - Quote
I want local to be changed to a high tech scanning ability.
I want WiS to be thrown away... I think no good will come from being shot in stations. Besides, it lags me to no end. I can play better graphix games than this with no lag... I play Sims 3 which is more detailed and my 4 sims walking aorund and laughing together in a 3 story house doesn't cause the lag that my one pilot does by simply walking down a hallway. There's no way I'm going to feel compelled to buy a new computer for the ability to walk down a hallway.
I would like to have a large war ship be equipped with the advanced combat capabilities of a tiny frigate.
I would also like to see a super dreadnaught capable of installing more than 2 guns.
That's my wish list :) Titania Hrothgar |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.08 22:28:00 -
[1440] - Quote
Actually, as long as FiS is solid and not performing seppuku on itself, WiS is a logical next step for CCP. |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:06:00 -
[1441] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote: I just don't want incarna to be added to list of content that feels half finished in this game and I can't see how I can be expected to support the game when they are this quick to go back on their promises and waste my money developing unthoughtout content.
Heart of the matter. CCP has a long way to go on restoring confidence.
Personally I think remaining silent on the future of WiS does not help, or ignoring this thread, which has been going on for well over a month.
Lately I've been thinking that the reason that CCP is silent regarding WiS is because they are trying to distance themselves from the ****-up which was Incarna.
Will players leave until WiS is actually implemented? I'm definitely going to take a break because of it. IGÇÖm just tired of CCP promising the world and then delivering nothing.
Lots of players play this game as they like where the game was heading, and wanted to be part of that journey. But now, itGÇÖs lost some of its magic.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:53:00 -
[1442] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Rek Seven wrote: I just don't want incarna to be added to list of content that feels half finished in this game and I can't see how I can be expected to support the game when they are this quick to go back on their promises and waste my money developing unthoughtout content.
Heart of the matter. CCP has a long way to go on restoring confidence. Personally I think remaining silent on the future of WiS does not help, or ignoring this thread, which has been going on for well over a month. Lately I've been thinking that the reason that CCP is silent regarding WiS is because they are trying to distance themselves from the ****-up which was Incarna. Will players leave until WiS is actually implemented? I'm definitely going to take a break because of it. IGÇÖm just tired of CCP promising the world and then delivering nothing. Lots of players play this game as they like where the game was heading, and wanted to be part of that journey. But now, itGÇÖs lost some of its magic.
When I started this thread all I really wanted was a definitive response from CCP. A month later and how many supporting posts and not a peep.
Lame CCP!
Issler |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:14:00 -
[1443] - Quote
"not a peep", as in not a single post by a dev? Is that why there's a big fat blue dev arrow pointing towards this thread? |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:21:00 -
[1444] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:"not a peep", as in not a single post by a dev? Is that why there's a big fat blue dev arrow pointing towards this thread?
you mean page 12 / off-topic posts removed ?? Thats really something to add to this discussion i must admit.. you are right on spot.. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:59:00 -
[1445] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:"not a peep", as in not a single post by a dev? Is that why there's a big fat blue dev arrow pointing towards this thread?
Wow. Well spotted.
Now if only you had the intelligience to see what was written.
No clarification has been offerred from CCP.
The only official communications that allude to the future of WiS are Hilmars contradictory remarks "Incarna is an essential part of EVE/ Incarna is on ice, we may get back to it". I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:31:00 -
[1446] - Quote
Nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with not having the bother to go through all the 62 pages in this thread.
That, and the assumption "offtopic posts removed" wouldn't be done by a dev, but a GM. Live and learn. vOv |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.09 07:16:00 -
[1447] - Quote
This is truly the thread that "may not be mentioned" by CCP!
I honestly think that can only mean on thing. There is a fundamental issue with the avatar rendering and animation engine that won't scale and render on hardware currently available on this plane of existence. nVidia sold CCP a barrel of snake oil and got them to bet on a tech science fair project and to deploy any more WiS on this tech would result in global fire storms as everyones PC catches on fire.
If this isn't a tech issue then I am sure we would at least have gotten some "weasel words" about getting back to WiS in some form soon.
Sadly the laws of physics have done CCP in.
I'm throwing down the gauntlet CCP, if it isn't a tech issue then put the WiS with multi-avatar in a station that you were so close to deploying on the test server so we can see it, even if it doesn't have interaction other than a lot of us walking around in a box.
Otherwise let us know when we see WiS re-coded on an engine that can be deployed.
Issler |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.09 08:28:00 -
[1448] - Quote
i think the real issue here is that CCP does not have the balls to roll out Incarna with the warning "We built Incarna using nvidia APEX it is super uber and if your pc is anything less than i7 extreme edition with water cooled superclocked gtx580 SLI, you will not be able to enjoy it, and a big LOL WELP in advance for all you people with ATI card you are shite out of luck" One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Reid Lutman
Intaki Armaments NEM3SIS.
2
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Posted - 2011.12.09 08:29:00 -
[1449] - Quote
I would like WIS to be completed sooner rather than later.
Sometime i like to log on and just sit in station. Would be nice if i could interact with other chars and maybe do a bit of gamblin'! |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.09 09:05:00 -
[1450] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:and a big LOL WELP in advance for all you people with ATI card you are shite out of luck" To be fair, this happens in literally every game released the past year.
(well ok, maybe not literally every game, but it certainly keeps sounding like it) |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.09 16:04:00 -
[1451] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:When I started this thread all I really wanted was a definitive response from CCP. A month later and how many supporting posts and not a peep.
Lame CCP!Issler
this
Cearain wrote:. Rek Seven wrote:No it's just that your ignorance annoys me. Maybe when you grow up a bit we can have an intelligent conversation...
Ah I see, until I too nag ccp about space barbies I will always be deemed immature, ignorrant and unintelligent. That's the criteria. Really I am not against having avatars do more. But right now the computer hardware is unlikely to support it - so why waste time pounding a round peg in a square hole? Moreover there is just huge amounts of work that needs to be done in making fw, low sec, and null sec work. Nothing has been happening in null for years. It seems the null mechanics favor carebearing over war. FW is all but abandonned for years and ccp has offered no idea what the plan is. Low sec ..... well need I say more? Its time for ccp to put incarna down for a while continue working on the core of the game
CCP did the last patch in 6 weeks give them 6 months and they could make the only FIS people very happy,and have enough time to give the FIS/WIS people just a little smile
But i wonder why 0.0 or low are so bad ,did the game changed over the years or the players wanting more? forgive me but just doing a little pvp lately sometimes in 0.0 and low,so experience on that is very low I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.09 16:28:00 -
[1452] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:But i wonder why 0.0 or low are so bad ,did the game changed over the years or the players wanting more? forgive me but just doing a little pvp lately sometimes in 0.0 and low,so experience on that is very low They changed the SOV system to one where a single loss by the attacker means their entire progress in a system is reset, and supercarriers and titans got a massive buff, making carriers and dreads all but obsolete, and to a certain extent subcaps which weren't dictors or cynofrigs.
Obviously the last bit is being a bit over the top and not to be taken literally, but it always sounds funny to say, while not being too far from the truth. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.12.09 16:48:00 -
[1453] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:When I started this thread all I really wanted was a definitive response from CCP. A month later and how many supporting posts and not a peep.
Lame CCP!Issler this Cearain wrote:. Rek Seven wrote:No it's just that your ignorance annoys me. Maybe when you grow up a bit we can have an intelligent conversation...
Ah I see, until I too nag ccp about space barbies I will always be deemed immature, ignorrant and unintelligent. That's the criteria. Really I am not against having avatars do more. But right now the computer hardware is unlikely to support it - so why waste time pounding a round peg in a square hole? Moreover there is just huge amounts of work that needs to be done in making fw, low sec, and null sec work. Nothing has been happening in null for years. It seems the null mechanics favor carebearing over war. FW is all but abandonned for years and ccp has offered no idea what the plan is. Low sec ..... well need I say more? Its time for ccp to put incarna down for a while continue working on the core of the game CCP did the last patch in 6 weeks give them 6 months and they could make the only FIS people very happy,and have enough time to give the FIS/WIS people just a little smile But i wonder why 0.0 or low are so bad ,did the game changed over the years or the players wanting more? forgive me but just doing a little pvp lately sometimes in 0.0 and low,so experience on that is very low
Its not like people who want ccp to focus on wis = 50% of eve and fis = 50%. When you people who want fis you are talking about large sections of the game. Yes I am glad ccp is working on fis. But that is just because they will kill eve if they continue to focus so much on wis as they have.
I really don't like allot of the changes in crucible. Destroyer buff is just makes gate camping easier - but the players wanted it. Implants on podkills just puts more emphasis on a mechanic that is broken (will you pod warp out or not) - but the players wanted it.
As for me I am in fw and the plexing is currently broken. Its been broken since the start. But I recognize that there aren't allot of people in fw so I am considerate of ccp working on other things. If we had 2 dev blogs leading up to crucible (like you had for wis) I would be thrilled.
Just like you think wis has tremendous potential, I think FW plexing would have tremendous potential to get new players. I would point out that FW plexing actually has game play mechanics that wouldn't fit in a space barbie mmo. Becasue it actually has this gameplay mechanic and its not just eyecandy I think it should have some priority.
As for what happened in null sec and why there are no more wars. I think that will depend on who you ask. But a common answer is that dominion broke null sec - by making it so there is no reason to go to war. (whether this answer is true or not I don't know) But either way its clear there is very little going on in null sec and ccp needs to do something. Or people will get bored and unsub. Not only will they unsub their null sec main characters but they will unsub their high sec alts.
That is why I think the op is really out of touch. The core of the game is what needs to be addressed and he along with 140 others are throwing a tantrum because they don't know when they will be able to stroll down a promenade. They demand an immediate response.
FW players do this sometimes too. Thats annoying as well but at least they want something with some substantial game play. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2011.12.09 16:56:00 -
[1454] - Quote
WiS, I have never seen such a long and drawn out major expansion of a game in which I literally got bored of it within 2 minutes of walking around. There simply isn't anything to do.
Make a station environment where you can gamble with your friends to pass the time and then I will be more interested. Until they implement an environment in which players can actually do something meaningful, CCP should focus on spaceships for the time being. I mean they can dedicate 10 or so people to WiS just like they did with FiS........ |
Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn
37
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:10:00 -
[1455] - Quote
I would like Wis aswell
I want corp meetings in avatar with my corp mates! |
Taak Coram
Outdated Host Productions
1
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:25:00 -
[1456] - Quote
I've had a bet riding on a game of SecWars with a corpie since they showed us that video. I love spaceships, been playing since '07, but I also love CCP's overarching vision of a "grand space mmo" where you can pew pew, dock up, and head off for some gambling.
Nothing wrong with having both. The majority of the arguments that "this is a space game spaceships only rawr" versus "this game needs more than spaceships I want to dress up my characters rawr" is very reminiscent of the whole Miners vs. PvPers argument that's been floating around for so long.
In any case, I too would like more WiS, but done well as others have said. I'm happy they finally re-realized their main purpose in the game, that being spaceships, but dammit I want to play some SecWars too. So yes, OP gets a like and a supporting post from me. Not that it means much. |
Beaches
Doomheim
38
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:28:00 -
[1457] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:This is truly the thread that "may not be mentioned" by CCP!
I honestly think that can only mean on thing. There is a fundamental issue with the avatar rendering and animation engine that won't scale and render on hardware currently available on this plane of existence. nVidia sold CCP a barrel of snake oil and got them to bet on a tech science fair project and to deploy any more WiS on this tech would result in global fire storms as everyones PC catches on fire.
If this isn't a tech issue then I am sure we would at least have gotten some "weasel words" about getting back to WiS in some form soon.
Sadly the laws of physics have done CCP in.
I'm throwing down the gauntlet CCP, if it isn't a tech issue then put the WiS with multi-avatar in a station that you were so close to deploying on the test server so we can see it, even if it doesn't have interaction other than a lot of us walking around in a box.
Otherwise let us know when we see WiS re-coded on an engine that can be deployed.
Issler
It is a tech issue, I'm pretty much as certain as I can be without working at CCP.
If I wasn't so jaded I would almost feel bad for them. But I can't, you know I would be happy tomorrow if they released the WiS of 08' fanfest. But they can't. So CCP has officially gone backwards.
It might as well be 2005 for WiS, but it's actually worse because now we're stuck with a non-functioning version which is going nowhere and needs to be replaced. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:40:00 -
[1458] - Quote
Quote:Its not like people who want ccp to focus on wis = 50% of eve and fis = 50%. When you people who want fis you are talking about large sections of the game. Yes I am glad ccp is working on fis. But that is just because they will kill eve if they continue to focus so much on wis as they have.
they changed alot in 6 weeks and i don,t ask for 50-50% split in resources for WIS ,foundations for WIS are there ,so i would be happy with a only a corpmeeting room after 6 months
Quote:I really don't like allot of the changes in crucible. Destroyer buff is just makes gate camping easier - but the players wanted it. Implants on podkills just puts more emphasis on a mechanic that is broken (will you pod warp out or not) - but the players wanted it.
A lot of players seem to be happy ,but i hope the next 6 months will bring more likes to this game for you and ohters like you
Quote:As for me I am in fw and the plexing is currently broken. Its been broken since the start. But I recognize that there aren't allot of people in fw so I am considerate of ccp working on other things. If we had 2 dev blogs leading up to crucible (like you had for wis) I would be thrilled.
Don,t know much about FW,sorry for that
Quote:Just like you think wis has tremendous potential, I think FW plexing would have tremendous potential to get new players. I would point out that FW plexing actually has game play mechanics that wouldn't fit in a space barbie mmo. Becasue it actually has this gameplay mechanic and its not just eyecandy I think it should have some priority.
ahh that space barbie ........... but ok, if both WIS and FW has potential ,then CCP missed 2 changes.
Quote:That is why I think the op is really out of touch. The core of the game is what needs to be addressed and he along with 140 others are throwing a tantrum because they don't know when they will be able to stroll down a promenade. They demand an immediate response.
again CCP stated crubicle is made in 6 weeks ,so for the next 6 months a lot can be done for FIS and FW and hopefully a little for WIS
Only FIS players i hope the next 6 months will give you more shiny space stuff FIS/WIS players i hope the next 6 months will give WIS just a little but enough love to keep everybody happy FW players the same goes for you I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Xtover
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
67
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:47:00 -
[1459] - Quote
Beaches wrote: If I wasn't so jaded I would almost feel bad for them. But I can't, you know I would be happy tomorrow if they released the WiS of 08' fanfest. But they can't. So CCP has officially gone backwards.
It might as well be 2005 for WiS, but it's actually worse because now we're stuck with a non-functioning version which is going nowhere and needs to be replaced.
What happened with that?
Didn't they have full stations modeled, and mini-games done?
Did all of that work get scrapped? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:53:00 -
[1460] - Quote
they displayed their vision and their promise of that on a borrowed gameengine and decided to make one of their own.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Asgaurd
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:55:00 -
[1461] - Quote
I would like WIS as I like to chill between PVP and at the moment i have to go to other sites to play poker and other games with my isk , It would be cool to have a place to hang out inbetween ops with games to play., but I dont want a state of the art unplayable enviroment , I would rather have somthing more basic at first, that can be developed and enhanced at a later date, without using all of ccp resources and neglecting the Space (most important) part of eve. just make it like the demo you showed us years ago that would be a step in the right direction. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:01:00 -
[1462] - Quote
Asgaurd wrote:I would like WIS as I like to chill between PVP and at the moment i have to go to other sites to play poker and other games with my isk , It would be cool to have a place to hang out inbetween ops with games to play., but I dont want a state of the art unplayable enviroment , I would rather have somthing more basic at first, that can be developed and enhanced at a later date, without using all of ccp resources and neglecting the Space (most important) part of eve. just make it like the demo you showed us years ago that would be a step in the right direction.
WIS didn,t take all of their recources ,Wod ,Dust and the NEX were using up Recourses as well.
and ofcourse stuff related to crubicle ,still can,t believe they did this in 6 weeks,but rushed it into completion to make players happy I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Beaches
Doomheim
38
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:03:00 -
[1463] - Quote
Xtover wrote: What happened with that?..Did all of that work get scrapped?
They changed engines, not only was the old work abandoned but even if they still had it, it would be worthless as they've completely redone the code since. The primary causal factor behind this apparently is that they wanted to begin work on an engine which could be used with WoD.
Xtover wrote: Didn't they have full stations modeled, and mini-games done?
Yes, I'm pretty sure the fanfest videos are still on youtube somewhere, there were strategy games, gambling, establishments, stations pretty much done. Mothermoon says she was able to scrape a lot of station modeling from the Incarna SiSi build. So they may have that work done here as well but the fundamental problem is that they cannot render multi-user environments with the Incarna engine. Realization of this problem occurred just before or just after the release of Incarna at least to the community although much before Devs questioned in private had revealed that 'they had no idea how they were going to make it work with multiple users'
The end result is, CCP plowed down this dead end road probably with the attitude that problems and hurdles would be overcome later in development. But alas, they cannot, it's not possible with this engine and we're stuck in our tiny cells because of it. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:12:00 -
[1464] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Asgaurd wrote:I would like WIS as I like to chill between PVP and at the moment i have to go to other sites to play poker and other games with my isk , It would be cool to have a place to hang out inbetween ops with games to play., but I dont want a state of the art unplayable enviroment , I would rather have somthing more basic at first, that can be developed and enhanced at a later date, without using all of ccp resources and neglecting the Space (most important) part of eve. just make it like the demo you showed us years ago that would be a step in the right direction. WIS didn,t take all of their recources ,Wod ,Dust and the NEX were using up Recourses as well. and ofcourse stuff related to crubicle ,still can,t believe they did this in 6 weeks,but rushed it into completion to make players happy
Actually wis was taking up the lionshare of their resources. CCP zulu had a dev blog on in in the summer of 2010.
That dev blog didn't go into how many devs were assigned to other games but it was a very large number of devs assigned to incarna.
Given that we can see that the devs are a good hardworking bunch based on the amount they kicked out for crucible it seems pretty clear that there are some difficult technical difficulties with developing incarna. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:06:00 -
[1465] - Quote
Beaches wrote:Xtover wrote: What happened with that?..Did all of that work get scrapped?
They changed engines, not only was the old work abandoned but even if they still had it, it would be worthless as they've completely redone the code since. The primary causal factor behind this apparently is that they wanted to begin work on an engine which could be used with WoD. Xtover wrote: Didn't they have full stations modeled, and mini-games done?
Yes, I'm pretty sure the fanfest videos are still on youtube somewhere, there were strategy games, gambling, establishments, stations pretty much done. Mothermoon says she was able to scrape a lot of station modeling from the Incarna SiSi build. So they may have that work done here as well but the fundamental problem is that they cannot render multi-user environments with the Incarna engine. Realization of this problem occurred just before or just after the release of Incarna at least to the community although much before Devs questioned in private had revealed that 'they had no idea how they were going to make it work with multiple users' The end result is, CCP plowed down this dead end road probably with the attitude that problems and hurdles would be overcome later in development. But alas, they cannot, it's not possible with this engine and we're stuck in our tiny cells because of it.
There has been a lot of speculation as to whether there is a tech issue holding up Incarna development. So far, that is all it is, speculation.
We really don't know how Incarna scales yet. We don't know if our Avatar models put a huge amount of strain on it, or if it being linked to our hangers does, or if in fact that this is an issue for the engine at all.
I would say it is much more likely that the lack of comment is due entirely to PR reasons. CCP has a legitimate concern that anything they say about Incarna at the moment is likely to raise a storm of controversy... which is something they very much want to avoid for now.
Much better for them to wait, let people enjoy the new expansion, let old wounds heal. Develop another expansion based primarily around FIS content and Dust Integration and see how things stand. Once the Dust controversy (you know it's inevitable even if it's integration goes perfectly) sorts itself out they should have a pretty good idea if it's safe to broach the subject again. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Xtover
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
67
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:40:00 -
[1466] - Quote
Beaches wrote: The end result is, CCP plowed down this dead end road probably with the attitude that problems and hurdles would be overcome later in development. But alas, they cannot, it's not possible with this engine and we're stuck in our tiny cells because of it.
So they built a rocket before inventing the engine? |
Beaches
Doomheim
38
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:47:00 -
[1467] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: There has been a lot of speculation as to whether there is a tech issue holding up Incarna development. So far, that is all it is, speculation.
We really don't know how Incarna scales yet. We don't know if our Avatar models put a huge amount of strain on it, or if it being linked to our hangers does, or if in fact that this is an issue for the engine at all.
I would say it is much more likely that the lack of comment is due entirely to PR reasons. CCP has a legitimate concern that anything they say about Incarna at the moment is likely to raise a storm of controversy... which is something they very much want to avoid for now.
Much better for them to wait, let people enjoy the new expansion, let old wounds heal. Develop another expansion based primarily around FIS content and Dust Integration and see how things stand. Once the Dust controversy (you know it's inevitable even if it's integration goes perfectly) sorts itself out they should have a pretty good idea if it's safe to broach the subject again.
I would like for that to be the only thing to it but one aspect of Incarna which caused so much anger was that it offered no content. Then the 'speculation' about if it could offer content. I don't know anything for certain but I think that CCP could have thrown a few buckets of water on the flames by showing us all the content it would bring. Wouldn't they want to show us that it wasn't a complete failure? Their silence is pretty telling. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
150
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Posted - 2011.12.09 23:42:00 -
[1468] - Quote
Revii Lagoon wrote:WiS, I have never seen such a long and drawn out major expansion of a game in which I literally got bored of it within 2 minutes of walking around. There simply isn't anything to do.
Make a station environment where you can gamble with your friends to pass the time and then I will be more interested. Until they implement an environment in which players can actually do something meaningful, CCP should focus on spaceships for the time being. I mean they can dedicate 10 or so people to WiS just like they did with FiS........
If I wish to gamble then I go to Betfair If I wish to take a ship and soar amongst the stars I go to EVE
I wouldn't wish Betfair to give me spaceships, so why would I wish CCP give me gambling? |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.10 00:09:00 -
[1469] - Quote
I hate to break this to all you Barbie dress-up people, but you are not going to see WIS in any enjoyable/playable fashion anytime soon unless or until:
1) EVE becomes a fat golden goose for CCP again, enabling them to staff and fund 3 different and sophisticated projects simultaneously like they were when Incarna was released.
2) Dust 514 is a huge success.
3) Players stop noticing when CCP takes 2 years off from doing real development of FIS and also keep subscribing during that whole time.
We have what we have now because CCP's management bit off more than it could chew, and gambled that players would swallow a half baked "expansion" that included a ham-fisted attempt at introducing MT into a subscription game. Because there is next to no competition for them in their niche market, it was probably easy for them to believe they could pull it off. Sometimes when you gamble, you lose.
The only reason CCP got so much done with FIS with the Crucible patch in such a short time is because they are fighting to keep their jobs during a bad worldwide economy after receiving lots of bad PR and a significant reduction in their subscription revenue.
For those of you who have only been around a couple of years or less, the TL DR version is this:
CCP promises a lot of stuff, but they only sometimes get around to delivering and finishing said stuff. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.10 05:48:00 -
[1470] - Quote
CCP apparently stopped WIS with the four rooms already made.
They just cut off a lot of expantations for those who were interessed in WIS in an instance What i want to know what expantations they had,in timeline and release of other stuff related to WIS thats the least info they could give,even without mentioning if they could or could not continue with the devolepment of WIS
edit for those refering to Space barbies it must be Station barbies that 1 room don,t have a lot of space I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Amir Darre
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.12.10 07:52:00 -
[1471] - Quote
I think WIS is a good idea but not to go overboards with pets etc.
I like the idea of a corp room being built into a station, so you can hang out with corp buddies. fun fun
Well yeah thats my 2 cents lol |
Grukni
Shimai of New Eden
47
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Posted - 2011.12.10 10:20:00 -
[1472] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Beaches wrote:Xtover wrote: What happened with that?..Did all of that work get scrapped?
They changed engines, not only was the old work abandoned but even if they still had it, it would be worthless as they've completely redone the code since. The primary causal factor behind this apparently is that they wanted to begin work on an engine which could be used with WoD. Xtover wrote: Didn't they have full stations modeled, and mini-games done?
Yes, I'm pretty sure the fanfest videos are still on youtube somewhere, there were strategy games, gambling, establishments, stations pretty much done. Mothermoon says she was able to scrape a lot of station modeling from the Incarna SiSi build. So they may have that work done here as well but the fundamental problem is that they cannot render multi-user environments with the Incarna engine. Realization of this problem occurred just before or just after the release of Incarna at least to the community although much before Devs questioned in private had revealed that 'they had no idea how they were going to make it work with multiple users' The end result is, CCP plowed down this dead end road probably with the attitude that problems and hurdles would be overcome later in development. But alas, they cannot, it's not possible with this engine and we're stuck in our tiny cells because of it. There has been a lot of speculation as to whether there is a tech issue holding up Incarna development. So far, that is all it is, speculation. We really don't know how Incarna scales yet. We don't know if our Avatar models put a huge amount of strain on it, or if it being linked to our hangers does, or if in fact that this is an issue for the engine at all. .
A hint: In the fanfest video you can see a Nvidia representative saying that within 5 years it will be possible to render 100 concurrent avatars (quoting the Moore's law). I don't think they can now render more than 5 avatars at the same time on a modern machine with the Carbon engine and its detail. |
Beaches
Doomheim
38
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Posted - 2011.12.10 10:23:00 -
[1473] - Quote
I'm watching Locked Up Abroad, I'm hoping the drug smuggling in WiS is a bit like this. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.11 05:17:00 -
[1474] - Quote
Grukni wrote: A hint: In the fanfest video you can see a Nvidia representative saying that within 5 years it will be possible to render 100 concurrent avatars (quoting the Moore's law). I don't think they can now render more than 5 avatars at the same time on a modern machine with the Carbon engine and its detail.
Hopefully they will reveal the multiplayer environments at fanfest. (With multiple players in them, not just the environment itself"
CCP, care to comment?
You know instead of adding a new feature with the next big expansion, it would great to see existing features brought closer to the original vision that was promoted with each feature.
Like Planetary Interaction 2.0 (remember that dust will only involve null sec planets) The multi-player establishments. Null Sec revamp. The mining and exploration changes that have been talk about forever. Faction war\fare 2.0
I know the above is just the product of my currently fevered imagination. But how awesome would it be?
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.11 09:57:00 -
[1475] - Quote
CCP? you are there? hello? I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.11 10:30:00 -
[1476] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:CCP? you are there? hello?
Not there, not expected to be. I'm gonna write Meissa Anunthiel to see wether they talked about WiS at the meeting. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.11 10:39:00 -
[1477] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:CCP? you are there? hello? Not there, not expected to be. I'm gonna write Meissa Anunthiel to see wether they talked about WiS at the meeting.
thank you ,if they are allowed to talk bout it.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Adamonus
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.12.11 11:38:00 -
[1478] - Quote
Well I think the truth is:
If it takes too much time, it will be outdated soon. Burned beyond recognition.
The socializing-mmo aspect has become very important and popular the last years, ccp realized this fast, ok - but if people do not find it in eve, they will seek it in other games ofc.
Maybe it was too early to release CQ...I mean if progress is really stopped now...how long will player like to sit in their "prisons" and doing....yes doing nothing? So probably the "fire" and enthusiasm for/about WIS will be as fast over as it started..if nothing more is "feeded" within next year..
To say: "WIS developements are stopped" (and yes I personal believe that because its a little bit too silent about CCP chilliad - who was officially announced as the "CQ-pioneer") could be dangerous at this time, if all CCP-created community expectations are just meeting up developement stagnations (no matter which way)
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Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
114
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Posted - 2011.12.11 12:29:00 -
[1479] - Quote
From what I read Incarna is at 15 to 20% of its original crew but still working slowly on its original design. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.11 12:34:00 -
[1480] - Quote
Personally, I would say stop trying to make the tech superduper awesome, and just go for solid mechanics and then, if you must, go for graphics gee-wizzery. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.11 12:36:00 -
[1481] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:From what I read Incarna is at 15 to 20% of its original crew but still working slowly on its original design.
fine with me,but its speculation.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:07:00 -
[1482] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Personally, I would say stop trying to make the tech superduper awesome, and just go for solid mechanics and then, if you must, go for graphics gee-wizzery.
about solid mechanics ,CCP made crucible a first step towards a solid mechanics playable EVE they done this in 6 weeks ,according to CCP itself
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
viziel
Sarum Industrial Cartel
1
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:24:00 -
[1483] - Quote
I WANT WiS. I'm not a fan of pvp, could care less about it. The more pve content the better. And ya, I know EvE isn't a pve game. But welcome to the sandbox, its what we make it.
I WANT WiS to be functional. I have CQ now, I dont use it, because after the initial usage you realize that there is nothing offered but I believe in the concept of it and I REALLY appreciate the devs expanding the game in a new direction.
We have seen some of their ideas for WiS, and we know that Dust is coming. This only seems natural. The amount of complaining to me (and this is only from my perspective of the game) seems immature.
I've put in my .02ISK |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:43:00 -
[1484] - Quote
hmmm Dust,did i pay for it? hmmm no!!! and still people are happy with Dust ,but not happy with WIS for EVE on the PC
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Psychophantic
217
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:45:00 -
[1485] - Quote
Still looking forward to establishments and dealing with poker cheaters. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.11 14:10:00 -
[1486] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:about solid mechanics ,CCP made crucible a first step towards a solid mechanics playable EVE they done this in 6 weeks ,according to CCP itself Nah, they've fixed a lot of small niggly issues, added a few ships and changed a few database values in that time. I hope the next expansion will be where they make nullsec good, mechanically, so they can move on to make WiS good, mechanically.
viziel wrote:I'm not a fan of pvp, could care less about it. If you could care less about PVP, why don't you? |
Beaches
Doomheim
38
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Posted - 2011.12.11 14:30:00 -
[1487] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:about solid mechanics ,CCP made crucible a first step towards a solid mechanics playable EVE they done this in 6 weeks ,according to CCP itself Nah, they've fixed a lot of small niggly issues, added a few ships and changed a few database values in that time. I hope the next expansion will be where they make nullsec good, mechanically, so they can move on to make WiS good, mechanically. viziel wrote:I'm not a fan of pvp, could care less about it. If you could care less about PVP, why don't you?
I think 0.0 is doomed for as long as goons are the hegemon , or the player base learns Russian. Isn't their top intel channel based on the cartoon 'My Little Pony' unless most of us bump our heads and regress back to early in our development we're locked out (TEST isn't much better). Mechanic wise? Blobs, Super Caps, Bots, RMT and Bubbles; I think this is how CCP wants it to work and it's not attractive to most (when will CCP understand it's inherently unappealing?) . 0.0 isn't worth development over ANYTHING in my estimation because the players have already clearly drawn a line in the sand and said "no thanks" 0.0 denizens are a small minority, unworthy of any sort of priority. For those who think it's some sort of end game are clueless and should do back to WoW (they have ponies there to I think.) |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.11 14:36:00 -
[1488] - Quote
Spoken like someone with a vast and intimate knowledge of 0.0. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.11 14:48:00 -
[1489] - Quote
so the end game is avatars /emoting each other? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Beaches
Doomheim
38
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Posted - 2011.12.11 15:08:00 -
[1490] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:so the end game is avatars /emoting each other?
There is no end game it's a sandbox you clueless twit.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.11 15:10:00 -
[1491] - Quote
but youse the twit who thought 0.0 was the endgame One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Beaches
Doomheim
38
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Posted - 2011.12.11 15:15:00 -
[1492] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:but youse the twit who thought 0.0 was the endgame
No you're just ******** and can't read, now go run along and work on downing the final sansha dragon and save all of eve little goon. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.11 15:20:00 -
[1493] - Quote
barbie is mad because there's no beach house for him One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.11 16:16:00 -
[1494] - Quote
hmm even the goonswarm is keeping this thread up,the Mittani must love WIS I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.11 16:29:00 -
[1495] - Quote
Confirming that The Mittani is pulling my strings. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.11 17:00:00 -
[1496] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Confirming that The Mittani is giving me a wedgie.
fixed that
OOOw and also hey CCP are you there?
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.11 17:02:00 -
[1497] - Quote
You mean boner, not wedgie, surely. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.11 17:07:00 -
[1498] - Quote
heheheheh lol
thank you for keeping this thread alive m8 I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.12 07:51:00 -
[1499] - Quote
A good goon wouldn't be posting on eve-o, let alone bumping a thread that threatens the sentiments of the great leader. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.12 17:23:00 -
[1500] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:A good goon wouldn't be posting on eve-o, let alone bumping a thread that threatens the sentiments of the great leader.
Good goons exist? but hey CCP are you there?
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Karthwritte
Darthrin Storm Enterprise Drunken Capsuleers
31
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Posted - 2011.12.12 17:30:00 -
[1501] - Quote
The last thing I care or want right now is WiS. Wait, what is WiS? A new drug?
But at the end CCP should say and fight for : "NO FEATURE SHALL BE UNCOMPLETE!" |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.12 17:37:00 -
[1502] - Quote
Karthwritte wrote:The last thing I care or want right now is WiS. Wait, what is WiS? A new drug?
But at the end CCP should say and fight for : "NO FEATURE SHALL BE UNCOMPLETE!"
CCP decided to do a step by step implantation ,so blame CCP for something uncomplete.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.12 17:59:00 -
[1503] - Quote
I was one of those people that wanted the **** out of Incarna, but after they launched it, I was so disappointed that I quit Eve until they launched Crucible.
Incarna was NOTHING they promised it would be, years ago.
Instead they added some stupid clothes RMT crap...
We were told that we would be allowed to manufacture clothes and other Incarna related things LIKE WE MAKE SHIPS AND AMMO AND MODULES, not that you would add ******* 70 euro monocles and other bullshit like that, not to mention that the station part was not even added at all. People want a finished expansion when you launch it, not some crap that is obviously not finished and it feels like a quick cash grab. Seriously, Incarna felt like one of those **** games Cryptic makes just for a quick buck, you know, STO and CO and **** that goes F2P after less than 6 months like that...
No wonder you lost a **** LOAD of players, most bone headed expansion EVER. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.12 18:14:00 -
[1504] - Quote
Freezehunter wrote:I was one of those people that wanted the **** out of Incarna, but after they launched it, I was so disappointed that I quit Eve until they launched Crucible.
Incarna was NOTHING they promised it would be, years ago.
Instead they added some stupid clothes RMT crap...
We were told that we would be allowed to manufacture clothes and other Incarna related things LIKE WE MAKE SHIPS AND AMMO AND MODULES, not that you would add ******* 70 euro monocles and other bullshit like that, not to mention that the station part was not even added at all. People want a finished expansion when you launch it, not some crap that is obviously not finished and it feels like a quick cash grab. Seriously, Incarna felt like one of those **** games Cryptic makes just for a quick buck, you know, STO and CO and **** that goes F2P after less than 6 months like that...
No wonder you lost a **** LOAD of players, most bone headed expansion EVER.
yeah i want that sterling shirt you have for free also
Ambulation was just a part of Incarna , the rage was about nex and some leaked stuff Saying Incarna was an Expansion with giving us the locked door added also
All i want to know what CCP expantations were before the panic shut down of WIS I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Jeami
Doomheim
8
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Posted - 2011.12.12 18:57:00 -
[1505] - Quote
Freezehunter wrote:I was one of those people that wanted the **** out of Incarna, but after they launched it, I was so disappointed that I quit Eve until they launched Crucible.
Incarna was NOTHING they promised it would be, years ago.
Instead they added some stupid clothes RMT crap...
We were told that we would be allowed to manufacture clothes and other Incarna related things LIKE WE MAKE SHIPS AND AMMO AND MODULES, not that you would add ******* 70 euro monocles and other bullshit like that, not to mention that the station part was not even added at all. People want a finished expansion when you launch it, not some crap that is obviously not finished and it feels like a quick cash grab. Seriously, Incarna felt like one of those **** games Cryptic makes just for a quick buck, you know, STO and CO and **** that goes F2P after less than 6 months like that...
No wonder you lost a **** LOAD of players, most bone headed expansion EVER.
This was CCP Soundwave and Hellmar's decision I believe.
Soundwave never understood WiS or the player economy, player written universe and referred to it as dress-up months before it was even released. Hellmar 's part was the unabashed greed. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
55
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Posted - 2011.12.12 20:37:00 -
[1506] - Quote
Jeami wrote:Freezehunter wrote:I was one of those people that wanted the **** out of Incarna, but after they launched it, I was so disappointed that I quit Eve until they launched Crucible. This was CCP Soundwave and Hellmar's decision I believe. Soundwave never understood WiS or the player economy, player written universe and referred to it as dress-up months before it was even released. Hellmar 's part was the unabashed greed.
Soundwave is right tho isn't he. It IS "dress up", dress up to impress.
one word: STANDINGS
There is limited scope to awe other players with your isk acquiring / destroying prowess out in space, indoors - if INCARNA goes the way I think it is headed - you will see the awe in the body language of all around you. That should satisfy the ego of the most narcissistic psychopath amongst us (let's face it EVE is the place where we can fly free).
I don't think many of you have grasped the scope of what is being achieved in this social interaction game. I agree that the ball has been dropped in letting the FiS features stagnate but the WiS features are being built as part of the core of a number of games on different platforms.
It is hard to resist showing off what you have built to-date. It is even harder to get kicked in the teeth by being told what you are working on it crap by your established audience. It takes courage and fortitude to pursue a vision despite setbacks and I believe CCP are wiser and stronger than their current player base.
Although I currently have CQ features switched off at the moment I have nothing but praise for the direction they are headed.
You can only accomplish so much with the resources you have. I don't understand the lay-offs, but I'm not looking at the balance sheets.
In Sootyesq summary; FiSy WiSy let's get busy.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.12 21:47:00 -
[1507] - Quote
Snowflake Tem wrote:Jeami wrote:Freezehunter wrote:I was one of those people that wanted the **** out of Incarna, but after they launched it, I was so disappointed that I quit Eve until they launched Crucible. This was CCP Soundwave and Hellmar's decision I believe. Soundwave never understood WiS or the player economy, player written universe and referred to it as dress-up months before it was even released. Hellmar 's part was the unabashed greed. Soundwave is right tho isn't he. It IS "dress up", dress up to impress. one word: STANDINGS There is limited scope to awe other players with your isk acquiring / destroying prowess out in space, indoors - if INCARNA goes the way I think it is headed - you will see the awe in the body language of all around you. That should satisfy the ego of the most narcissistic psychopath amongst us (let's face it EVE is the place where we can fly free). I don't think many of you have grasped the scope of what is being achieved in this social interaction game. I agree that the ball has been dropped in letting the FiS features stagnate but the WiS features are being built as part of the core of a number of games on different platforms. It is hard to resist showing off what you have built to-date. It is even harder to get kicked in the teeth by being told what you are working on it crap by your established audience. It takes courage and fortitude to pursue a vision despite setbacks and I believe CCP are wiser and stronger than their current player base. Although I currently have CQ features switched off at the moment I have nothing but praise for the direction they are headed. You can only accomplish so much with the resources you have. I don't understand the lay-offs, but I'm not looking at the balance sheets. In Sootyesq summary; FiSy WiSy let's get busy.
Whats was or is CCP,s vision on this subject? i know CCP had to do a lot of damage control after Incarna. At least they could share this vision they had after the Incarna release until the had to shut down WIS in panic mode I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.12 21:52:00 -
[1508] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Snowflake Tem wrote:Jeami wrote:Freezehunter wrote:I was one of those people that wanted the **** out of Incarna, but after they launched it, I was so disappointed that I quit Eve until they launched Crucible. This was CCP Soundwave and Hellmar's decision I believe. Soundwave never understood WiS or the player economy, player written universe and referred to it as dress-up months before it was even released. Hellmar 's part was the unabashed greed. Soundwave is right tho isn't he. It IS "dress up", dress up to impress. one word: STANDINGS There is limited scope to awe other players with your isk acquiring / destroying prowess out in space, indoors - if INCARNA goes the way I think it is headed - you will see the awe in the body language of all around you. That should satisfy the ego of the most narcissistic psychopath amongst us (let's face it EVE is the place where we can fly free). I don't think many of you have grasped the scope of what is being achieved in this social interaction game. I agree that the ball has been dropped in letting the FiS features stagnate but the WiS features are being built as part of the core of a number of games on different platforms. It is hard to resist showing off what you have built to-date. It is even harder to get kicked in the teeth by being told what you are working on it crap by your established audience. It takes courage and fortitude to pursue a vision despite setbacks and I believe CCP are wiser and stronger than their current player base. Although I currently have CQ features switched off at the moment I have nothing but praise for the direction they are headed. You can only accomplish so much with the resources you have. I don't understand the lay-offs, but I'm not looking at the balance sheets. In Sootyesq summary; FiSy WiSy let's get busy. Whats was or is CCP,s vision on this subject? i know CCP had to do a lot of damage control after Incarna. At least they could share this vision they had after the Incarna release until the had to shut down WIS in panic mode
Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies and bullshit about their incarna *vision* there. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.12 22:05:00 -
[1509] - Quote
Quote:Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies an bullshit about their incarna *vision* there.
I don,t think they are lies ,and that vision on WIS that time was great . Incarna had only a single room portion of WIS . Only 1 thing left for CCP is to tell us if that vision is still alive I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.12 22:11:00 -
[1510] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Quote:Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies an bullshit about their incarna *vision* there. I don,t think they are lies ,and that vision on WIS that time was great . Incarna had only a single room portion of WIS . Only 1 thing left for CCP is to tell us if that vision is still alive
I edited that post 2 seconds after I made it, and I wrote half a page, detailing how CCP broke pretty much every promise they made in all the fanfests up to Incarna's launch, and how it all turned out to be just a 70 euro monocle BS cash grab instead of all the awesome things they promised.
When I clicked post, the whole ******* thing got eaten up by the *we were ganked* crap, so I won't bother writing all that again. Just take my word for it.
Also, how the **** did Eve's forum become so ****? I NEVER had these problems on the old forum. What's with developers and making ******* broken Facebook copies for their forums these days? (Eve gate for Eve and Battlelog for BF 3 being just 2 examples...) They NEVER ******* work properly... Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.12 22:22:00 -
[1511] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Quote:Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies an bullshit about their incarna *vision* there. I don,t think they are lies ,and that vision on WIS that time was great . Incarna had only a single room portion of WIS . Only 1 thing left for CCP is to tell us if that vision is still alive
The whole point I had with this thread! Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS.
What about it CCP, we want it and want to know your future plans!!
Issler |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.12 22:41:00 -
[1512] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Quote:Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies an bullshit about their incarna *vision* there. I don,t think they are lies ,and that vision on WIS that time was great . Incarna had only a single room portion of WIS . Only 1 thing left for CCP is to tell us if that vision is still alive The whole point I had with this thread! Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS. What about it CCP, we want it and want to know your future plans!! Issler
Can you figure if we take the 2,000 Aurum and in the next few months CCP trolls us and removes the whole NEx feature...? What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Severian Carnifex
105
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Posted - 2011.12.13 00:04:00 -
[1513] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Quote:Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies an bullshit about their incarna *vision* there. I don,t think they are lies ,and that vision on WIS that time was great . Incarna had only a single room portion of WIS . Only 1 thing left for CCP is to tell us if that vision is still alive The whole point I had with this thread! Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS. What about it CCP, we want it and want to know your future plans!! Issler Can you figure if we take the 2,000 Aurum and in the next few months CCP trolls us and removes the whole NEx feature...?
About CSM... **** it... It don't represents me. It represents the most of 0,1% of EVE players and their word don't worth a squat. And it CCP should see that. CCP MUST DEVELOP AND INTEGRATE WIS INTO EVE!!!
And about 2000 AUR for holidays. I believe in CCP. I believe in WiS. I'll take Aurum. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.13 00:09:00 -
[1514] - Quote
Severian Carnifex wrote:About CSM... **** it... It don't represents me. So, you didn't vote? |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:19:00 -
[1515] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:About CSM... **** it... It don't represents me. So, you didn't vote?
Just because you vote doesn't mean you are going to be represented.
The only problem with the CSM is that they get carried away making statements for the 'whole playerbase' when they can only claim to represent their constituents. There's nothing wrong with what they are asking for, only when it's members act like their concerns should be prioritised above everything else.
In any case. Some CSM members do want to see Incarna reach it's potential. They just don't want it to do so at the expense of other parts of EVE.
There are lots of areas of EVE that need work. Just need to prioritise appropriately.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
137
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:50:00 -
[1516] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:About CSM... **** it... It don't represents me. So, you didn't vote? Just because you vote doesn't mean you are going to be represented. The only problem with the CSM is that they get carried away making statements for the 'whole playerbase' when they can only claim to represent their constituents. There's nothing wrong with what they are asking for, only when it's members act like their concerns should be prioritised above everything else. In any case. Some CSM members do want to see Incarna reach it's potential. They just don't want it to do so at the expense of other parts of EVE. There are lots of areas of EVE that need work. Just need to prioritise appropriately.
The problem is not with the CSMs, the problem is CCP seems to have neither a long term vision or the courage of their own convictions.
They seem to blow in the customer wind. The problem with that is customers don't look out 2-5 years, they look at the next content patch, and if in 2-5 years the game sucks, they will just quit and play something else.
In 1 years WiS should be complete In 2-3 years we should be on planets as well, not just "dust like", but also exploring, arial pew pew and so forth In 3-5 years we should be walking in and manning multi player ships
If in 5 years, 10 content patches, we have 20 new ships and some other half finished stuff, this game is dead. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:54:00 -
[1517] - Quote
Crystal Liche wrote:
The problem is not with the CSMs, the problem is CCP seems to have neither a long term vision or the courage of their own convictions.
They seem to blow in the customer wind. The problem with that is customers don't look out 2-5 years, they look at the next content patch, and if in 2-5 years the game sucks, they will just quit and play something else.
In 1 years WiS should be complete In 2-3 years we should be on planets as well, not just "dust like", but also exploring, arial pew pew and so forth In 3-5 years we should be walking in and manning multi player ships
If in 5 years, 10 content patches, we have 20 new ships and some other half finished stuff, this game is dead.
Yet still offer vastly more game-play and possibilities then anything else. That said. Its not for everyone. People who perceive life as meaningless waiting for death with time to time "burst of fun", which is mostly managed by them internally and therefore "not-natural" / concrete is natural so i use not-natural loosely / are the one who will stay in EVE, because essentially life in EVE is as meaningless as real life. |
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
137
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:19:00 -
[1518] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Crystal Liche wrote:
The problem is not with the CSMs, the problem is CCP seems to have neither a long term vision or the courage of their own convictions.
They seem to blow in the customer wind. The problem with that is customers don't look out 2-5 years, they look at the next content patch, and if in 2-5 years the game sucks, they will just quit and play something else.
In 1 years WiS should be complete In 2-3 years we should be on planets as well, not just "dust like", but also exploring, arial pew pew and so forth In 3-5 years we should be walking in and manning multi player ships
If in 5 years, 10 content patches, we have 20 new ships and some other half finished stuff, this game is dead.
Yet still offer vastly more game-play and possibilities then anything else. That said. ... removed bs mental profile....
That is EXACTLY what they said about UO.
EA let their customers talk them out of a new UI
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Gabriel Leinhart
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 04:39:00 -
[1519] - Quote
I definitively want it, I subbed to the game when I heard about it because I love the idea of it being a full sci-fi simulator not just a space sim |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.13 04:47:00 -
[1520] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS. It's always nice to see our elected officials doing the right thing.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
169
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Posted - 2011.12.13 09:49:00 -
[1521] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS. It's always nice to see our elected officials doing the right thing.
Yea... they represents you and other five EVE players... CSM is one big nothing!!! |
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
44
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Posted - 2011.12.13 10:02:00 -
[1522] - Quote
Hopefully there is some information on whether or not CCP is still working on WiS soon. I do hope they bring all these nice features they announced years ago. It will make Eve a richer place and attract and bind lots of new players.
Eve Sims - get it on! :D
And forget about 0.0 CSM, sure they wont support WiS, they rather want more 0.0 upgrades to satisfy their greed. |
KFenn
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
171
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Posted - 2011.12.13 10:55:00 -
[1523] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS. It's always nice to see our elected officials doing the right thing. Yea... they represents you and other five EVE players... CSM is one big nothing!!!
Yeah, those 5 EVE players that took part in the forum rage, the Jita protests et al. Oh no, wait. That was a few more. Actually come to think of it that was thousands of players, wasn't it. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
114
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Posted - 2011.12.13 11:21:00 -
[1524] - Quote
I want WiS establishments. I want to control what I sell to who. If I sell a Bunch of stuff at Jita prices in Null sec for my alliance mates for War time I don't want Joe space sniping my goods and putting them on with an additional 100% mark up.
It is 20 items. we are not talking a Comodities market like jita, I am talking about a Small store with only 500 visitors not 370k of visitors.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
169
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Posted - 2011.12.13 11:27:00 -
[1525] - Quote
KFenn wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS. It's always nice to see our elected officials doing the right thing. Yea... they represents you and other five EVE players... CSM is one big nothing!!! Yeah, those 5 EVE players that took part in the forum rage, the Jita protests et al. Oh no, wait. That was a few more. Actually come to think of it that was thousands of players, wasn't it.
5 is part of 350.000 too... if you didn't know basic math... (5 is number of CSM represented players, 350.000 is number of EVE players)
And ppl that were raging... yea... there was like few thousands... and few of that few thousands have delegate in CSM. And about that few thousands... jita cant handle more then 2000ppl, and that 2000 were not all shooters, so say 1500 (and that i said too much) and 500 more in amarr... so 2000 people raging... lets say they have 2 more alts... thats 6000 accounts. EVE have 350.000 accounts... that's 0.017% of accounts - you can boost that numbers as you like and you will not pass 0.1% of player base.
And even that ppl were not ranging about WiS, they were ranging about golden ammo... so 99.99% of ppl are ok with or for WiS. |
KFenn
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
171
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Posted - 2011.12.13 11:31:00 -
[1526] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:5 is part of 350.000 too... if you didn't know basic math... (5 is number of CSM represented players, 350.000 is number of EVE players)
And ppl that were raging... yea... there was like few thousands... and few of that few thousands have delegate in CSM. And about that few thousands... jita cant handle more then 2000ppl, and that 2000 were not all shooters, so say 1500 (and that i said too much) and 500 more in amarr... so 2000 people raging... lets say they have 2 more alts... thats 6000 accounts. EVE have 350.000 accounts... that's 0.017% of accounts - you can boost that numbers as you like and you will not pass 0.1% of player base.
What? The majority of it was forum rage. average players online dropped by 10K, and number of accounts doesn't equal number of people playing. That's a fairly useless number in regards to this. Use real reasoning and tangible figures please.
Avila Cracko wrote:And even that ppl were not ranging about WiS, they were ranging about golden ammo... so 99.99% of ppl are ok with or for WiS.
[citation needed] Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.13 11:35:00 -
[1527] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:And even that ppl were not ranging about WiS, they were ranging about golden ammo... so 99.99% of ppl are ok with or for WiS. Are you talking about the concept of WiS, or what WiS is at this point in time? Because I think even mittens is absolutely fine, and probably even supports, the concept of WiS, what he definitely seemed annoyed with was the actual implementation. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.13 11:37:00 -
[1528] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:And even that ppl were not ranging about WiS, they were ranging about golden ammo... so 99.99% of ppl are ok with or for WiS. Are you talking about the concept of WiS, or what WiS is at this point in time? Because I think even mittens is absolutely fine, and probably even supports, the concept of WiS, what he definitely seemed annoyed with was the actual implementation.
well WiS wasnt implemented yet... One room for your character is hardly something to look forward in multiplayer game.
Ambulation ... |
bornaa
GRiD.
107
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Posted - 2011.12.13 11:43:00 -
[1529] - Quote
Only one thought. WiS haters cant hide behind that protests numbers and say that that was their protests. If there were not "Golden ammo" talk you would pull 0 ppl "on the streets".
If you want to prove that ppl dont want WiS - organize anti-WiS protests. I sure want to see 10 ships shooting Jita statue and laugh at their face |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.13 11:44:00 -
[1530] - Quote
Out of curiosity, what do the CSM do?
I though they were supposed to act as a voice for the community and relay the wants of the players to CCP but they don't seem to do much at all. |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.13 12:27:00 -
[1531] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:And even that ppl were not ranging about WiS, they were ranging about golden ammo... so 99.99% of ppl are ok with or for WiS. Are you talking about the concept of WiS, or what WiS is at this point in time? Because I think even mittens is absolutely fine, and probably even supports, the concept of WiS, what he definitely seemed annoyed with was the actual implementation. well WiS wasnt implemented yet... One room for your character is hardly something to look forward in multiplayer game. Ambulation ... Well, CCP kept said WiS is coming, WiS is coming, and I can only assume Mittens got a look at what CCP had in store for WiS. What we got was CQ or a :foreveralone: door, it's no wonder Mittens reacted to it with scorn. Hell, no wonder there were negative reactions across the board. Add to that the gold ammo debacle, etc etc etc etc etc, and it was just a **** expansion from start to finish which pissed off, if not everybody, then at least a vast majority of the players.
Now we've got crucible, and players are mostly appeased with the direction CCP is heading in again, and it seems that the immediate danger of EVE sinking has passed, and now apparently they're done with hunting the jesus and going for solidifying the EVE experience.
I see nowhere that CCP have absolutely cancelled the idea of finalizing WiS, what I've seen is more that they realized that the game as a whole was in more danger than they'd hoped, and that they needed to concentrate on, and fix, what kept the current playerbase happy before they could carry on with their future vision. I'm fairly certain that they're still working on WiS, just at a slightly reduced rate.
Rek Seven wrote:Out of curiosity, what do the CSM do?
I though they were supposed to act as a voice for the community and relay the wants of the players to CCP but they don't seem to do much at all. I believe it's been said multiple times that the CSM is more a sounding board for CCP, but that they also try to advocate good ideas from the playerbase. There's been a few CSM reps who've put up threads asking for input on ideas to take to CCP. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.13 12:35:00 -
[1532] - Quote
my hatred of wis is that it is the first step in the koreanization of ccp and eve online One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.13 12:39:00 -
[1533] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:my hatred of wis is that it is the first step in the koreanization of ccp and eve online
how so ? Doesnt matter..
My hate for something is that it is the first step for implosion of sun. which is probably true, inevitable and not in my life-time.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:03:00 -
[1534] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: I believe it's been said multiple times that the CSM is more a sounding board for CCP, but that they also try to advocate good ideas from the playerbase. There's been a few CSM reps who've put up threads asking for input on ideas to take to CCP.
Then i guess they are no really needed as they only seem communicate with the community through the forums which a lot of ppl don't use. Anyone can create a thread asking for ideas.
anyway, back to the topic... |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:26:00 -
[1535] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Lord Zim wrote: I believe it's been said multiple times that the CSM is more a sounding board for CCP, but that they also try to advocate good ideas from the playerbase. There's been a few CSM reps who've put up threads asking for input on ideas to take to CCP. Then i guess they are no really needed as they only seem communicate with the community through the forums which a lot of ppl don't use. Anyone can create a thread asking for ideas. I'm confused. What do they need to do then to satisfy you? |
Sandrestal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:32:00 -
[1536] - Quote
Why is this thread still alive. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:53:00 -
[1537] - Quote
Well, after reading Vile Rat's comments on the CSM meeting, I wouldn't count on WiS for a long while. Incarna (aka "Jesus") has become the abandoned broken feature of choice which nobody is gonna fix for years while CCP devotes to fixing nullsec and finish the ongoing shiny (V3).
And this is why nobody CCP is commenting on this hread. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Psychophantic
217
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:57:00 -
[1538] - Quote
Sandrestal wrote:Why is this thread still alive.
Cause people want WiS?
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WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
86
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:00:00 -
[1539] - Quote
look what they managed to pull out of their collective ass in just a few short weeks, a load of new ships, balancing, fixes and tech upgrades which hadnt been looked at in YEARS.
I think they were giving themselves the luxury of too much time in developing WIS. That much time makes you cautious, when whats needed are BOLD STEPS.
THe next big thing for CCP is the integration of DUST which should be fun. After that, lets talk incarna for real. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
546
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:23:00 -
[1540] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:Sandrestal wrote:Why is this thread still alive. Cause people want WiS?
I'd like ambulation, but I don't want Incarna. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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Beaches
Doomheim
38
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:43:00 -
[1541] - Quote
WisdomLikeSilence wrote:look what they managed to pull out of their collective ass in just a few short weeks, a load of new ships, balancing, fixes and tech upgrades which hadnt been looked at in YEARS.
I think they were giving themselves the luxury of too much time in developing WIS. That much time makes you cautious, when whats needed are BOLD STEPS.
THe next big thing for CCP is the integration of DUST which should be fun. After that, lets talk incarna for real.
If DUST disappeared tomorrow I wouldn't notice. A significant amount of time in EVE is spent docked, peculiarly not spent playing a game on PS3 ... I wonder why not? Regardless, imagine people's surprise when they express a desire to expand EVE online in the form of Ambulation and they are called silly, because that is silly compared to expanding a PS3 game called DUST.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:09:00 -
[1542] - Quote
Beaches wrote: If DUST disappeared tomorrow I wouldn't notice. A significant amount of time in EVE is spent docked, peculiarly not spent playing a game on PS3 ... I wonder why not? Regardless, imagine people's surprise when they express a desire to expand EVE online in the form of Ambulation and they are called silly, because that is silly compared to expanding a PS3 game called DUST.
until you barbie lovers unsub in a huff walking off like it's tampon time, ccp is still getting yo monies dust is a way for ccp to get additional monies from ps3 players One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kye Do'lan
Order of the Domain The Polaris Syndicate
4
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:14:00 -
[1543] - Quote
Pile of crap and distracts from gameplay |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:15:00 -
[1544] - Quote
WisdomLikeSilence wrote:THe next big thing for CCP is the integration of DUST which should be fun. After that, lets talk incarna for real. DUST will be an abortion at launch, mainly because it's for consoles. If it's ever released. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:26:00 -
[1545] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:WisdomLikeSilence wrote:THe next big thing for CCP is the integration of DUST which should be fun. After that, lets talk incarna for real. DUST will be an abortion at launch, mainly because it's for consoles. If it's ever released. I'm giving Dust514 about 6-7 months of moderate success on the PS3 then it will start to decline. I don't believe it will see any true success until it is on the PC where it will grow in a similar fashion to how EVE has over the years.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Beaches
Doomheim
38
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:31:00 -
[1546] - Quote
Kye Do'lan wrote:Pile of crap and distracts from gameplay
Which is it? A pile of crap or something which distracts from clicking in space? If it was a pile of crap it shouldn't keep your attention, well maybe you. But I think Incarna as it is now is pretty horrid, but I don't think doing laps around the CQ is anything other than alternative ship spinning. Ambulation would provide an attractive alternative to both, a microcosm of the player driven economy and things to do like a corp HQ little games, boosters, smuggling ect...
CCP in their infinite wisdom gave us NeX and a prison cell instead, it is pretty ****, yeah. And they put clothes in the NeX store rather than anything we could use to make our cells better. Just a normal part of life, dealing with disappointment and stupidity. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:33:00 -
[1547] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Lord Zim wrote:WisdomLikeSilence wrote:THe next big thing for CCP is the integration of DUST which should be fun. After that, lets talk incarna for real. DUST will be an abortion at launch, mainly because it's for consoles. If it's ever released. I'm giving Dust514 about 6-7 months of moderate success on the PS3 then it will start to decline. I don't believe it will see any true success until it is on the PC where it will grow in a similar fashion to how EVE has over the years.
I too want possess such powers. It will come particularly handy at stock-markets and other revenue building activities. |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:38:00 -
[1548] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:WisdomLikeSilence wrote:THe next big thing for CCP is the integration of DUST which should be fun. After that, lets talk incarna for real. DUST will be an abortion at launch, mainly because it's for consoles. If it's ever released.
I agree 100%
Making Dust for consoles only (and PS3, the least sold one, nonetheless), was the step that killed Dust before it was born, they should just scrap it now before they waste even more time and money with it...
Here's why:
1) Eve Online is played on COMPUTERS, and console gamers are not hardcore enough to give a **** about Eve universe in the first place, they are CASUALS, the kind of people that play on their console only when they are bored and have nothing else to do.
2) Console gamers ALL have ADHD, meaning that they will forget all about Dust the moment the next COD game is launched. The only FPS game that console gamers give a **** about is Call of duty and Halo and Dust is no Call of Duty OR Halo, it is a new franchise, and it has NO chance against COD.
Hell, even BF 3 didn't have a chance against it, and the BF series has a HUGE history and fan base.
3) Console gamers won't fall for your microtransaction bullshit in Dust, Valve tried that with TF 2, and failed miserably, it ONLY worked on the PC.
4) I am a hardcore gamer, I play ANYTHING that launches, be it MMO, RTS, FPS, Simulator, TPS, ANYTHING, you name it, i play it, and my rig is worth thousands of dollars.
The only problem is I ONLY use computers, and I would never touch a console or a MAC with a 50 kilometer pole.
I really wanted to play Dust 514, because I am a HUGE Eve fan, but I just can't bring myself to buy a freakin' CONSOLE just to play it and show you guys my support.
You abandoned me and forgot who made you what you are (PC gamers), I (we) will abandon you.
Dust 514 is already dead, stop development before you lose MORE money and have to fire even more people.
Sometimes I wonder if Hellmar even knows what the **** this industry is all about, and how everything in it works, outside of Eve, it's as if he never touched any other games but Eve in his entire life... I honestly can't explain how he can make all these idiotic decisions for this company, dragging it into the shitter with every mistake he makes, like making Dust PS 3 only... Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:47:00 -
[1549] - Quote
never say never good sir might have a shittty pc-port coming our way after it fails on ps3 One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:48:00 -
[1550] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:never say never good sir might have a shittty pc-port coming our way after it fails on ps3
So true, man...
Don't get me started on console ports, 'cause when I get started it takes a titan to stop me, especially when it comes to consoles and how they are ******* single handedly destroying gaming, along with the type of easily entertainable, complacent, DLC-supporting *gamer* they create and encourage (AKA Non gamers that don't really know anything or give a **** about gaming outside their COD or other milked franchises) .
Consoles are the Justin Bieber of gaming, they appeal to millions of idiots with no taste (in gaming), and they are mainstream as all hell.
I should be a politician, people tell me I have the personality for it... Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:47:00 -
[1551] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Well, after reading Vile Rat's comments on the CSM meeting, I wouldn't count on WiS for a long while. Incarna (aka "Jesus") has become the abandoned broken feature of choice which nobody is gonna fix for years while CCP devotes to fixing nullsec and finish the ongoing shiny (V3).
And this is why nobody CCP is commenting on this hread.
The Csm is focused on 0.0 anything else does n,t matter for them ,so for WIs and anything else outside 0.0 the csm is useless i bet even FW ,a lot of people complain about ,is being put on ice ,for the greedy csm
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
bornaa
GRiD.
107
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:13:00 -
[1552] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Well, after reading Vile Rat's comments on the CSM meeting, I wouldn't count on WiS for a long while. Incarna (aka "Jesus") has become the abandoned broken feature of choice which nobody is gonna fix for years while CCP devotes to fixing nullsec and finish the ongoing shiny (V3).
And this is why nobody CCP is commenting on this hread. The Csm is focused on 0.0 anything else does n,t matter for them ,so for WIs and anything else outside 0.0 the csm is useless i bet even FW ,a lot of people complain about ,is being put on ice ,for the greedy csm
Signing that. All CSM members only look after they own ass.
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Psychophantic
217
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:37:00 -
[1553] - Quote
bornaa wrote: Signing that. All CSM members only look after they own ass.
CSM, elected to represent the community to CCP, instead have publicly admitted they only represent their constituents to CCP.
Quote:All Representatives
Attend meetings called by the Chair or Vice-Chair Assist the Secretary and Vice-Secretary with managerial tasks Engage the populace on all issue debates and discussions Represent the public views on issues to the CCP Council
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:20:00 -
[1554] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:never say never good sir might have a shittty pc-port coming our way after it fails on ps3 A ****** PC port would be just as bad as getting a blowjob from a puss-filled, disease-riddled *****. It's still a blowjob, but I'd rather abstain or use palmela handerson.
bornaa wrote:Signing that. All CSM members only look after they own ass. Implying eve players are slim enough to actually find their own ass. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
85
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:47:00 -
[1555] - Quote
I don't want to walk on stations.
There are enough MMOs where you can run around with your Avatar. If I want to do it, I play one of these.
Eve is "flying in space with cool ships" and not "walk around with ugly Avatars". Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:06:00 -
[1556] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:I don't want to walk on stations.
There are enough MMOs where you can run around with your Avatar. If I want to do it, I play one of these.
Eve is "flying in space with cool ships" and not "walk around with ugly Avatars".
Then don't.
EVE at it's best is about choices. And giving players lots of ways to interact with the EVE universe. People who want walking in stations are wanting to deepen their experience of the game world and see it from another angle.
EVE at it's worst is about a small group of players (including CCP and CSM) thinking they can dictate peoples experience.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:20:00 -
[1557] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:EVE at it's best is about choices. And giving players lots of ways to interact with the EVE universe. People who want walking in stations are wanting to deepen their experience of the game world and see it from another angle.
EVE at it's worst is about a small group of players (including CCP and CSM) thinking they can dictate peoples experience.
Man, so true...
This should be sticked below the login MOTD, just to remind some players what kind of game they're playing. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:37:00 -
[1558] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:I don't want to walk on stations.
There are enough MMOs where you can run around with your Avatar. If I want to do it, I play one of these.
Eve is "flying in space with cool ships" and not "walk around with ugly Avatars". There's a reason why CCP reverted from having CQ (or as I call it, the door) the default environment when you dock, to letting you choose between spinning your ship, or walking around in your captain's quarter so you can watch **** on the ingame TV.
This line of thought shouldn't be rocket science. |
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries The Methodical Alliance
194
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:38:00 -
[1559] - Quote
Not to slightly derail this thread, but..............
For the last time.
CCP went to Sony AND Microsoft with their game (Dust) and explained to them what Dust was planned to be and what they wanted to do with it (network it with EVE).
Microsoft were the ones that said it couldn't/wouldn't work on the 360, some networking issue or something they don't allow.
Please stop raging at CCP for this, it was Microsoft that made it PS3 exclusive. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:38:00 -
[1560] - Quote
ahahaha **** is seriously a banned word? what about pornography? erotica? erotic moving pictures? |
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Forum Fighter
Doomheim
49
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:43:00 -
[1561] - Quote
The current CSM Chairman does not like WiS and is determined to remake the game according to his desires, therefore- WiS is on the back burner untill you guys vote in the next CSM election and get that bum outta there. Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil HatGäó |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
|
Posted - 2011.12.14 01:49:00 -
[1562] - Quote
Joshua Aivoras wrote:Please stop raging at CCP for this, it was Microsoft that made it PS3 exclusive. Fucks given: 0
It's CCP that got the brilliant idea to make a competitive console FPS, in a market which is already filled to overflowing with FPSes, with subpar controls, and expecting it to not suck dilz through a straw. If they'd said they wanted to make it for the PC, I'd actually want to play it. As it is, given how much I absolutely loathe any and all FPSes on consoles, especially competitive multiplayer FPSes, it'll be a cold day in hell before I even consider looking at DUST. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:54:00 -
[1563] - Quote
Forum Fighter wrote:The current CSM Chairman does not like WiS and is determined to remake the game according to his desires, therefore- WiS is on the back burner untill you guys vote in the next CSM election and get that bum outta there. The chairman who was very positive to WiS prior to the asstastic launch that was The Door?
Gee. I wonder how that change could possibly have happened. |
Psychophantic
217
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Posted - 2011.12.14 02:17:00 -
[1564] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: Gee. I wonder how that change could possibly have happened.
Exposure through gaming press to feed ego?
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Agallis Zinthros
Evolution
15
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:31:00 -
[1565] - Quote
I think more small steps like CQ can get the project on track.
I'd personally like to see bars with in-game gambling and exotic dancers. That would be good enough for now.
Crucible took care of a LOT of my woes with Eve's space gameplay. This was a great expansion for PVP. |
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
49
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Posted - 2011.12.14 04:47:00 -
[1566] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Gee. I wonder how that change could possibly have happened.
Exposure through gaming press to feed ego?
Pseudo e-fame to bad mouth CCP?! Say it ain't so.. Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil HatGäó |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.14 05:03:00 -
[1567] - Quote
Agallis Zinthros wrote:I think more small steps like CQ can get the project on track.
I'd personally like to see bars with in-game gambling and exotic dancers. That would be good enough for now.
Crucible took care of a LOT of my woes with Eve's space gameplay. This was a great expansion for PVP.
Perhaps this is the best way forward for Incarna. Each release having a focus on FiS with smaller addition for WiS - much as Crucible did.
Although personally I don't want to be drip fed content for WiS over the next few years. Personally I would rather an expansion that largely delivers the complete feature in one hit.
As long as we get something I spose. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
|
Posted - 2011.12.14 07:51:00 -
[1568] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Gee. I wonder how that change could possibly have happened.
Exposure through gaming press to feed ego? Huh? |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.14 07:51:00 -
[1569] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:I think more small steps like CQ can get the project on track.
I'd personally like to see bars with in-game gambling and exotic dancers. That would be good enough for now.
Crucible took care of a LOT of my woes with Eve's space gameplay. This was a great expansion for PVP. Perhaps this is the best way forward for Incarna. Each release having a focus on FiS with smaller addition for WiS - much as Crucible did. Although personally I don't want to be drip fed content for WiS over the next few years. Personally I would rather an expansion that largely delivers the complete feature in one hit. As long as we get something I spose.
Frankly, I wouldn't count on getting anything WiS for a long while. Our last hope are the minutes,and that's a very slim hope as both Trebor and very specially Vile Rat have been feeding the political correctness: Jesus, aka "that big succesful feature that turns four rocks into 50,000 subscribers" is dead. And the last "Jesus" was Incarna, which means CCP now will handle their ass to nullsec and the long row of horny broken features, while Incarna specificlaly, and the whole WiS in general, become that broken feature nobody is gonna look upon for years.
Exactly as CCP and the CSM are doing with this thread.
I am still waiting for Meissa Anunthiel to answer my mail (likely he's got a hell of a backlog ), but I don't really trust to hear any good news. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
ISVRaDa
Divine Crusaders
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:19:00 -
[1570] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
/signed
Immortality is only a word. All that exists can die. Every living thing has a weapon against which it has no defense. Time. Disease. Iron. Guilt.
-+ What can change the nature of a man ? |
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Amelia Ryan
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:50:00 -
[1571] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
/signed.
We gotta realize that WiS is still in early stages and needs a lot of work before the EVE community will accept WiS as a worthy expansion.
And by god it can actually become a success if CCP keeps in mind what EVE Online is all about.
FiS was probably the right move by CCP to work on, because if they worked on WiS, they would probably haven't gotten much done that adds to the gameplay in this expansion.
But stopping WiS completely, is the wrong move, i've been playing this game for 6 years, i need something new and refreshing. |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:56:00 -
[1572] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Joshua Aivoras wrote:Please stop raging at CCP for this, it was Microsoft that made it PS3 exclusive. Fucks given: 0 It's CCP that got the brilliant idea to make a competitive console FPS, in a market which is already filled to overflowing with FPSes, with subpar controls, and expecting it to not suck dilz through a straw. If they'd said they wanted to make it for the PC, I'd actually want to play it. As it is, given how much I absolutely loathe any and all FPSes on consoles, especially competitive multiplayer FPSes, it'll be a cold day in hell before I even consider looking at DUST.
Post of the ******* year, seriously.
I agree 100% Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Miss B Havin
Inflamed Crusty Unit
8
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:33:00 -
[1573] - Quote
Unless we get barfights in WIS or hand to hand combat in station scrap wis... |
Comboduck
Judicio Sine Misericordia
94
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:38:00 -
[1574] - Quote
I don't want walking in stations. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:07:00 -
[1575] - Quote
Comboduck wrote:I don't want walking in stations. Don't use it, then. |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:10:00 -
[1576] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Comboduck wrote:I don't want walking in stations. Don't use it, then.
I am pretty sure he meant:
I don't want WiS and I don't want CCP to waste development time and money on that crap they call Incarna, instead of using that time and money to fix bugs and balance **** that is already in the game.
There, better?
Because I am pretty sure 90% of us think like that... I certainly do.
Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:14:00 -
[1577] - Quote
Amelia Ryan wrote:But stopping WiS completely, is the wrong move, i've been playing this game for 6 years, i need something new and refreshing. They released the remaining 3 CQs which weren't released in Incarna, so WiS isn't completely dead. It doesn't have nearly the same focus as before as it seems like (and I'm strongly hopeful of this) they're looking to go back and iterate on a ton of the old cruft that's been collecting for the past 6 years. This is something which, if done right, will vastly improve the game as a whole, especially if they can go back and finally make old and boring systems like mining more fun, and if they can go through their newer systems as well and remove their rougher spots. Most importantly, however, would be that CCP goes through EVE and make it into a more cohesive universe, instead of the slightly hodgepodge soup we have now. If they additionally changed their design philosophy away from making almost every UI a cockstabbing experience by default, and instead tried to make them intuitive and easy to work with so we could spend more time having fun, that'd be dandy as well. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:22:00 -
[1578] - Quote
Freezehunter wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Comboduck wrote:I don't want walking in stations. Don't use it, then. I am pretty sure he meant: I don't want WiS and I don't want CCP to waste development time and money on that crap they call Incarna, instead of using that time and money to fix bugs and balance **** that is already in the game. There, better? Because I am pretty sure 90% of us think like that... I certainly do. While we agree on DUST, I'm afraid we're going to have to disagree on WiS. I love the concept of it, and I think it'll make EVE appeal to a much broader customer base, and as such is still necessary. I don't think it's an important enough feature that it'll magically save EVE, so while I want it to go ahead just to get an even deeper universe, I don't want them to do this instead of, as you say, fix bugs and balance **** that's already in game.
Which is why I'm personally saying that at least the next expansion should not be focusing on WiS, maybe even the next if they realize that the backlog of broken **** to fix is huge enough that they need two expansions to fix everything. Not that I'm saying "DON'T TOUCH WIS", but at the very least it shouldn't be the main focus.
Once they've settled FiS to a more playable and dynamic state, please, do bring on WiS. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:33:00 -
[1579] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:I think more small steps like CQ can get the project on track.
I'd personally like to see bars with in-game gambling and exotic dancers. That would be good enough for now.
Crucible took care of a LOT of my woes with Eve's space gameplay. This was a great expansion for PVP. Perhaps this is the best way forward for Incarna. Each release having a focus on FiS with smaller addition for WiS - much as Crucible did. Although personally I don't want to be drip fed content for WiS over the next few years. Personally I would rather an expansion that largely delivers the complete feature in one hit. As long as we get something I spose.
Agree 50%
I think they should focus primarily on the core FIS content but i would like them to iterate on what we have now in Incarna.
CCP should dedicate a small team to further develop CQ's and then over time, they could implement the larger public areas (WIS).
Suggestions for CQ improvements:
Optimize the graphical performance
Add functions the the TV screen - It shouldn't just display random stuff. We should be able to choose what we want to see, display the IGB on it, watch eve related community videos like Clear skies, Alliance tournaments, etc.
Invite a player into your CQ
add the mini games to CQ and allow us to play them with friends either face to face or from our separate CQ
If your corp has an office in a station, this should be a CQ open to the corp
Allow us to upgrade our corp and personal CQ through the NEX store.
After all this is done, the technology should have been sufficiently developed and the concept properly thought out enough that CCP could implement WIS. |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:40:00 -
[1580] - Quote
It will be much better if CCP spend their time on balancing races and making new ships instead of spending their time on something that no one needs. It's like very very*10^23 small group of people want it.
I used CQ for like 5 mins and never turned it on again. To be correct, none of my friends use it.
Why so serious about nothing? Bring back Blaze and Lux crystals! http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12812-Blaze-L-details.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12832-Lux-L-details.html |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:54:00 -
[1581] - Quote
Fix My Lasers wrote:It will be much better if CCP spend their time on balancing races and making new ships instead of spending their time on something that no one needs. It's like very very*10^23 small group of people want it.
I used CQ for like 5 mins and never turned it on again. To be correct, none of my friends use it.
Why so serious about nothing? You used CQ for 5 minutes and then you ignored it because it adds nothing. When CCP completes WiS, it will add something. In fact, I suspect it'll add a lot, and mainly in hisec where pubbies congreate in safe havens. It's just a matter of not treating it as a jesus feature, and focusing on it to the detriment of the rest of the game.
In fact, I'd almost go so far as to say that just adding ships for the sake of adding ships is worse than not adding ships at all. If something must be added, there must be a clear and concise plan behind it, and the more ships they add, the harder it becomes to balance everything so that everything is viable in some form or another. Case in point, everything gallente the last few years. |
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:16:00 -
[1582] - Quote
You're all madmen. Why not just get on TS or mumble or - gasp - EVE Voice and talk to your corpmates. If you're so desperate to see their mute faces stare at you while a disembodied voice laughs at whatever lolcat link you've just sent them in corp chat, just open their avatar from the character panel and stare at it intently until the straining in your eyes causes pinpricks of light to erupt across your vision, smearing the view and making the blank collection of pixels look like it's anything other than a waste of developer time.
Seriously. The image you have in your head of Walking in Stations is nothing like any reality that could ever be achieved by a company like CCP. Why not communicate with the people directly through some sort of telephonic medium instead of watching their expressionless pixel blob faces clumsily clip through glasses of Quafe while sitting stock still in a glitchy and aliased table in the middle of a deserted and lifeless room.
You'll never, ever get what you imagine. Let it go. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:24:00 -
[1583] - Quote
Freezehunter wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Comboduck wrote:I don't want walking in stations. Don't use it, then. I am pretty sure he meant: I don't want WiS and I don't want CCP to waste development time and money on that crap they call Incarna, instead of using that time and money to fix bugs and balance **** that is already in the game. There, better? Because I am pretty sure 90% of us think like that... I certainly do.
wrong mister Freezehunter
99,99 % is happy about the last patch ,done in 6 weeks stated by CCP
but a lot are disappointed by the fact they can do a lot in such a short time and don,t find a way to get a few % of their workforce back to WIS (i didn,t say Incarna) And most of all they lack response on a thread like this. even maybe that 90 % you think of I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:20:00 -
[1584] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Amelia Ryan wrote:But stopping WiS completely, is the wrong move, i've been playing this game for 6 years, i need something new and refreshing. They released the remaining 3 CQs which weren't released in Incarna, so WiS isn't completely dead. It doesn't have nearly the same focus as before as it seems like (and I'm strongly hopeful of this) they're looking to go back and iterate on a ton of the old cruft that's been collecting for the past 6 years. This is something which, if done right, will vastly improve the game as a whole, especially if they can go back and finally make old and boring systems like mining more fun, and if they can go through their newer systems as well and remove their rougher spots. Most importantly, however, would be that CCP goes through EVE and make it into a more cohesive universe, instead of the slightly hodgepodge soup we have now. If they additionally changed their design philosophy away from making almost every UI a cockstabbing experience by default, and instead tried to make them intuitive and easy to work with so we could spend more time having fun, that'd be dandy as well.
Dev's have stated now that those CQs are out there are NO/ZERO/NADA/BUPKISS resources on any additional WiS work. And we have a CSM re-enforcning that decision.
So unless someone keeps speaking out for WiS development to continue in some form we won't ever get through that door.
Issler |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.14 22:10:00 -
[1585] - Quote
Tomytronic wrote:You're all madmen. Why not just get on TS or mumble or - gasp - EVE Voice and talk to your corpmates. If you're so desperate to see their mute faces stare at you while a disembodied voice laughs at whatever lolcat link you've just sent them in corp chat, just open their avatar from the character panel and stare at it intently until the straining in your eyes causes pinpricks of light to erupt across your vision, smearing the view and making the blank collection of pixels look like it's anything other than a waste of developer time.
Seriously. The image you have in your head of Walking in Stations is nothing like any reality that could ever be achieved by a company like CCP. Why not communicate with the people directly through some sort of telephonic medium instead of watching their expressionless pixel blob faces clumsily clip through glasses of Quafe while sitting stock still in a glitchy and aliased table in the middle of a deserted and lifeless room.
You'll never, ever get what you imagine. Let it go.
Either go look at previous fanfest videos on what Incarna was meant to involve (and see that Incarna does not deliver on that vision), or quit your idiotic rhetoric and GTFO.
I also find it funny how people like you bag out the graphics of Incarna when FiS largely involves watching little red crosses of various sizes vanish. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.15 01:57:00 -
[1586] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Amelia Ryan wrote:But stopping WiS completely, is the wrong move, i've been playing this game for 6 years, i need something new and refreshing. They released the remaining 3 CQs which weren't released in Incarna, so WiS isn't completely dead. It doesn't have nearly the same focus as before as it seems like (and I'm strongly hopeful of this) they're looking to go back and iterate on a ton of the old cruft that's been collecting for the past 6 years. This is something which, if done right, will vastly improve the game as a whole, especially if they can go back and finally make old and boring systems like mining more fun, and if they can go through their newer systems as well and remove their rougher spots. Most importantly, however, would be that CCP goes through EVE and make it into a more cohesive universe, instead of the slightly hodgepodge soup we have now. If they additionally changed their design philosophy away from making almost every UI a cockstabbing experience by default, and instead tried to make them intuitive and easy to work with so we could spend more time having fun, that'd be dandy as well. Dev's have stated now that those CQs are out there are NO/ZERO/NADA/BUPKISS resources on any additional WiS work. And we have a CSM re-enforcning that decision. So unless someone keeps speaking out for WiS development to continue in some form we won't ever get through that door. Issler
highly likely after 3 years the doors open and you are disappoint One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.15 05:56:00 -
[1587] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:
highly likely after 3 years the doors open and you are disappoint
What is it with Goons and poorly articulated counter arguements?
At least this is a refreshing change from the usual 'OMG ITS NOT FiS THEREFORES I HATES IT'.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:53:00 -
[1588] - Quote
Looking to the right --> <--Looking to the left
51 days, 1,383 posts, no CCP Dev to be seen here yet. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Malcolm Gunn
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.12.15 15:00:00 -
[1589] - Quote
Because CCP has already told you all what will happen with WiS.
It is on the back burner for improvement and expansion at a later date. If you want it so badly, you're going to have to wait. CCP has decided that there are things more important to deal with right now, like, ya know, EVE's core gameplay.
I'll welcome WiS when it's ready and prudent to work on, but until then, I'm gonna go have fun with my new Raven. And Maybe even a T3 BC. Or all the Papercuts fixes/additions. See where I'm going with this? |
Beaches
Doomheim
38
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Posted - 2011.12.15 15:12:00 -
[1590] - Quote
Malcolm Gunn wrote:Because CCP has already told you all what will happen with WiS.
It is on the back burner for improvement and expansion at a later date. If you want it so badly, you're going to have to wait. CCP has decided that there are things more important to deal with right now, like, ya know, EVE's core gameplay.
I'll welcome WiS when it's ready and prudent to work on, but until then, I'm gonna go have fun with my new Raven. And Maybe even a T3 BC. Or all the Papercuts fixes/additions. See where I'm going with this?
Have they said how they're planning on improving EVE's core gameplay? Could you elaborate on it a little bit, because clearly you are their de facto spokesperson.
What is this "herp derp improve core gameplay" what do you mean? |
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
85
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Posted - 2011.12.15 16:50:00 -
[1591] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:mainly in hisec where pubbies congreate in safe havens
Now I get why YOU want it. Hell, I should have known it when I saw the Ally :(.
YOU just want another way to grief, gank, terrorise other people and you hope, you can suizid gank them in stations too.
Damn trolls ....
Go and play CS .. there you have enough WiS Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:02:00 -
[1592] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:Lord Zim wrote:mainly in hisec where pubbies congreate in safe havens Now I get why YOU want it. Hell, I should have known it when I saw the Ally :(. YOU just want another way to grief, gank, terrorise other people and you hope, you can suizid gank them in stations too. Damn trolls .... Go and play CS .. there you have enough WiS
Nope don,t want CS ,still like EVE,s spaceships ,but also want WIS
Come on CCP what,s the matter Why is there no response afraid of making a large group of players angry again? Or you just realised more people want WIS ,more then you thought,other then some Goon tells you? Or thinking a lot of people are happy now with the little patch presumably made in 6 weeks,so you don,t have to care any more?
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:25:00 -
[1593] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:Lord Zim wrote:mainly in hisec where pubbies congreate in safe havens Now I get why YOU want it. Hell, I should have known it when I saw the Ally :(. YOU just want another way to grief, gank, terrorise other people and you hope, you can suizid gank them in stations too. Whatever it is you're smoking, puff puff pass. I want to see just how ****** up my world perceptions turn with that ****, because, damn, *****.
Jojo Jackson wrote:Go and play CS .. there you have enough WiS I don't know what it's like in teenage land where you live, but up in adult land where the rest of us live, CS is old, unsophisticated and boring. vOv |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:30:00 -
[1594] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Lord Zim wrote:mainly in hisec where pubbies congreate in safe havens Now I get why YOU want it. Hell, I should have known it when I saw the Ally :(. YOU just want another way to grief, gank, terrorise other people and you hope, you can suizid gank them in stations too. Whatever it is you're smoking, puff puff pass. I want to see just how ****** up my world perceptions turn with that ****, because, damn, *****. Jojo Jackson wrote:Go and play CS .. there you have enough WiS I don't know what it's like in teenage land where you live, but up in adult land where the rest of us live, CS is old, unsophisticated and boring. vOv
QFT on the CS part. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2011.12.15 18:26:00 -
[1595] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Freezehunter wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Comboduck wrote:I don't want walking in stations. Don't use it, then. I am pretty sure he meant: I don't want WiS and I don't want CCP to waste development time and money on that crap they call Incarna, instead of using that time and money to fix bugs and balance **** that is already in the game. There, better? Because I am pretty sure 90% of us think like that... I certainly do. wrong mister Freezehunter 99,99 % is happy about the last patch ,done in 6 weeks stated by CCP but a lot are disappointed by the fact they can do a lot in such a short time and don,t find a way to get a few % of their workforce back to WIS (i didn,t say Incarna) And most of all they lack response on a thread like this. even maybe that 90 % you think of
it took six weeks to make all the FiS for crucible and a couple of years for all the WiS in Incarna. So, it looks like the dev resources are better spent on FiS by a factor of 2 million or so ... |
Kanexus
Blood Bond LLC New Eden Confederacy
5
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Posted - 2011.12.15 18:57:00 -
[1596] - Quote
Walk in stations is a great idea....i mean like for example, you are at a station and you dont feel like doing missions or nothing in particular is going on in Eve you can walk inside stations and mingle with the fellow players. Have the players have lil action animations and such..have little mini games. it would be a diversion from the core gameplay and would make you feel more immersed in the world of eve. its not a bad idea really. |
Nocturnal Avenger
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:08:00 -
[1597] - Quote
Ydnari wrote:Abandon WiS.
This |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
85
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:08:00 -
[1598] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: I don't know what it's like in teenage land where you live, but up in adult land where the rest of us live, CS is old, unsophisticated and boring. vOv
Just unlogic.
If the last game of this type I know is CS as I stoped playing them that time ... and for you CS is old -> you aren't even close to my age.
Guy, you disqualified yourselve ... typical GOON. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
78
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:17:00 -
[1599] - Quote
I was talking to a friend that plays EVE a couple of nights ago, he asked when is more WiS content coming out...I asked him "you don't visit the forums much do you?" he said "no, why?" and gave him a little insight as to what happened in the recent months regarding Incarna and the "supposed" player uprising, which is still in debate now as to what was the real cause, everyone has a different story.
when i told him that it might be a long time before he sees any new content for WiS, he was really disappointed.
a little advice to CCP, your comment that EvE is our game is a slippery slope. You CANT make everyone happy. Eventually you will be torn on where to go with EvE and your clear undetermined "game plan" for developing the game will drive players away. they will feel disconnected from the development process and it will feel like there is no future for this game and no real goal to achieve. Fixes and polishing are great, but so is moar kontent. There should not have to be a ONE or the OTHER. both can be achieved.
I will say, again, that forum posters are the vocal minority. SO, if you (the players who support WiS) have friends who want to see WiS receive more attention from CCP and the Dev team, they have made it clear that they are listening, so you and everyone who supports it are going to have to go on campaign, ingame, and drum up support for what you would like, so those players can come here and push this thread to 200pages.
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Abominare
The Spawning Pool Team Liquid
10
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:17:00 -
[1600] - Quote
I really wouldn't mind some iteration on WiS. Ultimately I think the missed opportunity here comes in the form of dust.
While it is intended that dust players interact with their eve counterparts some issues really get brought out in the actual communication barrier between these two groups.
In eve there is two ways to communicate with another player. Through text, such as evemail/chat channels, and the other widely used and preferred method for actual cohesive play is through Vent/TS.
On a console the preferred way to communicate is through speech systems built into the actual game. You can of course type out mail, but typing one a controller is much akin to nailing your genitalia to a rust steel beam.
Granted eve does have a built in comm system but I've never actually heard of any one using it, and I am skeptical it actually works.
This creates a communication issue, dusties will want to talk to potential eve clients via speech where as capsuleers will want to communicate via text or a speech program that doesn't actually run on a console.
The nice thing about WiS, is if dusties had their own carbon avatar (which would help with identifying themselves beyond dude in uniform armor with a machine gun) and allowed to participate in stations with eve players, the likely hood of communication would seem to increase.
Lets say bored eve player is in Station X hes sitting in a bar playing that risk type minigame we saw at convention. He ends up in a game with a dust player, while playing he might actually be more tempted to turn on the eve-dust built in voice coms and chat a little with him. This begins to build a bond, the two occasionally when worn out from playing their respective games seek each other out and continue to build a bond.
When dust player receives a contract to clear out a planet, he recognizes the name of the target owner. Its our friendly eve player he has become friends with. Suddenly a more complicated game choice has arrived. Hes not just fighting a nameless enemy and his dust defenders but hes seeing how his actions can affect others that hes actually involved with. Do you warn your friend? Do you refuse to take part? Do you leave your merc group? Or do you take the money and stab him in the back, you are a merc after all.
If anything it would give incentive to actually using the ccp voice client and ease culture barriers between the two games.
This really is the big thing about WiS, it really isnt meant to deliver the same kind of pew pew action fun. WiS is more about the development of social interaction inside of the game. Its about being able to more easily relate and acknowledge individuals, not spaceships. Eve on its own can most definitely support the current social model via FiS, its the expansion of the Eve Universe into different games and platforms that really supports having WiS serve as a conduit between these groups. Its almost necessary to really begin to lay the foundations of an actual social network in eve between all the games. |
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Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
234
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:28:00 -
[1601] - Quote
CCP is not responding to this because they already said WiS is a failure and they are working on the real game now. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:29:00 -
[1602] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:I was talking to a friend that plays EVE a couple of nights ago, he asked when is more WiS content coming out...I asked him "you don't visit the forums much do you?" he said "no, why?" and gave him a little insight as to what happened in the recent months regarding Incarna and the "supposed" player uprising, which is still in debate now as to what was the real cause, everyone has a different story.
when i told him that it might be a long time before he sees any new content for WiS, he was really disappointed.
a little advice to CCP, your comment that EvE is our game is a slippery slope. You CANT make everyone happy. Eventually you will be torn on where to go with EvE and your clear undetermined "game plan" for developing the game will drive players away. they will feel disconnected from the development process and it will feel like there is no future for this game and no real goal to achieve. Fixes and polishing are great, but so is moar kontent. There should not have to be a ONE or the OTHER. both can be achieved.
I will say, again, that forum posters are the vocal minority. SO, if you (the players who support WiS) have friends who want to see WiS receive more attention from CCP and the Dev team, they have made it clear that they are listening, so you and everyone who supports it are going to have to go on campaign, ingame, and drum up support for what you would like, so those players can come here and push this thread to 200pages.
Yeah ok we gonna make CCP do another panic move like we give all means of earning ISK to the Goons First of all CCP needs to respond in some way ,after that we can see but after all those happy post CCP got lately ,it seems they are gonna hang out in their favorite pubs,and think screw EVE community. All post that aren,t happy about CCP aren,t responded or just locked with no appearend reason. Brings back some memory and its a pity CCP lacks memory I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:31:00 -
[1603] - Quote
Trainwreck McGee wrote:CCP is not responding to this because they already said WiS is a failure and they are working on the real game now.
Incarna was a failure ,not WIS Maybe WIS is a failure to you ,but not to me and apperantly a lot of others I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
962
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:38:00 -
[1604] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Trainwreck McGee wrote:CCP is not responding to this because they already said WiS is a failure and they are working on the real game now. Incarna was a failure ,not WIS Maybe WIS is a failure to you ,but not to me and apperantly a lot of others
they came out and called everything they had done so far no fun. meaning their whole project was viewed as a failure by the very people building it. hence why it got scrapped. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:57:00 -
[1605] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Trainwreck McGee wrote:CCP is not responding to this because they already said WiS is a failure and they are working on the real game now. Incarna was a failure ,not WIS Maybe WIS is a failure to you ,but not to me and apperantly a lot of others they came out and called everything they had done so far no fun. meaning their whole project was viewed as a failure by the very people building it. hence why it got scrapped.
They had a plan to implement WIs in modules in EVE starting with CQ stated by the very people building it. If they indeed didn,t see a future for WIS ,there should be explanation that some timeline or expectations couldn,t be realized. but instead we see a sudden stop ,with no explanation.
Besides ,i want WIS,not Incarna and CCP stopped Incarna If it was up to me the Nex would removed right away,but not WIS ,that should be the panic move they did I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Kanexus
Blood Bond LLC New Eden Confederacy
5
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Posted - 2011.12.15 20:21:00 -
[1606] - Quote
Actually the nex is a great idea...just stupid cause you gotta pay with cash and stuff...if you could just spend isk would be cool then...
either way i want walk in stations...if Eve dont implement it....then ill still play the game |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.15 20:47:00 -
[1607] - Quote
The worst is silence.
They don't say "it's over, say WiS good bye" Don't say "we can't get on it now, maybe later" Don't say "we don't know what to do next" Don't say "we are thinking about it" Don't say "will have news in some (enter timespan)"
No. They just don't say a bloody thing.
And silence serves nothing good. Silence is what you expect from that arrogant ass company that cornered itself some months ago. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.15 21:04:00 -
[1608] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:The worst is silence.
They don't say "it's over, say WiS good bye" Don't say "we can't get on it now, maybe later" Don't say "we don't know what to do next" Don't say "we are thinking about it" Don't say "will have news in some (enter timespan)"
No. They just don't say a bloody thing.
And silence serves nothing good. Silence is what you expect from that arrogant ass company that cornered itself some months ago.
+1 I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Velicitia
Open Designs
764
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Posted - 2011.12.15 21:05:00 -
[1609] - Quote
Kanexus wrote:Actually the nex is a great idea...just stupid cause you gotta pay with cash and stuff...if you could just spend isk would be cool then...
either way i want walk in stations...if Eve dont implement it....then ill still play the game
you can pay with ISK.
isk --> plex --> aur
OR
wait for someone to try selling the NEX stuff you want on the market.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.15 21:20:00 -
[1610] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Kanexus wrote:Actually the nex is a great idea...just stupid cause you gotta pay with cash and stuff...if you could just spend isk would be cool then...
either way i want walk in stations...if Eve dont implement it....then ill still play the game you can pay with ISK. isk --> plex --> aur OR wait for someone to try selling the NEX stuff you want on the market.
yes try selling well said
a pair of goggles cost you the same as a fairly fitted T2 frig
the Plex is a good way for the richer people among us get richer faster ingame and increase accountlevels for CCP But CCP wasn,t content with it ,they wanted to milk the plex and introduced the NEX the feature almost nobody in EVE wanted,but WIS presented by CCP long ago a lot of people were optimistic about So CCP was right about Incarna and put it on ice,but was wrong on the WIS-part of it
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:09:00 -
[1611] - Quote
It's interesting given the huge response this thread has attracted, and the obvious support that Incarna does have from many players, that neither the CSM or CCP have graced us with a serious, well thought out, response. Nor to my knowledge was WiS seriously discussed at the Summit.
Both CCP and CSM say that we can have a voice through the CSM, and that CCP wants to hear our feedback. So why can't either group be bothered developing an well thought out response (that doesn't devolve into the usual rhetoric that has characterised some of CSM).
It's been raised in the assembly hall, it's being on the front page of general discussion for months, CSM members have been emailed. What else is there to do? Email Hilmar himself?
This represents what is broken with CSM, that unless your interests match their own, then you won't get your view seriously represented. Which is stupid as despite the fact that each CSM is voted in by a particular group of players, they are still tasked with the role of representing all players to the best of their abilities. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Sarion Stormweaver
Spectrum Solutions INC
12
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:45:00 -
[1612] - Quote
what to do ? definitely at the next CSM elections i'll vote for people that have WiS on the agenda. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:11:00 -
[1613] - Quote
The three words that cannot be spoken
Walking
in
Stations
When I started this thread I guessed it would get to 4 or five pages of support and we'd get at least some CCP weasel words about "continuing to investigate...bla bla bla.... resources.... we hear you...... now move along".
And we don't even get that. And the current CSM, don't get me started!
Still demanding a CCP response. So who here would join in a statue shooting movement?
Issler |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
974
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:11:00 -
[1614] - Quote
Sarion Stormweaver wrote:what to do ? definitely at the next CSM elections i'll vote for people that have WiS on the agenda.
I too align my interests behind the already defeated in hope for the promise of a better tomorrow.
Edit - I too look forward to the Walking in Outposts feature, and the tears of the countless hundreds afraid of null sec. There be dragons and what not out there.
What was the statistic... 61% of players have a playstyle that operates around Null-Sec, therefore- 61% of the players will vote to improve nullsec, thereby what lies in the future, has no effect on empire. Almost ever person on the CSM is from where again?
Please note, that in the popularity contest that is the CSM, how many members are from the top 4 Nullsec alliances again? Being a gambling man, I would bet that the next CSM is comprised of like individuals from the same alliances, if they choose to run again. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Long John Silver
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:46:00 -
[1615] - Quote
The whole FiS vs WiS thing came about because CCP dropped FiS development to focus on WiS. Then when WiS finally arrived, it was a solitary confinement cell that fried graphics cards, accompanied by heavy marketing to persuade people to buy expensive cosmetic items.
It's not surprising WiS was derided as being little more than a space-barbie shop.
I think most players would enjoy WiS if it involved meaningful player interaction and graphics cards could easily support it. I suspect that is a long way off though.
CCP's silence is because they went for a 'bridge too far'. They're regrouping at the moment, focusing on FiS because they can do more for us all that way. Longer term? Who knows. I think they probably will, if they can, but not for a while yet given the resources and time commitment involved. Long John Silver | Pirate Alt-áand Forum Troll. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
976
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:51:00 -
[1616] - Quote
Walking in Spaceships. Want. |
Agallis Zinthros
Evolution
15
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Posted - 2011.12.16 04:56:00 -
[1617] - Quote
Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.
Summer expansion should be enough to fix a lot of the gameplay that irks me.
Also fix PI taxes in highsec pls CCP. POS feul going crazy places soon.
I'm gonna vote in the same CSM though, even if they're too aggressive towards these features.
CCP went the wrong direction (useless crap like NEX on top of a subscription model), and the CSM set them straight.
Now, if WiS became full-featured and the NEX store got expanded along with dropping the subscription model ...
Well, barbies could very well pay so PVP-focused players like me don't have to. A lot of games that went from sub to F2P + paid cosmetics have seen largely increased playerbases and revenue. Eve should be able to pull the same. Microtransaction paint jobs anyone? All assuming no more sub costs of course. |
Malcolm Gunn
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.12.16 06:58:00 -
[1618] - Quote
To people wondering when CCP said they were focusing on core gameplay... Have you even logged in since Crucible was deployed?
So much butthurt...
Like I said. I'll take some WiS content when it's something CCP can devote some time to to do it properly. Right now is not that time. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.16 07:46:00 -
[1619] - Quote
Agallis Zinthros wrote:Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.
Summer expansion should be enough to fix a lot of the gameplay that irks me.
Also fix PI taxes in highsec pls CCP. POS feul going crazy places soon.
I'm gonna vote in the same CSM though, even if they're too aggressive towards these features.
CCP went the wrong direction (useless crap like NEX on top of a subscription model), and the CSM set them straight.
Now, if WiS became full-featured and the NEX store got expanded along with dropping the subscription model ...
Well, barbies could very well pay so PVP-focused players like me don't have to. A lot of games that went from sub to F2P + paid cosmetics have seen largely increased playerbases and revenue. Eve should be able to pull the same. Microtransaction paint jobs anyone? All assuming no more sub costs of course.
kill yourself, we don't need passerby bitches like you in this game One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.16 07:55:00 -
[1620] - Quote
Malcolm Gunn wrote:To people wondering when CCP said they were focusing on core gameplay... Have you even logged in since Crucible was deployed?
So much butthurt...
Like I said. I'll take some WiS content when it's something CCP can devote some time to to do it properly. Right now is not that time.
52 days later, after 1,415 posts, and poor CCP dudes still haven't found a spot to tell that same story in nice words wrapped with sincere apology and warmful simpathy. Cursed timetables!
Maybe we should call in the Press... What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.16 08:01:00 -
[1621] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcolm Gunn wrote:To people wondering when CCP said they were focusing on core gameplay... Have you even logged in since Crucible was deployed?
So much butthurt...
Like I said. I'll take some WiS content when it's something CCP can devote some time to to do it properly. Right now is not that time. 52 days later, after 1,415 posts, and poor CCP dudes still haven't found a spot to tell that same story in nice words wrapped with sincere apology and warmful simpathy. Cursed timetables! Maybe we should call in the Press...
so you can't take a hint? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.16 08:32:00 -
[1622] - Quote
Malcolm Gunn wrote: Like I said. I'll take some WiS content when it's something CCP can devote some time to to do it properly. Right now is not that time.
I agree. There is a lot to be done. Looking at what they managed in about a few weeks I'm really excited what the summer expansion next year will look like. But I think it won't hurt anybody if they can start to work on some WiS features after that. They don't have to dedicate their whole team to it but in my humble opinion they have to do something to get the game forward. WiS is a great way to expand the universe without necessarily destroying the core gameplay.
I would like some statement from them how the (near) future of WiS is planned because I'm very interested in it, as are many other people. But I can somewhat understand why they try to brush it under the carpet at the moment. They have to just look in this thread to see how many bitter vets are butthurt by WiS interested people who are just asking for a clarification on the future of WiS. |
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:04:00 -
[1623] - Quote
Honestly I will put WIS and Incarna on the bottom of the list first. CCP has a HUGE backlog of bug fixes to be done first and that will take them easily 2 expansions to actually resolve.
WIS will happen when DUST appears of course, no worries ;) |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:09:00 -
[1624] - Quote
Federigo Mondial wrote:Honestly I will put WIS and Incarna on the bottom of the list first. CCP has a HUGE backlog of bug fixes to be done first and that will take them easily 2 expansions to actually resolve.
WIS will happen when DUST appears of course, no worries ;)
And when DUST will be an abortion, they will scrap both. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Agallis Zinthros
Evolution
15
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:56:00 -
[1625] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.
Summer expansion should be enough to fix a lot of the gameplay that irks me.
Also fix PI taxes in highsec pls CCP. POS feul going crazy places soon.
I'm gonna vote in the same CSM though, even if they're too aggressive towards these features.
CCP went the wrong direction (useless crap like NEX on top of a subscription model), and the CSM set them straight.
Now, if WiS became full-featured and the NEX store got expanded along with dropping the subscription model ...
Well, barbies could very well pay so PVP-focused players like me don't have to. A lot of games that went from sub to F2P + paid cosmetics have seen largely increased playerbases and revenue. Eve should be able to pull the same. Microtransaction paint jobs anyone? All assuming no more sub costs of course. kill yourself, we don't need passerby bitches like you in this game
Huh. Found a mad site while probing.
Free to play is a better business model for MMOs. The industry has proven it time and again. The average user will buy a little (maybe $5 of stuff per month), but the obsessive users will spend oodles of dosh.
Also, more people playing Eve = more targets. And that's never a bad thing. |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:02:00 -
[1626] - Quote
Agallis Zinthros wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.
Summer expansion should be enough to fix a lot of the gameplay that irks me.
Also fix PI taxes in highsec pls CCP. POS feul going crazy places soon.
I'm gonna vote in the same CSM though, even if they're too aggressive towards these features.
CCP went the wrong direction (useless crap like NEX on top of a subscription model), and the CSM set them straight.
Now, if WiS became full-featured and the NEX store got expanded along with dropping the subscription model ...
Well, barbies could very well pay so PVP-focused players like me don't have to. A lot of games that went from sub to F2P + paid cosmetics have seen largely increased playerbases and revenue. Eve should be able to pull the same. Microtransaction paint jobs anyone? All assuming no more sub costs of course. kill yourself, we don't need passerby bitches like you in this game Huh. Found a mad site while probing. Free to play is a better business model for MMOs. The industry has proven it time and again. The average user will buy a little (maybe $5 of stuff per month), but the obsessive users will spend oodles of dosh. Also, more people playing Eve = more targets. And that's never a bad thing.
Yes, that is why 'all' F2P games are SO MADLY AWESOME!, and that's why EVERYONE plays them!
Star Trek Online was so awesome that it went F2P within the year!
Same for Champions Online, and soon Aion.
A-ha... Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Agallis Zinthros
Evolution
15
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:12:00 -
[1627] - Quote
Freezehunter wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.
Summer expansion should be enough to fix a lot of the gameplay that irks me.
Also fix PI taxes in highsec pls CCP. POS feul going crazy places soon.
I'm gonna vote in the same CSM though, even if they're too aggressive towards these features.
CCP went the wrong direction (useless crap like NEX on top of a subscription model), and the CSM set them straight.
Now, if WiS became full-featured and the NEX store got expanded along with dropping the subscription model ...
Well, barbies could very well pay so PVP-focused players like me don't have to. A lot of games that went from sub to F2P + paid cosmetics have seen largely increased playerbases and revenue. Eve should be able to pull the same. Microtransaction paint jobs anyone? All assuming no more sub costs of course. kill yourself, we don't need passerby bitches like you in this game Huh. Found a mad site while probing. Free to play is a better business model for MMOs. The industry has proven it time and again. The average user will buy a little (maybe $5 of stuff per month), but the obsessive users will spend oodles of dosh. Also, more people playing Eve = more targets. And that's never a bad thing. Yes, that is why 'all' F2P games are SO MADLY AWESOME!, and that's why EVERYONE plays them! Star Trek Online was so awesome that it went F2P within the year! Same for Champions Online, and soon Aion. A-ha...
Yeah.
Sometimes it's a desperate move to breathe life into a dying game.
Sometimes developers ruin the game by selling power.
Try taking a peek at how much League of Legends makes. Or consider that Dota 2 will be F2P.
Or, consider that TF2 made more money for Valve as a F2P game with a cosmetics shop than it ever did as a retail title, and it spent years as a retail title and sold very well. And yes, I know the Tf2 shop sells weapons, but they can be gained somewhat easily through normal play / trading too. More or less the same effect as PLEX.
F2P is the future in the MMO / persistent game business. Done right it will always make more money than a retail / subscription model. |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:17:00 -
[1628] - Quote
Agallis Zinthros wrote:Freezehunter wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.
Summer expansion should be enough to fix a lot of the gameplay that irks me.
Also fix PI taxes in highsec pls CCP. POS feul going crazy places soon.
I'm gonna vote in the same CSM though, even if they're too aggressive towards these features.
CCP went the wrong direction (useless crap like NEX on top of a subscription model), and the CSM set them straight.
Now, if WiS became full-featured and the NEX store got expanded along with dropping the subscription model ...
Well, barbies could very well pay so PVP-focused players like me don't have to. A lot of games that went from sub to F2P + paid cosmetics have seen largely increased playerbases and revenue. Eve should be able to pull the same. Microtransaction paint jobs anyone? All assuming no more sub costs of course. kill yourself, we don't need passerby bitches like you in this game Huh. Found a mad site while probing. Free to play is a better business model for MMOs. The industry has proven it time and again. The average user will buy a little (maybe $5 of stuff per month), but the obsessive users will spend oodles of dosh. Also, more people playing Eve = more targets. And that's never a bad thing. Yes, that is why 'all' F2P games are SO MADLY AWESOME!, and that's why EVERYONE plays them! Star Trek Online was so awesome that it went F2P within the year! Same for Champions Online, and soon Aion. A-ha... Yeah. Sometimes it's a desperate move to breathe life into a dying game. Sometimes developers ruin the game by selling power. Try taking a peek at how much League of Legends makes. Or consider that Dota 2 will be F2P. Or, consider that TF2 made more money for Valve as a F2P game with a cosmetics shop than it ever did as a retail title, and it spent years as a retail title and sold very well. And yes, I know the Tf2 shop sells weapons, but they can be gained somewhat easily through normal play / trading too. More or less the same effect as PLEX. F2P is the future in the MMO / persistent game business. Done right it will always make more money than a retail / subscription model.
The only F2P MMO that I've ever played was Guild Wars 1, and that game didn't have pay 2 win, it had pay 2 look good. The only F2P MMO that I'll ever touch in the forseeable future is Guild Wars 2, and as far as i am concerned, pay 2 win games like Battlefield Heroes can go **** themselves, and I am not touching them.
I do agree with what Tf 2 does, though, you get drops, and crates that you unlock with keys you buy.
Half of my inventory in tf 2 is filled with crates I'll never open. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:30:00 -
[1629] - Quote
If you want F2P, please leave EvE alone, I prefer a game with people cunning and intelligent trolls than kids going capslock all over. For example, take a GOOD look at Combat Arms US chat channels. Then watch your own brain cells fry themselves.
Now if you want F2P, go ahead and bug CCP on DUST instead. It's gonna be micro-transaction anyway as per CCP.
If it is ever released of course. |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:32:00 -
[1630] - Quote
Federigo Mondial wrote:If you want F2P, please leave EvE alone, I prefer a game with people cunning and intelligent trolls than kids going capslock all over. For example, take a GOOD look at Combat Arms US chat channels. Then watch your own brain cells fry themselves.
Now if you want F2P, go ahead and bug CCP on DUST instead. It's gonna be micro-transaction anyway as per CCP.
If it is ever released of course.
Dust won't last past it's 3rd month, mark my words. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.16 13:57:00 -
[1631] - Quote
Freezehunter wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:If you want F2P, please leave EvE alone, I prefer a game with people cunning and intelligent trolls than kids going capslock all over. For example, take a GOOD look at Combat Arms US chat channels. Then watch your own brain cells fry themselves.
Now if you want F2P, go ahead and bug CCP on DUST instead. It's gonna be micro-transaction anyway as per CCP.
If it is ever released of course. Dust won't last past it's 3rd month, mark my words.
CCP and Sony are giving DUST a mimimum of 18 months to hit the mark. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Cosmica Luna Starharvest
The Callasauria Mining Corporation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.16 14:41:00 -
[1632] - Quote
Definetly want WiS. If done in the scope of how it was first announced it could really add to that sense of immersion we crave. The model of "it's there for the people who use it" and "it's not in the way for people who don't" is perfect I think. Give us that sweet mini-game stuff and reasons to walk around and it'll be good. I find myself enjoying customization in games even when it's purely visual. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.16 14:45:00 -
[1633] - Quote
Cosmica Luna Starharvest wrote:Definetly want WiS. If done in the scope of how it was first announced it could really add to that sense of immersion we crave. The model of "it's there for the people who use it" and "it's not in the way for people who don't" is perfect I think. Give us that sweet mini-game stuff and reasons to walk around and it'll be good. I find myself enjoying customization in games even when it's purely visual.
Well, apparently the NEx concept is essentially dead, according to The Mittani's impressions at the meeting. Quote, link and details in my post here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=527183#post527183 What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
467
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Posted - 2011.12.16 14:49:00 -
[1634] - Quote
F2P model is usually decent for the publisher but horrible for the player. Its a easy way to make a quick buck while cutting back on functionality, game play, depth, and continual development.
F2Ps will NEVER have the sustained longevity of good sub based MMO. Mainly because most F2Ps lack the dedicated player base that keeps many MMOs afloat. F2Ps are directed for in and out players, in hopes to milk as much cash out of them, based off of impulse buying, before the player gets bored and moves on.
This system would not work at all for Eve. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.12.16 15:20:00 -
[1635] - Quote
Freezehunter wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:If you want F2P, please leave EvE alone, I prefer a game with people cunning and intelligent trolls than kids going capslock all over. For example, take a GOOD look at Combat Arms US chat channels. Then watch your own brain cells fry themselves.
Now if you want F2P, go ahead and bug CCP on DUST instead. It's gonna be micro-transaction anyway as per CCP.
If it is ever released of course. Dust won't last past it's 3rd month, mark my words.
You are wrong. Mark my words. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Freezehunter
126
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Posted - 2011.12.16 15:27:00 -
[1636] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Freezehunter wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:If you want F2P, please leave EvE alone, I prefer a game with people cunning and intelligent trolls than kids going capslock all over. For example, take a GOOD look at Combat Arms US chat channels. Then watch your own brain cells fry themselves.
Now if you want F2P, go ahead and bug CCP on DUST instead. It's gonna be micro-transaction anyway as per CCP.
If it is ever released of course. Dust won't last past it's 3rd month, mark my words. You are wrong. Mark my words.
We'll see. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Arlbash Dested
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.12.16 15:37:00 -
[1637] - Quote
Forget about walking around; we already have plenty of FP MMO's; it's stretching this game too far. IMO, CCP should make a decision - is EVE going to be a tactical or an action game? Do you want your players to think, almost treat it like an RTS, or do we go for some pulse-pounding excitement of giant space battles, with you strapped in the cockpit?
If you go the first route, give me the ability to position my ship in space, sort of like Homeworld. Have us hire some NPC escort/figthers, if we don't care to play with other humans. Make ships more or less vulnerable from different directions, different shield layouts, different armor layouts. Make each encounter be a mini-puzzle as to where you need to be, and what weapons you need to use to hurt the enemy the most. In this mode of play, ship losses would possibly mount, so make ships reasonably cheap. (and who cares about NPC escorts?)
If you go the second route, strap us in our cockpits, or on ship bridges, and let's have at it. In a small ship, you'd do more flying and trying to hit specific parts of the large ship. In a large ship, it would be more about the maintenance/repairs and positioning of the defense batteries/shields, etc. Have vulnerable points on ships - engines, shields, etc, etc... Here, ships would get customized, so the cost would be in components. People would get attached to their ships, so make them non-lootable. Make a loss hurt a little bit, but not too much.
Either way, encourage battles, and give people safe zones. No ganking anymore. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.16 16:02:00 -
[1638] - Quote
Looking forward to WiS and establishments CCP.
I know the CSM has your balls in a vice over null, but they wont be around forever. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2011.12.16 16:46:00 -
[1639] - Quote
Agallis Zinthros wrote:
Yeah.
Sometimes it's a desperate move to breathe life into a dying game.
Sometimes developers ruin the game by selling power.
Try taking a peek at how much League of Legends makes. Or consider that Dota 2 will be F2P.
Or, consider that TF2 made more money for Valve as a F2P game with a cosmetics shop than it ever did as a retail title, and it spent years as a retail title and sold very well. And yes, I know the Tf2 shop sells weapons, but they can be gained somewhat easily through normal play / trading too. More or less the same effect as PLEX.
F2P is the future in the MMO / persistent game business. Done right it will always make more money than a retail / subscription model.
Could you provide some actual numbers and compare them with EVE? Because without those your argument is just so much hot air. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
150
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Posted - 2011.12.16 20:18:00 -
[1640] - Quote
Agallis Zinthros wrote:Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.
.
What is it with this obsession with people wanting to gamble in game? I've asked it before and i will ask it again; why do you want something implemented by CCP which is already implemented a million times over by other companies out there?
If I wanted to play poker I go to poker site and not EVE If I wanted to play a spaceship/spacestation game I go to EVE and not a poker site.
There's gobs of good poker sites out there, for example, so why have CCP waste resources on developing yet another when can expand Walking In Stations/Flying In Space like no-one else can? |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.16 21:00:00 -
[1641] - Quote
Ask not why. Ask instead why not. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
974
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Posted - 2011.12.16 21:14:00 -
[1642] - Quote
EvE has been free to play for years...
When you need ISK for PLEX, Suicide Gank a mission runner, sell the shinies that drop, buy PLEX.
Actually paying for this game is for scrubs. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Nyla Skin
Dark Circle Enforcement Templis Dragonaors
67
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Posted - 2011.12.16 21:19:00 -
[1643] - Quote
Xolve wrote:EvE has been free to play for years...
When you need ISK for PLEX, Suicide Gank a mission runner, sell the shinies that drop, buy PLEX.
Actually paying for this game is for scrubs.
You can thank those scrubs for being able to play for free. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.16 21:22:00 -
[1644] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.
. What is it with this obsession with people wanting to gamble in game? I've asked it before and i will ask it again; why do you want something implemented by CCP which is already implemented a million times over by other companies out there? If I wanted to play poker I go to poker site and not EVE If I wanted to play a spaceship/spacestation game I go to EVE and not a poker site. There's gobs of good poker sites out there, for example, so why have CCP waste resources on developing yet another when can expand Walking In Stations/Flying In Space like no-one else can?
Most people i know in EVE I only know them at EVE, not elsewhere. So that's one good reason to want to be able to socialize within EVE and not elsewhere.
Anyway, who cares? CCP is determined to f*ck people who want WiS. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:00:00 -
[1645] - Quote
Quote:What was the statistic... 61% of players have a playstyle that operates around Null-Sec, therefore- 61% of the players will vote to improve nullsec, thereby what lies in the future, has no effect on empire. Almost ever person on the CSM is from where again?
wrong , in favor of 0.0 PI taxes in high are doubled ,if the csm get their way more ways to earn your isk will be removed from high CCP already did nerf highsec missionincome by removing high value items from wrecks and replaced them with scrapmetal
They did this to get more people to the lower security systems and null,did it help ? NO!! will the next isk drain from high will move more to null? NO,people don,t want to change the way they want to play this game ,they struggle on or leave
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:03:00 -
[1646] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.
Summer expansion should be enough to fix a lot of the gameplay that irks me.
Also fix PI taxes in highsec pls CCP. POS feul going crazy places soon.
I'm gonna vote in the same CSM though, even if they're too aggressive towards these features.
CCP went the wrong direction (useless crap like NEX on top of a subscription model), and the CSM set them straight.
Now, if WiS became full-featured and the NEX store got expanded along with dropping the subscription model ...
Well, barbies could very well pay so PVP-focused players like me don't have to. A lot of games that went from sub to F2P + paid cosmetics have seen largely increased playerbases and revenue. Eve should be able to pull the same. Microtransaction paint jobs anyone? All assuming no more sub costs of course. kill yourself, we don't need passerby bitches like you in this game
next time activate your second braincell ,before you respond in a way like this I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
974
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:22:00 -
[1647] - Quote
Nyla Skin wrote:You can thank those scrubs for being able to play for free.
I do when I gank them, and then again a few hours later, when I pass them in another Tengu... that I relieve them of... that was no doubt purchased with PLEX.
Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
974
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:30:00 -
[1648] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:wrong , in favor of 0.0 PI taxes in high are doubled ,if the csm get their way more ways to earn your isk will be removed from high CCP already did nerf highsec missionincome by removing high value items from wrecks and replaced them with scrapmetal
They did this to get more people to the lower security systems and null,did it help ? NO!! will the next isk drain from high will move more to null? NO,people don,t want to change the way they want to play this game ,they struggle on or leave
You know what I think is funny- Null and Lowsec are typically safer then Empire once you move away from the border/entrance to empire systems. There are no neutrals in your alliance space, there are no suicide gankers, no neutral logistics, no griefers.. theres the occasional roaming gang or two, but thats what intel channels are for.
I can't help but laugh at all these people who think living out in big scary null means they are going to die by the first neutral or red that enters system. Hell- if your into running missions or ratting/plexes or what not, I don't know why you don't move to Null.. A tengu can makea couple hundred million ISK in a few hours between rats and faction drops. Logistics people can make mountains of ISK by seeding the market down there.
Its even profitable to buy out all the ship contracts and relist them for 5% more; everything in Nullsec will sell, quickly at that. Most of the big alliances arn't difficult to get into in the slightest. The only difference between empire bears and nullbears is the sliver of attention that a nullbear dedicates to watching local, and occasionally checking the intel channel. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:30:00 -
[1649] - Quote
I'm seeing here a bit of misinformation and a lack of vision on both sides.
The barbie lovers, are not fighting for the NeX Store or Incarna as it is now. The FiS supporters, who do not really exist because those are all of us, should understand that CCP promised a lot of amazing features for Incarna that almost everyone seemed to like, and after years of patient waiting, we got an aberration that no one could swallow, which has divided us.
Now we, the WiS supporters, are the martyrs and those who have harmed the game, just for believing in what CCP promised us.
Until last year, we were united, fighting, playing and enjoying the same game and supporting the same developers. They screwed up, not us, it's not our fault. So please stop the blaming because that doesn't have nothing to do with us.
WiS can take shape in a myriad of ways, most of it great, but if we don't express what we want to CCP over and a over, they'll end doing... well, something like what we have now. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
974
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:58:00 -
[1650] - Quote
Hikaru Kuroda wrote:I'm seeing here a bit of misinformation and a lack of vision on both sides.
The barbie lovers, are not fighting for the NeX Store or Incarna as it is now. The FiS supporters, who do not really exist because those are all of us, should understand that CCP promised a lot of amazing features for Incarna that almost everyone seemed to like, and after years of patient waiting, we got an aberration that no one could swallow, which has divided us.
Now we, the WiS supporters, are the martyrs and those who have harmed the game, just for believing in what CCP promised us.
Until last year, we were united, fighting, playing and enjoying the same game and supporting the same developers. They screwed up, not us, it's not our fault. So please stop the blaming because that doesn't have nothing to do with us.
WiS can take shape in a myriad of ways, most of it great, but if we don't express what we want to CCP over and a over, they'll end doing... well, something like what we have now.
Pretty sure at some level, all the FiS diehards wanted WiS or Ambulation to be successful, and there we all aspects of it every player type 'could' enjoy or use; since a large part of this game is social and whatnot, showing off spaceclothes and mini-bars and casinos and all that; while I have my own opinions of these things, appeal to alot of people....
At the same time, nobody wanted a Fluff Feature to become the source of suffering for Primary Game Play or FiS. I am a supporter of WiS, because I like the multi-faceted nature of EvE; but at the same time, first and foremost I want my FiS to be as near to flawless and bug-free as CCP can manage, and I highly doubt I am alone in that regard.
Most of the bickering back and forth on this forum has little to do with the message the OP was trying to convey and more to do with the manner and delivery in which they chose to convey it. So like many have said already- we all want WiS at some degree, but we don't want it to take precedence over core gameplay and game play mechanics/bugs. CCP realized this, and did what they had to do to preserve their game (and rightfully so). Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
59
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:00:00 -
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I would certainly like to have an avatar of a real person that I see on a regular basis. I am kind of tired of my "real" avatar at this point being whatever type of ship I am flying.
I am all for walking around in stations, and even on ships for that matter. I would like to see station and ship interiors like a cargo bay with stacks of containers or goods, drone bays with drones in them, weapons magazines and loaders, and people in the hallways.
The people thing also begs the question of, when are we going to actually get crew? I would like it to be soon please. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
974
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:03:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:The people thing also begs the question of, when are we going to actually get crew? I would like it to be soon please
Never. Pod pilots don't require a crew, and thats the 'beauty' of being a pod pilot, our mind is linked to our ship and somehow become one with our body and whatnot... Which also mean we will never walk around our ship, we are confined to our pods.
According to EvE Lore the only descriptor that ever said anything about a crew is the Raven State Issue or the Federation Mega, I can't remember which. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
59
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:05:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Shizuken wrote:The people thing also begs the question of, when are we going to actually get crew? I would like it to be soon please ...our mind is linked to our ship and somehow become one with our body and whatnot... Which also mean we will never walk around our ship, we are confined to our pods.
Then what the hell are all those windows for?
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Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
974
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:06:00 -
[1654] - Quote
Shizuken wrote:Xolve wrote:Shizuken wrote:The people thing also begs the question of, when are we going to actually get crew? I would like it to be soon please ...our mind is linked to our ship and somehow become one with our body and whatnot... Which also mean we will never walk around our ship, we are confined to our pods. Then what the hell are all those windows for?
Aesthetics. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:12:00 -
[1655] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Shizuken wrote:The people thing also begs the question of, when are we going to actually get crew? I would like it to be soon please Never. Pod pilots don't require a crew, and thats the 'beauty' of being a pod pilot, our mind is linked to our ship and somehow become one with our body and whatnot... Which also mean we will never walk around our ship, we are confined to our pods. According to EvE Lore the only descriptor that ever said anything about a crew is the Raven State Issue or the Federation Mega, I can't remember which.
Never read the novels did you?
The ships have crews. |
Fallenlassen
6
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:17:00 -
[1656] - Quote
I've been playing EVE on hardcore for a while now, whenever I'm podded I trash or sell the character, quit or buy a new one. It has been a strange ride, probably like 5 years of this, god knows how many accounts. I wouldn't mind stepping it up, doing away with pods, so I can mingle with my crew. Maybe it could be like the bridge of the starship enterprise with various friends and mercenaries and whenever we exploded the cycle would begin anew with the next generation.
Though I've been leaning towards industry lately |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
974
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:25:00 -
[1657] - Quote
Bartholemu Fu-Baz wrote: Never read the novels did you?
The ships have crews.
Actually I did read the novels, and there is a distinct difference between 'Capsuleers' and regular ship pilots.
Remember the details next time before you try and correct someone.
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
59
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:41:00 -
[1658] - Quote
Xolve wrote:
Actually I did read the novels, and there is a distinct difference between 'Capsuleers' and regular ship pilots.
Remember the details next time before you try and correct someone.
Go read EON #24.
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Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.12.17 00:59:00 -
[1659] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Bartholemu Fu-Baz wrote: Never read the novels did you?
The ships have crews.
Actually I did read the novels, and there is a distinct difference between 'Capsuleers' and regular ship pilots. Remember the details next time before you try and correct someone.
You need to reread and heed your own advise.
I am aware that much of the novels describe the goings on of non-capsuleer ships, but there are still references to the crews of capsuleer ships. I suspect you tuned that out due to what is called "confirmation bias", you see what you expect to see.
I can sympathize. I think its strange within the lore of things to have these crews, and not have any interaction with them and care little when your ships are destroyed. But as a little known fact, on average hundreds of mortal humans die for each kill mail. (Vary by ship size obviously.)
EDIT: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ship%27s_Crew Heh, they do kind of appear in game. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.17 01:02:00 -
[1660] - Quote
This is IMPORTANT, people! |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.17 02:26:00 -
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Agallis Zinthros wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Agallis Zinthros wrote:Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.
Summer expansion should be enough to fix a lot of the gameplay that irks me.
Also fix PI taxes in highsec pls CCP. POS feul going crazy places soon.
I'm gonna vote in the same CSM though, even if they're too aggressive towards these features.
CCP went the wrong direction (useless crap like NEX on top of a subscription model), and the CSM set them straight.
Now, if WiS became full-featured and the NEX store got expanded along with dropping the subscription model ...
Well, barbies could very well pay so PVP-focused players like me don't have to. A lot of games that went from sub to F2P + paid cosmetics have seen largely increased playerbases and revenue. Eve should be able to pull the same. Microtransaction paint jobs anyone? All assuming no more sub costs of course. kill yourself, we don't need passerby bitches like you in this game Huh. Found a mad site while probing. Free to play is a better business model for MMOs. The industry has proven it time and again. The average user will buy a little (maybe $5 of stuff per month), but the obsessive users will spend oodles of dosh. Also, more people playing Eve = more targets. And that's never a bad thing.
i highly doubt there are enough barbie lovers buying useless crap spending enough to sustain the 600+ staff ccp needs to run things last time i checked, most games started out with monthly sub model, moving on to F2P when they are dying last time i checked all those korean f2p games sucks balls
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.17 02:30:00 -
[1662] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Quote:What was the statistic... 61% of players have a playstyle that operates around Null-Sec, therefore- 61% of the players will vote to improve nullsec, thereby what lies in the future, has no effect on empire. Almost ever person on the CSM is from where again? wrong , in favor of 0.0 PI taxes in high are doubled ,if the csm get their way more ways to earn your isk will be removed from high CCP already did nerf highsec missionincome by removing high value items from wrecks and replaced them with scrapmetal They did this to get more people to the lower security systems and null,did it help ? NO!! will the next isk drain from high will move more to null? NO,people don,t want to change the way they want to play this game ,they struggle on or leave
i know right? all lvl 4s should be in low and null One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.17 03:30:00 -
[1663] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: i know right? all lvl 4s should be in low and null
Checks posters corp. Checks CSM roster. Checks SA and K forums.
Nothing new here.
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Eternize
Siam Dragons The Jagged Alliance
12
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:25:00 -
[1664] - Quote
I want both FiS and WiS ^^ |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:28:00 -
[1665] - Quote
Eternize wrote:I want both FiS and WiS ^^
+1
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Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
974
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Posted - 2011.12.17 15:37:00 -
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Bartholemu Fu-Baz wrote:You need to reread and heed your own advise. I am aware that much of the novels describe the goings on of non-capsuleer ships, but there are still references to the crews of capsuleer ships. I suspect you tuned that out due to what is called "confirmation bias", you see what you expect to see. I can sympathize. I think its strange within the lore of things to have these crews, and not have any interaction with them and care little when your ships are destroyed. But as a little known fact, on average hundreds of mortal humans die for each kill mail. (Vary by ship size obviously.) EDIT: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ship%27s_CrewHeh, they do kind of appear in game.
Non-Capsuleer Ships indeed have crews, have all the working positions you would find on a regular naval vessel, with security, engineers, mechanics, a flight crew, etc. etc.
According to Game Lore the underlying difference is that a Capsuleer has full control of his ship via the capsule itself, a reworking of Jovian technology that allows the actual Pod Pilot and the ship to become one concious being; As the capsuleer thinks it, the ship responds. Not everyone in New Eden is a Capsuleer, under going the required cybernetic implants is risky, and many do not possess the physical well being or the small mountain of ISK to under-go the necessary surgeries and what not.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.17 15:53:00 -
[1667] - Quote
no ships piloted by pod-pilots still have crews, but significantly less than non-pod piloted ships due to the mind-link of the ship's main functions to the pod i read it on the wiki you can look it up, the wiki also states that minmatar ships require more crews than all other races cus they ghetto but really who cares One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Eternize
Siam Dragons The Jagged Alliance
12
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Posted - 2011.12.17 16:15:00 -
[1668] - Quote
I think all cap ships should operate by more than one pod-pilots for optimal performance each pilot control certain role of the ship (how many depend on ship size). I think it will make cap ship more realistic and balance per-pilot firepower (compare to sub capital class). |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.17 16:35:00 -
[1669] - Quote
Lets talk about WIS first maybe Walking in Ships comes later I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:45:00 -
[1670] - Quote
So CCP ,maybe some replies on this one? I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.12.17 21:29:00 -
[1671] - Quote
Xolve wrote:
Non-Capsuleer Ships indeed have crews, have all the working positions you would find on a regular naval vessel, with security, engineers, mechanics, a flight crew, etc. etc.
According to Game Lore the underlying difference is that a Capsuleer has full control of his ship via the capsule itself, a reworking of Jovian technology that allows the actual Pod Pilot and the ship to become one concious being; As the capsuleer thinks it, the ship responds. Not everyone in New Eden is a Capsuleer, under going the required cybernetic implants is risky, and many do not possess the physical well being or the small mountain of ISK to under-go the necessary surgeries and what not.
As it happens I think you should be right (I'd prefer not to be responsible for so many deaths), but you are not.
For extensive discussions on the topic:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=310861 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=450564
Perhaps you could be a little less assertive what you THINK YOU KNOW, as opposed to what you know you can prove. Might improve your social life. |
Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.12.17 21:40:00 -
[1672] - Quote
And on the topic at hand...
IMHO:
FiS is the core of the game, but WiS is a fine addition as long as the core is not harmed or neglected.
I'd love to see:
* Establishments such as shops and bars * Customizable CQ on my ship(s) (Pod expansion?) * Out of pod adventures (Deus Ex style would be tremendously cool, stealth and gank opponents as they leave establishments, woot) * New (reasonably priced, no battleship costing skirts FFS, perhaps dump AUR for ISK?) clothes and allow sexier Gallente as they truly should be. * And looking forward to the experiment with Dust, but probably would prefer PC client.
But don't dump the bug fixing and UI work to get at this. Please. PLEASE |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2011.12.17 22:07:00 -
[1673] - Quote
Bartholemu Fu-Baz wrote:And on the topic at hand...
IMHO:
FiS is the core of the game, but WiS is a fine addition as long as the core is not harmed or neglected.
I'd love to see:
* Establishments such as shops and bars * Customizable CQ on my ship(s) (Pod expansion?) * Out of pod adventures (Deus Ex style would be tremendously cool, stealth and gank opponents as they leave establishments, woot) * New (reasonably priced, no battleship costing skirts FFS, perhaps dump AUR for ISK?) clothes and allow sexier Gallente as they truly should be. * And looking forward to the experiment with Dust, but probably would prefer PC client.
But don't dump the bug fixing and UI work to get at this. Please. PLEASE
lightsabers:P opps
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.17 22:33:00 -
[1674] - Quote
Bartholemu Fu-Baz wrote:Xolve wrote:
Non-Capsuleer Ships indeed have crews, have all the working positions you would find on a regular naval vessel, with security, engineers, mechanics, a flight crew, etc. etc.
According to Game Lore the underlying difference is that a Capsuleer has full control of his ship via the capsule itself, a reworking of Jovian technology that allows the actual Pod Pilot and the ship to become one concious being; As the capsuleer thinks it, the ship responds. Not everyone in New Eden is a Capsuleer, under going the required cybernetic implants is risky, and many do not possess the physical well being or the small mountain of ISK to under-go the necessary surgeries and what not.
As it happens I think you should be right (I'd prefer not to be responsible for so many deaths), but you are not. For extensive discussions on the topic: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=310861http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=450564Perhaps you could be a little less assertive what you THINK YOU KNOW, as opposed to what you know you can prove. Might improve your social life.
Chronicles are very clear:
All these lives are fit to ruin
There was another one about a capsuleer who had an habit to transplant faces from a crewman to another (sick stuff, EVE stuff), but can't recall the title. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:35:00 -
[1675] - Quote
Bartholemu Fu-Baz wrote:And on the topic at hand...
IMHO:
FiS is the core of the game, but WiS is a fine addition as long as the core is not harmed or neglected.
I'd love to see:
* Establishments such as shops and bars * Customizable CQ on my ship(s) (Pod expansion?) * Out of pod adventures (Deus Ex style would be tremendously cool, stealth and gank opponents as they leave establishments, woot) * New (reasonably priced, no battleship costing skirts FFS, perhaps dump AUR for ISK?) clothes and allow sexier Gallente as they truly should be. * And looking forward to the experiment with Dust, but probably would prefer PC client.
But don't dump the bug fixing and UI work to get at this. Please. PLEASE
thats what we all want
now for a ccp response if they can make that happen I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.18 11:01:00 -
[1676] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
thats what we all want
now for a ccp response if they can make that happen
I remember that earlier on in this thread that a Dev mentioned that CCP was interested in our suggestions on what gameplay should happen in Incarna. Aside from the features and ideas section of the forum (and who knows what does and doesn't get read in there), I'm wondering how we can make the process more participatory for both sides.
Maybe do some crowd sourcing for gameplay features? Or a survey as part of the next EVE newsletter to all players asking them to rate various potential gameplay items for WiS?
At least this way, CCP can demonstrate player support for the features they include in stations. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2011.12.18 11:51:00 -
[1677] - Quote
For the record, this is what CCP has said on this thread so far:
CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high. We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.
That was 54 days ago, post #225 from October 25th (page 12). What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.18 11:56:00 -
[1678] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high. We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.
this one you mean??
CCP phantom stated that the rest of the CQ were released nothing more nothing less
there are a lot of threads with people describing their vision about WIS
What is important (at least to me) is it possible to give FIS the love it has now and still work on WIS
Given the short period the said it was needed for Crubicle ,CCP can do a lot in 6 months I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
137
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Posted - 2011.12.18 11:58:00 -
[1679] - Quote
If anything should be going on in station involving capsuleers it should be smuggling. Hopefully that will be a part of some future, probably never going to happen, crime focused expansion. That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.18 12:00:00 -
[1680] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:For the record, this is what CCP has said on this thread so far: CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high. We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff. That was 54 days ago, post #225 from October 25th (page 12).
54 days is along time to come with a good response , I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Phizban
The Needs Of The Few The Needs Of The Few Many
188
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Posted - 2011.12.19 07:02:00 -
[1681] - Quote
And make sure you deploy sneaking skills, and lockpicking... and if we have NeX items on they can be stolen, and make it so we can steal peoples souls and use them to power our POS. Also make it so you can dance a jig. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2011.12.19 14:24:00 -
[1682] - Quote
Guess the film:
Starred by Charlton Heston, Ava Gardner and David Niven, this film dramatizes the Boxer rebellion in China (1900) from the point of view of Western citizens besieged in Peking.
Clue: the title starts with the amount of days since the last CCP deigned himself to answer to this thread. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Illion
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2011.12.20 00:43:00 -
[1683] - Quote
CCP are between a rock and a hard place.. they can only please some of the people some of the time.
They're just going to bide their time until the FiS lobby are satisfied and then slowly start to introduce more Incarna stuff.
You know that they *want* to do Incarna stuff.. that is where they see the future of eve, that's clearly demonstrated by the path they took before they got ***** slapped. Its fundamental to the all round 'sci-fi simulator'.
Don't worry, Incarna will come... they must have thousands of lines of Incarna code from the last aborted release sat their waiting to be implemented, only a couple of weeks away from release. It just needs to be slowly leaked out.
They cant answer this thread to say that because they will get hammered again by a very vocal group who post everywhere that their game is being ruined.
Ill.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.20 01:02:00 -
[1684] - Quote
Illion wrote:CCP are between a rock and a hard place.. they can only please some of the people some of the time.
They're just going to bide their time until the FiS lobby are satisfied and then slowly start to introduce more Incarna stuff.
You know that they *want* to do Incarna stuff.. that is where they see the future of eve, that's clearly demonstrated by the path they took before they got ***** slapped. Its fundamental to the all round 'sci-fi simulator'.
Don't worry, Incarna will come... they must have thousands of lines of Incarna code from the last aborted release sat their waiting to be implemented, only a couple of weeks away from release. It just needs to be slowly leaked out.
They cant answer this thread to say that because they will get hammered again by a very vocal group who post everywhere that their game is being ruined.
Ill.
Personally I think most of the players who want WiS would be satisfied if CCP were to say, we aim to have multiplayer establishments implemented in the next 12 months (at one stage these were 'ready to go' on singularity according to one Dev).
I think most of the announcements on EVE will be made at Fanfest, although it would be great to get something before then.
I mean, surely a 75 page thread on Incarna deserves some sort of reply. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.20 01:14:00 -
[1685] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Illion wrote:CCP are between a rock and a hard place.. they can only please some of the people some of the time.
They're just going to bide their time until the FiS lobby are satisfied and then slowly start to introduce more Incarna stuff.
You know that they *want* to do Incarna stuff.. that is where they see the future of eve, that's clearly demonstrated by the path they took before they got ***** slapped. Its fundamental to the all round 'sci-fi simulator'.
Don't worry, Incarna will come... they must have thousands of lines of Incarna code from the last aborted release sat their waiting to be implemented, only a couple of weeks away from release. It just needs to be slowly leaked out.
They cant answer this thread to say that because they will get hammered again by a very vocal group who post everywhere that their game is being ruined.
Ill.
Personally I think most of the players who want WiS would be satisfied if CCP were to say, we aim to have multiplayer establishments implemented in the next 12 months (at one stage these were 'ready to go' on singularity according to one Dev). I think most of the announcements on EVE will be made at Fanfest, although it would be great to get something before then. I mean, surely a 75 page thread on Incarna deserves some sort of reply.
You are not going to get that kind of commitment here because CCP does not even know if they will need to layoff more people or not to stay in business. If you want WIS to become a reality, you need to start buying a lot a PLEX, get a lot of old players to come back (CCP is working hard on this) or get new players to join for the content and features we have now.
EVE revenue alone has been funding development of 3 separate games for the last 3 years, which became unsustainable when they lost 25% of their concurrent online player numbers after the ham-fisted NEX/Incarna release. Adding to that, there was something like a $10Mil bank loan that came due in October they either refinanced or had to pony-up.
They are literally fighting for their jobs, and if you are very lucky CCP might have enough confidence and insight into their present situation to commit to something at fanfest. But don't count on it, CCP makes a lot of promises and hints at a lot of things at fanfest that don't become reality. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.20 01:16:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Flamespar wrote:Illion wrote:CCP are between a rock and a hard place.. they can only please some of the people some of the time.
They're just going to bide their time until the FiS lobby are satisfied and then slowly start to introduce more Incarna stuff.
You know that they *want* to do Incarna stuff.. that is where they see the future of eve, that's clearly demonstrated by the path they took before they got ***** slapped. Its fundamental to the all round 'sci-fi simulator'.
Don't worry, Incarna will come... they must have thousands of lines of Incarna code from the last aborted release sat their waiting to be implemented, only a couple of weeks away from release. It just needs to be slowly leaked out.
They cant answer this thread to say that because they will get hammered again by a very vocal group who post everywhere that their game is being ruined.
Ill.
Personally I think most of the players who want WiS would be satisfied if CCP were to say, we aim to have multiplayer establishments implemented in the next 12 months (at one stage these were 'ready to go' on singularity according to one Dev). I think most of the announcements on EVE will be made at Fanfest, although it would be great to get something before then. I mean, surely a 75 page thread on Incarna deserves some sort of reply. You are not going to get that kind of commitment here because CCP does not even know if they will need to layoff more people or not to stay in business. If you want WIS to become a reality, you need to start buying a lot a PLEX, get a lot of old players to come back (CCP is working hard on this) or get new players to join for the content and features we have now. EVE revenue alone has been funding development of 3 separate games for the last 3 years, which became unsustainable when they lost 25% of their concurrent online player numbers after the ham-fisted NEX/Incarna release. Adding to that, there was something like a $10Mil bank loan that came due in October they either refinanced or had to pony-up. They are literally fighting for their jobs, and if you are very lucky CCP might have enough confidence and insight into their present situation to commit to something at fanfest. But don't count on it, CCP makes a lot of promises and hints at a lot of things at fanfest that don't become reality.
Work for CCP? No. Then quit the endless speculation. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
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Posted - 2011.12.20 01:30:00 -
[1687] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Illion wrote:CCP are between a rock and a hard place.. they can only please some of the people some of the time.
They're just going to bide their time until the FiS lobby are satisfied and then slowly start to introduce more Incarna stuff.
You know that they *want* to do Incarna stuff.. that is where they see the future of eve, that's clearly demonstrated by the path they took before they got ***** slapped. Its fundamental to the all round 'sci-fi simulator'.
Don't worry, Incarna will come... they must have thousands of lines of Incarna code from the last aborted release sat their waiting to be implemented, only a couple of weeks away from release. It just needs to be slowly leaked out.
They cant answer this thread to say that because they will get hammered again by a very vocal group who post everywhere that their game is being ruined.
Ill.
Personally I think most of the players who want WiS would be satisfied if CCP were to say, we aim to have multiplayer establishments implemented in the next 12 months (at one stage these were 'ready to go' on singularity according to one Dev). I think most of the announcements on EVE will be made at Fanfest, although it would be great to get something before then. I mean, surely a 75 page thread on Incarna deserves some sort of reply. If this was a one sided pro-WiS thread then I'm sure CCP would have responded, but it is not. There are many varied points of view in this thread and CCP needs to decide where WiS is headed before saying anything further about it.
The worst thing CCP could do at this time is make comments on WiS that may not become reality or would you prefer them to say they will do this and that without eventually delivering on those statements. Right now they do not need more potentially broken promises, they need to deliver on what they say they will do to garner back some of their lost reputation.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.20 01:30:00 -
[1688] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Flamespar wrote:Illion wrote:CCP are between a rock and a hard place.. they can only please some of the people some of the time.
They're just going to bide their time until the FiS lobby are satisfied and then slowly start to introduce more Incarna stuff.
You know that they *want* to do Incarna stuff.. that is where they see the future of eve, that's clearly demonstrated by the path they took before they got ***** slapped. Its fundamental to the all round 'sci-fi simulator'.
Don't worry, Incarna will come... they must have thousands of lines of Incarna code from the last aborted release sat their waiting to be implemented, only a couple of weeks away from release. It just needs to be slowly leaked out.
They cant answer this thread to say that because they will get hammered again by a very vocal group who post everywhere that their game is being ruined.
Ill.
Personally I think most of the players who want WiS would be satisfied if CCP were to say, we aim to have multiplayer establishments implemented in the next 12 months (at one stage these were 'ready to go' on singularity according to one Dev). I think most of the announcements on EVE will be made at Fanfest, although it would be great to get something before then. I mean, surely a 75 page thread on Incarna deserves some sort of reply. You are not going to get that kind of commitment here because CCP does not even know if they will need to layoff more people or not to stay in business. If you want WIS to become a reality, you need to start buying a lot a PLEX, get a lot of old players to come back (CCP is working hard on this) or get new players to join for the content and features we have now. EVE revenue alone has been funding development of 3 separate games for the last 3 years, which became unsustainable when they lost 25% of their concurrent online player numbers after the ham-fisted NEX/Incarna release. Adding to that, there was something like a $10Mil bank loan that came due in October they either refinanced or had to pony-up. They are literally fighting for their jobs, and if you are very lucky CCP might have enough confidence and insight into their present situation to commit to something at fanfest. But don't count on it, CCP makes a lot of promises and hints at a lot of things at fanfest that don't become reality. Work for CCP? No. Then quit the endless speculation.
It's hardly speculation, and I'm hardly the only one who has pointed this out. CCP laid off 20% of their staff almost closing the whitewolf office which is where WOD is being developed. WIS is the test platform and foundation for WOD. The loan was public information and you can review the PCU numbers after Incarna by visting eve-offline.com which showed 25% lower concurrent player levels not seen since 2008. Add to that, the Great Leader's "apology" letter where he talks about most all of this.
Wait till their financials are posted in Iceland after the end of the year and you can see for yourself without having to look around too much.
Or, maybe if you stamp your feet some more for WIS mommy will give you a biscuit. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
227
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Posted - 2011.12.20 01:58:00 -
[1689] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
It's hardly speculation, and I'm hardly the only one who has pointed this out. CCP laid off 20% of their staff almost closing the whitewolf office which is where WOD is being developed. WIS is the test platform and foundation for WOD. The loan was public information and you can review the PCU numbers after Incarna by visting eve-offline.com which showed 25% lower concurrent player levels not seen since 2008. Add to that, the Great Leader's "apology" letter where he talks about most all of this.
Wait till their financials are posted in Iceland after the end of the year and you can see for yourself without having to look around too much.
Or, maybe if you stamp your feet some more for WIS mommy will give you a biscuit.
That might be true, but that rather assumes that WiS development was only a by product of WOD development and had no value in and of itself to EVE Online.
There is the view point that CCPs change in direction (post summer of rage) was entirely and solely to do with WiS - but the subject is rather more complex than that. Yes there were, and are, many detractors from WiS (namely an Avatar based element of EVE). But the summer of rage consisted of numerous player complaints - the introduction of MTs to the game, the lack of attention to other 'hot topics' and so forth.
I think that CCP will first wait on delivering DUST514, whilst making incremental steps to EVE Onlines FiS. Once DUST514 is out the door I think returning to some form of 'WiS' (perhaps a rather different evolution to how it has been envisaged to date) will come to the fore. It seems unlikely that CCP can, or will, just leave WiS as a series of CQs - that said they are under no time pressure to resolve that particular quandary.
C.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.20 02:45:00 -
[1690] - Quote
Cailais wrote:
That might be true, but that rather assumes that WiS development was only a by product of WOD development and had no value in and of itself to EVE Online.
We are the guinea pigs for WOD, we always have been. We are its proving ground for the underlying tech and we will reap any "benefits" that come out of it. Presently we are nothing better than beta testers who pay for the privilege. Whatever value WIS it is supposed to bring to EVE, CCP cannot seem to clearly quantify what that will be, and after so many years that has people who want it and have their own vision of it understandably miffed.
Cailais wrote: There is the view point that CCPs change in direction (post summer of rage) was entirely and solely to do with WiS - but the subject is rather more complex thhan that. Yes there were, and are, many detractors from WiS (namely an Avatar based element of EVE). But the summer of rage consisted of numerous player complaints - the introduction of MTs to the game, the lack of attention to other 'hot topics' and so forth.
That's not my viewpoint, but I agree there are many who blame it all on WIS. A significant part of it was that CCP was too busy saying how awesome everything was (even though Incarna was half-baked) instead of addressing real player concerns over stuff that has been plaguing the game for years. It felt to some long time players like CCP just abandoned EVE's core game play for some quick dosh.
There were a lot of reasons, and it just fanned the flames when the Great Leader was caught red handed taking his customers for granted. Time will tell if his apology was just lip service or not.
Cailais wrote:
I think that CCP will first wait on delivering DUST514, whilst making incremental steps to EVE Onlines FiS. Once DUST514 is out the door I think returning to some form of 'WiS' (perhaps a rather different evolution to how it has been envisaged to date) will come to the fore. It seems unlikely that CCP can, or will, just leave WiS as a series of CQs - that said they are under no time pressure to resolve that particular quandary.
I am convinced they are going to continue full-steam on DUST development right now because they are too far invested not to, and they have contractual obligations with Sony. If we see WIS iterations anytime soon it will be because the money is there to do it. That's either because DUST is a profitable success, and/or EVE player numbers and revenue return to levels that can sustain all 3 games and all the staff necessary. EVE will see FIS iterations, whether or not they are as appealing as Crucible was will be interesting indeed. I'd love to see what CCP can do in 6 months with FIS working under the gun like they just did.
This has all been hashed and re-hashed before, and it all boils down to money and contractual obligations. If People want WIS sooner than later, CCP needs the cash to do it. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.20 03:09:00 -
[1691] - Quote
edit: double post
CCP fix your gorram forums! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Sallaria Gengod
Doomheim
4
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Posted - 2011.12.20 03:23:00 -
[1692] - Quote
I might be new, but one of the things that attracted me to this game was the fact that it was trying to do things that no other MMO has tried. DUST 514 tying into the game of Eve Online and walking in stations. I can tell you now...that there are thousands of people, literally, waiting for WiS to come out before they even set foot in this game. THOUSANDS! So getting WiS up and running isnt just some flash in the pan idea that CCP should be shelving, it should be being developed for release as the first expanssion next year. Its that simple.
For those of you saying that CCP lost 25% of its players because of Incarna, I call BS on that unless you can show me the figures. Can you? No? Didnt think so. And even if they did lose that many, Cruicible took a BIG step in getting them back.
In short, I want WiS. I want to own my own Bar in Rens! MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.20 03:35:00 -
[1693] - Quote
Sallaria Gengod wrote: For those of you saying that CCP lost 25% of its players because of Incarna, I call BS on that unless you can show me the figures. Can you?
I can!
25% of concurrent players online does not equal 25% of all EVE players grasshopper. These are different things, but one does correlate to the other.
Also, I already disclosed where you can see this for yourself, but since you are new, I will post it again it for you:
eve-offline.net
(Click on Tranquility on the left menu. )
Look at the "All Time Daily Average" you will notice after June this year, it falls to 2008/2009 numbers which is about a average of 25K or so. We used to see 35K.
It is also interesting to note the last big peak was in January. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Diana Dour
Doomheim
16
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Posted - 2011.12.20 03:36:00 -
[1694] - Quote
Sallaria Gengod wrote:I might be new, but one of the things that attracted me to this game was the fact that it was trying to do things that no other MMO has tried. DUST 514 tying into the game of Eve Online and walking in stations. I can tell you now...that there are thousands of people, literally, waiting for WiS to come out before they even set foot in this game. THOUSANDS! So getting WiS up and running isnt just some flash in the pan idea that CCP should be shelving, it should be being developed for release as the first expanssion next year. Its that simple.
For those of you saying that CCP lost 25% of its players because of Incarna, I call BS on that unless you can show me the figures. Can you? No? Didnt think so. And even if they did lose that many, Cruicible took a BIG step in getting them back.
In short, I want WiS. I want to own my own Bar in Rens! MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!!
What failed was Hilmar and Soundwave's version of WiS. Which was NeX and...modeling? Player interaction, somehow was last on the list, establishments crossed off the list. Literally replaced by CCP brand skirts printed at the MT shop and a prison cell. They hired fashion designers for god ******* sakes... they abandoned a working engine and started a new untested one for some silly ass fad vampire game. It took them a decade to develop the "Loot All" function, they shouldn't be working on new games or selling skirts.
That's what lost them a chunk of their subscribers, not EVE WiS, or the idea of it. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.20 04:34:00 -
[1695] - Quote
Diana Dour wrote: What failed was Hilmar and Soundwave's version of WiS. Which was NeX and...modeling? Player interaction, somehow was last on the list, establishments crossed off the list. Literally replaced by CCP brand skirts printed at the MT shop and a prison cell. They hired fashion designers for god ******* sakes... they abandoned a working engine and started a new untested one for some silly ass fad vampire game. It took them a decade to develop the "Loot All" function, they shouldn't be working on new games or selling skirts.
That's what lost them a chunk of their subscribers, not EVE WiS, or the idea of it.
I don't know why players are saying the WoD is the reason the Incarna was developed. WiS/Ambulation/Incarna has been a concept that has been talked about, for far longer than WoD.
Also I don't know how 'working' that earlier engine was, since all we saw was still a single player environment (with graphics that were inferior to Incarna if you ask me).
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Jonni Favorite
Aliastra Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.12.20 04:37:00 -
[1696] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
Or, maybe if you stamp your feet some more for WIS mommy will give you a biscuit.
Unlikely.
I was also quite excited about adding another dimension to Eve, but let's be real. Between FIS, Dust, WoD, Incarna (in whatever.. ehm excuse the pun.. incarnation it may evolve into), is way on backburner, probably not dead in the grand scheme of things but I wouldn't hold my breath for it right now. It simply is not a priority, plus the botched attempt at the Incarna release last summer, pushed many of the players that were already on the fence about the idea, right over it, turning them into vocal opposition.
Unfortunate, but that's the state of affairs on this I believe..
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.20 04:45:00 -
[1697] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Diana Dour wrote: What failed was Hilmar and Soundwave's version of WiS. Which was NeX and...modeling? Player interaction, somehow was last on the list, establishments crossed off the list. Literally replaced by CCP brand skirts printed at the MT shop and a prison cell. They hired fashion designers for god ******* sakes... they abandoned a working engine and started a new untested one for some silly ass fad vampire game. It took them a decade to develop the "Loot All" function, they shouldn't be working on new games or selling skirts.
That's what lost them a chunk of their subscribers, not EVE WiS, or the idea of it.
I don't know why players are saying the WoD is the reason the Incarna was developed.
CCP purchased Whitewolf. CCP decided to make Whitewolf's WOD Vampire MMO. CCP needed tech to make WOD and "virtual worlds other than EVE" but all it had was Trinity. CCP converts aspects of EVE's Trinity engine to become "Carbon".
Linky
"This code has then been refined and extended to serve the needs of other CCP projects."
EVE WIS (Carbon character technology) is the test bed and foundation for WOD. Until it works here, it won't work there. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
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Posted - 2011.12.20 04:49:00 -
[1698] - Quote
Sallaria Gengod wrote:I might be new, but one of the things that attracted me to this game was the fact that it was trying to do things that no other MMO has tried. DUST 514 tying into the game of Eve Online and walking in stations. I can tell you now...that there are thousands of people, literally, waiting for WiS to come out before they even set foot in this game. THOUSANDS! So getting WiS up and running isnt just some flash in the pan idea that CCP should be shelving, it should be being developed for release as the first expanssion next year. Its that simple.
For those of you saying that CCP lost 25% of its players because of Incarna, I call BS on that unless you can show me the figures. Can you? No? Didnt think so. And even if they did lose that many, Cruicible took a BIG step in getting them back.
In short, I want WiS. I want to own my own Bar in Rens! MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!! Stating that the 25% sub loss is bs without the figures whilst also stating that WiS will bring in thousands of players without figures of your own does not bode well for your argument.
The actual PCU numbers over that last 12 months go against your comments and whilst I believe a fully functioning WiS can garner more interest in EVE it will not be the 'second coming of the messiah' with regards to subscriber numbers.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.20 07:02:00 -
[1699] - Quote
QQ more like the north koreans One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.20 08:01:00 -
[1700] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:QQ more like the north koreans The only people whing in this thread are the WiS haters because some people are asking CCP about the status and future of WiS and showing them that there are in fact players who still want it. |
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Vyra Valyr
G.E.A. Inc.
6
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Posted - 2011.12.20 08:22:00 -
[1701] - Quote
Vyra Valyr wrote:It's pretty sad to see the Great Vision for EVE falling apart so fast. WiS Expectations were build up over years and are now disintegrating in days and weeks.
I only see one fu**ing problem with establishments and multiplayer for Incarna. And this my Dear friends is their Engine. I mean the Characters look wonderful in Character Creation and still pretty good in our own little CQ but what the Hell have you guys programmed ? Look at some other games out there that pretty much offer the same Quality for half of the Hardware costs.
Since Captain Quarters are here and running (maybe not smooth and expensive but they are running) its not a far way to travel to acutally recieve some multiplayer Gameplay. Maybe even Create a Channel System f++r Crowded Places ? From a Design POV you guys have Everything ? Well atleast i thought so after hearing everything about Incarna and what CCP wanted to create with it. Mini Games, Bars, Agents, New In-Character Tutorial etc. you have your goddamn Technology running (again with crappy eprfomance but it runs)= ! You can't leave it now undone. IMHO the Whole Thing about Incarna was "we want a good start" well you had a bad start, but it started, you promised something and youi should deliver it. Again and again and again : Even with Focus on FiS i don't see a problem in realsing Incarna Content over time, because actually it feels like it's already here and the Rooms only need some assembling then you have to get some NPC's sitting around and animate them and such but you don*'t have to code a brand-new engine anymore or worry about how to integrate it, because that was the Big Part and that is done now !
Just Focus on FiS but, dont ever think about changing your direction because your Future Vision of EVE touched many Players and it will still become legendary once Dust 514 and Incarna 2.0 are out since you're the only guys who are actually able to do it or atleast willing to.
Just my 2 Cents, i Love you guys and i want some goddamn Tech 3 Frigs ! I Read about some around the Time the Tech 3 Cruisers were Live <.<
That's what i already posted in another Incarna related Topic. I just had to bring it up here Again. Anyone who is still Crying that FiS is Broken or doesn't get the Attention it deserves now should think about it for a moment. CCP can NOW actually Focus on FiS and still bring WiS Content in a good timeframe. I for one am one of the old Players that actually came Back for Incarna its just a Great Vision, creating the greatest Sci-Fi Simulator on Earth. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.20 10:11:00 -
[1702] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:QQ more like the north koreans The only people whing in this thread are the WiS haters because some people are asking CCP about the status and future of WiS and showing them that there are in fact players who still want it. The "WiS haters" (who are really just pro spaceship content) aren't whining. We won.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:03:00 -
[1703] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Arcathra wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:QQ more like the north koreans The only people whing in this thread are the WiS haters because some people are asking CCP about the status and future of WiS and showing them that there are in fact players who still want it. The "WiS haters" (who are really just pro spaceship content) aren't whining. We won.
Can you show us an diploma or some medal or other kind of prize you won ? Please ???? Anyway most of the people in this thread who like the idea of WiS won the same thing you did, because clearly they didnt like what Incarna became one bit... But the idea behind it "cough" Ambulation did have support. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:17:00 -
[1704] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:The "WiS haters" (who are really just pro spaceship content) aren't whining. We won.
Oh sorry, I confused your tears for actual whining, must have been the tears of joy because of your victory that I have seen...
To be serious: We all have won in a way. We now have the chance to get a lot more polish on our FiS gameplay and have the chance to get some meaningful WiS gameplay after all. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:32:00 -
[1705] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=544437#post544437
hope it works..
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:35:00 -
[1706] - Quote
oh god the ambulation trailers, have you ever seen a trailer thought yeah it looks good, saw the movie then it sucked balls? stop being so gullible and basing faith on trailers One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:37:00 -
[1707] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:oh god the ambulation trailers, have you ever seen a trailer thought yeah it looks good, saw the movie then it sucked balls? stop being so gullible and basing faith on trailers
never saw an ambulation trailer... I saw an ambulation "gameplay" from fun-fest i suppose.. and it looks good, and actually would work on most of the computers which has been built several years ago. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:12:00 -
[1708] - Quote
The footage shown in that presentation was really great and it looked like a lot of the work was already done. I just hope we get something of that in the near future. Maybe they really overshoot the mark with the new technology they tried to implement. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
546
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:18:00 -
[1709] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:The footage shown in that presentation was really great and it looked like a lot of the work was already done. I just hope we get something of that in the near future. Maybe they really overshoot the mark with the new technology they tried to implement.
They have been improving significantly the last months, they had to. I hope indeed that their older work is still out there to draw from. They are concentrating on the space part (the only part?) in eve which is good. But work should continue, they have many things drawn, textured and designed. They only need to poor it into the sandbox mould. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:01:00 -
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This page has been bumped to page one of eve general for 2 months.
We are now on page 76.
No one is reading these posts anymore.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:16:00 -
[1711] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:The "WiS haters" (who are really just pro spaceship content) aren't whining. We won. Can you show us an diploma or some medal or other kind of prize you won ? Please ???? The fact that CCP decided to shelve Dress-Up Dolls in favor of actual Eve-related content is all the proof you need. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.20 15:49:00 -
[1712] - Quote
CCP will get around to WiS.
Incarna generated too much interest to be ignored. It's just a shame how poorly managed the whole expansion was. If they'd done this "six weeks" of work on FiS and released it with Incarna they wouldn't be in such a deep hole at the moment. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:47:00 -
[1713] - Quote
Now if CCP just would have the decency to reply Just some info all we need we are not demanding WIS to be on EVE tomorrow
Just tell us if CCP ever will go back to WIS What their plans were just before quitting WIS And what possibility's they think they have when they could continue
So CCP show some decency I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:03:00 -
[1714] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:The "WiS haters" (who are really just pro spaceship content) aren't whining. We won. Can you show us an diploma or some medal or other kind of prize you won ? Please ???? The fact that CCP decided to shelve Dress-Up Dolls in favor of actual Eve-related content is all the proof you need. Sorry to break your little dream, but as far as we know it hasn't been shelved since now. They refocused their workforce to FiS conent and moved WiS content back. That doesn't mean that it is shelved or that they will never come back to it. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:18:00 -
[1715] - Quote
From another thread:
CCP Xhagen wrote:All the work is still there but with avatars being on the backburner for the time being and the focus being on spaceships, things in this area will happen slowly. But it sounds to me that you guys generally like the new creator but are asking for more distinct varieties between bloodlines and perhaps special stuff for each one. I'm fairly certain that can be accomplished more easily in the new character creator than it could be in the old. In fact, if I have understood the guys working on the new creator, the old one simply could not be developed further. It was one of the oldest piece of technology in the game (since 2002 or so) and was in dire need of a revamp. For example the option of giving your character a new haircut or dress it differently simply didn't exist in the old character creator - only a full remodeling was available (for a price). And adding that functionality would probably have taken a longer time than writing up a new one. I'll make sure that the people that are still working on avatar get this feedback. PS - I'm so much cooler now than I was before
I bolded the interesting part. Apparently work in ongoing right now by more than one person, at least on making more character options. Its just going to be slow. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.20 20:41:00 -
[1716] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:That doesn't mean that it is shelved or that they will never come back to it. Which is why we must be vigilant and make sure that CCP doesn't stray again.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2011.12.20 21:11:00 -
[1717] - Quote
As some of us want WiS, we need to be vigilant in the right way. When CCP focused almost entirely on WiS and abandoned FiS, that was bad. But its just as bad to abandon WiS. What is needed is balanced iteration of all features.
We need to be vigilant that no feature is abandoned. Hence this thread. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.20 21:24:00 -
[1718] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Arcathra wrote:That doesn't mean that it is shelved or that they will never come back to it. Which is why we must be vigilant and make sure that CCP doesn't stray again.
I like the way you Role-Playing.. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:21:00 -
[1719] - Quote
Again, CCP Please at least address the issue in this thread. Clarify the future of ambulation in Eve!
Issler |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:37:00 -
[1720] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Again, CCP Please at least address the issue in this thread. Clarify the future of ambulation in Eve!
Issler
Agreed.
You know, even if CCP clarify the future of Incarna by saying 'nothing new for WiS for 12 months, but will be doing this instead" at least players can then decide whether or not to keep waiting, or find something else to do.
This endless game of "wait and see" that has typified CCPs approach to WiS (and other features) is just ridiculous.
Just give us something to look forward to in regards to WiS. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:00:00 -
[1721] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:As some of us want WiS, we need to be vigilant in the right way. When CCP focused almost entirely on WiS and abandoned FiS, that was bad. But its just as bad to abandon WiS. What is needed is balanced iteration of all features.
We need to be vigilant that no feature is abandoned. Hence this thread. WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:06:00 -
[1722] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
It's a feature relevant to eve.
Otherwise it would never have been developed.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:07:00 -
[1723] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:As some of us want WiS, we need to be vigilant in the right way. When CCP focused almost entirely on WiS and abandoned FiS, that was bad. But its just as bad to abandon WiS. What is needed is balanced iteration of all features.
We need to be vigilant that no feature is abandoned. Hence this thread. WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
and you are ? The one who make all the hassle to come up with consensus everyone acknowledge as truth. Maybe its time for ancient dinosaurs to die out. And leave future for someone less holed in "what is what because that what it was." Maybe there are people who things EVE is glorified IRC client, so ships are irrelevant. And there are some who like the idea of EVE becoming Space Sci-fi "simulator" mainly based around ships exploding but with some blink to it. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:08:00 -
[1724] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
It's a feature relevant to eve. Otherwise it would never have been developed. And how did that work out for the game?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:10:00 -
[1725] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
It's a feature relevant to eve. Otherwise it would never have been developed. And how did that work out for the game?
It never was implemented.. So your question is hypothetical ?
As for that i cant really answer.. But it doesnt seem it done any harm to EVE. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:14:00 -
[1726] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
It's a feature relevant to eve. Otherwise it would never have been developed. And how did that work out for the game?
It's funny how most of the arguments from WiS haters amounts to nothing more than 'OMG IT"S NOT SPACESHIPS THEREFORES I HATEZ IT'.
Get an immagination fool. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:41:00 -
[1727] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Get an immagination fool. Heh...immagination The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:42:00 -
[1728] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
As for that i cant really answer.. But it doesnt seem it done any harm to EVE.
I bet the CCP employees that lost their job would disagree with you.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:45:00 -
[1729] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
As for that i cant really answer.. But it doesnt seem it done any harm to EVE.
I bet the employees that lost their job would agree with you.
Selective quoting .. is great.. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:47:00 -
[1730] - Quote
I didn't get the toy I wanted!
*breaks other kids toys*
*goes home* |
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:48:00 -
[1731] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
It's a feature relevant to eve. Otherwise it would never have been developed. And how did that work out for the game? It's funny how most of the arguments from WiS haters amounts to nothing more than 'OMG IT"S NOT SPACESHIPS THEREFORES I HATEZ IT'. Get an immagination fool.
.....and all your moronic arguments amount to...." please CCP, abandon everything that made EVE online the great game it is, for a wildly unpopular and unproven system that will allow me to play space dress ups with my friends...even though this has caused many job losses, many people to quit the game, the first decline in numbers ever at expansion time...i dont care about that...I WANNA DRESS UP MY AVATAR !!!!!!!! "
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Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:51:00 -
[1732] - Quote
I can't remember the last time I saw a post asking CCP to ignore FiS to work on WiS.
In fact most people in support of WiS would rather CCP still focused on FiS. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:51:00 -
[1733] - Quote
robbyx wrote:Flamespar wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
It's a feature relevant to eve. Otherwise it would never have been developed. And how did that work out for the game? It's funny how most of the arguments from WiS haters amounts to nothing more than 'OMG IT"S NOT SPACESHIPS THEREFORES I HATEZ IT'. Get an immagination fool. .....and all your moronic arguments amount to...." please CCP, abandon everything that made EVE online the great game it is, for a wildly unpopular and unproven system that will allow me to play space dress ups with my friends...even though this has caused many job losses, many people to quit the game, the first decline in numbers ever at expansion time...i dont care about that...I WANNA DRESS UP MY AVATAR !!!!!!!! "
I agree, problem is, that this is not the case for the people who like the idea behind "Ambulation". Its imagination you and others created to make some point which is not there. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:52:00 -
[1734] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
It's a feature relevant to eve. Otherwise it would never have been developed. And how did that work out for the game? It's funny how most of the arguments from WiS haters amounts to nothing more than 'OMG IT"S NOT SPACESHIPS THEREFORES I HATEZ IT'. Get an immagination fool.
I got no problem with WIS as long as:
1) it never COMPROMISES FIS development again like it has for the last 2+ years 2) it always remains OPTIONAL like CCP promised us. 3) A NEX store MT never provides an in-game advantage, be it golden ammo, or FIS-usable items players did not create.
Other than that, you can play space-Barbie dress-up, and emote/dance all you want for all I care. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:54:00 -
[1735] - Quote
robbyx wrote: .....and all your moronic arguments amount to...." please CCP, abandon everything that made EVE online the great game it is, for a wildly unpopular and unproven system that will allow me to play space dress ups with my friends...even though this has caused many job losses, many people to quit the game, the first decline in numbers ever at expansion time...i dont care about that...I WANNA DRESS UP MY AVATAR !!!!!!!! "
Again, see how the barely incoherent arguments against WiS amount only to rhetoric, finger pointing, and breath holding.
Nobody is wanting Incarna to be about playing dress ups.
Incarna was the latest in a long series of mistakes that caused subscribers to drop and the resulting job loss. Attributing the drop in subscribers as being sorely due to Incarna - whilst making for great (albeit simplistic) rhetoric - is lazy analysis.
Nobody is asking that CCP abandon anything, quite the contrary actually. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:54:00 -
[1736] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:I got no problem with WIS as long as:
1) it never COMPROMISES FIS development again like it has for the last 2+ years 2) it always remains OPTIONAL like CCP promised us. 3) A NEX store MT never provides an in-game advantage, be it golden ammo, or FIS-usable items players did not create.
Other than that, you can play space-Barbie dress-up all you want for all I care. You sound way too reasonable for this horrible thread.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:57:00 -
[1737] - Quote
Lost jobs, was probably not result of INCARNA. More like buyout of whitewolf and developing three games, and quite frankly the world economics doesnt work that great either. So another loan rejected etc.
People create something link it to some random event and here we go they won the case.
I for one dont care about WiS nor about FiS .. there are people who want one or the other or both. And i dont see a problem with having all .. in due time.
Actually there are not people who want just WiS ..or at least there should not be such people. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.21 02:23:00 -
[1738] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:robbyx wrote: .....and all your moronic arguments amount to...." please CCP, abandon everything that made EVE online the great game it is, for a wildly unpopular and unproven system that will allow me to play space dress ups with my friends...even though this has caused many job losses, many people to quit the game, the first decline in numbers ever at expansion time...i dont care about that...I WANNA DRESS UP MY AVATAR !!!!!!!! "
Again, see how the barely incoherent arguments against WiS amount only to rhetoric, finger pointing, and breath holding. Nobody is wanting Incarna to be about playing dress ups. Incarna was the latest in a long series of mistakes that caused subscribers to drop and the resulting job loss. Attributing the drop in subscribers as being sorely due to Incarna - whilst making for great (albeit simplistic) rhetoric - is lazy analysis. Nobody is asking that CCP abandon anything, quite the contrary actually.
You are indeed asking CCP for WiS, which would, again require them devoting time and resources to developing it, which would in turn require them to pull people from FiS to work on WiS...unless they want to hire a whole new team to work on WiS, some how i dont think they will.
As for the drop in subs due to INCARNA...for me personally and the other people i know who left, all th other stuff made me angry, but, it was the amount of time and resources used to take EVE in a direction neither they nor i wanted to have any part of, if this is the direction EVE is headed, im outties, and so were they.....thankfully CCP has re-focused back to what made EVE great.
As to the "dress up" thing...give me one instance where WiS is of any benefit to the core play of EVE, just one.....how is it helpful to shooting other peoples spaceships ? Do you just want to walk around a station ? do you just want to come face to face with your friends avatars ? SWTOR has all that, maybe you'd be better of there.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.21 02:52:00 -
[1739] - Quote
robbyx wrote:You are indeed asking CCP for WiS, which would, again require them devoting time and resources to developing it, which would in turn require them to pull people from FiS to work on WiS...unless they want to hire a whole new team to work on WiS, some how i dont think they will.
As for the drop in subs due to INCARNA...for me personally and the other people i know who left, all th other stuff made me angry, but, it was the amount of time and resources used to take EVE in a direction neither they nor i wanted to have any part of, if this is the direction EVE is headed, im outties, and so were they.....thankfully CCP has re-focused back to what made EVE great.
As to the "dress up" thing...give me one instance where WiS is of any benefit to the core play of EVE, just one.....how is it helpful to shooting other peoples spaceships ? Do you just want to walk around a station ? do you just want to come face to face with your friends avatars ? SWTOR has all that, maybe you'd be better of there.
This guy gets it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2011.12.21 03:29:00 -
[1740] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:robbyx wrote:You are indeed asking CCP for WiS, which would, again require them devoting time and resources to developing it, which would in turn require them to pull people from FiS to work on WiS...unless they want to hire a whole new team to work on WiS, some how i dont think they will.
As for the drop in subs due to INCARNA...for me personally and the other people i know who left, all th other stuff made me angry, but, it was the amount of time and resources used to take EVE in a direction neither they nor i wanted to have any part of, if this is the direction EVE is headed, im outties, and so were they.....thankfully CCP has re-focused back to what made EVE great.
As to the "dress up" thing...give me one instance where WiS is of any benefit to the core play of EVE, just one.....how is it helpful to shooting other peoples spaceships ? Do you just want to walk around a station ? do you just want to come face to face with your friends avatars ? SWTOR has all that, maybe you'd be better of there.
This guy gets it. Both of you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I will say that you do excel at being blindly negative and totally adverse to any new type of potential content for Eve.
Obviously you didn't watch or understand the CCP preview trailers centered on WiS and DUST 514 interaction.
CCP's vision has always been from the very start to create a Virtual Reality Science Fiction Universe, not just a Spaceship Simulation game.
Like it or not, in the near future there will be more WiS content seeded into the game. It'll be small increments at first and then over time it'll bloom into full blown expansions. I for one welcome it and look forward to it. If that change incites players to leave, then good riddance. The Eve Community doesn't need negative members who are adverse to change.
By the way, thanks for keeping this thread alive with your constant objectionable posting. Please keep doing it. |
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.21 03:53:00 -
[1741] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:robbyx wrote:You are indeed asking CCP for WiS, which would, again require them devoting time and resources to developing it, which would in turn require them to pull people from FiS to work on WiS...unless they want to hire a whole new team to work on WiS, some how i dont think they will.
As for the drop in subs due to INCARNA...for me personally and the other people i know who left, all th other stuff made me angry, but, it was the amount of time and resources used to take EVE in a direction neither they nor i wanted to have any part of, if this is the direction EVE is headed, im outties, and so were they.....thankfully CCP has re-focused back to what made EVE great.
As to the "dress up" thing...give me one instance where WiS is of any benefit to the core play of EVE, just one.....how is it helpful to shooting other peoples spaceships ? Do you just want to walk around a station ? do you just want to come face to face with your friends avatars ? SWTOR has all that, maybe you'd be better of there.
This guy gets it. Both of you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I will say that you do excel at being blindly negative and totally adverse to any new type of potential content for Eve. Obviously you didn't watch or understand the CCP preview trailers centered on WiS and DUST 514 interaction. CCP's vision has always been from the very start to create a Virtual Reality Science Fiction Universe, not just a Spaceship Simulation game. Like it or not, in the near future there will be more WiS content seeded into the game. It'll be small increments at first and then over time it'll bloom into full blown expansions. I for one welcome it and look forward to it. If that change incites players to leave, then good riddance. The Eve Community doesn't need negative members who are adverse to change. By the way, thanks for keeping this thread alive with your constant objectionable posting. Please keep doing it.
Your the blind one here buddy....if you think we will ever see a full blown WiS expansion, like the one that just caused mass protests and players to unsub in droves, your an idiot.....it already did incite players to leave, and CCP didnt like it so they stopped.
What the EVE community doesnt need is full blown retards like you trying to turn EVE into WoW in space...kindly f**k of back to whatever free-to-play bullsh*t you came from.
Kind regards, the REAL EVE community.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.12.21 04:09:00 -
[1742] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
By the way, thanks for keeping this thread alive with your constant objectionable posting. Please keep doing it.
My only reason for posting in this thread is because, well, the analogy would be like watching someone close to drowning and struggles for one's life.
Entertainment, simply entertainment. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.21 04:34:00 -
[1743] - Quote
robbyx wrote: Your the blind one here buddy....if you think we will ever see a full blown WiS expansion, like the one that just caused mass protests and players to unsub in droves, your an idiot.....it already did incite players to leave, and CCP didnt like it so they stopped.
What the EVE community doesnt need is full blown retards like you trying to turn EVE into WoW in space...kindly f**k of back to whatever free-to-play bullsh*t you came from.
Yeah, the eve community needs more people like you. |
Eternize
Siam Dragons The Jagged Alliance
12
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Posted - 2011.12.21 04:58:00 -
[1744] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Yeah, the eve community needs more people like you.
+1 LoL |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.21 05:00:00 -
[1745] - Quote
I don't know why people bother replying to the small group of people who claim to 'speak for the eve community' and then launch into a ******** attacked on WiS.
It's the same people and the same ******** arguements against WiS again and again. OMG it's not spaceships therefor it fails. OMG I don't want to play dress-ups (though when customisable ship skins arrive I'm sure you'll have no problem dressing up your space sparkle pony). OMG if they work on WiS then no-one will be working on FiS (because it's just not possible to have different teams working on different features, is it? That's just impossible).
Want this thread to end? Get CCP to clarify the future of Incarna. They need to clear up the uncertainty that Hilmars conflicting remarks have created. Give us a yes or no regarding if we are getting new Incarna content in the next 12 months. Then people can move on, and oh I don't know, actually play the game.
The only valid arguement that the anti-WiS crowd have is that, is that CCP should not neglect FiS. No-one who wants to see the rest of Incarna is asking that it should. Only that it gets some dev time same as any other feature in EVE. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.21 05:24:00 -
[1746] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:I don't know why people bother replying to the small group of people who claim to 'speak for the eve community' and then launch into a ******** attacked on WiS.
It's the same people and the same ******** arguements against WiS again and again. OMG it's not spaceships therefor it fails. OMG I don't want to play dress-ups (though when customisable ship skins arrive I'm sure you'll have no problem dressing up your space sparkle pony). OMG if they work on WiS then no-one will be working on FiS (because it's just not possible to have different teams working on different features, is it? That's just impossible).
Want this thread to end? Get CCP to clarify the future of Incarna. They need to clear up the uncertainty that Hilmars conflicting remarks have created. Give us a yes or no regarding if we are getting new Incarna content in the next 12 months. Then people can move on, and oh I don't know, actually play the game.
The only valid arguement that the anti-WiS crowd have is that, is that CCP should not neglect FiS. No-one who wants to see the rest of Incarna is asking that it should. Only that it gets some dev time same as any other feature in EVE.
Keep stamping your feet and shouting about WIS, CCP is presently interested in revenue and not what might happen with WIS. They are invested in releasing DUST 514. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can move on and wait for WIS to get an iteration just like all the pro-FIS people have been doing for over 2 years.
It's not so much if WIS will get some love, but when.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.21 05:27:00 -
[1747] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
Keep stamping your feet and shouting about WIS, CCP is presently interested in revenue and not what might happen with WIS. They are invested in releasing DUST 514. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can move on and wait for WIS to get an iteration just like all the pro-FIS people have been doing for over 2 years.
It's not so much if WIS will get some love, but when.
Wow. It's almost like you didn't read all of my post (which is in broad agreement with what you say).
It's ok. I will arrange for a audio recording, of my soothing masculine voice, reading the post to you in it's entirety, so as to aid in your understanding. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.21 05:30:00 -
[1748] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
Keep stamping your feet and shouting about WIS, CCP is presently interested in revenue and not what might happen with WIS. They are invested in releasing DUST 514. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can move on and wait for WIS to get an iteration just like all the pro-FIS people have been doing for over 2 years.
It's not so much if WIS will get some love, but when.
Wow. It's almost like you didn't read all of my post (which is in broad agreement with what you say). It's ok. I will arrange for a audio recording, of my soothing masculine voice, reading the post to you in it's entirety, so as to aid in your understanding.
I look forward to your letters. (spoken in Craig Ferguson's voice)
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.21 05:37:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:I don't know why people bother replying to the small group of people who claim to 'speak for the eve community' and then launch into a ******** attacked on WiS.
It's the same people and the same ******** arguements against WiS again and again. OMG it's not spaceships therefor it fails. OMG I don't want to play dress-ups (though when customisable ship skins arrive I'm sure you'll have no problem dressing up your space sparkle pony). OMG if they work on WiS then no-one will be working on FiS (because it's just not possible to have different teams working on different features, is it? That's just impossible).
Want this thread to end? Get CCP to clarify the future of Incarna. They need to clear up the uncertainty that Hilmars conflicting remarks have created. Give us a yes or no regarding if we are getting new Incarna content in the next 12 months. Then people can move on, and oh I don't know, actually play the game.
The only valid arguement that the anti-WiS crowd have is that, is that CCP should not neglect FiS. No-one who wants to see the rest of Incarna is asking that it should. Only that it gets some dev time same as any other feature in EVE.
NO !!!!!!!...it had enough dev time, and nothing of value came of it.....and yet you still claim no one wanting more WiS doesnt want to see FiS neglected....but it was, for a long time, and it will again if devs waste more time on it....and it is not a game feature, it is a silly little by product to appease people who find FiS to tough and scary....
Come to EVE to asslpode spaceships, and gets yours assploded....anything else, go elsewhere. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.21 05:46:00 -
[1750] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Want this thread to end? I don't want this thread to end. I like having the handful of pro-Barbie people all in one location.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.21 06:41:00 -
[1751] - Quote
robbyx wrote: Come to EVE to asslpode spaceships, and gets yours assploded....anything else, go elsewhere.
http://myeveguide.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/eve-wtd.jpg
I guess we can just tear up the bottom half of that chart then.
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.21 07:12:00 -
[1752] - Quote
robbyx wrote: Your the blind one here buddy....if you think we will ever see a full blown WiS expansion, like the one that just caused mass protests and players to unsub in droves, your an idiot.....it already did incite players to leave, and CCP didnt like it so they stopped.
What the EVE community doesnt need is full blown retards like you trying to turn EVE into WoW in space...kindly f**k of back to whatever free-to-play bullsh*t you came from.
Kind regards, the REAL EVE community.
I hope we never again get an expansion like Incarna, because that was just ... terrible. For most people, Incarna had nothing to do with the actual WiS that we are asking for for years. It was just a start. A bad start I have to admit, yes. But now CCP has the Carbone framework in place, they have made the first experience with the CQs and I think they could build fast on that, if they really want without sacrificing too much workforce from FiS. And just for your information: people protestet about a lot of things, none of them were the idea of WiS itself, but the supposed implementation and the far to long abondening of other features. And the protesters were absolutly right. Nobody denies that. Think about it: Crucible added a lot of small features and fixes and they did that in a few weeks. Now look at the timeframe we have until the next expansion. I see no real problem in getting a lot of what made the Crucible expansion great and some small additions to WiS.
If you care to read most of the WiS related posts of the supporters, there is no intention in turning EVE into "WoW in space" or anything free to play related. Funny that it seems always an statement the haters try to make into an argument. There may be some people who really think that way, but they are a clear minority. How WiS can enhance and give a new layer to the overall experience of EVE was stated multiple times, not only in this thread. It's fine if that isn't your cup of tea, I can respect that. But please try to respect the players who think otherwise. If you think this is a kind of war and you are the shiny whiteknighters, you are wrong.
Kind regards, the other half of the EVE community.
And by the way: we don't need to insult our opposition to make our arguments more valid. But please, go on. I like your tears . |
Sarion Stormweaver
Spectrum Solutions INC
12
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Posted - 2011.12.21 07:49:00 -
[1753] - Quote
robbyx wrote:Flamespar wrote:I don't know why people bother replying to the small group of people who claim to 'speak for the eve community' and then launch into a ******** attacked on WiS.
It's the same people and the same ******** arguements against WiS again and again. OMG it's not spaceships therefor it fails. OMG I don't want to play dress-ups (though when customisable ship skins arrive I'm sure you'll have no problem dressing up your space sparkle pony). OMG if they work on WiS then no-one will be working on FiS (because it's just not possible to have different teams working on different features, is it? That's just impossible).
Want this thread to end? Get CCP to clarify the future of Incarna. They need to clear up the uncertainty that Hilmars conflicting remarks have created. Give us a yes or no regarding if we are getting new Incarna content in the next 12 months. Then people can move on, and oh I don't know, actually play the game.
The only valid arguement that the anti-WiS crowd have is that, is that CCP should not neglect FiS. No-one who wants to see the rest of Incarna is asking that it should. Only that it gets some dev time same as any other feature in EVE. NO !!!!!!!...it had enough dev time, and nothing of value came of it.....and yet you still claim no one wanting more WiS doesnt want to see FiS neglected....but it was, for a long time, and it will again if devs waste more time on it....and it is not a game feature, it is a silly little by product to appease people who find FiS to tough and scary.... Come to EVE to asslpode spaceships, and gets yours assploded....anything else, go elsewhere.
Using your logic we don't need: Player driven market. Industry with all that it means research/PI, POS'es, Player owned stations (WHAT !!! noobs want to build stuff HAH. I wan you to PLAY my GAME, I don't care about YOUR game.)
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.21 08:06:00 -
[1754] - Quote
the holy trinity of eve online is 1. isk (my gain or you losing more than me) 2. killmails 3. tears
everything else is a by-product of the pursuit of the above, bunch of morons partaking in faego o7o7o7o7 m8m8m8m8m8 in a station bar whatever pointless, GTFO
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.21 08:11:00 -
[1755] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:the holy trinity of eve online is 1. isk (my gain or you losing more than me) 2. killmails 3. tears
everything else is a by-product of the pursuit of the above, bunch of morons partaking in faego o7o7o7o7 m8m8m8m8m8 in a station bar whatever pointless, GTFO
Oh, it generates tears as you clearly show. What was your point again?
Pointless for you (that's fine), a clear addition to their gameplay for others. What makes you so special to be the guideline for every other player? |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.21 08:15:00 -
[1756] - Quote
naw dawg i am liking crucible just fine
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.21 09:46:00 -
[1757] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:the holy trinity of eve online is 1. isk (my gain or you losing more than me) 2. killmails 3. tears
everything else is a by-product of the pursuit of the above, bunch of morons partaking in faego o7o7o7o7 m8m8m8m8m8 in a station bar whatever pointless, GTFO
Oh, it generates tears as you clearly show. What was your point again? Pointless for you (that's fine), a clear addition to their gameplay for others. What makes you so special to be the guideline for every other player?
The only tears are coming from you pansy station walking wannabes....and yes i do feel rather special.....i took part in the protests, and put my money where my mouth is and unsubbed, as did enough people to help change CCP's mind.....maybe you should try that, get all the WiS fanbois to quit, see if enough care to make a difference....i sincerely doubt it.....keep crying though, its hilarious tbh. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.21 10:14:00 -
[1758] - Quote
robbyx wrote: The only tears are coming from you pansy station walking wannabes....and yes i do feel rather special.....i took part in the protests, and put my money where my mouth is and unsubbed, as did enough people to help change CCP's mind.....maybe you should try that, get all the WiS fanbois to quit, see if enough care to make a difference....i sincerely doubt it.....keep crying though, its hilarious tbh.
Sons of Alexander
[S.O.A] is now recruiting.
We dabble in all aspects of EvE
- Small Gang pvp - Mission runing
What we are looking for:
- Players with a sense of humor *A must* - Level headed and mature players that respect each other.
Who needs tears for amusement? |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.21 10:25:00 -
[1759] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote: The only tears are coming from you pansy station walking wannabes....and yes i do feel rather special.....i took part in the protests, and put my money where my mouth is and unsubbed, as did enough people to help change CCP's mind.....maybe you should try that, get all the WiS fanbois to quit, see if enough care to make a difference....i sincerely doubt it.....keep crying though, its hilarious tbh.
Sons of Alexander[S.O.A] is now recruiting. We dabble in all aspects of EvE - Small Gang pvp - Mission runing What we are looking for: - Players with a sense of humor *A must* - Level headed and mature players that respect each other. Who needs tears for amusement?
Theres always the exception to the rule...thats me...but hey, at least ive got the balls to post with my main right ? |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.21 10:53:00 -
[1760] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:Want this thread to end? I don't want this thread to end. I like having the handful of pro-Barbie people all in one location.
that include you ? Figures.. You are one really devoted role-player.
as far as "barbie-dress-up" goes its all in your head, and heads of those who cries about WiS being that... You are actually the one who is belittled by this statement not people who like concept of WiS. People who actually care sees it quite differently. |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.21 10:57:00 -
[1761] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:naw dawg i am liking crucible just fine
And so the others, otherwise we wouldnt be there, dont you think.. ? |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2011.12.21 11:18:00 -
[1762] - Quote
robbyx wrote:NO !!!!!!!...it had enough dev time, and nothing of value came of it....
They scrapped all the work and started again in January 2011, so in theory they had six months before the official release in June.
But what happened? They didn't develop Incarna, or FiS, they completely abandoned EVE over Dust 514 and World of Darkness.
In a desperate attempt to get revenue, they created the NeX Store, which wasn't intended for Incarna at first.
So you're wrong, WiS didn't have enough develop time, because CCP were working at other games not EVE related or at the NeX Store.
Do some research after breaking others dreams with invalid arguments.
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Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2011.12.21 11:23:00 -
[1763] - Quote
Sarion Stormweaver wrote:Using your logic we don't need: Player driven market. Industry with all that it means research/PI, POS'es, Player owned stations (WHAT !!! noobs want to build stuff HAH. I wan you to PLAY my GAME, I don't care about YOUR game.)
Welcome to the EVE Online "voice of the community" sandbox.
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.21 11:42:00 -
[1764] - Quote
robbyx wrote:The only tears are coming from you pansy station walking wannabes....and yes i do feel rather special.....i took part in the protests, and put my money where my mouth is and unsubbed, as did enough people to help change CCP's mind.....maybe you should try that, get all the WiS fanbois to quit, see if enough care to make a difference....i sincerely doubt it.....keep crying though, its hilarious tbh. How is asking CCP for an clarification of the future of WiS and giving some feedback about what WiS could or should be, whining? I say it again, the only ones whining are people like you. And you whine because we are discussing about a possible future for WiS. It is also interesting that you state numerous times that "the WiS fanboys" can't make a difference. If we are so insignificant, why are you posting in here again and insulting other players? And why should anyone quit about WiS not beeing delivered? WiS is an addition to the game. If it is done, there will be a lot of happy people, if not, some will be disappointed but it wouldn't be the end of the world. The protest you took part in was important, thank you for partaking and helping to make EVE a better game. But that doesn't make you any more special than me or any other "WiS fanboy". You seem to forget that EVE is a sandbox game, not the ultimate "in your face" game. Maybe you are hanging around in the wrong game if you can't have some respect for other players.
Try to use some arguments next time instead of insults and rage. Maybe we can have a better discussion and get to understand each other better that way. Until then... please... cry more |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.21 12:08:00 -
[1765] - Quote
not worth it..
Page snipe is better. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.21 13:32:00 -
[1766] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote: The only tears are coming from you pansy station walking wannabes....and yes i do feel rather special.....i took part in the protests, and put my money where my mouth is and unsubbed, as did enough people to help change CCP's mind.....maybe you should try that, get all the WiS fanbois to quit, see if enough care to make a difference....i sincerely doubt it.....keep crying though, its hilarious tbh.
Sons of Alexander[S.O.A] is now recruiting. We dabble in all aspects of EvE - Small Gang pvp - Mission runing What we are looking for: - Players with a sense of humor *A must* - Level headed and mature players that respect each other. Who needs tears for amusement?
wow you are a real scumbag, even i am offended by such a low blow, ashole post with your main
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.21 13:38:00 -
[1767] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:naw dawg i am liking crucible just fine
And so the others, otherwise we wouldnt be there, dont you think.. ?
yeah i am also happy that ccp is on the right track now, putting out the awsome crucible, with wis shitcanned, i get all giddy thinking how great the next pure unadulterated fis expansion will be One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.21 14:22:00 -
[1768] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Quote: What we are looking for:
- Level headed and mature players that respect each other.
wow you are a real scumbag, even i am offended by such a low blow, ashole post with your main Why so mad? They didn't let you in? |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.21 14:24:00 -
[1769] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:naw dawg i am liking crucible just fine
And so the others, otherwise we wouldnt be there, dont you think.. ? yeah i am also happy that ccp is on the right track now, putting out the awsome crucible, with wis shitcanned, i get all giddy thinking how great the next pure unadulterated fis expansion will be
get your facts straight would you .. Crucible consisted three times more WiS then Incarna |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.21 14:26:00 -
[1770] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Crucible consisted three times more WiS then Incarna
I certainly hope they keep releasing these WiS expansions.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.21 14:30:00 -
[1771] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Crucible consisted three times more WiS then Incarna
I certainly hope they keep releasing these WiS expansions.
Well i hope for your sake they would actually release some WiS expansion What we have now is WiC .. Walking in Closet |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.21 14:31:00 -
[1772] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Disdaine wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Crucible consisted three times more WiS then Incarna
I certainly hope they keep releasing these WiS expansions. Well i hope for your sake they would actually release some WiS expansion What we have now is WiC .. Walking in Closet stay in it don't come out One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2011.12.21 14:33:00 -
[1773] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Disdaine wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Crucible consisted three times more WiS then Incarna
I certainly hope they keep releasing these WiS expansions. Well i hope for your sake they would actually release some WiS expansion What we have now is WiC .. Walking in Closet stay in it don't come out
Is being a tool a prerequisite of getting into goons? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.21 16:34:00 -
[1774] - Quote
Eternize wrote:Disdaine wrote:Yeah, the eve community needs more people like you. +1 LoL
+2 I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.21 16:51:00 -
[1775] - Quote
robbyx wrote:Flamespar wrote:robbyx wrote: .....and all your moronic arguments amount to...." please CCP, abandon everything that made EVE online the great game it is, for a wildly unpopular and unproven system that will allow me to play space dress ups with my friends...even though this has caused many job losses, many people to quit the game, the first decline in numbers ever at expansion time...i dont care about that...I WANNA DRESS UP MY AVATAR !!!!!!!! "
Again, see how the barely incoherent arguments against WiS amount only to rhetoric, finger pointing, and breath holding. Nobody is wanting Incarna to be about playing dress ups. Incarna was the latest in a long series of mistakes that caused subscribers to drop and the resulting job loss. Attributing the drop in subscribers as being sorely due to Incarna - whilst making for great (albeit simplistic) rhetoric - is lazy analysis. Nobody is asking that CCP abandon anything, quite the contrary actually. You are indeed asking CCP for WiS, which would, again require them devoting time and resources to developing it, which would in turn require them to pull people from FiS to work on WiS...unless they want to hire a whole new team to work on WiS, some how i dont think they will. As for the drop in subs due to INCARNA...for me personally and the other people i know who left, all th other stuff made me angry, but, it was the amount of time and resources used to take EVE in a direction neither they nor i wanted to have any part of, if this is the direction EVE is headed, im outties, and so were they.....thankfully CCP has re-focused back to what made EVE great. As to the "dress up" thing...give me one instance where WiS is of any benefit to the core play of EVE, just one.....how is it helpful to shooting other peoples spaceships ? Do you just want to walk around a station ? do you just want to come face to face with your friends avatars ? SWTOR has all that, maybe you'd be better of there.
CCP devoted time to stuff other then WIS ,people forget the fact that WOD took a major part of it. Dust comes next . Two games a lot of EVE will never touch. Still WIS seems to be the only one to blame About devoting resources ,they still try to make a console only game only a few believe in. Nobody is crying about that or shooting statues . Crubicle was done in six weeks according to CCP so next expansion period should give enough time to make some WIS lovers just a little happy (and i don,t mean put stuff in failNEX) So WIS supporters happy and only FISwhiners happy(bc whining about a barbie seems the only thing a handfull of people can do) I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:19:00 -
[1776] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:robbyx wrote:Flamespar wrote:robbyx wrote: .....and all your moronic arguments amount to...." please CCP, abandon everything that made EVE online the great game it is, for a wildly unpopular and unproven system that will allow me to play space dress ups with my friends...even though this has caused many job losses, many people to quit the game, the first decline in numbers ever at expansion time...i dont care about that...I WANNA DRESS UP MY AVATAR !!!!!!!! "
Again, see how the barely incoherent arguments against WiS amount only to rhetoric, finger pointing, and breath holding. Nobody is wanting Incarna to be about playing dress ups. Incarna was the latest in a long series of mistakes that caused subscribers to drop and the resulting job loss. Attributing the drop in subscribers as being sorely due to Incarna - whilst making for great (albeit simplistic) rhetoric - is lazy analysis. Nobody is asking that CCP abandon anything, quite the contrary actually. You are indeed asking CCP for WiS, which would, again require them devoting time and resources to developing it, which would in turn require them to pull people from FiS to work on WiS...unless they want to hire a whole new team to work on WiS, some how i dont think they will. As for the drop in subs due to INCARNA...for me personally and the other people i know who left, all th other stuff made me angry, but, it was the amount of time and resources used to take EVE in a direction neither they nor i wanted to have any part of, if this is the direction EVE is headed, im outties, and so were they.....thankfully CCP has re-focused back to what made EVE great. As to the "dress up" thing...give me one instance where WiS is of any benefit to the core play of EVE, just one.....how is it helpful to shooting other peoples spaceships ? Do you just want to walk around a station ? do you just want to come face to face with your friends avatars ? SWTOR has all that, maybe you'd be better of there. CCP devoted time to stuff other then WIS ,people forget the fact that WOD took a major part of it. Dust comes next . Two games a lot of EVE will never touch. Still WIS seems to be the only one to blame About devoting resources ,they still try to make a console only game only a few believe in. Nobody is crying about that or shooting statues . Crubicle was done in six weeks according to CCP so next expansion period should give enough time to make some WIS lovers just a little happy (and i don,t mean put stuff in failNEX) So WIS supporters happy and only FISwhiners happy(bc whining about a barbie seems the only thing a handfull of people can do)
That definitely makes some sense, CCP, how about it, some clarity?
Issler |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:07:00 -
[1777] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Crucible consisted three times more WiS then Incarna Then why are all the space barbies crying?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Axel Korgain
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:36:00 -
[1778] - Quote
I read about EVE in a magazine before it was released and thought to myself 'Now this game I have got to get into.' Having enjoyed Frontier and Elite previously.
I have read some of the content of this thread and I have to say that I was one of those that wanted to hop out and mingle in a station because to me EVE is NOT a game about ships and explosions.
We all have different reasons for tuning into EVE and I for one really like the INCARNA improvements. Now finally I at least have an avatar I can see and he's just so damn good looking and all my friends so how much he looks like me.
From day 1 I traded while others did missions. I looked at the losses sustained from missions versus the profits accumulated from trading and just went from there.
I LIKE walking around and seeing my ship. I LIKE how damn good my avatar looks. I LIKE being able to customise him and I LIKE trading and science and market speculation.
It was very interesting reading through this to see the different reasons why various people play EVE and how they view the moves made by those who provided that place to experience.
Eve gets me out of bed early and that is the real truth as to why I play eve. Sad possibly TRUE 100%.
Eve is the market and my wallet with occasional irritating excursions into space. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.22 07:10:00 -
[1779] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Crucible consisted three times more WiS then Incarna Then why are all the space barbies crying? This are only tears of laughter about your whining. But go on if you like, your whining gets more and more entertaining for me . It is really funny to see the same two or three "haters" desperately trying to make a fuss and not getting anywhere . |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
60
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Posted - 2011.12.22 07:51:00 -
[1780] - Quote
I unsubbed the first time due to Incarna and now am unsubbed again (using hours for plex to clear out my account and make a few posts) until CCP has enough respect to address the future of WiS in more than just a flippant brush-off manner.
EVE has always been about something more than just spaceships, but an entire expanding sandbox, that feeling has been gone for a while with the last content-less expansion and this content-less (though fix-full) patch-spansion.
I'll be keeping an eye out now and again for CCP's much-needed response on the WiS issue, which I and many others believe needs to be on the immediate path forward if EVE is even to have a future past a few years. I don't necessarily think unsubbing en masse is the correct action since it's clear CCP still needs people to tell them why they are displeased (this is apparent because they still don't get why people, including myself, unsubbed en masse due to Incarna and hint to them an FiS-only patch-spansion isn't even close to getting a clue). However I'm not going to contribute any more resources to a stagnant game that had I known years ago while watching gameplay videos of Ambulation, would amount to this.
CCP needs to formulate a definitive plan for WiS and either say it's a go and give us sandbox players hope or say it's definitively terminated, so at least we know now where the sandbox ends. Effectively this is my line in the sand. |
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Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
560
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Posted - 2011.12.22 07:54:00 -
[1781] - Quote
If CCP does not save the FiS part, there will never be WiS part.
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.22 08:32:00 -
[1782] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:If CCP does not save the FiS part, there will never be WiS part. Correct. They have a lot to do with the FiS part of the game. I think there are not many posters here who really deny that. |
Marcus Aurelijus
Eagle's Warrior's Eyrie Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.12.22 08:43:00 -
[1783] - Quote
to op:
NO WE DONT |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2011.12.22 12:21:00 -
[1784] - Quote
Doh, yesterday I bringed this abandoned thread to the attention of CCP Guard in another thread where he asked some guy what threads he would like to have looked at...
No results yet.
Maybe just there is no dev who can talk about the issue because this whole thing is no devs land. And community management are busy with the season holidays. And so on. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Jonni Favorite
Aliastra Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.12.22 12:48:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:As some of us want WiS, we need to be vigilant in the right way. When CCP focused almost entirely on WiS and abandoned FiS, that was bad. But its just as bad to abandon WiS. What is needed is balanced iteration of all features.
We need to be vigilant that no feature is abandoned. Hence this thread. WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
It's a science fiction space simulation, which comes with spaceships, spacestations and hopefully, eventually, everything in between. Stop trying to make this YOUR game..
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Cletus Graeme
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
19
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Posted - 2011.12.22 12:58:00 -
[1786] - Quote
Axel Korgain wrote:I read about EVE in a magazine before it was released and thought to myself 'Now this game I have got to get into.' Having enjoyed Frontier and Elite previously.
I have read some of the content of this thread and I have to say that I was one of those that wanted to hop out and mingle in a station because to me EVE is NOT a game about ships and explosions.
Yet another noob who joined the game expecting content to be delivered which wasn't. EvE has been around 8 years already. It's not hard to find out how it plays. How about enjoying the game AS IT IS rather than because of some promised (but as yet undelivered) content?
You spend all your game time in a station - no wonder you want WIS so badly - talk about bias! How about undocking and finding out what EvE is really all about?
Until Incarna this whole idea of walking in stations was just a vision shared by CCP and some of the playerbase. Incarna was intended to make that vision into a reality - it failed.
Why? Because gameplay >>> graphics and while it was all "oh shiny" there was no gameplay. CCP completely misunderstood their playerbase and gave us fancy looking avatars which were stuck in a room on their own. Way to go!
On top of all this, FIS was neglected for several years - we can argue about why, but that's a fact.
I'm not against Incarna per se. I can see that it could have some serious long term potential. But CCP has a history of adding cool new stuff to the game which is then left to stagnate and eventually becomes not so cool old stuff - Wormholes, Faction Warfare, T3 ships - the list goes on.
Incarna is clearly too big for just one expansion. If/when it becomes a reality it will easily be the single largest addition to the game. That means CCP needs to dedicate huge amounts of time and resources to it unless they want it to be yet another potentially game changing idea which fails to achieve it's true potential.
All of this after sacking 20% of their workforce and whilst they're in the middle of an economic depression which is hurting both them AND their playerbase. I mean seriously, c'mon - get real!
I'd rather settle for FIS only for now and I'm happy to wait for WIS - "when it's done".
Why? Because trying to push CCP into giving us WIS any sooner will just result in another joke of an expansion and players will still be unhappy. The FIS crowd will complain about more wasted effort while the WIS crowd will complain that they still aren't getting what was promised.
If you really want WIS, either run for CSM or make sure a CSM rep is elected who can speak for you then pool together some sensible suggestions of the gameplay you want added and get your rep to take them to CCP - and then BE PATIENT cos it's going to take a while for them to get added to EvE.
In the meantime, it wouldn't hurt you to undock, fly around and blow **** up - just saying..... |
Jonni Favorite
Aliastra Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.12.22 13:02:00 -
[1787] - Quote
robbyx wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:robbyx wrote:You are indeed asking CCP for WiS, which would, again require them devoting time and resources to developing it, which would in turn require them to pull people from FiS to work on WiS...unless they want to hire a whole new team to work on WiS, some how i dont think they will.
As for the drop in subs due to INCARNA...for me personally and the other people i know who left, all th other stuff made me angry, but, it was the amount of time and resources used to take EVE in a direction neither they nor i wanted to have any part of, if this is the direction EVE is headed, im outties, and so were they.....thankfully CCP has re-focused back to what made EVE great.
As to the "dress up" thing...give me one instance where WiS is of any benefit to the core play of EVE, just one.....how is it helpful to shooting other peoples spaceships ? Do you just want to walk around a station ? do you just want to come face to face with your friends avatars ? SWTOR has all that, maybe you'd be better of there.
This guy gets it. Both of you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I will say that you do excel at being blindly negative and totally adverse to any new type of potential content for Eve. Obviously you didn't watch or understand the CCP preview trailers centered on WiS and DUST 514 interaction. CCP's vision has always been from the very start to create a Virtual Reality Science Fiction Universe, not just a Spaceship Simulation game. Like it or not, in the near future there will be more WiS content seeded into the game. It'll be small increments at first and then over time it'll bloom into full blown expansions. I for one welcome it and look forward to it. If that change incites players to leave, then good riddance. The Eve Community doesn't need negative members who are adverse to change. By the way, thanks for keeping this thread alive with your constant objectionable posting. Please keep doing it. Your the blind one here buddy....if you think we will ever see a full blown WiS expansion, like the one that just caused mass protests and players to unsub in droves, your an idiot.....it already did incite players to leave, and CCP didnt like it so they stopped. What the EVE community doesnt need is full blown retards like you trying to turn EVE into WoW in space...kindly f**k of back to whatever free-to-play bullsh*t you came from. Kind regards, the REAL EVE community.
You're calling the single cell, slow motion, solitary confinement packaged as 'Incarna' a full blown expansion?? Sorry mate but you lack vision.. I'm guessing nobody on this post thinks that what we got last summer came anywhere near the vision sold to us years ago.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2011.12.22 13:05:00 -
[1788] - Quote
There are so many things in EVE that needs a big overhaul (FW, dscan, local, sov mechanics comes to mind). Fixing these things is what will make EVE thrive and ultimately stand the test of time - adding more half-baked features such as WiS only makes that list longer and serves to enhance the impression of EVE as a broken game ultimately killing it.
Do you really want to kill EVE? |
Jonni Favorite
Aliastra Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.12.22 13:08:00 -
[1789] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:the holy trinity of eve online is 1. isk (my gain or you losing more than me) 2. killmails 3. tears
everything else is a by-product of the pursuit of the above, bunch of morons partaking in faego o7o7o7o7 m8m8m8m8m8 in a station bar whatever pointless, GTFO
That's it, you're never drinking in my bar mofo. Cheap Quafe for you only!!
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Jonni Favorite
Aliastra Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.12.22 13:13:00 -
[1790] - Quote
robbyx wrote:Arcathra wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:the holy trinity of eve online is 1. isk (my gain or you losing more than me) 2. killmails 3. tears
everything else is a by-product of the pursuit of the above, bunch of morons partaking in faego o7o7o7o7 m8m8m8m8m8 in a station bar whatever pointless, GTFO
Oh, it generates tears as you clearly show. What was your point again? Pointless for you (that's fine), a clear addition to their gameplay for others. What makes you so special to be the guideline for every other player? The only tears are coming from you pansy station walking wannabes....and yes i do feel rather special.....i took part in the protests, and put my money where my mouth is and unsubbed, as did enough people to help change CCP's mind.....maybe you should try that, get all the WiS fanbois to quit, see if enough care to make a difference....i sincerely doubt it.....keep crying though, its hilarious tbh.
One could argue that it's the attitude of crybabies like you that caused, in part, some of the layoffs. I hated the Incarna release as well (it's useless in its current form) but I never unsubbed, the game goes on, evolves, but again we're now regurgitating 70+ pages of this post. Clearly there is enough passion for this inevitable progression, one way or the other, that it deserves some attention. |
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.22 13:25:00 -
[1791] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Do you really want to kill EVE? No, I don't want to kill EVE. I want CCP to iterate on old content and overhaul as many "construction sites" as possible. But at the same time I see the potential of adding another layer of gameplay to the game. The chances are that we won't see any new WiS content the next year I guess. I'm fine with that. But I would like them to reconsider the idea of WiS some time after that and it isn't wrong to show CCP that there are still a lot people out there who share a vision about WiS. It's not wrong to remind CCP of WiS and to toss some ideas and suggestions around so that the next try to get WiS done won't be such a disaster.
Nothing can be done over night, especially not WiS, but it would "comfort" players like me that they are still working on some WiS related stuff or are planning to get back to some of it after some time fixing a lot of the FiS content. It would be something to look forward to. And just to have it said: No, I've never startet to play the game because of the possibility of WiS. But I really like the idea and would like to explore the stations one day with my character. If they really shelve it forever I would sure be a bit disappointed, but it would be fine for me. EVE has more to it . |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2011.12.22 13:27:00 -
[1792] - Quote
Jonni Favorite wrote:One could argue that it's the attitude of crybabies like you that caused, in part, some of the layoffs. I hated the Incarna release as well (it's useless in its current form) but I never unsubbed, the game goes on, evolves, but again we're now regurgitating 70+ pages of this post. Clearly there is enough passion for this inevitable progression, one way or the other, that it deserves some attention.
He's one of the "crybabies" that helped save EVE. If CCP had continued with space barbies the layoffs would have been far greater. You do realize that a couple of dussin pro WiS players is not enough to fund development of EVE - unless you all started your day logging into NeX and bought a box of monocles.
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Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.22 13:32:00 -
[1793] - Quote
Cletus Graeme wrote: I'd rather settle for FIS only for now and I'm happy to wait for WIS - "when it's done".
Glad you agree with most of us.
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Jeami
Doomheim
8
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Posted - 2011.12.22 14:09:00 -
[1794] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:There are so many things in EVE that needs a big overhaul (FW, dscan, local, sov mechanics comes to mind). Fixing these things is what will make EVE thrive and ultimately stand the test of time - adding more half-baked features such as WiS only makes that list longer and serves to enhance the impression of EVE as a broken game ultimately killing it.
Do you really want to kill EVE?
I would argue that lack of avatar interaction is the only thing holding the game back. See how that works?
You're the type of player who lulled CCP into the idea that they could release tiny tweaks and call them expansions in the first place.
"Big Overhaul" "dscan"
WTF?
What would that expansion be called? Sonar? What is wrong with you? That should be something maybe on patch notes it's so small. And you're surprised CCP thought that they could get away with a half assed room? Sorry WiS people have an actual sane vision and weren't satisfied. You on the other hand clearly have such a small and deficient brain a single solitary set of pixels spinning around on a pin would satisfy you entirely. Please, keep your kindergarten ideas to yourself everything you said was stupid. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2011.12.22 14:37:00 -
[1795] - Quote
Cletus Graeme wrote:PLAY MY SANDBOX MY WAY!!
Sometimes it just feels wrong to figure that this kind of players may get all of CCP's love for years to come... (insert facepalm) EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2011.12.22 15:08:00 -
[1796] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Cletus Graeme wrote:PLAY MY SANDBOX MY WAY!! Sometimes it just feels wrong to figure that this kind of players may get all of CCP's love for years to come... (insert facepalm) I'd much rather see FiS get a lot of attention now so it's actually fixed rather than semi-broke as it is now, and then possibly have attention shifted over to WiS again, than have them focus on WiS now and leave the rest of nullsec broken as it is now.
The first'll see them keep the playerbase they have, and probably increase it as well. The second'll see them lose parts of the playerbase they have now, in the hopes that WiS will be sufficiently Jesus-y to make up for it. |
Topaz Sky
16
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Posted - 2011.12.22 15:36:00 -
[1797] - Quote
I've been waiting for WiS since 2007 when I first learned of it though talk of it existed long before then. I'm fairly certain some new players in this thread don't understand that it wasn't dreamt up in "18 months" and that Incarna wasn't WiS coming to fruition.
That's a good five years for me and more for others.
This isn't a spaceship game, nor is it an economic simulator, not a bazaar. It's all of those things in a sandbox and a sandbox means freedom, there's no one way to play this game. One of the main concepts of a sandbox is you are free to create or free to just observe, whatever you want, do whatever you want. Bickering over "spaceships or barbies" was sort of cute in a little kid trying to be edgy and hip way. But it misses the mark with this game because EVE isn't an 'either or' game. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2011.12.22 16:26:00 -
[1798] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Cletus Graeme wrote:PLAY MY SANDBOX MY WAY!! Sometimes it just feels wrong to figure that this kind of players may get all of CCP's love for years to come... (insert facepalm) I'd much rather see FiS get a lot of attention now so it's actually fixed rather than semi-broke as it is now, and then possibly have attention shifted over to WiS again, than have them focus on WiS now and leave the rest of nullsec broken as it is now. The first'll see them keep the playerbase they have, and probably increase it as well. The second'll see them lose parts of the playerbase they have now, in the hopes that WiS will be sufficiently Jesus-y to make up for it.
Well, nobody WiSer is asking to abandon FiS for WiS. BOTH concepts have been abandoned and neglected during the "18 months" and now CCP is back to listening to players (or so they swear).
Just WiS players are not feeling like we are being listened to. Prior to develop any WiS content, CCP devs must gather info from players (and I mean individual players, as the CSM is kinda busy attending to their voters). What we want, what we expect, and so.
That would be just the beginning of he start, and so far, CCP official, unofficial, recorded and off-the-record stance about WiS is this:
(...)
Nothing.
Meanwhile, WiS has got many things that require attention. Some are little, some are big. I've been figuring a list, even:
**Character customization: - Squint eyes (old issue) - Randomly unresponsive interface (next/back buttons, mesh triggers), post-Crucible issue - More lip mobilty to do some actual smiles (showing the teeth) - No racial apparel and hairdos, unlike the old creator - fantasy hair colors (cherry red, electric blue, lemon green...) - To develop: painted fingernails, color intensity slider for hair colors - The need to remake your portrait just because you changed you shoes... wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Changing your clothes should be done from a CQ menu, not through the portrait maker. - Real earrings, not piercings (pet issue of mine) - no violet/plum make up/eyeshadow/lipstick (pet issue of mine, albeit we got white lipstick and a few more colors with crucible)
**NEx store: - Macrotransaction pricing: watch Jita ISK prices, learn why heels should not be more expensive than a BS... - No meaningful differences between low/middle/top tier - Over a hundred items from current "Militia" collection are seeded at Sisi but not released at TQ - Whatever happened to "Business" and "Cyberpunk" collections? - ISK for PLEX for AUR for NEx assets for ISK = overly complicated (anyway the CSM is already looking upon that, Seleene said)
**CQ: - Lighting post-effects take a visible time to detect source oclusion by the avatar, i.e. you continuously see light sources piercing through your avatar for a split second before being properly blocked... - Some shadows still look funny, albeit the overall lighting has been seriously improved - The pod... leave it naked and covered in goo, then climb a ladder in public... feels weird. Should be easy to a add a sort of "cabin" concealing the pod from the station (immersion issue) - To develop: how about inviting one person to your CQ? Or two? Or whatever is the current count before framerate collapses into a singularity and ATI cards catch fire? (twink, twink)
Thats only about fix current stuff and further develop existing assets/feaures, not abut adding new features as that would require -ideally- crowdsourcing a.k.a. ask your players what do they want to play when outside of their pod. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.22 16:33:00 -
[1799] - Quote
its funny that a lot of only FIS people concentrating there summer anger to WIS The summer rage was about a lot of things . Weird people who can,t let their emotions go and now concentrate all their real life anger to the next best thing Crubicle made a lot of people happy,but not those players. Its sad really ,imagine that EVE was perfect for all ,than the angry ones had no life any more,searching for another gamecompany and/or its players to be angry about.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.22 16:49:00 -
[1800] - Quote
hey barbie lovers, while you wait for wis why don't you consider swtor: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 wis dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. /lol One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.22 16:51:00 -
[1801] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:hey barbie lovers, while you wait for wis why don't you consider swtor: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 wis dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. /lol
Enjoy.
You failed. You ask why ? Because you are only one who feel that way. So your understanding is bound to it. So essentially you are the Barbie lover. Rest of us, just come along and dont really have some "strong" feelings.
In other words you are tool. Enjoy. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.22 16:57:00 -
[1802] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:hey barbie lovers, while you wait for wis why don't you consider swtor: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 wis dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. /lol Enjoy. You failed. You ask why ? Because you are only one who feel that way. So your understanding is bound to it. So essentially you are the Barbie lover. Rest of us, just come along and dont really have some "strong" feelings. In other words you are tool. Enjoy.
pls let him and the other 2 whiners have their go on this thread,makes them feel happier I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
60
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Posted - 2011.12.22 20:53:00 -
[1803] - Quote
oh, looks like I still have a few hours. well anyways, hoping CCP comments sooner rather than SOONER TM and tell us in no uncertain terms whether they plan to fill our sandbox up with fresh sand or just shuffle around old dirt.
perhaps just waiting to expire isn't being proactive enough, so instead I just actively cancelled my sub with a note expressing my disappointment in the lack of a plan for WiS and referencing this thread. I hope for the sake of CCP that they get the message. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.22 21:21:00 -
[1804] - Quote
Nypheas Azurai wrote:oh, looks like I still have a few hours. well anyways, hoping CCP comments sooner rather than SOONER TM and tell us in no uncertain terms whether they plan to fill our sandbox up with fresh sand or just shuffle around old dirt.
perhaps just waiting to expire isn't being proactive enough, so instead I just actively cancelled my sub with a note expressing my disappointment in the lack of a plan for WiS and referencing this thread. I hope for the sake of CCP that they get the message.
I can give you answer now...."maybe re-visited some time in the future"......which in CCP lingo means " lol fat chance ".
I also would take this time to ask one of the WiShiners about gameplay, since you all keep going on about this "other" level of game play.......what gameplay would WiS add to the game ? there will be no FPS in stations, so please enlighten me as to the gameplay aspect that can be gained from WiS,...im not talking about sitting around in bars watching avatars walk by, i mean actual gameplay that reflects and compliments the cruel, harsh nature of EVE online.
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Laken Starr
Integrated Astromechanics Corp. Zeta Conglomerate
14
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Posted - 2011.12.22 21:28:00 -
[1805] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Well, nobody WiSer is asking to abandon FiS for WiS. BOTH concepts have been abandoned and neglected during the "18 months" and now CCP is back to listening to players (or so they swear).
Just WiS players are not feeling like we are being listened to. Prior to develop any WiS content, CCP devs must gather info from players (and I mean individual players, as the CSM is kinda busy attending to their voters). What we want, what we expect, and so.
That would be just the beginning of he start, and so far, CCP official, unofficial, recorded and off-the-record stance about WiS is this:
(...)
Nothing.
Meanwhile, WiS has got many things that require attention. Some are little, some are big. I've been figuring a list, even:
**Character customization: - Squint eyes (old issue) - Randomly unresponsive interface (next/back buttons, mesh triggers), post-Crucible issue - More lip mobilty to do some actual smiles (showing the teeth) - No racial apparel and hairdos, unlike the old creator - fantasy hair colors (cherry red, electric blue, lemon green...) - To develop: painted fingernails, color intensity slider for hair colors - The need to remake your portrait just because you changed you shoes... wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Changing your clothes should be done from a CQ menu, not through the portrait maker. - Real earrings, not piercings (pet issue of mine) - no violet/plum make up/eyeshadow/lipstick (pet issue of mine, albeit we got white lipstick and a few more colors with crucible)
**NEx store: - Macrotransaction pricing: watch Jita ISK prices, learn why heels should not be more expensive than a BS... - No meaningful differences between low/middle/top tier - Over a hundred items from current "Militia" collection are seeded at Sisi but not released at TQ - Whatever happened to "Business" and "Cyberpunk" collections? - ISK for PLEX for AUR for NEx assets for ISK = overly complicated (anyway the CSM is already looking upon that, Seleene said)
**CQ: - Lighting post-effects take a visible time to detect source oclusion by the avatar, i.e. you continuously see light sources piercing through your avatar for a split second before being properly blocked... - Some shadows still look funny, albeit the overall lighting has been seriously improved - The pod... leave it naked and covered in goo, then climb a ladder in public... feels weird. Should be easy to a add a sort of "cabin" concealing the pod from the station (immersion issue) - To develop: how about inviting one person to your CQ? Or two? Or whatever is the current count before framerate collapses into a singularity and ATI cards catch fire? (twink, twink)
Thats only about fix current stuff and further develop existing assets/feaures, not abut adding new features as that would require -ideally- crowdsourcing a.k.a. ask your players what do they want to play when outside of their pod.
Quoting the above, since it pretty much explains my thoughts on the issues.
[Check] More WiS, please. |
Beaches
28
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Posted - 2011.12.22 21:38:00 -
[1806] - Quote
It seems like it would make a lot of people happy if they announced that they are still working on it and elaborated on to what degree. To me, if they aren't... it means that expanding EVE with WiS isn't worth it to them unless they're developing another game with it. Which equals 7 years of lies and expanding EVE for EVE's sake isn't their goal and this 'redirection' signifies a mere maintenance and repair of the cash cow. Which they can then once again eventually milk for other projects. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.22 21:39:00 -
[1807] - Quote
robbyx wrote:Nypheas Azurai wrote:oh, looks like I still have a few hours. well anyways, hoping CCP comments sooner rather than SOONER TM and tell us in no uncertain terms whether they plan to fill our sandbox up with fresh sand or just shuffle around old dirt.
perhaps just waiting to expire isn't being proactive enough, so instead I just actively cancelled my sub with a note expressing my disappointment in the lack of a plan for WiS and referencing this thread. I hope for the sake of CCP that they get the message. I can give you answer now...."maybe re-visited some time in the future"......which in CCP lingo means " lol fat chance ". I also would take this time to ask one of the WiShiners about gameplay, since you all keep going on about this "other" level of game play.......what gameplay would WiS add to the game ? there will be no FPS in stations, so please enlighten me as to the gameplay aspect that can be gained from WiS,...im not talking about sitting around in bars watching avatars walk by, i mean actual gameplay that reflects and compliments the cruel, harsh nature of EVE online.
reread from page 1 pls and all the other threads about WIS or Ambulation in the past . pls don,t look up Incarna ,we are not talking about Incarna ,but about WIS
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.22 21:44:00 -
[1808] - Quote
Beaches wrote:It seems like it would make a lot of people happy if they announced that they are still working on it and elaborated on to what degree. To me, if they aren't... it means that expanding EVE with WiS isn't worth it to them unless they're developing another game with it. Which equals 7 years of lies and expanding EVE for EVE's sake isn't their goal and this 'redirection' signifies a mere maintenance and repair of the cash cow. Which they can then once again eventually milk for other projects.
or CCP didn,t expect a thread like this? I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
60
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Posted - 2011.12.22 21:47:00 -
[1809] - Quote
robbyx wrote:[ I can give you answer now...."maybe re-visited some time in the future"......which in CCP lingo means " lol fat chance ".
I also would take this time to ask one of the WiShiners about gameplay, since you all keep going on about this "other" level of game play.......what gameplay would WiS add to the game ? there will be no FPS in stations, so please enlighten me as to the gameplay aspect that can be gained from WiS,...im not talking about sitting around in bars watching avatars walk by, i mean actual gameplay that reflects and compliments the cruel, harsh nature of EVE online.
Well, thanks to the forum eating yet another post, my original reply is lost; suffice to say that:
Only CCP can clarify their half-truths, not you or any player. This is evidenced by how many things in this patchpansion could have been considered "lol fat chance" just a few months ago. CCP need to respect their customers enough to give us a roadmap on WiS and let us decide if we wish to ride it out.
As another poster mentioned, literally you need to re-read the topic, there are 70+ pages for a reason. I won't do the disservice of trying to summarize every single relevant idea for you here (from in-person trading of illicit items, to smuggling, to gambling, to a chance at meaningful bounties, and beyond if we are not limited to just stations, but planets and ships as well) instead, know that since E3 2008 Ambulation and well before then, of any issue that could be said (i.e. implementation), the one thing that was never an issue neither for CCP nor the playerbase was generating meaningful gameplay ideas for WiS. |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2011.12.22 22:00:00 -
[1810] - Quote
I've been casually following this thread and Robbyx's comments parallel my thoughts.
As an ex-miner, I have read threads asking CCP to boost the mining barges from being a bit more than paper tanks. Those threads boil down to "HTFU, Return to WOW, umadbro?" and other childish comments. Yet the underlying theme of PVP remains intact for these situations. CCP has not cornered off a section of space, much less made ships invunerable and destroyed what originally made Eve the game it is today. Players accept this to various degrees.
I place a buy order onto an empty market and within a hour, someone placed a 0.1 ISK higher order. Again, the underlying theme of PVP is present, though nothing is destroyed. While I can continue mentioning various aspects of PVP, it seems that many people that desire WIS want it as a non-PVP setting. "I want to sit at a bar, have a drink, play poker, talk to friends." Would a majority of players be more receptive, and possibly push CCP in the direction to work further into WIS if avatars had the possibility of being engaged in PVP actions?
Again, being the lowly miner, I get ganked by some hot shot pilot that docks in a nearby station afterwards to laugh it off with his buddies. As I quietly approach this individual (using a new set of skills not ship related, but more combat avatar related that CCP created and released onto the market), I use my trusty projectile pistol and place a well-placed shot between the ganker's eyes to make a sharpshooter whistle in amazement. As this individual has his brain matter splatter the back wall as his clone elsewhere is suddenly activated, being a lower security station, I have a bit of time to steal his new clothes he just bought with Aurum. And for a trophy prize, I pluck out his monocle to wear as a necklace...
Personally, I rather see a "Blade Runner" type atmosphere in WIS instead of a simples Sims game with bubbles above our heads. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
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Posted - 2011.12.22 22:01:00 -
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Nypheas Azurai wrote:robbyx wrote:[ I can give you answer now...."maybe re-visited some time in the future"......which in CCP lingo means " lol fat chance ".
I also would take this time to ask one of the WiShiners about gameplay, since you all keep going on about this "other" level of game play.......what gameplay would WiS add to the game ? there will be no FPS in stations, so please enlighten me as to the gameplay aspect that can be gained from WiS,...im not talking about sitting around in bars watching avatars walk by, i mean actual gameplay that reflects and compliments the cruel, harsh nature of EVE online.
Well, thanks to the forum eating yet another post, my original reply is lost; suffice to say that: Only CCP can clarify their half-truths, not you or any player. This is evidenced by how many things in this patchpansion could have been considered "lol fat chance" just a few months ago. CCP need to respect their customers enough to give us a roadmap on WiS and let us decide if we wish to ride it out. As another poster mentioned, literally you need to re-read the topic, there are 70+ pages for a reason. I won't do the disservice of trying to summarize every single relevant idea for you here (from in-person trading of illicit items, to smuggling, to gambling, to a chance at meaningful bounties, and beyond if we are not limited to just stations, but planets and ships as well) instead, know that since E3 2008 Ambulation and well before then, of any issue that could be said (i.e. implementation), the one thing that was never an issue neither for CCP nor the playerbase was generating meaningful gameplay ideas for WiS.
+1 just for the word patchpansion I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.22 22:09:00 -
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Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:I've been casually following this thread and Robbyx's comments parallel my thoughts.
As an ex-miner, I have read threads asking CCP to boost the mining barges from being a bit more than paper tanks. Those threads boil down to "HTFU, Return to WOW, umadbro?" and other childish comments. Yet the underlying theme of PVP remains intact for these situations. CCP has not cornered off a section of space, much less made ships invunerable and destroyed what originally made Eve the game it is today. Players accept this to various degrees.
I place a buy order onto an empty market and within a hour, someone placed a 0.1 ISK higher order. Again, the underlying theme of PVP is present, though nothing is destroyed. While I can continue mentioning various aspects of PVP, it seems that many people that desire WIS want it as a non-PVP setting. "I want to sit at a bar, have a drink, play poker, talk to friends." Would a majority of players be more receptive, and possibly push CCP in the direction to work further into WIS if avatars had the possibility of being engaged in PVP actions?
Again, being the lowly miner, I get ganked by some hot shot pilot that docks in a nearby station afterwards to laugh it off with his buddies. As I quietly approach this individual (using a new set of skills not ship related, but more combat avatar related that CCP created and released onto the market), I use my trusty projectile pistol and place a well-placed shot between the ganker's eyes to make a sharpshooter whistle in amazement. As this individual has his brain matter splatter the back wall as his clone elsewhere is suddenly activated, being a lower security station, I have a bit of time to steal his new clothes he just bought with Aurum. And for a trophy prize, I pluck out his monocle to wear as a necklace...
Personally, I rather see a "Blade Runner" type atmosphere in WIS instead of a simples Sims game with bubbles above our heads.
At least you got a vision how you want WIS to be ,instead of screaming about barbies its the same when sombody starts this game for the first time ,they got expectations about what is advertised. i liked EVE from the beginning(yes this barbielover likes FIS) ,but not being able to get me a bumpersticker for my ship(bc thats the only thing you see ever)was a dissapointment. WIS adds some extra ,maybe WIS would be that bumpersticker for me I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.22 22:44:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:[quote=Mukuro Gravedigger]I've been casually following this thread and Robbyx's comments parallel my thoughts.
As an ex-miner, I have read threads asking CCP to boost the mining barges from being a bit more than paper tanks. Those threads boil down to "HTFU, Return to WOW, umadbro?" and other childish comments. Yet the underlying theme of PVP remains intact for these situations. CCP has not cornered off a section of space, much less made ships invunerable and destroyed what originally made Eve the game it is today. Players accept this to various degrees.
I place a buy order onto an empty market and within a hour, someone placed a 0.1 ISK higher order. Again, the underlying theme of PVP is present, though nothing is destroyed. While I can continue mentioning various aspects of PVP, it seems that many people that desire WIS want it as a non-PVP setting. "I want to sit at a bar, have a drink, play poker, talk to friends." Would a majority of players be more receptive, and possibly push CCP in the direction to work further into WIS if avatars had the possibility of being engaged in PVP actions?
Again, being the lowly miner, I get ganked by some hot shot pilot that docks in a nearby station afterwards to laugh it off with his buddies. As I quietly approach this individual (using a new set of skills not ship related, but more combat avatar related that CCP created and released onto the market), I use my trusty projectile pistol and place a well-placed shot between the ganker's eyes to make a sharpshooter whistle in amazement. As this individual has his brain matter splatter the back wall as his clone elsewhere is suddenly activated, being a lower security station, I have a bit of time to steal his new clothes he just bought with Aurum. And for a trophy prize, I pluck out his monocle to wear as a necklace...
Personally, I rather see a "Blade Runner" type atmosphere in WIS instead of a simples Sims game with bubbles above our heads.
Sounds ike fun to me.
I remember Devs saying that stations won't be entirely 'risk free', and also remember a mention that one of the benefits of sharing resources with World of Darkness, was that Incarna could benefit from the development of WoDs combat systems, though obviously it would be modified for the EVE setting.
So maybe, one day.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.22 23:37:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:[quote=Mukuro Gravedigger]I've been casually following this thread and Robbyx's comments parallel my thoughts.
As an ex-miner, I have read threads asking CCP to boost the mining barges from being a bit more than paper tanks. Those threads boil down to "HTFU, Return to WOW, umadbro?" and other childish comments. Yet the underlying theme of PVP remains intact for these situations. CCP has not cornered off a section of space, much less made ships invunerable and destroyed what originally made Eve the game it is today. Players accept this to various degrees.
I place a buy order onto an empty market and within a hour, someone placed a 0.1 ISK higher order. Again, the underlying theme of PVP is present, though nothing is destroyed. While I can continue mentioning various aspects of PVP, it seems that many people that desire WIS want it as a non-PVP setting. "I want to sit at a bar, have a drink, play poker, talk to friends." Would a majority of players be more receptive, and possibly push CCP in the direction to work further into WIS if avatars had the possibility of being engaged in PVP actions?
Again, being the lowly miner, I get ganked by some hot shot pilot that docks in a nearby station afterwards to laugh it off with his buddies. As I quietly approach this individual (using a new set of skills not ship related, but more combat avatar related that CCP created and released onto the market), I use my trusty projectile pistol and place a well-placed shot between the ganker's eyes to make a sharpshooter whistle in amazement. As this individual has his brain matter splatter the back wall as his clone elsewhere is suddenly activated, being a lower security station, I have a bit of time to steal his new clothes he just bought with Aurum. And for a trophy prize, I pluck out his monocle to wear as a necklace...
Personally, I rather see a "Blade Runner" type atmosphere in WIS instead of a simples Sims game with bubbles above our heads. Sounds ike fun to me. I remember Devs saying that stations won't be entirely 'risk free', and also remember a mention that one of the benefits of sharing resources with World of Darkness, was that Incarna could benefit from the development of WoDs combat systems, though obviously it would be modified for the EVE setting. So maybe, one day.
i won,t mind , scamming the warpbutton after being blown up and dock at the first station,having to look around for that same pilot who wants my head anyway.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.22 23:45:00 -
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Beaches wrote:It seems like it would make a lot of people happy if they announced that they are still working on it and elaborated on to what degree No it wouldn't. Remember these are people crying about wanting more dresses for their toonies in a spaceship game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.22 23:55:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Beaches wrote:It seems like it would make a lot of people happy if they announced that they are still working on it and elaborated on to what degree No it wouldn't. Remember these are people crying about wanting more dresses for their toonies in a spaceship game.
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he got me for a moment ,so i deleted phoned his mother to pick him up I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Industrializer Tekitsu
Horizon in MOTION
14
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:03:00 -
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CoLe Blackblood wrote:I like the idea of Walking in Stations. The scope of what CCP is trying to do with their space game is quite impressive...rather than being like every other nub on here and saying GTFO, I will say that we need more spaceships way before we need to go to the cantina.
This.
War sounds interesting enough. The next one should be about WiS. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:04:00 -
[1818] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Beaches wrote:It seems like it would make a lot of people happy if they announced that they are still working on it and elaborated on to what degree No it wouldn't. Remember these are people crying about wanting more dresses for their toonies in a spaceship game.
There's that strawman again.
Though I do understand that you have to break our position down to wanting "dresses for toonies" so you can wrap your thick skull around it.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:08:00 -
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Industrializer Tekitsu wrote: War sounds interesting enough. The next one should be about WiS.
Hopefully the 'War' expansion will include the Corporation office with a big 3D interactive map upon which players can hatch their evil schemes.
You know what, rather than the multiplayer establishments, perhaps the corp offices should be the first multiplayer environments implemented. It would give CCP the opportunity to introduce a number of things to make corporation management (and war) easier, and more cool. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:29:00 -
[1820] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Industrializer Tekitsu wrote: War sounds interesting enough. The next one should be about WiS.
Hopefully the 'War' expansion will include the Corporation office with a big 3D interactive map upon which players can hatch their evil schemes. You know what, rather than the multiplayer establishments, perhaps the corp offices should be the first multiplayer environments implemented. It would give CCP the opportunity to introduce a number of things to make corporation management (and war) easier, and more cool.
That is an idea i could fully get behind, at least its helpful and relevant to EVE's core game play....throw the idea of "cantinas" away, along with crappy establishments and the ability to paint your nails and show your friends your hip new funky hair-do.
The quoted posters idea, and others like it are what WiS should be about, as long as implementing it NEVER interferes with the development of FiS on any scale.....for what its worth i +1'ed you. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:31:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:There's that strawman again. Wow you are still using that phrase without understanding what it means. Next time you make a link to the wikipedia article you should take a few minutes to actually read it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:37:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:There's that strawman again. Wow you are still using that phrase without understanding what it means. Next time you make a link to the wikipedia article you should take a few minutes to actually read it.
I didn't link it.
Keep on truckin goonie.
"Generally, the straw man is a highly exaggerated or over-simplified version of the opponent's original statement, which has been distorted to the point of absurdity"
WiS =/= "dresses for toonies"
Go back to pulling wings off butterflies or burning ants with a magnifying glass. |
Beaches
28
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:43:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:There's that strawman again. Wow you are still using that phrase without understanding what it means. Next time you make a link to the wikipedia article you should take a few minutes to actually read it. I didn't link it. Keep on truckin goonie. "Generally, the straw man is a highly exaggerated or over-simplified version of the opponent's original statement, which has been distorted to the point of absurdity" WiS =/= "dresses for toonies" Go back to pulling wings off butterflies or burning ants with a magnifying glass.
The goon is just lashing out on you because I corrected it earlier.
Beaches wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: The "white knights" are the idiots reporting people who aren't even undocked for botting just because of the alliance they are in.
You clearly don't know what a white knight is. I hate it when people see something used on the internet that has a very real actual meaning and then apply it completely incorrectly. Jesus Christ, it's even on urban dictionary... it's even on any historical reference or any definition or piece of knowledge anywhere for that matter. Please lurk before posting, you are a ******* disease GTFO
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:46:00 -
[1824] - Quote
Beaches wrote:The goon is just lashing out on you because I corrected it earlier. I apologize. All you pubbies start to look alike after a while.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:49:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Beaches wrote:The goon is just lashing out on you because I corrected it earlier. I apologize. All you pubbies start to look alike after a while. And all goons start to sound the same after a while.
Birds of a feather....
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:51:00 -
[1826] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:
Birds of a feather....
Whine together I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Oberine Noriepa
575
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:51:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Industrializer Tekitsu wrote: War sounds interesting enough. The next one should be about WiS.
Hopefully the 'War' expansion will include the Corporation office with a big 3D interactive map upon which players can hatch their evil schemes. You know what, rather than the multiplayer establishments, perhaps the corp offices should be the first multiplayer environments implemented. It would give CCP the opportunity to introduce a number of things to make corporation management (and war) easier, and more cool. Sounds cool to me. Reminds me of Dust 514's War Room featured briefly in this blog.
Quote:THE WAR ROOM
The life of a mercenary is about fighting, but taking over a planet is no small task, so players will find themselves spending a lot of time in the War Room GÇô a 3D lobby where players can go over their vehicle and character fittings; stock up on items from the corp inventory or the marketplace; chat with fellow corp members or once-off hires; scrutinize potential strategies and just generally get ready for the battles to come. Each War Room supports a maximum of 32 players at once. Players navigate the social spaces in DUST (of which the War Room is the first) in third-person. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.23 02:24:00 -
[1828] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Beaches wrote:The goon is just lashing out on you because I corrected it earlier. I apologize. All you pubbies start to look alike after a while. And all goons start to sound the same after a while. Birds of a feather.... The goons aren't whining about the fact that CCP has decided to focus on Eve content and not space barbies.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.23 02:26:00 -
[1829] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: whining about the fact that CCP has decided to focus on Eve content and not space barbies.
You're pretty special. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:10:00 -
[1830] - Quote
i am sorry if my rebukes prevents any of you whining runts from playing swotr cockblocking is bad One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:35:00 -
[1831] - Quote
I am loving the hide poster option. :) I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:43:00 -
[1832] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:I am loving the hide poster option. :) Most of the people who tell me they block my posts end up replying to something I post later. People just can't live without seeing what I'm posting!
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2011.12.23 11:57:00 -
[1833] - Quote
Well... it's better than nothing...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=556954#post556954
CCP Unifex wrote:PinkKnife wrote:So the captains Quarters is all but officially dead then? Glad all that time/effort was wasted. Sometimes I think CCP has dev ADHD. Nope, not wasted. Looking for the right way to blossom? Yes. We will make sure we do Avatars the right way for EVE and will make sure we do it in a way that doesn't detract from everything else we have already in game.
That dude CCP Unifex is the new Senior Developer, the role that used to hold CCP Zulu. It's the Big Kahoona of content. So, not all is lost...
If only he or some of his minions bothered to talk to us down here in this ugly-duckling thread...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.23 14:05:00 -
[1834] - Quote
over 80 pages CCP maybe some reply on this?
pls have some decency I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.12.23 14:14:00 -
[1835] - Quote
Guys...keep reading what devs post in blogs. It is clear they have not given up on WiS but have just backburned for the time being. They want to focus on FiS which is perfectly fine. Eventually they will come back to WiS...they don't have a choice...they started it and will eventually need to finish it. My bet is they are working on it right now with a much smaller team than before while they keep the focus on the core game. I am also positive that we will hear much more about WiS at the fanfest. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.23 14:22:00 -
[1836] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Guys...keep reading what devs post in blogs. It is clear they have not given up on WiS but have just backburned for the time being. They want to focus on FiS which is perfectly fine. Eventually they will come back to WiS...they don't have a choice...they started it and will eventually need to finish it. My bet is they are working on it right now with a much smaller team than before while they keep the focus on the core game. I am also positive that we will hear much more about WiS at the fanfest.
you could be right ,but we just asking CCP about it. nothing more ,nothing less i realise that the new direction CCP made,was needed. CCP had to make a few people happy and i do like crubicle myself so we are not asking to give us WIS tomorrow ,only some info
edit: after 80+ pages it is about time I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Podcorn
Doomheim
16
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Posted - 2011.12.23 18:36:00 -
[1837] - Quote
Why won't CCP respond to this thread? Yet, they respond to threads about who their characters look like irl. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.23 18:47:00 -
[1838] - Quote
Podcorn wrote:Why won't CCP respond to this thread? Because the roleplayer barbie fetishists don't want to hear the answer CCP would provide if they did post here.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Podcorn
Doomheim
16
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Posted - 2011.12.23 18:59:00 -
[1839] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Podcorn wrote:Why won't CCP respond to this thread? Because the roleplayer barbie fetishists.
...
I think CCP has said they're continuing to work on Incarna I'd like for them to expatiate on it. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.23 19:00:00 -
[1840] - Quote
Podcorn wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Podcorn wrote:Why won't CCP respond to this thread? Because the roleplayer barbie fetishists. ... I think CCP has said they're continuing to work on Incarna I'd like for them to expatiate on it.
You did not get it.
Roleplayer barbie fetishists do not want to get an response.. Which is entirely correct.
However some players do want an response |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
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Posted - 2011.12.23 19:11:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Podcorn wrote:Why won't CCP respond to this thread? Because the roleplayer barbie fetishists don't want to hear the answer CCP would provide if they did post here.
aaah my favorite troll . be nice to him ,hes helping this thread to grow i salute you mister troll ,for helping us out here to keep this thread alive I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Velani Askiras
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.23 19:50:00 -
[1842] - Quote
I always supported WIS and still do. Just the way it was implemented was bad.
Just keep focusing on FIS and try to devote a small team to WIS for now. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
465
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:02:00 -
[1843] - Quote
I just a temp room for that sweet board game they said was ready for the incarna expansion. But then the muliplayer environments died.
So it seems the best next small step would be to push out the ability to invite people into your CQ, and let us set up the gaming table. It's still just beta testingy stuff, but even if we are allowed to invite over a friend or two max, it would be something. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:17:00 -
[1844] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:I just a temp room for that sweet board game they said was ready for the incarna expansion. But then the muliplayer environments died.
So it seems the best next small step would be to push out the ability to invite people into your CQ, and let us set up the gaming table. It's still just beta testingy stuff, but even if we are allowed to invite over a friend or two max, it would be something.
Why in the name of Satans sausage are you paying a subscription to a game about spaceships so you can go play board games in a little room with your little friends...you know you could quit EVE and just do that online without having to pay for it , right ?
You know you could go play hello kitty or the Sims and invite your friends to your house, and you could play games, pick pretty colours for the new bedroom you just added to your house, show him the new anal beads you just bought, and see where that leads.
Seriously, the is EVE, its a cold, harsh unforgiving universe which evolves around spaceships getting blown up...and your talking about playing board games. |
Velani Askiras
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:41:00 -
[1845] - Quote
robbyx wrote:Why in the name of Satans sausage are you paying a subscription to a game about spaceships so you can go play board games in a little room with your little friends...you know you could quit EVE and just do that online without having to pay for it , right ?
Because we like to have more possiblies in an spaceship game other than just spaceships. Having more to do would be just cool in an Sandbox game you know?
robbyx wrote: You know you could go play hello kitty or the Sims and invite your friends to your house, and you could play games, pick pretty colours for the new bedroom you just added to your house, show him the new anal beads you just bought, and see where that leads.
Sure we could, but then we don't have spaceships.
robbyx wrote:Seriously, the is EVE, its a cold, harsh unforgiving universe which evolves around spaceships getting blown up...and your talking about playing board games.
True, but even in the STAR WARS movies while they were in heavy WAR they played board games to relax and have some fun, just to give you an example how this would make indeed sense, even in EVE ;)
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:57:00 -
[1846] - Quote
Velani Askiras wrote:robbyx wrote:Why in the name of Satans sausage are you paying a subscription to a game about spaceships so you can go play board games in a little room with your little friends...you know you could quit EVE and just do that online without having to pay for it , right ?
Because we like to have more possiblies in an spaceship game other than just spaceships. Having more to do would be just cool in an Sandbox game you know? robbyx wrote: You know you could go play hello kitty or the Sims and invite your friends to your house, and you could play games, pick pretty colours for the new bedroom you just added to your house, show him the new anal beads you just bought, and see where that leads.
Sure we could, but then we don't have spaceships. robbyx wrote:Seriously, the is EVE, its a cold, harsh unforgiving universe which evolves around spaceships getting blown up...and your talking about playing board games. True, but even in the STAR WARS movies while they were in heavy WAR they played board games to relax and have some fun, just to give you an example how this would make indeed sense, even in EVE ;)
1...so i should go to EA and ask them to implement spaceships into BF3 because it would be fun and give us more to do ? i should also ask Turbine to add armoured vehicles to Dungeons and Dragons online because it would be fun and give us more to do right ?....see how stupid that sounds ?
2...I play other games that dont have spaceships, doesnt mean im stupid enough to ask for them to be implemented in those games.
3...They played one game, on their way to some far of system, not while they were in "heavy war"....you know there is a Star wars game out now, go there and ask for board games.
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Velani Askiras
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.23 21:10:00 -
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robbyx wrote: 1...so i should go to EA and ask them to implement spaceships into BF3 because it would be fun and give us more to do ? i should also ask Turbine to add armoured vehicles to Dungeons and Dragons online because it would be fun and give us more to do right ?....see how stupid that sounds ?
2...I play other games that dont have spaceships, doesnt mean im stupid enough to ask for them to be implemented in those games.
3...They played one game, on their way to some far of system, not while they were in "heavy war"....you know there is a Star wars game out now, go there and ask for board games.
1. Obviously you missed the point, because In your examples it does indeed sound stupid. Spaceships in BF3 make zero sense, same with armoured vehicles in D&D. Board games have been a part in every era, so it isn't wrong at all to ask for such an feature if it looks like that it would be possible to pull it off. With Incarna / CQ it seems possible. It is not a must, just an example what could be implemented.
2. Depends what game it is.
3. Of course they played only one game in the movie, it would be quite boring to show off 6 hours STAR WARS dudes while they play just board games! Fact is in an Sci-Fi world board games simply exist and with Incarna and CQ, if it is possible, why not? Nobody forces you to make use of it. Nobody forces you to go mining in EVE, in low sec, 0 sec, PI, manufacturing etc. You get the idea hopefully.
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.23 21:15:00 -
[1848] - Quote
Velani Askiras wrote:robbyx wrote: 1...so i should go to EA and ask them to implement spaceships into BF3 because it would be fun and give us more to do ? i should also ask Turbine to add armoured vehicles to Dungeons and Dragons online because it would be fun and give us more to do right ?....see how stupid that sounds ?
2...I play other games that dont have spaceships, doesnt mean im stupid enough to ask for them to be implemented in those games.
3...They played one game, on their way to some far of system, not while they were in "heavy war"....you know there is a Star wars game out now, go there and ask for board games.
1. Obviously you missed the point, because In your examples it does indeed sound stupid. Spaceships in BF3 make zero sense, same with armoured vehicles in D&D. Board games have been a part in every era, so it isn't wrong at all to ask for such an feature if it looks like that it would be possible to pull it off. With Incarna / CQ it seems possible. It is not a must, just an example what could be implemented. 2. Depends what game it is. 3. Of course they played only one game in the movie, it would be quite boring to show off 6 hours STAR WARS dudes while they play just board games! Fact is in an Sci-Fi world board games simply exist and with Incarna and CQ, if it is possible, why not? Nobody forces you to make use of it. Nobody forces you to go mining in EVE, in low sec, 0 sec, PI, manufacturing etc. You get the idea hopefully.
Basically it comes down to asking CCP to send time and resources to implement some trivial time waster, because they can ? |
Podcorn
Doomheim
16
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Posted - 2011.12.23 21:16:00 -
[1849] - Quote
robbyx wrote:Velani Askiras wrote:robbyx wrote:Why in the name of Satans sausage are you paying a subscription to a game about spaceships so you can go play board games in a little room with your little friends...you know you could quit EVE and just do that online without having to pay for it , right ?
Because we like to have more possiblies in an spaceship game other than just spaceships. Having more to do would be just cool in an Sandbox game you know? robbyx wrote: You know you could go play hello kitty or the Sims and invite your friends to your house, and you could play games, pick pretty colours for the new bedroom you just added to your house, show him the new anal beads you just bought, and see where that leads.
Sure we could, but then we don't have spaceships. robbyx wrote:Seriously, the is EVE, its a cold, harsh unforgiving universe which evolves around spaceships getting blown up...and your talking about playing board games. True, but even in the STAR WARS movies while they were in heavy WAR they played board games to relax and have some fun, just to give you an example how this would make indeed sense, even in EVE ;) 1...so i should go to EA and ask them to implement spaceships into BF3 because it would be fun and give us more to do ? i should also ask Turbine to add armoured vehicles to Dungeons and Dragons online because it would be fun and give us more to do right ?....see how stupid that sounds ? 2...I play other games that dont have spaceships, doesnt mean im stupid enough to ask for them to be implemented in those games. 3...They played one game, on their way to some far of system, not while they were in "heavy war"....you know there is a Star wars game out now, go there and ask for board games.
Board games would be something to do in station instead of spinning your ship like a monkey.
Why do you spin your ship? .. like a monkey? vOv I don't care or judge.
A strategy game (which has already been developed) called SecWars or something.. would be something to do with someone in game, at an establishment, players (even not playing) could wager on the outcome. There could be rigged games, scamming, personal conflicts, 'smack'.
That is content.
Why do you talk in local? It seems pointless and not about spaceships? Why don't you join an AOL chatroom?
Your argument is as ridiculous as you are ********. |
Velani Askiras
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.23 21:19:00 -
[1850] - Quote
robbyx wrote:
Basically it comes down to asking CCP to send time and resources to implement some trivial time waster, because they can ?
No!
I wrote earlier in this thread, focus on FIS! Devote a small team to WIS if possible. If not then maybe later.
Don't get me wrong, i do not want to see wasted time either.
This needs serious thinking before touching WIS again.
Board Games is just an example, not a must |
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.23 21:27:00 -
[1851] - Quote
Velani Askiras wrote:robbyx wrote:
Basically it comes down to asking CCP to send time and resources to implement some trivial time waster, because they can ?
No! I wrote earlier in this thread, focus on FIS! Devote a small team to WIS if possible. If not then maybe later. Don't get me wrong, i do not want to see wasted time either. This needs serious thinking before touching WIS again. Board Games is just an example, not a must
Well then i guess we are mostly in agreement, however i would not call board games a good example, and if WiS is ever going to be looked at again it should be relevant to EVE...war rooms etc.
I mean look at the idiot poster above you, hes actually stupid enough to call mini games content...thats the type ridiculous thinking most of the "haters" are worried about, that dev time should be invested in that type of rubbish is just ludicrous.
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Velani Askiras
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.23 21:30:00 -
[1852] - Quote
robbyx wrote:Velani Askiras wrote:robbyx wrote:
Basically it comes down to asking CCP to send time and resources to implement some trivial time waster, because they can ?
No! I wrote earlier in this thread, focus on FIS! Devote a small team to WIS if possible. If not then maybe later. Don't get me wrong, i do not want to see wasted time either. This needs serious thinking before touching WIS again. Board Games is just an example, not a must Well then i guess we are mostly in agreement, however i would not call board games a good example, and if WiS is ever going to be looked at again it should be relevant to EVE...war rooms etc. I mean look at the idiot poster above you, hes actually stupid enough to call mini games content...thats the type ridiculous thinking most of the "haters" are worried about, that dev time should be invested in that type of rubbish is just ludicrous.
I agree that WIS should be relevant to EVE first before they can even think about some mini games or whatever. I was just saying that i wouldn't say "no" to board games like you did :p
Anyways, looks like we are indeed mostly in agreement. Sorry for any confusion.
I do not want to call anyone idiot, i will leave that open to you :p |
Podcorn
Doomheim
16
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Posted - 2011.12.23 22:06:00 -
[1853] - Quote
robbyx wrote:
actually stupid enough to call mini games content
I'm not sure you know which game you're playing, but games in an establishment would be content. Part of a multi-player game in a dynamic universe which features anything from mining OPs, to a free complex market, to blob warfare is player interaction. EVE isn't a space combat simulator. I know that you probably didn't do well in science, math or logic courses, but the spaceships in EVE move like submarines, you are not training to be an astronaut. Again this is a complex multi-player game.
This is the definition of content for you (free tutoring by me). You're welcome. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.23 22:49:00 -
[1854] - Quote
Podcorn wrote:robbyx wrote:
actually stupid enough to call mini games content
I'm not sure you know which game you're playing, but games in an establishment would be content. Part of a multi-player game in a dynamic universe which features anything from mining OPs, to a free complex market, to blob warfare is player interaction. EVE isn't a space combat simulator. I know that you probably didn't do well in science, math or logic courses, but the spaceships in EVE move like submarines, you are not training to be an astronaut. Again this is a complex multi-player game. This is the definition of content for you (free tutoring by me). You're welcome.
Technically it is content i guess...but then again CCP could add flying fish heads that players bat back and forth with their ships in space and you could call that content as well...doesnt mean its a good idea or that it should be done, or should even be called content.
EVE was, is and will always be about spaceships, the manufacture and destruction of spaceships drives every aspect of this game...all the things you mentioned, mining op's, blob warfare, complex free market all exist to aid in the destruction of spaceships...this is what people play EVE for, its what got CCP awards, its what put EVE on the MMO map, and its what CCP do better than anyone else....it is also what they should stick to, at least in regards to EVE.
In that context silly little side games are not content at all...they are a pathetic waste of developers time and resources which could be better spent elsewhere...you know, on things that are actually relevant to game, rather than distracting players from the business of spaceships they should spend that time coming up with and developing content that encourages and involves players in the actual game.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.24 07:12:00 -
[1855] - Quote
well i think WIS/FIS lovers and only FIS whiners have to wait for some love to EVE DUST beta is coming so in order make that NOT A SPACESHIP GAME a success ,CCP resources will be needed for that console crap
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.24 08:50:00 -
[1856] - Quote
Podcorn wrote:I'm not sure you know which game you're playing, but games in an establishment would be content. Content that only a tiny fraction of the players want and that would take valuable developer time away from real Eve content.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2011.12.24 10:00:00 -
[1857] - Quote
CCP already announced that the theme of the next expension will be WAR...
W alking A dditional R ooms
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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
169
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Posted - 2011.12.24 10:47:00 -
[1858] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Podcorn wrote:I'm not sure you know which game you're playing, but games in an establishment would be content. Content that only a tiny fraction of the players want and that would take valuable developer time away from real Eve content.
When ppl think they are majority and the most important... XD Or... you are so big so that you are the biggest part of player base indeed... but then you have to stand up from that chair and move your but out through that doors, if you can pass through it... if not... well... we are out of luck then and are stuck with your ugly and arrogant face...
But... lets talk about numbers of players that want WiS... thats 90%. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2011.12.24 11:02:00 -
[1859] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:But... lets talk about numbers of players that want WiS... thats 90%.
You are wrong. It is 2%.
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Orvy Bearmedeer
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.12.24 11:16:00 -
[1860] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:
But... lets talk about numbers of players that want WiS... thats 90%.
This is not true. We play this game for the spaceships, most of us. According to your logic most players wouldn't play it unless there was more of decorative clothing, board game and haemorrhoidal station walking...
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Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.24 11:20:00 -
[1861] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:But... lets talk about numbers of players that want WiS... thats 90%. You are wrong. It is 2%.
So over 1.2 million dollars a year worth of accounts want WiS.
Interesting. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.12.24 11:25:00 -
[1862] - Quote
So many haters wanting to impose what they think Eve is supposed to be on others. FiS is good but WiS has also many awesome possibilities. If you hate one or the other just avoid it not go OMFG THEY BE DOING WIS LETS GO SHOOT JITA MONUMENT AND UNSUB. That's just acting like a 2 year old who had a toy taken away so he wants all his friends to have their toy taken away also. |
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
34
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Posted - 2011.12.24 11:29:00 -
[1863] - Quote
Thousands of people subbed to this game for several years, not to mention the newcomers, with the dream that CCP would start making due on their promise, and their own dream for what EVE was to become.. another universe. Not just "spaceships in space".
This was pretty much the plan from the get go, but they settled for space pew pew because they had neither the resources nor the technology to create their universe.
Now, we're on the precipice of seeing the beginning of that, but as far as we know... it will never happen. Why? Because there is a minority, yes, a minority of mouth-breathers that want it to be pew-pew in space and nothing else. They have no imagination and no ability to embrace new ideas. They just want "sociopaths in space", and that's what EVE has become. I like harsh EVE as much as the next guy, but I want to see EVE evolve from this.
It totally reminds me of the downfall of the original EverQuest. Back when EQ was just the holy trinity, Kunark and Velious, it was the tops. The game was mostly about the little adventure and the common player, then SOE started listening to the extremely vocal, yet entirely silly minority known as the "raiders". The hugely anti-social meta-gamers that camped mobs for 24hrs a day. Then every expansion from there on out was mostly about the "raids" and end-game, and the magic of EQ was mostly gone.
In EVE, the vocal minority spits uncontrollably, then shoots a fake statue with fake lasers in a video game for protest. Then they get on the forums and try to spit all over anyone with an imagination, or those who wanted to embrace CCP's original dream.
I hope EVE starts going back down the WiS path again, but it's a pipe-dream now. The vocal minority and the budget being stretched too thin just destroyed the original dream. Sad. Really, it could have been amazing, but it was so unbelievably mismanaged. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.24 11:34:00 -
[1864] - Quote
We don't have any exact numbers of how many players really want WiS. If we have a look at the forums or eg at this thread, we can only get a general idea. It appears we have a lot of supporters who want something meaningful and who are not against the general idea of WiS but we also have a lot of opposition who don't want to see anything WiS related ever. That's really everything we can say about "numbers" so it's a bit mute to talk about those numbers.
However it seems that there is indeed a significant number of players who support it. And because of the argument that WiS could be made optional it is absolutely legit to talk and discuss about the future and the possibilities of WiS content. Of course EVE Online is a game about spaceships. But reading the chronicles it is apparent that the life on board of a station or a planet has also a lot of impact to the universe. Be it impact on a more personal level or even a broader one. No one wants to get rid of the spaceships and I think not many people want a WiS that is completely unrelated to flying spaceships.
So long, have some nice holidays and don't hate too much. That applies for both sides of the fence . After all, we are all players of a great game and nobody wants to destroy it, bear that in mind. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2011.12.24 12:11:00 -
[1865] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Lexmana wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:But... lets talk about numbers of players that want WiS... thats 90%. You are wrong. It is 2%. So over 1.2 million dollars a year worth of accounts want WiS. Interesting.
That is only about 147 million ISK and not worth the effort. http://www.exchangerate.com/currency-converter/USD/ISK/1200000/?XR-200Plus_Converter=convert&calc_short_from_iso=239&calc_short_to_iso=108
And while we are pulling numbers out of our arse lets just se what we want WiS really means:
1) We want WiS and FiS and everything else too (including free beer and peace on earth). 2) We want to pull resources from FiS development and put them into avatars WiS.
What most people does not seem to understand is that 1) will never happen and 2) is the only reality. Now how many support putting FiS on the backburner again? |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.24 12:37:00 -
[1866] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:That is only about 147 million ISK and not worth the effort. http://tinyurl.com/d6cgufcAnd while we are pulling numbers out of our arse lets just se what we want WiS really means: 1) We want WiS and FiS and everything else too (including free beer and peace on earth). 2) We want to pull resources from FiS development and put them into avatars WiS. What most people does not seem to understand is that 1) will never happen and 2) is the only reality. Now how many support putting FiS on the backburner again?
I can only assume you're drunk.
More so if you expect anyone to follow a tinyurl on these forums.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.24 16:40:00 -
[1867] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=5 can some one count how many barbie lovers? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Podcorn
Doomheim
16
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Posted - 2011.12.24 17:06:00 -
[1868] - Quote
You know, these goons are probably right. If CCP wanted WiS they would have said something by now. I think they just wanted to have a platform to sell NeX items. The goons probably have inside info anyway, considering all of the CCP employees who say they are goons.. they are even given special trips to Iceland to tell CCP how to design the game. CCP clearly favors them outside of the game and in the game they're allowed to bot with impunity.
Oh well, it was naive to think CCP from 5 years ago is the same today. Soundwave and Hilmar ... |
iSupremacy
Battle BV
2
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Posted - 2011.12.24 17:12:00 -
[1869] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:So I played Earth and Beyond from launch till lights out. I played Eve briefly when it first came out (mostly for my job at the time which is another story) and quickly abandoned it to focus on E&B. When E&B lights out was announced I got back into Eve.
Here is what I found more compelling about E&B:
- Walking in stations and dealing with vendors "face to face" and meeing with my guild mates "face to face". There was even a disco. - The variation throughout space. Every system was unique! Colorful and often pretty. - Exploration was required to learn to get around. - The music and sound, in particular how the music was unique to your race and changed dynamically based on your activities and location. I still play the music sometimes as background music. - Humor - you had a good time in E&B. - Landing on and flying in planet atmospheres - Non human space MOBs - Ship personalization - Storyline was directly integrated into the game experience and was updated almost every month. - Immersion in stations, constant videos and ads were fun, even holiday music during the holiday season in stations - Mining was better - Random cool ship wrecks to salvage
What I liked about Eve better:
- Player dirven markets and Economy - Variation of ships and races/skills/carreer paths - Huge numbers of ships - Space was HUGE (but sadly looked the same everywhere) - Larger number of players on at any time - I could still play it and I had learned I was more interested in a SciFi space game with real space flight than wood elf bards.
So WiS for me was the first step to seeing Eve add back what I missed so much about Earth and Beyond. I would note that Earth and Beyond even when they plug was pulled had more subscriptions than Eve at the time. Earth and Beyond died because EA took the resources away to put on yet another elf and orc game not because there wasn't interest.
When E&B died I tried to get all my friends to move to Eve but most never got over the "I'm a ship, not a person" in Eve thing. I know without a doubt that if CCP does get us past the door, even it if is just to do basic interaction, the new subscription rate will increase and the new folks will be much more likely to stay.
So I am sure there are other folks that could tell you why the starwars game had higher subscriptions that Eve until the dreaded NPE reboot as it also showed what an avatar experience with flying in space can deliver in terms of fun.
So when the FiS zealots shout "go to WoW pathetic care bear" all I can say is they aren't taking a moment to realize that WoW isn't a SciFi game and I am here for a SciFi game. Right now there are very few choices if you prefer space to caves and forests. I'd say for the most part Eve has FiS pretty close to nailed. They have the markets and the ecconomy pretty close to nailed, they could do a little better with some aspects of mining and industry. But what they don't have is the immersion that comes from leaving your ship and remembering you are playing a humanoid in the distant future in a huge future civilization, not just some human autopilot in a ship. Once they add that next part Eve has the potential to become a mainstream game. And that means a lot more money in the pockets of CCP to deliver even better FiS.
So just FiS = Eve the size it is now mostly forever. FiS + WiS = Eve approaching WoW in player base. You FiS only guys need to realize that.
(Oh, and if CCP really wants to make Eve better, fix the sound and the music! Study after study have shown how much more emotional connection occurs when you get those right! Most folks I know in Eve don't even listen to the sounds and music in Eve which shows what a failure CCP has been with that aspect of Eve.)
Issler
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.24 17:17:00 -
[1870] - Quote
Podcorn wrote:You know, these goons are probably right. If CCP wanted WiS they would have said something by now. I think they just wanted to have a platform to sell NeX items. The goons probably have inside info anyway, considering all of the CCP employees who say they are goons.. they are even given special trips to Iceland to tell CCP how to design the game. CCP clearly favors them outside of the game and in the game they're allowed to bot with impunity. Oh well, it was naive to think CCP from 5 years ago is the same today. Soundwave and Hilmar ...
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.24 17:18:00 -
[1871] - Quote
Probably non. Since you and few others "important" yet ignorant people call it that. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2011.12.24 17:24:00 -
[1872] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Probably non. Since you and few others "important" yet ignorant people call it that.
Actually, there is a handful of them but that thread is a good read for all you WiS advocates - it shows what players really cares about in EVE.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.24 17:31:00 -
[1873] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Probably non. Since you and few others "important" yet ignorant people call it that. Actually, there is a handful of them but that thread is a good read for all you WiS advocates - it shows what players really cares about in EVE.
Yes, and most of the people who dont "hate" an idea of WiS. Wants those things too.. Faction warfare, sov changes, removing tiers on ships, docking games, etc.
Hatred for WiS is based mostly of ignorance and an unbelievably strong character which refuse other people opinions just because its different to their own. Ignorance is bliss.. Right . NO Ignorance is Ignorance, nothing more nothing less.
Crucible .. 3 more CQ .. thats three times of what we actually got at "Incarna" Yet considered as an success... So go figure.. + we all like our hangars back/ship spinning and an option to get in CQ, which should be done right at the begining. WiS optional
Anyway i actually doubt that WiS will get new customers, since quite honestly it provides nothing imporant so why bother. But i may be wrong and it actually could boost EVE population just because it reach another level, something which non of the other games ever had, full meaningful sci-fi based in New Eden.
Chances .. dont know i am not that good at prognosis. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.24 17:53:00 -
[1874] - Quote
Anyone who insists that WIS be made a priority again, and thinks that CCP is ignoring them should just unsub now, i.e vote with your wallet.
A significant loss of revenue is what it took to get CCP back on track with FIS, and when their financials are released next year it will be very enlightening to see how many players "voted" in 2011 for a return to sanity.
After 4+ years of Dev time where 2 of those years FIS was abandoned almost entirely, we got the Captain's Closet, and some overpriced fashion accessories available via a cash-shop. Be very careful what you demand CCP expend its resources on, their definition of "excellence" is not quite the same as the one in the dictionary. CCP's history and perception by its peers of "over-promise then under-deliver" is going to take a lot of time to turn around, and I very much doubt WIS is going to be how they accomplish that. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.24 18:01:00 -
[1875] - Quote
o7o7o7m8m8m8m8 can we just keep the discussions civil and do without all the please
you accuse ignorance, bigotry when you said yourself, wis is nothing important what is important is the scarcity of dev resources, and you barbie lover's denial and ignorance of that reality you can't have both fis and wis, but you can have fis on focus and wis on backburner One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.24 18:38:00 -
[1876] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:However it seems that there is indeed a significant number of players who support it. Based on what? This thread has two or three space barbie fetishists and their alt characters so I hope you're not using it as your evidence.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.24 18:39:00 -
[1877] - Quote
Podcorn wrote:You know, these goons are probably right. If CCP wanted WiS they would have said something by now. I think they just wanted to have a platform to sell NeX items. The goons probably have inside info anyway, considering all of the CCP employees who say they are goons.. they are even given special trips to Iceland to tell CCP how to design the game. CCP clearly favors them outside of the game and in the game they're allowed to bot with impunity. Oh well, it was naive to think CCP from 5 years ago is the same today. Soundwave and Hilmar ... Thank you. This is the best Christmas gift I have received so far. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.24 21:01:00 -
[1878] - Quote
So I hope WiS supporters will join me in not feeding some reoccurring trolls in the thread.
Anyone that makes any of these comments should just be ignored
1. No one wants WiS (this thread proves that wrong). 2. We want CCP to focus on WiS entirely (we don't at this point we hope there will be some continuation of WiS work but mostly we want CCP to clarify the future). 3. Anyone that says anything aboutus wanting to play space barbies is automatically not worth a response. 4. Anyone that says Eve is a space ship only game and not a SciFi game as CCP has already said Eve is a SciFi game. 5. Anyone that seems to think that their way of playing Eve is the only "right way" and because they aren't interested in WiS no one would want WiS. That is a close minded and unimaginative response. 6. Anyone that makes this personal and not about the topic. 7. Anyone that claims the unsubbs after Incarna were just about WiS and not a lot of other things that came with that expansion or leaked internal correspondence that made many loose confidence in CCP's management.
Again, CCP!!!! This thead should no longer be ignored!!! Give us a statement to address our concerns regarding the future of ambulation in Eve!
Issler
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.24 21:26:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:We don't have any exact numbers of how many players really want WiS. If we have a look at the forums or eg at this thread, we can only get a general idea. It appears we have a lot of supporters who want something meaningful and who are not against the general idea of WiS but we also have a lot of opposition who don't want to see anything WiS related ever. That's really everything we can say about "numbers" so it's a bit mute to talk about those numbers. However it seems that there is indeed a significant number of players who support it. And because of the argument that WiS could be made optional it is absolutely legit to talk and discuss about the future and the possibilities of WiS content. Of course EVE Online is a game about spaceships. But reading the chronicles it is apparent that the life on board of a station or a planet has also a lot of impact to the universe. Be it impact on a more personal level or even a broader one. No one wants to get rid of the spaceships and I think not many people want a WiS that is completely unrelated to flying spaceships. So long, have some nice holidays and don't hate too much. That applies for both sides of the fence . After all, we are all players of a great game and nobody wants to destroy it, bear that in mind. wish you to have a nice holiday
nobody in this thread wants to destroy this game everybody here ,even the fat goon tool ,loves this game
wish you all a nice Christmas( yep even the goons) and a 80+ thread replied by CCP devs
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.24 21:29:00 -
[1880] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:o7o7o7m8m8m8m8 can we just keep the discussions civil and do without all the please you accuse ignorance, bigotry when you said yourself, wis is nothing important what is important is the scarcity of dev resources, and you barbie lover's denial and ignorance of that reality you can't have both fis and wis, but you can have fis on focus and wis on backburner
And nobody is asking for more. Thats all fine . FiS/EVE is important to keep fresh and "fix" all those things which has been overlooked or become obsolete because people progressed. WiS/addition on backburner is perfectly reasonable.
Yet i dont call anyone barbie lover or so, i dont find it necessary/needed. |
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.24 23:17:00 -
[1881] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Arcathra wrote:However it seems that there is indeed a significant number of players who support it. Based on what? This thread has two or three space barbie fetishists and their alt characters so I hope you're not using it as your evidence. Read may post again. I'm not claiming to have any evidence. That's because I used the word seem. Of course I could be entirely wrong and the hard facts could be totaly different. But we can't get the hard facts through a forum that is only used by a part of the whole community. But we might use it as an example that pictures the supposed dempgraphic of EVE players.
So I have a question for you. Where is your evidence that this thread has only two or three "space barbie fetishists" and their alts"? Where is your eveidence? There is no way you can know the alts of all people who are posting here. And to beginn with, not all of the supporters are even "space barbie fetishists".
Doc Firy wrote:Anyone who insists that WIS be made a priority again, and thinks that CCP is ignoring them should just unsub now, i.e vote with your wallet. You are right. But there arn't that many who really want WiS as a priority. Most of use would be very cool with a secondary or even tertiary positioning. Or even lower, if necessary. We just don't want it to be abondened forever, like they did with many other features (that get hopefully now their much needed attention).
Doc Fury wrote:A significant loss of revenue is what it took to get CCP back on track with FIS, and when their financials are released next year it will be very enlightening to see how many players "voted" in 2011 for a return to sanity.
After 4+ years of Dev time where 2 of those years FIS was abandoned almost entirely, we got the Captain's Closet, and some overpriced fashion accessories available via a cash-shop. Be very careful what you demand CCP expend its resources on, their definition of "excellence" is not quite the same as the one in the dictionary. CCP's history and perception by its peers of "over-promise then under-deliver" is going to take a lot of time to turn around, and I very much doubt WIS is going to be how they accomplish that. Read what we are talking about. No one denies that. Why do you keep bringing up that point? We know that CCP failed with Incarna and its implementation. We also have suffered because the lacklustre expansions before Crucible. Please, don't try twisting our words, do you really think we don't know that the spaceship content isn't the core and main selling point of the game? We were as (or even more) disappointed than you with the Incarna expansion. I am okay that WiS is on the backburner at the moment. All the fixes and maybe some nice new features to the core of the game are very much needed and overdue. I (and some others) are just asking and discussing a possible future of WiS. Note: the "future" could be in two years or even further. If there is place or workforce for it only CCP can answer. I don't know their internals so it could be entirely possible that they still have staff (slowly) working on some WiS features. We would just like to know .
Taiwanistan wrote:can we just keep the discussions civil and do without all the That would be great. Sadly you are the one who is insulting others most of the time, a bit ironic to read that from you . |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.24 23:27:00 -
[1882] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Why do you keep bringing up that point?
Because of the ongoing bleating about CCP not answering pro-WIS players in this thread. They aren't going to answer you here because WIS is on the back burner where they now realize it always belonged.
Pro-WIS people are going to have to wait until fanfest before anyone at CCP is going to go near this subject, and even then their words will be very carefully chosen.
If you want to have a feature, or "what if" asking discussion as you claim, there is another forum area here called Features & Ideas Discussion where your dialog would be more applicable. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.24 23:42:00 -
[1883] - Quote
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.25 07:25:00 -
[1884] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Arcathra wrote:Why do you keep bringing up that point? Because of the ongoing bleating about CCP not answering pro-WIS players in this thread. They aren't going to answer you here because WIS is on the back burner where they now realize it always belonged. Pro-WIS people are going to have to wait until fanfest before anyone at CCP is going to go near this subject, and even then their words will be very carefully chosen. If you want to have a feature, or "what if" asking discussion as you claim, there is another forum area here called Features & Ideas Discussion where your dialog would be more applicable.
and thank you for helping this to go on
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.25 07:44:00 -
[1885] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:So I have a question for you. Where is your evidence that this thread has only two or three "space barbie fetishists" and their alts"? Where is your eveidence? There is no way you can know the alts of all people who are posting here. And to beginn with, not all of the supporters are even "space barbie fetishists". I've been involved with the thread since the beginning. If you read all of it you'll see a pattern where there a couple of people crying about not having enough dresses and then a rotating stable of characters in newbie corps who write *exactly* the same way as the first set of WiS whiners.
And yes, if somebody is upset that CCP saved their game by putting roleplaying microtransaction nonsense on the backburner and are demanding an answer to when CCP will reverse that deserves to be labeled as a space barbie fetishist.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.25 07:48:00 -
[1886] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Arcathra wrote:So I have a question for you. Where is your evidence that this thread has only two or three "space barbie fetishists" and their alts"? Where is your eveidence? There is no way you can know the alts of all people who are posting here. And to beginn with, not all of the supporters are even "space barbie fetishists". I've been involved with the thread since the beginning. If you read all of it you'll see a pattern where there a couple of people crying about not having enough dresses and then a rotating stable of characters in newbie corps who write *exactly* the same way as the first set of WiS whiners. And yes, if somebody is upset that CCP saved their game by putting roleplaying microtransaction nonsense on the backburner and are demanding an answer to when CCP will reverse that deserves to be labeled as a space barbie fetishist.
heheheheh and you belong to the same 2 or 3 people ,wanting to show the world their wishate
with the six of us ,we made a very long thread ,is it not I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Shuno Bravo
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.12.25 09:03:00 -
[1887] - Quote
Going back to the OP quote : "People want more spaceships, ... "
I am not interested in joining the WIS v FIS debate.
I think from a new revenue, i.e. new subscribers perspective, the more interesting question is do newbies really want more and more ships or is it actually a turn-off ? How can this issue be addressed ? I have posted one proposal in 'little things' & below :
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=549074#post549074
#1568 Posted: 2011.12.19 10:02 Overview & Ship info.
To a new player the number of different types of ships is overwellming.
The overview is not helpful in this respect as it displays the 'racial type' rather than the base type.
i.e as well as stating 'Claw' it should also be able to display 'Interceptor' , and even 'Minmatar' to those that want to see this.
Perhaps rather than the text 'Minmatar' one column could apear in the racial color. |
Laken Starr
Integrated Astromechanics Corp. Zeta Conglomerate
14
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Posted - 2011.12.25 09:08:00 -
[1888] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Of course EVE Online is a game about spaceships. But reading the chronicles it is apparent that the life on board of a station or a planet has also a lot of impact to the universe. Be it impact on a more personal level or even a broader one. No one wants to get rid of the spaceships and I think not many people want a WiS that is completely unrelated to flying spaceships.
I think it's a gross simplification to say that Eve is a game about spaceships. While they're certainly a huge part of the game, it ignores the fact that there is an entire universe with many different facets. Economics, politics, leadership, intelligence gathering, logistics...there's quite a bit beyond just spaceships and explosions.
Most of the people in favour of more WiS content don't seem to think they should drop all the FiS work to focus on it; little additions to it every patch would be sufficient. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.25 09:19:00 -
[1889] - Quote
Laken Starr wrote:Arcathra wrote:Of course EVE Online is a game about spaceships. But reading the chronicles it is apparent that the life on board of a station or a planet has also a lot of impact to the universe. Be it impact on a more personal level or even a broader one. No one wants to get rid of the spaceships and I think not many people want a WiS that is completely unrelated to flying spaceships. I think it's a gross simplification to say that Eve is a game about spaceships. While they're certainly a huge part of the game, it ignores the fact that there is an entire universe with many different facets. Economics, politics, leadership, intelligence gathering, logistics...there's quite a bit beyond just spaceships and explosions. Most of the people in favour of more WiS content don't seem to think they should drop all the FiS work to focus on it; little additions to it every patch would be sufficient.
Right, we don,t want FIS neglected anymore like in the past,but putting WIS on ice is a shame. We want WIS to stay optional ,so the shipspinners can go on to push their ships around we want WIS to have some resources to it ,but FIS must be the focus right now. And if WIS stays optional WIShaters don,t have to bother. and what WIShaters seem to forget that DUSTbeta is coming. Don,t hear them complain about recourses that a beta will need. The moment this beta goes live ,all recourses go on bughunting that consolecrap I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.25 09:38:00 -
[1890] - Quote
CCP, stop your shameless cowardice!! Answer our call for clarification and justification for your WiS plans.
Right now you look like reactionary cowards that are in the pocket of a pro 0.0 FiS only CSM.
Respond with your vision and plans and make this thread go away!
Issler |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.25 11:10:00 -
[1891] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:CCP, stop your shameless cowardice!! Answer our call for clarification and justification for your WiS plans.
Right now you look like reactionary cowards that are in the pocket of a pro 0.0 FiS only CSM.
Respond with your vision and plans and make this thread go away!
Issler YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2011.12.25 11:42:00 -
[1892] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:CCP, stop your shameless cowardice!! Answer our call for clarification and justification for your WiS plans.
Right now you look like reactionary cowards that are in the pocket of a pro 0.0 FiS only CSM.
Respond with your vision and plans and make this thread go away!
Issler
I am cutting them some slack because of Unifex's post and being the holiday season... but not much. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Devil's Call
Perkone Caldari State
744
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Posted - 2011.12.25 14:13:00 -
[1893] - Quote
Some time ago they showed avatars walking around in a station, there was exotic dancers and stuff, and you could play some sort of RTS mini game on a table vs other players. I wonder what happened to all that? Did you (CCP) just delete that? Or is it shelved, or what?
Just wondering. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2011.12.25 14:16:00 -
[1894] - Quote
If CCP does answer this thread by stating that they have no plans at this time but may return to WIS at some future date, would that reply cause people to quit the game, shrug it off and continue, or rejoice that similar to past practices, that answer would be translated into "dead and buried"?
Honestly, CCP has learned from the past - any answer they offer would be used by players as concrete proof that they MUST follow through with in a near future date. Player's interpretations of comments get twisted into their view of agreement. CCP could state, "At this time, WIS is not a part of our plans, but we may revisit it around 2014." and there will be players adamant that CCP will have a full-blown expansion just of WIS by that date because they said so.
I could be wrong, but did CCP actually state they are making Eve as a full-blown space simulation game or they would like to eventually move the game in that direction? Over five and a half years into this game, a majority of the expansions have been related to FIS so if an overall space simulation, then CCP is very, very, very far behind. Before Incarna, the planetary interaction expansion's video begged the question whether we pilots were going to be benevolent or tyrant rulers. Unless I am missing something, I have seen no signs that planet mining has had any effects on a non-descriptive populace. I have seen no signs that I need to drink, to eat, to sleep - hell, even hit the bathroom every now and then. But then wouldn't these aspects be part of a full-blown space simulation game, as monotonous as they are in real life?
Again, just because CCP released a video at a fanfest or for public consumption should not be interpreted that CCP will follow that directional path right now, right later, or right never. Or Oveur still owes us players the building aspect of creating pocket dead space dungeons for other players to raid and get destroyed by since he mentioned it long ago on some old video from an even early fanfest.
As stated in this thread earlier, I would like to see a functional WIS. But if such an expansion does not ever arrive, I will not be deterred by what originally drew me to Eve - the space aspects.
Thanks for reading. |
Podcorn
Doomheim
16
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Posted - 2011.12.25 14:59:00 -
[1895] - Quote
I have a feeling that they're waiting for page 100 to respond.
Edit: Also, everyone should report that fake dev post on page 2 or whatever as spam, they're keeping it there only to make it look as though they are communicating which they aren't.
*runs off to tell on the community management team for not doing their job* |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.25 15:45:00 -
[1896] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Arcathra wrote:So I have a question for you. Where is your evidence that this thread has only two or three "space barbie fetishists" and their alts"? Where is your eveidence? There is no way you can know the alts of all people who are posting here. And to beginn with, not all of the supporters are even "space barbie fetishists". I've been involved with the thread since the beginning. If you read all of it you'll see a pattern where there a couple of people crying about not having enough dresses and then a rotating stable of characters in newbie corps who write *exactly* the same way as the first set of WiS whiners. And yes, if somebody is upset that CCP saved their game by putting roleplaying microtransaction nonsense on the backburner and are demanding an answer to when CCP will reverse that deserves to be labeled as a space barbie fetishist.
And it is so, because you said so.. You know the world really shouldn't work that way, unfortunately it works exactly like that. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
764
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Posted - 2011.12.25 16:03:00 -
[1897] - Quote
Guttripper wrote: I could be wrong, but did CCP actually state they are making Eve as a full-blown space simulation game or they would like to eventually move the game in that direction? Over five and a half years into this game, a majority of the expansions have been related to FIS so if an overall space simulation, then CCP is very, very, very far behind. Before Incarna, the planetary interaction expansion's video begged the question whether we pilots were going to be benevolent or tyrant rulers. Unless I am missing something, I have seen no signs that planet mining has had any effects on a non-descriptive populace. I have seen no signs that I need to drink, to eat, to sleep - hell, even hit the bathroom every now and then. But then wouldn't these aspects be part of a full-blown space simulation game, as monotonous as they are in real life?
They *want* to, and they're taking the first steps in that direction. There have been a number of things in the way, off the top of my head: 1. Ambulation / WiS in general -- even with MODERN gaming rigs, the CQ was melting things down with ONE toon in ONE prison cell. It's gotten better over the last few months (I can turn it on now without getting the "OMFG, ****'s melting!" alarms ... granted with only low/mid settings)
2. Microsoft -- dumbass company wouldn't let CCP run DUST on TQ (and other nonsense), which forced said game to become PS3 exclusive.
3. Technology in general (see: melted gfx cards on Incarna release, etc).
4. Sony -- people have their knickers in a twist that DUST is a PS3 exclusive ... also, Sony is just evil (now, if they get one of those Kevin Butler commercials for DUST ... well, maybe ever so slightly less evil).
So, as of right now today, CCP has gotten past some of the hurdles, and caused a few new ones (biggest one being the rollout of WiS/Incarna pissed off a lot of people). We're seeing the first real fruits of their labour over DUST (beta! yay! now, i just need a code ... pretty please, CCP?).
WiS will be/has been backburnered for a while, until they fix some of the FiS stuff that's been neglected. I imagine that some things will be thrown in with the expansion in 5-6 months ... but it's going to be low key -- on the lines of " we have all this ~awesome~ FiS stuff that has been fixed, and V3'd, and balanced ... and oh yeah, we sorted WiS a bit, so you can have corp offices with up to 50 people inside at once". |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
95
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Posted - 2011.12.25 16:19:00 -
[1898] - Quote
When I came back I was hugely disappointed with Captain's Quarters, but I still have high hopes for WiS in general.
As the point of interaction between EvE and DUST players, WiS is very promising. A lot of non-FiS stuff (gambling, customizable quarters, etc) could be built out of that once the core is in place.
Also some microtransaction-based customization options are OK, but a lot of it should be loot-based as well. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
Devil's Call
Perkone Caldari State
744
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Posted - 2011.12.25 16:23:00 -
[1899] - Quote
This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...? If so, they might as well remove the captains quarters and the NeX store and stuff. But I don't think that CCP will stop working on WiS, if anything, they're working harder on getting it into the game because those Captains Quarters alone are kind of a joke. ;-) |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.25 16:27:00 -
[1900] - Quote
Devil's Call wrote:This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?
Well you know how it is. Nothing is finite. Saying they will not do this at any given time is development suicide. And if the time comes PR suicide too.
In other words.. Most of the people waits for "definitive maybe". |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:11:00 -
[1901] - Quote
CCP!!!
How many pages does it take???!!!
Issler |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:11:00 -
[1902] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Devil's Call wrote:This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?
Well you know how it is. Nothing is finite. Saying they will not do this at any given time is development suicide. And if the time comes PR suicide too. In other words.. Most of the people waits for "definitive maybe".
silence is a bad PR too I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:04:00 -
[1903] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:CCP!!!
How many pages does it take???!!!
Issler This is what you want Eve to become?.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:04:00 -
[1904] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Devil's Call wrote:This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?
Well you know how it is. Nothing is finite. Saying they will not do this at any given time is development suicide. And if the time comes PR suicide too. In other words.. Most of the people waits for "definitive maybe". silence is a bad PR too They haven't been silent. CCP has answered the question but some people didn't like the answer.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:21:00 -
[1905] - Quote
CCP? throw us a word here, please? |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.12.26 12:23:00 -
[1906] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:CCP? throw us a word here, please?
a bone, it's throw us a bone :P |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.26 14:46:00 -
[1907] - Quote
J3ssica Alba wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:CCP? throw us a word here, please? a bone, it's throw us a bone :P
throw us something I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.26 14:52:00 -
[1908] - Quote
all this unseemly begging, it's like petitions, making a big deal on the forums will not help one bit One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.26 14:57:00 -
[1909] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:all this unseemly begging, it's like petitions, making a big deal on the forums will not help one bit
CCP just likes to know we care.
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.26 15:43:00 -
[1910] - Quote
Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.26 16:05:00 -
[1911] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation.
ccp: they are freaking out lets abandon WIS and give them FIS we are already working 18 months on it ,but tell them 6 weeks players : ??????? ccp: **** they still want WIS ,but we just sacked the team for it,and they don,t believe the 6 week fairytale? players:???????? ccp:lets keep silent and hide I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.27 04:31:00 -
[1912] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation.
Well stated
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:09:00 -
[1913] - Quote
They have already given you the only answer you're going to get..." on the back burner and maybe re-visited some time in the future "......deal with it.
Kuronaga wrote:Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation.
CCP understand perfectly well....that the majority of players want FiS over WiS.......they now understand that neglecting FiS can seriously hurt the game....whereas WiS seems to be nothing more than a few drama queens who are not willing to do anything more than have a little cry on the forums.
Ive said before, if you feel so strongly, quit and tell CCP why you are quitting...or organise a protest to show your displeasure....but my guess is that you wont do jack sh*t. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:33:00 -
[1914] - Quote
robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest
Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts...
That'll show em who the drama queens are.
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:38:00 -
[1915] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are.
Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:43:00 -
[1916] - Quote
robbyx wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are. Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum.
Maybe we can unsub and come slinkin back later after CCP has laid off some more people then let the CSM take all the credit for effecting change.
That seems like the mature thing to do, rather than make a few complaints in a single forum thread which WiS haters still can't stay away from. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:56:00 -
[1917] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are. Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum. Maybe we can unsub and come slinkin back later after CCP has laid off some more people then let the CSM take all the credit for effecting change. That seems like the mature thing to do, rather than make a few complaints in a single forum thread which WiS haters still can't stay away from.
You know, focusing on FiS never made players to unsub and CCP never had to lay off people because of FiS. It was focusing on WiS that did that. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:56:00 -
[1918] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are. Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum. Maybe we can unsub and come slinkin back later after CCP has laid off some more people then let the CSM take all the credit for effecting change. That seems like the mature thing to do, rather than make a few complaints in a single forum thread which WiS haters still can't stay away from.
Anyone with even half a brain knows it was the unsubbing players who effected the most change.....and we didnt come slinkin back, we came back proudly victorious...im actually pretty proud of myself that i denied myself the game and was prepared to quit permanently to stop, at least in this game, the ridiculous notion MMO producers seem to have gotten into their heads that what players want doesnt matter.
As for this thread...truth be told i cant stay away...its like American idol auditions...you know they are gonna fail, you know they arent going anywhere, but its damn hilarious watching them try. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.27 11:12:00 -
[1919] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation. oh do tell more One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2011.12.27 11:49:00 -
[1920] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are. Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum. Maybe we can unsub and come slinkin back later after CCP has laid off some more people then let the CSM take all the credit for effecting change. That seems like the mature thing to do, rather than make a few complaints in a single forum thread which WiS haters still can't stay away from. You know, focusing on FiS never made players to unsub and CCP never had to lay off people because of FiS. It was focusing on WiS that did that.
If you say that, then you don't know what really happened this summer.
A hint: it wasn't the focusing on WiS. |
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TheBig Bukowsky
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.12.27 12:01:00 -
[1921] - Quote
robbyx wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are. Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum.
The difference between Crying and Protest is clearly robbyx's beliefs. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.27 12:04:00 -
[1922] - Quote
guess what their focus is now FIS ? no WIS? no Consolecrap? yes I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2011.12.27 12:46:00 -
[1923] - Quote
To all anti WiS ppl:
When you organize protests and ppl un-sub because WiS then you can say that ppl don't want WiS.
Now you only look stupid and only show that you dont understand what happened this summer.
HINT: protests and un-subbing was because of "golden ammo leak". |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.12.27 14:00:00 -
[1924] - Quote
It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.12.27 14:06:00 -
[1925] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues.
That has already been done and it sent a clear message to CCP, making the game they want to make and so they are. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.27 16:02:00 -
[1926] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues.
well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
18
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Posted - 2011.12.27 16:16:00 -
[1927] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS
OK now go and dress up sheesh someone kill this thread already. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.27 16:49:00 -
[1928] - Quote
Dors Venabily wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS OK now go and dress up sheesh someone kill this thread already.
You are not very smart, are you ?
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Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
18
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Posted - 2011.12.27 17:00:00 -
[1929] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Dors Venabily wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS OK now go and dress up sheesh someone kill this thread already. You are not very smart, are you ?
Actually I am probably much smarter than most of the people posting in this thread supporting the WIS even though there has been hundreds of pages of reasons listed for why CCP did what it did.
Be it from the business, technical, corporate restructuring or customer point of view.
Anyone with half a brain cell should have known that by page 10 of this thread.
The fact that people still go on, even though there is a clear line of reasoning against this from all of the perspectives I can think of, is truly beyond me.
Hence the short and pretty much summary answer in my previous post sir.
Does this more detailed answer satisfy you ?
edit : wanted to go on but ... |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.27 17:13:00 -
[1930] - Quote
well there is clear line of reasoning against eating red meat.. Still some people like it.. Western modern life is not the best from business/technical/corporate restructuring or customer point of view either.
And if you know what was the original plan and the fact that it was indeed supported by people "who takes this more seriously then just another game".
And the fact that you want this thread to die and still bumping it up .. well go figure. CCP is just afraid, rightfully so, because their nah saying customers acts like spoiled brats. What happened to Fearless CCP with their vision and if you dont like GTFO policy ? |
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1422
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Posted - 2011.12.27 17:26:00 -
[1931] - Quote
Congratulations on this huge Thread.
Also: Congratulations to everybody who still denies reality. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
17
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Posted - 2011.12.27 17:39:00 -
[1932] - Quote
I don't care what pro WiS and anti WiS people argue.
I got mad as hell about Greed is Good? and the terrible failures that came with it. I got mad as hell about the communication between CCP and Us and the lol deveblogs I got mad as hell as Mr. Smarrtas*s thought ship spinning is obsolete now that they have minmatar C.Q.. And "The Door"
I was confused about the horse armor, the prices aren't the problem, i just expected something different. Expectation management in general is poor from ccp side so nothing new there but they did top themselves in some regards.
But i do and have allays wished for the iteration of WiS. Its the next big step, a very hot topic but it must come , its integration is to be dealt with high caution and it should be discussed with the community ahead of time + ++ + PLUS ++-¦+ when some devs claim the community likes or dislikes something , they should for good sake reefer to whom gave them that impression, we all have seen it before, a thousand page rage thread and ccp seas we love it cos two anonymous forum troll alts said they like it.
Anyways i do belief CCP have evolved and are on the right path now, i hope that path will lead to better FiS and some WIS before i die of old age. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2011.12.27 17:50:00 -
[1933] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues.
After everything that happened this sounds literally imbecilic (actually it's ret_arded, but that word is sensored by these ret_arded forums).
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.27 18:04:00 -
[1934] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Congratulations on this huge Thread.
Also: Congratulations to everybody who still denies reality.
what is reality ? can you deny something you are not able to understand due to being an living creature ? |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.27 18:06:00 -
[1935] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are. Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum. Maybe we can unsub and come slinkin back later after CCP has laid off some more people then let the CSM take all the credit for effecting change. That seems like the mature thing to do, rather than make a few complaints in a single forum thread which WiS haters still can't stay away from. You know, focusing on FiS never made players to unsub and CCP never had to lay off people because of FiS. It was focusing on WiS that did that.
One room, a poorly optimized engine, and a microtransaction barbie store was not focus. It was incompetence of the highest degree. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.27 18:09:00 -
[1936] - Quote
I dont like NEX they selling nothing for too much..
But
they will sell 100mil SP soon for aur and and titans and polaris firgates and t20 modules through aur
RAAAGGGEEEEE .. Unsubb.. sounds reasonable..
Ah they focusing on FiS again.. awesome
I hate WiS .. well interesting history if you are an patient in some mental health sanatorium.. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.27 18:27:00 -
[1937] - Quote
robbyx wrote:They have already given you the only answer you're going to get..." on the back burner and maybe re-visited some time in the future "......deal with it. Kuronaga wrote:Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation. CCP understand perfectly well....that the majority of players want FiS over WiS.......they now understand that neglecting FiS can seriously hurt the game....whereas WiS seems to be nothing more than a few drama queens who are not willing to do anything more than have a little cry on the forums. Ive said before, if you feel so strongly, quit and tell CCP why you are quitting...or organise a protest to show your displeasure....but my guess is that you wont do jack sh*t.
indeed lets make sure that CCP do another panic change of direction again But thats what we don,t want to happen. You only FIS morons seem to forget we like the FISpart of this game We only want WIS added in a way FIS isn,t neglected People protesting at the summerrage ,just said stop this or we go!! But we don,t want CCP head into another direction again,just some love from a small crew devoted to WIS and all we want to know if it is possible
it is no use for protest ,bc we don,t demand something,we are only asking for info I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.27 20:16:00 -
[1938] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Congratulations on this huge Thread.
Also: Congratulations to everybody who still denies reality. If you removed all of the people trolling the barbie fetishists the thread would be two pages long.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
465
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Posted - 2011.12.27 21:03:00 -
[1939] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS
People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.12.27 23:17:00 -
[1940] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people. And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap. I am still predicting that DUST will not only make CCP more money but will also draw in more players to play EvE making them even more money. Same thing would have happened if WiS was completed. I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it. I still like Crucible and everything it has brought us in new ships and content but completing WiS should not be dismissed by CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.27 23:48:00 -
[1941] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap.
Statements like that is why you and others get referred to as "Space-Barbie dressup people".
I'd hardly call people quitting after CCP mostly abandoned FIS for 2 years after ignoring 8 years worth of bugged/unfinished features to work on 2 other games "petty". Especially when it was leaked that they really didn't give a crap what we thought, because we'd just keep paying them. CCP literally dared players to vote with their wallets and that is exactly what a lot of players did.
"..this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. " -Hilmar Petursson Thu, 23 Jun 2011
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it.
You'd lose that bet because the technology just isn't there right now to do this properly, i.e. the way people like you are expecting it to work. Hilmar himself has had to concede this to the CSM recently.
CSM 6 Dec Summit Report
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later.
They have already stated it's not abandoned, you do know what being placed on the "backburner" means correct?
If any players really think CCP is ignoring you or that WIS has been abandoned, you should unsub now. They aren't going to say a thing about WIS until fanfest, so sticking your fingers in your ears and stamping your feet demanding answers just makes you all look ignorant and immature. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
465
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Posted - 2011.12.27 23:52:00 -
[1942] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:MotherMoon wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people. And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap. I am still predicting that DUST will not only make CCP more money but will also draw in more players to play EvE making them even more money. Same thing would have happened if WiS was completed. I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it. I still like Crucible and everything it has brought us in new ships and content but completing WiS should not be dismissed by CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later.
yeah but even the WiS lovers like me quit over that terrible expansion.
also to guy above, they only put people on WiS for 6 months. The lack of good FiS features had nothing to do with WiS devoplment. Think about it. They were just being bad. All those other FiS only expansion that came out, while ignoring the playerbase was to blame. Incarna was just the tipping point |
Soma Khan
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2011.12.27 23:53:00 -
[1943] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:MotherMoon wrote: People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people.
And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap. I am still predicting that DUST will not only make CCP more money but will also draw in more players to play EvE making them even more money. Same thing would have happened if WiS was completed. I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it. I still like Crucible and everything it has brought us in new ships and content but completing WiS should not be dismissed by CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later. man your absolutely right if ccp was able to make great wis content more ppl would come and join and then if wis was better than wow ppl would quit wow and join eve and then if dust was great ppl would quit xbox and halo and come and join eve and if ccp made great wod and vampires ppl would come and join eve and more subs would make more moneys for ccp and ccp would make more wis contend so we can plays with our avatars and cool stuff like that cause we know that wis content will be great. you are totally the only smart person posting in this thread cause like you know exactly what would happen if other stuff was to happen as a result of some other cool stuff happening. really |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.27 23:54:00 -
[1944] - Quote
Double post. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
407
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Posted - 2011.12.28 00:03:00 -
[1945] - Quote
Please let this thread die.
That is all.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.28 00:09:00 -
[1946] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:MotherMoon wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people. And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap. I am still predicting that DUST will not only make CCP more money but will also draw in more players to play EvE making them even more money. Same thing would have happened if WiS was completed. I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it. I still like Crucible and everything it has brought us in new ships and content but completing WiS should not be dismissed by CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later. yeah but even the WiS lovers like me quit over that terrible expansion. also to guy above, they only put people on WiS for 6 months. The lack of good FiS features had nothing to do with WiS devoplment. Think about it. They were just being bad. All those other FiS only expansion that came out, while ignoring the playerbase was to blame. Incarna was just the tipping point
They'd been working on WIS for 4+ years, while all the time diverting resources to 2 other games using EVE as their golden goose to pay for it all. I do agree Incarna was the tipping point for a lot of reasons notwithstanding how absolutely terrible it was, and all CCP could offer-up was how "awesome" they are while claiming we were all just misunderstanding their intent.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.12.28 01:05:00 -
[1947] - Quote
Soma Khan wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:MotherMoon wrote: People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people.
And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap. I am still predicting that DUST will not only make CCP more money but will also draw in more players to play EvE making them even more money. Same thing would have happened if WiS was completed. I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it. I still like Crucible and everything it has brought us in new ships and content but completing WiS should not be dismissed by CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later. man your absolutely right if ccp was able to make great wis content more ppl would come and join and then if wis was better than wow ppl would quit wow and join eve and then if dust was great ppl would quit xbox and halo and come and join eve and if ccp made great wod and vampires ppl would come and join eve and more subs would make more moneys for ccp and ccp would make more wis contend so we can plays with our avatars and cool stuff like that cause we know that wis content will be great. you are totally the only smart person posting in this thread cause like you know exactly what would happen if other stuff was to happen as a result of some other cool stuff happening. really
It is obvious that you have no clue as to why most people DON'T play EvE and why WiS would bridge that gap and open EvE up to a much much larger audience than just the hardcore PvP players.
Also...CCP hardly abandoned FiS for 2 years. There was plenty of content added in for FiS. If you don't agree it is only because you didn't like what content was brought in. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.28 01:12:00 -
[1948] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Also...CCP hardly abandoned FiS for 2 years. There was plenty of content added in for FiS. If you don't agree it is only because you didn't like what content was brought in.
I guess you missed the whole :18 months: debacle because you were too busy making plans to play an expansion that never arrived.
Also, "mostly abandoned" != "abandoned". The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Soma Khan
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2011.12.28 01:49:00 -
[1949] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
It is obvious that you have no clue as to why most people DON'T play EvE and why WiS would bridge that gap and open EvE up to a much much larger audience than just the hardcore PvP players.
because eve is a niche open pvp game about spaceships? incidentally, this is why i play it, and this is why that "larger audience" doesn't. and no amount of barbie-dressup bolt-ons will ever change that, unless it does so at the expense of the main game, i.e. 'fis' |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.28 02:18:00 -
[1950] - Quote
Soma Khan wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
It is obvious that you have no clue as to why most people DON'T play EvE and why WiS would bridge that gap and open EvE up to a much much larger audience than just the hardcore PvP players.
because eve is a niche open pvp game about spaceships? incidentally, this is why i play it, and this is why that "larger audience" doesn't. and no amount of barbie-dressup bolt-ons will ever change that, unless it does so at the expense of the main game, i.e. 'fis'
Sad Panda, Eve is a SciFi sandbox game, not a FiS PvP game (although that is a major element). That you are incapable of seeing how delivering on the long standing promise that CCP made us when they launched of Eve would finally take Eve to "mainstream" is sad for you.
Your FiS only bias will be the death of Eve. CCP will someday realize that there is only so much isks you can squeeze out of the remaining bitter vet statue shooters and find a new more profitable shiny to apply their dev resources to. It's called lost opportunity costs.
CCP will someday realize they lose money keeping a nitch game alive when the resources could produce a game with broader appeal. The shouty minority FiS only types have scared CCP away from their chance to make Eve more than it is today.
Issler |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.28 08:04:00 -
[1951] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Soma Khan wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
It is obvious that you have no clue as to why most people DON'T play EvE and why WiS would bridge that gap and open EvE up to a much much larger audience than just the hardcore PvP players.
because eve is a niche open pvp game about spaceships? incidentally, this is why i play it, and this is why that "larger audience" doesn't. and no amount of barbie-dressup bolt-ons will ever change that, unless it does so at the expense of the main game, i.e. 'fis' Sad Panda, Eve is a SciFi sandbox game, not a FiS PvP game (although that is a major element). That you are incapable of seeing how delivering on the long standing promise that CCP made us when they launched of Eve would finally take Eve to "mainstream" is sad for you. Your FiS only bias will be the death of Eve. CCP will someday realize that there is only so much isks you can squeeze out of the remaining bitter vet statue shooters and find a new more profitable shiny to apply their dev resources to. It's called lost opportunity costs. CCP will someday realize they lose money keeping a nitch game alive when the resources could produce a game with broader appeal. The shouty minority FiS only types have scared CCP away from their chance to make Eve more than it is today. Issler
do you know what is keeping eve alive? the sandbox gameplay, the lion-king circle of life of the economic ecosphere, the creation and destruction of all things buildable and destructible. what product would come out of your barbie dress-up o7m8 /emoting? nothing. and where does wis fit in eve? nowhere and why don't you show ccp the horrible consequences by unsubbing right now and see how many accounts follow see if you can make hillmar apologize again
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.28 09:07:00 -
[1952] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote: I guess you missed the whole :18 months: debacle because you were too busy making plans to play an expansion that never arrived.
That sure was a pretty stale 18 months. Only four free expansions.
http://www.eveonline.com/dominion/features.html
http://www.eveonline.com/tyrannis/default.asp
http://www.eveonline.com/en/incursion/features
http://www.eveonline.com/en/incarna/features
Shame they all focused on WiS.
Why you not change our sandbox for us CCP???
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.28 09:08:00 -
[1953] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Please let this thread die.
That is all. Actually it serves a valuable service. It keeps all the space barbie roleplayers contained in one horrible thread.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.28 09:09:00 -
[1954] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Actually it serves a valuable service. It keeps all the space barbie roleplayers contained in one horrible thread.
And here you are...
See, I've figured you out. You're actually pro WiS and would like nothing more than to stand in front of a mirror trying on dresses all day. The only problem is the conflict with your hardcore sociopathic goon sentimentalities.
All you can do is keep bumping this thread and keeping it alive for us. We appreciate your efforts. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.28 09:17:00 -
[1955] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:All you can do is keep bumping this thread and keeping it alive for us. We appreciate your efforts. Well I'm glad somebody finally appreciates my efforts in keeping the community informed about the evils of roleplaying. Your kind words have inspired me to Never Stop Posting. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.28 09:19:00 -
[1956] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Soma Khan wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
It is obvious that you have no clue as to why most people DON'T play EvE and why WiS would bridge that gap and open EvE up to a much much larger audience than just the hardcore PvP players.
because eve is a niche open pvp game about spaceships? incidentally, this is why i play it, and this is why that "larger audience" doesn't. and no amount of barbie-dressup bolt-ons will ever change that, unless it does so at the expense of the main game, i.e. 'fis' Sad Panda, Eve is a SciFi sandbox game, not a FiS PvP game (although that is a major element). That you are incapable of seeing how delivering on the long standing promise that CCP made us when they launched of Eve would finally take Eve to "mainstream" is sad for you. Your FiS only bias will be the death of Eve. CCP will someday realize that there is only so much isks you can squeeze out of the remaining bitter vet statue shooters and find a new more profitable shiny to apply their dev resources to. It's called lost opportunity costs. CCP will someday realize they lose money keeping a nitch game alive when the resources could produce a game with broader appeal. The shouty minority FiS only types have scared CCP away from their chance to make Eve more than it is today. Issler do you know what is keeping eve alive? the sandbox gameplay, the lion-king circle of life of the economic ecosphere, the creation and destruction of all things buildable and destructible. what product would come out of your barbie dress-up o7m8 /emoting? nothing. and where does wis fit in eve? nowhere and why don't you show ccp the horrible consequences by unsubbing right now and see how many accounts follow see if you can make hillmar apologize again
I don't generally respond to someone so limited as to lead with space barbie, but thanks for the bump.
All I can say is what about SciFi space simulator game which is what CCP describes Eve as do you not understand? Stop posting and go back to killing Eve with you limited nitch game vision of Eve.
Issler
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Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.28 09:23:00 -
[1957] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: Well I'm glad somebody finally appreciates my efforts in keeping the community informed about the evils of roleplaying. Your kind words have inspired me to Never Stop Posting.
And yet you don't inform them of anything or supply them with any solid arguments against WiS. You may as well be one of our alts created for the purpose of bringing attention to this thread.
It's okay Ladie. There's sure to be a peer pressure support group in your local area. You can stop toeing the company line. Now run along to character creator and turn that frown upside down.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.28 09:26:00 -
[1958] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Please let this thread die.
That is all.
thank you for keeping it alive I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.28 09:27:00 -
[1959] - Quote
Anyone know what the record thread size is?
Wondering where this one rates.
This has to be close to the record for major thread specifically asking for CCP to respond without a response.
Issler |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.28 09:27:00 -
[1960] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:And yet you don't inform them of anything or supply them with any solid arguments against WiS. Luckily for me (and the rest of the actual Eve community) CCP took care of that. We saw all the arguments against WiS we could ever need when Incarna was released.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.28 09:28:00 -
[1961] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Anyone know what the record thread size is?
Wondering where this one rates.
This has to be close to the record for major thread specifically asking for CCP to respond without a response.
Issler The have responded...multiple times and in multiple locations. You just don't like the answer. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2011.12.28 09:28:00 -
[1962] - Quote
no problemo op, help me help you more doom and gloom and consequences pls if barbie don't get his beach house One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.28 09:32:00 -
[1963] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Anyone know what the record thread size is?
Wondering where this one rates.
This has to be close to the record for major thread specifically asking for CCP to respond without a response.
Issler The have responded...multiple times and in multiple locations. You just don't like the answer.
well,let them respond again in this location,even if we don,t like what they say I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.28 09:34:00 -
[1964] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:no problemo op, help me help you more doom and gloom and consequences pls if barbie don't get his beach house Don't knock Barbie's beach house...at least it doesn't come saddled with an RMT store.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.28 09:35:00 -
[1965] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:well,let them respond again in this location,even if we don,t like what they say Do you see the little blue flag that says "DEV" on it when you see this thread in the list of topics? That means a dev has replied to it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2011.12.28 09:44:00 -
[1966] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:All you can do is keep bumping this thread and keeping it alive for us. We appreciate your efforts. Well I'm glad somebody finally appreciates my efforts in keeping the community informed about the evils of roleplaying. Your kind words have inspired me to Never Stop Posting.
From the EvE-Online FAQs ( http://www.eveonline.com/faq/faq_01.asp )
Quote:What is EVE Online?
EVE is a Massively Multiplayer Online Game (MMORPG) that takes place approximately 20.000 years after our times in a galaxy on the far end of the universe. [...]
See what it says there? MMORPG. Massively Multiplayer Online ROLEPLAYING Game. EvE is an RPG by CCP's own definition. If you consider roleplaying evil you better stop playing at once. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2011.12.28 10:03:00 -
[1967] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: do you know what is keeping eve alive? the sandbox gameplay, the lion-king circle of life of the economic ecosphere, the creation and destruction of all things buildable and destructible. what product would come out of your barbie dress-up o7m8 /emoting? nothing. and where does wis fit in eve? nowhere
You are right. Because of that we are discussing a WiS that is more than just some walkiing around and emoting. Social interaction is great and I would like that but in the end there has to be more to WiS. As I already said (but you don't seem to read): WiS and FiS can benefit and add to each other, if done right. But I really appreciate that you finally admit that creation is part of the game . Without creation there is nothing to blow up, without blowing up there is no need of creation, without social interaction the game would be a dead shell. You Goons should know better because you are very involved with social interaction .
Ladie Harlot wrote:Well I'm glad somebody finally appreciates my efforts in keeping the community informed about the evils of roleplaying. Your kind words have inspired me to Never Stop Posting. I think you Goons are the most interesting roleplayers around here. Trolling the whole community most of the time is a really great achievement . You are great at roleplaying jerks and morons (no offense meant at all, I'm sure most you are are cool guys). I think EVE would be boring without you.
That is your part in the whole social interaction thingy.
A game like EVE is full of people with more or less real or roleplayed emotions. As a (harsh) sandbox EVE is more or less dependend on the social interaction between its players. Offending the wrong people can cause a war in New Eden, having the right friends can get you in a position of power or give you protection etc. pp. EVE is social interaction at its essence. The spaceships are just some "nerdy" visualisation of that (a cool one, I might add ). The point I'm trying to make is this: anything that can help to make social interaction more interesting, more engaging and more meaningful adds to the overall experiance that is EVE. Can WiS actually achieve that? I believe so. It has a good chance to do so. And it could do far more than just add to the social interaction.
I know that now isn't the time to put a majority of CCP devs back to WiS/WoD, they are far better off doing one or two great expansions and polish EVE how it should have been done years ago. Even if many of us WiS supporters would like to have all those nice establishments and features by tomorrow, we have to accept the fact that at the moment it just isn't possible. There are far more urgent things that have to be polished, iterated and revamped. It would be great if WiS could have a future at all, that's all I am asking for. But I'm also aware that it is propably better for CCP to sweep WiS under the carpet for the moment with all those bitter vets lurking around every corner .
So, let's be reasonable. Hopefully we will get some new infos about the future of WiS during the next FanFest or (more likely) later the coming year. I'm fine with that so far and let's be honest: WiS isn't the thing that keeps us playing EVE, is it?
I think I have said everything I have to say about that. Have fun posting . |
svetlana
Constellation Guard
26
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:01:00 -
[1968] - Quote
I want more Walking In Stations. . . combined with Shooting People in Face In Stations, then stuff like run from concord cops, base jump off a corridor down into the core of the station to escape, change clothes, sneak back up to bar, watch cops run around, steal cop uniform, infiltrate concord office, steal concord cruiser, FIS, etc. ala AssassinsCreed in space station.
Fill the station with npc avatars to make it feel occupied, if technology allows, I would be very impressed if the game could support this many characters at once at this quality.
At a minimum I have just sat around in 'stations' chatting with friends for hours and was entertained [particularly in PhantasyStarOnline], but atm we cannot even do that.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.28 13:48:00 -
[1969] - Quote
svetlana wrote:I want more Walking In Stations. . . combined with Shooting People in Face In Stations, then stuff like run from concord cops, base jump off a corridor down into the core of the station to escape, change clothes, sneak back up to bar, watch cops run around, steal cop uniform, infiltrate concord office, steal concord cruiser, FIS, etc. ala AssassinsCreed in space station.
Fill the station with npc avatars to make it feel occupied, if technology allows, I would be very impressed if the game could support this many characters at once at this quality.
At a minimum I have just sat around in 'stations' chatting with friends for hours and was entertained [particularly in PhantasyStarOnline], but atm we cannot even do that.
PhantasyStarOnline One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2011.12.28 14:05:00 -
[1970] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:well,let them respond again in this location,even if we don,t like what they say Do you see the little blue flag that says "DEV" on it when you see this thread in the list of topics? That means a dev has replied to it.
Yes, CCP Phantom, page 12, to moderate and tell us that Crucible included 3 CQs. Not exactly news and quite not what this thread is about, is it? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.28 15:10:00 -
[1971] - Quote
One might use the old moderator shoehorn tactic.
That is, cause so many EULA violations that the thread has to be cleaned up, and thus forces someone on staff to acknowledge its existence. They would be scared to leave it at that, though, because simply copy/pasting a response on a thread that has obviously garnered so much attention and negativity only ends up multiplying that negativity and customer discontent -- something CCP does not want right now.
One must be careful though -- just enough EULA violating and the thread is cleaned up with the desired result. Too much, and they will just lock it and everyone would be forced to start over again, thus losing all momentum previously gained.
Of course, I, Kuronaga, would never condone such an underhanded, anarchy inspiring tactic. In fact, anyone who did would most certainly be suspended -- and deservedly so! I mean really, who would go out of there way to make more work for the good moderators of this forum?
That said, if someone actually did attempt this I would laugh my ass off. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2011.12.28 15:21:00 -
[1972] - Quote
really? god damn it i helped build this thread too! One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.28 18:00:00 -
[1973] - Quote
All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.28 18:03:00 -
[1974] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.
Is it the one with NeX **** is too expensive non issue But they gonna sell SP for AUR and polaris frigates and echelions and t20 mods for AUR RaGe Lets go shoot an statue ? Best posts in there are the one with ponies.. i payed good ISK to get them in there.
And yes INCARNA was failure from both perspectives.. WiS as well as FiS ..it was failure of EVE.
Also source of the claim that CCP Pann has been fired ?? |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:59:00 -
[1975] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.
They had to fire people because they hired too many damn people to begin with. That was entirely their own fault.
If WoD was never a factor at all, WiS would have had a beefy staff and FiS would have had a beefy staff. They wouldn't have had to overhire and would be doing more cool stuff to generate actual income instead of theory bucks. Dust would be exactly the same since its being made by the chinese and they get paid like 5 cents an hour (this is why they didnt fire anyone from that team). Everything would be getting done correctly.
WoD is most likely vaporware and even if it does launch in 10 years it will probably die a horrible, nonprofitable death like age of conan. When Dust is launched they will be able to re-locate many of the chinese devs to WiS, and if they are intelligent enough to cancel sparkly vampires online we will get a lot of those devs too.
So it's not entirely hopeless, but more of waiting game for them to realize what everyone else already has. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.29 00:46:00 -
[1976] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.
Bunch of P2W nonsense.
CCP Pann probably just gtfo after being accused of fabricating a family emergency by the raging people she was trying to communicate with. |
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
44
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Posted - 2011.12.29 00:57:00 -
[1977] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.
This thread and the raging over incarna wasnt about WiS being a bad thing in general and you know that very well.
It was about bad communication, broken promises, hellish performance and a NeX store that was WAY to expansive. Btw yep it still is WAY too expansive, but they gave away sooo MUCH free Aurum that you barely notice it.
So CCP, do something with WiS. Make it the cool feature everyone was waiting for. And get us some new clothes, damn it! :) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.29 02:00:00 -
[1978] - Quote
the price of aurem is well-justified if you want to play barbie dress up you should be punished and suffer somebody gots to pay for that crap
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 04:00:00 -
[1979] - Quote
Zevina wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS. This thread and the raging over incarna wasnt about WiS being a bad thing in general and you know that very well. It was about bad communication, broken promises, hellish performance and a NeX store that was WAY to expansive. Btw yep it still is WAY too expansive, but they gave away sooo MUCH free Aurum that you barely notice it. So CCP, do something with WiS. Make it the cool feature everyone was waiting for. And get us some new clothes, damn it! :) The Nex store, aurum and microtransactions are all tied to WiS. Over 400 pages of an almost completely unified playerbase sent the message that we don't want real Eve content to take a back seat to roleplaying nonsense. This thread, like I have said before, is a small handful of misguided people and their alts arguing for CCP to go back to destroying their game and they only account for a fraction of the posts in a 90 page thread.
The community has spoken and CCP has responded. Stop trying to reverse the positive direction the game is currently taking.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:38:00 -
[1980] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: The Nex store, aurum and microtransactions are all tied to WiS. Over 400 pages of an almost completely unified playerbase sent the message that we don't want real Eve content to take a back seat to roleplaying nonsense. This thread, like I have said before, is a small handful of misguided people and their alts arguing for CCP to go back to destroying their game and they only account for a fraction of the posts in a 90 page thread.
The community has spoken and CCP has responded. Stop trying to reverse the positive direction the game is currently taking.
I see you forgot to mention WoD there.
Convenient.
WiS, by-product of WoD.
NeX, modified LP-store.
Guess where the development resources went.... |
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Beaches
28
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:45:00 -
[1981] - Quote
Most people want WiS, why would you be against an expansion to the EVE universe? You'd have to be a goon attempting to troll while simultaneously being counter productive or something equally as bland and stupid. The implementation of Incarna was horrible, I quit for a while because of it, among other things. I didn't shoot a statue like some sort of dunce though.
WiS will be great and I hope they come out with it sooner rather than later, we've been waiting a long time.
Consider this a bump. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.29 05:26:00 -
[1982] - Quote
Most people don't want WiS, why would you be for an useless expansion to the EVE universe? You'd have to be a barbie lover attempting to troll while simultaneously being counter productive or something equally as bland and stupid. The implementation of Incarna was horrible, I have cq turned off. I didn't shoot a statue like some sort of dunce though.
WiS is **** and *will always be **** and I hope they complete the abortion already we've been waiting a long time.
Consider this a bump. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.29 06:34:00 -
[1983] - Quote
Beaches wrote:Most people want WiS, No matter how many times you say this it's never going to be true.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 06:36:00 -
[1984] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Beaches wrote:Most people want WiS, No matter how many times you say this it's never going to be true.
Most people playing EVE dont care either way. As long as general gameplay is kept interesting. Altho most people playing EVE doing lvl IV missions *cough* so its kind of interesting on itself. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.29 06:54:00 -
[1985] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Most people don't want WiS
No matter how many times you say this it's never going to be true.
Most people couldn't care either way so long as WiS doesn't affect FiS to the same extent that WoD did. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 07:27:00 -
[1986] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Zevina wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS. This thread and the raging over incarna wasnt about WiS being a bad thing in general and you know that very well. It was about bad communication, broken promises, hellish performance and a NeX store that was WAY to expansive. Btw yep it still is WAY too expansive, but they gave away sooo MUCH free Aurum that you barely notice it. So CCP, do something with WiS. Make it the cool feature everyone was waiting for. And get us some new clothes, damn it! :) The Nex store, aurum and microtransactions are all tied to WiS. Over 400 pages of an almost completely unified playerbase sent the message that we don't want real Eve content to take a back seat to roleplaying nonsense. This thread, like I have said before, is a small handful of misguided people and their alts arguing for CCP to go back to destroying their game and they only account for a fraction of the posts in a 90 page thread. The community has spoken and CCP has responded. Stop trying to reverse the positive direction the game is currently taking.
I can't believe this thread is still active.
Probably due to a small handful of misguided people and their alts, like Lady Harlot who constantly post negative replies about how WiS is destroying their game, which accounts for a percentage of the posts within this thread.
CCP would rather not think about the summer of 2011. Right now CCP is busy placating it's children. Tis the Winter of our Discontent..
Thanks for keeping the thread alive.
By the way, I don't know why you keep mistaking WiS for Incarna. Your first sentence is incorrect. It should have been: The Nex store, aurum, microtransactions and WiS are all tied to Incarna.
Should also included DUST514 and WoD projects since those were the main focus. Incarna was placed behind DUST514 and WoD in development time allotment. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.29 07:28:00 -
[1987] - Quote
as a person of high moral fiber, i take offense at the op's rancorous calling out on ccp staff, calling them shameless, cowardly, along with an assortment of fist shaking, mark my words and other unseemly begging so i am here to rebuke you lot, for whining over something so frivolous as the ability to /emote with an avatar, the term space barbies dressup is not derogatory, it is a description, what else would you call it. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Dante Kesel
Iron Preists Of the Imperium Ark of the Covenant
6
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Posted - 2011.12.29 08:43:00 -
[1988] - Quote
Personally seeing the fanfest video where WiS was shown is what got me into eve, well that and the EvE Hell Video. But I digress the WiS is a good idea and something that should be added slowly and carefully to avoid bugs (Overheating Video Card) but at the same time fixing what needs to be fixed. Going to a bar at a station or going to a Corporate office in station for a meeting is something that I would love to see in EvE maybe not this summer maybe not the next but as long as they their working on it I'll be happy and hoping for the next dev blog mentioning it. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 09:27:00 -
[1989] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:as a person of high moral fiber, i take offense at the op's rancorous calling out on ccp staff, calling them shameless, cowardly, along with an assortment of fist shaking, mark my words and other unseemly begging so i am here to rebuke you lot, for whining over something so frivolous as the ability to /emote with an avatar, the term space barbies dressup is not derogatory, it is a description, what else would you call it.
The term was invented by your colleague. +änd it failed to become internet forum meme. Sorry. edit. well maybe it actually made through and become internet meme.. still Sorry. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 14:10:00 -
[1990] - Quote
BUMP!
WiS should not be given up on! Backburn it for a time to get FiS fixed but WiS should be the next thing on the menu after the DUST 514 release. That gives time for CCP to introduce one more really good FiS expansion before getting WiS fully implemented.
Besides guys...I hate to break this to you but DUST and WiS are kinda tied together. It has already been stated that DUST and EvE players would be able to interact with each other to some degree...at least in some sort of orbital station. CCP has put a lot of time and effort into WiS and they won't just drop it at this point. You FiS harpies are going to just have to live with that. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 14:49:00 -
[1991] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:BUMP!
WiS should not be given up on! Backburn it for a time to get FiS fixed but WiS should be the next thing on the menu after the DUST 514 release. That gives time for CCP to introduce one more really good FiS expansion before getting WiS fully implemented.
Besides guys...I hate to break this to you but DUST and WiS are kinda tied together. It has already been stated that DUST and EvE players would be able to interact with each other to some degree...at least in some sort of orbital station. CCP has put a lot of time and effort into WiS and they won't just drop it at this point. You FiS harpies are going to just have to live with that.
I used to wonder about how would be acomplished the interaction of Unreal Engine 3.0 and Carbon characters, but provided how WiS is a no-talk issue now and DUST closed beta is about to come, probably that stuff will be scratched and player interaction wil be carried via UI windows. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
18
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Posted - 2011.12.29 14:58:00 -
[1992] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:BUMP!
WiS should not be given up on! Backburn it for a time to get FiS fixed but WiS should be the next thing on the menu after the DUST 514 release. That gives time for CCP to introduce one more really good FiS expansion before getting WiS fully implemented.
Besides guys...I hate to break this to you but DUST and WiS are kinda tied together. It has already been stated that DUST and EvE players would be able to interact with each other to some degree...at least in some sort of orbital station. CCP has put a lot of time and effort into WiS and they won't just drop it at this point. You FiS harpies are going to just have to live with that.
OK one more time.
Let me recap to you. You want to add yet another dress up barbie MMO onto the market that is already saturated with FREE of the same type instead of exploiting what is unique and makes eve different.
The whole CQ does not even make sense from a UI perspective.
see as you are at a terminal in which you move around an avatar that is interacting with a terminal to accomplish something. woot.
Why not just for usability sake keep the direct terminal interaction?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 16:03:00 -
[1993] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Besides guys...I hate to break this to you but DUST and WiS are kinda tied together. This is a good thing because Dust is going to bomb. Hopefully it takes the last vestiges of WiS with it when it dies.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam Amarr Empire
102
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 16:38:00 -
[1994] - Quote
I like many others don't want FiS to be sidelined to the point of being broken. That being said, I want WiS to be fleshed out. You will always have very vocal WiS haters that are afraid of change that will see ANY WiS development as time that could have been spent on FiS. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 17:47:00 -
[1995] - Quote
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:that will see ANY WiS development as time that could have been spent on FiS. Probably because it's true.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:36:00 -
[1996] - Quote
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:I like many others don't want FiS to be sidelined to the point of being broken. That being said, I want WiS to be fleshed out. You will always have very vocal WiS haters that are afraid of change that will see ANY WOD and DUST development as time that could have been spent on EVE.
fixed that for you I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
291
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 21:48:00 -
[1997] - Quote
Dors Venabily wrote:
OK one more time.
Let me recap to you. You want to add yet another dress up barbie MMO onto the market that is already saturated with FREE of the same type instead of exploiting what is unique and makes eve different.
The whole CQ does not even make sense from a UI perspective.
see as you are at a terminal in which you move around an avatar that is interacting with a terminal to accomplish something. woot.
Why not just for usability sake keep the direct terminal interaction?
A lot of people are kept away from EVE because the avatar is a spaceship. About accomplsihing nothing, I disagree, WiS is a necessary step in creating a lot of content that will ultimativly benefit the FiS part of EVE. EVE is a sandbox game, so why the hatred toward more sandbox options?
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:24:00 -
[1998] - Quote
90 pages and still not even a
CCP: "We understand there is interest in WiS and we are working in a plan to not abandon this important game element."
Which would make this thread finally end.
Come on CCP, some sort of statement has been earned!
Issler |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:28:00 -
[1999] - Quote
The "6 people want WIS" thread lol. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 22:43:00 -
[2000] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Besides guys...I hate to break this to you but DUST and WiS are kinda tied together. This is a good thing because Dust is going to bomb. Hopefully it takes the last vestiges of WiS with it when it dies.
I can respect the fact that your cup is half empty, but some of us would simply like the option of having a cup to begin with. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 22:54:00 -
[2001] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Besides guys...I hate to break this to you but DUST and WiS are kinda tied together. This is a good thing because Dust is going to bomb. Hopefully it takes the last vestiges of WiS with it when it dies. I can respect the fact that your cup is half empty, but some of us would simply like the option of having a cup to begin with. Then don't rest your hope for a cup on Dust.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 22:56:00 -
[2002] - Quote
Deviana Sevidon wrote:Dors Venabily wrote:
OK one more time.
Let me recap to you. You want to add yet another dress up barbie MMO onto the market that is already saturated with FREE of the same type instead of exploiting what is unique and makes eve different.
The whole CQ does not even make sense from a UI perspective.
see as you are at a terminal in which you move around an avatar that is interacting with a terminal to accomplish something. woot.
Why not just for usability sake keep the direct terminal interaction?
A lot of people are kept away from EVE because the avatar is a spaceship. About accomplsihing nothing, I disagree, WiS is a necessary step in creating a lot of content that will ultimativly benefit the FiS part of EVE. EVE is a sandbox game, so why the hatred toward more sandbox options?
Please list this " a lot of content " that will ultimately benefit FiS.....even just a sampling would do. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 22:56:00 -
[2003] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:90 pages and still not even a
CCP: "We understand there is interest in WiS and we are working in a plan to not abandon this important game element."
Which would make this thread finally end.
Come on CCP, some sort of statement has been earned!
Issler I guess I have to say this on every page now. They have already responded. They even told you that it hadn't been abandoned (back burner doesn't mean abandoned) so I'm not sure why you keep pestering them about it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:02:00 -
[2004] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Beaches wrote:Most people want WiS, No matter how many times you say this it's never going to be true.
Most people don't play Eve because it lacks decent WiS.
Zing! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:05:00 -
[2005] - Quote
This word doesn't mean what you apparently think it means.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:06:00 -
[2006] - Quote
Of course it does.
Shazam! |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
291
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:08:00 -
[2007] - Quote
robbyx wrote:
Please list this " a lot of content " that will ultimately benefit FiS.....even just a sampling would do.
Smuggling for example, not via a market interface but with people having to meet in person in station bars, with the FiS part of players working as freelance space police to intercept these smugglers.
A corporation war room where tactical information from corp and alliance POS and fleets is compiled into one strategic map.
Missions with dynamic content, that sometimes may require players to meet NPCs in a station.
Also don't forget about the roleplay aspect. SWG had extrensive options for player housing and RP content, that is player generated and not pre-scripted. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:12:00 -
[2008] - Quote
Deviana Sevidon wrote:robbyx wrote:
Please list this " a lot of content " that will ultimately benefit FiS.....even just a sampling would do.
Smuggling for example, not via a market interface but with people having to meet in person in station bars, with the FiS part of players working as freelance space police to intercept these smugglers. A corporation war room where tactical information from corp and alliance POS and fleets is compiled into one strategic map. Missions with dynamic content, that sometimes may require players to meet NPCs in a station.
I'm not disagreeing with your post, but why did you try to unjam a printer cartridge with your face? |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
291
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:16:00 -
[2009] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with your post, but why did you try to unjam a printer cartridge with your face?
Hey, the tatoo is not an accident it's a feature. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:23:00 -
[2010] - Quote
Deviana Sevidon wrote:robbyx wrote:
Please list this " a lot of content " that will ultimately benefit FiS.....even just a sampling would do.
Smuggling for example, not via a market interface but with people having to meet in person in station bars, with the FiS part of players working as freelance space police to intercept these smugglers. A corporation war room where tactical information from corp and alliance POS and fleets is compiled into one strategic map. Missions with dynamic content, that sometimes may require players to meet NPCs in a station. Also don't forget about the roleplay aspect. SWG had extrensive options for player housing and RP content, that is player generated and not pre-scripted.
War rooms were already discussed in this thread.....the rest are not realy FiS related as FiS stands now...if you want to broaden what FiS means then thats a different thing altogether.
Smuggling is already part of the game, what you are talking about is running around on stations arresting people...not FiS.
Missions are already boring enough without having to get out of my ship to engage in more boring NPC interaction.
Role playing...yea well thats a totally subjective aspect of the game...and housing etc is of no benefit to FiS what so ever......thank f**k this is not SWG and never will be...and i would guess the number of RP'ers in EVE is even smaller than the WiS lovers. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:24:00 -
[2011] - Quote
Deviana Sevidon wrote:robbyx wrote:
Please list this " a lot of content " that will ultimately benefit FiS.....even just a sampling would do.
Smuggling for example, not via a market interface but with people having to meet in person in station bars, with the FiS part of players working as freelance space police to intercept these smugglers. A corporation war room where tactical information from corp and alliance POS and fleets is compiled into one strategic map. Missions with dynamic content, that sometimes may require players to meet NPCs in a station. Also don't forget about the roleplay aspect. SWG had extrensive options for player housing and RP content, that is player generated and not pre-scripted.
So smuggling would be walking (because you can't run) from one CQ to another CQ while somebody roleplaying as a "freelance space police" would walk behind you (and maybe use a super cool emote like /handcuff)?
A corporation war room where tactical information is compiled sounds an awful lot like alliance and corp forums that people already use. Or maybe you meant a bigger version of a CQ where members of a corp or alliance can get together to compare their $100 space pants?
And your missions...how are they different from current missions other than the fact that you will have to go through the hassle of leaving your ship and walking (slowly) to an agent? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:25:00 -
[2012] - Quote
I heard this game mass effect was pretty cool, and you could walk around stations and shoot people and **** aliens.
Just sayin' |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:30:00 -
[2013] - Quote
Deviana Sevidon wrote:robbyx wrote:
Please list this " a lot of content " that will ultimately benefit FiS.....even just a sampling would do.
Smuggling for example, not via a market interface but with people having to meet in person in station bars, with the FiS part of players working as freelance space police to intercept these smugglers. A corporation war room where tactical information from corp and alliance POS and fleets is compiled into one strategic map. Missions with dynamic content, that sometimes may require players to meet NPCs in a station. Also don't forget about the roleplay aspect. SWG had extrensive options for player housing and RP content, that is player generated and not pre-scripted.
All of this would never have happened, the only reason we got any kind of Incarna at all was because CCP thought they could make a fast buck with the cash shop.
Years of development and all that came out of it was a single room and a few clothes that looked nothing like any of the previous concept art. You and the other space barbie supporters are doubly fools, firstly for being unable to see the ruin this bought to the game and secondly for failing to realise that CCP never had any real intention of making a real Incarna when they gave us the captains quarters.
They made the cash shop and the most basic platform to allow players to view the items, after that they had no clue or plan for where it was going. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:35:00 -
[2014] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:robbyx wrote:
Please list this " a lot of content " that will ultimately benefit FiS.....even just a sampling would do.
Smuggling for example, not via a market interface but with people having to meet in person in station bars, with the FiS part of players working as freelance space police to intercept these smugglers. A corporation war room where tactical information from corp and alliance POS and fleets is compiled into one strategic map. Missions with dynamic content, that sometimes may require players to meet NPCs in a station. Also don't forget about the roleplay aspect. SWG had extrensive options for player housing and RP content, that is player generated and not pre-scripted. All of this would never have happened, the only reason we got any kind of Incarna at all was because CCP thought they could make a fast buck with the cash shop. Years of development and all that came out of it was a single room and a few clothes that looked nothing like any of the previous concept art. You and the other space barbie supporters are doubly fools, firstly for being unable to see the ruin this bought to the game and secondly for failing to realise that CCP never had any real intention of making a real Incarna when they gave us the captains quarters. They made the cash shop and the most basic platform to allow players to view the items, after that they had no clue or plan for where it was going.
So basically, you have a theory you have decided to believe in like a religion.
That's nice. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
291
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 23:42:00 -
[2015] - Quote
To clarify what I meant about smuggling.
The trade of smuggled goods would have to me made between people, either in a WiS environment. The smuggling and of course any anti-smuggling activity would be in space. (players with a police license scanning ships cargoholds for illegal stuff) |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
170
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:56:00 -
[2016] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:I heard this game mass effect was pretty cool, and you could walk around stations and shoot people and **** aliens.
Just sayin' Hmm, and I've heard that the MMO part of Mass Effect was a bit lacking.
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.30 00:05:00 -
[2017] - Quote
Lors Dornick wrote:Kuronaga wrote:I heard this game mass effect was pretty cool, and you could walk around stations and shoot people and **** aliens.
Just sayin' Hmm, and I've heard that the MMO part of Mass Effect was a bit lacking.
I also heard bioware has this incredibly fat yaoi fangirl on the writing staff that hates gaming, and it's the reason every bioware game has some homosexual character trying to stick it in you throughout the dialogue.
But I digress, as Galaxy of Fantasy has 11 billion players now. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
291
|
Posted - 2011.12.30 00:13:00 -
[2018] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:
But I digress, as Galaxy of Fantasy has 11 billion players now.
The Ardat-Yakshi Necromancers are imba |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.30 00:34:00 -
[2019] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:I also heard bioware has this incredibly fat yaoi fangirl on the writing staff that hates gaming, and it's the reason every bioware game has some homosexual character trying to stick it in you throughout the dialogue. Awesome. A little homophobia is just what this thread has been missing.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.30 00:42:00 -
[2020] - Quote
Let's not forget bars, tabletop strategy games you can bet isk/ships over, mind clash and other assorted awesomeness that would actually give you gameplay related **** to do when you're being camped in a station or just want something to do other than spin a ship in circles.
And just because CCP appears incapable of delivering these features doesn't mean they shouldn't be done. You don't see Nike going "Just Try it", they say "Just Do It". So CCP need to stop failing all the time over stupid stuff, pull their heads out of their asses and Just Do It.
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:I also heard bioware has this incredibly fat yaoi fangirl on the writing staff that hates gaming, and it's the reason every bioware game has some homosexual character trying to stick it in you throughout the dialogue. Awesome. A little homophobia is just what this thread has been missing.
Got something you'd like to share with the rest of us?
edit: On second thought, don't. I don't want you to stick it in me either. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:10:00 -
[2021] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:robbyx wrote:
Please list this " a lot of content " that will ultimately benefit FiS.....even just a sampling would do.
Smuggling for example, not via a market interface but with people having to meet in person in station bars, with the FiS part of players working as freelance space police to intercept these smugglers. A corporation war room where tactical information from corp and alliance POS and fleets is compiled into one strategic map. Missions with dynamic content, that sometimes may require players to meet NPCs in a station. Also don't forget about the roleplay aspect. SWG had extrensive options for player housing and RP content, that is player generated and not pre-scripted. So smuggling would be walking (because you can't run) from one CQ to another CQ while somebody roleplaying as a "freelance space police" would walk behind you (and maybe use a super cool emote like /handcuff)? A corporation war room where tactical information is compiled sounds an awful lot like alliance and corp forums that people already use. Or maybe you meant a bigger version of a CQ where members of a corp or alliance can get together to compare their $100 space pants? And your missions...how are they different from current missions other than the fact that you will have to go through the hassle of leaving your ship and walking (slowly) to an agent?
I think I can flesh that out a bit, if you will forgive a post I threw together after a few minutes thought for another thread.
Quote:Walking to a dark part of a station, or perhaps a seedy player run bar, to meet with a new type of agent... an investigative agent. You can't contact him via normal coms due to the highly illegal, privacy invasive nature of the information he provides. For a fee he/she can tell you most anything you want to know about an individual, for as far back as you can afford. They can tell you when the subject has logged on and logged off, where they went, whether they stay docked all the time or not perhaps even who they speak with or do business with. Far more information is provided than by your standard locator agent. How much are you willing to spend? Perhaps a new bounty system comes into place, where bounty contracts are offered and can only be accepted by pilots with the appropriate skills and licenses. Such an agent would be vital for them to decide if a bounty is worth considering going after. You really need to know if the target ever undocks before you accept that contract. Because you are licensed and have accepted a contract you can kill that person any time, any where, without Concord intervention... but they are of limited duration and you can only accept one at a time. Perhaps you just want to keep track of an enemy's key cap ship pilots, or freighter pilots, or even your own CEO... Concord has really stepped up their effort to curb smuggling all types of contraband, including the more powerful boosters, and the prices for them have gone through the roof. Fortunately, the pirate factions have pooled their technology and provided a solution. You can't buy them on the market, and the contract system won't accept them for legal reasons, but if you know where to find the right guy and he agrees to a face to face meeting, there are some new cargo containers available that make smuggling a walk in the park. Hideously expensive and difficult to find, they make it virtually impossible to scan the contents... instead registering as empty to a ship scanner. Of course, if you want to sell the contraband that you successfully smuggle into empire space, you have to do that off the radar as well and the security systems in hanger bays have been monitoring trades lately... Your alliance is involved in repelling an effort to take a key system from you by a long standing enemy. The battle is huge, and when you count forces blockading the surrounding systems and the sheer volume of pilots trying to relay timely information on enemy movements and attacks, you have a tactical nightmare on your hands commanding your fleets movements to respond quickly enough to a variety of threats. Fortunately your Outpost is equipped with a command and control center, which you and your fleet commanders hurriedly report to. In a large 3D holographic display suspended above the central table you see a detailed tactical map of not only the target system, but the surrounding systems. Where ever you have eyes (a pilot designated as a scout or in a command position) you are provided with a real time display of what forces (both friendly and hostile) are on grid with him, along with key information like affiliation, numbers, ship types, direction of travel, speed, range, and whether they are firing or not. As your scouts reach their designated area's the flow of the entire battle becomes readily apparent to you without the necessity of tying up voice coms or waiting for chat to relay all of this information. Of course you have an advanced interface that allows you to give orders, either via preset commands or verbally to any subset of pilots you need to speak to specifically, from your birds eye view of the battle... a view that your counter parts in the enemy fleet do not have access to as they do not have an Outpost with a command and control center in range. You can get a lap dance from a hot gallante pole dancer. Lol When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:21:00 -
[2022] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:robbyx wrote:
Please list this " a lot of content " that will ultimately benefit FiS.....even just a sampling would do.
Smuggling for example, not via a market interface but with people having to meet in person in station bars, with the FiS part of players working as freelance space police to intercept these smugglers. A corporation war room where tactical information from corp and alliance POS and fleets is compiled into one strategic map. Missions with dynamic content, that sometimes may require players to meet NPCs in a station. Also don't forget about the roleplay aspect. SWG had extrensive options for player housing and RP content, that is player generated and not pre-scripted. So smuggling would be walking (because you can't run) from one CQ to another CQ while somebody roleplaying as a "freelance space police" would walk behind you (and maybe use a super cool emote like /handcuff)? A corporation war room where tactical information is compiled sounds an awful lot like alliance and corp forums that people already use. Or maybe you meant a bigger version of a CQ where members of a corp or alliance can get together to compare their $100 space pants? And your missions...how are they different from current missions other than the fact that you will have to go through the hassle of leaving your ship and walking (slowly) to an agent? I think I can flesh that out a bit, if you will forgive a post I threw together after a few minutes thought for another thread. Quote:Walking to a dark part of a station, or perhaps a seedy player run bar, to meet with a new type of agent... an investigative agent. You can't contact him via normal coms due to the highly illegal, privacy invasive nature of the information he provides. For a fee he/she can tell you most anything you want to know about an individual, for as far back as you can afford. They can tell you when the subject has logged on and logged off, where they went, whether they stay docked all the time or not perhaps even who they speak with or do business with. Far more information is provided than by your standard locator agent. How much are you willing to spend? Perhaps a new bounty system comes into place, where bounty contracts are offered and can only be accepted by pilots with the appropriate skills and licenses. Such an agent would be vital for them to decide if a bounty is worth considering going after. You really need to know if the target ever undocks before you accept that contract. Because you are licensed and have accepted a contract you can kill that person any time, any where, without Concord intervention... but they are of limited duration and you can only accept one at a time. Perhaps you just want to keep track of an enemy's key cap ship pilots, or freighter pilots, or even your own CEO... Concord has really stepped up their effort to curb smuggling all types of contraband, including the more powerful boosters, and the prices for them have gone through the roof. Fortunately, the pirate factions have pooled their technology and provided a solution. You can't buy them on the market, and the contract system won't accept them for legal reasons, but if you know where to find the right guy and he agrees to a face to face meeting, there are some new cargo containers available that make smuggling a walk in the park. Hideously expensive and difficult to find, they make it virtually impossible to scan the contents... instead registering as empty to a ship scanner. Of course, if you want to sell the contraband that you successfully smuggle into empire space, you have to do that off the radar as well and the security systems in hanger bays have been monitoring trades lately... Your alliance is involved in repelling an effort to take a key system from you by a long standing enemy. The battle is huge, and when you count forces blockading the surrounding systems and the sheer volume of pilots trying to relay timely information on enemy movements and attacks, you have a tactical nightmare on your hands commanding your fleets movements to respond quickly enough to a variety of threats. Fortunately your Outpost is equipped with a command and control center, which you and your fleet commanders hurriedly report to. In a large 3D holographic display suspended above the central table you see a detailed tactical map of not only the target system, but the surrounding systems. Where ever you have eyes (a pilot designated as a scout or in a command position) you are provided with a real time display of what forces (both friendly and hostile) are on grid with him, along with key information like affiliation, numbers, ship types, direction of travel, speed, range, and whether they are firing or not. As your scouts reach their designated area's the flow of the entire battle becomes readily apparent to you without the necessity of tying up voice coms or waiting for chat to relay all of this information. Of course you have an advanced interface that allows you to give orders, either via preset commands or verbally to any subset of pilots you need to speak to specifically, from your birds eye view of the battle... a view that your counter parts in the enemy fleet do not have access to as they do not have an Outpost with a command and control center in range. You can get a lap dance from a hot gallante pole dancer. Lol
Dreams, dreams and hopes that will never come close to being in the game.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:25:00 -
[2023] - Quote
lol roleplayers The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:25:00 -
[2024] - Quote
So flavor text aside, in a few minutes you have some viable concepts that make sense in the Incarna environment.
1: New types of agents, powerful sources of very private information, that make sense to contact in person.
2: New items of questionable nature than cannot be sold via the market or contracts, and the only trading possible is done face to face due to the nature of the item. Drugs and smuggling equipment make sense for this type of meeting, one where a public hanger to hanger trade could logically be a bad idea.
3: A Command and Control Center that allows far, far more information on a battle situation than any fleet commander would have currently in his ship. One that eliminates the necessity for large volumes of voice communications to relay basic enemy movements, and utilizes the scanners of your scouts and FC's to give a much clearer picture of the battle (in perhaps multiple systems simultaneously) than you could possibly get with the current overview.
That's about 15 minutes worth of thought from someone with only a rudimentary knowledge of game theory. I rather imagine that with any serious thought put to it the logical possibilities are pretty diverse.
Hey, he asked for even one example. I provided several with very little effort... none of which would be overly difficult to code.
Just making a point. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:37:00 -
[2025] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote: Dreams, dreams and hopes that will never come close to being in the game until tech to do this advances a lot more, becomes less expensive, and CCP gets a LOT smarter and richer.
FTFY
My father used to say: "wish in one hand, and crap in the other, and see which one fills up faster".
CCP is not going to address players about WIS before fanfest. And then, prepare for scant details with nothing concrete. That might change if all 6 or so of you guys crying for answers get organized and convince a lot of players to unsub, or somehow manage to create a 400+ page threadnaught in just a few days (how old is this thread?) .
What you should be doing right now is praying that DUST is a big success, because if it flops, there ain't gonna' be much left of CCP's golden goose to bail them out on another gamble on tech-expensive ambitions.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:44:00 -
[2026] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:lol roleplayers
Cuz u're a reel spacepilot amirite? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:46:00 -
[2027] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:lol roleplayers Cuz u're a reel spacepilot amirite? No, I'm one of the people smart enough to realize we're playing a game. I don't need CCP to waste years of developer time to help me feel like a "freelance space police". The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:53:00 -
[2028] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:lol roleplayers Cuz u're a reel spacepilot amirite? No, I'm one of the people smart enough to realize we're playing a game. I don't need CCP to waste years of developer time to help me feel like a "freelance space police".
You mean the G in RPG stands for game? No wai! U pretty clevar. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:57:00 -
[2029] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:I heard this game mass effect was pretty cool, and you could walk around stations and shoot people and **** aliens.
Just sayin' That game had the absolute worst 'flying in space' content of anything that came out within the last couple of decades.
Just saying. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:03:00 -
[2030] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:lol roleplayers Cuz u're a reel spacepilot amirite? No, I'm one of the people smart enough to realize we're playing a game. I don't need CCP to waste years of developer time to help me feel like a "freelance space police".
I'm not sure where your opinion that people who like a logical and well rounded gaming environment translates into a difficulty separating a game from reality.
Would you perhaps be happier if your ships instead were simple cubes or X's, and your visuals were all reduced to lines of text describing what your surroundings look like?
This is simply another layer of the onion, a new degree of depth to our shared game play.
Lest I've been out of this thread for too long, let me restate my position.
I don't think work should be ongoing at the moment for WIS content.
Instead I believe actual coding resources should continue to be devoted to FIS content (and of course the DUST team should continue doing what they need to do for launch).
My desire is that this time be spent by the group that is responsible for overall game strategy to spend part of their time working hard to come up with logical, solid concepts for this new area of content. Concepts that enrich the game as a whole (including FIS content), and make sense instead of gratuitous fluff. Plans to devote a sensible amount of resources to it when the time comes, not neglect core game play.
I don't think that's out of line, and it doesn't step on anyone's toes.
I hope my point of view on this hasn't stepped on yours. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
299
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:05:00 -
[2031] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:So flavor text aside, in a few minutes you have some viable concepts that make sense in the Incarna environment.
1: New types of agents, powerful sources of very private information, that make sense to contact in person.
2: New items of questionable nature than cannot be sold via the market or contracts, and the only trading possible is done face to face due to the nature of the item. Drugs and smuggling equipment make sense for this type of meeting, one where a public hanger to hanger trade could logically be a bad idea.
3: A Command and Control Center that allows far, far more information on a battle situation than any fleet commander would have currently in his ship. One that eliminates the necessity for large volumes of voice communications to relay basic enemy movements, and utilizes the scanners of your scouts and FC's to give a much clearer picture of the battle (in perhaps multiple systems simultaneously) than you could possibly get with the current overview.
That's about 15 minutes worth of thought from someone with only a rudimentary knowledge of game theory. I rather imagine that with any serious thought put to it the logical possibilities are pretty diverse.
Hey, he asked for even one example. I provided several with very little effort... none of which would be overly difficult to code.
Just making a point.
Non of your suggestions actually require Wis though , all could be implemented without. It's not neccesary to see your charecter to do these things and it would be so much simpler developing them without the need for all the extra, moddeling of enviroments, charecters, bitmapping, rigging, programming involved. lets take a look at them one by one.
1. AFAIK you have to talk to your agents in person anyway.
2. Smuggling already excists and see point 1
3. Why not simply develop a new UI window for command ships.
I think a lot of people supported Wis originally because they thought it would lead to fighting in stations/ships etc. as CCP have chosen to go the route of DUST regarding person to person combat in EVE, it basically leaves Wis a usless dead end.
A catwalk for CCP's AUR fashion show, and we all now how succseful AUR was now don't we. Without that crux or the intent to develop a whole new RPG MMO for missioning in stations (years of development work) it leaves the whole concept dead in the water as far as I'm concerned.
If you want an 'in person' RPG go find one that is to your taste, if you like to fly spaceships then stick with EVE. At least have the decency to admit CCP dropped the ball and let them get on with developing and polishing the game as it is, a SPACE SIM (and boy does it need some work).
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
44
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:13:00 -
[2032] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:lol roleplayers Cuz u're a reel spacepilot amirite? No, I'm one of the people smart enough to realize we're playing a game. I don't need CCP to waste years of developer time to help me feel like a "freelance space police".
For a person that considers himself smart you are pretty offensive and rude against players that dont share your personal opinion. But maybe acting in such a way is how you want this game to be.
However after 92 pages its apperently clear a vast majority still wants WiS the way it was planned and advertised.
Now its up to CCP to fulfill their promises. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:17:00 -
[2033] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:So flavor text aside, in a few minutes you have some viable concepts that make sense in the Incarna environment.
1: New types of agents, powerful sources of very private information, that make sense to contact in person.
2: New items of questionable nature than cannot be sold via the market or contracts, and the only trading possible is done face to face due to the nature of the item. Drugs and smuggling equipment make sense for this type of meeting, one where a public hanger to hanger trade could logically be a bad idea.
3: A Command and Control Center that allows far, far more information on a battle situation than any fleet commander would have currently in his ship. One that eliminates the necessity for large volumes of voice communications to relay basic enemy movements, and utilizes the scanners of your scouts and FC's to give a much clearer picture of the battle (in perhaps multiple systems simultaneously) than you could possibly get with the current overview.
That's about 15 minutes worth of thought from someone with only a rudimentary knowledge of game theory. I rather imagine that with any serious thought put to it the logical possibilities are pretty diverse.
Hey, he asked for even one example. I provided several with very little effort... none of which would be overly difficult to code.
Just making a point. Non of your suggestions actually require Wis though , all could be implemented without. It's not neccesary to see your charecter to do these things and it would be so much simpler developing them without the need for all the extra, moddeling of enviroments, charecters, bitmapping, rigging, programming involved. lets take a look at them one by one. 1. AFAIK you have to talk to your agents in person anyway. 2. Smuggling already excists and see point 1 3. Why not simply develop a new UI window for command ships. I think a lot of people supported Wis originally because they thought it would lead to fighting in stations/ships etc. as CCP have chosen to go the route of DUST regarding person to person combat in EVE, it basically leaves Wis a usless dead end. A catwalk for CCP's AUR fashion show, and we all now how succseful AUR was now don't we. Without that crux or the intent to develop a whole new RPG MMO for missioning in stations (years of development work) it leaves the whole concept dead in the water as far as I'm concerned. If you want an 'in person' RPG go find one that is to your taste, if you like to fly spaceships then stick with EVE. At least have the decency to admit CCP dropped the ball and let them get on with developing and polishing the game as it is, a SPACE SIM (and boy does it need some work).
In fact, you don't actually need to see a ship or a station do to any of the things you currently do in game. Your point is lacking.
There are many things that make sense to want to do more efficiently, more secretly, person to person. I could call, text, or email people directly to arrange all sorts of illegal activities... but that doesn't really make much sense now does it.
I would be a pretty poor drug dealer if I used my home phone to call all of my customers on their home phone to arrange a sale, and then sent their goods to them via mail directly. There are reasons why people do that type of business face to face.
As far as the Command Center is concerned, the volume of information and tools available would be quite impractical for a pilot at the scene of the combat to actually try to keep track of in addition to keeping himself from getting roasted in the process. If you refuse to see the value of your entire screen being taken up with a 3D display of the entire battle, with more extensive coms and tools at your disposal than you could jam in with your normal necessary UI, that is a limitation on your part... not mine. More importantly, it makes SENSE in game... just as it does for our armed forces out of game.
People can identify with this, and more importantly have fun with this. If you aren't comfortable with that I don't know what to tell you. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
299
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:19:00 -
[2034] - Quote
Zevina wrote: However after 92 pages its apperently clear a vast majority still wants WiS the way it was planned and advertised.
No TBH this thread wouldn't have lasted 90+ pages if an equal number of people didn't think it was a stupid idea to keep flogging a dead horse.
So a fairer assesment would be the community is split and no... Quote:...vast majority... ...excists.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:22:00 -
[2035] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:I'm not sure where your opinion that people who like a logical and well rounded gaming environment translates into a difficulty separating a game from reality. Let me clear that up for you. The people having trouble separating a game from reality are the same people who think it's a good idea for CCP to ignore actual Eve content so they can make designer space pants.
If CCP had been able to work on some sort of WiS system without ignoring real Eve content for two years I wouldn't care a bit. I was even interested in what they showed at fanfest several years ago until they threw in all the RMT/microtransaction crap. I was ecstatic when Hilmar released his apology and promised a return to working on Eve and it distresses me that a small handful of people in this thread are asking for him to go back on that. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:23:00 -
[2036] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Zevina wrote: However after 92 pages its apperently clear a vast majority still wants WiS the way it was planned and advertised.
No TBH this thread wouldn't have lasted 90+ pages if an equal number of people didn't think it was a stupid idea to keep flogging a dead horse. So a fairer assesment would be the community is split and no... Quote:...vast majority... ...excists.
I would agree with you in part.
A lot of people go to ridiculous extremes on this topic. The core theme though is that the concept is worth pursuing IF it is well thought through, makes sense, is fun, and doesn't detract from the development of core (FIS) game play. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.30 02:26:00 -
[2037] - Quote
Zevina wrote:For a person that considers himself smart you are pretty offensive and rude against players that dont share your personal opinion. But maybe acting in such a way is how you want this game to be.
However after 92 pages its apperently clear a vast majority still wants WiS the way it was planned and advertised.
Now its up to CCP to fulfill their promises. First of all I'm sorry that you find logic and common sense "pretty offenive and rude". Not sure what I can do about it.
Second, if you had actually read all 92 pages of the thread like I have you'd see that there are very, very few pro-WiS people (or space barbie fetishists as they prefer to be called) but those few people (and their alts) are very vocal. Without a doubt the majority of posts in this thread are from me and others like me who don't want to see Eve ruined again. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
299
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:29:00 -
[2038] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
In fact, you don't actually need to see a ship or a station do to any of the things you currently do in game. Your point is lacking.
Not at all, my point still stands why waste thousands of man hours when you don't need to
There are many things that make sense to want to do more efficiently, more secretly, person to person. I could call, text, or email people directly to arrange all sorts of illegal activities... but that doesn't really make much sense now does it.
I would be a pretty poor drug dealer if I used my home phone to call all of my customers on their home phone to arrange a sale, and then sent their goods to them via mail directly. There are reasons why people do that type of business face to face.
Again you fail to understand that ingame we DO talk face to face with our agents and not on comms as your scenario describes
As far as the Command Center is concerned, the volume of information and tools available would be quite impractical for a pilot at the scene of the combat to actually try to keep track of in addition to keeping himself from getting roasted in the process. If you refuse to see the value of your entire screen being taken up with a 3D display of the entire battle, with more extensive coms and tools at your disposal than you could jam in with your normal necessary UI, that is a limitation on your part... not mine. More importantly, it makes SENSE in game... just as it does for our armed forces out of game.
Who said it couldn't be 3D? Who said you couldn't expand it to full screen? have you never heard of a mobile command centre IRL? I'm not saying a TAC display is a bad idea my point is it doesn't NEED Wis and would be 100* harder to implement if you tried to use it
People can identify with this, and more importantly have fun with this. If you aren't comfortable with that I don't know what to tell you.
I have no problem with people having fun ingame, they do already WITHOUT Wis, kinda proving my point I feel
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:29:00 -
[2039] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I'm not sure where your opinion that people who like a logical and well rounded gaming environment translates into a difficulty separating a game from reality. Let me clear that up for you. The people having trouble separating a game from reality are the same people who think it's a good idea for CCP to ignore actual Eve content so they can make designer space pants. If CCP had been able to work on some sort of WiS system without ignoring real Eve content for two years I wouldn't care a bit. I was even interested in what they showed at fanfest several years ago until they threw in all the RMT/microtransaction crap. I was ecstatic when Hilmar released his apology and promised a return to working on Eve and it distresses me that a small handful of people in this thread are asking for him to go back on that.
We are largely in agreement on that.
The whole fashion show route was horribly thought out. Customizing your appearance isn't bad in and of itself, but how they did it was embarrassingly bad.
You need to be aware of the fact that a lot of the people in this thread are of the same opinion in that regard, and are not proponents of sacrificing needed development time from FIS game play.
Instead they would rather a solid concept be developed first, not gratuitous crap be thrown together to justify the tech... and a sensible division of resources be implemented instead of ignoring the core game play entirely. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:34:00 -
[2040] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:You need to be aware of the fact that a lot of the people in this thread are of the same opinion in that regard, and are not proponents of sacrificing needed development time from FIS game play. If that is true and CCP has already told them that further Incarna development hasn't been canceled but is on the back burner what more are they asking for in this thread?
The fact that they keep bleating about their space pants tells me that they *are* wanting CCP to sacrifice actual Eve content for more WiS nonsense. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:41:00 -
[2041] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
In fact, you don't actually need to see a ship or a station do to any of the things you currently do in game. Your point is lacking.
Not at all, my point still stands why waste thousands of man hours when you don't need to
There are many things that make sense to want to do more efficiently, more secretly, person to person. I could call, text, or email people directly to arrange all sorts of illegal activities... but that doesn't really make much sense now does it.
I would be a pretty poor drug dealer if I used my home phone to call all of my customers on their home phone to arrange a sale, and then sent their goods to them via mail directly. There are reasons why people do that type of business face to face.
Again you fail to understand that ingame we DO talk face to face with our agents and not on comms as your scenario describes
As far as the Command Center is concerned, the volume of information and tools available would be quite impractical for a pilot at the scene of the combat to actually try to keep track of in addition to keeping himself from getting roasted in the process. If you refuse to see the value of your entire screen being taken up with a 3D display of the entire battle, with more extensive coms and tools at your disposal than you could jam in with your normal necessary UI, that is a limitation on your part... not mine. More importantly, it makes SENSE in game... just as it does for our armed forces out of game.
Who said it couldn't be 3D? Who said you couldn't expand it to full screen? have you never heard of a mobile command centre IRL? I'm not saying a TAC display is a bad idea my point is it doesn't NEED Wis and would be 100* harder to implement if you tried to use it
People can identify with this, and more importantly have fun with this. If you aren't comfortable with that I don't know what to tell you.
I have no problem with people having fun ingame, they do already WITHOUT Wis, kinda proving my point I feel
Again, none of what we have now is necessary for game play. Not ship graphics, not station or space environments, not even an overview. There are reasons why we DO have them anyway, it allows you to identify and make sense of what is going on around you in a fun and identifiable way. This is no different.
Actually, no. Before CQ you never left your ship, to converse with an agent or otherwise. You sat there, in your ship to talking via the same chat interface with little still pictures of your agents having a text conversation with you. Now if you IMAGINED something more, perhaps you are instead proving the appeal of having a the game visually reflect that.
A Command Center view point of a battle makes a great deal more sense to be done from a station, and also opens up many possibilities as well if this "battle overview" has a range limit. People within range of a Command Center would have a noticeable advantage over those out of range of their own. It would provide a reason for taking a systematic approach to securing enemy Outposts in range of the front lines for your own use first, so that you would not be disadvantaged by the defenders. Frankly, I certainly wouldn't want to be vulnerable in a ship in space with all of my screen being devoted to an overview of a battle and oblivious to my personal situation.
I'm glad you still remember that fun is the main objective. Try to keep in mind that this is just another layer of fun that would be available to be experienced. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:50:00 -
[2042] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:You need to be aware of the fact that a lot of the people in this thread are of the same opinion in that regard, and are not proponents of sacrificing needed development time from FIS game play. If that is true and CCP has already told them that further Incarna development hasn't been canceled but is on the back burner what more are they asking for in this thread? The fact that they keep bleating about their space pants tells me that they *are* wanting CCP to sacrifice actual Eve content for more WiS nonsense.
I think they are just wanting some indication of a rough time frame when development might be looked at again. CCP does have a bad habit of taking an "all or nothing" approach at times that has not served them well in the past.
Honestly, a lot of the bleating about space pants has come from people attempting to shut down any further conversation in favor of WIS. Most (but not all) of the people speaking in favor of Incarna haven't really made that a main point.
I personally like the option to customize my character. I have in every game I've played (and most allowed it to varying degree's). It helps build an identity in game, and EVE especially is all about your rep and how you present yourself (granted, how you look visually takes a back seat to what you accomplish).
I would have no objections to having some 3rd party develop new "stuff" for the characters to customize with, but that's a pretty trivial point in this discussion. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.30 03:01:00 -
[2043] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: The fact that they keep bleating about their space pants tells me that they *are* wanting CCP to sacrifice actual Eve content for more WiS nonsense.
Only one bleating about space pants and space barbie fetishists is yourself and your cohort.
What did you say in another thread where someone suggested that CCP implement clothing that has already been developed and in-game?
Quote:Yes, CCP, please stop working on actual Eve content so the space barbies can play dressup.
Quote: No, I'm one of the people smart enough to realize we're playing a game
Smarter than the average goonbear. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
299
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Posted - 2011.12.30 03:07:00 -
[2044] - Quote
Whatever way you try and sell the idea unless CCP where commited to designing a whole new game based around 'avatar' activity , it's just hype.
Perhaps that was the original intention but frankly I have very little respect left for the modern CCP. Originally EVE was a work of genius IMO, it's been badly mismanaged ever since. They fail to keep there eye on the ball and seem to walk round with there head in the clouds, thinking this would be great or that is the dogs knackers. What the deliver is mostly half cocked ideas poorly implemented.
As a company they already seem to be floundering (other developments shelved and staff laid off) and making high stakes gambles (Dust).
Why should I be so bothered? well at the end of the day I enjoy EVE and should CCP go belly up the very excistance of new eden would be in doubt (unless someone else bought it out ).
WiS is in no way neccasery to EVE as the past 10 years have proven, and while it would be nice to please all the people all the time, it just isn't practical.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.30 03:14:00 -
[2045] - Quote
hey you know in 1 year swtor will be shitcanned, f2p, dying on life support and ccp would look at it and "phew glad we didn't faggle up our game with that bullshit" One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.30 03:17:00 -
[2046] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:hey you know in 1 year swtor will be shitcanned, f2p, dying on life support and ccp would look at it and "phew glad we didn't faggle up our game with that bullshit"
maybe, yet totally unrelated.. different ball-park. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2011.12.30 03:30:00 -
[2047] - Quote
ranger1 your ideas are so shitstupid you must be trollin 1. info- like what? where's that ibis with 50 plexes, where's that titan 20km off a pos, where's SC stuck with no fuel? 2. boosters- so you are giong to grief the whole server by forcing them into wis for boosters? screw you 3. command center- jesus christ, have you ever been in a fleet? yeah let's have docked backseat fc-ing don't make points, just don't One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 03:49:00 -
[2048] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:ranger1 your ideas are so shitstupid you must be trollin 1. info- like what? where's that ibis with 50 plexes, where's that titan 20km off a pos, where's SC stuck with no fuel? 2. boosters- so you are giong to grief the whole server by forcing them into wis for boosters? screw you 3. command center- jesus christ, have you ever been in a fleet? yeah let's have docked backseat fc-ing don't make points, just don't
Okay, I'll humor you.
1: Info like:
I'm interested in collecting the bounty on this person, do they ever undock? If they do, when and where have they undocked the last few times? I'm suspicious of one of my directors, who has he traded/contracted/sold items to lately? I know who does logistics for my enemy. What systems has he been to in the last 48 hours?
Obviously, this sort of information at your finger tips would not come cheap. This could become part of making bounty hunting a viable profession for the first time. I won't even venture onto the slippery slope of the possibility of this type of agent operating a wire tap on a persons private convo's.
2: Not necessarily just boosters, but smuggling of any item deemed contraband in the various EVE empires would fall under this category... as well as the illicit sale of items specifically designed to make smuggling more viable than it is today. You may not have a problem with smuggling not being a viable or skillable profession currently, you may not have a problem with illegal items being traded on publicly viewable contracts, but I think many do.
3: Heh, yes I've been in fleet "a time or two", and taken part in the planning of major campaigns. Tools to get a better picture of what is going on, as well as reducing the amount of necessary coms traffic, would be tremendously helpful. Can you really call it "back seat FCing" when he has a far clearer picture of the overall battle than you do...
I won't discourage YOU from making points, instead I encourage you to do so next time. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2011.12.30 04:32:00 -
[2049] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Zevina wrote:For a person that considers himself smart you are pretty offensive and rude against players that dont share your personal opinion. But maybe acting in such a way is how you want this game to be.
However after 92 pages its apperently clear a vast majority still wants WiS the way it was planned and advertised.
Now its up to CCP to fulfill their promises. First of all I'm sorry that you find logic and common sense "pretty offenive and rude". Not sure what I can do about it.
Easy answer, stop posting. If not, try a little common courtesy.
Seriously, if it wasn't for you and a couple of other 'Cons', this thread probably wouldn't be top page active.
Thanks.
Ladie Harlot wrote:Second, if you had actually read all 92 pages of the thread like I have you'd see that there are very, very few pro-WiS people (or space barbie fetishists as they prefer to be called) but those few people (and their alts) are very vocal.
Not sure about there only being a very, very few pro-WiS people. Most everyone would have welcomed WiS if it had been properly programed, beta tested and implemented like it had been originally presented in Ambulation.
Unfortunately, the WiS we got (CQ) was completely different. Everyone agrees there are many Technical issues with it. Baring that, there's still lot's of potential new content that could have been implemented for both FiS and WiS with Incarna..
Plenty of great ideas for that have already been posted in this thread.
Instead of fixing stuff or even creating new content for FiS and WiS, CCP decided to cash in with Nex and Micro-transactions and link that to a poorly programed badly rushed CQ (WiS) and present it as Incarna.
That was the problem. Along with all the other political events that happened during the summer.
The Nex and Micro-transactions should not be confused with WiS.
By the way, wanting a viable working WiS doesn't make a player "space barbie fetishists".
Ladie Harlot wrote:Without a doubt the majority of posts in this thread are from me and others like me who don't want to see Eve ruined again.
Adding new content is never a bad thing as long as existing content is maintained and or improved.
Yes, you're one of the few very vocal protesters in this thread, again I thank you for doing your part to keep this issue alive.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.30 04:34:00 -
[2050] - Quote
1. no way they would allow that, that is straight up full-api-key info, imagine the ganking potential
2. you can already do smuggling as a career, get in an orca, get ppl to escort you from low/null to hisec also you know the market button on the neocom? ccp can just make a second "black market button" available in low/null stations only, no need for wis
3.. "FCing equals extending your ****, biggest **** wins." - Mister Vee, war ingame and irl is determined by the ability to see through the chaos and act accordingly. fleets now require actual dudes in scout ships, coherent communication, and nothing is spoon-fed, if you want intel, you have to be out in space, not lollygagging in a station. i do agree with the other dude who said that additional improvements can be made in this regard but to ships only, eg. covertops frigates should have additional "intel stuff" UI, able to see more stuff than the pilot flying a BS also command ships should have special FC-ing abilities to compell FCs to actually conduct their FC-ing from a command ship, such as the ability to call up a second overview, which is fed directly from a covertops scout in the same fleet. instead of being merely a buffing ship.
i can rebuke your ideas all day long, in the end wis is just useless frivolous fluff, adding nothing to game mechanics One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.30 04:59:00 -
[2051] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:What did you say in another thread where someone suggested that CCP implement clothing that has already been developed and in-game? Quote:Yes, CCP, please stop working on actual Eve content so the space barbies can play dressup. For your homework project this week I'd like you to find a dictionary and look up the word IRONY. Report back when you can answer your own question from above. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.30 05:02:00 -
[2052] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:again I thank you for doing your part to keep this issue alive I'm always happy to help remind CCP of the promises they made to the community. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 06:24:00 -
[2053] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:1. no way they would allow that, that is straight up full-api-key info, imagine the ganking potential
2. you can already do smuggling as a career, get in an orca, get ppl to escort you from low/null to hisec also you know the market button on the neocom? ccp can just make a second "black market button" available in low/null stations only, no need for wis
3.. "FCing equals extending your ****, biggest **** wins." - Mister Vee, war ingame and irl is determined by the ability to see through the chaos and act accordingly. fleets now require actual dudes in scout ships, coherent communication, and nothing is spoon-fed, if you want intel, you have to be out in space, not lollygagging in a station. i do agree with the other dude who said that additional improvements can be made in this regard but to ships only, eg. covertops frigates should have additional "intel stuff" UI, able to see more stuff than the pilot flying a BS also command ships should have special FC-ing abilities to compell FCs to actually conduct their FC-ing from a command ship, such as the ability to call up a second overview, which is fed directly from a covertops scout in the same fleet. instead of being merely a buffing ship.
i can rebuke your ideas all day long, in the end wis is just useless frivolous fluff, adding nothing to game mechanics
1: We have locator agents now, imagine the ganking potential. What information would be available would have to be carefully considered of course, but even now we can almost instantly determine the location of anyone we desire... any time we like. The possibilities for additional clever tid bits of information of a highly personal (and clandestine) nature are virtually limitless.
2: LOL. Smuggling has never been fleshed out as a career, much like bounty hunting. It is an oft asked for area of development. What you are describing is yet another marketing system that adds nothing to current game play. It's somewhat akin to you saying "Invention would be better if you could just buy a T2 BPO".
3: If you want information, you need to have your SCOUTS out in space and in the correct locations. None of that changes except you are actually able to do your job better... and so can the other guy IF he has planned ahead. What possible sense does it make for a ship in the field to have better Command and Control capabilities than the tremendous resources that would be available in a Null Sec Outpost?
Do we currently coordinate large military actions from the cockpit of a fighter? No. Do we currently ask one man, who is personally piloting his vessel in the middle of combat, to oversee the disposition of an entire fleet? No. Do we establish Command and Control Centers, that gather intel and recon reports, to coordinate efforts when a large battle is occurring? Yes.
We do those things for a number of very sensible reasons. Try not thinking like a fighter jock and instead think like a fleet commander.
In fact, it is this very ability which is one of the most anticipated aspects of DUST. The ability of at least one player on each side to oversee the battle in exactly this manner and coordinate the forces at his command. They already have an idea as to how this can best be accomplished and have written code for it. It's not a big leap to apply this to EVE.
More importantly every one of these suggestions makes much more sense to be handled in person than to be handled from the helm of your ship. Not to mention more fun.
Someone asked for at least one example. I took 15 minutes and came up with 3 off the top of my head. Obviously better idea's can be visualized with a bit of thought, but this shows a small glimpse of the possibilities. Sure, it would be quicker to give you a text box that tells you that you are getting a lap dance from a Gallante pole dancer, but would that really be more amusing than actually having it happen to your character? (If you answer yes, I'm prepared to pronounce you legally dead). When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2011.12.30 07:19:00 -
[2054] - Quote
1. locator agents currently give out way less information that what you are proposing, checks and balances, you seem to want highly detailed full api key stuff 2. i proposed the black market button because you cannot process the fact that yes pirate ships and illegal drugs are sold openly on the market/contract. no it is not fun to WASD for 5 minutes because i want to buy a few boosters 3. you wanted "One that eliminates the necessity for large volumes of voice communications to relay basic enemy movements, and utilizes the scanners of your scouts and FC's to give a much clearer picture of the battle (in perhaps multiple systems simultaneously) than you could possibly get with the current overview." that looks pretty spoon-fed to me, if your alliance cannot do this over voice comms, too bad your comparison of eve warring to irl warring is just plain silly, like how a fleet is suppose to literally rely on/call home to "HQ HIGH COMMAND" for maneuvers, a very poor argument to legitimize wis avatar-usage i know i made the same comparison as well, but only in the most general sense, your desire for eve to have a literal representation of NORAD or CENTCOM is just misguided, yes we are all just space pilots in the game of eve online, and again i don't think you understand how FCing and fleets work and the battle overseer for DUST thing, would be much more useful to have a Battlefield 2 Commander style thing, looking at your avatar looking at a screen just don't sound very effective, again no wis needed.
and when i was playing GTA IV, i was amused by the pg-13 stripper at the strip club for about 1 minute,
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.30 10:12:00 -
[2055] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:The "6 people want WIS" thread lol.
against the 3 people hate WIS
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.30 11:37:00 -
[2056] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:lol roleplayers Cuz u're a reel spacepilot amirite? No, I'm one of the people smart enough to realize we're playing a game. I don't need CCP to waste years of developer time to help me feel like a "freelance space police".
It's a shame you aren't one of the smart people who realizes you're playing a roleplaying game. |
Jita Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.12.30 12:37:00 -
[2057] - Quote
>40.000 view With this thread CCP now just know WIS is really wanting :) And can read why "WIS hater" are just funny troll.. (sry for my poor english) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.12.30 12:44:00 -
[2058] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:
It's a shame you aren't one of the smart people who realizes you're playing a roleplaying game.
You must be one of the players that picked the role to play mentally challenged then. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.30 12:51:00 -
[2059] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Kuronaga wrote:
It's a shame you aren't one of the smart people who realizes you're playing a roleplaying game.
You must be one of the players that picked the role to play mentally challenged then.
You're just mad cause goth music sucks. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
|
Posted - 2011.12.30 12:55:00 -
[2060] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Alpheias wrote:Kuronaga wrote:
It's a shame you aren't one of the smart people who realizes you're playing a roleplaying game.
You must be one of the players that picked the role to play mentally challenged then. You're just mad cause goth music sucks.
You don't have to tell me goth music sucks - I know it does. On the same level as your dating history, I'd imagine. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.30 12:59:00 -
[2061] - Quote
My goodness, I'm being trash talked by an angry space nymph.
Whatever will I do? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.12.30 13:09:00 -
[2062] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:
Whatever will I do?
Suicide come to mind. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2011.12.30 13:56:00 -
[2063] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:lol roleplayers Cuz u're a reel spacepilot amirite? No, I'm one of the people smart enough to realize we're playing a game. I don't need CCP to waste years of developer time to help me feel like a "freelance space police". It's a shame you aren't one of the smart people who realizes you're playing a roleplaying game. MMORPG describes a genre or a 'type' of game. That doesn't mean I have to demean myself by actually acting like a roleplayer and crying about not enough space pants.
Maybe if the tiny handful of pro-WiS players who can't be happy until CCP ruins their game again got together and pooled their money they could hire somebody to write some NeX store slashfic or something. I don't know...would that make you guys feel better?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
|
Posted - 2011.12.30 14:24:00 -
[2064] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:
Suicide come to mind.
Your character looks like some moody teenager going through her emo phase while struggling to deal with her monthly period.
And here you are on the forums acting like it.
See? Roleplaying isn't that hard.
Ladie Harlot wrote:MMORPG describes a genre or a 'type' of game. That doesn't mean I have to demean myself by actually acting like a roleplayer and crying about not enough space pants.
Yes, kind of like boardgame describes candyland. But last I checked, you were supposed to play candyland on the board, hence the name.
That are you unable to follow a simple concept that is actually described in the name itself due to your horrifically mismanaged intelligence is another issue. Luckily for you most people are also idiots, so you are allowed a comfortable domain in the world. Just not a domain that matters. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
227
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:39:00 -
[2065] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: i know i made the same comparison as well, but only in the most general sense, your desire for eve to have a literal representation of NORAD or CENTCOM is just misguided.
Id disagree with this view. There's an argument that fleet 'blobs' may occur as having an FC 'ead other players by the nose' is the only viable method of manoeuvring large fleets at the moment.
If a higher 'strategic' perspective was available for commanders (i.e they could view the rough dispositions and status of multiple fleets over a broad area) then that approach would be used more. I certainly know players who have resorted to using print outs of DOTLAN maps and pins to try and achieve this (with moderate success).
If you tie in the value of having a higher strategic perspective with the roll out of DUST514 additional tools for 'war planning and execution' would be a good thing - and WiS strikes me as a perfectly valid means of displaying and accessing that information.
Why use WiS? It would at least provide a geography for players to navigate by - a virtual 3D UI if you like. It could be done with additional pop up windows but that's likely to become pretty chaotic and not all that immersive.
C.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:40:00 -
[2066] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Alpheias wrote:
Suicide come to mind.
Your character looks like some moody teenager going through her emo phase while struggling to deal with her monthly period. And here you are on the forums acting like it. See? Roleplaying isn't that hard. Ladie Harlot wrote:MMORPG describes a genre or a 'type' of game. That doesn't mean I have to demean myself by actually acting like a roleplayer and crying about not enough space pants. Yes, kind of like boardgame describes candyland. But last I checked, you were supposed to play candyland on the board, hence the name. That are you unable to follow a simple concept that is actually described in the name itself due to your horrifically mismanaged intelligence is another issue. Luckily for you most people are also idiots, so you are allowed a comfortable domain in the world. Just not a domain that matters.
Yours look like a lonely weebo so what is your point? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:42:00 -
[2067] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:ranger1 your ideas are so shitstupid you must be trollin 1. info- like what? where's that ibis with 50 plexes, where's that titan 20km off a pos, where's SC stuck with no fuel? 2. boosters- so you are giong to grief the whole server by forcing them into wis for boosters? screw you 3. command center- jesus christ, have you ever been in a fleet? yeah let's have docked backseat fc-ing don't make points, just don't
Fortunately your post is null since every one of your posts is "shitstupid".
Quit being an ass and accept the fact that other people do have other views and opinions...and you are not always right despite what you may think. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:46:00 -
[2068] - Quote
My point, dear lady, is that I am clearly a happy person with a valid point of view while you are clearly a super sensitive brat who's only recourse is to throw about baseless personal insults like a child who didn't get their sweet roll. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
291
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:53:00 -
[2069] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:My point, dear lady, is that I am clearly a happy person with a valid point of view while you are clearly a super sensitive brat who's only recourse is to throw about baseless personal insults like a child who didn't get their sweet roll.
Maybe she took an arrow in her knee? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:59:00 -
[2070] - Quote
Just a little off-topic... compare how we and these thread are being ignored, with how all the whiners who coouldn't get their timing straight to get the holiday gifts are devoted a devblog and the chance to overload the already overloaded petition system with a specific cathegory to petition their gifts.
Coz', you know, would be so bad that some people were upset to don't get their holiday gifts for their own failing, wereas ignoring people concerned about WiS is par for the course. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
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Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
227
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Posted - 2011.12.30 15:14:00 -
[2071] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Just a little off-topic... compare how we and these thread are being ignored, with how all the whiners who coouldn't get their timing straight to get the holiday gifts are devoted a devblog and the chance to overload the already overloaded petition system with a specific cathegory to petition their gifts. Coz', you know, would be so bad that some people were upset to don't get their holiday gifts for their own failing, wereas ignoring people concerned about WiS is par for the course.
To be fair to CCP their previous blogs on the topic have been pretty clear: WiS development is, to all intents and purposes - dead.
What I would like to know from CCP is if they drew a distinction between players desires for a better focus on FiS, WiS and micro transactions. My perception is that CCP came to the conclusion that the player base did not want WiS which I dont believe is entirely true.
Certainly there are players, some vehemently, opposed to anything not FiS. I would suggest that the uproar over the summer was due to the fact that WiS didn't deliver to what CCP had hyped it to previously, and came with a ludicrous micro-transaction model and came with the baggage of neglected FiS features.
If WiS matched the original proposal, ditched the MT element and incorporated actual gameplay it could be well received by a good number of players. One cant help getting the impression that CCP threw a bit of tantrum and decided that if we wouldn't accept MT then tough, we wont get anything at all.
C.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 15:48:00 -
[2072] - Quote
Cailais wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Just a little off-topic... compare how we and these thread are being ignored, with how all the whiners who coouldn't get their timing straight to get the holiday gifts are devoted a devblog and the chance to overload the already overloaded petition system with a specific cathegory to petition their gifts. Coz', you know, would be so bad that some people were upset to don't get their holiday gifts for their own failing, wereas ignoring people concerned about WiS is par for the course. To be fair to CCP their previous blogs on the topic have been pretty clear: WiS development is, to all intents and purposes - dead. What I would like to know from CCP is if they drew a distinction between players desires for a better focus on FiS, WiS and micro transactions. My perception is that CCP came to the conclusion that the player base did not want WiS which I dont believe is entirely true. Certainly there are players, some vehemently, opposed to anything not FiS. I would suggest that the uproar over the summer was due to the fact that WiS didn't deliver to what CCP had hyped it to previously, and came with a ludicrous micro-transaction model and came with the baggage of neglected FiS features. If WiS matched the original proposal, ditched the MT element and incorporated actual gameplay it could be well received by a good number of players. One cant help getting the impression that CCP threw a bit of tantrum and decided that if we wouldn't accept MT then tough, we wont get anything at all. C.
Yeah, as I said earlier, sometimes they have an all or nothing attitude that doesn't serve them very well at times.
I have a feeling that they have choosen to adopt a policy of simply not discussing anything to do with Incarna until things have settled down, and they have a proper plan in place. They know they will be under heavy fire the moment that they announce swinging some dev resources in its direction again.
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they simply don't make it public knowledge when development starts again and only reveal it when it is a done deal. Which, of course, would be a very risky (if somewhat understandable) approach.
They will be facing people who stubbornly insist that a pop up window is a better way of handling "anything" than Avatar based game play. People that have nailed their feet to the floor of the anti-WIS bandwagon so completely that they will actually assert that text boxes and static pictures that were common in 20th century software is preferable to the level of interaction you can get now from even the most simplistic web based game.
It is unfortunate that the release of Incarna was so badly handled that it forced what are normally very rational people (that enjoy good graphics and immersion) into taking such an irrational stance. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.30 16:32:00 -
[2073] - Quote
Cailais wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: i know i made the same comparison as well, but only in the most general sense, your desire for eve to have a literal representation of NORAD or CENTCOM is just misguided.
Id disagree with this view. There's an argument that fleet 'blobs' may occur as having an FC 'ead other players by the nose' is the only viable method of manoeuvring large fleets at the moment. If a higher 'strategic' perspective was available for commanders (i.e they could view the rough dispositions and status of multiple fleets over a broad area) then that approach would be used more. I certainly know players who have resorted to using print outs of DOTLAN maps and pins to try and achieve this (with moderate success). If you tie in the value of having a higher strategic perspective with the roll out of DUST514 additional tools for 'war planning and execution' would be a good thing - and WiS strikes me as a perfectly valid means of displaying and accessing that information. Why use WiS? It would at least provide a geography for players to navigate by - a virtual 3D UI if you like. It could be done with additional pop up windows but that's likely to become pretty chaotic and not all that immersive. C.
how the hell is wis going to help with that? all we need is a better F10
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:08:00 -
[2074] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Cailais wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: i know i made the same comparison as well, but only in the most general sense, your desire for eve to have a literal representation of NORAD or CENTCOM is just misguided.
Id disagree with this view. There's an argument that fleet 'blobs' may occur as having an FC 'ead other players by the nose' is the only viable method of manoeuvring large fleets at the moment. If a higher 'strategic' perspective was available for commanders (i.e they could view the rough dispositions and status of multiple fleets over a broad area) then that approach would be used more. I certainly know players who have resorted to using print outs of DOTLAN maps and pins to try and achieve this (with moderate success). If you tie in the value of having a higher strategic perspective with the roll out of DUST514 additional tools for 'war planning and execution' would be a good thing - and WiS strikes me as a perfectly valid means of displaying and accessing that information. Why use WiS? It would at least provide a geography for players to navigate by - a virtual 3D UI if you like. It could be done with additional pop up windows but that's likely to become pretty chaotic and not all that immersive. C. how the hell is wis going to help with that? all we need is a better F10
No.
All we need is a text box listing range and ship type.
What we have is slightly better than that.
What would be preferable is something far better that makes sense. Something that encourages engagements in multiple locations/systems simultaneously because they can be easily managed. Something that allows tactics other than the blob. Something that allows your scouts to give accurate reports instantly, without having to type out ship types lest they interrupt target calling on voice coms. Something that allows multiple FC's to manage separate engagements within a larger battle in a clear, organized manner and yet still be working closely together from the same interface and presentation of information. Something that doesn't require a quick shift to a back up FC if your main FC gets popped, assuming your back up FC is still in the fight.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
76
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:13:00 -
[2075] - Quote
Ranger1, a good post- but I do have to nit-pick on one point...
EVERYTHING in Eve is just a pop up menu box. That is the first thing that really struck me when I started playing-- that Eve is really just a series of pop up menus. So much so in fact that you could all but do away with the graphics of ships in space entirely.
I don't see how avatars will change that. You will simply walk with a robotic strut to a kiosk or something which will then open a menu box. This is exactly all that Incarna does now. You can sit on a sofa and click Agent Finder, or just do the same from the hangar screen- the result is identical.
This is my problem with FiS. Not the concept, but rather that it's just window dressing over a basic, boring mechanic. Eve is pop up menus, and all Incarna did was add ugly full body models skulking around to do what I can in a second with a mouse click on a button on the side of the screen. This is why most people don't see any point in WiS whatsoever-- it's just a slower, ugly way to accomplish what can be done on the side of the screen with one button press. WiS isn't any deeper than that- and thus, is really pointless to most eyes. It didn't change anything but HOW you get the menu pop up box. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:14:00 -
[2076] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: (snipped...)
What would be preferable is something far better that makes sense. Something that encourages engagements in multiple locations/systems simultaneously because they can be easily managed. Something that allows tactics other than the blob. Something that allows your scouts to give accurate reports instantly, without having to type out ship types lest they interrupt target calling on voice coms. Something that allows multiple FC's to manage separate engagements within a larger battle in a clear, organized manner and yet still be working closely together from the same interface and presentation of information. Something that doesn't require a quick shift to a back up FC if your main FC gets popped, assuming your back up FC is still in the fight.
Something that allows me to place a hidden bomb in said war room ahead of time, and then remotely detonate it, sending everyone involved to their clones while the fleet you were planning to engage pays me for the assassination hit... |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:24:00 -
[2077] - Quote
Convert WiS to a third person shooter environment with stationside combat missions and dialogue, then put in the extra crap like establishments and mini-games to support that architecture. They already said they wanted people to be able to disembark onto sleeper sites and do that kind of crap, which is basically the same thing. If that was part of the original vision, why the hell are people so obsessed with arguing over the NEX store and the garbage associated with it? It's like the anti-WiS people have so much tunnel vision on the issue they can't see anything else.
They basically just want moar ships and moar boring revamped mechanics over and over again, in a niche game that has nearly run its course. Let's face it, nullsec blob wars are always going to be time driven grinds that are basically no fun other than the fact you can take a dump in someone elses coffee. No change in sov mechanics is ever going to make the experience much better than that, and demanding that 100% of resources be poured into changing this over and over again is straight lunacy. Pure FiS people don't seem to actually want anything innovative put into their game at all, and that's pretty sad.
Why would anyone be opposed to combat areas for WiS? Shooting people in the face isn't exactly space barbie. Maybe some people are just bad at aiming and that's why they like spreadsheets online. /shrug |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:28:00 -
[2078] - Quote
Alaric Faelen wrote:Ranger1, a good post- but I do have to nit-pick on one point...
EVERYTHING in Eve is just a pop up menu box. That is the first thing that really struck me when I started playing-- that Eve is really just a series of pop up menus. So much so in fact that you could all but do away with the graphics of ships in space entirely.
I don't see how avatars will change that. You will simply walk with a robotic strut to a kiosk or something which will then open a menu box. This is exactly all that Incarna does now. You can sit on a sofa and click Agent Finder, or just do the same from the hangar screen- the result is identical.
This is my problem with FiS. Not the concept, but rather that it's just window dressing over a basic, boring mechanic. Eve is pop up menus, and all Incarna did was add ugly full body models skulking around to do what I can in a second with a mouse click on a button on the side of the screen. This is why most people don't see any point in WiS whatsoever-- it's just a slower, ugly way to accomplish what can be done on the side of the screen with one button press. WiS isn't any deeper than that- and thus, is really pointless to most eyes. It didn't change anything but HOW you get the menu pop up box. except dress up and o7m8 /dance One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:37:00 -
[2079] - Quote
i really despise grown assed men who giggle and enjoy looking at an avatar receiving a virtual lap dance from a pg-13 pixel exotic dancer, alt-tabbing out when the wife walks in the room yes you are god damn right i would rather conduct my god damn affairs ingame with right click menus and pop up menus One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:37:00 -
[2080] - Quote
Alaric Faelen wrote:Ranger1, a good post- but I do have to nit-pick on one point...
EVERYTHING in Eve is just a pop up menu box. That is the first thing that really struck me when I started playing-- that Eve is really just a series of pop up menus. So much so in fact that you could all but do away with the graphics of ships in space entirely.
I don't see how avatars will change that. You will simply walk with a robotic strut to a kiosk or something which will then open a menu box. This is exactly all that Incarna does now. You can sit on a sofa and click Agent Finder, or just do the same from the hangar screen- the result is identical.
This is my problem with FiS. Not the concept, but rather that it's just window dressing over a basic, boring mechanic. Eve is pop up menus, and all Incarna did was add ugly full body models skulking around to do what I can in a second with a mouse click on a button on the side of the screen. This is why most people don't see any point in WiS whatsoever-- it's just a slower, ugly way to accomplish what can be done on the side of the screen with one button press. WiS isn't any deeper than that- and thus, is really pointless to most eyes. It didn't change anything but HOW you get the menu pop up box.
Good point, however with Avatar based game play the door is opened to having much more than that. As originally outlined EVE voice was going to be closely tied with Incarna, and that connection was partially tied to the (currently very liimited) voice fonts available. Even NPC interaction becomes more engaging and believable.
Don't lose sight of the fact that all we have now is the most basic framework in place.
Even at it's most elementary level, what would you prefer... your agent verbally berates you and throws his shoe at you for failing that mission, or reading a text box that merely describes it happening?
(Overly simplistic example for illustrative purposes only disclaimer.) When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:43:00 -
[2081] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: (snipped...)
What would be preferable is something far better that makes sense. Something that encourages engagements in multiple locations/systems simultaneously because they can be easily managed. Something that allows tactics other than the blob. Something that allows your scouts to give accurate reports instantly, without having to type out ship types lest they interrupt target calling on voice coms. Something that allows multiple FC's to manage separate engagements within a larger battle in a clear, organized manner and yet still be working closely together from the same interface and presentation of information. Something that doesn't require a quick shift to a back up FC if your main FC gets popped, assuming your back up FC is still in the fight. Something that allows me to place a hidden bomb in said war room ahead of time, and then remotely detonate it, sending everyone involved to their clones while the fleet you were planning to engage pays me for the assassination hit...
While you probably meant that as a negative point, in fact that would be outstanding to many.
It could be argued that this scenario is little different from having your spys identifiy the FC's ahead of time and simply calling them primary, but wouldn't this be a lot more fun!
Of course, the advantage the FCs would have is that they would only have to get from the cloning chamber back to the C&C to pick up where they left off (unless the facilities were destroyed as well), while the FC's killed in space are effectively out of the picture until they can get a ship back to the scene of the battle.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:47:00 -
[2082] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Guttripper wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: (snipped...)
What would be preferable is something far better that makes sense. Something that encourages engagements in multiple locations/systems simultaneously because they can be easily managed. Something that allows tactics other than the blob. Something that allows your scouts to give accurate reports instantly, without having to type out ship types lest they interrupt target calling on voice coms. Something that allows multiple FC's to manage separate engagements within a larger battle in a clear, organized manner and yet still be working closely together from the same interface and presentation of information. Something that doesn't require a quick shift to a back up FC if your main FC gets popped, assuming your back up FC is still in the fight. Something that allows me to place a hidden bomb in said war room ahead of time, and then remotely detonate it, sending everyone involved to their clones while the fleet you were planning to engage pays me for the assassination hit... While you probably meant that as a negative point, in fact that would be outstanding to many. It could be argued that this scenario is little different from having your spys identifiy the FC's ahead of time and simply calling them primary, but wouldn't this be a lot more fun! Of course, the advantage the FCs would have is that they would only have to get from the cloning chamber back to the C&C to pick up where they left off (unless the facilities were destroyed as well), while the FC's killed in space are effectively out of the picture until they can get a ship back to the scene of the battle.
I'm pro WiS and this is a dumb idea tbh. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:55:00 -
[2083] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:i really despise grown assed men who giggle and enjoy looking at an avatar receiving a virtual lap dance from a pg-13 pixel exotic dancer, alt-tabbing out when the wife walks in the room yes you are god damn right i would rather conduct my god damn affairs ingame with right click menus and pop up menus
And of course, you would be perfectly fine in continuing to FC from your ship (I'll assume you have been an FC). Nobody would force you to use any of this. However, once your corp mates realize that your enemy is a hell of a lot more organized than you are you might catch a little grief for refusing to use the tools available.
I'll assume from your lack of intelligent comments and having resorted to personal attacks and generic memes that have nothing to do with the conversation that you have conceded the argument. Or are you going to continue arguing that the system described that would greatly enhance fleet battles with a station based C&C, is instead useless simply because it would have a logical tie in with Incarna. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:56:00 -
[2084] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Guttripper wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: (snipped...)
What would be preferable is something far better that makes sense. Something that encourages engagements in multiple locations/systems simultaneously because they can be easily managed. Something that allows tactics other than the blob. Something that allows your scouts to give accurate reports instantly, without having to type out ship types lest they interrupt target calling on voice coms. Something that allows multiple FC's to manage separate engagements within a larger battle in a clear, organized manner and yet still be working closely together from the same interface and presentation of information. Something that doesn't require a quick shift to a back up FC if your main FC gets popped, assuming your back up FC is still in the fight. Something that allows me to place a hidden bomb in said war room ahead of time, and then remotely detonate it, sending everyone involved to their clones while the fleet you were planning to engage pays me for the assassination hit... While you probably meant that as a negative point, in fact that would be outstanding to many. It could be argued that this scenario is little different from having your spys identifiy the FC's ahead of time and simply calling them primary, but wouldn't this be a lot more fun! Of course, the advantage the FCs would have is that they would only have to get from the cloning chamber back to the C&C to pick up where they left off (unless the facilities were destroyed as well), while the FC's killed in space are effectively out of the picture until they can get a ship back to the scene of the battle. I'm pro WiS and this is a dumb idea tbh.
Of course it is, but to many the main problem with Incarna is that you can't actually kill someone in it. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:59:00 -
[2085] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:My point, dear lady, is that I am clearly a happy person with a valid point of view while you are clearly a super sensitive brat who's only recourse is to throw about baseless personal insults like a child who didn't get their sweet roll.
Quoted for hilarity.
Wanting to play with internet spaceship barbie isn't a valid point of view. Sounds more like deep personal issues to me. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2011.12.30 18:00:00 -
[2086] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:While you probably meant that as a negative point, in fact that would be outstanding to many.
Actually, I was picturing your scenario when I remember watching a History Channel special about an opposition group that used a bomb in a failed attempt to destroy a certain German serial killer during World War 2 when he and his generals were gathered to discuss war strategies. From that point, I just molded the thought into an Eve related scenario with a touch of bounty thrown in for good measure.
Plus while I would not mind WIS to be added to game, it should not be detached from the core principle of Eve being a PVP game - no "safe" zones. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 18:05:00 -
[2087] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:While you probably meant that as a negative point, in fact that would be outstanding to many. Actually, I was picturing your scenario when I remember watching a History Channel special about an opposition group that used a bomb in a failed attempt to destroy a certain German serial killer during World War 2 when he and his generals were gathered to discuss war strategies. From that point, I just molded the thought into an Eve related scenario with a touch of bounty thrown in for good measure. Plus while I would not mind WIS to be added to game, it should not be detached from the core principle of Eve being a PVP game - no "safe" zones.
I'm right there with you, but since stations have always been regarded as the only truly safe haven's (at least as far as ship loss is concerned) in EVE, I"m afraid you'd have a riot on your hands if people no longer felt "safe" when docked.
Edit: Although it "would" be interesting if there were safe zones on the stations, say in public area's, where bloodshed is strictly not allowed upon pain of death. However when you were in "private" area's, such as your own corporate offices, meeting rooms, establishments you enjoyed no such protection.
"Meet me in a public place" would be a sentiment that would ring true. But anything similar would be a looooong time in coming. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
227
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Posted - 2011.12.30 18:12:00 -
[2088] - Quote
stupid forum. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
227
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Posted - 2011.12.30 18:12:00 -
[2089] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Cailais wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: i know i made the same comparison as well, but only in the most general sense, your desire for eve to have a literal representation of NORAD or CENTCOM is just misguided.
Id disagree with this view. There's an argument that fleet 'blobs' may occur as having an FC 'ead other players by the nose' is the only viable method of manoeuvring large fleets at the moment. If a higher 'strategic' perspective was available for commanders (i.e they could view the rough dispositions and status of multiple fleets over a broad area) then that approach would be used more. I certainly know players who have resorted to using print outs of DOTLAN maps and pins to try and achieve this (with moderate success). If you tie in the value of having a higher strategic perspective with the roll out of DUST514 additional tools for 'war planning and execution' would be a good thing - and WiS strikes me as a perfectly valid means of displaying and accessing that information. Why use WiS? It would at least provide a geography for players to navigate by - a virtual 3D UI if you like. It could be done with additional pop up windows but that's likely to become pretty chaotic and not all that immersive. C. how the hell is wis going to help with that? all we need is a better F10
What I'm thinking of goes beyond a simple F10 upgrade. I have in mind something closer to a full intel and battle planning suite - and when I refer to planning I mean something that allows players to generate long term plans.
For example consider a group of Alliance directors who want to plan out a forth coming campaign - pins in maps stuff - with current situation overlays representing own forces dispositions, known and suspected enemy forces, key strategic points (and so on and so forth). And all of this needs to be created collectively and then available to be 'displayed' in some fashion to various levels below those directors.
I personally think this would be useful to a large number of players, corporations and alliances.
WiS as an area in which to deliver that sort of content makes sense on a number of levels, delivering an actual purpose to WiS environments and integrating that with EVEs FiS play.
In short WiS exists - why not make genuine use of it?
C.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.30 18:45:00 -
[2090] - Quote
Cailais wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Cailais wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: i know i made the same comparison as well, but only in the most general sense, your desire for eve to have a literal representation of NORAD or CENTCOM is just misguided.
Id disagree with this view. There's an argument that fleet 'blobs' may occur as having an FC 'ead other players by the nose' is the only viable method of manoeuvring large fleets at the moment. If a higher 'strategic' perspective was available for commanders (i.e they could view the rough dispositions and status of multiple fleets over a broad area) then that approach would be used more. I certainly know players who have resorted to using print outs of DOTLAN maps and pins to try and achieve this (with moderate success). If you tie in the value of having a higher strategic perspective with the roll out of DUST514 additional tools for 'war planning and execution' would be a good thing - and WiS strikes me as a perfectly valid means of displaying and accessing that information. Why use WiS? It would at least provide a geography for players to navigate by - a virtual 3D UI if you like. It could be done with additional pop up windows but that's likely to become pretty chaotic and not all that immersive. C. how the hell is wis going to help with that? all we need is a better F10 What I'm thinking of goes beyond a simple F10 upgrade. I have in mind something closer to a full intel and battle planning suite - and when I refer to planning I mean something that allows players to generate long term plans. For example consider a group of Alliance directors who want to plan out a forth coming campaign - pins in maps stuff - with current situation overlays representing own forces dispositions, known and suspected enemy forces, key strategic points (and so on and so forth). And all of this needs to be created collectively and then available to be 'displayed' in some fashion to various levels below those directors. I personally think this would be useful to a large number of players, corporations and alliances. WiS as an area in which to deliver that sort of content makes sense on a number of levels, delivering an actual purpose to WiS environments and integrating that with EVEs FiS play. In short WiS exists - why not make genuine use of it? C.
Nice.
While I was thinking of a more tactical C&C area, you were thinking of it as more of a strategic planning center... with tools appropriate for the task being available.
Of course, the same space and shared map capabilities could be used for either purpose... so I suppose it would just be best to call it what everyone will end up calling it anyway... the War Room.
Excellent post! When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.30 19:09:00 -
[2091] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Kuronaga wrote:My point, dear lady, is that I am clearly a happy person with a valid point of view while you are clearly a super sensitive brat who's only recourse is to throw about baseless personal insults like a child who didn't get their sweet roll. Quoted for hilarity. Wanting to play with internet spaceship barbie isn't a valid point of view. Sounds more like deep personal issues to me.
I don't recall ever supporting space barbies. That sounds like a misconception derived from a person who, ironically enough, has a space barbie for a character.
What I supported was WiS content, which includes bars, games with betting, missions, killing people, smuggling, etc. Not anywhere in that do I have space barbie a part of the equation. That's something ignorant fellows such as yourself cooked up because you need something to argue about and hate on. And also because you have a small ***** and are trying to compensate with your spaceship.
But please, continue posting. It's fun hearing you argue a point of view that doesn't exist, with rebuttals that have nothing to do with the game. If I had to score your argument I'd say you're at least three points ahead of the fatty. |
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2011.12.30 19:39:00 -
[2092] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vallek Arkonnis wrote:I like many others don't want FiS to be sidelined to the point of being broken. That being said, I want WiS to be fleshed out. You will always have very vocal WiS haters that are afraid of change that will see ANY WOD and DUST development as time that could have been spent on EVE. fixed that for you
And it's wrong for a game developer to develop more than one game because... ?
Just because you're married to one video game doesn't mean game developers should be. Did Incarna not deliver to the hype? Obviously. Were there bugs and balance issues with eve in general that should have been fixed a long time ago? Of course. But let's get one thing straight; there will always be bugs and always be people who ***** about any little thing. Dedicating time and resources to create new products is not a bad thing and it's naive bratiness to think otherwise. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.30 20:36:00 -
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Vallek Arkonnis wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vallek Arkonnis wrote:I like many others don't want FiS to be sidelined to the point of being broken. That being said, I want WiS to be fleshed out. You will always have very vocal WiS haters that are afraid of change that will see ANY WOD and DUST development as time that could have been spent on EVE. fixed that for you And it's wrong for a game developer to develop more than one game because... ? Just because you're married to one video game doesn't mean game developers should be. Did Incarna not deliver to the hype? Obviously. Were there bugs and balance issues with eve in general that should have been fixed a long time ago? Of course. But let's get one thing straight; there will always be bugs and always be people who ***** about any little thing. Dedicating time and resources to create new products is not a bad thing and it's naive bratiness to think otherwise.
Where did i ever mention that i don,t want them make more Games
All this hate for WIS comes from a period where EVE was neglected in favor for other games add the fail to deliver some of the promised big features and of course the rage about RMT related NEX
So i changed the quote according to that nothing more ,nothing less
And about the NEX, So NEX will not have P2W items in it,according to CCP DUST surely will have P2W items DUST will be linked to EVE in the future ,so EVE will be P2W indirectly
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2011.12.30 21:02:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vallek Arkonnis wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vallek Arkonnis wrote:I like many others don't want FiS to be sidelined to the point of being broken. That being said, I want WiS to be fleshed out. You will always have very vocal WiS haters that are afraid of change that will see ANY WOD and DUST development as time that could have been spent on EVE. fixed that for you And it's wrong for a game developer to develop more than one game because... ? Just because you're married to one video game doesn't mean game developers should be. Did Incarna not deliver to the hype? Obviously. Were there bugs and balance issues with eve in general that should have been fixed a long time ago? Of course. But let's get one thing straight; there will always be bugs and always be people who ***** about any little thing. Dedicating time and resources to create new products is not a bad thing and it's naive bratiness to think otherwise. Where did i ever mention that i don,t want them make more Games All this hate for WIS comes from a period where EVE was neglected in favor for other games add the fail to deliver some of the promised big features and of course the rage about RMT related NEX So i changed the quote according to that nothing more ,nothing less And about the NEX, So NEX will not have P2W items in it,according to CCP DUST surely will have P2W items DUST will be linked to EVE in the future ,so EVE will be P2W indirectly How is DUST going to be P2W? If that is the case then EvE is already P2W. DUST is going to use ISK and PLEX in the same way that EvE does. How is this different at all? They have stated this on numerous occasions and have also stated that the ISK used in EvE can be transferred to a character in DUST. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2011.12.31 03:27:00 -
[2095] - Quote
No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.
WIS is shitcanned.
Deal with it.
P.S. lol space barbie
P.P.S. lol roleplayers |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.31 04:03:00 -
[2096] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.
WIS is shitcanned.
Deal with it.
P.S. lol space barbie
P.P.S. lol roleplayers
No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.
FiS is stagnating.
Deal with it.
P.S. lol spaceships
P.P.S. lol e-thugs |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2011.12.31 04:11:00 -
[2097] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.
WIS is shitcanned.
Deal with it.
P.S. lol space barbie
P.P.S. lol roleplayers No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember. FiS is stagnating. Deal with it. P.S. lol spaceships P.P.S. lol e-thugs
I suggest you read the patch notes for Crucible. What did you get for WiS?
Take your time. I can wait. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.31 04:51:00 -
[2098] - Quote
Quote:I suggest you read the patch notes for Crucible. What did you get for WiS?
Take your time. I can wait.
3 new Captains Quarters actually.
I know, I know, they were pretty much done already... but at least they got finished.
Oh, some Incarna performance and lighting fixes, more Avatar items loaded into the data base (but not yet available), hmmm I think that's about it this time around.
Pretty much what was expected. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.31 04:54:00 -
[2099] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.
WIS is shitcanned.
Deal with it.
P.S. lol space barbie
P.P.S. lol roleplayers No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember. Deal with it. P.S. lol space role players P.P.S. lol role player
fixed.. since everyone is roleplayer. If not i am seriously concerned about human-kind. EVE works, have worked, and spoiled brats keep talking about golden ammo because they read some document which is totally unrelated to anything and created some awesome "tinfoil hattery" and rage-quitted. Then they come back for no reason whatsoever, since nothing really changed their game-play. They just have enough time to chill out, but it seems some still hold an grudge
Anyway for Crucible they got three times more then in INCARNA.. still no WiS tho. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.31 05:06:00 -
[2100] - Quote
3 new cqs, the bone ccp threw at you beggers, and the last of it oh and maybe some new clothes that you can buy if you're dumb One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.31 05:08:00 -
[2101] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:3 new cqs, the bone ccp threw at you beggers, and the last of it oh and maybe some new clothes that you can buy if you're dumb
We all are, otherwise we would be dead. Go figure.. There is some wisdom in that sentence. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.31 05:17:00 -
[2102] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:3 new cqs, the bone ccp threw at you beggers, and the last of it oh and maybe some new clothes that you can buy if you're dumb
If we were dumb we wouldn't know how to spell beggar.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.31 05:23:00 -
[2103] - Quote
oh is that a monocle, what was i talking about again? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Bail Boo
4
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Posted - 2011.12.31 05:27:00 -
[2104] - Quote
Just let us see each others clothes, at least! it's a multiplayer game Party, Marty. Party. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.31 05:28:00 -
[2105] - Quote
Bail Boo wrote:Just let us see each others clothes, at least! it's a multiplayer game
you can do that now.. .whole avatar view is available.. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2011.12.31 06:48:00 -
[2106] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.
WIS is shitcanned.
Deal with it.
P.S. lol space barbie
P.P.S. lol roleplayers No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember. FiS is stagnating. Deal with it. P.S. lol spaceships P.P.S. lol e-thugs
WIS went down the shitter, CCP announced they will refocus on the real game. FIS was only stagnating because CCP neglected it during the space barbie brain fart, if they keep their promises FIS should get a lot of improvements over the next few expansions.
P.S lol spaceships you say? you started playing a spaceship game, because you are not satisfied you want CCP to ruin the core game because you chose the wrong game in the first place? Thats as pants on head ******** as going to play WoW and then demanding spaceships.
P.P.S I Know the mayor of Boston. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.31 08:19:00 -
[2107] - Quote
Quote:because you are not satisfied you want CCP to ruin the core game
Quoting the part where you lost all credibility. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.31 09:16:00 -
[2108] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.
WIS is shitcanned.
Deal with it.
P.S. lol space barbie
P.P.S. lol roleplayers No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember. FiS is stagnating. Deal with it. P.S. lol spaceships P.P.S. lol e-thugs WIS went down the shitter, CCP announced they will refocus on the real game. FIS was only stagnating because CCP neglected it during the space barbie brain fart, if they keep their promises FIS should get a lot of improvements over the next few expansions. P.S lol spaceships you say? you started playing a spaceship game, because you are not satisfied you want CCP to ruin the core game because you chose the wrong game in the first place? Thats as pants on head ******** as going to play WoW and then demanding spaceships. P.P.S I Know the mayor of Boston.
and what's the core game according to you in EVE ? I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Boffles
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.12.31 12:15:00 -
[2109] - Quote
I support the call for WiS to be completed. I understand CCP need to concentrate on FiS, but donGÇÖt forget this. There is so much potential, especially when we will be finally able to walk through the door. I really want to own a bar or shop and maybe give out undercover missions of my own.
Now for the part I hope I will be forgiven for. Think of it as a reward to all you loyal wishers for Wis. Check out my post in myEvE for a WiS video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkl3IAivUUE
MyEve Post |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
291
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Posted - 2011.12.31 16:53:00 -
[2110] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.
WIS is shitcanned.
Deal with it.
P.S. lol space barbie
P.P.S. lol roleplayers No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember. FiS is stagnating. Deal with it. P.S. lol spaceships P.P.S. lol e-thugs WIS went down the shitter, CCP announced they will refocus on the real game. FIS was only stagnating because CCP neglected it during the space barbie brain fart, if they keep their promises FIS should get a lot of improvements over the next few expansions. P.S lol spaceships you say? you started playing a spaceship game, because you are not satisfied you want CCP to ruin the core game because you chose the wrong game in the first place? Thats as pants on head ******** as going to play WoW and then demanding spaceships. P.P.S I Know the mayor of Boston.
The old and stupid space-barbie argument *yawn*.
Try to grow up a bit and in a few years you might be mature enough to return to EVE, in the meantime I recommend cancelling your subscription.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2011.12.31 17:12:00 -
[2111] - Quote
Deviana Sevidon wrote:Try to grow up a bit and in a few years you might be mature enough to return to EVE, in the meantime I recommend cancelling your subscription.
Why would I quit? The sub is peanuts for two accounts and WIS has been shitcanned and CCP are focusing on the real game, life is good. Regarding maturity, I am not the one crying my eyes out because dress up the dolly has been cancelled. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.31 19:02:00 -
[2112] - Quote
oh god i am so drunk now but cheers happy new year see you around same time next year, wis still shitcanned, fis supremacy suck it o7m8ers One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2011.12.31 19:21:00 -
[2113] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:Try to grow up a bit and in a few years you might be mature enough to return to EVE, in the meantime I recommend cancelling your subscription. Why would I quit? The sub is peanuts for two accounts and WIS has been shitcanned and CCP are focusing on the real game, life is good. Regarding maturity, I am not the one crying my eyes out because dress up the dolly has been cancelled.
So I guess corporate emblems and custom paint jobs are also immature seeing as they're just playing dress-up as well. I can't wait for the tears when that stuff hits the NeX store. |
Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
75
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Posted - 2011.12.31 19:28:00 -
[2114] - Quote
Suggestion: make incarna a free to play addon for EVE. If you want to fly spaceships, trade with buy and sell orders, produce things (all those things that casuleers do) you need a subscription or a plex, but if you content of walking in the sation corridors, you can do it for free. For putting up establishments and incarna related stuff, pay with aurum.
Put a courier system in the game that allows you to clone in another station. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
764
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Posted - 2011.12.31 19:29:00 -
[2115] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
P.P.S I Know the mayor of Boston.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2011.12.31 20:26:00 -
[2116] - Quote
Camios wrote:Suggestion: make incarna a free to play addon for EVE. If you want to fly spaceships, trade with buy and sell orders, produce things (all those things that casuleers do) you need a subscription or a plex, but if you content of walking in the sation corridors, you can do it for free. For putting up establishments and incarna related stuff, pay with aurum.
Put a courier system in the game that allows you to clone in another station.
I won't comment directly on the merits or short comings of your idea, but +1 for putting out an open minded idea.
But for anything to happen on this front, no matter which way it would go, two things would have to happen.
1: A proper plan for game play development goals and reasonable allocation of developer resources that don't ignore the pre-existing area's of the game would have to be agreed upon.
2: Work on this would actually need to be resumed at some point.
That, ultimately, is the main point of this thread. To express the point of view that while pretty much everyone is not pleased with how things have been handled so far, the core concept and technology developed to support it has merit and should not be abandoned... instead (once damage repair is done) development should continue in a reasonable and responsible way. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2011.12.31 20:34:00 -
[2117] - Quote
Vallek Arkonnis wrote: I can't wait for the tears when that stuff hits the NeX store.
I highlighted the really relevant part, basic ship customisation should never be in the NeX store. Being able to customise a ships paint job and adding a corp or alliance logo should be part of the game without extra charges.
We already pay a premium for EVE game time compared to other popular MMORPGs. Every other MMO also comes with basic customisation, there is no reason EVE should be different other than greed. We pay more to play the game in the first place, being charged for something that should be integral to the game in the first place is going to far.
I am not against the NeX store for "additional" extras, maybe more character slots per account, name or bloodline changes and possibly other things like fancy space book titles or features, CCP could also make and sell smartphone and tablet apps for PLEX or other creative things. Neither would I object to being able to buy ships like the Ishukone watch Scorpion or a Roden Megathron as long as the stats are the same as the standard versions, or even special ships similar to the Opus yacht as long as it would basically be very underpowered and have no special role to make sure it would never be an advantage. Ships like the yacht could have the stats of a basic cruiser and just be eye candy.
But any item NeX objects should also only come either by BPC or by exchanging items for them, players should be involved in the manufacturing process. Paints and other things could come from PI processes and ships via the usual way. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2011.12.31 20:57:00 -
[2118] - Quote
The post-Crucible survey is on, everyone who wants more WiS go take it! Make our voice be heard!
Post-Crucible Survey EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.01 00:20:00 -
[2119] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.
WIS is shitcanned.
Deal with it.
P.S. lol space barbie
P.P.S. lol roleplayers No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember. FiS is stagnating. Deal with it. P.S. lol spaceships P.P.S. lol e-thugs WIS went down the shitter, CCP announced they will refocus on the real game. FIS was only stagnating because CCP neglected it during the space barbie brain fart, if they keep their promises FIS should get a lot of improvements over the next few expansions. P.S lol spaceships you say? you started playing a spaceship game, because you are not satisfied you want CCP to ruin the core game because you chose the wrong game in the first place? Thats as pants on head ******** as going to play WoW and then demanding spaceships. P.P.S I Know the mayor of Boston.
FiS is stagnating because war is always a slow grind that serves very little real purpose to gigantic botting empires. If you remove the grind aspect of the war and change the timer mechanics, you end up making it impossible to consistently hold territory and therefore break the game further. As such, your game will always suck in some regards, and you will always be complaining that it isn't good enough.
They can tweak the mechanics left right and center, it will always be the same thing wearing a different mask, and you will always be dissatisfied.
P.S. I started playing a scifi sandbox game with the capacity for war. I never once limited the scope of that to spaceships, especially when the developers spoke early on that they didn't either. It was individuals such as yourself that have done so against all logic, because of some strange fetish you seem to have with spaceships. You ignored what was being said throughout the years, that was your error. Everything isn't about you, sorry.
P.P.S. Where's my controller? |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
83
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Posted - 2012.01.01 00:36:00 -
[2120] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Vallek Arkonnis wrote: I can't wait for the tears when that stuff hits the NeX store. I highlighted the really relevant part, basic ship customisation should never be in the NeX store. Being able to customise a ships paint job and adding a corp or alliance logo should be part of the game without extra charges. We already pay a premium for EVE game time compared to other popular MMORPGs. Every other MMO also comes with basic customisation, there is no reason EVE should be different other than greed. We pay more to play the game in the first place, being charged for something that should be integral to the game in the first place is going to far.
I agree with this part.
Eve subscription may not be a whole lot but it sure as hell should be enough to cover the entire game. Some wise man in another thread once said it best: any cash shop in a pay to play game is wrong.
Just burn NeX. |
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.01 02:08:00 -
[2121] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:FiS is stagnating because war is always a slow grind that serves very little real purpose to gigantic botting empires. If you remove the grind aspect of the war and change the timer mechanics, you end up making it impossible to consistently hold territory and therefore break the game further. As such, your game will always suck in some regards, and you will always be complaining that it isn't good enough.
They can tweak the mechanics left right and center, it will always be the same thing wearing a different mask, and you will always be dissatisfied.
P.S. I started playing a scifi sandbox game with the capacity for war. I never once limited the scope of that to spaceships, especially when the developers spoke early on that they didn't either. It was individuals such as yourself that have done so against all logic, because of some strange fetish you seem to have with spaceships. You ignored what was being said throughout the years, that was your error. Everything isn't about you, sorry.
P.P.S. Where's my controller?
In truth I am not as against WIS as I sometimes make out, if CCP where capable of making meaningful station side game play that actually added something to the game and be able to do it with out neglecting the rest of EVE I would be really excited about it.
But they cannot, they neglected the game for years and all we got out of it was a single dingy room. Even if CCP managed to finish what they said would be in Incarna it would have meant longer than three years of unfinished features, minimal game balancing and broken gameplay (in certain specific areas) just so we could have a few minigames and a virtual bar for RPers whilst CCP tried to suck as much money out of our pockets as they could.
Do no try any bullshit about iteration or "that's only the beginning" because we all know how well CCP iterate on existing features, the evidence is everywhere. CCP have proven they are incapable of delivering any kind of worthwhile non spaceship gameplay. Dress up the dolly, lol RP and minigames is simply not enough. To begin with it needs to follow along the lines of the rest of EVEs gameplay and consist of industry and both PvE & PvP combat, then thats a good basis for the minigames and lol RP.
Secondly it would have to be player driven, no items simply spawned everything should be manufactured. Finally if there are any micro transactions they need to be sensibly priced and not a blatant attempt to rip the playerbase off.
Bischopt wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Vallek Arkonnis wrote: I can't wait for the tears when that stuff hits the NeX store. I highlighted the really relevant part, basic ship customisation should never be in the NeX store. Being able to customise a ships paint job and adding a corp or alliance logo should be part of the game without extra charges. We already pay a premium for EVE game time compared to other popular MMORPGs. Every other MMO also comes with basic customisation, there is no reason EVE should be different other than greed. We pay more to play the game in the first place, being charged for something that should be integral to the game in the first place is going to far. I agree with this part. Eve subscription may not be a whole lot but it sure as hell should be enough to cover the entire game. Some wise man in another thread once said it best: any cash shop in a pay to play game is wrong. Just burn NeX.
I cannot remember who first came up with this but it was basically that some games micro transactions are like walking down a road and seeing potholes all over, then you look in the cash shop and see they have buckets of tar for sale.
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.01 02:54:00 -
[2122] - Quote
Quote:In truth I am not as against WIS as I sometimes make out, if CCP where capable of making meaningful station side game play that actually added something to the game and be able to do it with out neglecting the rest of EVE I would be really excited about it.
That's all we're asking for. And yes, you are right to despair at the horrifying incompetence that was shown at the 1 room in 3 years.
Do note though, there was another build at one point with a lot more actual working content before they decided to build a new engine. People were actually able to play it at one of the fanfests. That alone did show that it can be done. So why wasn't it? Good ******* question.
Between building a new engine from scratch, the push for MT garbage, WoD taking such a huge chunk of the staff and the further mismanagement of available resources... the answer lies somewhere between all of these.
We know a lot more work has actually been done, and station environments have been constructed that we are not able to play yet. We know this because establishments have been internally playtested, and we were told they were not very fun with their current implementation so they decided not to run with it for crucible.
So two things are holding them back now.
The first is the lack of a good plan that will satisfy many of the players without pissing off the other half, and the second is people who are jumping on the "I hate WiS because someone told me to" bandwagon.
Both of these problems are fixed when people hop off the bandwagon of hatred and ignorance and start telling CCP what they actually want out of WiS. The sooner this gets done the better, because right now it's obvious they don't really have a plan anymore.
Yes, CCP seriously blew it and wasted 3 years of our time. Yes, we're just as pissed off at them as you are for neglecting other aspects of the game while they did that. We are ALL playing the same game and feel this **** the same as you. but what is done is done. To let that three years of bullshit be for nothing is just insanity now. WiS is in the game, we need to push for it to actually be relevant now.
We also need to push for **** like cosmos, for FW, for half the **** they cut out of dominion, for half the **** they cut out of tyrannis, etc. Even if some of that **** didn't matter to you, it mattered to someone who patiently waited for it. We are all victims of the same cycle of stupidity, and nobody should get left out in the cold on this. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
121
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Posted - 2012.01.01 03:05:00 -
[2123] - Quote
As someone who was looking forward to Ambulation, then Incarna for ~2 years, I have to say being locked in a room with a view of my ship was more or less intriguing, but not very fun. Incarna is more than Ambulation in its current form, but a lot less than the original idea was presented.
I really would like to see the day when players huddle together over game tables in cantinas to pass the time. More in some areas than others of course, and certainly not in preference to playing with ships in space. I mean the social activity that doesn't quite include mashing peoples faces in over fitting requirements and other such things.
So maybe Incarna/WiS is a long ways off. I'm willing to wait for a quality product to be released, and enjoy whatever comes with it when it does. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.01 03:09:00 -
[2124] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:As someone who was looking forward to Ambulation, then Incarna for ~2 years, I have to say being locked in a room with a view of my ship was more or less intriguing, but not very fun. Incarna is more than Ambulation in its current form, but a lot less than the original idea was presented.
I really would like to see the day when players huddle together over game tables in cantinas to pass the time. More in some areas than others of course, and certainly not in preference to playing with ships in space. I mean the social activity that doesn't quite include mashing peoples faces in over fitting requirements and other such things.
So maybe Incarna/WiS is a long ways off. I'm willing to wait for a quality product to be released, and enjoy whatever comes with it when it does.
You should tell them what it is you actually want. Apparently their own game designers haven't got a clue, and if you leave it to them you could end up waiting a very long time indeed. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.01 07:25:00 -
[2125] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote: You should tell them what it is you actually want. Apparently their own game designers haven't got a clue, and if you leave it to them you could end up waiting a very long time indeed.
They got a big clue when they lost a ton of subscribers after releasing Incarna. They got the message that when they ignore actual Eve content they lose money. Hopefully they don't forget that any time soon.
A few people are really emotional about the ability to play dress up with their avatar but emotion doesn't count for much when it means a huge reduction in money coming in. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.01 07:36:00 -
[2126] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote: You should tell them what it is you actually want. Apparently their own game designers haven't got a clue, and if you leave it to them you could end up waiting a very long time indeed.
They got a big clue when they lost a ton of subscribers after releasing Incarna. They got the message that when they ignore actual Eve content they lose money. Hopefully they don't forget that any time soon. A few people are really emotional about the ability to play dress up with their avatar but emotion doesn't count for much when it means a huge reduction in money coming in.
Love how you twist everything around, like how you continue to keep this thread alive, hate how you keep mistaking WiS for Incarna.
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Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
124
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Posted - 2012.01.01 07:38:00 -
[2127] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:A few people are really emotional about the ability to play dress up with their avatar but emotion doesn't count for much when it means a huge reduction in money coming in. I really like the idea of WiS. It would add a whole new layer of interaction though I do see that it's a game not a social interaction tool. That being said, common sense would think that they could've implemented the whole WiS that they promised in 18 months instead of 1 CQ even with only 5 people working on it. Oh well, this is CCP. They are the masters of mysteries. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.01 07:38:00 -
[2128] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote: You should tell them what it is you actually want. Apparently their own game designers haven't got a clue, and if you leave it to them you could end up waiting a very long time indeed.
They got a big clue when they lost a ton of subscribers after releasing Incarna. They got the message that when they ignore actual Eve content they lose money. Hopefully they don't forget that any time soon. A few people are really emotional about the ability to play dress up with their avatar but emotion doesn't count for much when it means a huge reduction in money coming in. Love how you twist everything around, like how you continue to keep this thread alive, hate how you keep mistaking WiS for Incarna.
I love how desperate you are for Incarna. Like a prisoner in a gas chamber, gasping for air... I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.01 07:43:00 -
[2129] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Love how you twist everything around, like how you continue to keep this thread alive, hate how you keep mistaking WiS for Incarna.
Do you know who else equates WiS with Incarna?
CCP. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.01 07:44:00 -
[2130] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:I love how desperate you are for Incarna. Like a prisoner in a gas chamber, gasping for air... It's getting a little creepy seeing how obsessed people are with something that almost killed the game they claim to love so much.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.01 08:12:00 -
[2131] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Alpheias wrote:I love how desperate you are for Incarna. Like a prisoner in a gas chamber, gasping for air... It's getting a little creepy seeing how obsessed people are with something that almost killed the game they claim to love so much.
You don't have to tell me... but I am glad that CCP came to their senses, in the 11th hour. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.01 09:23:00 -
[2132] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote: You should tell them what it is you actually want. Apparently their own game designers haven't got a clue, and if you leave it to them you could end up waiting a very long time indeed.
They got a big clue when they lost a ton of subscribers after releasing Incarna. They got the message that when they ignore actual Eve content they lose money. Hopefully they don't forget that any time soon. A few people are really emotional about the ability to play dress up with their avatar but emotion doesn't count for much when it means a huge reduction in money coming in. Love how you twist everything around, like how you continue to keep this thread alive, hate how you keep mistaking WiS for Incarna. I love how desperate you are for Incarna. Like a prisoner in a gas chamber, gasping for air...
You forget to activate your second braincell again,did you?
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.01 09:28:00 -
[2133] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Alpheias wrote:I love how desperate you are for Incarna. Like a prisoner in a gas chamber, gasping for air... It's getting a little creepy seeing how obsessed people are with something that almost killed the game they claim to love so much.
WIS didn,t almost kill the game ,a few other things did. With all respect ,you seem to have a lack of memory
Anyway its 1-1-2012 happy newyear everybody = WIS/FIS lovers and haters and of course CCP employees I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2012.01.01 10:10:00 -
[2134] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Mars Theran wrote:As someone who was looking forward to Ambulation, then Incarna for ~2 years, I have to say being locked in a room with a view of my ship was more or less intriguing, but not very fun. Incarna is more than Ambulation in its current form, but a lot less than the original idea was presented.
I really would like to see the day when players huddle together over game tables in cantinas to pass the time. More in some areas than others of course, and certainly not in preference to playing with ships in space. I mean the social activity that doesn't quite include mashing peoples faces in over fitting requirements and other such things.
So maybe Incarna/WiS is a long ways off. I'm willing to wait for a quality product to be released, and enjoy whatever comes with it when it does. You should tell them what it is you actually want. Apparently their own game designers haven't got a clue, and if you leave it to them you could end up waiting a very long time indeed.
First there should be someone at the other side of the line. So far we are talking to noone (and yet I forwarded a few ideas that could be undertaken by Team BFF for the Summer release).
We are asking for a bloody interlocutor, because we want WiS and want it to meet our expectations, and how can that happen when CCP is not even answering to this thread?
And if they abandoned WiS with no ETA to come back to it, then they should stop wasting our time, put it forward and allow us to make an informed decission. ANY NEWS would be better than this wall of silence.
And certainly would be less dangerous to a company who already earned a bad fame for not listening to customers. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
|
Posted - 2012.01.01 11:51:00 -
[2135] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Alpheias wrote:I love how desperate you are for Incarna. Like a prisoner in a gas chamber, gasping for air... It's getting a little creepy seeing how obsessed people are with something that almost killed the game they claim to love so much. You don't have to tell me... but I am glad that CCP came to their senses, in the 11th hour.
Never said I was desperate for WiS. I definitely didn't like Incarna. I do like the idea of WiS and the potential content it can add to the game.
The only desperate people I see here are the two of you, constantly posting your own negative thoughts while trying to persuade others into thinking the same. What's really creepy is how obsessed you two are with posting in this thread.
How about logging into the game once in a while and try out some of the FiS that you're always ranting about instead of stalking this thread?
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2012.01.01 12:12:00 -
[2136] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:(...)
The only desperate people I see here are the two of you, constantly posting your own negative thoughts while trying to persuade others into thinking the same. What's really creepy is how obsessed you two are with posting in this thread.
How about logging into the game once in a while and try out some of the FiS that you're always ranting about instead of stalking this thread?
Yep, I wonder what's their excuse... I am playing X3 Albion Prelude & only log in here and to switch the training queue (this -and my cancelled main- is what you get without WiS, without new solo gameplay, and without new casual gameplay for 3 years). EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.01.01 12:22:00 -
[2137] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:(...)
The only desperate people I see here are the two of you, constantly posting your own negative thoughts while trying to persuade others into thinking the same. What's really creepy is how obsessed you two are with posting in this thread.
How about logging into the game once in a while and try out some of the FiS that you're always ranting about instead of stalking this thread?
Yep, I wonder what's their excuse... I am playing X3 Albion Prelude & only log in here and to switch the training queue (this -and my cancelled main- is what you get without WiS, without new solo gameplay, and without new casual gameplay for 3 years).
wow look at all the fuckks given about you unsubbing One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2012.01.01 12:31:00 -
[2138] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:(...)
The only desperate people I see here are the two of you, constantly posting your own negative thoughts while trying to persuade others into thinking the same. What's really creepy is how obsessed you two are with posting in this thread.
How about logging into the game once in a while and try out some of the FiS that you're always ranting about instead of stalking this thread?
Yep, I wonder what's their excuse... I am playing X3 Albion Prelude & only log in here and to switch the training queue (this -and my cancelled main- is what you get without WiS, without new solo gameplay, and without new casual gameplay for 3 years). wow look at all the fuckks given about you unsubbing
Why aren't you FiS'n rather than posting here? i am watching Vienna's New Year Concert on the TV and once it ends i'll go back to exploring the X-universe in my Kestrel, plotting gates and jump beacons for my heavier ships. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.01 12:31:00 -
[2139] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
How about logging into the game once in a while and try out some of the FiS that you're always ranting about instead of stalking this thread?
Oh, I do. With alts. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.01 12:45:00 -
[2140] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:(...)
The only desperate people I see here are the two of you, constantly posting your own negative thoughts while trying to persuade others into thinking the same. What's really creepy is how obsessed you two are with posting in this thread.
How about logging into the game once in a while and try out some of the FiS that you're always ranting about instead of stalking this thread?
Yep, I wonder what's their excuse... I am playing X3 Albion Prelude & only log in here and to switch the training queue (this -and my cancelled main- is what you get without WiS, without new solo gameplay, and without new casual gameplay for 3 years). wow look at all the fuckks given about you unsubbing Why aren't you FiS'n rather than posting here? i am watching Vienna's New Year Concert on the TV and once it ends i'll go back to exploring the X-universe in my Kestrel, plotting gates and jump beacons for my heavier ships. TMI save it for your facebook checkins, again, no fuckks given about what you are doing One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2012.01.01 12:46:00 -
[2141] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
How about logging into the game once in a while and try out some of the FiS that you're always ranting about instead of stalking this thread?
Oh, I do. With alts.
Huh... so you have your alts botting while you post here? Interesting. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
|
Posted - 2012.01.01 12:53:00 -
[2142] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:(...)
The only desperate people I see here are the two of you, constantly posting your own negative thoughts while trying to persuade others into thinking the same. What's really creepy is how obsessed you two are with posting in this thread.
How about logging into the game once in a while and try out some of the FiS that you're always ranting about instead of stalking this thread?
Yep, I wonder what's their excuse... I am playing X3 Albion Prelude & only log in here and to switch the training queue (this -and my cancelled main- is what you get without WiS, without new solo gameplay, and without new casual gameplay for 3 years). wow look at all the fuckks given about you unsubbing Why aren't you FiS'n rather than posting here? i am watching Vienna's New Year Concert on the TV and once it ends i'll go back to exploring the X-universe in my Kestrel, plotting gates and jump beacons for my heavier ships. TMI save it for your facebook checkins, again, no fuckks given about what you are doing
Continue with the language and it's 'Report' time. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.01 13:00:00 -
[2143] - Quote
Quote: Continue with the language and it's 'Report' time.
nah let him He is actually keeping this thread alive
i think he wants WIS so bad,but doesn,t want to loose face about the remarks he made so the only thing left for him ,is to reply with remarks that make no sense at all I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.01.01 13:21:00 -
[2144] - Quote
yeah i want wis so bad just look at my sig One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.01 13:23:00 -
[2145] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Alpheias wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
How about logging into the game once in a while and try out some of the FiS that you're always ranting about instead of stalking this thread?
Oh, I do. With alts. Huh... so you have your alts botting while you post here? Interesting.
Speak for yourself, ms. "looking for an excuse to quit EVE". I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.01 13:25:00 -
[2146] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Quote: Continue with the language and it's 'Report' time.
nah let him He is actually keeping this thread alive i think he wants WIS so bad,but doesn,t want to loose face about the remarks he made so the only thing left for him ,is to reply with remarks that make no sense at all
That's another way to look at it.................Still though, he might wanna take a look at Forum Rule #11.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.01 13:29:00 -
[2147] - Quote
i am a pillar of this goddamn thread, i am above the rules One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Savantine
Gladius Veritatis Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2012.01.01 14:24:00 -
[2148] - Quote
Maybe instead of walk in stations how about walk in ship. Create and train a ship crew and interact with the crew while aboard the ship. Each crew member performs a role. turret gunner, etc. Would take co-op conbat to a new level if multiple pilots were controlling a single ship. When one lacks real players to crew up a ship, AI takes over. bllah, blah, blah. Kind of like dueling player owned stations- just ships instead. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:02:00 -
[2149] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:yeah i want wis so bad just look at my sig
yep like i said ,makes no sense at all I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
J Kunjeh
383
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:05:00 -
[2150] - Quote
Savantine wrote:Maybe instead of walk in stations how about walk in ship. Create and train a ship crew and interact with the crew while aboard the ship. Each crew member performs a role. turret gunner, etc. Would take co-op conbat to a new level if multiple pilots were controlling a single ship. When one lacks real players to crew up a ship, AI takes over. bllah, blah, blah. Kind of like dueling player owned stations- just ships instead.
So you must be new around here...haven't read even one bit of the lore right? You know we're commanding the ships with our friggin' brains right? This is just...ugh... "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:05:00 -
[2151] - Quote
Savantine wrote:Maybe instead of walk in stations how about walk in ship. Create and train a ship crew and interact with the crew while aboard the ship. Each crew member performs a role. turret gunner, etc. Would take co-op conbat to a new level if multiple pilots were controlling a single ship. When one lacks real players to crew up a ship, AI takes over. bllah, blah, blah. Kind of like dueling player owned stations- just ships instead.
then we can throw away the pod? Rewrite EVE if that happens. Leaving pod inspace ok ,but no flight controls or what so ever,should be the consequence Only to see the ship from inside
on the other hand looking at the inside of your ship when docked ,to make cheap repairs by yourself . Quick repair = normal station service ,but cost a lot more self repair = walking to the various places in the ship ,takes a lot longer ,but cost almost nothing
edit : do we have to use nanite paste for this or is there a new skill required I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:32:00 -
[2152] - Quote
J Kunjeh wrote:Savantine wrote:Maybe instead of walk in stations how about walk in ship. Create and train a ship crew and interact with the crew while aboard the ship. Each crew member performs a role. turret gunner, etc. Would take co-op conbat to a new level if multiple pilots were controlling a single ship. When one lacks real players to crew up a ship, AI takes over. bllah, blah, blah. Kind of like dueling player owned stations- just ships instead. So you must be new around here...haven't read even one bit of the lore right? You know we're commanding the ships with our friggin' brains right? This is just...ugh...
Seems you havent read .. Since the ships we fly got crew.. regular battleship comes with about 1k or more crew members.. 70 percent of them makes it alive once the ship is destroyed.
You changed EVE for M.A.X. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:37:00 -
[2153] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:J Kunjeh wrote:Savantine wrote:Maybe instead of walk in stations how about walk in ship. Create and train a ship crew and interact with the crew while aboard the ship. Each crew member performs a role. turret gunner, etc. Would take co-op conbat to a new level if multiple pilots were controlling a single ship. When one lacks real players to crew up a ship, AI takes over. bllah, blah, blah. Kind of like dueling player owned stations- just ships instead. So you must be new around here...haven't read even one bit of the lore right? You know we're commanding the ships with our friggin' brains right? This is just...ugh... Seems you havent read .. Since the ships we fly got crew.. regular battleship comes with about 1k or more crew members.. 70 percent of them makes it alive once the ship is destroyed. You changed EVE for M.A.X.
You are right about ship crew ,but we still are capsuleers flying a ship inside a pod with some liquid Interacting with AI shipcrew ok ,fine,but must be docked Although supercap pilots have a problem then,they have to slip out of their pod ,when they are at their Pos or at a safespot guarded by an alt with an overview I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:38:00 -
[2154] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:J Kunjeh wrote:Savantine wrote:Maybe instead of walk in stations how about walk in ship. Create and train a ship crew and interact with the crew while aboard the ship. Each crew member performs a role. turret gunner, etc. Would take co-op conbat to a new level if multiple pilots were controlling a single ship. When one lacks real players to crew up a ship, AI takes over. bllah, blah, blah. Kind of like dueling player owned stations- just ships instead. So you must be new around here...haven't read even one bit of the lore right? You know we're commanding the ships with our friggin' brains right? This is just...ugh... Seems you havent read .. Since the ships we fly got crew.. regular battleship comes with about 1k or more crew members.. 70 percent of them makes it alive once the ship is destroyed. You changed EVE for M.A.X.
I remember reading that ships used to have a crew, before the game came out in 2003. But that is hardly relevant anymore. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:40:00 -
[2155] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:J Kunjeh wrote:Savantine wrote:Maybe instead of walk in stations how about walk in ship. Create and train a ship crew and interact with the crew while aboard the ship. Each crew member performs a role. turret gunner, etc. Would take co-op conbat to a new level if multiple pilots were controlling a single ship. When one lacks real players to crew up a ship, AI takes over. bllah, blah, blah. Kind of like dueling player owned stations- just ships instead. So you must be new around here...haven't read even one bit of the lore right? You know we're commanding the ships with our friggin' brains right? This is just...ugh... Seems you havent read .. Since the ships we fly got crew.. regular battleship comes with about 1k or more crew members.. 70 percent of them makes it alive once the ship is destroyed. You changed EVE for M.A.X. I remember reading that ships used to have a crew, before the game came out in 2003. But that is hardly relevant anymore.
But it is still true
Anyway board derelict ship.. in W-space f.e. you get out of your ship leave it there and board the wreck. Someone comes steal your ship, shot your empty pod then you take your gun and shot yourself to get out |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:42:00 -
[2156] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Alpheias wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:J Kunjeh wrote:Savantine wrote:Maybe instead of walk in stations how about walk in ship. Create and train a ship crew and interact with the crew while aboard the ship. Each crew member performs a role. turret gunner, etc. Would take co-op conbat to a new level if multiple pilots were controlling a single ship. When one lacks real players to crew up a ship, AI takes over. bllah, blah, blah. Kind of like dueling player owned stations- just ships instead. So you must be new around here...haven't read even one bit of the lore right? You know we're commanding the ships with our friggin' brains right? This is just...ugh... Seems you havent read .. Since the ships we fly got crew.. regular battleship comes with about 1k or more crew members.. 70 percent of them makes it alive once the ship is destroyed. You changed EVE for M.A.X. I remember reading that ships used to have a crew, before the game came out in 2003. But that is hardly relevant anymore. But it is still true Anyway board derelict ship.. in W-space f.e. you get out of your ship leave it there and board the wreck. Someone comes steal your ship and you take your gun and shot yourself to get out
Learn the difference between a wild concept and what actually is implemented in the game. Crews aren't one of them. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:46:00 -
[2157] - Quote
Alpheias wrote: Learn the difference between a wild concept and what actually is implemented in the game. Crews aren't one of them.
I agree. I havent read the original idea.. I just reacted to the fact that ships are basically connected just to our brain and we are all an machine, which has been claimed as something based in lore. Which is not entirely correct. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:48:00 -
[2158] - Quote
Quote:Learn the difference between a wild concept and what actually is implemented in the game. Crews aren't one of them
this whole thread is about a concept a concept ,we want some info from CCP I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:57:00 -
[2159] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:J Kunjeh wrote:Savantine wrote:Maybe instead of walk in stations how about walk in ship. Create and train a ship crew and interact with the crew while aboard the ship. Each crew member performs a role. turret gunner, etc. Would take co-op conbat to a new level if multiple pilots were controlling a single ship. When one lacks real players to crew up a ship, AI takes over. bllah, blah, blah. Kind of like dueling player owned stations- just ships instead. So you must be new around here...haven't read even one bit of the lore right? You know we're commanding the ships with our friggin' brains right? This is just...ugh... Seems you havent read .. Since the ships we fly got crew.. regular battleship comes with about 1k or more crew members.. 70 percent of them makes it alive once the ship is destroyed. You changed EVE for M.A.X. I remember reading that ships used to have a crew, before the game came out in 2003. But that is hardly relevant anymore.
Alpheias reads, that makes him an rp'r! lolololololol |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2012.01.01 18:54:00 -
[2160] - Quote
While I'm not going to support the idea of people playing crew members (sorry) the concept of EVE vessels having crew members has been supported several times and in various Chronicles. It rather explains all the windows.
Frankly the whole controversy about how exiting a pod is handled in game could be solved in a short paragraph about how pod technology has been improved and we no longer have to float naked in jello anymore. The connections in our spine then being all that is necessary to control the ship via the special interface in our pod. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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MrGeckoli
Crash and Burn Academy
1
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Posted - 2012.01.01 20:24:00 -
[2161] - Quote
Would be nice to hear about progress on WiS, think it is on backburner though. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2012.01.01 20:47:00 -
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MrGeckoli wrote:Would be nice to hear about progress on WiS, think it is on backburner though.
Everybody thinks and guesses, and CCP is not helping at all with their stubborn silence. Ignoring this thread is as nonsensical as it goes. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.01 21:04:00 -
[2163] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:MrGeckoli wrote:Would be nice to hear about progress on WiS, think it is on backburner though. Everybody thinks and guesses, and CCP is not helping at all with their stubborn silence. Ignoring this thread is as nonsensical as it goes.
Nobody has to guess anything, CCP has stated quite clearly WIS is not a present priority. Read Hilmar's apology, the Dev blogs, and the CSM summit summary that Seleene posted. The part about no more "jesus features" alone should be enough to tell you where things are heading.
Just because you don't like the answer, does not mean if you keep asking over and over you'll get a different one. Denial is a harsh mistress, I'd recommend counseling.
Why don't you just petition your CSM reps in the appropriate forum area and see what they tell you?
For that matter why don't you open a game petition and demand you get a response?
If you want to "discuss" WIS features there is a forum area specifically setup for doing that too. Why are you not using it? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2012.01.01 21:31:00 -
[2164] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:MrGeckoli wrote:Would be nice to hear about progress on WiS, think it is on backburner though. Everybody thinks and guesses, and CCP is not helping at all with their stubborn silence. Ignoring this thread is as nonsensical as it goes. Nobody has to guess anything, CCP has stated quite clearly WIS is not a present priority. Read Hillmar's apology, the Dev blogs, and the CSM summit summary that Seleene posted. The part about no more "jesus futures" alone should be enough to tell you where things are heading.
Hints and guesses. There is this fukking thread to talk to us openly. Just send in a bloody Community Management guy and tell us that's how things are.
Just because you don't like the answer, does not mean if you keep asking over and over you'll get a different one. Denial is a harsh mistress, I'd recommend counseling.
No answers = keep questioning. Until I grow tired, and then with any luck they will have to answer to the press.
Quote:Why don't you just petition your CSM reps in the appropriate forum area and see what they tell you?
I mailed Meissa Anunthiel. Was like 2 weeks ago. No answer yet. I guess the CSM is very busy chit-chatting with their nullsec buddies.
For that matter why don't you open a game petition and demand you get a response?
Sounds great, if weren't that petition system already is seriously clogged. Last week they had 5,500 petitions pending, vs 1,500 as average. And just yesterday CCP in their neverending cunning told every gil who missed their holiday gift to go and petition it. Petitioning anything will not be a frutiful idea for a few weeks coming.
If you want to "discuss" WIS features there is a forum area specifically setup for doing that too. Why are you not using it?
I already did so. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.01 23:40:00 -
[2165] - Quote
CCP has answered both in this thread and several other places. WiS is on the backburner and you're not going to get a different answer than that until CCP is done working on real EvE content. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.01 23:55:00 -
[2166] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP has answered both in this thread and several other places. WiS is on the backburner and you're not going to get a different answer than that until CCP is done working on real EvE content.
You've got a purdy mouf
It's ok though, not all goons are like Ladie.
Quote:I see no problem with this. Like it or not, Incarna is part of EVE now, and there is a reasonable contingent that wants to see it iterated on. I hope that, with the focus on development shifted back to EVE, CCP will be able to continue to appeal to the FiS people while continuing to improve on the Incarna experience for those players that are interested in it. As long as the future developments to Incarna are in line with the general ethos of EVE, I'm all for seeing something interesting come out of it. It'd be good to get an idea of whether or not WiS is completely on halt, or simply working with a reduced staff.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43574&find=unread
Support the thread! |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.02 00:13:00 -
[2167] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP has answered both in this thread and several other places. WiS is on the backburner and you're not going to get a different answer than that until CCP is done working on real EvE content.
WiS is part of eve. Deal with it. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.02 00:23:00 -
[2168] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP has answered both in this thread and several other places. WiS is on the backburner and you're not going to get a different answer than that until CCP is done working on real EvE content. WiS was intended to be part of eve. Deal with it.
FTFY The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.02 00:52:00 -
[2169] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP has answered both in this thread and several other places. WiS is on the backburner and you're not going to get a different answer than that until CCP is done working on real EvE content. You've got a purdy mouf It's ok though, not all goons are like Ladie. Quote:I see no problem with this. Like it or not, Incarna is part of EVE now, and there is a reasonable contingent that wants to see it iterated on. I hope that, with the focus on development shifted back to EVE, CCP will be able to continue to appeal to the FiS people while continuing to improve on the Incarna experience for those players that are interested in it. As long as the future developments to Incarna are in line with the general ethos of EVE, I'm all for seeing something interesting come out of it. It'd be good to get an idea of whether or not WiS is completely on halt, or simply working with a reduced staff. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43574&find=unreadSupport the thread!
Why another thread? This one is approaching 100 pages of asking for clarification. Support this thread!
Issler |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.02 00:58:00 -
[2170] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP has answered both in this thread and several other places. WiS is on the backburner and you're not going to get a different answer than that until CCP is done working on real EvE content. WiS is part of eve. Deal with it.
Guess I must've missed that expansion. What was it again? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
766
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Posted - 2012.01.02 00:59:00 -
[2171] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:WiS is part of eve. Deal with it. Really? The only CQ I've seen is the Minmatar quarters. I've not seen anything beyond my ship spinning, since they brought back ship spinning. WiS is entirely optional. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.02 01:02:00 -
[2172] - Quote
Alpheias wrote: Guess I must've missed that expansion. What was it again?
Probably too busy reading WoW web comics... |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.02 01:09:00 -
[2173] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Alpheias wrote: Guess I must've missed that expansion. What was it again?
Probably too busy reading WoW web comics...
You caught me with the entire hand in the cookie jar because I DO read web comics, particularly xkcd, userfriendly.org and cyanide & happiness. Which ones, beside the WoW web comics that you frankly can skip, do you do read? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.02 01:21:00 -
[2174] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP has answered both in this thread and several other places. WiS is on the backburner and you're not going to get a different answer than that until CCP is done working on real EvE content. You've got a purdy mouf It's ok though, not all goons are like Ladie. Quote:I see no problem with this. Like it or not, Incarna is part of EVE now, and there is a reasonable contingent that wants to see it iterated on. I hope that, with the focus on development shifted back to EVE, CCP will be able to continue to appeal to the FiS people while continuing to improve on the Incarna experience for those players that are interested in it. As long as the future developments to Incarna are in line with the general ethos of EVE, I'm all for seeing something interesting come out of it. It'd be good to get an idea of whether or not WiS is completely on halt, or simply working with a reduced staff. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43574&find=unreadSupport the thread! Why another thread? This one is approaching 100 pages of asking for clarification. Support this thread! Issler
Because that's where you should be posting if you want to be heard. CCP only responds to threads in GD under very specific circumstances and answering inflammatory questions that have already been answered is not one of those circumstances no matter how much you insist otherwise. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 01:40:00 -
[2175] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP has answered both in this thread and several other places. WiS is on the backburner and you're not going to get a different answer than that until CCP is done working on real EvE content. You've got a purdy mouf It's ok though, not all goons are like Ladie. Quote:I see no problem with this. Like it or not, Incarna is part of EVE now, and there is a reasonable contingent that wants to see it iterated on. I hope that, with the focus on development shifted back to EVE, CCP will be able to continue to appeal to the FiS people while continuing to improve on the Incarna experience for those players that are interested in it. As long as the future developments to Incarna are in line with the general ethos of EVE, I'm all for seeing something interesting come out of it. It'd be good to get an idea of whether or not WiS is completely on halt, or simply working with a reduced staff. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43574&find=unreadSupport the thread! Why another thread? This one is approaching 100 pages of asking for clarification. Support this thread! Issler
LOL
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 01:48:00 -
[2176] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:MrGeckoli wrote:Would be nice to hear about progress on WiS, think it is on backburner though. Everybody thinks and guesses, and CCP is not helping at all with their stubborn silence. Ignoring this thread is as nonsensical as it goes. Nobody has to guess anything, CCP has stated quite clearly WIS is not a present priority. Read Hillmar's apology, the Dev blogs, and the CSM summit summary that Seleene posted. The part about no more "jesus futures" alone should be enough to tell you where things are heading. Hints and guesses. There is this fukking thread to talk to us openly. Just send in a bloody Community Management guy and tell us that's how things are. Just because you don't like the answer, does not mean if you keep asking over and over you'll get a different one. Denial is a harsh mistress, I'd recommend counseling.No answers = keep questioning. Until I grow tired, and then with any luck they will have to answer to the press. Quote:Why don't you just petition your CSM reps in the appropriate forum area and see what they tell you? I mailed Meissa Anunthiel. Was like 2 weeks ago. No answer yet. I guess the CSM is very busy chit-chatting with their nullsec buddies. For that matter why don't you open a game petition and demand you get a response?Sounds great, if weren't that petition system already is seriously clogged. Last week they had 5,500 petitions pending, vs 1,500 as average. And just yesterday CCP in their neverending cunning told every gil who missed their holiday gift to go and petition it. Petitioning anything will not be a frutiful idea for a few weeks coming. If you want to "discuss" WIS features there is a forum area specifically setup for doing that too. Why are you not using it? I already did so.
oh yeah petitions, you made a petition wanting ccp to freeze your main account so you can keep the subbed game time you still have for when you want to come back, didn't work out so well?
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:28:00 -
[2177] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kuronaga wrote:WiS is part of eve. Deal with it. Really? The only CQ I've seen is the Minmatar quarters. I've not seen anything beyond my ship spinning, since they brought back ship spinning. WiS is entirely optional.
Of course it is optional. Nearly all activities in eve are optional. FW is optional. Nullsec wars are optional. Mission Carebearing is optional. Living in wormholes is optional. Undocking is optional.
These are all parts of eve and however relevant they are to your playstyle is beside the point.
It is relevant to someone, and they deserve the content that was promised to them just as much as you deserve content promised to you.
Cockblocking others is unnecessary to make your point about CCP's failings. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:31:00 -
[2178] - Quote
yeah /emoting is really important One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:33:00 -
[2179] - Quote
You guys sure thought so back in second life. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:41:00 -
[2180] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:You guys sure thought so back in second life.
Ohhhh snap. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:42:00 -
[2181] - Quote
it's 2012 and you are still butt hurt about those pranks? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Beaches
28
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:46:00 -
[2182] - Quote
oops |
Beaches
28
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:47:00 -
[2183] - Quote
oops |
Beaches
28
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:47:00 -
[2184] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:it's 2012 and you are still butt hurt about those pranks?
It's 2012 and this game company can't manage to put two avatars in a room. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:51:00 -
[2185] - Quote
Beaches wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:it's 2012 and you are still butt hurt about those pranks? It's 2012 and this game company can't manage to put two avatars in a room. so? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Beaches
28
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:51:00 -
[2186] - Quote
I set that snipe up and that's the best you could do?
"so?" |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:53:00 -
[2187] - Quote
Beaches wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:it's 2012 and you are still butt hurt about those pranks? It's 2012 and this game company can't manage to put two avatars in a room.
I humbly suggest that you check out Planet Calypso (which is F2P) so you can see what the limitations of multi-avatar gaming involves using the very latest in available licensable technology
What CCP had in mind was very ambitious, but cannot be achieved using present tech.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Beaches
28
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:58:00 -
[2188] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
I humbly suggest that you check out Planet Calypso (which is F2P) so you can see what the limitations of multi-avatar gaming involves using the very latest in available licensable technology
What CCP had in mind was very ambitious, but cannot be achieved using present tech.
That game actually is somewhat intriguing from the 20 seconds I've looked at it.
Thanks |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.02 03:03:00 -
[2189] - Quote
Beaches wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
I humbly suggest that you check out Planet Calypso (which is F2P) so you can see what the limitations of multi-avatar gaming involves using the very latest in available licensable technology
What CCP had in mind was very ambitious, but cannot be achieved using present tech.
That game actually is somewhat intriguing from the 20 seconds I've looked at it. Thanks
It's fun for about a week, then you have to get out your wallet. Then you (probably) figure out no matter how much you spend, there you are.
That, and the WIS (full body avatar) part of the game revolves mostly around emoting when you are not "playing".
The avatar graphics also suck, but you can purchase sunglasses and vanity items to offset that . The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Beaches
28
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Posted - 2012.01.02 03:12:00 -
[2190] - Quote
Yeah in this thread they talk about how much RM they spend, damn. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 03:31:00 -
[2191] - Quote
but if you are up for it you can make serious RL cash, and all legally within game mechanics One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.02 03:52:00 -
[2192] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:it's 2012 and you are still butt hurt about those pranks?
On the contrary I thought they were awesome.
I am bound by strict code of e-honour to call bullshit when I see it, though. |
Mistrala DeLegra
Novus Alba FerrumSus
29
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Posted - 2012.01.02 04:19:00 -
[2193] - Quote
Yes plase CCP finish what you started and set us free from this prison cell you call CQ, open the door and give us public space's!!!!! |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
57
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Posted - 2012.01.02 04:28:00 -
[2194] - Quote
Mistrala DeLegra wrote:Yes plase CCP finish what you started and set us free from this prison cell you call CQ, open the door and give us public space's!!!!!
AMEN!! They don't even have to be terribly elaborate either. Just give us something where our avatars can all frolic together!
On a scale of "Aww, how sad." to "Wtf", how weird is it that I sit in my CQ doing nothing constantly wishing there were other people around? CCP! Open the door!!! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.02 04:34:00 -
[2195] - Quote
Baby ChuChu wrote:Mistrala DeLegra wrote:Yes plase CCP finish what you started and set us free from this prison cell you call CQ, open the door and give us public space's!!!!! AMEN!! They don't even have to be terribly elaborate either. Just give us something where our avatars can all frolic together! On a scale of "Aww, how sad." to "Wtf", how weird is it that I sit in my CQ doing nothing constantly wishing there were other people around?
Try the undock button (bottom left) .. USE IT!
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 04:40:00 -
[2196] - Quote
Baby ChuChu wrote:Mistrala DeLegra wrote:Yes plase CCP finish what you started and set us free from this prison cell you call CQ, open the door and give us public space's!!!!! AMEN!! They don't even have to be terribly elaborate either. Just give us something where our avatars can all frolic together! On a scale of "Aww, how sad." to "Wtf", how weird is it that I sit in my CQ doing nothing constantly wishing there were other people around? why do you even play this game *edit you also sound like the typical dumb barbie lover One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Mistrala DeLegra
Novus Alba FerrumSus
29
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Posted - 2012.01.02 04:51:00 -
[2197] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:Mistrala DeLegra wrote:Yes plase CCP finish what you started and set us free from this prison cell you call CQ, open the door and give us public space's!!!!! AMEN!! They don't even have to be terribly elaborate either. Just give us something where our avatars can all frolic together! On a scale of "Aww, how sad." to "Wtf", how weird is it that I sit in my CQ doing nothing constantly wishing there were other people around? Try the undock button (bottom left) .. USE IT!
Try the "Log off" button...... ESC> LOG OFF!....use it :) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.02 04:53:00 -
[2198] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Why another thread? This one is approaching 100 pages of asking for clarification. Not even close to the 440+ page thread I linked a few pages ago of people who wanted CCP to focus on real EvE content and all that was posted in two or three days. This thread has been limping along for weeks and you look silly for 'demanding' an answer even though CCP has already answered you.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.02 05:04:00 -
[2199] - Quote
Mistrala DeLegra wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:Mistrala DeLegra wrote:Yes plase CCP finish what you started and set us free from this prison cell you call CQ, open the door and give us public space's!!!!! AMEN!! They don't even have to be terribly elaborate either. Just give us something where our avatars can all frolic together! On a scale of "Aww, how sad." to "Wtf", how weird is it that I sit in my CQ doing nothing constantly wishing there were other people around? Try the undock button (bottom left) .. USE IT! Try the "Log off" button...... ESC> LOG OFF!....use it :)
I''m not the one whining for attention, so you go first.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.02 05:06:00 -
[2200] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Why another thread? This one is approaching 100 pages of asking for clarification. Not even close to the 440+ page thread I linked a few pages ago of people who wanted CCP to focus on real EvE content and all that was posted in two or three days. This thread has been limping along for weeks and you look silly for 'demanding' an answer even though CCP has already answered you.
Not even close to several thousand of pages of Bible.. yet totally unrelated. |
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Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
57
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Posted - 2012.01.02 05:12:00 -
[2201] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:Mistrala DeLegra wrote:Yes plase CCP finish what you started and set us free from this prison cell you call CQ, open the door and give us public space's!!!!! AMEN!! They don't even have to be terribly elaborate either. Just give us something where our avatars can all frolic together! On a scale of "Aww, how sad." to "Wtf", how weird is it that I sit in my CQ doing nothing constantly wishing there were other people around? why do you even play this game *edit you also sound like the typical dumb barbie lover
And you just sound plain dumb. Obviously I don't pay for the game just to sit in CQ all day. I play the game to fly some damn spaceships. That said, I do like idea/promise of what the CQ could be so when I do decide to just chill, I sit in my CQ chatting wishing other people around.
But hey, if that makes me a dumb barbie lover than so be it. I'll gladly be the biggest, dumb barbie lover in the game. Sorry that, even though I have no contact with you and could really give a s*** who you are, I'm somehow ruining you game experience, but this ain't burger king son. You can't have everything you way. CCP! Open the door!!! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 05:18:00 -
[2202] - Quote
one hour of dev time spent on your barbie crap is one less hour spent on FW, industry, etc etc etc so when you frolic in your cq you frolic with ****** One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 06:22:00 -
[2203] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:one hour of dev time spent on your barbie crap is one less hour spent on FW, industry, etc etc etc so when you frolic in your cq you frolic with ******
at least we are not demanding to stop development on other aspects of this game ,we are just asking for a little bit of dev time and of course we want to know if that is possible. Crubicle was made in 6 weeks according to CCP so those little tweaks you want in FIS can easily be done in 6 months I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 06:36:00 -
[2204] - Quote
get it into your plastic barbie heads that wis is frivolous, useless, and needs to be put down like a lamed horse One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Trin Xi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.01.02 06:47:00 -
[2205] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:get it into your plastic barbie heads that wis is frivolous, useless, and needs to be put down like a lamed horse Something tells me you're the sort that if they were allowed to draw their own avatar would make an elementary school-style pen sketch of a male member. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 06:48:00 -
[2206] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:get it into your plastic barbie heads that wis is frivolous, useless, and needs to be put down like a lamed horse
Ken ,is it really , at last ,Ken is back I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.02 06:51:00 -
[2207] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:we are just asking for a little bit of dev time and of course we want to know if that is possible. You got over two years of dev time. Maybe you forgot what happened over the summer when the fruits of that labor were put into the game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 06:58:00 -
[2208] - Quote
Trin Xi wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:get it into your plastic barbie heads that wis is frivolous, useless, and needs to be put down like a lamed horse Something tells me you're the sort that if they were allowed to draw their own avatar would make an elementary school-style pen sketch of a male member.
ouch, coming from an on-line cross dresser One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 07:01:00 -
[2209] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:we are just asking for a little bit of dev time and of course we want to know if that is possible. You got over two years of dev time. Maybe you forgot what happened over the summer when the fruits of that labor were put into the game.
with all respect ,you are displaying a lack of memory again
WOD did get the most dev time in that period and DUST consolecrap came after that
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.02 07:22:00 -
[2210] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:we are just asking for a little bit of dev time and of course we want to know if that is possible. You got over two years of dev time. Maybe you forgot what happened over the summer when the fruits of that labor were put into the game. with all respect ,you are displaying a lack of memory again WOD did get the most dev time in that period and DUST consolecrap came after that The point was that time *was* spent on WiS and it was disastrous for the game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.02 07:28:00 -
[2211] - Quote
I like to think that common areas are not too far off.
The new CQ's that came with Crucible look great and run much better than the first release of the CQ. I would think that the public areas are mostly finished and just need some tweaks. Hopefully we will see some more content added in upcoming patches.
I would like to see WiS become almost a game in itself making EVE something truely unique in the gaming world. Dust514 is a step in that direction and I do hope that WiS type interaction is involved in dealings with Dust players. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 07:33:00 -
[2212] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:we are just asking for a little bit of dev time and of course we want to know if that is possible. You got over two years of dev time. Maybe you forgot what happened over the summer when the fruits of that labor were put into the game. with all respect ,you are displaying a lack of memory again WOD did get the most dev time in that period and DUST consolecrap came after that The point was that time *was* spent on WiS and it was disastrous for the game.
again lack of memory
the summer rage was about some leaked documents ,the FAILNEX with a possible P2W model the promise of a big expansion
some people aren,t over their rage from the summer and now pointing that to the only thing ,thats left to rage over The only difference now back then everybody was angry,now we have a few butthurt people who now wis hate and want to rage on I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.02 08:16:00 -
[2213] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
now we have a few butthurt people who want to rage on
Indeed. The WiS crowd continues to throw tantrums left and right, but that was the purpose of this thread wasn't it? To show just how butthurt you are after the abandonment of WiS. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.02 08:41:00 -
[2214] - Quote
edit. fail at snipe.
I think people should stop post now, since most of the posts for past few pages are just complete rabble garbage non-sense filled with hilarious stupidity.
The WiS people seems to lose their touch and become one of the "imbecile rage troll clowns" I know answering to those "role-players" such as Ladie Harlot and others proclaiming EVE "their view core-gameplay" and screw everyone else got some serious effect on the responses from otherwise sensible people. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 08:51:00 -
[2215] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
now we have a few butthurt people who now wis hate and want to rage on
Indeed. The ANTI WiS crowd continues to throw tantrums left and right, but that was not the purpose of this thread wasn't it? To show just how butthurt you are after the abandonment of FiS.
sorry fixed thank you for showing my mistake I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
465
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Posted - 2012.01.02 09:19:00 -
[2216] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:we are just asking for a little bit of dev time and of course we want to know if that is possible. You got over two years of dev time. Maybe you forgot what happened over the summer when the fruits of that labor were put into the game. with all respect ,you are displaying a lack of memory again WOD did get the most dev time in that period and DUST consolecrap came after that The point was that time *was* spent on WiS and it was disastrous for the game.
BS, you think the 3 FiS expansions before incarna, which were made with more time and more devs than this last expansion were bad because some other team was making WiS.
your a fool. Your honestly letting CCP get off easy with that excuse.
I think we all knew what a disastrous event incarna was going to be when we saw fanfest and they had NOTHING to show. If they have been working so hard on WiS for the past 2 years as you think, they wuold of had a lot more game.
no the last 3 FiS expansions were bad because they ignored the playerbase, and abandoned features. |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
124
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Posted - 2012.01.02 09:43:00 -
[2217] - Quote
I don't understand why CCP can't hire a few more people that solely develop WiS. If they weren't slackers (which the rest of CCP seem to be ), they could have all of the WiS promised and then some done by the second expansion next year. There wouldn't even need to be any emotes or animations done (yet) but just to have people walking in an area with other people to please the players that want WiS. A bit of development on the environment, a bit of new code, a bit of new netcode and Bob is your father's brother. They don't even have to make 4 different areas (yet) since we've seen that CCP are fine at only having 1 area for a year.*
*: The end of that sentence wasn't criticism. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 10:58:00 -
[2218] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:we are just asking for a little bit of dev time and of course we want to know if that is possible. You got over two years of dev time. Maybe you forgot what happened over the summer when the fruits of that labor were put into the game. with all respect ,you are displaying a lack of memory again WOD did get the most dev time in that period and DUST consolecrap came after that The point was that time *was* spent on WiS and it was disastrous for the game. BS, you think the 3 FiS expansions before incarna, which were made with more time and more devs than this last expansion were bad because some other team was making WiS. your a fool. Your honestly letting CCP get off easy with that excuse. I think we all knew what a disastrous event incarna was going to be when we saw fanfest and they had NOTHING to show. If they have been working so hard on WiS for the past 2 years as you think, they wuold of had a lot more game. no the last 3 FiS expansions were bad because they ignored the playerbase, and abandoned features.
+1 I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.02 11:14:00 -
[2219] - Quote
Beaches wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:it's 2012 and you are still butt hurt about those pranks? It's 2012 and this game company can't manage to put two avatars in a room.
That is the funniest part, even Cryptic managed to make a better captains quarters in Star Trek online. It had several rooms, the Bridge, the ready room and main engineering and you could invite your space friends for space RP.
There was even PvP until the "PvP faction" the Klingons decided crying their eyes out would help them better than fighting back. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.02 11:18:00 -
[2220] - Quote
yeah but STO is a shitgame and you know it One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
124
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Posted - 2012.01.02 11:19:00 -
[2221] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:That is the funniest part, even Cryptic managed to make a better captains quarters in Star Trek online. It had several rooms, the Bridge, the ready room and main engineering and you could invite your space friends for space RP. Even Bioware has done it in SW:TOR and we all know how bad Bioware is... |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.02 11:49:00 -
[2222] - Quote
Please bear in mind the following:
During the 2 years that are mentioned repeatedly by the WiS haters they build the Carbon Framework through refining the old code. They wanted to use it as foundation for other projects. The nice side effect was that they now have a much better foundation for EVE. I state that the carbon frame work and the two years they worked on it made many of the improvements that were delivered with Crucible possible in the first place. Or maybe not possible, but much faster and easier to develop. Remember how they always stated that they can't change the UI. Now they can and they do because of their code refinement. So don't pretend as if the core gameplay don't got any benefit out of it. That simply isn't true. True is that those two years also had expansions with many additions (but not iterations) for the core gameplay. Infrastructure stuff, Pirate Epic Arcs, revisited Faction Ships, new planet graphics, Planetary Interaction, removal of learning skills, "Little Things" from Team BFF, Incursions... to just name some of the bigger things. Looking at the expansions before that they mostly hadn't that much content in them, too.
The real problem was the lack of iteration and the practice of feature abandonment they did. But they already did that before WiS, or ambulation how they called it back in the day, was a topic. You can try to babble as long as you want, but WiS and WoD were not entirely responsible for that. It more looks like some major mismanagement by CCP. They have grown too big too fast and couldn't handle it properly. Now they have learned (hopefully) that something was amiss, they can restructure and try to get a grip on it again. Crucible showed us that they can and that there is enough potential. And it showed that Carbon was a good idea.
I see the need to iterate and revamp many old features (heck, I do want that maybe as desperate as you WiS haters) and I know that this is more urgent than new content for WiS. I think most WiS supporters understand that pretty well.
I have to admit that a lot of our loved haters here are right that we already got our answer from CCP. WiS is on the backburner. So I think we should formulate some questions that are more precise. That something is on the backburner can mean a lot of things. Maybe we should ask more specific questions... like:
What does it mean exactly that WiS is on the backburner? Are there still a few developers working on WiS related content or iterations for features that are already delivered (Captains Quarters, Character Customization)? If yes, on what are they working at the moment? If no, when can we expect to hear anything new? No exact date needed, just some rough estimation (eg after the summer expansion, after the next winter expansion, propably in two years etc.)? Are you seriously considering to abandon WiS entirely? Or is it more like putting it back to the drawing board and thinking of how to make it more meaningful? Have you really overshot the mark regarding hardware requirements of your engine? Is there a way to scale it down and lower them? Do we have to wait for the next generation of graphic cards to get any multiplayer enviroment running smoothly? Can we expect that Captains Quarters are going to be iterated some time in the future? There are features lacking that were talked about ( eg market tickers). What about the request by many players to make the bloodlines and races more distinct, eg through racial clothing and additional accessory? There are also a lot of requests regarding bloodline and gender changes. Is there something you are working on?
I think that this are a lot of the questions we "barbie fetishists" like to know and it is far from unreasonable to ask them and expect an answer of some kind. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
|
Posted - 2012.01.02 12:41:00 -
[2223] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
now we have a few butthurt people who want to rage on
Indeed. The WiS crowd continues to throw tantrums left and right, but that was the purpose of this thread wasn't it? To show just how butthurt you are after the abandonment of WiS.
God, you couldn't sound more juvenile if you tried.
Just to set the record straight, WiS wasn't abandoned. Work on it has been temporally postponed.
Probably in order to address technical problems with the code itself. Not to mention CCP needed to placate the vocal minority which didn't take much to do. Some mediocre FiS game updates consisting mainly of re-balancing, enhanced visuals and fixing (long overdue) various bugs seemed to do rather well...of course this new focus will continue for a while.
Whether you like it or not, CCP isn't going to abandon or remove WiS. Eventually more WiS content (Establishments, Character Interaction, etc) will be introduced into the game. However, looking at CCP's track record, it'll probably be in a year or two. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2012.01.02 14:41:00 -
[2224] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Please bear in mind the following:
During the 2 years that are mentioned repeatedly by the WiS haters they build the Carbon Framework through refining the old code. They wanted to use it as foundation for other projects. The nice side effect was that they now have a much better foundation for EVE. I state that the carbon frame work and the two years they worked on it made many of the improvements that were delivered with Crucible possible in the first place. Or maybe not possible, but much faster and easier to develop. Remember how they always stated that they can't change the UI. Now they can and they do because of their code refinement. So don't pretend as if the core gameplay don't got any benefit out of it. That simply isn't true. True is that those two years also had expansions with many additions (but not iterations) for the core gameplay. Infrastructure stuff, Pirate Epic Arcs, revisited Faction Ships, new planet graphics, Planetary Interaction, removal of learning skills, "Little Things" from Team BFF, Incursions... to just name some of the bigger things. Looking at the expansions before that they mostly hadn't that much content in them, too.
The real problem was the lack of iteration and the practice of feature abandonment they did. But they already did that before WiS, or ambulation how they called it back in the day, was a topic. You can try to babble as long as you want, but WiS and WoD were not entirely responsible for that. It more looks like some major mismanagement by CCP. They have grown too big too fast and couldn't handle it properly. Now they have learned (hopefully) that something was amiss, they can restructure and try to get a grip on it again. Crucible showed us that they can and that there is enough potential. And it showed that Carbon was a good idea.
I see the need to iterate and revamp many old features (heck, I do want that maybe as desperate as you WiS haters) and I know that this is more urgent than new content for WiS. I think most WiS supporters understand that pretty well.
I have to admit that a lot of our loved haters here are right that we already got our answer from CCP. WiS is on the backburner. So I think we should formulate some questions that are more precise. That something is on the backburner can mean a lot of things. Maybe we should ask more specific questions... like:
What does it mean exactly that WiS is on the backburner? Are there still a few developers working on WiS related content or iterations for features that are already delivered (Captains Quarters, Character Customization)? If yes, on what are they working at the moment? If no, when can we expect to hear anything new? No exact date needed, just some rough estimation (eg after the summer expansion, after the next winter expansion, propably in two years etc.)? Are you seriously considering to abandon WiS entirely? Or is it more like putting it back to the drawing board and thinking of how to make it more meaningful? Have you really overshot the mark regarding hardware requirements of your engine? Is there a way to scale it down and lower them? Do we have to wait for the next generation of graphic cards to get any multiplayer enviroment running smoothly? Can we expect that Captains Quarters are going to be iterated some time in the future? There are features lacking that were talked about ( eg market tickers). What about the request by many players to make the bloodlines and races more distinct, eg through racial clothing and additional accessory? There are also a lot of requests regarding bloodline and gender changes. Is there something you are working on?
I think that this are a lot of the questions we "barbie fetishists" like to know and it is far from unreasonable to ask them and expect an answer of some kind.
Nice post, liked it as it summarizes what WiS haters choose to ignore (the infamous 18 months).
But the first question in that list should be:
Will CCP talk to us before this issue escalates into yet another PR disaster? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.02 14:47:00 -
[2225] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Alpheias wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
now we have a few butthurt people who want to rage on
Indeed. The WiS crowd continues to throw tantrums left and right, but that was the purpose of this thread wasn't it? To show just how butthurt you are after the abandonment of WiS. God, you couldn't sound more juvenile if you tried. Just to set the record straight, WiS wasn't abandoned. Work on it has been temporally postponed. Whether you like it or not, CCP isn't going to abandon or remove WiS. Eventually more WiS content (Establishments, Character Interaction, etc) will be introduced into the game. However, looking at CCP's track record, it'll probably be in a year or two.
Now you know what it feels like every time I have to stoop to your level.
And I hope they don't. But I hope they put all of it into WoD where it belongs. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
|
Posted - 2012.01.02 14:55:00 -
[2226] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Will CCP talk to us before this issue escalates into yet another PR disaster?
Not before fanfest, so by all means start orchestrating your "PR disaster" now.
Might I suggest you begin your campaign by unsubbing?
I bet if the whole dozen or so of you that are demanding answers to questions already answered did that, it would send a clear message to CCP that you really mean business.
Otherwise I would direct you to the CSM, and the Features & Ideas Discussion forum.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 19:50:00 -
[2227] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Please bear in mind the following:
During the 2 years that are mentioned repeatedly by the WiS haters they build the Carbon Framework through refining the old code. They wanted to use it as foundation for other projects. The nice side effect was that they now have a much better foundation for EVE. I state that the carbon frame work and the two years they worked on it made many of the improvements that were delivered with Crucible possible in the first place. Or maybe not possible, but much faster and easier to develop. Remember how they always stated that they can't change the UI. Now they can and they do because of their code refinement. So don't pretend as if the core gameplay don't got any benefit out of it. That simply isn't true. True is that those two years also had expansions with many additions (but not iterations) for the core gameplay. Infrastructure stuff, Pirate Epic Arcs, revisited Faction Ships, new planet graphics, Planetary Interaction, removal of learning skills, "Little Things" from Team BFF, Incursions... to just name some of the bigger things. Looking at the expansions before that they mostly hadn't that much content in them, too.
The real problem was the lack of iteration and the practice of feature abandonment they did. But they already did that before WiS, or ambulation how they called it back in the day, was a topic. You can try to babble as long as you want, but WiS and WoD were not entirely responsible for that. It more looks like some major mismanagement by CCP. They have grown too big too fast and couldn't handle it properly. Now they have learned (hopefully) that something was amiss, they can restructure and try to get a grip on it again. Crucible showed us that they can and that there is enough potential. And it showed that Carbon was a good idea.
I see the need to iterate and revamp many old features (heck, I do want that maybe as desperate as you WiS haters) and I know that this is more urgent than new content for WiS. I think most WiS supporters understand that pretty well.
I have to admit that a lot of our loved haters here are right that we already got our answer from CCP. WiS is on the backburner. So I think we should formulate some questions that are more precise. That something is on the backburner can mean a lot of things. Maybe we should ask more specific questions... like:
What does it mean exactly that WiS is on the backburner? Are there still a few developers working on WiS related content or iterations for features that are already delivered (Captains Quarters, Character Customization)? If yes, on what are they working at the moment? If no, when can we expect to hear anything new? No exact date needed, just some rough estimation (eg after the summer expansion, after the next winter expansion, propably in two years etc.)? Are you seriously considering to abandon WiS entirely? Or is it more like putting it back to the drawing board and thinking of how to make it more meaningful? Have you really overshot the mark regarding hardware requirements of your engine? Is there a way to scale it down and lower them? Do we have to wait for the next generation of graphic cards to get any multiplayer enviroment running smoothly? Can we expect that Captains Quarters are going to be iterated some time in the future? There are features lacking that were talked about ( eg market tickers). What about the request by many players to make the bloodlines and races more distinct, eg through racial clothing and additional accessory? There are also a lot of requests regarding bloodline and gender changes. Is there something you are working on?
I think that this are a lot of the questions we "barbie fetishists" like to know and it is far from unreasonable to ask them and expect an answer of some kind.
+1 you are a better talker then me and any of the people replying here this sums up a lot what is being discussed here (well not really a discussion,but alright) and it sums it up in a very good way. thank you I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 19:54:00 -
[2228] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Will CCP talk to us before this issue escalates into yet another PR disaster?
Not before fanfest, so by all means start orchestrating your "PR disaster" now. Might I suggest you begin your campaign by unsubbing? I bet if the whole dozen or so of you that are demanding answers to questions already answered did that, it would send a clear message to CCP that you really mean business. Otherwise I would direct you to the CSM, and the Features & Ideas Discussion forum.
if this thread don,t deliver some extra info why would the CSM and some idea subforum do deliver
The CSM has as always no use in this matter We want info from CCP ,not from some CCP-internetpuppets I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:11:00 -
[2229] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Will CCP talk to us before this issue escalates into yet another PR disaster?
Not before fanfest, so by all means start orchestrating your "PR disaster" now. Might I suggest you begin your campaign by unsubbing? I bet if the whole dozen or so of you that are demanding answers to questions already answered did that, it would send a clear message to CCP that you really mean business. Otherwise I would direct you to the CSM, and the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. if this thread don,t deliver some extra info why would the CSM and some idea subforum do deliver The CSM has as always no use in this matter We want info from CCP ,not from some CCP-internetpuppets
Well, CCP isn't going to answer feature discussion questions here in EVE GD, and there is a thread that you are well aware of in the CSM area where you all received an answer about WIS development from a CSM representative.
But, by all means continue beating this corpse and demanding answers to questions already answered. If you are so impatient you can't wait until fanfest for new information, I am sure you can find the unsubscribe button.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:14:00 -
[2230] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We want info from CCP ,not from some CCP-internetpuppets
Perhaps their silence is saying something you do not want to hear... |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:18:00 -
[2231] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We want info from CCP ,not from some CCP-internetpuppets Perhaps their silence is saying something you do not want to hear...
As long as they keep silent,we don,t know that I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:20:00 -
[2232] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Will CCP talk to us before this issue escalates into yet another PR disaster?
Not before fanfest, so by all means start orchestrating your "PR disaster" now. Might I suggest you begin your campaign by unsubbing? I bet if the whole dozen or so of you that are demanding answers to questions already answered did that, it would send a clear message to CCP that you really mean business. Otherwise I would direct you to the CSM, and the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. if this thread don,t deliver some extra info why would the CSM and some idea subforum do deliver The CSM has as always no use in this matter We want info from CCP ,not from some CCP-internetpuppets Well, CCP isn't going to answer feature discussion questions here in EVE GD, and there is a thread that you are well aware of in the CSM area where you all received an answer about WIS development from a CSM representative. But, by all means continue beating this corpse and demanding answers to questions already answered. If you are so impatient you can't wait until fanfest for new information, I am sure you can find the unsubscribe button.
Yep we saw that response
Quote:CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.
imternetpuppet behaviour with some good info? guess not. I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:24:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:Please bear in mind the following:
During the 2 years that are mentioned repeatedly by the WiS haters they build the Carbon Framework through refining the old code. They wanted to use it as foundation for other projects. The nice side effect was that they now have a much better foundation for EVE. I state that the carbon frame work and the two years they worked on it made many of the improvements that were delivered with Crucible possible in the first place. Or maybe not possible, but much faster and easier to develop. Remember how they always stated that they can't change the UI. Now they can and they do because of their code refinement. So don't pretend as if the core gameplay don't got any benefit out of it. That simply isn't true. True is that those two years also had expansions with many additions (but not iterations) for the core gameplay. Infrastructure stuff, Pirate Epic Arcs, revisited Faction Ships, new planet graphics, Planetary Interaction, removal of learning skills, "Little Things" from Team BFF, Incursions... to just name some of the bigger things. Looking at the expansions before that they mostly hadn't that much content in them, too.
The real problem was the lack of iteration and the practice of feature abandonment they did. But they already did that before WiS, or ambulation how they called it back in the day, was a topic. You can try to babble as long as you want, but WiS and WoD were not entirely responsible for that. It more looks like some major mismanagement by CCP. They have grown too big too fast and couldn't handle it properly. Now they have learned (hopefully) that something was amiss, they can restructure and try to get a grip on it again. Crucible showed us that they can and that there is enough potential. And it showed that Carbon was a good idea.
I see the need to iterate and revamp many old features (heck, I do want that maybe as desperate as you WiS haters) and I know that this is more urgent than new content for WiS. I think most WiS supporters understand that pretty well.
I have to admit that a lot of our loved haters here are right that we already got our answer from CCP. WiS is on the backburner. So I think we should formulate some questions that are more precise. That something is on the backburner can mean a lot of things. Maybe we should ask more specific questions... like:
What does it mean exactly that WiS is on the backburner? Are there still a few developers working on WiS related content or iterations for features that are already delivered (Captains Quarters, Character Customization)? If yes, on what are they working at the moment? If no, when can we expect to hear anything new? No exact date needed, just some rough estimation (eg after the summer expansion, after the next winter expansion, propably in two years etc.)? Are you seriously considering to abandon WiS entirely? Or is it more like putting it back to the drawing board and thinking of how to make it more meaningful? Have you really overshot the mark regarding hardware requirements of your engine? Is there a way to scale it down and lower them? Do we have to wait for the next generation of graphic cards to get any multiplayer enviroment running smoothly? Can we expect that Captains Quarters are going to be iterated some time in the future? There are features lacking that were talked about ( eg market tickers). What about the request by many players to make the bloodlines and races more distinct, eg through racial clothing and additional accessory? There are also a lot of requests regarding bloodline and gender changes. Is there something you are working on?
I think that this are a lot of the questions we "barbie fetishists" like to know and it is far from unreasonable to ask them and expect an answer of some kind.
not empty quoting again ,bc i like this one I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
390
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:05:00 -
[2234] - Quote
Dibs on post #2030
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Dr Grey
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
4
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:34:00 -
[2235] - Quote
Still waiting on that mirror for my SC
And Shoes ....... more quality shoes |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.02 23:40:00 -
[2236] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Alpheias wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
now we have a few butthurt people who want to rage on
Indeed. The WiS crowd continues to throw tantrums left and right, but that was the purpose of this thread wasn't it? To show just how butthurt you are after the abandonment of WiS. God, you couldn't sound more juvenile if you tried. Just to set the record straight, WiS wasn't abandoned. Work on it has been temporally postponed. Whether you like it or not, CCP isn't going to abandon or remove WiS. Eventually more WiS content (Establishments, Character Interaction, etc) will be introduced into the game. However, looking at CCP's track record, it'll probably be in a year or two. Now you know what it feels like every time I have to stoop to your level. And I hope they don't. But I hope they put all of it into WoD where it belongs.
would give you an ladder to go up that level,but you had to mention WOD,so taking that ladder away.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
124
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Posted - 2012.01.02 23:44:00 -
[2237] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:would give you an ladder to go up that level,but you had to mention WOD,so taking that ladder away.
English. How does it work? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:15:00 -
[2238] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We want info from CCP ,not from some CCP-internetpuppets Perhaps their silence is saying something you do not want to hear... They haven't been silent. If CCP had actually been ignoring these people I'd understand their frustration but CCP hasn't ignored them. The space barbie enthusiasts just didn't like the answer they got so they continue to whine.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:22:00 -
[2239] - Quote
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:would give you an ladder to go up that level,but you had to mention WOD,so taking that ladder away.
English. How does it work?
sorry about that,but i am not English
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:24:00 -
[2240] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Guttripper wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We want info from CCP ,not from some CCP-internetpuppets Perhaps their silence is saying something you do not want to hear... They haven't been silent. If CCP had actually been ignoring these people I'd understand their frustration but CCP hasn't ignored them. The space barbie enthusiasts just didn't like the answer they got so they continue to whine.
read this then,quoting somebody else bc he is better at English then me
Arcathra wrote:Please bear in mind the following:
During the 2 years that are mentioned repeatedly by the WiS haters they build the Carbon Framework through refining the old code. They wanted to use it as foundation for other projects. The nice side effect was that they now have a much better foundation for EVE. I state that the carbon frame work and the two years they worked on it made many of the improvements that were delivered with Crucible possible in the first place. Or maybe not possible, but much faster and easier to develop. Remember how they always stated that they can't change the UI. Now they can and they do because of their code refinement. So don't pretend as if the core gameplay don't got any benefit out of it. That simply isn't true. True is that those two years also had expansions with many additions (but not iterations) for the core gameplay. Infrastructure stuff, Pirate Epic Arcs, revisited Faction Ships, new planet graphics, Planetary Interaction, removal of learning skills, "Little Things" from Team BFF, Incursions... to just name some of the bigger things. Looking at the expansions before that they mostly hadn't that much content in them, too.
The real problem was the lack of iteration and the practice of feature abandonment they did. But they already did that before WiS, or ambulation how they called it back in the day, was a topic. You can try to babble as long as you want, but WiS and WoD were not entirely responsible for that. It more looks like some major mismanagement by CCP. They have grown too big too fast and couldn't handle it properly. Now they have learned (hopefully) that something was amiss, they can restructure and try to get a grip on it again. Crucible showed us that they can and that there is enough potential. And it showed that Carbon was a good idea.
I see the need to iterate and revamp many old features (heck, I do want that maybe as desperate as you WiS haters) and I know that this is more urgent than new content for WiS. I think most WiS supporters understand that pretty well.
I have to admit that a lot of our loved haters here are right that we already got our answer from CCP. WiS is on the backburner. So I think we should formulate some questions that are more precise. That something is on the backburner can mean a lot of things. Maybe we should ask more specific questions... like:
What does it mean exactly that WiS is on the backburner? Are there still a few developers working on WiS related content or iterations for features that are already delivered (Captains Quarters, Character Customization)? If yes, on what are they working at the moment? If no, when can we expect to hear anything new? No exact date needed, just some rough estimation (eg after the summer expansion, after the next winter expansion, propably in two years etc.)? Are you seriously considering to abandon WiS entirely? Or is it more like putting it back to the drawing board and thinking of how to make it more meaningful? Have you really overshot the mark regarding hardware requirements of your engine? Is there a way to scale it down and lower them? Do we have to wait for the next generation of graphic cards to get any multiplayer enviroment running smoothly? Can we expect that Captains Quarters are going to be iterated some time in the future? There are features lacking that were talked about ( eg market tickers). What about the request by many players to make the bloodlines and races more distinct, eg through racial clothing and additional accessory? There are also a lot of requests regarding bloodline and gender changes. Is there something you are working on?
I think that this are a lot of the questions we "barbie fetishists" like to know and it is far from unreasonable to ask them and expect an answer of some kind.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
979
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:25:00 -
[2241] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:would give you an ladder to go up that level,but you had to mention WOD,so taking that ladder away.
English. How does it work? sorry about that,but i am not English
do not be sorry, that other guy is an idiot
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1204
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:27:00 -
[2242] - Quote
Everyone in this thread should apply to my corp - you're either morons for wanting space-barbies or morons for discussing with morons wanting space barbies.
(Just posting bacause the thread is on top anyway so no harm done) morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:32:00 -
[2243] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote:Everyone in this thread should apply to my corp - you're either morons for wanting space-barbies or morons for discussing with morons wanting space barbies.
(Just posting bacause the thread is on top anyway so no harm done)
a corp named Morons ,i could actually fit in. but you Avatar looks like my mother in law (don,t worry my wife looks a lot better) so i pass
so back to topic Hello CCP Are you there? I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
124
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:33:00 -
[2244] - Quote
Morganta wrote:do not be sorry, that other guy is an idiot
I resemble that remark. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:55:00 -
[2245] - Quote
Well i am giving up a lot is said in this thread some good and some bad things.
Issler good luck with this thread
Alpheias,Taiwanistan,Ladie Harlot the 3 wishaters in this thread ,you won ,be happy
I hope you don,t have something to wish for in this game
CCP JUST DON,T CARE,BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW
cya all later I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
124
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Posted - 2012.01.03 01:07:00 -
[2246] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Well i am giving up a lot is said in this thread some good and some bad things.
Issler good luck with this thread
Alpheias,Taiwanistan,Ladie Harlot the 3 wishaters in this thread ,you won ,be happy
I hope you don,t have something to wish for in this game
CCP JUST DON,T CARE,BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW
cya all later That's not the spirit at all. You have to fight for WiS. If you don't, who will? CCP won't care if nobody is voicing their opinions. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.03 01:25:00 -
[2247] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Alpheias,Taiwanistan,Ladie Harlot the 3 wishaters in this thread ,you won ,be happy
I hope you don,t have something to wish for in this game
I'm very happy. I'm happy that CCP realized the mistake they were making and turned things around before the game completely imploded. Everybody who posts in this thread should be happy because if CCP had continued to focus on space barbie crap we might not still have an awesome internet spaceship game to play anymore.
Also, for the record there are lots of things I wish for in the game. The difference is that the tings I wish for wouldn't kill the game if CCP spent time working on them. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.03 02:02:00 -
[2248] - Quote
Dr Grey wrote:Still waiting on that mirror for my SC
And Shoes ....... more quality shoes
HAI NCDOT One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Dimitryy
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
18
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Posted - 2012.01.03 03:22:00 -
[2249] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Well i am giving up a lot is said in this thread some good and some bad things.
Issler good luck with this thread
Alpheias,Taiwanistan,Ladie Harlot the 3 wishaters in this thread ,you won ,be happy
I hope you don,t have something to wish for in this game
CCP JUST DON,T CARE,BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW
cya all later
This is a comma "," and this is an apostrophe " ' "
Your post is bad and you should feel bad. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
121
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Posted - 2012.01.03 04:13:00 -
[2250] - Quote
It's relatively common in these forums-and EVE for that matter-for the few to ruin it for the many; simply because they just don't stop pushing, biting, kicking, and screaming until they've had their way or thoroughly squashed any attempts at resistance.
Consider the events of last year and how a few 1000, changed the future of the game for a few hundred thousand. Whether all those would disagree or not is irrelevent; haters gonna hate.
I've been in more than a few threads these past few days where the majority count of posts are between 2-3 people; completely derailing any discussion, and resulting in people bypassing the threads due to either inability to see the content/discussion there, or for fear of becoming involved in an escalating forum PvP match.
In one at least, the majority poster went so far as to derail conversation, rundown ideas, and harass the OP with various namecalling, facebiting, and other maniacle activity.
Why should here be any different? TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.03 04:27:00 -
[2251] - Quote
what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned
think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER so you are god damn right that haters gonna hate,
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=1 here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.03 05:00:00 -
[2252] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Alpheias,Taiwanistan,Ladie Harlot the 3 wishaters in this thread ,you won ,be happy
I hope you don,t have something to wish for in this game I'm very happy. I'm happy that CCP realized the mistake they were making and turned things around before the game completely imploded. Everybody who posts in this thread should be happy because if CCP had continued to focus on space barbie crap we might not still have an awesome internet spaceship game to play anymore. Also, for the record there are lots of things I wish for in the game. The difference is that the tings I wish for wouldn't kill the game if CCP spent time working on them.
And i am happy that civilized western lifestyle coming to an end. Priorities.. EVE is an game. Being happy that someone else done something regardless of you is good, but pointless. |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
57
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Posted - 2012.01.03 05:08:00 -
[2253] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:
think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER
/chuckle CCP! Open the door!!! |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
|
Posted - 2012.01.03 05:19:00 -
[2254] - Quote
Someday, CCP will finish Incarna.
Then I will have a very public "in your face" tirade around the forums for all WiS haters to see.
Then CCP will start working on W0P and take WiS further. And then the FiS tears will feed me for the rest of eternity, keeping me young and full of joy. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
121
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Posted - 2012.01.03 05:40:00 -
[2255] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHERso you are god damn right that haters gonna hate, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=1here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies
I take it you wear a neckbeard-nothing wrong with that-and haven't combed your hair in 3 days, washed in 7, or changed your sweats in 4; all the while sitting at your PC munching on chips and drinking diet pop?
People-men and women-dress up in real life; there's nothing wrong with it. You should try it sometime.
Too blunt?
Seriously: I wear work clothes 18/7; sometimes even sleep in them. That doesn't mean I don't wear clean work clothes or even that I don't make sure that they look good. Heck, I spent a whole pile of money I didn't want to just a month ago, refreshing my wardrobe. Can't look like **** and still have a job.
I don't think WiS has /emote; just random character animations. Regardless, if it did, I'm sure there are plenty-count ~30-40K-players that are interested in that. Doubtful we'd be able to walk the station halls without bumping into groups of them here and there.
It sells.
Heck, it'd be an awful shame if we ever got some variety around here. Speaking of which, I'm sure we'll see quite an influx with the introduction of the Japanese client. I hear they actually invented it. How many players is that anyway?
Maybe we should get rust and dirt covered clothes in NeX... TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.03 06:00:00 -
[2256] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:People-men and women-dress up in real life; there's nothing wrong with it. You should try it sometime... I'm sure *that* is the compelling argument that will get CCP to change their minds. :cripes:
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.03 06:14:00 -
[2257] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHERso you are god damn right that haters gonna hate, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=1here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies I take it you wear a neckbeard-nothing wrong with that-and haven't combed your hair in 3 days, washed in 7, or changed your sweats in 4; all the while sitting at your PC munching on chips and drinking diet pop? People-men and women-dress up in real life; there's nothing wrong with it. You should try it sometime. Too blunt? Seriously: I wear work clothes 18/7; sometimes even sleep in them. That doesn't mean I don't wear clean work clothes or even that I don't make sure that they look good. Heck, I spent a whole pile of money I didn't want to just a month ago, refreshing my wardrobe. Can't look like **** and still have a job. I don't think WiS has /emote; just random character animations. Regardless, if it did, I'm sure there are plenty-count ~30-40K-players that are interested in that. Doubtful we'd be able to walk the station halls without bumping into groups of them here and there. It sells. Heck, it'd be an awful shame if we ever got some variety around here. Speaking of which, I'm sure we'll see quite an influx with the introduction of the Japanese client. I hear they actually invented it. How many players is that anyway? Maybe we should get rust and dirt covered clothes in NeX... lol you stupid hipster, i am aware of the many well-known purposes of "dressing up" IRL but why do you want to do it so bad in a computer game One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.03 06:36:00 -
[2258] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Alpheias wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
now we have a few butthurt people who want to rage on
Indeed. The WiS crowd continues to throw tantrums left and right, but that was the purpose of this thread wasn't it? To show just how butthurt you are after the abandonment of WiS. God, you couldn't sound more juvenile if you tried. Just to set the record straight, WiS wasn't abandoned. Work on it has been temporally postponed. Whether you like it or not, CCP isn't going to abandon or remove WiS. Eventually more WiS content (Establishments, Character Interaction, etc) will be introduced into the game. However, looking at CCP's track record, it'll probably be in a year or two. Now you know what it feels like every time I have to stoop to your level. And I hope they don't. But I hope they put all of it into WoD where it belongs.
After reviewing this thread, I and the majority of other players responding to your posted replies have always stooped DOWN to your level. Never once have you tried to view the issue of WiS content with a neutral perspective.
Quite a few times you've stated that if someone could show you some sort of WiS content other than NPC lap dances, you would stop with the negative posting. I and a few others have posted plenty of ideas for WiS content that doesn't include doing a Fashion Show. Of course you just ignored it and continued with your negative posting.
You can hope, rant and rave all you want, CCP will not remove WiS. Like it or not, in the future CCP will add more WiS based content into the game..
Taiwanistan wrote:what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHERso you are god damn right that haters gonna hate, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=1here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I like the idea of being able to do FPS action available through WiS content which has nothing to do with playing 'Barbie Dress Up'.
I looked at the thread you linked and the majority of the options listed in it are mainly re-balancing and bug fixes. Only a couple of the items listed would incorporate new game content.
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
121
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Posted - 2012.01.03 07:05:00 -
[2259] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHERso you are god damn right that haters gonna hate, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=1here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies I take it you wear a neckbeard-nothing wrong with that-and haven't combed your hair in 3 days, washed in 7, or changed your sweats in 4; all the while sitting at your PC munching on chips and drinking diet pop? People-men and women-dress up in real life; there's nothing wrong with it. You should try it sometime. Too blunt? Seriously: I wear work clothes 18/7; sometimes even sleep in them. That doesn't mean I don't wear clean work clothes or even that I don't make sure that they look good. Heck, I spent a whole pile of money I didn't want to just a month ago, refreshing my wardrobe. Can't look like **** and still have a job. I don't think WiS has /emote; just random character animations. Regardless, if it did, I'm sure there are plenty-count ~30-40K-players that are interested in that. Doubtful we'd be able to walk the station halls without bumping into groups of them here and there. It sells. Heck, it'd be an awful shame if we ever got some variety around here. Speaking of which, I'm sure we'll see quite an influx with the introduction of the Japanese client. I hear they actually invented it. How many players is that anyway? Maybe we should get rust and dirt covered clothes in NeX... lol you stupid hipster, i am aware of the many well-known purposes of "dressing up" IRL but why do you want to do it so bad in a computer game
lmao.. I don't really care honestly. It has very little to do with my current or past gameplay.
I'll use it or not as it comes, but I am interested in further development on WiS, and seeing what they can do there. It's more about the experience for me, but I don't have a problem if other people want it to include features like the NeX business model and cometic underwear if they like. No skin off my nose.
I'd like to see further iterations on FiS come with that though, and certainly features and development there, as well as much needed changes and revamp[s to existing content. Modular POS is a big one for me; though I'm not sure I'll ever be interested in owning one again. Just seeing them in space would be cool.
TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.03 07:20:00 -
[2260] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned
think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER so you are god damn right that haters gonna hate,
[Link] here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies I was bored and actualy counted them. At the moment there are 21 posters wanting incarna related content of about 142 relevant people posting in that thread. That means we have a support of 14,79% of Incarna/WiS related content for the summer expansion. Assuming that there are about 300.000 accounts that would be about 44.000 people in favor of some WiS love in summer. I have looked at the thread some days ago and this numbers havn't changed much. No, of course this isn't a majority but I never argued that a majority wants WiS content. But it is a significant number of people. We can safely assume that the number of supporters after those other changes people are asking for are implemented will be higher. We can also very safely assume that a higher number of people are neutral and may lean towards WiS once it is implemented right.
But as you have shown me now you are not interested in those numbers, right? You are just offended by some supposed "dudes" who like to "dress up" virtual avatars and "emoting with each other". I think your attitude towards other peoples interests and preferences should be "shitcanned". Don't you have some witches to burn instead posting nonsense here?
Thanks for your double "selfowned" .
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Quite a few times you've stated that if someone could show you some sort of WiS content other than NPC lap dances, you would stop with the negative posting. I and a few others have posted plenty of ideas for WiS content that doesn't include doing a Fashion Show. Of course you just ignored it and continued with your negative posting. That is so true. Many of the WiS haters challanged us to give examples of possible WiS gameplay and ideas how it wouldn't suck or how it wouldn't just be some shallow thing. It is their good right to do that and I like them bringing up that point. Because WiS should add something to the gameplay even for the ones who are not convinced by the social gaming argument. I read a lot of gameplay ideas in this thread, some good and some bad. But they are either ignored by our three personal WiS stalkers here or they are just called out "bullshit". What you (I mean you haters!) are doing is just negativ posting without much substance or arguments. See, you do have some valid arguments and some of us are even trying to argue with you. But I think we made a mistake, because we all know how "arguing in the internet" works...
Edit: Sorry, for some reason I couldn't quote the link in the first quote, the forum kept having issues with the BBCode. |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.03 07:34:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Mars Theran wrote:People-men and women-dress up in real life; there's nothing wrong with it. You should try it sometime... I'm sure *that* is the compelling argument that will get CCP to change their minds. :cripes:
If it ends up being that exact argument that turns the tide in our favor, I will demand you eat your hat. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.03 07:42:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Alpheias wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Alpheias wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
now we have a few butthurt people who want to rage on
Indeed. The WiS crowd continues to throw tantrums left and right, but that was the purpose of this thread wasn't it? To show just how butthurt you are after the abandonment of WiS. God, you couldn't sound more juvenile if you tried. Just to set the record straight, WiS wasn't abandoned. Work on it has been temporally postponed. Whether you like it or not, CCP isn't going to abandon or remove WiS. Eventually more WiS content (Establishments, Character Interaction, etc) will be introduced into the game. However, looking at CCP's track record, it'll probably be in a year or two. Now you know what it feels like every time I have to stoop to your level. And I hope they don't. But I hope they put all of it into WoD where it belongs. After reviewing this thread, I and the majority of other players responding to your posted replies have always stooped DOWN to your level. Never once have you tried to view the issue of WiS content with a neutral perspective. Quite a few times you've stated that if someone could show you some sort of WiS content other than NPC lap dances, you would stop with the negative posting. I and a few others have posted plenty of ideas for WiS content that doesn't include doing a Fashion Show. Of course you just ignored it and continued with your negative posting. You can hope, rant and rave all you want, CCP will not remove WiS. Like it or not, in the future CCP will add more WiS based content into the game..
But have any of you even explored the reasons why I don't think WiS belong in EVE?
Oh? Have you now? All I have read is basically the repetition of the same message: Why it is needed. If you have, I apologize, it frankly disappeared as white noise.
CCP didn't sell me the concept at its infancy because if I want to socialize, I get off the computer and hang with real people, at a real pub, in the real world.
And I don't want them to remove it, believe me. I want CCP to continue using it as a testbed for when they release WoD so they can pour all that WiS-content in there and you happily can do your fashion shows or /emote together with your friends. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
318
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Posted - 2012.01.03 07:48:00 -
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What is sad is that actually most of this thread is wasted "debating" with a little bunch of trolls. It's terribly improductive, and that's mostly CCP's fault. This thread has become a silly contest between our patience and CCP's stubborness.
We want them to say anything, they keep playing the Three Monkeys of Mismanagement: See no Customer, Hear no Customer, talk not to Customer.
They should know better. But then maybe their PR counselors forgot to instruct them to take care of WiS expectations. CCP "we are so sorry, let's be friends again" software has got no flow chart to deal with the customers who were the ones who got the biggest disappointment with the release of Incarna: those who actually wanted Incarna.
First they disappointed us, now they ignore us even at the lowest PR level... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.03 07:53:00 -
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yeah, demichael that thread is mostly fixes/releases and? what are you implying, still need to be fixed also you will not get FPS combat in wis, it's called dust why would ccp cannibalize and if they did include combat in stations it would be extremely gimped 99% of ppl will be chilling at some 100% gank proof area 99% of the time o7m8ing away /dancing whatever
ccp is greedy and they like money, they would only give new stuff, ie a a radically new "game-mode" to people that will pay for it, eg. WOD: avatar playing, paid by its own $15 subscribers + $60 disc in a box if and when it comes out FPS gameplay, paid for by ps3 dudes and initial $60 disc in a box and sony points crap if and when it comes out
now you wis lover think that there is unlimited potential in wis, all for your current $15 worth of eve sub payments, or plex how god damn gullible can you be? you think dev resources grow on trees? and you can o7m8 your way to profits?
i am sick of hearing the OP's "eve is a sci-fi simulator" line, god you are gullible, because you fell for the marketing copy, ccp hired some fancy mad men agency and they came up with that line, do you eat mcdonalds like "you're lovin' it?"
and the fools that feel that wis is more than DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER, that wis is important, has potential, is a new direction, would be might be cool i am telling you NO, wis it's a bolt-on, a rig, like putting a energy weapons rigs to improve laser damage on a rifter
wis exists only to sell some MT vanity crap, will not be iterated beyond a stupid YMCA /emote bar and grill, unless you dudes all go out and buy a fuckton of aurems and that is the honest to christ truth
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.03 08:00:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:What is sad is that actually most of this thread is wasted "debating" with a little bunch of trolls. It's terribly improductive, and that's mostly CCP's fault. This thread has become a silly contest between our patience and CCP's stubborness.
We want them to say anything, they keep playing the Three Monkeys of Mismanagement: See no Customer, Hear no Customer, talk not to Customer.
They should know better. But then maybe their PR counselors forgot to instruct them to take care of WiS expectations. CCP "we are so sorry, let's be friends again" software has got no flow chart to deal with the customers who were the ones who got the biggest disappointment with the release of Incarna: those who actually wanted Incarna.
First they disappointed us, now they ignore us even at the lowest PR level... when are you subbed to, and are you going to resub just so you can post? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.03 08:27:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: But have any of you even explored the reasons why I don't think WiS belong in EVE?
Oh? Have you now? All I have read is basically the repetition of the same message: Why it is needed. If you have, I apologize, it frankly disappeared as white noise.
CCP didn't sell me the concept at its infancy because if I want to socialize, I get off the computer and hang with real people, at a real pub, in the real world.
And I don't want them to remove it, believe me. I want CCP to continue using it as a testbed for when they release WoD so they can pour all that WiS-content in there and you happily can do your fashion shows or /emote together with your friends.
I think there is some contradiction here. So you want them to develop WoD further which means putting more resources and manpower into it. Wasn't that your main argument against WiS/WoD becaus you want them to put all their workforce into EVE/FiS?
I understand that you think that the social aspect of WiS isn't something for you. I'm fine with that. Just want to say that socializing within EVE isn't the same as scoializing with people outside of the game. But it is an interesting aspect. Look at other MMO games (or even EVE itself). People are coming together in games to have partys, funerals, guild meetings, roleplay and many other things. Most of them in context of the game. It is much like having fun times with some friends, but most of your corp members you can't meet outside of the game or there are only very few occasions you can do so. Beeing social strengthens the bonds in your corp. Of course all of that can be done without meeting with your avatars. But meeting with spaceships or to have just some portraits in a chat window is more abstract and not that immersive. Granted, avatars are still abstract. But it somewhat similar to why people are more comfortable to meet in person than to talk over the phone with each other.
Also if you really want them to finish WoD there is no reason why EVE couldn't benefit from it. What is so bad about some people playing "dress up" in station? What offends you so much about that, that you want those people to leave the game? Think of it that way: every "dude dressing up" is a paying customer who pays money to CCP. CCP can use that money to survive and develop EVE (and their other games) further. Everyone gets something out of it.
Taiwanistan wrote:and the fools that feel that wis is more than DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER, that wis is important, has potential, is a new direction, would be might be cool i am telling you NO, wis it's a bolt-on, a rig, like putting a energy weapons rigs to improve laser damage on a rifter
wis exists only to sell some MT vanity crap, will not be iterated beyond a stupid YMCA /emote bar and grill, unless you dudes all go out and buy a fuckton of aurems and that is the honest to christ truth
And I ask again: what is so bad about people "dressing up" in stations? Why the hate, did they touch you somewhere or what? And lets just assume that WiS really exists to sell "MT vanity crap". What offends you so much about that? You wouldn't use WiS, so nothing of that should bother you. As my point above: every dollar people throw away at this is a plus for CCP, it helps them to survive and develop their games further. And because of that it benefits all of us.
I have shown you that there are roughly 15% of people in favor for WiS related content in the summer expansion. To stay on your simple level that would mean it would be justified to devote 15% of their resources to WiS related content. I think I speak for many supporters here when I say that we would be fine with that. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.03 08:29:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:We want them to say anything, they keep playing the Three Monkeys of Mismanagement: See no Customer, Hear no Customer, talk not to Customer.. I don't know why people keep insisting that CCP is ignoring this issue. They have addressed it in this thread and multiple places. Just because you don't like their answer does not mean that you are being ignored.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
124
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Posted - 2012.01.03 09:03:00 -
[2268] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:now you wis lover think that there is unlimited potential in wis, all for your current $15 worth of eve sub payments, or plex how god damn gullible can you be? you think dev resources grow on trees? and you can o7m8 your way to profits? I rarely see less than 20,000 people online at anytime. If all of those players were paying $15 a month, that equates to $300,000 a month. EVE Online wasn't just released so there has been a lot of money made. CCP could surely spare hiring a small team to work on solely on WiS.
Taiwanistan wrote:i am sick of hearing the OP's "eve is a sci-fi simulator" line, god you are gullible, because you fell for the marketing copy, ccp hired some fancy mad men agency and they came up with that line, do you eat mcdonalds like "you're lovin' it?" Citation needed. I've only seen that tagline once and it was in your post. Plus, a tagline saying "EVE Online is a sci-fi simulator." is different to a catchphrase or jingle like "I'm lovin' it." (Take extra note on how it's i'm not you're).
Taiwanistan wrote:wis exists only to sell some MT vanity crap, will not be iterated beyond a stupid YMCA /emote bar and grill, unless you dudes all go out and buy a fuckton of aurems and that is the honest to christ truth
That's funny. I thought the Noble Exchange was a failure with nobody spending outrageous amounts of AUR on vanity items until CCP gave away free AUR where everybody bought vanity items with their free AUR but never again. Do you think the introduction of interaction with other players in WiS will change anybodies mind?
Hint: Everyone still won't give a ****. |
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
18
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Posted - 2012.01.03 09:30:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:well there is clear line of reasoning against eating red meat.. Still some people like it.. Western modern life is not the best from business/technical/corporate restructuring or customer point of view either.
And if you know what was the original plan and the fact that it was indeed supported by people "who takes this more seriously then just another game".
And the fact that you want this thread to die and still bumping it up .. well go figure. CCP is just afraid, rightfully so, because their nah saying customers acts like spoiled brats. What happened to Fearless CCP with their vision and if you dont like GTFO policy ?
Red meat irrelevant argument.
Wis put on back burner with WOD as well to focus on 2 eve universe related games and keep the only current money making game from collapsing sound business decision.
I am not against WiS being in the future of eve lets say after 2 more of Crucible type expansion that will address the most burning issues with the game.
Establishments tattoo shops black market deals Bars could be nice good to have featured BUT AFTER they deal with the problems of the core game.
Also there are some infrastructure problems like ... imagine Jita 4-4 promenade.
But if it is about resource allocation FIS 90 WIS 10 percent for at least 18 months :D sounds familiar ?
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.03 10:46:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:yeah, demichael that thread is mostly fixes/releases and? what are you implying, still need to be fixed also you will not get FPS combat in wis, it's called dust why would ccp cannibalize and if they did include combat in stations it would be extremely gimped 99% of ppl will be chilling at some 100% gank proof area 99% of the time o7m8ing away /dancing whatever
Yes, that thread IS mostly about bug fixes and re-balancing which is usually done in a patch. I and everyone else wants that done. However, there's not very much in it about adding new content which is what expansions are for. DUST514 is a different medium which is all about ground warfare that interacts with Eve. As for in station combat, there's been a lot of ideas posted in this thread pertaining to that issue.
Taiwanistan wrote:ccp is greedy and they like money, they would only give new stuff, ie a a radically new "game-mode" to people that will pay for it, eg. WOD: avatar playing, paid by its own $15 subscribers + $60 disc in a box if and when it comes out FPS gameplay, paid for by ps3 dudes and initial $60 disc in a box and sony points crap if and when it comes out
now you wis lover think that there is unlimited potential in wis, all for your current $15 worth of eve sub payments, or plex how god damn gullible can you be? you think dev resources grow on trees? and you can o7m8 your way to profits?
With WiS content added to Eve, that will add more gameplay options and bring in more subscribers. WoD is NOT a futuristic space environment and doesn't relate to Eve. Personally I take offense to you calling me a WiS lover and saying I'm gullible. Considering I've been playing Eve much longer than you, I can understand your limited viewpoint. However, WiS is another avenue for Eve to expand. As for Dev resources, since WiS is now a part of Eve and CCP isn't going to remove it, the only thing left is for them to improve and add to it, starting first with the code and then later adding more gameplay options.
Taiwanistan wrote:i am sick of hearing the OP's "eve is a sci-fi simulator" line, god you are gullible, because you fell for the marketing copy, ccp hired some fancy mad men agency and they came up with that line, do you eat mcdonalds like "you're lovin' it?"
and the fools that feel that wis is more than DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER, that wis is important, has potential, is a new direction, would be might be cool i am telling you NO, wis it's a bolt-on, a rig, like putting a energy weapons rigs to improve laser damage on a rifter
Well, I think you should do some research and take another look at CCP's viewpoint about Eve. They have said over and over again from day 1 that Eve is supposed to be a Virtual Science Fiction Universe, not just a spaceship simulation. Obviously it takes a little bit of imagination to see the potential gameplay content. The only bolt-on application was the NEX Store and MT which was thrown in unexpectedly, much to everyone's dismay.
Taiwanistan wrote:wis exists only to sell some MT vanity crap, will not be iterated beyond a stupid YMCA /emote bar and grill, unless you dudes all go out and buy a fuckton of aurems and that is the honest to christ truth
The NEX Store can be removed easily enough and the MT items produced by players. As for WiS environments being nothing more than just an emote bar, that's a first step which will be followed by many more steps.
You sure do project a lot of anger and hatred. I've mentioned it before and I'll say it again. Posting a reply consisting of foul language and ranting while berating others in order to start a flame war usually results in the reply being reported and removed.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.03 12:36:00 -
[2271] - Quote
ok but i just don't know how you have such strong faith and conviction in wis and the capabilities of ccp there better be a second step One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.03 12:40:00 -
[2272] - Quote
We are optimists, we can't do anything about that I'm afraid... |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.03 14:56:00 -
[2273] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:ok but i just don't know how you have such strong faith and conviction in wis and the capabilities of ccp there better be a second step
You are just negative as all hell. Frankly I have a lot of faith in CCP. I have said this before but EvE is the only MMORPG that has ever gone through not just one but several "SIGNIFICANT" changes to the graphics engine. To top it off the engine is still being updated today and has completely been replaced from what it was 8 years ago without losing character data and changing the mechanics of the game too drastically. No other MMO has ever done this and have always stated the lame ass excuse of "we would have to change the base code and everybody would lose character data.". CCP has proven that completely wrong several times over at this point. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.03 16:02:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:ok but i just don't know how you have such strong faith and conviction in wis and the capabilities of ccp there better be a second step
CCP shows incompetence sometimes and yes they need to be reminded to lift their foot off of their ****. Don't try killing the one positive thing their company has going for them though. They like to do cool **** other people won't do, just for the sake of doing it. They want a massive multi-layered gaming experience other MMO's just can't offer. It's a grand scope and it's admirable.
If you didn't want to support the grand experiment in its fullness why did you even start playing the game? It was never about "just internet spaceships" they said this from day one and you guys refuse to accept it, or anyone that does. This isn't exactly new information. If you don't want to do anything other than one aspect of the game that's fine, but don't go around telling other people they shouldn't. They aren't the ones playing the game for the wrong reason. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.03 16:15:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:ok but i just don't know how you have such strong faith and conviction in wis and the capabilities of ccp there better be a second step
An Eternally Evolving Online Universe
http://www.eveonline.com/features/
This link has each major expansion and when you click on each one, will get a brief overview of what it entailed. Check it out, you'll see there were many steps taken
The old forums (Archives) - if you look at the very last couple of pages in 'Missions and Complexes', you'll see posts about NPC agents. This was when agents were first introduced into the game. The game was already active before the Forums were implemented. Before that, the Forums were actually an in-game message board accessed in station via a 'News' icon.
Anyway, the point I'm making here is that it took CCP a lot of time, a lot of expansions and a lot of 'fix it' patches just to have the game we play today even with all it's issues (and we can expect plenty more). Looking at CCP's track record, I'm sure it'll probably be a few more years but eventually there will be more WiS content which will probably include FPS action.
Anyway, you're welcome to voice your opinion anytime. Doesn't matter if it's for or against, just remember to keep it civil.
Thanks. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.03 16:27:00 -
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Arcathra wrote: I think there is some contradiction here. So you want them to develop WoD further which means putting more resources and manpower into it. Wasn't that your main argument against WiS/WoD becaus you want them to put all their workforce into EVE/FiS?
Not at all. Aside from my adamant opinion on WiS, I also happen to think that once CCP have finished Dust 514 and if it is a success on a old platform as the PS3 and if they are confident that they can undertake finishing WoD without bleeding dry (pun intended) financially, they should.
But I am glad that they are back on track with EVE and I am glad that CCP learned their lesson even if it came at a high price.
Arcathra wrote: I understand that you think that the social aspect of WiS isn't something for you. I'm fine with that. Just want to say that socializing within EVE isn't the same as scoializing with people outside of the game. But it is an interesting aspect. Look at other MMO games (or even EVE itself). People are coming together in games to have partys, funerals, guild meetings, roleplay and many other things. Most of them in context of the game. It is much like having fun times with some friends, but most of your corp members you can't meet outside of the game or there are only very few occasions you can do so.
Great. But tell me, is this going to be a place where players are potential targets or a safe haven for players so they can socialize? Because if it is the latter, WiS really is nothing more than a dressup simulator with /emotes which has no place in EVE no matter how much you want to socialize.
I don't want EVE to be safe anywhere and that includes establishments, parties, funerals, guild meetings and what have you.
Arcathra wrote: Beeing social strengthens the bonds in your corp. Of course all of that can be done without meeting with your avatars. But meeting with spaceships or to have just some portraits in a chat window is more abstract and not that immersive. Granted, avatars are still abstract. But it somewhat similar to why people are more comfortable to meet in person than to talk over the phone with each other.
And we do all the time over comms through random chatter, bullshit or through gaming.
Arcathra wrote: Also if you really want them to finish WoD there is no reason why EVE couldn't benefit from it. What is so bad about some people playing "dress up" in station? What offends you so much about that, that you want those people to leave the game? Think of it that way: every "dude dressing up" is a paying customer who pays money to CCP. CCP can use that money to survive and develop EVE (and their other games) further. Everyone gets something out of it.
I already answered this, but I'll summarize for you again: I am not getting anything out of it unless I know for a fact that I can murder your toon, leave it in a pool of blood and steal your **** in "WiS". Anything less than that, well, please do hurry up and GTFO my game. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.01.03 16:39:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:I already answered this, but I'll summarize for you again: I am not getting anything out of it unless I know for a fact that I can murder your toon, leave it in a pool of blood and steal your **** in "WiS". Anything less than that, well, please do hurry up and GTFO my game.
I think a sector-like system on stations will be most likely, comparable to the sectors of Babylon 5. If you stay within the capsuleer-restricted sections of the station you will be safe, if you go "baselining" you are at medium risk and if you enter EvE's counterparts of B5's "brown sector"... well, go figure |
Bail Boo
4
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Posted - 2012.01.03 16:40:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: The old forums (Archives) - if you look at the very last couple of pages in 'Missions and Complexes', you'll see posts about NPC agents. This was when agents were first introduced into the game. The game was already active before the Forums were implemented. Before that, the Forums were actually an in-game message board accessed in station via a 'News' icon.
Anyway, the point I'm making here is that it took CCP a lot of time, a lot of expansions and a lot of 'fix it' patches just to have the game we play today even with all it's issues (and we can expect plenty more). Looking at CCP's track record, I'm sure it'll probably be a few more years but eventually there will be more WiS content which will probably include FPS action.
Anyway, you're welcome to voice your opinion anytime. Doesn't matter if it's for or against, just remember to keep it civil.
Thanks.
I'm sure there were forums before there was eve. But your point is good. And it's a 'free' area of expansion. We'll still have the space game so its win-win. Not sure we'll ever see an fps shooter because they have dust for that. But I'm sure we'll see something Party, Marty. Party. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.03 16:51:00 -
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Different points of view.
Stations are save havens today, why should that change with WiS? A game like EVE needs some save havens or it creates too much uneasiness. Even when the "savety" is only perceived. I've got the impression you are just seeking new opportunities to grief the players you hate.
I'm not entirely against "unsafe" WiS establishments, we can argue about that. For example there could be unsafe places in some "lower" decks of stations. Creating something like high-sec and low-sec decks with different content. More risk in activities on the low-sec decks, but also more possible reward. Smuggling for example could led you down there, into the dark corners of a station... This would also create the opportunity for CCP to create the content step by step. They can do the safer places first and then iterate and add the lower decks and introduce avatar combat with that. Maybe they have enough experience with such things through Dust until then that helps them design that portion of WiS. This could let to combat in abandoned ship wrecks found through exploration or something in that direction.
As I already mentioned. I would be satisfied with the social aspect, but I would also like to have more meaningful content and can understand many of the points you make. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.03 18:41:00 -
[2280] - Quote
Arcathra wrote: Stations are save havens today, why should that change with WiS? A game like EVE needs some save havens or it creates too much uneasiness. Even when the "savety" is only perceived. I've got the impression you are just seeking new opportunities to grief the players you hate.
If you want to be safe from any kind of hostile actions by another player whilst logged in, you are simply playing the wrong game. The way I see it, podding you enough times and you won't undock and at that point, I just need to stay in the same system as you and you won't undock.
And so what if I am looking for new ways to grief players?
Arcathra wrote: I'm not entirely against "unsafe" WiS establishments, we can argue about that. For example there could be unsafe places in some "lower" decks of stations. Creating something like high-sec and low-sec decks with different content. More risk in activities on the low-sec decks, but also more possible reward. Smuggling for example could led you down there, into the dark corners of a station... This would also create the opportunity for CCP to create the content step by step. They can do the safer places first and then iterate and add the lower decks and introduce avatar combat with that. Maybe they have enough experience with such things through Dust until then that helps them design that portion of WiS. This could let to combat in abandoned ship wrecks found through exploration or something in that direction.
Oh, so there has to be some kind of incentive, like a huge reward so you want to take that risk? Go play a theme park MMO and you can get the social experience that you crave and at no risk, the rewards! I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:01:00 -
[2281] - Quote
There is a difference between griefing and pvp. Even from my pirating days I knew that.
Frankly you just sound mentally disturbed if you want to focus your hatred on one particular person that much. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:10:00 -
[2282] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote: There is a difference between griefing and pvp. Even from my pirating days I knew that.
But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins?
And I like both griefing and pvp, for different reasons.
Kuronaga wrote: Frankly you just sound mentally disturbed if you want to focus your hatred on one particular person that much.
I am sorry, armchair psychiatrist, I don't listen to bullshit and you are both stunningly and embarrassingly full of ****. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:12:00 -
[2283] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Kuronaga wrote: There is a difference between griefing and pvp. Even from my pirating days I knew that.
But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins? And I like both griefing and pvp, for different reasons. Kuronaga wrote: Frankly you just sound mentally disturbed if you want to focus your hatred on one particular person that much.
I am sorry, armchair psychiatrist, I don't listen to bullshit and you are both stunningly and embarrassingly full of ****.
So you act psychotic, and have also done your best to reflect that in your emo looking portrait.
In other words, you have no relevance whatsoever in any discussion. You are just looking for attention. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:24:00 -
[2284] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:
So you act psychotic, and have also done your best to reflect that in your emo looking portrait.
In other words, you have no relevance whatsoever in any discussion. You are just looking for attention.
Well, I had rampant murdering psychotic in mind when I poked around with Alpheias' portrait so I am going take it as a compliment.
Yours could use a little work though, and I suggest go from uncomfortably ***** to the badass pirate you "used to be". Unless you are more comfortable with the dress up so much that you rather look uncomfortably *****.
And somehow I manage to get your attention all the time. Gonna ask me out, m'lady? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:26:00 -
[2285] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Alpheias wrote:Kuronaga wrote: There is a difference between griefing and pvp. Even from my pirating days I knew that.
But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins? And I like both griefing and pvp, for different reasons. Kuronaga wrote: Frankly you just sound mentally disturbed if you want to focus your hatred on one particular person that much.
I am sorry, armchair psychiatrist, I don't listen to bullshit and you are both stunningly and embarrassingly full of ****. So you act psychotic, and have also done your best to reflect that in your emo looking portrait. In other words, you have no relevance whatsoever in any discussion. You are just looking for attention. THIS^
Seriously...so damned fixated on one thing that you can't see the real issue... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:27:00 -
[2286] - Quote
Alpheias wrote: Oh, so there has to be some kind of incentive, like a huge reward so you want to take that risk? Go play a theme park MMO and you can get the social experience that you crave and at no risk, the rewards!
Of course. Why should I take a risk if there is no reward in doing so? Makes no sense. EVE is already about risk vs. reward at every corner. People are choosing constantly what risk they are willing to take for what reward. Why should there be a great risk in socializing? Makes no sense. But great risk in smuggling contraband, that makes perfectly sense. It also makes sense to apply a similar template that is used in the core game (high-sec, low-sec, etc.) to WiS locations. A theme park MMO doesn't offer me the risk, I just get instant rewards. That isn't what I am talking about and what I want, read my text again or should I draw you a picture?
It's really funny with you haters, even when trying to take your arguments into consideration and trying to create a compromise you won't even listen. But yea, there it is again... arguing on the internet...
Alpheias wrote:And so what if I am looking for new ways to grief players? And so what if I am looking for new ways to socialize with players? Same stupid question. Why is your "griefing" more relevant than socializing? EVE needs both and there has to be some kind of balance. The problem is that the (allowed) griefing-gameplay contradicts with other playing styles that are as valid as griefing. There is always a lot of tension between those player groups. Sadly that is nothing we can really change in a sandbox enviroment. But I think the different security zones in EVE do a really good job to keep this tension as low as possible. Therefore it is a good idea to have some similar system in stations.
Alpheias wrote:If you want to be safe from any kind of hostile actions by another player whilst logged in, you are simply playing the wrong game. The way I see it, podding you enough times and you won't undock and at that point, I just need to stay in the same system as you and you won't undock. I think you have the wrong impression of me. Did I say that I want to be safe of any kind of hostile actions? Again, read what I'm writing. I said that a game like EVE needs some save spots. You can agree with that or not. There are some of those ingame and it is mostly working as intended (eg high-sec itself, not safe entirely, but enough for most players). Sounds you are also one of the "remove high-sec"-supporters, arn't you? Think this is the wrong thread to discuss such fundamental principles of the game.
Just let's assume I really wouldn't undock if you are in system. How is that bothering you? Am I denieing you some kind of "rightful" kill or what is exactly your problem with that? With the famous Hulkageddon approaching, many miners will stop mining because their think the risk is to high. Most of them will just do something else they perceive as not as risky. After the event is over they will start to mine again and be happy about the high mineral prices. Do they also play the wrong game? Seems they get along fine with it... (okay, there are some raging morons who can't and in this case, I'm on your side). |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:40:00 -
[2287] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Kuronaga wrote: There is a difference between griefing and pvp. Even from my pirating days I knew that.
But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins? And I like both griefing and pvp, for different reasons. Kuronaga wrote: Frankly you just sound mentally disturbed if you want to focus your hatred on one particular person that much.
I am sorry, armchair psychiatrist, I don't listen to bullshit and you are both stunningly and embarrassingly full of ****.
Sad demented panda crying out "look at me"!
Good news is most of Eve knows how they want to play Eve and your opinion is not only the minority, but should Eve survive even more an outlier.
More time is spent in Eve in PvE, industry and trade the pure PvP. Simple fact and easy to see with simple direct observation. The fact that CCP has put so much effort into making these key game elements conerstones of the Eve sandbox proves the CCP believes in Eve as a SciFi simulator and not just an internet spaceships shoot a stranger in the face game you seem to think it is. If you don't believe CCP thinks of Eve as a SciFi simulator then you need to learn the "google" and do your homework.
That you rant so much about folks wanting the next level of SciFi simulation (ambulation) from Eve means you lack any interest in SciFi or a basic imagination.
I've been trying not to respond to negative troll types and I am ignoring anything some of the regular trolls post here but you deserve this one response. You are wrong about Eve, CCP, WiS.
And please keep bumping the thread. I'm hoping for 200 pages. But if you insist on posting more, try and evolve your argument to more than personal attacks and claims that you alone understand how Eve is supposed to be played and you opinion is the only correct one. You don't and it isn't.
I've stated my case for WiS with solid arguments and continue to call out to CCP to clarify plans for WiS moving forward, and despite the folks that say otherwise it appears that at this moment there are no resources assigned to WiS and no plans for further development. If someone can point me at a statement from CCP other than the phrase "back burnered" as that phrase is as likely to mean no resources as some resources (I linked multiple definitions previously) I'd love to be corrected.
CCP! Open the door!!!
Issler |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:47:00 -
[2288] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP! Open the door!!!
I think im putting that in my sig... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Mistrala DeLegra
Novus Alba FerrumSus
29
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Posted - 2012.01.03 21:08:00 -
[2289] - Quote
The thing that makes me laugh about all these troll's telling people that EVE is not about "playing dress up" or Eve is not about being social, YET! you all took time out to creat a pretty respectful looking avitar pic, you took time to pose it, dress it, light it just right so that you look good to others (well with exception of a few trolls who still look fugly as sin lol), But as someone esle said, EVE is ever expanding and ever growing, Incarna has been a plan of CCP's for MANNNNNNY years!!! and hopefully they will follow through and resume work on it in the near future.
To the trolls i say, Its not for you to tell me i can or cant do something in this game, you dont pay my subscription fee so there for you have no say on how i decide to play my game, if i CHOOSE to spend my own hard earned RL money on AUR and buy vanity items (which i have) thats my business and my money to waste, stop crying about it, these forums are for EVERYONE to express there opinion, and lets face it, opinions are like A'holes, everyone has one, some have bigger ones than others lol....im firmly in the "CCP! Open the door!!!" camp ;) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.03 21:44:00 -
[2290] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: learn the "google" and do your homework.
I did. I googled you and considering your "track record" on eve-search, I am happy that CCP continues to ignore this thread of yours.
And how is your crave for attention going? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2012.01.03 22:04:00 -
[2291] - Quote
Why people who have nothing to do with the topic keep posting in this thread? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.03 22:07:00 -
[2292] - Quote
Hikaru Kuroda wrote:Why people who have nothing to do with the topic keep posting in this thread? Trolls. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2012.01.03 22:13:00 -
[2293] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Hikaru Kuroda wrote:Why people who have nothing to do with the topic keep posting in this thread? Trolls.
I know, but that is what I cannot understand.
They keep bumping the thread and do not want Incarna/WiS.
Why not to go to low/null for some spaceships pew-pew and take a break of forum-pvp, guys? |
Kelsi Corynn
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.01.03 22:16:00 -
[2294] - Quote
I'm sure CCP will clarify their WIS plans in due time. But it'll be a while, because it's currently on the backburner. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.03 22:54:00 -
[2295] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:
And somehow I manage to get your attention all the time. Gonna ask me out, m'lady?
I'd hit worse. You're too bitchy to buy dinner for though. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.04 01:41:00 -
[2296] - Quote
Kelsi Corynn wrote:I'm sure CCP will clarify their WIS plans in due time. But it'll be a while, because it's currently on the backburner.
Anybody wanna take bets that they are actually still working on WiS and just keeping it a secret so the little whiny bitches will shut the **** up about it? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:04:00 -
[2297] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Kelsi Corynn wrote:I'm sure CCP will clarify their WIS plans in due time. But it'll be a while, because it's currently on the backburner. Anybody wanna take bets that they are actually still working on WiS and just keeping it a secret so the little whiny bitches will shut the **** up about it?
I have no doubt that *some* work is still being continued on WIS, but no one is going to get any answers until fanfest at the soonest, no matter how many pages this thread reaches, or how much crying, hand-wringing, philosophizing, and bleating for answers occurs here. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:24:00 -
[2298] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote: I have no doubt that *some* work is still being continued on WIS, but you are not going to get any answers until fanfest at the soonest, no matter how many pages this thread reaches, or how much crying, hand-wringing, philosophizing, and bleating for answers occurs here.
Agree completely. Any-one else remember the 18 month fiasco from post Dominion?
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:47:00 -
[2299] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Alpheias wrote:Kuronaga wrote: There is a difference between griefing and pvp. Even from my pirating days I knew that.
But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins? And I like both griefing and pvp, for different reasons. Kuronaga wrote: Frankly you just sound mentally disturbed if you want to focus your hatred on one particular person that much.
I am sorry, armchair psychiatrist, I don't listen to bullshit and you are both stunningly and embarrassingly full of ****. Sad demented panda crying out "look at me"! Good news is most of Eve knows how they want to play Eve and your opinion is not only the minority, but should Eve survive even more an outlier. More time is spent in Eve in PvE, industry and trade the pure PvP. Simple fact and easy to see with simple direct observation. The fact that CCP has put so much effort into making these key game elements conerstones of the Eve sandbox proves the CCP believes in Eve as a SciFi simulator and not just an internet spaceships shoot a stranger in the face game you seem to think it is. If you don't believe CCP thinks of Eve as a SciFi simulator then you need to learn the "google" and do your homework. That you rant so much about folks wanting the next level of SciFi simulation (ambulation) from Eve means you lack any interest in SciFi or a basic imagination. I've been trying not to respond to negative troll types and I am ignoring anything some of the regular trolls post here but you deserve this one response. You are wrong about Eve, CCP, WiS. And please keep bumping the thread. I'm hoping for 200 pages. But if you insist on posting more, try and evolve your argument to more than personal attacks and claims that you alone understand how Eve is supposed to be played and you opinion is the only correct one. You don't and it isn't. I've stated my case for WiS with solid arguments and continue to call out to CCP to clarify plans for WiS moving forward, and despite the folks that say otherwise it appears that at this moment there are no resources assigned to WiS and no plans for further development. If someone can point me at a statement from CCP other than the phrase "back burnered" as that phrase is as likely to mean no resources as some resources (I linked multiple definitions previously) I'd love to be corrected. CCP! Open the door!!! Issler see you are saying all you want is a progress update or statement of intent from ccp with the future of wis and then you end it with the open the door!!!111 meme, and sad panda you are ignoring the discussions (yes i only troll 80% of the time, 20% is discussion) the core of which was that there IS NO PURPOSE OF WIS AS OF NOW look at the postings of DeMichael Crimson, and even he agrees that it will inevitably take YEARS for ccp to realize their vision, and he is fine with it, that first steps must be taken even though they may seem meaningless, that it is all in preparation for the grander scheme of things, hey i am going to repeat it for you one more time, it takes years for ccp to "fix things" christ are you new to the ways of ccp?
and then here you are again repeating your juvenile open the door!!! like now!!! foot stomping, not engaging in the discussions, because you just want the door open, like it ain't no thing that just makes me want to get uncivil, stoop to your level, it makes you look gullible, and your cause frivolous
what is wrong with dress-up and /emoting with a bunch of dudes? read it again DRESSING UP AND /EMOTING WITH A BUNCH OF DUDES, it's unseemly, and so is your meme flinging and yeah it's a bump, free of charge
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.04 03:09:00 -
[2300] - Quote
I think the marketing idea behind WiS was to get more chicks playing the game, so you wouldn't have to emote with dudes. Which is good, since they like playing with barbies they can stay back at the station all day to cook meals and do my laundry. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.04 03:12:00 -
[2301] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:I think the marketing idea behind WiS was to get more chicks playing the game, so you wouldn't have to emote with dudes. Which is good, since they like playing with barbies they can stay back at the station all day to cook meals and do my laundry. that's actually kind of offensive One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.04 03:13:00 -
[2302] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP! Open the door!!!
I think im putting that in my sig... nice i hope they have a special /grovelingus emote just for you One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.04 03:15:00 -
[2303] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Kuronaga wrote:I think the marketing idea behind WiS was to get more chicks playing the game, so you wouldn't have to emote with dudes. Which is good, since they like playing with barbies they can stay back at the station all day to cook meals and do my laundry. that's actually kind of offensive
Yea, you like that? Been working on that one. |
Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.01.04 03:48:00 -
[2304] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Kuronaga wrote:I think the marketing idea behind WiS was to get more chicks playing the game, so you wouldn't have to emote with dudes. Which is good, since they like playing with barbies they can stay back at the station all day to cook meals and do my laundry. that's actually kind of offensive
Your entire alliance is offensive. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.04 04:33:00 -
[2305] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Alpheias wrote:Kuronaga wrote: There is a difference between griefing and pvp. Even from my pirating days I knew that.
But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins? And I like both griefing and pvp, for different reasons. Kuronaga wrote: Frankly you just sound mentally disturbed if you want to focus your hatred on one particular person that much.
I am sorry, armchair psychiatrist, I don't listen to bullshit and you are both stunningly and embarrassingly full of ****. Sad demented panda crying out "look at me"! Good news is most of Eve knows how they want to play Eve and your opinion is not only the minority, but should Eve survive even more an outlier. More time is spent in Eve in PvE, industry and trade the pure PvP. Simple fact and easy to see with simple direct observation. The fact that CCP has put so much effort into making these key game elements conerstones of the Eve sandbox proves the CCP believes in Eve as a SciFi simulator and not just an internet spaceships shoot a stranger in the face game you seem to think it is. If you don't believe CCP thinks of Eve as a SciFi simulator then you need to learn the "google" and do your homework. That you rant so much about folks wanting the next level of SciFi simulation (ambulation) from Eve means you lack any interest in SciFi or a basic imagination. I've been trying not to respond to negative troll types and I am ignoring anything some of the regular trolls post here but you deserve this one response. You are wrong about Eve, CCP, WiS. And please keep bumping the thread. I'm hoping for 200 pages. But if you insist on posting more, try and evolve your argument to more than personal attacks and claims that you alone understand how Eve is supposed to be played and you opinion is the only correct one. You don't and it isn't. I've stated my case for WiS with solid arguments and continue to call out to CCP to clarify plans for WiS moving forward, and despite the folks that say otherwise it appears that at this moment there are no resources assigned to WiS and no plans for further development. If someone can point me at a statement from CCP other than the phrase "back burnered" as that phrase is as likely to mean no resources as some resources (I linked multiple definitions previously) I'd love to be corrected. CCP! Open the door!!! Issler see you are saying all you want is a progress update or statement of intent from ccp with the future of wis and then you end it with the open the door!!!111 meme, and sad panda you are ignoring the discussions (yes i only troll 80% of the time, 20% is discussion) the core of which was that there IS NO PURPOSE OF WIS AS OF NOW look at the postings of DeMichael Crimson, and even he agrees that it will inevitably take YEARS for ccp to realize their vision, and he is fine with it, that first steps must be taken even though they may seem meaningless, that it is all in preparation for the grander scheme of things, hey i am going to repeat it for you one more time, it takes years for ccp to "fix things" christ are you new to the ways of ccp? and then here you are again repeating your juvenile open the door!!! like now!!! foot stomping, not engaging in the discussions, because you just want the door open, like it ain't no thing that just makes me want to get uncivil, stoop to your level, it makes you look gullible, and your cause frivolous what is wrong with dress-up and /emoting with a bunch of dudes? read it again DRESSING UP AND /EMOTING WITH A BUNCH OF DUDES, it's unseemly, and so is your meme flinging and yeah it's a bump, free of charge
Not engaging in the discussions? I guess you just skipped to the end of the thread. What I haven't engaged is obvious and repetitive trolls that only shout "barbie" in their argument against. I would settle for a status update but in the end I want CCP to deliver the promise of WiS.
More folks like "open the door" as a rally cry than not. As to you saying there is no point to WiS at this point, again, I guess reading the actual thread was too much work. There are plenty of folks besides me that have suggested how WiS could make Eve more fun for many of us,
I've been in Eve since the beginning, how long have you been here?
Issler |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.04 04:40:00 -
[2306] - Quote
The people who cry about WiS never actually understood the problems that Incursion represented. They just got caught up in the mob, saw avatars and figured this was the new cool thing to complain about. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.04 06:51:00 -
[2307] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:The people who cry about WiS never actually understood the problems that Incarna represented. They just got caught up in the mob, saw avatars and figured this was the new cool thing to complain about.
Incursion is part of other problem, combined with null anomalies nerf. Which is the main reason of the unsubs anyway. OTT : Not sure whose idea was to remove all carebears from null but i got my guess. |
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
49
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Posted - 2012.01.04 07:33:00 -
[2308] - Quote
Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris." Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil HatGäó |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.04 07:34:00 -
[2309] - Quote
Forum Fighter wrote:Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Mittani nerdraging about Fis.
No, not really. As far as i know compete removing of WiS and NeX are not on CSM agenda. And he does not look like an guy who suffering from reality disconnection to be nerdraging .. |
49125
Lightning Squad
10
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Posted - 2012.01.04 07:51:00 -
[2310] - Quote
Arcathra wrote: I already answered this, but I'll summarize for you again: I am not getting anything out of it unless I know for a fact that I can murder your toon, leave it in a pool of blood and steal your **** in "WiS". Anything less than that, well, please do hurry up and GTFO my game.
Agreed.
Risk. Life. The two are either mutually exclusive (undead) or not (everything else).
In hi-sec you can be kilt easily enough.
Even in life you can be present one second and not, the next. ~
WiS must conform to the established EVE ethos: Life is precious. Life is hard work.
Clones? A buffer. Nothing more.
Rambling - sorry. -v- |
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Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
34
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Posted - 2012.01.04 08:40:00 -
[2311] - Quote
Alpheias wrote: already answered this, but I'll summarize for you again: I am not getting anything out of it unless I know for a fact that I can murder your toon, leave it in a pool of blood and steal your **** in "WiS". Anything less than that, well, please do hurry up and GTFO my game.
What is wrong with you.
You're projecting a little too much here... I think you have some issues outside of your reluctance for Incarna and WiS.....
There are many features in EVE that do not cater to your needs of being an obnoxious psychopath. Being in a station for one. I can't take your stuff, or murder you in station. This is not a new concept. WIS is merely an extension of that.. Oh my goodness, it's so unbearable, what ever will you do...
In WiS, you could look at all your stuffs, and interact with the peoples spread out in the station column no one ever looks at.. Or, you can sit on the couch with a stupid scowl on your face. Your choice, better yet, don't use it... Shocking concept.
Edit: Sorry for the misquote, original quote was Alpheias |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.04 08:49:00 -
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Just to clarify:
This (awful) quote wasn't from me, it was from Alpheias. |
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
34
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Posted - 2012.01.04 09:06:00 -
[2313] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Just to clarify:
This (awful) quote wasn't from me, it was from Alpheias.
I fixed the error. |
Sarion Stormweaver
Spectrum Solutions INC
12
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Posted - 2012.01.04 10:36:00 -
[2314] - Quote
Syphon Lodian wrote:Alpheias wrote: already answered this, but I'll summarize for you again: I am not getting anything out of it unless I know for a fact that I can murder your toon, leave it in a pool of blood and steal your **** in "WiS". Anything less than that, well, please do hurry up and GTFO my game. What is wrong with you. You're projecting a little too much here... I think you have some issues outside of your reluctance for Incarna and WiS..... There are many features in EVE that do not cater to your needs of being an obnoxious psychopath. Being in a station for one. I can't take your stuff, or murder you in station. This is not a new concept. WIS is merely an extension of that.. Oh my goodness, it's so unbearable, what ever will you do... In WiS, you could look at all your stuffs, and interact with the peoples spread out in the station column no one ever looks at.. Or, you can sit on the couch with a stupid scowl on your face. Your choice, better yet, don't use it... Shocking concept. Edit: Sorry for the misquote, original quote was Alpheias
that is an obvious troll. Alpheias doesn't seem to exist on any killboard, and it doesn't look like the psychotic killer she claims to be. So it's either an alt that has never left the station, therefore some sort of WiS would be nice for her. Or it's a forum alt, meaning someone to scared to state their opinions with their main. And looking a bit further at corp details their kills are one member of ER in a gang of 14 killing sitting at chokepoints killing the unsuspecting osprey miner.
And again, yes WiS done right might be nice for me personally because for some long time I no longer have the luxury of playing eve fulltime. And I would like something to do in station in 15 minutes window frames (play some minigame against a player.. and watch my collection of exotic dancers might be a good start).
+1 WiS (done properly) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.04 10:42:00 -
[2315] - Quote
Having satisfied my appetite (my tummy hurts!) for trolling for the rest of the week, it is time to give the only one that has taken the time to actually cook up something decent, a proper reply.
Arcathra wrote: Of course. Why should I take a risk if there is no reward in doing so? Makes no sense. EVE is already about risk vs. reward at every corner. People are choosing constantly what risk they are willing to take for what reward. Why should there be a great risk in socializing? Makes no sense. But great risk in smuggling contraband, that makes perfectly sense. It also makes sense to apply a similar template that is used in the core game (high-sec, low-sec, etc.) to WiS locations.
In my mind, no place in EVE should ever be 100% safe under any circumstances whether you are in a walking around in a station, like you do, or in space and at the moment, though a bit mad, the best comparison I can come up with is RL.
RL is full of opportunities and risks as is EVE so why should a WiS be excluded from both? Because that is how I see WiS.
Arcathra wrote: And so what if I am looking for new ways to socialize with players? Same stupid question. Why is your "griefing" more relevant than socializing? EVE needs both and there has to be some kind of balance. The problem is that the (allowed) griefing-gameplay contradicts with other playing styles that are as valid as griefing. There is always a lot of tension between those player groups. Sadly that is nothing we can really change in a sandbox enviroment. But I think the different security zones in EVE do a really good job to keep this tension as low as possible. Therefore it is a good idea to have some similar system in stations.
I didn't say it was more relevant, only that I was looking for new ways.
And while I agree with you that it creates tension, and far too many (and I know a few in RL.. ) get really upset over shenanigans in a game, I disagree that there has to be safe zones where players are safe from any kind of harm because that frankly doesn't make much sense to me - especially for a game like EVE.
Because I am thinking bounty hunters and assassins stalking their quarry inside a station.
Arcathra wrote: I think you have the wrong impression of me. Did I say that I want to be safe of any kind of hostile actions? Again, read what I'm writing. I said that a game like EVE needs some save spots. You can agree with that or not. There are some of those ingame and it is mostly working as intended (eg high-sec itself, not safe entirely, but enough for most players). Sounds you are also one of the "remove high-sec"-supporters, arn't you? Think this is the wrong thread to discuss such fundamental principles of the game.
So let's agree to disagree and save that debate for another time.
Aye, I am one of those dreadful "remove high-sec" supporters. Shouldn't come as a surprise really.
Arcathra wrote: Just let's assume I really wouldn't undock if you are in system. How is that bothering you? Am I denieing you some kind of "rightful" kill or what is exactly your problem with that? With the famous Hulkageddon approaching, many miners will stop mining because their think the risk is to high. Most of them will just do something else they perceive as not as risky. After the event is over they will start to mine again and be happy about the high mineral prices. Do they also play the wrong game? Seems they get along fine with it... (okay, there are some raging morons who can't and in this case, I'm on your side).
That you don't undock doesn't bother me one bit. Think you misunderstood the context.
I was about to make some witty remark about pro-WiS people being raging morons but then I realized that would just be so mean. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.04 11:35:00 -
[2316] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:In my mind, no place in EVE should ever be 100% safe under any circumstances whether you are in a walking around in a station, like you do, or in space and at the moment, though a bit mad, the best comparison I can come up with is RL.
RL is full of opportunities and risks as is EVE so why should a WiS be excluded from both? Because that is how I see WiS.
Okay, I could live with that. That's the reason I made the proposel that it could work like high-sec/low-sec. Hanging around the promenade or in a bar could be like flying through high-sec. You are not 100% save, somone can "gank" you but then he would be stalked by station security. This would take away much of the uneasiness most players would have but wouldn't be safe. The "lower" part of the station could be the place where the real money could be made, but there is no station security down there to punish the criminals... which would be the reason why criminal transaction would be made there.
Thank you for your constructive input. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1403
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Posted - 2012.01.04 12:08:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
Not engaging in the discussions? I guess you just skipped to the end of the thread. What I haven't engaged is obvious and repetitive trolls that only shout "barbie" in their argument against. I would settle for a status update but in the end I want CCP to deliver the promise of WiS.
More folks like "open the door" as a rally cry than not. As to you saying there is no point to WiS at this point, again, I guess reading the actual thread was too much work. There are plenty of folks besides me that have suggested how WiS could make Eve more fun for many of us,
I've been in Eve since the beginning, how long have you been here?
Issler
This thead is so damned long and confusing we probably already had the discussion twice and forgot it. But my basic take is that I'm happy for future development on Incarna to happen as long as NeX is removed from Eve and there is absolutely zero MT-based content in for the Station environment (ie it ALL needs to be delivered through traditional eve gameplay). No compromise on the NeX issue for me, I think as long as it exists there is a terrible temptation to cheat the players of content they are desperately starved of. Incarna should be about gameplay through industry, shady contacts and recreational activities that all take place in the eve universe and involve players selling player made (or administrated) goods and services to other players.
IF Incarna can only work with MT/NeX then frankly Eve is better off without it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.04 13:45:00 -
[2318] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP! Open the door!!!
I think im putting that in my sig... nice i hope they have a special /grovelingus emote just for you
It's called "the middle finger"...I will be sure to throw one your way whenever I see you.
The NeX issue is irrelevant here. Frankly I don't understand why anybody even cares about the NeX store being there or not. I have seen people complain that NeX is taking away from the people that create stuff...why? You couldn't create clothing before...what makes you think you deserve to now? You can still make every module, ship and piece of ammo you could before...nothing has been "taken" from you at all.
But again...that is the point...if you don't like NeX...IGNORE it. Move on already. The core of EvE is still there for you to play in. Same goes for WiS...if you don't like it...don't use it. You aren't being forced into anything here.
Having a team of devs working on WiS is not going to take anything away from the rest of EvE. CCP still has teams of people working on FiS. And no, your argument of that one team taking 1 or 2 people away from other parts of EvE is not valid. It's like throwing 5 people at a job that only needs 2. You don't need every single dev in CCP working on one thing to get the job done. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.04 14:35:00 -
[2319] - Quote
oh ho the middle finger whatever you say dude with the nsync hairdo
Jade i feel that if incarna is only there for dudes to o7m8 each other than frankly then frankly eve is better without it the problem of wis is not the MT NEX, the problem is the lack of even the slightest indication of "content" the only things on the proposed features are establishments (o7m8ing) and that is useless
industry sounds good but what does "shady contacts" even mean gameplay wise? if you refuse to pay for dress up clothes fine somebody else will, why block ccp from getting their money? and lol according to your podcast you live in WHs so no wis for you most of the time One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:14:00 -
[2320] - Quote
Forum Fighter wrote:Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris." Good. It's nice to see the CSM sticking up for what the vast majority of Eve players want.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:31:00 -
[2321] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Forum Fighter wrote:Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris." Good. It's nice to see the CSM sticking up for what the vast majority of Goonswarm players want.
Fixed it for you. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.04 18:43:00 -
[2322] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Forum Fighter wrote:Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris." Good. It's nice to see the CSM sticking up for what the vast majority of Goonswarm players want. Fixed it for you. It wasn't just Goons who were canceling their accounts after CCP ignored eve for two years. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:43:00 -
[2323] - Quote
As someone who was around in goonfleet proper back in the day, I don't think the majority of goonswarm players actually have an opinion of their own. There are those that do, yea, but they are traditionally seen as less popular unless they can sing. |
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
49
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:43:00 -
[2324] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Forum Fighter wrote:Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris." Good. It's nice to see the CSM sticking up for what the vast majority of Eve players want.
That went right over your head so I'll just let that one go by. Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil HatGäó |
fido gotran over
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.01.04 19:14:00 -
[2325] - Quote
You can load CQ (after like 5 min) then your computer freezes and melts at the same time -- what more do you want?
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.04 20:36:00 -
[2326] - Quote
fido gotran over wrote:You can load CQ (after like 5 min) then your computer freezes and melts at the same time -- what more do you want?
Really? Have you tried upgrading in the last decade?
Bringing attention to this thread...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53700&find=unread
Although perhaps intended as a joke...it's not a bad idea.
Some people need to stop being selfish, ungrateful dicks and start considering what is best for EvE as a whole and CCP as a company. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.01.04 20:55:00 -
[2327] - Quote
fido gotran over wrote:You can load CQ (after like 5 min) then your computer freezes and melts at the same time -- what more do you want?
LOL... any PC that is 100% functional MUST endure 100% load on all components for few days at least. put prime95 for CPU/memory and/or some video benchmark (like 3D mark 11) in the loop all night and it must work. I overclocked my CPU by 50% and my GPU by 30% and in full load over night temperatures don't come near critical point (cpu max 70, gpu max 85 C)
Software can not kill your hardware. If it killed it... try to clean your PC from time to time, change a fan when it is dead and change thermal paste every one or two years. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.04 22:09:00 -
[2328] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Some people need to stop being selfish, ungrateful dicks and start considering what is best for EvE as a whole and CCP as a company. I agree! Why people are demanding that CCP go back to ignoring Eve in favor of space pants is shocking.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.04 22:13:00 -
[2329] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Some people need to stop being selfish, ungrateful dicks and start considering what is best for EvE as a whole and CCP as a company. I agree! Why people are demanding that CCP go back to ignoring Eve in favor of space pants is shocking. Why you seem to think every dev at CCP "MUST" work on EvE and FiS alone and nothing else preventing CCP from expanding and growing is shocking. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.04 22:26:00 -
[2330] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Some people need to stop being selfish, ungrateful dicks and start considering what is best for EvE as a whole and CCP as a company. I agree! Why people are demanding that CCP go back to ignoring Eve in favor of space pants is shocking. Why you seem to think every dev at CCP " MUST" work on EvE and FiS alone and nothing else preventing CCP from expanding and growing is shocking. I would love to see Eve expand and grow. What I don't want to see is CCP ignoring real Eve content to turn our beautiful spaceship game into this. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.04 23:31:00 -
[2331] - Quote
Thought I'd check the thread again.
Still the same asinine arguments.
And someone said WiS should have some inherent risk involved? The same kind of risk enjoyed by ship spinners I suppose.
The haters are reaching... |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.04 23:34:00 -
[2332] - Quote
Really just a goon spamming the same thing over and over, as per usual. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 01:59:00 -
[2333] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Really just a goon spamming the same thing over and over, as per usual. When my arguments are so effective there's no need to change them. I guess it's a benefit of being right all the time. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.05 02:01:00 -
[2334] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Thought I'd check the thread again.
Still the same asinine arguments.
And someone said WiS should have some inherent risk involved? The same kind of risk enjoyed by ship spinners I suppose.
The haters are reaching... hey you got that now, risk-free avatar spinning in your cq One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.05 02:41:00 -
[2335] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Really just a goon spamming the same thing over and over, as per usual. I recomend you try the "hide posts" feature of the forums. There are certain posters who seem to have nothing to add but negativity to any discusion, once you remove them most threads take on a much more positive and civil nature. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.05 03:08:00 -
[2336] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Really just a goon spamming the same thing over and over, as per usual. I recomend you try the "hide posts" feature of the forums. There are certain posters who seem to have nothing to add but negativity to any discusion, once you remove them most threads take on a much more positive and civil nature.
There is a flip side to that coin. I don't see much point of any discussion without both sides, with arguments of all kinds and while I appreciate the input of those that I necessarily don't agree with, I think it is pathetic that you suggest to basically censor the other side.
So talk to yourself in a mirror much? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.05 03:28:00 -
[2337] - Quote
Alpheias wrote: There is a flip side to that coin. I don't see much point of any discussion without both sides, with arguments of all kinds and while I appreciate the input of those that I necessarily don't agree with, I think it is pathetic that you suggest to basically censor the other side.
Quote:But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins?
Quote:Why people are demanding that CCP go back to ignoring Eve in favor of space pants is shocking.
Discussion...
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.05 03:32:00 -
[2338] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Alpheias wrote: There is a flip side to that coin. I don't see much point of any discussion without both sides, with arguments of all kinds and while I appreciate the input of those that I necessarily don't agree with, I think it is pathetic that you suggest to basically censor the other side.
Quote:But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins? Quote:Why people are demanding that CCP go back to ignoring Eve in favor of space pants is shocking. Discussion...
Hey, I didn't make that last quote! :[
And gotta set the stage y'know.... I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.05 03:54:00 -
[2339] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Soulpirate wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Really just a goon spamming the same thing over and over, as per usual. I recomend you try the "hide posts" feature of the forums. There are certain posters who seem to have nothing to add but negativity to any discusion, once you remove them most threads take on a much more positive and civil nature. There is a flip side to that coin. I don't see much point of any discussion without both sides, with arguments of all kinds and while I appreciate the input of those that I necessarily don't agree with, I think it is pathetic that you suggest to basically censor the other side. So talk to yourself in a mirror much? Don't get me wrong, I don't block people for having a difference of opinion, I just block the trolls that don't offer anything to threads but smart ass comments. There are only a few but they make up a lot of the negativity on these forums and quite frankly give the EVE community a bad name.
Also, sadly yes I do spend alot of time in front of the mirror and will continue to until I can get through that damn door. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 04:38:00 -
[2340] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:Don't get me wrong, I don't block people for having a difference of opinion, I just block the trolls that don't offer anything to threads but smart ass comments. I'm relieved because that means you won't be blocking me.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.05 05:46:00 -
[2341] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Disdaine wrote:Alpheias wrote: There is a flip side to that coin. I don't see much point of any discussion without both sides, with arguments of all kinds and while I appreciate the input of those that I necessarily don't agree with, I think it is pathetic that you suggest to basically censor the other side.
Quote:But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins? Quote:Why people are demanding that CCP go back to ignoring Eve in favor of space pants is shocking. Discussion... Hey, I didn't make that last quote! :[ And gotta set the stage y'know....
I think the thread set the stage back on the first page.
What you and harlot have essentially been doing up until now is using insults and taunts instead of constructive criticism.
I guess that's the benefit to always being wrong -- you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 05:50:00 -
[2342] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. Are you really trying to argue that the logical thing for CCP to do is go back to ignoring Eve to work on space pants and more microtransaction content? Really?
Think very carefully before you answer.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
34
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Posted - 2012.01.05 06:26:00 -
[2343] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. Are you really trying to argue that the logical thing for CCP to do is go back to ignoring Eve to work on space pants and more microtransaction content? Really? Think very carefully before you answer. I love how you never branch into the other concepts - Station Gambling, Corporate/Privately Owned Kiosks, Bars, General Hang Outs. Not to mention, Corporate War Rooms, etc. etc.
What you have been doing, along with others (mostly goons), is trolling the entire thread saying "space pants" and "barbie dress-up". At one point, it was trolling. At this point, you've gone over a hundred pages saying the same thing, over and over. It is very, very creepy now. You got your kicks in the beginning, but now you just keep on going, and going and going.... Obsessive doesn't even begin to describe it. Maybe revise your corner and add something else to the discussion, eh? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 06:52:00 -
[2344] - Quote
Syphon Lodian wrote:At one point, it was trolling. At this point, you've gone over a hundred pages saying the same thing, over and over. It is very, very creepy now. Repeating simple concepts in a simple way is apparently the only way to get through to the people who want to see CCP destroy Eve.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.05 06:53:00 -
[2345] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. Are you really trying to argue that the logical thing for CCP to do is go back to ignoring Eve to work on space pants and more microtransaction content? Really? Think very carefully before you answer. *chuckles*
That is not what we are talking about and you know that very well. But it is really funny to see you trying to bring up the same 2-3 arguments that have already been adressed and discussed by us multiple times in a very reasonable way.
You can have a different opinion, but stating it over and over and over again without even trying to address what we are actually talking about doesn't make your statements true in any way.
But please whine more about "space pants" and "microtransactions" that we arn't talking about, I like it . |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.05 06:55:00 -
[2346] - Quote
Syphon Lodian wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. Are you really trying to argue that the logical thing for CCP to do is go back to ignoring Eve to work on space pants and more microtransaction content? Really? Think very carefully before you answer. I love how you never branch into the other concepts - Station Gambling, Corporate/Privately Owned Kiosks, Bars, General Hang Outs. Not to mention, Corporate War Rooms, etc. etc. What you have been doing, along with others (mostly goons), is trolling the entire thread saying "space pants" and "barbie dress-up". At one point, it was trolling. At this point, you've gone over a hundred pages saying the same thing, over and over. It is very, very creepy now. You got your kicks in the beginning, but now you just keep on going, and going and going.... Obsessive doesn't even begin to describe it. Maybe revise your corner and add something else to the discussion, eh?
Station Gambling- alt-tab for eve poker, minigames, oh like on facebook? Corporate/Privately Owned Kiosks- no rather alt-r, corp contracts Bars, General Hang Outs,- bunch of dudes /emote each other, hang out and do what? Corporate War Rooms- discussed a few pages ago, we need a better F10, but not really, a poor excuse for avatars
my message is simple, your demands are frivolous you just want things without explaining merits, it is the pro side that is on trial here
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 06:55:00 -
[2347] - Quote
Syphon Lodian wrote:I love how you never branch into the other concepts - Station Gambling, Corporate/Privately Owned Kiosks, Bars, General Hang Outs. Not to mention, Corporate War Rooms, etc. etc. After seeing what we got for two years of Eve being ignored (namely one rusted out room that melted people's video cards) I don't think CCP has the ability to create those things without investing massive amounts of developer time which would mean another long stretch of real Eve content being ignored.
Players who can't live without that type of gameplay have several other games to choose from. People who like a sandbox internet spaceship game don't. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 06:58:00 -
[2348] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:You can have a different opinion, but stating it over and over and over again without even trying to address what we are actually talking about doesn't make your statements true in any way.
I have addressed all of the pro-WiS arguments at great length throughout this thread and other places. All of my beautifully crafted posts were ignored because people couldn't let go of the idea of turning Eve into some roleplayer fantasy dance party. What I've come to realize is that these people can only process chunks of information that are very small so I started streamlining my discussions into bite-sized chunks and it seems to be getting through much more successfully. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3133
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Posted - 2012.01.05 07:05:00 -
[2349] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Arcathra wrote:You can have a different opinion, but stating it over and over and over again without even trying to address what we are actually talking about doesn't make your statements true in any way. I have addressed all of the pro-WiS arguments at great length throughout this thread and other places. All of my beautifully crafted posts were ignored because people couldn't let go of the idea of turning Eve into some roleplayer fantasy dance party. What I've come to realize is that these people can only process chunks of information that are very small so I started streamlining my discussions into bite-sized chunks and it seems to be getting through much more successfully.
Isn't politics fun! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.05 07:07:00 -
[2350] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: After seeing what we got for two years of Eve being ignored (namely one rusted out room that melted people's video cards)
Reaching...
Don't have a good argument?
Just invent one. |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.05 07:12:00 -
[2351] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. Are you really trying to argue that the logical thing for CCP to do is go back to ignoring Eve to work on space pants and more microtransaction content? Really? Think very carefully before you answer.
Only if itl make you quit the game.
Otherwise I'd rather they worked on WiS content. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.05 07:12:00 -
[2352] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:my message is simple, your demands are frivolous you just want things without explaining merits, it is the pro side that is on trial here
We have explained a lot and there have been a lot of ideas for WiS content but you are not satisfied with them. You have every right to state your opinion and I'm actually very grateful that there are people pointing out the week points of that ideas. But that doesn't mean that you are automatically right or that there is no overall value in WiS as you keep stating.
Ladie Harlot wrote:After seeing what we got for two years of Eve being ignored (namely one rusted out room that melted people's video cards) I don't think CCP has the ability to create those things without investing massive amounts of developer time which would mean another long stretch of real Eve content being ignored. They didn't ignored EVE for two years. You must have been playing a different EVE than me. In those two years were multiple Expansions, some with a lot of content, some with fewer content. Nothing out of the order looking at the years before those two years. And feature abandonment was already practiced before those two years. In those two years they build the carbon framework, something all players do now benefit from because it allows for much easier and faster work on features and changes. Your point is invalid.
It is your and our right to complain about feature abandonment, macro- and microtransactions, a badly implemented captains quarter and the lack of communication. That was done during the "Incarna rage".
Quote:Players who can't live without that type of gameplay have several other games to choose from. People who like a sandbox internet spaceship game don't. We wan't to play EVE and *gasp* we already do it, not those other games. I know, hard to understand for someone like you... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 07:16:00 -
[2353] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: After seeing what we got for two years of Eve being ignored (namely one rusted out room that melted people's video cards)
Reaching... Don't have a good argument? Just invent one. Was there some other WiS content that was released with Incarna that I wasn't aware of? I know the other Captains Quarters were released later but my point still stands.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 07:17:00 -
[2354] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. Are you really trying to argue that the logical thing for CCP to do is go back to ignoring Eve to work on space pants and more microtransaction content? Really? Think very carefully before you answer. Only if itl make you quit the game. Otherwise I'd rather they worked on WiS content. So you don't have an answer. I figured as much.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.05 07:17:00 -
[2355] - Quote
Syphon Lodian wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. Are you really trying to argue that the logical thing for CCP to do is go back to ignoring Eve to work on space pants and more microtransaction content? Really? Think very carefully before you answer. I love how you never branch into the other concepts - Station Gambling, Corporate/Privately Owned Kiosks, Bars, General Hang Outs. Not to mention, Corporate War Rooms, etc. etc.
Every other game that has social areas are 9 times out of 10 empty which makes them, and allow me to be brutally blunt, pointless and the time it took to implement them could have gone to better things.
Secondly, do you have any realistic suggestions to keep people coming? Because sooner or later people will get bored and not bother which again makes them pointless and the time it took to implement could have gone to better things. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.05 07:27:00 -
[2356] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:
We have explained a lot and there have been a lot of ideas for WiS content but you are not satisfied with them. You have every right to state your opinion and I'm actually very grateful that there are people pointing out the week points of that ideas. But that doesn't mean that you are automatically right or that there is no overall value in WiS as you keep stating.
Therein lies the crux of the dilemma for someone like me that doesn't want WiS.
You can come up with ideas for your utopian version of WiS all day long, but have you thought about the issues with the core concept of WiS, with establishments and whatnot, from a game designer's perspective? Few of you do.
If we look beyond the technical challenges that comes with WiS, there is the challenges of making it believable and something that you can immerse yourself in and how do you do that?
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 07:29:00 -
[2357] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. Are you really trying to argue that the logical thing for CCP to do is go back to ignoring Eve to work on space pants and more microtransaction content? Really? Think very carefully before you answer. God, how dense are you?
The only ones saying anything about NEX and MT content is you and a couple of other nay-Sayers. NEX and MT is not relevant to this thread. The NEX and MT was worked on secretly by CCP. Nobody had any idea that CCP was using their resources to develop NEX and MT. If the player base had known about it, that issue would have been addressed rather quickly.
The majority of the playerbase expected WiS due to it being planned and promised a long long time ago. CCP decided to do a secret project of developing NEX and MT instead of fully developing WiS for the Incarna expansion. Along with ignoring the mass amount of bugs currently plaguing Eve, CCP added NEX and MT with a poorly optimized partially developed WiS environment and presented that as the expansion.
That is the problem. By releasing all those aspects together in the Incarna expansion, CCP has now tainted WiS and as such whenever anyone mentions WiS, it brings to mind poor optimization, NEX and MT.
I'm sure everyone except CCP would have no problem with the removal of NEX and the MT items be produced and sold by players. That was the original idea for WiS. The majority of players posting in this thread want fully developed and functioning WiS content, not NEX and MT content.
I would ask that you please rethink your replies before posting in this thread but I know you'll just ignore that and continue to 'Open mouth, insert foot'.
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.05 07:42:00 -
[2358] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Secondly, do you have any realistic suggestions to keep people coming? Because sooner or later people will get bored and not bother which again makes them pointless and the time it took to implement could have gone to better things. It is very hard to achieve that. You have to build new features and new ways to enjoy the game, either by adding content or changing mechanics to make things more interesting. That keeps the game fresh and veterans will resubscribe or keep their subscription. If non-EVE players have the impression that the game is fresh and has a lot of features they may have a look. Most players don't start to play older MMOs because they are afraid that they could be shutted down soon, because there may not be enough players to play with/against, the graphics are not up to date etc. I think CCP has done a good job on keeping the graphics fresh and coming up with some nice features to make gameplay more interesting and more varied. Good examples are wormhole space, incursions and the numerous graphical updates. Of course there are some abandoned features that need some urgent tweaks and revamps. Some of that came with Crucible and even more will come with the next summer expansion.
So I'm asking, why can't WiS be a feature of that kind? If they do it right, it would create additional ways to play the game, bring in more players and may keep older players who venture in other areas of the game. The more varied the game is as a whole, the better for its longevity.
Quote:Every other game that has social areas are 9 times out of 10 empty which makes them, and allow me to be brutally blunt, pointless and the time it took to implement them could have gone to better things. First of all most of those games are very different compared to EVE. Have a look at games that were more like a sandbox. Good example is Star Wars Galaxies. There were gameplay reasons to visit social areas like cantinas and ebcause of that there were almost any time people around. As they removed those gameplay reasons, the cantinas were empty. That is because I understand your points perfectly well. Even if I personaly would be satisfied by social areas, there is a need to create actual gameplay inside of stations.
To shortly outline what my argumentation is: WiS is a good way to create a completly new subset of additional content to cater to new players and veterans alike and would help to keep the game alive and running. To achieve that, there has to be more content than just social areas, although they are important, too. Additionally WiS has to take the overall tone of EVE (sandbox, nowhere is save etc.) into account and tailor that into the WiS experiance to stay true to the original concept of the game. Creating that is no small undertaking and there are other features that need a revamp first and at the moment it is time to clean up and polish a lot of older things in EVE. After that, it would be a good idea to start to work on WiS again with a coherent concept. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 07:47:00 -
[2359] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Syphon Lodian wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. Are you really trying to argue that the logical thing for CCP to do is go back to ignoring Eve to work on space pants and more microtransaction content? Really? Think very carefully before you answer. I love how you never branch into the other concepts - Station Gambling, Corporate/Privately Owned Kiosks, Bars, General Hang Outs. Not to mention, Corporate War Rooms, etc. etc. Every other game that has social areas are 9 times out of 10 empty which makes them, and allow me to be brutally blunt, pointless and the time it took to implement them could have gone to better things. Secondly, do you have any realistic suggestions to keep people coming? Because sooner or later people will get bored and not bother which again makes them pointless and the time it took to implement could have gone to better things.
I and others have already posted in this thread plenty of WiS oriented game play content but you and a couple of other anti WiS posters continue to ignore it. This tells me the intention is to start a flame war and berate others while ranting about non relevant issues. Maybe it's time to start using the 'REPORT' option.
There's multiple possibility's for game play that can be gained from WiS content. Here's a couple of examples, like this and that.
It doesn't take very much imagination to come up with various ideas for game play content. Hell, I'm sure you could even come up with one or two ideas yourself. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.05 07:57:00 -
[2360] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:you can ignore logic and just say the fun things instead. Are you really trying to argue that the logical thing for CCP to do is go back to ignoring Eve to work on space pants and more microtransaction content? Really? Think very carefully before you answer. Only if itl make you quit the game. Otherwise I'd rather they worked on WiS content. So you don't have an answer. I figured as much.
I just gave you my answer.
You just failed to accept it. |
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
546
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Posted - 2012.01.05 10:09:00 -
[2361] - Quote
Both WiS and FiS will be part of eve this is a given. Arguing for or against it is completely dense. You are all being silly.
Both are allready in the game, both will be expanded upon eventually, so far the WiS was terribly implemented and thought out from a perspective of MT and Aurum. For any progress to achieve this needs to go.
Social areas in many games are often crowded, manufacturing areas even more so. Many activities could be done in station from simple socialising to production and even research (or indirectly the producing of datacores for example). A list of possible things to do is only exhausted when somebody imagination would be.
When tied into the economy and the overal sandbox WiS has every potential to become what ambulation promised it would be. Incarna however was terribad.
I hope many of the older ideas that where suggested as far back as 2005 by CCP and players will come to the fore once more and bring us awesome ships to dock in awesome stations blowing up bigger and better and with ever expanding content both outside and inside ships and stations. But never again should one part of the spectrum be completely neglected for another. FiS has been neglected and thus needs to cath up, after that, both can enjoy a good spread of rescources. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:05:00 -
[2362] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Really just a goon spamming the same thing over and over, as per usual. When my arguments are so effective there's no need to change them. I guess it's a benefit of being right all the time.
Arguments ? Heh sound like rhetoric.. meaningless rubble.. As i wrote before you remind me of J. Bush junior. About same sense in 10 word max slogans.
P.S. Just watching how it is going.. seems like few more people in there.. *enjoys reading. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:09:00 -
[2363] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Really just a goon spamming the same thing over and over, as per usual. When my arguments are so effective there's no need to change them. I guess it's a benefit of being right all the time. Arguments ? Heh sound like rhetoric.. meaningless rubble.. As i wrote before you remind me of J. Bush junior. About same sense in 10 word max slogans.
Bush?? is that the reason we can,t open the door
CQ have Bushdoors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHjIb6trxBI I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:22:00 -
[2364] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:\ Many activities could be done in station from simple socialising to production and even research (or indirectly the producing of datacores for example).
The in station factories alone could be awesome. Being able to place jobs with the foreman while looking out on the assembly process, automated machines in Caldari stations, sweat shops / assembly lines for the Minmatar, slaves in Amarr, laid back environments in Gallentee, obviously some of these components existing in all.
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
443
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:34:00 -
[2365] - Quote
EVE player: "There is no gameplay reason to use WiS."
Dev: "Let's introduce gameplay reasons for using WiS - how about moving station services/agents/FiS-related features into stations?"
EVE player: "Devs are forcing WiS down our throat!"
If WiS would be expanded to have some meeting rooms and minigames (without any impact on the FiS game, the FiS economy, ...) it still would be perceived as a useless waste of time by most people I know.
The only way for WiS to be relevant is to have it hook into FiS content in some way (e.g. the drug idea presented at FF, moving agent conversations into WiS, establishing an additional market/"black market" for goods that cannot be sold via the regular market/contracts/...). But as soon as that happens people who wouldn't accept suffering a disadvantage for not using WiS (such as myself) will protest.
WiS seperate from FiS is boring, meaningless and at best a second isolated game that just happens to use the same client and characters as "real" EVE.
WiS tightly interwoven with FiS would be very hard to communicate and probably lead to sizable protests.
It's one thing to think about "what would EVE look like if it were developed in 2012" (in that case WiS would be absolutely mandatory) but it's a completely different thing to take a 8 year-old game with 8 years of habit, expectations, cruft, ... on its back and try to make massive changes to its core gameplay. Some changes you can only make when you relaunch your product. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:59:00 -
[2366] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:\ Many activities could be done in station from simple socialising to production and even research (or indirectly the producing of datacores for example). The in station factories alone could be awesome. Being able to place jobs with the foreman while looking out on the assembly process, automated machines in Caldari stations, sweat shops / assembly lines for the Minmatar, slaves in Amarr, laid back environments in Gallentee, obviously some of these components existing in all.
Personally i think that's a bad idea. I don't play eve to look at pretty graphics/animations, I play it because i like scfi and eve is one of the more interesting scfi MMO's around.
For WIS to work, it needs to have it's own gameplay that is independent form what we have now but still have an effect on the existing game. IMO Incarna should be a small scale RPG that CCP build upon to the level of games like mass effect or fallout.
I honestly think that Incarna is the only way this game is going to evolve and refinement the the FIS stuff is just that, refinement, and we should expect CCP to be constantly improving this content anyway, so i don't really know why we're all arguing... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:19:00 -
[2367] - Quote
i replied constantly for along time in this thread only to go into discussion with 3 trolls ,but :
I think the change of direction from CCP was done in some sort of big panic mode Therefore devoting all the staff they had ,to Crubicle In their panic someone stated to them WIS isn,t wanted by the playerbase,so ditch it . So they stated in a blog WIS will be on the backburner.
The reason they don,t give info ,i think is ,they didn,t expect a thread like this and pro WIS people replying on other threads as well. In their panic ,they didn,t see that WIS was very much alive in the EVE community. I don,t even think the CSM tought in their endeavour to gain some respect, WIS was a big wish by a lot of the players Its to bad they can,t give real info regarding if its possible to get some resources back to WIS(without MT),but understandable
latest reply from a dev https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=604426#post604426
also with no real info. I think we have to wait a while ,so they have some time to sort this out
and who knows ,they come up with a plan to keep everybody happy in some way
grtz
Oldbut...
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:26:00 -
[2368] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Alpheias wrote:Syphon Lodian wrote:
I love how you never branch into the other concepts - Station Gambling, Corporate/Privately Owned Kiosks, Bars, General Hang Outs. Not to mention, Corporate War Rooms, etc. etc.
Every other game that has social areas are 9 times out of 10 empty which makes them, and allow me to be brutally blunt, pointless and the time it took to implement them could have gone to better things. Secondly, do you have any realistic suggestions to keep people coming? Because sooner or later people will get bored and not bother which again makes them pointless and the time it took to implement could have gone to better things. I and others have already posted in this thread plenty of WiS oriented game play content but you and a couple of other anti WiS posters continue to ignore it. This tells me the intention is to start a flame war and berate others while ranting about non relevant issues. Maybe it's time to start using the 'REPORT' option.
Here is one of problems that the pro-WiS crowd is facing, your suggestions and ideas are things that you want to see happen in WiS which I am sure is all great and whatnot but what you are not doing is looking at it from a game designer's perspective because where is the magic cheese?
What would make people keep come back day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year? I just don't see it and unless the game designers have a eureka-moment, I don't think they will either. I am sorry, I just don't.
Something else to consider is this: CCP needs a huge incentive because unless CCP knows for a fact that WiS will print money thorugh the NEX store or through micro-transactions, I don't believe that they will put in much developer time because last time they tried (Incarna and monocles), things didn't go so well for either.
DeMichael Crimson wrote: It doesn't take very much imagination to come up with various ideas for game play content. Hell, I'm sure you could even come up with one or two ideas yourself.
I did - twice. But here is a third, I think CCP should scrap WiS entirely for EVE and if Dust 514 is a success on a almost decade old platform like the PS3, they should finish WoD and if WoD is a success, they should think about adding proper WiS to EVE.
How's that? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 12:35:00 -
[2369] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:The reason they don,t give info ,i think is ,they didn,t expect a thread like this and pro WIS people replying on other threads as well CCP has given info but the pro-WiS nutters don't want to hear it. The reason CCP won't engage in a dialogue with them in this thread is because they are so unreasonable. These are people who won't stop complaining until Eve is back on a path of self-destruction.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:36:00 -
[2370] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:\ Many activities could be done in station from simple socialising to production and even research (or indirectly the producing of datacores for example). The in station factories alone could be awesome. Being able to place jobs with the foreman while looking out on the assembly process, automated machines in Caldari stations, sweat shops / assembly lines for the Minmatar, slaves in Amarr, laid back environments in Gallentee, obviously some of these components existing in all. Personally i think that's a bad idea. I don't play eve to look at pretty graphics/animations, I play it because i like scfi and eve is one of the more interesting scfi MMO's around. For WIS to work, it needs to have it's own gameplay that is independent form what we have now but still have an effect on the existing game. IMO Incarna should be a small scale RPG that CCP build upon to the level of games like mass effect or fallout. I honestly think that Incarna is the only way this game is going to evolve and refinement the the FIS stuff is just that, refinement, and we should expect CCP to be constantly improving this content anyway, so i don't really know why we're all arguing...
I think it would add a level of depth and immersion. It would be a better backdrop than spreadsheets and only spreadsheets. In my opinion. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:43:00 -
[2371] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:The reason they don,t give info ,i think is ,they didn,t expect a thread like this and pro WIS people replying on other threads as well CCP has given info but the pro-WiS nutters don't want to hear it. The reason CCP won't engage in a dialogue with them in this thread is because they are so unreasonable. These are people who won't stop complaining until Eve is back on a path of self-destruction.
you didn,t sleep well didn,t you? I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:43:00 -
[2372] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:The reason they don,t give info ,i think is ,they didn,t expect a thread like this and pro WIS people replying on other threads as well CCP has given info but the pro-WiS nutters don't want to hear it. The reason CCP won't engage in a dialogue with them in this thread is because they are so unreasonable. These are people who won't stop complaining until Eve is back on a path of self-destruction. you didn,t sleep well didn,t you? I usually don't. There's so much posting to be done.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:48:00 -
[2373] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:The reason they don,t give info ,i think is ,they didn,t expect a thread like this and pro WIS people replying on other threads as well CCP has given info but the pro-WiS nutters don't want to hear it. The reason CCP won't engage in a dialogue with them in this thread is because they are so unreasonable. These are people who won't stop complaining until Eve is back on a path of self-destruction. you didn,t sleep well didn,t you? I usually don't. There's so much posting to be done.
so now i understand the overreacting in your post ,while i am only saying that everybody will have to wait for info
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:52:00 -
[2374] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: I usually don't. There's so much posting to be done.
The wise old owl.... |
kurg
Order of the Divine Shadow
5
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:57:00 -
[2375] - Quote
To WiS or not it really doesnt matter, its really all the empty promises CCP tends to make and never keep .. can anyone say planetary flight? .. and dont even get me started on all the empty promises from back in 03-05 they never even kept!
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:58:00 -
[2376] - Quote
essentially wis is as ridiculous for eve as adding w-a-s-d flight controls could be cool but not really One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.05 13:05:00 -
[2377] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Alpheias wrote:Syphon Lodian wrote:
I love how you never branch into the other concepts - Station Gambling, Corporate/Privately Owned Kiosks, Bars, General Hang Outs. Not to mention, Corporate War Rooms, etc. etc.
Every other game that has social areas are 9 times out of 10 empty which makes them, and allow me to be brutally blunt, pointless and the time it took to implement them could have gone to better things. Secondly, do you have any realistic suggestions to keep people coming? Because sooner or later people will get bored and not bother which again makes them pointless and the time it took to implement could have gone to better things. I and others have already posted in this thread plenty of WiS oriented game play content but you and a couple of other anti WiS posters continue to ignore it. This tells me the intention is to start a flame war and berate others while ranting about non relevant issues. Maybe it's time to start using the 'REPORT' option. Here is one of problems that the pro-WiS crowd is facing, your suggestions and ideas are things that you want to see happen in WiS which I am sure is all great and whatnot but what you are not doing is looking at it from a game designer's perspective because where is the magic cheese? What would make people keep come back day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year? I just don't see it and unless the game designers have a eureka-moment, I don't think they will either. I am sorry, I just don't. Something else to consider is this: CCP needs a huge incentive because unless CCP knows for a fact that WiS will print money thorugh the NEX store or through micro-transactions, I don't believe that they will put in much developer time because last time they tried (Incarna and monocles), things didn't go so well for either. DeMichael Crimson wrote: It doesn't take very much imagination to come up with various ideas for game play content. Hell, I'm sure you could even come up with one or two ideas yourself.
I did - twice. But here is a third, I think CCP should scrap WiS entirely for EVE and if Dust 514 is a success on a almost decade old platform like the PS3, they should finish WoD and if WoD is a success, they should think about adding proper WiS to EVE. How's that?
Seems you didn't bother to read this and that.
It's just some rough ideas but there's your Magic Cheese.
NEX and MT is the main problem which the majority of players would like to have removed. Adding more content like I linked above will bring in more players which will make more money for CCP.
Also you didn't post any ideas for game play content, DUST514 is ground based combat and WoD doesn't even relate to Eve.
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.05 13:07:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:essentially wis is as ridiculous for eve as adding w-a-s-d flight controls could be cool but not really Why? Enlighten us please. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.05 13:08:00 -
[2379] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:essentially wis is as ridiculous for eve as adding w-a-s-d flight controls could be cool but not really
About as ridiculous as adding farmville to planets.
Thought eve was all about spaceships..... |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.05 13:34:00 -
[2380] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:essentially wis is as ridiculous for eve as adding w-a-s-d flight controls could be cool but not really About as ridiculous as adding farmville to planets. Thought eve was all about spaceships.....
wow that is just uncalled for, insulting PI because i "insult" your dressup dudes /emoting also shows your ignorance, if wis has even a portion of the market ramifications of PI (turning whole tables of items previously exclusive to npcs into the hands of players + the new taxation mechanics of POCO) i would be pro wis. and what are PI products used for? fis or are you suggesting that with the removal of nex, the volume of clothes traded would rival pos fuels? and traders are going to speculate on pants? lol One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.05 14:05:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote: wow that is just uncalled for, insulting PI because i "insult" your dressup dudes /emoting also shows your ignorance, if wis has even a portion of the market ramifications of PI (turning whole tables of items previously exclusive to npcs into the hands of players + the new taxation mechanics of POCO) i would be pro wis. and what are PI products used for? fis or are you suggesting that with the removal of nex, the volume of clothes traded would rival pos fuels? and traders are going to speculate on pants? lol
So rather than explore the options for integrating WiS in much the same way PI was you'd rather hurf durf about barbies and space pants. Nice job.
Hurrr PI is gonna be all about breeding cattle and producing frozen food, no need for it in our spaceship game hurrr.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.05 14:52:00 -
[2382] - Quote
heh look at you trying to troll me about PI, pitiful
whereas you are only a troll (the useless kind) i am actually going help yall and contribute a pro-wis idea:
the profession of nano-surgery you buy a bunch of corpses off contracts (or pod ppl yourself), you cut off the heads (hold right click and push your mouse up and down) and you walk to a seedy part of the station into an illegal lab (operated by players i guess) with your bag of heads, you pay the fee and engage in a sort of minigame you scan the head, god damn this scrub, no implants, you continue with the next head you see a full set of +4s, woot! then you go to a console and operate nano-needles and try to get the implants out intact (sort of like lock-picking in skyrim) your heart is pounding as you ease your mouse pixel by pixel to control the nano-needles cus if you botch it the head goes splat and you get nuthin. there will be a "nano-surgery" skill book that increases success rate/ access level like salvaging.
it serves 2 purposes 1. a new profession is created 2. with implants added to pod killmails you know how much a corpse is worth, and corpses will become a highly sought after commodity.
but i dunno the whole thing is pretty macabre ccp will never do it One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.05 14:56:00 -
[2383] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:heh look at you trying to troll me about PI, pitiful
whereas you are only a troll (the useless kind) i am actually going help yall and contribute a pro-wis idea:
the profession of nano-surgery you buy a bunch of corpses off contracts (or pod ppl yourself), you cut off the heads (hold right click and push your mouse up and down) and you walk to a seedy part of the station into an illegal lab (operated by players i guess) with your bag of heads, you pay the fee and engage in a sort of minigame you scan the head, god damn this scrub, no implants, you continue with the next head you see a full set of +4s, woot! then you go to a console and operate nano-needles and try to get the implants out intact (sort of like lock-picking in skyrim) your heart is pounding as you ease your mouse pixel by pixel to control the nano-needles cus if you botch it the head goes splat and you get nuthin. there will be a "nano-surgery" skill book that increases success rate/ access level like salvaging.
it serves 2 purposes 1. a new profession is created 2. with implants added to pod killmails you know how much a corpse is worth, and corpses will become a highly sought after commodity.
but i dunno the whole thing is pretty macabre ccp will never do it
for once you amaze me ,so i have to say +1
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.05 14:57:00 -
[2384] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:
Hurrr PI is gonna be all about breeding cattle and producing frozen food, no need for it in our spaceship game hurrr.
"reaching" a bit here are we? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:00:00 -
[2385] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:heh look at you trying to troll me about PI, pitiful
whereas you are only a troll (the useless kind) i am actually going help yall and contribute a pro-wis idea:
the profession of nano-surgery you buy a bunch of corpses off contracts (or pod ppl yourself), you cut off the heads (hold right click and push your mouse up and down) and you walk to a seedy part of the station into an illegal lab (operated by players i guess) with your bag of heads, you pay the fee and engage in a sort of minigame you scan the head, god damn this scrub, no implants, you continue with the next head you see a full set of +4s, woot! then you go to a console and operate nano-needles and try to get the implants out intact (sort of like lock-picking in skyrim) your heart is pounding as you ease your mouse pixel by pixel to control the nano-needles cus if you botch it the head goes splat and you get nuthin. there will be a "nano-surgery" skill book that increases success rate/ access level like salvaging.
it serves 2 purposes 1. a new profession is created 2. with implants added to pod killmails you know how much a corpse is worth, and corpses will become a highly sought after commodity.
but i dunno the whole thing is pretty macabre ccp will never do it for once you amaze me ,so i have to say +1
can be done with more stuff like the broken salvageparts i like it thank you very much I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:30:00 -
[2386] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: the profession of nano-surgery you buy a bunch of corpses off contracts (or pod ppl yourself), you cut off the heads (hold right click and push your mouse up and down) and you walk to a seedy part of the station into an illegal lab (operated by players i guess) with your bag of heads, you pay the fee and engage in a sort of minigame you scan the head, god damn this scrub, no implants, you continue with the next head you see a full set of +4s, woot! then you go to a console and operate nano-needles and try to get the implants out intact (sort of like lock-picking in skyrim) your heart is pounding as you ease your mouse pixel by pixel to control the nano-needles cus if you botch it the head goes splat and you get nuthin. there will be a "nano-surgery" skill book that increases success rate/ access level like salvaging.
Now that's a more constructive leap from:
Taiwanistan wrote:you just want straight up social gaming faggotry so stop spouting your goddamn korean agenda
Add that to CCP's future vision of WiS and we're getting somewhere. http://www.eveonline.com/download/videos/Default.asp?a=download&vid=277 http://www.eveonline.com/download/videos/?type=2
Station based eve / dust interfaces and assassinations.
Groovy.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.05 16:50:00 -
[2387] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote: I think it would add a level of depth and immersion. It would be a better backdrop than spreadsheets and only spreadsheets. In my opinion.
Oh i agree with you there. I want CCP to develop Incarna more but there needs to be some meaningful optional gameplay.
In this thread, we've discussed the pros and cons, and possible gameplay additions for incarna for 2 months now and nobody is saying anything that hasn't already been discussed anymore. The ball is in CCP's court now and we will just have to wait and see if they're kind enough to shed some light on their plans.
It would be nice if CCP did a devblog similar to the one they did on the POCO's, where the players left feedback and helped CCP design part of the game. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.05 21:59:00 -
[2388] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote: I think it would add a level of depth and immersion. It would be a better backdrop than spreadsheets and only spreadsheets. In my opinion.
Oh i agree with you there. I want CCP to develop Incarna more but there needs to be some meaningful optional gameplay. In this thread, we've discussed the pros and cons, and possible gameplay additions for incarna for 2 months now and nobody is saying anything that hasn't already been discussed anymore. The ball is in CCP's court now and we will just have to wait and see if they're kind enough to shed some light on their plans. It would be nice if CCP did a devblog similar to the one they did on the POCO's, where the players left feedback and helped CCP design part of the game.
CCP, are you listening, Rek layed it out for you. You have the ball CCP, now do something with it! |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.05 22:13:00 -
[2389] - Quote
There are so many good ideas on how Incarna can be utilised (war room ftw). I really wish CCP would stop ignoring us and actually engage with us, to make Incarna an amazing experience. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.05 22:48:00 -
[2390] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:There are so many good ideas on how Incarna can be utilised (war room ftw). I really wish CCP would stop ignoring us and actually engage with us, to make Incarna an amazing experience. CCP isn't ignoring anybody. If I was a CCP dev I'd be offended that you guys keep telling lies like that.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.06 00:28:00 -
[2391] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote: I think it would add a level of depth and immersion. It would be a better backdrop than spreadsheets and only spreadsheets. In my opinion.
Oh i agree with you there. I want CCP to develop Incarna more but there needs to be some meaningful optional gameplay. In this thread, we've discussed the pros and cons, and possible gameplay additions for incarna for 2 months now and nobody is saying anything that hasn't already been discussed anymore. The ball is in CCP's court now and we will just have to wait and see if they're kind enough to shed some light on their plans. It would be nice if CCP did a devblog similar to the one they did on the POCO's, where the players left feedback and helped CCP design part of the game. CCP, are you listening, Rek layed it out for you. You have the ball CCP, now do something with it!
+1 (except for the waiting part, I'm ******* sick of waiting). I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.06 00:50:00 -
[2392] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:There are so many good ideas on how Incarna can be utilised (war room ftw). I really wish CCP would stop ignoring us and actually engage with us, to make Incarna an amazing experience.
CCP gave you all an answer, you just don't like what you got. Fair enough, but to keep droning-on and on about it is just going to push any dialog you will get from them out even further.
Maybe if you guys started posting in the relevant forum area CCP would take you more seriously and you could also avoid being trolled?
All I see here are some ideas of what could be (good bad or otherwise), and some pie-in-the-sky expectations, mixed between a lot of crying and foot-stamping that CCP is ignoring you. Maybe if you used the tools at your disposal instead of crying like 10 year olds that you want your candy (answers) now, you'd get some results?
If you are sick of waiting, you should do what other players did when they got sick of CCP mostly abandoning EVE core game features. But lets also be realistic here. How many players do you think you can rally, and what trade publications or media do you think will lend you any press?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.06 00:59:00 -
[2393] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Flamespar wrote:There are so many good ideas on how Incarna can be utilised (war room ftw). I really wish CCP would stop ignoring us and actually engage with us, to make Incarna an amazing experience. CCP gave you all an answer, you just don't like what you got. Fair enough, but to keep droning-on and on about it is just going to push any dialog you will get from them out even further. Maybe if you guys started posting in the relevant forum area CCP would take you more seriously and you could also avoid being trolled? All I see here are some ideas of what could be (good bad or otherwise), and some pie-in-the-sky expectations, mixed between a lot of crying and foot-stamping that CCP is ignoring you. Maybe if you used the tools at your disposal instead of crying like 10 year olds that you want your candy (answers) now, you'd get some results? If you are sick of waiting, you should do what other players did when they got sick of CCP mostly abandoning EVE core game features. But lets also be realistic here. How many players do you think you can rally, and what trade publications or media do you think will lend you any press? Tools. You mean email the CSM, raise the issue in the assembly hall, participate in this thread in general discussion, post suggestions in features and ideas.
It's all been done noob. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:05:00 -
[2394] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Tools. You mean email the CSM, raise the issue in the assembly hall, participate in this thread in general discussion, post suggestions in features and ideas.
It's all been done noob.
Then you wait? And if you don't get the response you want; you decide what to do with your money / time / gameplay.
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
334
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:27:00 -
[2395] - Quote
I want to be able to eat apple pies in Incarna, why evil CCP is not BAKING MY DAMN APPLE PIES??? WHYYYYYY????
TLDR of this 110 page thread.
(also 10 million ways to make apple pies some of them contradicting each other)
meh Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Fondon
Horizon in MOTION
34
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:42:00 -
[2396] - Quote
To me, WiS is all about smuggling and gambling: Texas hold'em. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1040
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Posted - 2012.01.06 03:10:00 -
[2397] - Quote
Reduce quality by 75%. Make characters and environment 50% smaller. Remove roof. Zoom camera way out. Add playable content and multiplayer mode. No?
Get |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.06 04:15:00 -
[2398] - Quote
wow disdain nice selective quoting i bet you had to dig real hard this is from the bottom of page 50
Taiwanistan wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: If CCP had come out and said "WIS is on hold till we totally revamp mining and the moon mineral mess (One word comets!) and then we'll get back to the stations stuff" I'd be doing the "happy miner dance!". But I still believe WiS is key to the long term health of Eve and the sooner they get some part of it done the sooner they break a million subscribers. If they never get back to it I'm predicting 350K subscribers this time next year and 250K in 2013 no matter how many new ships they introduce.
Issler
i agree but don't be pushing out wis for the immediate surge of subs, the only way wis is going to work for me there must be wis-only "New Suff" to do, and not doing existing stuff but i am forced to walk to do it, like buying pirate ships, why would i walk when i can browse contracts? by "New Stuff" i mean careers in eve, professions you can make living with eg mining/trading/combat etc with associated skills why i am opposed to wis is that people seem to want immersion for immersion's sake alone and that is just not compelling enough if the "New Stuff" comes out tomorrow i would do a complete 180 and start wis-ing, but i just can't fathom what that "New Stuff" would be
since that post i thought for a long time before i came up with my idea of the "new stuff" - the nano surgery thing my argument is that if wis has only social faggotry gameplay and dressup, it will be useless and crap, and nobody should call that progress, because EVE is better than that and apart from a few posters that posted ideas, most only indicate "yeah i would love to hang out in a bar with my m8s and chat with my avatar oh and i want a new skirt" without realizing how frivolous they are.
meanwhile they call me ignorant and close-minded because of my stance, many of you still clinging on to the war room idea, lol given current sov mechanics, what the hell you need to plan about? unless they change sov mechanics like you control a whole constellation if you hit 3 control points simultaneously and within 12 hours you need knock out a HQ system or something like that (hell i heard perpentum online has a better sov system) also war room for dust, unless dust maps are procedurally generated (different every time) what the hell do you need to plan it, think back to battlefield 2, also in your war room you would be in first-person view all the time cus your stupid head is blocking the strategic map, what we need is a more powerful F10 that is so good we don't even need to look at dotlan anymore in-game the problem is that you pro-wis are over-thinking things, always needing to find poor excuses to ramrod an avatar to any function that frankly is cumbersome that after about 5 minutes you would just use the god damn hot-key or neocom buttons.
so more ideas and less crying about dress up /emoting useless crap with no merit like a bunch of runts. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.06 04:18:00 -
[2399] - Quote
Fondon wrote:To me, WiS is all about smuggling and gambling: Texas hold'em. see look at this guy, just use this http://www.eohpoker.com/ is it about the avatar or the poker? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.06 05:50:00 -
[2400] - Quote
Here's my shorter, greatly flawed concept because the more detailed one got eaten by these idiotic forums.
This concept basically feeds into the idea that new, unique items with a substantial benefit over many existing ones can be made in WiS and smuggled out into FiS. Or perhaps they are equivalent items that are cheaper to make for whatever reason. Such items could include illegal implants, boosters, modules, and blueprints for either new ships, or modified existing ones (custom torp naga, anyone?). These items basically cannot be created at a pos and for whatever lore reason require the facilities of an entire dockable station.
Some of these items may not even be any better than the ones currently in the game, but perhaps are different enough in some aspect that they are desirable. The tweaking of this would be another matter for another day.
The top level of the station is the capsuleer citadel as described in Burning Life. it is a higher security area of the station and the default "safe" area which has similar rules to highsec. You can open normal legal establishments here. This area is basically home to carebears, roleplayers, socializers, gamblers, and most of the people the anti-wis crowd seems to hate.
Going down a few levels you get to lower security/no security areas. At this point you are basically playing Eve with a Mass Effect-like control scheme for combat. This gives CCP an excuse to put in jogging/sprinting mechanics as well, so you can avoid being shot in the ass.
In the more ghetto areas of the station, your establishment opportunities broaden to chem labs, module/weapons dealing (perhaps creating modified small arms equipment to sell to dust players as well?), illegal research facilities (for blueprints/implants), etc. You could hire NPC or even players to guard your business, and install security systems. It would of course be possible to raid each others establishments, through either brute force or assassination, and cause damage to your opposition. This creates the similar "Eve" feel for pvp people are already used to, but makes it a third person shooter of sorts and changes the setting enough to make it different.
There are probably a million different concepts and ways to smuggle things from the crap sector of the station back up to the Citadel, but i'll cite the one mentioned in Burning Life as using the maintenance area on the outer hull of the station where the scanners are somewhat fuzzy to avoid most of the checkpoints. This also creates a place for peeveepee to happen if you want to play the thug attempting to jump some folks trying to smuggle stuff in/out, similar to how lowsec piracy is.
Another way might be to "backdoor it" through a higher security establishment. If it is done in the open promenade you can be spotted by security and face Consequences(tm). This actually gives the otherwise mostly fluffy carebears something to actually do, even if their part in it is very small. Kind of like how they are in Eve today.
The nice thing about this is once CCP does the ground work for the combat system they can also do things like add dockable combat sequences to missions or exploration sites like they were talking about last fanfest. This can integrate it better to the game without making WiS itself completely irrelevant.
Anyway there are some random ideas, they've got plenty of holes in them but it's a hell of a lot better than some of the barbie concepts out there and it's got plenty of violence and eve mechanics to it. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.06 06:24:00 -
[2401] - Quote
i like your idea, the production of weapons to be sold to dust dudes is right on the money smuggling- interesting i always thought smuggling was from low/null to hi sec but you are talking about inter-station smuggling, and that a hisec station can have a "lawless floor or section" i should also go read Burning Life to get a better idea. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.06 06:39:00 -
[2402] - Quote
Burning life doesn't really focus on the area of smuggling much, outside of one guy who basically sells drugs to agents and other people of importance. There is also another guy who is pretty much a gun runner, though i think he is mentioned in all of one page of the book. It does mention the different security levels of stations to pretty significant detail though, with the citadel being the highest security area. just a basis to work with, really.
It's not that any areas of a station are lawless persay, it's just that nobody really gives a **** if it doesn't directly involve important people (capsuleers, agents, officials, etc.) Certain areas like the outer hull are not even monitored at all, and the characters in the book use it specifically to jump someone. Since capsuleers are not expected to be outside the citadel, well...
When an agent is suspected of murder, for example, the authorities won't even try to touch them for a day or two until they can cover all of their bases legally and move forward. That's just how much power they have.
And Capsuleers have more power than agents. So unless they did something blatently, right in front of security... well you get the idea.
Stations are primarily described as corporation owned cities-in-space. And all cities, regardless of how nice they are, have rough areas. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.06 08:33:00 -
[2403] - Quote
liking the above ideas so far. in addition give the big screen some use You know that somebody is in station and you suspect or know he is doing illegal activities you could use it to sweep the station the with cameras ,looking if somebody is sitting on his couch or get a glimpse of him walking somewhere in station highsecurity lvl cameras are easy to watch cameras at lower sec lvl should have some mechanic to make it just a little bit harder to acces So won,t have to search a station on foot to find somebody,s location
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.06 08:40:00 -
[2404] - Quote
Yea, I just wanna reiterate that I don't really want barbies in stations although i have nothing against it persay as long as its done in the fulfillment of the kind of design I just posted.
I want eve in stations, ya know? Same kind of gameplay, but different enough it's fun in its own right and relevant enough its affecting all aspects of eve.
Hence when I get the "lol u wanna emote and play with barbies" its just like.... no man. that's not even close. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
318
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Posted - 2012.01.06 09:02:00 -
[2405] - Quote
Brujo Loco wrote:I want to be able to eat apple pies in Incarna, why evil CCP is not BAKING MY DAMN APPLE PIES??? WHYYYYYY????
TLDR of this 110 page thread.
(also 10 million ways to make apple pies some of them contradicting each other)
meh
Es m+ís algo del estilo: quiero seguir comiendo en este restaurante, pero los muy imb+¬ciles llevan a+¦os sin cambiar la carta, y cuando dijeron que iban a hacerlo, la cagaron y ahora se han puesto a cambiar los muebles y los cacharros de cocina en vez de a+¦adir m+ís platos.
We want a lot more of more sand for the sandbox, go figure. We are so unspeakingly stupid and evil that we want more things to do just in case we don't like what EVE offers now as "endgame".
Of course, maybe we are hopelessly wrong and we aren't supposed to think that CCP should give us what we want to pay them for. Maybe we are supposed to eat drivel or quit the only restaurant in town rather than go and bother the owners to provide some additional food choices. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.06 09:34:00 -
[2406] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:my argument is that if wis has only social faggotry gameplay and dressup, it will be useless and crap, and nobody should call that progress, because EVE is better than that and apart from a few posters that posted ideas, most only indicate "yeah i would love to hang out in a bar with my m8s and chat with my avatar oh and i want a new skirt" without realizing how frivolous they are. You gave some nice input, thank you for that, but... what the hell is wrong with you?
Why is it "social faggotry", please explain that a little bit further. Why are people who like those things "frivolous"? And why is "EVE [...] better than that"? Do you think the core concept of spaceship gameplay is vastly superior to other forms of gameplay? If so, why are other forms of gameplay bad and why is it a bad idea to expand EVE with other forms of gameplay? What are the cons in your opinion? Instead to just post insults why not try to argument and go a bit further into details than to insult other people? You have already shown that by our constant pressure you actually can put some coherent ideas together. Why do you just start to troll again? Do you have some kind of reputation to loose that is undermined by posting useful things? |
W1rlW1nd
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.01.06 10:46:00 -
[2407] - Quote
... Haven't read all the hundred previous pages so i appologize in advance:)
Assuming WiS will have its own seperate servers or something so it doesn't interfere with spaceshipz, I'd love something to do in WiS that adds onto the variety that EVE has to offer, something like what MassEffect does.
But even without any of that 'massive' amount of planning and game developement, keep CQ the same-- but once stepping through the door-- just LOD down the current EVE character models, steal all the animation motions from Dust, and let capsuleers buy guns and shoot at each other inside stations Maybe not all stations, maybe just contestable ones.
And even more, I'd love for Dust to have some mechanic for PS3 players to shuttle up to EVE stations [maybe not all stations], so that I can hunt them down and shoot them in the face and unleash my frustration of not having either a PS3 or a PC version of Dust. As a member of the capsuleer elite, I'd expect to be able to buy superior Dust style armor and hand weaponry abord station [through the LP store perhaps] so that I can repel those dirty planetside boarders!
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Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
77
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Posted - 2012.01.06 10:51:00 -
[2408] - Quote
WiS would need:
Quote:Combat in Station
Player controlled Security Rating*
Customizable quarters (trophies, furniture, etc)
Exploration of station (ties in with the first 'need')
In short, if I lead the WiS; you Vets would love it and the n00bs would cry as you space them (yes, you could space people in my WiS)
*Basically, in sub-0.5 stations owned by players you'd "hire" Private Military (NPCs) to protect your station and other players that visit.
I should note that my goal has always been to design a world in which the player must, because he wants to, ask himself / herself if they want to log out; more often than not the desire to stay in wins. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.06 11:26:00 -
[2409] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:my argument is that if wis has only social faggotry gameplay and dressup, it will be useless and crap, and nobody should call that progress, because EVE is better than that and apart from a few posters that posted ideas, most only indicate "yeah i would love to hang out in a bar with my m8s and chat with my avatar oh and i want a new skirt" without realizing how frivolous they are. You gave some nice input, thank you for that, but... what the hell is wrong with you? Why is it "social faggotry", please explain that a little bit further. Why are people who like those things "frivolous"? And why is "EVE [...] better than that"? Do you think the core concept of spaceship gameplay is vastly superior to other forms of gameplay? If so, why are other forms of gameplay bad and why is it a bad idea to expand EVE with other forms of gameplay? What are the cons in your opinion? Instead to just post insults why not try to argument and go a bit further into details than to insult other people? You have already shown that by our constant pressure you actually can put some coherent ideas together. Why do you just start to troll again? Do you have some kind of reputation to loose that is undermined by posting useful things?
He trolled a lot here,but was also capable of not repeating himself over and over again. He made me see that WIS indeed has to have a function within in EVE IF WIS would be more then that 1 room,in the beginning its only a expansion of that 1 room Later on, if it would be possible,you have to have a reason to dock and walk around and do things. Maybe for a lot of people socialising is enough,but WIS have to have some function tied to the FIS part of this game,you get a lot less haters. don,t forget that WIS in the beginning will be nothing more then walking around and hopefully evolves in something bigger That is if CCP ever will be put some time in WIS I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.06 11:47:00 -
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Here's an idea I have for WiS station interior layout. The door in the Captains Quarters would open to an elevator that gives access to 4 other levels inside the station.
Station Elevator Buttons: 5
Button 1 = Captains Quarters This takes you to your own personal Captains Quarters. This area is where you access the Docking Bay and conduct all operations pertaining to your ship and personal cargo. This is where you change your clothes and your appearance such as hair, make-up, etc. This area could be customized by adding 'Collectible Items' such as 'Head in a Jar', various interactive Holoreel's and Books, Medals, etc. Could also add some sort of 'Pet' such as Fish Tank, Dog, Cat, Bird, etc.
This is the main spawn location (1of 3) within the station for your character. When logging into the game, your character is lying on the bed asleep, wakes up and gets ready for action. When logging out of the game while in your Captains Quarters, your character lays down on the bed and goes to sleep. If you get disconnected while in WiS mode, this is the usual spawn location for your character.
Button 2 = Promenade Deck This is the top area of the station consisting of 1 large split level room. It would have large viewing ports that showcase the Nebula's as well as showing any ships outside the station. Here you can check if you're being station camped. In the center (Lower level) of this area would be a Concord Sanctioned PvP Arena for doing FPS 1v1 and small team matches along with Bookie's available to place bet's on these Arena fights.
These Arena fights could be worked sorta like the Alliance Tournaments. Would have both 1v1 and Team battles. Could split it up into scheduled stages at various stations starting with Constellation Tryouts, Regional Preliminary's, Factional Qualifying and ending with Inter-Factional Competitions. This is just a basic overview providing a starting point of the idea which can be expanded on later.
Button 3 = Command Deck This area would contain various private Conference Rooms for Corporate meetings. These Conference Rooms are reserved for and can only be accessed by Corporations renting an Office in that specific station. This area would also include a few different War Room's with access to Planetary, System, Constellation and Regional 3D maps for SOV Warfare and interacting with DUST 514. There would also be a Station Command Center (usually off-limits) and a Medical Bay.
The Medical Bay is the 2nd spawn location for your character within the station. Either when using Jump Clones or when waking up in your Medical Clone after being killed.
Button 4 = Retail Deck This area contains various player run Custom Shops, Bars, Casinos, etc. This is also where the stations Security Office with holding cells (Brig) is located. Get drunk, punch someone in the face and you'll spend at least a couple of hours in the Brig along with paying a fine. Maybe even have personal security status dictate the amount of ISK needed to post bail (Get out of Jail card). Maybe even have special Bounty Agents here?
The Security Office is the 3rd spawn location for your character within the station. Logging in and out would be like in the Captains Quarters, having your character lying on the bunk in the cell.
Button 5 = Storage Deck This is the bottom area of the station that contains various storage compartments and small dimly lit rooms equipped with a cot, small table and a couple of chairs for black market deals. This is where you can acquire and trade Contraband items. This area would also have special agents hidden away in various locations. Maybe some of those Agents have missions classified as Contraband Retrieval.
Maybe have this area tough to navigate which could cause the player to become lost? Make a wrong turn along the way and find yourself stumbling around in the shadows for hours. Probably should have bought that 'Basement Map' from the NPC Sleaze Bag hanging round at the entrance to the 'Retail Deck'.
Anyway, Skills would pertain to all activity's. If someone who isn't skilled tries to smuggle contraband down to the lower area of the station, there's a random chance of them getting caught, Contraband confiscated, finding themselves in the Brig having to pay an ISK fine. Or if engaged in Arena fights, the level of Logistic skills trained and Medic equipment fitted could mean the difference between life and death, er um, I meant winning and losing.
These are all basic ideas that can be expanded on. I wasn't sure about the interaction with regular Agents. Probably have those Agents located on the Command Deck. |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.06 11:50:00 -
[2411] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: in addition give the big screen some use
+1
You know how people are always asking for a combat arena? It would be cool if CCP implemented that and showed the battles on screen in CQ and the public areas. Then maybe there could be a system that lets us gamble on the outcome of fights.
It would be kind of like having the alliance tournaments everyday. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.06 12:03:00 -
[2412] - Quote
I've already mentioned these ideas in this thread. I've added a bit more thought on these scenarios that combine PvP and PvE with FiS and WiS.
DUST514 Interaction
While in your ship or in station, your personal communicator (Aura?) activates an alarm informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on one of your planets. You contact the Dust 514 Commander and inform him to meet you in the War Room to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the War Room are 3-D visual maps. You both access the Planetary Map, check the PI facility's and surrounding area. You both verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team which is waiting at the 1st drop zone on the planet.
You travel to the planet with the supplies loaded in your ship, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy player ships. You make a call to your Corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat starts happening in space while the DUST ground forces engage each other.
As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy player ships when more enemy player ships warp in and you find yourself locked and tackled. Dust Commander informs you his team is boxed in and needs those supplies now.
Station Lockdown
You log into the game with the sound of alarms going off in your Captains Quarters. The main viewscreen informs you that the station is under Security Lockdown (no docking or undocking) due to an Invasion force (Sansha and or Mercs). You and other players trapped inside the station must Hack into various Medical and Security Lockers for weapons, munitions and 1st Aid equipment. Players then go deck by deck, seeking out and killing all NPC invaders encountered, Salvaging their corpses for more weapons, munitions, body armor, etc..
Players must make their way to the Station Command Center and deactivate the Security Lockdown allowing players access to the docking bay. Only problem is that all other station areas must be cleared first before accessing the Command Deck. Question is: What will you do? Do you attempt this solo? Create a gang with other players for tactical combat and medical support? Stay inside your Captains Quarters and hope somebody else deactivates the Security Lockdown?
This could implement some new skills being seeded into the game, such as Medic and Commando skills. Maybe even have another skill added to the Leadership group like - Infiltration - ability to lead a small team of Commando's and infiltrate a station that's under 'Security Lockdown'.
Anyway, I was thinking there could also be some special Radar and Mag sites based on the 'Station Lockdown' scenario. Could just be 1or 2 decks with various rooms filled with broken equipment scattered around that can be Hacked and Salvaged. Of course there would also be NPC FPS inside.
Low sec and 0.0 space would allow PvP FPS inside so best to have some fleet mates along.
I'm sure it'll be quite a while before we see anything like that in-game. However, hopefully it does happen eventually. Then we can all truly say - 'Eve Is Real'.
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.06 12:05:00 -
[2413] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: He trolled a lot here,but was also capable of not repeating himself over and over again. He made me see that WIS indeed has to have a function within in EVE IF WIS would be more then that 1 room,in the beginning its only a expansion of that 1 room Later on, if it would be possible,you have to have a reason to dock and walk around and do things. Maybe for a lot of people socialising is enough,but WIS have to have some function tied to the FIS part of this game,you get a lot less haters. don,t forget that WIS in the beginning will be nothing more then walking around and hopefully evolves in something bigger That is if CCP ever will be put some time in WIS
Yes, you are right. And I understood from the rare bright moments of our "friends" that stations need some kind of risk involved too, to stay true to the universe and the general setting of EVE. They showed me that point of view and I can understand why this would be important.
So, thumbs up to our trolls, sometimes they are actually useful and help to understand a different point of view . |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.06 12:45:00 -
[2414] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:So, thumbs up to our trolls, sometimes they are actually useful and help to understand a different point of view .
At your service. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2012.01.06 18:18:00 -
[2415] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: He trolled a lot here,but was also capable of not repeating himself over and over again. He made me see that WIS indeed has to have a function within in EVE IF WIS would be more then that 1 room,in the beginning its only a expansion of that 1 room Later on, if it would be possible,you have to have a reason to dock and walk around and do things. Maybe for a lot of people socialising is enough,but WIS have to have some function tied to the FIS part of this game,you get a lot less haters. don,t forget that WIS in the beginning will be nothing more then walking around and hopefully evolves in something bigger That is if CCP ever will be put some time in WIS
Yes, you are right. And I understood from the rare bright moments of our "friends" that stations need some kind of risk involved too, to stay true to the universe and the general setting of EVE. They showed me that point of view and I can understand why this would be important. So, thumbs up to our trolls, sometimes they are actually useful and help to understand a different point of view .
Of course, those same points were raised several weeks ago (before our current batch of trolls entered the thread), by people discussing how they would like things to progress from this point.
Still, they do server their purpose. It's just that sometimes that purpose is not the one they intended. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.06 19:47:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:i like your idea, the production of weapons to be sold to dust dudes is right on the money smuggling- interesting i always thought smuggling was from low/null to hi sec but you are talking about inter-station smuggling, and that a hisec station can have a "lawless floor or section" i should also go read Burning Life to get a better idea. Holy ****! Did you guys turn him into Pro WiS while I was away?!
For the record the biggest reason I have wanted WiS was for the ideas presented at fanfest last year for bounty hunting and drug running. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.06 20:24:00 -
[2417] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:i like your idea, the production of weapons to be sold to dust dudes is right on the money smuggling- interesting i always thought smuggling was from low/null to hi sec but you are talking about inter-station smuggling, and that a hisec station can have a "lawless floor or section" i should also go read Burning Life to get a better idea. Holy ****! Did you guys turn him into Pro WiS while I was away?! For the record the biggest reason I have wanted WiS was for the ideas presented at fanfest last year for bounty hunting and drug running.
I guess my concept for WiS wasn't as outlandish as I thought.
I doubt harlot would endorse it, as I also doubt harlot would endorse any form of WiS however it was presented. In fact if WiS suddenly meant wanking in space and actually referred to the current space gameplay, I think he would still be against it.
But hey, you can't win em all. Especially an account created for trolling and nothing else. |
Irumani
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.01.06 21:24:00 -
[2418] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:The vast majority of the player base does still want WIS, there has been increasing demand for some years now.
However:
They want it implemented in the way that was outlined in the beginning, with engaging game play that made sense to take place in that environment.
They want it developed to the point that it is worthwhile before it is released.
They want it developed with a REASONABLE percentage of Dev resources devoted to it, not most of them.
They want it to be tech stable before it is released, and running smoothly.
They want it to be optional.
They want it to compliment and enhance FIS content.
They want any items produced by/for Incarna to be produced by the community and tie directly into the existing industry infra structure.
Simply put, they want it to be worth while, fun, and have a point.
Until they get a handle on how to do this, further development is pointless.
Work on the plan, not the product at this point.
qft.
You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
- CCP Wrangler |
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
34
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Posted - 2012.01.06 21:32:00 -
[2419] - Quote
Am I understanding this correctly... Mostly aimed at the hardcore WiS opponents in this threadnaught...
You hate WiS, you hate the concept of it, and you will never use it ever. So, much in the same way that you never used CQ once and disabled station environment and started shooting statues for hours.. you'll just not use it because it's not worth it and it will kill EVE, etc.
BUT.
According to your logic, it would need "gameplay elements" to be accepted. So let me get this straight. You completely hate it, but you'd like for it to have essential gameplay elements (i.e. probably not totally optional and somewhat compulsory). Basically, arguing against yourselves.
I've seen a few decent ideas from the WiS haters, albeit sarcastic, but still some progress. Like bringing a head to the bounty office and ripping implants from it. Neat concept, but EVE is rated Teen, so no... implied perhaps, but no. |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.06 22:50:00 -
[2420] - Quote
One of the first things they could do imo would be to incorperate WiS into missions.
What I mean is, do your normal FiS mission with a station or ship at the end that needs to be boarded and the rest of the mission is then completed "on foot". This way we could get out of our CQ's and expand the feel of the whole EVE experience and we wouldn't have to worry about the large crowds, buying some time to get the tech tweaked, while at the same time giving us a little more room to move.
I personaly don't have a problem with them releasing bits of content over time and slowly expanding where we can walk and what we can do i a WiS capacity. All the FiS content wasn't added on day one and I don't really want to wait a couple more years for ALL of WiS to get launched at once.
The sooner we see some more WiS content the better, even if it's baby steps. FiS improvements seem to be moving along and I doubt they will back off that for while nor should they ever, but if we get to Dust514 without some more WiS to tie into it, that will be a huge tragedy imo. |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.06 22:51:00 -
[2421] - Quote
Syphon Lodian wrote:Am I understanding this correctly... Mostly aimed at the hardcore WiS opponents in this threadnaught...
You hate WiS, you hate the concept of it, and you will never use it ever. So, much in the same way that you never used CQ once and disabled station environment and started shooting statues for hours.. you'll just not use it because it's not worth it and it will kill EVE, etc.
BUT.
According to your logic, it would need "gameplay elements" to be accepted. So let me get this straight. You completely hate it, but you'd like for it to have essential gameplay elements (i.e. probably not totally optional and somewhat compulsory). Basically, arguing against yourselves.
I've seen a few decent ideas from the WiS haters, albeit sarcastic, but still some progress. Like bringing a head to the bounty office and ripping implants from it. Neat concept, but EVE is rated Teen, so no... implied perhaps, but no.
I'd be happier if CCP did not touch WiS for a long time because in many ways I see WiS as a separate product as the current iteration of WiS (Incarna) is just basically a testbed.
While I am not a fan of WiS if it just caters to a group of players however, I am also for a WiS that different groups of players could and would enjoy. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
34
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Posted - 2012.01.06 23:15:00 -
[2422] - Quote
That's the thing.
No one really knows how far along they are in WiS development. I think a lot of people take it for granted that they are "nowhere" because they only released a couple of CQ's and the 'door'. My bet is they have the framework in place (obviously), and were in the stage of tinkering with features and seeing how the playerbase was going to handle it.
Well, we know the end to that story.
It's a well known fact that CCP has been using World of Darkness resources and manpower to tinker on EVE, and not just WiS, but FiS too. There is plenty of maneuver room here, imho.
I don't think many would argue against 1 or 2 WiS goodies per expansion, have it as a secondary or tertiary feature under the shadow of FiS "war" stuff. They can start by releasing the full NeX store, as in the stuff on the market that nobody can use. Better yet, decommission the NeX and dump it into the player market. (Leave the NeX on actually, but only leave the monocle so the world doesn't drown in troll-tears.)
Make better use of the big-screen. There would be little to no development resources going into this. You're essentially putting videos in a folder and letting it play. Right now, it just flashes stuff that is 99% irrelevant to stuff I'm interested in, hence why I replace the CONCORD movie file with a Family Guy episode.
There is plenty of stuff they could be doing that wouldn't be cutting into FiS development, instead of giving off the impression that they've abandoned WiS completely, and wasted all these years hyping and creating it for nothing. Basically all I'm saying is, a little thing here and there, and a decent "feature" per-expansion would be a good start. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.06 23:17:00 -
[2423] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Syphon Lodian wrote:Am I understanding this correctly... Mostly aimed at the hardcore WiS opponents in this threadnaught...
You hate WiS, you hate the concept of it, and you will never use it ever. So, much in the same way that you never used CQ once and disabled station environment and started shooting statues for hours.. you'll just not use it because it's not worth it and it will kill EVE, etc.
BUT.
According to your logic, it would need "gameplay elements" to be accepted. So let me get this straight. You completely hate it, but you'd like for it to have essential gameplay elements (i.e. probably not totally optional and somewhat compulsory). Basically, arguing against yourselves.
I've seen a few decent ideas from the WiS haters, albeit sarcastic, but still some progress. Like bringing a head to the bounty office and ripping implants from it. Neat concept, but EVE is rated Teen, so no... implied perhaps, but no. I'd be happier if CCP did not touch WiS for a long time because in many ways I see WiS as a separate product as the current iteration of WiS (Incarna) is just basically a testbed. While I am not a fan of WiS if it just caters to a group of players however, I am also for a WiS that different groups of players could and would enjoy.
So we're both basically of the same mind then. Well not entirely, you're still pretty psychotic.
But wouldn't it have been more productive if you hadn't started throwing insults right out the door? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.06 23:30:00 -
[2424] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Alpheias wrote:Syphon Lodian wrote:Am I understanding this correctly... Mostly aimed at the hardcore WiS opponents in this threadnaught...
You hate WiS, you hate the concept of it, and you will never use it ever. So, much in the same way that you never used CQ once and disabled station environment and started shooting statues for hours.. you'll just not use it because it's not worth it and it will kill EVE, etc.
BUT.
According to your logic, it would need "gameplay elements" to be accepted. So let me get this straight. You completely hate it, but you'd like for it to have essential gameplay elements (i.e. probably not totally optional and somewhat compulsory). Basically, arguing against yourselves.
I've seen a few decent ideas from the WiS haters, albeit sarcastic, but still some progress. Like bringing a head to the bounty office and ripping implants from it. Neat concept, but EVE is rated Teen, so no... implied perhaps, but no. I'd be happier if CCP did not touch WiS for a long time because in many ways I see WiS as a separate product as the current iteration of WiS (Incarna) is just basically a testbed. While I am not a fan of WiS if it just caters to a group of players however, I am also for a WiS that different groups of players could and would enjoy. So we're both basically of the same mind then. Well not entirely, you're still pretty psychotic. But wouldn't it have been more productive if you hadn't started throwing insults right out the door?
don,t care how the thread started,i like the way its going now
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.06 23:33:00 -
[2425] - Quote
Syphon Lodian wrote:Am I understanding this correctly... Mostly aimed at the hardcore WiS opponents in this threadnaught...
You hate WiS, you hate the concept of it, and you will never use it ever. So, much in the same way that you never used CQ once and disabled station environment and started shooting statues for hours.. you'll just not use it because it's not worth it and it will kill EVE, etc.
BUT.
According to your logic, it would need "gameplay elements" to be accepted. So let me get this straight. You completely hate it, but you'd like for it to have essential gameplay elements (i.e. probably not totally optional and somewhat compulsory). Basically, arguing against yourselves.
I've seen a few decent ideas from the WiS haters, albeit sarcastic, but still some progress. Like bringing a head to the bounty office and ripping implants from it. Neat concept, but EVE is rated Teen, so no... implied perhaps, but no.
Even if WiS just used the current game engine to introduce some sort of player controlled robot fighting it would be better than a stupid social sim. Nothing flashy or expensive, it would give an "arena" of sorts for people into that sort of thing and as long as the robots are player produced and get damaged or destroyed it would be OK. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.07 06:06:00 -
[2426] - Quote
Syphon Lodian wrote:Am I understanding this correctly... Mostly aimed at the hardcore WiS opponents in this threadnaught...
You hate WiS, you hate the concept of it, and you will never use it ever. So, much in the same way that you never used CQ once and disabled station environment and started shooting statues for hours.. you'll just not use it because it's not worth it and it will kill EVE, etc.
BUT.
According to your logic, it would need "gameplay elements" to be accepted. So let me get this straight. You completely hate it, but you'd like for it to have essential gameplay elements (i.e. probably not totally optional and somewhat compulsory). Basically, arguing against yourselves.
I've seen a few decent ideas from the WiS haters, albeit sarcastic, but still some progress. Like bringing a head to the bounty office and ripping implants from it. Neat concept, but EVE is rated Teen, so no... implied perhaps, but no.
yes i will still hate it, if they really come through with the ripping implants out of heads thing, after i collect a good number like 50 or so heads i would turn on cq, walk to the lab, rip the implants and sell the implants on the market and turn off cq again why? for the isk, (i am not exactly space-rich) i am a wis hater but if there are compelling amounts of isk involved i would deal with it all HTFU-like http://incursions.nexsoft.de/?mode=guide&sid=1&id=10 wow just imagine what i could rip off of those heads
and for the industrialists they can have a ton of new stuff to make, ammo, vehicles, etc to for the dust dudes (if the ps3 dudes have the isk to pay for it)
but so far ccp has no "roadmap" for wis except for 2 measly words, establishments, and smuggling (smuggling how? multi-layers of a stations?) and and taking ccp at their word so far i am going to assume that wis is going to be crap for at least 2 years. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.07 08:53:00 -
[2427] - Quote
Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.
Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Issler
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.07 10:25:00 -
[2428] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.
Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Issler
Like people have posted over and over, you have had your answers. Are you stupid? Why cant you understand "WIS is on the back burner and we have no current plans".
I think thats pretty clear. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
318
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Posted - 2012.01.07 10:53:00 -
[2429] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.
Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Issler
Like people have posted over and over, you have had your answers. Are you stupid? Why cant you understand "WIS is on the back burner and we have no current plans". I think thats pretty clear.
No, they have not answered in OUR thread, in OUR terms.
Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:33:00 -
[2430] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.
Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Issler
Like people have posted over and over, you have had your answers. Are you stupid? Why cant you understand "WIS is on the back burner and we have no current plans". I think thats pretty clear. No, they have not answered in OUR thread, in OUR terms. Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.
Why should they come to the thread when they have said it a million times already? Have you thought about why they have not posted in this thread? Maybe the thread is ****. Maybe they don't want to answer a bunch of people having a tantrum, they had enough of that last summer. Maybe they don't want to repeat themselves when they have made the situation is clear. Maybe they don't want to post in a trolled thread.
There is any number of reasons CCP have not posted here. Still you have your answers, why should they post on your terms at all? |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:34:00 -
[2431] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.
Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Issler
lol you sound mad, but like madness One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.07 12:05:00 -
[2432] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Back in the day, they treated hysterical women with electricity, but that seems to be the least of your personal problems if you are paying CCP $600 a month for your seven accounts though I am sure they won't mind.
And yes, be a wood elf again. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.07 13:02:00 -
[2433] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.
Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Issler
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: No, they have not answered in OUR thread, in OUR terms.
Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.
LOL, don't let the door in your Captain's closet hit you two in the ass on your way out. CCP already answered you here, in this very thread. I guess you missed it, because you can't see through your tears (which are delicious).
A handful of players stamping their feet, making threats, telling CCP what they must do, while acting like children will never convince them to give you any attention. If you cannot wait until March when players and CCP are face to face then you should definitely HTFU, GTFO and GBTW, a game much more suited for children.
Seriously, just listen to yourselves. Don't threaten to quit, JUST DO IT ALREADY!
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2012.01.07 13:16:00 -
[2434] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.
Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Issler
Like people have posted over and over, you have had your answers. Are you stupid? Why cant you understand "WIS is on the back burner and we have no current plans". I think thats pretty clear. No, they have not answered in OUR thread, in OUR terms. Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.
LOL what a pathetically ridiculous self deluded sense of self entitlement you have.....personally if i was a CCP dev id buy a baseball bat, etch "BACKBURNER" into it then smack you right in the forehead with it...honestly seems to be the only way the message will get through. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.07 13:55:00 -
[2435] - Quote
and there it goes ,finally some constructive discussion and we got some new throlls and of course screaming the same as the other few trolls,nothing new at least the old trolls were able to put in some constructive replies
we know that CCP stated that WIS is on the backburner. Butt the lack of info regarding that decision ,that is wat we ask We all know CCP acted in panic All we want to know : how far was WIS before it was put on Ice What were the expatiations regarding WIS in the future And if possible do they see any chance ,to go back at WIS and keep everybody happy
We put it on the backburner,doesn,t answer these questions I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
55
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Posted - 2012.01.07 14:03:00 -
[2436] - Quote
I think its pretty clear that WIS was a complete failure. I have nothing against it, and it might even have been a decent feature. But CCP dropped the ball and most people have lost faith in it.
After years of planning it took them 7 months to add one captains quarter and another 5 for the next three while another team (WoD) was working on the engine. I have no faith left in their ability to create WiS content. What should we expect for stations? 2 years per race? More?
I think CCP rightly fears the backlash they will see if they try to put out another 6 or 7 Incarnas in a row. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.07 14:06:00 -
[2437] - Quote
Cindy Marco wrote:I think its pretty clear that WIS was a complete failure. I have nothing against it, and it might even have been a decent feature. But CCP dropped the ball and most people have lost faith in it.
After years of planning it took them 7 months to add one captains quarter and another 5 for the next three while another team (WoD) was working on the engine. I have no faith left in their ability to create WiS content. What should we expect for stations? 2 years per race? More?
I think CCP rightly fears the backlash they will see if they try to put out another 6 or 7 Incarnas in a row.
we don,t ask for another Incarna I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.07 14:18:00 -
[2438] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.
with this kind of posting you can't blame us trolls for trolling One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
318
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Posted - 2012.01.07 14:45:00 -
[2439] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
LOL, don't let the door in your Captain's closet hit you two in the ass on your way out. CCP already answered you here, in this very thread. I guess you missed it, because you can't see through your tears (which are delicious).
What does make you think that you know this thread better than I? Do you seriously think i may have missed the blue tag left on this thread when CCP Phantom moderated it on October 27th, as can be seen in page 12, post #225? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.07 15:02:00 -
[2440] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
LOL, don't let the door in your Captain's closet hit you two in the ass on your way out. CCP already answered you here, in this very thread. I guess you missed it, because you can't see through your tears (which are delicious).
What does make you think that you know this thread better than I? Do you seriously think i may have missed the blue tag left on this thread when CCP Phantom moderated it on October 27th, as can be seen in page 12, post #225?
Because you still think you can dictate terms to CCP, by claiming they didn't answer you, when they did. You are either an idiot, or just acting like a baby hoping CCP will come and stick a pacifier in your mouth.
In either case you should just leave if the answers you have already received are not sufficient.
case in point:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.
They've already said it clearly, they have no plans. When they do have plans they will tell us. Bitching every day in this thread that you are being ignored is not going to magically create a workable gameplan. If you have suggestions for CCP there is a forum area specifically for contributing and a thread already exists there. All you are doing here is proving to everyone you know how to act like a child when you don't get something you want.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.07 15:10:00 -
[2441] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote: All you are doing here is proving to everyone you know how to act like a child when you don't get something you want.
Give the space barbie supporters credit where its due, they are doing more than that.
They are entertaining us as well. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:43:00 -
[2442] - Quote
I see a lot of trolling happening now.
That Blue Tag on page 12 in this thread was:
CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high. We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.
It's really ironic to see this post on page 8.
Cozmik R5 wrote:I'm not reading thru 12 pages for this...
THE UNDOCK BUTTON IS RIGHT THERE !!!
<----------
That means about 4 pages worth of posted replies were removed.
Then someone (I know who it was) got butthurt and reported my posted reply on page 18:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:FiS has just about run out of areas to expand on for new game content. The Final Frontier is WiS and the last stop will be combining FiS and WiS. This game is evolving and needs to expand. Eve is changing and you'll either have to adapt or go jump into a Bio-Vat.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love FiS and I welcome WiS into the game. But I'd rather have CCP fix and finish all existing game content first before working on any new content, even if it takes CCP a few years to do it. The funny thing is just by doing that it'll seem like new content has been added.
Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom.
I guess since CCP Phantom had already posted once in the thread, he didn't need to post again because I didn't see any other Dev post. I stopped checking after page 50. Maybe someone else would like to check page 51 and up to see if there are any other Dev replies posted.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
318
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:02:00 -
[2443] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:I see a lot of trolling happening now. That Blue Tag on page 12 in this thread was: CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high. We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff. It's really ironic to see this post on page 8. Cozmik R5 wrote:I'm not reading thru 12 pages for this...
THE UNDOCK BUTTON IS RIGHT THERE !!!
<---------- That means about 4 pages worth of posted replies were removed. Then someone (I know who it was) got butthurt and reported my posted reply on page 18: DeMichael Crimson wrote:FiS has just about run out of areas to expand on for new game content. The Final Frontier is WiS and the last stop will be combining FiS and WiS. This game is evolving and needs to expand. Eve is changing and you'll either have to adapt or go jump into a Bio-Vat.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love FiS and I welcome WiS into the game. But I'd rather have CCP fix and finish all existing game content first before working on any new content, even if it takes CCP a few years to do it. The funny thing is just by doing that it'll seem like new content has been added.
Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom. I guess since CCP Phantom had already posted once in the thread, he didn't need to post again because I didn't see any other Dev post. I stopped checking after page 50. Maybe someone else would like to check page 51 and up to see if there are any other Dev replies posted.
I've been reading this thread since October 27th and... that's all. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:32:00 -
[2444] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Back in the day, they treated hysterical women with electricity, but that seems to be the least of your personal problems if you are paying CCP $600 a month for your seven accounts though I am sure they won't mind. And yes, be a wood elf again.
The dollar figure includes other players that would leave with me as well.
Issler |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:42:00 -
[2445] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Alpheias wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Back in the day, they treated hysterical women with electricity, but that seems to be the least of your personal problems if you are paying CCP $600 a month for your seven accounts though I am sure they won't mind. And yes, be a wood elf again. The dollar figure includes other players that would leave with me as well. Issler
DO IT!!! PLEASE GBTW!!
That would teach mean ol' CCP that you mean serious business.
Wait, weren't you threatening to alert the media too? What happened to that? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:21:00 -
[2446] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to. I see we've arrived at the empty threat portion of the negotiation.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:56:00 -
[2447] - Quote
This has been something they have been promising for years, and have been claiming to have put a lot of resources into it. It's reasonable to see people pissed off that they are not getting what they waited for.
The reason they want a clarified response isn't because CCP didn't tell them what they wanted to hear. It's because CCP gives vague, bullshit responses that do not give a clear indication as to their intent. "On the backburner" could mean that it's slowly getting dev time, so we can look forward to it in another five years. Or it could mean it's getting zero dev time and it's on freeze indefinitely, possibly never to see the light of day again. It could mean it's just up for review, and in an expansion or two when they get a better plan itl be full throttle again.
That kind of vague bullshit is a good corporate tactic because it keeps community managers from stuffing their own foot up their mouth when they say some dumb **** they weren't supposed to by accident. It doesn't help the community at all though.
To you guys, it doesn't matter, because all "on the backburner" means to you is that you're getting resources where you want them. Great, that's nice and we're all happy for you. But that's not relevant to us. We just want a clear indication of where things are headed since we've already waited years for this stuff to happen. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:11:00 -
[2448] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote: To you guys, it doesn't matter, because all "on the backburner" means to you is that you're getting resources where you want them. Great, that's nice and we're all happy for you. But that's not relevant to us. We just want a clear indication of where things are headed since we've already waited years for this stuff to happen.
EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time.
Sound familiar?
You guys are bitching because CCP has not said or done anything visibly with WIS for 2 months. My tiny violin, let me play it for you.
Seriously, I think you guys can wait until fanfest. If not, unsub until then assuming they throw you a bone in March. Maybe they have a big surprise for you? If so, where/when do you think they will announce it? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:50:00 -
[2449] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:This has been something they have been promising for years, and have been claiming to have put a lot of resources into it. It's reasonable to see people pissed off that they are not getting what they waited for.
The reason they want a clarified response isn't because CCP didn't tell them what they wanted to hear. It's because CCP gives vague, bullshit responses that do not give a clear indication as to their intent. "On the backburner" could mean that it's slowly getting dev time, so we can look forward to it in another five years. Or it could mean it's getting zero dev time and it's on freeze indefinitely, possibly never to see the light of day again. It could mean it's just up for review, and in an expansion or two when they get a better plan itl be full throttle again.
That kind of vague bullshit is a good corporate tactic because it keeps community managers from stuffing their own foot up their mouth when they say some dumb **** they weren't supposed to by accident. It doesn't help the community at all though.
To you guys, it doesn't matter, because all "on the backburner" means to you is that you're getting resources where you want them. Great, that's nice and we're all happy for you. But that's not relevant to us. We just want a clear indication of where things are headed since we've already waited years for this stuff to happen.
If you really, really want an answer I can give it to you and unlike anything CCP will tell you it could well be the truth.
WIS is on the "backburner" needs explaining and expanding on, backburner implies that something is not a priority, perhaps the opposite of "under development" or "we are working on it". With me so far? OK good.
CCP has long claimed things like FW and other things are "being worked on" and "under development". Observe the work done on FW and the other features and you get a feeling for what CCP mean by "we are working on it". CCP didn't even bother to turn up to the FW feature at fanfest.
Now if "being on the back burner" is indeed the antithesis of "we are working on it" that would be a very good indicator of how much effort they are putting into it.
There you go, there is your answer. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
368
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:03:00 -
[2450] - Quote
(shouting)
I REALLY WISH I COULD FIND THE DEV RESPONSE WITHOUT FLIPPING THROUGH A 113 PAGE THREADNAUGHT.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:24:00 -
[2451] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Kuronaga wrote: To you guys, it doesn't matter, because all "on the backburner" means to you is that you're getting resources where you want them. Great, that's nice and we're all happy for you. But that's not relevant to us. We just want a clear indication of where things are headed since we've already waited years for this stuff to happen.
EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time. Sound familiar? You guys are bitching because CCP has not said or done anything visibly with WIS for 2 months. My tiny violin, let me play it for you. Seriously, I think you guys can wait until fanfest. If not, unsub until then assuming they throw you a bone in March. Maybe they have a big surprise for you? If so, where/when do you think they will announce it?
I don't want a surprise. When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught, they don't want a surprise either. If they were going to surprise us it would have been five years ago.
I want the content I've been waiting for and supporting. If that isn't going to be a reality, I would like them to just flatout say it and not play the "let's hide behind buzzwords and phrases" PR game.
Jhagiti probably has the right idea on how things are actually going, and honestly thats my overall impression right now. It's a fairly negative impression, and it could be mended somewhat with some actual open honesty from CCP, even if it was just reinforcing that belief. I'm not some crybaby and im probably not going to ragequit if they dont fully implement WiS, but I'm also not going to continue to support a devteam that is choking on their foot the majority of the time.
Translucence. Try that as a buzzword for a month and see how your fanbase appreciates it, CCP. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:49:00 -
[2452] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:The reason they want a clarified response isn't because CCP didn't tell them what they wanted to hear. It's because CCP gives vague, bullshit responses that do not give a clear indication as to their intent. "On the backburner" could mean that it's slowly getting dev time, so we can look forward to it in another five years. Or it could mean it's getting zero dev time and it's on freeze indefinitely, possibly never to see the light of day again. It could mean it's just up for review, and in an expansion or two when they get a better plan itl be full throttle again.
There is no upside for CCP giving any more specific information. The space barbie fetishists are crazy people and won't accept the info that has already been given and if they sent any other devs in here they would just be abused by people who are demanding that CCP take actions that they know will be harmful to the future of their game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:50:00 -
[2453] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:[quote=Doc Fury][quote=Kuronaga] When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught, Very, very few posts in this thread are pro-WiS. Also 100 pages isn't a threadnaught.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:51:00 -
[2454] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote: I don't want a surprise. When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught, they don't want a surprise either. If they were going to surprise us it would have been five years ago.
I want the content I've been waiting for and supporting. If that isn't going to be a reality, I would like them to just flatout say it and not play the "let's hide behind buzzwords and phrases" PR game.
So, when you say "fanbase", you are referring to the handful of people posting over and over again in this thread demanding answers? The relevant thread in the CSM area and the "what 3 things do you want to see in the next expansion thread" is more representative of the actual WIS "fanbase".
Also, a threadnaught occurs within days and not over 2.5 months, and involves a majority of like minded players. In this thread, we have 100 pages where the majority of the posters are telling the pro-WIS people to step off, and the few who have a reasonable agenda are pitching "do this" feature ideas in the wrong forum area.
Again, my tiny violin, let me play it for you. If you and others are that pissed off, why are you all still paying and posting here when you already know CCP is not going to concede to what might at best work out to be less than half a percent of the players?
I wanted the FIS content I was paying for that CCP had built up and promised for the last 4+ years in their TV ads, trailers and marketing materials, but instead we got half baked expansions because their efforts were divided elsewhere. Ultimately all they could show us for all that WASTED Dev time, cash and effort was a closet with a door we could not open and a new graphics engine designed primarily for their now-defunct emo vampire MMO and whatever other "games" they wanted to gamble on making.
CCP is struggling and very focused right now to save their collective asses, and you are oblivious to that because you don't seem to realize where their revenue comes from TODAY.
I've never seen a TV commercial promoting WIS content. Have you? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 02:09:00 -
[2455] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:CCP is struggling and very focused right now to save their collective asses, and you are oblivious to that because you don't seem to realize where their revenue comes from TODAY. The truth is that they aren't oblivious. They know that CCP has finally started focusing on actual Eve content and they are upset about it.
It boggles the mind. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 03:00:00 -
[2456] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Alpheias wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.
Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????
Back in the day, they treated hysterical women with electricity, but that seems to be the least of your personal problems if you are paying CCP $600 a month for your seven accounts though I am sure they won't mind. And yes, be a wood elf again. The dollar figure includes other players that would leave with me as well. Issler hey don't do this, please.... last time some moron got his own thread locked because he was advocating unsubbing, it was that party pooper cipher jones, who told ppl to unsub for a month when hulkageddon begins One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
121
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:01:00 -
[2457] - Quote
What boogles the mind; is the length of this thread. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
svetlana
Constellation Guard
26
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:47:00 -
[2458] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: Very, very few posts in this thread are pro-WiS. ...
It may just be how one interprets the responses in here, but from how I perceive it, it seems more like half the posts are PRO WiS, in that half the players/scratch/forumWarriors want it turned into something "fun or rewarding to do" but not the unfinished version of what it is right now.
"I really want WiS to be turned into something amazing, but it doesn't really do anything yet, which is very disappointing to most players." <-- I'd call that a pro WiS statement, but against what it is now.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 05:14:00 -
[2459] - Quote
svetlana wrote:it seems more like half the posts are PRO WiS Then either you haven't actually read the entire thread or you're just lying to make the space barbie fetishists look better.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
47
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:15:00 -
[2460] - Quote
why............. wont............... this................. thread............. die. |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:17:00 -
[2461] - Quote
Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot.
Doc Fury wrote:Kuronaga wrote: I don't want a surprise. When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught, they don't want a surprise either. If they were going to surprise us it would have been five years ago.
I want the content I've been waiting for and supporting. If that isn't going to be a reality, I would like them to just flatout say it and not play the "let's hide behind buzzwords and phrases" PR game.
So, when you say "fanbase", you are referring to the handful of people posting over and over again in this thread demanding answers? The relevant thread in the CSM area and the "what 3 things do you want to see in the next expansion thread" is more representative of the actual WIS "fanbase". Also, a threadnaught occurs within days and not over 2.5 months, and involves a majority of like minded players. In this thread, we have 100 pages where the majority of the posters are telling the pro-WIS people to step off, and the few who have a reasonable agenda are pitching "do this" feature ideas in the wrong forum area. Again, my tiny violin, let me play it for you. If you and others are that pissed off, why are you all still paying and posting here when you already know CCP is not going to concede to what might at best work out to be less than half a percent of the players? I wanted the FIS content I was paying for that CCP had built up and promised for the last 4+ years in their TV ads, trailers and marketing materials, but instead we got half baked expansions because their efforts were divided elsewhere. Ultimately all they could show us for all that WASTED Dev time, cash and effort was a closet with a door we could not open and a new graphics engine designed primarily for their now-defunct emo vampire MMO and whatever other "games" they wanted to gamble on making. CCP is struggling and very focused right now to save their collective asses, and you are oblivious to that because you don't seem to realize where their revenue comes from TODAY. I've never seen a TV commercial promoting WIS content. Have you?
Normally when you advertise something specific, and it works, you keep doing it.
Empyrean age was how long ago?
Hmm. I guess it didn't work. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 05:20:00 -
[2462] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot. It's a bunch of roleplaying crap. If the devs spend any time on garbage like that it would take away from real Eve content.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 05:23:00 -
[2463] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot. It's a bunch of roleplaying crap. If the devs spend any time on garbage like that it would take away from real Eve content.
Shooting people in the face is roleplaying crap?
I'm sorry to hear it would take away from your real fake internet spaceship content. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
47
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:24:00 -
[2464] - Quote
IF CCP could support both FIS and WIS then I would be ok. But they have proven that they are clearly incapable of doing so.
Thus the only sane conclusion is
Bye bye WIS and good riddance. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
47
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:25:00 -
[2465] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot. It's a bunch of roleplaying crap. If the devs spend any time on garbage like that it would take away from real Eve content. Shooting people in the face is roleplaying crap?
I like to shoot my gf in the face when we are done roleplaying. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 05:28:00 -
[2466] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot. It's a bunch of roleplaying crap. If the devs spend any time on garbage like that it would take away from real Eve content. Shooting people in the face is roleplaying crap? I like to shoot my gf in the face when we are done roleplaying.
giggidy giggidy |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 05:28:00 -
[2467] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:I'm sorry to hear it would take away from your real fake internet spaceship content. How on earth is spaceship content "fake" in an internet spaceship game?
This is what I mean when I say the pro-WiS crowd has become crazy.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.08 07:01:00 -
[2468] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:I'm sorry to hear it would take away from your real fake internet spaceship content. How on earth is spaceship content "fake" in an internet spaceship game?
Possibly because they are not real spaceships, ergo they are fake. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 07:56:00 -
[2469] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time.
Sound familiar?
You guys are bitching because CCP has not said or done anything visibly with WIS for 2 months. My tiny violin, let me play it for you.
Seriously, I think you guys can wait until fanfest. If not, unsub until then assuming they throw you a bone in March. Maybe they have a big surprise for you? If so, where/when do you think they will announce it?
2011.12.09 20:24 is when you first posted in these forums. You've been in a NPC corp for almost 5 years and most likely have very little standing built up with NPC Agents, Factions and Corps. Probably have just enough skills trained up to scout and light a cyno. This tells me that someone has brought you here in an attempt to bolster and give credence to all Anti-WiS posted replies. Obviously this type of facade is being done by a few different players.
Since you're almost 5 years old, you know damn well that WiS and WoD have not been taking all of the Dev Resources for +4 years. That's gotta be the biggest nonfactual statement that I've seen yet in this thread. Also grouping WiS and WoD together shows a complete lack of information on your part.
Players have been asking CCP to fix and finish game content ever since Beta. Players have also been asking for WiS ever since Ambulation was revealed. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 08:08:00 -
[2470] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
There is no upside for CCP giving any more specific information. The space barbie fetishists are crazy people and won't accept the info that has already been given and if they sent any other devs in here they would just be abused by people who are demanding that CCP take actions that they know will be harmful to the future of their game.
Any more posted remarks made by you or any other players using terms or making references such as 'Space barbie fetishists', 'Crazy', 'Crybabies', etc. will be reported as offensive, insulting troll remarks intended to berate players and incite a Flame war.
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot. It's a bunch of roleplaying crap. If the devs spend any time on garbage like that it would take away from real Eve content. Actually that post has a lot of good ideas for potential new game play to enhance Eve content which doesn't pertain much to role playing.
Obviously you didn't bother to read it and your use of the word 'crap' and 'garbage' to describe it is both insulting and offensive. This type of vindictive posting is not beneficial or helpful to the Community and portrays the Forum Community in a negative viewpoint. |
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:35:00 -
[2471] - Quote
I think emotions run a bit high here at the moment. Can you haters please stop to repeat insulting people?
But I have to be fair here. We really do have the answer from CCP that WiS is on the backburner and we will not see any new WiS related content in the near future. We might not like it, but the haters are right on this. We know through other threads and dev blogs that devs posted that there are currently no devs working on the graphical aspects of WiS and that teams who worked on WiS content were moved to other teams or given other tasks.
Yes, it is a bit frustrating that they didn't answered that questions in this thread that is all about WiS and that they seem to ignore our questions. Yes, we have some questions (I already stated a few) that we would like to have answered and that we are not that clear about. But I can understand that they simply don't want to or don't can answer them at the moment. I'm not demanding anything. There is no reason to make such an uproar. Let's wait until fanfest, maybe we get some new infos about the future of WiS there. If they will refuse to tell us anything about it at fanfest, we can still start our uproar and shoot the Jita Monument or something...
Even that I really would like WiS to "happen", I can understand the tough decision CCP made and I wouldn't quit when WiS wouldn't happen.
So my messege to the supporters is: Please stay calm and don't let the haters troll you. We will get our answers sooner or later and if someone wants to take the appropriate steps, he can. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:55:00 -
[2472] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: It's a bunch of roleplaying crap.
Real spaceship pilot checking in.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/09/30/laliberte-cp-RTXP3UO.jpg |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
318
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:01:00 -
[2473] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:I think emotions run a bit high here at the moment. Can you haters please stop to repeat insulting people? But I have to be fair here. We really do have the answer from CCP that WiS is on the backburner and we will not see any new WiS related content in the near future. We might not like it, but the haters are right on this. We know through other threads and dev blogs that devs posted that there are currently no devs working on the graphical aspects of WiS and that teams who worked on WiS content were moved to other teams or given other tasks. Yes, it is a bit frustrating that they didn't answered that questions in this thread that is all about WiS and that they seem to ignore our questions. Yes, we have some questions (I already stated a few) that we would like to have answered and that we are not that clear about. But I can understand that they simply don't want to or don't can answer them at the moment. I'm not demanding anything. There is no reason to make such an uproar. Let's wait until fanfest, maybe we get some new infos about the future of WiS there. If they will refuse to tell us anything about it at fanfest, we can still start our uproar and shoot the Jita Monument or something... Even that I really would like WiS to "happen", I can understand the tough decision CCP made and I wouldn't quit when WiS wouldn't happen. So my messege to the supporters is: Please stay calm and don't let the haters troll you. We will get our answers sooner or later and if someone wants to take the appropriate steps, he can.
All your argument clashes against a single fact:
There is CCP staff whose only purpose is to talk to community.
And nobody of them has come and said anything relevant to the topic sicne CCP Phantom's platitude that 3 CQs were to be released. Every other piece of info we've got we've got it elsewhere, by indirect means. Nobody has taken 5 minutes to come here and a say "now you must wait, that's all we got to say".
If they have nothing to say, then they should come here and say so. That would be end of thread. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:04:00 -
[2474] - Quote
You can dock your ship in my real station any day.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
If they have nothing to say, then they should come here and say so.
PARADOX |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:35:00 -
[2475] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:[quote=Doc Fury][quote=Kuronaga] When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught, Very, very few posts in this thread are pro-WiS. Also 100 pages isn't a threadnaught.
You're talking crap as usual. Most of the people in this thread are in favour of the idea behind WIS in some form or another. There are just a few pathetic people like yourself that keep spamming the same old crap without being able to make any valid arguments. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 10:56:00 -
[2476] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Arcathra wrote:I think emotions run a bit high here at the moment. Can you haters please stop to repeat insulting people? But I have to be fair here. We really do have the answer from CCP that WiS is on the backburner and we will not see any new WiS related content in the near future. We might not like it, but the haters are right on this. We know through other threads and dev blogs that devs posted that there are currently no devs working on the graphical aspects of WiS and that teams who worked on WiS content were moved to other teams or given other tasks. Yes, it is a bit frustrating that they didn't answered that questions in this thread that is all about WiS and that they seem to ignore our questions. Yes, we have some questions (I already stated a few) that we would like to have answered and that we are not that clear about. But I can understand that they simply don't want to or don't can answer them at the moment. I'm not demanding anything. There is no reason to make such an uproar. Let's wait until fanfest, maybe we get some new infos about the future of WiS there. If they will refuse to tell us anything about it at fanfest, we can still start our uproar and shoot the Jita Monument or something... Even that I really would like WiS to "happen", I can understand the tough decision CCP made and I wouldn't quit when WiS wouldn't happen. So my messege to the supporters is: Please stay calm and don't let the haters troll you. We will get our answers sooner or later and if someone wants to take the appropriate steps, he can. All your argument clashes against a single fact: There is CCP staff whose only purpose is to talk to community. And nobody of them has come and said anything relevant to the topic sicne CCP Phantom's platitude that 3 CQs were to be released. Every other piece of info we've got we've got it elsewhere, by indirect means. Nobody has taken 5 minutes to come here and a say "now you must wait, that's all we got to say". If they have nothing to say, then they should come here and say so. That would be end of thread. i thought what Arcathra was pretty reasonable, and has a good grasp of the situation while you and the OP issler sound dumber by the post, those ccp staff you are referring to are the community managers/spokespersons and their job is to relay ccp's stance which they have already done by choosing not to respond,
it took 6 months after the anom nerfs, with its many overnight threadnaughts, the genuinely massive outcries for ccp greyscale to state "ok it wasn't such a great idea, i will re-visit this issue in a few months" so you can't wait for 2 months until fanfest? jesus christ One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
318
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 11:00:00 -
[2477] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:You can dock your ship in my real station any day. Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
If they have nothing to say, then they should come here and say so.
PARADOX
Not at all. Not say anything = passive action; saying you don't have anything to say = active action. They're whole different beasts, yet both imply an action and thus responsability.
So far CCP is responsible for not doing anything about this thread, and so we correspondingly keep the thread alive and demand an action to be taken.
I really hope this doesn't confuses you mind, as in my experience some people (sane and adult) really have a hard time grasping the concept of passive responsability. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.08 11:02:00 -
[2478] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
All your argument clashes against a single fact:
There is CCP staff whose only purpose is to talk to community.
Yes, but as we all know customer service's only goal is to do as little as possible until they're fired or find another job.
edit: actually this applies to most of CCP |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
318
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 11:14:00 -
[2479] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
All your argument clashes against a single fact:
There is CCP staff whose only purpose is to talk to community.
Yes, but as we all know customer service's only goal is to do as little as possible until they're fired or find another job. edit: actually this applies to most of CCP
That's cheap, dude. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.08 12:01:00 -
[2480] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:I'm sorry to hear it would take away from your real fake internet spaceship content. How on earth is spaceship content "fake" in an internet spaceship game? Possibly because they are not real spaceships, ergo they are fake.
Flame tag : Maybe Ladie Harlot is one of those neo-conservatives who thinks that we all live in some kind of MATRIX and the **** he do in EVE have some relevance on other dimension, therefore it is REAL but not in our REALITY / flame
*Keeps reading. |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.08 14:57:00 -
[2481] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time.
Sound familiar?
You guys are bitching because CCP has not said or done anything visibly with WIS for 2 months. My tiny violin, let me play it for you.
Seriously, I think you guys can wait until fanfest. If not, unsub until then assuming they throw you a bone in March. Maybe they have a big surprise for you? If so, where/when do you think they will announce it?
2011.12.09 20:24 is when you first posted in these forums. You've been in a NPC corp for almost 5 years and most likely have very little standing built up with NPC Agents, Factions and Corps. Probably have just enough skills trained up to scout and light a cyno. This tells me that someone has brought you here in an attempt to bolster and give credence to all Anti-WiS posted replies. Obviously this type of facade is being done by a few different players. Since you're almost 5 years old, you know damn well that WiS and WoD have not been taking all of the Dev Resources for +4 years. That's gotta be the biggest nonfactual statement that I've seen yet in this thread. Also grouping WiS and WoD together shows a complete lack of information on your part. Players have been asking CCP to fix and finish game content ever since Beta. Players have also been asking for WiS ever since Ambulation was revealed.
Was there a point in there someplace, because if so I am missing it. Are you now claiming my posting in this thread is a part of some big conspiracy? Yes, this is an alt, which happens to be 5 years old. I have others much older and younger. I dunno' about you, but I'm one of those players with multiple accounts and alts. I even have some of those dirty industrial alts, and have participated in *gasp* mining as well as PVP and nullsec political faggotry. I also am one of those Pro-FIS people that unsubbed last year when CCP tried to force a cash shop and more broken, unfinished content down our throats under the guise of :excellence:. I came back in December when CCP begged me to via free game time on the cusp of Hilmar's apology.
I'd suggest that you check out the old forums where I was very vocal about the direction of the game and CCP incompetence for most of this character's 5 year life.
You also need to train reading comprehension to at least level 3, because I never said ALL Dev resources were diverted to WIS and WOD. I said EVE core gameplay was starved, and because of that we got half-baked unfinished expansions and unpatched bugs were left to languish. Also, WIS (incarna) and the underlying tech (Carbon) developed for WIS are very much tied to WOD, CCP built it as a foundation for WOD and we are its beta testers who pay for that privilege. It seems you being incredulous here, or maybe you just don't have a clue what you are talking about. I suspect both are true.
But hey, nice try at an ad hominem attack, I guess you have run out of real arguments why CCP should waste time responding to you again here after they already have. I think you need another layer of tinfoil for your hat. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 19:13:00 -
[2482] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Any more posted remarks made by you or any other players using terms or making references such as 'Space barbie fetishists', 'Crazy', 'Crybabies', etc. will be reported as offensive, insulting troll remarks intended to berate players and incite a Flame war.
lol
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Obviously you didn't bother to read it and your use of the word 'crap' and 'garbage' to describe it is both insulting and offensive. This type of vindictive posting is not beneficial or helpful to the Community and portrays the Forum Community in a negative viewpoint. I read every word of his post. It was horrible.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:14:00 -
[2483] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Was there a point in there someplace, because if so I am missing it. Are you now claiming my posting in this thread is a part of some big conspiracy? Yes, this is an alt, which happens to be 5 years old. I have others much older and younger. I dunno' about you, but I'm one of those players with multiple accounts and alts. I even have some of those dirty industrial alts, and have participated in *gasp* mining as well as PVP and nullsec political faggotry. I also am one of those Pro-FIS people that unsubbed last year when CCP tried to force a cash shop and broken content down our throats under the guise of :excellence:. I came back in December when CCP begged me to via free game time on the cusp of Hilmar's apology. Heh, I can also claim I have 1/2 dozen alts doing all sorts of different things. None of that matters. The only thing your reply does is confirm you are posting with an alt character which helps lend credence and validation to others that share the same viewpoint. I never said it was a big conspiracy but that's a good representation. Basically it's known as 'Stacking The Deck'.
I highly doubt CCP begged you to come back. The free game time offer via Hilmar's apology was done way before December but hey, I understand you wanted to wait for the expansion even though the dreaded cash shop and various unfinished / broken game content is still in the game.
FYI - Everyone here is Pro-FiS.
Doc Fury wrote:I'd suggest that you check out the old forums where I was very vocal about the direction of the game and CCP incompetence for most of this character's 5 year life.
Referencing the old forums is irrelevant to this thread. By the way, I was very active on those as well and quite frankly, I don't recognize your name.
Doc Fury wrote:You also need to train reading comprehension to at least level 3, because I never said ALL Dev resources were diverted to WIS and WOD. I said EVE core gameplay was starved, and because of that we got half-baked unfinished expansions and unpatched bugs were left to languish. Also, WIS (incarna) and the underlying tech (Carbon) developed for WIS are very much tied to WOD, CCP built it as a foundation for WOD and we are its beta testers who pay for that privilege. It seems you being incredulous here, or maybe you just don't have a clue what you are talking about. I suspect both are true. It seems you're intentionally trying to derail this thread with off-topic subject matter and insults here, or maybe you're just venting some pent up anger and lashing out at everything. I suspect both are true.
I don't remember CCP ever saying we were Beta Testing WoD. That is a rumor which some players seem to think is factual truth. I'm fairly certain that the Carbon Tech wasn't developed mainly for WoD. Anyway, this is a whole different subject matter which also doesn't pertain to this thread.
As for Incarna, everyone agrees that it was a fail expansion. However, Incarna is the name of the expansion which introduced the NEX Store, MT and a poorly optimized unfinished Captains Quarters that CCP tried to pass off as WiS. The WiS that everyone expected was Ambulation which wasn't delivered.
Talk about reading comprehension, I think you should re-read your original statement - Doc Fury wrote:EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time. During the past +4 years, there has been a lot of different Eve core gameplay content added. Apocrypha, released 2009, is considered one of the better expansions with a lot of game content.
Doc Fury wrote:But hey, nice try at an ad hominem attack, I guess you have run out of real arguments why CCP should waste time responding to you again here after they already have. I think you need another layer of tinfoil for your hat. First of all, I never once posted that I want a response from CCP. However, it would be nice to see a CCP Dev post in this thread pertaining to the future of WiS.
As for the Ad hominem attack, seems you do that rather well along with insulting others.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:25:00 -
[2484] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
Was there a point in there someplace, because if so I am missing it. Are you now claiming my posting in this thread is a part of some big conspiracy? Yes, this is an alt, which happens to be 5 years old. I have others much older and younger. I dunno' about you, but I'm one of those players with multiple accounts and alts. I even have some of those dirty industrial alts, and have participated in *gasp* mining as well as PVP and nullsec political faggotry. I also am one of those Pro-FIS people that unsubbed last year when CCP tried to force a cash shop and more broken, unfinished content down our throats under the guise of :excellence:. I came back in December when CCP begged me to via free game time on the cusp of Hilmar's apology.
I'd suggest that you check out the old forums where I was very vocal about the direction of the game and CCP incompetence for most of this character's 5 year life.
I lolled.
1) CCP offers every unsubbed account a reactivation offer after x amount of months. I've received many in between taking breaks from Eve and never threatened to rage quit over an expansion.
2) CCP didn't force a MT cash shop or broken content down your throat. They gave you outfits via breaking down plex and the foundations for WiS (I saw plenty of blogs and posts on what they were and still are planning for WiS, but I never saw a single dev blog saying Incarna will be 100% finished in 1 expansion). But whatever helps keep your justification for extortion/blackmail afloat sugar.
3) The old forums are rife with Testies and Goons *cough* Mittens *cough* threatening to rage quit and demanded CCP focus on space boats and doing things their way... or else. Then again, as a CSM member with the odd 6k members and 4k pets supporting your policies or they risk facing das boot, it's not hard to see why the CSM advocated the changes they did. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:37:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:3) The old forums are rife with Testies and Goons *cough* Mittens *cough* threatening to rage quit and demanded CCP focus on space boats and doing things their way... or else. Then again, as a CSM member with the odd 6k members and 4k pets supporting your policies or they risk facing das boot, it's not hard to see why the CSM advocated the changes they did. The problem with your little conspiracy theory is that what made CCP finally come to their senses and start working on real Eve content again was the number of people canceling their accounts. Mittens could have posted until he was blue in the face but it wouldn't have mattered if there weren't people actually following through with their threats and canceling.
But apart from all of that the CSM "advocated the changes they did" because it was the right thing for the game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
390
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:45:00 -
[2486] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
But apart from all of that the CSM "advocated the changes they did" because it was the right thing for the game.
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If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:45:00 -
[2487] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
But apart from all of that the CSM "advocated the changes they did" because it was the right thing for the game.
I absolutely agree.
It was the right thing for the game.... the Goonswarm game. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:59:00 -
[2488] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
Was there a point in there someplace, because if so I am missing it. Are you now claiming my posting in this thread is a part of some big conspiracy? Yes, this is an alt, which happens to be 5 years old. I have others much older and younger. I dunno' about you, but I'm one of those players with multiple accounts and alts. I even have some of those dirty industrial alts, and have participated in *gasp* mining as well as PVP and nullsec political faggotry. I also am one of those Pro-FIS people that unsubbed last year when CCP tried to force a cash shop and more broken, unfinished content down our throats under the guise of :excellence:. I came back in December when CCP begged me to via free game time on the cusp of Hilmar's apology.
I'd suggest that you check out the old forums where I was very vocal about the direction of the game and CCP incompetence for most of this character's 5 year life.
I lolled. 1) CCP offers every unsubbed account a reactivation offer after x amount of months. I've received many in between taking breaks from Eve and never threatened to rage quit over an expansion. 2) CCP didn't force a MT cash shop or broken content down your throat. They gave you outfits via breaking down plex and the foundations for WiS (I saw plenty of blogs and posts on what they were and still are planning for WiS, but I never saw a single dev blog saying Incarna will be 100% finished in 1 expansion). But whatever helps keep your justification for extortion/blackmail afloat sugar. 3) The old forums are rife with Testies and Goons *cough* Mittens *cough* threatening to rage quit and demanded CCP focus on space boats and doing things their way... or else. Then again, as a CSM member with the odd 6k members and 4k pets supporting your policies or they risk facing das boot, it's not hard to see why the CSM advocated the changes they did.
Glad I could amuse you, miss 2008 player.
1) Of course, I was not saying they were just begging me to return. I have received many "please come back" offers in the past as well, the timing was pretty hilarious because I got my latest round almost immediately after Hilmar's "apology" letter. I also did not rage quit, I voted with my wallet when my sub(s) expired because CCP no longer provided me with a level of service I found to be worth what I was spending after 4 years of waiting for an improvement to their haphazard half-finished releases because they were not allocating sufficient Dev resources to EVE's core gameplay. I recommend that anyone who is similarly dissatisfied consider unsubbing as an option other than crying, foot-stamping and making demands in the forums. Sometimes this is the only way to drive a point home to an organization that is not providing goods or services of acceptable or advertised quality.
2) We were always told WIS would be optional, and yet we were forced into an :awesome: unpolished/unfinished CQ. Only after numerous players complaining about overheating and overtaxed computers did they make good on making it optional, but in my case I was already gone.
In RE: to the cash shop, no, we were not "forced" into that as implied by my post, but it was definitely an unwanted and unnecessary waste of dev resources and a thinly veiled cash-grab by a desperate company that had overextended its resources. The NeX failed miserably and is still (IMHO) a tremendous waste of Dev resources unless they start listening to what the players want vs. what some beancounters and marketing people want.. As far as your blackmail/extortion bit, you must have me confused with someone else, or you feel superior in some way and need to stroke your own ego.
3) I am not a goon or a "testie", never have been, nor do I associate with basement dwelling neckbeards as you are implying. Nice try at that ad hominem though, it seems to be all that's left in the pro-WIS arsenal these days.
+1 for not crying about not getting an answer in your post or bitching that CCP is ignoring you. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
621
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:01:00 -
[2489] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
But apart from all of that the CSM "advocated the changes they did" because it was the right thing for the game.
I absolutely agree. It was the right thing for the game.... the Goonswarm game.
Let's be totally honest, here -- Goonswarm is only objecting because with full station environments, people won't have any reason to decide they're bored and undock into their pewpew layzer blobz. Monoclegate: because calling it 'Doorgate' would just be silly. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:17:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
But apart from all of that the CSM "advocated the changes they did" because it was the right thing for the game.
I absolutely agree. It was the right thing for the game.... the Goonswarm game. Let's be totally honest, here -- Goonswarm is only objecting because with full station environments, people won't have any reason to decide they're bored and undock into their pewpew layzer blobz.
There may be some (justifiable) truth in this.
One of the main things that leads some people to completely be turned off by WIS content is that so far it seems to be geared to totally safe area's of game play. No combat, little chance for competitive game play options of any type... somewhat atypical for the EVE universe.
This would need to be addressed to have a reasonable chance of getting support from a wide cross section of the community again.
Perhaps in station environments should be broken up like the area's of space in EVE are, with high and low area's of security (and game play options available), with those area's varying somewhat depending on what area of space they happen to be in.
This would have to be handled with a delicate hand, as being docked has always denoted nearly complete safety in the past... but for WIS to gain the wide spread appeal that it needs this concept needs to evolve in a way that provides content to those that want to keep that safety and also to those that crave conflict.
And please, lets keep the trolling on both sides to a minimum if possible. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Elginn Sinak
Zurillian Research and Development Corp Enlightened Violence
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:22:00 -
[2491] - Quote
To me , yes, Eve is about spaceships and explosions, but for a truly comprehensive game experience Eve is setup to expand into a fully comprehensive universe. A place where players can open retail shops, design custom clothes, hair, etc for other players and all the extrapolation you want from this idea. Bars with games are a bit boring by themselves, but how about if there were different prizes and gambling on those games, yet you would need to travel to certain systems for certain types of games/prizes.
I completely agree that this part of the game should be optional and that those players that want nothing more than to fly better and better ships and engage in bigger and bigger battles should have exactly what they want as well.
I am VERY excited about the DUST integration (although it's unclear if it will be available for the PC versions of EVE. And again this sort of expanding the perimeters of your potential game-play is what CCP started EVE with the vision of, it's only natural that these extensions and options be added over time.
I predict that given a broad enough spectrum of options for game-play, EVE could develop into a lot more than just a shooter/trader game.
Great work so far CCP :-) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:34:00 -
[2492] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
But apart from all of that the CSM "advocated the changes they did" because it was the right thing for the game.
I absolutely agree. It was the right thing for the game.... the Goonswarm game. Let's be totally honest, here -- Goonswarm is only objecting because with full station environments, people won't have any reason to decide they're bored and undock into their pewpew layzer blobz. Right because we certainly wouldn't be able to find a way to mess with people in an avatar based game... :cripes: You guys are looking way too hard for reasons why we are against WiS. It's really as simple as we don't want to see the internet spaceship game we enjoy playing fail. Luckily the majority of Eve players agree with us.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:53:00 -
[2493] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
But apart from all of that the CSM "advocated the changes they did" because it was the right thing for the game.
I absolutely agree. It was the right thing for the game.... the Goonswarm game. Let's be totally honest, here -- Goonswarm is only objecting because with full station environments, people won't have any reason to decide they're bored and undock into their pewpew layzer blobz. Right because we certainly wouldn't be able to find a way to mess with people in an avatar based game... :cripes: You guys are looking way too hard for reasons why we are against WiS. It's really as simple as we don't want to see the internet spaceship game we enjoy playing fail. Luckily the majority of Eve players agree with us.
I think in that most of us are in complete agreement.
While many of us would like to see this new area of game play expanded into something worthwhile, none of us want to see that happen at the expense of the rest of the game. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:03:00 -
[2494] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:While many of us would like to see this new area of game play expanded into something worthwhile, none of us want to see that happen at the expense of the rest of the game. You're wrong about some of the more...enthusiastic WiS proponents. They do want more WiS nonsense instead of more Eve content. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Gummy Plaude
University of Caille Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:09:00 -
[2495] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:While many of us would like to see this new area of game play expanded into something worthwhile, none of us want to see that happen at the expense of the rest of the game. You're wrong about some of the more...enthusiastic WiS proponents. They do want more WiS nonsense instead of more Eve content.
Asking for "EVE content" is just as shadowy as asking for WiS. The great thing about EVE is the variety of activities it has to offer which includes but are not limited to the spaceships. You need to realize that there are peaceful peeps out there chilling with asteroids or docked during months playing the market. Or the politics. Even within the safety of highsec, there are corps been wardecced by higher military forces everyday preventing them from undocking or even tearing apart their projects. For all of them, WiS is just the EVE content they miss. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:49:00 -
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Gummy Plaude wrote:Asking for "EVE content" is just as shadowy as asking for WiS. No it's not. The reason I use the term "real Eve content" is because back when CCP was still in crazy mode they kept insisting that there was WiS (walking in stations) content and FiS (flying in space) content. After wasting two years ignoring FiS and thousands of people canceling their accounts they woke up to the fact that FiS is what the players want. The success of the crucible expansion and the fact that people aren't leaving the game in droves any longer backs that up.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:55:00 -
[2497] - Quote
Gummy Plaude wrote: Asking for "EVE content" is just as shadowy as asking for WiS. The great thing about EVE is the variety of activities it has to offer which includes but are not limited to the spaceships. You need to realize that there are peaceful peeps out there chilling with asteroids or docked during months playing the market. Or the politics. Even within the safety of highsec, there are corps been wardecced by higher military forces everyday preventing them from undocking or even tearing apart their projects. For all of them, WiS is just the EVE content they miss.
I agree. The main point, that has been made again and again, is that WiS is another way of experiencing EVE. No-one is asking that CCP focus all their resouces on WiS instead of FiS. Just that it get some Developer time, and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are.
The WiS haters can't fathom this simple fact. Instead they have to resort to endless 'Space Barbie' rhetoric, and claim that Incarna will doom us all. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:37:00 -
[2498] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are. Why does CCP owe you this information? They have stated in multiple places that WiS isn't dead...just on the backburner while they get things straightened out. You guys aren't able to accept this information and be reasonable about so why do you think CCP is going to come here and take the inevitable abuse?
I'm surprised they haven't locked the thread since the OP's initial question has been answered but they are probably afraid doing so would send some of the more fragile members of the community over the edge.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:16:00 -
[2499] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are. Why does CCP owe you this information?
Because we invested money into the companies promises for several years and were let down immensely.
If it was the same situation with FiS you'd be singing a different tune.
In fact, you were. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
|
Posted - 2012.01.09 04:39:00 -
[2500] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are. Why does CCP owe you this information? Because we invested money into the companies promises for several years and were let down immensely. If it was the same situation with FiS you'd be singing a different tune. In fact, you were. You are 100% wrong.
We pay a monthly fee and the only thing CCP owes us is access to the game for the amount of time we pay for. For our subscription fee we aren't owed any future development and anybody who expects it is dumb.
The people who rioted and canceled their accounts were sending a message that if CCP continued to waste time on WiS nonsense that they weren't going to continue to pay every month for access to the game. Fortunately there were enough people that did this that it finally made CCP wake up and change direction. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:48:00 -
[2501] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:You are 100% wrong.
We pay a monthly fee and the only thing CCP owes us is access to the game for the amount of time we pay for. For our subscription fee we aren't owed any future development and anybody who expects it is dumb.
The people who rioted and canceled their accounts were sending a message that if CCP continued to waste time on WiS nonsense that they weren't going to continue to pay every month for access to the game. Fortunately there were enough people that did this that it finally made CCP wake up and change direction.
So first you say that we are not to expect any future development at all.
Then you say the riots were about CCP developing WiS.
And here you are complaining about development allocation.
Precious.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:51:00 -
[2502] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:You are 100% wrong.
We pay a monthly fee and the only thing CCP owes us is access to the game for the amount of time we pay for. For our subscription fee we aren't owed any future development and anybody who expects it is dumb.
The people who rioted and canceled their accounts were sending a message that if CCP continued to waste time on WiS nonsense that they weren't going to continue to pay every month for access to the game. Fortunately there were enough people that did this that it finally made CCP wake up and change direction. So first you say that we are not to expect any future development at all. Then you say the riots were about CCP developing WiS. And here you are complaining about development allocation. Precious.
Lol. Good call.
Though I should point out that finding the holes in Ladies rhetoric is pretty easy. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:55:00 -
[2503] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:You are 100% wrong.
We pay a monthly fee and the only thing CCP owes us is access to the game for the amount of time we pay for. For our subscription fee we aren't owed any future development and anybody who expects it is dumb.
The people who rioted and canceled their accounts were sending a message that if CCP continued to waste time on WiS nonsense that they weren't going to continue to pay every month for access to the game. Fortunately there were enough people that did this that it finally made CCP wake up and change direction. So first you say that we are not to expect any future development at all. Then you say the riots were about CCP developing WiS. And here you are complaining about development allocation. Precious. No. As usual you didn't actually read what I wrote.
I said that the riots and people canceling their accounts were doing so because the game had been neglected for two years and we were tired of paying for a broken game that was being neglected while CCP worked on space pants. CCP woke up, started making real Eve content again and then the game was worth paying for again.
I used to say that if Eve, with its new focus on space content, was no longer worth the subscription price for people who can't live without space pants then they should stop paying for it. Why pay for a game you aren't enjoying? But then CCP made up some rule about not advocating for people canceling their accounts so I stopped doing it.
You guys are trying to make this way more complicated than it needs to be. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:22:00 -
[2504] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are. Why does CCP owe you this information? Because we invested money into the companies promises for several years and were let down immensely. If it was the same situation with FiS you'd be singing a different tune.
How is that any different then the letdown to FIS players who have been paying CCP a sub for several years to build EVE the serious internet spaceship game and complete the features they only half-finished while most of the company's resources were diverted during that time to fund WIS/WOD and DUST? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:24:00 -
[2505] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are. Why does CCP owe you this information? Because we invested money into the companies promises for several years and were let down immensely. If it was the same situation with FiS you'd be singing a different tune. How is that any different then the letdown to FIS players who have been paying CCP a sub for several years to build EVE the serious internet spaceship game and finish the features thay only half-finished while most of the company's resources were diverted during that time to fund Incarna/WOD and DUST?
It isn't. Our request for answers is just as valid as those asking what is going on with FiS. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:29:00 -
[2506] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are. Why does CCP owe you this information? Because we invested money into the companies promises for several years and were let down immensely. If it was the same situation with FiS you'd be singing a different tune. How is that any different then the letdown to FIS players who have been paying CCP a sub for several years to build EVE the serious internet spaceship game and finish the features thay only half-finished while most of the company's resources were diverted during that time to fund Incarna/WOD and DUST? It isn't. Our request for answers is just as valid as those asking what is going on with FiS.
They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:30:00 -
[2507] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:It isn't. Our request for answers is just as valid as those asking what is going on with FiS. WiS isn't canceled and it is on the backburner. Happy now?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:36:00 -
[2508] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote: They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations.
What we got was Hilmar saying that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then he said that it was something that they 'may' get back to. We are asking CCP to clarify his remarks.
I enjoy the fact that people like you are so threatened by a simple request for clarification. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:38:00 -
[2509] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Doc Fury wrote: They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations.
What we got was Hilmar saying that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then he said that it was something that they 'may' get back to. We are asking CCP to clarify his remarks. I enjoy the fact that people like you are so threatened by a simple request for clarification. not threatened, but entertained One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
121
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:39:00 -
[2510] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Doc Fury wrote: They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations.
What we got was Hilmar saying that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then he said that it was something that they 'may' get back to. We are asking CCP to clarify his remarks. I enjoy the fact that people like you are so threatened by a simple request for clarification.
I don't think Ladie Harlot is threatened. Quite the opposite really. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:41:00 -
[2511] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
They answered you..
And we've answered you. You're taking the argument in triangles for lack of anything better to contribute.
The answer CCP provided held insufficient information for us. For you maybe, for us not.
Now are we going to keep arguing in triangles, or can you just accept that we aren't going to be satisfied with that amount of information? I'm not going to stamp my foot and demand anything, but I'm not going to pretend i'm satisfied with a vague vision of whats to come on a feature I've been waiting on for years.
If you guys don't like where we stand and you don't support what we're doing, maybe you should quit bumping the thread. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:42:00 -
[2512] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Doc Fury wrote: They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations.
What we got was Hilmar saying that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then he said that it was something that they 'may' get back to. We are asking CCP to clarify his remarks. I enjoy the fact that people like you are so threatened by a simple request for clarification.
I'm not threatened at all, but you are demanding answers on a timeline that CCP cannot support. FIS people demanded answers for years, and all we ever we got was "hey we are :awesome:" and :excellence:. You are pissed because they haven't said anything you want to hear for 2 months.
If you want answers buy a ticket to fanfest and you can literally get in CCP's face and demand them. Have no doubt that they are preparing for that and will be saying something at that time. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:45:00 -
[2513] - Quote
You've had half-finished and sometimes broken features for years.
We've had no features for years.
I am failing to see how you guys got the short end of the stick. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:49:00 -
[2514] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:You've had half-finished and sometimes broken features for years.
We've had no features for years.
I am failing to see how you guys got the raw end of the stick.
If you signed-on to play EVE specifically for WIS before it was done and working, all I can say is caveat emptor. You shafted yourself.
WIS still isn't a feature, so your "we had no features for years" argument is non-sequitur.
/ I got to use latin in context twice!
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:53:00 -
[2515] - Quote
What he probably should have said, is that WiS has been a 'promised' feature for years (and years).
Also, I shall name my next ship the non-sequitur in your honour good sir. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:53:00 -
[2516] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote: We've had no features for years.
You are playing the wrong game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:04:00 -
[2517] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: No. As usual you didn't actually read what I wrote.
No. I read what you wrote.
Quote:We pay a monthly fee and the only thing CCP owes us is access to the game for the amount of time we pay for. For our subscription fee we aren't owed any future development and anybody who expects it is dumb.
Quote: I said that the riots and people canceling their accounts were doing so because the game had been neglected for two years and we were tired of paying for a broken game that was being neglected while CCP worked on space pants.
How can they neglect something that is provided as is. You had no reason to riot as CCP owes you nothing except access to the game as is. By expecting them to fix their "broken" game which you signed up to play you then proceed to call yourself dumb.
Quote:You guys are trying to make this way more complicated than it needs to be. Pretty simple really. You've just said that we have no reason to expect WiS development, and you have no reason to argue against WiS development. They owe us nothing. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:13:00 -
[2518] - Quote
I honestly don't think I can simplify it for you any further but I'll give it another shot because never stop posting...
I asked some angry guy why he felt CCP owed him an answer about when CCP was going to make more space barbie clothes.
He answered with something like because he considered his monthly subscription an investment in future content.
I said the monthly subscription allows you access to the game for the month you paid for. It doesn't guarantee future content.
During the summer of rage a lot of Eve subscribers looked at the state of the game and decided it wasn't worth the cost of a monthly subscription.
Apparently enough people came to that conclusion that it made CCP snap out of their bad decision-making and refocus on Eve.
They produced Crucible and a lot of the people who canceled were happy with what they saw and resubbed.
The bottom line is that CCP has more (and happier) subscribers when they are working on real Eve content than they did when they were working on crappy roleplaying content.
I put a line break in between each section to hopefully make it easier for you to read. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:15:00 -
[2519] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Gilbaron wrote:just give a clear statement about the future of WiS We can't really give a clear statement on the future of WiS because at this time because we have no updated plan, and only have some ideas rolling around. WiS is not our top priority for us at the moment at least, while we re-organize everything and sort out some other things, but as soon as we know more, you'll know more (or you know...really soon after as it always takes a little bit of time to write dev blogs and stuff).
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=604426#post604426
jesus christ if you understand english it means, we don't know yet, we will tell you when we do, One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:51:00 -
[2520] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote: We've had no features for years.
You are playing the wrong game.
no u |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:55:00 -
[2521] - Quote
Well, when the time does come for those "idea's" to be discussed in earnest, lets hope they get considerable feedback from both sides before they get too carried away.
One disconnect that is going to have to be dealt with is the desire to make it optional, and yet deal with the opinion that if it's optional means it can also be done without leaving your ship... thus removing the "need" for Incarna.
I think the answer will ultimately be that many things will end up with only Incarna based interaction possible (hopefully things that make sense ) but that are considered "optional" in the same way that all of the many ways to make ISK in game are currently considered optional.
Some professions will be strictly WIS based, others can be done either way, and some (obviously) can only be done FIS. All of them need to inter relate in a sensible manner though. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.09 09:00:00 -
[2522] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:The answer CCP provided held insufficient information for us. For you maybe, for us not.
So CCP Guard provided an answer of - "We don't know yet, we'll tell you when we know."
What more do you want? Or, what type of answer would satisfy you?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.01.09 09:50:00 -
[2523] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote: We've had no features for years.
You are playing the wrong game. no u Thanks. I usually don't get such immediate feedback when I've won an argument...most of the people who fall before my superior logic and posting just disappear.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:16:00 -
[2524] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: Thanks. I usually don't get such immediate feedback when I've won an argument...most of the people who fall before my superior logic and posting just disappear.
Quote:The people who rioted and canceled their accounts were sending a message that if CCP continued to waste time on WiS nonsense that they weren't going to continue to pay every month for access to the game.
So it was WiS that caused the riots and not WoD , Dust, Ishukone scorpion, Aurum, golden ammo or the fearless newsletter.
Never stop posting. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:26:00 -
[2525] - Quote
if CCP really wanted a feature like walking on stations, walking on planets,, walking on whatever lol, they'd do it.
lease the Creation Engine, lease Havok Physics, hell maybe even just lease skyrim and mod it to fit the eve storyline.
there ya go, a single player game connected to the eve unniverse.
could it be made multi player,,, hmmm i'd say so,,, would you want it to be multi player ?
maybe sinlge player would be enough. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:15:00 -
[2526] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Kuronaga wrote: We've had no features for years.
You are playing the wrong game. no u Thanks. I usually don't get such immediate feedback when I've won an argument...most of the people who fall before my superior logic and posting just disappear.
no u |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:45:00 -
[2527] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: The people who rioted and canceled their accounts were sending a message that if CCP continued to waste time on WiS nonsense that they weren't going to continue to pay every month for access to the game.
So it was WiS that caused the riots and not WoD , Dust, Ishukone scorpion, Aurum, golden ammo or the fearless newsletter. Never stop posting.
It was WiS since it was their intended platform for everything in the fearless newsletter. From CCPs point of view, WiS was there to market NEX - that should have been obvious for everyone by now. They don't have any gameplay developed. All they have is NEX, AUR and barbies.
Now they have come to their senses and realized that their core business is internet spaceships (duh!). Don't expect them to 1) develop a completely new concept of WIS and 2) solve all technical limitations of their current avatar engine, anytime soon.
Expect them to continue work on internet space ships, most of their customers do.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:47:00 -
[2528] - Quote
Ok .. so WiS is the devil in closet.. fine
What about some information about Ambulation release ? |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.09 12:54:00 -
[2529] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Kuronaga wrote:The answer CCP provided held insufficient information for us. For you maybe, for us not. So CCP Guard provided an answer of - " We don't know yet, we'll tell you when we know." What more do you want? Or, what type of answer would satisfy you?
Anything with a time frame.
Perhaps there is currently no working concept.
Perhaps there are currently no developers working ON a concept.
Perhaps there is currently nobody on staff with the capacity to explain when someone is going to start working on a new concept.
What I would personally like to know is where are we on this timeline, and how much time is going to be between each of these parts.
Saying something like, "Hey, we're working on space stuff now, but we'll start working on a new concept around summer and will probably start devoting resources to it by winter" would be acceptable. That would at least give a better idea of when to expect things to start rolling. Currently all we have is an ambiguous "we'll let you know, bro. don't worry bout it."
I think I've watched those faction warfare guys get beaten with that ugly stick enough to know it doesn't lead anywhere good. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:36:00 -
[2530] - Quote
^^ Agreed. CCP could create a new generation of bitter players with this if they are not careful. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:24:00 -
[2531] - Quote
You guys really need to learn how to use the ignore feature and just ignore Harlots posts like I did. Nothing she says is of any value whatsoever. She is ignorant, dense and a sheep follower of Mittani.
Now...to the subject at hand. I think it is fair to say that there is interest in WiS. CCP has stated that they don't know what the future plans are at this point because they haven't thought about it. This due to the rage and hatred from Incarna or whatever illogical crap spawned that completely off the wall response that a bunch if baby players gave to it. Either way it is only a matter of time. CCP will revisit WiS.
I agree with the current direction of EvE. Get the stuff already implemented balanced and fixed before introducing any more new stuff. That also means no new FiS until the current FiS stuff is fixed and balanced and after that WiS should be finished before doing more new FiS stuff. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Misina Arlath
Sinister Elite
3
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:07:00 -
[2532] - Quote
I would rather have Walk on Bridge of your spaceship than Walk in Stations.
I love poking around on my spaceship in SWTOR. Hate that I can't fly it though (and no, the SWTOR space combat thing does not equal flying).
Would love to see different flight decks on the different types of ships. Sure, it would only be a novelty factor as actually doing combat would be pretty messy from inside the ship through some clickable screen on the control panels.
Then again, isn't Walk in Stations also a novelty factor at the end of the day?
Either way, Walk in this or Walk in that. More depth and variety to the game can never hurt.
I do know alot of people who dislike EVE simply because their "character" is basically a pixel on the screen surrounded by square boxes and red plus signs, or the ass-end of a non-symmetrical ship at best.
Though they might not add much towards nullsec and the more dedicated playstyles of the game they will still add to the game in other ways. Afterall, without miners there is no ore. Without ore there are no minerals. With no minerals there are no ships, modules, ammo, weapons and so forth.. without ships and guns there is no PvP. With no PvP no ammo is used or ships are being destroyed. No ships being destroyed means no market for the miners.
It's all a big, happy, symbiotic relationship from bot, to carebear to PvP'er. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.09 17:31:00 -
[2533] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Gummy Plaude wrote:Asking for "EVE content" is just as shadowy as asking for WiS. No it's not. The reason I use the term "real Eve content" is because back when CCP was still in crazy mode they kept insisting that there was WiS (walking in stations) content and FiS (flying in space) content. After wasting two years ignoring FiS and thousands of people canceling their accounts they woke up to the fact that FiS is what the players want. The success of the crucible expansion and the fact that people aren't leaving the game in droves any longer backs that up.
expansion? lol 4 new ships and a new background is a new expansion?
And the next expansion? automatic shipspinning and DUST? I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:59:00 -
[2534] - Quote
Cool story bro.
Honesty like that between strangers makes me grow a long rubbery one.
And that's Mr 2006 player with a Miss 2008 forum alt to you, Mr 2007 forum warrior with a smug complex.
While we are being honest.....
If players could opt not to feed pvp maniacs with spaceboat kms by sticking on stations and carebearing their lives away, you'd all rage quit citing a complete lack of people to blow up, blame space barbie optional game play for breaking your game and vote with your wallets. Good on you. God bless capitalism and all that. Personally, I'd like to think the resulting flood of 12 year old teen girls in Eve to replace the angry virgin 20 somethings that would bail in such an event, would be a welcome change. Then again, if we all lived together without this drama, CCP would have more profits and development would go allot faster than it has up until now. Alas.
Do I want 100% safe zones in WiS? Of course not. Give me my small arms so I can finally kill Mittens over and over again out of spite, when he makes a speech on some outpost while campaigning for a spot on the next CSM.
Was I looking forward to WiS? Damn straight.
Was I looking forward to the CQ? You betcha.
Yes, the way the CQ was implemented initially (I.E, forced unto the world with no option button) did not sit well with me either. But my god did I enjoy it more than the ship spinning screen I've seen for 6 years, ever since the old classic software driven client with 56k dial-up bandwidth requirements.
Did I want the transfer button setup we have now on the first release? Yes.
Did I get it? No.
Was I angry and mobbed statues in Jita or rage quit to drive home the impact on the bottom line? Hell no.
Was there a need for it? You'd all like to think so, but CCP is smarter than that and would have realized the mistake via forum feedback without financial threats and mass planned insurrectionist sub cancellations at the expense of realizing the Future vision for Eve just to satisfy the same old nerds they've been feeding for the past decade. Did those nerds support Eve up until now? Yup. But you wont be the last. WoW is that way if you feel like voting with your wallet ->. Enjoy it.
Do you see me making angry posts about how much Incarna sucked? No. In fact, I hold the best expansions Eve ever saw was:
Trinity Tyrannis Incarna
Preferably in that order.
The worst one ever was Dominion.
Could Incarna have been implemented better? Absolutely.
Did I look forward to the Nex store? Yes.
Do I look forward to Harlot's garbage posts? He'd like to think so.
There is common ground in this WiS/FiS/W-0P (which will make WiS look like a picnic when we eventually get to it) face off. But sadly, every FiS monkey, you included, failed to state the obvious:
And that is that CCP has been feeding you FiS expansions for Eve's ENTIRE existence. They deviated from FiS for 1-2 expansions and you people lost it in the most visually, emotionally driven tantrum mankind has ever seen in the MMO world. Your like a 3 year old that suddenly gets a baby sibling and isn't the center of attention anymore, then proceeds to burn down the house while mommy and daddy are sleeping because it makes you feel better. How dare they have other children and not ask my permission first. You'll sure show them.
Puberty must be so hard.
I find it highly amusing that FiS people demand dev blogs that number multiple pages regarding small things like the low hanging fruit Crucible gave us and this precious CSM demanded at gun point. Everything from the color of the underwear that the dev responsible for the code is wearing, right down to his great grandmother's wet dreams.
But when people want the same level of detail regarding the future of WiS beyond "its on ice for now and you'll maybe get it later", then the FiS crowd get all hawt under the collar. Yes Harlot, that was for you. How dare we care.
And please, you need some new excuses beyond "it'l break eve you noob". That one is as old as mummified pharaohs and just as sexy as Gadaffi is now. |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:12:00 -
[2535] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Gummy Plaude wrote:Asking for "EVE content" is just as shadowy as asking for WiS. No it's not. The reason I use the term "real Eve content" is because back when CCP was still in crazy mode they kept insisting that there was WiS (walking in stations) content and FiS (flying in space) content. After wasting two years ignoring FiS and thousands of people canceling their accounts they woke up to the fact that FiS is what the players want. The success of the crucible expansion and the fact that people aren't leaving the game in droves any longer backs that up. expansion? lol 4 new ships and a new background is a new expansion? And the next expansion? automatic shipspinning and DUST?
Don't forget adding some bonuses to a ship class. I'm sure they're pretty exhausted after that. I'd be surprised if they get shipspinning bots into the initial release. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:14:00 -
[2536] - Quote
Issler Dainze, is that you? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
121
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:16:00 -
[2537] - Quote
Misina Arlath wrote:I would rather have Walk on Bridge of your spaceship than Walk in Stations.
I love poking around on my spaceship in SWTOR. Hate that I can't fly it though (and no, the SWTOR space combat thing does not equal flying).
Would love to see different flight decks on the different types of ships. Sure, it would only be a novelty factor as actually doing combat would be pretty messy from inside the ship through some clickable screen on the control panels.
Then again, isn't Walk in Stations also a novelty factor at the end of the day?
Either way, Walk in this or Walk in that. More depth and variety to the game can never hurt.
I do know alot of people who dislike EVE simply because their "character" is basically a pixel on the screen surrounded by square boxes and red plus signs, or the ass-end of a non-symmetrical ship at best.
Though they might not add much towards nullsec and the more dedicated playstyles of the game they will still add to the game in other ways. Afterall, without miners there is no ore. Without ore there are no minerals. With no minerals there are no ships, modules, ammo, weapons and so forth.. without ships and guns there is no PvP. With no PvP no ammo is used or ships are being destroyed. No ships being destroyed means no market for the miners.
It's all a big, happy, symbiotic relationship from bot, to carebear to PvP'er.
Actually, that means of controlling a ship is pretty sound; considering all EVE currently has is pretty much what you would find on a 3D Tactical display on a advanced starship.
With regard to your clone and pod, you could actually improve on the current WiS idea; by making your WiS clone a projection that you control from inside your pod. That way you can be in your pod, and walking around your station environment or ship at the same time.
That is actually more sensible than what we currently have.
Waking up after getting podded would serve to refresh your active Pod clone, and a simple medical duplicate could replace the clone you lost with your ship.
In essence, when you want to stop walking around your ship while floating in space; you approach a interface that puts your clone into a rest state and brings up your standard tactical display. Your Pod clone is now doing all the work, and the WiS clone is in a state of suspended animation.
This could be expanded to allow on ship interfaces that you can use to mine, displays that show your position in space and on grid, as well as the signatures of other ships around you; as well as having various other features available.
The only issue is the obvious one: Lag and WiS to FiS transition in space. Having a 30s delay before you can effectively control your ship in space would be potentially game-breaking; and would more likely end up with you podded on more occaisions than not.
Obviously, if you are cloaked up in a safe spot; you might not have to worry about his as much.
Be nice to have your CQ on ship too, accompanied by a bridge, decks, cargo holds, and other features. That could prove to require a significant amount of development time though; given the number of different ship types and layouts for deck plans that would have to be worked out.
Technically speaking, something one or two talented people could do in the course of a year; provided they used existing assets for the most part, and didn't make the project any more complicated than it has to be.
Not something I'd expect to see for awhile though, if at all. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:32:00 -
[2538] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote: lots of rambling stuff
2006, I stand corrected, you too got to experience the awe that was RMR then.
You have me confused with someone else if the rest of your opus is directed at me. You are making a lot of assumptions about stuff I never said and don't believe. I think WIS could be beneficial if CCP could just figure out how to do it correctly and they learn how to manage expectations a LOT better. That is, as long as EVE core gameplay does not suffer as it has for several years. Crucible so far is demonstrating that CCP can fix the little things when they want to and they are allowed to focus on FIS as they should be doing. After all, it's their cash cow that lets them gamble on making other projects and jesus features intended to pull in chicks and kiddies.
If it was not directed at me, CSB, and don't trip over your long rubbery one. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:09:00 -
[2539] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Issler Dainze, is that you?
Nope, never post with alts. You'll know if its me.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:14:00 -
[2540] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Gilbaron wrote:just give a clear statement about the future of WiS We can't really give a clear statement on the future of WiS because at this time because we have no updated plan, and only have some ideas rolling around. WiS is not our top priority for us at the moment at least, while we re-organize everything and sort out some other things, but as soon as we know more, you'll know more (or you know...really soon after as it always takes a little bit of time to write dev blogs and stuff). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=604426#post604426jesus christ if you understand english it means, we don't know yet, we will tell you when we do,
Awesome, CCP answerd the WIS question, not here where it is asked but in a factional warfare thread. CCP, masters of communications for sure!
Issler |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:20:00 -
[2541] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Kuronaga wrote:The answer CCP provided held insufficient information for us. For you maybe, for us not. So CCP Guard provided an answer of - " We don't know yet, we'll tell you when we know." What more do you want? Or, what type of answer would satisfy you?
How would I have any idea he answered since his answer was in a thread about faction warfare, not here. Typical CCP poor communications.
Why wasn't that answer here?
But I agree, it is closer to an answer finally, even if you had to find it somewhere else.
Sad, sounds like WiS is dead.
Issler |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
319
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:37:00 -
[2542] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Kuronaga wrote:The answer CCP provided held insufficient information for us. For you maybe, for us not. So CCP Guard provided an answer of - " We don't know yet, we'll tell you when we know." What more do you want? Or, what type of answer would satisfy you? How would I have any idea he answered since his answer was in a thread about faction warfare, not here. Typical CCP poor communications. Why wasn't that answer here? But I agree, it is closer to an answer finally, even if you had to find it somewhere else. Sad, sounds like WiS is dead. Issler
No, it is not dead. It has become that half-assed broken feature nobody is gonna look at for years, a long-standing CCP tradition.
Of course, you, and me, and any sensible company, would inmediately divert some manpower to gather player feedback on WiS and lay the foundations of it until developer bandwith is available for non-FiS, thus giving the impression that you, and me, and any sensible company, do care of what was promised to customers, what they got, and what they do expect next.
But, alas!, it's CCP. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:40:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Saying something like, "Hey, we're working on space stuff now, but we'll start working on a new concept around summer and will probably start devoting resources to it by winter" would be acceptable. That would at least give a better idea of when to expect things to start rolling. Currently all we have is an ambiguous "we'll let you know, bro. don't worry bout it."
Understood. They've just said they don't know when and you're asking them to tell you when. I can see that ending well.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:27:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Cool story bro. Honesty like that between strangers makes me grow a long rubbery one. And that's Mr 2006 player with a Miss 2008 forum alt to you, Mr 2007 forum warrior with a smug complex. While we are being honest..... If players could opt not to feed pvp maniacs with spaceboat kms by sticking on stations and carebearing their lives away, you'd all rage quit citing a complete lack of people to blow up, blame space barbie optional game play for breaking your game and vote with your wallets. Good on you. God bless capitalism and all that. Personally, I'd like to think the resulting flood of 12 year old teen girls in Eve to replace the angry virgin 20 somethings that would bail in such an event, would be a welcome change. Then again, if we all lived together without this drama, CCP would have more profits and development would go allot faster than it has up until now. Alas. Do I want 100% safe zones in WiS? Of course not. Give me my small arms so I can finally kill Mittens over and over again out of spite, when he makes a speech on some outpost while campaigning for a spot on the next CSM. Was I looking forward to WiS? Damn straight. Was I looking forward to the CQ? You betcha. Yes, the way the CQ was implemented initially (I.E, forced unto the world with no option button) did not sit well with me either. But my god did I enjoy it more than the ship spinning screen I've seen for 6 years, ever since the old classic software driven client with 56k dial-up bandwidth requirements. Did I want the transfer button setup we have now on the first release? Yes. Did I get it? No. Was I angry and mobbed statues in Jita or rage quit to drive home the impact on the bottom line? Hell no. Was there a need for it? You'd all like to think so, but CCP is smarter than that and would have realized the mistake via forum feedback without financial threats and mass planned insurrectionist sub cancellations at the expense of realizing the Future vision for Eve just to satisfy the same old nerds they've been feeding for the past decade. Did those nerds support Eve up until now? Yup. But you wont be the last. WoW is that way if you feel like voting with your wallet ->. Enjoy it. Do you see me making angry posts about how much Incarna sucked? No. In fact, I hold the best expansions Eve ever saw was: Trinity Tyrannis Incarna Preferably in that order. The worst one ever was Dominion. Could Incarna have been implemented better? Absolutely. Did I look forward to the Nex store? Yes. Do I look forward to Harlot's garbage posts? He'd like to think so. There is common ground in this WiS/FiS/W-0P (which will make WiS look like a picnic when we eventually get to it) face off. But sadly, every FiS monkey, you included, failed to state the obvious: And that is that CCP has been feeding you FiS expansions for Eve's ENTIRE existence. They deviated from FiS for 1-2 expansions and you people lost it in the most visually, emotionally driven tantrum mankind has ever seen in the MMO world. Your like a 3 year old that suddenly gets a baby sibling and isn't the center of attention anymore, then proceeds to burn down the house while mommy and daddy are sleeping because it makes you feel better. How dare they have other children and not ask my permission first. You'll sure show them. Puberty must be so hard. I find it highly amusing that FiS people demand dev blogs that number multiple pages regarding small things like the low hanging fruit Crucible gave us and this precious CSM demanded at gun point. Everything from the color of the underwear that the dev responsible for the code is wearing, right down to his great grandmother's wet dreams. But when people want the same level of detail regarding the future of WiS beyond "its on ice for now and you'll maybe get it later", then the FiS crowd get all hawt under the collar. Yes Harlot, that was for you. How dare we care. And please, you need some new excuses beyond "it'l break eve you noob". That one is as old as mummified pharaohs and just as sexy as Gadaffi is now. what you want is a useless, frivolous novelty, and costly to make, the CSM i got my vote's worth, how about you? and wtf is that comment with the 12yr girls you sick pervo sack of CQ enjoying ****
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Aalam Naar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.10 03:29:00 -
[2545] - Quote
Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 03:43:00 -
[2546] - Quote
Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked. let be perfectly honest here mr. 5 day old forum alt, your post sounds like a third rate marketing copy written by some hipster exec. or a c+ paper you handed in for your online course for Master of Business Administration with a Concentration in Global Management read my sig there will be none of that in this game. period. simple, get over it. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.10 03:46:00 -
[2547] - Quote
Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked.
Whilst I don't think FiS will get stale, I agree that WiS will help EVE in the long run. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.10 03:48:00 -
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Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
What about creating:
- Richer smuggling options
- More in-depth faction warfare systems
- More options around exploration
- Storyline work following on Incursions
- Richer bounty hunting systems with consequences
- Reworking the mission system
- More interactive mining operations
- Player driven insurance and banking systems to support the existing financial aspects
There is a truck load they could do with FiS. That said, while not an overt supporter of WiS (Especially to the detriment of EVE Online) I am supportive of innovations like Dust and similar to help build a cross-game EVE Universe. Why can't WiS be a similar concept? |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 03:57:00 -
[2549] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time. What about creating:
- Richer smuggling options
- More in-depth faction warfare systems
- More options around exploration
- Storyline work following on Incursions
- Richer bounty hunting systems with consequences
- Reworking the mission system
- More interactive mining operations
- Player driven insurance and banking systems to support the existing financial aspects
There is a truck load they could do with FiS. That said, while not an overt supporter of WiS (Especially to the detriment of EVE Online) I am supportive of innovations like Dust and similar to help build a cross-game EVE Universe. Why can't WiS be a similar concept?
also, go read up on this guy Nova Fox, plenty of good ideas, whole new professions to try https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6625&find=unread
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Aalam Naar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.10 04:19:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:Stuff posted from someone in a Corp called Wildly Inappropriate
I never understood why anti-Wis posters such as yourself insist that WiS = Second Life.
Your sig is simply just a sig. Everyone has, or has had, one.
I'm over it.
Flamespar wrote:Whilst I don't think FiS will get stale.
Tbh I do not want this to be so. I just don't see the current state of FiS gameplay evolving much beyond what we have already. My apologies for being unclear.
Ai Shun wrote:What about.....
Many of your points I concede to as part of the polish I previously mentioned. I'm all for this. I agree some work still needs to be done with existing game elements. In particular, I believe improvements in smuggling, bounty hunting, mining, and FW are excellent ideas. But your mention of a 'player driven insurance and banking system' intrigues me. : )
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Aalam Naar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.10 04:23:00 -
[2551] - Quote
I shall give this a look over as it seems he's put much time and thought into it. Thank you for the link.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.10 04:48:00 -
[2552] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: read my sig there will be none of that in this game. period. simple, get over it.
All I see is a basement dweller with a sign on his head that reads:
fis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-shoot anti-social, pundi loving spaceship dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the gs glasshouse outpost, all the evolving new and exciting things you've always had and too stupid to realize that you keep on getting the same xmas presents year in and year out. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:03:00 -
[2553] - Quote
Inappropriate comment removed. Spitfire One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:25:00 -
[2554] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: read my sig there will be none of that in this game. period. simple, get over it.
All I see is a basement dweller with a sign on his head that reads: fis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-shoot anti-social, pundi loving spaceship dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the gs glasshouse outpost, all the evolving new and exciting things you've always had and too stupid to realize that you keep on getting the same xmas presents year in and year out. says the pedo scum who so desperately wants to /emote with dudes and 12 yr old girls wearing new pixle pants jesus somebody call the cops irl sound the amber alert!
0/10
never stop posting
Maybe someday you'll find people dumb enough to like your posts.... |
Eta Carinai
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:34:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:The vast majority of the player base does still want WIS, there has been increasing demand for some years now.
However:
They want it implemented in the way that was outlined in the beginning, with engaging game play that made sense to take place in that environment.
They want it developed to the point that it is worthwhile before it is released.
They want it developed with a REASONABLE percentage of Dev resources devoted to it, not most of them.
They want it to be tech stable before it is released, and running smoothly.
They want it to be optional.
They want it to compliment and enhance FIS content.
They want any items produced by/for Incarna to be produced by the community and tie directly into the existing industry infra structure.
Simply put, they want it to be worth while, fun, and have a point.
Until they get a handle on how to do this, further development is pointless.
Work on the plan, not the product at this point.
One way to make in station interaction between players is to take contracts and setting contracts only avalible in station. it has to be done like we would do in real life. People go to auctions to get what they are looking for.
Same way with eve. Things we would normally do remotely or in space can be done at an auction room in a station. Where we go to meet up and places like basic recreation. Instead of meeting up at a sertain place like the eve alliance evemails. We meet up at station like lets say in a war room where we can plan out on a screen where we need to mobaliz and when.
All countries in the world have a place where they meet up like a war room where leaders congragate and delegate what will happen for them in a war.
CCP can set it up so that the war room is used where each player participating unless that charecter is inactoive or not logged in. has to put time intoa perticular room for what ever it might be. or when you go to do agent missions. Instead of a dialog box, you meet the agent in digital person. And if you want you can remotely confirm the job was done or unless determined otherwise by game programmers of where the agent wants you to meet him or her.
Then there is where you can for arguements sake go to dance, all characters can be given a choice of what dance styles they want to dance with as long as the programmers at ccp program a variety of dances seen on lets say profetionals do like the cha cha cha or street dances, you cna even have 2 charecters dance together. You can have charecters crying for no reason at all just because they want to hear themselves cry lol. You can give charecters a voice to saw perticular things. charecters can point and laugh at other players. Charecters can hug or as you have seen already charecters can sit and watch the news. Only if CCP should allow what is going on and in space besides pre recorded video feeds. You can have in game and watch other players in action as long as other players allow themselves to be viewed in space. Or you can salute your commander roman style or your typical had over your brow style. There are different ways to salute a commander.
There is a game called rift online. Players are constantly interacting with each other in the main towns or villages there.
There area lot of things we can do in station. |
Eta Carinai
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:42:00 -
[2556] - Quote
Actually i think this was supposto quote a nouther players post. Cant find the other players post but i guess it will have to stay here for now. My bad. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:48:00 -
[2557] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: read my sig there will be none of that in this game. period. simple, get over it.
All I see is a basement dweller with a sign on his head that reads: fis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-shoot anti-social, pundi loving spaceship dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the gs glasshouse outpost, all the evolving new and exciting things you've always had and too stupid to realize that you keep on getting the same xmas presents year in and year out. says the pedo scum who so desperately wants to /emote with dudes and 12 yr old girls wearing new pixle pants jesus somebody call the cops irl sound the amber alert! 0/10 never stop posting Maybe someday you'll find people dumb enough to like your posts.... look at you editin and makin it worse, you blew it stick to the tried and true 0/10 and never stop posting One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:52:00 -
[2558] - Quote
Eta Carinai wrote: One way to make in station interaction between players is to take contracts and setting contracts only avalible in station. it has to be done like we would do in real life. People go to auctions to get what they are looking for.
Same way with eve. Things we would normally do remotely or in space can be done at an auction room in a station. Where we go to meet up and places like basic recreation. Instead of meeting up at a sertain place like the eve alliance evemails. We meet up at station like lets say in a war room where we can plan out on a screen where we need to mobaliz and when.
All countries in the world have a place where they meet up like a war room where leaders congragate and delegate what will happen for them in a war.
CCP can set it up so that the war room is used where each player participating unless that charecter is inactoive or not logged in. has to put time intoa perticular room for what ever it might be. or when you go to do agent missions. Instead of a dialog box, you meet the agent in digital person. And if you want you can remotely confirm the job was done or unless determined otherwise by game programmers of where the agent wants you to meet him or her.
Then there is where you can for arguements sake go to dance, all characters can be given a choice of what dance styles they want to dance with as long as the programmers at ccp program a variety of dances seen on lets say profetionals do like the cha cha cha or street dances, you cna even have 2 charecters dance together. You can have charecters crying for no reason at all just because they want to hear themselves cry lol. You can give charecters a voice to saw perticular things. charecters can point and laugh at other players. Charecters can hug or as you have seen already charecters can sit and watch the news. Only if CCP should allow what is going on and in space besides pre recorded video feeds. You can have in game and watch other players in action as long as other players allow themselves to be viewed in space. Or you can salute your commander roman style or your typical had over your brow style. There are different ways to salute a commander.
There is a game called rift online. Players are constantly interacting with each other in the main towns or villages there.
There area lot of things we can do in station.
what we have here is a 10/10 One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Eta Carinai
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:55:00 -
[2559] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Eta Carinai wrote: One way to make in station interaction between players is to take contracts and setting contracts only avalible in station. it has to be done like we would do in real life. People go to auctions to get what they are looking for.
Same way with eve. Things we would normally do remotely or in space can be done at an auction room in a station. Where we go to meet up and places like basic recreation. Instead of meeting up at a sertain place like the eve alliance evemails. We meet up at station like lets say in a war room where we can plan out on a screen where we need to mobaliz and when.
All countries in the world have a place where they meet up like a war room where leaders congragate and delegate what will happen for them in a war.
CCP can set it up so that the war room is used where each player participating unless that charecter is inactoive or not logged in. has to put time intoa perticular room for what ever it might be. or when you go to do agent missions. Instead of a dialog box, you meet the agent in digital person. And if you want you can remotely confirm the job was done or unless determined otherwise by game programmers of where the agent wants you to meet him or her.
Then there is where you can for arguements sake go to dance, all characters can be given a choice of what dance styles they want to dance with as long as the programmers at ccp program a variety of dances seen on lets say profetionals do like the cha cha cha or street dances, you cna even have 2 charecters dance together. You can have charecters crying for no reason at all just because they want to hear themselves cry lol. You can give charecters a voice to saw perticular things. charecters can point and laugh at other players. Charecters can hug or as you have seen already charecters can sit and watch the news. Only if CCP should allow what is going on and in space besides pre recorded video feeds. You can have in game and watch other players in action as long as other players allow themselves to be viewed in space. Or you can salute your commander roman style or your typical had over your brow style. There are different ways to salute a commander.
There is a game called rift online. Players are constantly interacting with each other in the main towns or villages there.
There area lot of things we can do in station.
what we have here is a 10/10
10/10 ? |
Sojourner Zen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:00:00 -
[2560] - Quote
Is this Taiwanistan person the only person to rage so against those who support WiS?
Taiwanistan wrote: wants to /emote with dudes
I prefer to go to my local leather bar when I want to /emote with dudes. But that's just me.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:07:00 -
[2561] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: look at you editin and makin it worse, you blew it stick to the tried and true 0/10 and never stop posting
Cool story bro.
Punctuation, you have none.
Another 0/10. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:09:00 -
[2562] - Quote
Sojourner Zen wrote:Is this Taiwanistan person the only person to rage so against those who support WiS? Taiwanistan wrote: wants to /emote with dudes I prefer to go to my local leather bar when I want to /emote with dudes. But that's just me.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was a Harlot alt.
Then again, it is goonswarm. 24 guys with 10 accounts each and not a single braincell between them.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:30:00 -
[2563] - Quote
Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked. Excellent post.
I also posted a similar reply in this thread quite a while ago.
It was quickly attacked by anti-WiS advocators who stated that FiS still has multiple options for new game play content. My request for them to provide some examples was completely ignored.
Obviously their lack of imagination and vision has been clearly demonstrated with the constant posting of replies filled with nonfactual statements, insults and derogatory remarks directed towards those who support WiS development. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:32:00 -
[2564] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked. Excellent post. I also posted a similar reply in this thread quite a while ago. It was quickly attacked by anti-WiS advocators who stated that FiS still has multiple options for new game play content. My request for them to provide some examples was completely ignored. Obviously their lack of imagination and vision has been clearly demonstrated with the constant posting of replies filled with nonfactual statements, insults and derogatory remarks directed towards those who support WiS development. i could say the same thing, that you lack imagination and vision if you thought fis has reached its limits One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Bluestream3
the Goose Flock
8
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:46:00 -
[2565] - Quote
Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked.
I wonder how many times this has been said in history, about many things. Everything that can be invented, has been invented. There's a total world market for about 5 computers. Well there are lots of quotes like it. If you're still playing in 5 years, I'm sure you could look back to this post and have a laugh about how wrong you were. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:56:00 -
[2566] - Quote
Thank you for the link. Nova Fox is one of my favourite posters on here, so I know it'll be a good read.
Aalam Naar wrote:Many of your points I concede to as part of the polish I previously mentioned. I'm all for this. I agree some work still needs to be done with existing game elements. In particular, I believe improvements in smuggling, bounty hunting, mining, and FW are excellent ideas. But your mention of a 'player driven insurance and banking system' intrigues me. : )
I used to play Project Entropia. It is an interesting game with a phenomenal economy, but it is harder to play well than EVE is. I was not cut out for that level of spreadsheet. However, I liked that enterprise in the game was mostly in the hands of the players. Space station disco? Player run banks? All there. All with tangible values.
I would, in EVE Online, see the NPC functions replaced with players. Let Concord sell banking licenses according to their laws. Let players open insurance shops so they can assuage risk themselves and decide what level of payout they're willing to give.
Basically, I'd like to see the sandbox opened more for players and less for NPCs. It's not a big quibble with the game, but I believe it could add to the depth of player participation we have. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:00:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked. Excellent post. I also posted a similar reply in this thread quite a while ago. It was quickly attacked by anti-WiS advocators who stated that FiS still has multiple options for new game play content. My request for them to provide some examples was completely ignored. Obviously their lack of imagination and vision has been clearly demonstrated with the constant posting of replies filled with nonfactual statements, insults and derogatory remarks directed towards those who support WiS development. i could say the same thing, that you lack imagination and vision if you thought fis has reached its limits
I never said FiS had reached it's limit but it's close.
And I can definitely think up some ideas to expand it, such as opening up Jove space, introducing Jovian agents with a new type of NPC enemy. This would allow for new tech ships, modules, skills, etc. I wouldn't call this new game play content but I'm sure it could be passed off as new game play content. It's really just another version of the current content already in-game.
However, this thread is about WiS development, mainly to show support and hopefully get some sort of clarification from CCP regarding it's future. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
621
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:08:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Excellent post.
I also posted a similar reply in this thread quite a while ago.
It was quickly attacked by anti-WiS advocators who stated that FiS still has multiple options for new game play content. My request for them to provide some examples was completely ignored.
Obviously their lack of imagination and vision has been clearly demonstrated with the constant posting of replies filled with nonfactual statements, insults and derogatory remarks directed towards those who support WiS development.
I agree. It's sickening, frankly, the level of immaturity displayed by the anti-WiS crowd.
Now, since the WiS-haters obviously need to be smacked over the head with a rusty iron crowbar to understand the simplest sentence:
We don't want EvE to die, either.
Read that again, and try to keep your brains from melting, okay?
We don't want EvE to die -- but we also don't want EvE to stagnate. We want CCP to innovate. We want them to continue to push the boundaries and bring us something new, instead of just rehashing last year's patches and putting a new coat of rust on the Minmatar ships.
How many balance tweaks and graphical updates can you WiS-haters stand, I wonder? Two? A dozen? Three dozen? Because that's what you're asking for. You're asking CCP to stop being a company that pushes the envelope.
EvE was once revolutionary. Anyone remember passing the 60,000-PCU mark? ((See this link) ) Or how about Guiding Hand Social Club, who spent an entire year infiltrating a corporation before tearing it apart from the inside ((And this one, too) )
That is the true core of EvE Online. Not FiS or WiS, or even spaceships in general, but a universe where literally anything is possible. Explore the sandbox, they said. See what's out there. Find your future among the stars.
And what have we become, after seven years? Nothing more than an unruly, divided camp that doesn't seem to care what EvE could become, given a suitable creative spark -- after all, as long as it stays exactly the same, we're all fine, right?
Right?
We don't want EvE to die.
We do want EvE to evolve. Monoclegate: because calling it 'Doorgate' would just be silly. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:11:00 -
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Bluestream3 wrote:Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked. I wonder how many times this has been said in history, about many things. Everything that can be invented, has been invented. There's a total world market for about 5 computers. Well there are lots of quotes like it. If you're still playing in 5 years, I'm sure you could look back to this post and have a laugh about how wrong you were.
Where ever CCP's imagination goes, Eve will follow.
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:24:00 -
[2570] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: I never said FiS had reached it's limit but it's close.
And I can definitely think up some ideas to expand it, such as opening up Jove space, introducing Jovian agents with a new type of NPC enemy. This would allow for new tech ships, modules, skills, etc. I wouldn't call this new game play content but I'm sure it could be passed off as new game play content. It's really just another version of the current content already in-game.
However, this thread is about WiS development, mainly to show support and hopefully get some sort of clarification from CCP regarding it's future.
The problem with the introduction of new tech ships and modules and skills would be that this would make EVE just into another item spiral game. No ideas for new content? Let's just update the old content, let's make the new weapons do 50% more damage and the new defenses absorb 50% more damage. Let's add some new skills to "grind" up to keep them alle playing as long as possible. In the end there is only a new time sink generated, no real new content.
I see a great potential for many features that are already in place to make some interesting variants of the current content. But is there really a lot of new things that can be added to the space gameplay that arn't just variants of what we already have? Of course there are some ideas discussed what can be added and some of them sound really cool. But we all know now from Hilmar that the era of jesus features is over, so there won't be any groundbreaking new features for the core space game and the avatar game alike for some time. They are now starting to iterate content that is already in place, I think this will take a while.
But, and that is the point, even new space game features can take as only to a certain point until they start to just repeat. The avatar gameplay opens up a wide variety of new gameplay possibilities (a lot of ideas are already discussed here) that can keep the game alive.
Just to give an example: Star Wars Galaxies originally startet without space combat, just avatar gameplay. Then they added the expansion "Jump to Lightspeed" and added space combat. Both parts of the game complemented each other fairly nice and future expansion and updates managed to add some content for both parts of the game. SWG also had a lot of socializing going on, with player cities and player owned buildings etc. It worked well in other games, why do the haters think that it can't work in EVE? |
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:41:00 -
[2571] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: I never said FiS had reached it's limit but it's close.
And I can definitely think up some ideas to expand it, such as opening up Jove space, introducing Jovian agents with a new type of NPC enemy. This would allow for new tech ships, modules, skills, etc. I wouldn't call this new game play content but I'm sure it could be passed off as new game play content. It's really just another version of the current content already in-game.
However, this thread is about WiS development, mainly to show support and hopefully get some sort of clarification from CCP regarding it's future.
The problem with the introduction of new tech ships and modules and skills would be that this would make EVE just into another item spiral game. No ideas for new content? Let's just update the old content, let's make the new weapons do 50% more damage and the new defenses absorb 50% more damage. Let's add some new skills to "grind" up to keep them alle playing as long as possible. In the end there is only a new time sink generated, no real new content. I see a great potential for many features that are already in place to make some interesting variants of the current content. But is there really a lot of new things that can be added to the space gameplay that arn't just variants of what we already have? Of course there are some ideas discussed what can be added and some of them sound really cool. But we all know now from Hilmar that the era of jesus features is over, so there won't be any groundbreaking new features for the core space game and the avatar game alike for some time. They are now starting to iterate content that is already in place, I think this will take a while. But, and that is the point, even new space game features can take as only to a certain point until they start to just repeat. The avatar gameplay opens up a wide variety of new gameplay possibilities (a lot of ideas are already discussed here) that can keep the game alive. Just to give an example: Star Wars Galaxies originally startet without space combat, just avatar gameplay. Then they added the expansion "Jump to Lightspeed" and added space combat. Both parts of the game complemented each other fairly nice and future expansion and updates managed to add some content for both parts of the game. SWG also had a lot of socializing going on, with player cities and player owned buildings etc. It worked well in other games, why do the haters think that it can't work in EVE?
It's less the fact that it can't work and more the fact that a good chunk of eve players are self-centered antisocial space nerds tbh. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:52:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:I agree. It's sickening, frankly, the level of immaturity displayed by the anti-WiS crowd.
I'm wagering that type of language helps improve the situation immeasurably. When you start a post like that, it puts a very negative tone to the rest of what you write. No matter how compelling it is, now when I read it I think you are over emotional, angry and like to insult people that disagree with you. You're on the same level as your "immature anti-WiS crowd".
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:52:00 -
[2573] - Quote
as opposed to sociable /emoting space nerds whose entire social life is online?
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
319
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:55:00 -
[2574] - Quote
Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked.
That's the palin truth. The signs that FiS is gonna jump the shark (that is, harm its purpose in the struggle to keep customers interested in the same old drill) sooner than later already are there to be seen; spell with me:
"Supercarriers"
A.k.a. the ultimate evidence on how add one more ship can call for disaster.
If EVE is to keep people interested, it must keep adding goals. And being a niche game means that there is not much things to add. I already said in this same thread, that EVE's current audience is very limtied, and the only way to reach mroe audience is to add new content. Nullsec is only gonna keep that many people interested, and IMO it already has peaked and it's all downhill from where it is.
I would love to know for sure how is the lifespan of a EVE suscription; what people do, and how long, until they cancel. My own guess is that people who subscribe, go nullsec, stay for years are easily overcome by people who subscribe, never interest themselves in nullsec, and eventually leave bored and tired because of lack of endgame.
Seriously, how many times can you sell "join EVE, go nullsec, grief for free"? To how many people? And how long can you keep them amused with newer ways to grief other players who used to mind their business?
How many times can you move Lvl5s to gangland? How many times can you tell ice miners to go fu** themselves? How many times can you allow someeone to scam 2,500 $ from another player without consequence? How many times can you deprive smallholders of acces to Customs Offices? How long can the endless griefing last until the only way to keep the game alive is to provide griefing-free content?
Wis is nt jsut a feature. Is that thing nobody is doing yet, and that can become endgame if done properly. An endgame for people who pay to have fun, not to be griefed.
CCP swearing they will keep griefers content for at least one year is not gonna cut through it. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:58:00 -
[2575] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked. That's the palin truth. The signs that FiS is gonna jump the shark (that is, harm its purpose in the struggle to keep customers interested in the same old drill) sooner than later already are there to be seen; spell with me: "Supercarriers" A.k.a. the ultimate evidence on how add one more ship can call for disaster. If EVE is to keep people interested, it must keep adding goals. And being a niche game means that there is not much things to add. I already said in this same thread, that EVE's current audience is very limtied, and the only way to reach mroe audience is to add new content. Nullsec is only gonna keep that many people interested, and IMO it already has peaked and it's all downhill from where it is. I would love to know for sure how is the lifespan of a EVE suscription; what people do, and how long, until they cancel. My own guess is that people who subscribe, go nullsec, stay for years are easily overcome by people who subscribe, never interest themselves in nullsec, and eventually leave bored and tired because of lack of endgame. Seriously, how many times can you sell "join EVE, go nullsec, grief for free"? To how many people? And how long can you keep them amused with newer ways to grief other players who used to mind their business? How many times can you move Lvl5s to gangland? How many times can you tell ice miners to go fu** themselves? How many times can you allow someeone to scam 2,500 $ from another player without consequence? How many times can you deprive smallholders of acces to Customs Offices? How long can the endless griefing last until the only way to keep the game alive is to provide griefing-free content? Wis is nt jsut a feature. Is that thing nobody is doing yet, and that can become endgame if done properly. An endgame for people who pay to have fun, not to be griefed. CCP swearing they will keep griefers content for at least one year is not gonna cut through it. you mean in an establishment /emoting each other not getting ganked?
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.10 08:10:00 -
[2576] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:
It worked well in other games, why do the haters think that it can't work in EVE?
Because social activity in EVE basically is to being in a fleet with your corp (or alliance), being on comms, and blow someone else's sh*t up.
And for record, Star Wars Galaxies is a dead MMO. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.10 08:34:00 -
[2577] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:as opposed to sociable /emoting space nerds whose entire social life is online?
You already know how I would have it, so that's kind of irrelevant. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:13:00 -
[2578] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Arcathra wrote:
It worked well in other games, why do the haters think that it can't work in EVE?
Because social activity in EVE basically is to being in a fleet with your corp (or alliance), being on comms, and blow someone else's sh*t up. And for record, Star Wars Galaxies is a dead MMO. Yes, it is dead. But for entirely other reasons than the ones that are discussed here. Social activity in EVE of course comes down to flying with your corp and alliance and taling on comms. Just because there are no (real) alternatives and gameplay need to do it somewhere else at the moment.
By the way, we are all "space nerds" crying for more spaceships or avatar options who try to "battle" our opposition on an internet forum to "save" or "change" a computer game we are probaly "wasting" more time with than we should. We have just to admit, we are all as nerdy as it can get . Nobody should try to pretend that he is somewhat better. In the eyes of "others" we are all crazy people... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:31:00 -
[2579] - Quote
Not crazy, just passionately eccentric.
Ai Shun wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:I agree. It's sickening, frankly, the level of immaturity displayed by the anti-WiS crowd. I'm wagering that type of language helps improve the situation immeasurably. When you start a post like that, it puts a very negative tone to the rest of what you write. No matter how compelling it is, now when I read it I think you are over emotional, angry and like to insult people that disagree with you. You're on the same level as your "immature anti-WiS crowd". It may be negative but it is truthful. Your reply reminds me of the 'Politically Correct Affirmative Criticism' program that all of the major business companies have incorporated to insure they don't get hit with lawsuits. Basically it's start with a positive remark, then causally insert criticism and end with another positive remark. More or less a sugar coat.
Of course you also decided to leave out the rest of the reply therefore bypassing it's main point. Good job at 'Selective Quoting'. |
Aalam Naar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.10 10:02:00 -
[2580] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: i could say the same thing, that you lack imagination and vision if you thought fis has reached its limits
I think they've got the important internet spaceship pew pew go bang bang down pretty well.
But as I've already said, with some polish, reworks, whatever-have-you regarding some of the already long existing fly in space content it's pretty much a sealed envelope really.
There's plenty of stuff to get involved in already. Certainly enough to keep all types of players occupied while flying spacecraft or being immobile in some two dimensional space station.
Hey wait, see what I did there?
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Aalam Naar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.10 10:20:00 -
[2581] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Excellent post.
I also posted a similar reply in this thread quite a while ago.
It was quickly attacked by anti-WiS advocators who stated that FiS still has multiple options for new game play content. My request for them to provide some examples was completely ignored.
Obviously their lack of imagination and vision has been clearly demonstrated with the constant posting of replies filled with nonfactual statements, insults and derogatory remarks directed towards those who support WiS development.
I agree. It's sickening, frankly, the level of immaturity displayed by the anti-WiS crowd. Now, since the WiS-haters obviously need to be smacked over the head with a rusty iron crowbar to understand the simplest sentence: We don't want EvE to die, either.Read that again, and try to keep your brains from melting, okay? We don't want EvE to die -- but we also don't want EvE to stagnate. We want CCP to innovate. We want them to continue to push the boundaries and bring us something new, instead of just rehashing last year's patches and putting a new coat of rust on the Minmatar ships. How many balance tweaks and graphical updates can you WiS-haters stand, I wonder? Two? A dozen? Three dozen? Because that's what you're asking for. You're asking CCP to stop being a company that pushes the envelope. EvE was once revolutionary. Anyone remember passing the 60,000-PCU mark? ( (See this link) ) Or how about Guiding Hand Social Club, who spent an entire year infiltrating a corporation before tearing it apart from the inside ( (And this one, too) ) That is the true core of EvE Online. Not FiS or WiS, or even spaceships in general, but a universe where literally anything is possible. Explore the sandbox, they said. See what's out there. Find your future among the stars. And what have we become, after seven years? Nothing more than an unruly, divided camp that doesn't seem to care what EvE could become, given a suitable creative spark -- after all, as long as it stays exactly the same, we're all fine, right? Right? We don't want EvE to die. We do want EvE to evolve.
Superb. Really and truly superb.
Excellent post Astrid! |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:13:00 -
[2582] - Quote
Aalam Naar wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Excellent post.
I also posted a similar reply in this thread quite a while ago.
It was quickly attacked by anti-WiS advocators who stated that FiS still has multiple options for new game play content. My request for them to provide some examples was completely ignored.
Obviously their lack of imagination and vision has been clearly demonstrated with the constant posting of replies filled with nonfactual statements, insults and derogatory remarks directed towards those who support WiS development.
I agree. It's sickening, frankly, the level of immaturity displayed by the anti-WiS crowd. Now, since the WiS-haters obviously need to be smacked over the head with a rusty iron crowbar to understand the simplest sentence: We don't want EvE to die, either.Read that again, and try to keep your brains from melting, okay? We don't want EvE to die -- but we also don't want EvE to stagnate. We want CCP to innovate. We want them to continue to push the boundaries and bring us something new, instead of just rehashing last year's patches and putting a new coat of rust on the Minmatar ships. How many balance tweaks and graphical updates can you WiS-haters stand, I wonder? Two? A dozen? Three dozen? Because that's what you're asking for. You're asking CCP to stop being a company that pushes the envelope. EvE was once revolutionary. Anyone remember passing the 60,000-PCU mark? ( (See this link) ) Or how about Guiding Hand Social Club, who spent an entire year infiltrating a corporation before tearing it apart from the inside ( (And this one, too) ) That is the true core of EvE Online. Not FiS or WiS, or even spaceships in general, but a universe where literally anything is possible. Explore the sandbox, they said. See what's out there. Find your future among the stars. And what have we become, after seven years? Nothing more than an unruly, divided camp that doesn't seem to care what EvE could become, given a suitable creative spark -- after all, as long as it stays exactly the same, we're all fine, right? Right? We don't want EvE to die. We do want EvE to evolve. Superb. Really and truly superb. Excellent post Astrid!
Couldn't have said it better myself. Very well put.
As annoying as they are, i feel sorry for the WiS hater as they seem deluded almost like a battered wife... Their husband (CCP) has treated them really badly in the past (Ignoring requests for improvements) but one day he decides to buy her a bunch of cheap flowers from the petrol station (crucible) and now she starts thinking "oh he does really love me after all, I think i'll stay with him" then a couple weeks later he beats here up again (disappointing expansion) and then she's back to square one crying on the bathroom floor (raging on the forums).
Now that resources are not being wasted on world of darkness, i see no reason as to why CCP can't work on WIS and FIS content. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:23:00 -
[2583] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
yadda yadda
But now, try seeing WiS through the eyes of skeptics or even better, try seeing through the eyes of everyone at CCP. A company that just recently had to cut its workforce by 20% because they tried to push the envelope for 18 months and satisfy those that wanted avatars in EVE.
And I ask; why do you want to kill EVE so badly? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:24:00 -
[2584] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Aalam Naar wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Excellent post.
I also posted a similar reply in this thread quite a while ago.
It was quickly attacked by anti-WiS advocators who stated that FiS still has multiple options for new game play content. My request for them to provide some examples was completely ignored.
Obviously their lack of imagination and vision has been clearly demonstrated with the constant posting of replies filled with nonfactual statements, insults and derogatory remarks directed towards those who support WiS development.
I agree. It's sickening, frankly, the level of immaturity displayed by the anti-WiS crowd. Now, since the WiS-haters obviously need to be smacked over the head with a rusty iron crowbar to understand the simplest sentence: We don't want EvE to die, either.Read that again, and try to keep your brains from melting, okay? We don't want EvE to die -- but we also don't want EvE to stagnate. We want CCP to innovate. We want them to continue to push the boundaries and bring us something new, instead of just rehashing last year's patches and putting a new coat of rust on the Minmatar ships. How many balance tweaks and graphical updates can you WiS-haters stand, I wonder? Two? A dozen? Three dozen? Because that's what you're asking for. You're asking CCP to stop being a company that pushes the envelope. EvE was once revolutionary. Anyone remember passing the 60,000-PCU mark? ( (See this link) ) Or how about Guiding Hand Social Club, who spent an entire year infiltrating a corporation before tearing it apart from the inside ( (And this one, too) ) That is the true core of EvE Online. Not FiS or WiS, or even spaceships in general, but a universe where literally anything is possible. Explore the sandbox, they said. See what's out there. Find your future among the stars. And what have we become, after seven years? Nothing more than an unruly, divided camp that doesn't seem to care what EvE could become, given a suitable creative spark -- after all, as long as it stays exactly the same, we're all fine, right? Right? We don't want EvE to die. We do want EvE to evolve. Superb. Really and truly superb. Excellent post Astrid! Couldn't have said it better myself. Very well but. As annoying as they are, i feel sorry for the WiS hater as they seem deluded almost like a battered wife... Their husband (CCP) has treated them really badly in the past (Ignoring requests for improvements) but one day he decides to buy here a bunch of cheap flowers from the petrol station (crucible) and now she starts thinking "oh he does really love me after all, I think i'll stay with him" then a couple weeks later he beats here up again (disappointing expansion) and then she back to square one crying on the bathroom floor (raging on the forums). Now that resources are not being wasted on world of darkness, i see no reason as to why CCP can't work on WIS AND FIS content. naw dawg i am just against the idea of ccp putting any more resources to enable frivolous social features we wis haters are more of a good friend and we see our good friend (ccp) starting to develop a drug problem (the quick highs of "being like the rest of the market", stooping to korean practices), resorting to selling his body and soul at the airport bathrooms and we just had staged an intervention and we tell him, hey man, we love you just the way that you are, don't change on me bro, One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:28:00 -
[2585] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: naw dawg i am just against the idea of ccp putting any more resources to enable frivolous social features we wis haters are more of a good friend and we see our good friend (ccp) starting to develop a drug problem (the quick highs of "being like the rest of the market", stooping to korean practices), resorting to selling his body and soul at the airport bathrooms and we just had staged an intervention and we tell him, hey man, we love you just the way that you are, don't change on me bro,
You didn't stage anything, you just took the opportunity to attention ***** on the forums after CCP failed. Not judging, that's what goons do, many people are like that IRL. They just crave attention.
When WiS is released I'd like the join the Amarrian SS as an operative and infiltrate Rens in order to acquire information on the Minmattar underground railroad. Uh oh, I'm Caldari, I take this information back to my commander first and receive a small stipend of Achurian Opium under the table before heading off to the nearest Gallentean pleasure hub, unfortunately forgetting about my original mission. I see a runaway slave, I forget where I am and I try to capture him, I spend the rest of the night in jail.
Not exactly frivolous social features.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:30:00 -
[2586] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: naw dawg i am just against the idea of ccp putting any more resources to enable frivolous social features we wis haters are more of a good friend and we see our good friend (ccp) starting to develop a drug problem (the quick highs of "being like the rest of the market", stooping to korean practices), resorting to selling his body and soul at the airport bathrooms and we just had staged an intervention and we tell him, hey man, we love you just the way that you are, don't change on me bro,
You didn't stage anything, you just took the opportunity to attention ***** on the forums after CCP failed. Not judging, that's what goons do, many people are like that IRL. They just crave attention. When WiS is released I'd like the join the Amarrian SS as an operative and infiltrate Rens in order to acquire information on the Minmattar underground railroad. Uh oh, I'm Caldari, I take this information back to my commander first and receive a small stipend of Achurian Opium under the table before heading off to the nearest Gallentean pleasure hub, unfortunately forgetting about my original mission. I see a runaway slave, I forget where I am and I try to capture him, I spend the rest of the night in jail. Not exactly frivolous social features. i think i've seen that movie before One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:37:00 -
[2587] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:
yadda yadda
But now, try seeing WiS through the eyes of skeptics or even better, try seeing through the eyes of everyone at CCP. A company that just recently had to cut its workforce by 20% because they tried to push the envelope for 18 months and satisfy those that wanted avatars in EVE. And I ask; why do you want to kill EVE so badly?
How did Incarna push the envelope? The only thing it pushed were graphics cards to their breaking point.
WiS didn't fail because it never came out. CCP failed because they pushed, the pretty but ultimately useless Incarna/Nex store on the players. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:55:00 -
[2588] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: naw dawg i am just against the idea of ccp putting any more resources to enable frivolous social features we wis haters are more of a good friend and we see our good friend (ccp) starting to develop a drug problem (the quick highs of "being like the rest of the market", stooping to korean practices), resorting to selling his body and soul at the airport bathrooms and we just had staged an intervention and we tell him, hey man, we love you just the way that you are, don't change on me bro,
In that example your friend is not happy with his life so advising him to stay the same would be the wrong thing to do IMO... I would help him look at his strengths, encourage him improve on those but also suggest new things he could do to overcome his weaknesses.
I think if we don't encourage CCP to think outside the box and try new things, then their staffs creative talents will go to waste and the game will grow stagnant. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.01.10 12:24:00 -
[2589] - Quote
and then our good fried (ccp) went through with the NA program and is doing quite good but he is still a long ways from getting back on track
but his junkie scum friends (pro wis) are still calling him hey let's party like we used to and again we the good friends must step out and stop that. again One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.10 12:36:00 -
[2590] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:and then our good fried (ccp) went through with the NA program and is doing quite good but he is still a long ways from getting back on track
but his junkie scum friends (pro wis) are still calling him hey let's party like we used to and again we the good friends must step out and stop that. again
Want a hit?
First ones free... |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.10 12:38:00 -
[2591] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:and then our good fried (ccp) went through with the NA program and is doing quite good but he is still a long ways from getting back on track
but his junkie scum friends (pro wis) are still calling him hey let's party like we used to and again we the good friends must step out and stop that. again
That's all based on your sense of morality... Who are you to say what this friend should or shouldn't do?!
Don't kid your self into thinking you have shown CCP the light and they now realise you are right...
They ignored our requests for improvements (FW, bounty system, etc) for years and now because their vision utterly failed, they have given use ships that were designed by players and made improvements that were also suggested by players.
The fact is, the existing FIS stuff should be continually improved anyway but we should get new stuff aswell.
Do you honestly want CCP to do nothing but polish the game? |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.01.10 13:47:00 -
[2592] - Quote
you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:01:00 -
[2593] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that
No, i see WiS as a way to add more variety, drastically different gameplay and a deeper sense of immersion to EVE. I see improvements to FiS content as being something that we should expect and not class as an "expansion".
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:07:00 -
[2594] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:and then our good fried (ccp) went through with the NA program and is doing quite good but he is still a long ways from getting back on track
but his junkie scum friends (pro wis) are still calling him hey let's party like we used to and again we the good friends must step out and stop that. again
Junkie scum friends?
I resent that remark.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 15:25:00 -
[2595] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:and then our good fried (ccp) went through with the NA program and is doing quite good but he is still a long ways from getting back on track
but his junkie scum friends (pro wis) are still calling him hey let's party like we used to and again we the good friends must step out and stop that. again Junkie scum friends? I resent that remark. ok that was a low blow i acknowledge that One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.10 15:39:00 -
[2596] - Quote
Bluestream3 wrote:Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked. I wonder how many times this has been said in history, about many things. Everything that can be invented, has been invented. There's a total world market for about 5 computers. Well there are lots of quotes like it. If you're still playing in 5 years, I'm sure you could look back to this post and have a laugh about how wrong you were. I do not agree with the sentiment that there is nowhere else to go with FiS. There are I am sure plenty of things they can still do with FiS that nobody has even thought of yet. However...that is no reason to discount WiS. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.10 15:41:00 -
[2597] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that No, i see WiS as a way to add more variety, drastically different gameplay and a deeper sense of immersion to EVE. I see improvements to FiS content as being something that we should expect and not class as an "expansion". This is a very good way to put it. WiS is actually creating NEW and FRESH content instead of just expanding on the old content. Again...not saying we shouldn't expand on the old content that is FiS and the core of EvE. But we should not be discouraging new content like WiS that adds more variety and more stuff to do. Even if you don't want to use it...it improves the game...draws in more players to shoot at in FiS...makes more money for CCP which in turn means better stuff all around.
Yes...CCP should keep a focust on fixing what needs fixed in FiS first.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:11:00 -
[2598] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that No, i see WiS as a way to add more variety, drastically different gameplay and a deeper sense of immersion to EVE. I see improvements to FiS content as being something that we should expect and not class as an "expansion".
The problem is we've seen little intent from CCP to provide 'gameplay' for WiS for some time. Perhaps in 2006 there was some talk of it, but the whole project was then sidetracked into a avatar dressing micro-transaction platform which serves mostly to fry graphics cards and beta a graphics engine for the now all but shelved White Wolf game.
The reason you're not hearing anything about future plans now or for some time is that the plans for the last couple of years can be summed up by "sell monocles and boots to players with too much rl money" and "test the WoD engine" and both those things have now been punted way over the horizon. If CCP are going to ever touch it again, they have to start the whole concept virtually from step one, and that's without even considering that they'd also need to fix the now obvious shortcomings of the Carbon engine before they got anything in a playable state, OR that (as I understand it) a large proportion of the recent 20% cuts came from the people who had been working on WiS.
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:12:00 -
[2599] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that
That's because your an idiot.
Don't like it? Tough.
Can I haz your stuff?
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:31:00 -
[2600] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that That's because your an idiot. Don't like it? Tough. Can I haz your stuff? lol go google up some more tired memes you worthless pedo runt
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Aalam Naar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:53:00 -
[2601] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that
I believe that was me who said that.
As an aside, I don't believe you provided any ideas to suggest how FiS features are lacking and that new content (regarding FiS) is necessary or required. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:06:00 -
[2602] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that No, i see WiS as a way to add more variety, drastically different gameplay and a deeper sense of immersion to EVE. I see improvements to FiS content as being something that we should expect and not class as an "expansion". The problem is we've seen little intent from CCP to provide 'gameplay' for WiS for some time. Perhaps in 2006 there was some talk of it, but the whole project was then sidetracked into a avatar dressing micro-transaction platform which serves mostly to fry graphics cards and beta a graphics engine for the now all but shelved White Wolf game. The reason you're not hearing anything about future plans now or for some time is that the plans for the last couple of years can be summed up by "sell monocles and boots to players with too much rl money" and "test the WoD engine" and both those things have now been punted way over the horizon. If CCP are going to ever touch it again, they have to start the whole concept virtually from step one, and that's without even considering that they'd also need to fix the now obvious shortcomings of the Carbon engine before they got anything in a playable state, OR that (as I understand it) a large proportion of the recent 20% cuts came from the people who had been working on WiS.
I agree with you. However, i don't think CCP would need to redesign the concept, they would just need to go back to their original plans before some idiot decided to try and sell us $70 monolces |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:30:00 -
[2603] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that That's because your an idiot. Don't like it? Tough. Can I haz your stuff? lol go google up some more tired memes you worthless pedo runt
Right back at ya. |
Aalam Naar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:36:00 -
[2604] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: I do not agree with the sentiment that there is nowhere else to go with FiS. There are I am sure plenty of things they can still do with FiS that nobody has even thought of yet. However...that is no reason to discount WiS.
Fair enough.
I am certainly not against new content of any kind as long as it is content that adds positively to the game.
I do believe, as you've mentioned, that WiS would create 'NEW and FRESH content instead of just expanding on the old'. Ultimately, I believe it will be something that very likely will need to be re-looked at with new focus, interest, and intent. |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:49:00 -
[2605] - Quote
A CCP survey is up, provide useful feedback of WiS to them. Go! |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.10 21:09:00 -
[2606] - Quote
*keeps reading. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:08:00 -
[2607] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:The problem is we've seen little intent from CCP to provide 'gameplay' for WiS for some time. Perhaps in 2006 there was some talk of it, but the whole project was then sidetracked into a avatar dressing micro-transaction platform which serves mostly to fry graphics cards and beta a graphics engine for the now all but shelved White Wolf game.
The reason you're not hearing anything about future plans now or for some time is that the plans for the last couple of years can be summed up by "sell monocles and boots to players with too much rl money" and "test the WoD engine" and both those things have now been punted way over the horizon. If CCP are going to ever touch it again, they have to start the whole concept virtually from step one, and that's without even considering that they'd also need to fix the now obvious shortcomings of the Carbon engine before they got anything in a playable state, OR that (as I understand it) a large proportion of the recent 20% cuts came from the people who had been working on WiS.
I agree with you. However, i don't think CCP would need to redesign the concept, they would just need to go back to their original plans before some idiot decided to try and sell us $70 monolces
How much of an 'original plan' was ever made before it got shunted into NeX and Carbon, though?
Sure, there was some vague handwaving about Going Under The Radar to do Secret Walking Around Things. How much of that actually got planned beyond the vague handwaving? ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:15:00 -
[2608] - Quote
Trolls feeding trolls, this thread is going places. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:16:00 -
[2609] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:The problem is we've seen little intent from CCP to provide 'gameplay' for WiS for some time. Perhaps in 2006 there was some talk of it, but the whole project was then sidetracked into a avatar dressing micro-transaction platform which serves mostly to fry graphics cards and beta a graphics engine for the now all but shelved White Wolf game.
The reason you're not hearing anything about future plans now or for some time is that the plans for the last couple of years can be summed up by "sell monocles and boots to players with too much rl money" and "test the WoD engine" and both those things have now been punted way over the horizon. If CCP are going to ever touch it again, they have to start the whole concept virtually from step one, and that's without even considering that they'd also need to fix the now obvious shortcomings of the Carbon engine before they got anything in a playable state, OR that (as I understand it) a large proportion of the recent 20% cuts came from the people who had been working on WiS.
I agree with you. However, i don't think CCP would need to redesign the concept, they would just need to go back to their original plans before some idiot decided to try and sell us $70 monolces How much of an 'original plan' was ever made before it got shunted into NeX and Carbon, though? Sure, there was some vague handwaving about Going Under The Radar to do Secret Walking Around Things. How much of that actually got planned beyond the vague handwaving?
Building carbon was always their plan, they cannot build WOD without it. As for the rest of their plans for "ambulation" I'd bet it is up on the same whiteboard as CCP's mythical infiniband upgrade.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:18:00 -
[2610] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
Building carbon was always their plan, they cannot build WOD without it. As for the rest of their plans for "ambulation" I'd bet it is up on the same whiteboard as CCP's mythical infiniband upgrade.
Youtube, ambulation. |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:21:00 -
[2611] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
Building carbon was always their plan, they cannot build WOD without it. As for the rest of their plans for "ambulation" I'd bet it is up on the same whiteboard as CCP's mythical infiniband upgrade.
Youtube, ambulation.
And I will raise you a Atmospheric Flight: The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:25:00 -
[2612] - Quote
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:29:00 -
[2613] - Quote
Nice survey...hope it's legit. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
67
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:29:00 -
[2614] - Quote
First we'll have Dust on the Ps3 if we care to buy a ps3 and really want an avatar related portion of EVE.
I think many do. I think it might be interesting. I figure that the cost of the PS3 would be far cheaper than the computer upgrades needed to run such highly rendered avatars in action would be so incredibly cutting edge that a $300 ps3 purchase would be far cheaper than trying to stay at a bleeding edge with your PC to even hope to have it work.
I imagine there might be some question if the consoles can handle the rendering too but that's beyond my field of knowledge
I see the Dust as a very active and agressive move forward to "walking in stations".
After Dust is up and running, extending the platforms that dust can run on to other consoles and to the PC in some lighter form will logically follow. It seems quite logical to me to get the EVE avatar enviornemnt working one place first and the place they believe they can most readily achieve it and progress from there.
They are going full speed ahead... thre is a plan... they do want to get there.. .. if that's what you want most , walking in stations.. you show feel good about the resources commited to it. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
319
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:37:00 -
[2615] - Quote
By the way...
At the old forums, when i talked about the bright and promising feature that Incarna could be (that was pre-incursion), some bittervets said to me: "you will be disappointed, CCP has NEVER fulfilled any promise they made in a fanfest".
To you people, i just reminded it and I can tell you: you were right. FML... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:41:00 -
[2616] - Quote
It's interesting how that survey doesn't actually have a section talking about the additions to Incarna. So except for the comments section, there is nowhere else to express your desire (or non-desire) for future updates to Incarna. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
319
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:50:00 -
[2617] - Quote
Diomedes Calypso wrote:First we'll have Dust on the Ps3 if we care to buy a ps3 and really want an avatar related portion of EVE.
I think many do. I think it might be interesting. I figure that the cost of the PS3 would be far cheaper than the computer upgrades needed to run such highly rendered avatars in action would be so incredibly cutting edge that a $300 ps3 purchase would be far cheaper than trying to stay at a bleeding edge with your PC to even hope to have it work.
I imagine there might be some question if the consoles can handle the rendering too but that's beyond my field of knowledge
I see the Dust as a very active and agressive move forward to "walking in stations".
After Dust is up and running, extending the platforms that dust can run on to other consoles and to the PC in some lighter form will logically follow. It seems quite logical to me to get the EVE avatar enviornemnt working one place first and the place they believe they can most readily achieve it and progress from there.
They are going full speed ahead... thre is a plan... they do want to get there.. .. if that's what you want most , walking in stations.. you show feel good about the resources commited to it.
Huh... no. DUST uses Unreal Engine 3.0. This is why it's been developed by a small bunch of Chinese developers in Shanghai, as it doesn't requires the kind of cutting edge development inherent to EVE.
If CCP wanted to use UE 3.0 for EVE, then we would be walking in stations now, provided the sheer manpower of Reykjavik office compared to Shanghai's. Actually Shangai is the smaller division of CCP (Atlanta was quite larger).
So far, CCP has got a cutting edge engine that can perfectly render one high quality avatar in a room... and everybody doubts seriously that it can do the same with more than a few avatars at once. Curently CCP's Carbon engine is a Ferrari with a fuel tank of half a liter.... it goes VROOM, but then it runs dry right before leaving the garage. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
67
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:55:00 -
[2618] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Diomedes Calypso wrote:First we'll have Dust on the Ps3 if we care to buy a ps3 and really want an avatar related portion of EVE.
I .................
.............the platforms that dust can run on to other consoles and to the PC in some lighter form will logically follow. It seems quite logical to me to get the EVE avatar enviornemnt working one place first and the place they believe they can most readily achieve it and progress from there.
They are going full speed ahead... thre is a plan... they do want to get there.. .. if that's what you want most , walking in stations.. you show feel good about the resources commited to it. Huh... no. DUST uses Unreal Engine 3.0. This is why it's been developed by a small bunch of Chinese developers in Shanghai, as it doesn't requires the kind of cutting edge development inherent to EVE. If CCP wanted to use UE 3.0 for EVE, then we would be walking in stations now, provided the sheer manpower of Reykjavik office compared to Shanghai's. Actually Shangai is the smaller division of CCP (Atlanta was quite larger). So far, CCP has got a cutting edge engine that can perfectly render one high quality avatar in a room... and everybody doubts seriously that it can do the same with more than a few avatars at once. Curently CCP's Carbon engine is a Ferrari with a fuel tank of half a liter.... it goes VROOM, but then it runs dry right before leaving the garage.
Thanks for setting that straight.... although with or without carbon it makes sense to me to develope something using the UE framework you mention at one place at a time.
Without some shoot em up content, it doesn't make much sense to walk in stations. At least in my opinion it doesn't. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.10 23:13:00 -
[2619] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Nice survey...hope it's legit.
It is legit. It has been advertised through the news letter, discussed on the forums, etc. Keep up with CCP comms and you'll be better informed in general. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.10 23:23:00 -
[2620] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:[ Huh... no. DUST uses Unreal Engine 3.0. This is why it's been developed by a small bunch of Chinese developers in Shanghai, as it doesn't requires the kind of cutting edge development inherent to EVE.
I wonder if some of the art assets being developed for Dust (well at least those used in building interiors), might end up being resused in some modified form in Incarna. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2012.01.10 23:53:00 -
[2621] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Nice survey...hope it's legit.
It's legit.
In fact, it's included with the December newsletter.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.11 01:18:00 -
[2622] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that That's because your an idiot. Don't like it? Tough. Can I haz your stuff? lol go google up some more tired memes you worthless pedo runt Right back at ya. christ are you still trying? biomass yo, get another forum alt, we all know youse a pedo One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.11 02:51:00 -
[2623] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that That's because your an idiot. Don't like it? Tough. Can I haz your stuff? lol go google up some more tired memes you worthless pedo runt Right back at ya. christ are you still trying? biomass yo, get another forum alt, we all know youse a pedo
Again, another personal attack, this time calling another player a pedophile.
Just leave Taiwanistan I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.11 03:31:00 -
[2624] - Quote
I re-enforced "OPEN THE DOOR!" in the comments of the survey I took...if you support this thread do the same. Of course leave any other constructive comments as well. This should be a great help to CCP to understand what we want as players. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Peter Raptor
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.01.11 04:49:00 -
[2625] - Quote
If CCP is gonna have pole dancers for the sole reason of feeding weird pixel-prevert-players fetishes , then
Abandon Pervo WiS ! |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 05:59:00 -
[2626] - Quote
These forums have gone to ****.
I can't believe the crap that is being permited.
CCP has lost all control of it's game and it's forums. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 06:07:00 -
[2627] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:These forums have gone to ****.
I can't believe the crap that is being permited.
CCP has lost all control of it's game and it's forums.
If you think these forums are bad, go check out Wildly Inappropriate's forums.
Taiwanastan might be able to tell you if they still make their daily porno topics.
I wouldn't be surprised if goonswarm have those either...
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 11:38:00 -
[2628] - Quote
Hikaru Kuroda wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Nice survey...hope it's legit. It's legit. In fact, it's included with the December newsletter.
I wouldn't put much faith in that survey due to the fact that it isn't linked to active accounts. That means it can be easily exploited and manipulated allowing a player to complete it multiple times.
If CCP was serious, the survey would load up right after the log in page and could only be completed once per paid account. After it was completed, then the character selection page would load allowing access to the game.
It's a good idea for CCP to do survey's but they need to be implemented in a much more secure way to insure more accurate results. |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1957
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 11:44:00 -
[2629] - Quote
Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying.
"More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 11:47:00 -
[2630] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:
"More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming.
After 120 pages asking for clarification on the future of WiS you respond with that? |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 12:02:00 -
[2631] - Quote
lol maybe CCP Guard has been given the thankless task of going through all the posts in this thread Either way it's good to know they are paying attention, but on the other hand it doesn't look very promising as this shows that they are actively choosing to ignore us. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 12:05:00 -
[2632] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. "More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming.
Sometimes, when i read responses like this from CCP staff, i ask myself... why do i give my money to CCP? |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 12:13:00 -
[2633] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote: Sometimes, when i read responses like this from CCP staff, i ask myself... why do i give my money CCP?
As soon as WiS was canceled, i set myself the task of earning enough isk through passive incomes to pay for my subscription... I was surprised how easy it was
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 13:35:00 -
[2634] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:These forums have gone to ****.
I can't believe the crap that is being permited.
CCP has lost all control of it's game and it's forums.
Obviously.. Because the game is created and ruled by players... And if they try to take it over it will mean RAGE against the CCP. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 14:05:00 -
[2635] - Quote
Methink I saw a blue tag?
(checks checks)
Phew, near miss... that post *almost* was on topic! But our beingignoredess record still lives!
(That was me being sarcastic. I would love, and think that it would be great, if someone eventually answered on topic. I'm sure they can if they try to) EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Grateler
The People's Liberation Front of Offugen
12
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Posted - 2012.01.11 14:11:00 -
[2636] - Quote
In all the time since WiS was announced I have yet to see anyone say exactly what there would be to do that would add anything to the game.
Normally I get mumbles about smuggling, gambling etc, which are minigames at best and so far Ive heard nothing suggested that warranted all of the work involved in getting it workng.
When someone tells me of something interesting that it will do, other than an Eve Ironforge where you /dance I may change my mind, but at the moment see no purpose in it. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 14:27:00 -
[2637] - Quote
Grateler wrote:In all the time since WiS was announced I have yet to see anyone say exactly what there would be to do that would add anything to the game.
Normally I get mumbles about smuggling, gambling etc, which are minigames at best and so far Ive heard nothing suggested that warranted all of the work involved in getting it workng.
When someone tells me of something interesting that it will do, other than an Eve Ironforge where you /dance I may change my mind, but at the moment see no purpose in it.
I think you are confusing players with developers. It is not our job to design the game we play, just complain about it if things don't turn out the way we want.
I could list a bunch of things we could potentially do in WIS but what good would that do?
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 14:29:00 -
[2638] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Grateler wrote:In all the time since WiS was announced I have yet to see anyone say exactly what there would be to do that would add anything to the game.
Normally I get mumbles about smuggling, gambling etc, which are minigames at best and so far Ive heard nothing suggested that warranted all of the work involved in getting it workng.
When someone tells me of something interesting that it will do, other than an Eve Ironforge where you /dance I may change my mind, but at the moment see no purpose in it. I think you are confusing players with developers. It is not our job to design the game we play, just complain about it if things don't turn out the way we want. I could list a bunch of things we could potentially do in WIS but what good would that do?
Not to mention that some of us have been scattering suggestions all over this thread & other ones. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 14:30:00 -
[2639] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Grateler wrote:In all the time since WiS was announced I have yet to see anyone say exactly what there would be to do that would add anything to the game.
Normally I get mumbles about smuggling, gambling etc, which are minigames at best and so far Ive heard nothing suggested that warranted all of the work involved in getting it workng.
When someone tells me of something interesting that it will do, other than an Eve Ironforge where you /dance I may change my mind, but at the moment see no purpose in it. I think you are confusing players with developers. It is not our job to design the game we play, just complain about it if things don't turn out the way we want. I could list a bunch of things we could potentially do in WIS but what good would that do?
Hopefully you do more than just complain, like also give positive recognition for good work.
Referring to the Ambulation video, that was just the first of many steps. WiS could bloom into full fledged game play content over time if given half a chance.
There's been a lot of good ideas for potential new game play content pertaining to WiS posted in this thread. Nothing wrong with that. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 15:00:00 -
[2640] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. "More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming. C'mon man...if you don't have any information that you are able to or allowed to divulge to us on the core issue of this thread then say so. At least a "I am sorry but I have no more information on the future of WiS at this time." is all it would take to keep people from getting annoyed with a reply that really only applies to one comment in a thread over 120 pages long that doesn't even really relate to the topic at hand.
It is nice to know there are more bug fixes and tweaks coming though. I like hearing that info too. You are one of the better devs that actually respond on the forums Guard. Keep up the good work...but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2012.01.11 15:03:00 -
[2641] - Quote
Grateler wrote:In all the time since WiS was announced I have yet to see anyone say exactly what there would be to do that would add anything to the game.
Normally I get mumbles about smuggling, gambling etc, which are minigames at best and so far Ive heard nothing suggested that warranted all of the work involved in getting it workng.
When someone tells me of something interesting that it will do, other than an Eve Ironforge where you /dance I may change my mind, but at the moment see no purpose in it.
everything is an game within game... And everything added is added to the game.. The fact that you and many others dont see it as "needed" "relevant" "improving" is quite frankly irrelevant.
If they add curtains to "THE DOOR" it will be something added to the game.. technically. And the whine about it will be hilarious... People raging about CCP making curtains for "THE DOOR" instead of working on "spaceships" I bet it will hit 450 pages in two days.. Hilarious. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 15:26:00 -
[2642] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Grateler wrote:In all the time since WiS was announced I have yet to see anyone say exactly what there would be to do that would add anything to the game.
Normally I get mumbles about smuggling, gambling etc, which are minigames at best and so far Ive heard nothing suggested that warranted all of the work involved in getting it workng.
When someone tells me of something interesting that it will do, other than an Eve Ironforge where you /dance I may change my mind, but at the moment see no purpose in it. everything is an game within game... And everything added is added to the game.. The fact that you and many others dont see it as "needed" "relevant" "improving" is quite frankly irrelevant. If they add curtains to "THE DOOR" it will be something added to the game.. technically. And the whine about it will be hilarious... People raging about CCP making curtains for "THE DOOR" instead of working on "spaceships" I bet it will hit 450 pages in two days.. Hilarious. Granted the whine about the curtains would probably be a lot less if CCP was more proactive about bug fixes and there were a lot fewer of them in the game but there would still be a lot of whine from idiots that seem to think CCP cannot devote a single Dev to anything other than FiS. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.11 15:30:00 -
[2643] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:After 120 pages asking for clarification on the future of WiS you respond with that?
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Sometimes, when i read responses like this from CCP staff, i ask myself... why do i give my money to CCP?
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible.
Maybe he is trolling you guys. Or, maybe like they have already stated there is no information, because there really aren't any concrete plans they can share yet. Maybe they know anything they say here that isn't in-line with what you guys want to hear is going to be creatively re-interpreted and misconstrued ad-nauseam and twisted around to appear that CCP does not care about you.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Not to mention that some of us have been scattering suggestions all over this thread & other ones.
That's exactly the problem, there is a specific forum area for doing that, and for some reason you and others incorrectly think EVE GD is the correct place. Scattering suggestions all over the place isn't helping you or CCP. If you or anyone else wants things to remain on topic for making WIS feature suggestions, try keeping it all in one thread in the correct forum area. By posting the same stuff here in GD over and over, you are just begging to get trolled over and over. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.11 17:38:00 -
[2644] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. "More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming.
don,t drink too much beer next time and you will see the what this thread is all about.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.11 17:43:00 -
[2645] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
That's exactly the problem, there is a specific forum area for doing that, and for some reason you and others incorrectly think EVE GD is the correct place. Scattering suggestions all over the place isn't helping you or CCP. If you or anyone else wants things to remain on topic for making WIS feature suggestions, try keeping it all in one thread in the correct forum area. By posting the same stuff here in GD over and over, you are just begging to get trolled over and over.
If CCP responded earlier in this thread and with an ontopic reply ,instead RABBLING nontopic stuff
The discussion about WIS and suggestions never existed in this thread. I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.11 19:55:00 -
[2646] - Quote
GD is perfectly fine for this thread. It was originally a thread requesting info on the future of WiS...in discussion ideas were spawned. Nothing wrong with that.
We are generally discussing the general future of WiS while requesting general information. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 20:11:00 -
[2647] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
If CCP responded earlier in this thread and with an ontopic reply ,instead RABBLING nontopic stuff
They did answer you earlier on in this thread, it's several pages in, and has been linked to several times. We all know you don't like the answer because it says they don't know what they are going to do and don't know what the plan is yet. You just don't seem to get it that it might take more than 2 months to come up with something worth talking about that won't get CCP flamed.
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: The discussion about WIS and suggestions never existed in this thread.
This thread is full of players including the OP switching from demanding answers to calling it a feature discussion. As was already admitted, there are pages and pages of feature suggestions, "sprinkled" throughout.
Try to justify this abomination of a troll-bait thread however you wish, it won't change anything other than the level of amusement you are providing others at your own expense and dignity (assuming you have any). The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1957
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Posted - 2012.01.11 20:51:00 -
[2648] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. "More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming. C'mon man...if you don't have any information that you are able to or allowed to divulge to us on the core issue of this thread then say so. At least a "I am sorry but I have no more information on the future of WiS at this time." is all it would take to keep people from getting annoyed with a reply that really only applies to one comment in a thread over 120 pages long that doesn't even really relate to the topic at hand. It is nice to know there are more bug fixes and tweaks coming though. I like hearing that info too. You are one of the better devs that actually respond on the forums Guard. Keep up the good work...but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible.
There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know).
The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities.
So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.11 21:04:00 -
[2649] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. "More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming. C'mon man...if you don't have any information that you are able to or allowed to divulge to us on the core issue of this thread then say so. At least a "I am sorry but I have no more information on the future of WiS at this time." is all it would take to keep people from getting annoyed with a reply that really only applies to one comment in a thread over 120 pages long that doesn't even really relate to the topic at hand. It is nice to know there are more bug fixes and tweaks coming though. I like hearing that info too. You are one of the better devs that actually respond on the forums Guard. Keep up the good work...but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible. There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know). The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities. So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time.
Finally!!!
/me does the CCP finally answered my thread question dance.
Not the answer I had hoped for, but what I expected.
Issler |
Sicex
65
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Posted - 2012.01.11 21:07:00 -
[2650] - Quote
Does this mean that after 123 pages and finally receiving a plain answer from CCP in response to the OP this threadnaught can be locked? |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.11 21:12:00 -
[2651] - Quote
Maybe move it or start a new WiS ideas thread.
(wow, my first threadnaught!)
Thanks for everyone on both sides of the fence that were here for honest debate and not trolling.
Issler |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.11 21:12:00 -
[2652] - Quote
Sicex wrote:Does this mean that after 123 pages and finally receiving a plain answer from CCP in response to the OP this threadnaught can be locked?
One would hope so, but since this latest answer is no different from the original one, I think there are probably still those who will continue to demand another answer anyway.
If the OP requests it, via "report post" it can be locked or moved however.
/in before all the ragequit poasts. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.11 21:12:00 -
[2653] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. "More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming. C'mon man...if you don't have any information that you are able to or allowed to divulge to us on the core issue of this thread then say so. At least a "I am sorry but I have no more information on the future of WiS at this time." is all it would take to keep people from getting annoyed with a reply that really only applies to one comment in a thread over 120 pages long that doesn't even really relate to the topic at hand. It is nice to know there are more bug fixes and tweaks coming though. I like hearing that info too. You are one of the better devs that actually respond on the forums Guard. Keep up the good work...but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible. There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know). The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities. So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time.
Well, we certainly would had saved a lot of posting if that same words had been said on October 27th.
And i would had saved myself 80+ euros (6 months of suscrption for my alt). And a PLEX i bought for this account, my main for the last 3 years.
Because without WiS, and without new solo gameplay, and without new casual gameplay, and without new hisec gameplay, and without an affordable NEx, I just can't interest myself into the gameplay that has failed to interest me for three years... nullsec chore gameplay. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
511
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Posted - 2012.01.11 21:13:00 -
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There shall be no lock. Let my threadnaught go freeee. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.11 21:20:00 -
[2655] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:
There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know).
The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities.
So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time.
So war, more PvP focus, how many years do we have to go till industrialists and miners get some love?? Mining is core. Manufacuring is core. Trading is core. PvE is core. Yet somehow core always seems to mean direct ship to ship PvP to CCP these days.
CCP, you are listening to the minority of whiny shouters again and the future of your game is in peril.
Issler |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.11 21:23:00 -
[2656] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. "More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming. C'mon man...if you don't have any information that you are able to or allowed to divulge to us on the core issue of this thread then say so. At least a "I am sorry but I have no more information on the future of WiS at this time." is all it would take to keep people from getting annoyed with a reply that really only applies to one comment in a thread over 120 pages long that doesn't even really relate to the topic at hand. It is nice to know there are more bug fixes and tweaks coming though. I like hearing that info too. You are one of the better devs that actually respond on the forums Guard. Keep up the good work...but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible. There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know). The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities. So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time. Thank you very much Guard. While this is pretty much what I expected I believe this is the answer needed to satisfy us in this thread.
No new decision made on the future of WiS. Not permanantly dropped but no current plans for it. Plans for next expansion are war themed. Very plain and understandable.
Thank you again Guard.
No reason to lock the thread. If people want to keep discussing WiS stuff in it then they should be able to. Unless you want another WiS thread opened up in it's place Sicex? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
628
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Posted - 2012.01.11 21:45:00 -
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Well I'd say that looks like an invitation to come up with juicy ideas to make a compelling reason for iterating on WiS. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:10:00 -
[2658] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote: There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know).
The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities.
So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time.
Finally, something.
So it turns out getting an answer from CCP is as simple as making a 120 page threadnaught on a topic Hooray for the 'new' CCP.
It's also important to point out that appealing to the CSM to seek clarification on our behalf did not work. Why do we have the CSM again if not to represent player concerns? Oh that's right, it's about null sec interests. Hooray for the CSM.
It's no wonder players focus on the forums to voice their concerns. What other avenues do we have, really? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:12:00 -
[2659] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote: There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know).
The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities.
So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time.
Thanks for finally responding to this thread Guard.
It's great that you are committing to fixing/improving the core gameplay because lots of the older players have been asking for you to do this for years but were ignored. I hope that this time you guys can keep your promise and get things right but only time will tell.
I only ask that you spare a thought for some of the younger players like me who were suckered into this game by the promise of incarna as well as the vets that put up with all the problems in this game because they thought you were doing something interesting. We put our faith in your vision of creating the ultimate scfi game but sadly you guys did not deliver. Please don't let this be yet another feature of eve that feel unfinished and pointless.
With regards to your future plans for WIS, i request that you start small but lay the ground work to turn incarna into a fully fledged RPG.
Good luck o/ |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:26:00 -
[2660] - Quote
Oh Well, I guess it's up to another company to pull off a propper FULL sci-fi sim.
Can you atleast add a /dance emote? So I can crank Billy Idol in my CQ. |
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Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:42:00 -
[2661] - Quote
"CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS! "
Please clarify the future plans for WiS!
future plans for WiS!
...
No future plans for WiS were clarified, "we don't have one" does not count as a plan. The thread must go on. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:50:00 -
[2662] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:"CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS! "
Please clarify the future plans for WiS!
future plans for WiS!
...
No future plans for WiS were clarified, "we don't have one" does not count as a plan. The thread must go on.
It's a good enough answer for me. I'm going to let my subscription lapse and go play another game until CCP actually delivers something that interests me.
Apparently there is a robot game out there where the developers actually deliver what they say they are going to deliver, when they say they are going to do so (how weird is that?) I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:56:00 -
[2663] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:"CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS! "
Please clarify the future plans for WiS!
future plans for WiS!
...
No future plans for WiS were clarified, "we don't have one" does not count as a plan. The thread must go on. It's a good enough answer for me. I'm going to let my subscription lapse and go play another game until CCP actually delivers something that interests me. Apparently there is a robot game out there where the developers actually deliver what they say they are going to deliver, when they say they are going to do so (how weird is that?) Robot game? Rock em' Sock em' Robots?
If you mean the robot game I think you mean...I feel for you. That game sucks. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:59:00 -
[2664] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
If you mean the robot game I think you mean...I feel for you. That game sucks.
I find it fun, and it reminds me of how EVE used to be. You know, back when the game was still vast and full of potential, CCPs word actually meant something, and the 'Soon'(tm) meme was yet to be invented.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
387
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:09:00 -
[2665] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Well, we certainly would had saved a lot of posting if that same words had been said on October 27th. And i would had saved myself 80+ euros (6 months of suscrption for my alt). And a PLEX i bought for this account, my main for the last 3 years. Because without WiS, and without new solo gameplay, and without new casual gameplay, and without new hisec gameplay, and without an affordable NEx, I just can't interest myself into the gameplay that has failed to interest me for three years... nullsec chore gameplay.
CCP has no interest at having you not spend 80+ euros on their game.
Also, if you played for 3 years you should know how they deal with new features (see FW, PI...): big fuss, Fanfest shows with huge effects that leave to intend thay will change the gaming world, then they get delivered half done and let to rot.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:19:00 -
[2666] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Also, if you played for 3 years you should know how they deal with new features (see FW, PI...): big fuss, Fanfest shows with huge effects that leave to intend thay will change the gaming world, then they get delivered half done and let to rot.
Quoted as the sad truth.
This fanfest may be a make or break for a lot of people. If CCP get on the stage, and make all sorts of promises (again) and don't deliver (again), I don't think many people will put up with it.
The main thing that I really hate about what CCP has done, is that it's turning me into yet another bitter vet, and I used to love this game. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:52:00 -
[2667] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. "More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming. C'mon man...if you don't have any information that you are able to or allowed to divulge to us on the core issue of this thread then say so. At least a "I am sorry but I have no more information on the future of WiS at this time." is all it would take to keep people from getting annoyed with a reply that really only applies to one comment in a thread over 120 pages long that doesn't even really relate to the topic at hand. It is nice to know there are more bug fixes and tweaks coming though. I like hearing that info too. You are one of the better devs that actually respond on the forums Guard. Keep up the good work...but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible. There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know). The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities. So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time.
Finally, thank you Guard Answer as expected it seems hard for CCP to make decisions ,about their own product. Do i like the answer ? no of course not,but it seems we have to deal with this.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.01.12 02:06:00 -
[2668] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote: We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things.
I guess the same but less verbose answer provided on October 15, 2011, on page 12 of this thread shows that the latest answer will be forgotten in a few pages and the cybering mafia will continue to beotch and moan about being ignored by CCP. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.12 02:27:00 -
[2669] - Quote
Razin wrote:CCP Phantom wrote: We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things.
I guess the same but less verbose answer provided on October 15, 2011, on page 12 of this thread shows that the latest answer will be forgotten in a few pages and the cybering mafia will continue to beotch and moan about being ignored by CCP.
Nah. I just think people are going to stop giving a s**t about this game and find something else to play. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.01.12 02:38:00 -
[2670] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Razin wrote:CCP Phantom wrote: We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things.
I guess the same but less verbose answer provided on October 15, 2011, on page 12 of this thread shows that the latest answer will be forgotten in a few pages and the cybering mafia will continue to beotch and moan about being ignored by CCP. Nah. I just think people are going to stop giving a s**t about this game and find something else to play. Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out. |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.12 02:41:00 -
[2671] - Quote
Razin wrote: Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.
Impossible, because the door won't open for the next 2 years. Ha! I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.12 05:20:00 -
[2672] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Not to mention that some of us have been scattering suggestions all over this thread & other ones. That's exactly the problem, there is a specific forum area for doing that, and for some reason you and others incorrectly think EVE GD is the correct place. Scattering suggestions all over the place isn't helping you or CCP. If you or anyone else wants things to remain on topic for making WIS feature suggestions, try keeping it all in one thread in the correct forum area. By posting the same stuff here in GD over and over, you are just begging to get trolled over and over.
Actually the same can be said about you and all the other Anti-WiS posters in this thread. This thread was originally made to show support for continued WiS development and to get clarification on future plans. Nowhere did it say in the OP - let's have a discussion whether WiS should or should not be a part of Eve. Players that are not in favor of WiS content shouldn't have posted in this thread.
Doc Fury wrote:This thread is full of players including the OP switching from demanding answers to calling it a feature discussion. As was already admitted, there are pages and pages of feature suggestions, "sprinkled" throughout.
Try to justify this abomination of a troll-bait thread however you wish, it won't change anything other than the level of amusement you are providing others at your own expense and dignity (assuming you have any).
The only abomination I see here is you trying to justify the posting of off topic troll remarks intended to berate and insult others while trying to derail this thread. This is one of the major problems that has been plaguing these forums for a long time and over time will eventually lead to the downfall of this game.
CCP Guard wrote:There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know).
The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities.
So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time.
Nice politically correct answer, doesn't divulge any new information and just reaffirms what everyone already knows. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.12 06:16:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: irrelevant stuff.
This thread was never really about showing support it was about demanding immediate answers from CCP.. The thread title was even changed by the OP recently when it was pointed out repeatedly that CCP already answered the question. The minute this thread was posted in GD, it was fair game for everybody.
Had you read any of my earlier posts you would know I am not anti-WIS but I am definitely against pro-WIS players whining repeatedly for answers when they have already been provided. If anything, I have tried to get you to post in the appropriate forum areas where you would not get trolled.
Sometimes someone has to be the messenger when common sense is being clouded by hysteria.
CCP promises a lot of stuff. Sometimes they make good on their promises, sometimes they don't because they often try to do things that are not possible within a time-frame that meets general player expectations. If you have been playing for more than a couple of years, you probably already knew this. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.12 16:42:00 -
[2674] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: irrelevant stuff. This thread was never really about showing support it was about demanding immediate answers from CCP.. The thread title was even changed by the OP recently when it was pointed out repeatedly that CCP already answered the question. The minute this thread was posted in GD, it was fair game for everybody. Had you read any of my earlier posts you would know I am not anti-WIS but I am definitely against pro-WIS players whining repeatedly for answers when they have already been provided. If anything, I have tried to get you to post in the appropriate forum areas where you would not get trolled. Sometimes someone has to be the messenger when common sense is being clouded by hysteria. CCP promises a lot of stuff. Sometimes they make good on their promises, sometimes they don't because they often try to do things that are not possible within a time-frame that meets general player expectations. If you have been playing for more than a couple of years, you probably already knew this.
So if we had posted in those forums ,we had a reply from CCP within 1 day,1 week ,1 month or never?
So tell me what is allowed to be discussed in general discussion according to somebody who thinks ,he has common sense I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1957
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:13:00 -
[2675] - Quote
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.
I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.
The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)
Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.
If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1040
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:19:00 -
[2676] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me
I like what you say... now have some pizza :)
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:26:00 -
[2677] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me
thank you Guard
working on stuff that is already there,can,t hurt the important FISpart of this game
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:35:00 -
[2678] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me WiS is the new COSMOS, thanks for the clarification. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:49:00 -
[2679] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
So if we had posted in those forums ,we had a reply from CCP within 1 day,1 week ,1 month or never?
That's completely up to CCP and you know it. It also depends on what you are posting. Honey catches more flies then vinegar obviously. Crying and stamping your feet and making threats as a mob would discourage anyone in authority from trying to make appeasement. This applies to both sides of this issue.
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: So tell me what is allowed to be discussed in general discussion according to somebody who thinks ,he has common sense
When you want to suggest features with the intention of CCP seeing and possibly acting on them, that's exactly why they setup a Feature and Ideas forum area so they don't have to try to pick though posts sprinkled through various threads. When you want to complain about being ignored by CCP or similar, and you don't want to get trolled/flamed and etc, it's best if you take that to the CSM in the forum specifically setup for that purpose. While you might think the CSM is pointless or that they have a differing agenda than you, if you don't use the avenues CCP provides for player feedback and representation, you are just derailing the process and leaving everything up to the CSM without them hearing and/or addressing your feedback. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:55:00 -
[2680] - Quote
YAY
(it's not dead) |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.12 18:00:00 -
[2681] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
So if we had posted in those forums ,we had a reply from CCP within 1 day,1 week ,1 month or never?
That's completely up to CCP and you know it. It also depends on what you are posting. Honey catches more flies then vinegar obviously. Crying and stamping your feet and making threats as a mob would discourage anyone in authority from trying to make appeasement. This applies to both sides of this issue.
ii like honey
Doc Fury wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
So tell me what is allowed to be discussed in general discussion according to somebody who thinks ,he has common sense
When you want to suggest features with the intention of CCP seeing and possibly acting on them, that's exactly why they setup a Feature and Ideas forum area so they don't have to try to pick though posts sprinkled through various threads. When you want to complain about being ignored by CCP or similar, and you don't want to get trolled/flamed and etc, it's best if you take that to the CSM in the forum specifically setup for that purpose. While you might think the CSM is pointless or that they have a differing agenda than you, if you don't use the avenues CCP provides for player feedback and representation, you are just derailing the process and leaving everything up to the CSM without them hearing and/or addressing your feedback.
didn,t answer my question I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
173
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Posted - 2012.01.12 18:44:00 -
[2682] - Quote
WiS will stay as a mistake until you give us multiplayer environnement, don't forget that. until we have gameplay for it, and so a reason to use incarna and not the hangar view, nothing will change
switching back to spaceships is good, to make us forget your mistake, but if you can finish the incarna feature, it will also works as an apology. (but well be sure to have it FINISHED :P)
however, if you have to be careful about ressources used on the devteams, the more you talk about it will be the better, as for any stuff ;) |
Jarnis McPieksu
364
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Posted - 2012.01.12 18:57:00 -
[2683] - Quote
WiS so far was a good tech framework.
It completely lacked gameplay. There was no reason for the captain's closet to exist in gameplay terms.
If you never get to add gameplay to it (and no, playing dress-up with microtransaction clothes is not "gameplay"), it will all be just another COSMOS. Heck, it will be worse than that. At least COSMOS has the functionality of allowing you to gain some standings and some unique junk mods while doing some unique missions.
I fully agree putting the main weight of :effort: behind spaceships because that's where EVE gameplay lies, but it would be terrible waste of all this current WiS code and assets if it is never put to use in gameplay.
Gameplay.
Look it up. Reason for people to walk around in a station. It obviously can't be absolutely mandatory, but you have already expanded EVE sideways with things like PI or Rigs/Salvage - additional bits of gameplay that expand what players can do in the game to gain ISK or items or other assets.
WiS needs something that would give it a reason to exist. I don't say I have the answers or ideas what that may be, but I would imagine you had some ideas before you started building this complex character modeling and rendering code, no? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.12 19:24:00 -
[2684] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me
I told you so!
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.12 19:30:00 -
[2685] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Thanks Guard, that is at least something. Now we know a bit better were WiS stands and what we can expect. I hope you read this thread, even a bit, because it gives a good overview of expectations and constructive criticism regarding its implementation (if you ignore the many troll posts).
@trolls: Looks like you didn't "won" as you stated , too bad... |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.01.12 19:30:00 -
[2686] - Quote
/me tries his hand at tl;dr CCP Guard's message...
We have some left-over stuff we're releasing soon (tm).
Everything we mentioned in the past is scrapped.
While someone works on WIS, there is no time frame, much less further information.
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Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2012.01.12 20:19:00 -
[2687] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me
So much appreciated!
Good to know that you're wiping the Incarna/NeX fail way and moving to a new direction, maybe something more like what we saw in that Fanfest about WiS.
We don't care how much development time it will take as long as it's well made (finished, of course) and without facestabbing people who actually pays for EVE Online.
Again, thanks for the answer. Was that difficult until now? |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.12 20:26:00 -
[2688] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me
Thanks Guard
That is all we wanted to hear from the get go.
If in the coming months leading up to the materialization of said goodies, you could give us a conceptual time line of things to come and when we might expect to see or hear more about those things, then I will have your children. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.12 22:02:00 -
[2689] - Quote
Here is what I consider CCP should be aiming to deliver in the next 12 months for Incarna - The mentioned decorative items - Customisable CQ - Item interactions and emotes - The ability to invite another player into your CQ
That at least would be a good indication that work continues in the proper direction. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.12 22:34:00 -
[2690] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me
TL;DR version...
WIS/incarna will not be expanded on with any meaningfull content any time soon. We may turn it in to what you want it to be and we may not (such is the nature of development) but just incase, keep subscribing because we need your money.
End
That about some it up?
My advice to everyone is to forget about WIS and ignore any future plans/promises CCP make because we could be waiting another 4 years for that door to open. Just judge the game on what's on the server. |
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Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.12 22:57:00 -
[2691] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:That is all we wanted to hear from the get go.
I fail to see how this is really that much different to what CCP Guard said before. Or from what Hilmar said before! It's gone from "On ice for a bit" to "We don't have a concrete timeline" to "We may release something that is almost finished, but we don't have a concrete timeline".
****, but you people have problems if something that has been said before placates you like that.
Just roll over and have his children already.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.13 00:54:00 -
[2692] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:That is all we wanted to hear from the get go. I fail to see how this is really that much different to what CCP Guard said before. Or from what Hilmar said before! It's gone from " On ice for a bit" to " We don't have a concrete timeline" to " We may release something that is almost finished, but we don't have a concrete timeline". ****, but you people have problems if something that has been said before placates you like that. Just roll over and have his children already.
Obviously you haven't been keeping track of things that well then.
Your trolling needs work. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:08:00 -
[2693] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Obviously you haven't been keeping track of things that well then.
I've been following the direct dev / CCP communications. They are of more interest than a 125 page circle-jerk of dissatisfied, semi-emo capsuleers.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:10:00 -
[2694] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Flamespar wrote:Obviously you haven't been keeping track of things that well then. I've been following the direct dev / CCP communications. They are of more interest than a 125 page circle-jerk of dissatisfied, semi-emo capsuleers.
And yet here you are. 'Jerking' it with the rest of us.
Keep trying. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:20:00 -
[2695] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Flamespar wrote:Obviously you haven't been keeping track of things that well then. I've been following the direct dev / CCP communications. They are of more interest than a 125 page circle-jerk of dissatisfied, semi-emo capsuleers. And yet here you are. 'Jerking' it with the rest of us. Keep trying.
Your trolling skills are about as poor as your reading skills. Still. I'll give you a -1/10 for effort, how's that? |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:29:00 -
[2696] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote: Your trolling skills are about as poor as your reading skills. Still. I'll give you a -1/10 for effort, how's that?
Still needs work since you cannot divide a positive number by a negative number. 0/10 would have been sufficient. Or a 'F', or even a frowny face.
Alternatively, you could post a video of you spinning your ship in a blind rage. Or a video of you spinning in your chair, in real life, yelling loudly about how much fun you're having. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:31:00 -
[2697] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Alternatively, you could post a video of you spinning your ship in a blind rage. Or a video of you spinning in your chair, in real life, yelling loudly about how much fun you're having.
Why would I do that? In case you've missed it, I'm a fan of WiS, because it builds on the concept of an EVE Universe. (Like Dust, a potential RTS style addition to PI / Dust, etc.)
You must have me confused with somebody else?
It's okay though. Your replies in this thread haven't given me much confidence in your cognitive skills.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:34:00 -
[2698] - Quote
Lol. Fair enough, you win. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:36:00 -
[2699] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Lol. Fair enough, you win.
No, no. You win. Really.
Edit: Honestly, my earlier reply was just amazement at how quickly some of the vehement supporters backed off when CCP made a statement that was very similar to their previous communications. What happened to the fortitude of pushing through for a change that is wanted? Getting firm dates and details? Those sorts of things. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.13 02:32:00 -
[2700] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Flamespar wrote:Lol. Fair enough, you win. No, no. You win. Really. Edit:Honestly, my earlier reply was just amazement at how quickly some of the vehement supporters backed off when CCP made a statement that was very similar to their previous communications. What happened to the fortitude of pushing through for a change that is wanted? Getting firm dates and details? Those sorts of things.
its better ,then we don,t know nothing
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me
highlighted some parts ,why it is more then "we know nothing,no info" sure ,we have to wait and see ,what CCP is gonna do, but its enough for me for now I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:02:00 -
[2701] - Quote
CCP Guard's response is still pretty vague (not his fault). Something may happen with WiS, something may not. Who knows? Who cares?
I can't speak for others, but I'm over the uncertainty and evasiveness from CCP, which is why I'm going to go play Perpetuum for a while. I really can't be ****** trying to get a straight answer from CCP. Or ask the CSM for support (which was done too, and they didn't bother discussing our concerns at the summit).
Like others I got seduced by the lies CCP told about WiS, which kept me playing for years after I got bored, as I was looking forward to the vision they promised. Yeah I know, stupid me.
What would it take to bring me back? CCP commiting to include something in the next expansion to show that they haven't abandoned WiS. Even something minor will do. Allow players to invite others over to their CQ so we can at least see that multi player environments are actually even possible in EVE. I don't know. CCP you need to show some respect for those players who brought into your dream of a full featured sci fi sim and supported you over the years.
Throw us a fricken bone CCP. One with meat on it this time. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:55:00 -
[2702] - Quote
That's not the right attitude to have at this time. The last thing this game needs is to have another mass exodus of players. We need to continue showing our support for development of WiS game play content. This is best done with patience, staying subbed and continuing to voice our expectations and dreams for future WiS game play content while allowing CCP time to fully develop it without being rushed.
Change takes time and within time that change will happen. It has taken Eve years to evolve into the current game play options and it'll take a few more years for it to evolve into the next stage of game play options. Right now CCP is trying to recover and stand back up after being knocked down by the disastrous events that happened last year.
I for one will continue to fight the good fight by staying subbed and actively voicing my support for development of WiS game play options. I encourage and implore other players who share the same vision to please do the same. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:02:00 -
[2703] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:That's not the right attitude to have at this time. The last thing this game needs is to have another mass exodus of players. We need to continue showing our support for development of WiS game play content. This is best done with patience, staying subbed and continuing to voice our expectations and dreams for future WiS game play content while allowing CCP time to fully develop it without being rushed.
Lol. Usually I'm the one to overstate my importance.
I'm just one player, though if the rest of you want to follow me to the promised lands of Perpetuum, I'm ok with that. (checks NeX store for Jesus robes)
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:03:00 -
[2704] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:That's not the right attitude to have at this time. The last thing this game needs is to have another mass exodus of players. We need to continue showing our support for development of WiS game play content. This is best done with patience, staying subbed and continuing to voice our expectations and dreams for future WiS game play content while allowing CCP time to fully develop it without being rushed.
Change takes time and within time that change will happen. It has taken Eve years to evolve into the current game play options and it'll take a few more years for it to evolve into the next stage of game play options. Right now CCP is trying to recover and stand back up after being knocked down by the disastrous events that happened last year.
I for one will continue to fight the good fight by staying subbed and actively voicing my support for development of WiS game play options. I encourage and implore other players who share the same vision to please do the same.
I do have a silly prejudice against paying for not playing...
Seriously, for the last two months i've been shifting skillqueues and redoing my avatars, hoping for something worth grinding for (NEx store?), or maybe a hint that i'll be getting new gameplay anytime (something for casual soloers, mostly). Fixing whatever nullsec whiners whine about is not really worth a subscription; i will not pay so others have their fun while i am stuck with pretty muh the same content that interested me for three years but not any longer. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:24:00 -
[2705] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:highlighted some parts ,why it is more then "we know nothing,no info" sure ,we have to wait and see ,what CCP is gonna do, but its enough for me for now
It is really not that dissimilar to what has been said before. |
PinkKnife
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
71
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Posted - 2012.01.13 09:54:00 -
[2706] - Quote
So WIS isn't dead, it's on life support. Gee, thanks CCP.
I'm so glad you spent all that time/effort/money trying to bring Wis to life, only to have it breath a quick gasp of life, cough, and then lapse into a diabetic coma while vomiting on itself.
If you're going to play Dr.Frankenstein, at least get the monster alive before you try and kill it with fire. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.01.13 09:58:00 -
[2707] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: i will not pay so others have their fun while i am stuck with pretty muh the same content that interested me for three years but not any longer.
time to unsub so, EVE is sand box, you make of it what you will. you have a limited imagination, this is not the other players fault.
also,, you are paying so you can play,, not so others can.
go have a read of the amount of content the game has seen come into it over the last 3 years.
undock dude, leave the system you hang around in, do something beyond what you do already.
if you are still bored, back to what i said at the start, time to unsub so. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.13 10:03:00 -
[2708] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:That is all we wanted to hear from the get go. I fail to see how this is really that much different to what CCP Guard said before. Or from what Hilmar said before! It's gone from " On ice for a bit" to " We don't have a concrete timeline" to " We may release something that is almost finished, but we don't have a concrete timeline". ****, but you people have problems if something that has been said before placates you like that. Just roll over and have his children already.
Sigh.
In not so many words:
Guards first response indicated WiS is on ice and we should deal with it by giving people our stuffs if we didn't like that.
His 2nd response indicated they have not only put WiS on ice, but are now open to changing their approach and plans for WiS to conform more to our expectations while it is on ice. This gives us wiggle room to put forth meaningful suggestions regarding content and tie ins to FiS, W-0P, PI and Dust, and CCP enough time to design, develop, test and implement it.
No time-frame was given, but I'm perfectly fine with this considering this breathing room we've been granted and the liberties we will be taking to open CCP's eyes regarding our desires for WiS in the future. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.13 11:15:00 -
[2709] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:[quote=DeMichael Crimson] i will not pay so others have their fun while i am stuck with pretty muh the same content that interested me for three years but not any longer. Please remove my name from that quote, I never made that statement and at a glance it looks like I was the one who made that statement. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.13 14:07:00 -
[2710] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:[quote=DeMichael Crimson] i will not pay so others have their fun while i am stuck with pretty muh the same content that interested me for three years but not any longer. time to unsub so, EVE is sand box, you make of it what you will. you have a limited imagination, this is not the other players fault. also,, you are paying so you can play,, not so others can. go have a read of the amount of content the game has seen come into it over the last 3 years. undock dude, leave the system you hang around in, do something beyond what you do already. if you are still bored, back to what i said at the start, time to unsub so.
Imagination? You should try to read this thread, and let's see how well CCP meets the imagination of its players...
Also, every sandbox allows you to do everything that is allowed by the rules and the sand someone puts in it. And guess what? I don't like the sand that is supposed to keep me interested and subbed (nullsec, griefing, PvP... bleah), and also the rules don't allow me to do as my imagination goes (FAI, bountyhunters with a license to biomass offenders... now that would clean up EVE of griefers... ).
Oh, wait a minute: maybe you mean that I must use my imagination to see how I can get fun from within EVE's limitations? Already did so for three years. Now it is not fun anymore. And CCP is going to spend the year doing the same as with Crucible, which meant zero gameplay (= zero extra fun) for people like me.
With zero extra fun, I am going to pay zero extra euros. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
275
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Posted - 2012.01.13 14:14:00 -
[2711] - Quote
What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.13 14:29:00 -
[2712] - Quote
Roime wrote:What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
Thats because PvE = players playing with NPCs.
And there is more possibilities with PvP where the emphasis is not killing each other. Stimulate inter-player content from an economical or social perspective, without the need for weapons. |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.13 14:42:00 -
[2713] - Quote
I hope CCP are planning on implementing sandbox elements of WiS. But I wouldn't be surprised if we get scripted PVE Incarna environments and more NeX. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.13 14:48:00 -
[2714] - Quote
Roime wrote:What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
Look at the topic of this thread. See much PvE in it? There you have your answer. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
275
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Posted - 2012.01.13 14:48:00 -
[2715] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:[quote=Roime]What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce? Stimulate inter-player content from an economical or social perspective, without the need for weapons.
While you can already combine forces with those who are more eager for combat, I see your point and it tickles the imagination.
Yeah, there is probably a lot of unexplored potential in the non-combat side of Eve universe. More stuff to do with planets, stations etc.
Still I don't feel like Crucible was lacking in content. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
275
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Posted - 2012.01.13 14:52:00 -
[2716] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Roime wrote:What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
Look at the topic of this thread. See much PvE in it? There you have your answer.
So instead of answering with your wishes and dreams, you vaguely point me to a simple question directed at the devs, that has already been answered as well?
(as a disclaimer, I think I've already commented in this thread that WiS is interesting and I hope to experience it one day, I'm not anti-wis or pro-fis or such) |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.13 14:53:00 -
[2717] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Roime wrote:What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
Thats because PvE = players playing with NPCs. And there is more possibilities with PvP where the emphasis is not killing each other. Stimulate inter-player content from an economical or social perspective, without the need for weapons.
PaP, Players along Players, is full of possibilities, many more than PgP (Players griefing Players). WiS could be a griefing free activity while leaving the whole bloody rest of the game open to the unconsequential griefing that it's the trademark for EVE. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.13 14:58:00 -
[2718] - Quote
Roime wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Roime wrote:What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
Look at the topic of this thread. See much PvE in it? There you have your answer. So instead of answering with your wishes and dreams, you vaguely point me to a simple question directed at the devs, that has already been answered as well? (as a disclaimer, I think I've already commented in this thread that WiS is interesting and I hope to experience it one day, I'm not anti-wis or pro-fis or such)
Why are you so interested with me? What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
275
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Posted - 2012.01.13 15:00:00 -
[2719] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:PaP, Players along Players, is full of possibilities, many more than PgP (Players griefing Players). WiS could be a griefing free activity while leaving the whole bloody rest of the game open to the unconsequential griefing that it's the trademark for EVE.
I don't really agree with griefing being a trademark of EVE, does such thing even happen? Some players prey on the herbivores, but that is vital for the balance of an ecosystem like New Eden.
I think the trademark of EVE is freedom- success is up to every player.
Quote:Why are you so interested with me?
I'm interested in your opinions for the sake of discussion. |
Strike Severasse
13
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Posted - 2012.01.13 15:32:00 -
[2720] - Quote
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:WiS so far was a good tech framework. It completely lacked gameplay. There was no reason for the captain's closet to exist in gameplay terms. ...
Yes to WIS and with some gameplay!!
I was actually looking forward to WiS, interaction, yes.... then we got sitting alone in a CQ.... a useless waste of time and resources. Dont launch a feature without a reason to use it. Eve is not about looking at ourselves in a mirror... NOPE.
Gameplay ideas.. all to many
- look outside the station for station campers - common lounge for when not flying.... easier to talk to corp members (yeah add some stats, relevant kill-boards, news etc) - POS management should be done in the POS
** Keep it simple so more development time is spent on FiS.. and if its not gameplay related, then don't even bother with any time.
like 90% FIS, 10% WiS
Check out Prime Explorations Corp Get some game back in the game. Do some DEDs, Anomolies, Exploration, something fun again! -áSomething with risk again. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.01.13 16:45:00 -
[2721] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:[quote=DeMichael Crimson] i will not pay so others have their fun while i am stuck with pretty muh the same content that interested me for three years but not any longer. time to unsub so, EVE is sand box, you make of it what you will. you have a limited imagination, this is not the other players fault. also,, you are paying so you can play,, not so others can. go have a read of the amount of content the game has seen come into it over the last 3 years. undock dude, leave the system you hang around in, do something beyond what you do already. if you are still bored, back to what i said at the start, time to unsub so. Imagination? You should try to read this thread, and let's see how well CCP meets the imagination of its players... Also, every sandbox allows you to do everything that is allowed by the rules and the sand someone puts in it. And guess what? I don't like the sand that is supposed to keep me interested and subbed (nullsec, griefing, PvP... bleah ), and also the rules don't allow me to do as my imagination goes (FAI, bountyhunters with a license to biomass offenders... now that would clean up EVE of griefers... ). Oh, wait a minute: maybe you mean that I must use my imagination to see how I can get fun from within EVE's limitations? Already did so for three years. Now it is not fun anymore. And CCP is going to spend the year doing the same as with Crucible, which meant zero gameplay (= zero extra fun) for people like me. With zero extra fun, I am going to pay zero extra euros.
i already gave you my answer,, unsub bye bye don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
only an idiot pays for something they don't like. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.13 16:56:00 -
[2722] - Quote
Trust, you appear to be posting in the wrong thread... What point do you wish to make? |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.01.13 16:56:00 -
[2723] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:[quote=DeMichael Crimson] i will not pay so others have their fun while i am stuck with pretty muh the same content that interested me for three years but not any longer. Please remove my name from that quote, I never made that statement and at a glance it looks like I was the one who made that statement.
done ,, sorry for that |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.13 16:56:00 -
[2724] - Quote
well ,the trolls were right about 1 thing:
a lot of proWIS people will not be content with any answer given then WISdevelopment is on full force again
When the fail expansion Incarna came ,it was obvious that WIS had a long way to go ,to be meaningful for this game So we had to be patient anyway
For the people who already loved EVE,but want WIS,we need patience For the people joining EVE only for WIS, be patient or leave
That said ,there is a limit to patience,but i will give it one more try
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.01.13 16:58:00 -
[2725] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Trust, you appear to be posting in the wrong thread... What point do you wish to make?
my point was already made, read back. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.13 17:05:00 -
[2726] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Trust, you appear to be posting in the wrong thread... What point do you wish to make? my point was already made, read back.
Okay my mistake. I agree. if people aren't happy wit what the game is now, they should unsub.
Peace o/
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.01.13 17:09:00 -
[2727] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Roime wrote:What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
Thats because PvE = players playing with NPCs. And there is more possibilities with PvP where the emphasis is not killing each other. Stimulate inter-player content from an economical or social perspective, without the need for weapons. PaP, Players along Players, is full of possibilities, many more than PgP (Players griefing Players). WiS could be a griefing free activity while leaving the whole bloody rest of the game open to the unconsequential griefing that it's the trademark for EVE.
you are dead wrong, EVE is not about unconsequential griefing, among other things EVE is about unconsequential combat.
I'd love to see WiS go further than it has,but here's the part where you and i don't see eye to eye.
i want to be able to walk up to my enemy and sick my laser pistol in his/her face and vapourise their head.
you want a bubble where you can feel all safe, that's just not EVE.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.01.13 17:10:00 -
[2728] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Trust, you appear to be posting in the wrong thread... What point do you wish to make? my point was already made, read back. Okay my mistake. I agree. if people aren't happy wit what the game is now, they should unsub. Peace o/
no offence taken at all.
o/ |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.13 17:23:00 -
[2729] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Roime wrote:What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
Thats because PvE = players playing with NPCs. And there is more possibilities with PvP where the emphasis is not killing each other. Stimulate inter-player content from an economical or social perspective, without the need for weapons. PaP, Players along Players, is full of possibilities, many more than PgP (Players griefing Players). WiS could be a griefing free activity while leaving the whole bloody rest of the game open to the unconsequential griefing that it's the trademark for EVE. you are dead wrong, EVE is not about unconsequential griefing, among other things EVE is about unconsequential combat. I'd love to see WiS go further than it has,but here's the part where you and i don't see eye to eye. i want to be able to walk up to my enemy and sick my laser pistol in his/her face and vapourise their head. you want a bubble where you can feel all safe, that's just not EVE.
There are a lot of safe bubbles in EVE ,they are called Highsec At least pretend to be safe anyway. funny thing is ,that stations are the truly safe spot in EVE right now. Maybe WIS could change that a little bit.
0.0 space = only safe place in a station is your CQ Low = a few safespots in station and it takes a long time Station Security will intervene High = Safe but a slight change to be stationganked (1 problem what are the penalty's for stationganking)
edit : wishfull thinking of me again ,sorry for that I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.01.13 17:35:00 -
[2730] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Roime wrote:What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
Thats because PvE = players playing with NPCs. And there is more possibilities with PvP where the emphasis is not killing each other. Stimulate inter-player content from an economical or social perspective, without the need for weapons. PaP, Players along Players, is full of possibilities, many more than PgP (Players griefing Players). WiS could be a griefing free activity while leaving the whole bloody rest of the game open to the unconsequential griefing that it's the trademark for EVE. you are dead wrong, EVE is not about unconsequential griefing, among other things EVE is about unconsequential combat. I'd love to see WiS go further than it has,but here's the part where you and i don't see eye to eye. i want to be able to walk up to my enemy and sick my laser pistol in his/her face and vapourise their head. you want a bubble where you can feel all safe, that's just not EVE. There are a lot of safe bubbles in EVE ,they are called Highsec At least pretend to be safe anyway. funny thing is ,that stations are the truly safe spot in EVE right now. Maybe WIS could change that a little bit. 0.0 space = only safe place in a station is your CQ Low = a few safespots in station and it takes a long time Station Security will intervene High = Safe but a slight change to be stationganked (1 problem what are the penalty's for stationganking) edit : wishfull thinking of me again ,sorry for that
i'd be more open to this
0.0 = no safe place, you can bribe the station commander to give you access to someones CQ. (price set by the station holders)
low = no safe place on station except CQ bribe allowed only if you have kill rights.
high = no safe place on station except CQ, bribe allowed only if you are at war or have kill rights.
price to bribe should be around 100 million ISK perhaps ?
i know it's not a perfect idea, sure all someone has to do to aviod this is stay in ship. |
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Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:23:00 -
[2731] - Quote
Why would there be any incentive to go into the station if you knew you would be killed immediately? Those stations where this could happen would just be Call of Duty style arenas. If that's what you're asking for, ok. But don't think that players are just going to be standing around gambling or whatever, waiting for you to kill them. |
Nyssa Litari
Doomheim
36
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:47:00 -
[2732] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: ...what are the penalty's for stationganking...
Immediate clone death at the hands of enforcer droids.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:55:00 -
[2733] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Why would there be any incentive to go into the station if you knew you would be killed immediately? Those stations where this could happen would just be Call of Duty style arenas. If that's what you're asking for, ok. But don't think that players are just going to be standing around gambling or whatever, waiting for you to kill them. Why can't it be just like empire space? Definitely not like CoD and it works.
Incidentally, this would be a great way to finally be able to kick neutrals and reds out of alliance outposts. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:01:00 -
[2734] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Why would there be any incentive to go into the station if you knew you would be killed immediately? Those stations where this could happen would just be Call of Duty style arenas. If that's what you're asking for, ok. But don't think that players are just going to be standing around gambling or whatever, waiting for you to kill them.
look , WIS has to a long road before that is even possible
Highsec lost his all safe place long ago ,its safer but not impossible to kill you
Stations are the true Highsec areas in EVE in HIgh or Lowsec,0.0
Docking means i am away from the ones that want to shoot me between the eyes
lets end the last true highsec in EVE
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:01:00 -
[2735] - Quote
Razin wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Why would there be any incentive to go into the station if you knew you would be killed immediately? Those stations where this could happen would just be Call of Duty style arenas. If that's what you're asking for, ok. But don't think that players are just going to be standing around gambling or whatever, waiting for you to kill them. Why can't it be just like empire space? Definitely not like CoD and it works. Incidentally, this would be a great way to finally be able to kick neutrals and reds out of alliance outposts.
But how do I fit my head to tank someone shooting it from behind with a gun?
In empire space you can still protect yourself to some degree based on your KM value.
In station there would just be billion ISK squishy clones all over the place waiting to be ganked. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:09:00 -
[2736] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Razin wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Why would there be any incentive to go into the station if you knew you would be killed immediately? Those stations where this could happen would just be Call of Duty style arenas. If that's what you're asking for, ok. But don't think that players are just going to be standing around gambling or whatever, waiting for you to kill them. Why can't it be just like empire space? Definitely not like CoD and it works. Incidentally, this would be a great way to finally be able to kick neutrals and reds out of alliance outposts. But how do I fit my head to tank someone shooting it from behind with a gun? In empire space you can still protect yourself to some degree based on your KM value. In station there would just be billion ISK squishy clones all over the place waiting to be ganked. Could go several ways. Self defense skills and implants, body armor, guards, severe penalties for unsanctioned kills (such as instant -10, forced clone relocation, or maybe even incarceration). Lots of options, really. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:14:00 -
[2737] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Roime wrote:What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
Thats because PvE = players playing with NPCs. And there is more possibilities with PvP where the emphasis is not killing each other. Stimulate inter-player content from an economical or social perspective, without the need for weapons. PaP, Players along Players, is full of possibilities, many more than PgP (Players griefing Players). WiS could be a griefing free activity while leaving the whole bloody rest of the game open to the unconsequential griefing that it's the trademark for EVE.
I support this produce and or service. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:16:00 -
[2738] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Razin wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Why would there be any incentive to go into the station if you knew you would be killed immediately? Those stations where this could happen would just be Call of Duty style arenas. If that's what you're asking for, ok. But don't think that players are just going to be standing around gambling or whatever, waiting for you to kill them. Why can't it be just like empire space? Definitely not like CoD and it works. Incidentally, this would be a great way to finally be able to kick neutrals and reds out of alliance outposts. But how do I fit my head to tank someone shooting it from behind with a gun? In empire space you can still protect yourself to some degree based on your KM value. In station there would just be billion ISK squishy clones all over the place waiting to be ganked.
thats why in Highsec you should be safe bc most of the station is secure ,lowsec a lot less, zero has some degree of safespots but hard to find.
Speaking of Zero
Bc DUST will be earlier then EVE WIS content ,maybe hiring some dustbunnies to destroy somebody's ship inside a station the Dustbunnies would have a shiphangar map with tough npc security. The attacked player will be notified of a instation attack on his only means to escape,his ship he got 3 choices :
1: wait until ship slowly is getting destroyed
2: undock and try to stationgame again
3: hire DUSTbunnies for protection
wishfull thinking again
ninja edit : hoping somebody understands what i am saying ,bc expressing myself in English is bad I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:18:00 -
[2739] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Roime wrote:What kind of new gameplay you wish them to introduce?
I personally prefer emergent gameplay, playing with other players and creating my own projects. PvE content is by nature rather boring.
Thats because PvE = players playing with NPCs. And there is more possibilities with PvP where the emphasis is not killing each other. Stimulate inter-player content from an economical or social perspective, without the need for weapons. PaP, Players along Players, is full of possibilities, many more than PgP (Players griefing Players). WiS could be a griefing free activity while leaving the whole bloody rest of the game open to the unconsequential griefing that it's the trademark for EVE. you are dead wrong, EVE is not about unconsequential griefing, among other things EVE is about unconsequential combat. I'd love to see WiS go further than it has,but here's the part where you and i don't see eye to eye. i want to be able to walk up to my enemy and sick my laser pistol in his/her face and vapourise their head. you want a bubble where you can feel all safe, that's just not EVE.
You clearly missed my previous posts regarding safety in WiS.
*EDIT*
For some ideas regarding true non combat based player driven interaction content (with pew pew here and there), check out this topic in F&I and the assembly hall:
PI 2.0 |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.13 20:30:00 -
[2740] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:[quote=DeMichael Crimson] i will not pay so others have their fun while i am stuck with pretty muh the same content that interested me for three years but not any longer. time to unsub so, EVE is sand box, you make of it what you will. you have a limited imagination, this is not the other players fault. also,, you are paying so you can play,, not so others can. go have a read of the amount of content the game has seen come into it over the last 3 years. undock dude, leave the system you hang around in, do something beyond what you do already. if you are still bored, back to what i said at the start, time to unsub so. Imagination? You should try to read this thread, and let's see how well CCP meets the imagination of its players... Also, every sandbox allows you to do everything that is allowed by the rules and the sand someone puts in it. And guess what? I don't like the sand that is supposed to keep me interested and subbed (nullsec, griefing, PvP... bleah ), and also the rules don't allow me to do as my imagination goes (FAI, bountyhunters with a license to biomass offenders... now that would clean up EVE of griefers... ). Oh, wait a minute: maybe you mean that I must use my imagination to see how I can get fun from within EVE's limitations? Already did so for three years. Now it is not fun anymore. And CCP is going to spend the year doing the same as with Crucible, which meant zero gameplay (= zero extra fun) for people like me. With zero extra fun, I am going to pay zero extra euros. i already gave you my answer,, unsub bye bye don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. only an idiot pays for something they don't like.
You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours.
What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.13 21:29:00 -
[2741] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours.
You still strike me as an idiot, and that's just based off your sig. One expansion did nothing for you (which I highly doubt and if it didn't it is likely nobodies fault but your own) so you quit? That's a clear indication of a loser if there ever was one. You won't be missed.
I guess you just can't please em all CCP. Crucible was a great expansion...EvE only gets better with each passing year. I hope EvE survives for a long time to come. I expect to die an old man playing EvE. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.13 21:54:00 -
[2742] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours. You still strike me as an idiot, and that's just based off your sig. One expansion did nothing for you (which I highly doubt and if it didn't it is likely nobodies fault but your own) so you quit? That's a clear indication of a loser if there ever was one. You won't be missed. I guess you just can't please em all CCP. Crucible was a great expansion...EvE only gets better with each passing year. I hope EvE survives for a long time to come. I expect to die an old man playing EvE.
Crucible was an awesome much overdue patch.
Issler |
Zleon Leigh
91
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:12:00 -
[2743] - Quote
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote: So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players?
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work.
Let's see, where do people congregate in "public" for fun or interest?
*gaming tables - slot machines/dice games/card games * video arcades - you name it (Dig Dug Reprised?) *sport events - Wii tennis anyone? *business meetings (an EVE VOIP supportable event) *Paintball! *Feature Movies
I think there are all sorts of microgamesTM that could be embedded in EVE or portal'd through to third party developers - you just need to link the sound so people actually feel like they are there.
That all said - I'm completely against any further WiS development until the EVE bugs and incomplete feature lists are trounced to nothing. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:45:00 -
[2744] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours. You still strike me as an idiot, and that's just based off your sig. One expansion did nothing for you (which I highly doubt and if it didn't it is likely nobodies fault but your own) so you quit? That's a clear indication of a loser if there ever was one. You won't be missed. I guess you just can't please em all CCP. Crucible was a great expansion...EvE only gets better with each passing year. I hope EvE survives for a long time to come. I expect to die an old man playing EvE.
You shouldn't judge people based on insufficent information. But alas!, this is internet and everyone is entitled to imagine he's superior to each other.
Crucible and the plans for 2012 are on top of three years of nothing. What interests me of the game is exactly the same it was in 2008. I have tried many things and none has provided me a reason to keep playing. So I don't play any longer and i don't pay any longer.
And this is CCP's fault as they are forcing people into certain gameplay and ignoring the rest. Being solo sucks. Being causal sucks. Being in hisec sucks. WiS is not in the plans.
What else is left? Mining is a waste of time. PI was a PITA even before POCOs handed out the business to nullsec overlords. PvP is not fun. industry and trade don't interest me. Nullsec is a chore suit to wannabe anonymous serfs. WH... maybe i give that a try if I ever come back.
But the point is, now CCP is listening to nullsec only and ignores everyone else. They think that nullsec is why people should play this game.
So people like me got nothing new to do for 3 years. Nothing new to do with Crucible. Nothing new to do all the whole 2012.
Thus my signature.
And after Fanfest, my alt will be cancelled too in time to expire in late April. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:48:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours. You still strike me as an idiot, and that's just based off your sig. One expansion did nothing for you (which I highly doubt and if it didn't it is likely nobodies fault but your own) so you quit? That's a clear indication of a loser if there ever was one. You won't be missed. I guess you just can't please em all CCP. Crucible was a great expansion...EvE only gets better with each passing year. I hope EvE survives for a long time to come. I expect to die an old man playing EvE. Crucible was an awesome much overdue patch. Issler
But, but, it added content for the Meaningful Ones: griefers (T3 BC) and nullsec overlords (POCOs)!!. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:59:00 -
[2746] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Being solo sucks. Being causal sucks. Being in hisec sucks. WiS is not in the plans.
Sucks for you maybe.
That's the problem with an entitlement mentality. You are so engrossed with what you want and expect, you forget other people might be satisfied even though you are convinced you are somehow in the "majority".
Take a break, and play something else. You don't have to wait until your sub(s) expire to do it. FFS, some of you act like EVE is the only thing going on in your life, and if so.....damn.
Glad to see I wasn't wrong about people still bitching that the answers they got (3x now) were insufficient and are going to continue to complain they are still being ignored.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:08:00 -
[2747] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Being solo sucks. Being causal sucks. Being in hisec sucks. WiS is not in the plans.
Sucks for you maybe. That's the problem with an entitlement mentality. You are so engrossed with what you want and expect, you forget other people might be satisfied even though you are convinced you are somehow in the "majority". Take a break, and play something else. You don't have to wait until your sub(s) expire to do it. FFS, some of you act like EVE is the only thing going on in your life, and if so.....damn. Glad to see I wasn't wrong about people still bitching that the answers they got (3x now) were insufficient and are going to continue to complain they are still being ignored.
Houm, I have been voicing my disappointment and asking for alternatives since the Incarna disaster. You get your timeline wrong. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.01.14 01:59:00 -
[2748] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours. You still strike me as an idiot, and that's just based off your sig. One expansion did nothing for you (which I highly doubt and if it didn't it is likely nobodies fault but your own) so you quit? That's a clear indication of a loser if there ever was one. You won't be missed. I guess you just can't please em all CCP. Crucible was a great expansion...EvE only gets better with each passing year. I hope EvE survives for a long time to come. I expect to die an old man playing EvE. You shouldn't judge people based on insufficent information. But alas!, this is internet and everyone is entitled to imagine he's superior to each other. Crucible and the plans for 2012 are on top of three years of nothing. What interests me of the game is exactly the same it was in 2008. I have tried many things and none has provided me a reason to keep playing. So I don't play any longer and i don't pay any longer. And this is CCP's fault as they are forcing people into certain gameplay and ignoring the rest. Being solo sucks. Being causal sucks. Being in hisec sucks. WiS is not in the plans. What else is left? Mining is a waste of time. PI was a PITA even before POCOs handed out the business to nullsec overlords. PvP is not fun. industry and trade don't interest me. Nullsec is a chore suit to wannabe anonymous serfs. WH... maybe i give that a try if I ever come back. But the point is, now CCP is listening to nullsec only and ignores everyone else. They think that nullsec is why people should play this game. So people like me got nothing new to do for 3 years. Nothing new to do with Crucible. Nothing new to do all the whole 2012. Thus my signature. And after Fanfest, my alt will be cancelled too in time to expire in late April.
i wonder why people like yourself feel the need to whine about why they are now bored with EVE and are leaving or have quit. FFS you've never even flown or worked a WH. we are not the complaints department, petition it. **** off already, we don't need to hear why you are bored or that you are leaving.
btw: i have sigs on, i saw your pityful sig, again, i care NOT that you are leaving, in my eyes, one less whining **** to worry about, you bring nothing to the table except your whining **** attitude. nothing you say or your leaving is changing anything in EVE.
nothing positive about you, now away with you and play WOW, or perhaps SWTOR
i'm sure you'll be back in april for another cry on you alt. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.14 04:54:00 -
[2749] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours. You still strike me as an idiot, and that's just based off your sig. One expansion did nothing for you (which I highly doubt and if it didn't it is likely nobodies fault but your own) so you quit? That's a clear indication of a loser if there ever was one. You won't be missed. I guess you just can't please em all CCP. Crucible was a great expansion...EvE only gets better with each passing year. I hope EvE survives for a long time to come. I expect to die an old man playing EvE. You shouldn't judge people based on insufficent information. But alas!, this is internet and everyone is entitled to imagine he's superior to each other. Crucible and the plans for 2012 are on top of three years of nothing. What interests me of the game is exactly the same it was in 2008. I have tried many things and none has provided me a reason to keep playing. So I don't play any longer and i don't pay any longer. And this is CCP's fault as they are forcing people into certain gameplay and ignoring the rest. Being solo sucks. Being causal sucks. Being in hisec sucks. WiS is not in the plans. What else is left? Mining is a waste of time. PI was a PITA even before POCOs handed out the business to nullsec overlords. PvP is not fun. industry and trade don't interest me. Nullsec is a chore suit to wannabe anonymous serfs. WH... maybe i give that a try if I ever come back. But the point is, now CCP is listening to nullsec only and ignores everyone else. They think that nullsec is why people should play this game. So people like me got nothing new to do for 3 years. Nothing new to do with Crucible. Nothing new to do all the whole 2012. Thus my signature. And after Fanfest, my alt will be cancelled too in time to expire in late April. Doing a personal attack on Ishtanchuk Fazmarai is unwarranted.
I agree with Ishtanchuk Fazmarai on a few topics. Mainly the very first opening sentence. - You shouldn't judge people based on insufficent information. But alas!, this is internet and everyone is entitled to imagine he's superior to each other. -
As for the past 3 years adding no solo game play content, I disagree. Exploration is probably the largest solo game play content that's been added followed next by Epic Arcs.
Also let's not forget about Cosmos missions. Even though it's not new and still requires some work (finish / fix content), it's a nice change of pace compared to regular missions. Cosmos missions have a good storyline plot, give out unique items and the mission sites have excellent eye candy.
Combining Exploration, Epic Arcs and Cosmos missions should provide plenty of solo game play content.
However, I mostly have the same sentiment as Ishtanchuk Fazmarai about Crucible. I too also feel it didn't offer much game play content but I'm not going to rage quit over it.
The majority of content provided in Crucible was mainly bug fixes, visual enhancements and ship balancing which is expected in a patch, not a major expansion. The enhanced graphics (Ship skins, Trails, Nebulas, etc) could also be considered as a fix of sorts, also expected in a patch. Time Dilation is another type of fix which addresses lag in large scale battles and would be expected in a patch.
A couple of Tech 2 modules and Tech 3 ships added to the game is not something I would consider as new game play content. The 3 Racial Captains Quarters was just a variation of existing content already in-game and didn't add any new game play content.
Overall I wasn't really impressed with the expansion but it definitely doesn't provide a reason to quit. There's still lot's of content available for solo game play.
Nobody knows exactly what will be in the next expansion. Hopefully some new game play content will be added and even if it's just more fixes and enhancements, it'll still be good.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
350
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Posted - 2012.01.14 10:11:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:(...) Overall I wasn't really impressed with the expansion but it definitely doesn't provide a reason to quit. There's still lot's of content available for solo game play.
Nobody knows exactly what will be in the next expansion. Hopefully some new game play content will be added and even if it's just more fixes and enhancements, it'll still be good.
For one, I am not ragequitting. There is no "rage" in waiting for 6 months before actually quiting.
The Incarna disaster came in when i already was aware that my last ingame goal (the last one in a series of goals, and certainly not what i had in mind when I created Ishtanchuk) would be finished sometime around August and then i would be essentilaly left without a reason to play. It's January (!!) and i eventually cancelled my subscription after waiting for months wether events took a positive turn or stayed on a course to nowhere.
So i am leaving because i don't have a reason to play. Maybe in the future CCP will do something that interests me, or i may give a try to something i don't consider now, but that's not rage quitting.
Oh, of course i am making a bit of drama about it. First because I feel sad, and second because it's the better carthesian aproach to dealing with an absolute power: Nothing I do will change CCP, but if something had a slight chance to influence, it would be producing written evidence on why CCP should listen to players like me. Because we stop paying them.
And, IMO, CCP is losing much more people who leave in silence out of meaningless to play, than they lost in a ragequit over Incarna. Incarna was an open wound, but the internal hemorhage of people who under no cicrcunstance will move to the nullsec endgame and lack any other endgame keeps going on. Hey, in my opinion. What Crucible made for me: (nothing, null, void, nada) What CCP plans to do for me in 2012: same as above Account expires 14 January 2012 - 3:42 pm.-á
So long CCP, and thanks for all the dry shark. |
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Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.14 11:46:00 -
[2751] - Quote
Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting. Now it's been delayed again after a failed money grab with Incarna so there's no shame in unsubbing.
Most people don't know or remember but WiS has been asked for, for years and thousands of ideas (example) have been put forward on the old forums. Occupy FiS protesters acting as if it's some new concept, or that it's not something that people may be rightfully upset about really baffle me. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:50:00 -
[2752] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting.
^^citation needed.
Xuko Nuki wrote:Occupy FiS protesters
LOL, so you are saying that the people who protested in jita and other trade hubs after Incarna were doing so because of a corrupt financial industry and income inequality in EVE? Really? Or more likely you are just using that term inappropriately because you think it has a negative connotation. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:56:00 -
[2753] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting. ^^citation needed.
I don't think you know how those work.
...
I did link an old thread which you haven't seen before. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:59:00 -
[2754] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting. ^^citation needed. I don't think you know how those work.
So how's this? Where is your evidence? Cite some evidence to back up your assertion. How about some from say 3 years ago, which is in the middle of your "6 or so years" timeline? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.14 14:14:00 -
[2755] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting. ^^citation needed. I don't think you know how those work. So how's this? Where is your evidence? Cite some evidence to back up your assertion. How about some from say 3 years ago, which is in the middle of your "6 or so years" timeline?
Playing a little gumshoe undergrad or something?
What the **** are you even talking about.
Here read this fury doc http://eve-search.com/thread/490722-0/page/1
o/ |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.14 14:21:00 -
[2756] - Quote
Xuko Nuki wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting. ^^citation needed. I don't think you know how those work. So how's this? Where is your evidence? Cite some evidence to back up your assertion. How about some from say 3 years ago, which is in the middle of your "6 or so years" timeline? Playing a little gumshoe undergrad or something? What the **** are you even talking about.
You are telling us that over the last 6 years lots of people (players) have been quitting over WIS not being delivered and/or because CCP lied about it to retain subs. I am asking you where exactly you got your information. In addition, since you seem to think CCP has been promising WIS (ambulation) for 6 or so years, I asked for evidence from at least 3 years ago (2008-2009) where players were quitting because CCP has failed to deliver on it or because CCP lied all along about their intentions.
Please link directly to your evidence, and not the first page of a 50+ page thread where no such quitting is occurring.
I can probably find some smaller words to use if you are still having difficulties. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.01.14 18:00:00 -
[2757] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:(...) Overall I wasn't really impressed with the expansion but it definitely doesn't provide a reason to quit. There's still lot's of content available for solo game play.
Nobody knows exactly what will be in the next expansion. Hopefully some new game play content will be added and even if it's just more fixes and enhancements, it'll still be good.
For one, I am not ragequitting. There is no "rage" in waiting for 6 months before actually quiting. The Incarna disaster came in when i already was aware that my last ingame goal (the last one in a series of goals, and certainly not what i had in mind when I created Ishtanchuk) would be finished sometime around August and then i would be essentilaly left without a reason to play. It's January (!!) and i eventually cancelled my subscription after waiting for months wether events took a positive turn or stayed on a course to nowhere. So i am leaving because i don't have a reason to play. Maybe in the future CCP will do something that interests me, or i may give a try to something i don't consider now, but that's not rage quitting. Oh, of course i am making a bit of drama about it. First because I feel sad, and second because it's the better carthesian aproach to dealing with an absolute power: Nothing I do will change CCP, but if something had a slight chance to influence, it would be producing written evidence on why CCP should listen to players like me. Because we stop paying them. And, IMO, CCP is losing much more people who leave in silence out of meaningless to play, than they lost in a ragequit over Incarna. Incarna was an open wound, but the internal hemorhage of people who under no cicrcunstance will move to the nullsec endgame and lack any other endgame keeps going on. Hey, in my opinion.
I am sorry that we loose you... One more person gone because of CCPs lies and false promises. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
66
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Posted - 2012.01.16 00:54:00 -
[2758] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:[..] It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.
The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Hmm, well, I don't know about other folks, but I care about as much about those visual additions as I did about the racial CQ's: not much at all. So I really hope that that is not what you think we will enjoy. What is lacking in Incarna is gameplay and interaction. No amount of furniture/clothes will change that.
I get the idea that you (CCP) for some reason are back to the drawing board, as if a lot of the ideas you've had for this are no good anymore. I wonder what you guys think was wrong with Incarna as you had intended to release it this winter, and why. Was it technical issues? Did you think the players wouldn't like the Incarna features because of the uproar last summer? What will be done differently? I'm really worried CCP is learning the wrong lessons, and should really communicate with the players about this. I suggest publishing a devblog and reading the comments, or possibly a survey if you are not sure about what people want to see in WiS. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.01.16 03:24:00 -
[2759] - Quote
Che Biko wrote:
I suggest publishing a devblog and reading the comments, or possibly a survey if you are not sure about what people want to see in WiS.
You missed the memo that WiS is on ice? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.16 03:40:00 -
[2760] - Quote
Che Biko wrote: I'm really worried CCP is learning the wrong lessons, and should really communicate with the players about this. I suggest publishing a devblog and reading the comments, or possibly a survey if you are not sure about what people want to see in WiS.
Yes, I agree that it would be good if CCP were to make an official statement on the future of WiS in response to this thread. CCP Guard's comments are appreciated, but it would be great to get some official details in the form of a dev blog.
Another CCP developer (I can't remember who) said earlier on in this thread that they are interested in hearing what players might want to use WiS for, I agree that doing a formal process (a survey? crowd sourcing?) could also be a great step. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.16 03:45:00 -
[2761] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:
Another CCP developer (I can't remember who) said earlier on in this thread that they are interested in hearing what players might want to use WiS for, I agree that doing a formal process (a survey? crowd sourcing?) could also be a great step.
If only there were a place in these forums where players could propose Features and Ideas to CCP regarding how things could be improved. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.16 03:58:00 -
[2762] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote: If only there were a place in these forums where players could propose Features and Ideas to CCP regarding how things could be improved.
It's been done. At length. And is part of the reason why players are so WTF when CCP says they don't know what to do with WiS. As far as we are concerned, there are heaps of ideas out there. The main problem with the features and ideas forum is that they are rather ad-hoc method, and any pro-Incarna posts tends to get attacked by trolls.
It might be useful gathering all of those ideas together though into a single list. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.16 08:47:00 -
[2763] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
You are telling us that over the last 6 years lots of people (players) have been quitting over WIS not being delivered and/or because CCP lied about it to retain subs. I am asking you where exactly you got your information. In addition, since you seem to think CCP has been promising WIS (ambulation) for 6 or so years, I asked for evidence from at least 3 years ago (2008-2009) where players were quitting because CCP has failed to deliver on it or because CCP lied all along about their intentions.
Please link directly to your evidence, and not the first page of a 50+ page thread where no such quitting is occurring.
I can probably find some smaller words to use if you are still having difficulties.
The absence of evidence of not the evidence of absence. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.01.16 14:08:00 -
[2764] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Doc Fury wrote: If only there were a place in these forums where players could propose Features and Ideas to CCP regarding how things could be improved.
It's been done. At length. And is part of the reason why players are so WTF when CCP says they don't know what to do with WiS. As far as we are concerned, there are heaps of ideas out there. The main problem with the features and ideas forum is that they are rather ad-hoc method, and any pro-Incarna posts tends to get attacked by trolls. It might be useful gathering all of those ideas together though into a single list.
It would be good that there was a small team devoted to gathering player feedback on WiS as a foundation to actually having development effort thrown into WiS.
That, or either CCP deciding that WiS has always been, is now and will always be vaporware, and so in case that's what keep people hooked, they should just go find something else or unsuscribe and save themselves feeling cheated/disappointed each three years. Wasn't WiS, wasn't Ambulation, hasn't been Incarna... that's an awful record for something you really want to implement.
But then maybe Incarna was a byproduct of WoD.
And maybe CCP can only develop FiS or WiS/WoD but not both together (DUST development, IMO, is not really compatible/tradeable/exchangeable with EVE/WoD development).
And maybe developing FiS will never allow CCP to develop WiS w/o sacrificing too much playerbase... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Gummy Plaude
University of Caille Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.01.16 15:19:00 -
[2765] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: And maybe developing FiS will never allow CCP to develop WiS w/o sacrificing too much playerbase...
The thing is, if we could use crucible as an indicator of the efficiency and the amount of content we could expect in the next expansion given a full work cycle, it may give CCP a break from all the FiS junkies that could be used to work on WiS.
I really think that most of the complains and requests from FiS proponents are quite legit but there's a small portion of veterans whose demands may be toxic for EVE's growth. Dust may sound risky, but it's a risk that I, for one, am willing to take with CCP and the same goes with WiS. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.17 05:03:00 -
[2766] - Quote
BOOM HEADSHOT Space Barbies defeated. They will get thrown a bone of a few space pants and will have to be happy with that. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.17 05:29:00 -
[2767] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:BOOM HEADSHOT Space Barbies defeated. They will get thrown a bone of a few space pants and will have to be happy with that.
You know the problem with that analogy?
Round 2.... |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.17 05:49:00 -
[2768] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:BOOM HEADSHOT Space Barbies defeated. They will get thrown a bone of a few space pants and will have to be happy with that. You know the problem with that analogy? Round 2....
You go and get your wallet ready, CCP will suck the cash from it and you can wear your nice new space pants. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.17 06:49:00 -
[2769] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:BOOM HEADSHOT Space Barbies defeated. They will get thrown a bone of a few space pants and will have to be happy with that. Good. Now we finally can expect real WiS content in the future . The one we are talking about since the dawn of this thread... you may have missed it . |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.17 06:53:00 -
[2770] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:BOOM HEADSHOT Space Barbies defeated. They will get thrown a bone of a few space pants and will have to be happy with that. Good. Now we finally can expect real WiS content in the future . The one we are talking about since the dawn of this thread... you may have missed it .
I've been here for every step of this terrible thread, it is most amusing. The despair coming from the space barbies was palpable when CCP confirmed (yet again) there where no real plans for the fashion parade. |
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.17 07:50:00 -
[2771] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Arcathra wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:BOOM HEADSHOT Space Barbies defeated. They will get thrown a bone of a few space pants and will have to be happy with that. Good. Now we finally can expect real WiS content in the future . The one we are talking about since the dawn of this thread... you may have missed it . I've been here for every step of this terrible thread, it is most amusing. The despair coming from the space barbies was palpable when CCP confirmed (yet again) there where no real plans for the fashion parade. I also find the opposition in many cases most amusing . We got the clear answer we asked for originally so this thread served its purpose, despite the haters doing their best to hamper it and demoralize the supporters. The opposers havn't "won", as they tend to picture it. Instead the thread has become a very nice collection of visions, suggestions and ideas about what WiS should or could be in general. We even managed to get a lot of useful feedback from some of the opposition and were shown the problems of some of these ideas and visions. I think a lot of valuable information from the supporters and opposers alike can be gathered from this thread.
But time and again the thread derails a bit into stupid rants by people who don't really have anything to say. Like you.
Now some of the supporters have decided that they will cancel their accounts. Nothing wrong about that. I heard there were quiet a few who did the same as they found out that the game might not develop in the direction they liked last summer. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.17 09:40:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:But time and again the thread derails a bit into stupid rants by people who don't really have anything to say. Like you..
I made plenty of constructive posts, I gave up when the space Barbies refused to listen to reason. They demanded that CCP repeat what they had allready said on several occasions (WiS is on the back burner) and demanded that CCP reply on "their" terms. In the face of irrational shiptoasting why bother being constructive?
I lowered myself to their level of posting thats all. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.17 10:02:00 -
[2773] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Arcathra wrote:But time and again the thread derails a bit into stupid rants by people who don't really have anything to say. Like you.. I made plenty of constructive posts, I gave up when the space Barbies refused to listen to reason. They demanded that CCP repeat what they had allready said on several occasions (WiS is on the back burner) and demanded that CCP reply on "their" terms. In the face of irrational shiptoasting why bother being constructive? I lowered myself to their level of posting thats all. We asked for a more detailed clarification and we finally got one from CCP Guard. It wasn't so unreasonable or irrational after all, was it? |
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CCP Bayesian
104
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Posted - 2012.01.17 10:37:00 -
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Time for some new information on our plans.
Incarna is not dead, it is however on a slight hiatus with much less development effort being put towards it. This is partly due to the refocus on to spaceship gameplay and the War expansion. Mainly it's because we want to take the time to do the gameplay in Incarna right and learn from the mistakes we made in creating the initial release.
The effort is being led by a new, small team inventively named Team Avatar. We're tasked with maintenance and improvement of existing systems, developing new features for the Captains Quarters, NeX Store and Character Creator and prototyping multiplayer gameplay for Incarna. Our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release.
We are interested in your ideas and will trawl this epic thread to see what you guys have been discussing. Any more suggestions would be good to put in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum just so that they are more visible to us.
We'll be coming out with more concrete information on what this all entails soonish but fire away with questions. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
221
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Posted - 2012.01.17 10:53:00 -
[2775] - Quote
Thanks for the update. What is the current state of the multi avatar CQ? 3 characters plus hopefully. What do you want to get to before release to Sisi:?:]. What improvements are we getting in Crusible 1.1? When are the rest of the clothes going to be available in the nex store and will the price be droping any time soon?
Think that hits the high points |
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CCP Bayesian
104
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:12:00 -
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Salpun wrote:Thanks for the update. What is the current state of the multi avatar CQ? 3 characters plus hopefully. What do you want to get to before release to Sisi:?:]. A Sisi release of any new multiplayer gameplay content is sadly a long way off, our team is currently only five people. Ideally though we want compelling avatar gameplay that has you interacting with other people in a way that is complementary to EVE's existing spaceship gameplay. To that end and as I said above we're mostly going to be concentrating on getting a solid vision and using the time to prototype gameplay features. This not only lets us have a pretty good idea that we're making something good but when the time comes we'll have a much better understanding of the technical and time requirements involved. We'll of course keep the community filled in on what we're doing via Devblogs and the forums. We're at the early stages right now so there is sadly not much meat to add to the bones.
Salpun wrote:What improvements are we getting in Crusible 1.1? For the Incarna features it's more bug-fixes. The team has literally only been together for a week or so at this point so we're mostly planning right now. Prior to that it was just me fixing things in an even smaller team!
Salpun wrote:When are the rest of the clothes going to be available in the nex store and will the price be droping any time soon? This is definitely high on our list of things to look at, no firm dates as yet but we don't want to leave all these clothing items sitting around. We'll be taking a look at the pricing structure at the same time. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
221
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:16:00 -
[2777] - Quote
Thanks for the response |
Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:20:00 -
[2778] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:BOOM HEADSHOT Space Barbies defeated. They will get thrown a bone of a few space pants and will have to be happy with that.
CCP Bayesian wrote:Time for some new information on our plans.
Incarna is not dead, it is however on a slight hiatus with much less development effort being put towards it. This is partly due to the refocus on to spaceship gameplay and the War expansion. Mainly it's because we want to take the time to do the gameplay in Incarna right and learn from the mistakes we made in creating the initial release.
The effort is being led by a new, small team inventively named Team Avatar. We're tasked with maintenance and improvement of existing systems, developing new features for the Captains Quarters, NeX Store and Character Creator and prototyping multiplayer gameplay for Incarna. Our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release.
We are interested in your ideas and will trawl this epic thread to see what you guys have been discussing. Any more suggestions would be good to put in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum just so that they are more visible to us.
We'll be coming out with more concrete information on what this all entails soonish but fire away with questions.
Seems like that BOOM turned out to come from a barrel burst and not a headshot
How are the chances to get a proper "Pod-Room" so we can emerge from our capsule more in private instead of the whole station watching us on the balcony in the buff?
Ninja-Edit:
A big cheer for the new Team Avatar \o/ Already <3 you guys ^^ |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:20:00 -
[2779] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Time for some new information on our plans.
The effort is being led by a new, small team inventively named Team Avatar. We're tasked with maintenance and improvement of existing systems, developing new features for the Captains Quarters, NeX Store and Character Creator and prototyping multiplayer gameplay for Incarna. Our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release.
We are interested in your ideas and will trawl this epic thread to see what you guys have been discussing. Any more suggestions would be good to put in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum just so that they are more visible to us.
I would be grateful if you could clarify...
I assume that you're main tasks for now will revolve around improvements to the performance and aesthetics of CQ/avatars but when you say that you will be prototyping multiplayer gameplay for incarna, are you talking about multiplayer features that with be brought to the existing CQ experience or are you referring to the creation of a new area specifically designed for multiplayer interaction?
This may help when we are making suggestions |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
157
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:24:00 -
[2780] - Quote
can we get a different source of clothes please ?
republic fleet general uniform only with +9 standing and for bazillions of SP
damsel in distress (very rarely) leaving her robe behind
"i shot a ccp employee and all i got was this lousy t-shirt" t-shirts when shooting down a ccp employee delivering party supplies
a veldspar shirt only for chribba
alliance tournament winners shirts
stuff like that :)
edit: more ideas |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
221
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:30:00 -
[2781] - Quote
The CQ needs to change with the skills you aquire and be more a part of the new player experiance.
An item visualization of the ability mastered needs to show up in a shelf in the CQ. The certificates during the first part of the NPE would be a great start.
Also instead of the PI window make it the 10 rules for a new Capsule pilot screen or something similer so there is more wisdom guidance coming from the CQ for the new players. All options need the choice to turn them off or remove them as well. Channels on the screens would be a great place to start. |
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CCP Bayesian
104
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:37:00 -
[2782] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:Time for some new information on our plans.
The effort is being led by a new, small team inventively named Team Avatar. We're tasked with maintenance and improvement of existing systems, developing new features for the Captains Quarters, NeX Store and Character Creator and prototyping multiplayer gameplay for Incarna. Our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release.
We are interested in your ideas and will trawl this epic thread to see what you guys have been discussing. Any more suggestions would be good to put in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum just so that they are more visible to us.
I would be grateful if you could clarify... I assume that you're main tasks for now will revolve around improvements to the performance and aesthetics of CQ/avatars but when you say that you will be prototyping multiplayer gameplay for incarna, are you talking about multiplayer features that with be brought to the existing CQ experience or are you referring to the creation of a new area specifically designed for multiplayer interaction? This may help when we are making suggestions
Basically, "our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release". From my perspective anything we do has to be compelling and if we can find a compelling gameplay experience in expanding the CQ with multiplayer aspects then that is something we'd definitely look at. We are definitely going to be looking at letting you out of the CQ though as they'd get crowded pretty quickly. ;) EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:58:00 -
[2783] - Quote
Sounds promising. I'll make some suggestions in the features and ideas forum as requested but, if you are interested, you can see some old suggestions i posted a couple months ago below:
Rek Seven wrote:I think they should focus primarily on the core FIS content but i would like them to iterate on what we have now in Incarna. CCP should dedicate a small team to further develop CQ's and then over time, they could implement the larger public areas (WIS). Suggestions for CQ improvements: Optimize the graphical performance Add functions the the TV screen - It shouldn't just display random stuff. We should be able to choose what we want to see, display the IGB on it, watch eve related community videos like Clear skies, Alliance tournaments, etc. Invite a player into your CQ add the mini games to CQ and allow us to play them with friends either face to face or from our separate CQ If your corp has an office in a station, this should be a CQ open to the corp Allow us to upgrade our corp and personal CQ through the NEX store. After all this is done, the technology should have been sufficiently developed and the concept properly thought out enough that CCP could implement WIS.
Granted, mini-games may not sound like compelling gameplay buy it could improve the sense of immersion and roleplay if people enjoy spending time in the CQ. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
360
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Posted - 2012.01.17 12:03:00 -
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When we get new threads to wear, how we get them and the PLEX pricing struture are my main points of interest.
Oh, and it is great that one team is still on WiS. No more, no less.
EDIT: Forgot my "most important" secondary point; I need a way to operate the big screen. At least a way to jump to the next episode of whatever cartoon it is showing. At best it should have the same functionalities as the Jukebox. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.01.17 12:28:00 -
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There you go, there are five people working on improving the client and new space pants are on the way. I hope CCP take a serious look at the NeX store prices, they are so out of whack it was a joke and made news in the gaming press for all the wrong reasons. Seeing articles like that can convince potential new players to walk away. If the prices are adjusted to fit the industry averages it will go a long way towards convincing existing players the NeX store isn't a greedy cash grab. Sales might increase too.
@ CCP Bayesian,
I notice you mentioned "gameplay" and its important that Incarna contains something that existing players want to do and looks exciting or enticing enough to bring new players in. The easiest way to do this is combat, people that play games love combat, there is nothing more satisfying than crushing an opponent after a hard fought fight, whether its NPCs or another player. I know asking for FPS in stations or invading an outpost after knocking it out of reinforced probably wouldn't happen.
I cannot imagine the technical issues involved in creating that but I imagine it wouldn't be easy, or cheap. There are fluff and back story issues to that would prevent pod pilots being able to run around with a rifle.
But what about robot fighting? Pod pilots have all these neural links that control starships so why not be able to control robots the same way? Like I said I don't understand the technical issues but maybe the existing game engine could be used to allow robot arena battles. The fluff mentions the Caldari gamble heavily on things like that so it fits the fluff too.
Allow players to build the robot parts and weapons via normal industry and add cosmetic features via the NeX store, so both the players get more market and industry and CCP could sell fancy gold paint jobs and trophies of junked robot parts impaled on spikes and things like that. Instead of flying on all 3 axis the robots could trundle around on tracks and anti grav pads, the arena could have obstacles and hazards to make manoeuvring tactics even more important.
Add 1v1 and 3v3, 5v5 matches and so on, entering a match would cost ISK and the winners take all. Robots would be damaged or destroyed and would need to be replaced or repaired by player industry. Add a PvE mode against "house robots" alongside the PvP and give the players LP as rewards for winning, but make PvE hard and use Sansha/Sleeper AI and limit it so it couldn't be farmed as a PvE income that rivals or exceeds any other PvE income.
Players have been asking for an arena for ages but many argued it would have no place in EVEs unscripted harsh world. Separating the arena from space ships and using robots instead wouldn't replace any existing gameplay with anything controlled or scripted.
It would be a whole new gameplay feature that would rival Incursion or Apocrypha in scope and would give Incarna a real gem in its crown, both for players and potential new players.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.01.17 12:29:00 -
[2786] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:
We'll be coming out with more concrete information on what this all entails soonish but fire away with questions.
Glad to hear an EVE feature isn't getting abandoned.
A couple of questions about what's currently on TQ:
1. Do you plan to update the 'clothing simulation'? Because currently clothing looks like it's glued to the body of the avatar. This is especially bad for any top layer clothing that is supposed to hang loose when unbuttoned/unzipped, like jackets, etc.
2. The character creator adds extra shadows across the face when it does the off-line rendering for the portrait. When are you going to fix that? |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.01.17 12:35:00 -
[2787] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Basically, "our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release". From my perspective anything we do has to be compelling and if we can find a compelling gameplay experience in expanding the CQ with multiplayer aspects then that is something we'd definitely look at. We are definitely going to be looking at letting you out of the CQ though as they'd get crowded pretty quickly. ;)
Bolded the bits that you'd expect to have been done at the very beginning of development rather than after 5 years.
(Not your fault personally, Bayesian, but it nicely illustrates just what a mess Incarna has been so far and why so many of us are sceptical about the whole project) ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Xuko Nuki
Lacking In Diplomacy RED.OverLord
40
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Posted - 2012.01.17 12:50:00 -
[2788] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:There you go, there are five people working on improving the client and new space pants are on the way.
Stopped reading there, you should work on your delivery before you type out a novel.
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CCP Bayesian
104
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Posted - 2012.01.17 13:11:00 -
[2789] - Quote
Razin wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:
We'll be coming out with more concrete information on what this all entails soonish but fire away with questions.
Glad to hear an EVE feature isn't getting abandoned. A couple of questions about what's currently on TQ: 1. Do you plan to update the 'clothing simulation'? Because currently clothing looks like it's glued to the body of the avatar. This is especially bad for any top layer clothing that is supposed to hang loose when unbuttoned/unzipped, like jackets, etc. 2. The character creator adds extra shadows across the face when it does the off-line rendering for the portrait. When are you going to fix that?
1. No plans currently, some parts of the clothing are physically simulated but most moves in a similar way to other games with the character animation. It's a balance between performance and visual fidelity.
2. This should be fixed when Crucible 1.1 goes out. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Praerian
FireStar Inc Curatores Veritatis Alliance
23
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Posted - 2012.01.17 13:30:00 -
[2790] - Quote
Just give us corp offices so we can sit and chill and spin avatars during operational downtime with corpies and extra fluff once you can do that.
And allow dusties access so we can mingle with the great unwashed. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:11:00 -
[2791] - Quote
Houm... so "Team avatar" is about one week old... CCP Guard's answer was about one week ago... All after two months ignoring the thread.
I think it's not too far an stretch of imagination to think that "Team avatar" does exist because of this thread. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:23:00 -
[2792] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Houm... so "Team avatar" is about one week old... CCP Guard's answer was about one week ago... All after two months ignoring the thread. I think it's not too far an stretch of imagination to think that "Team avatar" does exist because of this thread.
Its not stretch at all, its the truth. Its good thing that WiS once again have its own team, team only for development of WiS. While i think that 5 ppl is too small number of ppl for WiS team (WiS - thing that will brought EVE on all new level of player experience and gameplay), but its progress.
@ Team Avatar: We love you guys. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:36:00 -
[2793] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Razin wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:
We'll be coming out with more concrete information on what this all entails soonish but fire away with questions.
Glad to hear an EVE feature isn't getting abandoned. A couple of questions about what's currently on TQ: 1. Do you plan to update the 'clothing simulation'? Because currently clothing looks like it's glued to the body of the avatar. This is especially bad for any top layer clothing that is supposed to hang loose when unbuttoned/unzipped, like jackets, etc. 2. The character creator adds extra shadows across the face when it does the off-line rendering for the portrait. When are you going to fix that? 1. No plans currently, some parts of the clothing are physically simulated but most moves in a similar way to other games with the character animation. It's a balance between performance and visual fidelity. 2. This should be fixed when Crucible 1.1 goes out. Thank you for responding!
Good news on #2 and too bad about #1. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
103
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Posted - 2012.01.17 15:11:00 -
[2794] - Quote
All I want from incarna is a corporate conference room and an alliance presentation room where we could upload powerpoints to show the alliance. If this is done, incarna would be awesome. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.01.17 16:20:00 -
[2795] - Quote
Let's discuss gameplay.
Incarna for me is about immersion. It's about going into the nitty gritty and getting your hands dirty. It's about stepping off your own personal "Millenium Falcon"/"Firefly"/"Normandy" and so on. Although to EVE Veterans, we know our ships come and go - it's that experience that makes it matter for the new player. Get off my ship and I want to see what this Universe is really about. Maybe punch some people in the face. It should have a taste of exploration as well - even on the "stale" spacestations. Those shady back alleys and off grid sites do make it feel tangible.
Really, when I think of Incarna, I think of wanting to be in a Virtual Reality headset and 'becoming' my character by having to DO the things my character does, unlike theme park trash MMOs too many to name. It should be an environment where you have to have the technical player skill to interact with as much as you need to do the same in space - less button clicking more technical challenges.
So, I'm going to give you a little vision.
You undock from your capsule and you head into your CQ, you have some great opportunities to check out your environment and look at some news on the screen (which needs to be expanded on and allowed to be more customizable for me - market tickers, corporation bulletins, planetary bulletins (Dust?), etc). You decide to head out of your quarters...
But why? I mean, if you have to go out of your way, generally, you also expect people to be there. So wherever you're going has to have enough to keep peoples attention that they're interested in staying there for a noticeable amount of time or you'll end up with an empty (and boring) environment. Especially in EVE where there is simply SOOO much space.
At the same time, we WANT some empty spaces. We want places that are public but yet private. The equivalent of a Dark Alley. The biggest challenge is going to be your space stations and not making them ALL THE SAME. But we want some variety. So let's say you divide space stations into various "Districts" - this is purely conjectural of course - and EVE Players, being the awesome deities that they are can INVEST into various districts to promote certain activities. Of course, different people will want different investments prioritized. If you want a "Black Market District" then you - through whatever mechanics make sense - invest into the area (beyond just pressing a button). Perhaps by using establishments you have placed in the district you can promote certain environments to develop.
The station environments should feel less like a modern strip "Mall" and more like an old Arabian "Bazaar". Corners, Alleys, tight spaces, open spaces, etc. Different developments could change the "dirtiness" of the environment, the amount of NPCs that might be around, and so on. So, now you've given players that LIVE in certain places the ability to manipulate their environment and now you're creating opportunity for politics, scheming and so on. Whatever this means is that to get what you want you have to coordinate in some parts, and on the other parts also get into conflict. Can you steal someones establishment? Can you convince them to do what you want? Maybe you're interested in a Black Market that gives certain price advantages to your market, or maybe you're interested in a High Tech district that specializes in increasing manufacturing time, and so on.
Those establishments now become a force that exerts on the space around it. A bar establishment can cater to different types of players through that same mechanic.
But that begs the question... what are establishments run by players like?
If we start with the obvious ones from our real life experiences we can say these are typical establishments you will see :
- Restaurants (Applicable in EVE, do we need to eat?)
- Social Establishments (Bars, Lounges, Dance Clubs, etc)
- Entertainment Establishments (Sports, Gambling, Video Arcades, My Little Pony Rides)
- Retail Establishments (Selling you Clothing, Food, Starships, etc)
- Medical Establishments (Hospitals, Space for Medical Professionals, Surgeons, etc)
- Administrative Establishments (Offices for Corporations, etc)
Trying to think of other options... but we're not very creative as humans I guess as to what you expect from something when you go there. The devil is in the details of those places when we visit.
Now... why would someone want to hang around those kinds of places. In typical MMOs today, you just make a one stop shop at your Medical Dude and you get patched up and then keep running. It's maybe a 30 second affair and hardly a place for social interaction and definitely a BANAL experience of the whole themepark MMO Genre. We all know it takes more than 10 seconds to heal a major injury. And Incarna should NOT be Banal.
Looking at a game like APB (Reloaded) - there's a TON of social customization options... but really NO socialization happens in the "Social" district. The reason is pretty simple... there's no TOOLS for socialization. As humans, whether we hate video games or not, we play games every day while socializing. Ever try to date a girl? (Have to ask around here sometimes...) Oh my gaawwdd the 'games' that are played. Some more fun than others .
So, why do people want to socialize in EVE? Well a TON of it happens every day. "Help me with this - I need that, etc". Mostly in a text chat buffer or a voice program... but... why bother meeting in person? What can that give me that I can't just hear in someones voice? That is the dilemma for social gameplay in an MMO (all of them).
Continued Below : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=663643#post663643 Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.17 16:28:00 -
[2796] - Quote
thank you CCP Bayesian and of course team Avatar
a small team on WIS is all ,what we have asked for.
i hope you have enough time to go through this thread ,some good ideas are posted here
i know WIS has a long road to go ,but i want to know if CCP still don,t want some aggression in stations i know its a bit early to ask ,but if more station environments are possible ,some unsafe spots in station ,maybe? and of course the big screen ,do something with it,maybe a camera-drone outside the station? A Corproom would be a nice addition,if more rooms are possible in the future and the pod on the balcony ,pls make it attached to the CQ I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.17 16:29:00 -
[2797] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Time for some new information on our plans.
Incarna is not dead, it is however on a slight hiatus with much less development effort being put towards it. This is partly due to the refocus on to spaceship gameplay and the War expansion. Mainly it's because we want to take the time to do the gameplay in Incarna right and learn from the mistakes we made in creating the initial release.
The effort is being led by a new, small team inventively named Team Avatar. We're tasked with maintenance and improvement of existing systems, developing new features for the Captains Quarters, NeX Store and Character Creator and prototyping multiplayer gameplay for Incarna. Our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release.
We are interested in your ideas and will trawl this epic thread to see what you guys have been discussing. Any more suggestions would be good to put in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum just so that they are more visible to us.
We'll be coming out with more concrete information on what this all entails soonish but fire away with questions.
Excellent, +1 'Like' and thank you very much for clarifying that there is a small team working on WiS game play development. Obviously it's going to be a while before we see anything major due to the focus on FiS war mechanics, hopefully that focus is on both Alliance/0.0 Sov and Factional Warfare.
As for posting threads for WiS ideas in 'Features & Ideas Discussion' forum, there's already been quite a few different ones posted. It probably be a good idea if CCP made a sticky thread asking for players to post ideas for WiS gameplay content. Then the various ideas would all be located in one area for easy reference. However, while I was browsing the 'Features & Ideas Discussion' sub forum channel, I noticed there was a definite lack of interaction by CCP.
I found these threads containing ideas for WiS content spread throughout 35 pages. There were some other threads about Character options such as wearing gloves, going barefoot or wearing sandals with socks. Also different types of head gear (Hat, Bandana, Cap, etc) or Eye Patch for the die hard Pirate as well as having Culturally/Ethnic clothing available (Kilts, Poncho's, etc). Even saw one asking for a wooden toothpick to chew on, lol. Also requests for hand held firearms, etc. Anyway, this list started to get rather long so I didn't include those.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50401&find=unread - Professional Wardrobe
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58317&find=unread - Docking Animation
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54614&find=unread - Complete Character Make-over
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41031&find=unread - Character Portrait
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50534&find=unread - Incarna War Room
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=55509&find=unread - Establishment Music
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54870&find=unread - WiS Social Skills and Activities
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54369&find=unread - WiS Nano-Surgery
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53679&find=unread - WiS Slaves & Servants
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53018&find=unread - Various Ideas
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46481&find=unread - Viewing Ship In Station
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42247&find=unread - WiS Gameplay |
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CCP Bayesian
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Posted - 2012.01.17 16:44:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:As for posting threads for WiS ideas in 'Features & Ideas Discussion' forum, there's already been quite a few different ones posted. It probably be a good idea if CCP made a sticky thread asking for players to post ideas for WiS gameplay content. Then the various ideas would all be located in one area for easy reference. However, while I was browsing the 'Features & Ideas Discussion' sub forum channel, I noticed there was a definite lack of interaction by CCP.
Thanks for taking the time to scour the sub-forum to find all those threads!
Hopefully you should see an uptake in participation as we really get rolling on this and throw some ideas and questions out. I'm reluctant to start commenting on specific ideas and their relative merits because there are literally almost as many as there are users posting on here. It can be too easy to get sucked into the rabbit hole. I think it's likely we will use that sub-forum to gain focused feedback though. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.01.17 16:45:00 -
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Now, if there wasn't another medium of interaction, it would be a bit more clear. But with our spaceship interaction ability, why bother doing it in person? The amusing part is the converse of our situation in EVE. IN Real Life we don't interact through our "cars" unless we're going to ram into each other. We might talk while passing - but we don't all sit in a circle while in our cars and try and talk.
So, in EVE - is our "flesh body" the inverse of our "Starship body". Are we really... just cars while walking and our "bodies" while flying? I think it's an appropriately intriguing concept philosophically for EVE - and the most difficult conceptually to get past - since we're SO used to the inverse of this scenario in real life.
Our body is merely there to move our head around.
Other successful social games really simply just prey on a different KIND of player who wants different games to play (i.e. Second Life). But what makes sense for EVE players - I guess we're discussing that. I think the general consensus is we want immersion in a sci fi world, more than a specifically socially competitive experience. I figure the typical EVE player gets satisfaction not from socializing but from accomplishing difficult and challenging undertakings in a dangerous environment.
So, that's what it should really come down to in walking in stations.
Otherwise... you really need to create a new set of professions for Incarna and fill them with players who have NO interest in spaceships other than as a transportation tool... and then those are the people that occupy the space that the dedicated capsuleers come and live in.
I know this is a lot of theory talk, bear with me.
So, going back to the initial concept - Land Luving Capsuleers" as I'll call them for now. The LLCs would need essentially a whole level of gameplay provided to them that attracts players that want to fill these spaces more than on a temporary basis. There are already plenty of players that never leave some stations - so providing services for them would make sense as a start. The "Market District" provides -0.2% less broker fees while operating from. You can be anywhere in the district, in a bar, etc. So, i na sense - you start to form a segregating development of "docked" players that have an interest. That creates new social interactions where in EVE Before you really would all sit in a "Guest" space not having a clue what people were doing.
You could have an "Industry" district that would be slight improvements for manufacturing, as long as you're there - and that would allow for social industry experiences.
Now, let's say you have some crazy master plan to develop an industrial goal - you walk into the industrial district and start mingling with those people and see what they're all about. Alternately, if you're a scammer and you want to target industry scams, you can start wheeling and dealing your scams there. Same for market districts.
Now, I think we're getting somewhere that is founded on our current mechanics and the people that are Land Lubbers.
Combine that with the ability to manipulate how these districts influence your bonuses, and you add a political gameplay.
Of course, all this needs SOOO much more thought and development. But, does it work for you? Does it make sense?
With the LLCs in place, you can create more professions. How about "Janitor"? My first foray into science fiction games was as Roger Wilco the Starship Janitor in Space Quest. So, I think it'd be a great homage. :)
But really... you develop some LLC professions and you get a basic environment for people to want to stay. Develop an interesting environment that promotes certain gameplay and you can get bodies to hang around, after that the "Butterfly effect" will happen. But make it actually interesting to segregate play styles, and you get an interesting experience for interaction beyond the location.
This plays perfectly into the "Booster" concept too. Instead of having all establishments allowing boosters to be traded in them, really only SPECIFIC Black Market district establishments should allow Booster trading. THAT makes it actually unique.
"I need to go to the Rens Black Market to get my Boosters, because I can't trade them in JIta because there's too much political force from the Market and High Tech establishment investors that are influencing the area to allow a Black Market district."
How great does that sound?
Moving on.
So, if we have "Social Gameplay" happening in the station districts, there's really other gameplays to cater towards.
Competitive gameplay can be as simple as a poker game that you lose. Or how about the EVE Football League? Too much coding? Ya, I thought so.
Personal Advancement is where it gets interesting from some of the ideas that were presented at Fanfest. Get out of your spaceship onto a Blood Raider outpost - explore it and come back with some AWESOME goodies. And find your ship is stolen! (Starship Lo-Jack Please!!). On space stations however, I think there should be opportunities for this kind of introductory gameplay.
It'd be like a "high sec exploration site". You can explore parts of a station that have some challenges and have some "atmospheric" gameplay that you wouldn't get to see anywhere else, but wouldn't be super rewarding in itself.
Maybe a player can find one of these spaces and claim it for himself, having a "den" to hide in to do his dirty private deeds. And that comes back into the idea of "Homesteads" having a captains quarters - where in the middle of space you can board someone elses "station environment" that they've set up and loot and ransack it!
Alright, without getting ahead of myself. I think I laid out some great ideas for social gameplay - the competitive and the personal advancement gameplay can come from many many different and great angles.
Thanks! Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.01.17 16:48:00 -
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Thanks for taking the time to respond.
I wrote up my little essay because we got a committed Dev response to this.
Please give it a read when you can, i think it's a pretty good presentation of ideas and I know they won't get approved or denied, but I'm just trying to feed your imagination on the potential for expanding this into more than "space barbie" and into something where what you do matters, and how it matters - which can create the "butterfly effect" that we all love in EVE so much. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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CCP Bayesian
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Posted - 2012.01.17 16:59:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Thanks for taking the time to respond.
No problem, thanks for sharing your ideas! EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Di Mulle
44
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Posted - 2012.01.17 16:59:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:Basically, "our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release". From my perspective anything we do has to be compelling and if we can find a compelling gameplay experience in expanding the CQ with multiplayer aspects then that is something we'd definitely look at. We are definitely going to be looking at letting you out of the CQ though as they'd get crowded pretty quickly. ;) Bolded the bits that you'd expect to have been done at the very beginning of development rather than after 5 years. (
QFT.
Can't help myself, but to wonder for the 1000th time how CCP managed to go into such costly (and as it happened, near deadly) venture without having any clue what they want to do... and even not planning to get such a clue..
However, that makes recent recovery of CCP even more amazing. Idiots usually go down all the way... CCP found some cure instead, it seems.
And thanks for the response, CCP Bayesian. CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:08:00 -
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One last post from me. This will be short!
I always like to make a "Crazy and never going to happen" list of ideas for fun not for development.
- Station Hangar - The ability to see all your ships and walk past them on a massive hangar floor
- Warehouse hangar - Able to walk through the piles of JUNK that you have in your hangar! Able to pick it up, kick it, call in a "tractor beam" to move stuff around, etc.
- Observation Deck - Able to see out into space what's happening.
- The Sports Arena - Able to play competitive first person style sports with your mates.
- Meet your Agent! - Able to walk into an Agents office and have a chat and a coffee with them. Maybe meet the Amarrian Empress for some tea?
Oh, one last thing. Dust players are another form of "Land Lubbers" and should totally be allowed to integrate into station environments as part of the ability to expand the station populations.
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Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:22:00 -
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Sakura Imoru wrote:How are the chances to get a proper "Pod-Room" so we can emerge from our capsule more in private instead of the whole station watching us on the balcony in the buff?
Ninja-Edit:
A big cheer for the new Team Avatar \o/ Already <3 you guys ^^
Seems like my question has been missed
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CCP Bayesian
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:41:00 -
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Sakura Imoru wrote:How are the chances to get a proper "Pod-Room" so we can emerge from our capsule more in private instead of the whole station watching us on the balcony in the buff?
Sorry that wasn't intentional. That sort of cosmetic change is pretty low priority at the moment as it would require a large amount of our artists time. We're more focused on working out what the compelling vision and gameplay for Incarna in general should be so our art support is minimal. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:45:00 -
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How about moving this thread to Features and Ideas Discussion, and replacing it with a sticky here in GD directing interested players over to F&I?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Beaches
10
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:49:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:How about moving this thread to Features and Ideas Discussion, and replacing it with a sticky here in GD directing interested players over to F&I?
Don't mind him he's just an over eager forum posting try-hard who hasn't gotten enough attention yet today. Hi Doc Fury your ideas about how the mods should do their job are both edgy and insightful. Now go run along, it's almost the top of the hour and new cartoons are coming on. |
Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:49:00 -
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CCP Bayesian wrote:Sakura Imoru wrote:How are the chances to get a proper "Pod-Room" so we can emerge from our capsule more in private instead of the whole station watching us on the balcony in the buff? Sorry that wasn't intentional. That sort of cosmetic change is pretty low priority at the moment as it would require a large amount of our artists time. We're more focused on working out what the compelling vision and gameplay for Incarna in general should be so our art support is minimal.
At least it IS on the list . Being so exposed when a pod-pilot is at his/her weakest (at least according to all the chrons and the novels as well as the original Incarna-teaser, disorientation and stuff) just feels wrong. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:55:00 -
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Beaches wrote:Doc Fury wrote:How about moving this thread to Features and Ideas Discussion, and replacing it with a sticky here in GD directing interested players over to F&I?
Don't mind him he's just an over eager forum posting try-hard who hasn't gotten enough attention yet today. Hi Doc Fury your ideas about how the mods should do their job are both edgy and insightful. Now go run along, it's almost the top of the hour and new cartoons are coming on.
Your fascination and fixation on my posting is quite telling, but by all means don't let me make you miss your cartoons.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
291
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:58:00 -
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CCP Bayesian wrote:[
Sorry that wasn't intentional. That sort of cosmetic change is pretty low priority at the moment as it would require a large amount of our artists time. We're more focused on working out what the compelling vision and gameplay for Incarna in general should be so our art support is minimal.
You could ask the players about what could and should be included into the gameplay vision of incarna (ignoring the abandon WIS trolls of course). |
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Beaches
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:58:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Beaches wrote:Doc Fury wrote:How about moving this thread to Features and Ideas Discussion, and replacing it with a sticky here in GD directing interested players over to F&I?
Don't mind him he's just an over eager forum posting try-hard who hasn't gotten enough attention yet today. Hi Doc Fury your ideas about how the mods should do their job are both edgy and insightful. Now go run along, it's almost the top of the hour and new cartoons are coming on. Your fascination and fixation on my posting is quite telling, but by all means don't let me make you miss your cartoons.
Don't use big words you don't understand, also echoing my suggestion to you is lazy and stupid. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.17 18:01:00 -
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Beaches wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Beaches wrote:Doc Fury wrote:How about moving this thread to Features and Ideas Discussion, and replacing it with a sticky here in GD directing interested players over to F&I?
Don't mind him he's just an over eager forum posting try-hard who hasn't gotten enough attention yet today. Hi Doc Fury your ideas about how the mods should do their job are both edgy and insightful. Now go run along, it's almost the top of the hour and new cartoons are coming on. Your fascination and fixation on my posting is quite telling, but by all means don't let me make you miss your cartoons. Don't use big words you don't understand, also echoing my suggestion to you is lazy and stupid.
Then please explain it to me 11-day old shiptoasting alt?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.17 18:11:00 -
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I've made tons of suggestions for WiS (more like walking on planets), that require a heavy mix of Incarna and PI. These ideas could easily be applied (introduced) to stations until PI and Dust do the merger thing and Incarna catches up. It might not be a bad place to start tbh.
Please note, the WiS parts of the idea is under the "Social PI" sections.
The F&I discussion topic is found here
The Assembly Hall proposal (with a more detailed version of this idea, in pdf format) is located here
I believe a good starting point would be to make the existing station services, item hangers (corporate and alliance) and ship hangers (player and corporate), explorable.
From there, we could add station slots, manufacturing lines, research lines, new buildings like bars, nex stores etc, building on the ideas listed in my Social PI concepts and slowly introducing WiS with actual game content and depth that would keep allot of space barbie advocates satisfied. I've seen many a suggestion regarding war rooms, corp rooms, market levels, food courts, casinos, lounges, promenades etc around and even lifted some of those ideas for PI based social PI that players would hopefully be able to explore someday in the not so distant future.
Once we have a functional Station side implementation of WiS going, we could just slowly start applying that to PI networks.
Maybe even Capital ships. Hallways, bridges, hangers, armories, CQs on your ships etc. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.17 18:50:00 -
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CCP Bayesian wrote:Rek Seven wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:Time for some new information on our plans.
The effort is being led by a new, small team inventively named Team Avatar. We're tasked with maintenance and improvement of existing systems, developing new features for the Captains Quarters, NeX Store and Character Creator and prototyping multiplayer gameplay for Incarna. Our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release.
We are interested in your ideas and will trawl this epic thread to see what you guys have been discussing. Any more suggestions would be good to put in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum just so that they are more visible to us.
I would be grateful if you could clarify... I assume that you're main tasks for now will revolve around improvements to the performance and aesthetics of CQ/avatars but when you say that you will be prototyping multiplayer gameplay for incarna, are you talking about multiplayer features that with be brought to the existing CQ experience or are you referring to the creation of a new area specifically designed for multiplayer interaction? This may help when we are making suggestions Basically, "our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release". From my perspective anything we do has to be compelling and if we can find a compelling gameplay experience in expanding the CQ with multiplayer aspects then that is something we'd definitely look at. We are definitely going to be looking at letting you out of the CQ though as they'd get crowded pretty quickly. ;)
There have been tons of suggestions about "compelling" experiences that don't require some major "gameplay". Corp meeting room, dock viewing platforms, war planning rooms..... the list goes on. This sounds like the kind of answer that allows CCP to rationalize years and years of us being locked in the captains cell with nothing but new NEX store items being added. Even just letting other players in your CQ.
"Sorry players, for the third year we are unable come up with compelling ambulation, but look, new pants with a matching hat for $17.95 RL!"
I find this a very unsettling "throw the WiS fans a bone to shut them up" kind of answer.
Issler
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leich
Nocturnal Romance
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:01:00 -
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Im Hoping WIS is put on a list of 10,000 items and it is 10,001.
In it's current incarnation it should just be removed from game.
There is no need requirement or benafit for either the player base or CCP.
The whole project was and still is a massive waste of time and money and causes more players to leave the game than anything else ever introduced.
only WIS feature i want is away to highly pilots in space that use it so i can troll them for having the same mental capacity as a 4 year old girl.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:16:00 -
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I don't understand...CCP replies just as we asked them to...and everybody bitches about it. ******* be happy already...CCP is still working on WiS in a very limited form, thats it...there is no reason to badger them at this point. They have told us what they can at this time. If you want to get more involved and tell them how to do WiS put in an application after you get a degree in programming or game design. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:18:00 -
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leich wrote:Im Hoping WIS is put on a list of 10,000 items and it is 10,001.
In it's current incarnation it should just be removed from game.
There is no need requirement or benafit for either the player base or CCP.
The whole project was and still is a massive waste of time and money and causes more players to leave the game than anything else ever introduced.
only WIS feature i want is away to highly pilots in space that use it so i can troll them for having the same mental capacity as a 4 year old girl.
Sadly, due to the "hide posts" feature, I will no longer get to read any of your thoughtfull, well worded and constructive posts. |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:19:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I don't understand...CCP replies just as we asked them to...and everybody bitches about it. ******* be happy already...CCP is still working on WiS in a very limited form, thats it...there is no reason to badger them at this point. They have told us what they can at this time. If you want to get more involved and tell them how to do WiS put in an application after you get a degree in programming or game design. Have you read the DEV posts at all? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:34:00 -
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Soulpirate wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I don't understand...CCP replies just as we asked them to...and everybody bitches about it. ******* be happy already...CCP is still working on WiS in a very limited form, thats it...there is no reason to badger them at this point. They have told us what they can at this time. If you want to get more involved and tell them how to do WiS put in an application after you get a degree in programming or game design. Have you read the DEV posts at all? Yeah...so far they tell me that WiS is officially on hold with a 5 man team currently fleshing out ideas for it who are currently also reading through this thread for ideas.
The dev responses are sufficient.
Personally I want to thank Bayesian for taking the time to update us with this informaion. I encourage you to read this threadnaught as well as the many other threads out there with ideas for WiS. I also encourage you to ignore the WiS haters. Thank you very much for your time and all the hard work you are putting into EvE. Please make WiS great and release it when it is ready. Thank you. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:40:00 -
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Nice to see that WiS is a live...
Just... 5 people working on it is toooo low number. But... better that than nothing, for now.
P.S. This thread is officially the biggest thread on this forum! (until now the biggest was "Rate the Avatar above you" - and that's actually also WiS related thread ) |
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Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:43:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Soulpirate wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I don't understand...CCP replies just as we asked them to...and everybody bitches about it. ******* be happy already...CCP is still working on WiS in a very limited form, thats it...there is no reason to badger them at this point. They have told us what they can at this time. If you want to get more involved and tell them how to do WiS put in an application after you get a degree in programming or game design. Have you read the DEV posts at all? Yeah...so far they tell me that WiS is officially on hold with a 5 man team currently fleshing out ideas for it who are currently also reading through this thread for ideas. The dev responses are sufficient. Personally I want to thank Bayesian for taking the time to update us with this informaion. I encourage you to read this threadnaught as well as the many other threads out there with ideas for WiS. I also encourage you to ignore the WiS haters. Thank you very much for your time and all the hard work you are putting into EvE. Please make WiS great and release it when it is ready. Thank you. Sorry, I thought you meant the continued suggestions were "badgering" My bad. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:53:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
I find this a very unsettling "throw the WiS fans a bone to shut them up" kind of answer.
I was really responding to this...I find this to be uncalled for despite everything we have gotten from the Dev's at this point. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1996
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:55:00 -
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I don't want to be overly critical of CCP, but It's a bit hard to give ideas when we don't know what you want to do with WiS and what your vision is or even what it's scale is. You could easily make an entire game based solely on WiS with strong ties to the space part, but there propably isn't any point suggesting anything of that scale, if you only see its entire potential as providing a planetery interaction type PvE minigame(s).
After saying that there are a few points that might be of interest to the team developing concepts for station gameplay.
1 - Don't force us to be on site to play minigames, if it isn't absolutely necessary. Having it as an option the creator of the game chooses is fine though. I'm referring to minigames like space poker games in establishments. Forcing people to physically be there would splinter the potential playerbase for those games to too many pieces and it's a huge pain to stop doing everything else just to play a minigame. It might be ok initially regardless, but when the novelty wears off functionality always comes back to center stage.
The point of minigames is often to enrichen and fill the slow parts of your normal gameplay anyway, so it makes sense to give the ability to participate in them without having to stop playing the main game. Instead make a lobby system for minigames where players can search and filter by criteria for available games to join. If such games require an establishment and the corresponding game table to start, you can solve possible immersion issues by creating a hologram of the participants, that sits at the table instead of the actual avatar.
2 - Try to avoid creating more pure kill all/fetch items line of activities in the game. It's the laziest form of PvE gameplay ever made and turns in to a boring grind very quickly. In addition to the stupid AI and lack of any challenge, it's one of the major reasons missioning in EVE is considered as one of the worst PvE activities in any MMO. If you provide PvE activities in WiS, do something different.
3 - You can easily tie potential gameplay to the spaceship part with the exploration spawn system and even create new gameplay for the space part that ties in with it. Basicly this would involve you making the station gameplay more about espionage and information gathering to get access to sites and PvE encounters in space. It would also open a great possiblity to offer new type of exploration, archeology and hacking sites, which aren't combat focused.
Another more interesting possibility is open, if you choose to increase NPC activities in space. There has been some talk about providing new PvE content in a new format. Basicly make world encounters like a NPC hauler traveling a route with escorts to make the world seem more alive while delivering PvE content in a new format. The WiS gameplay and information gathering could tie in with such initiatives in a way, that you could get details on a future hauler schedule(from where to where, escort strength and time of departure). Optionally such an world encounter could also spawn only because someone did a WiS espionage "mission".
Those are just a few general ideas from the top of my head. As said, depending on where you want to go they might be of some interest or totally useless to you. Either way I hope you can come up with some interesting things for us to do, that both fits well to EVE and enrichens the gameplay in space and in stations. What I don't want to see is a copypaste of a feature from another MMO that is juryrigged to EVE or something that has no connection the space part of the game. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.17 20:04:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:I don't want to be overly critical of CCP, but It's a bit hard to give ideas when we don't know what you want to do with WiS and what your vision is or even what it's scale is.
Let your imagination run free.
I say the same thing of FiS. All CCP know they want to do with FiS is blow stuff up, evident by the over focus of pew pew based content.
All they know they want from WiS, is to walk around stuff.
There's lots of room here.
Personally, I would prefer a life in Eve where I'm not forced to get into a space ship and I could still do everything or most of the stuff the spaceship people could do on stations and in space (like blow other avatars away with small arms in hallways etc). In addition, I want dedicated WiS stuff that spaceship people wont get to do unless they join the WiS bunch on stations.
Landing spaceships in space ports on cities on planets for example. GO Han Solo on somebodies butt on some planet. Go sit in a bar, enjoy a brewskie. Tip the dancing girls, grab missions from agents, get in cars and speeders, go exploring planets, jew sites, earn loot, make isk. Stuff. I mean rly, add Star Wars the Old Republic to Eve Online, mix it by making it like freelancer to allow seemless transition between WiS and FiS and we have the makings of something awesome. |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.17 20:12:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
I find this a very unsettling "throw the WiS fans a bone to shut them up" kind of answer.
I was really responding to this...I find this to be uncalled for despite everything we have gotten from the Dev's at this point. Agreed. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.17 21:24:00 -
[2826] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:Rek Seven wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:Time for some new information on our plans.
The effort is being led by a new, small team inventively named Team Avatar. We're tasked with maintenance and improvement of existing systems, developing new features for the Captains Quarters, NeX Store and Character Creator and prototyping multiplayer gameplay for Incarna. Our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release.
We are interested in your ideas and will trawl this epic thread to see what you guys have been discussing. Any more suggestions would be good to put in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum just so that they are more visible to us.
I would be grateful if you could clarify... I assume that you're main tasks for now will revolve around improvements to the performance and aesthetics of CQ/avatars but when you say that you will be prototyping multiplayer gameplay for incarna, are you talking about multiplayer features that with be brought to the existing CQ experience or are you referring to the creation of a new area specifically designed for multiplayer interaction? This may help when we are making suggestions Basically, "our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release". From my perspective anything we do has to be compelling and if we can find a compelling gameplay experience in expanding the CQ with multiplayer aspects then that is something we'd definitely look at. We are definitely going to be looking at letting you out of the CQ though as they'd get crowded pretty quickly. ;) There have been tons of suggestions about "compelling" experiences that don't require some major "gameplay". Corp meeting room, dock viewing platforms, war planning rooms..... the list goes on. This sounds like the kind of answer that allows CCP to rationalize years and years of us being locked in the captains cell with nothing but new NEX store items being added. Even just letting other players in your CQ. "Sorry players, for the third year we are unable come up with compelling ambulation, but look, new pants with a matching hat for $17.95 RL!" I find this a very unsettling "throw the WiS fans a bone to shut them up" kind of answer. Issler
come on Issler for now at least they got a small team on this We all know bc of the sudden change of direction WIS is low on priority after FIS and that consolecrap called DUST At least we got some attention from CCP
we have to wait and watch hat they will do an not what they say for now we have to be patient ,we have a 5 man team now ,yesterday it was nothing or we did know nothing
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.01.17 21:51:00 -
[2827] - Quote
Someone recommended that WIS should be "Free to Play" and that to fly and earn skill points you have to use PLEX (Pilots License... makes perfect sense) - or subscribe of course.
That'd be a brilliant way to boost certain station activities and fill stations - and add new professions - passenger transport for capsuleers.
Meanwhile, providing certain players the opportunity to explore EVE and pay for it when they felt like it - providing a social experience for those who are interested in a SCI FI social experience.
Combined with some of the other ideas (included the ones I presented earlier) this would be a GREAT addition to EVE IMHO.
I know a lot of my friends would love to login to EVE without paying for it - and I could socialize with them and get them to work in a Bar, let's say, and socialize with other players.
Some would become "Traders" but not able to fly and would need transport pilots to move things for them, etc.
Highly recommended and great suggestion whoever came up with it. Consider DUST players will be Free 2 Play as well, and this becomes a great paradigm that makes sense across EVE and adding intrigue and an easy "Return value" for players who want to be part time EVE players - and for Bitter vets to complain at while sitting in bars telling tales of grandeur who don't want to play EVE for a few months to those souls who have never stepped off a station. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.17 21:57:00 -
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Getting a little recognition from CCP is better than none. Especially when it's positive feedback pertaining to the topic of this thread. I'm glad CCP is active again with the community and I look forward to them continuing to do so.
We need to continue showing our support and let CCP fully develop some WiS game play content without being rushed.
On a side note, got half a mind to go back thru this thread, quote all the anti WiS posters (They know who they are) and give em a real big juicy "Told you so" middle finger salute. However I'm sure there's no need for that at this time.
Hmmm, time to stop fooling myself, I do feel the need. - 'Neener neener neener', (big loud razz-berry), 'Told you so'. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.17 22:12:00 -
[2829] - Quote
My point about this being a "throw us a bone answer" is simple. What we have been told that there are 5 folks, mostly in a maintenance capacity the only "new" WiS content is decorations for the Captains Cell and some new NEX stuff.
I am very happy we are being talked to but I'm disappointed in what I am hearing because I interpret the response as not much different that WiS is dead. They would have to have some folks maintaining WiS and mostly this is what it sounds like we have.
We are then told they are also trying to find a way to make ambulation "compelling" and "relevant". There were dozens of suggestions in this thread alone. If they think something simple wouldn't be a start says they could care less about anyone interested in RP.
What we are basically being told is that once again CCP is falling into the trap of thinking it has be some sort of big game play element. This lets them rationalize putting this off long term. Based on recent "major game play improvements" like the POCO I am not so confident their idea of compelling ambulation game play can be expected to be a good thing.
"Well sure, we could open the door but we don't think it would be compelling..... blah blah blah".
We don't need anything major, some common spaces would be simple and a good start. CCP, show us you actually will open the door and start with something simple. A corp lounge for example. Until I actually see some example of more than one of us in a room at once I don't believe CCP is intending to ever open the door (or even can with the current engine).
CCP, don't over think this, start simple, even if it is just some experiments on the test server to see what we think.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.17 22:13:00 -
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And thanks everyone for making this the biggest thread on the new forums!!!
CCP, this should tell you there are folks paying you money that want that door opened in their lifetime.
Issler |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.17 22:19:00 -
[2831] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:As for posting threads for WiS ideas in 'Features & Ideas Discussion' forum, there's already been quite a few different ones posted. It probably be a good idea if CCP made a sticky thread asking for players to post ideas for WiS gameplay content. Then the various ideas would all be located in one area for easy reference. However, while I was browsing the 'Features & Ideas Discussion' sub forum channel, I noticed there was a definite lack of interaction by CCP. Thanks for taking the time to scour the sub-forum to find all those threads! Hopefully you should see an uptake in participation as we really get rolling on this and throw some ideas and questions out. I'm reluctant to start commenting on specific ideas and their relative merits because there are literally almost as many as there are users posting on here. It can be too easy to get sucked into the rabbit hole. I think it's likely we will use that sub-forum to gain focused feedback though.
No problem, there's a lot more threads scattered throughout the different sub forums that contain ideas for WiS content, if you plan on making 'Features & Ideas Discussion' the main sub forum for this, probably be a good idea to post a 'Sticky' in each sub forum channel directing players to post there. Not everyone reads or posts in 'General Discussion' due to obvious reasons. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.17 22:46:00 -
[2832] - Quote
Is it worthwhile starting an Incarna version of the 'papercuts' thread? There are a number of small tweaks to the captains quarters itself that I think would be worthwhile (for example being able to disable the tutorial adverts on the screens, or have them disable themselves once you've done them, or once your character reaches a certain age). I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.17 22:52:00 -
[2833] - Quote
Also the 'war room' idea is epic. Whomever came up with that idea is surely a visionary and should quickly be offered employment at CCP. :P I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.01.17 23:15:00 -
[2834] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:My point about this being a "throw us a bone answer" is simple. What we have been told that there are 5 folks, mostly in a maintenance capacity the only "new" WiS content is decorations for the Captains Cell and some new NEX stuff.
I am very happy we are being talked to but I'm disappointed in what I am hearing because I interpret the response as not much different that WiS is dead. They would have to have some folks maintaining WiS and mostly this is what it sounds like we have.
We are then told they are also trying to find a way to make ambulation "compelling" and "relevant". There were dozens of suggestions in this thread alone. If they think something simple wouldn't be a start says they could care less about anyone interested in RP.
What we are basically being told is that once again CCP is falling into the trap of thinking it has be some sort of big game play element. This lets them rationalize putting this off long term. Based on recent "major game play improvements" like the POCO I am not so confident their idea of compelling ambulation game play can be expected to be a good thing.
"Well sure, we could open the door but we don't think it would be compelling..... blah blah blah".
We don't need anything major, some common spaces would be simple and a good start. CCP, show us you actually will open the door and start with something simple. A corp lounge for example. Until I actually see some example of more than one of us in a room at once I don't believe CCP is intending to ever open the door (or even can with the current engine).
CCP, don't over think this, start simple, even if it is just some experiments on the test server to see what we think.
Issler
My own personal guess is that Incarna was never a feature. They were working on WoD so they needed that technology, so they developed it and then they co-opted it for EVE, or tried so. But, in a deep level, Incarna never existed and the "Forever EVE" vid was PR bullshit. There never were WiS plans, but Wod plans and using EVE as a test ground for that technology.
Now they can't develop WoD and WiS is back to square one. They don't even have any multiplayer technology for the CQ.
My hunch is that WiS is vaporware... now with 5 poor devs thrown at it to keep us happy talking about it, but, not something really in the plans once that WoD has been shelved sine die.
Now i am gonna parse through the minutes, but don't expect anything good coming out of them. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
66
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Posted - 2012.01.17 23:41:00 -
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Note: This is for a large part a rewrite from a few pages back, done because CCP Bayeshian will (hopefully) notice the questions.
Hmm, well, I don't know about other folks, but I care about as much about visual additions as I did about the racial CQ's: not much at all. So I really hope that that is not what you think we will enjoy. On the other hand, if you have NeX items ready to be deployed, I see no reason to not do so. However, what is lacking in Incarna is gameplay and interaction. No amount of furniture/clothes will change that.
I get the idea that you (CCP) for some reason are back to the drawing board, as if a lot of the ideas you've had for this are no good anymore. This is something that baffles a lot of players, as you seemed to have plenty of good ideas, even back in 2008. I wonder what you people think was wrong with Incarna as you had intended to release it this winter, and why. Was it technical issues? Did you think the players wouldn't like the Incarna features because of the uproar last summer? What will be done differently than you had originally planned? There was a graphical representation of the workload of "Incarna": ~1/4 character creator, ~1/2 CQ, ~1/4 the rest (multiplayer stuff). Is this still a valid representation? What would be the shortest time before a multiplayer avatar enviroment will come to TQ, and what the longest?
I am glad that the CCP is finally talking to us again, and that now at least some people are working/planning on WiS. But... Feel free to forward my sentiment here to upper management, mostly paragraphs 2 and 5. |
Nyssa Litari
Doomheim
36
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Posted - 2012.01.17 23:56:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:{snip} On the other hand, if you have NeX items ready to be deployed, I see no reason to not do so. {snip} One potentially good reason not to release the other clothing they already have is they're trying to figure out how to release clothing and the other NeX items without the NeX (like LP stores, for example). More likely, they're taking time to revamp the pricing (as they've mentioned) first before they turn them loose. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2012.01.18 00:23:00 -
[2837] - Quote
Thanks for setting up team Avatar. I'm not sure how many Devs work on content, but my guess is 5 people represents a fraction of the total that is close to the fraction of players who want Incarna developed.
Ideas: Move the pod from the bottom of the stairs to where the "undock" button is, and make the pod be the undock button. When we dock have the avatar appear right in front of the pod and take a few steps forward to get close to the ship hologram. When we undock have the avatar walk to the pod. If its far away, the avatar may not make it there before the screen blacks, but at least its better than now. Then add some lore in a chonicle, like:
"When you get in your pod nanites quickly disassemble your clothes and store them in the pod. The pod is filled and you are 'plugged in'. While this happens your pod flies from the balcony to your ship, and your ship undocks.
Upon docking the pod is drained and you are cleaned and dried by nanites. Your stored clothing is then reassembled on your body by the nanites. In seconds you are ready to step out of the pod, fully cleaned and clothed, and onto the balcony."
Player created Incarna items: Give us tools for designing clothing, accessories, CQ decorations and furniture. To handle the TTP issue: It has to be vetted by CCP. The player "pays" for this vetting with Aurum. As Aurum is basically created with real money, this pays for the salary of the CCP vetter. If the creation is dubbed acceptable the player gets a BPO for the item.
Eve runs on a one second cycle, dictated by the size of the earth, the speed of light and the fact that players are everywhere. This makes actual combat with avatars difficult. (I think Dust will have distributed servers to get around this). But we can still have Incarna PvP activities: Gambling in establishments. And what should we gamble on in a spaceship game? How about spaceships?
Give us a way to have contests with spaceships that can be viewed on a big screen in an establishment and gambled upon. Races, EW football, all out combat. I'm not a fan of a instanced area where nothing is risked. I think it should be a deadspace area where certain rules are enforced by the game to allow these contests. (Why the game and not players? Because that would be so much effort that few, if anyone, would do it).
Multi-avatar environments need testing. In the short term at least make common areas for us role players. We generate content on our own, and there are enough of us for testing purposes, assuming its on TQ. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Hanoch Wheel
Free Wheeling Industries
31
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Posted - 2012.01.18 01:58:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote: ...
The Sports Arena - Able to play competitive first person style sports with your mates. ...
Mindcrash mini-game?
Caldari sport from the novels to those of you not acquainted.
And FYI good to hear from you Team Avatar. Good luck on this perilous journey of redeeming Incarna. |
Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
78
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Posted - 2012.01.18 02:29:00 -
[2839] - Quote
Can I please invite a friend to my CQ? |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.18 02:45:00 -
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CCP Bayeshian. Will you be looking at the ability to invite other players to your CQ? This at least would show that multi avatar environments are indeed possible, and give you the chance to start dealing with any issues have multiple avatars in a single location might raise.
It might be a good idea to promote this as a 'beta' feature. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Nikita Keriget
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 02:49:00 -
[2841] - Quote
Glad to hear there is still at least some investment ongoing.
My biggest request would be to port over clothing options from the old character creator. There were a lot of distinctive outfits and accessories that I miss dearly. |
Beaches
10
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Posted - 2012.01.18 03:00:00 -
[2842] - Quote
I think, for one you should be able to man station defenses from inside the station (using avatars) I also think huge open view ports in social areas would bring people together if not just for the view over the docking bay, but to see war targets or bubbles.
Boom, simple reasons to use avatars, very simple reason to go to the same place, of course this is just one element which could be built upon. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.18 06:24:00 -
[2843] - Quote
I think the CQ should remain a private sanctuary that we can customize anyway we want with plants, pets, trophy's, servants, etc. To show it off to other players, it could have a Vid Phone option in the CQ which would allow others to view you in your CQ. That way the CQ will always be a safe heaven. The station should have other areas set up for more personal Avatar interaction.
Ever see the movie 'Soylent Green'?
Charlton Heston stars as a Detective investigating the death of a rich and powerful Corporate leader who lived in a posh apartment complex stocked with hard to get food, paper products, plants and "furniture", one of which was a live-in companion - a woman.
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.01.18 07:53:00 -
[2844] - Quote
I have just startet a thread about the ideas, suggestions and possible enhancements of the CQ itself in the Features & Ideas forum. Maybe some of you like to contribute your own thoughts to it, I just startet to write some of my thoughts there. Would be nice if we could have a place where all ideas about that could be gathered and discussed.
Link
Maybe someone else likes to make a thread about something different, like all ideas and suggestions related to the avatars itself? |
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:22:00 -
[2845] - Quote
Aquila Draco wrote:Nice to see that WiS is a live... Just... 5 people working on it is toooo low number. But... better that than nothing, for now. P.S. This thread is officially the biggest thread on this forum! (until now the biggest was "Rate the Avatar above you" - and that's actually also WiS related thread )
When i read this part, its actually very funny... everybody talk WiS. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
546
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:43:00 -
[2846] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:[...]We're more focused on working out what the compelling vision and gameplay for Incarna in general should be so our art support is minimal.
Good to know your taking the right approach. You have alot of stuff that has been done in the past year from a techical point of view and alot of assets created. Now you need to figure out what to do with it.
If you free yourself from the straightjacket of Aurum and refocus on the older ideas of Ambulation you can create something that links all the gameplay of eve together. Sitting in a station is something that ever Capsuleer does with the exception of WH-dwellers and perhaps even those could enjoy that with the eventual creation of modular stations.
Ambulation had promise, Incarna needs to be ditched. Make engaging gameplay that combines both PI and Space rescources into something worth wild to do in both industrial and social ways and you will have people enjoying stations.
- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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CCP Bayesian
104
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:20:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:I get the idea that you (CCP) for some reason are back to the drawing board, as if a lot of the ideas you've had for this are no good anymore. This is something that baffles a lot of players, as you seemed to have plenty of good ideas, even back in 2008. I wasn't actually here in 2008 but we haven't abandoned any ideas. The idea at the moment is to find and validate the ideas that we think will work best.
Che Biko wrote:I wonder what you people think was wrong with Incarna as you had intended to release it this winter, and why. Was it technical issues? Did you think the players wouldn't like the Incarna features because of the uproar last summer? What will be done differently than you had originally planned? A little from column A and a little from column B. What we are doing differently is setting up a strong direction and goal for Incarna through prototyping. A lot of our issues in the development effort of the last year stem from not realising as a company what we actually needed in terms of technology, time and resources but still needing to hit firm dates. Working through a proper pre-production cycle allows us to make those known unknowns more clear as well as proving our gameplay features.
Che Biko wrote:There was a graphical representation of the workload of "Incarna": ~1/4 character creator, ~1/2 CQ, ~1/4 the rest (multiplayer stuff). Is this still a valid representation? I've not seen it so I couldn't really comment on the rationale used at the time but to me the meat of the remaining work is the multiplayer stuff.
Che Biko wrote:What would be the shortest time before a multiplayer avatar enviroment will come to TQ, and what the longest? This is a bit of a 'how long is a piece of string' question but the answer is really dependent on the priority Incarna is given by CCP Unifex.
EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Jarnis McPieksu
364
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:34:00 -
[2848] - Quote
A new game feature needs...
- Gameplay.
- Gameplay.
- Gameplay.
- (Art, shiny bits, tech)
You did the less important fourth bit first without the three important parts before it. For the most part the ambitious quality targets were met - the avatars really are head and shoulders above the junk most MMOs push these days.
But it shipped without any gameplay. So it was pointless. The only "gameplay" element was "spend $$$, buy AUR, buy clothes that nobody else can see". That is beyond weaksauce and whoever greenlighted it should've been keelhauled already.
If you are now figuring out the gameplay, make sure you figure it all out (no just type "minigames and stuff" somewhere) including how it properly ties to EVE as a whole. If it takes time, then it takes time.
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Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:38:00 -
[2849] - Quote
You said that Team Avatar is made up by 5 guys and gals right now (*fights the urge to call you "Team Power Rangers"*) . Who are the other 4? (And when will you be joined by a 6th Ranger? ) |
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CCP Bayesian
104
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:44:00 -
[2850] - Quote
Sakura Imoru wrote:You said that Team Avatar is made up by 5 guys and gals right now (*fights the urge to call you "Team Power Rangers"*) . Who are the other 4? (And when will you be joined by a 6th Ranger? )
We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn
EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1040
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:03:00 -
[2851] - Quote
It is really important that you put there something for the alliances and corporations to aim for.
I could not think any better carrot than upgradeable corporation/alliance quarters and accessories. This is where aur could be used but aur needs also to be made tradeable at least between corporation members.
If alliances could pimp their quarters, keep briefings there and offer some kind of entertainment for members, I think that the pvp community would accept the concept much more easily also.
Get |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
546
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:15:00 -
[2852] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Sakura Imoru wrote:You said that Team Avatar is made up by 5 guys and gals right now (*fights the urge to call you "Team Power Rangers"*) . Who are the other 4? (And when will you be joined by a 6th Ranger? ) We have in no particular order: Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian QA: CCP RedDawn
I'v always liked t0rfifrans and what I heared from Flying scotsman was good. So thats a small but very decent team.
and really, no more aur ideas/stories, its not an enabler of anything, it constricts the entire idea of ambulation. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:18:00 -
[2853] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:Sakura Imoru wrote:You said that Team Avatar is made up by 5 guys and gals right now (*fights the urge to call you "Team Power Rangers"*) . Who are the other 4? (And when will you be joined by a 6th Ranger? ) We have in no particular order: Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian QA: CCP RedDawn I'v always liked t0rfifrans and what I heared from Flying scotsman was good. So thats a small but very decent team. Agreed. And since quality is way better then quantity, I think we can expect some very nice things from Team Avatar. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:49:00 -
[2854] - Quote
"RUNNING" in stations, a cover system, using a gun to blow your enemies face off. Design WiS to be part of the SOV system. After reinforcing a station we should have to board the station and take over certain objectives while the current owners defend it before it is ours. THAT would make WiS meaningful and part of the core of EvEs PVP. When it comes to highsec, killing someone in the station would have the same effect as it does in space. Guns pop out of the walls and guards fill you with tungsten rounds. Bounty hunting in stations! There is so much that can be done with stations...tie it in with PvP and 0 sec SOV.
When it comes to how combat should play out in stations either take a queue from Mass Effect, Gears, Uncharted... and use a third person view with cover system or do a first person with cover system. Or both...personally I think a more Mass Effect feel would be perfect.
Basically give us DUST but in space and in stations! DUST can cover planetary ground stuff...WiS can cover space and in stations stuff.
As for skills you could make skills work just like they do in space. Skills for armor and perhaps shields. A skill for each type of weapon to use, skills for improving reload times and accuracy. ****...this would be awesome!
Oh...also this...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24221&find=unread EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
mkint
793
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:34:00 -
[2855] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:Sakura Imoru wrote:You said that Team Avatar is made up by 5 guys and gals right now (*fights the urge to call you "Team Power Rangers"*) . Who are the other 4? (And when will you be joined by a 6th Ranger? ) We have in no particular order: Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian QA: CCP RedDawn I'v always liked t0rfifrans and what I heared from Flying scotsman was good. So thats a small but very decent team. and really, no more aur ideas/stories, its not an enabler of anything, it constricts the entire idea of ambulation. I wouldn't call that "a decent team" I'd call that "superstars."
That team list makes me less cynical about wis than I've ever been. And I can be pretty damned cynical.
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:When it comes to highsec, killing someone in the station would have the same effect as it does in space. Guns pop out of the walls and guards fill you with tungsten rounds. Station CONCORD needs flame throwers and microwave guns. ppfftt. traditional rounds. As if. |
Rasz Lin
49
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:17:00 -
[2856] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote: I've not seen it so I couldn't really comment on the rationale used at the time but to me the meat of the remaining work is the multiplayer stuff.
:)) The remaining part is the one NO ONE in the industry was able to implement yet :D |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:58:00 -
[2857] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Sakura Imoru wrote:You said that Team Avatar is made up by 5 guys and gals right now (*fights the urge to call you "Team Power Rangers"*) . Who are the other 4? (And when will you be joined by a 6th Ranger? ) We have in no particular order: Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian QA: CCP RedDawn
Some impressive folks for sure, but is "Team Avatar" a part time effort for these folks or is their 100% focus and commitment? If this isn't the only thing they are working on then this is a bit misleading.
Issler |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:13:00 -
[2858] - Quote
I had some thoughts after reading how some players want the ability to walk up and kill others in high sec stations.
I believe being able to run amuck and kill anyone anywhere at anytime in WiS high security stations should not be allowed to happen, unless you jump into a Concord Sanctioned FPS PvP Arena. I think having the ability to actually kill another player in high security stations should be a specialized career path that includes training specific skills with special Implants to help increase the chance of success.
To successfully gank someone in a high sec station, it should be a percent chance based on level of skills trained, implants installed and the level of the high security system. There should also be a limit on the amount of attempts made per target within a set time frame.
This is just an example of the idea. The stats / values can be adjusted.
Assassin Skill - Chance for successful assassination attempt on non-bounty target in high security stations. Allows one attempt per non-bounty target every 24 hours. Each level trained increases chance of success by +15%. Level 1 = +15% Level 5 = +75%
An increase per level of high security system reduces chance of success by -5%. 0.5 system security level = -5% 1.0 system security level = -25%
Executioner Skill - Works in conjunction with Assassin Skill. Allows one attempt per non-bounty target every 24 hours. Each level trained increases chance of success by +5%. Prerequisite = Assassin Level 5 Level 1 = +5% Level 5 = +25%
Vigilante Skill - Chance for successful assassination attempt on bounty target in high security stations. Allows one attempt per bounty target every 24 hours. Each level trained increases chance of success by 15%. Level 1 = +15% Level 5 = +75%
An increase per level of high security system reduces chance of success by -5%. 0.5 system security level = -5% 1.0 system security level = -25%
Enforcer Skill - Works in conjunction with Vigilante Skill. Allows one attempt per bounty target every 24 hours. Each level trained increases chance of success by +5%. Prerequisite = Vigilante Level 5 Level 1 = +5% Level 5 = +25%
'Gallows' Attribute Implants - 5 piece set - Slots 1 to 5 = Each implant has +3 attribute modifier and +3% chance increase for successful assassination attempt on target. Bonus 'Gallows' Hardwiring Implant - Slot 6 = Allows one assassination attempt per target every 24 hours. Prerequisite = Cybernetics Level 5 and Assassin Level 5 or Vigilante Level 5 Full Set = +15% chance of success.
With a full set of implants installed and level 5 trained in both skills of either skill group, the player would have ability to do 3 attempts per target every 24 hours with a 90% chance of success per attempt in a 1.0 high security station.
I was thinking maybe there should be some sort of penalty for a failed attempt, probably like a security status reduction.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:52:00 -
[2859] - Quote
Frankly, I don't see violence as a part of WiS. CCP would implement it in such a way that anyone could be assassinated in station by any griefer. And this game already gives too many opportunities to people whose only aim is to spoil somebody else's fun.
Maybe virtual violence could stick (kind of the holodecks from the ST franchise), but i don't see it suit to EVE.
WiS should be more about socializing (have fun with corpies, or with foreigners who could become corpies), provide support to current gameplay (FAI, Agents' offices, "research labs", "market exchanges"), or provide an alternate "in world" UI to play without the UI overlay, or maybe even allow new in-station professions.
But, a way to kill people against they will... not really buying it. Don't. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:59:00 -
[2860] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Frankly, I don't see violence as a part of WiS. CCP would implement it in such a way that anyone could be assassinated in station by any griefer. And this game already gives too many opportunities to people whose only aim is to spoil somebody else's fun. Maybe virtual violence could stick (kind of the holodecks from the ST franchise), but i don't see it suit to EVE. WiS should be more about socializing (have fun with corpies, or with foreigners who could become corpies), provide support to current gameplay (FAI, Agents' offices, "research labs", "market exchanges"), or provide an alternate "in world" UI to play without the UI overlay, or maybe even allow new in-station professions. But, a way to kill people against they will... not really buying it. Don't. It could be regulated. Perhaps technology inside the stations shuts off weaponry in places where the tech is installed. Perhaps inside a player owned bar a module is in effect that shuts off any weapon making it inoperable. Once you leave that bar the weapon reactivates until you enter another room that has the module in place to disarm it. This would allow for some PvP in certain circumstances. Areas of the station used for capturing or even missions for PvE would be separate from the bazaar area where most people would accumulate and hang out. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:18:00 -
[2861] - Quote
Will there be anything WiS related to get excited over at Fanfest? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:34:00 -
[2862] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Working through a proper pre-production cycle allows us to make those known unknowns more clear as well as proving our gameplay features. If pre-production starts now, I guess the full development will start 2013 at the very earliest and with the amount of content that will be required (equivalent of a typical first person shooter tbh) I don't see anything close to what players have in mind available until 2015-2016 and that assuming a lot of resources are directed to this development.
After all right now we have no WIS content besides a great character creator and a way to display it locally, the engine is sorely lacking. In case people are unaware, the server has no idea information where in the CQ your character is standing/sitting, the only server interaction going on are the buttons. So to implement an "invite a friend to your CQ" feature is pretty much dead in the water even though you can have two avatars rendered next to each other (hey the mirror works), one client will never know if the character controlled by the other client has moved.
I really truly hope that we one day will get something similar to the WIS we had a playable demo of at Fanfest, however I really don't think that will happen until my characters have reached the age of 10 in 2016. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:26:00 -
[2863] - Quote
So much negativity in this thread, on both sides of the fence.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:32:00 -
[2864] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:So much negativity in this thread, on both sides of the fence.
I think the speculation on what CCP can and can't do is probably not helping. Like an earlier poster who speculated that they can't have two avatars in the same space, there is no reason why this can't happen, it's just a matter of priority and resources.
Personally I think enabling the ability to invite avatars into your CQ is a good initial goal, as long as it is expressed to be a 'beta' feature. They could even make it something that players have to opt into, the same as they were going to do for the old 'new' neocom previously. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:21:00 -
[2865] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:So much negativity in this thread, on both sides of the fence. I think the speculation on what CCP can and can't do is probably not helping. Like an earlier poster who speculated that they can't have two avatars in the same space, there is no reason why this can't happen, it's just a matter of priority and resources. Personally I think enabling the ability to invite avatars into your CQ is a good initial goal, as long as it is expressed to be a 'beta' feature. They could even make it something that players have to opt into, the same as they were going to do for the old 'new' neocom previously.
I agree with something simple, other folks in your CQ for example, or as I suggested a corp meeting room. I worry that waiting to come up with "new compelling game play" = never.
Issler |
Sedstr
PWH Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:47:00 -
[2866] - Quote
FiS is important, more important than WiS. Please complete all the FiS work that has been started and not completed.
The main thing I always wanted from WiS above all else, was a window to outside the station, so when I don't have time to do productive stuff, I can just watch ships docking and undocking... and check for camps on the undock.
The avatar system is nice and all, but until there is some interaction between avatars, its just a fancy way of producing a portrait.
Do I really want more mini games? Isn't ship spinning enough? Will I be interested in playing chess, going bowling, playing pool, or flying little spaceship's onto balloons in a station that is filled with other people doing the same thing? Would this detract from the actual game of FiS?
WiS... the method of interaction between EVE and DUST players... Will this be the unlocking of happiness? I'm not sure... Will the majority of WiS features end up supporting the non-highsec community (booster trading/PI actions)... Will WiS end up being as useful as ship spinning in highsec...
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:50:00 -
[2867] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:So much negativity in this thread, on both sides of the fence. I think the speculation on what CCP can and can't do is probably not helping. Like an earlier poster who speculated that they can't have two avatars in the same space, there is no reason why this can't happen, it's just a matter of priority and resources. Personally I think enabling the ability to invite avatars into your CQ is a good initial goal, as long as it is expressed to be a 'beta' feature. They could even make it something that players have to opt into, the same as they were going to do for the old 'new' neocom previously.
Well, that could be a first goal. The point is, they don't have that technology yet. As Mashie put it, the CQ currently is a client-side feature and the only functionality it haves is the in-world UI (holograms).
it's kinda puzzling to try to figure what they did expect to do with Incarna, actually, provided it is a single player client side environment and they don't even have the foundations to make it multiplayer.
A long while ago i stated that the Minmatarr CQ looked like a tech demonstrator for WoD. And that's apparently what it was. Something to show to investors so they buy your idea. But now CCP is very likely running on their own resources, has sacrificed a lot of workforce to get through the October 28th loan return ("I fire 120, you give me X months to finish paying you back"), and without investors there is no room left for developing WoD, WiS, nor anything non-essential -aka DUST 514 and keeping subscribed the noisier EVE customers... which certainly are not the ones slowly turning their backs to the same old drill once it becomes the same old drill to them.
Doh, I would pay to know how's the average lifespan of an account... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
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CCP Bayesian
104
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:06:00 -
[2868] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Will there be anything WiS related to get excited over at Fanfest?
We definitely want to do a roundtable session and of course will all be there to chat with anyway. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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CCP Bayesian
104
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:14:00 -
[2869] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Well, that could be a first goal. The point is, they don't have that technology yet. As Mashie put it, the CQ currently is a client-side feature and the only functionality it haves is the in-world UI (holograms).
it's kinda puzzling to try to figure what they did expect to do with Incarna, actually, provided it is a single player client side environment and they don't even have the foundations to make it multiplayer.
There is a lot more there on the technology side than is visible in the current Incarna feature set. There's also a lot more work to do though. To ease some of the more worried minds I can say that we have had multiple avatars walking around in the same environment together. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:15:00 -
[2870] - Quote
@ CCP Bayesian
Just out of interest, if CCP were to give you unlimited resources - what sort of features would you like to see implemented, first in CQ and later in the more open public area (area).
Just looking for your (team avatar's) persnoal wishlist not any promises |
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:16:00 -
[2871] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Just looking for your (team avatar's) persnoal wishlist not any promises Well if the meat locker for storing corpses isn't at the top of the list I will be greatly dissappointed.
Also good to hear that multi avatar support is in there somewhere, maybe we can get CQ visitors before 2013 after all. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:24:00 -
[2872] - Quote
Just noticed that our more vocal WiS-trololol-SpaceBarbie-Haters haven't trolled for 5 pages in a row now. Team Avatar's first major success
fake ninja edit for typo *whistles innocently* |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.19 11:04:00 -
[2873] - Quote
Sakura Imoru wrote:Just noticed that our more vocal WiS-trololol-SpaceBarbie-Haters haven't trolled for 5 pages in a row now. Team Avatar's first major success
Fixed it for you.
Yeah, props to Team Avatar for that. \o/
I wish them all good luck and much success in the future development of WiS. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1376
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Posted - 2012.01.19 12:06:00 -
[2874] - Quote
Inappropriate posts removed. Please behave and post constructively.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2012.01.19 13:25:00 -
[2875] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: I am very happy we are being talked to but I'm disappointed in what I am hearing because I interpret the response as not much different that WiS is dead.
the response is "WiS is back to preproduction", not "WiS is dead"
and that's the only response that makes sense:
CCP developed WiS tech because they had to do it for WoD anyways. However, they lacked an achievable vision for what WiS would actually be in terms of gameplay. Now they have half-finished tech and still no actual gameplay concept; so it's time to go back and catch up on the preproduction phase they missed (or messed up) the first time.
This video talks informatively about the problem:
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/the-pre-production-problem
there is no point to get more people involved until WiS is back to actual production.
edit: CCP Bayesian wrote: A little from column A and a little from column B. What we are doing differently is setting up a strong direction and goal for Incarna through prototyping. A lot of our issues in the development effort of the last year stem from not realising as a company what we actually needed in terms of technology, time and resources but still needing to hit firm dates. Working through a proper pre-production cycle allows us to make those known unknowns more clear as well as proving our gameplay features.
haha, should have read this post before wasting time to write my reply but nice to see my reading of the situation was almost spot on. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
546
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Posted - 2012.01.19 13:27:00 -
[2876] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Just looking for your (team avatar's) persnoal wishlist not any promises Well if the meat locker for storing corpses isn't at the top of the list I will be greatly dissappointed. Also good to hear that multi avatar support is in there somewhere, maybe we can get CQ visitors before 2013 after all.
I vote a small but stylish gallery of favorite corpses to be displayed inside the privacy of the pod room as shown in the Incarna trailer.
A more extensive, "freezer" could be located where the current pod resides or something or underneath the walkway. But then only in your "homestation" I assume, where you actually keep all your corpses!
Either way, seconded. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
976
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Posted - 2012.01.19 13:38:00 -
[2877] - Quote
If CCP had unlimited resources, then WiS would be the best damned thing ever.
I propose that CCP build a base within the Eyjafjallaj+¦kull volcano. Then, they threaten the world with eruption of the volcano, by use of a Device(TM). After a tidy 5 x 10^4500 ISK donation, CCP will buy out the world, and direct all international production towards EVE.
Finally, we will have exotic dancers and a corpse room. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.01.19 13:57:00 -
[2878] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Well, that could be a first goal. The point is, they don't have that technology yet. As Mashie put it, the CQ currently is a client-side feature and the only functionality it haves is the in-world UI (holograms).
it's kinda puzzling to try to figure what they did expect to do with Incarna, actually, provided it is a single player client side environment and they don't even have the foundations to make it multiplayer. There is a lot more there on the technology side than is visible in the current Incarna feature set. There's also a lot more work to do though. To ease some of the more worried minds I can say that we have had multiple avatars walking around in the same environment together.
Oh, that's good news! Thank you! EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:49:00 -
[2879] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Just looking for your (team avatar's) persnoal wishlist not any promises Well if the meat locker for storing corpses isn't at the top of the list I will be greatly dissappointed. Also good to hear that multi avatar support is in there somewhere, maybe we can get CQ visitors before 2013 after all. I vote a small but stylish gallery of favorite corpses to be displayed inside the privacy of the pod room as shown in the Incarna trailer. A more extensive, "freezer" could be located where the current pod resides or something or underneath the walkway. But then only in your "homestation" I assume, where you actually keep all your corpses! Either way, seconded. What I really want is a miniprofession to convert corpses to heads in pickle jars. I mean we can already get various NPCs heads in jars, now we just need to have a podpilot option as well. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:51:00 -
[2880] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Just looking for your (team avatar's) persnoal wishlist not any promises Well if the meat locker for storing corpses isn't at the top of the list I will be greatly dissappointed. Also good to hear that multi avatar support is in there somewhere, maybe we can get CQ visitors before 2013 after all. I vote a small but stylish gallery of favorite corpses to be displayed inside the privacy of the pod room as shown in the Incarna trailer. A more extensive, "freezer" could be located where the current pod resides or something or underneath the walkway. But then only in your "homestation" I assume, where you actually keep all your corpses! Either way, seconded. What I really want is a miniprofession to convert corpses to heads in pickle jars. I mean we can already get various NPCs heads in jars already, now we just need to have a podpilot option as well.
Liked, just for the epicness of this idea |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:18:00 -
[2881] - Quote
I think an interesting establishment would be the "Trading Floor".
Market Exchange/Stock Exchange/Fruit Market style establishment where there's a very fluid sense of "trading" rather than just from brokers.
There could be a few ways to visualize this, but basically you would need to develop some pretty interesting trading system - where maybe you have a Broker NPC who basically "flashes" on a LCD screen a product for 10 seconds and everyone on the "floor" can bid on the items. Then the transaction is completed.
Alternately, you can then have ways for people to do an "open trading" mechanism - where let's say there's a "Trading table" where you can lay down "items" (represenations of items) and then people can put down offers by clicking and dragging to what they want to do.
So let's say I put down A raven, a rifter and a dominix navy issue - 2 other people join my table. One puts on the trading table 3 Large Shield Extenders, and a Caldari Navy Invulnerability and the other puts on the table Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer.
I can "circle" around the objects I want to trade for my objects. So I circle the Caldari navy Invulnerability and 2 of the 3 LSE's and then offer him 1 raven. It'd become a fluid trading axis, where people can layout interesting trades for each other and see who accepts what and where.
Just a couple interesting ideas for different establishments.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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CCP RedDawn
C C P C C P Alliance
58
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:52:00 -
[2882] - Quote
I have to worry about the sheer amount of corpse chat in this thread.
You are a bunch of dark but lovely people.
On a more serious note though, we will be releasing a dev blog soon to formally introduce Team Avatar and our plans, goals, hopes, fears and our honest optimism towards Incarna v2.
For now though, please keep this amazing thread going with your ideas.
Cheers! Team Avatar |
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Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:55:00 -
[2883] - Quote
CCP RedDawn wrote:I have to worry about the sheer amount of corpse chat in this thread.
You are a bunch of dark but lovely people.
On a more serious note though, we will be releasing a dev blog soon to formally introduce Team Avatar and our plans, goals, hopes, fears and our honest optimism towards Incarna v2.
For now though, please keep this amazing thread going with your ideas.
Cheers!
\\o DEVBLOG \o/ gief nao o//
Hey, what did you expect in a dystopia like New Eden? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:01:00 -
[2884] - Quote
CCP Spitfire wrote:Inappropriate posts removed. Please behave and post constructively.
All 135 pages worth? I applaud you...that must have been a whole day of work... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
621
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:08:00 -
[2885] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:"RUNNING" in stations, a cover system, using a gun to blow your enemies face off. Design WiS to be part of the SOV system. After reinforcing a station we should have to board the station and take over certain objectives while the current owners defend it before it is ours. THAT would make WiS meaningful and part of the core of EvEs PVP. When it comes to highsec, killing someone in the station would have the same effect as it does in space. Guns pop out of the walls and guards fill you with tungsten rounds. Bounty hunting in stations! There is so much that can be done with stations...tie it in with PvP and 0 sec SOV. When it comes to how combat should play out in stations either take a queue from Mass Effect, Gears, Uncharted... and use a third person view with cover system or do a first person with cover system. Or both...personally I think a more Mass Effect feel would be perfect. Basically give us DUST but in space and in stations! DUST can cover planetary ground stuff...WiS can cover space and in stations stuff. As for skills you could make skills work just like they do in space. Skills for armor and perhaps shields. A skill for each type of weapon to use, skills for improving reload times and accuracy. ****...this would be awesome! Oh...also this... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24221&find=unread
Actually, this is an idea that I can get behind, in way:
Tie station assaults into DUST.
Think about it; you have the podpeople shooting at things in space, and then you've got the Space Marines 'on the ground' getting a 'go' to secure the station. Monoclegate: because calling it 'Doorgate' would just be silly. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:15:00 -
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CCP Bayesian wrote: There is a lot more there on the technology side than is visible in the current Incarna feature set. There's also a lot more work to do though. To ease some of the more worried minds I can say that we have had multiple avatars walking around in the same environment together.
That makes me wonder if it would be possible to get some test version into the game rather soon. For example a simple meeting area inside the "Site One" structure of the Arek'Jaalan project. Initially it would be just a meeting area. As that structure was done by the role players, it would be quite sufficient for us, and well received. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:21:00 -
[2887] - Quote
First things first.
Optimize the graphics. As handy as it is to keep my coffee warm by placing my cup on my tower, it does make me a little nervous about what happens when I am in a large room full of other avatars. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:30:00 -
[2888] - Quote
That is an interesting idea...
Open WIS to "pvp" while a null sec outpost is set to "vulnerable". Would be PVP mode, with different types of light weight combat.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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CCP Bayesian
104
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:32:00 -
[2889] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:That makes me wonder if it would be possible to get some test version into the game rather soon. For example a simple meeting area inside the "Site One" structure of the Arek'Jaalan project. Initially it would be just a meeting area. As that structure was done by the role players, it would be quite sufficient for us, and well received.
To be brutally honest this is the gulf between having done it and having a lot more work to do in order to make it something we'd feel comfortable releasing. That's not to say we won't try putting multiplayer environments out on Singularity to see how well they work but we can't make any promises as to when that would be or if we even will before the technology is improved. The size of the team working on this feature is pretty prohibitive in that regard. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Kusanagi Kasuga
Ferocious Felines
22
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:38:00 -
[2890] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:That makes me wonder if it would be possible to get some test version into the game rather soon. For example a simple meeting area inside the "Site One" structure of the Arek'Jaalan project. Initially it would be just a meeting area. As that structure was done by the role players, it would be quite sufficient for us, and well received. To be brutally honest this is the gulf between having done it and having a lot more work to do in order to make it something we'd feel comfortable releasing. That's not to say we won't try putting multiplayer environments out on Singularity to see how well they work but we can't make any promises as to when that would be or if we even will before the technology is improved. The size of the team working on this feature is pretty prohibitive in that regard.
Could you help us understand just what happened to cause the incarna features of the past to fall so dramatically behind expectations, it would also help us understand what we can expect in the future. Given how much dev-time and money was thrown at it, the community was really jarred by what actually hit TQ. I believe there are some who suspect that there was some really big unexpected problem with the carbon avatar technology, which prevented any progress on other of the expected feature set over the course of the development on Incarna. |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:49:00 -
[2891] - Quote
Still working on that wish list CCP Bayesian or are you not allowed to post stuff like that?
Ps. I agree with the above. You should add multiplayer WiS to sisi so you can get direct feedback and the community can help u develop the feature further. WIS couldn't possibley fail (again) if you did that. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
621
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:51:00 -
[2892] - Quote
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote: Could you help us understand just what happened to cause the incarna features of the past to fall so dramatically behind expectations, it would also help us understand what we can expect in the future. Given how much dev-time and money was thrown at it, the community was really jarred by what actually hit TQ. I believe there are some who suspect that there was some really big unexpected problem with the carbon avatar technology, which prevented any progress on other of the expected feature set over the course of the development on Incarna.
Speaking as a fly-on-the-wall, I think that CCP just set their sights too high with Incarna; they made a noble effort in 18 months, and ultimately had a 'feature-complete' release available, but they simply tried to do too much at once and didn't properly succeed at any of it.
Add in a few huge PR missteps, and CCP radically scaled back their plans, which left Incarna (pardon the pun) 'in the dust' while they reassessed what they were trying to do. Monoclegate: because calling it 'Doorgate' would just be silly. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:02:00 -
[2893] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote: We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn
\o/ Team Avatar \o/
CCP RedDawn wrote:I have to worry about the sheer amount of corpse chat in this thread.
You are a bunch of dark but lovely people.
On a more serious note though, we will be releasing a dev blog soon to formally introduce Team Avatar and our plans, goals, hopes, fears and our honest optimism towards Incarna v2.
For now though, please keep this amazing thread going with your ideas.
Cheers!
Hello CCP RedDawn, yeah it seems like a few players are into Necromancy.
From the post by CCP Bayesian it appears you're in charge of QA. I certainly hope that means 'Quality Assurance' and not 'Questions and Answers'.
Anyway, I'd like to request that all aspects of future WiS content be fully inspected and thoroughly tested before being released. In other words, please do not rush out any unfinished content. If it takes a little bit longer, than that's what it takes.
I'm sure other players will agree, we want a 'Commitment to Excellence' than have another fiasco because of rushed unfinished content.
Thank you for posting, good luck and much success to Team Avatar.
P.S. Incarna v2?
I hate to say this but that word, name, term, etc. has been very badly tainted due to past events and really should be changed.
Maybe call it something like 'Reanimate'? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:16:00 -
[2894] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:First things first.
Optimize the graphics. As handy as it is to keep my coffee warm by placing my cup on my tower, it does make me a little nervous about what happens when I am in a large room full of other avatars.
I play on a Mac and the cider emulator almost always runs the graphics card flat out, all the time. What happens when a more complex scene needs to be rendered is low FPS. Unoptimized graphics will not make your card run hotter in a multi-avatar environment, it will just result in a slide show of low fps.
CCP Bayesian, I can see the issue. Incarna may have something like 100 Dev-months of work left before its complete. When there were 50 Devs working on it this did not look too bad. But now with just 5.......
That is why I wonder if the effort can be de-scoped to the absolute bare minimum, just to give us something.
You may be worried that this repeats history. The initial release of Incana was highly de-scoped, resulting in rage. But that was because so much effort was put into it, and all we got was a de-scoped feature. If a small team does a small feature, its much more acceptable and understandable. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:35:00 -
[2895] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: P.S. Incarna v2?
I hate to say this but that word, name, term, etc. has been very badly tainted due to past events and really should be changed.
I hate to say it.... but I can't resist.
Eve Online - Incursion 2.0: WiS strikes back |
Danica Duan
Kronos TEchnologies
11
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:41:00 -
[2896] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:[quote=DeMichael Crimson] P.S. Incarna v2?
I hate to say this but that word, name, term, etc. has been very badly tainted due to past events and really should be changed.
I hate to say it.... but I can't resist.
Eve Online - Incursion 2.0: WiS strikes back
I'm partial to Reintarnation: http://www.unwords.com/unword/reintarnation.html
Granted, this would require the modeling of missing teeth... |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:45:00 -
[2897] - Quote
As I look over the members of Team Avatar, one names stands out. I remember this person boasting the virtues of the Nex store during the last Alliance Tournament. Numerous forum threads were posted about how buying a reskinned Scorpion without a trade-in ship were raised and how this would place a real life price onto minerals (and thus everything within the game). While the coding was not there for the exchange, at one point it seemed CCP was ready to push it through under the Nex banner until uproars began. So unless there has been a change in the mindset, I need to ask -
How much of the (new and improved) Walking In Stations will be pure (and free) and how much will require Nex purchases? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:56:00 -
[2898] - Quote
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:That makes me wonder if it would be possible to get some test version into the game rather soon. For example a simple meeting area inside the "Site One" structure of the Arek'Jaalan project. Initially it would be just a meeting area. As that structure was done by the role players, it would be quite sufficient for us, and well received. To be brutally honest this is the gulf between having done it and having a lot more work to do in order to make it something we'd feel comfortable releasing. That's not to say we won't try putting multiplayer environments out on Singularity to see how well they work but we can't make any promises as to when that would be or if we even will before the technology is improved. The size of the team working on this feature is pretty prohibitive in that regard. Could you help us understand just what happened to cause the incarna features of the past to fall so dramatically behind expectations, it would also help us understand what we can expect in the future. Given how much dev-time and money was thrown at it, the community was really jarred by what actually hit TQ. I believe there are some who suspect that there was some really big unexpected problem with the carbon avatar technology, which prevented any progress on other of the expected feature set over the course of the development on Incarna.
As a person who runs software development projects for a living I am puzzled as to how what was delivered was so short of expectations. CCP would have know WiS was off the rails a year ago and should have been adjusting plans and expectations.
But back to something positive, nice to see some solid "Team Avatar" engagement in this thread!
Thanks very much for that!
Issler
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:12:00 -
[2899] - Quote
Danica Duan wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:[quote=DeMichael Crimson] P.S. Incarna v2?
I hate to say this but that word, name, term, etc. has been very badly tainted due to past events and really should be changed.
I hate to say it.... but I can't resist.
Eve Online - Incursion 2.0: WiS strikes back
I'm partial to Reintarnation: http://www.unwords.com/unword/reintarnation.htmlGranted, this would require the modeling of missing teeth...
Very good.
Anyway, I still like Reanimate since the meaning is close without sounding similar to Incarna. Incarnate = embodied in flesh or taking on flesh. Reanimate = to restore to life or revive. |
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CCP RedDawn
C C P C C P Alliance
58
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:29:00 -
[2900] - Quote
@DeMichael Crimson
Indeed I am the Quality Assurance member of the team, but rest assured that all of Team Avatar, and not just myself, care very much for the overall quality of all the features that we release to your good selves in the future.
We all know the failure of releasing unfinished content early and the joy of releasing successful content correctly. Only one of the above experiences has proved to be beneficial to both yourselves, and us. So we know where to aim.
Thanks again for the welcome and for all the positivity that this thread contains.
ps: "Reanimate".... sounds like more corpse chat to me. :) (but we know what you mean) Team Avatar |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:58:00 -
[2901] - Quote
CCP RedDawn wrote:@DeMichael Crimson
Indeed I am the Quality Assurance member of the team, but rest assured that all of Team Avatar, and not just myself, care very much for the overall quality of all the features that we release to your good selves in the future.
We all know the failure of releasing unfinished content early and the joy of releasing successful content correctly. Only one of the above experiences has proved to be beneficial to both yourselves, and us. So we know where to aim.
Thanks again for the welcome and for all the positivity that this thread contains.
ps: "Reanimate".... sounds like more corpse chat to me. :) (but we know what you mean)
I think you just need to go beyond the "Incarna" idea and move on to "HUGZ!!!!" Expansion - because you can now hug your friends.
Except, please do it better than all the stupid MMOs whose "/hug" emote makes you hug empty air... or make you try to aim at some avatar and miss... Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:31:00 -
[2902] - Quote
CCP RedDawn wrote:ps: "Reanimate".... sounds like more corpse chat to me. :) (but we know what you mean) EVE-Online - Dead Men Walking Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:54:00 -
[2903] - Quote
It seems to me we will need more ways to control our avatar than 4 keys and a few 3D buttons. Some sort of Incarna HUD, something to save us from having to type "/shake hands".
http://eve-files.com/dl/251419
That way we will not all have the same expressionless face and can do stuff. I also think its important to include some randomization. Clicking "laugh" should not result in a laugh that is the duplicate of every other laugh expression done by everyone. Also some actions require cooperation from another, like "Shake hands" and "Hug". Both parties have to be in range and select it. "Pray" may require you be in in a particular place (an altar?) and NOT facing another person. Otherwise kneeling down at the foot of another player would quickly become code for...er... well.....
"Sit" would have you walk to the closest place to sit, and do so.
Also a way to pick up objects and put them down is needed.
A test version of this could be added to Sisi even before multi-avatar areas.
As for expansion names, I do not think an expansion name should ever refer to WiS at all. Expansion names should be based on new play features. For example "Interdiction" if we get drugs traded at establishments and player enforement, or "Casino" if we get gambling on spaceship games at establishments. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:56:00 -
[2904] - Quote
EVE Online - Genesis |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:39:00 -
[2905] - Quote
CCP RedDawn wrote:@DeMichael Crimson
Indeed I am the Quality Assurance member of the team, but rest assured that all of Team Avatar, and not just myself, care very much for the overall quality of all the features that we release to your good selves in the future.
We all know the failure of releasing unfinished content early and the joy of releasing successful content correctly. Only one of the above experiences has proved to be beneficial to both yourselves, and us. So we know where to aim.
Thanks again for the welcome and for all the positivity that this thread contains.
ps: "Reanimate".... sounds like more corpse chat to me. :) (but we know what you mean)
Low man on the totem pole eh? You have my sympathy.
Let me know if this sounds right. QA have the most thankless job in existence and usually not very well paying either. Nine times out of ten they go through great lengths to find just about every minor bug in existence doing things most players would never even consider trying.
After that, typically a small portion of them get fixed by the code monkeys due to time constraints and inability to figure out what the hell is causing them, most get forgotten and re-reported later as they continue to show up, and more continue to get created over time. To cope with fast-releasing content like major expansions you usually have to put in a lot of extra crunch time leading up to release that not only borders on worker abuse, but starts to cause delusions about becoming a small humming bird.
All the while the ignorant playerbase looks at the small QA team who is overworked to hell and back and blames them for everything.
Sound about right? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:39:00 -
[2906] - Quote
CCP RedDawn wrote:@DeMichael Crimson
Indeed I am the Quality Assurance member of the team, but rest assured that all of Team Avatar, and not just myself, care very much for the overall quality of all the features that we release to your good selves in the future.
We all know the failure of releasing unfinished content early and the joy of releasing successful content correctly. Only one of the above experiences has proved to be beneficial to both yourselves, and us. So we know where to aim.
Thanks again for the welcome and for all the positivity that this thread contains.
ps: "Reanimate".... sounds like more corpse chat to me. :) (but we know what you mean)
Thanks for the quick reply. Hopefully the rest of the team will help make your job a little bit easier.
I'm sure that if everyone, including upper management, has the 'Commitment To Excellence' attitude and delivers within a reasonable time frame, we the player base will be very much surprised, amazed, happy and grateful for CCP's hard work.
P.S. Well, guess I was 'Dead' tired when I made that suggestion.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:12:00 -
[2907] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Well, that could be a first goal. The point is, they don't have that technology yet. As Mashie put it, the CQ currently is a client-side feature and the only functionality it haves is the in-world UI (holograms).
it's kinda puzzling to try to figure what they did expect to do with Incarna, actually, provided it is a single player client side environment and they don't even have the foundations to make it multiplayer. There is a lot more there on the technology side than is visible in the current Incarna feature set. There's also a lot more work to do though. To ease some of the more worried minds I can say that we have had multiple avatars walking around in the same environment together.
If you include a video of multiple avatars in the same environment in the upcoming devblog, I'm sure it will be well recieved (and shut up some trolls .. for a while). I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Sheik Nanook
Villanova Junction
7
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:34:00 -
[2908] - Quote
CCP Oveur, 460 days ago:
"Personally, I'm looking forward for gambling... I'd like to see people gambling their Titans away..."
Well guess what, so do I... |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:42:00 -
[2909] - Quote
Sheik Nanook wrote:CCP Oveur, 460 days ago:
"Personally, I'm looking forward for gambling... I'd like to see people gambling their Titans away..."
Well guess what, so do I... Gaming rooms are a must imo. I was thinking about Hold'em and how it could work.
I picture a room with a table much like any other online gaming site. However, this room would be a 3D enviroment(obviously), where you are the only "live" avatar at the table while the others are hologram projections at the table with you.
This would allow you to walk (zone) into a poker room and play with people who are perhaps on another station on the other side of the verse. With this you bypass needing to find people on the same station to play with, and you cut down on resoueces needed to draw the room, as the other players would be simplified renders.
Enter the room, pick a table from a list showing who is at the tables, min/max bets etc etc etc.
There would be a dealer at the table ofc, and ofc the house could take fee of some sort, adding an isk sink.
EVE voice would be great as well. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:46:00 -
[2910] - Quote
Oh sure, I stop checking this thread every day for a few and all the Dev's start posting in it.
My initial thoughts (outside of game development concepts) was pretty well summed up in post #14.
Priorities
It looks like my view at that time and what has come to be are pretty much in sync.
Team Avatar looks like the perfect line up to clean things up and work on the plan... which is exactly what is needed.
This is excellent news... good luck Team Avatar. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
140
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Posted - 2012.01.21 13:23:00 -
[2911] - Quote
There are a huge amount of posts to this thread, (2,706 posts as I wrote this one) and in all honesty, I'd have to say that I've not read all 136 pages. Basically if I repeat something someone else has said/dealt with/etc then I apologise.
This all having been said here's my four pence worth:
I really love playing Eve. For me personally around 60% of the enjoyment of the game is being out in a ship doing stuff, flying, mining, running missions and so my bias is for slightly more Flying In Space, (FiS) improvements.
Having said this I do occasionally dock (!) so I do like the idea of improvements on this front also. However I'm not all interested in being able to play poker with other players, (I really think if this is what interests you you should go elsewhere) or in super flash interior decoration, (which is pretty unnecessary in my view) and only makes the game run slower on my computer, nothing else.
I do occasionally walk around a bit but the worth of being able to do this, is, in my humble opinion, fairly limited. Look I can walk anywhere I like at the moment. I can't fly in space and that's why I play Eve!
What improvements would I like to see?
A cockpit view option would be nice and even useful in some situations;
More precise control of thrusters while in space - how about a click and drag control?
A couple of others:
Much bigger secure cargo containers that can be anchored securely in space for the use of corporation members - 3000 m-¦ is frankly a bit of a joke, (read: a total joke);
More control over the size of fonts and other aspects of the user interface would also be good while you're at it.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:48:00 -
[2912] - Quote
Started a thread to discuss Pre-Production for Incarna HUGZ expansion.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=685061#post685061 Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:43:00 -
[2913] - Quote
I hope that WiS will be out as soon as possible. Without WiS EVE don't have long lifespan. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:48:00 -
[2914] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that WiS will be out as soon as possible. Without WiS EVE don't have long lifespan.
lol, you are cute. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.01.25 12:03:00 -
[2915] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that WiS will be out as soon as possible. Without WiS EVE don't have long lifespan. lol, you are cute.
thnx.
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
170
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Posted - 2012.01.25 12:05:00 -
[2916] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that WiS will be out as soon as possible. Without WiS EVE don't have long lifespan.
An interesting statement about an 8 year old game.
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:15:00 -
[2917] - Quote
Lors Dornick wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that WiS will be out as soon as possible. Without WiS EVE don't have long lifespan. An interesting statement about an 8 year old game.
I am talking about future from now... not form 8 years ago. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:20:00 -
[2918] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that WiS will be out as soon as possible. Without WiS EVE don't have long lifespan. An interesting statement about an 8 year old game. I am talking about future from now... not form 8 years ago.
I can't get on board with that, although I understand the sentiment.
I can easily imagine years and years of future development of EVE's FIS content.
That being said I can also easily envision years and years of WIS content that compliments and enhances that future (and present) FIS content. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:30:00 -
[2919] - Quote
I'll play the sarcastic advocate:
Once WIS is released, Eve as we know it will die.
I do not offer any support for this claim, but you should take it at face value.
If Eve is to grow after being stagnant since its release, then CCP better snap to it soon, or millions upon millions of potential subs will go to the next great Eve killer game - trust me, I know.
Also, I know the winning lottery numbers to tomorrow's drawing, but will tell nobody nor play either. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:38:00 -
[2920] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that WiS will be out as soon as possible. Without WiS EVE don't have long lifespan. An interesting statement about an 8 year old game. I am talking about future from now... not form 8 years ago. I can't get on board with that, although I understand the sentiment. I can easily imagine years and years of future development of EVE's FIS content. That being said I can also easily envision years and years of WIS content that compliments and enhances that future (and present) FIS content.
You mean another 10 years of the same old stuff for the same small brains?
Yea... I can see that.
Incarna 2.0 won't subtract from the FiS crowd, since they wont ever use that side of eve. It'l be like finding hardcore wh/0.0 pvpers in hisec with a hulk, eyeing local like a hawk. Never gonna happen. Incarna 2.0 will however, just add more value to eve and attract a wider fan base.
Can't wait for the days when I don't have to undock at all to make a living. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:43:00 -
[2921] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that WiS will be out as soon as possible. Without WiS EVE don't have long lifespan. An interesting statement about an 8 year old game. I am talking about future from now... not form 8 years ago. I can't get on board with that, although I understand the sentiment. I can easily imagine years and years of future development of EVE's FIS content. That being said I can also easily envision years and years of WIS content that compliments and enhances that future (and present) FIS content. You mean another 10 years of the same old stuff for the same small brains? Yea... I can see that. Incarna 2.0 won't subtract from the FiS crowd, since they wont ever use that side of eve. It'l be like finding hardcore wh/0.0 pvpers in hisec with a hulk, eyeing local like a hawk. Never gonna happen. Incarna 2.0 will however, just add more value to eve and attract a wider fan base. Can't wait for the days when I don't have to undock at all to make a living.
EVE today is radically different in countless ways from when it was released 9 years ago.
Aside from that point, we appear to be somewhat in agreement. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:49:00 -
[2922] - Quote
Sorry, but, game can not live from fixes. Game need new game inside it to live again.
EVE didn't have proper expansion for years now. And you can see where that lead.
I think that WiS, if done well, is the only thing that can save EVE now. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:55:00 -
[2923] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote: Can't wait for the days when I don't have to undock at all to make a living.
You mean exactly like I already do with this toon and the appropriate skills? Doc has not undocked in years.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:56:00 -
[2924] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote: EVE didn't have proper FIS expansion for years now. And you can see where that lead.
Fixed that for you.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:56:00 -
[2925] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Sorry, but, game can not live from fixes. Game need new game inside it to live again.
EVE didn't have proper expansion for years now. And you can see where that lead.
I think that WiS, if done well, is the only thing that can save EVE now. You are so pessimistic. A good sandbox does not need much new content from the developers. Just look at the sandboxes our kids play in. They work because all the meaningful content is generated by the kids themself. The rest is just sand. EVE is not much different unless you are an incursionbear. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:14:00 -
[2926] - Quote
A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:55:00 -
[2927] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.
This.
It does not need sand taken out (the kids who can't play nice will do that themselves), or have the sandbox reduced to a sub cap only PvP sandfort box, which is the current case with our new FiS only pew pew direction. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:27:00 -
[2928] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.
Keep saying that over and over again and you will start to believe in it.
Players need fresh content, always new content.
In a sandbox PvP game all the meaningful content is generated by the players. There is always new content, every single day, unless you are an incursionbear. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:28:00 -
[2929] - Quote
double post |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:05:00 -
[2930] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.
No, a good sandbox needs new toys (bucket and spade) to keep things fresh and exciting. Changing the sand every now and again should be done without question, if you don't want your kid to play in filth. |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:37:00 -
[2931] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Nova Fox wrote:A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand. No, a good sandbox needs new toys (bucket and spade) to keep things fresh and exciting. Changing the sand every now and again should be done without question, if you don't want your kid to play in filth.
Im sorry but your backyard sandcastle will never compete with the massive beach sand castles you keep seeing being built in much larger boxes unless you get more sand. That spade can only dig so deep before you start hitting something that isnt sand and is not as fun to play with and running out of sand is the most horrific thing that can happen.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:40:00 -
[2932] - Quote
Really guys? (Rek Seven and Nova Fox) I think you are both right. New sand, more sand, bigger box, more toys, new toys. All of it leads to a better sandbox. We just need to keep the trolls out so they will stop shitting in our sand. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:17:00 -
[2933] - Quote
double post |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:18:00 -
[2934] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Nova Fox wrote:A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand. No, a good sandbox needs new toys (bucket and spade) to keep things fresh and exciting. Changing the sand every now and again should be done without question, if you don't want your kid to play in filth. Im sorry but your backyard sandcastle will never compete with the massive beach sand castles you keep seeing being built in much larger boxes unless you get more sand. That spade can only dig so deep before you start hitting something that isnt sand and is not as fun to play with and running out of sand is the most horrific thing that can happen.
So you are basically saying that EVE would be a better game with 75k star systems instead of 7.5k, with 20k different ships instead of 200, with one miljon different MWDs instead of a couple.
Repeating this "more sand" meme over and over again doesn't make it more true.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:31:00 -
[2935] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Nova Fox wrote:A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand. No, a good sandbox needs new toys (bucket and spade) to keep things fresh and exciting. Changing the sand every now and again should be done without question, if you don't want your kid to play in filth. Im sorry but your backyard sandcastle will never compete with the massive beach sand castles you keep seeing being built in much larger boxes unless you get more sand. That spade can only dig so deep before you start hitting something that isnt sand and is not as fun to play with and running out of sand is the most horrific thing that can happen.
In the analogy weGÇÖre using here, the sand box represents the entire gaming world. The beach beyond does not exist but if it did, that beach would represent a completely new and improved game.
But like Vertisce said, we're both kind of right. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:35:00 -
[2936] - Quote
I dont want walls of a sanbox constraining me. I want the whole damn beach! give me dump trucks and metal detectors and shovels at that point. maybe a boat too.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:37:00 -
[2937] - Quote
reading this last page sand is is coming out of my pc
There is a big truckload of Sand going over to the FIS sandcastle and i don,t mind.
as long i can use a bucket full of sand for the WIS part in this sandbox
But i don,t know what type of sand is in this bucket,therefore i don,t know how to build a WIS sandcastle
maybe somebody can tell me what type of sand will be in the bucket or will be in that bucket in the future,so a can imagine that sandcastle and the possibility's on how i sculpt it .
Honey,can you pls get the vacuum cleaner ,there is a pile of sand around my pc I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:39:00 -
[2938] - Quote
WIS sand bucket is there may be a year before the stuff they're trowing in it is dry enough to make a castle with.
SiF features are however cooking rather quilcy and will get ther castle up much faster.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:41:00 -
[2939] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Nova Fox wrote:A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand. No, a good sandbox needs new toys (bucket and spade) to keep things fresh and exciting. Changing the sand every now and again should be done without question, if you don't want your kid to play in filth. Im sorry but your backyard sandcastle will never compete with the massive beach sand castles you keep seeing being built in much larger boxes unless you get more sand. That spade can only dig so deep before you start hitting something that isnt sand and is not as fun to play with and running out of sand is the most horrific thing that can happen. So you are basically saying that EVE would be a better game with 75k star systems instead of 7.5k, with 20k different ships instead of 200, with one miljon different MWDs instead of a couple. Repeating this "more sand" meme over and over again doesn't make it more true.
All I hear is woosh because I missed the point I wanted to make.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:51:00 -
[2940] - Quote
I think people who expect deliverables for WIS that meet their expectations happening in the next year have sand in their heads.
If you really think 4 devs and a single QA guy can build and deliver on the stuff you are all expecting, I hate to be the one who pees in your cornflakes, but this is CCP folks. Over-promise and underdeliver is their company mantra. They only scramble when their asses are on the line. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:10:00 -
[2941] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:WIS sand bucket is there may be a year before the stuff they're trowing in it is dry enough to make a castle with.
SiF features are however cooking rather quilcy and will get ther castle up much faster.
don,t mind the big FIS sandcastle ,its how i attach that little WIS sandcastle-tower on it I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:16:00 -
[2942] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:I think people who expect deliverables for WIS that meet their expectations happening in the next year have sand in their heads.
If you really think 4 devs and a single QA guy can build and deliver on the stuff you are all expecting, I hate to be the one who pees in your cornflakes, but this is CCP folks. Over-promise and underdeliver is their company mantra. They only scramble when their asses are on the line.
we could ragequit about that little sandcasstle ,but we don,t want another panic change from CCP ,do we? I think for now that 5 people are just enough to keep us and the rest happy. Just one thing needed ,a introduction blog for that Avatar team and what they expect
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Lyrka Bloodberry
Spybeaver
72
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:41:00 -
[2943] - Quote
The WiS-timeline how it was and how it will be:
- CCP: First announcement: "You will be able to walk in stations soon!" - Pro-WiSers: "Yaaaay!" - Anti-WiSers: "Gonna be crap!"
2 Years later: - CCP: "We are working hard on it! You will be able to walk in stations soon! (But we will introduce it bit by bit...)" - Pro-WiSers: "Long time now, but... well... Yaaaay!" - Anti-WiSers: "Will never finish and gonna be crap!"
2 Years later: - CCP: "Here is the first part of it: You can walk in stations now! (But only in your captains quarters... more to come)" - Pro-WiSers: "Not much yet, but when it gets improved, it's gonna be... Yaaaay!" - Anti-WiSers: "looool! Dat all? You promised sooo much and didn't hold your promise! And what wit dis Monocle? Abort WiS-Project! I want moar flying spaceships, and I want it now! NOW!" *whine* *whine* *whine* *whine* *whine* *whine* *whine* *whine* - Anti-WiSers: "Mkay, will you abort WiS now?" - CCP: "Okay, to hell with WiS, we're doing only spaceships again! BUT: Billy Bob and Cletus here, our guestprogrammers from Nebraska, will further improve WiS!" - CSM: Man, we rock!
Future - 2 Years later: - CCP: "Behold! Our guestprogrammers have implemented... tadaaaaa... Minesweeper on your CQ-Screen! (Oh, and they got fired and we will not further improve WiS, cause the progress in WiS was kinda slow (wonder why...))" - Pro-WiSers: "Ummm... yay?" - Anti-WiSers: "See? Toldcha it's gonna be crap and never finish!"
(Actually I think Minesweeper on the CQ-Screen would be awesome, but you get the idea...) Spybeaver |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.26 18:02:00 -
[2944] - Quote
Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:The WiS-timeline how it was and how it will be:
- CCP: First announcement: "You will be able to walk in stations soon!" - Pro-WiSers: "Yaaaay!" - Anti-WiSers: "Gonna be crap!"
2 Years later: - CCP: "We are working hard on it! You will be able to walk in stations soon! (But we will introduce it bit by bit...)" - Pro-WiSers: "Long time now, but... well... Yaaaay!" - Anti-WiSers: "Will never finish and gonna be crap!"
2 Years later: - CCP: "Here is the first part of it: You can walk in stations now! (But only in your captains quarters... more to come)" - Pro-WiSers: "Not much yet, but when it gets improved, it's gonna be... Yaaaay!" - Anti-WiSers: "looool! Dat all? You promised sooo much and didn't hold your promise! And what wit dis Monocle? Abort WiS-Project! I want moar flying spaceships, and I want it now! NOW!" *whine* *whine* *whine* *whine* *whine* *whine* *whine* *whine* - Anti-WiSers: "Mkay, will you abort WiS now?" - CCP: "Okay, to hell with WiS, we're doing only spaceships again! BUT: Billy Bob and Cletus here, our guestprogrammers from Nebraska, will further improve WiS!" - CSM: Man, we rock!
Future - 2 Years later: - CCP: "Behold! Our guestprogrammers have implemented... tadaaaaa... Minesweeper on your CQ-Screen! (Oh, and they got fired and we will not further improve WiS, cause the progress in WiS was kinda slow (wonder why...))" - Pro-WiSers: "Ummm... yay?" - Anti-WiSers: "See? Toldcha it's gonna be crap and never finish!"
(Actually I think Minesweeper on the CQ-Screen would be awesome, but you get the idea...)
maybe your are right , but can CCP loose face like that?i don,t think so
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Beaches
10
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:03:00 -
[2945] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
maybe your are right , but can CCP loose face like that?i don,t think so
CCP has no pride or dignity.
The game is good right now for what it is, it could be 100x better if it had more depth and immersion. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:49:00 -
[2946] - Quote
I will say this, they should never abandon FIS for WIS they should both have major updates if they ever add in WIS features at the same time.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:12:00 -
[2947] - Quote
It would be awesome if the next expansion for EVE had updates to both FiS and WiS. Given the fact that they have more developers working on EVE than they have in years, I think this may actually be possible. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Kukiri
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:23:00 -
[2948] - Quote
If you click on my info you will see this:
Quote:Member for 3 years, 8 months, 15 days That's how long I've been waiting for WIS. Or Ambulation as it was called when first announced.
To be honest, if all we have after nearly four years is hanging out in a room, I don't have much faith in seeing the door open any time soon. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:28:00 -
[2949] - Quote
How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority!
Voice of Reason Party
Issler |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:45:00 -
[2950] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler
I endorse this message and/or product. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.01.28 20:58:00 -
[2951] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler
I am afraid that's impossible. Large alliances will make their member to vote for only ppl they like and that's it. CSM like idea is broken. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:00:00 -
[2952] - Quote
*goes into voting booth, votes for nader, comes out, scream OBAMA!! social acceptance, yeah! |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
380
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:01:00 -
[2953] - Quote
I'd rather have full industry revamp then more walking in stations. Their art teams could make better looking POS's Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:14:00 -
[2954] - Quote
You really dont put interior designers on making avatars and clothes or thosse artist making space ships really.
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Lady Starfire
State War Academy Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:21:00 -
[2955] - Quote
CCP WHY AM I NOT AS PRETTY WHEN I HAVE TO WALK AROUND IN STATION AS I AM IN MY AVATAR! |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:42:00 -
[2956] - Quote
Lady Starfire wrote:CCP WHY AM I NOT AS PRETTY WHEN I HAVE TO WALK AROUND IN STATION AS I AM IN MY AVATAR!
Because when you were creating your avatar, you clicked on "random" |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
112
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:47:00 -
[2957] - Quote
Lady Starfire wrote:CCP WHY AM I NOT AS PRETTY WHEN I HAVE TO WALK AROUND IN STATION AS I AM IN MY AVATAR! Holy sh*t! That is one ugly avatar. That must have taken a lot of effort, and a strong stomach Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2012.01.29 00:24:00 -
[2958] - Quote
This is what happens when you don't meet the 120hz monitor requirement for nvidia 3D vision. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.29 03:27:00 -
[2959] - Quote
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler I am afraid that's impossible. Large alliances will make their member to vote for only ppl they like and that's it. CSM like idea is broken.
If folks wake up and get involved all the members of the large power blocks combined are a fraction of active accounts.
Players of Eve are starting to see the CSM can change Eve and sometimes in ways they might like want.
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.01.29 05:38:00 -
[2960] - Quote
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler I am afraid that's impossible. Large alliances will make their member to vote for only ppl they like and that's it. CSM like idea is broken. Working as intended.
Players who are active in game and have a large following get elected. There's no in- or out of game mechanism to force anyone to vote; it's all voluntary. Nothing wrong with that. |
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Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.01.29 11:46:00 -
[2961] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler I am afraid that's impossible. Large alliances will make their member to vote for only ppl they like and that's it. CSM like idea is broken. If folks wake up and get involved all the members of the large power blocks combined are a fraction of active accounts. Players of Eve are starting to see the CSM can change Eve and sometimes in ways they might like want. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate
Yea, if all EVE players vote then that is fraction. But when their corp/alliance leaders tell them to vote for that guy "or else"... or "if that guy don't have more then ### votes then" that that ppl must vote for that guy and other free ppl that freely play the game wont vote because they play the game and don't play forums and all candidates are only known to forum ppl.
i think that voting needs to be more integrated in the game. make ppl feel that elected ppl decide about their virtual faith. and, make it that ppl must vote or click i don't want to vote button. Then ppl will see that that matters, that their vote matters.
I hope that you understand... written in the hurry. |
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.01.29 11:48:00 -
[2962] - Quote
Razin wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler I am afraid that's impossible. Large alliances will make their member to vote for only ppl they like and that's it. CSM like idea is broken. Working as intended. Players who are active in game and have a large following get elected. There's no in- or out of game mechanism to force anyone to vote; it's all voluntary. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is that CSM voting, now, is out of game thing. And its not voluntary when your alliance/corp leader tells you that you must vote for that guy "or else". And everything is wrong with that. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:29:00 -
[2963] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler I am afraid that's impossible. Large alliances will make their member to vote for only ppl they like and that's it. CSM like idea is broken. If folks wake up and get involved all the members of the large power blocks combined are a fraction of active accounts. Players of Eve are starting to see the CSM can change Eve and sometimes in ways they might like want. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate If WiS is a priority issue, then I'll support the Voice Of Reason Party with my vote.
To those who supported WiS in this thread, let your voice be heard, If you don't, who do you think will advocate FiS and WiS development? Definitely won't be the current CSM. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
511
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Posted - 2012.01.29 14:15:00 -
[2964] - Quote
If you really want WiS my advice is to find another game prefereably a single player game that has a WiS theme to it to enjoy. It will take a long time to get WiS up. If that is all ya want I wouldnt waste time. Like X3 has caps to play with and soon sins will have titans and newer caps to play with while lvling cap ship skills. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.29 20:05:00 -
[2965] - Quote
Well, I guess you missed the various CCP Dev posts in this thread starting around page 125 with this one:
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me
Then followed a few pages later by another CCP Dev:
CCP Bayesian wrote:Time for some new information on our plans.
Incarna is not dead, it is however on a slight hiatus with much less development effort being put towards it. This is partly due to the refocus on to spaceship gameplay and the War expansion. Mainly it's because we want to take the time to do the gameplay in Incarna right and learn from the mistakes we made in creating the initial release.
The effort is being led by a new, small team inventively named Team Avatar. We're tasked with maintenance and improvement of existing systems, developing new features for the Captains Quarters, NeX Store and Character Creator and prototyping multiplayer gameplay for Incarna. Our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release.
We are interested in your ideas and will trawl this epic thread to see what you guys have been discussing. Any more suggestions would be good to put in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum just so that they are more visible to us.
We'll be coming out with more concrete information on what this all entails soonish but fire away with questions.
That was followed with about 1/2 dozen pages of question and answer time with a sneak preview of Team Avatar:
CCP Bayesian wrote: We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn
Then even more interaction by CCP plus a post from another CCP Dev:
CCP RedDawn wrote:I have to worry about the sheer amount of corpse chat in this thread.
You are a bunch of dark but lovely people.
On a more serious note though, we will be releasing a dev blog soon to formally introduce Team Avatar and our plans, goals, hopes, fears and our honest optimism towards Incarna v2.
For now though, please keep this amazing thread going with your ideas.
Cheers!
After that there was even more interaction between CCP's Team Avatar and Pro-WiS players.
Anyway, I am truly amazed how some people are so quick to post without researching all of the facts. Sure it's gonna take a little while for WiS gameplay content to roll out, but I'm sure everybody would agree that 'Commitment To Excellence' is much more preferred than rushed unfinished content.
One thing is for sure, I'll be damned to let this thread end on a negative note by someone trying to rain on this parade. Obviously you quickly jumped on the wrong Band Wagon without actually hearing the song they were singing.
Like it or not, WiS is here and more content will be developed and expanded on in the future making WiS an integral part of Eve Online.
\o/ Go Team Avatar Go \o/ |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.29 20:16:00 -
[2966] - Quote
Thanks for the hard work Crimson.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.01.29 21:23:00 -
[2967] - Quote
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Razin wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler I am afraid that's impossible. Large alliances will make their member to vote for only ppl they like and that's it. CSM like idea is broken. Working as intended. Players who are active in game and have a large following get elected. There's no in- or out of game mechanism to force anyone to vote; it's all voluntary. Nothing wrong with that. The problem is that CSM voting, now, is out of game thing. And its not voluntary when your alliance/corp leader tells you that you must vote for that guy "or else". And everything is wrong with that. Please enlighten us of the tools the alliance leadership uses to track the voting of the alliance membership (and alts!).
Additionally, please explain how the CSM voting is an "out of game thing" when you have to be a paying subscriber to vote. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.29 23:21:00 -
[2968] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler I am afraid that's impossible. Large alliances will make their member to vote for only ppl they like and that's it. CSM like idea is broken. If folks wake up and get involved all the members of the large power blocks combined are a fraction of active accounts. Players of Eve are starting to see the CSM can change Eve and sometimes in ways they might like want. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate If WiS is a priority issue, then I'll support the Voice Of Reason Party with my vote. To those who supported WiS in this thread, let your voice be heard, If you don't, who do you think will advocate FiS and WiS development? Definitely won't be the current CSM.
I definitely want VOR to keep CCP's feet to the fire when ti comes to ambulation!
Issler |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
|
Posted - 2012.01.30 02:15:00 -
[2969] - Quote
It's great that WiS will be the subject of a roundtable discussion on Fanfest. The only problem is that unfortunately that means players that aren't going to be at Fanfest will miss out on the opporunity to talk about it with the Devs.
Is it possible to organise a 'virtual' roundtable whereby players are able to discuss the future of Incarna? Perhaps you could incorporate a crowd sourcing exercise as part of it to help gauge interest in different proposed features. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
621
|
Posted - 2012.01.30 17:33:00 -
[2970] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:I think people who expect deliverables for WIS that meet their expectations happening in the next year have sand in their heads.
If you really think 4 devs and a single QA guy can build and deliver on the stuff you are all expecting, I hate to be the one who pees in your cornflakes, but this is CCP folks. Over-promise and underdeliver is their company mantra. They only scramble when their asses are on the line.
Richard Garriott programmed Akalabeth by himself in his garage every other weekend.
Colossal Cave Adventure, the first text-adventure, was programmed by one man, refined by another, and set the path of the gaming industry for the next forty years.
Ken and Roberta Williams programmed Mystery House, the very first graphical adventure game, by themselves, sitting in their living room.
Will Wright programmed the original SimCity in his spare time, inspired by a product that he was already working on.
The World Wide Web was the product of one man with a vision.
Teams of '4 devs and a single QA guy' were setting trends in the computer industry more than thirty years ago.
You don't need three hundred people to make a good product. Monoclegate: because calling it 'Doorgate' would just be silly. |
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Sakura Imoru
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:47:00 -
[2971] - Quote
I wonder when this Devblog they promised is going to be published? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:15:00 -
[2972] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Doc Fury wrote:I think people who expect deliverables for WIS that meet their expectations happening in the next year have sand in their heads.
If you really think 4 devs and a single QA guy can build and deliver on the stuff you are all expecting, I hate to be the one who pees in your cornflakes, but this is CCP folks. Over-promise and underdeliver is their company mantra. They only scramble when their asses are on the line. Richard Garriott programmed Akalabeth by himself in his garage every other weekend. Colossal Cave Adventure, the first text-adventure, was programmed by one man, refined by another, and set the path of the gaming industry for the next forty years. Ken and Roberta Williams programmed Mystery House, the very first graphical adventure game, by themselves, sitting in their living room. Will Wright programmed the original SimCity in his spare time, inspired by a product that he was already working on. The World Wide Web was the product of one man with a vision. Teams of '4 devs and a single QA guy' were setting trends in the computer industry more than thirty years ago. You don't need three hundred people to make a good product.
Oddly enough I havent played or heard of any of these games.
Secondly it was a team of 40+ for the first interations of arpa net, millions of tax payers, a gaggle super majority of politicans voting for its demilitarization into commericalization and two guys in a garage coding it as a joke that made it a trend that brought it to every home. Those two guys still send me free CD's every month I use for decorations as an ex customer.
I still think the two guys responsible for google was much more interesting. Then four(5?) guys who started a widely popular video playing website with the self proclaim prophecy that this isnt going to work as thier very first video uploaded to the size. The first of millions.
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Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:16:00 -
[2973] - Quote
Looks like Space Barbie will get more dev time than spaceships ever got while they were working on Incarna for a year and a bit so stop complaining. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:39:00 -
[2974] - Quote
As much as I like incarna I will not vote for any CSM candidate thats running for that as a platform. CCP needs to take incanra slow not shove it down the throats again and I dont want a Eve player being the guys stomping on that wad of paper.
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Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:46:00 -
[2975] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:Looks like Space Barbie will get more dev time than spaceships ever got while they were working on Incarna for a year and a bit so stop complaining.
Some ppl just aren't smart enough to calculate 2+2. that ppl other ppl call dumb. so please don't write again and stop sharing your dumbness. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:47:00 -
[2976] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote: Secondly it was a team of 40+ for the first interations of arpa net, millions of tax payers, a gaggle super majority of politicans voting for its demilitarization into commericalization and two guys in a garage coding it as a joke that made it a trend that brought it to every home. Those two guys still send me free CD's every month I use for decorations as an ex customer.
the post you replied to talked about the world wide web, not about the internet
Usenet, gopher, WWW, email, ... are all just services offered on/over the internet.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.30 21:48:00 -
[2977] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:Looks like Space Barbie will get more dev time than spaceships ever got while they were working on Incarna for a year and a bit so stop complaining.
Any one complaining here? not me lets wait for that blog they promised and see what they have in mind
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.30 21:49:00 -
[2978] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:As much as I like incarna I will not vote for any CSM candidate thats running for that as a platform. CCP needs to take incanra slow not shove it down the throats again and I dont want a Eve player being the guys stomping on that wad of paper.
Don't you think it would be valuable to have a CSM member that encourages CCP to keep ambulation in their plans and not lobby for its total abandonment? The CSM was anti-ambulation. I think we need a candidate that keeps CCP thinking about it and working on ti steadily in reasonable balance with other game features.
The Voice of Reason party will make that part of our focus. The make sure CCP knows there is active interest in ambulation and to not abandon it.
Issler |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
16
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Posted - 2012.01.30 22:28:00 -
[2979] - Quote
The CSM isn't anti-ambulation. They're just anti-Incarna. Incarna was a failed, rushed attempt to monetize peoples desire for WiS.
I'm anti-Incarna too, but extremely pro Ambulation. WiS is, I think, the next big feature that needs to be released, developed slowly while FiS is fixed, since FiS is the core of EVE gameplay. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.01.30 22:50:00 -
[2980] - Quote
More accurately, the CSM is opposed to CCP tipping huge piles of subscription money down the toilet (like any other player), and spending 5 years of development time to come up with a dirty closet, $70 macro-transactions and a new way to set your graphics card on fire is pretty much a textbook example of it.
If CCP can come up with a usable version of WiS which has some actual gameplay attached to it, then fine, lets have WiS, but so far there's precious little evidence that the feature has any utility beyond selling monocles and beta-testing the graphics engine for a game that now might never see the light of day. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:36:00 -
[2981] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:More accurately, the CSM is opposed to CCP tipping huge piles of subscription money down the toilet (like any other player), and spending 5 years of development time to come up with a dirty closet, $70 macro-transactions and a new way to set your graphics card on fire is pretty much a textbook example of it.
If CCP can come up with a usable version of WiS which has some actual gameplay attached to it, then fine, lets have WiS, but so far there's precious little evidence that the feature has any utility beyond selling monocles and beta-testing the graphics engine for a game that now might never see the light of day.
Gawd, please get your facts straight before you post. And while you're at it, try reading the various CCP Dev replies in this thread. I even posted a few of them at the top of this page.
The hugh piles of subscription money wasn't spent on WiS or the NEX and MT. CCP bought out another company (White Wolf) and invested into 2 other projects. Don't try to say CCP spent 5 years focused on WiS either. There was a lot of other gameplay content developed and released just in the past 3 years.
As for graphic cards burning up, boo hoo. I had a 10 yr old very limited computer which was able to run CQ. Granted it was super laggy and took a long time to load due to game settings placed on low but hey, if my old computer could do it, those high priced new gaming computers should have been able to do it. What really boggles my mind is I just bought a new computer for $400 and guess what, it runs excellent with the CQ active and all Eve settings on high.
So you don't like the NEX store, fine. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything from it. WiS gameplay will be incorporated into the game. Unfortunately right now CCP is a little bit gun shy and is busy placating a very vocal minority. Plus they seriously need to continue fixing all the broken unfinished content in the game.
As far as I know, the current CSM has not supported any WiS development and I doubt they ever will. I will place my vote with Issler Dainze and I encourage others to do the same.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
|
Posted - 2012.01.31 00:42:00 -
[2982] - Quote
I may also vote for Issler. Not sure...I get all my facts before making a decision. Was gonna run myself but I think I have far too many people on these forums that hate me to have any chance of succeeding. No point in splitting the voter pool even a little if you ain't gonna win and you know it. Kinda screws the pooch for everybody else if you know what I mean. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:08:00 -
[2983] - Quote
Yeah, I also entertained the notion of running for CSM. At this time I'd much rather support someone who has more conviction and dedication to do it than I do. Besides that, I feel Issler Dainze shares the same concerns and viewpoints as I have on a lot of issues. A hell of a lot more than the current CSM or anyone else even remotely affiliated with them. If I understand you correctly, then you pretty much feel the same way and as you said, why split the vote when you can easily help solidify it for someone else who roughly shares the same viewpoints.
I belong to NPC starter corp which has a lot of players in it. I also have quite a few other chat channels open while in game. Also it seems lately my name often gets recognized in local chat at various times, probably due to the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan'. All of these seem like a good opportunity to do a little bit of endorsement for someone who definitely would like to see WiS gameplay content developed.
As for the Forums, I'm sure we're all disliked by someone. And I don't think the Forums really matter too much. I think the way to get votes is to convo players in the game via local chat. Basically let em know who you are and what your stance is on various topics, discuss main issues with possible solutions and collect ideas for the future. More or less let the public know that you want to represent them.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:18:00 -
[2984] - Quote
Yeah...this is true. I have the time to dedicate to being a CSM member. I spend almost all my time on the forums at work anyway and could take time off if need be. I just don't think I would garner the votes to make it worth it...so I will support someone I know can.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.01.31 03:15:00 -
[2985] - Quote
Just a note to folks that expressed interest in running for the CSM, the VoR will try and create a slate of candidates. If what you see as planks in the VoR party platform match your thinking I encourage to join in the soon to follow discussions and consider running as a VoR candidate. Once we get closer to the elections we'll try some party straw polls to like the most likely to be elected "top few" and then put all our support behind those candidates.
I'm working now to look at ways outside the forums to get the word out about the Voice of Reason.
I may be tilting at solar wind-mills but they look like giants that need a good 'sploding and I'm going to give it my best! :-)
Issler |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.01.31 11:22:00 -
[2986] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Just a note to folks that expressed interest in running for the CSM, the VoR will try and create a slate of candidates. If what you see as planks in the VoR party platform match your thinking I encourage to join in the soon to follow discussions and consider running as a VoR candidate. Once we get closer to the elections we'll try some party straw polls to like the most likely to be elected "top few" and then put all our support behind those candidates.
I'm working now to look at ways outside the forums to get the word out about the Voice of Reason.
I may be tilting at solar wind-mills but they look like giants that need a good 'sploding and I'm going to give it my best! :-)
Issler
+1 for you and your VoR platform. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:25:00 -
[2987] - Quote
i wish you good luck with this,you need it against big alliances csm candidates
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Dowla Daupor
RED Rabbits
13
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:12:00 -
[2988] - Quote
The CSM is most definitely opposed to WiS, do you people have no memory? It's clear to see why, 0.0 has little use for in station activities, in fact they may actually threaten alliance infrastructure. If players stay docked they aren't farming. Also, 0.0 stations in player sovereignty systems would be rather lonely compared to the constant hodgepodge of activity in high sec and even low-sec stations will be. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:38:00 -
[2989] - Quote
Dowla Daupor wrote:The CSM is most definitely opposed to WiS, do you people have no memory? It's clear to see why, 0.0 has little use for in station activities, in fact they may actually threaten alliance infrastructure. If players stay docked they aren't farming. Also, 0.0 stations in player sovereignty systems would be rather lonely compared to the constant hodgepodge of activity in high sec and even low-sec stations will be.
Opposed to WIS ? i don,t think so, Incarna 1.0 yes maybe incarna 2.5 will have some backup from any CSM6 or 7 or 8 or 9 but i don,t care what the CSM thinks or wants,i care what i want and maybe a lott of other players want.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:55:00 -
[2990] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:More accurately, the CSM is opposed to CCP tipping huge piles of subscription money down the toilet (like any other player), and spending 5 years of development time to come up with a dirty closet, $70 macro-transactions and a new way to set your graphics card on fire is pretty much a textbook example of it.
If CCP can come up with a usable version of WiS which has some actual gameplay attached to it, then fine, lets have WiS, but so far there's precious little evidence that the feature has any utility beyond selling monocles and beta-testing the graphics engine for a game that now might never see the light of day. Gawd, please get your facts straight before you post. And while you're at it, try reading the various CCP Dev replies in this thread. I even posted a few of them at the top of this page. The hugh piles of subscription money wasn't spent on WiS or the NEX and MT. CCP bought out another company (White Wolf) and invested into 2 other projects. Don't try to say CCP spent 5 years focused on WiS either. There was a lot of other gameplay content developed and released just in the past 3 years. As for graphic cards burning up, boo hoo. I had a 10 yr old very limited computer which was able to run CQ. Granted it was super laggy and took a long time to load due to game settings placed on low but hey, if my old computer could do it, those high priced new gaming computers should have been able to do it. What really boggles my mind is I just bought a new computer for $400 and guess what, it runs excellent with the CQ active and all Eve settings on high. So you don't like the NEX store, fine. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything from it. WiS gameplay will be incorporated into the game. Unfortunately right now CCP is a little bit gun shy and is busy placating a very vocal minority. Plus they seriously need to continue fixing all the broken unfinished content in the game. As far as I know, the current CSM has not supported any WiS development and I doubt they ever will. I will place my vote with Issler Dainze and I encourage others to do the same. itt: people who want a spaceship game to be about spaceships are a 'vocal minority'
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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Temmu Guerra
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
40
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:06:00 -
[2991] - Quote
You do realize with this VoR platform of yours your just going to dilute the voting pool right? You cant tell CCP at the end of it all to give all the votes from other ppl to one guy that is part of your party. This isnt the primary this is the final race. |
Reachok
Full Circle Research Corporation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:27:00 -
[2992] - Quote
Well, I had a really well thought out, long post in favor of WIS, but when I tried to preview it, it disappeared.
So...
Short version: CCP just do it. Don't try to make it perfect, I already like my avatar. I just want to get out of my cabin.
Thanks,
Reachok
The bad guys went the other way, seriously.... |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:06:00 -
[2993] - Quote
Temmu Guerra wrote:You do realize with this VoR platform of yours your just going to dilute the voting pool right? You cant tell CCP at the end of it all to give all the votes from other ppl to one guy that is part of your party. This isnt the primary this is the final race.
We are going to try and find the most electable of the candidates that support the VoR platform and ask the supporters of the partty to put their votes to that candidate(s).
But, yes, vote dillution is a concern we need to address.
We will be asking the pilots of Eve the reject a power block null candidate or a high sec sock puppet still influenced by the power block to support the VoR candidate and make sure someone represents the "little guy" and keeps things like ambulation in the CSM discussions with CCP in CSM 7.
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM Candidate
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:05:00 -
[2994] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:More accurately, the CSM is opposed to CCP tipping huge piles of subscription money down the toilet (like any other player), and spending 5 years of development time to come up with a dirty closet, $70 macro-transactions and a new way to set your graphics card on fire is pretty much a textbook example of it.
If CCP can come up with a usable version of WiS which has some actual gameplay attached to it, then fine, lets have WiS, but so far there's precious little evidence that the feature has any utility beyond selling monocles and beta-testing the graphics engine for a game that now might never see the light of day. Gawd, please get your facts straight before you post. And while you're at it, try reading the various CCP Dev replies in this thread. I even posted a few of them at the top of this page. The hugh piles of subscription money wasn't spent on WiS or the NEX and MT. CCP bought out another company (White Wolf) and invested into 2 other projects. Don't try to say CCP spent 5 years focused on WiS either. There was a lot of other gameplay content developed and released just in the past 3 years. As for graphic cards burning up, boo hoo. I had a 10 yr old very limited computer which was able to run CQ. Granted it was super laggy and took a long time to load due to game settings placed on low but hey, if my old computer could do it, those high priced new gaming computers should have been able to do it. What really boggles my mind is I just bought a new computer for $400 and guess what, it runs excellent with the CQ active and all Eve settings on high. So you don't like the NEX store, fine. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything from it. WiS gameplay will be incorporated into the game. Unfortunately right now CCP is a little bit gun shy and is busy placating a very vocal minority. Plus they seriously need to continue fixing all the broken unfinished content in the game. As far as I know, the current CSM has not supported any WiS development and I doubt they ever will. I will place my vote with Issler Dainze and I encourage others to do the same. itt: people who want a spaceship game to be about spaceships are a 'vocal minority'
Yes, the term 'Vocal Minority' pertains to a small group of players in this game that only want 'spaceship' content developed and nothing else.
CCP advertises Eve Online as 'a massive multiplayer online roleplaying space game'.
That includes everything from FiS to WiS.
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.03 16:47:00 -
[2995] - Quote
I hope that there will be some good news about WiS on FanFest. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.03 20:16:00 -
[2996] - Quote
Or that blog we are all expentantly waiting for from team avatar.
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destiny2
Right Ascension
27
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Posted - 2012.02.03 21:26:00 -
[2997] - Quote
Throw WIS in trash can. Im still wanting a Bathroom in my Officer quarters been holding it in for 4 years.! |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.03 22:38:00 -
[2998] - Quote
WiS have 60 devs on it:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/ccp/interviews/world-of-darkness-dust-514-update
so... development of avatar technology is continuing... gooood news for WiS... |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.03 22:49:00 -
[2999] - Quote
Sort of an odd intervire that seems to mix up the games interchangably then call the stew of goo Eve. The line "someday I want to pick up a controller in Eve" said it all for me. Continued confusion and spread focus makes me skeptical.
But please let me be wrong and see CCP deliver ambulaton soon.
Issler |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.03 22:56:00 -
[3000] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Sort of an odd intervire that seems to mix up the games interchangably then call the stew of goo Eve. The line "someday I want to pick up a controller in Eve" said it all for me. Continued confusion and spread focus makes me skeptical. But please let me be wrong and see CCP deliver ambulaton soon. Issler
LOL... thats marketing guy talking there... so you cant expect that he play the game... :p and he is beside that new here.
And about ambulation - they are making tech for WoD and they will develop it fully - it would be dumb not to use it. Some ppl think that if EVE dont have WiS that it will not be developed at all... WRONG. It will be developed, just EVE would not get anything from that tech and that would be dumb... finance it and get nothing from it. So... lets use WoD and get all what we can from WoD team. Lets use all what CCP have for EVE.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.02.04 01:53:00 -
[3001] - Quote
I'd like to see this thread stay unlocked.
If it stays derailed as a CSM platform thread it will be locked.
If all you care about is trying to grab a few votes, then by all means continue. But if you want to see a thread that voices player concerns about the future of WIS stay on the front page, then take the posturing back to JPSC.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.04 04:10:00 -
[3002] - Quote
Yeah, I agree. This thread was originally created to show support for continued WiS development.
I hereby go on record as showing support for CCP to continue development of WiS game play content. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
259
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Posted - 2012.02.04 04:13:00 -
[3003] - Quote
Most people want WiS. Those that say they dont are just scared CCP is going to abandon pvp or turn eve into WOW, so they simply throw their hands up and say "NO!" without any further consideration
WiS will help expand eve, its audience, and its gameplay options.
If you dont like WiS you can remain undocked like the pro-leet-pvp'er you are. |
Ghazu
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.04 04:46:00 -
[3004] - Quote
as of now wis is useless, and useless in the foreseeable future. until ccp figures out what to do with it and release an official gameplay features roadmap that is actually compelling it should just remain on ice. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
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Posted - 2012.02.04 07:14:00 -
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Quote:David Reid: There is no shortage of commitment here to making World of Darkness awesome. I dug deep into that before I came on board and remain absolutely convinced that this is going to be a huge, huge thing based on the resources weGÇÖre putting behind it.
Hilmar P+¬tursson: Specifically, we have a kickass team of sixty rockstars from across the game industry and CCP, and theyGÇÖre making fantastic progress.
i thought WOD was on ice,did i miss something ? or misunderstood it?
well nice to know there is work done on the technology for the creation on avatars in space ,as long CCP can keep their promises .
Speaking of promises ,when is that blog coming out from team Avatar I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.04 12:43:00 -
[3006] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that there will be some good news about WiS on FanFest.
Nova Fox wrote:Or that blog we are all expentantly waiting for from team avatar.
I am waiting for that two things.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.04 12:57:00 -
[3007] - Quote
Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.02.04 13:35:00 -
[3008] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars.
Because of daily bumps. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.04 13:42:00 -
[3009] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. Because of daily bumps.
Yay, those darned people who just won't stop posting about what interests them... can't we make them stop? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.02.04 13:44:00 -
[3010] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars.
you are right, it is a SPACESHIP GAME and not a dress up ya dolly and show it off game.
actualy it's not a funny fact at all, please show us on your dolly where the bad thread touched you lol
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.04 17:43:00 -
[3011] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars.
not two longer, two the longest threads on this forums are about WiS, and then some shorter... and this thread is the longest on this forums.
but noone wants WiS... LOL |
Soma Khan
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.02.04 19:40:00 -
[3012] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. being almost pure troll and/or troll-bait threads has nothing to do with it
c/d? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:44:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. you are right, it is a SPACESHIP GAME and not a dress up ya dolly and show it off game. actualy it's not a funny fact at all, please show us on your dolly where the bad thread touched you lol
Wrong, wrong and WRONG.
This is not just a 'Spaceship Game'. That term implies that Eve Online is a Spaceship flying simulator. Your use of the term 'Dolly' shows you have a closed very limited imagination and know very little about what direction this game is going.
CCP has stated from the beginning that Eve Online is a massive multiplayer online role playing game ...It is a player-driven, persistent-world MMORPG set in a futuristic science fiction space environment.
CCP has stated more than once that their vision for Eve Online is to make it a Science Fiction Virtual Reality. That includes all aspects from FiS to WiS.
So you and all the other anti WiS naysayers need to accept the fact that WiS is here to stay. It will be further developed over time with more game play options.
Obviously you've made statements without doing any research regarding this issue. Next time please use goggle to find some facts to back up your statements.
Alpheias wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. Because of daily bumps.
And we thank you very much for constantly doing that.
Oh by the way, you did see the Dev's posted replies in this thread regarding WiS, right? Guess all that's left to say is 'Told you so'. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:00:00 -
[3014] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Oh by the way, you did see the Dev's posted replies in this thread regarding WiS, right? Guess all that's left to say is 'Told you so'.
I thought the dev post was more bidding for time than anything else.
But carry on. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.05 15:05:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. you are right, it is a SPACESHIP GAME and not a dress up ya dolly and show it off game. actualy it's not a funny fact at all, please show us on your dolly where the bad thread touched you lol Wrong, wrong and WRONG. This is not just a 'Spaceship Game'. That term implies that Eve Online is a Spaceship flying simulator. Your use of the term 'Dolly' shows you have a closed very limited imagination and know very little about what direction this game is going. CCP has stated from the beginning that Eve Online is a massive multiplayer online role playing game ...It is a player-driven, persistent-world MMORPG set in a futuristic science fiction space environment. CCP has stated more than once that their vision for Eve Online is to make it a Science Fiction Virtual Reality. That includes all aspects from FiS to WiS. So you and all the other anti WiS naysayers need to accept the fact that WiS is here to stay. It will be further developed over time with more game play options. Obviously you've made statements without doing any research regarding this issue. Next time please use goggle to find some facts to back up your statements.
+1
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.05 16:23:00 -
[3016] - Quote
We are also gettign SiF (shootin in face) features soon enough.
There was an interesting quip about WiS though a potential outlet for eve to be free to play the paid service always being space flight hoever but instation folks could like help a manufacturing/research job along get some isk to buy or outfit thier store in a district pay the rent or potentially a plex.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.02.05 17:18:00 -
[3017] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. you are right, it is a SPACESHIP GAME and not a dress up ya dolly and show it off game. actualy it's not a funny fact at all, please show us on your dolly where the bad thread touched you lol Wrong, wrong and WRONG. This is not just a 'Spaceship Game'. That term implies that Eve Online is a Spaceship flying simulator. Your use of the term 'Dolly' shows you have a closed very limited imagination and know very little about what direction this game is going. CCP has stated from the beginning that Eve Online is a massive multiplayer online role playing game ...It is a player-driven, persistent-world MMORPG set in a futuristic science fiction space environment. CCP has stated more than once that their vision for Eve Online is to make it a Science Fiction Virtual Reality. That includes all aspects from FiS to WiS. So you and all the other anti WiS naysayers need to accept the fact that WiS is here to stay. It will be further developed over time with more game play options. Obviously you've made statements without doing any research regarding this issue. Next time please use goggle to find some facts to back up your statements. Alpheias wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. Because of daily bumps. And we thank you very much for constantly doing that. Oh by the way, you did see the Dev's posted replies in this thread regarding WiS, right? Guess all that's left to say is 'Told you so'.
hold on a ******* second, i actualy play the game, i've attended fanfest, i've read many many dev blogs, and forgive me, but the fact remains, it is a spaceship game,, in the future as you say yes it may be much much more, but right now, it is NOT !
CCP have stated many things over the years which usualy follows with a soon.TM i've nothing against anyone wanting to play with their dolly, knock yourselves out, but the fact is this, the core of the game cannot be ignored as it was during the WiS development, if WiS is going to effect the core element of the game then to HELL with WiS !
you are so wrong, i am not anti WiS, i am anti ignore the core element of the game, i looked forward to WiS just as much as others did and still do for what might be in teh future, but what we got was a farce which the game has still not fully recovered from.
on a closing note, maybe it is you who needs to read up or Google the stats on players who have left because of what WiS did to EVE last year. WiS brought ZERO players into game, it drove them away, you yourself are here playing spaceships onlne, i mean come on,, are you really going to tell me you joined EVE for WiS ?
show me the stats of players who joined EVE for WiS Vs players who joined for FiS. all this from an alt,, post from your main and give backbone to your argument. |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.02.05 17:35:00 -
[3018] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. you are right, it is a SPACESHIP GAME and not a dress up ya dolly and show it off game. actualy it's not a funny fact at all, please show us on your dolly where the bad thread touched you lol Wrong, wrong and WRONG. This is not just a 'Spaceship Game'. That term implies that Eve Online is a Spaceship flying simulator. Your use of the term 'Dolly' shows you have a closed very limited imagination and know very little about what direction this game is going. CCP has stated from the beginning that Eve Online is a massive multiplayer online role playing game ...It is a player-driven, persistent-world MMORPG set in a futuristic science fiction space environment. CCP has stated more than once that their vision for Eve Online is to make it a Science Fiction Virtual Reality. That includes all aspects from FiS to WiS. So you and all the other anti WiS naysayers need to accept the fact that WiS is here to stay. It will be further developed over time with more game play options. Obviously you've made statements without doing any research regarding this issue. Next time please use goggle to find some facts to back up your statements. hold on a ******* second, i actualy play the game, i've attended fanfest, i've read many many dev blogs, and forgive me, but the fact remains, it is a spaceship game,, in the future as you say yes it may be much much more, but right now, it is NOT ! CCP have stated many things over the years which usualy follows with a soon.TM i've nothing against anyone wanting to play with their dolly, knock yourselves out, but the fact is this, the core of the game cannot be ignored as it was during the WiS development, if WiS is going to effect the core element of the game then to HELL with WiS ! you are so wrong, i am not anti WiS, i am anti ignore the core element of the game, i looked forward to WiS just as much as others did and still do for what might be in teh future, but what we got was a farce which the game has still not fully recovered from. on a closing note, maybe it is you who needs to read up or Google the stats on players who have left because of what WiS did to EVE last year. WiS brought ZERO players into game, it drove them away, you yourself are here playing spaceships onlne, i mean come on,, are you really going to tell me you joined EVE for WiS ? show me the stats of players who joined EVE for WiS Vs players who joined for FiS. all this from an alt,, post from your main and give backbone to your argument.
This is the proof that some ppl can read the same sentence all day long but are not intelligent enough to understand what happen in it. If i was on your place i would not write any more.
Tell me what ppl left the game because the WiS??? What WiS did to EVE???
How i love ppl that come to anti apple protest and bring anti orange transparent and only them shout anti orange paroles; and then tells ppl that there was anti orange protest.
All ***** that happen to EVE last year was about "golden ammo" and "greed is good".
Learn to read with understanding. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:33:00 -
[3019] - Quote
People need to learn to read the greed is good internal newsletter was a hypothetical situation and if you read the entire article it was a debate not a dev blog.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.05 22:07:00 -
[3020] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: on a closing note, maybe it is you who needs to read up or Google the stats on players who have left because of what WiS did to EVE last year. WiS brought ZERO players into game, it drove them away, you yourself are here playing spaceships onlne, i mean come on,, are you really going to tell me you joined EVE for WiS ?
show me the stats of players who joined EVE for WiS Vs players who joined for FiS. all this from an alt,, post from your main and give backbone to your argument.
Lol. Dumb troll is dumb. Show me your stats and I'll show you mine.
Most people were pissed off due to the lack of development in EVE in general over the last few years, the overpriced NeX store, and the incomplete version of Incarna that we got. Not specifically because of WiS I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.02.05 22:28:00 -
[3021] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that there will be some good news about WiS on FanFest.
Maybe they'll have come up with some actual gameplay by then!
I mean they've been working on it for 5 years and never thought to include any in that time but you never know! |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.05 23:25:00 -
[3022] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that there will be some good news about WiS on FanFest. Maybe they'll have come up with some actual gameplay by then! I mean they've been working on it for 5 years and never thought to include any in that time but you never know!
Not true, they had a playable demo a few years back which included an avatar walking around, going to a bar, and playing a game. I know it's not much, but it does show at least that ideas for gameplay do exist.
They have also said that they plan to make illegal items like boosters tradable in stations. Which I think sounds like great fun.
There are many, many ideas for gameplay already, they just need to implement them already.
Let's hope we get a great dev blog soon.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.06 02:07:00 -
[3023] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: hold on a ******* second, i actualy play the game, i've attended fanfest, i've read many many dev blogs, and forgive me, but the fact remains, it is a spaceship game,, in the future as you say yes it may be much much more, but right now, it is NOT !
CCP have stated many things over the years which usualy follows with a soon.TM i've nothing against anyone wanting to play with their dolly, knock yourselves out, but the fact is this, the core of the game cannot be ignored as it was during the WiS development, if WiS is going to effect the core element of the game then to HELL with WiS !
you are so wrong, i am not anti WiS, i am anti ignore the core element of the game, i looked forward to WiS just as much as others did and still do for what might be in teh future, but what we got was a farce which the game has still not fully recovered from.
on a closing note, maybe it is you who needs to read up or Google the stats on players who have left because of what WiS did to EVE last year. WiS brought ZERO players into game, it drove them away, you yourself are here playing spaceships onlne, i mean come on,, are you really going to tell me you joined EVE for WiS ?
show me the stats of players who joined EVE for WiS Vs players who joined for FiS. all this from an alt,, post from your main and give backbone to your argument.
Yeah, I agree we mainly use spaceships as the mode of transportation in this game and they are also the base for the majority of activity's conducted in-game. Of course there's also players with Trade characters that never leave Market Hub stations. Call it what you want, CCP has stated time and time again that Eve Online is a MMORPG Science Fiction Virtual Reality. That includes everything from FiS to Wis.
You say you're not anti-WiS, that's great. Your other posted reply seemed to indicate otherwise but I probably just misunderstood it and if I did, I apologize. However, your continued use of the term 'Dolly' instead of 'Avatar' is easily viewed in a derogatory and negative manner.
It seems that a lot of players keep saying all the problems last summer was due to WiS and that was the reason for the mass rage unsub's that happened last summer. This is not true. I and other players have already stated a few times that there were a lot of other things that contributed to that. Also don't even try to say that CCP has spent the last 2 to 5 years not adding any FiS gameplay content due to placing development time on WiS. There has been a lot of game content added within that time frame. Unfortunately each time content was introduced to the game, it broke some stuff which just kept getting added to an already large list of other broken stuff.
Yes, we got a poorly optimized unfinished version of Ambulation. It's been optimized now and will probably have more optimization done to it in the future. Granted we only have 4 different CQ's available that provide no player interaction but hey, it's a start and more gameplay content will be developed in the future.
By the way, this is my main character. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.06 04:47:00 -
[3024] - Quote
Another question for team Avatar.
Given that 60 devs are currently working on the World of Darkness MMO, can we expect any of the improvements that they make to the character rendering technology to make it's way into Incarna (presuming that they are doing this kind of work of course).
Also. Dev blog? Please? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
114
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Posted - 2012.02.06 10:12:00 -
[3025] - Quote
nice to see there is still work being done on WIS i do agree with the current approach.. once some more issue are dealt with FIS I think a second or third group needs to be added.
Working out the major bugs of mechanics and technical . then ramp up with content builders when those issues are dealt with
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Oberine Noriepa
575
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:26:00 -
[3026] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Another question for team Avatar.
Given that 60 devs are currently working on the World of Darkness MMO, can we expect any of the improvements that they make to the character rendering technology to make it's way into Incarna (presuming that they are doing this kind of work of course).
Also. Dev blog? Please? Given the recent updates that Crucible brought, I think it's very likely that EVE's ambulation technology will receive the same updates as World of Darkness. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
221
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:33:00 -
[3027] - Quote
Oberine Noriepa wrote:Flamespar wrote:Another question for team Avatar.
Given that 60 devs are currently working on the World of Darkness MMO, can we expect any of the improvements that they make to the character rendering technology to make it's way into Incarna (presuming that they are doing this kind of work of course).
Also. Dev blog? Please? Given the recent updates that Crucible brought, I think it's very likely that EVE's ambulation technology will receive the same updates as World of Darkness. WOD devs are focused on game mechanics and game play as the new CQ devs fix bugs and expand the fuctionality. All the things we wish CQ could be come will start to appear. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:35:00 -
[3028] - Quote
Salpun wrote:Oberine Noriepa wrote:Flamespar wrote:Another question for team Avatar.
Given that 60 devs are currently working on the World of Darkness MMO, can we expect any of the improvements that they make to the character rendering technology to make it's way into Incarna (presuming that they are doing this kind of work of course).
Also. Dev blog? Please? Given the recent updates that Crucible brought, I think it's very likely that EVE's ambulation technology will receive the same updates as World of Darkness. WOD devs are focused on game mechanics and game play as the new CQ devs fix bugs and expand the fuctionality. All the things we wish CQ could be come will start to appear.
And your source is...? Wishfulthinkingdotcom? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:30:00 -
[3029] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:[quote=DeMichael Crimson][quote=xxxTRUSTxxx]
hold on a ******* second, i actualy play the game, i've attended fanfest, i've read many many dev blogs, and forgive me, but the fact remains, it is a spaceship game,, in the future as you say yes it may be much much more, but right now, it is NOT !
CCP have stated many things over the years which usualy follows with a soon.TM i've nothing against anyone wanting to play with their dolly, knock yourselves out, but the fact is this, the core of the game cannot be ignored as it was during the WiS development, if WiS is going to effect the core element of the game then to HELL with WiS !
you are so wrong, i am not anti WiS, i am anti ignore the core element of the game, i looked forward to WiS just as much as others did and still do for what might be in teh future, but what we got was a farce which the game has still not fully recovered from.
on a closing note, maybe it is you who needs to read up or Google the stats on players who have left because of what WiS did to EVE last year. WiS brought ZERO players into game, it drove them away, you yourself are here playing spaceships onlne, i mean come on,, are you really going to tell me you joined EVE for WiS ?
show me the stats of players who joined EVE for WiS Vs players who joined for FiS. all this from an alt,, post from your main and give backbone to your argument.
the funny thing is you are saying something almost everybody in this thread wants.
Development of WIS as long other aspects of EVE ,FIS ,FW etc are getting the resources it needs
Nobody in this thread who like to see some more WIS ,wants it at the expense of FIS
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:33:00 -
[3030] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Salpun wrote:Oberine Noriepa wrote:Flamespar wrote:Another question for team Avatar.
Given that 60 devs are currently working on the World of Darkness MMO, can we expect any of the improvements that they make to the character rendering technology to make it's way into Incarna (presuming that they are doing this kind of work of course).
Also. Dev blog? Please? Given the recent updates that Crucible brought, I think it's very likely that EVE's ambulation technology will receive the same updates as World of Darkness. WOD devs are focused on game mechanics and game play as the new CQ devs fix bugs and expand the fuctionality. All the things we wish CQ could be come will start to appear. And your source is...? Wishfulthinkingdotcom?
The only source we need is team Avatar ,keep waiting on the promised blog Although CCP and promises ???? just hoping that they keep word this time I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:56:00 -
[3031] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:[quote=DeMichael Crimson][quote=xxxTRUSTxxx]
hold on a ******* second, i actualy play the game, i've attended fanfest, i've read many many dev blogs, and forgive me, but the fact remains, it is a spaceship game,, in the future as you say yes it may be much much more, but right now, it is NOT !
CCP have stated many things over the years which usualy follows with a soon.TM i've nothing against anyone wanting to play with their dolly, knock yourselves out, but the fact is this, the core of the game cannot be ignored as it was during the WiS development, if WiS is going to effect the core element of the game then to HELL with WiS !
you are so wrong, i am not anti WiS, i am anti ignore the core element of the game, i looked forward to WiS just as much as others did and still do for what might be in teh future, but what we got was a farce which the game has still not fully recovered from.
on a closing note, maybe it is you who needs to read up or Google the stats on players who have left because of what WiS did to EVE last year. WiS brought ZERO players into game, it drove them away, you yourself are here playing spaceships onlne, i mean come on,, are you really going to tell me you joined EVE for WiS ?
show me the stats of players who joined EVE for WiS Vs players who joined for FiS. all this from an alt,, post from your main and give backbone to your argument. the funny thing is you are saying something almost everybody in this thread wants. Development of WIS as long other aspects of EVE ,FIS ,FW etc are getting the resources it needs Nobody in this thread who like to see some more WIS ,wants it at the expense of FIS
i know,, but some haven't read what i've said already in this thread. i'm all up for upgrades to the game in any way or kind, as long as it doesn't effect what we have already. oh btw, although i do like the idea of WiS, i hate the idea of a fashion parade in eve, dressing dolly up to look good, NOT FOR ME thanks |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:18:00 -
[3032] - Quote
Aquila Draco wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. you are right, it is a SPACESHIP GAME and not a dress up ya dolly and show it off game. actualy it's not a funny fact at all, please show us on your dolly where the bad thread touched you lol Wrong, wrong and WRONG. This is not just a 'Spaceship Game'. That term implies that Eve Online is a Spaceship flying simulator. Your use of the term 'Dolly' shows you have a closed very limited imagination and know very little about what direction this game is going. CCP has stated from the beginning that Eve Online is a massive multiplayer online role playing game ...It is a player-driven, persistent-world MMORPG set in a futuristic science fiction space environment. CCP has stated more than once that their vision for Eve Online is to make it a Science Fiction Virtual Reality. That includes all aspects from FiS to WiS. So you and all the other anti WiS naysayers need to accept the fact that WiS is here to stay. It will be further developed over time with more game play options. Obviously you've made statements without doing any research regarding this issue. Next time please use goggle to find some facts to back up your statements. hold on a ******* second, i actualy play the game, i've attended fanfest, i've read many many dev blogs, and forgive me, but the fact remains, it is a spaceship game,, in the future as you say yes it may be much much more, but right now, it is NOT ! CCP have stated many things over the years which usualy follows with a soon.TM i've nothing against anyone wanting to play with their dolly, knock yourselves out, but the fact is this, the core of the game cannot be ignored as it was during the WiS development, if WiS is going to effect the core element of the game then to HELL with WiS ! you are so wrong, i am not anti WiS, i am anti ignore the core element of the game, i looked forward to WiS just as much as others did and still do for what might be in teh future, but what we got was a farce which the game has still not fully recovered from. on a closing note, maybe it is you who needs to read up or Google the stats on players who have left because of what WiS did to EVE last year. WiS brought ZERO players into game, it drove them away, you yourself are here playing spaceships onlne, i mean come on,, are you really going to tell me you joined EVE for WiS ? show me the stats of players who joined EVE for WiS Vs players who joined for FiS. all this from an alt,, post from your main and give backbone to your argument. This is the proof that some ppl can read the same sentence all day long but are not intelligent enough to understand what happen in it. If i was on your place i would not write any more. Tell me what ppl left the game because the WiS??? What WiS did to EVE??? How i love ppl that come to anti apple protest and bring anti orange transparent and only them shout anti orange paroles; and then tells ppl that there was anti orange protest. All ***** that happen to EVE last year was about "golden ammo" and "greed is good". Learn to read with understanding.
you can't ignore that fact that WiS was a part of the mess, i'm sorry, but my reading is fine, WiS( trapped in ya CQ ) and NEX ( dress ya dolly ) have a read >>> INCARNA |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.07 23:33:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:you can't ignore that fact that WiS was a part of the mess, i'm sorry, but my reading is fine, WiS( trapped in ya CQ ) and NEX ( dress ya dolly ) have a read >>> INCARNA
The problem with the original argument that you presented was that you were trying to attibute blame sorely to WiS, which is incorrect.
Also what people tend to forget is that the first iteration of Captains quarters was designed primarily to help new players get into EVE (hence the corp finder, agent finder, new tutorials and vids) I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:13:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Alpheias wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Meanwhile, i just noticed one funny fact.
In these "spaceship game" forums, the two longer threads are about human-like avatars. Because of daily bumps. Yay, those darned people who just won't stop posting about what interests them... can't we make them stop?
Pity they are the same group of people bumping the same thread daily. Ah well, a small audience is still an audience. Let's hope Team Avatar comes back with some goodies soon. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:25:00 -
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This was the first new forum threadnaught. (and my first! )
There were some anti-WIS troll types that certainly made regular posts but once you filter all that out there were some decent conversations with a number of folks for and against ambulation, then some good dev participation in the end (finally!) that made this thread worthy of attention.
To everyone that helped keep this topic alive, thanks!
And to Team Avatar, you have fans as you can plainly see!
We really need that dev blog promised soon to keep us hoping and to get you some credibility!
I believe this thread proved there are a lot of paying subscribers that want ambulation and even consider it key to the future of Eve. I'm even trying to get someone in the CSM that will keep CCP thinking and working on the next generation of Eve exeriences we can only have once we get out that door!
Issler Dainze Not a "Space Barbie" but a sneaky smuggler type that needs to make some seedy connections in the dark corners of the stations to do some crime and slip about!
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Freylock
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:09:00 -
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I have no idea what these acronyms stand for. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:07:00 -
[3037] - Quote
Freylock wrote:I have no idea what these acronyms stand for.
Well to answer your question. FiS (which the rabid trolls demand CCP focus exclusively on) stands for 'fascism in space', where the views of a vocal minority dictate everyoneGÇÖs experience down a narrow view.
Whereas WiS, (which handsome, smart, forward thinking players like myself are asking for) stands for 'wonder in space' where players are given new ways of experiencing and participating in the EVE universe.
Hope this helps I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.08 08:18:00 -
[3038] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Freylock wrote:I have no idea what these acronyms stand for. Well to answer your question. FiS (which the rabid trolls demand CCP focus exclusively on) stands for 'fascism in space', where the views of a vocal minority dictate everyoneGÇÖs experience down a narrow view. Whereas WiS, (which handsome, smart, forward thinking players like myself are asking for) stands for 'wonder in space' where players are given new ways of experiencing and participating in the EVE universe. Hope this helps lol, nice counter troll.
FiS = Flying in Spaceships WiS = Walking in Stations PvP = Player verses Player PvE = Player verses Environment EvE = Everyone verses Everyone |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:07:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Freylock wrote:I have no idea what these acronyms stand for. Well to answer your question. FiS (which the rabid trolls demand CCP focus exclusively on) stands for 'fascism in space', where the views of a vocal minority dictate everyoneGÇÖs experience down a narrow view. Whereas WiS, (which handsome, smart, forward thinking players like myself are asking for) stands for 'wonder in space' where players are given new ways of experiencing and participating in the EVE universe. Hope this helps
I just said ,hey i want WIS ,so now i am a handsome,smart and forward thinking guy. Can,t stop my wifes laughter anymore ,she is really rolling on the floor now.
Seriously , i wonder if one of the Team Avatar devs ,still follows this thread and could give us a insight on how they are doing and when we can expect that promised blog I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:26:00 -
[3040] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Flamespar wrote:Freylock wrote:I have no idea what these acronyms stand for. Well to answer your question. FiS (which the rabid trolls demand CCP focus exclusively on) stands for 'fascism in space', where the views of a vocal minority dictate everyoneGÇÖs experience down a narrow view. Whereas WiS, (which handsome, smart, forward thinking players like myself are asking for) stands for 'wonder in space' where players are given new ways of experiencing and participating in the EVE universe. Hope this helps lol, nice counter troll. FiS = Flying in Spaceships WiS = Walking in Stations PvP = Player verses Player PvE = Player verses Environment EvE = Everyone verses Everyone
You forgot the latest one
SiF = Shooting in Face!
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Fuee
Doomheim
12
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:36:00 -
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Could we have the people who worked at CCP 6 years ago back? Who understood WiS and actually cared about EVE? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:38:00 -
[3042] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Flamespar wrote:Freylock wrote:I have no idea what these acronyms stand for. Well to answer your question. FiS (which the rabid trolls demand CCP focus exclusively on) stands for 'fascism in space', where the views of a vocal minority dictate everyoneGÇÖs experience down a narrow view. Whereas WiS, (which handsome, smart, forward thinking players like myself are asking for) stands for 'wonder in space' where players are given new ways of experiencing and participating in the EVE universe. Hope this helps lol, nice counter troll. FiS = Flying in Spaceships WiS = Walking in Stations PvP = Player verses Player PvE = Player verses Environment EvE = Everyone verses Everyone You forgot the latest one SiF = Shooting in Face!
And don't forget one that was often found in this thread!!
TiF = Trolling in Forums
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:50:00 -
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Another great victory over the dress up the dolly fetishists for the people who love EVE is the fact that the new player introduction website fails to mention WiS, Incarna or NEX store at all.
Yet the designers thought "erm you have a hanger to put stuff in" needed mentioning while not promoting, advertising or listing space Barbie as a feature at all. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.09 01:07:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Another great victory over the dress up the dolly fetishists for the people who love EVE is the fact that the new player introduction website fails to mention WiS, Incarna or NEX store at all.
You mean except for all of the pictures of Avatars and the pics and footage of players walking in the captains quarters and the new player vid that talks about creating your avatar and accessing the features of CQ.
Did you actually have your computer on when you went to the website?
Just when you thought trolls couldn't get any dumber...... I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.09 01:09:00 -
[3045] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Another great victory over the dress up the dolly fetishists for the people who love EVE is the fact that the new player introduction website fails to mention WiS, Incarna or NEX store at all.
Yet the designers though mentioning "erm you have a hanger to put stuff in" while not promoting, advertising or listing space Barbie as a feature at all.
Oops, forgot to add
ESD = The Eve is a SciFi simulation Denier
This is usually a forum troll that waste everyones time confusing the promise of ambulation in Eve with a dislike of Eve or spaceships. These can usually be quickly identified by their frequent confusing the NeX and Incarna with ambulation, the repeated use of "Space Barbie" in their rants and their denial of CCP's repeated claims that Eve is a SciFi simulator. They will often claim that only they know how Eve should be played and what CCP should focus on.
Another sure sign that someone is a ESD is they claim work on ambulation was what kept CCP from adding FiS content when it was actually work on other games.
Issler |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.02.09 01:14:00 -
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It is good to know that CCP have not shut the door on my space barbie. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:03:00 -
[3047] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Another great victory over the dress up the dolly fetishists for the people who love EVE is the fact that the new player introduction website fails to mention WiS, Incarna or NEX store at all.
Yet the designers though mentioning "erm you have a hanger to put stuff in" while not promoting, advertising or listing space Barbie as a feature at all. Oops, forgot to add ESD = The Eve is a SciFi simulation Denier This is usually a forum troll that waste everyones time confusing the promise of ambulation in Eve with a dislike of Eve or spaceships. These can usually be quickly identified by their frequent confusing the NeX and Incarna with ambulation, the repeated use of "Space Barbie" in their rants and their denial of CCP's repeated claims that Eve is a SciFi simulator. They will often claim that only they know how Eve should be played and what CCP should focus on. Another sure sign that someone is a ESD is they claim work on ambulation was what kept CCP from adding FiS content when it was actually work on other games. Issler
I think everyone can somewhat agree that ambulation in the future would be great for eve.
The issue is that right now it deserves 0 resources because the core of the game, the game that we all signed up for, is still in dire need of a myriad of overhauls. And yes, right ow FiS IS the core of the game so please spare me the 'simulator' **** until the EVE experience actually backs that up.
CCP can and should revisit ambulation in ~5 years when eve is on firm ground and the tech can actually support it. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.09 04:04:00 -
[3048] - Quote
Zirse wrote: I think everyone can somewhat agree that ambulation in the future would be great for eve.
The issue is that right now it deserves 0 resources because the core of the game, the game that we all signed up for, is still in dire need of a myriad of overhauls. And yes, right ow FiS IS the core of the game so please spare me the 'simulator' **** until the EVE experience actually backs that up.
CCP can and should revisit ambulation in ~5 years when eve is on firm ground and the tech can actually support it.
Fortunately. CCP does not share your view - that we should wait 5 plus years for Incarna. Nor do many players. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.02.09 08:46:00 -
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lol ok.
I will be waiting here with my told you so. |
Fuee
Doomheim
12
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Posted - 2012.02.09 09:26:00 -
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CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. But I really don't have any faith in them after these 6 years and Incarna. I'll be happy over at Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2, both being F2P, watching EVE die as you fools grind for ISK or spend $ for your subscriptions, toiling away with decade old gameplay. Slaves to killboards and spreadsheets. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.09 10:54:00 -
[3051] - Quote
Fuee wrote:CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. But I really don't have any faith in them after these 6 years and Incarna. I'll be happy over at Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2, both being F2P, watching EVE die as you fools grind for ISK or spend $ for your subscriptions, toiling away with decade old gameplay. Slaves to killboards and spreadsheets.
It's very hard to figure WTH is going on with CCP and WiS. Turns out now there are 60 devs working on WoD, plus we got Team Avatar, plus the new website strongly relies on avatars (even if they wear customization options unavailable ingame), plus the new website doens't even mention CQs or WiS at all, plus the only non-nullsec CSM candidate with a serious option to enter CSM7 comptetely dismisses WiS.
Add the ultimate necessity of launching DUST 514 as a part of the summer expansion, which means that right now an undetermined amount of devs are in Full Dust mode, and well, puzzlement ensues. Looks like CCP is playing to spin plates and nobody knows wether the audience will say "wow" or will watch a splenderous crash... or wll begin shooting at the plates. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
128
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:23:00 -
[3052] - Quote
Fuee wrote:CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. But I really don't have any faith in them after these 6 years and Incarna. I'll be happy over at Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2, both being F2P, watching EVE die as you fools grind for ISK or spend $ for your subscriptions, toiling away with decade old gameplay. Slaves to killboards and spreadsheets.
The door is that way >>> |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:33:00 -
[3053] - Quote
Heimdallofasgard wrote:Fuee wrote:CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. But I really don't have any faith in them after these 6 years and Incarna. I'll be happy over at Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2, both being F2P, watching EVE die as you fools grind for ISK or spend $ for your subscriptions, toiling away with decade old gameplay. Slaves to killboards and spreadsheets. The door is that way >>> Yeah, but it says that the atmosphere isn't conditioned for capsuleers yet. That is the damn problem! |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
156
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:40:00 -
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Hears my one big problem with walking in stations. Ill never do it, for roll play reasons. In the chronicles and fluff it's pointed out multiple times that the devise that transfers our mind to a new clone is part of the pod, deep frys our skull, and is kinda large. As WiSi is now there was no explanations to any of my questions about safety, one not in a pod. Why would I leave it and get dressed and pretend to be human, and put my self at risk! And to top it off most regular humans are at best uneasy around pod pilots, and most pod pilots are richer than some hole planets. So why would I even want to walk around with the common filthies? Putting my life and Isk at risk to feel like a normal human again? I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Eve Is Real
15
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:51:00 -
[3055] - Quote
FiS > WiS but both would be nice. Experience and reason for CSM7 |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:58:00 -
[3056] - Quote
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:As WiSi is now there was no explanations to any of my questions about safety, one not in a pod. Why would I leave it and get dressed and pretend to be human, and put my self at risk! And to top it off most regular humans are at best uneasy around pod pilots, and most pod pilots are richer than some hole planets. So why would I even want to walk around with the common filthies? Putting my life and Isk at risk to feel like a normal human again? Absolutly right. So we need good reasons to leave the safety of our Pods. But it seems that cloning technology has advanced considerably when I think of Dust 514. I could be wrong... anyone read any lore about the Dust 514 clones? |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:39:00 -
[3057] - Quote
Oh god, 143 pages? By the time I finish reading 1-143, this thread will have probably gained another 50-100 pages. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Eveliy
Coronize
21
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:39:00 -
[3058] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:As WiSi is now there was no explanations to any of my questions about safety, one not in a pod. Why would I leave it and get dressed and pretend to be human, and put my self at risk! And to top it off most regular humans are at best uneasy around pod pilots, and most pod pilots are richer than some hole planets. So why would I even want to walk around with the common filthies? Putting my life and Isk at risk to feel like a normal human again? Absolutly right. So we need good reasons to leave the safety of our Pods. But it seems that cloning technology has advanced considerably when I think of Dust 514. I could be wrong... anyone read any lore about the Dust 514 clones?
Dust 514 soldiers are using / forced to use sleeper technology.
EDIT: SPOILER!!!!!
As far as I have read:
Empress Jamyl seems to have been able to aquire a sleeper brain for testing and science and thus enabling the Amarr to invent the cloning technology for ground soldiers.
The sleepers were able to activate a fifth brain lobe by activating a inactive gene and enhance their own cognitive-processing.
A fullerene-based quantum computer is embedded into the brain and is able to store all the information embedded into the speciman's brain, mainly because of the fifth lobe.
Through that they seem to need significantly less storage and infrastructure to store and transfer ones mind. If one dies then, his mind is instantly transfered into a new body that needs to be like the same as before or at least the same cognitive attributes.
Unlike capsuleers where stations and gates are needed for the transfer of ones mind, that sleeper technology seems to be able to circumvent those and create immortal soldiers that way. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:43:00 -
[3059] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Another great victory over the dress up the dolly fetishists for the people who love EVE is the fact that the new player introduction website fails to mention WiS, Incarna or NEX store at all.
Yet the designers though mentioning "erm you have a hanger to put stuff in" while not promoting, advertising or listing space Barbie as a feature at all. Oops, forgot to add ESD = The Eve is a SciFi simulation Denier This is usually a forum troll that waste everyones time confusing the promise of ambulation in Eve with a dislike of Eve or spaceships. These can usually be quickly identified by their frequent confusing the NeX and Incarna with ambulation, the repeated use of "Space Barbie" in their rants and their denial of CCP's repeated claims that Eve is a SciFi simulator. They will often claim that only they know how Eve should be played and what CCP should focus on. Another sure sign that someone is a ESD is they claim work on ambulation was what kept CCP from adding FiS content when it was actually work on other games. Issler
Yes a single room with some clothes is a great sci fi simulation.................... A handful of rooms with some clothes and pretend space bars is not a great sci fi simulation either. |
Fuee
Doomheim
12
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:45:00 -
[3060] - Quote
So DUST soldiers are superior to capsuleers? Thanks CCP |
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
546
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:51:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Fuee wrote:CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. But I really don't have any faith in them after these 6 years and Incarna. I'll be happy over at Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2, both being F2P, watching EVE die as you fools grind for ISK or spend $ for your subscriptions, toiling away with decade old gameplay. Slaves to killboards and spreadsheets. It's very hard to figure WTH is going on with CCP and WiS. Turns out now there are 60 devs working on WoD, plus we got Team Avatar, plus the new website strongly relies on avatars (even if they wear customization options unavailable ingame), plus the new website doens't even mention CQs or WiS at all, plus the only non-nullsec CSM candidate with a serious option to enter CSM7 comptetely dismisses WiS. Add the ultimate necessity of launching DUST 514 as a part of the summer expansion, which means that right now an undetermined amount of devs are in Full Dust mode, and well, puzzlement ensues. Looks like CCP is playing to spin plates and nobody knows wether the audience will say "wow" or will watch a splenderous crash... or wll begin shooting at the plates.
The difference is that now flying in space or EVE online as I like to call it now has several teams dedicated to improve and iterate on all the stuff that has been promised and thought out for the fying in space part where previously most teams where working on Incarna end the WoD project combined.
Now the current 5 man incarna team can untangle the mess they are in by working with the assets and ideas that have been finished already and trying to fit this all into the sandbox of EVE without to much uproar and with actually stuff to do, a minor fact that was overlooked apparently.
The rols have been reversed for now and rightly so, I assume Ambulation will get a chance to shine and alot of stuff for it has allready been finished art wise so they only need to fix the Aurum/Nex problem and figure out how to extend the sandbox into stations in a interesting way. I'd suggest reading up on some of the chronicles and the books for things to do in station.
EDIT: I recently went into the CQ and I must say it looks ALOT better then it did a few months/year ago. clearly they have been improving quite a bit on their code etc. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Eveliy
Coronize
21
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:54:00 -
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Fuee wrote:So DUST soldiers are superior to capsuleers? Thanks CCP
As CCP never said they would give up on WiS or walking capsuleers I think that we will make use of that technology sooner or later, as well.
I'd also not say that they're superior. They can just horribly die more often and everywhere whereas we have all the tools to steer New Eden's greatest ships on our own. :)
Another edit:
That sleeper tech is even able to scan your brain continiously and not only a few momens before your death. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:38:00 -
[3063] - Quote
Eveliy wrote:Fuee wrote:So DUST soldiers are superior to capsuleers? Thanks CCP As CCP never said they would give up on WiS or walking capsuleers I think that we will make use of that technology sooner or later, as well. I'd also not say that they're superior. They can just horribly die more often and everywhere whereas we have all the tools to steer New Eden's greatest ships on our own. :) Another edit: That sleeper tech is even able to scan your brain continiously and not only a few momens before your death.
so you remember your own death until the last moment the brains stops? wow knowing what is going to happen when you die and stil get into that pod on the balcony Team Avatar could at least change the position of the pod
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.02.10 17:00:00 -
[3064] - Quote
Fuee wrote:CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. If the past year showed anything, its that the above isn't just wrong, but that it is fatal for EVE Online.
You guys need to shut up and get in line. According to CCP Greyscale the 0.0/sov rework will take approximately 5 years. There is also low sec and other in-space gameplay work. Maybe you'll get something new after all that has been handled. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.02.10 17:39:00 -
[3065] - Quote
wow 144 pages and still going lol
well let see, has any other wine thread about any other feature of EVE gone 143 pages? lol CCP still doesnt get it?
what blows my mind is that CCP has a great opportunity here for some awesome sci-fi gameplay outside of just ships in space. I've been spitting my ideas out for awhile and you get to a point where you figure. why? why push so hard to make DUST 514 PS3 but before that release partly implement some sort of WIS with limited gameplay? they must put something in the water in Iceland because these boys just arent thinking right.
FIS-WIS-DUST should have been integrated as PC only gameplay seamless content. wake the F up CCP, i'm beginning to think your project managers really have no idea what they are doing. So much for being THE epic sci-fi game on the market. who knows, maybe someone will come around and get it right next time. too late to turn back now |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.02.10 17:53:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:wow 144 pages and still going lol
well let see, has any other wine thread about any other feature of EVE gone 143 pages? lol CCP still doesnt get it?
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Fuee
Doomheim
12
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Posted - 2012.02.10 18:01:00 -
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Razin wrote:Fuee wrote:CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. If the past year showed anything, its that the above isn't just wrong, but that it is fatal for EVE Online. You guys need to shut up and get in line. According to CCP Greyscale the 0.0/sov rework will take approximately 5 years. There is also low sec and other in-space gameplay work. Maybe you'll get something new after all that has been handled.
I really beg to differ, the Incarna model was clearly the problem and I don't know how anyone could say otherwise. Through the outrage a bunch of newer players who didn't know anything of "ambulation" came to think it was trendy to bash avatars. NEX was the problem CCP's greed was the problem both Soundwave and Hilmar were/are the problem (to some degree). Most of CCP staff which understood the sandbox and WiS left years ago. Who we have left now seem to be largely incompetent. As an example at the end of last years alliance tournament Soundwave announced that he was taking a month vacation, and he was going to spend it by "playing a lot of LoL to learn more about micro-transactions" Not only does that represent a ridiculous state of affairs in terms of developer competance, that's not even a good game to learn those things, try TF2.
The NEX store, they went to NY and hired 7th avenue fashion consultants, just pause right there and think about what the actual problems are/were.
Ambulation and WiS represent something that could not only be an extention of the sandbox we love in FiS but it could bolster it by a great margin. If done with any sense.
Before it was even released at the same AT Soundwave said on air what the concept of WiS meant to him "dressing up dolls" this guy is an idiot with no knowledge of what has been discussed for years or even what WiS was intended to be at all.
Don't blame WiS because you don't understand it, or because CCP didn't/doesn't. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.10 18:02:00 -
[3068] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:wow 144 pages and still going lol
It would probably carry more weight and be much more significant if it wasn't the same half-dozen or so players posting over and over again in this thread speculating, whining and postulating.
But hey, for all the effort they got a 4 man Dev team and a solitary QA guy "commitment" , and some lip service saying CCP will do something with WIS, someday.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.02.10 18:43:00 -
[3069] - Quote
Fuee wrote:Razin wrote:Fuee wrote:CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. If the past year showed anything, its that the above isn't just wrong, but that it is fatal for EVE Online. You guys need to shut up and get in line. According to CCP Greyscale the 0.0/sov rework will take approximately 5 years. There is also low sec and other in-space gameplay work. Maybe you'll get something new after all that has been handled. I really beg to differ, the Incarna model was clearly the problem and I don't know how anyone could say otherwise. Through the outrage a bunch of newer players who didn't know anything of "ambulation" came to think it was trendy to bash avatars. NEX was the problem CCP's greed was the problem both Soundwave and Hilmar were/are the problem (to some degree). Most of CCP staff which understood the sandbox and WiS left years ago. Who we have left now seem to be largely incompetent. As an example at the end of last years alliance tournament Soundwave announced that he was taking a month vacation, and he was going to spend it by "playing a lot of LoL to learn more about micro-transactions" Not only does that represent a ridiculous state of affairs in terms of developer competance, that's not even a good game to learn those things, try TF2. The NEX store, they went to NY and hired 7th avenue fashion consultants, just pause right there and think about what the actual problems are/were. Ambulation and WiS represent something that could not only be an extention of the sandbox we love in FiS but it could bolster it by a great margin. If done with any sense. Before it was even released at the same AT Soundwave said on air what the concept of WiS meant to him "dressing up dolls" this guy is an idiot with no knowledge of what has been discussed for years or even what WiS was intended to be at all. Don't blame WiS because you don't understand it, or because CCP didn't/doesn't. CCP's implementation of Incarna as a NeX storefront at the expense of years of FiS development was an integral part of the overall cause of last year's disaster. That is the reality.
Your theoretical WIS that only you understand is a fantasy. It doesn't exist. Not because players complained about it. Not because it isn't something that would bring more customers. And not because CCP is keeping its development secret. It is because CCP just wasn't able, and is still not able to implement it. For reasons that start with feature planning and end with technical ability and resources availability.
Regrettable, however crying about it on the forum won't help. CCP is a corporation and this will be a business decision. CCP either acquires the right resources and tallent and does all the required work to deliver a quality product to attract new customers, or they don't, because they decide that their core competency gives them solid income from current customers and let's not fix what ain't broke. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:31:00 -
[3070] - Quote
Razin you forget that alot of the delay in FiS was due to the carbon project mean to make it much easier for eve to work on and not just Incarna WOD and Dust 514 most of those people inovloved in the other projects you probably dont want to have work on space features at all to begin with anyway It would suck if they had vampires in space.
CCP could have avoided a larger fiasco if they listened like they did post incarna, could have gotten more done with station walking if the left it on the test server. Even possibly more released all of thier internal dev news letters like a blog of the month ordeal but I do understand that this is supposed to be for dev eyes only if they where previously public they wouldnt been so lazy with the comments regarding the internal debates that led to so many fantasizing that ccp was actually going to put gold ammo in. I bet you previous deve letters if ever stolen and made public would have alot of things in them that would make even most veterans turn red with rage if they didnt know this was for dev consumption only.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:39:00 -
[3071] - Quote
Razin wrote:Fuee wrote:Razin wrote:Fuee wrote:CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. If the past year showed anything, its that the above isn't just wrong, but that it is fatal for EVE Online. You guys need to shut up and get in line. According to CCP Greyscale the 0.0/sov rework will take approximately 5 years. There is also low sec and other in-space gameplay work. Maybe you'll get something new after all that has been handled. I really beg to differ, the Incarna model was clearly the problem and I don't know how anyone could say otherwise. Through the outrage a bunch of newer players who didn't know anything of "ambulation" came to think it was trendy to bash avatars. NEX was the problem CCP's greed was the problem both Soundwave and Hilmar were/are the problem (to some degree). Most of CCP staff which understood the sandbox and WiS left years ago. Who we have left now seem to be largely incompetent. As an example at the end of last years alliance tournament Soundwave announced that he was taking a month vacation, and he was going to spend it by "playing a lot of LoL to learn more about micro-transactions" Not only does that represent a ridiculous state of affairs in terms of developer competance, that's not even a good game to learn those things, try TF2. The NEX store, they went to NY and hired 7th avenue fashion consultants, just pause right there and think about what the actual problems are/were. Ambulation and WiS represent something that could not only be an extention of the sandbox we love in FiS but it could bolster it by a great margin. If done with any sense. Before it was even released at the same AT Soundwave said on air what the concept of WiS meant to him "dressing up dolls" this guy is an idiot with no knowledge of what has been discussed for years or even what WiS was intended to be at all. Don't blame WiS because you don't understand it, or because CCP didn't/doesn't. CCP's implementation of Incarna as a NeX storefront at the expense of years of FiS development was an integral part of the overall cause of last year's disaster. That is the reality. Your theoretical WIS that only you understand is a fantasy. It doesn't exist. Not because players complained about it. Not because it isn't something that would bring more customers. And not because CCP is keeping its development secret. It is because CCP just wasn't able, and is still not able to implement it. For reasons that start with feature planning and end with technical ability and resources availability. Regrettable, however crying about it on the forum won't help. CCP is a corporation and this will be a business decision. CCP either acquires the right resources and tallent and does all the required work to deliver a quality product to attract new customers, or they don't, because they decide that their core competency gives them solid income from current customers and let's not fix what ain't broke.
So, the distraction from the FiS elements of Eve were not as you stated, WiS and NeX. They were Dust and WoD. What you claim distracted CCP from FiS was a small part of the problem.
As the the rest of the claims, unless you are a CCP employee working on this element of Eve directly it is impossible for you to know what you claim.
While I am skeptical of the technology chosen for ambulation but if there are still 60 folks working on WoD the ambulation engine has to be showing some promise.
Issler |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:42:00 -
[3072] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Razin you forget that alot of the delay in FiS was due to the carbon project mean to make it much easier for eve to work on and not just Incarna WOD and Dust 514 most of those people inovloved in the other projects you probably dont want to have work on space features at all to begin with anyway It would suck if they had vampires in space.
That's just not true. The devs came clean on the development time required for Crucible as a few weeks. (4-6 weeks of actual development time @ CCP Soundwave)
This theory also doesn't work as a reason for the apparent state of WIS. Incarna runs in a separate engine and could have been coded in parallel with 'carbonization' of the FiS client.
p.s. Dust runs in Unreal engine and has nothing to do with EVE/WIS/WoD.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:44:00 -
[3073] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Razin you forget that alot of the delay in FiS was due to the carbon project mean to make it much easier for eve to work on and not just Incarna WOD and Dust 514 most of those people inovloved in the other projects you probably dont want to have work on space features at all to begin with anyway It would suck if they had vampires in space.
Exactly. The "18 months" took a toll on the development of the visible game, but now CCP is adressing that by giving their love to nullsec issues and devoting 5 developers to do something that should had been done 3 years ago, aka putting some gameplay into WiS before developing WiS.
So first they didn't cooked anything for nobody, then they promised us cake, then they delivered a half-cooked fool-tasting little piece of cake, and now they are cooking bread and cake lovers are being trolled along the forums for asking about our cake. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:00:00 -
[3074] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: So, the distraction from the FiS elements of Eve were not as you stated, WiS and NeX. They were Dust and WoD. What you claim distracted CCP from FiS was a small part of the problem.
Man you are confused. Incarna in it's released form was a demo for WoD (as well as being the NeX storefront). So by definition that is what delayed everything else. This is not a secret and stated as such by CCP management in interviews and other recorded conversations (CSM).
Dust has absolutely nothing to do with any of this as that is a separate dev team in a different country under different contractual obligations.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:03:00 -
[3075] - Quote
Razin wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Razin you forget that alot of the delay in FiS was due to the carbon project mean to make it much easier for eve to work on and not just Incarna WOD and Dust 514 most of those people inovloved in the other projects you probably dont want to have work on space features at all to begin with anyway It would suck if they had vampires in space.
That's just not true. The devs came clean on the development time required for Crucible as a few weeks. This theory also doesn't work as a reason for the apparent state of WIS. Incarna runs in a separate engine and could have been coded in parallel with 'carbonization' of the FiS client. p.s. Dust runs in Unreal engine and has nothing to do with EVE/WIS/WoD. [edit to make clearer]
Dust has quite alot to do with eve improvements.
Ever noticed how all the trailers for dust had the new nebula in them LONG before eve had shown them to the public fanfest?
What about planetary graphics 3.0? That too was not only barrowed but stolen from dust 514 development.
Cabonization allows all Four of these games to work with features and improvements. Maybe one day eve will have radioscopic lighiting in space who knows.
Carbon Project itself was just alot of back end rebuidling eve which was well overdue for a 7 year old game with the original programmers no longer at work on the code anymore, Reverse engineering what they've done is extrodinarly a hard task.
And ask yourself honestly if they can do what they did in cruicible in 6 weeks then another 6 weeks for the second half why couldnt they done it for WiS in 18 months, here's a hint not everyone was working on wis at all.
Also in recent interveiws the technologies involved in WoD and Incarna are still seperate. Or'd we get hiar that actually get hair or clothes that collides with the body.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:13:00 -
[3076] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:arcca jeth wrote:wow 144 pages and still going lol It would probably carry more weight and be much more significant if it wasn't the same half-dozen or so players posting over and over again in this thread speculating, whining and postulating. But hey, for all the effort they got a 4 man Dev team and a solitary QA guy "commitment" , and some lip service saying CCP will do something with WIS, someday.
Seems there's a few die hard Anti-WiS players still trolling this thread even after CCP responded and verified WiS is here to stay and will be further developed with game play content.
Yes, there's a small team of some very excellent CCP Dev's working on WiS. As with all things, it'll take some time.
What's ironic is seeing you post that reply considering you've done a lot of speculating, whining and postulating in this thread about WiS killing Eve. Obviously some people just won't graciously concede. |
Eveliy
Coronize
21
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:17:00 -
[3077] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Eveliy wrote:Fuee wrote:So DUST soldiers are superior to capsuleers? Thanks CCP As CCP never said they would give up on WiS or walking capsuleers I think that we will make use of that technology sooner or later, as well. I'd also not say that they're superior. They can just horribly die more often and everywhere whereas we have all the tools to steer New Eden's greatest ships on our own. :) Another edit: That sleeper tech is even able to scan your brain continiously and not only a few momens before your death. so you remember your own death until the last moment the brains stops? wow knowing what is going to happen when you die and stil get into that pod on the balcony Team Avatar could at least change the position of the pod
Nope, you do not remember your own death. Our implants ensure that. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:17:00 -
[3078] - Quote
Carbon has absolutely nothing to do with Dust. It's for PC based games and is the foundation for WOD, which was beta tested by EVE players. EVE is Carbon's proving ground for building other PC based games like WOD.
Graphic backgrounds when properly created can be recycled for multiple gaming platforms. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:20:00 -
[3079] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:arcca jeth wrote:wow 144 pages and still going lol It would probably carry more weight and be much more significant if it wasn't the same half-dozen or so players posting over and over again in this thread speculating, whining and postulating. But hey, for all the effort they got a 4 man Dev team and a solitary QA guy "commitment" , and some lip service saying CCP will do something with WIS, someday. Seems there's a few die hard Anti-WiS players still trolling this thread even after CCP responded and verified WiS is here to stay and will be further developed with game play content. Yes, there's a small team of some very excellent CCP Dev's working on WiS. As with all things, it'll take some time. What's ironic is seeing you post that reply considering you've done a lot of speculating, whining and postulating in this thread about WiS killing Eve. Obviously some people just won't graciously concede.
I've done no such thing, you have me confused with someone else. I'm one of those players who could care less about WIS as long as FIS does not suffer for it.
Please try to keep up. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:21:00 -
[3080] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Razin wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Razin you forget that alot of the delay in FiS was due to the carbon project mean to make it much easier for eve to work on and not just Incarna WOD and Dust 514 most of those people inovloved in the other projects you probably dont want to have work on space features at all to begin with anyway It would suck if they had vampires in space.
That's just not true. The devs came clean on the development time required for Crucible as a few weeks. This theory also doesn't work as a reason for the apparent state of WIS. Incarna runs in a separate engine and could have been coded in parallel with 'carbonization' of the FiS client. p.s. Dust runs in Unreal engine and has nothing to do with EVE/WIS/WoD. [edit to make clearer] Dust has quite alot to do with eve improvements. Ever noticed how all the trailers for dust had the new nebula in them LONG before eve had shown them to the public fanfest? What about planetary graphics 3.0? That too was not only barrowed but stolen from dust 514 development. Cabonization allows all Four of these games to work with features and improvements. Maybe one day eve will have radioscopic lighiting in space who knows. Carbon Project itself was just alot of back end rebuidling eve which was well overdue for a 7 year old game with the original programmers no longer at work on the code anymore, Reverse engineering what they've done is extrodinarly a hard task. And ask yourself honestly if they can do what they did in cruicible in 6 weeks then another 6 weeks for the second half why couldnt they done it for WiS in 18 months, here's a hint not everyone was working on wis at all. Lol at your dust trailer argument. All that tells us is that the new nebulas were ready back then and were just laying aroung on someone's hd all of this time waiting for CCP CEO to pull his head out of where the sun don't shine.
The rest of your arguments would have sounded pretty reasonable had CCP not provided the break-down of team sizes and priorities for the different 'EVE-related' projects a couple of years ago, as well as official statements made last year. As it stands, however, you are in contradiction with reality. |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:24:00 -
[3081] - Quote
Razin wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Razin wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Razin you forget that alot of the delay in FiS was due to the carbon project mean to make it much easier for eve to work on and not just Incarna WOD and Dust 514 most of those people inovloved in the other projects you probably dont want to have work on space features at all to begin with anyway It would suck if they had vampires in space.
That's just not true. The devs came clean on the development time required for Crucible as a few weeks. This theory also doesn't work as a reason for the apparent state of WIS. Incarna runs in a separate engine and could have been coded in parallel with 'carbonization' of the FiS client. p.s. Dust runs in Unreal engine and has nothing to do with EVE/WIS/WoD. [edit to make clearer] Dust has quite alot to do with eve improvements. Ever noticed how all the trailers for dust had the new nebula in them LONG before eve had shown them to the public fanfest? What about planetary graphics 3.0? That too was not only barrowed but stolen from dust 514 development. Cabonization allows all Four of these games to work with features and improvements. Maybe one day eve will have radioscopic lighiting in space who knows. Carbon Project itself was just alot of back end rebuidling eve which was well overdue for a 7 year old game with the original programmers no longer at work on the code anymore, Reverse engineering what they've done is extrodinarly a hard task. And ask yourself honestly if they can do what they did in cruicible in 6 weeks then another 6 weeks for the second half why couldnt they done it for WiS in 18 months, here's a hint not everyone was working on wis at all. Lol at your dust trailer argument. All that tells us is that the new nebulas were ready back then and were just laying aroung on someone's hd all of this time waiting for CCP CEO to pull his head out of where the sun don't shine. The rest of your arguments would have sounded pretty reasonable had CCP not provided the break-down of team sizes and priorities for the different 'EVE-related' projects a couple of years ago, as well as official statements made last year. As it stands, however, you are in contradiction with reality.
They didnt have all 200 employees at ccp working on WiS last time I checked the numbers during that time.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:41:00 -
[3082] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote: They didnt have all 200 employees at ccp working on WiS last time I checked the numbers during that time.
According to CCP it was 70 developers during the summer of 2010 (the start of '18 months'). I'll bet you the numbers ramped up towards deployment, especially when it became painfully clear that the team couldn't keep to schedule. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:50:00 -
[3083] - Quote
Zirse wrote:Flamespar wrote:Zirse wrote: I think everyone can somewhat agree that ambulation in the future would be great for eve.
The issue is that right now it deserves 0 resources because the core of the game, the game that we all signed up for, is still in dire need of a myriad of overhauls. And yes, right ow FiS IS the core of the game so please spare me the 'simulator' **** until the EVE experience actually backs that up.
CCP can and should revisit ambulation in ~5 years when eve is on firm ground and the tech can actually support it.
Fortunately. CCP does not share your view - that we should wait 5 plus years for Incarna. Nor do many players. lol ok. I will be waiting here with my told you so.
Ahhh, please do wait for a chance to say that. You'll be waiting forever.
In the meantime here's a really big 'Told you so' from all the Pro-WiS players due to CCP stating that WiS content is being developed.
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Seems there's a few die hard Anti-WiS players still trolling this thread even after CCP responded and verified WiS is here to stay and will be further developed with game play content.
Yes, there's a small team of some very excellent CCP Dev's working on WiS. As with all things, it'll take some time.
What's ironic is seeing you post that reply considering you've done a lot of speculating, whining and postulating in this thread about WiS killing Eve. Obviously some people just won't graciously concede.
I've done no such thing, you have me confused with someone else. I'm one of those players who could care less about WIS as long as FIS does not suffer for it. Please try to keep up.
No, I don't have you confused with anyone else and Yes you have done a lot of Anti-Wis posturing while speculating on it's future along with whining how it's destroying Eve.
If you really didn't care you wouldn't be here trolling this thread. Plain and simple.
By the way, don't even bother saying that you're here to remind CCP to continue concentrating on FiS content.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:03:00 -
[3084] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
No, I don't have you confused with anyone else and Yes you have done a lot of Anti-Wis posturing while speculating on it's future along with whining how it's destroying Eve.
If you really didn't care you wouldn't be here trolling this thread. Plain and simple.
By the way, don't even bother saying that you're here to remind CCP to continue concentrating on FiS content.
I'm here "trolling" idiots like you that think you are gonna get 1/10 of what you expect from WIS in the next year and feel smug/justified that whining got you some lip service, 4 token Devs and a QA guy who are working on "something".
If pointing out the truth that taking 18-months away from FIS development, spending 4+ years building and then delivering a ham-fisted cash shop and a Captain's Closet was bad for the game (via subscriptions) in general makes me anti-WIS than I am guilty as charged.
I'll state it again: No WIS at the expense of FIS.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:15:00 -
[3085] - Quote
All that trolling about a 5 man dev team on wis?
funny
edit : what about a 60 men dev team on WOD ,meaning CCP is still over her head with development resources or going to be again . I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:26:00 -
[3086] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
edit : what about a 60 men dev team on WOD ,meaning CCP is still over her head with development resources or going to be again .
Do we know who these guys are and who is financing this effort? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:28:00 -
[3087] - Quote
Razin wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
edit : what about a 60 men dev team on WOD ,meaning CCP is still over her head with development resources or going to be again .
Do we know who these guys are and who is financing this effort?
well only CCP can tell that,but they are not telling us I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:47:00 -
[3088] - Quote
Razin wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: So, the distraction from the FiS elements of Eve were not as you stated, WiS and NeX. They were Dust and WoD. What you claim distracted CCP from FiS was a small part of the problem.
Man you are confused. Incarna in it's released form was a demo for WoD (as well as being the NeX storefront). So by definition that is what delayed everything else. This is not a secret and stated as such by CCP management in interviews and other recorded conversations (CSM). Dust has absolutely nothing to do with any of this as that is a separate dev team in a different country under different contractual obligations.
CCP has finite resources. Every developer that was working on Dust could either have been working on Eve or replaced with someone that was working on Eve. So to say Dust didn't distract CCP from Eve is flat wrong. The fact that you think the majority of the WoD team was working on Captains Cell also shows that clues elude you.
Issler |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:53:00 -
[3089] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
No, I don't have you confused with anyone else and Yes you have done a lot of Anti-Wis posturing while speculating on it's future along with whining how it's destroying Eve.
If you really didn't care you wouldn't be here trolling this thread. Plain and simple.
By the way, don't even bother saying that you're here to remind CCP to continue concentrating on FiS content.
I'm here "trolling" idiots like you that think you are gonna get 1/10 of what you expect from WIS in the next year and feel smug/justified that whining got you some lip service, 4 token Devs and a QA guy who are working on "something". If pointing out the truth that taking 18-months away from FIS development, spending 4+ years building and then delivering a ham-fisted cash shop and a Captain's Closet was bad for the game (via subscriptions) in general makes me anti-WIS than I am guilty as charged. I'll state it again: No WIS at the expense of FIS.
Gawd, another idiot trying to blame WiS for the events of the Incarna Summer. Please stop misrepresenting the facts. First of all, nobody has stated that there will be an influx of WiS gameplay content added this year. I expect to see very little WiS content added due to CCP fixing problems that have plagued this game for years. However, I do think this game will have a lot of WiS game content added next year.
Please inform me what 18 months you're talking about. I don't know what game you've been playing but there's been a lot of FiS content constantly added to Eve, especially in the past 4 years.
The Captains Quarters (WiS) was not the reason for the un-subs, even though it did fall short of the players expectations..
Nobody expected or wanted NEX and MT. The playerbase all got scared and went into a frenzy about the possibility of 'Gold Ammo' and P2W, along with rage being fueled due to the Fearless Letter, Hilmar's statement, lack of communication from CCP and various bugs not being fixed along with adding unfinished content resulting in breaking more existing game content. Not to mention CCP taking away players option of choice for station environment which resulted with the insult of being shown 'The Door'. Along with that, some very outspoken protestors were banned with forum moderators excessively locking threads right and left pretty much sealed the deal.
Lastly, I haven't seen anyone state they want WiS development to negate FiS development. |
RC Denton
Wages Of Sin
7
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:04:00 -
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I think you folks calling for more WIS content are missing a crucial issue. That would be the fact that when WiS is turned on the performance of the client goes to crap with CQ rendering just one avatar on the screen. Now consider what would happen in a cantina setting on a station like Jita? I think at that point people would see their rigs doing a good impersonation of Fukushima, even the higher end ones. Now think about people who multi-box.
I think that WiS for the most part is a non-starter. In station eye candy would be nice, in station blaster fights would be awesome. But I don't see it happening with the technology they rolled out with CQ. Given the amount of effort I would expect it would take to clean that up and optimize it, I'd much rather that effort be spent making ships cooler to fly with more stuff to do in space.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:06:00 -
[3091] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Stuff
You sure just spent a lot of words turning what I actually said into stuff you think, and want to believe I said. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:38:00 -
[3092] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Stuff You sure just spent a lot of words turning what I actually said into stuff you think, and want to believe I said.
lol, and that's the best rebuttal you can come up with?
+1 for trying.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:43:00 -
[3093] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Stuff You sure just spent a lot of words turning what I actually said into stuff you think, and want to believe I said. lol, and that's the best rebuttal you can come up with? +1 for trying.
It wasn't a rebuttal, it was pointing out that you lack reading comprehension skills and you think I am saying what you want to believe.
You can have your +1 back, you need it more than me.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:46:00 -
[3094] - Quote
RC Denton wrote:I think you folks calling for more WIS content are missing a crucial issue. That would be the fact that when WiS is turned on the performance of the client goes to crap with CQ rendering just one avatar on the screen. Now consider what would happen in a cantina setting on a station like Jita? I think at that point people would see their rigs doing a good impersonation of Fukushima, even the higher end ones. Now think about people who multi-box.
I think that WiS for the most part is a non-starter. In station eye candy would be nice, in station blaster fights would be awesome. But I don't see it happening with the technology they rolled out with CQ. Given the amount of effort I would expect it would take to clean that up and optimize it, I'd much rather that effort be spent making ships cooler to fly with more stuff to do in space.
I seriously doubt that will be an issue. CCP has had the opportunity to get under the hood and modify extensively the Unreal Engine for DUST. I have little doubt that they learned a great deal that can be adapted to their own engine and applicable to WIS content eventually, and is currently being incorporated into WOD.
That would be one of the benefits of combining large parts of the underlying tech between their various properties. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:47:00 -
[3095] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Razin wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: So, the distraction from the FiS elements of Eve were not as you stated, WiS and NeX. They were Dust and WoD. What you claim distracted CCP from FiS was a small part of the problem.
Man you are confused. Incarna in it's released form was a demo for WoD (as well as being the NeX storefront). So by definition that is what delayed everything else. This is not a secret and stated as such by CCP management in interviews and other recorded conversations (CSM). Dust has absolutely nothing to do with any of this as that is a separate dev team in a different country under different contractual obligations. CCP has finite resources. Every developer that was working on Dust could either have been working on Eve or replaced with someone that was working on Eve. So to say Dust didn't distract CCP from Eve is flat wrong. The fact that you think the majority of the WoD team was working on Captains Cell also shows that clues elude you. Issler
Well, i already stated a few times that DUST 514 is a different beast of EVE. DUST has been developed in Shanghai by a team working on a well knonw, iindustry-proven engine. So DUST's main strain on Reykjavik's developers may have been integration, but the heavy work of art and development has been carried by Shanghai. And in a sense, we can guess that Shanghai's developers are more "industry standard" rather than the powerhorses that keep EVe in the cutting edge. Probably the higher strain of DUST on Reykjavik's developers is now, with the need to develop fixes to keep players happy and integrate DUST's mechanics and software into TQ.
Bear in mind, Summer 2012 is gonna see all the foundations to make DUST active by Q3 so there's a lot of things to do: fix the old content and add and (hopefully) polish the new DUST related content, mechanics and software. Nullsec whiners, in all regards, will get from DUST more than they bargained for.
Wishfully thinking, maybe we could get CQ multiplayer by Winter 2012 along with whatever else they want to feed to nullsec whiners. But that should be CCP's inititative as the CSM won't help us out and it takes a lot of planning ahead to add new content. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
221
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:56:00 -
[3096] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:RC Denton wrote:I think you folks calling for more WIS content are missing a crucial issue. That would be the fact that when WiS is turned on the performance of the client goes to crap with CQ rendering just one avatar on the screen. Now consider what would happen in a cantina setting on a station like Jita? I think at that point people would see their rigs doing a good impersonation of Fukushima, even the higher end ones. Now think about people who multi-box.
I think that WiS for the most part is a non-starter. In station eye candy would be nice, in station blaster fights would be awesome. But I don't see it happening with the technology they rolled out with CQ. Given the amount of effort I would expect it would take to clean that up and optimize it, I'd much rather that effort be spent making ships cooler to fly with more stuff to do in space.
I seriously doubt that will be an issue. CCP has had the opportunity to get under the hood and modify extensively the Unreal Engine for DUST. I have little doubt that they learned a great deal that can be adapted to their own engine and applicable to WIS content eventually, and is currently being incorporated into WOD. That would be one of the benefits of combining large parts of the underlying tech between their various properties. It will be interesting to see the next devblog from the avitar team. High end gameing rig on Sisi is running 3 clients all effects with the two in CQ is running at 30 FPS with the avitar on the catwalk looking back toward the CQ screen. This is an improvement from where it was just a month ago. The issue is the droping of effects as the FPS drops so it stays responsive.
That tech is in work becouse it gives major wins both for CQ and FIS. The clumsyness of changing the graphic level between CQ and FIS is the main reason why most poeple just turn the CQ off. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:30:00 -
[3097] - Quote
Just because its an engine doesnt mean it cannot be shoved into annother game engine entirely. Look at Frostbite, they use Enlighten Engine in it just like Incarna
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:49:00 -
[3098] - Quote
My estimates put it in 2013 spring/summer acutally. but meh. Depends how well 'War' Expansions go.
My guestimate on any before that additions will include Optimization and User-ability
Also back to the carbon issue.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=788 the most english version of the blog. The others are slightly worse to extreme technobabble and this blog links a few more other coreification of eve blogs.
26+ developers that are prime real-estate at ccp was working on carbon thats much more significant than team best friends forever who was responsible for a thrid of the awsome which is known as cruicble in which most of that team where IMPORTED developers from World of Darkness and they only touched the UI sections.
I also have a strange suspicion that the same technology responsible for incarana will be responsible for Dust 514 War-rooms. Since enlighten engine is so easy to shove elsewhere within another engine.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.11 05:03:00 -
[3099] - Quote
we can,t make any estimates ,before Team Avatar will shed some light on some matters
- there is some already made art for WIS not used ,can it be put in WIS
- After going to some threads this one and those in features and ideas,will they have some ideas to put in WIS
- is improvement and optimization of the engine possible I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
45
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Posted - 2012.02.11 08:35:00 -
[3100] - Quote
I think the general playerbase wants WiS, but not at tremendous costs to other things. So I applaud CCP on taking their time with this one and releasing some other, more pressing goodies in the mean time, like hybrid fixes and the gank insurance change. Plus, CCP in their infinite wisdom immediately realized that taking away gank insurance would clear the gank chokepoints out unless they released the tornado to balance it out.
All in all, I say stop complaining about CCP's progress so far and do something more productive, like keep feeding them with brilliant feedback and ideas so they can maintain their streak of awesome. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:06:00 -
[3101] - Quote
I dont care about it for one simple reason.
Just what it is, is enough to destroy my computer dont want to even think about station full of people. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:22:00 -
[3102] - Quote
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:I dont care about it for one simple reason.
Just what it is, is enough to destroy my computer dont want to even think about station full of people.
If thats true, than your computer needed to be destroyed years ago. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:19:00 -
[3103] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:I dont care about it for one simple reason.
Just what it is, is enough to destroy my computer dont want to even think about station full of people. If thats true, than your computer needed to be destroyed years ago.
or remove the dust out if it ,once a month will do miracles
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Loomey
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:56:00 -
[3104] - Quote
if they put walking in stations i wanna see it where you cant access your ship from your room and you can be like shanked in the hallway and lose your clone getting to your ship. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.12 11:51:00 -
[3105] - Quote
nice, team avatar headed by the same 2 devs that failed the first time, look at these two talking about incarna with a straight face, just makes me sick NEVER FORGET tell me, what has changed? so far the only improvement i've seen is that the few dev answers posted here featured the word "gameplay".
is it going to be the same crap served on a different dish? you go ahead and eat it up, i won't
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:01:00 -
[3106] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:nice, team avatar headed by the same 2 devs that failed the first time, look at these two talking about incarna with a straight face, just makes me sick NEVER FORGETtell me, what has changed? so far the only improvement i've seen is that the few dev answers posted here featured the word "gameplay". is it going to be the same crap served on a different dish? you go ahead and eat it up, i won't
aah one of my favourite trolls is back ,where have you been the only one who trolls and still giving us great ideas about some gameplay i don,t know its the same or different dish or if i want to eat what CCP serves for dinner time will tell I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:07:00 -
[3107] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:nice, team avatar headed by the same 2 devs that failed the first time, look at these two talking about incarna with a straight face, just makes me sick NEVER FORGETtell me, what has changed? so far the only improvement i've seen is that the few dev answers posted here featured the word "gameplay". is it going to be the same crap served on a different dish? you go ahead and eat it up, i won't aah one of my favourite trolls is back ,where have you been the only one who trolls and still giving us great ideas about some gameplay i don,t know its the same or different dish or if i want to eat what CCP serves for dinner time will tell
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.13 01:58:00 -
[3108] - Quote
Given that captains quarters was explicity an environment for new players (except for the NeX store) I would be interested in hearing if it has helped improve the retention of new players.
This should be included in the promised dev blog.
It would also be interesting to see any stats CCP has on the number of players that have left their CQ on. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.13 20:13:00 -
[3109] - Quote
Well, I don't have CQ continuously active but I do enter it when I'm going to be docked for a while. I like it a lot better than just ship spinning in the hangar.
Definitely would be great to have more content with it, such as playing vids on the main center screen. |
Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
33
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:33:00 -
[3110] - Quote
WiS is pointless. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.13 23:30:00 -
[3111] - Quote
Marcus Harikari wrote:WiS is pointless.
Very hard to argue with such a well constructed argument.........
Issler |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.14 04:21:00 -
[3112] - Quote
very hard to defend the merits of wis if it's just social gaming o7m8/dance and no meaningful gameplay & content on the horizon.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
13
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Posted - 2012.02.14 07:01:00 -
[3113] - Quote
If folks remember that when incarna started up and you could walk around the Captin's quarters people started having a problems. not everyone but a good size of the eve community. This looks awsome as you play around with the character customization and then you enter the Captins quarters exploring it in aww of what the Devs of Eve have done and you hear a loud pop from your tower and everything dies as smoke comes up from your beautiful tower you spent so much time putting together.
From my investigation of things its a combination of things but i lay iskies down that a VERY large portion were overclocking the system. yeah i know the over clocking software has greatly improved but it is also limited to cooling and the type you are using and i know that there are many smokers in the world of Eve....Smoke outside you spent hundreds of dollars on your machine.
ahhh screw it you all will figure it out when you remove head from rectum |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2012.02.14 08:42:00 -
[3114] - Quote
Someone's been watching too much spartacus. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2012.02.14 12:05:00 -
[3115] - Quote
It was a shame that the NeX and WIS were released together in the way that it was. NeX was rushed in it seems to co-inside with the WIS release and I can imagine it took away somewhat from the resources available for CQ, perhaps causing the late-arrival of the other 3 racial quarters.
The annoying thing is that I think a lot of the hate directed at WIS was fuelled by the NeX store at least in part. Yes there are those that will never like to do WIS but then there are always those that might choose not do do Science and Industry. This is completely to be expected. Granted WIS has little point beyond RP at the moment but if it did have a point perhaps it might be more interesting.
The lack of FIS content fuelled the fire even further. With so many broken mechanics in the game, releasing a new one that was in no way polished or finished was just terrible. But, we know all this and CCP have gone a long way to fixing things. Time has moved on and CCP has put considerable effort into the areas that a lot of players have wanted. There is still a lot of ground to cover, most notably in FW, Wars, SOV areas but things are none-the-less moving in the right direction.
I believe the complete writing off of WIS by CCP was a knee jerk reaction and an attempt to win some pride back from the community. Kinda like saying "yeah look you were right, we're putting it all in the bin". I think therefore it is time that CCP can and should start discussing their plans for WIS with the community again and most importantly separate those plans from the NeX store.
I would like to see more made of WIS. Not at the expense of the game in general but I would also like to know if CCP really plan on ever moving it forward or is it on the shelf forever. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2012.02.14 12:37:00 -
[3116] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:Basically, "our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release". From my perspective anything we do has to be compelling and if we can find a compelling gameplay experience in expanding the CQ with multiplayer aspects then that is something we'd definitely look at. We are definitely going to be looking at letting you out of the CQ though as they'd get crowded pretty quickly. ;)
Serious point - don't underestimate the role-play aspect of multilayer WIS in it's own right.
The original concepts of meeting rooms and maps were actually really good I thought. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Momma Lovebone
Doomheim
7
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Posted - 2012.02.14 12:46:00 -
[3117] - Quote
Walking and looking is not gameplay.
A solo character in a sealed room with no gameplay isn't a feature.
Screw walking in stations....if there was something to DO in stations other than buying new boots for Barbie this would probably get more support. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.14 12:55:00 -
[3118] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote: Granted WIS has little point beyond RP at the moment but if it did have a point perhaps it might be more interesting.
This always confused me about the EVE community. What exactly do you mean by "roleplay"? because to me it's all just part of the game i'm playing and things like CQ just help to solidify the immersion i feel with the game.
A role-player is someone that actually pretends to be the character in a game, and i would hate to be lumped in with that category of human being |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2360
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Posted - 2012.02.14 12:56:00 -
[3119] - Quote
People wanted to walk in space. It morphed into walking in stations through years of miscommunication. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.02.14 13:04:00 -
[3120] - Quote
Momma Lovebone wrote:Walking and looking is not gameplay.
A solo character in a sealed room with no gameplay isn't a feature.
Screw walking in stations....if there was something to DO in stations other than buying new boots for Barbie this would probably get more support. You might have missed it, but that is what a lot of players are actually asking for: more meaningful things to do and interaction with others. I agree that what we got wasn't gameplay in any way and that it was very disappointing, altough I like the quarters as a start. |
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Momma Lovebone
Doomheim
7
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Posted - 2012.02.14 13:14:00 -
[3121] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Momma Lovebone wrote:Walking and looking is not gameplay.
A solo character in a sealed room with no gameplay isn't a feature.
Screw walking in stations....if there was something to DO in stations other than buying new boots for Barbie this would probably get more support. You might have missed it, but that is what a lot of players are actually asking for: more meaningful things to do and interaction with others. I agree that what we got wasn't gameplay in any way and that it was very disappointing, altough I like the quarters as a start.
Sorry, next time I'll read 140 pages before I throw another log into the fire so I don't bore you at work. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
834
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Posted - 2012.02.14 13:22:00 -
[3122] - Quote
All we need inside stations is mindclash.
Make it like Scribblenauts but in 3D
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Sweetest Kiss
9
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Posted - 2012.02.14 13:39:00 -
[3123] - Quote
Only now realized there is a new Team Avatar working on WiS and even posting updates in this thread.
That is GREAT.
From all the stuff currently in development in Eve you have THE MOST support at least from me.
Keep up the good work and give us the great WiS that was promised us years back by CCP. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.14 14:08:00 -
[3124] - Quote
Skippermonkey wrote:All we need inside stations is mindclash.
Make it like Scribblenauts but in 3D
Agreed, there are a few things in the chronicles that could have a place in stations and multiplayer activities. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3133
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Posted - 2012.02.14 14:33:00 -
[3125] - Quote
In the longer term, WiS is essential to EVE's continued survival & growth. The prize of adding a whole new dimension of gameplay is too precious to abandon. Successful development of WiS will bring micro-scale play to complement the macro-scale gameplay we already have, and a level of fine grained detail we lack to fill in the epic scope we have that no other online experience can remotely match. Arguments to the contrary reduce to "The first attempt was badly managed, therefore the concept is flawed". The fallacy is obvious.
In the shorter term, I'm more than happy for CCP to be focusing on spaceships while they work out the technical shortcomings of the Incarna engine and put together a clear, consistent, relevant vision of what kind of gameplay WiS should have. In other words, to complete the foundation work that was not done when Incarna went live.
If this adds 6-12 months to the wait for the next Incarna expansion, then so be it; the first attribute of the EVE player is patience. Better that it be done right than that it be done soon. I hope that the Summer 12 expansion is 99% focused on spaceships. I will be disappointed if the Summer 13 expansion isn't 80% focused on Incarna. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2012.02.14 14:43:00 -
[3126] - Quote
Given the assumption that they've unfucked the spaceships part of EVE by then, sure, go hog wild with incarna. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.14 15:09:00 -
[3127] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: In the longer term, WiS is essential to EVE's continued survival & growth. The prize of adding a whole new dimension of gameplay is too precious to abandon. Successful development of WiS will bring micro-scale play to complement the macro-scale gameplay we already have, and a level of fine grained detail we lack to fill in the epic scope we have that no other online experience can remotely match. Arguments to the contrary reduce to "The first attempt was badly managed, therefore the concept is flawed". The fallacy is obvious.
In the shorter term, I'm more than happy for CCP to be focusing on spaceships while they work out the technical shortcomings of the Incarna engine and put together a clear, consistent, relevant vision of what kind of gameplay WiS should have. In other words, to complete the foundation work that was not done when Incarna went live.
If this adds 6-12 months to the wait for the next Incarna expansion, then so be it; the first attribute of the EVE player is patience. Better that it be done right than that it be done soon. I hope that the Summer 12 expansion is 99% focused on spaceships. I will be disappointed if the Summer 13 expansion isn't 80% focused on Incarna.
Sure Malcanis, you have an optimistic outlook and that is nice and dandy. The problem is simply: there is no godamn gameplay (can i kill ppl, can i make isk off it, do i have to do station stuff for sov-controlled stations). Will it stand as it's own niche of gameplay with enough substance to fill out its own branch on the "what to do in eve" diagram in your signature. or will it simply be useless like in my signature?
But no, not even a fart of a hint in the devblog and dev posts on what they are going to do with it. Most importantly, there is no change in the leadership of "team avatar" (the new team of about 8 devs working on wis) It is still headed by the two i shall not name who brought us incarna 1.0. Based on these circumstances it is more than likely that incarna 2.0 will be the same ***** served on a different plate, except now we can have multiple avatars in the same room ie a useless bigger CQ, then what? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.14 15:10:00 -
[3128] - Quote
Well I dont mind the single player quaters thing as long as they have time to optimize and make the CQ load and run faster.
May I also point out the queen of geekdom just recenlty +1 incarna's avatar creation. Shes followed by a good 10 million fans so who knows how many of them downloaded the trail only to get upset that the avatars are nearly useless.
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Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2012.02.14 15:48:00 -
[3129] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Wacktopia wrote: Granted WIS has little point beyond RP at the moment but if it did have a point perhaps it might be more interesting. This always confused me about the EVE community. What exactly do you mean by "roleplay"? because to me it's all just part of the game i'm playing and things like CQ just help to solidify the immersion i feel with the game. A role-player is someone that actually pretends to be the character in a game, and i would hate to be lumped in with that category of human being
I guess I mean that there is no real reason to use CQ other than if you like the idea of sitting on a couch to do some of the things you can do through the icons. The fact that this experience is single player makes it dull. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2012.02.14 15:58:00 -
[3130] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn
Instead of trying to create the whole "open multiplayer atrium" that will have 1000 toons wondering around in Jita, causign havoc to the server and clients how about scaling it down....
An Idea
- Make the "door" open to a "lift" - The "lift" goes to a private corp "meeting", "map", "directors" rooms (only other corp members can enter) - Only available if your corp has an "office" in station - Limit room capacity. Irl there would be a physical limit to the number of bodies in any given room - Possibility of allowing access to CEO/Directors of alliances member corps.
Impact
- Lower server overheads because there will be separate rooms with smaller numbers of people - Lower client needs because the room will be smaller and the number of people will be lower than an atrium - Limited number of 'rooms' because of corp office costs etc. - It provides something actually useful that is a small extension from CQ.
Something like this will allow the 5-man team working on WIS to have a smaller, more achievable goal than a massive atrium with 1000 players in whilst providing an excellent function in game. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:25:00 -
[3131] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn
Instead of trying to create the whole "open multiplayer atrium" that will have 1000 toons wondering around in Jita, causign havoc to the server and clients how about scaling it down.... An Idea- Make the "door" open to a "lift" - The "lift" goes to a private corp "meeting", "map", "directors" rooms (only other corp members can enter) - Only available if your corp has an "office" in station - Limit room capacity. Irl there would be a physical limit to the number of bodies in any given room - Possibility of allowing access to CEO/Directors of alliances member corps. Impact - Lower server overheads because there will be separate rooms with smaller numbers of people - Lower client needs because the room will be smaller and the number of people will be lower than an atrium - Limited number of 'rooms' because of corp office costs etc. - It provides something actually useful that is a small extension from CQ. Something like this will allow the 5-man team working on WIS to have a smaller, more achievable goal that that massive atrium with 1000 players in whilst providing an excellent function in game.
Team Avatar, think about ideas like these, smaller incremental improvements marching towards an immersive wonderful scifi experience!
Issler
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foxnod
BOAE INC GIANTSBANE.
38
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:41:00 -
[3132] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Malcanis wrote: In the longer term, WiS is essential to EVE's continued survival & growth. The prize of adding a whole new dimension of gameplay is too precious to abandon. Successful development of WiS will bring micro-scale play to complement the macro-scale gameplay we already have, and a level of fine grained detail we lack to fill in the epic scope we have that no other online experience can remotely match. Arguments to the contrary reduce to "The first attempt was badly managed, therefore the concept is flawed". The fallacy is obvious.
In the shorter term, I'm more than happy for CCP to be focusing on spaceships while they work out the technical shortcomings of the Incarna engine and put together a clear, consistent, relevant vision of what kind of gameplay WiS should have. In other words, to complete the foundation work that was not done when Incarna went live.
If this adds 6-12 months to the wait for the next Incarna expansion, then so be it; the first attribute of the EVE player is patience. Better that it be done right than that it be done soon. I hope that the Summer 12 expansion is 99% focused on spaceships. I will be disappointed if the Summer 13 expansion isn't 80% focused on Incarna. Sure Malcanis, you have an optimistic outlook and that is nice and dandy. The problem is simply: there is no godamn gameplay (can i kill ppl, can i make isk off it, do i have to do station stuff for sov-controlled stations). Will it stand as it's own niche of gameplay with enough substance to fill out its own branch on the "what to do in eve" diagram in your signature. or will it simply be useless like in my signature? But no, not even a fart of a hint in the devblog and dev posts on what they are going to do with it. Most importantly, there is no change in the leadership of "team avatar" (the new team of about 8 devs working on wis) It is still headed by the two i shall not name who brought us incarna 1.0. Based on these circumstances it is more than likely that incarna 2.0 will be the same ***** served on a different plate, except now we can have multiple avatars in the same room ie a useless bigger CQ, then what?
+10
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:37:00 -
[3133] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: In the longer term, WiS is essential to EVE's continued survival & growth. The prize of adding a whole new dimension of gameplay is too precious to abandon. Successful development of WiS will bring micro-scale play to complement the macro-scale gameplay we already have, and a level of fine grained detail we lack to fill in the epic scope we have that no other online experience can remotely match. Arguments to the contrary reduce to "The first attempt was badly managed, therefore the concept is flawed". The fallacy is obvious.
In the shorter term, I'm more than happy for CCP to be focusing on spaceships while they work out the technical shortcomings of the Incarna engine and put together a clear, consistent, relevant vision of what kind of gameplay WiS should have. In other words, to complete the foundation work that was not done when Incarna went live.
If this adds 6-12 months to the wait for the next Incarna expansion, then so be it; the first attribute of the EVE player is patience. Better that it be done right than that it be done soon. I hope that the Summer 12 expansion is 99% focused on spaceships. I will be disappointed if the Summer 13 expansion isn't 80% focused on Incarna. Very well said.
+1
Wacktopia wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn
Instead of trying to create the whole "open multiplayer atrium" that will have 1000 toons wondering around in Jita, causign havoc to the server and clients how about scaling it down.... An Idea- Make the "door" open to a "lift" - The "lift" goes to a private corp "meeting", "map", "directors" rooms (only other corp members can enter) - Only available if your corp has an "office" in station - Limit room capacity. Irl there would be a physical limit to the number of bodies in any given room - Possibility of allowing access to CEO/Directors of alliances member corps. Impact - Lower server overheads because there will be separate rooms with smaller numbers of people - Lower client needs because the room will be smaller and the number of people will be lower than an atrium - Limited number of 'rooms' because of corp office costs etc. - It provides something actually useful that is a small extension from CQ. Something like this will allow the 5-man team working on WIS to have a smaller, more achievable goal that that massive atrium with 1000 players in whilst providing an excellent function in game.
Good starting point.
+1
Should also have option to invite a 'Guest' to your Corp / Board meeting as well. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.15 02:11:00 -
[3134] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn
Instead of trying to create the whole "open multiplayer atrium" that will have 1000 toons wondering around in Jita, causign havoc to the server and clients how about scaling it down.... An Idea- Make the "door" open to a "lift" - The "lift" goes to a private corp "meeting", "map", "directors" rooms (only other corp members can enter) - Only available if your corp has an "office" in station - Limit room capacity. Irl there would be a physical limit to the number of bodies in any given room - Possibility of allowing access to CEO/Directors of alliances member corps. Impact - Lower server overheads because there will be separate rooms with smaller numbers of people - Lower client needs because the room will be smaller and the number of people will be lower than an atrium - Limited number of 'rooms' because of corp office costs etc. - It provides something actually useful that is a small extension from CQ. Something like this will allow the 5-man team working on WIS to have a smaller, more achievable goal that that massive atrium with 1000 players in whilst providing an excellent function in game.
so we got a 5 dudes to meet up and do what? i hope nothing too unseemly. a map for planning what? yeah i know our alliance leadership really sorely needed that "feature" to "plan" for the invasion of Branch. here we have a circle-jerking wis-loving support group drowning and grasping on any sort of a floating drift wood of useless ideas, i like your idea, no i like you for liking my idea, oh i like that, me too
while ignoring the glaring problems that wis simply lacks substance, hell why don't you just admit and come out and say it all i want is to 07m8/dance with 1000 dudes but i can start with 5 please it is really important to me.
here's an idea, for those with super high standings, they get the honor and privilege of being granted an audience with the major faction leaders, a meeting in personal avatar form. hell you are god damn right you deserve it if you did the grind after all you've done for the faction. eg. for amarrian loyalists they get to see the empress flanked by her royal templars or whatever, and you have to /kneel before you can speak to the empress, and she is really really really really hawt and there will be a few dialogue things like "gj on the grind here's your symbolic reward" and the RPers will be all YAY! DIS IS AWSUM! OH DID YOU SEE THAT TEMPLAR?! IT'S EXACTLY LIKE IN THE BOOK! One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.15 02:30:00 -
[3135] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Wacktopia wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn
Instead of trying to create the whole "open multiplayer atrium" that will have 1000 toons wondering around in Jita, causign havoc to the server and clients how about scaling it down.... An Idea- Make the "door" open to a "lift" - The "lift" goes to a private corp "meeting", "map", "directors" rooms (only other corp members can enter) - Only available if your corp has an "office" in station - Limit room capacity. Irl there would be a physical limit to the number of bodies in any given room - Possibility of allowing access to CEO/Directors of alliances member corps. Impact - Lower server overheads because there will be separate rooms with smaller numbers of people - Lower client needs because the room will be smaller and the number of people will be lower than an atrium - Limited number of 'rooms' because of corp office costs etc. - It provides something actually useful that is a small extension from CQ. Something like this will allow the 5-man team working on WIS to have a smaller, more achievable goal that that massive atrium with 1000 players in whilst providing an excellent function in game. so we got a 5 dudes to meet up and do what? i hope nothing too unseemly. a map for planning what? yeah i know our alliance leadership really sorely needed that "feature" to "plan" for the invasion of Branch. here we have a circle-jerking wis-loving support group drowning and grasping on any sort of a floating drift wood of useless ideas, i like your idea, no i like you for liking my idea, oh i like that, me too while ignoring the glaring problems that wis simply lacks substance, hell why don't you just admit and come out and say it all i want is to 07m8/dance with 1000 dudes but i can start with 5 please it is really important to me. here's an idea, for those with super high standings, they get the honor and privilege of being granted an audience with the major faction leaders, a meeting in personal avatar form. hell you are god damn right you deserve it if you did the grind after all you've done for the faction. eg. for amarrian loyalists they get to see the empress flanked by her royal templars or whatever, and you have to /kneel before you can speak to the empress, and she is really really really really hawt and there will be a few dialogue things like "gj on the grind here's your symbolic reward" and the RPers will be all YAY! DIS IS AWSUM! OH DID YOU SEE THAT TEMPLAR?! IT'S EXACTLY LIKE IN THE BOOK!
It must be tough when your clone's noggin is all full of space worms...
So let me bounce a theory off of you.
CCP can do more stuff to make Eve better if they have more money. Money mostly comes from folks that subscribe to play the game. Let's call those folks "subscribers". So given that set of facts, here is my theory!
If Eve has more subscribers... now follow me here.... CCP will have money.... OK, here comes the tricky bit... and CCP will use the money to keep making Eve better!! Wow! I mean, pretty radical of me to suggest!!!
Now here is where it gets tricky, many games have more of these subscriber things, and one reason is that folks like to related to their characters, and at the moment, very few spaceships can subscribe and play Eve. As there aren't that many spaceships we know of and most of them are not self aware. Also, most don't have a form of payment accepted by CCP.
On the other hand, there are lots of PEOPLE that would like to play a game about PEOPLE in a scifi setting. These people have found Eve not to their liking because they want to see a representation of a PERSON in this scifi world. If we can get something in the game that makes them feel they can relate and connect, they might become subscribers!!
I'm just putting that out there for you to share with your brain worms.
Issler |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.15 02:51:00 -
[3136] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Wacktopia wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn
Instead of trying to create the whole "open multiplayer atrium" that will have 1000 toons wondering around in Jita, causign havoc to the server and clients how about scaling it down.... An Idea- Make the "door" open to a "lift" - The "lift" goes to a private corp "meeting", "map", "directors" rooms (only other corp members can enter) - Only available if your corp has an "office" in station - Limit room capacity. Irl there would be a physical limit to the number of bodies in any given room - Possibility of allowing access to CEO/Directors of alliances member corps. Impact - Lower server overheads because there will be separate rooms with smaller numbers of people - Lower client needs because the room will be smaller and the number of people will be lower than an atrium - Limited number of 'rooms' because of corp office costs etc. - It provides something actually useful that is a small extension from CQ. Something like this will allow the 5-man team working on WIS to have a smaller, more achievable goal that that massive atrium with 1000 players in whilst providing an excellent function in game. so we got a 5 dudes to meet up and do what? i hope nothing too unseemly. a map for planning what? yeah i know our alliance leadership really sorely needed that "feature" to "plan" for the invasion of Branch. here we have a circle-jerking wis-loving support group drowning and grasping on any sort of a floating drift wood of useless ideas, i like your idea, no i like you for liking my idea, oh i like that, me too while ignoring the glaring problems that wis simply lacks substance, hell why don't you just admit and come out and say it all i want is to 07m8/dance with 1000 dudes but i can start with 5 please it is really important to me. here's an idea, for those with super high standings, they get the honor and privilege of being granted an audience with the major faction leaders, a meeting in personal avatar form. hell you are god damn right you deserve it if you did the grind after all you've done for the faction. eg. for amarrian loyalists they get to see the empress flanked by her royal templars or whatever, and you have to /kneel before you can speak to the empress, and she is really really really really hawt and there will be a few dialogue things like "gj on the grind here's your symbolic reward" and the RPers will be all YAY! DIS IS AWSUM! OH DID YOU SEE THAT TEMPLAR?! IT'S EXACTLY LIKE IN THE BOOK! It must be tough when your clone's noggin is all full of space worms... So let me bounce a theory off of you. CCP can do more stuff to make Eve better if they have more money. Money mostly comes from folks that subscribe to play the game. Let's call those folks "subscribers". So given that set of facts, here is my theory! If Eve has more subscribers... now follow me here.... CCP will have money.... OK, here comes the tricky bit... and CCP will use the money to keep making Eve better!! Wow! I mean, pretty radical of me to suggest!!! what wis will attract new players? new players come and see that wis is only 5 dudes in a room, with no gameplay? really?
that theory, is that all that you got? a bit lacking eh? now i read your bit on mining, i feel that it is a shill for your ambulation agenda.
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/14/rvrnicsm7-the-carebear-nation-rats-incursions-and-miners/ read the bits on PVE, this is how a serious candidate theorizes, not your little wis-lover support group this is a safe place we can speak our minds here. the point is not try to be a game dev, but to demonstrate that a candidate has a level of logic, intelligence, coherence, and Riverini passes, IMHO. Riverini is also a known goon hater, and it will be a good thing that he gets a seat on the CSM for "checks and balances" and all.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:05:00 -
[3137] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: So let me bounce a theory off of you.
CCP can do more stuff to make Eve better if they have more money. Money mostly comes from folks that subscribe to play the game. Let's call those folks "subscribers". So given that set of facts, here is my theory!
If Eve has more subscribers... now follow me here.... CCP will have money.... OK, here comes the tricky bit... and CCP will use the money to keep making Eve better!! Wow! I mean, pretty radical of me to suggest!!!
Issler
Not to mention that if Dust514 is a wild success then I think it is reasonable to expect that some of the money gets put back into the game that gave birth to it I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:06:00 -
[3138] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
On the other hand, there are lots of PEOPLE that would like to play a game about PEOPLE in a scifi setting. These people have found Eve not to their liking because they want to see a representation of a PERSON in this scifi world. If we can get something in the game that makes them feel they can relate and connect, they might become subscribers!!
I'm just putting that out there for you to share with your brain worms.
Issler
look at you editing that in, if PEOPLE/AVATAR is your angle on getting new subbers, then jesus christ you are a bigger scammer than The Mittani. it is like you are trying to scam the general public into eve "hey we have avatars too". it is like you herd busloads of new players into eve, drop them off at a shopping mall "welcome to eve, and here's the wis parts" but these new players only find a decrepit shopping mall with whole sections taped off "coming soon" and "under construction" oh but the nex gift shop is that way so buy some crap. and the new players asks is that it? yup that's it. what about the other stuff, oh you do that in space.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:12:00 -
[3139] - Quote
Wow, you're still here trying to gather support for the 'WiS is Killing Eve' group?
Besides the fact that it's here to stay, no matter what type of 'Doom and Gloom' scenario you preach, nobody is listening. Maybe if you posted some constructive ideas to help influence it's growth into something you'd be interested in, you might not be such a 'sourpuss' about it.
Other than that, please stop trying to derail this thread. |
Mas Yelwok
Clan of the blue spotted goat
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 05:17:00 -
[3140] - Quote
Hi, I've been reading this thread since it started on and off. Now, I haven't read every post but I do think that there are some good ideas being thrown around. I have a couple of ideas for WIS as well, dont know if they have already been thought of but...here goes: What about instances on station? What I mean by this is you dock your ship and there might already be say 150 people on station each instance could be limited to 100 people for arguments sake. So the 50 other people in station are on a second instance with exactly the same environment. If you want to meet up with a corp mate just type in /instance XX and you meet up in the same instance. If no one is one station then no instances are generated. This might get over the lag issue that seems to be talked about with stations like JITA. Secondly, instead of having things like the loyalty shop, market, science, research and manufacturing on your UI place them in the station as shops. So anyone that has CQ enabled would not have these on their UI but someone with just the ship hanger would have them enabled on their UI. Just a couple of thoughts..........Cheers |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.15 05:26:00 -
[3141] - Quote
Personally I hope CCP does not go down the instance route. I think they are terrible and immersion breaking.
They should set a (high) limit on the number of avatars that can be in any single environment at the same time. And then design WiS is a way that encourages players to spread out so that this limit is rarely reached. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.15 07:39:00 -
[3142] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, you're still here trying to gather support for the 'WiS is Killing Eve' group? Besides the fact that it's here to stay, no matter what type of 'Doom and Gloom' scenario you preach, nobody is listening. Maybe if you posted some constructive ideas to help influence it's growth into something you'd be interested in, you might not be such a 'sourpuss' about it. Other than that, please stop trying to derail this thread.
lol you were the ones crying, without wis eve is doomed, because yeah fis is at the ends of its potential? i just posted another idea earlier today. oh and keep dodging the issue. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:16:00 -
[3143] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:
lol you were the ones crying, without wis eve is doomed, because yeah fis is at the ends of its potential? i just posted another idea earlier today. oh and keep dodging the issue.
I don't remember crying but yes, there's lot's of potential game play content that can be gained from WiS. As for FiS, I haven't seen any new game play content but I definitely see a lot of 'Fixes', 'Enhancements' and 'Balancing' being done which is excellent. Oh wait, there was some new ships just recently added to the game which could be considered as new game play content.
Sorry I missed your idea, was it something like a 'Bomb in Jacket' allowing you the option to suicide gank multiple Avatars in a single location all at the same time?
Just exactly what 'Issue' am I dodging? |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:22:00 -
[3144] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:[quote=Taiwanistan]
Just exactly what 'Issue' am I dodging?
I think he is rattling on about the fact that there is no gameplay in incarna, as if we didn't already know.
I'd also be interested in hearing what NEW things he would like to see added to the game other that the typical "duhr... fix faction warfare". |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:41:00 -
[3145] - Quote
duhr typical i want barbies and dudes to emote with One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:57:00 -
[3146] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:while ignoring the glaring problems that wis simply lacks substance, hell why don't you just admit and come out and say it all i want is to 07m8/dance with 1000 dudes but i can start with 5 please it is really important to me. here's an idea, for those with super high standings, they get the honor and privilege of being granted an audience with the major faction leaders, a meeting in personal avatar form. hell you are god damn right you deserve it if you did the grind after all you've done for the faction. eg. for amarrian loyalists they get to see the empress flanked by her royal templars or whatever, and you have to /kneel before you can speak to the empress, and she is really really really really hawt and there will be a few dialogue things like "gj on the grind here's your symbolic reward" and the RPers will be all YAY! DIS IS AWSUM! OH DID YOU SEE THAT TEMPLAR?! IT'S EXACTLY LIKE IN THE BOOK!
My suggestion is based on the fact that I think that 1000 people all together is a dumb idea and has no point. I say that pretty-much explicitly so suggesting my idea is based around some hidden agenda to make all of Jita dance for the lols is just short sighted and dumb.
Taiwanistan wrote:so we got a 5 dudes to meet up and do what? i hope nothing too unseemly. a map for planning what? yeah i know our alliance leadership really sorely needed that "feature" to "plan" for the invasion of Branch.
What you're actually saying here is that really all anyone should care about is the game play and not how it looks really. If one can have a planning session without something pretty to look at then why the hell do we need something pretty to look at in space too?....
How about this... just remove all the shiny stuff from EVE? All we really need is a black screen with and some white, purple and red boxes to shoot at. We don't need the ship, station, gate, planet models. All the pretty stars and ships are just EYE candy for those people who want to RP like they are actually flying a ship in space "HAY DOODZ MAH NEBULA AND DRAKE LOOK SOOO REAL AMG!!".
You make a terrible argument. If you don't like WIS just come out and say it - you don't need to fabricate ill-thought-out arguments to do that. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:10:00 -
[3147] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:duhr typical i want barbies and dudes to emote with
LMAO dodging the issue again... You have been in this thread for ages posting the same crap over and over again. I've see maybe one post at the most where you attempt to make a valid comment but most of the time you just make yourself look like a pathetic idiot.
Stop posting and go and play the spaceship simulator you are so happy with. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:52:00 -
[3148] - Quote
Quote:Stop posting and go and play the spaceship simulator you are so happy with. He can't . Because he is in tremendous fear that a handful of people and their alts (that's what they tell us how they think how many WiS supporters we really are) can change his precious spaceship game into "a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted."
For some reason this seems to terrify him and his friends so much that he feels the need to be the white knight who has to defend EVE against the evil WiS supporters who either desperately want CCP to destroy EVE or are too dumb to realise that they will destroy it with their unfathomable ideas. He really seems to think that he is somewhat superior to us, because he knows it all.
But my question that I asked him long ago and was just ignored by him still stands:
What bothers you so much about "dress up avatars" and "social gameplay" that you want to prevent it happening so much?
Most of us agree that WiS needs more substance than that, but our little Trollwanisten seems to be very offended by the mere idea of social meetings where people could use emotes that he not even acknowledges that we agree with him on some fundamental points. Even when presenting him a lot of useful ideas, he just ignores them or tells us how they only support his dreades vision of "a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup" (which isn't even true in some cases). That shows how narrow minded he is.
Or he could be a common troll who has just fun in teasing some people who he thinks are easily upset. Someone who laughs about his own bad jokes and his friends pat him proud on his shoulders because how awesome his trolling skills are. But I think that is more Ladie Harlots thing . |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
420
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:58:00 -
[3149] - Quote
For those of you not interested in WiS, don't worry. While I haven't been following this thread I did just read the Dev posts here and from what I gather WiS in on the 5 year plan which, in the gaming industry for a game already in play, is pretty much in the "not gonna happen" category, Eve's longevity not withstanding. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:51:00 -
[3150] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Quote:Stop posting and go and play the spaceship simulator you are so happy with. He can't . Because he is in tremendous fear that a handful of people and their alts (that's what they tell us how they think how many WiS supporters we really are) can change his precious spaceship game into "a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted." For some reason this seems to terrify him and his friends so much that he feels the need to be the white knight who has to defend EVE against the evil WiS supporters who either desperately want CCP to destroy EVE or are too dumb to realise that they will destroy it with their unfathomable ideas. He really seems to think that he is somewhat superior to us, because he knows it all. But my question that I asked him long ago and was just ignored by him still stands: What bothers you so much about "dress up avatars" and "social gameplay" that you want to prevent it happening so much?Most of us agree that WiS needs more substance than that, but our little Trollwanisten seems to be very offended by the mere idea of social meetings where people could use emotes that he not even acknowledges that we agree with him on some fundamental points. Even when presenting him a lot of useful ideas, he just ignores them or tells us how they only support his dreades vision of "a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup" (which isn't even true in some cases). That shows how narrow minded he is. Or he could be a common troll who has just fun in teasing some people who he thinks are easily upset. Someone who laughs about his own bad jokes and his friends pat him proud on his shoulders because how awesome his trolling skills are. But I think that is more Ladie Harlots thing .
let the poor guy be,pls he has nowhere else to go on these forums.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:53:00 -
[3151] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:For those of you not interested in WiS, don't worry. While I haven't been following this thread I did just read the Dev posts here and from what I gather WiS in on the 5 year plan which, in the gaming industry for a game already in play, is pretty much in the "not gonna happen" category, Eve's longevity not withstanding.
at least ,you are hoping for breast augmentations and sluttier clothing I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:10:00 -
[3152] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:duhr typical i want barbies and dudes to emote with LMAO dodging the issue again... You have been in this thread for ages posting the same crap over and over again. I've see maybe one post at the most where you attempt to make a valid comment but most of the time you just make yourself look like a pathetic idiot. Stop posting and go and play the spaceship simulator you are so happy with.
No, no, no, we don't want him to stop with his fail posting, free bumps, he's keeping it in people's faces nevermind the fool he is making himself look to be...... Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:19:00 -
[3153] - Quote
I dont like running, please no running.
I do want one of these to drive around
http://img4.mmo.mmo4arab.com/news/2011/08/26/dust514/dust514_vehicle2s.jpg
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:57:00 -
[3154] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:duhr typical i want barbies and dudes to emote with
So is this close to your inner voice?
FiS
Or is this closer?
Space Madness
Issler |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:07:00 -
[3155] - Quote
Pinky
I swear Glados would have won in the end if she sicked this on you at first.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:24:00 -
[3156] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:For those of you not interested in WiS, don't worry. While I haven't been following this thread I did just read the Dev posts here and from what I gather WiS in on the 5 year plan which, in the gaming industry for a game already in play, is pretty much in the "not gonna happen" category, Eve's longevity not withstanding.
Strange, that wasn't the impression I got from reading the Dev replies posted in this and other Pro-WiS threads.
My impression is very little to no content pertaining to WiS will be added this year. However, I expect one of the expansions in 2013 will be mainly WiS content. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.16 03:01:00 -
[3157] - Quote
my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again? and it's laughable that you decry that crucible, and its new ships and fixes as "not new content", while you feel that IF given a room, for 5 dudes to /emote with, is literally the second goddamn coming of christ and the best thing to ever happen to eve? GTFO
Wacktopia sure i care how the game looks, i want new textures for them minmatar ships. i am also supportive of an alternate "thin client" where it's straight up white boxes and red crosses for those that need it for certain situations. you are in noire, go ask how your leaders plan contracts, i bet they just load up teamspeak and deliberate over dotlan. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.16 03:18:00 -
[3158] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again? and it's laughable that you decry that crucible, and its new ships and fixes as "not new content", while you feel that IF given a room, for 5 dudes to /emote with, is literally the second goddamn coming of christ and the best thing to ever happen to eve? GTFO
Wacktopia sure i care how the game looks, i want new textures for them minmatar ships. i am also supportive of an alternate "thin client" where it's straight up white boxes and red crosses for those that need it for certain situations. you are in noire, go ask how your leaders plan contracts, i bet they just load up teamspeak and deliberate over dotlan.
well if you think you need to repeat the same thing again, go ahead. if it makes it feel you better ,why not . i am glad we can help you to make you feel happier I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:14:00 -
[3159] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again? and it's laughable that you decry that crucible, and its new ships and fixes as "not new content", while you feel that IF given a room, for 5 dudes to /emote with, is literally the second goddamn coming of christ and the best thing to ever happen to eve? GTFO
Adding a few new ships with a bunch of fixes, balances and enhancements is not what I consider new content. 'New Content' is something like Exploration and Sleeper AI. Or Sancha Incursions. Or Factional Warfare. Or Epic Mission Arcs. Or Planetary Interaction.
I've already stated what my vision of WiS game play content would contain. Which is a lot more than just 5 char's in a room doing /emotes. I envision total immersion WiS like it's portrayed in the CCP Trailers. I know it'll take many years to achieve and if it starts with 5 players in 1 room doing /emotes, so be it. When I climb to the mountain top and proclaim WiS as the 'Holy Grail' is when we have total immersion WiS.
Now you GTFO. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:38:00 -
[3160] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again? and it's laughable that you decry that crucible, and its new ships and fixes as "not new content", while you feel that IF given a room, for 5 dudes to /emote with, is literally the second goddamn coming of christ and the best thing to ever happen to eve? GTFO
Adding a few new ships with a bunch of fixes, balances and enhancements is not what I consider new content. 'New Content' is something like Exploration and Sleeper AI. Or Sancha Incursions. Or Factional Warfare. Or Epic Mission Arcs. Or Planetary Interaction. I've already stated what my vision of WiS game play content would contain. Which is a lot more than just 5 char's in a room doing /emotes. I envision total immersion WiS like it's portrayed in the CCP Trailers. I know it'll take many years to achieve and if it starts with 5 players in 1 room doing /emotes, so be it. When I climb to the mountain top and proclaim WiS as the 'Holy Grail' is when we have total immersion WiS. Now you GTFO. hallelujah reverend crimson, i'va seen the light, rapture to heavenly total immersion in 2013 or 2017 so is 5 dudes in a room emoting "new content" yes or no? and yes everything is as good as their trailers One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.02.16 07:00:00 -
[3161] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again?
You brought that argument a few times, yes. But you still havn't answered my question. You are dodging. Let me say it more clearly, maybe you understand it better:
Why do you think that WiS is useless and why do you think social gaming is frivolous?
If you can't answer that, you don't have an argument, then it is just your opinion which isn't more relevant than ours. So we are as entitled to tell you to "GTFO" than you are .
Taiwanistan wrote:so is 5 dudes in a room emoting "new content" yes or no? Yes, it is. Because it opens up a whole new way to play the game and sets the foundation for more player created content. I don't claim that new ships aren't new content in some way and I pretty much love the Crucible expansion and hope to get something similar this summer again. But if you really read our ideas and arguments you would know that we aren't talking about just "5 dudes". Once again, you ignore what many people are talking about here. Your absurd fear what WiS will look like isn't the same WiS many of us are asking for. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.16 08:30:00 -
[3162] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:[
I agree with something simple, other folks in your CQ for example, or as I suggested a corp meeting room. I worry that waiting to come up with "new compelling game play" = never.
Issler
Arcathra
1. Why do you think that WiS is useless and 2. why do you think social gaming is frivolous? right now there is no clear indication of what wis gameplay will be except that there is none right now. therefore it is useless. the only few hints we've had are bars, some mini games, some corp rooms, a promenade. why is the above useless? because all things in eve must be related to the "sandbox" or ecosystem or what you may call it which is the destruction and creation of things, gaining isk or inflicting loss, and getting killmails. by the way i've said this before i just can't find it.
2. social gaming is frivolous because: take a look the cesspool that is second life. and the (insert derogative) people that play them.
But most importantly what appalls me is the carpet-baggery of dowager issler who is a me-too advocate for mining changes when her only agenda is wis. now i don't care about the fact that she claims to run a "mining corp" mining in her case is merely a shill issue, politicizing.
Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler Really? Priority? As in priority of wis over fis? lol GTFO
Issler Dainze wrote:[
I agree with something simple, other folks in your CQ for example, or as I suggested a corp meeting room. I worry that waiting to come up with "new compelling game play" = never.
Issler See this is not acceptable, first setting the priority on WIS, then push out some useless corp room for meeting. Hell no. wis will be released when it is ready, it will take as long as it god damn takes. Any sort of halfass junk like the first time will not fly. My advice to team avatar is not to try that again, it ain't funny.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:21:00 -
[3163] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Wacktopia sure i care how the game looks, i want new textures for them minmatar ships. i am also supportive of an alternate "thin client" where it's straight up white boxes and red crosses for those that need it for certain situations. you are in noire, go ask how your leaders plan contracts, i bet they just load up teamspeak and deliberate over dotlan.
My corp has nothing to do with this and my opinions are my own here. I am not championing this idea on Noir.'s behalf or anything like that.
Hopefully you can appreciate where I'm coming from in that sometimes things that look nice add to the game even if they do not have a direct game-play advantage.
I'm not supposed to talk about this but If you must know we use this to plan everything. Everything. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:53:00 -
[3164] - Quote
I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE.
I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store?
Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2012.02.16 10:14:00 -
[3165] - Quote
Hikaru Kuroda wrote:I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE.
I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store?
Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog.
Didn't they junk WoD entirely? Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.16 10:57:00 -
[3166] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote:Hikaru Kuroda wrote:I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE.
I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store?
Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog. Didn't they junk WoD entirely?
Yea... Development studio will junk years of work... AND junk all that money they invested when they bought White Wolf... Turn your brains ON ppl...
CCP devs must earn their paychecks, now and in the future. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:09:00 -
[3167] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again? and it's laughable that you decry that crucible, and its new ships and fixes as "not new content", while you feel that IF given a room, for 5 dudes to /emote with, is literally the second goddamn coming of christ and the best thing to ever happen to eve? GTFO
Wacktopia sure i care how the game looks, i want new textures for them minmatar ships. i am also supportive of an alternate "thin client" where it's straight up white boxes and red crosses for those that need it for certain situations. you are in noire, go ask how your leaders plan contracts, i bet they just load up teamspeak and deliberate over dotlan.
Why do you want us to repeat ourselves then? No one is saying they want emotes and dancing in incarna. Most of us want real meaningful gameplay in WiS that will compliment FiS.
You have what you want. CCP are focusing on FiS content (so they say) and WiS has been shelved (even though they claim otherwise) and we will probably not see any good content added to WiS for a long time, so rest easy with that knowledge. However that doesn't stop people from wanting more from the game other that more ships and fixes. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:33:00 -
[3168] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:
1. Why do you think that WiS is useless and 2. why do you think social gaming is frivolous? right now there is no clear indication of what wis gameplay will be except that there is none right now. therefore it is useless. the only few hints we've had are bars, some mini games, some corp rooms, a promenade. why is the above useless? because all things in eve must be related to the "sandbox" or ecosystem or what you may call it which is the destruction and creation of things, gaining isk or inflicting loss, and getting killmails. by the way i've said this before i just can't find it.
2. social gaming is frivolous because: take a look the cesspool that is second life. and the (insert derogative) people that play them.
But most importantly what appalls me is the carpet-baggery of dowager issler who is a me-too advocate for mining changes when her only agenda is wis. now i don't care about the fact that she claims to run a "mining corp" mining in her case is merely a shill issue, politicizing.
You contradict yourself quite a lot there.
Your argument against further development on WiS is that there is no existing gameplay, so CCP shouldn't waste time on developing interesting game play... That's just silly.
You site things that CCP have talked about like the mini games, gambling and public areas and say that this is not part of the sandbox experience when it actually would be. You could gamble for isk or ships, you could be really good at the mini games and through that, meet new friends that you could experience other parts of eve with or you could follow a war target who is docked instead of just watching the station guest window. To me all that would enrich the experience and in some cases, i can see how it would help newer player get more involved in the game.
EVE is already a "social game" because it can be played with other people, so i'm not sure what you are on about there...
A sand box game is a game where you have choice and freedom. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:57:00 -
[3169] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:
1. Why do you think that WiS is useless and 2. why do you think social gaming is frivolous? right now there is no clear indication of what wis gameplay will be except that there is none right now. therefore it is useless. the only few hints we've had are bars, some mini games, some corp rooms, a promenade. why is the above useless? because all things in eve must be related to the "sandbox" or ecosystem or what you may call it which is the destruction and creation of things, gaining isk or inflicting loss, and getting killmails. by the way i've said this before i just can't find it.
2. social gaming is frivolous because: take a look the cesspool that is second life. and the (insert derogative) people that play them.
But most importantly what appalls me is the carpet-baggery of dowager issler who is a me-too advocate for mining changes when her only agenda is wis. now i don't care about the fact that she claims to run a "mining corp" mining in her case is merely a shill issue, politicizing.
You contradict yourself quite a lot there. Your argument against further development on WiS is that there is no existing gameplay, so CCP shouldn't waste time on developing interesting game play... That's just silly. You site things that CCP have talked about like the mini games, gambling and public areas and say that this is not part of the sandbox experience when it actually would be. You could gamble for isk or ships, you could be really good at the mini games and through that, meet new friends that you could experience other parts of eve with or you could follow a war target who is docked instead of just watching the station guest window. To me all that would enrich the experience and in some cases, i can see how it would help newer player get more involved in the game. EVE is already a "social game" because it can be played with other people, so i'm not sure what you are on about there... A sand box game is a game where you have choice and freedom.
The problem is that some "elite pvp-ers" play MMORPG and they dont realize that and want that CCP fix how other players play or want to play the game.
Wake up ppl... this is MMORPG every one of EVE players understand and play EVE differently and what different things from EVE.
The main reason why ppl play MMORPG is because its SOCIAL COMPONENT. So if you want spaceship simulator - this is not game for you. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:01:00 -
[3170] - Quote
World of Darkness is not cancelled according to recent interviews just still early stage severly scaled back while alot of thier resources are dirverted in eve.
Firing 20% of your own staff is quite easy if you rehire them in other positions. Such as the awsomeUI developer WoD and refired to help on eve UI instead, the one better known as punkturis.
overall I think ccp only lost about 5% people they cut out with no new positions elsewhere or couldnt come to aggreement to a new position.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:59:00 -
[3171] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote:Hikaru Kuroda wrote:I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE.
I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store?
Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog. Didn't they junk WoD entirely?
No ,CCP only did tell what everybody on these Forums wanted to hear,they simply lied to save their company i don,t blame them. Maybe they had to fire some people (maybe the brains who came up with the NEX idea) And not to mention ,Crubicle was made in 6 weeks according to CCP,still don,t believe them. but i couldn,t blame them for that. The EVE community is a bit scared ,when there is a little change Same with WIS ,what happens when there is some gameplay into that ,will it affect EVE ?( i hope it does) I think the ones who are trolling this thread are simply afraid of change.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:30:00 -
[3172] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote:Hikaru Kuroda wrote:I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE.
I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store?
Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog. Didn't they junk WoD entirely?
No way!
EVE realy needs WoD tech and WiS! |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1532
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:35:00 -
[3173] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:
Firing 20% of your own staff is quite easy if you rehire them in other positions. Such as the awsomeUI developer WoD and refired to help on eve UI instead, the one better known as punkturis.
I don't know where you got this but I've never worked on WoD.. for those 2,5 years I've worked for CCP i've only been working on EVE UI.
I <3 EVE
CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:03:00 -
[3174] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:Wacktopia wrote:Hikaru Kuroda wrote:I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE.
I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store?
Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog. Didn't they junk WoD entirely? No way! EVE realy needs WoD tech and WiS!
There is no WoD tech, it was built using Carbon which was built for EVE first so other games could be *derived* from it.
Edit: Glad to see CCP Punky stick her head in here and dispel yet another myth. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:05:00 -
[3175] - Quote
hmm my mind getting muddy these days :{ that would explain why i was trying to push linux commands on dos.
Hmm Ill go look around to see which developer it acutall was though that I do remember.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:17:00 -
[3176] - Quote
You seem to be spending a lot of time taunting me and decrying my CSM efforts.
My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. A big piece of my job for a large software company here in the PACNW was in the PC gaming world. If you are at all clever with "the google" you can likely figure out a little more about that. So as a result I have exposure to a large number of gamers. Many that have played Eve, few that remain. One of the reasons all that left Eve cited was that they wanted to have an avatar experience. That other games gave them an experience they felt they could more related to.
I also have encountered a very large number of players in Eve and most of the folks I've interacted with expressed a desire to see ambulation in Eve. I think this thread makes a strong case for that as well.
So am pretty confident that my DIRECT experiences and observations make my theory about how important ambulation is to expanding the Eve player base more relevant the the what goes on in your noggin.
Issler |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:22:00 -
[3177] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts.
Citation needed. Please show us these "facts" you claim to be in possession of. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:32:00 -
[3178] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:Wacktopia wrote:Hikaru Kuroda wrote:I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE.
I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store?
Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog. Didn't they junk WoD entirely? No way! EVE realy needs WoD tech and WiS! There is no WoD tech, it was built using Carbon which was built for EVE first so other games could be *derived* from it.
I thought EVE Online was built on Trinity engine for spaceships gameplay, and when they planned to create WoD, they decided to use the same engine (Carbon) for the two games.
Note that they started to work officially with Incarna at the end of 2010, while for WoD they started from 2009 onwards. I think that EVE has received something of the nearly two years of development effort in WoD, and not the other way. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:38:00 -
[3179] - Quote
WoD engine I think is inhouse using various other engines available. Similar to how frost bite from EA is using enligthen engine that is used in our captains quaters.
Carbon was a technology thoery I thought by making all things alike you can make every game that you build off of it barrow each other's advances.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:39:00 -
[3180] - Quote
Hikaru Kuroda wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:Wacktopia wrote:Hikaru Kuroda wrote:I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE.
I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store?
Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog. Didn't they junk WoD entirely? No way! EVE realy needs WoD tech and WiS! There is no WoD tech, it was built using Carbon which was built for EVE first so other games could be *derived* from it. I thought EVE Online was built on Trinity engine for spaceships gameplay, and when they planned to create WoD, they decided to use the same engine (Carbon) for the two games. Note that they started to work officially with Incarna at the end of 2010, while for WoD they started from 2009 onwards. I think that EVE has received something of the nearly two years of development effort in WoD, and not the other way.
Nope:
http://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/technology
and:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=788 The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:09:00 -
[3181] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Citation needed. Please show us these "facts" you claim to be in possession of.
My first hand real life experience and the support in this thread. No citation needed.
How about for once one of you fail puppy ambulation detractors show your evidence that folks haven't chosen to leave Eve because they couldn't have an avatar experience. Or better yet explain why so many other MMO games have higher subscription levels? Is it because folks don't like space? Not easy to prove given the popularity of franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars.
So how about you prove your point for a change because all you ever offer is "is not!!!" while stomping your feet.
Issler |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:16:00 -
[3182] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Citation needed. Please show us these "facts" you claim to be in possession of. My first hand real life experience and the support in this thread. No citation needed. How about for once one of you fail puppy ambulation detractors show your evidence that folks haven't chosen to leave Eve because they couldn't have an avatar experience. Or better yet explain why so many other MMO games have higher subscription levels? Is it because folks don't like space? Not easy to prove given the popularity of franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars. So how about you prove your point for a change because all you ever offer is "is not!!!" while stomping your feet. Issler
I did not assert anything, you did. I simply asked for your evidence. I don't have anything to prove because I did not make a baseless assertion under the guise of "facts" like you just did.
Your "first hand real life experience" is not facts. You said you had "actual facts". I'd like to see these otherwise you are just making stuff up and trying to evade that you don't have any facts you can back up with evidence.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:25:00 -
[3183] - Quote
I wouldnt say a myth just bad memory though those do have a bad habit of turning into myths. I know alot just things have a bad habbit of bleeding into each other. I am the most horrible person with names espeically if I don't see them every day.
CCP did state they where trying to find new positions within its own and partner companies they know for most of thier removed reduced and reorganized staff that is quite confirmable in the original apology letters the annoucment. Inter-company resourcing is generally a good option for restructuring why hire an entirely new guy when you can get a guy that knows the policies and how things work.
I read one ccp developer who name I clearly been shown unable to remember who was from the WoD team and was asked to help out in eve while WoD was backburnered and if i remember right either the dev or the avatar was female, punkturis was the first one I can remember, and I dont think it was ccp alice as she's webteam.
Either way browsing though the time frame when I possibly might have read the comments (though I am beginning to think it was a dev on one of the videos now) and finding out how busy ccp actually was everywhere back then with hundreds of posts all over the place addressing player concerns jotting down feed back and all sorts of back and forth and a few trollings.
I can WoD has about 50 folks working on it which I could call a healthy number of developers for early game meant to be mmo eventually. this would be sourced from recent interviews with the new director of advertisment.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:37:00 -
[3184] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Citation needed. Please show us these "facts" you claim to be in possession of. My first hand real life experience and the support in this thread. No citation needed. How about for once one of you fail puppy ambulation detractors show your evidence that folks haven't chosen to leave Eve because they couldn't have an avatar experience. Or better yet explain why so many other MMO games have higher subscription levels? Is it because folks don't like space? Not easy to prove given the popularity of franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars. So how about you prove your point for a change because all you ever offer is "is not!!!" while stomping your feet. Issler I did not assert anything, you did. I simply asked for your evidence. I don't have anything to prove because I did not make a baseless assertion under the guise of "facts" like you just did. Your "first hand real life experience" is not facts. You said you had "actual facts". I'd like to see these otherwise you are just making stuff up and trying to evade that you don't have any facts you can back up with evidence.
My real life experiences most definitely are "facts". You can choose to claim I'm lying but I'd ask you for your proof that I am.
All of my team played Eve as part of our ongoing testing of current games against our unreleased technologies. The majority of our team could be described as serious gamers. They all play MMOs actively. I was the only one on the team that continued to play Eve. Everyone else moved onto other games. The same for RL friends and family. This is a sample size of over 50 people.
In every case the lack of an avatar experience was one of the complaints about Eve.
So how about you offer an argument with more substance than "is not!!!!" because all you are doing is looking like yet another ambulation hater and bumping a thread that continues to bring attention to a feature you oppose.
Issler
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:52:00 -
[3185] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
My real life experiences most definitely are "facts". You can choose to claim I'm lying but I'd ask you for your proof that I am.
All of my team played Eve as part of our ongoing testing of current games against our unreleased technologies. The majority of our team could be described as serious gamers. They all play MMOs actively. I was the only one on the team that continued to play Eve. Everyone else moved onto other games. The same for RL friends and family. This is a sample size of over 50 people.
In every case the lack of an avatar experience was one of the complaints about Eve.
So how about you offer an argument with more substance than "is not!!!!" because all you are doing is looking like yet another ambulation hater and bumping a thread that continues to bring attention to a feature you oppose.
Issler
Where am I making an argument in my post exactly. I simply asked you for your facts & evidence that backs it up which you have still yet to provide. Where did I say in my post I oppose WIS? (Because I don't actually.) Where exactly did I say "is not!!".
You have now attempted to turn my simple request around into me trying to take some kind of a position to deflect from the issue at hand. I could care less about bumping your thread because if anything it only brings attention to how rabidly single-minded some of you are and that you specifically have an acute inability to back-up your assertions with facts and evidence other than "I said so, so it's true, prove me wrong."
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:02:00 -
[3186] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Citation needed. Please show us these "facts" you claim to be in possession of. My first hand real life experience and the support in this thread. No citation needed. ....Issler
Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.
In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post.
I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.
I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:39:00 -
[3187] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Firing 20% of your own staff is quite easy if you rehire them in other positions. Such as the awsomeUI developer WoD and refired to help on eve UI instead, the one better known as punkturis.
I don't know where you got this but I've never worked on WoD.. for those 2,5 years I've worked for CCP i've only been working on EVE UI. I <3 EVE
i hope you replied to this thread ,bc you follow it or just replied ,bc of some script popping up your name when its used somewhere in these forums but either way ,welcome to this humble thread ccp Punkturis
Despite that i know you can,t answer this thread,whats your opinion about WIS and maybe some thought from some colleagues of yours ,get them in here I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:44:00 -
[3188] - Quote
Cearain wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Citation needed. Please show us these "facts" you claim to be in possession of. My first hand real life experience and the support in this thread. No citation needed. ....Issler Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011. In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post. I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships. I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
Your logic is flawed.
People can only "like" a post once, but they can "view" a thread many, many, many times. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:00:00 -
[3189] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:my argument is that wis is useless, and your need for social gaming is frivolous, must i repeat that again? and it's laughable that you decry that crucible, and its new ships and fixes as "not new content", while you feel that IF given a room, for 5 dudes to /emote with, is literally the second goddamn coming of christ and the best thing to ever happen to eve? GTFO
Adding a few new ships with a bunch of fixes, balances and enhancements is not what I consider new content. 'New Content' is something like Exploration and Sleeper AI. Or Sancha Incursions. Or Factional Warfare. Or Epic Mission Arcs. Or Planetary Interaction. I've already stated what my vision of WiS game play content would contain. Which is a lot more than just 5 char's in a room doing /emotes. I envision total immersion WiS like it's portrayed in the CCP Trailers. I know it'll take many years to achieve and if it starts with 5 players in 1 room doing /emotes, so be it. When I climb to the mountain top and proclaim WiS as the 'Holy Grail' is when we have total immersion WiS. Now you GTFO. hallelujah reverend crimson, i'va seen the light, rapture to heavenly total immersion in 2013 or 2017 so is 5 dudes in a room emoting "new content" yes or no? and yes everything is as good as their trailers
I'm honored that you would reference me as 'Reverend Crimson'.
Yes, when WiS content is total immersion game play, I will climb up to the mountain top and proclaim it as divine heavenly rapture. Probably after 2013 and hopefully before 2017. Until that time I will continue to spread the word to the multitude of lost souls - I have seen the hand of the Allmighty write on the wall - WiS is here.
If it's the will of CCP to start WiS with 1 room allowing 5 players to /emote, so be it. And yes, I would consider that the start of 'NEW' game play content which can be expanded on quite a bit.
Cearain wrote: Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.
In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post.
I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.
I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
Those stats mean nothing, especially if you look at all the other posted replies in this thread. Total up the amount of 'Likes' for Pro-Wis replies and compair those to the amount of 'Likes' for the Anti-WiS replies, then post the results. Obviously you didn't bother to read thru this thread.
Attacking Issler and this thread because of CSM voting only shows how little you really know.
Silence, oh ye of little faith, lest ye incur the wrath of the Allmighty.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:02:00 -
[3190] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Your logic is flawed.
People can only "like" a post once, but they can "view" a thread many, many, many times.
How's this?
Out of 300,000 (or so) EVE subscribers accounts only 187 "liked" the OP. That would actually make it those "likes" statistically irrelevant.
Do you happen to have a way to put a better spin on the numbers he provided?
Regardless, 187 players or even a focus group of 50 people critiquing EVE in some non-scientific "test" is statistically irrelevant against the number of actual accounts. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:07:00 -
[3191] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Firing 20% of your own staff is quite easy if you rehire them in other positions. Such as the awsomeUI developer WoD and refired to help on eve UI instead, the one better known as punkturis.
I don't know where you got this but I've never worked on WoD.. for those 2,5 years I've worked for CCP i've only been working on EVE UI. I <3 EVE
Thanks for posting, obviously CCP is watching this thread.
Next time how about adding some text pertaining to the thread topic, please? |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:09:00 -
[3192] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:
Your logic is flawed.
People can only "like" a post once, but they can "view" a thread many, many, many times.
How's this? Out of 300,000 (or so) EVE subscribers only 187 "liked" the OP. That would actually make it those "likes" statistically irrelevant. Do you happen to have a way to put a better spin on the numbers he provided? Regardless, 187 players or even a focus group of 50 people critiquing EVE in some non-scientific "test" is statistically irrelevant against the number of actual subscribers.
If you need me to explain a simple sentence to you, I think you have much larger problems that need attended to. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:11:00 -
[3193] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:
Your logic is flawed.
People can only "like" a post once, but they can "view" a thread many, many, many times.
How's this? Out of 300,000 (or so) EVE subscribers only 187 "liked" the OP. That would actually make it those "likes" statistically irrelevant. Do you happen to have a way to put a better spin on the numbers he provided? Regardless, 187 players or even a focus group of 50 people critiquing EVE in some non-scientific "test" is statistically irrelevant against the number of actual subscribers. If you need me to explain a simple sentence to you, I think you have much larger problems that need attended to.
I didn't ask you to explain anything, you lack reading/sentence comprehension. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:18:00 -
[3194] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:
Your logic is flawed.
People can only "like" a post once, but they can "view" a thread many, many, many times.
How's this?Out of 300,000 (or so) EVE subscribers only 187 "liked" the OP. That would actually make it those "likes" statistically irrelevant. Do you happen to have a way to put a better spin on the numbers he provided? Regardless, 187 players or even a focus group of 50 people critiquing EVE in some non-scientific "test" is statistically irrelevant against the number of actual subscribers. If you need me to explain a simple sentence to you, I think you have much larger problems that need attended to. I didn't ask you to explain anything, you lack reading/sentence comprehension.
The bolded portion indicated a desire for an explanation to me. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:18:00 -
[3195] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:
Your logic is flawed.
People can only "like" a post once, but they can "view" a thread many, many, many times.
How's this? Out of 300,000 (or so) EVE subscribers only 187 "liked" the OP. That would actually make it those "likes" statistically irrelevant. Do you happen to have a way to put a better spin on the numbers he provided? Regardless, 187 players or even a focus group of 50 people critiquing EVE in some non-scientific "test" is statistically irrelevant against the number of actual subscribers. lol, man are you wrong, considering that at least 1/2 of those subscribed accounts are alts. Also a generous number is maybe about 1/6th of the subscribed player base actually bothers with the forums. So basically my original statement still stands, those stats mean nothing and are not relevant to this topic. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:24:00 -
[3196] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:
Your logic is flawed.
People can only "like" a post once, but they can "view" a thread many, many, many times.
How's this? Out of 300,000 (or so) EVE subscribers only 187 "liked" the OP. That would actually make it those "likes" statistically irrelevant. Do you happen to have a way to put a better spin on the numbers he provided? Regardless, 187 players or even a focus group of 50 people critiquing EVE in some non-scientific "test" is statistically irrelevant against the number of actual subscribers. lol, man are you wrong, considering that at least 1/2 of those subscribed accounts are alts. Also a generous number is maybe about 1/6th of the subscribed player base actually bothers with the forums. So basically my original statement still stands, those stats mean nothing and are not relevant to this topic.
I completely agree, those numbers mean nothing, that's what statistically irrelevant means. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:31:00 -
[3197] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
I completely agree, those numbers mean nothing, that's what statistically irrelevant means.
Ahhh, then you agree that this post is incorrect and those stats mean nothing:
Cearain wrote:
Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.
In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post.
I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.
I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1532
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:37:00 -
[3198] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Firing 20% of your own staff is quite easy if you rehire them in other positions. Such as the awsomeUI developer WoD and refired to help on eve UI instead, the one better known as punkturis.
I don't know where you got this but I've never worked on WoD.. for those 2,5 years I've worked for CCP i've only been working on EVE UI. I <3 EVE Thanks for posting, obviously CCP is watching this thread. Next time how about adding some text pertaining to the thread topic, please?
I've never worked on WiS so I don't know anything about it and can therefore not comment on it.. I just wanted to fix this misunderstanding of me being a former WoD dev... CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:39:00 -
[3199] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Hikaru Kuroda wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:Wacktopia wrote:
Didn't they junk WoD entirely?
No way! EVE realy needs WoD tech and WiS! There is no WoD tech, it was built using Carbon which was built for EVE first so other games could be *derived* from it. I thought EVE Online was built on Trinity engine for spaceships gameplay, and when they planned to create WoD, they decided to use the same engine (Carbon) for the two games. Note that they started to work officially with Incarna at the end of 2010, while for WoD they started from 2009 onwards. I think that EVE has received something of the nearly two years of development effort in WoD, and not the other way. Nope: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/technologyand: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=788
Trinity is used for space. Enlightenment Engine is used for WoD and WiS.
Avatar and indor graphic tech is developed for WoD using the Enlightenment Engine and then is applied for CQ too.
Carbon is just marketing name for all tech CCP have developed.
And how you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST... There is only CCP - the development studio. They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money. All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game. Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way. Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead.
You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then. You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time.
There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen. Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech? Why you want EVE dead?
And many ppl like WiS. Many ppl want WiS. Many ppl need WiS to play EVE. So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever?
But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.) But... Well... thats impossible. If you dont grow, you die. Law of the stronger.
(its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.)
p.s. I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS. I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk. Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again.
Edit: And about that OP is only for WiS here... LOL... You ppl that are against WiS are minority, not us. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:42:00 -
[3200] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
I completely agree, those numbers mean nothing, that's what statistically irrelevant means.
Ahhh, then you agree that this post is incorrect and those stats mean nothing: Cearain wrote:
Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.
In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post.
I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.
I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
Yes. While the actual numbers used may be correct, the conclusion is statistically irrelevant for reasons you already mentioned, plus the fact that a single player with multiple accounts can "like" a post multiple times making an important facet of the data completely unreliable.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:44:00 -
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While walking in stations would be exciting - how about you remove ghost ships from the overview first. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:48:00 -
[3202] - Quote
stupid forums The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:50:00 -
[3203] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:stupid forums
True CCP should create first better quality forums to allow the new WIS to have solid tangible communication base.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:51:00 -
[3204] - Quote
Cearain wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Citation needed. Please show us these "facts" you claim to be in possession of. My first hand real life experience and the support in this thread. No citation needed. ....Issler Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011. In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post. I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships. I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
So if I respond to you is that just to bump the thread?? I have gone days and ignored this thread. There were lots of folks posting regularly, I never needed to bump it. In fact this thread lives on even today without me doing much of anything.
As for likes, someone did the somewhat tedious job of adding the pro-ambulation posts and the anti-ambulation post likes and the pro ambulation posts were ahead by a huge margin. So most of the likes are in support of my thread if not post #1 directly.
Besides, using your logic I personally have over twice as many personal likes as you so I must be at least over twice as right!
I have never said ambulation needs to be priority number one, I have continually said I just want to make sure it continues to get some attention from CCP and we get to see some progress made on the promise of life in Eve outside our pods. And I stand firm in my belief the future of Eve depends on CCP delivering the promise of a complete scifi simulator experience and that ambulation has to be a large part of that.
Issler |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:55:00 -
[3205] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Firing 20% of your own staff is quite easy if you rehire them in other positions. Such as the awsomeUI developer WoD and refired to help on eve UI instead, the one better known as punkturis.
I don't know where you got this but I've never worked on WoD.. for those 2,5 years I've worked for CCP i've only been working on EVE UI. I <3 EVE Thanks for posting, obviously CCP is watching this thread. Next time how about adding some text pertaining to the thread topic, please? I've never worked on WiS so I don't know anything about it and can therefore not comment on it.. I just wanted to fix this misunderstanding of me being a former WoD dev... Ahhh, thanks for clarifacation.
As for having no opinion on WiS, you do log into the game every once in a while, correct? At least I hope so, seems strange that a Dev wouldn't test out the content thats been added to the game. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:58:00 -
[3206] - Quote
This thread passed 3000. post... |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:00:00 -
[3207] - Quote
Brought to you by the same dozen players who post here!
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:00:00 -
[3208] - Quote
\o/
There's been a lot more than just a dozen players posting in this thread. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:05:00 -
[3209] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Brought to you by the same dozen players who post here!
List, lets say, last 50 pages. And count how many my posts are there. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:09:00 -
[3210] - Quote
lot's of butthurt sperglords up in here |
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Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:13:00 -
[3211] - Quote
So how many people who post in this thread are going to vote for Issler? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:16:00 -
[3212] - Quote
Not me.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:21:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:So how many people who post in this thread are going to vote for Issler?
Why do you care?
How about Non-yah, as in 'none of your business'.
Berke Negri wrote:lot's of butthurt sperglords up in here
Please refrain from referencing yourself and your corpmates as 'lots of butthurt sperglords', no matter how true it might be.
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Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:21:00 -
[3214] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Doc Fury wrote: ...stufz... Trinity is used for space. Enlightenment Engine is used for WoD and WiS. Avatar and indor graphic tech is developed for WoD using the Enlightenment Engine and then is applied for CQ too. Carbon is just marketing name for all tech CCP have developed. And how you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST... There is only CCP - the development studio. They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money. All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game. Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way. Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead. You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then. You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time. There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen. Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech? Why you want EVE dead? And many ppl like WiS. Many ppl want WiS. Many ppl need WiS to play EVE. So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever? But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.) But... Well... thats impossible. If you dont grow, you die. Law of the stronger. (its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.) p.s. I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS. I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk. Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again. Edit: And about that OP is only for WiS here... LOL... You ppl that are against WiS are minority, not us.
Nicely said. +1 I don't know what else say on that at this moment. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:21:00 -
[3215] - Quote
uhm, wow!
/me does the megathread for ambulation dance
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:30:00 -
[3216] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:So how many people who post in this thread are going to vote for Issler?
So when I started this thread it definitely wasn't because of any CSM plans.
I haven't seen any other candidates put support of ambulation in their platform. I hope we do get some folks in the CSM 7 that will remind CCP how much many of us want ambulation to continue to get some attention in the future.
For now though I'll keep my ambulation support peanut butter in this thread out of my CSM 7 issues discussions chocolate over in Jita Park.
So folks interested in my CSM 7 aspirations would be welcome to discuss support for or lack of over in Jita Park.
Issler |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:34:00 -
[3217] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:So how many people who post in this thread are going to vote for Issler? Why do you care? How about Non-yah, as in 'none of your business'.
Way to take an innocent question generated through a desire to see WIS on the agenda for CSM7 and twist it into a mindless show of aggression. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:42:00 -
[3218] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Cearain wrote: Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.
In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post.
I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.
I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
Those stats mean nothing, especially if you look at all the other posted replies in this thread. Total up the amount of 'Likes' for Pro-Wis replies and compair those to the amount of 'Likes' for the Anti-WiS replies, then post the results. Obviously you didn't bother to read thru this thread. Attacking Issler and this thread because of CSM voting only shows how little you really know. Silence, oh ye of little faith, lest ye incur the wrath of the Allmighty.
These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it:
Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.
Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.
Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you.
You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:50:00 -
[3219] - Quote
Cearain wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Cearain wrote: Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.
In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post.
I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.
I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
Those stats mean nothing, especially if you look at all the other posted replies in this thread. Total up the amount of 'Likes' for Pro-Wis replies and compair those to the amount of 'Likes' for the Anti-WiS replies, then post the results. Obviously you didn't bother to read thru this thread. Attacking Issler and this thread because of CSM voting only shows how little you really know. Silence, oh ye of little faith, lest ye incur the wrath of the Allmighty. These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it: Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you. Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you. Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you. You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him.
LOL logic on act...
let see this, in thread where you are supposed to like other ppl: famous "The Like and Get Likes Thread" which is around 100 pages long, OP have only 118 likes. So there is only 118 ppl who posted in that thread??? LOL XD
You are funny little man.
Why all ppl must like OP? I didn't even read OP. (until now when i was checking have i liked OP, which i did not) I allways read last couple of pages and that's it.
And you know what? Even i did not liked OP post, i support this thread and WiS and OP. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:20:00 -
[3220] - Quote
Cearain wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Cearain wrote: Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.
In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post.
I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.
I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
Those stats mean nothing, especially if you look at all the other posted replies in this thread. Total up the amount of 'Likes' for Pro-Wis replies and compair those to the amount of 'Likes' for the Anti-WiS replies, then post the results. Obviously you didn't bother to read thru this thread. Attacking Issler and this thread because of CSM voting only shows how little you really know. Silence, oh ye of little faith, lest ye incur the wrath of the Allmighty. These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it: Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you. Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you. Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you. You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him.
I think it is you that is confused about what likes mean.
A couple of things:
1, The thread is still alive because of lots of different people, now including CCP devs keep posting, 2. The thread has 5200+ likes spread throughout all of the replies with the vast majority being in support of ambulation.
If you really believe it is the same handful of people then prove it or STFU. Feel free to go through the 3K+ posts and tabulate the posters names and also the likes for and and against.
In the mean time, keep looking like a tragic victim of space induced madness with your weak arguments and lack of statistical insight.
If I can prove more than 187 characters posted will you biomass yourself and drop your subscription? Wait, I know what's coming, whatever number I ended up with you'd say they were all my alts.......
Issler |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:33:00 -
[3221] - Quote
why can't we just all be friends? |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:36:00 -
[3222] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends?
/me hugs CCP karkur
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Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:42:00 -
[3223] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Berke Negri wrote:lot's of butthurt sperglords up in here Please refrain from referencing yourself and your corpmates as 'lots of butthurt sperglords', no matter how true it might be. oh sorry feel free to resume acting like a child and throwing a fit towards devs who aren't even involved in WiS development then |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:54:00 -
[3224] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends?
Well if you enable the option to invite other players to our CQs then we can be I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:55:00 -
[3225] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends? Well if you enable the option to invite other players to our CQs then we can be
Open the door to the secret friends clubhouse!!! Next new ambulation feature!!!
Issler
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:04:00 -
[3226] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends?
I strongly feel that a healthy debate is a nessecity of not only survival but a perchance for evolution. Something may spark a random mutation that turns into a rather successful species we'd like to call Ambulation.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:23:00 -
[3227] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Firing 20% of your own staff is quite easy if you rehire them in other positions. Such as the awsomeUI developer WoD and refired to help on eve UI instead, the one better known as punkturis.
I don't know where you got this but I've never worked on WoD.. for those 2,5 years I've worked for CCP i've only been working on EVE UI. I <3 EVE Thanks for posting, obviously CCP is watching this thread. Next time how about adding some text pertaining to the thread topic, please? I've never worked on WiS so I don't know anything about it and can therefore not comment on it.. I just wanted to fix this misunderstanding of me being a former WoD dev...
I apologize for that things are getting heptic around here.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:55:00 -
[3228] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Flamespar wrote:CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends? Well if you enable the option to invite other players to our CQs then we can be Open the door to the secret friends clubhouse!!! Next new ambulation feature!!! Issler
Joking aside. I really think CCP should implement this as a beta feature that players can opt in for. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
302
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:21:00 -
[3229] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Trinity is used for space. Enlightenment Engine is used for WoD and WiS. Avatar and indor graphic tech is developed for WoD using the Enlightenment Engine and then is applied for CQ too. Carbon is just marketing name for all tech CCP have developed. And how you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST... There is only CCP - the development studio. They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money. All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game. Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way. Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead. You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then. You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time. There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen. Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech? Why you want EVE dead? And many ppl like WiS. Many ppl want WiS. Many ppl need WiS to play EVE. So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever? But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.) But... Well... thats impossible. If you dont grow, you die. Law of the stronger. (its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.) p.s. I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS. I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk. Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again. Edit: And about that OP is only for WiS here... LOL... You ppl that are against WiS are minority, not us.
According to "leaks" from inside CCP last summer, CCP lost 8% (conservatively) on subs. That is a *HELL* of a lot more people than have bumped/+1'd this thread - so I don't really think the people who *aren't* interested in ambulation are the minority...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:34:00 -
[3230] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
According to "leaks" from inside CCP last summer, CCP lost 8% (conservatively) on subs. That is a *HELL* of a lot more people than have bumped/+1'd this thread - so I don't really think the people who *aren't* interested in ambulation are the minority...
People presume that players quit because of Incarna. When in reality it was due to an ongoing decrease in development in the game overall and the fact that Incarna did not meet expectations. and due to the threat of pay to win. Check out the many fanfest videos to see what Incarna was meant to be like in its first iteration. This is what we were expecting. Pro-WiS players were just as pissed off as you at what we actually got.
That is very different from players quiting because of WiS, which you suggest. Your analysis is lazy and incomplete.
As an aside, I actually know a couple players who quit saying that they might came back when (if?) Incarna is actually done. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:11:00 -
[3231] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:You seem to be spending a lot of time taunting me and decrying my CSM efforts. My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. A big piece of my job for a large software company here in the PACNW was in the PC gaming world. If you are at all clever with "the google" you can likely figure out a little more about that. So as a result I have exposure to a large number of gamers. Many that have played Eve, few that remain. One of the reasons all that left Eve cited was that they wanted to have an avatar experience. That other games gave them an experience they felt they could more related to. I also have encountered a very large number of players in Eve and most of the folks I've interacted with expressed a desire to see ambulation in Eve. I think this thread makes a strong case for that as well. So am pretty confident that my DIRECT experiences and observations make my theory about how important ambulation is to expanding the Eve player base more relevant the the what goes on in your noggin. Issler you mean you worked at microsoft? they make mmos? you know experience in the gaming industry are good credentials to show for csm candidates so list them just sayin.
explain how you want priority on wis while not taking any resources away from fis, please. NO Ur NOGGIN One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:25:00 -
[3232] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Cearain wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Cearain wrote: Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.
In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post.
I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.
I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
Those stats mean nothing, especially if you look at all the other posted replies in this thread. Total up the amount of 'Likes' for Pro-Wis replies and compair those to the amount of 'Likes' for the Anti-WiS replies, then post the results. Obviously you didn't bother to read thru this thread. Attacking Issler and this thread because of CSM voting only shows how little you really know. Silence, oh ye of little faith, lest ye incur the wrath of the Allmighty. These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it: Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you. Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you. Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you. You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him. I think it is you that is confused about what likes mean. A couple of things: 1, The thread is still alive because of lots of different people, now including CCP devs keep posting, 2. The thread has 5200+ likes spread throughout all of the replies with the vast majority being in support of ambulation. If you really believe it is the same handful of people then prove it or STFU. Feel free to go through the 3K+ posts and tabulate the posters names and also the likes for and and against. In the mean time, keep looking like a tragic victim of space induced madness with your weak arguments and lack of statistical insight. If I can prove more than 187 characters posted will you biomass yourself and drop your subscription? Wait, I know what's coming, whatever number I ended up with you'd say they were ll my alts....... Issler
I simply pointed out some facts.
Point of fact: This thread has been bumped to page one of eve general since october of 2011
Point of fact: there were only 187 likes for the original post as of my last post.
Now you can try to explain these facts away. Like someone was saying maybe people posting here didn't read the original post. I mean I think that is a pretty funny explanation but whatever.
If pointing out facts makes you angry unless I also prove something else to you I am sorry. But I am not going to stfu just because the facts I point out make you upset.
BTW do you know how many times you have posted in this thread? Just curious. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:48:00 -
[3233] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends? let's see that team avatar devblog One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:50:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:You seem to be spending a lot of time taunting me and decrying my CSM efforts. My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. A big piece of my job for a large software company here in the PACNW was in the PC gaming world. If you are at all clever with "the google" you can likely figure out a little more about that. So as a result I have exposure to a large number of gamers. Many that have played Eve, few that remain. One of the reasons all that left Eve cited was that they wanted to have an avatar experience. That other games gave them an experience they felt they could more related to. I also have encountered a very large number of players in Eve and most of the folks I've interacted with expressed a desire to see ambulation in Eve. I think this thread makes a strong case for that as well. So am pretty confident that my DIRECT experiences and observations make my theory about how important ambulation is to expanding the Eve player base more relevant the the what goes on in your noggin. Issler you mean you worked at microsoft? they make mmos? you know experience in the gaming industry are good credentials to show for csm candidates so list them just sayin. explain how you want priority on wis while not taking any resources away from fis, please. NO Ur NOGGIN
Microsoft did make MMO's but I am referring to the policy of our team that made technology I worked on and that is used on all PC games, to adopt a game and play it daily with the latest internal builds of our technology. Do a little homework and you'll find me on 4 patents that make those little pixels move around so well, I also helped get Xbox started.
I've shared my history in the past. Do some homework, not my job to "impress" you in this thread.
I have never said ambulation is my top priority, I've advocated a balanced approach, so stop making stuff up.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:57:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Cearain wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Cearain wrote: Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.
In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post.
I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.
I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.
Those stats mean nothing, especially if you look at all the other posted replies in this thread. Total up the amount of 'Likes' for Pro-Wis replies and compair those to the amount of 'Likes' for the Anti-WiS replies, then post the results. Obviously you didn't bother to read thru this thread. Attacking Issler and this thread because of CSM voting only shows how little you really know. Silence, oh ye of little faith, lest ye incur the wrath of the Allmighty. These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it: Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you. Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you. Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you. You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him. I think it is you that is confused about what likes mean. A couple of things: 1, The thread is still alive because of lots of different people, now including CCP devs keep posting, 2. The thread has 5200+ likes spread throughout all of the replies with the vast majority being in support of ambulation. If you really believe it is the same handful of people then prove it or STFU. Feel free to go through the 3K+ posts and tabulate the posters names and also the likes for and and against. In the mean time, keep looking like a tragic victim of space induced madness with your weak arguments and lack of statistical insight. If I can prove more than 187 characters posted will you biomass yourself and drop your subscription? Wait, I know what's coming, whatever number I ended up with you'd say they were ll my alts....... Issler I simply pointed out some facts. Point of fact: This thread has been bumped to page one of eve general since october of 2011 Point of fact: there were only 187 likes for the original post as of my last post. Now you can try to explain these facts away. Like someone was saying maybe people posting here didn't read the original post. I mean I think that is a pretty funny explanation but whatever. If pointing out facts makes you angry unless I also prove something else to you I am sorry. But I am not going to stfu just because the facts I point out make you upset. BTW do you know how many times you have posted in this thread? Just curious.
....and 3K likes throughout the thread, the majority supporting the point of the original post. The thread was bumped much more often by other folks, not me, and I have no idea how many times I posted, I do know I tried to answer any non-troll post.
A lot of folks when a thread gets huge go to the end and like the later posts so your first post like thing is nonsense, I never asked folks to like the first post if they agreed, I asked them post in the thread if they supported ambulation, and guess what, they exceeded my expectations by a huge margin.
So why don't you go off and count all the posts by author and the likes for and against and then amaze me with your incredible intellect!
And for a bonus, show me any thread you've started that ever amounted to anything.
Issler
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:59:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=714492#post714492 not making it up call it a momentary slip and i will let it go, wis priority is not acceptable, continued development at diminished capacity is
look, it's one thing for me to sperg about Issler Dainze, and another for me to google you as the RL person, unless "Issler Dainze" is on your resume and public records how do i find out about your background.
if you think all your potential constituents and other undecided voters need to "do their homework" in case they might want to vote for you, then so be it. what i meant is you can post that background stuff on your election website or jita park thread doofus One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:09:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts.
Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true.
I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around.
But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
621
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:40:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote: Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true.
How about me?
When I started playing EvE, I thought it was a lovely game, but I never stuck around (because there's only so much that's entertaining about floating in an asteroid field). Then I heard that we were getting Ambulation, and my desire to play was increased a hundred-fold.
Now, after the Incarna debacle and Monoclegate, my enthusiasm has dulled a bit. I'm not leaving -- not by a long shot -- but the idea of Ambulation was what brought me back and convinced me to stay.
Without that promise of 'freedom' from the pod, I may not have come back. Monoclegate: because calling it 'Doorgate' would just be silly. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:54:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Doc Fury wrote: Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true.
How about me? When I started playing EvE, I thought it was a lovely game, but I never stuck around (because there's only so much that's entertaining about floating in an asteroid field). Then I heard that we were getting Ambulation, and my desire to play was increased a hundred-fold. Now, after the Incarna debacle and Monoclegate, my enthusiasm has dulled a bit. I'm not leaving -- not by a long shot -- but the idea of Ambulation was what brought me back and convinced me to stay. Without that promise of 'freedom' from the pod, I may not have come back.
Issler's argument is: "folks [are] not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way"
You ARE playing EVE, so your argument is non-sequitur, and a poor attempt at white-knighting for Issler.
If you only re-subbed because you thought CCP was going to deliver on "ambulation" and compelling, meaningful content for it any time soon, I hope you brought your own Vaseline. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:55:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=714492#post714492 not making it up call it a momentary slip and i will let it go, wis priority is not acceptable, continued development at diminished capacity is
look, it's one thing for me to sperg about Issler Dainze, and another for me to google you as the RL person, unless "Issler Dainze" is on your resume and public records how do i find out about your background.
if you think all your potential constituents and other undecided voters need to "do their homework" in case they might want to vote for you, then so be it. what i meant is you can post that background stuff on your election website or jita park thread doofus
A priority, yes, of course, top priority, no.
It would take you seconds to find who I am in RL since it is part of the previous CSM records in the Eve wiki.
I have a background web page ready and will be spending a lot of time talking about my background and qualifications in the context of the CSM 7 elections. This is the ambulation thread, not the "me for CSM 7" thread.
Issler |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.17 05:06:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts.
Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true. I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around. But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild.
I most definitely contributed considerable IP to the DX shader model and am listed as an inventor for four of the patents, present at several major technical conferences about the standards I helped develop and assisted virtually every hardfware company making compatible hardware comply with the DX9 standards and even recieved several quite nice bonuses when the patents were granted, but I expect you enjoy Morgan more than I enjoyed what I did with the money....
Also contributed to patents at Compaq and Motorola in the 35 years I've been an engineer in the PC space.... but again, your imaginary spouse is very impressitve....
So what do you do for a living, does it involve fast food fryers??
Issler |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.17 05:14:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts.
Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true. I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around. But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild. I most definitely contributed considerable IP to the DX shader model and am listed as an inventor for four of the patents, present at several major technical conferences about the standards I helped develop and assisted virtually every hardfware company making compatible hardware comply with the DX9 standards and even recieved several quite nice bonuses when the patents were granted, but I expect you enjoy Morgan more than I enjoyed what I did with the money.... Also contributed to patents at Compaq and Motorola in the 35 years I've been an engineer in the PC space.... but again, your imaginary spouse is very impressitve.... So what do you do for a living, does it involve fast food fryers?? Issler
Still waiting to see those facts you claim to have.. Your attempts to distract from that via irrelevant chest-beating notwithstanding.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.17 05:23:00 -
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http://ip.com/patent/US8035646 that's actually pretty impressive so it's literally your fault that the game industry has a Console over PC mentality nowadays. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.17 05:35:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:http://ip.com/patent/US8035646that's actually pretty impressive so it's literally your fault that the game industry has a Console over PC mentality nowadays.
Well, high end PCs still are better at graphics than consoles..... but sure, blame me!
Issler |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
506
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Posted - 2012.02.17 06:19:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends? We don't take kindly to friendzoning 'round these parts mister |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.17 06:22:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts.
Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true. I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around. But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild. I most definitely contributed considerable IP to the DX shader model and am listed as an inventor for four of the patents, present at several major technical conferences about the standards I helped develop and assisted virtually every hardfware company making compatible hardware comply with the DX9 standards and even recieved several quite nice bonuses when the patents were granted, but I expect you enjoy Morgan more than I enjoyed what I did with the money.... Also contributed to patents at Compaq and Motorola in the 35 years I've been an engineer in the PC space.... but again, your imaginary spouse is very impressitve.... So what do you do for a living, does it involve fast food fryers?? Issler Still waiting to see those facts you claim to have.. Your attempts to distract from that via irrelevant chest-beating notwithstanding.
What it must be like in your head..... |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.17 06:26:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts.
Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true. I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around. But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild. I most definitely contributed considerable IP to the DX shader model and am listed as an inventor for four of the patents, present at several major technical conferences about the standards I helped develop and assisted virtually every hardfware company making compatible hardware comply with the DX9 standards and even recieved several quite nice bonuses when the patents were granted, but I expect you enjoy Morgan more than I enjoyed what I did with the money.... Also contributed to patents at Compaq and Motorola in the 35 years I've been an engineer in the PC space.... but again, your imaginary spouse is very impressitve.... So what do you do for a living, does it involve fast food fryers?? Issler Still waiting to see those facts you claim to have.. Your attempts to distract from that via irrelevant chest-beating notwithstanding. What it must be like in your head.....
Nice try to distract again, but where are those facts of yours?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.02.17 09:43:00 -
[3248] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts.
Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true. I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around. But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild. I most definitely contributed considerable IP to the DX shader model and am listed as an inventor for four of the patents, present at several major technical conferences about the standards I helped develop and assisted virtually every hardfware company making compatible hardware comply with the DX9 standards and even recieved several quite nice bonuses when the patents were granted, but I expect you enjoy Morgan more than I enjoyed what I did with the money.... Also contributed to patents at Compaq and Motorola in the 35 years I've been an engineer in the PC space.... but again, your imaginary spouse is very impressitve.... So what do you do for a living, does it involve fast food fryers?? Issler Still waiting to see those facts you claim to have.. Your attempts to distract from that via irrelevant chest-beating notwithstanding. What it must be like in your head.....
@ Issler Dainze the more this 2 ppl attack you for the last few pages, and don't accept any logic argument, the more and more i like you because of your responses. (not only the quoted one... this was just the last one ) |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.17 09:50:00 -
[3249] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Brought to you by the same dozen players who post here!
Whatever dude. We represent a percentage of the community as do you and your views. It's just that the rest of the community isn't vocal on the forums... As to what percentage we represent, who knows.
Issler please ignore all the off topic troll posts about your election campaign. This isn't the place. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.17 11:47:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Way to take an innocent question generated through a desire to see WIS on the agenda for CSM7 and twist it into a mindless show of aggression. Yeah, right. First of all, it's not aggression. But hey, please portray it that way if it makes you feel better.
Secondly, whoever a person votes for is their own private business. I don't see you proclaiming who you're going to vote for, only see you asking if others are going to vote for Issler.
If you really care about seeing WiS on the agenda for CSM7, try asking all the players currently campaigning for CSM7 in Jita Park forum what their viewpoint is about WiS.
Cearain wrote: These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it:
Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.
Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.
Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you.
You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him.
lol, seems you don't like the idea of a thread staying active for very long. By the way, you're running down a Two Way Street. The same thing can be said about the amount of 'Likes' the Anti-WiS replies received. So going by your logic, then there's even less people that disagree with the OP since the 'Likes' for Pro-WiS replies vastly out-number the 'Likes' for Anti-WiS replies in this thread.
Actually, it's sad because the 'Likes' don't mean diddly squat and FYI - this thread also get's bumped to the top by Anti-WiS replies. Truth be known, if they had just ignored this thread, it probably would have slowly died out a long time ago.
CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends? Hello CCP karkur, thanks for dropping by. Hopefully you meant 'friends with benefits'.
On second thought, it almost looks like you're issuing a warning, like a prelude to a lock.
Berke Negri wrote: oh sorry feel free to resume acting like a child and throwing a fit towards devs who aren't even involved in WiS development then
I think you have me confused with someone else. I definitely didn't throw a fit nor did I make a statement that they were involved with WiS development. |
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2012.02.17 12:04:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Way to take an innocent question generated through a desire to see WIS on the agenda for CSM7 and twist it into a mindless show of aggression. Yeah, right. First of all, it's not aggression. But hey, please portray it that way if it makes you feel better. Secondly, whoever a person votes for is their own private business. I don't see you proclaiming who you're going to vote for, only see you asking if others are going to vote for Issler. If you really care about seeing WiS on the agenda for CSM7, try asking all the players currently campaigning for CSM7 in Jita Park forum what their viewpoint is about WiS. Cearain wrote: These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it:
Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.
Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.
Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you.
You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him.
lol, seems you don't like the idea of a thread staying active for very long. By the way, you're running down a Two Way Street. The same thing can be said about the amount of 'Likes' the Anti-WiS replies received. So going by your logic, then there's even less people that disagree with the OP since the 'Likes' for Pro-WiS replies vastly out-number the 'Likes' for Anti-WiS replies in this thread. Actually, it's sad because the 'Likes' don't mean diddly squat and FYI - this thread also get's bumped to the top by Anti-WiS replies. Truth be known, if they had just ignored this thread, it probably would have slowly died out a long time ago..
I don't think I ever posted in a thread that I didn't read the original post. Not reading the original post and posting in a thread is rude because you may not even be on topic. But I definitely haven't read all the posts in this thread, I'm sure very few have.
As for who kept bumping this thread I have a decent idea. Somewhere early on I tagged this thread so I could argue against CCP making the horrible mistake of going back to the days when all their resources were spent on wis. Now I can't find the post to uncheck it and I get flags every time someone posts. Your name, oldbutfeelingyoung and isslers name are almost always flagged as posting here. I usually know I can ignore that flag.
I don't know how many times you guys posted here but its allot. And you of course have had plenty of people to respond to because not only is your topic not very popular. Allot of people are so against it that they don't just ignore it they actually post against it.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
275
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Posted - 2012.02.17 13:25:00 -
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The elephant in the room is combat.
To fully fit into the world of EVE, fully open WiS simply needs to involve the ability to fight another player. This presents obvious problems and major, MAJOR questionmarks dealing with fundamental lore and game design issues- forced biomassing being the biggest. If you are not in your capsule, and get killed, you die "true death".
I don't know how they intended to approach this, perhaps some new technical advancement in clone-transfer technology?
The current WiS gfx engine can't handle multiplayer combat, with weapons, explosions and what not. Who knows when it can.
Corridor-camping, body-blobbing (stations have physical volume limits), griefing, squad combat interface, station environment destruction, agression mechanics, stray bullets, CONCORD... the list is very long, I'm afraid.
Enabling combat brings also the requirement to defend yourself, which leads to skills. Whole new core skills and weapon system trees, and these would make career advancement terrible for new characters, as they would be forced to train both FiS and WiS skills.
So what about WiS without combat?
It would be limited to peaceful interaction emphasizing the social aspects, which seems to be a big issue to some players. I personally see it would just make the world richer, not everything has to involve gameplay. Realistic worlds do have "meaningless" things and functions, hell, our real lives are mostly meaningless :D
What I would like to see:
- Docking & undocking, unique to every station and POS type (also viewable from inside Ship Maintenance Bay) - Fully walkable Ship Maintenance Bays (imagine the rows of battleships, complete with your alliance/corp logos) - Corp War Rooms, where corp members can all see the same info at the same time (interactive fitting tool, new strategic map and new corp performance reporting tools) - basically just give corp members more "flesh" and sense of belonging together. I live in wspace, and my corpmates are just ships floating in a bubble and text in a chat window, voices without bodies - Some new form of trading directly between characters, maybe to avoid tax? To smuggle items from one faction space to another?
My #1 wish would be to focus (not only WiS) development on Player Owned Structures. Let corps and alliances build fortresses and cities in the stars that they can call their own. Modular, customisable, destroyable :)
Currently the most common POS, that non-interactive stick with a bubble around it is hardly inspiring, hard to call "home".
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Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.02.17 16:08:00 -
[3253] - Quote
Can someone please point out any answer from CCP to WIS development questions? The new forums have some nice features but trying to find a dev reply out of a many page thread is not one of them. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.17 16:22:00 -
[3254] - Quote
Shepard Book wrote:Can someone please point out any answer from CCP to WIS development questions? The new forums have some nice features but trying to find a dev reply out of a many page thread is not one of them.
Its repeated every 5 pages about.
CCP has a very small team of 5 developers on WiS.
Thier main goal is to put in the rest of the half finished cut features from incarna which they hinted at wasnt that many that got started on.
Expect no real incarna improvements for the next year of any sort.
Blog soon(tm)
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
621
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Posted - 2012.02.17 16:24:00 -
[3255] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote: Issler's argument is: "folks [are] not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way"
You ARE playing EVE, so your argument is non-sequitur, and a poor attempt at white-knighting for Issler.
If you only re-subbed because you thought CCP was going to deliver on "ambulation" and compelling, meaningful content for it any time soon, I hope you brought your own Vaseline.
And you are deflecting a valid argument, as well as not paying attention to the whole of my post.
I played Wing Commander: Privateer, years and years ago. It allowed the pilot to get out of his ship, but again -- it was an empty experience, because the 'stations' you could visit were nothing more than a glorified menu screen and the other people were computer programs, devoid of any real personality.
Still -- it drew me in, because it was more than just a 'flight sim'. And I want EvE to be mroe than just a flight sim. Ambulation offered that potential, and still does.
EvE won me back because of what it could be, and I'm glad CCP was (however briefly) on the same wavelength. Monoclegate: because calling it 'Doorgate' would just be silly. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.17 16:44:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Doc Fury wrote: Issler's argument is: "folks [are] not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way"
You ARE playing EVE, so your argument is non-sequitur, and a poor attempt at white-knighting for Issler.
If you only re-subbed because you thought CCP was going to deliver on "ambulation" and compelling, meaningful content for it any time soon, I hope you brought your own Vaseline.
And you are deflecting a valid argument, as well as not paying attention to the whole of my post. I played Wing Commander: Privateer, years and years ago. It allowed the pilot to get out of his ship, but again -- it was an empty experience, because the 'stations' you could visit were nothing more than a glorified menu screen and the other people were computer programs, devoid of any real personality. Still -- it drew me in, because it was more than just a 'flight sim'. And I want EvE to be mroe than just a flight sim. Ambulation offered that potential, and still does. EvE won me back because of what it could be, and I'm glad CCP was (however briefly) on the same wavelength.
Cool story bro, but you are playing EVE and the argument is that people are not playing because of teh lack of avatar-based gameplay.
Glad you found something to do that interests you enough to pay a sub. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.17 16:46:00 -
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I am going to assume all of the new videos we are getting are acutally going to wind up in captains quaters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc0Xx3MZ4I4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI4VkO6qr0U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJKcK-Fv80I
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:06:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends? Hello CCP karkur, thanks for dropping by. Hopefully you meant 'friends with benefits'. On second thought, it almost looks like you're issuing a warning, like a prelude to a lock. Hi there... and no, that's not what I meant .... at all! I'm not about to lock this thread (I don't even have the power to do that)
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:29:00 -
[3259] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends?
CCP karkur, you may have noticed that this thread got alot friendlier right after the first post by team Avatar. Then it slowly degenerated again.
So maybe the reason we cannot all be friends is too little attention from CCP and team Avatar. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:44:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends? CCP karkur, you may have noticed that this thread got alot friendlier right after the first post by team Avatar. Then it slowly degenerated again. So maybe the reason we cannot all be friends is too little attention from CCP and team Avatar.
indeed ,maybe a memo to TA with the questions ,When ? promised? and now what?
But anyway nice to know this thread is followed by CCP ,i hope that TA does the same I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:57:00 -
[3261] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: indeed ,maybe a memo to TA with the questions ,When ? promised? and now what?
But anyway nice to know this thread is followed by CCP ,i hope that TA does the same
I am on Team Avatar and we have been paying attention to this thread There is a devblog on the way from us, so be patient, and keep being friendly |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.17 18:03:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: indeed ,maybe a memo to TA with the questions ,When ? promised? and now what?
But anyway nice to know this thread is followed by CCP ,i hope that TA does the same
I am on Team Avatar and we have been paying attention to this thread There is a devblog on the way from us, so be patient, and keep being friendly
lol sorry for not seeing that ,so nice to know TA is following this. and i try to keep friendly as possible ofcourse I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.02.17 18:11:00 -
[3263] - Quote
Roime wrote:The elephant in the room is combat.
To fully fit into the world of EVE, fully open WiS simply needs to involve the ability to fight another player. This presents obvious problems and major, MAJOR questionmarks dealing with fundamental lore and game design issues- forced biomassing being the biggest. If you are not in your capsule, and get killed, you die "true death".
I don't know how they intended to approach this, perhaps some new technical advancement in clone-transfer technology?
The current WiS gfx engine can't handle multiplayer combat, with weapons, explosions and what not. Who knows when it can.
Corridor-camping, body-blobbing (stations have physical volume limits), griefing, squad combat interface, station environment destruction, agression mechanics, stray bullets, CONCORD... the list is very long, I'm afraid.
Enabling combat brings also the requirement to defend yourself, which leads to skills. Whole new core skills and weapon system trees, and these would make career advancement terrible for new characters, as they would be forced to train both FiS and WiS skills.
So what about WiS without combat?
It would be limited to peaceful interaction emphasizing the social aspects, which seems to be a big issue to some players. I personally see it would just make the world richer, not everything has to involve gameplay. Realistic worlds do have "meaningless" things and functions, hell, our real lives are mostly meaningless :D
What I would like to see:
- Docking & undocking, unique to every station and POS type (also viewable from inside Ship Maintenance Bay) - Fully walkable Ship Maintenance Bays (imagine the rows of battleships, complete with your alliance/corp logos) - Corp War Rooms, where corp members can all see the same info at the same time (interactive fitting tool, new strategic map and new corp performance reporting tools) - basically just give corp members more "flesh" and sense of belonging together. I live in wspace, and my corpmates are just ships floating in a bubble and text in a chat window, voices without bodies - Some new form of trading directly between characters, maybe to avoid tax? To smuggle items from one faction space to another?
My #1 wish would be to focus (not only WiS) development on Player Owned Structures. Let corps and alliances build fortresses and cities in the stars that they can call their own. Modular, customisable, destroyable :)
Currently the most common POS, that non-interactive stick with a bubble around it is hardly inspiring, hard to call "home".
I believe that the highlighted things are being worked on, they are called "DUST514".
If they could port that stuff to Eve purely for purposes of in-station combat, I think it would go a long way to making things a little more friendly (at least here on the forums).
Imagine being able to not only hire Dust Mercs to invade planets for you, but also orbital structures (Outposts, POCO's, POS Towers), I would absolutely love to see that get implemented. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.17 18:53:00 -
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Combat is a loose term in Eve. If you play outside the space ship game you think it is.
From what you squabbeled out though I have to belive that you have had zero combat experince outside the space ship currenlty in eve or at least very inexperinced in it. I do say utterly crushing your opponent outside of spaceship is by far much more damaging than you can possibly comphened. To one point almost every major war in eve has ended becuase of out of ship combat. All that shooting outside the station is background noise, real combat is when you cause your opponent to turn on each other, crush them with your wallets, make them think its end of thier world and there is nothing they can do to stop it.
If WiS where to introduce combat I peferr more of less gun pointing and more devious manners instead.
How would you like to use a hacker obtained codes and software to use in short personal range of your target. To hack thier neo com and steal thier information. Alter thier plans. Inplant listening devices. Funnel some of thier isk.
How about setting up an underground contract to arrange things underhandedly that wont be seen by the API but increases assurance of done deals?
How about a spy that managed to get into the outpost and have him hack the entire station's decoration software to show that of the attacking allaince.
I currently play these sort of games and you have no idea how satisfying it is to utterly crush somone who thought they where entirely safe in a station.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:04:00 -
[3265] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends? Hello CCP karkur, thanks for dropping by. Hopefully you meant 'friends with benefits'. On second thought, it almost looks like you're issuing a warning, like a prelude to a lock. Hi there... and no, that's not what I meant .... at all! I'm not about to lock this thread (I don't even have the power to do that)
You ever read a concept thread I started? Don't expect any point by point commentary, just wondering...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60345
It's only 3 pages... (of max lenth forum posts)
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:50:00 -
[3266] - Quote
5 years from now when there's still been effectively no further development to Incarna bar the slightest cosmetic tweaks, will Issler still be posting in this thread? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:01:00 -
[3267] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:5 years from now when there's still been effectively no further development to Incarna bar the slightest cosmetic tweaks, will Issler still be posting in this thread?
So ambulation and Incarna are two different things. Better question is will all the goons quit Eve when team avatar delivers something compelling? We can only hope.
Issler |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:04:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Combat is a loose term in Eve. If you play outside the space ship game you think it is.
From what you squabbeled out though I have to belive that you have had zero combat experince outside the space ship currenlty in eve or at least very inexperinced in it. I do say utterly crushing your opponent outside of spaceship is by far much more damaging than you can possibly comphened. To one point almost every major war in eve has ended becuase of out of ship combat. All that shooting outside the station is background noise, real combat is when you cause your opponent to turn on each other, crush them with your wallets, make them think its end of thier world and there is nothing they can do to stop it.
If WiS where to introduce combat I peferr more of less gun pointing and more devious manners instead.
How would you like to use a hacker obtained codes and software to use in short personal range of your target. To hack thier neo com and steal thier information. Alter thier plans. Inplant listening devices. Funnel some of thier isk.
How about setting up an underground contract to arrange things underhandedly that wont be seen by the API but increases assurance of done deals?
How about a spy that managed to get into the outpost and have him hack the entire station's decoration software to show that of the attacking allaince.
I currently play these sort of games and you have no idea how satisfying it is to utterly crush somone who thought they where entirely safe in a station.
You do realize that you just described Vampire: The Masquerade with tech rather than Disciplines right?
I wonder how this will go over with all of the WoD haters..... Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:52:00 -
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Cearain wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Cearain wrote: These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it:
Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.
Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.
Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you.
You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him.
lol, seems you don't like the idea of a thread staying active for very long. By the way, you're running down a Two Way Street. The same thing can be said about the amount of 'Likes' the Anti-WiS replies received. So going by your logic, then there's even less people that disagree with the OP since the 'Likes' for Pro-WiS replies vastly out-number the 'Likes' for Anti-WiS replies in this thread. Actually, it's sad because the 'Likes' don't mean diddly squat and FYI - this thread also get's bumped to the top by Anti-WiS replies. Truth be known, if they had just ignored this thread, it probably would have slowly died out a long time ago.. I don't think I ever posted in a thread that I didn't read the original post. Not reading the original post and posting in a thread is rude because you may not even be on topic. But I definitely haven't read all the posts in this thread, I'm sure very few have. As for who kept bumping this thread I have a decent idea. Somewhere early on I tagged this thread so I could argue against CCP making the horrible mistake of going back to the days when all their resources were spent on wis. Now I can't find the post to uncheck it and I get flags every time someone posts. Your name, oldbutfeelingyoung and isslers name are almost always flagged as posting here. I usually know I can ignore that flag. I don't know how many times you guys posted here but its allot. And you of course have had plenty of people to respond to because not only is your topic not very popular. Allot of people are so against it that they don't just ignore it they actually post against it.
lol, that's a fail excuse, but please keep bumping this thread. I'm sure a lot of players have posted a positive reply to threads without adding a 'Like' to the OP.
First of all, you don't need to go to your very first posted reply to 'Remove Notifications'. Besides that, finding your first post in a thread is very easy to do, considering the forums keep a record of all posting done by every character. The first time you posted in this thread was on 2011.10.26 @ 03:30
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=258374#post258374 Page 19 - post 370
Secondly, if you did tag this thread, you'd get a notice every time someone posted a reply to this thread, not just from a few select characters.
FYI - After selecting the option to 'Quote' or 'Reply' to a thread, right below the text input field there's a little box with the words 'Receive Notifications' - left side of the 'Cancel', 'Post' and 'Preview' options. Please feel free to deselect it asap.
However, trolling this thread with the excuse that you can't find the option to stop receiving notifications is fail, especially since your posting record shows you have done a lot of negative replies to all Pro-WiS thread topics. Your record also shows you post a lot of positive replies for Factional Warfare threads. Obviously I could go to those threads, troll them and your replies while making the same claim that your name is flagged as one of the top posters keeping that thread alive.
Thirdly - Since you've already stated that you haven't read through this entire thread, you have no proof as to how many players actually like or dislike this topic. As was stated before, using the amount of 'Likes' in the original post along with the total amount of 'Replies', 'Views' and 'Likes' pertaining to this thread is not factual information, nor does it represent the opinion of the entire player base.
By the way, there's an option in these forums to 'Block' specific players. In other words, not view their posted replies. I strongly urge you to use that option asap, especially since Pro-WiS players will continue posting support for this thread.
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Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:52:00 -
[3270] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: So ambulation and Incarna are two different things. Better question is will all the goons quit Eve when team avatar delivers something compelling? We can only hope.
Issler
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.17 23:04:00 -
[3271] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Combat is a loose term in Eve. If you play outside the space ship game you think it is.
From what you squabbeled out though I have to belive that you have had zero combat experince outside the space ship currenlty in eve or at least very inexperinced in it. I do say utterly crushing your opponent outside of spaceship is by far much more damaging than you can possibly comphened. To one point almost every major war in eve has ended becuase of out of ship combat. All that shooting outside the station is background noise, real combat is when you cause your opponent to turn on each other, crush them with your wallets, make them think its end of thier world and there is nothing they can do to stop it.
If WiS where to introduce combat I peferr more of less gun pointing and more devious manners instead.
How would you like to use a hacker obtained codes and software to use in short personal range of your target. To hack thier neo com and steal thier information. Alter thier plans. Inplant listening devices. Funnel some of thier isk.
How about setting up an underground contract to arrange things underhandedly that wont be seen by the API but increases assurance of done deals?
How about a spy that managed to get into the outpost and have him hack the entire station's decoration software to show that of the attacking allaince.
I currently play these sort of games and you have no idea how satisfying it is to utterly crush somone who thought they where entirely safe in a station. You do realize that you just described Vampire: The Masquerade with tech rather than Disciplines right? I wonder how this will go over with all of the WoD haters.....
Funny thing is this is already in game here.
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Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.02.17 23:16:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Combat is a loose term in Eve. If you play outside the space ship game you think it is.
From what you squabbeled out though I have to belive that you have had zero combat experince outside the space ship currenlty in eve or at least very inexperinced in it. I do say utterly crushing your opponent outside of spaceship is by far much more damaging than you can possibly comphened. To one point almost every major war in eve has ended becuase of out of ship combat. All that shooting outside the station is background noise, real combat is when you cause your opponent to turn on each other, crush them with your wallets, make them think its end of thier world and there is nothing they can do to stop it.
If WiS where to introduce combat I peferr more of less gun pointing and more devious manners instead.
How would you like to use a hacker obtained codes and software to use in short personal range of your target. To hack thier neo com and steal thier information. Alter thier plans. Inplant listening devices. Funnel some of thier isk.
How about setting up an underground contract to arrange things underhandedly that wont be seen by the API but increases assurance of done deals?
How about a spy that managed to get into the outpost and have him hack the entire station's decoration software to show that of the attacking allaince.
I currently play these sort of games and you have no idea how satisfying it is to utterly crush somone who thought they where entirely safe in a station. You do realize that you just described Vampire: The Masquerade with tech rather than Disciplines right? I wonder how this will go over with all of the WoD haters..... Funny thing is this is already in game here.
I'm not disagreeing with you at all.
I just think it is amusing that with the amount of hatred for WoD I remember reading last summer; many of the same players are probably perfectly equipped already to play it.
I wonder if they just associate it with Twilight (an abomination that rightly deserves scorn) because it is vampires and dismiss it under the assumption that it is the same. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2012.02.18 00:03:00 -
[3273] - Quote
I do not think WiS needs combat between Avatars. I think it needs game play elements that supports and fosters PvP IN SPACE.
The entire booster / smuggling thing is an example of such a play element.
I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.18 01:09:00 -
[3274] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:I do not think WiS needs combat between Avatars. I think it needs game play elements that supports and fosters PvP IN SPACE.
The entire booster / smuggling thing is an example of such a play element.
I think WiS content could benefit by having a small variation of Avatar FPS PvP combat in special Concord sanctioned Arena's located within stations. That option would be purely consensual.
Allowing Avatars to run around doing mass ganking anywhere at anytime would be detrimental and quickly kill any interest to participate in WiS activities. Since Eve is basically a 'Killing Field' game, there could be some specialized career path options added to the game with skills and implants specifically designed for that type of activity. They should not be easily obtainable and should require the player a lot of time to effectively utilize them.
I had posted an idea about this subject here.
To counter that, there should be a couple of skills added to the game which when trained, will decrease the chance of the Avatar being assassinated. Maybe call them 'Bodyguard' and 'Protector' skills? |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.18 01:17:00 -
[3275] - Quote
You want consensual PVP combat in EVE?!
You may as well make WIS a completely different and standalone game.
LOL, and GBTW.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.18 01:34:00 -
[3276] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:You want consensual PVP combat in EVE?!
You may as well make WIS a completely different and standalone game.
LOL, and GBTW.
Typical response.
Guess you don't understand what I posted since it doesn't pertain to FiS and spaceship content. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.18 01:44:00 -
[3277] - Quote
Its better to compare WoD to Underworld Series I belive.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.18 02:02:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You want consensual PVP combat in EVE?!
You may as well make WIS a completely different and standalone game.
LOL, and GBTW.
Typical response. Guess you don't understand what I posted since it doesn't pertain to FiS and spaceship content.
No I understand it completely, you want combat PVP in WIS to be consensual or arena based like a PVP flag in WOW which is not how EVE works. The only place you should ever be safe is in your captain's closet unless you invite someone in who decides to off you.
Even if you tried to make in-station PVP some complicated skill or career based mechanic, CCP still can't even get the bounty hunter profession sussed-out after years of players begging them to do it.
You guys keep talking about WIS bringing-in and retaining new players for the "EVE experience" and honestly the only way that is going to work and retain subs is to have captivating, exciting and compelling content. That basically is going to boil-down to FPS and associated "missions" in stations. I don't really think too many players are going to want to pay $15/mo just to hang out with neckbeards who rolled a female Toon so they could dress it up in pink space pants just to hang out in a space bar/casino.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.18 02:17:00 -
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Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.18 02:42:00 -
[3280] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that.
How is that not FPS?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.18 02:45:00 -
[3281] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that. How is that not FPS?
Dues Ex is an adventure game where shooting your way though is seemingly that much harder than 'gentler' methoods.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.18 02:59:00 -
[3282] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You want consensual PVP combat in EVE?!
You may as well make WIS a completely different and standalone game.
LOL, and GBTW.
Typical response. Guess you don't understand what I posted since it doesn't pertain to FiS and spaceship content. No I understand it completely, you want combat PVP in WIS to be consensual or arena based like a PVP flag in WOW which is not how EVE works. The only place you should ever be safe is in your captain's closet unless you invite someone in who decides to off you. Even if you tried to make in-station PVP some complicated skill or career based mechanic, CCP still can't even get the bounty hunter profession sussed-out after years of players begging them to do it. You guys keep talking about WIS bringing-in and retaining new players for the "EVE experience" and honestly the only way that is going to work and retain subs is to have captivating, exciting and compelling content. That basically is going to boil-down to FPS and associated "missions" in stations. I don't really think too many players are going to want to pay $15/mo just to hang out with neckbeards who rolled a female Toon so they could dress it up in pink space pants just to hang out in a space bar/casino.
Thanks for clarifying that you indeed didn't understand what I posted. Besides that, don't even try to tell me how Eve works. This discussion is about a totally new area of content that can be developed and added to the game known as WiS.
Going by your opinion, WiS content should allow players to freely attack and gank anyone, anywhere at anytime. That will just discourage players from participating in WiS content thus making all of CCP's previous work nothing more than a waste of time and resources.
Having consensual FPS PvP Arena's will encourage player interaction with WiS content as well as hopefully entice new players who like FPS games to subscribe, besides that it'll add more options than just going into a bar or casino and /emoting.
The main reason for having 'specialized' career skills and implants to allow non-consensual PvP in WiS is due to this game being a skill based sand box along with maintaining the age old consensus that in Eve nowhere is truly safe (except in your Captains Quarters and Docking Bay). The flip side to that would also be adding skills that reduce the chance of your Avatar being assassinated.
CCP has already stated that WiS is here to stay. We the player base should take this opportunity and offer ideas that will help encourage development of this new content into something that all players can enjoy. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.18 03:01:00 -
[3283] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that. How is that not FPS? Dues Ex is an adventure game where shooting your way though is seemingly that much harder than 'gentler' methoods.
Just because something is termed an FPS does not necessarily mean you have to shoot all the time, and there's nothing wrong with that.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.18 03:10:00 -
[3284] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:5 years from now when there's still been effectively no further development to Incarna bar the slightest cosmetic tweaks, will Issler still be posting in this thread? So ambulation and Incarna are two different things. Better question is will all the goons quit Eve when team avatar delivers something compelling? We can only hope. Issler no i will not be quitting eve for the foreseeable future, all the other upcoming mmos out there are crap, especially the korean ones. if wis really is compelling when it is released, i will be interdicting wherever god's work need to be done. "compelling feature" example, i have never done anything related to industry but i am doing PI. unless maybe this game is finally released http://www.darkmillenniumonline.com/
if however team avatar learned nothing from the first time and wis is still utter crap and has no opt-out then i really may have to quit goons and escape to WH space where there are no stations. (yes, an extra 10 seconds of load time every time i dock is not acceptable for a feature i do not use).
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.18 03:36:00 -
[3285] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: CCP has already stated that WiS is here to stay.
You keep parroting that over and over like I am making an argument otherwise. You know what else is here to stay that languishes unfinished just like WIS? Factional Warfare.
If you want the so-called "anti-WIS" people to get on board with you, you can't be pushing an agenda that makes WIS anything like WOW or where you are 100% safe via consent-only PVP. CCP also needs to lead and not follow what other games are doing if they are to create a compelling expansion to EVE that has the staying-power and longevity that FIS has enjoyed. To be successful, you are also going to have to make WIS attractive enough where a lot of existing EVE players want to participate.
In EVE, a noob can kill (or beat) a vet. If you impose a skill-tree grind in WIS to be able to do that, you just discouraged the players you claim to want to attract and are asking CCP to abandon CCP's core gaming philosophy with EVE, non-consensual PVP The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.18 04:38:00 -
[3286] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: CCP has already stated that WiS is here to stay.
You keep parroting that over and over like I am making an argument otherwise. You know what else is here to stay that languishes unfinished just like WIS? Factional Warfare. If you want the so-called "anti-WIS" people to get on board with you, you can't be pushing an agenda that makes WIS anything like WOW or where you are 100% safe via consent-only PVP. CCP also needs to lead and not follow what other games are doing if they are to create a compelling expansion to EVE that has the staying-power and longevity that FIS has enjoyed. To be successful, you are also going to have to make WIS attractive enough where a lot of existing EVE players want to participate. In EVE, a noob can kill (or beat) a vet. If you impose a skill-tree grind in WIS to be able to do that, you just discouraged the players you claim to want to attract and are asking CCP to abandon CCP's core gaming philosophy with EVE, non-consensual PVP And that's the only thing you got from my reply? Man you fail.
No need to bring up Factional Warfare, it already has a lot of game play content as well as other 'unfinished' content such as Cosmos Agents, Exploration, SOV, etc.
I've never played WoW so making that reference is irrelevant.
I don't know what game you've been playing but in Eve Online, the only truly safe place for players in Eve right now is inside NPC stations. The idea I proposed for WiS PvP will give all players an option to actively participate in WiS content while maintaining a form of safety without being 100% safe.
As for a noob being able to kill (or beat) a vet, that's basically a rumor intended to keep new players subbed. A brand new player would be extremely lucky and very hard pressed to 'beat' a Vet, especially since skills play a very important part in this game. Which brings me to your next point, of course WiS should have a skill-tree grind. That alone keeps it in line with the rest of the game.
Bottom line, you're saying CCP should have non-consensual PvP action incorporated into WiS. That's basically asking CCP to abandon years of hard work on WiS. Why? Because if WiS has non-consensual PvP everywhere, very few players will participate in that type of content. That's guaranteed.
Good job, you've figured out how to effectively kill WiS and maintain Eve Online as being a spaceship simulator game. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.18 04:59:00 -
[3287] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: if WiS has non-consensual PvP everywhere, very few players will participate in that type of content. That's guaranteed.
Citation needed. Show me the data that guarantees this outcome please.
"Non-consensual PVP everywhere" is exactly how EVE works now and yet here we are, new players subscribe all the time, and existing ones re-sub. CCP has enjoyed having one of the longest-lived successful MMOs in gaming history, and overall has an increasing subscription base. As long as they don't try to bite off more than they can chew again, odds are, they will continue to do so.
I am starting to think you got ganked at some point, are bitter because of it, and see an opportunity to try to impose you own desired safety-based play-style on WIS.
CCP has already stated EVE is a PVP game.
/see what I did there?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.18 05:05:00 -
[3288] - Quote
we must be able to do god's work everywhere One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.18 05:32:00 -
[3289] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: if WiS has non-consensual PvP everywhere, very few players will participate in that type of content. That's guaranteed. Citation needed. Show me the data that guarantees this outcome please. "Non-consensual PVP everywhere" is exactly how EVE works now and yet here we are, new players subscribe all the time, and existing ones re-sub. CCP has enjoyed having one of the longest-lived successful MMOs in gaming history, and overall has an increasing subscription base. As long as they don't try to bite off more than they can chew again, odds are, they will continue to do so. I am starting to think you got ganked at some point, are bitter because of it, and see an opportunity to try to impose you own desired safety-based play-style on WIS. CCP has already stated EVE is a PVP game. /see what I did there?
And yet contrary to your viewpoint of how this game is meant to be played, low sec remains pretty much uninhabited with a small amount of the player base located in null sec while the majority of players remain in high sec. That fact alone proves that the majority of players in this game are not here for non-consensual PvP.
Thanks again for proving how you still don't understand my proposal, especially since I never advocated for WiS to be completely 100% safe. I'm beginning to think you use in-game grief play and forum trolling to compensate for your inept social ability's. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.18 05:40:00 -
[3290] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: if WiS has non-consensual PvP everywhere, very few players will participate in that type of content. That's guaranteed. Citation needed. Show me the data that guarantees this outcome please. "Non-consensual PVP everywhere" is exactly how EVE works now and yet here we are, new players subscribe all the time, and existing ones re-sub. CCP has enjoyed having one of the longest-lived successful MMOs in gaming history, and overall has an increasing subscription base. As long as they don't try to bite off more than they can chew again, odds are, they will continue to do so. I am starting to think you got ganked at some point, are bitter because of it, and see an opportunity to try to impose you own desired safety-based play-style on WIS. CCP has already stated EVE is a PVP game. /see what I did there? And yet contrary to your viewpoint of how this game is meant to be played, low sec remains pretty much uninhabited with a small amount of the player base located in null sec while the majority of players remain in high sec. That fact alone proves that the majority of players in this game are not here for non-consensual PvP. Thanks again for proving how you still don't understand my proposal, especially since I never advocated for WiS to be completely 100% safe. I'm beginning to think you use in-game grief play and forum trolling to compensate for your inept social ability's.
Sure, attack the messenger when you have no valid counter argument. That's how you win people over to your point of view.
FYI, EVE being a PVP game is not my viewpoint, it's CCP's.
So, where's your data to support your prior claim that GUARANTEES very few players will participate in non-consensual PVP content? You conveniently left that info out of your latest opus and personal attack on me.
Edit: Highsec while vastly inhabited is also subject to non-consensual PVP, just as CCP intended. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.18 06:44:00 -
[3291] - Quote
Well Ill point over to team avatar, why keep people on payroll?
Also Hilmar regrets what was done in an intervew to one of the websites not to long ago but promises to redeliver 'ambulation' in way it was meant to be without forsaking Features in Space.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.18 06:48:00 -
[3292] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that. How is that not FPS? Dues Ex is an adventure game where shooting your way though is seemingly that much harder than 'gentler' methoods. Just because something is termed an FPS does not necessarily mean you have to shoot all the time, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Actually its quite wrong. Simple principals and theories behind FPS do not belong inside a station. They belong on the ground. What Dues Ex did was philopholcally a different monster than a FPS, Mass effect barrows more traits of an FPS but doesnt inherit all the traits that makes it a shooter.
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Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.02.18 06:49:00 -
[3293] - Quote
I am hoping WIS contains the same dark underhanded player interaction you can have through FIS; Hacking of personal hangers Smuggling Interacting with direct market agents to manipulate the market Interacting with mission agents to manipulate other players standings and mission "spawns" ...
There are lots and lots of simple ways CCP could make WIS fit into and add to the Eve Online concept. Any one who proposes that PVP should be consensual should not be listened to - those people don't get Eve. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.18 07:30:00 -
[3294] - Quote
I wouldnt mind having a mission where you install a bomb on some poor smucks ship and detonate it just right when he forgets to do a security sweep.
Robbing the hangers by replacing them with fake modules.
Screwing with thier buy orders.
This is the sort of combat I want to have inside the station.
Getting a temporary gene scuplted clone and fake id to get access to some war rooms. So on and so forth.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.18 09:28:00 -
[3295] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc0Xx3MZ4I4&list=UU3cxDDMpYTZ7PqZma4NdNuA&feature=plcp i am just going to go ahead and blame this on the incompetence of team avatar One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.18 10:23:00 -
[3296] - Quote
Just watched the "Awakening" trailer and was left with the feeling that either marketing guys are living in an alternate reality where Incarna delivered and Crucible was about WiS or CCP just does not worry about misleading people on what's the game about.
Or, maybe marketing avatars for a game without avatar content (let alone avatar gameplay) is what they call a joke in Iceland. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia
36
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Posted - 2012.02.18 11:25:00 -
[3297] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
Dude Mass Effect! Relax!
WIS why? so you can look at...... other avatars that will slow your machine down to a crawl? They will spend so much time and effort for essentially something that has nothing to do with eve online but more with barbies playhouse, filled with carebears ..... maybe we can have caldari fashion shows or amarr golden awards shows for best dressed.
seriously, why? I would much rather have low orbit planetary dog fights then walking around..... booooring.
I would even be interested in a star wars like turret gunner, you have to point and shoot while someone else is piloting. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.18 16:05:00 -
[3298] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Trinity is used for space. Enlightenment Engine is used for WoD and WiS. Avatar and indor graphic tech is developed for WoD using the Enlightenment Engine and then is applied for CQ too. Carbon is just marketing name for all tech CCP have developed. And how you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST... There is only CCP - the development studio. They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money. All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game. Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way. Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead. You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then. You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time. There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen. Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech? Why you want EVE dead? And many ppl like WiS. Many ppl want WiS. Many ppl need WiS to play EVE. So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever? But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.) But... Well... thats impossible. If you dont grow, you die. Law of the stronger. (its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.) p.s. I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS. I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk. Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again. Edit: And about that OP is only for WiS here... LOL... You ppl that are against WiS are minority, not us.
This is one part of what i am trying so say to people, but some people just dont want to listen anything thats not theirs opinion. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.18 16:18:00 -
[3299] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Trinity is used for space. Enlightenment Engine is used for WoD and WiS. Avatar and indor graphic tech is developed for WoD using the Enlightenment Engine and then is applied for CQ too. Carbon is just marketing name for all tech CCP have developed. And how you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST... There is only CCP - the development studio. They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money. All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game. Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way. Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead. You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then. You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time. There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen. Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech? Why you want EVE dead? And many ppl like WiS. Many ppl want WiS. Many ppl need WiS to play EVE. So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever? But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.) But... Well... thats impossible. If you dont grow, you die. Law of the stronger. (its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.) p.s. I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS. I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk. Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again. Edit: And about that OP is only for WiS here... LOL... You ppl that are against WiS are minority, not us. This is one part of what i am trying so say to people, but some people just dont want to listen anything thats not theirs opinion. just when i was about to run out of trollpacitor, you had to post something like this. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.02.18 18:45:00 -
[3300] - Quote
I asked this before, but apparently was glossed over...
Since one of the members of Team Avatar was a very strong supporter of microtransactions as presented during the last farce, errr... Alliance Tournament, how much of WIS will be involved with the Nex store? |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.18 19:00:00 -
[3301] - Quote
cyndrogen wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler Dude Mass Effect! Relax! WIS why? so you can look at...... other avatars that will slow your machine down to a crawl? They will spend so much time and effort for essentially something that has nothing to do with eve online but more with barbies playhouse, filled with carebears ..... maybe we can have caldari fashion shows or amarr golden awards shows for best dressed. seriously, why? I would much rather have low orbit planetary dog fights then walking around..... booooring. I would even be interested in a star wars like turret gunner, you have to point and shoot while someone else is piloting.
Dude, plain and simple, upgrade your computer. Seriously. My computer has no problem at all running 2 accounts with Eve settings all set to high with Captains Quarters active. And it's not even a high end gaming computer.
Obviously you missed this statement in the OP:
Quote:So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
All it takes is a little bit of imagination to envision the game play possibilities that could be added to Eve. Eve Online is advertized by CCP as a MMORPG Science Fiction Simulator, not a space ship simulator. CCP has stated time and time again that their vision has always been from the very start to make Eve a Science Fiction Virtual Reality. WiS content is the 'Final Frontier' to achieve CCP's vision.
Your statement denotes a very limited imagination as well as a closed minded viewpoint: Quote:They will spend so much time and effort for essentially something that has nothing to do with eve online but more with barbies playhouse, filled with carebears ..... maybe we can have caldari fashion shows or amarr golden awards shows for best dressed.
LOL, seems Anti-WiS posters always use the same terminology, probably due to reading the same newsletter. Try being creative and come up with another term, something like 'Characters On Catwalk'. Oh right, that would require using your imagination. Anyway, this thread is filled with lot's of various ideas for WiS game play content and if you had bothered to read it, would have seen it's a lot more than just 'Avatars On Parade'.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.18 19:37:00 -
[3302] - Quote
cyndrogen wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler Dude Mass Effect! Relax! WIS why? so you can look at...... other avatars that will slow your machine down to a crawl? They will spend so much time and effort for essentially something that has nothing to do with eve online but more with barbies playhouse, filled with carebears ..... maybe we can have caldari fashion shows or amarr golden awards shows for best dressed. seriously, why? I would much rather have low orbit planetary dog fights then walking around..... booooring. I would even be interested in a star wars like turret gunner, you have to point and shoot while someone else is piloting.
barbie? lol didn,t heard that before
low orbit flight? interesting pls make a post in feature and ideas section or just dump that idea on GD
turret gunner? on what ship? I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.19 04:05:00 -
[3303] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Trinity is used for space. Enlightenment Engine is used for WoD and WiS. Avatar and indor graphic tech is developed for WoD using the Enlightenment Engine and then is applied for CQ too. Carbon is just marketing name for all tech CCP have developed. And how you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST... There is only CCP - the development studio. They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money. All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game. Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way. Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead. You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then. You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time. There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen. Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech? Why you want EVE dead? And many ppl like WiS. Many ppl want WiS. Many ppl need WiS to play EVE. So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever? But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.) But... Well... thats impossible. If you dont grow, you die. Law of the stronger. (its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.) p.s. I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS. I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk. Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again. Edit: And about that OP is only for WiS here... LOL... You ppl that are against WiS are minority, not us. This is one part of what i am trying so say to people, but some people just dont want to listen anything thats not theirs opinion. just when i was about to run out of trollpacitor, you had to post something like this.
Just quoting logical thought that i agree with. And if you don't know what logic is, well, i am sorry for you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.19 04:36:00 -
[3304] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=W0M4QUUsG1E One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Jita Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.02.19 14:20:00 -
[3305] - Quote
Eve best trailer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mlVuLs_Nw
When ? |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.02.19 18:27:00 -
[3306] - Quote
"Uploaded by CCPGAMES on Mar 26, 2011"
Oh wait... you think that's ever going to actually happen in game? |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2012.02.19 18:51:00 -
[3307] - Quote
Having just come back to EVE after a few months' break, I must say my racial CQ is nice, and it's all optimized beautifully, and you can r-click on your ship and all - plus you have a button to switch betwen CQ and Hangar (ALL OF WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN RIGHT FROM THE START Grrrrr).
But walking around it made me feel a bit wistful (see what I did there? ).
CCP, I sincerely applaud your revitalization of commitment to FiS, it's exactly what the game needed and needs; but don't completely forget WiS.
It really would add a new dimension to the game to be able, as an immortal space pilot, to interact with other immortal space pilots in avatar form as well as spaceship form.
Maybe a year or so down the line? Crossing fingers.
Of course what would be really impressive and satisfactory is if you could increment both FiS and WiS concurrently, without displeasing anyone, but maybe that's just too much to hope for |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.19 21:13:00 -
[3308] - Quote
Yeah, very good video, caused quite a few players to get all bent and pissed about the scene where the ship does mass extermination of the ground forces.
Shortly afterwards, CCP then released this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hvujo7_Iqw&feature=related
Excellent reversal of destructive power.
Those videos were mainly set up to attract console players to DUST514. I believe the DUST514 scenes are a good representation of DUST514 game play content and visual graphics.
As for the Eve Online Avatar action in the space stations, if we're lucky, we could see that within a couple years.
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Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.02.20 00:32:00 -
[3309] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Those videos were mainly set up to attract console players to DUST514. I believe the DUST514 scenes are a good representation of DUST514 game play content and visual graphics.
Really? What do you base that belief on?
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.20 00:49:00 -
[3310] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Those videos were mainly set up to attract console players to DUST514. I believe the DUST514 scenes are a good representation of DUST514 game play content and visual graphics.
Really? What do you base that belief on?
The dust514 scenes were made using the the ingame engine and graphics. If you look, you will notice the difference in graphic fidelity between the planet-side and in-space parts of the video.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.20 14:12:00 -
[3311] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:"Uploaded by CCPGAMES on Mar 26, 2011" Oh wait... you think that's ever going to actually happen in game?
I really hope so. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.02.20 23:31:00 -
[3312] - Quote
I recently posted in response to the Dev Blog on improving the new player experience and how WiS could help https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=829297#post829297
Check it out and let me know what you think I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.21 08:31:00 -
[3313] - Quote
Not bad at all. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.21 14:30:00 -
[3314] - Quote
pretty good Flamespar, frankly CCP should start handing out plexes for ideas. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:25:00 -
[3315] - Quote
I just want a regular flight suit dammit, not some dress blues.
-Vix |
Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:05:00 -
[3316] - Quote
Is this thread still open? I thought the sheer tedium of the subject would of killed it of. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:17:00 -
[3317] - Quote
Ann133566 wrote:Is this thread still open? I thought the sheer tedium of the subject would of killed it of. Beats shooting at statues all day... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.21 19:17:00 -
[3318] - Quote
dunno haters keep posting white knights keeps responding I dunno why.
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:05:00 -
[3319] - Quote
Why are we here? Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
45
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:30:00 -
[3320] - Quote
Loomey wrote:if they put walking in stations i wanna see it where you cant access your ship from your room and you can be like shanked in the hallway and lose your clone getting to your ship.
I think there should be a way to get into another capsuleer's quarters and board their ship and take them out. It would be illegal of course, but there should be enough time to get in and get the job done before CONCORD steps in. It goes against the spirit of EVE to have complete safety anywhere. Relative safety is supposed to be the only safety available. Also, there should be a way to navigate the halls and the rest of the station environment without loading the crippling graphics. Like a map overview mode where you have full functionality but everything looks like lines and icons instead of 3D models. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:38:00 -
[3321] - Quote
too much greifing, must balance greifing with non greifing.
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Lt Angus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:58:00 -
[3322] - Quote
omg why did i read all of that |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:14:00 -
[3323] - Quote
Lt Angus wrote:omg why did i read all of that
I would like to award you the medal of:
Awesome Thread Reading
for that major accomplishment!
Issler
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:27:00 -
[3324] - Quote
Lt Angus wrote:omg why did i read all of that
bc you like us? nah can,t be........
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Vladimir Plinnikov
Plinnikov Family Holdings
8
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:49:00 -
[3325] - Quote
I looked at Eve back when it was first released and passed simply because it didn't seem so much as a "sci fi opus/simulator" as I was looking for. I didn't really want to be some lame guy in a smelly pod, I wanted to command a freakin spaceship, walk across the bridge and shout orders while engines burned and blasters discharged, manage and train my crew, perform damage control on the fly. Si I moved on and forgot about it. I subbed to Eve and brought a few friends with me when I heard about Incarna, I thought it would be the beginning of really opening up a true sci fi universe and I couldn't wait to see what it contained. since then I really...
Can't say I haven't enjoyed my time in Eve so far because I have.
Can't say I'm going to unsub because all I got was a 15x15 room with a balcony, I'm still holding out for that true sci fi universe experience. Although I will ask to forgo the FPS blast em in the face for lols experience.
Can't say I'm awesome at pew pew because I'm not (Ironically I would be much better at a blast em in the face for lols experience based on the other games I play, but then I have other games for that. Leave that to them).
I can definately say though that I do not want CCP to dump Incarna.
It was stated once that the developers wanted to create a living science fiction world. Give us that world. (and hats)
On a side note OP I thought I read somewhere that you were thinking of running for CSM7. Is this true? I failed to see you in the candidate thread. From what I've read I seem to agree with a lot of your ideas and would like to see someone else in CSM7 besides the 400 I want to kill you candidate choices. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:58:00 -
[3326] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=841914#post841914
CCP Guard wrote:Tyme Xandr wrote:I know I am the minority on this, and I hate to complain, but as much as a 'concentration in Space stuffs' is great for EVE Online (a spaceship oriented game) I was one of the (I suppose few?) players who were really excited for the WIS stuff. I figured when the game was refocused on the FIS content that the WIS content would still be slow trickle.
I see that this Inferno release is expanding on the CAC and possibly vanity store. I'm wondering if the WIS content is still being developed as I was very interested in:
- The booster/drug trade in bars/social rooms. - Social minigames for when I don't have it in me to grind another Caldari mission or am waiting for a fleet to be organized through my corp/alliance. - Space barbie.
I know while I may have been excited for these features, and may have been one of the few, was anyone else looking forward to this? And if a Dev is watching, is any of this still on the table? Does that table have a person around it by chance? There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread
Cant wait... And really hoping for good news for WiS. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:08:00 -
[3327] - Quote
Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:I looked at Eve back when it was first released and passed because it didn't seem so much as a "sci fi opus/simulator" as I was looking for. I didn't want to be some lame guy in a smelly pod, I wanted to command a freakin spaceship captain, walk across the bridge and shout orders, manage and train my crew, perform damage control on the fly. I subbed to Eve and brought a few friends with me when I heard about Incarna, I thought it would be the beginning of really opening up a true sci fi universe.
Can't say I haven't enjoyed my time in Eve so far because I have.
Can't say I'm going to unsub because all I got was a 15x15 room with a balcony.
Can't say I'm awesome at pew pew because I'm not
I can say though that I do not want CCP to dump Incarna.
It was stated once that the developers wanted to create a living science fiction world. Give us that world. (and hats)
On a side note OP I thought I read somewhere that you r thinking of running for CSM7. Is this true? I didn't see you in the CSM7 thread as being a candidate. From what I've read I seem to agree with a lot of your ideas and would like to see someone else in CSM7 besides the 400 I want to kill you candidate choices.
Thanks for asking about the CSM. I am a candidate (took a couple of days to sort out some paperwork). You should be able to find me in the candidate list now.
Issler |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:21:00 -
[3328] - Quote
I just had to back off all of my bets on tommarow's dev blog after what soki informed me this morning, either way should be interesting.
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:45:00 -
[3329] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:I just had to back off all of my bets on tommarow's dev blog after what soki informed me this morning, either way should be interesting.
Sorry, but, what??? |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:48:00 -
[3330] - Quote
Dev Blog: The Future of Avatar Based Gameplay by CCP t0rfifrans
"Well now, we retreat to our cave and continue coding, crafting and designing. YouGÇÖll read more about the project in a future issue of EON, and weGÇÖll be sure to keep you posted as the project progresses. ThereGÇÖs a lot of engineering and game design issues that need to be resolved. We have our work cut out for us. But hey, this is what we love doing! " |
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Vladimir Plinnikov
Plinnikov Family Holdings
8
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:58:00 -
[3331] - Quote
Razin wrote:Dev Blog: The Future of Avatar Based Gameplay by CCP t0rfifrans"Well now, we retreat to our cave and continue coding, crafting and designing. YouGÇÖll read more about the project in a future issue of EON, and weGÇÖll be sure to keep you posted as the project progresses. ThereGÇÖs a lot of engineering and game design issues that need to be resolved. We have our work cut out for us. But hey, this is what we love doing! "
The date on that dev blog is 2006. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:05:00 -
[3332] - Quote
2018 Ambulation here we come! lol
Soki is an intel net group I work for in Eve, they 'hear' things. They also play the high sec game a bit too good thanks to character sales. They just simply told me that my assumptions what the blog tommarow is going to be about was wrong so its going to be something I haven't expected.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:14:00 -
[3333] - Quote
Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:Razin wrote:Dev Blog: The Future of Avatar Based Gameplay by CCP t0rfifrans"Well now, we retreat to our cave and continue coding, crafting and designing. YouGÇÖll read more about the project in a future issue of EON, and weGÇÖll be sure to keep you posted as the project progresses. ThereGÇÖs a lot of engineering and game design issues that need to be resolved. We have our work cut out for us. But hey, this is what we love doing! " The date on that dev blog is 2006. Mind like a steel trap. |
Pihls XIIX
7
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:23:00 -
[3334] - Quote
I want WiS 'Walk in stations'
I been playing eve and beta testing eve online. even at that stage it was talk about 3D chars and be able to walk in stations by dev /ccp.
I been around from the start I been doing 'pew pew' also called pvp.
being mining industrial running poses been in 00 space 'been doing Ps' been doing all yo can do in eve
I been promoting eve online as the best mmorpg out there best pvp best mmorpg corp and well dragged people in eve online from the start.
after being in eve from the start Walk in stations was the thing that would inspire me to continue playing eve
set upp my own bar, shop having npc merchants be able to get my self a nice looking office for my corp.
Now those I promoted eve over the years are now leaving eve ...
they are those people that build your pew pew ships those who you say go f''''............... when they say they want WiS.
They are those people that are mining soo its minerals to build your ships for your pew pew ships all from frigates to capital ships.
Before in eve it wasnt soo you could open the market to buy a ship becouse no one was there to build it as the market are player driven also ships producing are player driven.
So when you tell those who wanted WiS go f '' .... you are then ruin your pvp pew pew game
becouse in eve all the ships are player build not by pew pew people without us
yo maybe need to ask ccp to start build your ships ??
Think it's not illegal yet.
'' http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=401 Get me WiS 'Walk in Stations' CCP!The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP pre viewed Ambulation back in 2006.EvE is not about PvP. EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP! Open the door!!! |
Pihls XIIX
7
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:24:00 -
[3335] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
I agree 100% Get me WiS 'Walk in Stations' CCP!The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP pre viewed Ambulation back in 2006.EvE is not about PvP. EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP! Open the door!!! |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:33:00 -
[3336] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:2018 Ambulation here we come! lol
Soki is an intel net group I work for in Eve, they 'hear' things. They also play the high sec game a bit too good thanks to character sales. They just simply told me that my assumptions what the blog tommarow is going to be about was wrong so its going to be something I haven't expected.
and... Is it good or bad for WiS? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:34:00 -
[3337] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:2018 Ambulation here we come! lol
Soki is an intel net group I work for in Eve, they 'hear' things. They also play the high sec game a bit too good thanks to character sales. They just simply told me that my assumptions what the blog tommarow is going to be about was wrong so its going to be something I haven't expected.
And your expectations were...? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:48:00 -
[3338] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=841914#post841914 CCP Guard wrote:Tyme Xandr wrote:I know I am the minority on this, and I hate to complain, but as much as a 'concentration in Space stuffs' is great for EVE Online (a spaceship oriented game) I was one of the (I suppose few?) players who were really excited for the WIS stuff. I figured when the game was refocused on the FIS content that the WIS content would still be slow trickle.
I see that this Inferno release is expanding on the CAC and possibly vanity store. I'm wondering if the WIS content is still being developed as I was very interested in:
- The booster/drug trade in bars/social rooms. - Social minigames for when I don't have it in me to grind another Caldari mission or am waiting for a fleet to be organized through my corp/alliance. - Space barbie.
I know while I may have been excited for these features, and may have been one of the few, was anyone else looking forward to this? And if a Dev is watching, is any of this still on the table? Does that table have a person around it by chance? There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread Cant wait... And really hoping for good news for WiS.
Cant wait for good news. |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:59:00 -
[3339] - Quote
If they do go further with station interaction and any kind of interaction with other players (like RPG games do) why would they develop Dust? Not to mention server and client resources usage ... Its better to be off.
Far as I can see, this community prefer PVP not PVE, so .... - what to develop further - classic western fights in station bar? Not that it wouldnt be nice, but it's more developer requirement and higher cost and more important (like in any game): more bugs ! Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.22 22:28:00 -
[3340] - Quote
Razin wrote:Dev Blog: The Future of Avatar Based Gameplay by CCP t0rfifrans"Well now, we retreat to our cave and continue coding, crafting and designing. YouGÇÖll read more about the project in a future issue of EON, and weGÇÖll be sure to keep you posted as the project progresses. ThereGÇÖs a lot of engineering and game design issues that need to be resolved. We have our work cut out for us. But hey, this is what we love doing! "
Don't do that to people that cant wait to read anything about WiS. I hoped for new good news when there 6 years old dev blog. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.22 22:55:00 -
[3341] - Quote
My guess (I feel like taking chances) is that we will get vague concepts on gameplay thingies they want to figure out (80% chance), a tiny bone in the shape of assets already ingame (NEx clothes from Sisi, 60% chance) and likely a hint of some minor accomplishment like limited CQ multiplayer with a basic set of animations (=emotes) by winter 2012 (10% chance).
Chances for something I don't come to expect are:
90% for assorted fluff 50% for something neutral <5% for something horrible 10% for something awesome
OK, it's done. Going to sleep, tomorrow will log in along the day to see how that devblog (and my guesses) went... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1225
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Posted - 2012.02.23 00:58:00 -
[3342] - Quote
Perhaps they've taken a 2nd look at their tongue in cheek proposal about genetically enhanced cyber mounts in gladiatorial area based combat.
At this point, I'd be willing to give it a chance. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.23 01:58:00 -
[3343] - Quote
what dev blog? the Inferno one? what are you guys talking about? i would like to see the latest pitch from used car salesmen t0rfifrans and Scott Craig. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.23 02:05:00 -
[3344] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:what dev blog? the Inferno one? what are you guys talking about? i would like to see the latest pitch from used car salesmen t0rfifrans and Scott Craig.
Craig? as in Craigs team arkansas?
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.23 02:25:00 -
[3345] - Quote
i mean Craig Scott aka CCP Flying Scotsman One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.23 04:56:00 -
[3346] - Quote
Scien Inkunen wrote:If they do go further with station interaction and any kind of interaction with other players (like RPG games do) why would they develop Dust? Not to mention server and client resources usage ... Its better to be off.
Far as I can see, this community prefer PVP not PVE, so .... - what to develop further - classic western fights in station bar? Not that it wouldnt be nice, but it's more developer requirement and higher cost and more important (like in any game): more bugs ! Dust514 is all about ground warfare which will eventually help control PI.
As for the community preferring PvP over PvE, please link stats.
Bugs will always be found whenever new content is introduced to this game. Mainly due to the fact that whenever something is changed or added, it affects the original game code that was developed and written a long time ago by Dev's who are probably no longer employed by CCP. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.23 05:20:00 -
[3347] - Quote
If they ever pvp in stations I want it underhanded style. Clever, indirect, and nefarious.
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.02.23 05:24:00 -
[3348] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:If they ever pvp in stations I want it underhanded style. Clever, indirect, and nefarious.
Yeah, I'd rather see Dust get some station excursions expac, than see us in perticular fighting in stations. We are what? The equivalent to gods, let the lemmings get wet. While they fight on the fourth floor i'm going to be in the lounge paying someone off while watching the amusement overhead. Hell could even have it depending on their progression they take out services etc. Sure we could get imaginative on how they get there. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.23 07:25:00 -
[3349] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Nova Fox wrote:If they ever pvp in stations I want it underhanded style. Clever, indirect, and nefarious. Yeah, I'd rather see Dust get some station excursions expac, than see us in perticular fighting in stations. We are what? The equivalent to gods, let the lemmings get wet. While they fight on the fourth floor i'm going to be in the lounge paying someone off while watching the amusement overhead. Hell could even have it depending on their progression they take out services etc. Sure we could get imaginative on how they get there.
I rather the dust bunnies fight on thier own barges than our stations. or at least the orbital elevators.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.23 07:39:00 -
[3350] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:(...)
Bugs will always be found whenever new content is introduced to this game. Mainly due to the fact that whenever something is changed or added, it affects the original game code that was developed and written a long time ago by Dev's who are probably no longer employed by CCP.
Add also that former employees have been spreading the word that CCP's policy towards documentation is that it is (or at least, was) "optional" and should be carried on outside of work hours and you get the picture on why they can never know when they are going to trigger a bug until they actually trigger it (or why they had to rebuild the whole UI engine prior to as much as changing the font).
Building new code on EVE's legacy code must be a thrilling experience, like software archeology.... trying to figure who did what for what reason and under what assumptions, with the occasional explosive trap that blows everything to bits for extra amusement. Undocumented Python code everywhere, now that's a ticket for serious fun... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.23 10:24:00 -
[3351] - Quote
I just saw this thread, thats made sticky in Features & Ideas forums: Captains Quarters... ideas, suggestions and enhancements
So i had to link it here - The WiS thread Something is rolling... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.23 11:33:00 -
[3352] - Quote
Thanks, always good to mention that thread every once in a while. I think on page 132 of this thread was when it was first mentioned.
#2640 Posted: 2012.01.18 07:53
Arcathra wrote:I have just startet a thread about the ideas, suggestions and possible enhancements of the CQ itself in the Features & Ideas forum. Maybe some of you like to contribute your own thoughts to it, I just startet to write some of my thoughts there. Would be nice if we could have a place where all ideas about that could be gathered and discussed. LinkMaybe someone else likes to make a thread about something different, like all ideas and suggestions related to the avatars itself?
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Vladimir Plinnikov
Plinnikov Family Holdings
8
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Posted - 2012.02.23 12:13:00 -
[3353] - Quote
Razin wrote:Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:Razin wrote:Dev Blog: The Future of Avatar Based Gameplay by CCP t0rfifrans"Well now, we retreat to our cave and continue coding, crafting and designing. YouGÇÖll read more about the project in a future issue of EON, and weGÇÖll be sure to keep you posted as the project progresses. ThereGÇÖs a lot of engineering and game design issues that need to be resolved. We have our work cut out for us. But hey, this is what we love doing! " The date on that dev blog is 2006. Mind like a steel trap.
I like to stay sharp. |
Shocky II
White Moon Academy Ultima Rati0
2
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Posted - 2012.02.23 12:57:00 -
[3354] - Quote
*Eagerly waiting for the Dev Blog*
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*refreshes his window every minute* |
Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's Stellar Economy Experts
11
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:09:00 -
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Just in case someone missed the latest dev blog:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3433
the part interesting for this threat:
We will be making some changes and additions to our avatar technology and many other parts of the game.
Sounds as if ccp didn't stop all development on WiS, which is fine with me. FiS is key to EvE, than adding some WiS would be great in my books.
ps.
Latest developer video showed a screen of the one art member working on something that looked like a station environment in my eyes. Not 100% on this though.
pps.
In the comment threat CCP Guard announced a WiS centered blog tomorrow
There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread Blink |
Eveliy
Coronize
21
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:33:00 -
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Mussaschi wrote:Just in case someone missed the latest dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3433the part interesting for this threat: We will be making some changes and additions to our avatar technology and many other parts of the game. Sounds as if ccp didn't stop all development on WiS, which is fine with me. FiS is key to EvE, than adding some WiS would be great in my books. ps. Latest developer video showed a screen of the one art member working on something that looked like a station environment in my eyes. Not 100% on this though. pps. In the comment threat CCP Guard announced a WiS centered blog tomorrow There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread Blink
Yea! Finally...I hope we do not have to remind them of that.
Would just be nice to get some sort of advanced avatar gameplay. I would not mind if it took more time than it did already. Still...although FiS is our game...everyone having a main character that does his business mostly on stations knows that it would be so nice to have something else to do than to check market orders...watch the ever recuring videos (although we're now officially allowed to plug our own .binks into the cache!) and tab out of game to do something more usefull.
Keeping my fingers crossed. |
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CCP RedDawn
C C P C C P Alliance
58
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:34:00 -
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New WiS dev blog is out and can be found here:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3430 Team Avatar |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:40:00 -
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tl;dr
CCP will be doing something with WIS someday.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
highonpop
Void.Tech BLACK-MARK
24
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:45:00 -
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Quote: interior of every ship, station, structure and city in the entire EVE Universe has been modeled
Interior of ships? You mean i can get leather interior in my ishkur?!?!?
By "City", I assume they are referring to Dust 514's planet based cities and structures. |
Havoc Teddy
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
1
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:53:00 -
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I know there are many loud pilots fiercely opposed to WiS, and it seems they got what they wanted.
I, however, found the devblog to be rather sad, cause from the moment i heard about the possiblitiy of WiS a few years back, i was a huge fan, and after captains quarters were introduced, i was even more eager to have full-fledged station and ship interriors (in my mind i already planned a restaurant chain :P ).
So i really hope you don't go too far with the "slow burn", cause i think there are many peope who really want WiS but don't really use the forums much (you know.. cause we are busy chillin in our captain quarters looking at the door and wondering when the atmosphere will finally be decontaminated!).
lg Havoc Teddy |
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Eveliy
Coronize
21
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:59:00 -
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Although I had not that great expectations I'm not even nearly satisfied.
I do understand that you've become more tied to reality now and I do fully embrace that.
But if I'm right on that you just steamrolled everything you had so far (and you have been spending a lot of resources on before you realized that you were five meters off the cliff) and got back to the drawing board now?
Okay, so you are back to brainstorming, mindmapping and gathering new ideas and basically say that you will most probably release some parts at some time in the far future? (Does anyone remember that sheme?)
Wouldn't it be possible to release something more on that or at least give us some status updates every now and then?
I would like to know what exactly is meant by stating that you will release parts of it before 'itGÇÖs all perfect and the interior of every ship, station, structure and city in the entire EVE Universe has been modeled'
Don't get me wrong...I'm not that sort of player that wants the rest of EVE development to be abondoned for WiS but seriously...EVE is already represented with WiS (Awakening trailer....anyone?) and advertised (avatars everywhere on eveonline.com) and everything is pushed back again...
Nah...I don't know...somehow I'm a bit upset that there's nothing more than promises whenever there's WiS involved. |
Lojik
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.02.23 16:02:00 -
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If they want the Captains quarters to matter, they should at least expand them a little, and add a window to real space. Wouldn't it be awesome to be able to look out at the enemy camping your station?
Or at least be able to see the "docking" area of the other people docked at the station? Not all, just the ones that are in that hangar (primarily corp. mates), assuming there are more of them inside the stations. The idea could be that if you have a corporate office, that could include a corporate hangar area. It would fit the mechanics of the game, with the existing corp. hangars you would generally need to be located near that.
First step though would be building the Corporate offices, using the as a common area. Then expand to including "video phones" between avatars when discussing deals. First one-on-one, then perhaps later a "video wall", like a giant mirror, but where the image in the "mirror" is the "reflection" of the other side of the video link. |
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CCP RedDawn
C C P C C P Alliance
58
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Posted - 2012.02.23 16:09:00 -
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@Havoc Teddy
Don't be too disheartened by the devblog. Although it may take a while to fully see new content regarding WiS, we are making sure that the wait is completely worthwhile rather then flinging out some fluff stuff in the near future with a short life span. We want to make sure that what you get is fun, exciting, replyable and ties in with the current FiS content.
Prototyping is the best way to go about that as we can iterate constantly by adding, removing, polishing and balancing the content as we go.
Along the way we will also be introducing CQ and Character Creator / Re-Customisation fixes and features, so it's not all doom and gloom.
Remember to keep the idea's coming and for anyone attending fanfest that's interested in WiS, come and join us at our roundtable for a chat. (and a beer afterwards)
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
791
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Posted - 2012.02.23 16:13:00 -
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To be perfectly honest, the idea that "a new player shouldn't be able to kill a veteran player with a spoon" (I believe that's pretty close to what was said by the devs) pretty much goes against the core philosophy of EVE. I mean, does anyone remember those roams that EVE Radio used to do? In rookie ships?
I'm going to say in the grand scheme of things, rookie ships have significantly less destructive power than the average household spoon.
The whole idea of EVE is that getting out of your pod is dangerous. You're immortal and invincible as long as you stay in that Jovian snotball, but all bets are off once you decant. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
791
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Posted - 2012.02.23 16:14:00 -
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CCP RedDawn wrote:Remember to keep the idea's coming and for anyone attending fanfest that's interested in WiS, come and join us at our roundtable for a chat. (and a beer afterwards)
Here's an idea: make all hairstyles and clothing options available to all races, to increase the customisation potential we can get out of our characters. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.23 16:26:00 -
[3366] - Quote
I'm not sure what we're supposed to get from that blog other than "it's being given minimal attention and we can't say what we will be introducing or when", so i'm kind of back to where i was 2 years ago when i started playing.
You say that originally the next stage in your plan was to implement a corp public area and we have already been told that you had multiple character working in a shared environment, so why isn't this something we can expect to see in the near future?
If it's because of technical reasons, why are you going overboard on avatar detail by adding tattoos and god knows what else? Don't get me wrong, the avatars look great and i know nothing a bout programming but if the detail is holding back the implementation of features, perhaps you should scale it back.
Frankly, i think you can prototype all you want but that content could still fail when released. Release the corp area and then ask for feedback on what we would like to see added to that area and move on from there. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.23 16:59:00 -
[3367] - Quote
CCP RedDawn wrote:@Havoc Teddy Don't be too disheartened by the devblog. Although it may take a while to fully see new content regarding WiS, we are making sure that the wait is completely worthwhile rather then flinging out some fluff stuff in the near future with a short life span. We want to make sure that what you get is fun, exciting, replyable and ties in with the current FiS content. Prototyping is the best way to go about that as we can iterate constantly by adding, removing, polishing and balancing the content as we go. Along the way we will also be introducing CQ and Character Creator / Re-Customisation fixes and features, so it's not all doom and gloom. Remember to keep the idea's coming and for anyone attending fanfest that's interested in WiS, come and join us at our roundtable for a chat. (and a beer afterwards)
So what content are you thinking off Team Avatar ? You asked the community to put in ideas in this thread and in the Features and Ideas section of this forum. So any ideas posted on these forums liked by TA?
What worries me a bit ,is that nobody can tell when a single extra room like a corp meeting room is possible
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
41
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:01:00 -
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I like the idea of WiS. I'm still looking forward to it.
But as others already stated:
1) Please do not put WiS over FiS 2) Give WiS some sense/content.
And if you are looking for suggestions for the character creator: What about the possibility to save permanent a certain character design? This opens up the posibility to spent time on creating an avatar, and continue it the other days. Or in order to create same-looking chars on different accounts. People already try that.
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Red Teufel
Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES
48
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:15:00 -
[3369] - Quote
WiS has allot of potential. however the way CCP implemented it, is what killed it. It has been something players wanted since 2003. it's 2012 now and all we got was a prison cell. I say don't abandon it, make it more relevant. |
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CCP RedDawn
C C P C C P Alliance
58
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:19:00 -
[3370] - Quote
@oldbutfeelingyoung
In regards to the actual WiS content planned I am not at the liberty to say, however more information on WiS will come as we continue onwards through development. As stated in the blog "we will keep you updated with our progress and will share things we think are appropriate."
Many of the ideas in this huge thread have been liked and discussed further by us.
Corp meeting rooms are one of the many ideas with gravitas, however setting a date on specific content is simply unfeasible at this time.
@Gerald Taric 1) Please do not put WiS over FiS
Team Avatar is a WiS slow burn team and the only team on WiS. All the other gameplay teams are working on FiS.
2) Give WiS some sense/content.
That's the plan. Team Avatar |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
791
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:26:00 -
[3371] - Quote
CCP RedDawn wrote:In regards to the actual WiS content planned I am not at the liberty to say
I feel that this is a part of the problem. We don't really know what to expect, and thus we have to indulge in the sort of baseless speculation you see in every WiS thread on this forum - and we can't really give feedback on ideas that we haven't heard yet. I know that CCP is trying to tighten up its expectation management, but seriously guy, throw us a bone here. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:27:00 -
[3372] - Quote
CCP RedDawn wrote:@oldbutfeelingyoung
Corp meeting rooms are one of the many ideas with gravitas, however setting a date on specific content is simply unfeasible at this time.
In that case, don't bother stringing us along for another 4 years with prick teasing devblogs, come back when you have some concrete information. No offence intended. |
Yuki 0nna
The White Rose Conventicle
28
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:29:00 -
[3373] - Quote
If CCP thinks it "listened to the community" and that community said no WiS, CCP was listening only to the millstone around its own neck.
Broaden the notion "community" to the full player base, to include players NOT represented by a nullsec CSM or actively screaming at CCP and each other on these forums.
Broaden the notion of "community" to include all those gaming SciFi fans who would join the player base if only they could identify their participation with human bodies not just hunks of space metal.
The deep attraction of the SciFi fantasy as always been "manned space flight."
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Alarion Detheron
Caldari Navy Task Force 62 Rieos Coalition
2
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:30:00 -
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Would definitely love to see more WiS. Sad to see that the player-run establishments might not see the light of day after all. |
Morgan North
The Wild Bunch Electus Matari
61
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:33:00 -
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Wht I'd like to see in Incarna-related features:
1. Full availability of all racial traits to all characters, regardless of race. This implies hairs, tatoos etc. There has been quite a lot of intermingling of all four major races for minmatar tatoos to be available outside the actual race, despite the fact only minmatar engage in the acivation ritual, if I recall correctly. Regardless, nothing stops a gallente to marry a minmatar and have a baby that will bear the icon.
2. Gloves. Really, thats seriously lacking.
3. Helmets and visual gubbins that don't cost anything to put on. Like the character from your story that represents himself by a fully mechanised plugged-in suit. We want that, really. The more the merrier. Don't forget an eyepatch.
4. Bionic parts. Don't restrict these to "either you got your left leg replaced, or your right leg". Make it fully costumizeable. Up to having a wooden leg for giggles. To complement the eyepatch of course.
5. Ok, now to something a wee bit more serious and complicated:
5.1. Incarna still feels lonely. Space doesn't when your in a fleet. Allow for corporations to "rent" a room at a station. Stations have a limited number of rooms thusly enabling only a few corporations to actually "live" there. Either that, or link it the Corporation Headquarters. In this room, and only in this room, you can look at other people's avatars and sit around and play pretend. Information for this is minimal, since its basically like a FPS.
5.2. Allow for emotes to activly make your character do things. like smoking, thumping his feet, sit on the floor, whatever. Think of it as preparation for World of Darkness, since, you know, people -will- want to do those "silly" things.
5.3. Use the previous system t allow for invitations for a player to sit in your quarters. Everything else is... Well, up to the emote and players.
5.4. Make it fun for roleplayers, since they'll be the ones to probably use it far more often.
5.5. Probably do some sort of animation that doesn't make it look like your character left the pod instantly all dressed and ready to go. We might forget that the pods are actually filled in goo, and that, you know, your guy is butt-naked, except maybe by having a flight-suit or some underpants.
6. Create an animation that makes it look like your camera drone is flying into the ship hull everytime you undock and dock, so that it stops feeling like a game.
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:34:00 -
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Alarion Detheron wrote:Would definitely love to see more WiS. Sad to see that the player-run establishments might not see the light of day after all.
no NO No nOooo... i want establishments!!!! Its so great things: stores, bars, clubs... that's what RPG is all about and because what you feel like at home. And its indy stuff as well...
Please don't kill it... |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:43:00 -
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it's an ok dev blog, at least it shows the correct direction, mentions "gameplay", "contributing to the ecology of greater EVE universe". do keep these dev blogs coming, at least once every 6 months. wis needs more than sense/ content it needs purpose.
stop whining about the corp room, even if it is perfect it is still useless as in dudes emoting each other. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.23 18:56:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:it's an ok dev blog, at least it shows the correct direction, mentions "gameplay", "contributing to the ecology of greater EVE universe". do keep these dev blogs coming, at least once every 6 months. wis needs more than sense/ content it needs purpose.
stop whining about the corp room, even if it is perfect it is still useless as in dudes emoting each other.
hi taiwanistan , i emote you !!!!!!! oowww sorry ,i salute you!!!!!!!! I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:02:00 -
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Well, I made a thread that got linked in a dev blog! Wow! I'm not worthy!
Now on to the reality. Nothing I saw in the dev blog gave me much hope of seeing anything interesting in my Eve lifetime given how many years have gone by with no actual content.
It makes me sad the dev blog leads with sleeve tattoos as if that is what keeps us from loving WiS. Honestly, that smacks of Incarna/NeX thinking that got us to this fail point.
Also mentioning scrapping establishments which was hugely supported and continuing with the "change in focus" line makes me think CCP is drinking the FiS is all that really matters koolaide.
Team Bipedal, you need to do better than that blog. Communications is a start, but this really under-delivered.
That we even had to wait for that information free "setting the stage for nothing meaningful" ambulation non-content "nothing soon" dev-blog should make us all ask what did CCP think our reaction to the blog should be?
Screw the tattoos, open the door CCP!!!
And soon!!!
Issler |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:27:00 -
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CCP RedDawn wrote:@oldbutfeelingyoung
In regards to the actual WiS content planned I am not at the liberty to say, however more information on WiS will come as we continue onwards through development. As stated in the blog "we will keep you updated with our progress and will share things we think are appropriate."
Many of the ideas in this huge thread have been liked and discussed further by us.
Corp meeting rooms are one of the many ideas with gravitas, however setting a date on specific content is simply unfeasible at this time.
i don,t get it .
The first hint of TA was from ccp Guard
CCP Guard wrote:To add a little to what I wrote yesterday. I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy. The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn-¦t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry) Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least. If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me
You guys don,t tell poor Guard the facts ?
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:32:00 -
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Shared rooms, sooner rather than later.
The blog stated pretty much what I expected it to, and I was happy to see that they will release content as it is ready. The EVE universe we have today wasn't released on day one, so it makes sense. Start with shared areas and add rooms/features over time.
The sooner we can share areas, the sooner the NEX store will get some real use, and hopefully draw in some more money to improve on EVE.
It's not about WiS vs FiS, its about EVE. Adding to WiS adds to EVE The more immersive this game becomes the better it becomes.
Being stuck in a ship ALL the time is a drag, being alone in the CQ is worse. |
Aly Vale
BiosHub Darkmatter Initiative
3
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:36:00 -
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I'm sure I'll be flammed all over for saying this, however I think WiS is a great idea, but that the lack of official planned features killed it. What you need to do is add station-side player interaction such as gambling or ways to waste time when cooped up in stations for whatever reason. |
Kelsi Darr
Orbital Express LTD Ocularis Inferno
6
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:18:00 -
[3383] - Quote
So many tasty, tasty tears. And more from the Anti-Barbie crowd than the Pro-Barbie crowd. Delicious! I LOVE THIS GAME!
What do I want? 1) I want the focus to be on FIS, with limited WiS support. 2) I want enough Avatar gameplay to suck DUST 514 players into a starship. 3) I want to keep those players in EVE. |
Kelsi Darr
Orbital Express LTD Ocularis Inferno
6
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:28:00 -
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Kelsi Darr wrote:What do I want? 1) I want the focus to be on FIS, with limited WiS support. 2) I want enough Avatar gameplay to suck DUST 514 players into a starship. 3) I want to keep those players in EVE.
Also -- Was it in Massively, TenTonHammer or elsewhere that I saw an idea on a F2P EVE variation -- One where non-subscription players would be limited to non-Empyrean (i.e., sluggish non-pod) frigates? THAT, along with other stuff to pull in the DUST 514 players, would also rock.
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Epsilon Eridanni
Blue Nova Republic Point of Dispute
5
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:38:00 -
[3385] - Quote
I have a few friends who are wow players but also like Eve, but their main problem with it is that your stuck in the ship all the time. Being able to walk in stations would make Eve much more attractive for gamers. It makes the game more social, and can give people more things to do on their down time. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1027
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:38:00 -
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Ambulation is one of the features of EVE I've been waiting for since I started playing.
At this point, I would like to see something simple: meeting spaces where we can just hang out in "person" and talk. This would be more than enough for the RPers amongst us, with the rest of the acting being done through imagination and emotes: "/me puts the drink down and gives Frank an incredulous stare". Ideally we'd be able to talk to each other using voice fonts in the invisible "spatial" channel, and further awesomeness would be present if the voice could be placed in 3D space corresponding with avatar location.
Having the ability for certain emotes to translate to avatar action or posture would be awesome. Set my mood to happy, I'll start bouncing along as I walk, head raised, shoulders square. Set my mood to depressed, my shoulders slump, I look at the ground, and drag my feet instead of lifting them when I walk.
There doesn't need to be anything fancy about "establishments" further than being a room that I rent from a limited set of rooms in the station. Later on we should be able to add decorations (and of course, exotic/tribal/interpretive dancers who will dance for ISK or Aurum).
For me, ambulation will be "Minimal Functional Product" when I can see other avatars in the same space, use voice fonts for acting to each other and have some level of animated emote system in place. And heck, the ability to "whisper" to each other, so this small huddle of people can conspire to play a trick on that stiff over there (i.e.: spatial conversation would have real-world inverse square law applied to audio signal strength).
Other features like contraband trading and gambling can come later (i.e.: interaction with the environment isn't so important from my perspective).
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Vae Abeo
EVE University Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2012.02.23 21:03:00 -
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Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Walking in Stations is a huge task and one which really hadn't been thought out properly.
We're talking stations of over 20 km in size. How are we going to walk around that lot? What are we going to do in there? In fact, what is in all those thousands of miles of corridors and how are we going to interact?
I've seen other games where we've had taverns in towns where players could meet and, always, they're empty. So, if we're wanting an Eve version of Mallory's Bar (The Gap) or that bar from Total Recall then we're going to have to have something worth our while going around walking in stations.
When I was playing other games I never once saw the point of towns or cities where we could meet other players. Not once did I say I'll spend the evening playing BadgerQuest or whatever and spend the time sitting around in a town. And neither did I once run into any players who were hanging around like extras in Westerns lounging around on the boardwalks.
In every MMO that I have played, players would come into town - because they had to - get whatever it was they had to have done done as fast as they could - and then beetle off to do some whatever they did out of the towns.
So, please tell me, and I mean this most sincerely, what possibly could CCP do to make walking in stations interesting or purposeful to the majority of players? I have, at the moment no interest in WiS and I can't see me every having any interest in doing so. CCP would have to pull a massive rabbit out of a hat to make me interested. And if they tried to force us to leave the pod to find an agent/repairshop/refinery then the recent rage would be nothing compared to that storm.
Walking In Stations/ It's not going to work.
This needed bumped Id be much happier if ccp implemented a "chat poker" system instead, or you know other ways to interact with people besides chat/splosions. WiS could be cool if you could get everyone in New Eden together (jita lagfest) or didnt have 12 thousand stations.. oh wait... The only implementation I can see is perhaps single player? since i doubt people will truly use "clubs" or "bars" and logistically it may be too much to integrate everything smoothly. How this didnt come up in development is beyond me, even in 2006 (http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=401). ~5 years and were chugging along...Really.
CCP i love your game, you have a great community which i like being a part of but please get realistic. There are some items that need work not the least of which is the UI or FiS or game mechanics changes. I dont mean to be melancholy but i feel obligated to share feedback since thats what your PR is campaigning on now. I have hight hopes for Eve and id very much like to be a part of it but im sorry i dont see WiS really needing to be much more than it is now when you could have resources directed towards things players may actually use.
TL:DR WiS is an awesome idea but creating the star wars cantina vibe is probably not how players will use it(unless you majorly change the game) Besides given the scope of Eve it would suck to implement.
Please direct your resources into the UI which unlike WiS Everyone will see ALL the time.
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Shin Dari
Covert Brigade
35
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Posted - 2012.02.23 21:10:00 -
[3388] - Quote
Here are some ideas:
1. Have missions which require players to extract item/persons from pirate stations (shooter mode).
2. Corp rooms must have a purpose, please include tools for corps to plan operations with and a briefing room to explain the operation to others. It would also be nice if the briefing room can double as a theater.
3. Create WiS shops. Those would allow players to trade without having to pay fees or taxes, but at the cost that both buyer and seller need to be online in the store to make the trade. |
boeboe joe
Sons Of Sins and Shadow
8
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Posted - 2012.02.23 21:34:00 -
[3389] - Quote
I am one of the few who eagerly await the next WiS feature / development, I take pride in this. I agree with the post from Havoc Teddy, and CCP RedDawn's reply. The "slow burn" I think is a very nice mental comfort to us WiS fans.
CCP RedDawn wrote:@Havoc Teddy Don't be too disheartened by the devblog. Although it may take a while to fully see new content regarding WiS, we are making sure that the wait is completely worthwhile rather then flinging out some fluff stuff in the near future with a short life span. We want to make sure that what you get is fun, exciting, replyable and ties in with the current FiS content. Prototyping is the best way to go about that as we can iterate constantly by adding, removing, polishing and balancing the content as we go. Along the way we will also be introducing CQ and Character Creator / Re-Customisation fixes and features, so it's not all doom and gloom.
Also, regarding the ideas feedback for you developers. I would suggest a "WiS: deadspace complex" feature where when the pilot has finished destroying all ships; he/she docks in one of those "habitation modules" and seeks and individual or special item. But to make it interesting involve puzzles, mental-like challenges fit for a capsuleer, that only they can perform in person. I would strongly suggest CCP avoid "Capsuleer: Deathmatch" kind of WiS challenges, but an assassination or two I think would be fitting to our cold and systematic minds.
I do believe however, that Moonbase: Alpha has some good inspiration for WiS stuff.....
If anyone knows of an idea forum post about this let me know, otherwise feel free to delve more into this and discuss in a more detailed thread, but please mention me if you would. |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.02.23 21:50:00 -
[3390] - Quote
Thank you for the blog CCP. I agree taking a step back and trying to figure what we as players want to have in ambulation is important.
Objectives and tasks that force players to interact in competitive environment is the back bone of Eve Online... |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:38:00 -
[3391] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Well, I made a thread that got linked in a dev blog! Wow! I'm not worthy! Now on to the reality. Nothing I saw in the dev blog gave me much hope of seeing anything interesting in my Eve lifetime given how many years have gone by with no actual content. It makes me sad the dev blog leads with sleeve tattoos as if that is what keeps us from loving WiS. Honestly, that smacks of Incarna/NeX thinking that got us to this fail point. Also mentioning scrapping establishments which was hugely supported and continuing with the "change in focus" line makes me think CCP is drinking the FiS is all that really matters koolaide. Team Bipedal, you need to do better than that blog. Communications is a start, but this really under-delivered. That we even had to wait for that information free "setting the stage for nothing meaningful" ambulation non-content "nothing soon" dev-blog should make us all ask what did CCP think our reaction to the blog should be? Screw the tattoos, open the door CCP!!! And soon!!! Issler
Apparently all who waited for WiS as a source of alternate gameplay just will have to wait for a couple years... maybe then it's going to be worth resubbing to EVE.
Meanwhile, as my signature used to say... without no WiS, no new solo content, no new causal content, no hisec endgame... I will not be paying for this game. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
72
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:40:00 -
[3392] - Quote
before anything... Falow the last CSM meeting minutes... and also make that cloak Hunter ship! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:45:00 -
[3393] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Apparently all who waited for WiS as a source of alternate gameplay just will have to wait for a couple years... maybe then it's going to be worth resubbing to EVE.
Meanwhile, as my signature used to say... without no WiS, no new solo content, no new causal content, no hisec endgame... I will not be paying for this game.
Perchance could your stuffs find their way into my hanger then? I honestly don't think you will see the kind of game-play you are expecting from WIS and CCP for many more years.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ruzyho
Solar Horizon Directive
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:59:00 -
[3394] - Quote
bornaa wrote:Morganta wrote:2 out of 10 for Wis
a clear majority 20%.... look at likes OP got... some ppl dont want to fight with ppl that just know to say "go back to wow" so they only like... i would like WiS too but I do not like the way CCP started to implement it the first time... to CCP: less errors with customer relations! i agree wis would be cool, but they still need to focus on the ui and mechanics, once they get fis down then they can move onto wis |
Ruzyho
Solar Horizon Directive
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:02:00 -
[3395] - Quote
[/quote]
Also, regarding the ideas feedback for you developers. I would suggest a "WiS: deadspace complex" feature where when the pilot has finished destroying all ships; he/she docks in one of those "habitation modules" and seeks and individual or special item. But to make it interesting involve puzzles, mental-like challenges fit for a capsuleer, that only they can perform in person. I would strongly suggest CCP avoid "Capsuleer: Deathmatch" kind of WiS challenges, but an assassination or two I think would be fitting to our cold and systematic minds.
I do believe however, that Moonbase: Alpha has some good inspiration for WiS stuff.....
If anyone knows of an idea forum post about this let me know, otherwise feel free to delve more into this and discuss in a more detailed thread, but please mention me if you would. [/quote] nice idea but might want to give ccp 10 years...
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Tiimbre Iceheart
Wreckage Reclamation Enforcement Consortium
1
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:07:00 -
[3396] - Quote
A lot of people are arguing against WiS because they say players only FiS and fight. This is very inaccurate. I know of a lot of players that play market related EVE and almost never leave the station. I personally would like the ability to "sit at a bar" while in station. Maybe while waiting for a fleet to form or while talking to corp mates or contract surfing. I think WiS could be an extremely amazing addition to the game, especially if released properly. I don't want FiS to be abandoned by any means, that is the integral part of the game that I enjoy most. I just wouldn't mind more. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:09:00 -
[3397] - Quote
I think the contents of that devblog do a great deal to clarify the "future" of WiS. |
puppetier
Magnus Imperium Aerodyne Collective
1
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:30:00 -
[3398] - Quote
To me it would seem that "physical form" interaction is all about communication and information. If I was to imagine some useful stuff for WiS I think it might involve something like the following..
Lets consider the context, you're inside a big f-n space station.. most sci-fi stuff I've been exposed to formulates; the bigger you are = the more badass your situational awareness is. Its a big station, likely with massive communication arrays, system sensors, radars, etc. We've all see the trailers for Dust where you have a group of people strategizing on massive displays: war-tables.
Lets suppose your corporation has an office in a station. You buy/build/rent a war-room. These war-rooms have these group strategic war-tables. Think of it as like a meta-logistic ship, being the station - they need to be manned by corp/alliance players. Skills dictate how effectively the reach/range of the sensors are or something, or based on what you/your corporation can afford. This gives you active radar information of the system and/or nearby systems to be able to monitor enemies and allies. You get a free-form drawing board to cooperatively conceptualize an attack strategy and then have that compile into some sort of briefing that can be broadcast to a fleet. Maybe with active/real-time updates. Players in space open a system map and can see attack timings, locations, flight paths, maybe even get a tactical information link to a station to get real-time locations of enemies in the system.
Make it so that others in the station can sabotage your corps tactical information systems/links in the stations, or even hack their frequencies to give them mis-information.
Basically imagine the station as one big logistic ship that is manned by a handful of high level corp/alliance players: commanders. They sit in the war-room and debate strategy at a very high level. Think the next level above the Fleet commander. Skill books could include how many fleets you can manage, the system reach/range of your tactical sensors and communications, encryption/security quality to resist sabotage. Corp/alliance wealth can dictate how big your war-room is, how many "pilots (commanders)" can be in attendance, quality/quantity or sensors (think types, I'm seeing 4 sensor array types for detecting racial ships), quality/quantity of firewalls/security etc.
The bars and stuff proposed so far seem more secondary and there only to manage downtime, but having war-rooms gives WiS a primary objective and something, in my opinion, that would fit nicely on top of what already exists. Sure something like this would give an advantage, but having some sort of sabotage mechanic to balance it out would be ideal. Nothing like coming in system with a crack squad of blackops to deploy decoy probes that look like a fleet titans ;)
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Dasquirrel715
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
17
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:53:00 -
[3399] - Quote
I want WiS but not as a half assed expansion that is a testbed for World of Darkness. Give me walking in stations like we saw in this.
As for features, just let me open a bar and sell my space buddies virtual booze to get virtually drunk off of to go drunkenly explode virtual spaceships.
Why should bars be a feature of walking in stations:
1. Bars are social establishments 2. Bars are a venue for all sorts of commerce, such as drugs(boosters) 3. Bars are great places to add small minigames, such as gambling, sports betting(betting on the alliance tournaments) or even an EoH Poker station 4. Lore wise, bars and alcohol have been a fixture of humanity for thousands of years. 5. Everybody likes bars. |
Jericho Wolf
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:14:00 -
[3400] - Quote
I definately support WiS and the whole new perspective of eve it will provide. Anyone not wanting wis is just narrow minded and selfish worried that all their pew pew targets will vanish inside a station to have a cup of joe. Lets face it initially there will most likey not be any instation combat, but im pretty sure ccp know about the fact that people will go to ground err station to avoid pvp when the odds are against them and plan to do something about it. Maybe station combat will only be applicable in null sec, maybe only in the new war system coming out soon, i dunno but i have trust in ccp. And for all those people saying its a spaceship game. No its not! its New Eden mofos!!!! A universe and from day one ccp had this on the agenda, i definately support WiS for all the new elements of gameplay it can and will eventually provide. |
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:36:00 -
[3401] - Quote
Kelsi Darr wrote: Also -- Was it in Massively, TenTonHammer or elsewhere that I saw an idea on a F2P EVE variation -- One where non-subscription players would be limited to non-Empyrean (i.e., sluggish non-pod) frigates? THAT, along with other stuff to pull in the DUST 514 players, would also rock.
It is most likley this great thread by Bloodpetal you are thinking of. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Soren Cassion
Cassion Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:08:00 -
[3402] - Quote
I have no intention of arguing with the forum crowd over whether WiS should or should not be in the game. Each one of us has their opinions, and there's nothing I can write that will make someone change their mind.
I do have some suggestions:
CQ was a massive disappointment for me. I spent a lot of time putting an avatar together, and then I got in the CQ and said "That's it?". It needs to be more. Especially if you want to sell the nifty things in NEX.
The danger of WiS would be that there may be things in stations that you can't do from your pod. IMO, that would be very bad. Eve is a game about FiS and you don't want to alienate the space gamer (the core population in Eve) by making game-affecting content exist somewhere that they don't want to be.
I would love to see each station start out with a common area, and doors leading off to each of the Corp Offices located at that station. The door to the corp office could be controlled in corp settings, and could be locked/barred, open to public, open by standings, password protected, etc. Each CEO could choose the level of involvement for each of his stations as he sees fit.
With this, corpmates could have out-of-pod conversations, show off their pretty avatars, and hold whatever kind of social meetings they like inside their own office. Corps that don't like it can just lock their doors. Corps that really want to get involved in the little RP that happens in Eve could use this and expand their experience in a way that they find meaningful.
There are plenty of players in Eve that would find this enjoyable, and there are plenty that would never use it. So be it. I like to mine, haul, and manufacture, and don't engage in PvP other than to avoid it. I may be in the minority here, but I enjoy myself in my own corner of the sandbox. Make WiS another portion of the sandbox, but don't try to force content into it - the community just won't respond well as a whole if they HAVE to WiS to get things done. Likewise, trying to create some kind of sub-game inside Eve that would be done by WiS is just a distraction from the main game, FiS.
Please expand the CQ into something that RPers can use as a sandbox of their own. No need to cram a lot of junk in there - just let it be a sandbox where people can interact and see what requests the community has at that point. You might be surprised at how creative and thought-out some of the responses may be a that point.
Thanks for listening. |
Epsilon Eridanni
Blue Nova Republic Point of Dispute
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:20:00 -
[3403] - Quote
I just had an idea. What about a mission planning room? There would be a large room with a view screen or hologram projector that someone, a corp leader or fleet commander, could show people their attack plans. It could be much easier than just describing it verbally. On the screen or hologram there could be a star map or show ship fittings, or what ever the person controlling it needs to display. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:36:00 -
[3404] - Quote
To Team Avatar and CCP:
Although I applaud you for wanting to do a 'Slow Burn' (Inferno reference?) approach for developing WiS content, it seems to me that CCP is now quite a bit 'Gun Shy' due to last years events. I must say that Dev Blog was very disappointing to say the least. I mean it didn't even introduce the members of Team Avatar. What's up with that?
As someone else pointed out, having Arm Tats for Avatars isn't something I would consider as new WiS game play content. As it is right now, that Dev Blog basically doesn't do anything to help generate an interest to participate in WiS or have the CQ active.
Being able to 'Personalize' the CQ with various items (Foliage, Medal's, Pets, etc.) either purchased from the NEX store or gathered from personal items hangar as well as different 'Lighting' accents and 'Save' that layout for that specific Racial CQ is a step towards introducing WiS game play content. Also having an option to use the main view screen as a 'Vid Phone' to view and communicate with other characters in their own CQ would help make the CQ seem less of a prison cell. This has been mentioned a few times in various different threads and would be a good step in the right direction towards developing future WiS game play content.
Speaking about the main view screen, why doesn't it have a drop down menu to select the various services available in that specific station? Also why isn't the official CCP videos streaming on it or all of the previous Alliance Tournaments? How about the option to 'Tune In' to Eve Radio? These should be easy enough to incorporate into the CQ. It would definitely help generate much more interest for players to have the CQ active while doing activity's not related to FiS, such as research, manufacturing, trade, waiting for Fleet Ops, reprocessing, etc.
Anyway, I guess I'm done venting for now.
DMC |
Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
114
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:39:00 -
[3405] - Quote
I find the current status of WIS is just eye candy with no function. Tattoos sleeves are more nice eye candy but does little to encourage me buy from any Nex store. (Though I am assuming this is work that is on the verge of completion from the previous teams.)
I would like Function A slow progressive approach is what I would look for:
Step 1 (lmit 5 people in a room) 2012 Summer Expansion - Able to interact with other members - (then I would buy NEX store items as people will be actively interacting with me. since I would like to be remember-able. Though currently I am just another pretty face ) --->Invite people to my CQ --->Small Corp/Alliance Social Lounge ----> Limited Emotes, ----> Clothing Line increase by 20% ---->Access other rooms via pull down menu
Step 2 (Limit 10 in a room) 2012 Winter Expansion -Able to interact with Meaningful mechanic --->Able to have Bot/Avatars per-programed to sell goods to people of set standings. ---> Sell Custom Modified objects and object which have no real value beyond role play. ---->Markers like Corpes belonging to a certain alliance or book marks can be traded to bots so players can start making agent mission of their own --->Emotes are now doubled in size ----> Clothing Line increase by 20%
Step 3 (Limit 25 in a room) 2013 Summer Expansion - Able to use in game mechanics to socialize --->3d Table top games as demo with the slice of the old Ambulation --->Poker, Tattoo, Shop, Slaver Dog races or Fights. ---> Emotes increase by 25% ----> Clothing Line increase by 20% ---> 3rd Person view Combat simulators for Eve and 3d views of Dust 514 Fights are viewed.
Step 4 (limit 75 in a room) 2013 Winter Expansion - Able to interact beyond a single room ---> able to have multi room establishments ---> the Promenade becomes a reality though the Promenade is claustrophobic designed so no more than 75 people will ever be seen GÇô Pull down list travel is removed, except in popular areas like Jita --->large open establishment are created GÇô Disco Halls ---> Duels are permitted ---> Emotes increased by 10% ----> Clothing Line increase by 20% ---> Small Public events can be held ie Closed doors Mind Clash ---> Closed Doors Court Room or Press Conferences.
Step 5 No limit of people 2014 Winter Expansion ---> Haze technology is used to draw people beyond 100 unless a Zoom feature is used then everyone else becomes blurry except long distance Bob. ---> New Open air Promenades becomes a reality. Pull down list travel may or may not exist depending on the demand of the players ---> Combat is open to individual establishments if permitted by establishment owners. ---->[Goons start attacking Raiden with rusty spoons] ---> Emotes increased by 10% ----> Clothing Line increase by 20%
Step 6 No limit -> haze technology is refined 2015 Summer Expansion --> Limited Ship interiors released only for Newbie ships GÇô CCP challenges the eve community to design ship interiors. --> Several Generic Place holder Starbase and Space Ship interiors are put in place waiting to be replace by player created content. Tool Set is released for players to design space ship and Starbase interiors [Goons attempt to make interiors so that ***** factor is realized almost instantly GÇô 1 Q/A Dev constant job to weed out this work] --->Combat inside ships becomes a reality for Dust 514 on test server only. ---> Emotes increased by 5% ----> Clothing Line increase by 20%
Step 7 2015 Winter Expansion ---> Worm wholers now can undock in side their POS ---> > A team grid lock type of team is introduced into this project --> Dust 514 and Eve Players now able to interact on Sleeper Missions ---> Player Made Interiors begin to populate ships, Dust 514 Missions also spill into this area. ---> Virtual Q/A Dev Mid year Round Table is now held in EVE (Virtiual Winter Fan fest begins) ---> Similar to current Missions system now develops for Ambulation. Player content is supplements this as another Q/A has to cypher through the High Time to ***** based Missions.
Step 8 2016 Summer Expansion ---> Station Windows over looking the undock now become a reality I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
41
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:52:00 -
[3406] - Quote
CCP RedDawn wrote: @Gerald Taric 1) Please do not put WiS over FiS
Team Avatar is a WiS slow burn team and the only team on WiS. All the other gameplay teams are working on FiS.
2) Give WiS some sense/content.
That's the plan.
i'm happy and patiently waiting. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.24 02:22:00 -
[3407] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Apparently all who waited for WiS as a source of alternate gameplay just will have to wait for a couple years... maybe then it's going to be worth resubbing to EVE.
Meanwhile, as my signature used to say... without no WiS, no new solo content, no new causal content, no hisec endgame... I will not be paying for this game.
how many times are you gonig to tell us about you leaving? WDGAF and STFU
Mara Rinn wrote:Ambulation is one of the features of EVE I've been waiting for since I started playing.
At this point, I would like to see something simple: meeting spaces where we can just hang out in "person" and talk. This would be more than enough for the RPers amongst us, with the rest of the acting being done through imagination and emotes: "/me puts the drink down and gives Frank an incredulous stare". Ideally we'd be able to talk to each other using voice fonts in the invisible "spatial" channel, and further awesomeness would be present if the voice could be placed in 3D space corresponding with avatar location.
Having the ability for certain emotes to translate to avatar action or posture would be awesome. Set my mood to happy, I'll start bouncing along as I walk, head raised, shoulders square. Set my mood to depressed, my shoulders slump, I look at the ground, and drag my feet instead of lifting them when I walk.
There doesn't need to be anything fancy about "establishments" further than being a room that I rent from a limited set of rooms in the station. Later on we should be able to add decorations (and of course, exotic/tribal/interpretive dancers who will dance for ISK or Aurum).
For me, ambulation will be "Minimal Functional Product" when I can see other avatars in the same space, use voice fonts for acting to each other and have some level of animated emote system in place. And heck, the ability to "whisper" to each other, so this small huddle of people can conspire to play a trick on that stiff over there (i.e.: spatial conversation would have real-world inverse square law applied to audio signal strength).
Other features like contraband trading and gambling can come later (i.e.: interaction with the environment isn't so important from my perspective).
jesus christ, did you even read the dev blog? what part of gameplay, meaningful contribution to ecology of eve do you not understand? why do you want to emote with a bunch of dudes so badly? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Kelsi Darr
Orbital Express LTD Ocularis Inferno
6
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:23:00 -
[3408] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:It is most likley this great thread by Bloodpetal you are thinking of.
Hadn't seen it, but that's an interesting take on the idea! Thank you.
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Sinooko
Viking Tech Industries
20
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:36:00 -
[3409] - Quote
Armband tatt's? Really? WHO CARES! Can't even see them in that tiny little frame in the chat channel. How about you let us share our CQ Prison with some friends next? That would be a nice little iteration.
Maybe the optional removal of ash trays and soda cans too... Long Live Eve Online! |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction -affliction-
6
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:00:00 -
[3410] - Quote
There is a compelling social aspect to being able to walk into your corporations room lets say, and see and interact with your corp mates avatars. Heck, even just walking about interacting with other toons currently on station is compelling.
Key here is that mini games et al are not really essential, the first step can simply be walking around and chatting. Done.
Think about it, no more just seeing friends as a portrait.
No more just taunting war targets or enemies in local, but actually walking up to their toons and getting in their faces while typing 'you gonna hide in station all day beotch?' or the like?
CCP doesn't need to spend a lot of effort on the mini games up front, just let peoples toons walk around -- and perhaps have proximity text chat (similar to whats on Sony playstation home, etc). Surely this isn't that big an effort? |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1027
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:37:00 -
[3411] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:jesus christ, did you even read the dev blog? what part of gameplay, meaningful contribution to ecology of eve do you not understand? why do you want to emote with a bunch of dudes so badly?
Having a stage on which to act would be a great boon for role-players. Having functional activities can wait until the multiple-avatar issues have been sorted out.
So step one: get multiple avatars sharing the same space. Some minimal interaction ability such as emotes, there's your minimal viable product.
Step two: now that you have the ability for people to be in the same place together, add in the ability to customise the theatre: one person might want a minmatar bar. A different corporation might want a formal board room or "war room".
Step three: add decorative features and activities such as contraband trading.
It's a case of crawl before you can walk before you can run.
What part of "agile development" do you not understand?
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:57:00 -
[3412] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:To Team Avatar and CCP:
Although I applaud you for wanting to do a 'Slow Burn' (Inferno reference?) approach for developing WiS content, it seems to me that CCP is now quite a bit 'Gun Shy' due to last years events. I must say that Dev Blog was very disappointing to say the least. I mean it didn't even introduce the members of Team Avatar. What's up with that?
As someone else pointed out, having Arm Tats for Avatars isn't something I would consider as new WiS game play content. As it is right now, that Dev Blog basically doesn't do anything to help generate an interest to participate in WiS or have the CQ active.
Being able to 'Personalize' the CQ with various items (Foliage, Medal's, Pets, etc.) either purchased from the NEX store or gathered from personal items hangar as well as different 'Lighting' accents and 'Save' that layout for that specific Racial CQ is a step towards introducing WiS game play content. Also having an option to use the main view screen as a 'Vid Phone' to view and communicate with other characters in their own CQ would help make the CQ seem less of a prison cell. This has been mentioned a few times in various different threads and would be a good step in the right direction towards developing future WiS game play content.
Speaking about the main view screen, why doesn't it have a drop down menu to select the various services available in that specific station? Also why isn't the official CCP videos streaming on it or all of the previous Alliance Tournaments? How about the option to 'Tune In' to Eve Radio? These should be easy enough to incorporate into the CQ. It would definitely help generate much more interest for players to have the CQ active while doing activity's not related to FiS, such as research, manufacturing, trade, waiting for Fleet Ops, reprocessing, etc.
Anyway, I guess I'm done venting for now.
DMC
You're right, it appears "gun shy". After thinking a while about it, it is clear that there are many "little steps" to add WiS functionality and which could be faster and easier than rethinkig the whole concept again and adding gameplay to it.
Why those steps are not mentioned? Maybe because Team Avatar is going to be 5 members all the way to 2013 no matter if the inferno freezes, so they CAN'T produce anything useful (short road= CQ improvements, limited mutiplayer, limited social interaction) and so they are comitting to a long road (the whole nine yards of WiS gameplay) in hope for better times.
In other words, we are being told about a possible bright future in exchange for the factual inability/corporate lack of interest to produce anything meaningful at the present.
Which is pretty much back to square 1:
If promises of WiS kept you in this game, better quit now and resub in a couple years at least. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:40:00 -
[3413] - Quote
If you have not read this, what The Boss said on for wis posts in comments on his devblog thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=844880#post844880
CCP Unifex wrote:First up, thanks for the feedback in this thread and some of the great comments and contributions to what you want to see us working on. It's great that we are hitting the right buttons for you with Inferno. Picking up on a couple of themes that have been common throughout this thread so far; AvatarsWe haven't abandoned this. What we have done is scale things back so we can focus on our core game whilst we get our heads around how we make sure characters add something really meaningful to EVE. We have a team of people who are incredibly passionate about this and I know that there is a Dev Blog coming about it soon. But what about the industrialists / explorers etc?We have a big game and we will get around to giving players who play the game for this type of experience more focus in the future. Feedback around things like this helps us evolve our plans as we look increasingly further forwards. Keep it coming. You're just a big tease, give me more detailsYep, just one big tease. Expect a lot more info in upcoming Dev Blogs from the guys and gals putting the real hard work into delivering Inferno. If you want to get the chance to sit down with any of us face to face and grill us for information, you can still sign up for Fanfest (yes I know it's a shameless plug but it is going to be even better than ever this year) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:58:00 -
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yeah i am disheartened to hear that we at back at square 1 of let's just quickly whip out a room for 5 dudes to emote each other and compare pants. no don't even try to tell me that is roleplay/immersion/sci-fi simulator/eve forever future vision, stop.
if you haven't noticed incarna 1.0's failure was not only of technical, but mainly of conceptual gameplay design in that it had NONE. which is what team bipedal avatar is trying address now and you are reacting sorely. look at the rate at which horse power of cpu and gpu exponentially grow each year, technical difficulties can be overcome sooner or later, elegantly or by brute horse power. what is the use of soulless "tech" when there is nothing for it to enable. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.24 11:12:00 -
[3415] - Quote
I have to agree with you here Taiwanistan. Adding emotes sounds like the most worthless thing CCP could add to WIS and i would question what i was doing with my life if i was sat around with a bunch of people making their avatars arses shake.
However, i would enjoy having the ability to play a game of poker (or whatever) in game with my corp mates for isk. Like on mining ops, there are many times in eve where you are sat around doing nothing but talking to your friends and posting 4chan images in chat. Corp mini games would enhance this part of the game. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1040
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Posted - 2012.02.24 11:15:00 -
[3416] - Quote
I would still like to have official good answer where did this end up to and why?
This entire concept and design was something many were waiting for instead of the junk we got now. Decent explanation would be in place. Is all this work really in /dev/bin now and beyond restoring? Just feels really bad to have working concept and product thrown away like this.
Get |
Freelancer117
Obsidian Tigers
21
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Posted - 2012.02.24 11:24:00 -
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Please do NOT abandon Ambulation (WiS)
My dream like many others is for someday to have a Freelancer MMO.
The way EvE is played it is ofc is not possible to make this game look like that.
The way space combat is done and the fact that players not npc's make the universe makes that so.
However maybe we can have one element from Freelancer in EvE, being able to walk inside stations or even capital ships.
When I first played this game 3 years ago it was sold to me as not the old mining sim,
but as a spreadsheet game with great live chatrooms, plus since eve had no sound, eve radio filled that gap perfectly.
Now in 2012 Eve is much more where player interaction is still as important as ever, but we still use chatrooms ingame (besides metagaming and eve voice)
Maybe we can get 3D versions of chatrooms for corporation/alliance use or maybe even making contracts to hire mercs or setup other agreements using 3D chat. |
John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
127
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:49:00 -
[3418] - Quote
[I'm cross posting this from the blog thread.]
The entire problem from the start was expectation management. The whole WiS concept has been around since (I think) late 2004/early 2005 so players like me who have played a number of years and seen it develop had been fed a steady diet of promises and grandiose visions of our avatars wondering around space stations. What we got was a box we could take three steps in any direction before hitting a wall. There was nothing wrong with Captains quarters it was simply that they in themselves did not warrant an entire expansion built up around them. The failure was with the marketing guys rather than the developers and coupled with the mischief that was going on with the internal newsletter and e-mails being released, and the lack of any real content, lead to the mass hysteria that went on.
The initial video we had of WiS was of avatars wondering up and down a promenade visiting stores. A powerful visual message that set itself in the minds of players from the time. We also had suggestions of new crafting mini-professions, retail establishments and bars, corporate offices and a board room. I also think the whole "iteration" approach to this just simply isn't going to work because whilst iteration works fine with FiS, it works because that is the core content of the game that has been around since the beginning. WiS does not have that framework to build upon in iterations so you need to be bolder, take a risk on releasing something that has a more multi-faceted level of content that appeals to a far wider audience rather than a select group at a time.
Get the promenade out there and allow people to set up retail establishments to sell player-crafted avatar clothing. Limit the market so that they're only accessible through WiS and not the standard market interface. If you want to overhaul boosters then have them sold in bars in the station rather than some generic "establishment". The entire Corporate management interface is not fit for purpose (trying being a CEO and locking/unlocking hundreds of BPs) and this could all be overhauled through a corporate office. Provide ways from within which we would be able to interact with space - for example, remote access to local counts or ways to monitor the success of Dust 514 members/teams. Make jump clones accessible only via WiS based medical facilities.
Release something we can immerse ourselves in because timidity will doom you to repeating the same mistakes you made with Incarna. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:55:00 -
[3419] - Quote
John McCreedy wrote:[I'm cross posting this from the blog thread.]
The entire problem from the start was expectation management. The whole WiS concept has been around since (I think) late 2004/early 2005 so players like me who have played a number of years and seen it develop had been fed a steady diet of promises and grandiose visions of our avatars wondering around space stations. What we got was a box we could take three steps in any direction before hitting a wall. There was nothing wrong with Captains quarters it was simply that they in themselves did not warrant an entire expansion built up around them. The failure was with the marketing guys rather than the developers and coupled with the mischief that was going on with the internal newsletter and e-mails being released, and the lack of any real content, lead to the mass hysteria that went on.
The initial video we had of WiS was of avatars wondering up and down a promenade visiting stores. A powerful visual message that set itself in the minds of players from the time. We also had suggestions of new crafting mini-professions, retail establishments and bars, corporate offices and a board room. I also think the whole "iteration" approach to this just simply isn't going to work because whilst iteration works fine with FiS, it works because that is the core content of the game that has been around since the beginning. WiS does not have that framework to build upon in iterations so you need to be bolder, take a risk on releasing something that has a more multi-faceted level of content that appeals to a far wider audience rather than a select group at a time.
Get the promenade out there and allow people to set up retail establishments to sell player-crafted avatar clothing. Limit the market so that they're only accessible through WiS and not the standard market interface. If you want to overhaul boosters then have them sold in bars in the station rather than some generic "establishment". The entire Corporate management interface is not fit for purpose (trying being a CEO and locking/unlocking hundreds of BPs) and this could all be overhauled through a corporate office. Provide ways from within which we would be able to interact with space - for example, remote access to local counts or ways to monitor the success of Dust 514 members/teams. Make jump clones accessible only via WiS based medical facilities.
Release something we can immerse ourselves in because timidity will doom you to repeating the same mistakes you made with Incarna.
I am liking your post here too. :)
Listen to this guy ppl!!!
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John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
127
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:24:00 -
[3420] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:I am liking your post here too. :) Listen to this guy ppl!!!
LOL thanks. I'm just hedging my bets by cross posting in the hope that CCP read it.
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:44:00 -
[3421] - Quote
John McCreedy wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:I am liking your post here too. :) Listen to this guy ppl!!! LOL thanks. I'm just hedging my bets by cross posting in the hope that CCP read it.
maybe you should post it here: Captains Quarters... ideas, suggestions and enhancements
That's sticky thread in Features & Ideas Discussion forum. |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:14:00 -
[3422] - Quote
John McCreedy wrote:[I'm cross posting this from the blog thread.]
The entire problem from the start was expectation management. The whole WiS concept has been around since (I think) late 2004/early 2005 so players like me who have played a number of years and seen it develop had been fed a steady diet of promises and grandiose visions of our avatars wondering around space stations. What we got was a box we could take three steps in any direction before hitting a wall. There was nothing wrong with Captains quarters it was simply that they in themselves did not warrant an entire expansion built up around them. The failure was with the marketing guys rather than the developers and coupled with the mischief that was going on with the internal newsletter and e-mails being released, and the lack of any real content, lead to the mass hysteria that went on.
The initial video we had of WiS was of avatars wondering up and down a promenade visiting stores. A powerful visual message that set itself in the minds of players from the time. We also had suggestions of new crafting mini-professions, retail establishments and bars, corporate offices and a board room. I also think the whole "iteration" approach to this just simply isn't going to work because whilst iteration works fine with FiS, it works because that is the core content of the game that has been around since the beginning. WiS does not have that framework to build upon in iterations so you need to be bolder, take a risk on releasing something that has a more multi-faceted level of content that appeals to a far wider audience rather than a select group at a time.
Get the promenade out there and allow people to set up retail establishments to sell player-crafted avatar clothing. Limit the market so that they're only accessible through WiS and not the standard market interface. If you want to overhaul boosters then have them sold in bars in the station rather than some generic "establishment". The entire Corporate management interface is not fit for purpose (trying being a CEO and locking/unlocking hundreds of BPs) and this could all be overhauled through a corporate office. Provide ways from within which we would be able to interact with space - for example, remote access to local counts or ways to monitor the success of Dust 514 members/teams. Make jump clones accessible only via WiS based medical facilities.
Release something we can immerse ourselves in because timidity will doom you to repeating the same mistakes you made with Incarna. Solid. +1
I would be happy to wander a promenade with shop doors that are locked for now rather than be stuck in a room all alone with one locked door. We know the designs are there, there can't be that much work to release a common area.
I don't care if there is no actual game play at this point, I just hate being stuck in a room while I take care of station business. I know some people don't understand why/how people can just chill with their avatars but why they care how other people spend their time in game is beyond me.
Don't underestimate the power of human avartar interaction. Even if it doesn't have any real game play atm. |
John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
127
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:28:00 -
[3423] - Quote
I'm not sure which thread we're meant to be using but I made a follow up post on the blog thread clarifying the Jump Clone comment. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:21:00 -
[3424] - Quote
John does have a strong point, we set our bars too high but ccp set the bar a bit on releasable content as well.
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Zen BraZen
Blue Heelers
2
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:48:00 -
[3425] - Quote
John McCreedy wrote:[I'm cross posting this from the blog thread.]
The entire problem from the start was expectation management. The whole WiS concept has been around since (I think) late 2004/early 2005 so players like me who have played a number of years and seen it develop had been fed a steady diet of promises and grandiose visions of our avatars wondering around space stations. What we got was a box we could take three steps in any direction before hitting a wall. There was nothing wrong with Captains quarters it was simply that they in themselves did not warrant an entire expansion built up around them. The failure was with the marketing guys rather than the developers and coupled with the mischief that was going on with the internal newsletter and e-mails being released, and the lack of any real content, lead to the mass hysteria that went on.
The initial video we had of WiS was of avatars wondering up and down a promenade visiting stores. A powerful visual message that set itself in the minds of players from the time. We also had suggestions of new crafting mini-professions, retail establishments and bars, corporate offices and a board room. I also think the whole "iteration" approach to this just simply isn't going to work because whilst iteration works fine with FiS, it works because that is the core content of the game that has been around since the beginning. WiS does not have that framework to build upon in iterations so you need to be bolder, take a risk on releasing something that has a more multi-faceted level of content that appeals to a far wider audience rather than a select group at a time.
Get the promenade out there and allow people to set up retail establishments to sell player-crafted avatar clothing. Limit the market so that they're only accessible through WiS and not the standard market interface. If you want to overhaul boosters then have them sold in bars in the station rather than some generic "establishment". The entire Corporate management interface is not fit for purpose (trying being a CEO and locking/unlocking hundreds of BPs) and this could all be overhauled through a corporate office. Provide ways from within which we would be able to interact with space - for example, remote access to local counts or ways to monitor the success of Dust 514 members/teams. Make jump clones accessible only via WiS based medical facilities.
Release something we can immerse ourselves in because timidity will doom you to repeating the same mistakes you made with Incarna.
+1
The above saves me a lot of writing. :)
Only want to add that that the potential for WiS is truley staggering. When CCP combine the Dust and EVE economies, WiS has the potential to be where Dust and EVE meet on an equal footing. The melting pot of different players and agendas, where all things are possible. Imaging being responsible for the transport of Dust Mercs and equipment across space, interacting with Dust ops in real time, having a tangable experince of the markets or presiding over a meeting of coporate CEOs. Even just having a beer and interacting with the programable NPCs. WiS done correctly will allow the user base to create their own narrative and make it their own. For me, it is one of the most exciting aspects of EVEs potential. |
Malena VXXI
Wolfpacks
2
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:00:00 -
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Sorry I cant see any there that give me any hope
just the same ... 'avoid the topics' general speach
You advertise EvE Online with 3d Chars ingame all over you sell clothes for irl cash without a warning its been put on som backburner !?
CCP fix WiS ' open the door'
and I been reading now this post and its more people that want WiS now then the people stating they dont want it ' if we remove those postings made by the same person but with another account ' |
Alagondar
Labyrinth Industries Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:02:00 -
[3427] - Quote
i agree with Zen BraZen.
i dont know if someone mentioned this but: i'd like to see some sort of "drug" system on WiS. or some other sandbox concept (ill be the FIRST to handcuff the gangsters, and there WILL be tears)
but im pretty sure im happy what ever happens, just dont give up WiS!!!!! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:41:00 -
[3428] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:John does have a strong point, we set our bars too high but ccp set the bar a bit on releasable content as well.
they better tell us then ,what they think is releasable content. having to wait to fanfest with a no info blog patented to ccp ,come on TA you can do better then that I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
127
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:18:00 -
[3429] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Nova Fox wrote:John does have a strong point, we set our bars too high but ccp set the bar a bit on releasable content as well. they better tell us then ,what they think is releasable content. having to wait to fanfest with a no info blog patented to ccp ,come on TA you can do better then that
I'm not actually saying that. I'm saying that CCP built WiS up in to something in our minds they were unwilling to deliver that in one go and that if they ever want to sell us on the WiS then they need to be willing to deliver a large amount of content, appealing to the widest possible audience in one go in one expansion. To simply release establishments as an iteration will be to make the same mistake as CQ. Insufficient content and by the time there is sufficient content, no one will be interested in it.
Let me put it another way. After JFK had sold the concept of going to the Moon, if we'd done it by taking baby steps to get there, by the time we'd actually reached it no one would have been bothered. It was a historical event because the astronauts did it in one shot. |
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:10:00 -
[3430] - Quote
This is a rehash of something I posted in features & Ideas a long time ago but given the recent dev blog I still feel the idea has some merit.
The idea of a virtual world really should not be that strange to us so how about a virtual station.
Instead of leaving captains quarters you could basically sit down on your captainGÇÖs quarterGÇÖs sofa plug yourself in and transfer yourself to another environment.
In my original idea this was a virtual station with all capsuleers accessing the same station from within the same region, system or station depending on expected populationGÇÖs, i.e. a single virtual station for a lowsec region whereas a highsec trade hub may need an environment per station if not more.
In the short term I would suggest this change to a single corp/alliance bar/lounge/war room this being accessible by all corp members docked in any station wherever that may be.
Could be immersion breaking but this would enable more social interaction where there are lower populations and reduce the need to travel just to interact.
I donGÇÖt really see this as the endgame for WIS I view that as much more conventional and immersive but as an interim step with a few limited environments, back burner development and a lower game population participating in this content I think it enables more linked up gameplay.
Given that it I not a real place then perhaps even access from space itself, click a button and send the ship into emergency warp (effectively log off), then transfer to the virtual environment. This may enable participation by those in systems with no accessible stations or wormholes. Preventing access to local and markets may be necessary in this case.
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Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:35:00 -
[3431] - Quote
Dev troll ??? Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Cletus Graeme
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
19
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:00:00 -
[3432] - Quote
Firstly, it's great news that WiS is still going ahead and moving forward (albeit more slowly). Potentially it could add a huge amount to EvE and draw in many more players - which is good for CCP and perhaps also good for us (if it is done without neglecting FiS). It's also good that CCP is now consulting the community about what players want/expect from WiS.
However, my biggest concern with "the promise" of FiS is what happened with Factional Warfare (FW).
FW promised a great deal - conquerable empire space/stations, relevance to the superb EvE backstory and a real opportunity for "role playing" to finally mean something in-game (as EvE is an RPG only in name).
However, despite all the talk, FW remains a shadow of what it could become. It is little more than a permanent empire war dec opportunity for less experienced pilots to cut their teeth on PvP.
It didn't even boost lowsec as the addition of the extra lowsec space (e.g blackrise) did nothing to persuade players to enter the large areas of lowsec which already existed and which are still underused and remain relatively empty.
CCP still has a lot to deliver with FW. Until they do I remain highly skeptical of any new content (like WiS).
Having said all that, my own take on WiS is as a combat pilot. In other words, we definitely need some kind of avatar combat and it should be an extension of the existing FiS pvp mechanics. E.g. Stations should be policed by CONCORD in empire and response times should mirror the system security status as it does in space and War Decs should allow you to fight in a station as they do in space
We all have clones so dying in a station doesn't mean anything more than ISK loss and inconvenience (as in space).
It's not hard to see how fights could break out over spies being uncovered, people being scammed, cheating accusations over a gambling game, smugglers being caught in the act or just via overconsumption of alcohol!
WiS without PvP is a non-starter and adding a whole new (avatar based) combat system is a monumental task so the fact that this is not being talked about in detail makes me very worried indeed. EvE is not a safe place to live and that's what makes it so much fun (and unique amongst MMOs). WiS shouldn't change that.
Another problem that WiS faces is that it's being added at a very late stage in EvE's development so many features which it could potentially bring as "new" to the game are ALREADY possible simply because we've needed to be able to do them (without avatars) for a long time.
For example, corporation recruitment could be conducted "in person" inside stations instead of on OOG comms. Similarly, corporation meetings could also occur via your avatar. These both already work WITHOUT avatars so if you want people to use the stations for this stuff then either add new features which are only available while docked or restrict access to certain information by only making it available "in person".
Also, if avatars were able to purchase "personal gear" from the market (NOT the NeX store) which gives them in-game advantages while docked (i.e. similar to buying and fitting ship modules to a ship) then there is now a reason to rob/grief/kill someone to "haz their stuff". This opens a whole new arena for invention/manufacturing/trade/pvp INSIDE stations.
As you can see the potential is there to add something really new and different to EvE but a project this ambitious needs to deliver on at least some of these possibilities. If we get another half-baked release like with FW (or another Incarna - heaven forbid!!!) I think that might be the last straw for many already disgruntled players.
At the moment there is a lot of talk about work on "ooh shiny" station interiors which have to look just right. Guess what, WE DON'T CARE.
Gameplay >>> Graphics
Get the gameplay right - nice graphics is a bonus.
EDIT: To end on a more positive note, from the latest dev blog it appears there seems to be a recognition that WiS is too big for a single expansion (just as was the case with FW) so CCP have decided to take the time to properly research, prototype and test any new WiS gameplay features before release as part of an on-going, incremental series of additions but with an overall plan and direction behind them all.
It's looking good so far! |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:28:00 -
[3433] - Quote
If I remember, either that was just a for-show tech demo built off of an Unreal engine and it never really existed outside the demonstration, or they at some point decided to get rid of it in favor of an in-house engine and that's where we're at now. |
Sara Seraph
FaintHeart Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:57:00 -
[3434] - Quote
WiS - to me - is a fantastic concept.
I wish CCP the best in getting it done!
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Leedha Lemour
Staner Industries
5
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Posted - 2012.02.25 08:53:00 -
[3435] - Quote
Vherokior eyes! Need I say more ?
They just don't look right, The Uncanny Valley |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.02.25 11:08:00 -
[3436] - Quote
Berke Negri wrote:If I remember, either that was just a for-show tech demo built off of an Unreal engine and it never really existed outside the demonstration, or they at some point decided to get rid of it in favor of an in-house engine and that's where we're at now. It didn't scale and was scrapped shortly after. It's a devpost hidden somewhere in the forums about it.
Also new art direction happened which we have yet to recover from.
As I wrote in the other thread, I'm really glad to see that Ambulation/WiS/Incarna finally is reaching pre-production status, something it should have done half a decade ago. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.02.25 11:13:00 -
[3437] - Quote
Berke Negri wrote:If I remember, either that was just a for-show tech demo built off of an Unreal engine and it never really existed outside the demonstration, or they at some point decided to get rid of it in favor of an in-house engine and that's where we're at now.
CCP made WIS a big problem showing that vid before they started to make a completely new game engine By doing that they couldn,t deliver what they promised or showed in that vid and now they scratched everything they had and have to start over ,this is going to be a very long proces
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
127
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Posted - 2012.02.25 13:02:00 -
[3438] - Quote
People have been questioning (in the other thread) my comment about Jump Clones being WiS based. It was an example to make a point. This is how I see WiS should work.
John McCreedy wrote:You're reading too much in to the ideas which were just thrown out there to make a wider point. The point that I'm trying to make is that in order to develop gameplay that will attract people to WiS, that gameplay has to be exclusive to WiS. It has to give you a reason to get out of your capsule and go down in to the station otherwise people will simply be lazy and engage in it from their hanger. It's overwhelmingly agreed that CQ was a failure because the only real content for a veteran was the PI interface and insufficient people engage in PI to have a reason to enter CQ and those that do can just as easily (and more quickly) do it from their hanger.
The same applies to establishments because they in and of themselves have an insufficient content to interest the majority. Not everyone wants or needs to use boosters so again that caters to a very limited audience. However, if there is content that appeals to a certain audience which requires them to leave their pod, and if that content is part of a wider gameplay element that has further content, they may well then engage in gameplay elements that did not initially attract them. Retailers have always known this. One of the most important thing to a retailer is footfall because the more people who come in the store, the higher the chance they'll buy more than one thing.
If have to get out of my pod to find a medical facility to jump clone (I'm just using this as an example), on the way I may meet an old friend and get talking to him and I notice he's wearing a cool jacket. We catch up and we end up arranging for our respective corps to meet up and go on a roam. We say our goodbyes and as I walk along the promenade I see that cool jacket for sale in a player-owned establishment so I go buy it for myself. I walk out the establishment and there is a bar across the way selling boosters so I may have a wander over and purchase some before carrying on down the promenade to reach the medical bay. That person I bought it off then may go out and spend the profits on a new ship I'm selling. All I wanted was to clone jump but I ended up meeting an old friend, making a new ally, buying a new jacket and boosters. We've also impacted the FiS content because through that gameplay, that roam may go out and engage in a fight where 30 ships are lost. Those pilots will then need to replace them and through both sides of the gameplay, we've contributed to the player-driven economy
The reason to get out of the pod can be anything you like, and once the initial framework is there you can iterate more gameplay elements on top of it but the point is that WiS can only be successful if the gameplay content, whatever that content may be, appeals to the widest possible audience. Sometimes giant leaps are better than baby steps and I believe the only way to make a successful WiS is for CCP to be brave and make a giant leap.
FiS and WiS should be indistinguishable from each other. It should simply be Eve Online. There is no reason why being able to get out of your capsule and wondering down to a station or even living in a station permanently if one wished, should have anything other than a positive impact on the FiS content.
The mistake CCP made was developing WiS at the expense of FiS, a mistake I believe they have learned from.
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Oche Firestar
Silent Knight Industries - Virtual Tech
1
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Posted - 2012.02.25 14:46:00 -
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The ability to move around stations has been something that was a core part of EvE when it was first released to us so long ago. Indeed EvE was supposed to be a full environment - walking in stattions, planetary environments and cometary belts to name just a few of the things that meant - something which at the time had not been done in any MMO. When it was mentioned when would we get WiS it was always soon until about 4 years ago when we got the first sight of Ambulation. We got a lot of information on what we'd be able to do including a whole range of meaningful activities and a promise that we were one expansion away from seeing it go live.
Yet now we seem to be still as far away from WiS as we ever were facing the cutting off of another core part of EvE. This is no longer EvE - a full scale universe but something much smaller and much, much more limited. No longer does it have that magic that used to be able to bring people into test its grand majestic vision which made EvE something envied and that people who had not played EvE at least knew about. Now its hard to find people who even know that an MMO called EvE exists. And if you do its almost always former ex-players who left because EvE was becoming more and more limited and who are quick to point out the limits and failings of EvE.
CCP needs to recapture that grand majestic vision that used to be EvE. There needs to be a major effort to expand EvE into those areas that it said it would venture and do so quickly. EvE needs to re-open its universe and not stay one dimensional for that is the road to oblivion, a road it has travelled far down with few turnoffs left. There are new IPs out there that are far down the road to becoming the building blocks of new MMOs that could compete with a limited EvE and eventually push it off into the dusty books of history. EvE is not one decision away from extinction but limiting itself as it has been and is being forced to do so by many can quite quickly put EvE there. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:39:00 -
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John McCreedy wrote:People have been questioning (in the other thread) my comment about Jump Clones being WiS based. It was an example to make a point. This is how I see WiS should work. John McCreedy wrote:You're reading too much in to the ideas which were just thrown out there to make a wider point. The point that I'm trying to make is that in order to develop gameplay that will attract people to WiS, that gameplay has to be exclusive to WiS. It has to give you a reason to get out of your capsule and go down in to the station otherwise people will simply be lazy and engage in it from their hanger. It's overwhelmingly agreed that CQ was a failure because the only real content for a veteran was the PI interface and insufficient people engage in PI to have a reason to enter CQ and those that do can just as easily (and more quickly) do it from their hanger.
The same applies to establishments because they in and of themselves have an insufficient content to interest the majority. Not everyone wants or needs to use boosters so again that caters to a very limited audience. However, if there is content that appeals to a certain audience which requires them to leave their pod, and if that content is part of a wider gameplay element that has further content, they may well then engage in gameplay elements that did not initially attract them. Retailers have always known this. One of the most important thing to a retailer is footfall because the more people who come in the store, the higher the chance they'll buy more than one thing.
If have to get out of my pod to find a medical facility to jump clone (I'm just using this as an example), on the way I may meet an old friend and get talking to him and I notice he's wearing a cool jacket. We catch up and we end up arranging for our respective corps to meet up and go on a roam. We say our goodbyes and as I walk along the promenade I see that cool jacket for sale in a player-owned establishment so I go buy it for myself. I walk out the establishment and there is a bar across the way selling boosters so I may have a wander over and purchase some before carrying on down the promenade to reach the medical bay. That person I bought it off then may go out and spend the profits on a new ship I'm selling. All I wanted was to clone jump but I ended up meeting an old friend, making a new ally, buying a new jacket and boosters. We've also impacted the FiS content because through that gameplay, that roam may go out and engage in a fight where 30 ships are lost. Those pilots will then need to replace them and through both sides of the gameplay, we've contributed to the player-driven economy
The reason to get out of the pod can be anything you like, and once the initial framework is there you can iterate more gameplay elements on top of it but the point is that WiS can only be successful if the gameplay content, whatever that content may be, appeals to the widest possible audience. Sometimes giant leaps are better than baby steps and I believe the only way to make a successful WiS is for CCP to be brave and make a giant leap. FiS and WiS should be indistinguishable from each other. It should simply be Eve Online. There is no reason why being able to get out of your capsule and wondering down to a station or even living in a station permanently if one wished, should have anything other than a positive impact on the FiS content. The mistake CCP made was developing WiS at the expense of FiS, a mistake I believe they have learned from. hey buddy, i love your jacket, hey stranger, i love your pants hey there's a roam going out nah i just wanna /dance me too! really? yeah let do it! lol! are you telling me i have to wasd around for 5 minutes just to update my clone when i am podded? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:08:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:are you telling me i have to wasd around for 5 minutes just to update my clone when i am podded? Why not? Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.25 22:15:00 -
[3442] - Quote
Cletus Graeme wrote:
Having said all that, my own take on WiS is as a combat pilot. In other words, we definitely need some kind of avatar combat and it should be an extension of the existing FiS pvp mechanics. E.g. Stations should be policed by CONCORD in empire and response times should mirror the system security status as it does in space and War Decs should allow you to fight in a station as they do in space
We all have clones so dying in a station doesn't mean anything more than ISK loss and inconvenience (as in space).
It's not hard to see how fights could break out over spies being uncovered, people being scammed, cheating accusations over a gambling game, smugglers being caught in the act or just via overconsumption of alcohol!
WiS without PvP is a non-starter and adding a whole new (avatar based) combat system is a monumental task so the fact that this is not being talked about in detail makes me very worried indeed. EvE is not a safe place to live and that's what makes it so much fun (and unique amongst MMOs). WiS shouldn't change that.
Also, if avatars were able to purchase "personal gear" from the market (NOT the NeX store) which gives them in-game advantages while docked (i.e. similar to buying and fitting ship modules to a ship) then there is now a reason to rob/grief/kill someone to "haz their stuff". This opens a whole new arena for invention/manufacturing/trade/pvp INSIDE stations.
As you can see the potential is there to add something really new and different to EvE but a project this ambitious needs to deliver on at least some of these possibilities. If we get another half-baked release like with FW (or another Incarna - heaven forbid!!!) I think that might be the last straw for many already disgruntled players.
At the moment there is a lot of talk about work on "ooh shiny" station interiors which have to look just right. Guess what, WE DON'T CARE.
Gameplay >>> Graphics
Get the gameplay right - nice graphics is a bonus.
I disagree with this.
Granted there should be some Avatar Combat available but this sounds like a pitch to allow grief play in order to boost more kill-mail stats. Right now a very important aspect of the existing FiS pvp mechanics is being able to dock up in a station for safety, plain and simple.
I'm sure other players will agree that being able to suicide gank Avatars anywhere at anytime will just discourage players from participating in WiS. I definitely don't want my 1 billion ISK worth of implants to be destroyed while being active in WiS.
If you want a 'Free for all' FPS PvP gank fest, have Concord sanctioned Arena's placed inside the stations. If you want the option to suicide gank Avatars, make it a specialized skill career that's based on a percentage chance for success which would also include players having options to help safeguard themselves from being ganked.
'Nowhere in Eve is safe' or 'Eve's core gameplay is PvP' is nothing more than hogwash. As I said earlier, I can dock in station for 100% safety. My ship has ability to tank damage and also have logistics help from friends. If I'm being suicide attacked in high sec, hopefully my ship can survive so I can watch concord destroy the attackers. If my ship is destroyed, I also have a chance to spam warp and dock in a station before my pod is destroyed.
Bottom line: There are a lot of various options to help safeguard my character from being destroyed while being active in FiS. I expect the same type of options for WiS. If not, then good luck getting players to participate in WiS. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.26 00:15:00 -
[3443] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Cletus Graeme wrote:
Having said all that, my own take on WiS is as a combat pilot. In other words, we definitely need some kind of avatar combat and it should be an extension of the existing FiS pvp mechanics. E.g. Stations should be policed by CONCORD in empire and response times should mirror the system security status as it does in space and War Decs should allow you to fight in a station as they do in space
We all have clones so dying in a station doesn't mean anything more than ISK loss and inconvenience (as in space).
It's not hard to see how fights could break out over spies being uncovered, people being scammed, cheating accusations over a gambling game, smugglers being caught in the act or just via overconsumption of alcohol!
WiS without PvP is a non-starter and adding a whole new (avatar based) combat system is a monumental task so the fact that this is not being talked about in detail makes me very worried indeed. EvE is not a safe place to live and that's what makes it so much fun (and unique amongst MMOs). WiS shouldn't change that.
Also, if avatars were able to purchase "personal gear" from the market (NOT the NeX store) which gives them in-game advantages while docked (i.e. similar to buying and fitting ship modules to a ship) then there is now a reason to rob/grief/kill someone to "haz their stuff". This opens a whole new arena for invention/manufacturing/trade/pvp INSIDE stations.
As you can see the potential is there to add something really new and different to EvE but a project this ambitious needs to deliver on at least some of these possibilities. If we get another half-baked release like with FW (or another Incarna - heaven forbid!!!) I think that might be the last straw for many already disgruntled players.
At the moment there is a lot of talk about work on "ooh shiny" station interiors which have to look just right. Guess what, WE DON'T CARE.
Gameplay >>> Graphics
Get the gameplay right - nice graphics is a bonus.
I disagree with this. Granted there should be some Avatar Combat available but this sounds like a pitch to allow grief play in order to boost more kill-mail stats. Right now a very important aspect of the existing FiS pvp mechanics is being able to dock up in a station for safety, plain and simple. I'm sure other players will agree that being able to suicide gank Avatars anywhere at anytime will just discourage players from participating in WiS. I definitely don't want my 1 billion ISK worth of implants to be destroyed while being active in WiS. If you want a 'Free for all' FPS PvP gank fest, have Concord sanctioned Arena's placed inside the stations. If you want the option to suicide gank Avatars, make it a specialized skill career that's based on a percentage chance for success which would also include players having options to help safeguard themselves from being ganked. 'Nowhere in Eve is safe' or 'Eve's core gameplay is PvP' is nothing more than hogwash. As I said earlier, I can dock in station for 100% safety. My ship has ability to tank damage and also have logistics help from friends. If I'm being suicide attacked in high sec, hopefully my ship can survive so I can watch concord destroy the attackers. If my ship is destroyed, I also have a chance to spam warp and dock in a station before my pod is destroyed. Bottom line: There are a lot of various options to help safeguard my character from being destroyed while being active in FiS. I expect the same type of options for WiS. If not, then good luck getting players to participate in WiS.
Sure, there should be a few safe places in WIS just the same as FIS, but the very second you are interacting with other avatars directly, you should no longer be 100% safe. The risk of death should be no different than un-docking in FIS now.
I don't think anyone advocates "free ganks" in WIS or FIS, and CCP would likely not either. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Piter Bakunin
1
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Posted - 2012.02.26 00:57:00 -
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While I am impressed with the quality of the Avatars I find I am left with the question : What opportunity for gameplay does this give that wasn't there before?
I am more than willing to be sold on the concept of WIS but what I have seen so far seems like nothing more than a front for a cash shop.
None of the ideas I have seen bandied about thus far make avatars even relevant, let alone compelling gameplay. About the only one that can't already be done more quickly and efficiently from your Hangar is emoting at each other, now if thats what floats your boat then set sail captain, but its not going to pull me out of my ship and into the meat and I suspect many others feel the same way.
I may be just a noob, but until CCP can show me a compelling reason to want to walk in stations then I'll stay in my Hangar, thanks all the same. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.26 02:26:00 -
[3445] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Cletus Graeme wrote:
Having said all that, my own take on WiS is as a combat pilot. In other words, we definitely need some kind of avatar combat and it should be an extension of the existing FiS pvp mechanics. E.g. Stations should be policed by CONCORD in empire and response times should mirror the system security status as it does in space and War Decs should allow you to fight in a station as they do in space
We all have clones so dying in a station doesn't mean anything more than ISK loss and inconvenience (as in space).
It's not hard to see how fights could break out over spies being uncovered, people being scammed, cheating accusations over a gambling game, smugglers being caught in the act or just via overconsumption of alcohol!
WiS without PvP is a non-starter and adding a whole new (avatar based) combat system is a monumental task so the fact that this is not being talked about in detail makes me very worried indeed. EvE is not a safe place to live and that's what makes it so much fun (and unique amongst MMOs). WiS shouldn't change that.
Also, if avatars were able to purchase "personal gear" from the market (NOT the NeX store) which gives them in-game advantages while docked (i.e. similar to buying and fitting ship modules to a ship) then there is now a reason to rob/grief/kill someone to "haz their stuff". This opens a whole new arena for invention/manufacturing/trade/pvp INSIDE stations.
As you can see the potential is there to add something really new and different to EvE but a project this ambitious needs to deliver on at least some of these possibilities. If we get another half-baked release like with FW (or another Incarna - heaven forbid!!!) I think that might be the last straw for many already disgruntled players.
At the moment there is a lot of talk about work on "ooh shiny" station interiors which have to look just right. Guess what, WE DON'T CARE.
Gameplay >>> Graphics
Get the gameplay right - nice graphics is a bonus.
I disagree with this. Granted there should be some Avatar Combat available but this sounds like a pitch to allow grief play in order to boost more kill-mail stats. Right now a very important aspect of the existing FiS pvp mechanics is being able to dock up in a station for safety, plain and simple. I'm sure other players will agree that being able to suicide gank Avatars anywhere at anytime will just discourage players from participating in WiS. I definitely don't want my 1 billion ISK worth of implants to be destroyed while being active in WiS. If you want a 'Free for all' FPS PvP gank fest, have Concord sanctioned Arena's placed inside the stations. If you want the option to suicide gank Avatars, make it a specialized skill career that's based on a percentage chance for success which would also include players having options to help safeguard themselves from being ganked. 'Nowhere in Eve is safe' or 'Eve's core gameplay is PvP' is nothing more than hogwash. As I said earlier, I can dock in station for 100% safety. My ship has ability to tank damage and also have logistics help from friends. If I'm being suicide attacked in high sec, hopefully my ship can survive so I can watch concord destroy the attackers. If my ship is destroyed, I also have a chance to spam warp and dock in a station before my pod is destroyed. Bottom line: There are a lot of various options to help safeguard my character from being destroyed while being active in FiS. I expect the same type of options for WiS. If not, then good luck getting players to participate in WiS. if you don't want combat you can stay in your cq, which is 100% safe like ship spinning. i would also expect everybody to be packing heat so they can defend themselves or gank.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.26 02:34:00 -
[3446] - Quote
I aggree the acutal quaters and ship spinning remain sacred, you go into public you should be exposed to pvp.
I however am strongly gainst actual shooty type of pvp inside stations. it just doesnt fit there.
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Cletus Graeme
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
19
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Posted - 2012.02.26 03:54:00 -
[3447] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: I disagree with this. Right now a very important aspect of the existing FiS pvp mechanics is being able to dock up in a station for safety, plain and simple. 'Nowhere in Eve is safe' or 'Eve's core gameplay is PvP' is nothing more than hogwash. As I said earlier, I can dock in station for 100% safety. Bottom line: There are a lot of various options to help safeguard my character from being destroyed while being active in FiS. I expect the same type of options for WiS.
Yes, stations are indeed currently 100% safe from FiS pvp (well NPC stations anyway - player owned outposts can be taken/lost).
What has that resulted in? Docking Games. People sit on a station and grief/gank using neutral remote repair - some even do this with a carrier! Outlaws are able to use insta-undocks and safe spots to operate out of hisec stations and avoid CONCORD while suicide ganking people. Because of the huge docking radius of Caldari stations ships are able to dock/undock repeatedly to annoy the hell out of anyone trying to camp them.
You just have to look at the current game to see that supposedly "safe" stations don't necessarily make for desirable gameplay and certainly don't prevent griefing/ganking as you suggest.
You've highlighted my exact point. When WiS arrives THIS MUST CHANGE. Why?
John McCreedy wrote:FiS and WiS should be indistinguishable from each other. It should simply be Eve Online. There is no reason why being able to get out of your capsule and wondering down to a station or even living in a station permanently if one wished, should have anything other than a positive impact on the FiS content.
As John McCreedy says WiS must be a seamless extension to FiS - not a completely different game. It's got to look and feel like EvE inside and outside the stations and that means nonconsensual pvp aswell as pve and everything else. Allowing SOME kind of pvp in stations doesn't lead directly to a free-for-all warzone. As I said, it should be an extension of the current mechanics so hisec stations would remain relatively safe compared to lowsec/null.
I'm not a fan of suicide ganking or grief play myself and currently think it's far too easy in empire but that's a separate issue which results from the current game mechanics that CCP could fix if they wanted to (It wasn't always this easy). That has very little to do with whether we should have avatar pvp in WiS or not.
Nova Fox wrote:I aggree the acutal quaters and ship spinning remain sacred, you go into public you should be exposed to pvp. I however am strongly gainst actual shooty type of pvp inside stations. it just doesnt fit there.
As to what form it should/could take - I'm open to suggestions.... What do you suggest instead?
What we don't need is a whole new arena of gameplay inside 100% safe stations so that pod pilots (we're ALL potentially pilots whether we actually choose to undock or not) decide they'd rather stay safe with WiS rather than take the risk of FiS. Such a scenario would become carebear central very quickly. We already have too many playes concentrated in empire hirsec while lowsec and nullsec remain relatively empty. The so called EvE "Exodus" never really happened! Adding WiS with only PvE content will only make this situation even worse.
Imagine JITA local with scammers/spammers who never have to undock and can operate with 100% impunity while playing poker or whatever. It doesn't even bear thinking about! Now instead imagine that (after spending some ISK and getting some Intel) you could actually find the guy who sold you a Raven advertised as a CNR and beat the crap out of him.
I know which JITA I'd prefer :) I think we'll have to agree to disagree. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.26 04:00:00 -
[3448] - Quote
Best I can come up with is playing hacking in stations as a form of pvp there should be more than that though I do welcome more forms of other underhand means of pvp in stations nothing direct something that if you are not looking for it you'll be blind sided but something easy to protect against especailly against numeration.
Now for minigame based pvp I am more than open to all forms but its has to be a contained game play sort like Mind Clash (pokemon thought controlled basiclaly) or Splittz (minmatar brawling i think it was) or more traditional forms such as poker and gambeling.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.26 08:11:00 -
[3449] - Quote
As for players doing suicide gank's in high sec and then escaping Concord, that's an exploit which should be reported asap. If it is indeed happening, then CCP needs to fix that problem asap.
High sec gate / station camping is due to broken game mechanics. Basically that's loitering and in any civilized community, those doing that would be questioned by the authorities and then told to vacate the area, if not then they would be issued a fine, then forcibly removed and possibly detained, especially in a high security environment.
As I said earlier, I'm not going to participate in WiS content if my Avatar can be ganked in high security stations, plain and simple. If that's allowed, then it's not high security. If I wanted to play a 'Free for all' FPS PvP game, I definitely wouldn't be playing Eve.
Since my main clone has implants, I'm not going to clone jump just to go check out high security WiS for 15 minutes due to a possible suicide gank on my Avatar and then wait 24 hrs to jump back into my main clone again. I'm sorry but that is unacceptable. Besides that, a high skilled character is going to pay a lot more ISK to upgrade their Medical Clone compared to a low skilled character. That alone opens up the door to having mass amounts of low skilled Avatar Attack Alt's being created.
Those saying they want non-consensual PvP action in WiS high security stations are actually advocating grief play. If allowed they would probably have a Terrorist Avatar fit up a Bomb Vest under it's Jacket and blow up half the station killing 100 Avatars all at the same time.
Sorry, I'm not paying $15 a month subscription fee to have my Avatar open to free ganking if I walk out of my CQ in a high security station. I'm sure there's a lot of other players who feel the same way.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.26 08:34:00 -
[3450] - Quote
Sorry, i am not paying $15 a month to watch a bunch of dudes lisping in a corner comparing pants and not being able to gank them. I'm sure there's a lot of other players who feel the same way.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.02.26 09:24:00 -
[3451] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Sorry, i am not paying $15 a month to watch a bunch of dudes lisping in a corner comparing pants and not being able to gank them. I'm sure there's a lot of other players who feel the same way.
So stay in your ship and stfu already. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.26 10:47:00 -
[3452] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:As for players doing suicide gank's in high sec and then escaping Concord, that's an exploit which should be reported asap. If it is indeed happening, then CCP needs to fix that problem asap.
High sec gate / station camping is due to broken game mechanics. Basically that's loitering and in any civilized community, those doing that would be questioned by the authorities and then told to vacate the area, if not then they would be issued a fine, then forcibly removed and possibly detained, especially in a high security environment.
As I said earlier, I'm not going to participate in WiS content if my Avatar can be ganked in high security stations, plain and simple. If that's allowed, then it's not high security. If I wanted to play a 'Free for all' FPS PvP game, I definitely wouldn't be playing Eve.
Since my main clone has implants, I'm not going to clone jump just to go check out high security WiS for 15 minutes due to a possible suicide gank on my Avatar and then wait 24 hrs to jump back into my main clone again. I'm sorry but that is unacceptable. Besides that, a high skilled character is going to pay a lot more ISK to upgrade their Medical Clone compared to a low skilled character. That alone opens up the door to having mass amounts of low skilled Avatar Attack Alt's being created.
Those saying they want non-consensual PvP action in WiS high security stations are actually advocating grief play. If allowed they would probably have a Terrorist Avatar fit up a Bomb Vest under it's Jacket and blow up half the station killing 100 Avatars all at the same time.
Sorry, I'm not paying $15 a month subscription fee to have my Avatar open to free ganking if I walk out of my CQ in a high security station. I'm sure there's a lot of other players who feel the same way.
When i think of WiS, I think of it as being grief-free and explicitly opposed to the current free-for-all griefing. The worst that can happen to you in a station is to be scammed and that completely must stay the same if WiS is implemented. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.02.26 11:29:00 -
[3453] - Quote
Re: DeMichael Crimson and Indahmawar Fazmarai
With you two desiring WIS to be completely kill free and a safe haven for all, you two may push players normally not interested in that aspect of the game to ~force~ CCP to parallel the FIS aspect of the game just so they can take pot shots at those targets you two are painting on your backs... |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1027
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Posted - 2012.02.26 11:37:00 -
[3454] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Sorry, i am not paying $15 a month to watch a bunch of dudes lisping in a corner comparing pants and not being able to gank them. I'm sure there's a lot of other players who feel the same way.
There's a lot more to EVE than watching a bunch of dusted lisping in a corner. There are spaceships to fly and stations to burn and alliances to destroy. You should try some of those activities: you never know just how much fun the flying in space part of EVE Online might be until you try it!
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2012.02.26 11:39:00 -
[3455] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Re: DeMichael Crimson and Indahmawar Fazmarai
With you two desiring WIS to be completely kill free and a safe haven for all, you two may push players normally not interested in that aspect of the game to ~force~ CCP to parallel the FIS aspect of the game just so they can take pot shots at those targets you two are painting on your backs...
Isn't that what they have desired all the time?? I do hope CCP is smarter than that though or they will kill EVE. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.26 11:58:00 -
[3456] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Re: DeMichael Crimson and Indahmawar Fazmarai
With you two desiring WIS to be completely kill free and a safe haven for all, you two may push players normally not interested in that aspect of the game to ~force~ CCP to parallel the FIS aspect of the game just so they can take pot shots at those targets you two are painting on your backs...
Oh, yes, we are calling upon us the wrath of tear collectors by asking CCP to keep stations the same they are now even if WiS is delivered. Otherwise griefers would not have the lesser interest to grief people in stations too and face as many retaliation and consequences as they bravely endure in FiS. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.26 12:27:00 -
[3457] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Guttripper wrote:Re: DeMichael Crimson and Indahmawar Fazmarai
With you two desiring WIS to be completely kill free and a safe haven for all, you two may push players normally not interested in that aspect of the game to ~force~ CCP to parallel the FIS aspect of the game just so they can take pot shots at those targets you two are painting on your backs... Isn't that what they have desired all the time?? I do hope CCP is smarter than that though or they will kill EVE.
First of all, both of you are completely wrong but nice try at trolling. I was talking about high security WiS and to be fair I never said make it 100% completely safe. I had previously posted a proposal pertaining to WiS high security combat which was immediately attacked. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=821588#post821588
But hey, keep twisting my statements around. The ones that will kill Eve are players like you who advocate non-consensual PvP everywhere at anytime. If CCP does make high security WiS into a 'Free for all' FPS, good luck trying to get me. However there's one thing you can count on, I'll definitely create a team of low skilled Avatar Attack Alt's which will be camping a few different CQ's.
You'll definitely be singing a different tune after your Avatars get hit a few times. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.02.26 12:42:00 -
[3458] - Quote
This thread is becoming a little long in the tooth at this stage.
The bottom line is a good balance between FIS & WIS. the following should be kept in mind.
1: EVE is supposed to be a sandbox, if indeed WIS becomes a safe haven where you can't be attacked then the sandbox is broken. if you really want to play a game where all you do is hoard crap and never use it then perhaps it's time you asked yourself, IS EVE FOR ME ?
2: FIS & WIS should be as balanced as possible, keeping in mind that this is very very hard to do. CCP should do as they have done recently, keep the community up to date as much as possible in regards to future changes, CCP also deserve the time needed to make changes work. (expect a **** up or 2 that's life)
3: FIS is indeed a little broken, i live in hope that CCP has made sure that the next expansion which will deal with the war/pvp mechanics will correct as much of this as possible.
4: WIS deserves PVP and PVE, what we don't need is WIS to be a fashion parade (THIS WILL KILL WIS !)
i'm never surprised by the supercarebear attitude of HEY, leave me alone to build my shineys, i don't want to be shot at. but hey, here's your wake up call, THIS IS EVE, PVP is a huge part of this game, you knew this when you joined, almost everyone with the i don't want to be shot or shoot at people attitude are playing the game long enough to know well that this is how EVE is. you are out numbered ! CCP are never going to create a second universe for you guys to hang out in with total peace and no worry of being shot at while you WIS or FIS.
I'll ask you who disagree to STOP trying to split EVE into 2 different games.
WIS will be a brilliant addition to the game. but it must fit into the same universe that is EVE. a place where you are never safe, safe is an illusion, safe is not a given, this is why most of us play EVE, it is not for the faint hearted. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.02.26 12:45:00 -
[3459] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Oh, yes, we are calling upon us the wrath of tear collectors by asking CCP to keep stations the same they are now even if WiS is delivered. Otherwise griefers would not have the lesser interest to grief people in stations too and face as many retaliation and consequences as they bravely endure in FiS.
So what you are asking for is a space version of the Sims?
Why wouldn't CCP release whole categories of new skills that revolve around station life? Defensive skills that boost your personal mental and physical body? Offensive skills that boost your combat effectiveness? Bodyguard skills similar to Drones that can protect you from sudden attacks? Marketing and Trading skills that allow players to build those establishments? Social skills for the mere chance to interact with infamous NPC characters in the lore history?
Then there are potentially whole avenues for manufacturing skills involving fashion design with casual, combat, and every other type of dress wear as an occasion will see fit. Or cybernetic enhancements for both defensive and offensive boosts similar to what was found in the Shadowrun universe? Personal side arms could be another whole manufacturing route too. Then the more exotic "modules" to add to your body like personal force fields as but an example.
To be completely risk aversion while being a squishy flesh form in a station goes against the core of Eve. Yes, high security stations should be safer that low or even null security "public" stations - have a similar Concord presence parallel to FIS. But to be afraid to loose _anything_ once out of the pod?
You're playing the wrong game in my humble opinion. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.02.26 12:48:00 -
[3460] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Oh, yes, we are calling upon us the wrath of tear collectors by asking CCP to keep stations the same they are now even if WiS is delivered. Otherwise griefers would not have the lesser interest to grief people in stations too and face as many retaliation and consequences as they bravely endure in FiS. So what you are asking for is a space version of the Sims? Why wouldn't CCP release whole categories of new skills that revolve around station life? Defensive skills that boost your personal mental and physical body? Offensive skills that boost your combat effectiveness? Bodyguard skills similar to Drones that can protect you from sudden attacks? Marketing and Trading skills that allow players to build those establishments? Social skills for the mere chance to interact with infamous NPC characters in the lore history? Then there are potentially whole avenues for manufacturing skills involving fashion design with casual, combat, and every other type of dress wear as an occasion will see fit. Or cybernetic enhancements for both defensive and offensive boosts similar to what was found in the Shadowrun universe? Personal side arms could be another whole manufacturing route too. Then the more exotic "modules" to add to your body like personal force fields as but an example. To be completely risk aversion while being a squishy flesh form in a station goes against the core of Eve. Yes, high security stations should be safer that low or even null security "public" stations - have a similar Concord presence parallel to FIS. But to be afraid to loose _anything_ once out of the pod? You're playing the wrong game in my humble opinion.
well said +1 |
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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
291
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Posted - 2012.02.26 13:13:00 -
[3461] - Quote
Because if we have a concord system in a high sec station then some idiots would at some point try to use weapons to suicide people.
From that point it is not far to imagine some idiots , well probably a few goons, firing AoE weapons in a station environment while wearing a self crafted towel on their head and screaming something about god.
From this point it could get CCP into legal trouble, at the very least the teen-rating for EVE would be removed and at worst it could result in a ban in several countries. I would not want to go down that route. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.02.26 13:15:00 -
[3462] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:First of all, both of you are completely wrong but nice try at trolling. I was talking about high security WiS and to be fair I never said make it 100% completely safe.
And then previously you wrote (with minor snipping):
DeMichael Crimson wrote:As I said earlier, I'm not going to participate in WiS content if my Avatar can be ganked in high security stations, plain and simple. If that's allowed, then it's not high security.
Since my main clone has implants, I'm not going to clone jump just to go check out high security WiS for 15 minutes due to a possible suicide gank on my Avatar and then wait 24 hrs to jump back into my main clone again.
Those saying they want non-consensual PvP action in WiS high security stations are actually advocating grief play.
Sorry, I'm not paying $15 a month subscription fee to have my Avatar open to free ganking if I walk out of my CQ in a high security station. I'm sure there's a lot of other players who feel the same way.
So you state earlier that getting ganked in high security stations is not high security, but then call me a troll and state you never said to have it 100% completely safe? Are you advocating to have consensual player versus player combat in high security stations? Perhaps CCP should extend this train of thought into FIS too, since I am pretty sure my casual mining girlfriend would not mind worrying about loosing her Hulk in high security space. And "I'm sure there's a lot of other players who feel the same way."
In some backwaters high security Minmatar station.
Standing crisply at DeMichael's docking station, Guttripper begins, "DeMichael you old chap, since you accused me of trolling, we should have a friendly duel, ten paces with flint pistols!" he states, adjusting his collar to his (Nex store bought) Victorian dress suit.
Defying all laws of time and space, DeMichael goes from pod to clothing instantly. "Not today kind sir, for I raided a grand old exploration site and wish to sell my new found goods within my established high security store front." he replies, presenting a manifest of his cargo hold full of modules.
Reviewing the list and nodding in agreement, Guttripper continues, "Oh, good fortunes to you then! Have a good day and fly safe! Cheerio!" as he turns and walks off into the gank-free safe station.
Yep, Eve is dying with or without WIS in any way, shape, or form. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.26 13:17:00 -
[3463] - Quote
No weapons in WiS. It must be forbidden in WiS by CONCORD and we would be scanned every time we enter public area. IF there must be the way to kill person that would be personal attacks - brake a neck of person or male attack. AND it have to be much more heavy sanctioned then in space. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.02.26 13:30:00 -
[3464] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:No weapons in WiS. It must be forbidden in WiS by CONCORD and we would be scanned every time we enter public area. IF there must be the way to kill person that would be personal attacks - brake a neck of person or male attack. AND it have to be much more heavy sanctioned then in space.
Meanwhile, CONCORD has no harbored guilty feelings about destroying your suicidal ship, potentially killing hundreds, if not thousands of nameless crew members following a quite safely immortal entity's orders who is then allowed to freely leave the death and destruction behind to continue his or her potential wrath of carnage... |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.26 14:56:00 -
[3465] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Oh, yes, we are calling upon us the wrath of tear collectors by asking CCP to keep stations the same they are now even if WiS is delivered. Otherwise griefers would not have the lesser interest to grief people in stations too and face as many retaliation and consequences as they bravely endure in FiS. So what you are asking for is a space version of the Sims? Why wouldn't CCP release whole categories of new skills that revolve around station life? Defensive skills that boost your personal mental and physical body? Offensive skills that boost your combat effectiveness? Bodyguard skills similar to Drones that can protect you from sudden attacks? Marketing and Trading skills that allow players to build those establishments? Social skills for the mere chance to interact with infamous NPC characters in the lore history? Then there are potentially whole avenues for manufacturing skills involving fashion design with casual, combat, and every other type of dress wear as an occasion will see fit. Or cybernetic enhancements for both defensive and offensive boosts similar to what was found in the Shadowrun universe? Personal side arms could be another whole manufacturing route too. Then the more exotic "modules" to add to your body like personal force fields as but an example. To be completely risk aversion while being a squishy flesh form in a station goes against the core of Eve. Yes, high security stations should be safer that low or even null security "public" stations - have a similar Concord presence parallel to FIS. But to be afraid to loose _anything_ once out of the pod? You're playing the wrong game in my humble opinion.
Just for your information, stations already are a griefing-free PvP arena. i want them to stay that way even if our avatars walk around like immortal demigods who would absolutely genocide anyone threatening their precious immortal life and would also put a shot into an enemy's clone if they were as much as allowed to. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.26 16:18:00 -
[3466] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:No weapons in WiS. It must be forbidden in WiS by CONCORD and we would be scanned every time we enter public area. IF there must be the way to kill person that would be personal attacks - brake a neck of person or male attack. AND it have to be much more heavy sanctioned then in space. Meanwhile, CONCORD has no harbored guilty feelings about destroying your suicidal ship, potentially killing hundreds, if not thousands of nameless crew members following a quite safely immortal entity's orders who is then allowed to freely leave the death and destruction behind to continue his or her potential wrath of carnage...
so? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
368
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Posted - 2012.02.26 16:27:00 -
[3467] - Quote
I'll be NOT worrying about this at all till I see Skillbooks for Karate, Knives and Handguns.
"Grenade Skill allows 1000m greater tossing distance per level." OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.26 16:42:00 -
[3468] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:No weapons in WiS. It must be forbidden in WiS by CONCORD and we would be scanned every time we enter public area. IF there must be the way to kill person that would be personal attacks - brake a neck of person or male attack. AND it have to be much more heavy sanctioned then in space. what's a male attack? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Anderron Shi
1st MC
16
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Posted - 2012.02.26 16:47:00 -
[3469] - Quote
The development team is certainly on the right track, especially when saying things like "we decided to scale down development of avatar based gameplay and focus the bulk of our feature teams on spaceships." If you are only playing EVE because of the possibility that you'll be walking in a station in the future, please find a new game. This game is about spaceships. Keep WiS on the "slow burn", CCP. Actually, I think the game'd be better off if you threw the concept in the trash altogether. Get some! |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.26 16:56:00 -
[3470] - Quote
Anderron Shi wrote:The development team is certainly on the right track, especially when saying things like "we decided to scale down development of avatar based gameplay and focus the bulk of our feature teams on spaceships." If you are only playing EVE because of the possibility that you'll be walking in a station in the future, please find a new game. This game is about spaceships. Keep WiS on the "slow burn", CCP. Actually, I think the game'd be better off if you threw the concept in the trash altogether.
It would be better if we threw you in the trash. Eve is Sci-Fi simulator - i think that ppl who created EVE know what they created. If you want spaceship flight simulator, go find another game, because EVE is not what are you looking for. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.26 16:56:00 -
[3471] - Quote
remember the eve forever or eve a future vision trailer where that chick shoots the guy dead? 1. that guy would wake up in his clone "welp i shoulda been hiding in my cq" 2. if it was in a hisec station, security drones or whatever would shredded that girl immediately after aggression. she would wake up in her clone and say "capping that a-hole was totally worth it".
that is how wis should be, not your "male attack" petting zoo. being in a safe zone would limit your game functions to the very basic. the cq is the equivalent of ship spinning. you shall not be allowed to lisp without risk. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.26 16:59:00 -
[3472] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:No weapons in WiS. It must be forbidden in WiS by CONCORD and we would be scanned every time we enter public area. IF there must be the way to kill person that would be personal attacks - brake a neck of person or male attack. AND it have to be much more heavy sanctioned then in space. what's a male attack?
All attacks where you must be close to the victim: stab, punch, throw (victim), brake (something on victim), daze... Or, is short, opposite of ranged attacks. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.26 17:09:00 -
[3473] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:remember the eve forever or eve a future vision trailer where that chick shoots the guy dead? 1. that guy would wake up in his clone "welp i shoulda been hiding in my cq" 2. if it was in a hisec station, security drones or whatever would shredded that girl immediately after aggression. she would wake up in her clone and say "capping that a-hole was totally worth it".
that is how wis should be, not your "male attack" petting zoo. being in a safe zone would limit your game functions to the very basic. the cq is the equivalent of ship spinning. you shall not be allowed to lisp without risk.
First: I am for male attacks (not range) so that you can defend yourself and that you are safer in the group.
Second: Stabbing or braking neck is petting to you?
Third: CONCORD knows that attacker is POD pilot and that death means nothing to him so there must be heavier punishment. And in the space if you have good tank, you are safe till concord comes in hi-sec, in person one shot and you are dead so there must be some extreme punishment after your death because you don't have a chance to survive attack. If they implement it your way - stations would be less secure then space and that's no good because then in station would have to be more money to earn then in space (risk - reward). So something must be radical.
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Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.02.26 17:35:00 -
[3474] - Quote
Any Oblivion players here ? I have two words for CCP GÇ£Construction Set GÇ£!!!!!
I started playing oblivion way back , finished the game GǪand discovered the construction set . I played oblivion for two months GǪthat construction set kept me busy for two years lol I had no GǣmoddingGǥ experience at all and ended up creating a world almost the same size as the real game and so did about a 1000 other players. The end result was CONTENT (and I mean from clothes , dancing , food , monsters , new combat systems GǪup to blow jobs ! The skins or meshes the players developed was like 100% better than the original game.
This construction set put Bethesda on the world map .Now if CCP can knock on some doors and develop a construction set for the Eve player base we will create enough content to fill an entire universe in no time. CCP should brief the community on what they want (lets say an outpost interior hall) and let the community develop it. It will spread like wild fire !!!Do competitions etc for the best designs etc.
Just an ideaGǪbut very possible and if you donGÇÖt believe me have a look for yourself http://tes.nexusmods.com . This kid started a oblivion mod website a few years ago and now has 3,420,339 members. Imagine what CCP can do ! and we create our own universe
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.26 17:43:00 -
[3475] - Quote
ok my comment was more directed at Demichael Crimson, who wanted 100% safe hisec wis environment for lisping without risk. i agree killing people in hisec stations should have consequences but no more than podding in hisec space. hopefully team avatar will be able to devise adequate mechanics of attack/defense/evasion for all participants of the wis sandbox. and i imagine that is what they are doing now with prototyping gameplay.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.02.26 17:45:00 -
[3476] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:Guttripper wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:No weapons in WiS. It must be forbidden in WiS by CONCORD and we would be scanned every time we enter public area. IF there must be the way to kill person that would be personal attacks - brake a neck of person or male attack. AND it have to be much more heavy sanctioned then in space. Meanwhile, CONCORD has no harbored guilty feelings about destroying your suicidal ship, potentially killing hundreds, if not thousands of nameless crew members following a quite safely immortal entity's orders who is then allowed to freely leave the death and destruction behind to continue his or her potential wrath of carnage... so?
Since you seem to be so callous to the plight of mere mortals, perhaps you will be judged guilty of being a serial killer by these same ~lesser~ people and need to be removed in their minds.
There could be the up-close and personal brute attack of having your meat body thrown through an establishment's wall. Unfortunately the wall was made of a cinder block and steel alloy combination and held while your meat body did not survive, even with those fancy Nex store clothing styles. (or)
A long range sniper attack using a plasma bolt Gauss rifle - nice and clean for the shooter but quite a mess for the local janitors to clean and sanitize. (or)
The impersonal attack of poisoning the alcoholic drinks of your player owned bar or tavern, causing the remaining patrons or surviving family members to rend your meat body for being so careless.
Of course, being an immortal, these moments are but mere setbacks unless:
As your electrical brain wave scan enters your clone body, someone "accidentally" grounded your lower half of your clone corpse onto the metallic station floor, causing the same brain wave scan to be dispersed across the station and thus lost. (or)
The embalming fluid used to preserve your clone was replaced with hydrochloric acid, and thus when you are then reanimated, the acid eats your flesh alive. (or)
Someone hacks into the local station drones to snatch your cloning chamber from its roost once it is animated. While it will be held together by Minmatar technology known as duct tape, these drones will jettison your chamber into a slow, but descending orbit around the nearest star.
Just think of all the fun and games people could have if the sandbox aspect of Eve stretched through walking in stations! And after reading Captain Africa's post about potentially modding the whole universe, my sarcastic ideas over brutal deaths suddenly could be the tip of the iceberg! |
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.02.26 19:47:00 -
[3477] - Quote
CCP and for now instead of docking up all by your lonesome walking around pointless in the captains quarters, why not at least give us a npc? I mean FFS I turn a few billion a month surely I should have a PA (personal assistant ) to look after some of my interests. I mean , lets say you could buy a lev 1 clone that could do a,b and c. A lev 2 clone can do a,b,c and d etc. Oh and of course you create your own npc avatar clone through character customization.
Get some service providers in game that links with your NPC PA. You give your PA instructions and pay a premium for the service like . GÇóRefuling your pos ..the lower the security of system the more you pay GǪ GÇóBuying items on contract outside your region GǪ GÇóOrdering boosters through your PA GÇóPlacing of recruitment ads (the bigger or more impressive ads cost more ) and you can only do it through your PA GǪ GÇóYour PA negotiate standings with other npc corps.and can improve or screw your standings by % margin. GÇóYour PA can give you stats on your personal accomplishments for the week or month or that of your corp. Like a financial breakdown. GÇóLet her notify you when you get storylines to do GǪ GÇóMake her wear a new outfit everyday GǪ.(like a weekly wardrobe ). GÇóInformation goes a long way in Eve ...put a prise tag on information and let it manifest through your pa ....Maybe let her monitor the market for you GǪlike sharp item increases or decreases.
I mean the list can go on GǪGǪand on. Im not just talking about eye candy here but real interaction that is functional to the player GǪ |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.02.26 19:58:00 -
[3478] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:remember the eve forever or eve a future vision trailer where that chick shoots the guy dead? 1. that guy would wake up in his clone "welp i shoulda been hiding in my cq" 2. if it was in a hisec station, security drones or whatever would shredded that girl immediately after aggression. she would wake up in her clone and say "capping that a-hole was totally worth it".
that is how wis should be, not your "male attack" petting zoo. being in a safe zone would limit your game functions to the very basic. the cq is the equivalent of ship spinning. you shall not be allowed to lisp without risk. Totally agree that WiS should have the same risk as FiS when it comes to PvP. Only place you should be safe is in your CQ. I don't see why they cant develope the same security zone type policing for stations as they have for space. However I would hope that these security zones are within each station rather than mimicing the space the station is on. Riskier areas on the station brining more risk yet more chance of making isk.
WiS needs to be the avatar version of FiS as much as possible.
I know it would be way in the future, but imagin incursions happening on stations as well as in space. Maybe you find some faction mob lurking in one of the low-sec areas of the station, terminate him for whatever it is he may be carring.
Oh, and btw, did y'all mean "Melee attacks", because "male attack" sounds like a kick to the groin or something, and I dont want that. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.26 20:19:00 -
[3479] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote: Oh, and btw, did y'all mean "Melee attacks", because "male attack" sounds like a kick to the groin or something, and I dont want that.
Ok, my bad... Every person wrote that word differently and i didn't check whats write spelling.
but... a kick to the groin... why not? I am a gal... i like to do that to guys... |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:32:00 -
[3480] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I'll be NOT worrying about this at all till I see Skillbooks for Karate, Knives and Handguns.
"Grenade Skill allows 1000m greater tossing distance per level."
MMA fights in EVE. I want to be new EVEs Cro Cop |
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:35:00 -
[3481] - Quote
p.s. I am not so the lover of dying in stations. But i would love MMA fights. |
Triscuitich
9
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:05:00 -
[3482] - Quote
You know, Skyrim is out know which is a TES game also and has a construction set. I haven't gotten into modding yet though, but people seem to be having fun.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:18:00 -
[3483] - Quote
Saw something I can agree with.
Each station have its high mid and low sections ect.
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Absolution222
Segmentum Solar NEM3SIS.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:32:00 -
[3484] - Quote
Hey guys
want to throw a quick idea out to the community.
firstly MASS EFFECT ships need to learn from eve, because dreadnoughts in mass effect are just disappointing
To my actual point i would like feedback from the community on a potential change up to ship combat.
My POINT? - i believe that ships in eve are a little under powered. i.e. i believe that ships should should have one major change brought about.
THIS IS THE ABILITY TO ENGAGE MULTIPLE KINDS OF TARGETS
my idea?
take a BS for example - most bs have 6-8 hardpoints for large weapons. Now based on which weapons have been chosen you are either predominantly long or short range with the exception of some missles........ not really an in between at all (thats worth while). this means that a smaller ship may have the opportunity to come along a gank you. i.e. short range hurricane vs long range bs .
Give the ships in eve, especially the big ships some kind of secondary line of defense against smaller targets. Especially BS. i would add a second completely separate group of hardpoints to mount small to medium weapons. this means as well as the main armament of primary hardpoints - there would be a secondary a lot of hardpoints for medium to small weapons. In my mind i would be imagining about four to five, but there role would be specifically designed to engage smaller ships.
This could be handled by sacrificing a low slot for a certain mod that would provide the extra p-grid/cpu
i.e the fit in my mind
PVP maelstrom
8 x 800 autos 5 x 220/425 autos
tank
lows 2xgyros 1x tracking enh 1x DC 1x (special mod)
To me this makes more sense and in my opinion empowers the word BATTLESHIP. My reasoning behind this is that look at every other sci-fi universe and a battleship/battle cruiser/cruiser/frigate are able to do multiple roles including engagement of a variety of targets. ESPECIALLY BATTLESHIPS. When i think BS i think of a vessel capable of engaging anything with a variety of weapons.
this principle could be filtered down through all of the ships in eve. i.e a cane
6 x 425 auto 4/5 x 200 autos
mids
lows with one sacrificed to allow for that special mod
anyway its just an idea that i had to make things in eve a little more realistic i guess in terms of common sense.
cheers for the feedback - tear it to shreads if you must, its the point of this forum.
Abso
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
17
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Posted - 2012.02.27 01:22:00 -
[3485] - Quote
I love the new walking station upgrade but never the less i dont need it but this will improve the game "socials" more like all the other standerd mmorpg out there. People love to hang out with othere people just to make fun /dance /silly or just to put off some fancy clothes. And people not forget what do you think people are easyer to hang out with you just to fly some rats or farming some missions because many players ignore chat because its easy to ignore it.
Even you hate the "wow" concept in eve this is just not a easy task but this will increase players to "social" and the new players are easyer to "learn or hang out in game" Because jumping running and make fun is the best way to social with out foks out there. Typing or chatting is not the way to "express your needs" .. Yah for me english is not the best way. So for that iam with CCP |
Adrodius
Grand Solar Trinity Surely You're Joking
7
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Posted - 2012.02.27 03:38:00 -
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I want to walk in station !!!
I really want to walk in corporation station , that would be so awesome !!!
A timespending ability when not doing anything in space ^^ |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.27 03:59:00 -
[3487] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:So you state earlier that getting ganked in high security stations is not high security, but then call me a troll and state you never said to have it 100% completely safe? Are you advocating to have consensual player versus player combat in high security stations? Perhaps CCP should extend this train of thought into FIS too, since I am pretty sure my casual mining girlfriend would not mind worrying about loosing her Hulk in high security space. And "I'm sure there's a lot of other players who feel the same way." A bunch of sarcastic 'yada, yada, yada'
Guttripper, I said nice try at trolling, I never called you a troll but after seeing this latest bit of sarcasm from you, yeah the shoe definitely fits. By the way, learn to read and stop twisting my statements around to justify your reason for wanting to gank Avatars in high security WiS instead of going to low or null security to do it.
This is for you and the few other players who are suffering from 'selective reading disorder'.
I said high security WiS should have FPS PvP Concord sanctioned Arenas for all the players who want to do a 'Free for all' rootin tootin shoot em up game. Of course that would mean a level playing field where everyone involved has equal chance and abilities.
Seems this idea doesn't appeal to you or a few others who would much rather just do suicide ganks. Well, I had also proposed making assassination a specialized career path based on a percent chance of success due to level of skill and implants installed. I also stated that another skill set, implants, etc would be needed to help safeguard players as a counter measure.
Obviously you decided to bypass that.
Well, I'm done with this crap. I sincerely hope CCP does make high security WiS into non-consensual PvP action. My main character won't be participating but I'll definitely create a team of low skilled Avatar Attack Alts that will camp out certain CQ's and repeatedly suicide gank specific players. This 'Vendetta List' isn't grief play, it's just commonly referred to as non-consensual PvP.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.02.27 04:22:00 -
[3488] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: stuff
Why don't you just come out and admit that you are just risk adverse and want all of WIS to be a PVE environment? That's all you have ever done, so it's completely understandable that's what you want WIS to be.
PVP "arenas" exist in WOW and other crappy games that are NOT EVE. Why do you want to turn EVE into one of those?
No one here wants to sanction "free ganks". That's just you reading-in your own risk aversion play-style.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Anderron Shi
1st MC
16
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Posted - 2012.02.27 04:23:00 -
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Elanor Vega wrote:Anderron Shi wrote:The development team is certainly on the right track, especially when saying things like "we decided to scale down development of avatar based gameplay and focus the bulk of our feature teams on spaceships." If you are only playing EVE because of the possibility that you'll be walking in a station in the future, please find a new game. This game is about spaceships. Keep WiS on the "slow burn", CCP. Actually, I think the game'd be better off if you threw the concept in the trash altogether. It would be better if we threw you in the trash. Eve is Sci-Fi simulator - i think that ppl who created EVE know what they created. If you want spaceship flight simulator, go find another game, because EVE is not what are you looking for. Ok, you must be a roleplayer. You haven't been in combat since 5/16/10? Is this your alt hi sec toon?
Edit:Here's your schedule, ducks. Get some! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.27 06:38:00 -
[3490] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
Why don't you just come out and admit that you are just risk adverse and want all of WIS to be a PVE environment? That's all you have ever done, so it's completely understandable that's what you want WIS to be.
PVP "arenas" exist in WOW and other crappy games that are NOT EVE. Why do you want to turn EVE into one of those?
No one here wants to sanction "free ganks". That's just you reading-in your own risk aversion play-style.
Gawd you fail badly. Why don't you check your facts before posting incorrect statements about what I think or how I play this game. Actually, how I play this game is none of your business and I won't be arsed into agreeing with your load of crap. Besides that, you have no room to talk.
Obviously you're not involved with anything other than trolling these forums with an alt. Your character has been in NPC starter corp since it was created on 2007.03.26. Your character has no KillBoard record whatsoever and neutral security status meaning it doesn't do anything in-game.
Quit hiding, grow a pair and post with your main character. Better yet, why don't you just go back to that game you keep mentioning and quit stalking me.
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Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.02.27 06:55:00 -
[3491] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Seems this idea doesn't appeal to you or a few others who would much rather just do suicide ganks. Well, I had also proposed making assassination a specialized career path based on a percent chance of success due to level of skill and implants installed. I also stated that another skill set, implants, etc would be needed to help safeguard players as a counter measure.
That could work as individuals who chose to gank and chose to explicitly avoid ganking would suffer penalties that other players would be free from (opportunity cost). I still am a big believer that pve components of WIS should have player interaction of a competitive nature. The market wars/price manipulations/scams we see in our current game should be translated across new pve fields in WIS. |
RealaiX
Yard Industries Seventh Heaven
2
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Posted - 2012.02.27 11:31:00 -
[3492] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Everyone knows the forum posters are the vocal minority, there are lots of players that never even come here. and with some of the regular posters, i wouldn't blame them. if someone doesnt like your idea or opinion you get the trendy "Get Out" or "Leave my game alone" or whatever the troll/flamer feels like spouting off because they really just have narrow minds and think that they are the supreme know it alls and "OMGWHYDOESNTCCPHIREMETOHELPTHEMDEVELOPTHEIRGAMETOMYLIKINGSWTFBBQSAUZEIOWN" there are a lot of players with different play styles and varying different views on FIS/WIS. Like the decision has to be ONE over the OTHER, nope absolutely cannot be BOTH.
CCP should do the smart thing, survey their subscribers/non-subscribers. I wouldn't rely on trolls for my information on what the players want. all the naysayers are buddies anyways, and they will just swarm here to counter your idea or suggestion just to pummel you with negativity, then say "look CCP, see, we don't want this!"
I am happy just to see the EVE Devs working on EVE, a game that I subscribe to with 4 accounts. I'm not playing for WOD and I'm not playing for DUST. In the end, if i see progress in EVE, whether or not it suits my game play preferences, I am happy none the less.
indeed ! i was just about to write down something like this...
i cant understand why there are so much troll/flamers especially against carebears or players who want WIS !
for the note: i never played a RPG but i know that i want WIS in EVE because i know both sides... pvp and beeing a carebear ! and who wouldnt enjoy playing a round of poker while camped at a station in times of war or at your pos waiting for orcasupport, fleeting up or something ? |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1040
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:04:00 -
[3493] - Quote
RealaiX wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Everyone knows the forum posters are the vocal minority, there are lots of players that never even come here. and with some of the regular posters, i wouldn't blame them. if someone doesnt like your idea or opinion you get the trendy "Get Out" or "Leave my game alone" or whatever the troll/flamer feels like spouting off because they really just have narrow minds and think that they are the supreme know it alls and "OMGWHYDOESNTCCPHIREMETOHELPTHEMDEVELOPTHEIRGAMETOMYLIKINGSWTFBBQSAUZEIOWN" there are a lot of players with different play styles and varying different views on FIS/WIS. Like the decision has to be ONE over the OTHER, nope absolutely cannot be BOTH.
CCP should do the smart thing, survey their subscribers/non-subscribers. I wouldn't rely on trolls for my information on what the players want. all the naysayers are buddies anyways, and they will just swarm here to counter your idea or suggestion just to pummel you with negativity, then say "look CCP, see, we don't want this!"
I am happy just to see the EVE Devs working on EVE, a game that I subscribe to with 4 accounts. I'm not playing for WOD and I'm not playing for DUST. In the end, if i see progress in EVE, whether or not it suits my game play preferences, I am happy none the less. indeed ! i was just about to write down something like this... i cant understand why there are so much troll/flamers especially against carebears or players who want WIS ! for the note: i never played a RPG but i know that i want WIS in EVE because i know both sides... pvp and beeing a carebear ! and who wouldnt enjoy playing a round of poker while camped at a station in times of war or at your pos waiting for orcasupport, fleeting up or something ? WIS can be good, but as I've said few times already - there has to be something for the alliances and corporations to compete and earn for.
As general guideline I thought about upgradeable corporation and alliance headquarters visible to other players. AUR should be made tradeable between players and it should be used as primary payment method for such upgrades. This would give corps/alliances goals to reach and everyone could participate.
Upgrades mentioned above should be real. Not just face lifts like new furniture or new mirror. There should be additional rooms like briefing room, war room, private bar, private poker (games) room and so on. Obviously plenty of face lift items should be available for customizing every room.
In the end all NEW developers involved should get their salaries through the AURum sales and this wouldn't be avay from the FIS development. Item/room prices/selection should scale with single corporations and big alliances. Obviously biggest entities like goons would be ready to pay top AURum for totally pimped ally HQ and keep upgrading it always when new stuff arrives. Also many small 20 man corps would probably be happy to set goals to upgrade their corp HQ with some items or even private bar. Default basic corp/alliance quarters should be really plain... like 1 desk, 1 chair and plain corp logo above the DOOR.
This is WIS and PAY TO PLAY content what I can approve. Paying as group it much more fun than paying alone, specially if there is something to gain for all :)
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.02.27 14:04:00 -
[3494] - Quote
I tried to say this yesterday but the forums ate my well typed and articulated response and I did not feel like typing it again. But...here goes...
PvP in WiS can be done quite easily if CCP want's to spend the time to do it. I have mentioned this before either in this thread or another...not sure.
First off put in a 3rd person shooter aspect to it. DUST has the 1st person shooter covered so do 3rd person in EvE. Then put a use to it such as a requirement to go into a station and accomplish certain goals in order to take it. Tie it into the SOV system. This can also be done with the DUST guys but not both at the same time. One or the other.
When it comes to PvE and PvP in the stations and not tying into SOV the stations themselves can be broken down into teirs of security just like space is. High sec has sentry guns and police to roflpwn the ganker and help protect people. Piracy and ganking still possible...just riskier to do. Low sec has sentry guns but no police and Zero sec has nothing to protect you.
With that set up properly you can have missions given in station to perform in the various areas and rewards to compensate accordingly.
There you go...PvP in stations along with PvE. 3rd person shooter action like in Mass Effect would be perfect for this type of play considering what you are controlling and how the current controls work. You now have "meaning" to WiS for both the casual missioner and the PvPer. Bounty Hunting could also easily be worked into all of this.
Edit: For the record the forum ate this post too...yay for me and copy/paste. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:06:00 -
[3495] - Quote
The recent discussions continue to confirm that there is player interest in ambulation!
CCP, please realize this needs more that a skeleton crew. Before the space pants/barbie trolls jump in, I'm not asking to shut down FiS (in fact anyone following my CSM efforts knows I want lots of developers working on FIS content, Mining in particular) but the size of the team working on this is too small!
One other thing, I agree that at some point there should be some places where you ambulate that have risks, the best ideas I've heard seem to the graduated levels of security proposal. Putting my SciFi imaginati-designer-cap (tm) on, it would make sense to me that there would places in station where no weapons are allowed and then other places where sneaky folk slip about and places where bad men would slit your throat because they think you look funny. So I'd be fine with something like that.
Finally, I promised not to bring the CSM elections up here but I think we need someone on the CSM that vigorously supports ambulation. I'd ask anyone that wants more attention to ambulation to ask all the CSM candidates where they stand on ambulation and make sure you vote for the candidate that looks most like to continue to pressure CCP to deliver this much needed feature!
Issler |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:24:00 -
[3496] - Quote
I was more of suggesting security zones WITHIN a station.
Nice mall park avenue areas high sec. Low sec dungey red light disctrics. And slum null secs spots.
Of course not every statoin as all these but Im sure Jita 4-4 has a slums in it with that amount of people in it.
Like your gambeling bars where cheating would be allowed if you had the guile for it at the card games would be found in low or lower.
Blackmarket in slums and the sorts.
While your best clothing stores would be in high sec with legit games.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:30:00 -
[3497] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:The recent discussions continue to confirm that there is player interest in ambulation!
CCP, please realize this needs more that a skeleton crew. Before the space pants/barbie trolls jump in, I'm not asking to shut down FiS (in fact anyone following my CSM efforts knows I want lots of developers working on FIS content, Mining in particular) but the size of the team working on this is too small!
One other thing, I agree that at some point there should be some places where you ambulate that have risks, the best ideas I've heard seem to the graduated levels of security proposal. Putting my SciFi imaginati-designer-cap (tm) on, it would make sense to me that there would places in station where no weapons are allowed and then other places where sneaky folk slip about and places where bad men would slit your throat because they think you look funny. So I'd be fine with something like that.
Finally, I promised not to bring the CSM elections up here but I think we need someone on the CSM that vigorously supports ambulation. I'd ask anyone that wants more attention to ambulation to ask all the CSM candidates where they stand on ambulation and make sure you vote for the candidate that looks most like to continue to pressure CCP to deliver this much needed feature!
Issler I agree that more than a skeleton crew is needed for WiS developement but not till after they know what the hell they are going to do with it. Right now they seem to be more focused on "let's get an idea going that he players like". Obviously there is more interest in WiS than not. This does not mean blindly making stuff that may or may not be appreciated by the community and wasting massive amounts of time and effort on something that may very well cause a lot of rage. What it does mean is use a small team to redesign and gather ideas to present to the players for an idea of what should be implemented and what would be appreciated by the community before devoting resources to it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:39:00 -
[3498] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The recent discussions continue to confirm that there is player interest in ambulation!
CCP, please realize this needs more that a skeleton crew. Before the space pants/barbie trolls jump in, I'm not asking to shut down FiS (in fact anyone following my CSM efforts knows I want lots of developers working on FIS content, Mining in particular) but the size of the team working on this is too small!
One other thing, I agree that at some point there should be some places where you ambulate that have risks, the best ideas I've heard seem to the graduated levels of security proposal. Putting my SciFi imaginati-designer-cap (tm) on, it would make sense to me that there would places in station where no weapons are allowed and then other places where sneaky folk slip about and places where bad men would slit your throat because they think you look funny. So I'd be fine with something like that.
Finally, I promised not to bring the CSM elections up here but I think we need someone on the CSM that vigorously supports ambulation. I'd ask anyone that wants more attention to ambulation to ask all the CSM candidates where they stand on ambulation and make sure you vote for the candidate that looks most like to continue to pressure CCP to deliver this much needed feature!
Issler I agree that more than a skeleton crew is needed for WiS developement but not till after they know what the hell they are going to do with it. Right now they seem to be more focused on "let's get an idea going that he players like". Obviously there is more interest in WiS than not. This does not mean blindly making stuff that may or may not be appreciated by the community and wasting massive amounts of time and effort on something that may very well cause a lot of rage. What it does mean is use a small team to redesign and gather ideas to present to the players for an idea of what should be implemented and what would be appreciated by the community before devoting resources to it.
I agree, get the concepts in place then deliver, but the team could be bigger than it is even at this stage. Basically you have folks that maintain what is in place and very little bandwidth for design, in particular, prototyping to test ideas.
So lets get the team the resources to get those first ideas in place sooner rather than later. To me based on my software development experience that feels like more like 8 to 10 rather than 5 and they must be allowed to be 100% focused on ambulation and not shared working on other feature areas.
Issler
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:43:00 -
[3499] - Quote
Some 15 female sleeve tattoos has been added to SiSi. Neither which is matching anything in game.
I really hope some kind of proper art direction will happen, soon. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:00:00 -
[3500] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I agree that more than a skeleton crew is needed for WiS developement but not till after they know what the hell they are going to do with it. Right now they seem to be more focused on "let's get an idea going that he players like". Obviously there is more interest in WiS than not. This does not mean blindly making stuff that may or may not be appreciated by the community and wasting massive amounts of time and effort on something that may very well cause a lot of rage. What it does mean is use a small team to redesign and gather ideas to present to the players for an idea of what should be implemented and what would be appreciated by the community before devoting resources to it. But didn't CCP present examples of WIS in action that many people really liked before the whole was gutted to be a glorified overpriced fashion store?
It probably has been mentioned in this thread already, but what is the relationship between CCP working on World of Darkness and Walking in Stations? That is, are the two projects being created together with only a change in graphics? Is WIS the test bed for WOD? Or WOD gets the green light first and WIS is the knock-off? Perhaps part of the reason CCP seems vague about WIS is they are still attempting to get WOD to work correctly under a heavy load. So until they get a working prototype running and then fleshed out with some progress, WIS may be a long wait.
But unless I am mistaken, isn't WOD being created as a pay to win, or at least pay for knick-knacks? While I have mentioned it a few times in this thread and it gets glossed over, perhaps CCP is rethinking how to make WIS a viable pay to win addition without the backlash of the first version. The wounds of their grand marketing idea to follow other games are still fresh and so they might be quiet and vague to let time heal that potentially fatal blow. Since they either have pro marketing data (or at least someone blowing enough hot air) that such a direction is a viable route, CCP might be in think tank mode in hopes of finding the right answer to combine both a pay to win and a subscription base gaming system. Hell, they're taking a gamble with Dust on a different platform being intermingled, so such an expanded gaming system is not that far of a stretch to consider from them.
Or CCP might be attempting to reinvent the wheel once again and that takes time so they have their own avatar backbone code in place.
On a different note - DMC - relax man. You're sounding childish with some of your replies. |
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Jerec Bratt
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.02.28 08:15:00 -
[3501] - Quote
Well, what I think pretty much everyone would be happy about would be a PVE environment in-station.
First thing to do is scaling down the polycounts on these models and zooming the camera out. Yeah, sure, you put so much effort in these models being awesome, and they are too. But if I wanted to produce a cool game feature really fast, I'd of think getting 2 people on the team figuring out how to implement Level Of Detail models on the avatars, and then get the camera far away from the avatar, so it gets small and low detail.
With less details on the model we'll get less boiling motherboards when a couple of NPCs show up. And then you get a team of Level Designers creating like 20 large interior blocks that can be arranged into random levels and spawn mobs there. Yeah, someone will have to write an AI at this point too. Players will get missions, spawn in these random instances and run around shooting these NPCs like crazy, and best part is, that if they die, they just wake up in the station's cloning bay. And if you get more people on the team you can even create something like Storybricks (google it, it's an AWESOME IDEA) to make the instances more story-aligned.
I don't really care as much for the polish of the avatars - sure you (CCP) want it to be top-shelf material, but as far as gameplay goes, a really small (diablo3-like) model in an ass-large interior running and shooting stuff, while sightseeing cool station interior spaces (cloning tanks, concord docking bays, ship cargoholds) would be a dream-come-true for most of the players.
And please notice, that I am talking PVE here, which means that during this 'mission' the player is in an instanced random encounter, so that you (CCP) won't have to figure out all the complexities of coop/pvp gameplay, and the player will play with no jacks ninja-warping in on him. Frankly, this is very much a half-feature, BUT you already got the whole WiS as a half-feature. I bet replacing CQ with/or simply adding on top of CQ an instanced PVE game would generate a hell of a lot of newcomers.
And it's not hard to figure out, that PVE instances would reward players with ISK and PVE related items. It's not hard to figure out, that it can tie to the rest of the game by providing modules that are not-PVE realted, or even providing locations to instanced missions (you killed a mob on station and now you know where their base is). It's not hard to figure out that you'd have to have a clone ready for this type of encounters, beacause it would be really sad to lose those implants in a fight aboard a station. Optional cheap Battleclones, for on-station use only could peobably make an entry. It figures you'd have to have character designers modelling dogs, slaves, escaped clones, Sansha's cyborgs and all other opponents. It figures, that you'd probably want to make it possible one day to make this a coop/PVP thing, which would require the feature to be prepared for mass player overload. The option for a single player to storm another player's/corp hangar protected by corp merc NPCs and/or Concord guards stays open, as it would run on the same frame with some minor tweaks (but I wouldn't go there, really).
Removing the PVP aspect is what can make it easy for you to implement this type of thang while not removing all the fun of killing stuff AND letting a new player immerse in the wonderful world of EVE Online more than anytime before.
Food for thought. |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:02:00 -
[3502] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:The recent discussions continue to confirm that there is player interest in ambulation!
CCP, please realize this needs more that a skeleton crew. Before the space pants/barbie trolls jump in, I'm not asking to shut down FiS (in fact anyone following my CSM efforts knows I want lots of developers working on FIS content, Mining in particular) but the size of the team working on this is too small!
One other thing, I agree that at some point there should be some places where you ambulate that have risks, the best ideas I've heard seem to the graduated levels of security proposal. Putting my SciFi imaginati-designer-cap (tm) on, it would make sense to me that there would places in station where no weapons are allowed and then other places where sneaky folk slip about and places where bad men would slit your throat because they think you look funny. So I'd be fine with something like that.
Finally, I promised not to bring the CSM elections up here but I think we need someone on the CSM that vigorously supports ambulation. I'd ask anyone that wants more attention to ambulation to ask all the CSM candidates where they stand on ambulation and make sure you vote for the candidate that looks most like to continue to pressure CCP to deliver this much needed feature!
Issler
I agree with you. WiS must become part of EVE and it must have its real dev team and not only few peoples. And now we can really see that WiS have many many supporters.
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Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:03:00 -
[3503] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:I was more of suggesting security zones WITHIN a station.
Nice mall park avenue areas high sec. Low sec dungey red light disctrics. And slum null secs spots.
Of course not every statoin as all these but Im sure Jita 4-4 has a slums in it with that amount of people in it.
Like your gambeling bars where cheating would be allowed if you had the guile for it at the card games would be found in low or lower.
Blackmarket in slums and the sorts.
While your best clothing stores would be in high sec with legit games.
I really like this idea. This way every person have what it wants in every station. But, there must be some influence based on where, in space, station is. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:46:00 -
[3504] - Quote
team avatar is not exactly a skeleton crew, they have 2 high-rankers a creative director, and a senior game designer.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:58:00 -
[3505] - Quote
Interesting discussion, but premature.
Let's just get the damn door open and then hash out the details.
Personally, I look forward to the day I can t-bag some schumk I just ganked in a dark hallway, but for now I'd simply be happy to take a walk and enjoy the environment.
One baby step at a time, guys.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:21:00 -
[3506] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Interesting discussion, but premature. Let's just get the damn door open and then hash out the details. Personally, I look forward to the day I can t-bag some schumk I just ganked in a dark hallway, but for now I'd simply be happy to take a walk and enjoy the environment. One baby step at a time, guys. Mr Epeen You wanna do that then we are going to need the ability to squat...not to mention run. That is probably the most irritating thing right now about WiS. Lack of basic and obvious functionality and control.
Not to mention no boobie bounce...discussion on this high level topic can be found HERE! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Cletus Graeme
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
19
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:43:00 -
[3507] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:No weapons in WiS. It must be forbidden in WiS by CONCORD and we would be scanned every time we enter public area. IF there must be the way to kill person that would be personal attacks - brake a neck of person or male attack. AND it have to be much more heavy sanctioned then in space. what's a male attack?
I think he means "melee" |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
621
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:51:00 -
[3508] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Gawd you fail badly. Why don't you check your facts before posting incorrect statements about what I think or how I play this game. Actually, how I play this game is none of your business and I won't be arsed into agreeing with your load of crap. Besides that, you have no room to talk.
Obviously you're not involved with anything other than trolling these forums with an alt. Your character has been in NPC starter corp since it was created on 2007.03.26. Your character has no KillBoard record whatsoever and neutral security status meaning it doesn't do anything in-game.
Quit hiding, grow a pair and post with your main character. Better yet, why don't you just go back to that game you keep mentioning and quit stalking me.
How many ad hominems can we see in this post, children? Monoclegate: because calling it 'Doorgate' would just be silly. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:45:00 -
[3509] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
Why don't you just come out and admit that you are just risk adverse and want all of WIS to be a PVE environment? That's all you have ever done, so it's completely understandable that's what you want WIS to be.
PVP "arenas" exist in WOW and other crappy games that are NOT EVE. Why do you want to turn EVE into one of those?
No one here wants to sanction "free ganks". That's just you reading-in your own risk aversion play-style.
Gawd you fail badly. Why don't you check your facts before posting incorrect statements about what I think or how I play this game. Actually, how I play this game is none of your business and I won't be arsed into agreeing with your load of crap. Besides that, you have no room to talk. Obviously you're not involved with anything other than trolling these forums with an alt. Your character has been in NPC starter corp since it was created on 2007.03.26. Your character has no KillBoard record whatsoever and neutral security status meaning it doesn't do anything in-game. Quit hiding, grow a pair and post with your main character. Better yet, why don't you just go back to that game you keep mentioning and quit stalking me. Just block him bro. He isn't worth it. I have. The trolls on these forums are pretty bad. I have had to block several of them. Makes life easier not reading the crap that spews from them. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
426
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Posted - 2012.02.28 19:05:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:team avatar is not exactly a skeleton crew, they have 2 high-rankers a creative director, and a senior game designer.
Or more commonly known as a pre-production crew. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.28 19:45:00 -
[3511] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:team avatar is not exactly a skeleton crew, they have 2 high-rankers a creative director, and a senior game designer.
But are they 100% focused on ambulation? I suspect not. And they need some dev and art resources to prototype some of their better ideas.
One other thing is I believe the majority of folks in Eve would be happy with something simple to start, just to see CCP is taking ambulation seriously. Let's not make the mistake of waiting till we have something massive and perfect before we players see any change in ambulation. You will never get it perfect on the first try, its the old software engineering waffle rule, you always throw the first one away, so matter how hard they try the first one will not be perfect.
Issler |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:54:00 -
[3512] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:team avatar is not exactly a skeleton crew, they have 2 high-rankers a creative director, and a senior game designer.
But are they 100% focused on ambulation? I suspect not. And they need some dev and art resources to prototype some of their better ideas. One other thing is I believe the majority of folks in Eve would be happy with something simple to start, just to see CCP is taking ambulation seriously. Let's not make the mistake of waiting till we have something massive and perfect before we players see any change in ambulation. You will never get it perfect on the first try, its the old software engineering waffle rule, you always throw the first one away, so matter how hard they try the first one will not be perfect. Issler
I already pointed how they don't take any small steps now but promise to be working on a longer leap in the future. Which means that they (CCP) are not really invested into doing anything for WiS now. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:13:00 -
[3513] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
How many ad hominems can we see in this post, children?
Eleanor Roosevelt wrote:Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 21:32:00 -
[3514] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:team avatar is not exactly a skeleton crew, they have 2 high-rankers a creative director, and a senior game designer.
But are they 100% focused on ambulation? I suspect not. And they need some dev and art resources to prototype some of their better ideas. One other thing is I believe the majority of folks in Eve would be happy with something simple to start, just to see CCP is taking ambulation seriously. Let's not make the mistake of waiting till we have something massive and perfect before we players see any change in ambulation. You will never get it perfect on the first try, its the old software engineering waffle rule, you always throw the first one away, so matter how hard they try the first one will not be perfect. Issler I believe it was stated that Team Avatar was specifically for iteration and further developement of WiS content. I would suspect that this is their focus and priority but I would not expect that it is the only thing they are working on at the moment with the overall focus of CCP being on FiS and core content.
I could be wrong but that is how I see it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Dasquirrel715
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
17
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Posted - 2012.02.29 04:35:00 -
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Soren Cassion wrote: The danger of WiS would be that there may be things in stations that you can't do from your pod. IMO, that would be very bad. Eve is a game about FiS and you don't want to alienate the space gamer (the core population in Eve) by making game-affecting content exist somewhere that they don't want to be.
FYI, that already exists and is the way EVE is. There's plenty of stuff some people like to do that others don't and can't stand. For instance, market manipulation, and mining are all things that a relatively select population enjoys.
The key is that WiS must be a choice. If CCP forces us to go into stations in order to do things that are necessary for game play, then it becomes a problem. If, however, you can choose not to participate in WiS and the only thing you lose is another avenue of making ISK, then WiS is fine. Simply put, don't make it mandatory and it is cool. If however it doesn't really influence the game at all (doesn't create market demand or social or pvp opportunities) then it is a useless feature. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:44:00 -
[3516] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:team avatar is not exactly a skeleton crew, they have 2 high-rankers a creative director, and a senior game designer.
Or more commonly known as a pre-production crew.
It would be pre-production crew that they don't need to do other stuff. Like maintain whats already in game and do other non pre-production things. So, actually they do everything else more then pre-production and planing. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:51:00 -
[3517] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:team avatar is not exactly a skeleton crew, they have 2 high-rankers a creative director, and a senior game designer.
Or more commonly known as a pre-production crew. It would be pre-production crew that they don't need to do other stuff. Like maintain whats already in game and do other non pre-production things. So, actually they do everything else more then pre-production and planing.
That is my worry, it isn't clear how much of their attention is on that planning and brainstorming and how much is nonsense like sleeve tattoos and NeX store eye candy.
Issler Dainze The Pro-Ambulation CSM 7 Candidate |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:04:00 -
[3518] - Quote
You cant have 40 people trying to balance the falcon thats not how game development works. Certainly cant shove people into bottlenecks they're not designed to work in either for example one of eves largest cited bottlenecks is art work. Not all of 200 ccp employees are artists.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:40:00 -
[3519] - Quote
I seem to remember an article that said CCP had 50 people working on WoD. I assume Team Avatar talks to them, and will use their multi-player technology when it becomes available. So the Eve team should not be working on making multi-player environments work, that is already being done by others. Team Avatar should be concentrating on just those aspects unique to Eve. And that needs fewer people.
So there are many, many more than 5 people at CCP working on Avatars. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.03.01 01:55:00 -
[3520] - Quote
I was disapointed by the Incarna dev blog. I was really hoping for a video of multiple avatars in the one environment to show that it is indeed possible I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.03.01 12:25:00 -
[3521] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:I seem to remember an article that said CCP had 50 people working on WoD. I assume Team Avatar talks to them, and will use their multi-player technology when it becomes available. So the Eve team should not be working on making multi-player environments work, that is already being done by others. Team Avatar should be concentrating on just those aspects unique to Eve. And that needs fewer people.
So there are many, many more than 5 people at CCP working on Avatars.
There is 60 ppl working on WoD. But that is preproduction team (real preproduction team in contrary to team Avatar) so they don't develop tech further. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.03.01 13:17:00 -
[3522] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
But are they 100% focused on ambulation? I suspect not. And they need some dev and art resources to prototype some of their better ideas.
they already got the resources before and we got CQ and NEX dress ya dolly shite store.
Issler Dainze wrote:
One other thing is I believe the majority of folks in Eve would be happy with something simple to start
dear lord we already got the simple ( CQ )
Issler Dainze wrote:
Let's not make the mistake of waiting till we have something massive and perfect before we players see any change in ambulation.
NO let's wait ! testing testing testing,,,, this is what sisi is for, you may want crap tested on you in tranq, i'm positive most of us don't !
Issler Dainze wrote:
You will never get it perfect on the first try, its the old software engineering waffle rule, you always throw the first one away, so matter how hard they try the first one will not be perfect.
they already did the first time, and it crapped itself, the first one was shite.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.01 13:57:00 -
[3523] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Blah blah blah while quoting stuff...
You clearly know what you are talking about. You should run for CSM. You know how to fix EvE and give everybody exactly what they want. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.03.01 15:32:00 -
[3524] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Blah blah blah while quoting stuff...
You clearly know what you are talking about. You should run for CSM. You know how to fix EvE and give everybody exactly what they want.
You didn't know? Everybody are the smartest. But only in theirs little world in which they live all alone. But some ppl don't know the boundaries of theirs little world. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:23:00 -
[3525] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Blah blah blah while quoting stuff...
You clearly know what you are talking about. You should run for CSM. You know how to fix EvE and give everybody exactly what they want.
Lol let him first read the whole thread again, maybe he can come up with some new troll comments. Not the same sentences that are put in here over and over again.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:03:00 -
[3526] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Blah blah blah while quoting stuff...
You clearly know what you are talking about. You should run for CSM. You know how to fix EvE and give everybody exactly what they want. Lol let him first read the whole thread again, maybe he can come up with some new troll comments. Not the same sentences that are put in here over and over again. I know, I know...I think I am just in a bad mood this morning. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Arem Caslgate
Radiant Technologies Sanctuary Pact
4
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:58:00 -
[3527] - Quote
Karadion wrote: I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment.
That's because they after a decade of talking about walk in stations (I looked up an article I first saw for the date), showing us bars and such at fan fest years ago only made stations a place to walk in! We were hoping for more than a just walking in clothing new feature. Please do plan more for stations, but something that involves an activity with isk, or socially. I'm glad to see it looks like more of the teams are actually producing content that's being released now, though its hard to tell as a player.
Looking forward to more ship warfare and awesome, and also doing more than walking, in stations.
Arem
P.S. Not trying to stir up an old thread, just throwing my cents in the bucket. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.01 19:20:00 -
[3528] - Quote
Arem Caslgate wrote:Karadion wrote: I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment.
That's because they after a decade of talking about walk in stations (I looked up an article I first saw for the date), showing us bars and such at fan fest years ago only made stations a place to walk in! We were hoping for more than a just walking in clothing new feature. Please do plan more for stations, but something that involves an activity with isk, or socially. I'm glad to see it looks like more of the teams are actually producing content that's being released now, though its hard to tell as a player. Looking forward to more ship warfare and awesome, and also doing more than walking, in stations. Arem P.S. Not trying to stir up an old thread, just throwing my cents in the bucket.
You are welcome
It is said many times in this thread ,the old fanfest ambulation videos were from an already existing game engine CCP decided to make one of their own ,somewhere after that vid CCP only forgot to tell the customer ,that they couldn,t deliver anymore
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.03.01 22:30:00 -
[3529] - Quote
Arem Caslgate wrote:Karadion wrote: I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment.
That's because they after a decade of talking about walk in stations (I looked up an article I first saw for the date), showing us bars and such at fan fest years ago only made stations a place to walk in! We were hoping for more than a just walking in clothing new feature. Please do plan more for stations, but something that involves an activity with isk, or socially. I'm glad to see it looks like more of the teams are actually producing content that's being released now, though its hard to tell as a player. Looking forward to more ship warfare and awesome, and also doing more than walking, in stations. Arem P.S. Not trying to stir up an old thread, just throwing my cents in the bucket.
This is not and old thread, this is actual, ongoing thread. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.01 23:16:00 -
[3530] - Quote
Yeah this thread rarely leaves the front page. And for good reason! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.02 03:17:00 -
[3531] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Yeah this thread rarely leaves the front page. And for good reason!
Too bad we have to wait until fanfest ,to hear ,if its a good reason for CCP too. I think CCP will wait until then ,with good info on new stuff ,ideas and visions FIS or WIS related
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.03.02 04:21:00 -
[3532] - Quote
I would be great if Team Avatar were to organise a virtual roundtable so that players who are passionate about WiS, but are unable to attend fanfest, are still able to contribute. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.02 06:28:00 -
[3533] - Quote
Would be nice but I highly doubt CCP will have much to show or say. I think it'll mainly be more of CCP asking 'What do you envision for WiS'? |
Marquris Rova
Sonic Jihad
2
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Posted - 2012.03.02 11:25:00 -
[3534] - Quote
I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development.
I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all. |
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.02 11:32:00 -
[3535] - Quote
Personally another avenue I would like to see Walk in stations go is MACHINES (Mercs) & Robots. You have your avatar thatGÇÖs all good and well with their social interaction and bling walking around doing pointless ....stuff. For me that is a nice to have but WHAT WE NEED IS A FREEKEN ROBOT YOU CAN GET INTO AND SHOOT SOME ****! NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL EVE IN PROGRESS! Keep it inline with Eve culture, machines you can fly with and now machines that you can walk with ...all with their appropriate tiers and mods. Third person !
High sec is a no war zone in stations ...but you need to go and save the damsel in distress , so you shoot the baddies outside the outpost in dead space and now time to rock and roll! First you need to disable station security so you shoot it into structure ,dock and jump into your MKM931 (Mean Killing Machine ) you fit Autos with Fusion check if your shield resist are the right ones and plug the key kard into the door . Whaboom the door opens .....your auto cannons start smoking ...as the projectile shells bounces off the floor ...The environment inside the stations are hostile since the airlocks have been breached ..so everyone is either dead or in a sealed airtight chamber or ...... in a robot (Merc ) shooting back at u .
Same Scenario with Low sec ...keep it NPC orientated...
Now with 0.0 in order to take over a station you have to dock up and take over some strategic areas with your fleet. The defenders obviously need to defend that area . Everything happens in (Mercs) inside the station.
Imagine your Tengu equipped with a merc docking at a sleeper station in a wormhole....everything is just scary and you donGÇÖt have a clue what type of alien will be jumping at you around the next corner, but you and your small crew keeps on pushing through the dark alley ...with blue and purple lights flashing through the thick smoke ..... or is it fog? All you can hear is your fellow mercs steps crushing down on the floor...and then... all hell breaks loose!
I think MIS (Machines in station ) will be a more viable option than individual avatars doing combat for the obvious reason ...you only have to cater for a few models , so less stress in terms of pixels and data transfer ( my attempt at being a nerd lol).
Keep it real guys !!!Get into a MERC and leave the meat bags down at dusty planets where they belong |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.02 13:52:00 -
[3536] - Quote
Marquris Rova wrote:I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development.
I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all. The problem is...those of us that want WiS developement don't mind that they focus on FiS but the moment they shift even the smallest amount of focus to WiS the FiS babies start stomping their feet, shooting at statues, opening hundreds of QQ threads and start unsubbing because they think they aren't getting enough of their way in EvE. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Marquris Rova
Sonic Jihad
2
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Posted - 2012.03.02 14:33:00 -
[3537] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Marquris Rova wrote:I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development.
I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all. The problem is...those of us that want WiS developement don't mind that they focus on FiS but the moment they shift even the smallest amount of focus to WiS the FiS babies start stomping their feet, shooting at statues, opening hundreds of QQ threads and start unsubbing because they think they aren't getting enough of their way in EvE.
Then we just need to make noise :) Well I supposed that this topic has consistently been on the first page is a pretty good development, no need to shoot at statues...
As long as they continue to improve and add new content to FIS while adding some minor additions to WiS, i think that's alright.
Crucible adds 3 new CQs for WiS but because a crap ton of features and improvements were done for FiS, no one cares enough to rage. So keep doing that, CCP :) You don't have to be soo afraid as long as you keep your priorities balanced out... |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.03.02 17:05:00 -
[3538] - Quote
Marquris Rova wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Marquris Rova wrote:I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development.
I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all. The problem is...those of us that want WiS developement don't mind that they focus on FiS but the moment they shift even the smallest amount of focus to WiS the FiS babies start stomping their feet, shooting at statues, opening hundreds of QQ threads and start unsubbing because they think they aren't getting enough of their way in EvE. Then we just need to make noise :) Well I supposed that this topic has consistently been on the first page is a pretty good development, no need to shoot at statues... As long as they continue to improve and add new content to FIS while adding some minor additions to WiS, i think that's alright. Crucible adds 3 new CQs for WiS but because a crap ton of features and improvements were done for FiS, no one cares enough to rage. So keep doing that, CCP :) You don't have to be soo afraid as long as you keep your priorities balanced out...
Minor additions to WiS??? That will only make ppl to get mad and leave because they are waiting for WiS for years now And anty WiSers will have new argument because of "spending time for nothing important" |
Myll'Enna
HELMCORE HELM Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.02 18:25:00 -
[3539] - Quote
Improving the scope of the game, being able to walk-in-stations and interact at the avatar level is going to improve the immersive factors of the game and allow for more intrigue and interaction. So I'm all for it.
Station Office Quarters bombing: An idea regarding "station games" that has been bandied about at times in our corp and alliance is intended to circumvent the frustration of griefers who play docking games to escape combat. We think it would be pretty cool and add to the game play if we could hack into a captain's quarters/hangar and plant explosive devices that force players to undock or have their stuff blown up and ejected form the station into space.
This would add some avatar skills: hacking; demolition; sabotage etc. so that one could force an undock.
Such a feature would give corporations and others being griefed additional options to deal with griefers who run for cover and are then essentially unable to be engaged by a superior force. Some limitations might be put in place such as:
1. Time limitation/restriction: bombs can't be placed for 30-60 minutes.
2. Once the bomb is armed it starts a countdown and alarm that warns both the sabotage team and the CQ occupants.
3. Bomb is disarmed by undocking if one has the bomb disposal skill.
4. Undocking in response to a bomb threat means you cannot dock for 3 times as long as the regular timer.
5. Logging when a bomb is active detonates the bomb and ejects the bomb victim's stuff (or a percentage thereof) into space for the station bomb squad to retrieve (i.e. the avatar who planted the bomb can collect the loot from a named can).
Just an idea that could add to the fun and options for players dealing with hisec griefers who up until implementation have been able to get away with docking. Might need some more consideration but would at least give all players some additional options that lead to more PVP.
Do I want WiS? Yes!
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.03.02 18:36:00 -
[3540] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Blah blah blah while quoting stuff...
You clearly know what you are talking about. You should run for CSM. You know how to fix EvE and give everybody exactly what they want.
you clearly know how to use quote bbcode, but fail to actualy quote what i say, nor have you anything positive to say, so away troll, don't you have a bridge to be under somewhere. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.03.02 18:42:00 -
[3541] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Blah blah blah while quoting stuff...
You clearly know what you are talking about. You should run for CSM. You know how to fix EvE and give everybody exactly what they want. Lol let him first read the whole thread again, maybe he can come up with some new troll comments. Not the same sentences that are put in here over and over again.
what troll comments ? i was being serious.
anyway this thread is repeating itself since around page 50, the above 2 posters should stop holding hands and start bringing something to the discussion.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.03.02 18:44:00 -
[3542] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Marquris Rova wrote:I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development.
I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all. The problem is...those of us that want WiS developement don't mind that they focus on FiS but the moment they shift even the smallest amount of focus to WiS the FiS babies start stomping their feet, shooting at statues, opening hundreds of QQ threads and start unsubbing because they think they aren't getting enough of their way in EvE.
FiS babies ????
that's a lot of people mate, this is a FiS game with the potenial of WiS, undock idiots it's a huge galaxy. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.02 19:45:00 -
[3543] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Marquris Rova wrote:I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development.
I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all. The problem is...those of us that want WiS developement don't mind that they focus on FiS but the moment they shift even the smallest amount of focus to WiS the FiS babies start stomping their feet, shooting at statues, opening hundreds of QQ threads and start unsubbing because they think they aren't getting enough of their way in EvE. FiS babies ???? that's a lot of people mate, this is a FiS game with the potenial of WiS, undock idiots it's a huge galaxy. Not really...the people who want nothing but FiS and refuse to accept WiS of any kind are very few of the total players in EvE but they seem to be VERY vocal. Hence...babies. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:49:00 -
[3544] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Marquris Rova wrote:I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development.
I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all. The problem is...those of us that want WiS developement don't mind that they focus on FiS but the moment they shift even the smallest amount of focus to WiS the FiS babies start stomping their feet, shooting at statues, opening hundreds of QQ threads and start unsubbing because they think they aren't getting enough of their way in EvE. FiS babies ???? that's a lot of people mate, this is a FiS game with the potenial of WiS, undock idiots it's a huge galaxy. Not really...the people who want nothing but FiS and refuse to accept WiS of any kind are very few of the total players in EvE but they seem to be VERY vocal. Hence...babies.
as long i don,t have to change the diaper s,the babies can be as vocal as they want I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:59:00 -
[3545] - Quote
People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space?
*sigh*
It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.02 23:16:00 -
[3546] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space? *sigh* It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game. Mr Epeen Yay! And by simulate we mean realistic breast physics as well right? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.03 02:09:00 -
[3547] - Quote
I say we form up a massive fleet of Guardians, get a proper cap chain going and rep the Jita 4-4 statue so CCP can put it back to the way it was. All in the name of improving WiS! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.03 03:38:00 -
[3548] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I say we form up a massive fleet of Guardians, get a proper cap chain going and rep the Jita 4-4 statue so CCP can put it back to the way it was. All in the name of improving WiS!
You should definitely get on that ASAP, all 12 of you.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.03.03 04:06:00 -
[3549] - Quote
Drop dem panties! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.03 04:56:00 -
[3550] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space? *sigh* It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game. Mr Epeen do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
300
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 05:41:00 -
[3551] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other?
Cause customized paint jobs for ships is somehow different? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 06:29:00 -
[3552] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other?
Cause customized paint jobs for ships is somehow different? what do ships do in fleets and what do avatars do in stations in the game eve online? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.03 06:55:00 -
[3553] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space? *sigh* It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game. Mr Epeen do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other?
Why are all the current goons so obsessed with pants, when I was in the goons pants hardly ever were discussed!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.03 07:18:00 -
[3554] - Quote
lol you was in the goons? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.03 10:08:00 -
[3555] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space? *sigh* It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game. Mr Epeen do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other?
lol there he is again you really must love emoting bc its in every sentence you make in this thread ,Taiwanistan.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.03.03 10:12:00 -
[3556] - Quote
Somone please kill this thread before it evolves and develops speech! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.03 10:17:00 -
[3557] - Quote
Ann133566 wrote:Somone please kill this thread before it evolves and develops speech!
confirming , i saw this thread walking down the street and saying hello to everybody.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
103
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Posted - 2012.03.03 11:28:00 -
[3558] - Quote
My 2 pence is divide stations up into High low and null sec, implement black market smuggling and make stations integral to it.
Implement bounty hunting, give us guns in stations and let me hunt a bounty target out of my ship.
All the things you can imagine in a a scifi game in space implement that.
People miss what WiS is. WiS is the bravest and most ambitious thing you could see in a game online.
Yes it was implemented badly, and yes people saw it as a WOD test, however think of it another way round. What if WOD was going to pay for a fully intergrated (and create the tech for) an entirly new level of game play for us. A world populated by people who dont want to fly ships but are attracted to a different game and we end up in a living brreathing virtual reality.
Yep some people cant see beyond monacles and bad implemtation to what WiS actually be. Between Dust, WiS, FiS and I'm guessing on some level aerospace/interface pilots you have all of somthing i would call LiS or Living in space.
The problem is in this finacial market it will be tough to actually get the resources all in place and develop more for Eve, somthing that we all pay for as customers. I think the trick will be keeping us happy and developing somthing that if it works is a genuinly world genre changing game and actualy somthing that isn't WOW.
Im sure someone will poo poo this, but hey intelligent discusion of potential isn't for everyone is it?
By the way i dont want to own a space station flower shop i want to sell a crate of guns to a space station flower shop, then phone CONCORD and get a reward for informing on a confused Sims player who gets arrested and fined for gun running :P |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.03 12:04:00 -
[3559] - Quote
Elson Tamar wrote:My 2 pence is divide stations up into High low and null sec, implement black market smuggling and make stations integral to it.
Implement bounty hunting, give us guns in stations and let me hunt a bounty target out of my ship.
All the things you can imagine in a a scifi game in space implement that.
People miss what WiS is. WiS is the bravest and most ambitious thing you could see in a game online.
Yes it was implemented badly, and yes people saw it as a WOD test, however think of it another way round. What if WOD was going to pay for a fully intergrated (and create the tech for) an entirly new level of game play for us. A world populated by people who dont want to fly ships but are attracted to a different game and we end up in a living brreathing virtual reality.
Yep some people cant see beyond monacles and bad implemtation to what WiS actually be. Between Dust, WiS, FiS and I'm guessing on some level aerospace/interface pilots you have all of somthing i would call LiS or Living in space.
The problem is in this finacial market it will be tough to actually get the resources all in place and develop more for Eve, somthing that we all pay for as customers. I think the trick will be keeping us happy and developing somthing that if it works is a genuinly world genre changing game and actualy somthing that isn't WOW.
Im sure someone will poo poo this, but hey intelligent discusion of potential isn't for everyone is it?
By the way i dont want to own a space station flower shop i want to sell a crate of guns to a space station flower shop, then phone CONCORD and get a reward for informing on a confused Sims player who gets arrested and fined for gun running :P it's not us haters that cannot see beyond the crap, it is team avatar's lack of vision, did you read their latest dev blog? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.03.03 12:54:00 -
[3560] - Quote
How to see that person in this thread is a anti-WiS troller without any facts to support their comments? All their comments are not longer then one (max two) line. And in all thread, all their posts are the same few sentences in different modulations.
For proofs - look above. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.03 14:01:00 -
[3561] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space? *sigh* It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game. Mr Epeen do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other?
Spent quite a while in front of the mirror to get your avatar photo just right didn't you.
Show you're not a whiny hypocrite begging for attention and trying to be noticed by the important goons. Login. Go to the mirror and hit random a few times. Then get back to us.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:10:00 -
[3562] - Quote
heh, guilty as charged, trolling, might as well troll whilst lookin good. looks like you are part of the crowd, bunch of lispers wanting desperately to compare pants and emote each other?
you and slit eyes issler, signing posts, heh
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:29:00 -
[3563] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:heh, guilty as charged, trolling, might as well troll whilst lookin good. looks like you are part of the crowd, bunch of lispers wanting desperately to compare pants and emote each other?
you and slit eyes issler, signing posts, heh
Angry barbie is angry.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 18:20:00 -
[3564] - Quote
it's an uphill battle, heavy is the goon's burden to help just one person from being a emoting lisper, to help just one person from signing posts trying to make a difference, doing god's work sometimes i get weary, and yes, angry One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Jita Alt666
950
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:30:00 -
[3565] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space? *sigh* It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game. Mr Epeen do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other? Why are all the current goons so obsessed with pants, when I was in the goons pants hardly ever were discussed! Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
What alt did you have in goons? Was it a goon alt or a member corp alt? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:01:00 -
[3566] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:it's an uphill battle, heavy is the goon's burden to help just one person from being a emoting lisper, to help just one person from signing posts trying to make a difference, doing god's work sometimes i get weary, and yes, angry
don,t need to be angry m8 ,just emote your feelings to us I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:28:00 -
[3567] - Quote
Pants in goonswarm, oh my?
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:08:00 -
[3568] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:it's an uphill battle, heavy is the goon's burden to help just one person from being a emoting lisper, to help just one person from signing posts trying to make a difference, doing god's work sometimes i get weary, and yes, angry
Just exactly what does 'Lisper' mean anyway? I don't think it means what you think it means.
Guess you should also troll Chribba since he also 'signs' all of his posted replies.
Anyway, here's mud in your eye.
Signed by:
DMC
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:41:00 -
[3569] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Marquris Rova wrote:I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development.
I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all. The problem is...those of us that want WiS developement don't mind that they focus on FiS but the moment they shift even the smallest amount of focus to WiS the FiS babies start stomping their feet, shooting at statues, opening hundreds of QQ threads and start unsubbing because they think they aren't getting enough of their way in EvE. FiS babies ???? that's a lot of people mate, this is a FiS game with the potenial of WiS, undock idiots it's a huge galaxy. Not really...the people who want nothing but FiS and refuse to accept WiS of any kind are very few of the total players in EvE but they seem to be VERY vocal. Hence...babies.
you are ******* kidding yea ?
look tell you what, you support WiS so much i'm sure you will not mind reading back through every page and seeing just how many people are saying they want WiS, please note that most of them people love FiS. get this through your head, what people don't want is a royal **** up like CQ and NEX was. so to be clear, i get that people want WiS, But i'm sure, and i can't say i speak for everyone, but i'll take a guess that most people want WiS to be an extension of FiS.
you really think that all activity in eve (mining, markets,science,exploration,wh ops,missions) have nothing to do with PVP then you are crazy and fail to get what EVE is all about. it's a food chain, ship shoots other ship, it pops, mining, wh ops, missions, science, provides ore BPO's/BPC's, markets provide ships and mods and fuel.
rinse repeat, some may not like it but the is the nature of the beast.
if WiS creates an eviroment where people no longer need to undock, then the game will suffer. we don't want 2 different games, WiS and FiS, i ******* hate both of them acronyms, the game is called EVE.
where's a dev or a mod when ya need them,, this thread needs to be locked, it's just repeating itself. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:02:00 -
[3570] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
if WiS creates an eviroment where people no longer need to undock, then the game will suffer.
Why?
Is it that you feel if they don't have to, then they just won't undock? That's just stupid thinking. You don't need to undock now for a lot of stuff and it's been that way since day one. Here's the thing, though. Even though you need never undock to play many aspects of this game, PLENTY OF PEOPLE STILL DO!!
Why in the world you FIS only losers are so afraid of EVE becoming the true sandbox it was meant to be is beyond me.
Someone please give a coherent reason for this bizarre attitude and I will die a happy man.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
17
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:12:00 -
[3571] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I say we form up a massive fleet of Guardians, get a proper cap chain going and rep the Jita 4-4 statue so CCP can put it back to the way it was. All in the name of improving WiS! You should definitely get on that ASAP, all 12 of you.
You love to hate dont you pal. The WIS project will be deliverd as promiss and this game need some change. You think eve online will become world of warcraft? sinds when do you think like a 6 year old ati/nvidia raging fanboy? I think what ccp is doing know is pussing this game so far that we can say eve is more than a space game alone. people are always afread of change... |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:52:00 -
[3572] - Quote
Johan Civire wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I say we form up a massive fleet of Guardians, get a proper cap chain going and rep the Jita 4-4 statue so CCP can put it back to the way it was. All in the name of improving WiS! You should definitely get on that ASAP, all 12 of you. You love to hate dont you pal. The WIS project will be deliverd as promiss and this game need some change. You think eve online will become world of warcraft? sinds when do you think like a 6 year old ati/nvidia raging fanboy? I think what ccp is doing know is pussing this game so far that we can say eve is more than a space game alone. people are always afread of change...
Nope, I got no problem with WIS as long as FIS does not suffer again for :18 months: or more during WIS and emo vampire MMO side-venture development.
If CCP can create meaningful and compelling gameplay beyond vanity avatar dress-up and mini-games for WIS that fits in with FIS that actually affects the overall EVE universe, CCP will have something worth promoting and beating their chests about, and it will very likely flourish.
What I have a problem with are players who insist that WIS is a "jesus feature" that everyone wants, and who claim WIS is a panacea, and that it needs to be a PVE WoW-like playground without the same PVP risks that FIS has now.
Also, I have a problem with the daily bleating and foot-stamping in the forums that the dozen or so militant pro-WIS players have been doing since CCP's refocus on FIS because they think CCP is ignoring WIS when CCP is just trying to save their company, their livelihood, and the game we all play and enjoy now. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.03.04 04:54:00 -
[3573] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
if WiS creates an eviroment where people no longer need to undock, then the game will suffer.
Why? Is it that you feel if they don't have to, then they just won't undock? That's just stupid thinking. You don't need to undock now for a lot of stuff and it's been that way since day one. Here's the thing, though. Even though you need never undock to play many aspects of this game, PLENTY OF PEOPLE STILL DO!! Why in the world you FIS only losers are so afraid of EVE becoming the true sandbox it was meant to be is beyond me.
Someone please give a coherent reason for this bizarre attitude and I will die a happy man.
Mr Epeen because wis as of now has no meaningful gameplay, it is beyond me how some people consider a few dudes emoting each other in a room is gameplay. wis as of now is frivolous, useless, and unseemly. meaningful gameplay = you kill or get killed / you gain or lose isk or inflict isk loss on someone else / you feel compelled to invest skill training to do x more proficiently and etc. the dev posts about potential of combat, smuggling is all fine but it seems the devs are having trouble defining it and fitting it in the greater game-ecology of eve and that is ok, it takes time.
the problem is, that there people, like slit eyes isslers here who immediately replied to the dev, like some ingrate, "oh forget all that epic gameplay, it will take too long, just give us a room to emote with now." this basically means that they yet again want ccp to rush out some more useless, incomplete crap, like they learned nothing from the failures of incarna 1.0. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.04 05:02:00 -
[3574] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
if WiS creates an eviroment where people no longer need to undock, then the game will suffer.
Why? Is it that you feel if they don't have to, then they just won't undock? That's just stupid thinking. You don't need to undock now for a lot of stuff and it's been that way since day one. Here's the thing, though. Even though you need never undock to play many aspects of this game, PLENTY OF PEOPLE STILL DO!! Why in the world you FIS only losers are so afraid of EVE becoming the true sandbox it was meant to be is beyond me.
Someone please give a coherent reason for this bizarre attitude and I will die a happy man.
Mr Epeen because wis as of now has no meaningful gameplay, it is beyond me how some people consider a few dudes emoting each other in a room is gameplay. wis as of now is frivolous, useless, and unseemly. meaningful gameplay = you kill or get killed / you gain or lose isk or inflict isk loss on someone else / you feel compelled to invest skill training to do x more proficiently and etc. the dev posts about potential of combat, smuggling is all fine but it seems the devs are having trouble defining it and fitting it in the greater game-ecology of eve and that is ok, it takes time. the problem is, that there people, like slit eyes isslers here who immediately replied to the dev, like some ingrate, "oh forget all that epic gameplay, it will take too long, just give us a room to emote with now." this basically means that they yet again want ccp to rush out some more useless, incomplete crap, like they learned nothing from the failures of incarna 1.0.
Which part of coherent did you not understand?
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.03.04 06:09:00 -
[3575] - Quote
i know you like taking loads but most people wipe off their eyes before they crust over. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Zsamael
Dark Ghost Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.03.04 11:56:00 -
[3576] - Quote
Just my 14 pence... CCP we're fuly focused on bringing us WiS and "letting us out of that door" but then.. one dark night they realised they made a game about spaceships not about bears buying each other virtual drinks in virtual bars. Frankly the whole WiS thing doesn't really appeal to me at all as probably 90%+ of the time I'm out in space in a spaceship doing stuff that spacemen do!... Not walking a space barbie round in circles thinking "I wish I could open that door over there!". A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go |
Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
75
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Posted - 2012.03.04 12:28:00 -
[3577] - Quote
Quoting myself shamelessly:
Camios wrote:In my opinion me the problem of creating meaningful and replayable gameplay lies in the spaceship-centric nature of EVE. Anything related to trade, industry and spaceships can be done more efficiently from our pods, so tell me for what reason we should exit the pod. The idea of gambling is good but we can already gamble with EOH poker and such. Anything regarding social interaction can be done through chat and voice. In my opinion, apart from completely new gameplay options, people could be encouraged to exit the pod if, for example
- Exiting your pod gives a boost to the charisma attribute;
- Talking to an agent in person (face to face) could give you better standings (so that you can use better agents) or gives you a boost in LP pay;
- when contacting the LP store going there by your feet you could receive some discounts
- when talking to a broker face to face you are more likely to get a discount on market taxes
And stuff like this. Of course, when people are not in a pod they need to be fed, and here comes the importance of extablishments, food and drink.
- While you can have some benefits, staying out of the pod for long could reduce the effect of some of your skills.
- You could get less precise planetary scans,
- You might look less smart to agents and brokers and then they will be less interested in talking to you.
To recover from thie status, either you re enter your pod and slowly they will get back to normal (but you'll lose the benefit of being out of the capsule), or consume food and drink and recover instantly.
- If you offer an agent a drink you *could* get a better pay. Or if he/she's a locator agent he will hurry up to give you the results next time. Or maybe he/she *could* tell you where to find an officer spawn in the next 10 minutes. Of course the agent will just accept a drink from a person at a time, so there will be competition over that.
Player interaction can be more difficult to trigger. But I think that with a solid base of things to do, player interaction will happen around these things.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.04 17:54:00 -
[3578] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space? *sigh* It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game. Mr Epeen do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other? Why are all the current goons so obsessed with pants, when I was in the goons pants hardly ever were discussed! Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate What alt did you have in goons? Was it a goon alt or a member corp alt?
Tada O was a member of the goon alliance for about 6 months, just before the goons went to null for the first time. They were in a pretty ugly war towards the end and the then leader said corps like us were welcome to leave and come back after the war. Half of us wanted to stay and we created a second corporation to fight in the war the goons were in at the moment (The Freespacer Confederation) but most of the members of that corp were in the military and stopped playing when they were deployed.
By the time the goons had the war in hand and were making their way in null we decided to be one of the founding corps of BRUCE and we moved to Syndicate. One part of the reason we grew unhappy with BRUCE and started friction with primary BRUCE leadership is BRUCE wouldn't "blue" the goons.
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Balthizarr
Eve Engineering Explorations Eve Engineering
7
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Posted - 2012.03.04 19:04:00 -
[3579] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
I for one agrees with you,
I understand CCP's reasoning for doing a 180 from WIS to all out FIS but it would be good if they at least continued to build on the CQ they've already given us, i'm not expecting them to throw open the door to the station but it would be nice to have a few more things to interact with IE being able to lay down on the bed or put something in that allows you to choose what you want to look at on the TV instead of the continual looping feeds. Maybe allowing you to surf the web using the monitors as if your char was doing it. Just a thought.
I'm sure there will be someone that will come back saying that making these chances will wreak the game cos some dev's arn't making ships we can fly but seeing as Eve is a sandbox and not a 100% flying in space game IE WE CAN AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DOCK IN STATIONS these changes won't wreak anything, they will just give you something to play with whilst docked, something your not forced to play with as we now have a nifty little button meaning anyone not wanting to use CQ doesn't have too.
Basically people buy eve to fly ships in space and no matter how interesting they make WIS pilots will still undock so you can pod them so whats the big deal?
That arguments to kill WIS is as stupid as everyone living in high sec wanting low and Null sec took out of the game cos they never use it. Personal i thank CCP for there continued development of the game and as long as they think before they implement masive changes and like now try and add improvements across the bored, instead of fixating on one part at a time they'll always have my backing. |
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:27:00 -
[3580] - Quote
Not bad ideas. That way if you want you can stay in your pod but you will get less then person that do that same thing on foot. |
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Snowulf Romanov
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1
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Posted - 2012.03.05 02:57:00 -
[3581] - Quote
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Not bad ideas. That way if you want you can stay in your pod but you will get less then person that do that same thing on foot.
It's not a bad idea, but there would definitely need to be a way to walk/run faster than we do now. If there wasn't, most of your time would be eaten by walking around the station instead of actually doing missions. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.05 03:33:00 -
[3582] - Quote
Zsamael wrote:Just my 14 pence... CCP we're fuly focused on bringing us WiS and "letting us out of that door" but then.. one dark night they realised they made a game about spaceships not about bears buying each other virtual drinks in virtual bars. Frankly the whole WiS thing doesn't really appeal to me at all as probably 90%+ of the time I'm out in space in a spaceship doing stuff that spacemen do!... Not walking a space barbie round in circles thinking "I wish I could open that door over there!".
CCP kieron wrote: To those voicing concerns this will create tremendous amounts of lag for the players in space, is a waste of resources, etc., please keep in mind that PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base and different players enjoy different things. A number of players have asked for something along these lines since launch, and we have an opportunity to invest time in this technology for future projects.
As t0rfi stated in the blog, if this is not something you wish to take part in, you will not be forced to do so. You will still have the option to use the current interface for all station services and will not have to use the out of pod interface.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.05 03:55:00 -
[3583] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Zsamael wrote:Just my 14 pence... CCP we're fuly focused on bringing us WiS and "letting us out of that door" but then.. one dark night they realised they made a game about spaceships not about bears buying each other virtual drinks in virtual bars. Frankly the whole WiS thing doesn't really appeal to me at all as probably 90%+ of the time I'm out in space in a spaceship doing stuff that spacemen do!... Not walking a space barbie round in circles thinking "I wish I could open that door over there!". CCP kieron wrote: To those voicing concerns this will create tremendous amounts of lag for the players in space, is a waste of resources, etc., please keep in mind that PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base and different players enjoy different things. A number of players have asked for something along these lines since launch, and we have an opportunity to invest time in this technology for future projects.
As t0rfi stated in the blog, if this is not something you wish to take part in, you will not be forced to do so. You will still have the option to use the current interface for all station services and will not have to use the out of pod interface.
So, this quotation still does not back-up your "MAJORITY of EVE players" claim you keep making. It simply states a "number of players".
How many players is that exactly? What can you show us that quantifies a number?
/In before your next Ad hominem.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.05 04:03:00 -
[3584] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Zsamael wrote:Just my 14 pence... CCP we're fuly focused on bringing us WiS and "letting us out of that door" but then.. one dark night they realised they made a game about spaceships not about bears buying each other virtual drinks in virtual bars. Frankly the whole WiS thing doesn't really appeal to me at all as probably 90%+ of the time I'm out in space in a spaceship doing stuff that spacemen do!... Not walking a space barbie round in circles thinking "I wish I could open that door over there!". CCP kieron wrote: To those voicing concerns this will create tremendous amounts of lag for the players in space, is a waste of resources, etc., please keep in mind that PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base and different players enjoy different things. A number of players have asked for something along these lines since launch, and we have an opportunity to invest time in this technology for future projects.
As t0rfi stated in the blog, if this is not something you wish to take part in, you will not be forced to do so. You will still have the option to use the current interface for all station services and will not have to use the out of pod interface.
So, this quotation still does not back-up your "MAJORITY of EVE players" claim you keep making. It simply states a "number of players". How many players is that exactly? What can you show us that quantifies a number? /In before your next Ad hominem.
How about you show me a number that proves me wrong, you can't can you.
How about you stop wasting our time asking for something it would take a CCP survey to understand, realize you have no idea about numbers, all we have is impressions and make your reasoned case against ambulation. Oh, and with proof.
How about this, I've seen the number and its 72.3444456543333321346 percent in favor of Eve. Unfortunately a nondisclosure won't allow me to share the source..... so you prove me wrong.
Issler
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.05 04:22:00 -
[3585] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
How about you show me a number that proves me wrong, you can't can you.
Notwithstanding your white-knighting, I don't need to, I've never made any claims to the contrary. I've simply asked for supporting evidence for the claims made by DeMichael Crimson. This would refer to the "MAJORITY of players want WIS" assertion he keeps spouting as fact in this and other threads.
Common fallacy: proving non-existence : when an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist (e.g., prove God doesn't exist; prove UFO's haven't visited earth, etc.). The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.
As I already explained to him, it would be a very good idea if he did not want to be called-out for making stuff up, he should perhaps pose his statements as opinions in the future to avoid being asked these pesky questions that serve to illustrate he simply makes stuff up to suit his agenda. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Hai Boiz
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.05 04:59:00 -
[3586] - Quote
People like to chit chat.
They do it at home. They do it at work. And they do it in eve-o. People have been chatting in this thread alone for months and months and 170 pages.
Some like to chat while flying in space. Some like to chat while spinning their ship. I'd like to sit across from someone in a station and chat. Why would a ship spinner want to deny me that little pleasure? Let me have a guest over for a nice quaffe and a little quality conversation.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.05 04:59:00 -
[3587] - Quote
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2#59 post #58 GTFO DMC you desperate worthless lisping troll that post is from 2006, and the "optional" part about incarna didn't really work out so well did it?
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.05 06:07:00 -
[3588] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:So, this quotation still does not back-up your "MAJORITY of EVE players" claim you keep making. It simply states a "number of players".
How many players is that exactly? What can you show us that quantifies a number?
/In before your next Ad hominem. How about you show me a number that proves me wrong, you can't can you. How about you stop wasting our time asking for something it would take a CCP survey to understand, realize you have no idea about numbers, all we have is impressions and make your reasoned case against ambulation. Oh, and with proof. How about this, I've seen the number and its 72.3444456543333321346 percent in favor of Eve. Unfortunately a nondisclosure won't allow me to share the source..... so you prove me wrong. Issler
Issler, I already addressed it here. He keeps asking for exact numbers along with saying my statement is incorrect. He obviously didn't look at the links I posted and just continues beating his chest and stomping his feet crying 'Ad hominem' without providing any contrary proof to back up his accusation.
Yes that was a post from 2006 and it still holds true even today. I don't know what game you're playing but CQ is indeed optional.
By the way, that link was included with this link: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1469548
Those were posted to illustrate the general viewpoint regarding WiS Ambulation before the Summer of Rage.
Now for your attack - The only desperate worthless lisping troll around here is you. You constantly keep spouting that crap which makes me think you're nothing more than a miserable little immature homophobic pre-pubbie punk. Take your own advice and GTFO. While you're at it FO-ES-BATMAD.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.05 06:16:00 -
[3589] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Stuff
Absent a valid answer to an argument you are predictably reduced to the ad homenim again.
I have made no accusations or taken a position one way or another no matter how much you read that into my request for factual information. I have simply asked for your evidence to back up your assertions that a MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players want WIS, and you have still not provided anything other than "proving non-existence" and "ad homenim" fallacies. You did provide a couple of links to irrelevant information, but if somewhere in there it actually states that a MAJORITY of players want WIS I am just not seeing it. "A number of players" could be 1, 2, or it could be 10000. Who's to say? Not you or me. Where is your proof exactly? EVE has over 300K accounts and maybe 10% post on the forums (guessing).
Anything else you think I am doing or saying only exists in your mind. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.05 06:44:00 -
[3590] - Quote
lol nice "NO YOU" reply there lispy yeah incarna was optional when it first came out, load it or look at the door? it finally become truly optional after a tremendous amount of rage, the playerbase had to tell ccp "dong fock wit me mang". that we don't appreciate your little gestures. stop acting like nothing has changed in the viewpoints of the players/ccp management/devs on wis since 6 years ago, after the long wait, after the failures of incarna 1.0, and the summer of rage. as seen in the recent dev blog, you know the one written this year not 6 years ago,the one that says wis is on "slow burn" while them devs try to figure out some meaningful gameplay for it. so put your rocket away buddy boy i don't want to see it. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:57:00 -
[3591] - Quote
Hai Boiz wrote:People like to chit chat.
They do it at home. They do it at work. And they do it in eve-o. People have been chatting in this thread alone for months and months and 170 pages.
Some like to chat while flying in space. Some like to chat while spinning their ship. I'd like to sit across from someone in a station and chat. Why would a ship spinner want to deny me that little pleasure? Let me have a guest over for a nice quaffe and a little quality conversation.
XX
As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)
Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Qin Shi Huang
Doomheim
28
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Posted - 2012.03.05 08:23:00 -
[3592] - Quote
I'm surprised that this thread is still alive - stop beating a dead horse already. The Door is shut and bolted. . |
Jerec Bratt
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.03.05 08:34:00 -
[3593] - Quote
Quote:I'm surprised that this thread is still alive - stop beating a dead horse already. The Door is shut and bolted. Guess you failed to read the devblog on WiS. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.05 09:20:00 -
[3594] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)
Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.
heh plagiarizing my signature One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Qin Shi Huang
Doomheim
28
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Posted - 2012.03.05 09:41:00 -
[3595] - Quote
Jerec Bratt wrote:Quote:I'm surprised that this thread is still alive - stop beating a dead horse already. The Door is shut and bolted. Guess you failed to read the devblog on WiS.
DEV blogs are science fiction. I'll believe it when I see a Roadmap or the Product Backlog - alternatively the patch notes. . |
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.03.05 12:22:00 -
[3596] - Quote
Snowulf Romanov wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Not bad ideas. That way if you want you can stay in your pod but you will get less then person that do that same thing on foot. It's not a bad idea, but there would definitely need to be a way to walk/run faster than we do now. If there wasn't, most of your time would be eaten by walking around the station instead of actually doing missions.
Please NO RUNNING. It will look like WoW all ppl running around. And it is not anything like IRL. Give us something like Segway. It would look nice. And ppl would be faster. |
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.03.05 12:25:00 -
[3597] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Stuff
Absent a valid answer to an argument you are predictably reduced to the ad homenim again. I have made no accusations or taken a position one way or another no matter how much you read that into my request for factual information. I have simply asked for your evidence to back up your assertions that a MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players want WIS, and you have still not provided anything other than "proving non-existence" and "ad homenim" fallacies. You did provide a couple of links to irrelevant information, but if somewhere in there it actually states that a MAJORITY of players want WIS I am just not seeing it. "A number of players" could be 1, 2, or it could be 10000. Who's to say? Not you or me. Where is your proof exactly? EVE has over 300K accounts and maybe 10% post on the forums (guessing). Anything else you think I am doing or saying only exists in your mind.
And where is your evidence that "MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players" do not want WIS? Its easy to attack somebody without any evidence in your favor. |
Raneru
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
30
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Posted - 2012.03.05 14:05:00 -
[3598] - Quote
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Snowulf Romanov wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Not bad ideas. That way if you want you can stay in your pod but you will get less then person that do that same thing on foot. It's not a bad idea, but there would definitely need to be a way to walk/run faster than we do now. If there wasn't, most of your time would be eaten by walking around the station instead of actually doing missions. Please NO RUNNING. It will look like WoW all ppl running around. And it is not anything like IRL. Give us something like Segway. It would look nice. And ppl would be faster.
Running where running is needed I'd say. In your quarters/friendly station, no. While exploring an abandoned station in a mission and something jumps out at you, yes!
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.05 14:35:00 -
[3599] - Quote
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Stuff
Absent a valid answer to an argument you are predictably reduced to the ad homenim again. I have made no accusations or taken a position one way or another no matter how much you read that into my request for factual information. I have simply asked for your evidence to back up your assertions that a MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players want WIS, and you have still not provided anything other than "proving non-existence" and "ad homenim" fallacies. You did provide a couple of links to irrelevant information, but if somewhere in there it actually states that a MAJORITY of players want WIS I am just not seeing it. "A number of players" could be 1, 2, or it could be 10000. Who's to say? Not you or me. Where is your proof exactly? EVE has over 300K accounts and maybe 10% post on the forums (guessing). Anything else you think I am doing or saying only exists in your mind. And where is your evidence that " MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players" do not want WIS? Its easy to attack somebody without any evidence in your favor.
I don't claim to have any evidence and have not stated that is my position. I've attacked no one and have simply asked for proof, pointing out when he evades the question or spouts-off one of his typical ad hominems. I'd just like to see his evidence since he likes to lecture others so often about this supposed "majority". If he does not have any evidence, he could admit that it is his opinion and that he does not have any actual evidence and that would suffice. He made a claim, I did not. Trying to shift the burden of non-proof to others as you are now also attempting to do is a fallacy.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.03.05 20:21:00 -
[3600] - Quote
Qin Shi Huang wrote:I'm surprised that this thread is still alive - stop beating a dead horse already. The Door is shut and bolted.
You should be shut and bolted. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.05 20:40:00 -
[3601] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Stuff
Absent a valid answer to an argument you are predictably reduced to the ad homenim again. I have made no accusations or taken a position one way or another no matter how much you read that into my request for factual information. I have simply asked for your evidence to back up your assertions that a MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players want WIS, and you have still not provided anything other than "proving non-existence" and "ad homenim" fallacies. You did provide a couple of links to irrelevant information, but if somewhere in there it actually states that a MAJORITY of players want WIS I am just not seeing it. "A number of players" could be 1, 2, or it could be 10000. Who's to say? Not you or me. Where is your proof exactly? EVE has over 300K accounts and maybe 10% post on the forums (guessing). Anything else you think I am doing or saying only exists in your mind. And where is your evidence that " MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players" do not want WIS? Its easy to attack somebody without any evidence in your favor. I don't claim to have any evidence and have not stated that is my position. I've attacked no one and have simply asked for proof, pointing out when he evades the question or spouts-off one of his typical ad hominems. I'd just like to see his evidence since he likes to lecture others so often about this supposed "majority". If he does not have any evidence, he could admit that it is his opinion and that he does not have any actual evidence and that would suffice. He made a claim, I did not. Trying to shift the burden of non-proof to others as you are now also attempting to do is a fallacy.
Fine, first of all, if you are talking about me it is "she". And I'll end this once and for all.
I "BELIEVE" as do many others that the majority of Eve players would like ambulation in some form.
You can't refute what I believe so now please go away, you haven't contributed anything useful to the dialog here.
Issler
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.05 20:47:00 -
[3602] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Stuff
Absent a valid answer to an argument you are predictably reduced to the ad homenim again. I have made no accusations or taken a position one way or another no matter how much you read that into my request for factual information. I have simply asked for your evidence to back up your assertions that a MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players want WIS, and you have still not provided anything other than "proving non-existence" and "ad homenim" fallacies. You did provide a couple of links to irrelevant information, but if somewhere in there it actually states that a MAJORITY of players want WIS I am just not seeing it. "A number of players" could be 1, 2, or it could be 10000. Who's to say? Not you or me. Where is your proof exactly? EVE has over 300K accounts and maybe 10% post on the forums (guessing). Anything else you think I am doing or saying only exists in your mind. And where is your evidence that " MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players" do not want WIS? Its easy to attack somebody without any evidence in your favor. I don't claim to have any evidence and have not stated that is my position. I've attacked no one and have simply asked for proof, pointing out when he evades the question or spouts-off one of his typical ad hominems. I'd just like to see his evidence since he likes to lecture others so often about this supposed "majority". If he does not have any evidence, he could admit that it is his opinion and that he does not have any actual evidence and that would suffice. He made a claim, I did not. Trying to shift the burden of non-proof to others as you are now also attempting to do is a fallacy. Fine, first of all, if you are talking about me it is "she". And I'll end this once and for all. I "BELIEVE" as do many others that the majority of Eve players would like ambulation in some form. You can't refute what I believe so now please go away, you haven't contributed anything useful to the dialog here. Issler
I wasn't talking about you m'am this isn't about you, but thanks for jumping-in with your opinion clearly stated as such.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.03.05 22:28:00 -
[3603] - Quote
I find the argument for evidence that players want WiS really stupid.
Firstly because it is obvious that there is support for WiS. Not only within this thread, but in the fanfest videos talking about WiS that shows the audience was in favour of it.
Secondly. Look at incursions. You could argue that before this feature was implemented that there was not support for it (in fact, the CSM was unconvinced that it would be a success), but look how popular it has become. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.03.05 22:30:00 -
[3604] - Quote
I believe that the earth is flat and the moon is made of green cheese.
You can't refute my beliefs so now go away please. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.05 22:33:00 -
[3605] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:I find the argument for evidence that players want WiS really stupid.
If that was the actual argument, it would be stupid.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.05 22:36:00 -
[3606] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:I believe that the earth is flat and the moon is made of green cheese.
You can't refute my beliefs so now go away please.
If this thread was about either of those two things I would have to agree with your position, but its not.
As to the moon made of cheese, there is good evidence to support that position!
Moon Cheese
Issler |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.03.05 23:10:00 -
[3607] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
if WiS creates an eviroment where people no longer need to undock, then the game will suffer.
Why? Is it that you feel if they don't have to, then they just won't undock? That's just stupid thinking. You don't need to undock now for a lot of stuff and it's been that way since day one. Here's the thing, though. Even though you need never undock to play many aspects of this game, PLENTY OF PEOPLE STILL DO!! Why in the world you FIS only losers are so afraid of EVE becoming the true sandbox it was meant to be is beyond me. Someone please give a coherent reason for this bizarre attitude and I will die a happy man. Mr Epeen
us FiS losers ? lol
afraid ? lol
fear of a sandbox we create ? lol
beyond you ? yes, it looks like it is beyond you.
read my other posts in this thread, i'm done repeating myself.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.03.05 23:13:00 -
[3608] - Quote
if this was any other thread it would be locked for being spam.
repeating shite this thread is,, nothing more, nothing less.
here's the bottom line, WiS is not happening anytime soon. tm |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.03.06 00:01:00 -
[3609] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:if this was any other thread it would be locked for being spam. repeating shite this thread is,, nothing more, nothing less. here's the bottom line, WiS is not happening anytime soon. tm
And you are repeating good part of that shite here. Just look a little at your posts. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.06 01:34:00 -
[3610] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:I find the argument for evidence that players want WiS really stupid.
Firstly because it is obvious that there is support for WiS. Not only within this thread, but in the fanfest videos talking about WiS that shows the audience was in favour of it.
Secondly. Look at incursions. You could argue that before this feature was implemented that there was not support for it (in fact, the CSM was unconvinced that it would be a success), but look how popular it has become.
hey moron, you fly in space for incursions, and it's one of the very few group/fleet pve activities. and they are popular cus you make a ton of isk, now tell me about /emoting with a bunch of dudes. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:09:00 -
[3611] - Quote
From: Crucible 1.5
Quote:Team AvatarGÇÖs Interface Enhancement Pack: Storming forward with the mission to make 'hard' a battlecry for space combat and not the UI, Team Avatar brought a new level of ease-of-use and functionality to how players interact with and play the game. The patch notes for Crucible 1.5 have the full list of updates, but here are some of the highlights:
- Character Creator Portrait snapshots now retain background, pose, and lighting settings, allowing you to switch between them without altering work you had previously done and saved. Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys, "Stand still!" Idle animation will now pause while you are sculpting your character. An invalid name will indicate such prior to the player clicking to confirm their character instead of after. The interface for tucking shirts, pants and shoes is now more visible.
- HUD and Panels Personal assets are now sorted by most assets at the top More information has been added to the Route tab in the Solar System window Icons for the selected item now has a right-click dropdown of options
- EVE Market Color coding of market orders allows you to see if the item is located along your current route Modify order window now has a button to show market details for the product in question Drag and drop functionality has been added to the market Quickbar to support quickly adding modules and items from your inventory Shift dragging blueprints into Quickbar allows you to dynamically add a shopping list for various industry jobs, such as manufacturing
And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:26:00 -
[3612] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
if WiS creates an eviroment where people no longer need to undock, then the game will suffer.
Why? Is it that you feel if they don't have to, then they just won't undock? That's just stupid thinking. You don't need to undock now for a lot of stuff and it's been that way since day one. Here's the thing, though. Even though you need never undock to play many aspects of this game, PLENTY OF PEOPLE STILL DO!! Why in the world you FIS only losers are so afraid of EVE becoming the true sandbox it was meant to be is beyond me. Someone please give a coherent reason for this bizarre attitude and I will die a happy man. Mr Epeen us FiS losers ? lol afraid ? lol fear of a sandbox we create ? lol beyond you ? yes, it looks like it is beyond you. read my other posts in this thread, i'm done repeating myself.
repeating ? indeed ,its getting ridiculous after a while ,is it not?
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:28:00 -
[3613] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team...
A clever rabbit watches what CCP does vs. what they say.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:30:00 -
[3614] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:From: Crucible 1.5Quote:Team AvatarGÇÖs Interface Enhancement Pack: Storming forward with the mission to make 'hard' a battlecry for space combat and not the UI, Team Avatar brought a new level of ease-of-use and functionality to how players interact with and play the game. The patch notes for Crucible 1.5 have the full list of updates, but here are some of the highlights:
- Character Creator Portrait snapshots now retain background, pose, and lighting settings, allowing you to switch between them without altering work you had previously done and saved. Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys, "Stand still!" Idle animation will now pause while you are sculpting your character. An invalid name will indicate such prior to the player clicking to confirm their character instead of after. The interface for tucking shirts, pants and shoes is now more visible.
- HUD and Panels Personal assets are now sorted by most assets at the top More information has been added to the Route tab in the Solar System window Icons for the selected item now has a right-click dropdown of options
- EVE Market Color coding of market orders allows you to see if the item is located along your current route Modify order window now has a button to show market details for the product in question Drag and drop functionality has been added to the market Quickbar to support quickly adding modules and items from your inventory Shift dragging blueprints into Quickbar allows you to dynamically add a shopping list for various industry jobs, such as manufacturing And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team...
well at least you can spin new four rookie ships around and besides character creation is Avatar related
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:32:00 -
[3615] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team... A clever rabbit watches what CCP does vs. what they say.
And a clever CCP fox does the same with that poor rabbit I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Fighter26
Orion's Fist RED.Legion
15
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:32:00 -
[3616] - Quote
Honestly, CCP should devote a team to making WIS where people can have poker dens, player shops with isk for unique props, corp offices, and clubs... then never touch it agian. Get back to internet spaceships- after all this is just a extra thing to do when camped in station or fried from the 4th cta a single day. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:37:00 -
[3617] - Quote
Fighter26 wrote:Honestly, CCP should devote a team to making WIS where people can have poker dens, player shops with isk for unique props, corp offices, and clubs... then never touch it agian. Get back to internet spaceships- after all this is just a extra thing to do when camped in station or fried from the 4th cta a single day.
watch out now ,her they come trolls raging about spacebarbies and their secret favourite Ken and are emotional about emoting ,the poor lads will respond I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:46:00 -
[3618] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:From: Crucible 1.5Quote:Team AvatarGÇÖs Interface Enhancement Pack: Storming forward with the mission to make 'hard' a battlecry for space combat and not the UI, Team Avatar brought a new level of ease-of-use and functionality to how players interact with and play the game. The patch notes for Crucible 1.5 have the full list of updates, but here are some of the highlights:
- Character Creator Portrait snapshots now retain background, pose, and lighting settings, allowing you to switch between them without altering work you had previously done and saved. Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys, "Stand still!" Idle animation will now pause while you are sculpting your character. An invalid name will indicate such prior to the player clicking to confirm their character instead of after. The interface for tucking shirts, pants and shoes is now more visible.
- HUD and Panels Personal assets are now sorted by most assets at the top More information has been added to the Route tab in the Solar System window Icons for the selected item now has a right-click dropdown of options
- EVE Market Color coding of market orders allows you to see if the item is located along your current route Modify order window now has a button to show market details for the product in question Drag and drop functionality has been added to the market Quickbar to support quickly adding modules and items from your inventory Shift dragging blueprints into Quickbar allows you to dynamically add a shopping list for various industry jobs, such as manufacturing And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team... well at least you can spin new four rookie ships around and besides character creation is Avatar related
I was talking about percentage in that post. Look at what they did... Team Avatar is working on WiS with about 1/3 of their time 5 ppl are in team, 1 is QA, so 4 persons are developing. 1/3 of 4 is 1,33. 1,33 devs are actually working on WiS... XD thats so sad that its funny |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:49:00 -
[3619] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:From: Crucible 1.5Quote:Team AvatarGÇÖs Interface Enhancement Pack: Storming forward with the mission to make 'hard' a battlecry for space combat and not the UI, Team Avatar brought a new level of ease-of-use and functionality to how players interact with and play the game. The patch notes for Crucible 1.5 have the full list of updates, but here are some of the highlights:
- Character Creator Portrait snapshots now retain background, pose, and lighting settings, allowing you to switch between them without altering work you had previously done and saved. Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys, "Stand still!" Idle animation will now pause while you are sculpting your character. An invalid name will indicate such prior to the player clicking to confirm their character instead of after. The interface for tucking shirts, pants and shoes is now more visible.
- HUD and Panels Personal assets are now sorted by most assets at the top More information has been added to the Route tab in the Solar System window Icons for the selected item now has a right-click dropdown of options
- EVE Market Color coding of market orders allows you to see if the item is located along your current route Modify order window now has a button to show market details for the product in question Drag and drop functionality has been added to the market Quickbar to support quickly adding modules and items from your inventory Shift dragging blueprints into Quickbar allows you to dynamically add a shopping list for various industry jobs, such as manufacturing And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team... well at least you can spin new four rookie ships around and besides character creation is Avatar related I was talking about percentage in that post. Look at what they did... Team Avatar is working on WiS with about 1/3 of their time 5 ppl are in team, 1 is QA, so 4 persons are developing. 1/3 of 4 is 1,33. 1,33 devs are actually working on WiS... XD thats so sad that its funny
And thus they can quite truthfully say they are working on WIS.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:28:00 -
[3620] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:From: Crucible 1.5Quote:Team AvatarGÇÖs Interface Enhancement Pack: Storming forward with the mission to make 'hard' a battlecry for space combat and not the UI, Team Avatar brought a new level of ease-of-use and functionality to how players interact with and play the game. The patch notes for Crucible 1.5 have the full list of updates, but here are some of the highlights:
- Character Creator Portrait snapshots now retain background, pose, and lighting settings, allowing you to switch between them without altering work you had previously done and saved. Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys, "Stand still!" Idle animation will now pause while you are sculpting your character. An invalid name will indicate such prior to the player clicking to confirm their character instead of after. The interface for tucking shirts, pants and shoes is now more visible.
- HUD and Panels Personal assets are now sorted by most assets at the top More information has been added to the Route tab in the Solar System window Icons for the selected item now has a right-click dropdown of options
- EVE Market Color coding of market orders allows you to see if the item is located along your current route Modify order window now has a button to show market details for the product in question Drag and drop functionality has been added to the market Quickbar to support quickly adding modules and items from your inventory Shift dragging blueprints into Quickbar allows you to dynamically add a shopping list for various industry jobs, such as manufacturing And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team... well at least you can spin new four rookie ships around and besides character creation is Avatar related I was talking about percentage in that post. Look at what they did... Team Avatar is working on WiS with about 1/3 of their time 5 ppl are in team, 1 is QA, so 4 persons are developing. 1/3 of 4 is 1,33. 1,33 devs are actually working on WiS... XD thats so sad that its funny And thus they can quite truthfully say they are working on WIS.
This was exactly my fear. CCP, you need to realize you are hurting the future of your game and you need to start to be more honest with the players. One and a fraction people can't get anything useful done for ambulation. This now clearly looks to be just another PR stunt.
CCP, take ambulation seriously and open that door!
Issler |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:31:00 -
[3621] - Quote
So Issler, what features that CCP is currently working on should be abandoned in favour of more work on WiS? ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:29:00 -
[3622] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:So Issler, what features that CCP is currently working on should be abandoned in favour of more work on WiS?
<------------------- page 1 , go ahead and read from the beginning and find a quote from a WIS -wanter, that the FIS part of this game should be neglected for WIS .
Ah s*** i forget all the the time You can,t think for yourself so you repeat 1 of your goonmates and emote eachother. bc you guys like scary things
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:39:00 -
[3623] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
This was exactly my fear. CCP, you need to realize you are hurting the future of your game and you need to start to be more honest with the players. One and a fraction people can't get anything useful done for ambulation. This now clearly looks to be just another PR stunt.
CCP, take ambulation seriously and open that door!
Issler
Pls Issler be patient we will have to wait like everybody else ,until FF Remember we are not the only ones who wants a certain element in this game developed Don,t forget FW ,the miners ,marketmanipulators and the WH space runners,they have to wait also and pls don,t forget the poor flyboys ,they only are getting 4 new rookie ships
edit: Or FF is all about shoving Dust 514 up your a** I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:49:00 -
[3624] - Quote
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:55:00 -
[3625] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
don,t mind the trolls ,pls I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:01:00 -
[3626] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
WiS advocates are..... strange. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:02:00 -
[3627] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:if this was any other thread it would be locked for being spam. repeating shite this thread is,, nothing more, nothing less. here's the bottom line, WiS is not happening anytime soon. tm And you are repeating good part of that shite here. Just look a little at your posts.
i wrote them,, i'm aware of what i said. ( nice to see you writing in an irish accent )
before you guys say it,, yes i am indeed done with this thread, last words,,,,, CCP Karkur, well said, you are aware as i am that it is impossible to please all the people all the time, but you are pleasing those who count.
no more from me in this thread, lock it mods,, enough said !
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Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:07:00 -
[3628] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:if this was any other thread it would be locked for being spam. repeating shite this thread is,, nothing more, nothing less. here's the bottom line, WiS is not happening anytime soon. tm And you are repeating good part of that shite here. Just look a little at your posts. i wrote them,, i'm aware of what i said. ( nice to see you writing in an irish accent ) before you guys say it,, yes i am indeed done with this thread, last words,,,,, CCP Karkur, well said, you are aware as i am that it is impossible to please all the people all the time, but you are pleasing those who count.no more from me in this thread, lock it mods,, enough said !
So only you count???
What egocentric person... and what ego... wow... scientists would give anything for specimen like you.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:13:00 -
[3629] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
Coming with a great ambulation idea ,putiing the whole idea into the trashcan afterwards is making a lot of us a little confused. Coming with a devblog with no reall info and asking us to keep this thread up and don,t participate in the discussion yourself ads a little also. There where some great ideas on farious threads about WIS ,But now we don,t even know what CCP wants with this great idea. I know that CCP doesn,t like to give out comments that could resemble a promise ,but some hopes and CCP own ideas about WIS would be welcome
Combine that with selfrepeating trolls ,well, you get this
Don,t get me wrong pls ,You guys added and probably will add good stuff later on to this game.so i thank you for that.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:16:00 -
[3630] - Quote
Aquila Draco wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:if this was any other thread it would be locked for being spam. repeating shite this thread is,, nothing more, nothing less. here's the bottom line, WiS is not happening anytime soon. tm And you are repeating good part of that shite here. Just look a little at your posts. i wrote them,, i'm aware of what i said. ( nice to see you writing in an irish accent ) before you guys say it,, yes i am indeed done with this thread, last words,,,,, CCP Karkur, well said, you are aware as i am that it is impossible to please all the people all the time, but you are pleasing those who count.no more from me in this thread, lock it mods,, enough said ! So only you count??? What egocentric person... and what ego... wow... scientists would give anything for specimen like you.
i post from my main, i'm sorry but alts posting bollox talk holds no backbone with me.
read the entire thread you fucknut ! |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:19:00 -
[3631] - Quote
@Karkur - I am a little confused as well. I think CCP needs to work on what they want to work on. Your game, your world, your dream. We just play in it. If what you deliver isn't what some people want then they can quit. Frankly nobody has a right to complain really considering every expansion CCP has released was FREE OF CHARGE! Can't make it more clear than that. I say if the community wants to have a say in what is released then the community should pay for the expansions. Either way...I doubt that there is a single pro WiS person in this thread that doesn't want you to continue the great work you do with FiS. There are a LOT of pro FiS people that refuse to accept WiS as part of the game and don't want you to do anything with it at all.
Trolls will troll.
Keep up the good work CCP. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:20:00 -
[3632] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
before you guys say it,, yes i am indeed done with this thread, last words,,,,,
no more from me in this thread, lock it mods,, enough said !
Nice. You managed 14 whole minutes.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:21:00 -
[3633] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:if this was any other thread it would be locked for being spam. repeating shite this thread is,, nothing more, nothing less. here's the bottom line, WiS is not happening anytime soon. tm And you are repeating good part of that shite here. Just look a little at your posts. i wrote them,, i'm aware of what i said. ( nice to see you writing in an irish accent ) before you guys say it,, yes i am indeed done with this thread, last words,,,,, CCP Karkur, well said, you are aware as i am that it is impossible to please all the people all the time, but you are pleasing those who count. no more from me in this thread, lock it mods,, enough said !
Since it's my thread, I say I still see reasoned conversation in this thread and I vigorously request it remains open.
Issler |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:21:00 -
[3634] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
Don't worry CCP Karkurjwow. It's just the same old trolling from the same small group of Goons.
Keep up the great work. Am looking forward to some new tattoos for my avatar. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:34:00 -
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Elanor Vega wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:From: Crucible 1.5Quote:Team AvatarGÇÖs Interface Enhancement Pack: Storming forward with the mission to make 'hard' a battlecry for space combat and not the UI, Team Avatar brought a new level of ease-of-use and functionality to how players interact with and play the game. The patch notes for Crucible 1.5 have the full list of updates, but here are some of the highlights:
- Character Creator Portrait snapshots now retain background, pose, and lighting settings, allowing you to switch between them without altering work you had previously done and saved. Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys, "Stand still!" Idle animation will now pause while you are sculpting your character. An invalid name will indicate such prior to the player clicking to confirm their character instead of after. The interface for tucking shirts, pants and shoes is now more visible.
- HUD and Panels Personal assets are now sorted by most assets at the top More information has been added to the Route tab in the Solar System window Icons for the selected item now has a right-click dropdown of options
- EVE Market Color coding of market orders allows you to see if the item is located along your current route Modify order window now has a button to show market details for the product in question Drag and drop functionality has been added to the market Quickbar to support quickly adding modules and items from your inventory Shift dragging blueprints into Quickbar allows you to dynamically add a shopping list for various industry jobs, such as manufacturing And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team... well at least you can spin new four rookie ships around and besides character creation is Avatar related I was talking about percentage in that post. Look at what they did... Team Avatar is working on WiS with about 1/3 of their time 5 ppl are in team, 1 is QA, so 4 persons are developing. 1/3 of 4 is 1,33. 1,33 devs are actually working on WiS... XD thats so sad that its funny In Team Avatar there are currently 4 programmers, 1 tester, and 1 game designer (actually EVE's Game Design Director), and a product owner (EVE's Creative Director). The team is responsible for the current avatar tech in EVE, such as the Character Creator, the Image Server Rendering (that generates EVE Gate, EVE forum and in-game portraits), and the Captain's Quarters; to name a few things; including maintenance and enhancements. They are also responsible for prototyping new avatar-based gameplay.
In addition then the team, first and foremost CCP karkur, has been working on Little Things on the side, to improve players' experience. She has managed to get that extra work done on Sunday evenings and in between other tasks because she likes to do it and because players have asked for these things. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
221
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:40:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:From: Crucible 1.5Quote:Team AvatarGÇÖs Interface Enhancement Pack: Storming forward with the mission to make 'hard' a battlecry for space combat and not the UI, Team Avatar brought a new level of ease-of-use and functionality to how players interact with and play the game. The patch notes for Crucible 1.5 have the full list of updates, but here are some of the highlights:
- Character Creator Portrait snapshots now retain background, pose, and lighting settings, allowing you to switch between them without altering work you had previously done and saved. Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys, "Stand still!" Idle animation will now pause while you are sculpting your character. An invalid name will indicate such prior to the player clicking to confirm their character instead of after. The interface for tucking shirts, pants and shoes is now more visible.
- HUD and Panels Personal assets are now sorted by most assets at the top More information has been added to the Route tab in the Solar System window Icons for the selected item now has a right-click dropdown of options
- EVE Market Color coding of market orders allows you to see if the item is located along your current route Modify order window now has a button to show market details for the product in question Drag and drop functionality has been added to the market Quickbar to support quickly adding modules and items from your inventory Shift dragging blueprints into Quickbar allows you to dynamically add a shopping list for various industry jobs, such as manufacturing And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team... well at least you can spin new four rookie ships around and besides character creation is Avatar related I was talking about percentage in that post. Look at what they did... Team Avatar is working on WiS with about 1/3 of their time 5 ppl are in team, 1 is QA, so 4 persons are developing. 1/3 of 4 is 1,33. 1,33 devs are actually working on WiS... XD thats so sad that its funny In Team Avatar there are currently 4 programmers, 1 tester, and 1 game designer (actually EVE's Game Design Director), and a product owner (EVE's Creative Director). The team is responsible for the current avatar tech in EVE, such as the Character Creator, the Image Server Rendering (that generates EVE Gate, EVE forum and in-game portraits), and the Captain's Quarters; to name a few things; including maintenance and enhancements. They are also responsible for prototyping new avatar-based gameplay. In addition then the team, first and foremost CCP karkur, has been working on Little Things on the side, to improve players' experience. She has managed to get that extra work done on Sunday evenings and in between other tasks because she likes to do it and because players have asked for these things. Go Karkur go |
oldbutfeelingyoung
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:41:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:From: Crucible 1.5Quote:Team AvatarGÇÖs Interface Enhancement Pack: Storming forward with the mission to make 'hard' a battlecry for space combat and not the UI, Team Avatar brought a new level of ease-of-use and functionality to how players interact with and play the game. The patch notes for Crucible 1.5 have the full list of updates, but here are some of the highlights:
- Character Creator Portrait snapshots now retain background, pose, and lighting settings, allowing you to switch between them without altering work you had previously done and saved. Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys, "Stand still!" Idle animation will now pause while you are sculpting your character. An invalid name will indicate such prior to the player clicking to confirm their character instead of after. The interface for tucking shirts, pants and shoes is now more visible.
- HUD and Panels Personal assets are now sorted by most assets at the top More information has been added to the Route tab in the Solar System window Icons for the selected item now has a right-click dropdown of options
- EVE Market Color coding of market orders allows you to see if the item is located along your current route Modify order window now has a button to show market details for the product in question Drag and drop functionality has been added to the market Quickbar to support quickly adding modules and items from your inventory Shift dragging blueprints into Quickbar allows you to dynamically add a shopping list for various industry jobs, such as manufacturing And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team... well at least you can spin new four rookie ships around and besides character creation is Avatar related I was talking about percentage in that post. Look at what they did... Team Avatar is working on WiS with about 1/3 of their time 5 ppl are in team, 1 is QA, so 4 persons are developing. 1/3 of 4 is 1,33. 1,33 devs are actually working on WiS... XD thats so sad that its funny In Team Avatar there are currently 4 programmers, 1 tester, and 1 game designer (actually EVE's Game Design Director), and a product owner (EVE's Creative Director). The team is responsible for the current avatar tech in EVE, such as the Character Creator, the Image Server Rendering (that generates EVE Gate, EVE forum and in-game portraits), and the Captain's Quarters; to name a few things; including maintenance and enhancements. They are also responsible for prototyping new avatar-based gameplay. In addition then the team, first and foremost CCP karkur, has been working on Little Things on the side, to improve players' experience. She has managed to get that extra work done on Sunday evenings and in between other tasks because she likes to do it and because players have asked for these things.
Thank you Explorer and thank you Karkur for making the extra hours (and thank other workaholics if there are more of them)
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Shandir
Ferocious Felines
52
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:54:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:on Sunday evenings She is not being paid enough. Don't care how much, it's not enough. Much love to this and other devs who work more than their due, often underappreciated.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:00:00 -
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As Devs seem to be watching this thread, I got a question:
"Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys"
When? Certainly not while flying, those fire my guns. When docked? In CQ? In customization? Or ... when? I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:02:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:As Devs seem to be watching this thread, I got a question:
"Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys"
When? Certainly not while flying, those fire my guns. When docked? In CQ? In customization? Or ... when? haha... it's when you are in the portrait step of the character creator/recustomization
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
542
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:09:00 -
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Thank you.
I was sort of hoping it would work anytime I was docked, so i could put up a nice portrait when I'm out missioning and an angry one for roams, all with just a push of a key. But what you got will help.
Are the portraits saved between visits to customization? If they were, I can change my portrait just by hitting re-customize, clicking over to the portrait page, make a selection, then leave. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:17:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Thank you.
I was sort of hoping it would work anytime I was docked, so i could put up a nice portrait when I'm out missioning and an angry one for roams, all with just a push of a key. But what you got will help.
Are the portraits saved between visits to customization? If they were, I can change my portrait just by hitting re-customize, clicking over to the portrait page, make a selection, then leave. no, they are reset every visit (but I think it would be super cool if we could store expressions, pose and camera settings in your client setting so you could load them when in the portrait step, but I'm not sure how that would all fit in... but something to keep in mind ) |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:27:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Thank you.
I was sort of hoping it would work anytime I was docked, so i could put up a nice portrait when I'm out missioning and an angry one for roams, all with just a push of a key. But what you got will help.
Are the portraits saved between visits to customization? If they were, I can change my portrait just by hitting re-customize, clicking over to the portrait page, make a selection, then leave. no, they are reset every visit (but I think it would be super cool if we could store expressions, pose and camera settings in your client setting so you could load them when in the portrait step, but I'm not sure how that would all fit in... but something to keep in mind )
Great idea maybe for right clicking your portrait in space and choose one of 4 pre sets. Angry face just before a pvp roam ,sad and busted up face after getting blown up I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:46:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Coming with a great ambulation idea, putting the whole idea into the trashcan afterwards is making a lot of us a little confused. Coming with a devblog with no real info and asking us to keep this thread up and don't participate in the discussion yourself ads a little also. There where some great ideas on various threads about WIS ,But now we don't even know what CCP wants with this great idea. I know that CCP doesn't like to give out comments that could resemble a promise, but some hopes and CCP own ideas about WIS would be welcome Combine that with self-repeating trolls, well, you get this Don't get me wrong pls, You guys added and probably will add good stuff later on to this game so i thank you for that. This is 100% truth. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:02:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Coming with a great ambulation idea ,putting the whole idea into the trashcan afterwards is making a lot of us a little confused. Coming with a devblog with no real info and asking us to keep this thread up and don,t participate in the discussion yourself ads a little also. There where some great ideas on various threads about WIS ,But now we don,t even know what CCP wants with this great idea. I know that CCP doesn't like to give out comments that could resemble a promise ,but some hopes and CCP own ideas about WIS would be welcome Combine that with self-repeating trolls ,well, you get this Don,t get me wrong pls ,You guys added and probably will add good stuff later on to this game.so i thank you for that. This is 100% truth.
And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry over multiple posts when they are asked for proof.
/asking for proof is not trolling. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:16:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Coming with a great ambulation idea ,putting the whole idea into the trashcan afterwards is making a lot of us a little confused. Coming with a devblog with no real info and asking us to keep this thread up and don,t participate in the discussion yourself ads a little also. There where some great ideas on various threads about WIS ,But now we don,t even know what CCP wants with this great idea. I know that CCP doesn't like to give out comments that could resemble a promise ,but some hopes and CCP own ideas about WIS would be welcome Combine that with self-repeating trolls ,well, you get this Don,t get me wrong pls ,You guys added and probably will add good stuff later on to this game.so i thank you for that. This is 100% truth. And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry over multiple posts when they are asked for proof. /asking for proof is not trolling.
Wow didn,t know i made a claim somewhere
Nobody from the playersbase can claim how many people like or dislike WIS You can only hope there are some that think the same as yourself. i hope the reason that Team Avatar exist , is that there are signals that enough players like the idea of station walking.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:23:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Coming with a great ambulation idea ,putting the whole idea into the trashcan afterwards is making a lot of us a little confused. Coming with a devblog with no real info and asking us to keep this thread up and don,t participate in the discussion yourself ads a little also. There where some great ideas on various threads about WIS ,But now we don,t even know what CCP wants with this great idea. I know that CCP doesn't like to give out comments that could resemble a promise ,but some hopes and CCP own ideas about WIS would be welcome Combine that with self-repeating trolls ,well, you get this Don,t get me wrong pls ,You guys added and probably will add good stuff later on to this game.so i thank you for that. This is 100% truth. And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry over multiple posts when they are asked for proof. /asking for proof is not trolling. Wow didn,t know i made a claim somewhere
You didn't that i am aware of. That was a jab directed at DeMichael Crimson specifically.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
499
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:33:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Thank you.
I was sort of hoping it would work anytime I was docked, so i could put up a nice portrait when I'm out missioning and an angry one for roams, all with just a push of a key. But what you got will help.
Are the portraits saved between visits to customization? If they were, I can change my portrait just by hitting re-customize, clicking over to the portrait page, make a selection, then leave. no, they are reset every visit (but I think it would be super cool if we could store expressions, pose and camera settings in your client setting so you could load them when in the portrait step, but I'm not sure how that would all fit in... but something to keep in mind )
I know this is a bit out of the league at the moment...
But it would be pretty sweet to be able to do the "animated avatar" for somethings in space. I had a link to a Wing Commander clip where you could see some chatter in a video feed with a head there. Obviously much more advanced... ;p This would be pretty cool for NPC chatter at least, if not for player chatter occassionally. ;p
Linked with EVE Voice we could see who is talking to us rather than having to see a little broadcast icon!
I know, I know. It's not happening. But meanwhile...
CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
Don't be sad! Just deliver. :) Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:40:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Did so oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:did not Doc Fury wrote:did too oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
LOL! Get a room guys.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:40:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry when they are asked for proof. /asking for proof is not trolling.
You constantly beating your chest and stomping your feet about my statement without providing any contradicting evidence proves that you are indeed trolling.
The basis for my statement was already provided yet you choose to ignore it while constantly posting this unsubstantiated claim that I'm angry and making false statements. I'll post it once again so you can see for yourself.
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1469548
Now you post a link providing contradiction to my statement. If you're too lazy to do that or worse, just plain incompetent, then STFU and quit stalking me.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:41:00 -
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hey ccp krankar i bestow you with a gift of two words MEANINGFUL GAMEPLAY
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:02:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry when they are asked for proof. /asking for proof is not trolling. You constantly beating your chest and stomping your feet about my statement without providing any contradicting evidence proves that you are indeed trolling. The basis for my statement was already provided yet you choose to ignore it while constantly posting this unsubstantiated claim that I'm angry and making false statements. I'll post it once again so you can see for yourself. http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1469548Now you post a link providing contradiction to my statement. If you're too lazy to do that or worse, just plain incompetent, then STFU and quit stalking me.
I don't hold a contrary position. I have not stamped my feet or beat my chest as much as you like to believe or try to convince others that is happening. You are the one becoming angry (enraged it would seem) because you choose to hurl, ad hominem insults instead of dialog.
I am asking yet again for your proof. I don't believe any evidence exists either way. Why should I have to disprove something you have already stated is a fact, but you can't prove? That's a fallacy argument as I've already pointed out, and is very disingenuous of you.
The only proof you've been able to provide to try to backup your "A majority of EVE players want WIS" claim so far, has been a Dev quote that stated:
"A number of players have asked for this."
A number.. hmm how many players is that exactly? You or I don't know for sure, but that's what you provide as your evidence.
Where exactly in your latest link is a Dev or any information provided by CCP that states a MAJORITY of players want WIS? Can you please quote something, are you just lazy, do you not know what majority means, or does your evidence simply not exist? You do realize you can link to specific posts in a thread?
If you really think I am stalking you, you should file a petition, or better yet, cry to Issler again that the bad, bad man insists that you back up the baseless claims you post in these forums with evidence. I'm not lazy at all and would be happy to review anything specific you can put forth, but you are proving to be a poor liar or completely delusional, and are just getting hostile and trying to deflect your anger upon me because you've been caught lying, and you aren't even brave enough to admit your "majority" claim was just your opinion when you were given the chance. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:05:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:LOL! Get a room guys. Mr Epeen
no we don,t I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:25:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:LOL! Get a room guys. Mr Epeen no we don,t Yes you do. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:38:00 -
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lol
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Fighter26
Orion's Fist RED.Legion
15
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:42:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
Karkur, not everyone feels this way. Honestly WIS is a feature that is a neat thing to do when not flying internet spaceships. I wish your team luck at making common areas, they sound great and coming from a team environment myself it is easy to get multiple projects going and stay on task. Keep up the good work. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:51:00 -
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listen and weep, barbie lovers One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:57:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
Please ignore the pro-WiS trolls. They are a tiny fraction of the playerbase and are happy to advocate for things that would be really bad for the future of Eve..
Most of us are happy with what we are seeing and are excited about the direction of the game. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:25:00 -
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First of all, this latest post of yours is a classic example of more chest beating and foot stomping, no matter how many words you type saying it isn't.
Secondly, I never said it was a confirmed CCP fact.
Thirdly, you are indeed lazy as well as a liar since your whole posted reply is completely false.
Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation.
But no, you gotta write a 1000 word novel again shouting 'ad hominem' along with insults saying I won't provide anything to back up my statement. Instead of singing your same old song again, read that thread and then provide a link to another thread that was created before the 'Summer of Rage' showing players didn't want WiS Ambulation.
Since you can't produce anything contrary to refute that, you continue to post your delusional troll rant against me in an attempt to derail this thread.
Since this seems to be your intention all along, I'm done messing with you.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:57:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation.
Not even close.
Edit: I realized that you weren't talking about this thread and were talking about a thread that happened before Incarna.
Of course everybody was pro-WiS back then...we still believed CCP could pull it all off. Then summer came and we saw what two years of Eve neglect had bought us. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:14:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation.
So now you are moving the goalposts. Not too surprising I suppose, now that you've been caught making stuff up (lying). You seem to have a limited understanding of what English words mean. What you said originally was: "The majority of the player base has wanted WiS" which is completely different than what you are claiming now. Here, I'll even link it all up for you, because I'm not lazy:
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts.
The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.
Facts are funny things eh? In the same post you managed to chide others for posting incorrect statements and not checking facts and then you make a whopper of an unsubstantiated claim at the same time.
I and another player shortly after simply and politely asked you for proof to backup your claims without taking any position of our own, and you got all pissy with us and started with your "no, you" rebuttals and hurling insults.
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#30
Doc Fury wrote: Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS.
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#53
Ai Shun wrote: Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims.
Followed by your "proof" via ad hominem and proving non-existence fallacies :
DeMichael Crimson wrote:http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#38Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#41Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you. Obviously you and others like you are so blinded by ignorance that you can't even accept the actual truth when it's presented. Feel free to look over the events and multiple forum threads during the summer of 2011, then STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#55Same to you, I haven't seen you provide any 'iota' of proof to back up your statements either. Please link your source stating that the majority of the player base did not want WiS when CCP first previewed Ambulation.
continued next post The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:15:00 -
[3662] - Quote
--continued --
Then you made a final failed attempt to explain how burden of proof works outside of the criminal court system.
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/3#62
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Heh, don't know what country the two of you live in but according to the 'Free' world country's, a person is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the burden of proof falls on you to prove I am making false statements.
Anyway, you definitely excel at posting a bunch of 'Nada' while beating your chests and stomping your feet.. so no more soup for you. Hope you choke on it since the two of you are incapable of doing a little bit of research.
All of that anger and deflection from you just because 2 players politely asked for your evidence without making any claims themselves who then only kept asking you when you tried to evade the issue. Deep anger and paranoia issues, I think you haz them.
So, who here is beating their chest, foot stamping and ranting, who is trolling, and who is lying? (rhetorical question) The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:16:00 -
[3663] - Quote
welp, it's a done deal, FIS reigns supreme, for the foreseeable future. according to Herr CCP T0rfi the friggin Art Director not me, in an interview given this year 2012, not 2006. focus and priority is now placed on the core essence of eve, which is spaceships (spaceships creation and destruction) anything else is extraneous (Herr T0rfi's words) and frivolous and worthless (my words).
so how what do you say DMC? still going to keep arguing semantics with Doc Fury? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:34:00 -
[3664] - Quote
173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:58:00 -
[3665] - Quote
Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go
173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:05:00 -
[3666] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go 173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you. Mr Epeen
What are we afraid of? CCP all of a sudden deciding they hate making money and going back to neglecting Eve for more space pants? After the disaster of Incarna and the success of Cruicible that's not very likely.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:06:00 -
[3667] - Quote
Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go
To be fair to the pubbies the vast majority of the posts in this thread are pro-Eve/anti-WiS.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
111
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:18:00 -
[3668] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go 173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you. Mr Epeen
Pff
This is the internet, the magical land where subjective opinion = objective fact and their opinion is that it sucks therefore the fact is that it sucks. I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:25:00 -
[3669] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go 173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you. Mr Epeen god knows what you want to do to that space barbie you sicko freak. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.07 08:31:00 -
[3670] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go To be fair to the pubbies the vast majority of the posts in this thread are pro-Eve/anti-WiS.
Last time someone took the time to count the pro ambulation posts were dramatically higher than the same 7 goon trolls.
So as the few "usual suspects" goon trolls like to say. Prove it, count those posts and show us those numbers. Half of them have to be from Lady Marmot and contain either the word "pants" or "space barbie".
So prove it or STFU.
Issler Danze Supporter of Ambulation CSM 7 Candidate |
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Meleric
Verteidiger des wahren Bloedsinns Universal Constant Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:33:00 -
[3671] - Quote
I see it in a different way. CCP is planning to merge EVE with Dust 514. So it's only consistant, that Walking in Stations have to come. I my mind's eye I see capsuleers walking into areas where Dust-Mercenaries are waiting for some work.
Just remember the video "a future vision" Youtube.
And, yes, I would like to have walking in stations. Give us some minigames, a corp-office with useful gadgets, and maybe some holo-tech to hold conferences when there are in different places. |
Adaris
47
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Posted - 2012.03.07 12:00:00 -
[3672] - Quote
I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach:
- Avatar expression (emote system) - Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc) - Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)
Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.
I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.
I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization. Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities.~ Mark Twain
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.07 12:36:00 -
[3673] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation.
Not even close. Edit: I realized that you weren't talking about this thread and were talking about a thread that happened before Incarna. Of course everybody was pro-WiS back then...we still believed CCP could pull it all off. Then summer came and we saw what two years of Eve neglect had bought us.
Exactly what I was talking about. That happened in spring of 2011. That was about WiS Ambulation, not WiS Incarna.
Some players just want to twist it around and write a 2000 word essay contained in 2 posted replies back to back about how I'm making stuff up or 'moving goalposts' now since they conveniently mistook WiS Ambulation for WiS Incarna. .
Oh wait a second, you just made a statement 'Everybody was pro-WiS back then', now you're gonna have to show proof with CCP verified stats that 'Everybody was indeed pro-WiS back then'. And then after you dig up something to back up that statement, it won't be accepted, your words will be twisted and represented in a totally different context.
EDIT:
I know you're just making a generalization about the majority of the playerbase opinions but hey, some players just won't accept that. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
275
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Posted - 2012.03.07 12:57:00 -
[3674] - Quote
wtf is "emote system"
What I think WiS first needs is some new FiS feature that is accessible for corp members together:
I'd love to see an ingame EFT for fleets that integrates with corp member skills.
Make it as shiny and cool as you please, avatars gathered in a command room with holoships, damage & logistics projection visualisations and whatever, but this could probably get anti-Eve-anti-WiS crowd interested as well.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:13:00 -
[3675] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:welp, it's a done deal, FIS reigns supreme, for the foreseeable future. according to Herr CCP T0rfi the friggin Art Director not me, in an interview given this year 2012, not 2006. focus and priority is now placed on the core essence of eve, which is spaceships (spaceships creation and destruction) anything else is extraneous (Herr T0rfi's words) and frivolous and worthless (my words).
so how what do you say DMC? still going to keep arguing semantics with Doc Fury?
I don't really care what you think has transpired. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you.
As for Doc Fury, he wrote a 2000 word essay containing a lot of 'Yada, yada, yada' in 2 posted replies back to back and managed only to say 'Nada'.
FYI - the thread I linked was from spring of 2011, not 2006. Also it was about WiS Ambulation, not WiS Incarna.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:24:00 -
[3676] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpcSGcqHtmc there's going to be a quiz! what is CCP t0rfi referring to as the essence/core of eve online and what will they be focusing on?
Edit: Off topic part removed, CCP Phantom One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:53:00 -
[3677] - Quote
Dang...I had to view the posts of Ladie Harlot and Taiwanistan just to see what you guys are arguing with them about. Why don't you all just block them. Ignore them and everything they say. Eventually people will stop quoting them and they will stop coming to this thread for attention. There are like 5 of them who troll this thread to no end. Let them troll...if you don't feed the trolls they eventually leave. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
99
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:01:00 -
[3678] - Quote
I'd be all for WiS as long as:
1. It doesn't de-rail FiS development again.
2. You get Supermarionation as a display option.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:16:00 -
[3679] - Quote
Samillian wrote:I'd be all for WiS as long as: 1. It doesn't de-rail FiS development again. 2. You get Supermarionation as a display option. lol @ Supermarionation.
America! **** YEAH!
I can see it now... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:21:00 -
[3680] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Dang...I had to view the posts of Ladie Harlot and Taiwanistan just to see what you guys are arguing with them about. Why don't you all just block them. Ignore them and everything they say. Eventually people will stop quoting them and they will stop coming to this thread for attention. There are like 5 of them who troll this thread to no end. Let them troll...if you don't feed the trolls they eventually leave.
i know right, many a times i find myself beleaguered by the multitudes of deviant emote loving lispers and i am like to hell with it whatever god will judge them. and then posts like the below pops up and completely rejuvenates my conviction!!!
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)
Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.
Adaris wrote:I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach:
- Avatar expression (emote system) - Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc) - Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)
Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.
I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.
I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:32:00 -
[3681] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Some players just want to twist it around and write a 2000 word essay contained in 2 posted replies back to back about how I'm making stuff up or 'moving goalposts' now since they conveniently mistook WiS Ambulation for WiS Incarna. .
Oh, you are just soooo misunderstood. I get it, players like me are just confused because you think there are now 2 flavors of WIS, and a (still unsubstantiated) "majority" only wanted one of those. Are you serious?
Regardless of how you now are trying to spin what "WIS" means to you or is perceived to mean by others:
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts.
The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.
It's still quite hilarious that you chide others for posting incorrect, non-factual statements and then make stuff up to support your position in the very same post. I also don't see where you differentiated which "version" of WIS you were referring to. "WIS ever since 2006" just means WIS.
Dunno' how many words that is so far sparky, or why that would be relevant, but do keep trying to spin what you said to mean something else. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:53:00 -
[3682] - Quote
a few Goons afraid of emoting and getting emotional and have a little tear in their left eye here hehehehe they are just a little angry bc ,its Spacebarbie instead of SpaceKEN,the one they really love bigtime
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Sozzac
Wolfpacks
4
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:09:00 -
[3683] - Quote
[:evil:
well as a oldie in eve and former pew pew player
CCP Crowd Control Production need to wake up and see that there game EVE Online will no live that loong without a fullblown 3d character concept
You advertise your game with Walk in Station movies and been doing it from 2006 most players coming into the game from 2006 Have come into the game with the WiS promise from CCP
Not a cell that CCP call CQ
O top of that selling and advertise NEX a shop where you can buy clothes for real money who no one can see you with
Give US WiS now CCP!
ps so far I havent heard any valid post from ccp why WiS isnt in the game as advertised. Just sadly bad bs
Remember most CSM that you listen to isnt your main income 'hint off' |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:36:00 -
[3684] - Quote
Sozzac wrote:CCP Crowd Control Production need to wake up and see that there game EVE Online will no live that loong without a fullblown 3d character concept
lol...you do realize Eve didn't launch last year, right? Eve has done fine without Space Barbie and when CCP tried to go that direction it cost them a large chunk of subscribers and 20% of their employees.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:48:00 -
[3685] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Sozzac wrote:CCP Crowd Control Production need to wake up and see that there game EVE Online will no live that loong without a fullblown 3d character concept lol...you do realize Eve didn't launch last year, right? Eve has done fine without Space Barbie and when CCP tried to go that direction it cost them a large chunk of subscribers and 20% of their employees.
Over extending with too many other resources in unlaunched cash sink games is what cost them 20% of their employees, not ambulation no matter how many times you claim it was ambulation.
And I bet I've been playing Eve longer than you so yes, I know eve wasn't launched yesterday. You know once there were huge companies making things like ice boxes and buggy whips, not so many no, maybe evolving and changing is a GOOD thing.
Issler |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:08:00 -
[3686] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
I think that people who want WiS are incredibly patient, provided how we are the guys who got the new broken feature that may take years to fix, if it ever is fixed, and who can't even play with it.
I am aware that CCP has got a gazillion more pressing matters, but it would not be wise at all for us to leave the field to trolls and allow CCP to forget about who they fukked the most and the deeper in june 2011: the people who actually wanted "Incarna".
You owe it to us, dudes. You seriously owe it to us.
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:15:00 -
[3687] - Quote
Lol jk no one wanted Incarna.
No one that matters, that is.
No seriously, all you guys who claim to need WiS, wtf do you do when playing Eve? Do laps of the captains quarters? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:22:00 -
[3688] - Quote
Funny how all my ignored users are from this thread... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:22:00 -
[3689] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way I think that people who want WiS are incredibly patient, provided how we are the guys who got the new broken feature that may take years to fix, if it ever is fixed, and who can't even play with it. I am aware that CCP has got a gazillion more pressing matters, but it would not be wise at all for us to leave the field to trolls and allow CCP to forget about who they fukked the most and the deeper in june 2011: the people who actually wanted "Incarna". You owe it to us, dudes. You seriously owe it to us. I think what Karkur was referring to...(I could be wrong, it's all a little confusing) is the people who refuse to accept WiS at all and think everybody needs to work on FiS and only FiS.
I think people like that are self centered and ignorant. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Kukiri
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:57:00 -
[3690] - Quote
Hi
Time for my monthly post. I appreciate the fact that CCP employees are working overtime to get caught up. They are dedicated and obviously love the game to make that kind of effort and sacrifice.
Their employers, on the other hand, I have an issue with.
As I've said before I was created only because ambulation was announced and I was sold on the idea by the fantastic videos produced by CCP nearly four years ago. Four years. That's a long time to be promised something. I'd like to see some honest statements made about the future of walking in stations. Hiding behind your employee's dedication is not right. Using your employee's to garner sympathy while constantly reducing the size of the team is not right.
Just be up front for a change. Give us some solid information so the people who have been waiting on this can either be let down and get over it, or have something to look forward to. Don't just ignore us and hope we'll go away. That too, is not right. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.08 14:26:00 -
[3691] - Quote
Is there anybody that still hasn't placed Taiwanistan on ignore? I kinda feel like he might just be talking to himself in this thread...
I think we all need to just chill out a bit on the WiS topic. I am sure Team Avatar is reading our ideas and taking what they can to see what can be done with it. We will likely hear more information at Fanfest which is less than a month away.
Keep the ideas going in this thread. Ignore the trolls. Let them say what they want but lets not feed them. You aren't going to change thier minds and they wont change yours. Just move on.
Personally I cannot wait to see what Team Avatar comes up with. I would also like to reinforce that shooting people in the face while in station would be awesome! Look at how fun Mass Effect 3 is. Do that in EvE. Aw heck...
This goes out to Team Avatar and the rest of CCP. You put in a 3rd person shooter aspect to EvE like ME3 while in station and I guarantee you that not only will EvE kick even more ass than it does right now but you will draw in more subscribers. People like doing MMO stuff on the ground and even more so with a gun in hand and a face to shoot for both PvE and PvP. You want the ultimate space sim? That will be one HUGE step towards that end. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:15:00 -
[3692] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Is there anybody that still hasn't placed Taiwanistan on ignore?
I have not, since I am open to listen to everyone's opinion on an open forum board.
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Personally I cannot wait to see what Team Avatar comes up with. I would also like to reinforce that shooting people in the face while in station would be awesome! Look at how fun Mass Effect 3 is. Do that in EvE. Aw heck...
This goes out to Team Avatar and the rest of CCP. You put in a 3rd person shooter aspect to EvE like ME3 while in station and I guarantee you that not only will EvE kick even more ass than it does right now but you will draw in more subscribers. People like doing MMO stuff on the ground and even more so with a gun in hand and a face to shoot for both PvE and PvP. You want the ultimate space sim? That will be one HUGE step towards that end.
(Not directed at you Vertisce) Ironic - when I proposed that WIS should be skill based with various means of continuing the death and destruction of FIS, I was accused of promoting ganking with the idle threats how I will have swarms of newbies ready to gank me once I open my cell door. The cries of WIS should be a peaceful, Sims type atmosphere were radiated during this thread. Hell, I probably have been ignored by many posters in this thread with the troll label thrown upon me. All because I did not agree with the select few (more on that in a moment).
To Vertisce - glad you would not mind a blood and guts type game using our avatars!
While reading this thread over the months, the select few have mentioned that a huge / large number / majority of players want WIS and if CCP does not snap to it, this game is doomed soon. Like many others, whereas I would not mind an extension of gaming involving avatars, unless it has value and worth, standing around in fancy clothes with a trick bag of preset emote commands is not for me. But like many others, I do not want to see FIS suffer once again. So how much of the playerbase really wants to see a full-blown WIS experience? Whereas this is not concrete proof beyond all doubt, this is something to consider -
In the Eve Information Portal section are various threads. As of 15:00 gaming time, the raw page counts for various topical issues are as followed:
Rebalancing EVE, one ship at a time = 76 pages (skill readjustments and potential new prerequisite for ships).
What's in a name = 28 pages (renaming implants and modules).
Team Security - Banning Bad Guys and also Bad Guys = 17 pages (death to bots!!!).
Crucible 1.2 Feedback = 14 pages (expansion comments).
Introducing Team Avatar - the keymasters of bipedal gameplay = 14 pages (introduction and potential future avatar gaming).
The Feedback thread is the oldest, but has more overall views than Team Avatar, the next oldest thread. Again, this is not definitive proof beyond all doubt, but based on this thread overall and what is seen elsewhere, WIS may eventually be something, but not the "be all end all" others are hoping for here.
Thanks for reading. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:24:00 -
[3693] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Is there anybody that still hasn't placed Taiwanistan on ignore? I kinda feel like he might just be talking to himself in this thread...
lol I blocked him weeks ago
I wonder if this thread will reach 200 pages...
Edit: PS. I'm willing to talk to Team Avatar on the behalf of the pro WIS community at fan fest. All i need is a donation of one plane ticket and one fan fest ticket... Contact me in game to discuss. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.09 04:13:00 -
[3694] - Quote
the problem with wis combat, more specifically in the form of FPS or 3rd person shooter is the difficulty in setting ther severity of the conseuqnces of death.
it gets boring real quick if it is like COD where you can just derp around die a thousand deaths. but conversely there are ppl like dededemichael cartman who whine about the need to JC out of his billion isk clone.
i think a viable solution would be to introduce "walking clones" that is seperate from the regular clones that preserve skillpoints.
you can jump into and out of your walking clone back to your spaceship main clone without the 24hr cool down.
walking clones would be relatively cheap like 10m or something and price does not increase whether you have 10m or 100m sps. the drawback is that when you are in your walking clone ofcourse your skills will train at base-rate and if you want you cheapo +2s. the lore justification for walking clones is that your spaceship clone needs to hold the massive amounts of sps need for direct brain-control of ships systems, drones weapons etc, while your walking clone don't need to hold all that for walking around. perhaps this will open up a new skill tree of "ground-specific" skills (hopefully all rank1s) to be held exclusively by the walking clones.
i think i've made a best-effort to engage in discussion about wis, i don't know why i can't express my disdain for yet another moron who posts "hey lets just emote each other, look at facebook ipo ohhh social gaming let's have /dance /hug", which basically flies against the devs' directon and ignores every god damn thing that happened in the past year so who is really the troll here. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Cashantra
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.09 07:41:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:it's CCP's poor implementation of Incarna's debut that was the problem.
tell me about it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheramil/sets/72157629101001470/
warning, the last image in that set is NSFW, even if it is a direct screenshot from the game.
-- Shamistrudel > i've just realised that CCP could increase their monthly profits simply by moving everything ten km further apart. |
Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
41
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Posted - 2012.03.09 07:56:00 -
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Unfortunatelly this link doesn't work for people, who have no account at flickr.com
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Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.09 16:21:00 -
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Go ahead and hate me, troll me in game, be a total a-hole all you want. I have come to expect it from some Eve players. While I agree that some in game flying in space aspects need to be worked out first, I am in full support of WIS and am excited for it to be included in the game. I think the Avatar team has come up with one of the most realistic character creators I have seen in an MMO and it would be a waste to let it just die. As a RL licensed Medic I was shocked at how atomically correct every aspect of the Avatar looked.
A lot of games get the arms wrong, making them too short and even though it looks a little funny from a third person prospective, they are 100% natural and true to real life. In fact, minus being able to choose your high character creation is almost perfect. I am sure if they wanted they could sell the rights to the character creator they have made, its that perfect. Having played, alpha/beta tested, or trial accounted an excessive amount of MMO's, I have yet to see one that has a true-to-life Avatar creation system as accurate as CCP has come up with in WIS. Even Second Life doesn't come close and won't until mesh becomes mainstream. Like it or hate it, you should at least respect what the CCP programmers have done with the character creator. From a programming prospective its very impressive and goes to show the Avatar team is very talented. I am not jerking anyone off with that statement either; just stating a fact.
There is a core Eve player basis that can't seem to accept or get through their thick skull there is (probably a majority too) amount of people who play this game that are not Griefer/PVP/0.0 players and enjoy other aspects of the game. Have you tried scanning for anomalies? The scanning system and hidden locations to explore is like no other aspect you can find in any MMO or even standalone game. Planetary interaction is complex and a lot of fun for those of us who also enjoy empire building in games like the "Total War" series.
I signed up for a trial account and a few days later 30 days paid. I decided that I would give Eve 30 days and then decide if it was worth playing. After day three I was about to walk away due to the successive amount of co.ksucker griefers that were trolling around in space. The game is not complicated to learn, especially with the enhanced new player experience, but I can see how dealing with a minority (you may be always in the spotlight and very vocal, but you ARE the minority) of a-holes in the game will turn would-be paying customers off to the game. In my case I ignored them and explored other aspects like PI, Exploration through scanning, etc and found a gem under all the rough. I just signed up for six months.
I hope WIS work continues and is released sooner then later. Even if we get some basic functionality for the time being, like plastic surgery (edit avatar), inviting people into our captains quarters, and a public space to sit down and just b.llshit with people in Avatar form rather then over a chat window. I think that's a good start that they can build on later. Eventually it would be cool to play a game of billiards and darts that both use the in game physics and are realistic. Gambling would be a lot of fun too with blackjack, poker, and slots. I would love to see player made stations set up as casino's.
What you (minority) of griefers don't realize is there is so much more to Eve already in the game thet you seem to refuse to explore, accept, or experience. That's your choice but don't for a second pretend other people who play don't want to see content other then PVP expanded upon in the game. Eve is not just a PVP game, its a sandbox experience. I don't care how long you have been playing and how new I am, get that into your fking heads. A SANDBOX GAME. PVP is just an intricate part of that SANDBOX. I have more then one person tell me to go play XYZ game if I don't understand how Eve works, well this time its right back at you; Go play "Guild Wars" that's 100% PVP (and nothing more) because there is plenty of Non-PVP content in Eve that people can, will, and do enjoy. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:30:00 -
[3698] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Is there anybody that still hasn't placed Taiwanistan on ignore?
I thrive on having a target rich environment of morons to lead like lambs to the slaughter.
I can't even fathom blocking them. What would be the fun in that?
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:28:00 -
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Supporters of ambulation I need your support!
I appear to be the only CSM 7 candidate that will make more focus on ambulation a topic in the CSM 7 if elected.
A recent podcast blogger has been trying to put together a debate on ambulation and no CSM 6 member will even agree to participate! If CSM 7 is CSM with a new hat then they will be happy to bolt that door closed forever!
I have tried to keep politics out of this thread, but ambulation supports I need your votes! If you support my efforts to keep ambulation alive then please spread the word. Get out and vote so someday soon we can get out that door!
Issler Dainze The only pro ambulation CSM 7 candidate |
Aida Nu
Nu Industries
32
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:49:00 -
[3700] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Supporters of ambulation I need your support!
I appear to be the only CSM 7 candidate that will make more focus on ambulation a topic in the CSM 7 if elected.
A recent podcast blogger has been trying to put together a debate on ambulation and no CSM 6 member will even agree to participate! If CSM 7 is CSM with a new hat then they will be happy to bolt that door closed forever!
I have tried to keep politics out of this thread, but ambulation supports I need your votes! If you support my efforts to keep ambulation alive then please spread the word. Get out and vote so someday soon we can get out that door!
Issler Dainze The only pro ambulation CSM 7 candidate
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3405
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Posted - 2012.03.09 20:06:00 -
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The only FPS ill ever accept on stations is from dust 514 taking over outposts.
FPS is below capsuleers.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.09 21:38:00 -
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Aida Nu wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Supporters of ambulation I need your support!
I appear to be the only CSM 7 candidate that will make more focus on ambulation a topic in the CSM 7 if elected.
A recent podcast blogger has been trying to put together a debate on ambulation and no CSM 6 member will even agree to participate! If CSM 7 is CSM with a new hat then they will be happy to bolt that door closed forever!
I have tried to keep politics out of this thread, but ambulation supports I need your votes! If you support my efforts to keep ambulation alive then please spread the word. Get out and vote so someday soon we can get out that door!
Issler Dainze The only pro ambulation CSM 7 candidate Have you seen my socks? i think i have misplaced them
I'll keep an eye out for them.
Issler |
Flamespar
Woof Club
300
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Posted - 2012.03.09 22:03:00 -
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When it comes to dust players wanting to try out EVE, starting them out in an environment with which they are already familiar (ie an avatar) will help them make that transition.
Incarna will be a link between the two games,
Plus I want to be able to shoot mercs personally if they don't deliver on my contracts. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.09 22:06:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:When it comes to dust players wanting to try out EVE, starting them out in an environment with which they are already familiar (ie an avatar) will help them make that transition.
Incarna will be a link between the two games,
Plus I want to be able to shoot mercs personally if they don't deliver on my contracts.
dustbunny execution in station ........................ i like!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and a extra emote for the goons and another one I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.09 22:15:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Lol jk no one wanted Incarna.
No one that matters, that is.
No seriously, all you guys who claim to need WiS, wtf do you do when playing Eve? Do laps of the captains quarters?
that or shipspinning
i prefer walking around instead of looking at a shipspin counter.
but if you want to look at that counter be my guest ,do it forever if you like.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.09 22:57:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Flamespar wrote:When it comes to dust players wanting to try out EVE, starting them out in an environment with which they are already familiar (ie an avatar) will help them make that transition.
Incarna will be a link between the two games,
Plus I want to be able to shoot mercs personally if they don't deliver on my contracts. dustbunny execution in station ........................ i like!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and a extra emote for the goons and another one I think the term that is most popular so far is "Dustmites". EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.09 23:08:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Flamespar wrote:When it comes to dust players wanting to try out EVE, starting them out in an environment with which they are already familiar (ie an avatar) will help them make that transition.
Incarna will be a link between the two games,
Plus I want to be able to shoot mercs personally if they don't deliver on my contracts. dustbunny execution in station ........................ i like!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and a extra emote for the goons and another one I think the term that is most popular so far is "Dustmites".
hehehehehe allow us to execute a dustmite or call the exterminator. I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.10 03:51:00 -
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well sheesh DeMichael Crimson i am sorry you did not like my "walking clone" idea. remember that one time you was like no i have a billion isk clone and i won't be participating in any wis, but you like wis so much, so the solution would be a semi-desposible walking clone, so that you don't have to be dealing with JC 24hr cooldown like everybody else.
and you are right when i am in deklein i can die everytime i fleet up or go ratting so i can only be scrubbing it out with +2 instead of +5s but i deal with it like everybody else with a hisec clone. i mean with goon reimbursements i am doing ok but not incursion rich or anything. and non-consensual pvp is vindictive? so according to you all station environments are hallowed holy ground THOU SHALL NOT GANK.
you also said i was like hung up on past events? well i kinda am cus i don't think CCP just laid off 20% staff for giggles. my impression was that it's greek time austerity measures and all that so focus should be placed on the core, and not extraneous, now are you going to try and tell me that emoting and mini games are the core of eve online? i mean i really made a best-effort post but if you'd like i can go back to weapons-free trolling. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Cashantra
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.10 03:58:00 -
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Gerald Taric wrote:Unfortunatelly this link doesn't work for people, who have no account at flickr.com
unfortunately i can't find another site that will host nudity. |
ACESsiggy
Red Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.03.10 08:13:00 -
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+
I would like to see some additions to CQ's too but I would also like to see some improvements to the design or engine. I feel like I'm playing Modern Warfare 3 multiplayer or Battlefield 3 how my video card kicks into overdrive ... i can't be the only one here.
GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥ |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1957
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Posted - 2012.03.10 10:26:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog
Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.03.10 11:57:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote: The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way.
Guard, why was this not figured out 6 years ago when walking in stations was first envisaged? How have CCP managed to spend so many thousands of man-hours and millions of dollars working on a game project that contains no gameplay?
Is it any wonder that so many players (and, one has to suspect, CCP employees) are completely jaded by the whole concept? ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Jade Knight07
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 12:09:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things
There seems to be a reoccurring misconception about the communities stance on WiS. It is shocking to me how often our response about WiS/Incarna is incomplete or massively over simplified.
The real disappointment wasn't solely the fact that CCP shifted resources away from FiS stuff. The REAL disappointment is from the fact that Incarna was the most pathetic feature ever launched. 4 years of planning and programming and testing and making videos showing off station environment, talking about mini games smuggling, added to the communities perception of what this could bring to EVE, turning it into a COMPLETE Sifi game with meaning full avatar game play, and all we got was a small dimly lit room!?! There was more Incarna released with the character created and after with Crucible then there was with incarna!
I can only speculate on the amount of time resources and awesome talent contained within CCP that was thrown out he window.
I am all for WiS, bring the meaningful avatar game play on! Give me establishments, smuggling, and eventually some FPS elements. Like the eluded to fighting with sleepers at one of their sites. The thought is F#$*ing awesome. But after years and years of talk and teasers don't EVEN bother giving me a single room!
Then it was the implementation, forcing everyone to use WiS after you'd promised us that wouldn't happen. With the totally shameless over priced NEX store. WTFGǪ As for the question of pay to winGǪ I honestly can't remember anything said or done which suggested that was going to happen. However I am also, totally against it.
I know that CCP has realized they made a mistake and its encouraging that they did so and stated it. But I really wonder if they understand what went wrong. There is no reasonable way WiS could be taken any slower if 4+ years amounted to just 4 small roomsGǪ well you do the math, that is unbelievably slow. WiS is still a great idea but after "18 months" of talk and promise neither the WiS part nor the FiS part made, and I mean really, any progress. <-- if anything that is a lesson in expectations management, and at best I believe that embodies the REAL Frustration the player base had and has.
I am thrilled to see the work that is currently being done. The progress you've made in the last six months or so, is awesome. The things that are coming out soon, are again, all kinds of awesomeness. I really appreciate it. I can only hope what I've said here helps to define the true problem. IMHO, I believe that if WiS was as full featured as eluded to up until Incarna it would have been a smash hit across the board. Of course there are all ways the hatersGǪ but thatGÇÖs all they know how to do. Them hating something is.. Well.. Meaningless.
Disclaimer - This is just my opinion. I've been a loyal customer for over 3 years and have 3 accounts. Eve is one of the best MMO out there. I apologize for the adversarial tone of this post but it sparked a bit of passion within me. I wouldn't bother posting this if I felt otherwise. Lastly, CCP Guard I just want to say I appreciate you sticking with these issues, taking the heat but still coming thru to delieve whatever info you can gather. Your awesome man!
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.03.10 12:26:00 -
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Jade Knight07 wrote:Then it was the implementation, forcing everyone to use WiS after you'd promised us that wouldn't happen.
The 'turn off station environments' option was a slap in the face to us all.
If you didn't want the Captain's Quarters, CCP literally showed you the door. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.03.10 12:29:00 -
[3715] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Jade Knight07 wrote:Then it was the implementation, forcing everyone to use WiS after you'd promised us that wouldn't happen. The 'turn off station environments' option was a slap in the face to us all. If you didn't want the Captain's Quarters, CCP literally showed you the door.
Na, it's just an option that should have been there when Incarna launched. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.10 13:29:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things
So nothing new ,we all understand that for some reason CCP somehow misplaced the WIS blueprints and that there is only a small EvE avatar team
this is from 17-1-2012
CCP Bayesian wrote:Time for some new information on our plans.
Incarna is not dead, it is however on a slight hiatus with much less development effort being put towards it. This is partly due to the refocus on to spaceship gameplay and the War expansion. Mainly it's because we want to take the time to do the gameplay in Incarna right and learn from the mistakes we made in creating the initial release.
The effort is being led by a new, small team inventively named Team Avatar. We're tasked with maintenance and improvement of existing systems, developing new features for the Captains Quarters, NeX Store and Character Creator and prototyping multiplayer gameplay for Incarna. Our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release.
We are interested in your ideas and will trawl this epic thread to see what you guys have been discussing. Any more suggestions would be good to put in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum just so that they are more visible to us.
We'll be coming out with more concrete information on what this all entails soonish but fire away with questions.
So what ideas the community has brought up is liked by CCP ?
after 53 days reading this thread and other ones you must have some clue ,is it not
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
616
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Posted - 2012.03.10 14:19:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:CCP Guard wrote: The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. Guard, why was this not figured out 6 years ago when walking in stations was first envisaged? How have CCP managed to spend so many thousands of man-hours and millions of dollars working on a game project that contains no gameplay? they implemented the technology behind the game. The intention was obviously to reuse it for other stuff (e.g vampires). the rest of the story is documented via blog entries a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Chet Hewer
The Aridia Syndicate Yulai Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 15:02:00 -
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WIS (with other players present in the same environment) has been the main thing that has kept me hanging on to this game. I keep waiting and hoping it will happen some day, but it keeps being delayed. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.03.10 15:25:00 -
[3719] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things
Well, we are convinced that you have a plan. But the news about plans for WiS are a bit like the news about the end of the world: they're less thrilling after each Last Day.
So yes, we know you have a plan, and we certainly like that you have a plan, what else can we do? But you also did have such plans in 2006, 2008 and 2011.
And, beyond plans, the factual reality is that you are not going to provide any meaningful gameplay to WiS at least until winter 2013, and we'll be crazy lucky if you as much as add social interaction to our prison cells earlier than that... say, summer 2013. Which means that your plan is to have a plan for well over a year, and that if the CSM and the special interests it represents don't interfere. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1040
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Posted - 2012.03.10 15:34:00 -
[3720] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things Well, we are convinced that you have a plan. But the news about plans for WiS are a bit like the news about the end of the world: they're less thrilling after each Last Day. So yes, we know you have a plan, and we certainly like that you have a plan, what else can we do? But you also did have such plans in 2006, 2008 and 2011. And, beyond plans, the factual reality is that you are not going to provide any meaningful gameplay to WiS at least until winter 2013, and we'll be crazy lucky if you as much as add social interaction to our prison cells earlier than that... say, summer 2013. Which means that your plan is to have a plan for well over a year, and that if the CSM and the special interests it represents don't interfere. There shall be at least one additional 3d engine change and total /dev/binning of all existing stuff before space barbies hit the airlock @ 2020 nuke dukem forever style with roadkillish twist.
But hey... it will be worth the wait and makes good comedy about CCP's 3 step plan->create->deliver approach where third step always creates "guru meditation"-error and reboots the process.
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neur0zen
AtlantiA French Corp Yulai Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.10 17:00:00 -
[3721] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
....
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
+1
And people should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.03.10 18:08:00 -
[3722] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things
Thanks for posting that clip Guard. Here's to hoping you guys are working on something new and exciting to bring to eve, other than fixes/polish. |
Kale deCoste
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 18:15:00 -
[3723] - Quote
I look forward to the development of WIS. I really want to an immersive experience from Eve. Being able to walk around seedy bars, getting missions from shady contacts, checking out the strippers, cleaning out other players over poker etc etc etc would be so awesome. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.03.10 23:02:00 -
[3724] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
No, no, no...
I didn't write anything about what you are delivering. I am writing about what you guys are not delivering.
Don't misunderstand me, i deeply respect you and all CCP devs. I think that you are one of the best DEVs in MMO industry because you guys have vision and are working to achieve that; and you guys as development studio don't work only specially for money (at least you were not in the past, and i hope you do not now)
Why i wrote that was because, lets all be honest, honesty is not your strong side. Past is the witness. You told us many different fairy tales (if not all fairy tales in the world) and we believed you, and then nothing comes out from one fairy tale, then second, then third... We can neglect said things, it can be interpreted many ways , lets count only things where you showed us videos or pictures... you see my point.
That's why i am complaining, because we all know that isn't all you say the truth. I only want that our voice is heard. We don't want noting that isn't promised to us, many times, many ways, for many years now. And when i see name of team Avatar (And we are talking about team of only few devs here.) above 2/3 of things that is not about avatars i am afraid that team Avatar is only (again) one PR thing and that you are neglecting us, and WiS, again... and i ask myself, for how many years will this go on, and on, and on!?... And we are talking about team of only few devs here.
My words are complains, but are not with bad intentions. |
Aquila Draco
143
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Posted - 2012.03.11 09:36:00 -
[3725] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way No, no, no... I didn't write anything about what you are delivering. I am writing about what you guys are not delivering. Don't misunderstand me, i deeply respect you and all CCP devs. I think that you are one of the best DEVs in MMO industry because you guys have vision and are working to achieve that; and you guys as development studio don't work only specially for money (at least you were not in the past, and i hope you do not now) Why i wrote that was because, lets all be honest, honesty is not your strong side. Past is the witness. You told us many different fairy tales (if not all fairy tales in the world) and we believed you, and then nothing comes out from one fairy tale, then second, then third... We can neglect said things, it can be interpreted many ways , lets count only things where you showed us videos or pictures... you see my point. That's why i am complaining, because we all know that isn't all you say the truth. I only want that our voice is heard. We don't want noting that isn't promised to us, many times, many ways, for many years now. And when i see name of team Avatar (And we are talking about team of only few devs here.) above 2/3 of things that is not about avatars i am afraid that team Avatar is only (again) one PR thing and that you are neglecting us, and WiS, again... and i ask myself, for how many years will this go on, and on, and on!?... And we are talking about team of only few devs here. My words are complains, but are not with bad intentions.
CCP, thank you for everything, but this guy have a point.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:33:00 -
[3726] - Quote
Dear WiS fetishists,
Please continue to insult and belittle the devs that are working hard to make the game better for everybody. It will make them less likely to listen to your silly ideas about abandoning real Eve content for more space barbie foolishness.
Sincerely,
99% of Eve players The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:34:00 -
[3727] - Quote
Aquila Draco wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way No, no, no... I didn't write anything about what you are delivering. I am writing about what you guys are not delivering. Don't misunderstand me, i deeply respect you and all CCP devs. I think that you are one of the best DEVs in MMO industry because you guys have vision and are working to achieve that; and you guys as development studio don't work only specially for money (at least you were not in the past, and i hope you do not now) Why i wrote that was because, lets all be honest, honesty is not your strong side. Past is the witness. You told us many different fairy tales (if not all fairy tales in the world) and we believed you, and then nothing comes out from one fairy tale, then second, then third... We can neglect said things, it can be interpreted many ways , lets count only things where you showed us videos or pictures... you see my point. That's why i am complaining, because we all know that isn't all you say the truth. I only want that our voice is heard. We don't want noting that isn't promised to us, many times, many ways, for many years now. And when i see name of team Avatar (And we are talking about team of only few devs here.) above 2/3 of things that is not about avatars i am afraid that team Avatar is only (again) one PR thing and that you are neglecting us, and WiS, again... and i ask myself, for how many years will this go on, and on, and on!?... And we are talking about team of only few devs here. My words are complains, but are not with bad intentions. CCP, thank you for everything, but this guy have a point.
I don't think that they're actively lieing, but also they can't be trusted on the base of what they say and must be checked against what they do.
And what they do, is to put a couple of their big kahunas on a team purposed to work on avatars (but also multitasking on other issues). This team is delivering sutff that was to be delivered in winter 2011 post-Incarna and is claimed to be working on a plan to do major WiS stuff... a stage WiS should had gone through 5 to 6 years ago, nonetheless.
What CCP is not doing is to devote serious manpower to WiS. Neither is working on minor WiS stuff (I nickname it "CiC" or "chatting in CQ"). Also is not dealing with the NEx store and how 90% of its deliverable content has been locked frozen for well over 9 months.
My personal guess is that they plain don't have enough resources to do new stuff for EVE and deal with the EVE backlog of broken stuff. Specifically, I guess that their abbility to do new stuff is already at maximum capacity dealing with DUST and also WoD.
But they can't openly admit that the best option for players expecting WiS is to GTFO and pray that DUST is a hit. Only this way CCP could (if they wanted to) devote extra income to extra manpower to develop the sort of Jesus feature that would allow EVE to preach to the masses and not just to the grumpy, CSM empowered choir.
Seriously dudes. If you want WiS, pray that DUST hits the nail. As if DUST fails to provide hard cash to CCP, WiS is dead. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Pent'nor
32
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Posted - 2012.03.11 11:41:00 -
[3728] - Quote
I am happy with the new Team Avatar. It is a step in a direction that I thought was lost a couple of months ago. Someone has a huge task before them in trying to figure out what wis should be and then creating beautiful flowcharts and other things that will be used by future teams. I cant imagine any of it being easy. The push that I'd like to see while they try to figure out what to do with wis is on making it meaningful, not just a glorified social mini game. Missions, killing (don't see why a station can't act as a huge pod for saving and downloading you to a new clone), Repairing ships, owning parts of a station... there is an endless amount of things, although I do fear with how wonderful the graphics are in the current CQ, our graphic cards would scream a toasty death if what I would like to see is implemented... We would need to be able to seriously dumb down the visuals/physics to be able to walk into a room full of avatars or npc's. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:16:00 -
[3729] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Seriously dudes. If you want WiS, pray that DUST hits the nail. As if DUST fails to provide hard cash to CCP, WiS is dead.
Glad to see you finally figured out what I was saying last year. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.03.11 17:05:00 -
[3730] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:[quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai Seriously dudes. If you want WiS, pray that DUST hits the nail. As if DUST fails to provide hard cash to CCP, WiS is dead.[/quote Glad to see you finally figured out what I was saying last year.
The corolary is that EVE will also be dead without WiS, as it's the only thing it can do to outgrow the niche where it's cornered now without losing the niche dwellers. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
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Jame Jarl Retief
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.11 17:55:00 -
[3731] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Doc Fury wrote:[quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai Seriously dudes. If you want WiS, pray that DUST hits the nail. As if DUST fails to provide hard cash to CCP, WiS is dead.[/quote Glad to see you finally figured out what I was saying last year. The corolary is that EVE will also be dead without WiS, as it's the only thing it can do to outgrow the niche where it's cornered now without losing the niche dwellers.
It won't be dead, it'll just remain niche. It lived on for what, almost 9 years as niche game? It can probably continue to live quite a while as niche game.
One can also argue that WIS won't save EVE from being a niche game. What I mean is, even if they implement a full avatar system and all that jazz, the core of the game will still be the same - ships, complexity, etc. Avatars won't make the game suddenly very attractive to a while new player base. Not without changing core game mechanics, which has the potential to kill the current player base without attracting anyone new.
As for DUST, if they wanted money, perhaps they could have published it on PC instead of PS3? Speaking for myself and every EVE player I know personally, none of us have a PS3 console, and none of us are going to buy one for DUST alone. However, had they released Dust on Steam, for example, side by side with TF2 and the like, I know lots of folks that would have tried it just because it's something new. And who knows, maybe they'd get hooked.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.11 17:57:00 -
[3732] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Doc Fury wrote:[quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai Seriously dudes. If you want WiS, pray that DUST hits the nail. As if DUST fails to provide hard cash to CCP, WiS is dead.[/quote Glad to see you finally figured out what I was saying last year. The corolary is that EVE will also be dead without WiS, as it's the only thing it can do to outgrow the niche where it's cornered now without losing the niche dwellers.
That sounds like a bunch of FUD to me, EVE has done just fine for a decade without WIS and it still is attracting new players. CCP was raking in the cash before they overextended themselves, and now that they have refocused they are slowly starting to recover.
A smarter argument instead of proposing that EVE will be doomed or dead without WIS, would be that EVE would benefit greatly and attract even more players via WIS that contained meaningful* gameplay and features that affect the rest of the game.
*meaningful does not mean more clothes, vanity crappola, emoting, mini-games or purely PVE content.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Jame Jarl Retief
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:08:00 -
[3733] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:A smarter argument instead of proposing that EVE will be doomed or dead without WIS, would be that EVE would benefit greatly and attract even more players via WIS that contained meaningful* gameplay and features that affect the rest of the game.
*meaningful does not mean more clothes, vanity crappola, emoting, mini-games or purely PVE content.
That's the real problem with WIS. It may eventually prove to be impossible to add meaningful WIS gameplay to EVE the way it is.
I mean, picture this. You're a new player, never played EVE before. You log in for the first time, create your avatar. So far, awesome experience. Then you get your avatar into the world, you see the cabin, still nice. You walk outside, and see other players walking, talking, shopping, playing tabletop games, etc.
BUT, you have exactly 10k ISK in your wallet. Not much you can do with that. How can you make money so you can start having fun? Well, you don't have enough to trade with, and a new player will NOT sink extra $20 for a PLEX to turn into ISK for a game they're trying just out of curiosity. And that leaves them with - mining or ratting/missioning. Both of which are still as boring today as they were back in 2003, albeit a lot prettier. Player gets bored, player leaves.
The only way I see WIS working meaningfully is to merge DUST with EVE, and allow running avatar-based missions. In other words, turn it into something like Mass Effect. Because black market trading alone and games/gambling won't be enough. They could dabble in a little adult content (1.0 to 0.5 is PG-13, 0.5-0.1 is T, 0.0 rated M), but that might attract a TOTALLY wrong kind of people to the game, not to mention an awful lot of negative publicity. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:09:00 -
[3734] - Quote
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Doc Fury wrote:[quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai Seriously dudes. If you want WiS, pray that DUST hits the nail. As if DUST fails to provide hard cash to CCP, WiS is dead.[/quote Glad to see you finally figured out what I was saying last year. The corolary is that EVE will also be dead without WiS, as it's the only thing it can do to outgrow the niche where it's cornered now without losing the niche dwellers. It won't be dead, it'll just remain niche. It lived on for what, almost 9 years as niche game? It can probably continue to live quite a while as niche game. One can also argue that WIS won't save EVE from being a niche game. What I mean is, even if they implement a full avatar system and all that jazz, the core of the game will still be the same - ships, complexity, etc. Avatars won't make the game suddenly very attractive to a while new player base. Not without changing core game mechanics, which has the potential to kill the current player base without attracting anyone new. As for DUST, if they wanted money, perhaps they could have published it on PC instead of PS3? Speaking for myself and every EVE player I know personally, none of us have a PS3 console, and none of us are going to buy one for DUST alone. However, had they released Dust on Steam, for example, side by side with TF2 and the like, I know lots of folks that would have tried it just because it's something new. And who knows, maybe they'd get hooked.
Well, they're going after an untapped source of customers: 63 million of PS3 owners.
Why don't have DUST for PC? Because it would attract exactly the kind of people who already are playing EVE. DUST is EVE on tarmac, and it would actually compete with EVE for customers... not a lot of future there.
When your trouble is that you've run out of potential customers, when you are already selling your game to everyone who could be interested in it, when your subscription rate an thus your revenue reaches stanflation... then all directions point down unless you begin selling something else to somebody else.
DUST to potential EVE players who don't own a PC or can't be bothered with the intricacies of FiS politics WoD to people who would never buy a scifi dystopia WiS to people who would buy your scifi dystopia on the assumption that sooner or later they would be allowed to stand on two feet. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Tsijha Zirud
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:24:00 -
[3735] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: WiS to people who would buy your scifi dystopia on the assumption that sooner or later they would be allowed to stand on two feet.
Looking at options for captians quarter:
My current precloned self has to agree |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.03.11 23:42:00 -
[3736] - Quote
Ill rewrite (copy -> paste) part of what i said before, because i think i must do it again:
How you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST... There is only CCP - the development studio. They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money. All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game. Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way. Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead.
You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then. You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time.
There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen. Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech? Why you want EVE dead?
And many ppl like WiS. Many ppl want WiS. Many ppl need WiS to play EVE. So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever?
But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.) But... Well... thats impossible. If you dont grow, you die. Law of the stronger.
(its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.)
p.s. I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS. I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk. Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again.
... stuff ... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.11 23:45:00 -
[3737] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS.
Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees.
I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.03.11 23:48:00 -
[3738] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees. I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again.
LOL...
I knew that you or someone from the list of few ppl will write something like that... so... i wrote p.s. in my last post -> read it. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.11 23:51:00 -
[3739] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees. I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again. LOL... I knew that you or someone from the list of few ppl will write something like that... so... i wrote p.s. in my last post -> read it.
So your assertion is that CCP had to lay off 20% of their employees because they *gained* customers after Incarna? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.03.11 23:52:00 -
[3740] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees. I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again. LOL... I knew that you or someone from the list of few ppl will write something like that... so... i wrote p.s. in my last post -> read it. So your assertion is that CCP had to lay off 20% of their employees because they *gained* customers after Incarna?
No... they had to lay off 20% of theri employees because there was no WiS at all. |
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Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:05:00 -
[3741] - Quote
Eventually, EVE will NEED WIS, even if the current players don't see it this way. Sooner or later something will happen and EVE will need to adapt into something that's more than just spaceships.
If a lot of old players quit "because of WIS" it doesn't mean it'll stop a lot more new players from coming in, for the new players WIS will be normal and not something new that's to be feared.
..kinda like getting glasses. If you've never had glasses and you get some, your friends and family might note how different you look with them, but any new person you meet wont even notice because they've never seen you without them.
That's my pearl of WISdom for the day.
Edit: Wait, I'm not finished.
If the old players don't want it, they can't decide what's right or wrong for new players.. old players saying they don't want WIS is just them being selfish.. interesting. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
234
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:19:00 -
[3742] - Quote
Man i love reading my daily WiS QQ
Pandas that way etc. etc. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:38:00 -
[3743] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:DUST to potential EVE players who don't own a PC or can't be bothered with the intricacies of FiS politics WoD to people who would never buy a scifi dystopia WiS to people who would buy your scifi dystopia on the assumption that sooner or later they would be allowed to stand on two feet.
That is a compelling argument for WiS to be a separate, yet linked game like Dust 514. I still believe that is their best way forward. WiS should be a separate game, like DUST, with its own gameplay and direction and be completely optional. This allows them to market it to the wider MMO populace without polluting the FiS component with a completely different gameplay. They can focus a proper development team on it and sell it as a separate product along with microtransactions and all the other goodies.
Then allow an EVE pilot to be able to use their EVE avatar in-game, slap on some smart, Dust-like interaction between the two and voila. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.12 02:23:00 -
[3744] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:DUST to potential EVE players who don't own a PC or can't be bothered with the intricacies of FiS politics WoD to people who would never buy a scifi dystopia WiS to people who would buy your scifi dystopia on the assumption that sooner or later they would be allowed to stand on two feet. That is a compelling argument for WiS to be a separate, yet linked game like Dust 514. I still believe that is their best way forward. WiS should be a separate game, like DUST, with its own gameplay and direction and be completely optional. This allows them to market it to the wider MMO populace without polluting the FiS component with a completely different gameplay. They can focus a proper development team on it and sell it as a separate product along with microtransactions and all the other goodies. Then allow an EVE pilot to be able to use their EVE avatar in-game, slap on some smart, Dust-like interaction between the two and voila.
yeah eve will eventually need wis, but not until team avatar come up with some meaningful gameplay, eve online as a spaceship game is like a sport, football, basketball, it's basically the same game but do people whine about it being stagnant? they might do micro adjustments here and there but really those games are quite perfected in the way they work. do you know there's a thing called slamball, it's basketball with trampoline and it's moronic. so no, don't add trampolines to fis. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.12 02:44:00 -
[3745] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:No... they had to lay off 20% of theri employees because there was no WiS at all.
Sure there was. Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.03.12 02:51:00 -
[3746] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:DUST to potential EVE players who don't own a PC or can't be bothered with the intricacies of FiS politics WoD to people who would never buy a scifi dystopia WiS to people who would buy your scifi dystopia on the assumption that sooner or later they would be allowed to stand on two feet. That is a compelling argument for WiS to be a separate, yet linked game like Dust 514. I still believe that is their best way forward. WiS should be a separate game, like DUST, with its own gameplay and direction and be completely optional. This allows them to market it to the wider MMO populace without polluting the FiS component with a completely different gameplay. They can focus a proper development team on it and sell it as a separate product along with microtransactions and all the other goodies. Then allow an EVE pilot to be able to use their EVE avatar in-game, slap on some smart, Dust-like interaction between the two and voila. yeah eve will eventually need wis, but not until team avatar come up with some meaningful gameplay, eve online as a spaceship game is like a sport, football, basketball, it's basically the same game but do people whine about it being stagnant? they might do micro adjustments here and there but really those games are quite perfected in the way they work. do you know there's a thing called slamball, it's basketball with trampoline and it's moronic. so no, don't add trampolines to fis.
Are you agreeing with me or not understanding what I wrote and disagreeing with me? |
Ganjjabeard
Good Vs. Neutral Stop Exploding You Cowards
10
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Posted - 2012.03.12 03:38:00 -
[3747] - Quote
i want WiS it looks awesome. primarily because of that dust 514/eve trailer where in the beginning the one dude is standing at this huge window looking out into space i wanna be able to do that and see other ships off station floatin around thatd be so awesome |
Arem Caslgate
Radiant Technologies Sanctuary Pact
4
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Posted - 2012.03.12 03:44:00 -
[3748] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:No... they had to lay off 20% of theri employees because there was no WiS at all. Sure there was. Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected?
This encapsulates my thoughts on walk in stations, just build them on time and with something to do lol. |
None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.03.12 05:11:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
You have to admit it is confusing.
We were just trying to get used to the idea that team Avatar was working on WiS, and this comes out with significant UI and other changes being accredited to you guys.
Some useful stuff there, yes. Glad to see that.
How does your team relate to CCP Punktoris' team?
Was this a pitch in effort? Like how Atlanta pitched in during the crucible development?
CCP has somewhat self-selected some of the biggest ingrates and rat-bastards (said with love for you all in my heart, I promise) as their player base, although thankfully not all are. In addition, there seems some consistent trend for self-harm (you folk could use some help in the PR dept, hope this new marketing guy is on top of that).
I am a little surprised that the response shocks you.
Try not to let it get you down though, there actually is a lot of support for you (Team Avatar) even if there is a confusion and apprehension about what is this plan and what you are working on.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.12 05:40:00 -
[3750] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:DUST to potential EVE players who don't own a PC or can't be bothered with the intricacies of FiS politics WoD to people who would never buy a scifi dystopia WiS to people who would buy your scifi dystopia on the assumption that sooner or later they would be allowed to stand on two feet. That is a compelling argument for WiS to be a separate, yet linked game like Dust 514. I still believe that is their best way forward. WiS should be a separate game, like DUST, with its own gameplay and direction and be completely optional. This allows them to market it to the wider MMO populace without polluting the FiS component with a completely different gameplay. They can focus a proper development team on it and sell it as a separate product along with microtransactions and all the other goodies. Then allow an EVE pilot to be able to use their EVE avatar in-game, slap on some smart, Dust-like interaction between the two and voila. yeah eve will eventually need wis, but not until team avatar come up with some meaningful gameplay, eve online as a spaceship game is like a sport, football, basketball, it's basically the same game but do people whine about it being stagnant? they might do micro adjustments here and there but really those games are quite perfected in the way they work. do you know there's a thing called slamball, it's basketball with trampoline and it's moronic. so no, don't add trampolines to fis. Are you agreeing with me or not understanding what I wrote and disagreeing with me? actually, i agree with you, a separate game would be the best final solution to the question of the deviant emoting barbie lovers, if unfortunately team avatar cannot come up with any sort of meaningful gameplay. but if they do that i'd rather they do the WOD stuff, as i understand White Wolf has quite a large table-top gaming market, they might as well go tap into it. i've also noticed you can literally print money with the vampire werewolf stuff. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.12 06:05:00 -
[3751] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees. I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again.
So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs.
The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'.
Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order.
The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."
Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner.
Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer.
By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected? |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.03.12 06:38:00 -
[3752] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:actually, i agree with you, a separate game would be the best final solution to the question of the deviant emoting barbie lovers, if unfortunately team avatar cannot come up with any sort of meaningful gameplay. but if they do that i'd rather they do the WOD stuff, as i understand White Wolf has quite a large table-top gaming market, they might as well go tap into it. i've also noticed you can literally print money with the vampire werewolf stuff.
Thank you for the clarification. I don't like the "deviant emoting barbie lovers" as a term, as I am very much in favour of WiS. (As a separate game, as I said)
There is cross-over (potentially) between WoD and a WiS EVE game in terms of underlying technology. Yes, there may be separate rulesets for character development, but the ambulation, interface and building blocks for the universe will likely be compatible / re-useable. (At least, I'd hope so)
I would hope they combine the best of the two to create a real WiS experience that will contribute to the EVE universe without taking away from the core of the EVE Online experience.
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Khonsu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.12 07:55:00 -
[3753] - Quote
Just checking if I understand this correctly.
CCP spent several years and tons of money and work hours on delivering a 10 square meter broom closet where you can use the same features as you already could through the station buttons. Plus the fantastic feature of having your avatar sit on a sofa watching commercials on TV.
And after all these millions and years spent, they're still in the phase where they're considering thinking about trying to come up with a plan for figuring out which WiS features would be nice to implement? And the token group of people who sometimes think about this while eating their lunch, have several other tasks with higher priority?
OK, this has probably been beaten to death, but I've been away for some time... But coming back to find they just added a balcony where I can stare at my ship, which remains interesting for around 0,4 seconds (didn't some dev stress that they require high replayability in the additions?), leaves me unimpressed.
So yes, I'm pretty much ranting about something everybody agrees is broken. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.03.12 08:48:00 -
[3754] - Quote
[quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai]
Well, they're going after an untapped source of customers: 63 million of PS3 owners [/quote
The problem is that the PS3 is already saturated with generic FPS and eve just adds to the list. Sure, Dust has the gimmick of being connected the EVE but I don't think your average PS3 owner will care.
The only saving grace is that Dust will be free so maybe the casual shooter fan will play it while all the seriouse FPS players will be playing games like call of duty and battlefield. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:05:00 -
[3755] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:No... they had to lay off 20% of theri employees because there was no WiS at all. Sure there was. Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected?
You allways forget one thing. That 18 months was for carbonization of EVE. That's what majority of EVE DEVs worked on. Just look at how much of EVE code was rewritten and pushed out after that "18 months". You can see numerous bugs that appeared in all things that worked before and on the first look that did not seem like they touched it. You can see it that after "Incarna" list of CCPs technologies appeared on CCP web page all named with "Carbon" prefix. You can see it in tests of many "Carbon" things and putting it in game, like UI, like inventory, and stuff like that. They had to rewrite 8 years of old messy python code and rewrite it in C on all crucial parts of the game because it take 10 times more time for new programmers to find head and tale in that code and to implement something.
You see how they can magically change many things over night that they could not before??? Yea, thats because of it.
Their error was that they did not tell that to player base, maybe because some ppl would quit .
In that time one part of the staff worked on WiS (majority of designers) and they just didn't have time to make WiS and create what they advertise.
So please don't tell me they worked on WiS all that much. In 2 years (after pre production) you can make all new game from nothing. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:13:00 -
[3756] - Quote
Khonsu wrote:Just checking if I understand this correctly.
CCP spent several years and tons of money and work hours on delivering a 10 square meter broom closet where you can use the same features as you already could through the station buttons. Plus the fantastic feature of having your avatar sit on a sofa watching commercials on TV.
And after all these millions and years spent, they're still in the phase where they're considering thinking about trying to come up with a plan for figuring out which WiS features would be nice to implement? And the token group of people who sometimes think about this while eating their lunch, have several other tasks with higher priority?
OK, this has probably been beaten to death, but I've been away for some time... But coming back to find they just added a balcony where I can stare at my ship, which remains interesting for around 0,4 seconds (didn't some dev stress that they require high replayability in the additions?), leaves me unimpressed.
So yes, I'm pretty much ranting about something everybody agrees is broken.
And yea... that's why ppl left. They told us that they are working on WiS all that time, ppl wanted WiS and they wait, and then there was nothing of stuff their promised and it was all published with lame excuses. Only one prison cell and thats it... come on...
Ppl got frustrated by lies and by lack of WiS features that they were waiting for years, and after they have been patient for the last 18 months because promises of awesomeness, they left. |
General Jung
Asgard Intelligence Services Most Usual Suspects
1
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:14:00 -
[3757] - Quote
Dear CCP,
keep on working on incarna the social-economic perspective to EVE and ignore those who won-¦t understand. But it clear there is much todo in space and other areas from envolving and developing perspective. |
Alfred Mahan
Task Force 42
4
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:20:00 -
[3758] - Quote
Dear CCP,
Close the NEX store and stop throwing resources at WiS. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM. Vote Here: http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:49:00 -
[3759] - Quote
FiS Eve = Spaceship pew pew.
Dust = Walking around pew pew.
WiS Eve = Walking around... erm... yeah... just walking around. Doing jack all.
Let Incarna die, dont waste any more time, instead use the technology to let my capsuleer grab guns and pwn the CoD fanboys on Dust. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:50:00 -
[3760] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear WiS fetishists,
Please continue to insult and belittle the devs that are working hard to make the game better for everybody. It will make them less likely to listen to your silly ideas about abandoning real Eve content for more space barbie foolishness.
Sincerely,
99% of Eve players
I did not insult anyone. And i don't know how person can have that low intelligence so that cant differentiate whats insult and whats not.
p.s. And please, don't insult other EVE players with that signature under that post. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.12 15:55:00 -
[3761] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear WiS fetishists,
Please continue to insult and belittle the devs that are working hard to make the game better for everybody. It will make them less likely to listen to your silly ideas about abandoning real Eve content for more space barbie foolishness.
Sincerely,
99% of Eve players I did not insult anyone. And i don't know how person can have that low intelligence so that cant differentiate whats insult and whats not. p.s. And please, don't insult other EVE players with that signature under that post.
Don,t blame mister Harlot having so much alts ,its easy to think that you are 99% of the playerbase
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.12 16:01:00 -
[3762] - Quote
Alfred Mahan wrote:Dear CCP,
Close the NEX store and stop throwing resources at WiS.
agreed on the Nex store a real reason for the summerrage
Sorry but i want WIS so i disagree about that
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
543
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Posted - 2012.03.12 16:07:00 -
[3763] - Quote
There is an easy way for us to show CCP how many players want Wis work and how many do not.
All those who want WiS work: Keep your CQ turned on. Spread the word to others who do not read the forums. CCP knows how many players have it on so this will give them a direct measure of WiS interest. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Ai Shun
351
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:03:00 -
[3764] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:There is an easy way for us to show CCP how many players want Wis work and how many do not.
All those who want WiS work: Keep your CQ turned on. Spread the word to others who do not read the forums. CCP knows how many players have it on so this will give them a direct measure of WiS interest.
It would certainly be an easy way to get a skewed result that favours our position, yes. I can completely see why you would want it that way. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1220
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:34:00 -
[3765] - Quote
If this isn't already the case then the anti WiS players should just shut the **** up now. If I didn't like WiS, I wouldn't run it at all. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Scitor Nantom
AfterMath. Broken Toys
2
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:42:00 -
[3766] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
Work on the plan, not the product at this point.
I disagree. I like agile development:
Quote:The Agile Manifesto reads, in its entirety, as follows:[1]
We are uncovering better ways of developing software by doing it and helping others do it. Through this work we have come to value:
Individuals and interactions over processes and tools Working software over comprehensive documentation Customer collaboration over contract negotiation Responding to change over following a plan That is, while there is value in the items on the right, we value the items on the left more.
FiS is great, but WiS pulls it all together and creates immersion. I can see all of this as modular based on logical structure design of stations.
1st, create fully fleshed Captains Quarters 2nd, create fully fleshed main open air station areas 3rd, create fully fleshed bars, shops, etc. with games, gambling games, entertainment, etc. 4th, add more features to all of this and possibly implement other interesting things within station that correspond to New Eden lore
I'm all in for WiS. Maybe we can eventually shoot people in the face... in stations. Just throwing this out:
I'd love for a way for a pilot to come out of capsule in a suit, spacewalk to a titan (or other ship), find a way in, take out guards, etc, but sneak their way to either the pilot or engine and take him or the engine out via sabotage.
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Ai Shun
352
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:46:00 -
[3767] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:If this isn't already the case then the anti WiS players should just shut the **** up now. If I didn't like WiS, I wouldn't run it at all.
Are you really so stupid that you think other paying customers should refrain from voicing their opinion just because they disagree with you?
Really?
Do you not see those who dislike WiS could turn around as easily and say:
Quote:If this isn't already the case then the anti FiS players should just shut the **** up now. If I didn't like FiS, I wouldn't run it at all.
And that would be dumb. Very, very dumb. Try to have a constructive debate and ignore the ones that are not constructive. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1223
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:32:00 -
[3768] - Quote
I think you missed the point of my post entirely. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Aquila Draco
146
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:34:00 -
[3769] - Quote
This is just LOL...
Guy thats pro WiS write lines and lines and lines of opinions and facts... And then few anti WiS ppl comes and write one or two whole lines anty wis. We all see now whose group have more brain and facts to sustain their opinions. |
Alfred Mahan
Task Force 42
6
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:27:00 -
[3770] - Quote
Scitor Nantom wrote:
Agile manifesto quote goes here
That manifesto is getting a little old. It's all about delivering value to customers early and often. No more, no less.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM. Vote Here: http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp |
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:42:00 -
[3771] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Ill rewrite (copy -> paste) part of what i said before, because i think i must do it again:
How you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST... There is only CCP - the development studio. They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money. All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game. Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way. Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead.
You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then. You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time.
There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen. Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech? Why you want EVE dead?
And many ppl like WiS. Many ppl want WiS. Many ppl need WiS to play EVE. So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever?
But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.) But... Well... thats impossible. If you dont grow, you die. Law of the stronger.
(its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.)
p.s. I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS. I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk. Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again.
... stuff ...
You have a strong point. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1229
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:57:00 -
[3772] - Quote
His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked.
Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent.
WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:26:00 -
[3773] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:You allways forget one thing. That 18 months was for carbonization of EVE. That's what majority of EVE DEVs worked on. Just look at how much of EVE code was rewritten and pushed out after that "18 months". You can see numerous bugs that appeared in all things that worked before and on the first look that did not seem like they touched it. You can see it that after "Incarna" list of CCPs technologies appeared on CCP web page all named with "Carbon" prefix. You can see it in tests of many "Carbon" things and putting it in game, like UI, like inventory, and stuff like that. They had to rewrite 8 years of old messy python code and rewrite it in C on all crucial parts of the game because it take 10 times more time for new programmers to find head and tale in that code and to implement something. You see how they can magically change many things over night that they could not before??? Yea, thats because of it. Their error was that they did not tell that to player base, maybe because some ppl would quit . In that time one part of the staff worked on WiS (majority of designers) and they just didn't have time to make WiS and create what they advertise. So please don't tell me they worked on WiS all that much. In 2 years (after pre production) you can make all new game from nothing.
Few people have wrote similar things on this forums, and no one of haters don't want to listen. They all "sing the same song" over and over... so, don't hold your breath that they will listen to you now. |
Aquila Draco
151
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:11:00 -
[3774] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked.
Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent.
WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE.
But i can't understand that some ppl just cant (or dont want to) understand it, can't see the obvious. It looks like some ppl want to see EVE dead. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1102
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:10:00 -
[3775] - Quote
Aquila Draco wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked.
Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent.
WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE. But i can't understand that some ppl just cant (or dont want to) understand it, can't see the obvious. It looks like some ppl want to see EVE dead.
At one time that was the stated goals of the Goons in Eve.
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
201
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:57:00 -
[3776] - Quote
eve online is a complex game with great depth. the wis i see that is wanted here is not complex nor does it have any depth you all seem like a bunch of deviant freaks that want no more than dress up and emote each other in the corp room. you want social first, gameplay second. and don't tell me you had this idea and that idea, it's all shitstupid don't quit your day jobs and try to be game dev, only team avatar can do that so give them some goddamn time. eve online is a complex game with great depth. wis has to be the same.
and issler, funny how the goons, have quite a lot to lose in-game if the game is destroyed, in fact they've lost it all before and actually put the effort to getting it back again. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1103
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:46:00 -
[3777] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:eve online is a complex game with great depth. the wis i see that is wanted here is not complex nor does it have any depth you all seem like a bunch of deviant freaks that want no more than dress up and emote each other in the corp room. you want social first, gameplay second. and don't tell me you had this idea and that idea, it's all shitstupid don't quit your day jobs and try to be game dev, only team avatar can do that so give them some goddamn time. eve online is a complex game with great depth. wis has to be the same.
and issler, funny how the goons, have quite a lot to lose in-game if the game is destroyed, in fact they've lost it all before and actually put the effort to getting it back again.
If you don't believe that early in the history of the goons they openly stated their goal was to ruin Eve then you need to learn your Goon history. They intended to do to Eve what they had so successfully done to other games. I'll admit these days the Goons seem to have bought into the future of Eve more that they once did.
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:49:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:eve online is a complex game with great depth. the wis i see that is wanted here is not complex nor does it have any depth you all seem like a bunch of deviant freaks that want no more than dress up and emote each other in the corp room. you want social first, gameplay second. and don't tell me you had this idea and that idea, it's all shitstupid don't quit your day jobs and try to be game dev, only team avatar can do that so give them some goddamn time. eve online is a complex game with great depth. wis has to be the same.
and issler, funny how the goons, have quite a lot to lose in-game if the game is destroyed, in fact they've lost it all before and actually put the effort to getting it back again. If you don't believe that early in the history of the goons they openly stated their goal was to ruin Eve then you need to learn your Goon history. They intended to do to Eve what they had so successfully done to other games. I'll admit these days the Goons seem to have bought into the future of Eve more that they once did. Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate
I voted for your opponent. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:24:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked.
Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent.
WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE.
You have so many flaws in that post it is almost embarrassing to stand on the same side as you in terms of WiS.
One, 80% of the population. I believe it was closer to 60% of the population in terms of characters. Characters can belong to players that are primarily active in High-sec, low-sec or Null-sec. I hover between low/high and have trade alts (3) in each of the trade hubs I am interested in. But if I had to identify with a group, it would be low-sec. Yet, 75% of my characters ... wait ... 60% of my characters are in high-sec.
It is a dangerous thing to try and draw any conclusions from and it helps to create that concept of a divide between low, high and null sec. They're just security ratings. The game underlying, EVE Online, is still largely the same game with the same type of content. I don't see a point in splitting the population up that way and it diminishes the point for me.
You are right. Some people do seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. Be wary of falling into the same trap; because it could be equally true for you. Are you sure what you want is what everybody wants? DMC was making an assertion that because of forum support the majority of players support WiS / Ambulation. That is pure nonsense; we simply don't know. All I know is that I support it. You support it. And a number of people that posted in this thread supports it. It discredits the point too much for me when people make that type of claim. Best to just state our opinions and desires and leave it to CCP to do what they, through their surveys and data and the guidance of our CSM, knows is what is desired by the general population. We can never know what that is until CCP releases that data. And thus far they have not.
I agree with you on anything that broadens the gameplay. It, being WiS, will create more avenues for other players to join which really is a good thing. The concepts of WiS (As discussed in this thread) is very valuable. I can see that as compelling game-play.
But now I have a question for you, because this is my pet desire for WiS.
What about making it a separate game like Dust 514?
Make it a F2P game with Aurum / similar microtransactions to fund it. Give it to a team of solid developers who can work on that project. And allow us to use our capsuleers in WiS. This to me seems like the win-win for both those who desire WiS (And quickly!) and those who want to keep FiS separate. Both development streams can continue - without affecting eachother hopefully. It seems like the best win-win to me. |
ucntkilme
DPS Delivery Truck DSM FOUNDATION
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:34:00 -
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Abandon WiS. Lets put this issue to bed and remove CQ completely.
We pay to play this game to fly SPACESHIPS not walk around a station masturbating to players portraits. I pay to play this game, to blow people up.. I pay, to get blown up... IN SPACE...
Walking In Stations was never an intended part of the game, it was CCP using it's members as guinea pigs for their 'latest and greatest endeavor' what was World of Darkness or some such like that.
So most people 'WANT' WiS? Well, i can't say what most people want, because I don't speak for others like so many on these forums do. But I can say what I want, and that's CQ to be stricken from the game permanently. WiS to be stricken from the project boards, and for everyone to quit crying because it hasn't been implemented yet.
If you want to walk around in a game that is focused around flying space ships, you need to re-think your ideas of a space game. If people really want to walk around in a game, there are plenty of games to do just that... even space games (from what i hear)... lets list some now just for you people...
World of Warcraft - yep you can walk around in this... FlyFF - free alternative to world of warcraft - and yes you get to walk around in this too..
9dragons - made by acclaim, free -- and yep you can walk around here too...
None of these games are space games, but they give you what you want that is walking around like a rogue dumbass somewhere that no one cares you're doing it. There are plenty of space games that do offer walking around as well, though being that I don't pay to play a game to walk around -- i don't know them off the top of my head...
Keep WiS functionality to games for children -- for the people that are too scared to do anything else -- or for people who's comprehension of a game doesn't exceed that of something smiliar to WoW or FlyFF or any of the similar 'made for children' type of games... |
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:43:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:eve online is a complex game with great depth. the wis i see that is wanted here is not complex nor does it have any depth you all seem like a bunch of deviant freaks that want no more than dress up and emote each other in the corp room. you want social first, gameplay second. and don't tell me you had this idea and that idea, it's all shitstupid don't quit your day jobs and try to be game dev, only team avatar can do that so give them some goddamn time. eve online is a complex game with great depth. wis has to be the same. You're still posting in this thread? Wow, you are really dedicated to WiS, are you ?
I'm with you that WiS should also be complex and have some depht like the EVE we are playing now.
But please don't hyperbolise. EVE hasn't that much depht or complexity that you are implying. In the end it's just a game like any other and people (especially your lot) are just playing it like that. Just because some peope chose this game as their hobby or some kind of lifestyle doesn't add more depht.
Also the perception what really adds "depht" can be very subjective. For example the emoting and socialising that you're so dreaded of adds more depht to the game for me. Maybe not for you, that's okay and I'm fine with that. But that's no reason to constantly insult people who don't think like you.
Please keep in mind that EVE is still a sandbox (and is stll advertised as such), which means that the game can be enjoyed by a lot of very different people who play it in very different ways. This has to create tension in some way and you can see this tension in this very forum every day. The key is to always remember that all other players are also just that. Players. Humans who just want some fun and adventure. Just because they want to enjoy their game in a different way you want to enjoy it don't makes them "freaks" or "shitstupid". So please, try to respect people who have not the same approach to this game than you have. As long as they're not violating any rules set by CCP, they have all the rights to play the game their way just like you.
And it is allowed to give feedback to the devs. No, we are not game devs and most of us (me included) certainly don't want to be one. But most of us here are just tossing around some ideas and opinions or, to be honest, more wishes what we want WiS to be. You want WiS to be something different and I respect your views and it's always nice to have the opportunity to discuss those things. Preferably without accusations, insults and trolling. By the way, this is addressed to both sides of this dispute.
I'm always baffled how some differing opinions about a simple game can upset people so much. In the end we can't do more than give feedback and wait what CCP will actually make of it. Hopefully they can find a good middle ground that you and me can live with. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:55:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:(...)
Make it a F2P game with Aurum / similar microtransactions to fund it. Give it to a team of solid developers who can work on that project. And allow us to use our capsuleers in WiS. This to me seems like the win-win for both those who desire WiS (And quickly!) and those who want to keep FiS separate. Both development streams can continue - without affecting eachother hopefully. It seems like the best win-win to me.
I can't drop my plasma rifle an jump into my BS to kick some NPC asses in DUST.
If I invested years and millions of SP in EVE, if i was an industrialist/trader with billions in EVE assets, or if had roleplayed my character for years, why should I be forced to start anew in another game just to stretch my legs out of my pod, meet some friends or make some shady deal?
No deal.
BTW, albeit smarter looking, your overall point is "play my way or go away" + "mommy CCP, that's new, I scared, kill it with fire!", nonetheless. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
53
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Posted - 2012.03.14 08:12:00 -
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Re-posting in emote starved people thread may the Walking In Space you so desperately seek bring lots of laugh and giggles for all of you seeking room crowding....in about 5 years or so.
And beside so uniquely awesome never before invented massively challenging game called a poker i think it about time to bring out heavy stuff get ready for this....facenovel!!! it is social media thingy that u can post picture of you and just be awesome like that it is just what eve needs i tell you.
So lets demand it like it is ours and make them burn another 5 years for that as well as great many talents and some cash too just sweet. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.14 09:16:00 -
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Im still waiting for someone to explain how WiS will add to my gameplay experience in any way at all. From what has been said, it sounds like a horrific crossbreed of Club Penguin, Red Light District and Facebook Poker.
Why would you want to inflict that monstrosity upon other players?
And before you all start saying "well you can just turn off the Club Red Light Poker", CCP actually have to develop it first. To put it in words you might understand, its Opportunity Cost, just like the idiot free mineralists. If CCP spend the thousands of man hours required to make WiS 'work', that is thousands of man hours that are not being spent on fixing Eve. You know, that spaceship game we all play, and most of us have subs for. With spaceships.
Anti-WiS people are not selfish, it is actually the WiS crowd who want to deprive the community of a huge range of potential fixes and expansions to existing content, because they want to tie up CCP producing what will inevitably be a steaming pile of horse faeces for months and months. The player base would benefit from the game itself being fixed and improved, not some flashy gimmick.
However, if CCP did ditch WiS, and instead allowed us to use the Avatar technology (or whatever it is called) to use our capsuleers in Dust... all would be forgiven. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.03.14 09:26:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:If I invested years and millions of SP in EVE, if i was an industrialist/trader with billions in EVE assets, or if had roleplayed my character for years, why should I be forced to start anew in another game just to stretch my legs out of my pod, meet some friends or make some shady deal?
Your SP have almost no meaning in WiS. They are almost all for FiS.
For the social and space station aspects, it will work wonderfully. And if you want a shady deal - use your ISK.
Think it through. I'd rather have a win-win than a win-lose as you are proposing.
Quote:BTW, albeit smarter looking, your overall point is "play my way or go away" + "mommy CCP, that's new, I scared, kill it with fire!", nonetheless.
How so? Are you incapable of reading - I support WiS. The full concept. Another person for WiS that can't seem to think or reason. Jesus, why are so many idiots attracted to what is such a compelling gameplay experience? |
Aquila Draco
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Posted - 2012.03.14 09:33:00 -
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ucntkilme wrote:Abandon WiS. Lets put this issue to bed and remove CQ completely.
We pay to play this game to fly SPACESHIPS not walk around a station masturbating to players portraits. I pay to play this game, to blow people up.. I pay, to get blown up... IN SPACE...
Walking In Stations was never an intended part of the game, it was CCP using it's members as guinea pigs for their 'latest and greatest endeavor' what was World of Darkness or some such like that.
So most people 'WANT' WiS? Well, i can't say what most people want, because I don't speak for others like so many on these forums do. But I can say what I want, and that's CQ to be stricken from the game permanently. WiS to be stricken from the project boards, and for everyone to quit crying because it hasn't been implemented yet.
If you want to walk around in a game that is focused around flying space ships, you need to re-think your ideas of a space game. If people really want to walk around in a game, there are plenty of games to do just that... even space games (from what i hear)... lets list some now just for you people...
World of Warcraft - yep you can walk around in this... FlyFF - free alternative to world of warcraft - and yes you get to walk around in this too..
9dragons - made by acclaim, free -- and yep you can walk around here too...
None of these games are space games, but they give you what you want that is walking around like a rogue dumbass somewhere that no one cares you're doing it. There are plenty of space games that do offer walking around as well, though being that I don't pay to play a game to walk around -- i don't know them off the top of my head...
Keep WiS functionality to games for children -- for the people that are too scared to do anything else -- or for people who's comprehension of a game doesn't exceed that of something smiliar to WoW or FlyFF or any of the similar 'made for children' type of games...
Wow... 3 day old char knows everything about eve... First learn to crawl and then walk and then to think and then try to play eve... or better some other game that don't need brain.
You anti wis ppl all you can do is to post the same sentences and nothing new from you ever. Who wrote it for you, mom? before bed time?
This game is INTENDED TO BE FULL SCI-FI SIMULATOR BEFORE IT WAS EVEN MADE. That's lesson one from me. Learn history before you talk about it.
Second lesson, don't talk to strangers, that's bad for you because they will know that you dont have a clue what you are talking about.
Third, you must talk to children of your age, you cant be afraid of everything that's new. Experience it, then judge.
Fourth, whose alt are you my child? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.14 09:36:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:Wow... 3 day old char knows everything about eve... First learn to crawl and then walk and then to think and then try to play eve... or better some other game that don't need brain. You anti wis ppl all you can do is to post the same sentences and nothing new from you ever. Who wrote it for you, mom? before bed time? This game is INTENDED TO BE FULL SCI-FI SIMULATOR BEFORE IT WAS EVEN MADE. That's lesson one from me. Learn history before you talk about it. Second lesson, don't talk to strangers, that's bad for you because they will know that you dont have a clue what you are talking about. Third, you must talk to children of your age, you cant be afraid of everything that's new. Experience it, then judge. Fourth, whose alt are you my child?
It is clear you've lost the arguement when you have to resort to personal attacks, rather than actually countering what is being said. |
Aquila Draco
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Posted - 2012.03.14 09:53:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:Wow... 3 day old char knows everything about eve... First learn to crawl and then walk and then to think and then try to play eve... or better some other game that don't need brain. You anti wis ppl all you can do is to post the same sentences and nothing new from you ever. Who wrote it for you, mom? before bed time? This game is INTENDED TO BE FULL SCI-FI SIMULATOR BEFORE IT WAS EVEN MADE. That's lesson one from me. Learn history before you talk about it. Second lesson, don't talk to strangers, that's bad for you because they will know that you dont have a clue what you are talking about. Third, you must talk to children of your age, you cant be afraid of everything that's new. Experience it, then judge. Fourth, whose alt are you my child? It is clear you've lost the arguement when you have to resort to personal attacks, rather than actually countering what is being said.
No, i did not lose an arguement. It just hurts my intelligence to see always the same sentences from some ppl. Sentences that are many many many times proven to be false. Sentences for which you can find evidence that they are false on almost every page. Sentences that never had any evidence behind them.
Then i came to conclusion that person who writes them over and over must be or child or ******. I want to think that world is full of small children who will grow up some day.
and if person is not children then he is something else that still prevents him to read and to think. And then i can tell then person too that he is so arrogant and that he must calm down his ego, because world is not spinning around his 15$. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
183
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Posted - 2012.03.14 09:54:00 -
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mostly @ what Blatant Forum Alt said...
Seems that we can't explain to you how WiS will add to your gameplay experience. *shrugs*
I'm perfectly fine that you can't get any satisfaction out of "Club Penguin, Red Light District and Facebook Poker". But there are others who do and can even see more than just the things you mentioned that would be worthwhile for them. You don't have to agree that these things will appeal to you, but there seem to be some people (like me) who would be happy about that.
I understand the problem that the development of WiS has and will "suck" some resources from other parts of the game development. That's because I always said that it is good that at the moment CCP is dedicated to fix a lot of way too long lasting problems. I'm a little disapponted that they can't get more people to work on WiS contend, but I perfectly understand that they have to allocate them somewhere else for some time.
The questions I'm asking are these: How long will this take, might the constant fixing be an everlasting story never to be ended? Could the space content some day be saturated because there are no more ideas that could be added? Will EvE some day because of this end up like many other MMORPGs with unending item spirals? How should the resource allocation regarding space content vs. fixes be like anyway? There is also a conflict you might not realise.
My opinion is, that EvE will reach some kind of limit some day in the future. All the sovereignty games, endless mining, clicking through industrial processes, kicking other players in the nuts etc. gets boring and old at some point. Many players need something new once in a while that keeps them interested. But the space contents has its limits. Introduce another new ship? Yeah, everytime that happens the EvE players go nuts about it. But there will be some day that we do not really need another new ship type, another new T2 module etc. pp. What will new content look like? New Incursions, now with Angels instead Sanshas?
I think investing into WiS creates a lot of new opportunities for CCP the create exciting content for players and might expand the lifespan of EvE. It would take EvE beyond beeing "just a dated spaceship pew pew" game. Of course that will reach its limits, too. But I think it's worth it. Especially if some more gameplay beyond social gameplay is involved with WiS. I personaly would the satisfied with social gameplay, but some of the opposition has made a lot of good points why this might not work and why WiS needs "real" gameplay, too. You have convinced me regarding that point.
And think of it like that: They are going to develop "World of Darkness" anyway. So why shouldn't EvE benefit from the technology they are creating for that game?
Might the development of WiS out of reach at the moment? Yes. Should the ideas behind it and the associated gameplay with it be iterated, refined and made reality one day? Yes, absolutly. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.14 10:20:00 -
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Well, I never thought I would say this... but that is a pro-WiS post from a pro-WiS person that I can agree with, and respect. So thank you.
Part of the problem is the lack of public knowledge about the direction of WiS, partly because - quite rightly so in my opinion - WiS has been put on the backburner for the time being. All we have to go on is the CQ, and the extrapolation of that is, well, Red Light District without the sex, but with the occasional casino. And that sounds terrible.
If CCP at any point decide to put a decent amount of manpower into WiS, then they will have to have a long think about the gameplay aspects of it. Casinos are bars are purely gimmicks, and while it might be quite nice to throw them in, they will not be worth the effort, not by a long way. The more I think about what potential gameplay aspects might be developed with WiS, the more I am certain about one thing:
The future of WiS is Dust.
All of the features that have been suggested for WiS - aside from the Club Penguin emoting - would fit right in with Dust, and have been included in huge numbers of other FPS games. The obvious example is the assassination in the Incarna trailer - where a capsuleer is shot by someone else. CCP are developing combat mechanics for Dust, and while you could argue they could use these mechanics in WiS, I see no point.
That would leave us with three major gameplay 'platforms' - Eve Online, FiS; Eve Online, WiS; and Dust. That means a huge amount of work to create WiS, which will end up being incredibly similar in a huge number of ways to Dust, sharing a lot of the same technology. This just seems pointless to me. Almost all of the gameplay features of WiS will be present in Dust, and will inevitably be developed to a much higher level in Dust, as it is a seperate title.
I would much rather be able to carry out all station based interactions using my Eve Capsuleer, the same capsuleer that I can then suit up and do some light hearted noob bashing in Dust. This would be true integration of Eve and Dust, something that CCP have long since stated to be a key objective. This would be vastly more efficient in terms of man hours, which will free up the manpower to improve both Eve and Dust, to form one umbrella game in the Eve universe.
And that would finally make Eve epic on the scale Hilmar invisaged when he set CCP on the road to Incarna.
Amirite? |
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
186
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Posted - 2012.03.14 10:39:00 -
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Yes, I think you are right.
One day I would like to step onto the surface of a planet with my capsuleer. But that seems to be something that is planned exclusivly for DUST. I can understand why they made a whole new game out of the DUST idea and why they made a console game out of it, from a business standpoint that is. But it somewhat contradicts the idea of the vision that was shown to us.
At first I thought it was a good thing that fighting would be left out in stations. But I realised (thanks to some posters in this thread) that fighting and the opportunity to fight each other has to be implemented into WiS in some way. It is part of the EvE experience, after all. In hindsight I think it is a bit strange that CCP haven't thought about that.
An actual seamless EvE universe is what I really would like to see some day, too. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:50:00 -
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post ate by forums One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
186
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:04:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote: EVE is a complex game, ever seen that eve_learning_curve.jpeg? how many times do you hear that the New player tutorials need to be improved?
Yes, I have seen that picture of the learning curve. I like it, but we can now argue if it really shows the complexity of EvE or that the game is just complicated. The game isn't very friendly to new players but that doesn't mean that it is complex or more complex than other games. It just has a bad new player experience. A lot of things could be made a lot more clear and easyer without a big change to the gameplay. To me, EvE feels mostly dated and overcomplicated rather than complex.
Taiwanistan wrote:the wis you envisioned is not The Sci-Fi Simulator, it's crap, it's a spaceship game with a emoting rig bolted on, and social-gaming-wise it's pretty inferior to the the real deal, which is second life, where at least they can lisp to their hearts' content, anything can be made from items to even avatar animation hence sandbox. You do realise that I'm all for adding gameplay to WiS besides catering to players who like social gameplay? You also realise that I'm not asking for Second Life but for expanding the EvE universe? I know that you fear social gameplay like the plague and have some serious issues with that. But that is your opinion on that matter, that doesn't make it "crap". I'm not searching for "the real deal of social gaming" (as you call it), I'm searching for the "real deal social gaming in the sandbox that is EvE". I would like to social game in the context of EvE and stay part of the same sandbox all the other EvE players (including you) are part of. The funny part is: do you realise that you are already socialising with me by "arguing" with me here? You do realise that your Alliance does that as well? Your dreaded social gameplay is already part of EvE .
If you had read my last response to Blatant Forum Alt you would know that I have some doubts that WiS might really end up a bit "bolted on" and that I would prefer a more seamingless EvE universe.
Taiwanistan wrote:because guess what? CCP art department is super strict on keeping EVE to the way they envisioned it, not how you and your bad taste envision it. Mark my words, you will NOT see any sort of player-designed "aesthetic" item EVER *apart from alliance logos, this includes clothes, tattoos, furniture, ship-skins, potted plants sculptures and etc. and I THANK THE LORD that's the way CCP rolls, keepin dat **** REGULATED so i don't get induced to commit a hate crime. So you end up with no sandbox but a emoting barbie game. You must confuse me with someone else. I never stated that I want player designed aesthetics. You know, I played APB for a while and I know very well how that works out. I'm not asking for a change of the art of EvE. But there is room for pre-generated clothing (which we already have) and some decorations for sure.
Your view on what a sandbox is and what social gameplay involves seems to be completely different than mine. Maybe you're just getting me wrong.
Taiwanistan wrote:oh and Issler? i googled "goons destroying games" and i came up with second life. gee i wonder why they chose second life. Is it because it is full of people emoting each other dressing up, all day long in virtual doll houses? somebody had to do god's work amirite? ...and their "destruction" of Second Life went really well, huh? Last I checked the game was very alive and well . Your comment just shows how narrow minded you seem to be. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:29:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:If I invested years and millions of SP in EVE, if i was an industrialist/trader with billions in EVE assets, or if had roleplayed my character for years, why should I be forced to start anew in another game just to stretch my legs out of my pod, meet some friends or make some shady deal? Your SP have almost no meaning in WiS. They are almost all for FiS. For the social and space station aspects, it will work wonderfully. And if you want a shady deal - use your ISK. Think it through. I'd rather have a win-win than a win-lose as you are proposing.
Nice cherry picking... now adress this:
...if (I) had roleplayed my character for years, why should I be forced to start anew in another game?
The point is, WHO you are in EVE has got a meaning, starting anew is not acceptable. A character is -to some players, but not you, obviously- a serious investment. WiS outside of EVE is not aceptable.
Quote:Quote:BTW, albeit smarter looking, your overall point is "play my way or go away" + "mommy CCP, that's new, I scared, kill it with fire!", nonetheless. How so? Are you incapable of reading - I support WiS. The full concept. Another person for WiS that can't seem to think or reason. Jesus, why are so many idiots attracted to what is such a compelling gameplay experience?
So your point is that WiS must be allowed to have their game but not as a part of EVE, and you call yourself a WiS supporter?
As i said: "play my way ( FiS) or go away (play F2P WiS elsewhere)" EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Flyberius
Intergalactic Shrimp Emporium
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:08:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:
No, i did not lose an arguement. It just hurts my intelligence to see always the same sentences from some ppl. Sentences that are many many many times proven to be false. Sentences for which you can find evidence that they are false on almost every page. Sentences that never had any evidence behind them.
Then i came to conclusion that person who writes them over and over must be or child or ******. I want to think that world is full of small children who will grow up some day.
and if person is not children then he is something else that still prevents him to read and to think. And then i can tell then person too that he is so arrogant and that he must calm down his ego, because world is not spinning around his 15$.
Despite the broken English this point really rings true. Half the arguements against WiS is that it doesnt involve a space ship or space. Well duh. Its not called, Flying Space Ships Through Corridors. Also, do you remember that sci-fi film where all the main characters sat in stasis gloop for the entire film? No? Oh that's right, that would be the most boring sci-fi ever conceived. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:18:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Im still waiting for someone to explain how WiS will add to my gameplay experience in any way at all. From what has been said, it sounds like a horrific crossbreed of Club Penguin, Red Light District and Facebook Poker.
Why would you want to inflict that monstrosity upon other players?
And before you all start saying "well you can just turn off the Club Red Light Poker", CCP actually have to develop it first. To put it in words you might understand, its Opportunity Cost, just like the idiot free mineralists. If CCP spend the thousands of man hours required to make WiS 'work', that is thousands of man hours that are not being spent on fixing Eve. You know, that spaceship game we all play, and most of us have subs for. With spaceships.
Anti-WiS people are not selfish, it is actually the WiS crowd who want to deprive the community of a huge range of potential fixes and expansions to existing content, because they want to tie up CCP producing what will inevitably be a steaming pile of horse faeces for months and months. The player base would benefit from the game itself being fixed and improved, not some flashy gimmick.
However, if CCP did ditch WiS, and instead allowed us to use the Avatar technology (or whatever it is called) to use our capsuleers in Dust... all would be forgiven.
5 people on WIS makes thousands of hours? yeah right
So you don,t want resources on Walking in Stations ,where the flyboys dock,but you want the same game engine to Walk on Dirt ,where you ship can,t even go? Lol just lol
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:43:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Im still waiting for someone to explain how WiS will add to my gameplay experience in any way at all. From what has been said, it sounds like a horrific crossbreed of Club Penguin, Red Light District and Facebook Poker.
Why would you want to inflict that monstrosity upon other players?
And before you all start saying "well you can just turn off the Club Red Light Poker", CCP actually have to develop it first. To put it in words you might understand, its Opportunity Cost, just like the idiot free mineralists. If CCP spend the thousands of man hours required to make WiS 'work', that is thousands of man hours that are not being spent on fixing Eve. You know, that spaceship game we all play, and most of us have subs for. With spaceships.
Anti-WiS people are not selfish, it is actually the WiS crowd who want to deprive the community of a huge range of potential fixes and expansions to existing content, because they want to tie up CCP producing what will inevitably be a steaming pile of horse faeces for months and months. The player base would benefit from the game itself being fixed and improved, not some flashy gimmick.
However, if CCP did ditch WiS, and instead allowed us to use the Avatar technology (or whatever it is called) to use our capsuleers in Dust... all would be forgiven. 5 people on WIS makes thousands of hours? yeah right So you don,t want resources on Walking in Stations ,where the flyboys dock,but you want the same game engine to Walk on Dirt ,where you ship can,t even go? Lol just lol Edit: well at least the post that you made later are interesting Sorry for reacting just a bit too early But complaining about the resources if it not fit you ,is still weird to me . Its like complaining about incursions added to Eve ,bc i never do Incursions,but you don,t hear me about it
why not, people play FPS, it involves shooting, and possibly my PI passive income depends on it (i would be motivated to defend it by orbital bombardment from my dreadnaught in space) barbie emoting? not so much lol just lol. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:53:00 -
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Arcathra, i don't fear social gaming, I hate it, I /spit on it, like carebears hate ganking and want to be invulnerable in hisec. I feel that it deserves zero resources dedicated to it. However, i will not deny that i do my bit of social gaming, but it happens organically in fleets where we are doing something else (oh how we laughed) and shared moments. Social gaming does not need special crutches dedicated to enable it, it is already happening. My point about EVE-wis devoid of player created items is devoid of the sandbox feature, which is second life's only saving grace. So are the goons going to destroy eve online yes or no Issler? them goon directors seem to be pretty bad at the game and at destroying games.
don't mind Indahmawar Fazmarai, he said many times he is just running out his sub, just whining and pouting his last days away and playing with the barbie face maker. the door is going to slam him on the behind when his sub runs out and he is going to like that familiar feeling. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
420
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:02:00 -
[3799] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Im still waiting for someone to explain how WiS will add to my gameplay experience in any way at all. From what has been said, it sounds like a horrific crossbreed of Club Penguin, Red Light District and Facebook Poker.
Why would you want to inflict that monstrosity upon other players?
And before you all start saying "well you can just turn off the Club Red Light Poker", CCP actually have to develop it first. To put it in words you might understand, its Opportunity Cost, just like the idiot free mineralists. If CCP spend the thousands of man hours required to make WiS 'work', that is thousands of man hours that are not being spent on fixing Eve. You know, that spaceship game we all play, and most of us have subs for. With spaceships.
Anti-WiS people are not selfish, it is actually the WiS crowd who want to deprive the community of a huge range of potential fixes and expansions to existing content, because they want to tie up CCP producing what will inevitably be a steaming pile of horse faeces for months and months. The player base would benefit from the game itself being fixed and improved, not some flashy gimmick.
However, if CCP did ditch WiS, and instead allowed us to use the Avatar technology (or whatever it is called) to use our capsuleers in Dust... all would be forgiven. 5 people on WIS makes thousands of hours? yeah right So you don,t want resources on Walking in Stations ,where the flyboys dock,but you want the same game engine to Walk on Dirt ,where you ship can,t even go? Lol just lol Edit: well at least the post that you made later are interesting Sorry for reacting just a bit too early But complaining about the resources if it not fit you ,is still weird to me . Its like complaining about incursions added to Eve ,bc i never do Incursions,but you don,t hear me about it why not, people play FPS, it involves shooting, and possibly my PI passive income depends on it (i would be motivated to defend it with orbital bombardment from my dreadnaught in space) maybe i am caught up with the whole ultimate sci-fi simulator advertisement am i a fool? maybe i can betray my own mercs like in the trailer lol but barbie dressup emoting? not so much Lol just lol
Funny i don,t care about emoting ,and i still like to see WIS in this game. and who knows maybe one of those betrayed mercs will wait silently behind that door some day,not knowing you never tried that door,bc of the fear for emoters.
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
The Hamilton
Definitive Exploration and Excavations The Watchmen.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:49:00 -
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Here's a list of ideas I posted in another thread. I hope someone can salvage a bit of inspiration from this or that you get at least a laugh out of it.
- Android building / selling / buying - these could be used as CQ assistants that auto update things for you. This would be sure to bring people out of their ships if it meant less logging on just to update (skills/planets/markets) and could be considered with bots to make players beat bots more easily and bots unable to use these.
- Adoption system - I only suggest this because MANY other MMO's use something like this successfully and it brings the lady's like no other! Come on an alien pet, who wouldn't want that!
- Scanning mini-game - Somewhat like metroid prime, where you can scan things to find out more about them. This could then be added to the research game-play.
- Weight gain and loss
- Changing environment - Such as floating and moving platforms (might be even harder than microgravity). Keep things fresh.
- AI sports games you can watch in a stadium - Include betting and perhaps if it becomes popular player demand for a playable version might rise up.
- A ton of automated animations - I don't want to have to tell my character to act interesting all the time. But keep them subtle
- Give characters tablets - So that popup menu as always available. But only sell upgraded ones in WiS (give more reasons to go explore out of the ship)
- Hallucinogenics - Warp our screens show us creepy / strange / hidden items and things (Suggested this in the module thread for some reason).
- Very very big spaces - That need to be flown around, allowing for different controls for flying (more similar to dust) - Obviously a huge addition to the EVE engine, but may be do able in separate server clusters.
- Infected regions with illness - With the addition of negative effects on your characters flying ability. These could be then introduced to new stations and so on. Though counter productive to get pilots to use WiS. It adds more depth to the game overall
- Various languages on signs / codes - Help promote community and talking amongst strangers.. meh. Maybe with the addition of hidden places. Sort of a scavenger hunt.
- Better insurance prices - That are a little harder to find or require missions / quests to get access too
- Out of station walking - Space walking, kinda like astronauts do now. An addition to the micro gravity idea. But you can see all the ships fly right past you.
- Different security sections - your high , low and null sec of WiS within bigger stations (Jita)
- Language classes - Learn something with a small small incentive in EVE (isk / item / aurum), because I think games can be more than just a time sink, but a great inventive for your other life.
- Shared quarters for two people - Give those couples something extra. And perhaps also for people who dual account.
- Make some extra use of the class system people chose at the beginning of the game.
- A very visible 3D space with market information - Sort of a trade hub that makes using the market constantly even easier.
- Art galleries - A place to show off all that fancy concept art players love to look at. Even the old stuff.
- High fives - Because high fives are awesome!
- Hiring booths for corps - Make it easy to see where the corp is, what they do and so on. Even allow approved videos (perhaps).
- EVE radio competition viewing - And stuff like this on massive screens.
- Help NPCs fit their own (non pod) ships - A good way to introduce newbies to fitting various ships before dropping cash on them (in before evemon).
- Dress code areas - Not to hinder game play, but give people paying for pants something else than just pants.
- Modular captains quarters - That players can build, design and sell. These are then automatically built in any station you visit when you flash the guy your VIP card as you get docking clearance. After all it's customary to be nice to the pod pilots visiting your station.
- Thugs that follow you around - For no other purpose than to push other NPCs out of the way. Sorry these ideas are getting really bad now. I'll stop.
- Shooting ranges to begin implementing combat with low overhead.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
420
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:26:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:This game is INTENDED TO BE FULL SCI-FI SIMULATOR BEFORE IT WAS EVEN MADE.
That's fantastic. Now tell me what microtransactions and dress up dolls have to do with sci-fi.
microtransactions? nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dress up dolls ??? you love Ken so tell me!!!
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
The Hamilton
Definitive Exploration and Excavations The Watchmen.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:31:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:This game is INTENDED TO BE FULL SCI-FI SIMULATOR BEFORE IT WAS EVEN MADE.
That's fantastic. Now tell me what microtransactions and dress up dolls have to do with sci-fi. In the EVE universe players can simulate buying useless things and then experience not looking good enough. As modelled on our real world. This simulation is so realistic you can use real money in the transaction for added immersion. |
Vetrox Satria
Vetrox Technologies
15
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:37:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vetrox Satria wrote:If your worried that WIS developement is taking valuable man hours away from FIXING the rest of the game then my counter argument is that 7 Years of PVP developement have taken man hours away from my WIS development...
You still got a bajillion people working on other aspects of the game. So it a few guys designing something to add to the game is all gravy imo
i was gonna like this one ,but EvE isn,t all about pvp . Something some people sometimes forget. but bc you made me laugh a little ,still a +1
The reason i made the point (although i shouldnt have really) is that there is (IMO) two types of people who play eve. The PVP nullsec guys and the PVE high sec people (me).
THE PVP nulls dont like development that isnt pvp orientated and the PVE high secs dont like development that is PVP related.
The inherent nature that pvp causes in any game means that there will never be "balance" which is what all the pvp players want from a developer. This means every patch or update that doesnt involve pvp balance is critisized by the PVP community (including wis) and things that are all about ship balance are all complained about by the PVE community.
Look at wow as a generalised example. When i played that there was always a patch that changed the pay pvp worked and there was always a party that wasnt happy the classic "ZOMG mages are nerfed why not nerf pallys" then they nerf pallys "Zomg pallies are nerfed and hunters are op" so on and so forth.
Lets face it. With a game as broad as eve with such a high player base all on the same shard. There is never going to be complete satisfaction from everyone. Except the few that are just happy about any addition that lets us know the developers are still bothered about their game (ME) I got nothing against wis. I got nothing against new pvp ships or renamed modules or whatever. It breakes up the motonony of the game with something new |
Vetrox Satria
Vetrox Technologies
15
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:41:00 -
[3804] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: but bc you made me laugh a little ,still a +1
its because i said a "bajillion" isnt it...people always have a giggle when i say that.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
420
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:50:00 -
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Vetrox Satria wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: but bc you made me laugh a little ,still a +1
its because i said a "bajillion" isnt it...people always have a giggle when i say that.
No i laughed about this :
Quote:If your worried that WIS developement is taking valuable man hours away from FIXING the rest of the game then my counter argument is that 7 Years of PVP developement have taken man hours away from my WIS development..
its actually true and of course visa versa
but you made a next post wich covers that already I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
420
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:54:00 -
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The Hamilton wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:This game is INTENDED TO BE FULL SCI-FI SIMULATOR BEFORE IT WAS EVEN MADE.
That's fantastic. Now tell me what microtransactions and dress up dolls have to do with sci-fi. In the EVE universe players can simulate buying useless things and then experience not looking good enough. As modelled on our real world. This simulation is so realistic you can use real money in the transaction for added immersion.
wow nice one , lets not hope they introduce shipskinnes and put it on the failNEX I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
191
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Posted - 2012.03.15 08:57:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:Arcathra, i don't fear social gaming, I hate it, I /spit on it, like carebears hate ganking and want to be invulnerable in hisec. I feel that it deserves zero resources dedicated to it. However, i will not deny that i do my bit of social gaming, but it happens organically in fleets where we are doing something else (oh how we laughed) and shared moments. Social gaming does not need special crutches dedicated to enable it, it is already happening. My point about EVE-wis devoid of player created items is devoid of the sandbox feature, which is second life's only saving grace. Fair enough, Taiwanistan. You don't like it. Seems I can't argue with you about that. We have different views of social gaming here. But the thing I really would like to know is why you hate it? I mean, it is a game in the end. Why do you have so strong feelings about that? What would be so bad about some people running around on a station, talking with each other in the same "organic" way people socialize today in fleets and their corporations? Is it just the fact that some resources are pushed back from other projects? Or is there something else going on?
The problem isn't that we have different views, the problem is that we mostly don't respect the views of other players. I try to do that (and yes, that is sometimes hard I have to admit), but I think there is no need for such hate or even insults I see here. To be honest, that seems to be the problem with the whole forum and community. It's just a game, nothing more. In the end, CCP will decide what will happen. No reason to fight each other as if our lives depend on it.
Ladie Harlot wrote:That's fantastic. Now tell me what microtransactions and dress up dolls have to do with sci-fi.
Micratransactions have nothing to do with a specific theme. I don't want to see them either in EvE. But let's face it: one day they will be inevitable. The online game payment models are changing, more and more microtransaction and f2p games are emerging and most older games already converted to the microtransaction model. I totaly understand why CCP tried to catch up with todays market. But their timing and the execution of their "micro"transaction model was awful. I don't say that I like it, but you can rage, troll and shoot at monuments how much you want, the day of microtransactions and a f2p model for EvE will come some day. Mark my words. But that matter is seperated from the general discussion about WiS. As I can see, most people don't want a microtransaction model with WiS. I for myself certainly don't want it.
Dress up dolls on the other hands have much to do with sci-fi. You know, even in the future most people prefer to wear clothes. And even more prefer to look good and make an impression. Looking at your avatar you seem to be a fan of the unkempt and unwashed nerdy look, but that isn't our fault . I want to have some stylish clothes because it's important to me how my character looks and is perceived by other players. (And to be serious, it clearly seems to be important to you too or you wouldn't have made such an... unique avatar.)
But granted, the statement that CCP planned a full sci-fi simulator in the first place isn't true as far as I know. As I startet to play EvE back in 2006 the topic emerged again and again in the forums and people were asking for ambulation (how they called it back then) many times. And CCP said for a long time that it will never happen. If I remeber correctly that changed with the Fanfest in 2008 were they showed the first demo of what they developed at that point. I also can't remeber that they talked about a "full sci-fi simulator" at that time, just about a bunch of ideas what they wanted to integrate with ambulation. The sci-fi simulator thing is a more recent comment. Don't get me wrong, I very much like the idea of that and I fully support that vision. But it is wrong that this was the plan since they startet to develop the game. Maybe it was, but got discarded early on because of multiple reasons. If they really stated that back then, I would like to know when they said that. Of course I could be totaly wrong on that but that is how I remember it. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
907
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:05:00 -
[3808] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked.
Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent.
WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE. But i can't understand that some ppl just cant (or dont want to) understand it, can't see the obvious. It looks like some ppl want to see EVE dead. At one time that was the stated goals of the Goons in Eve. Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate
I thought that were only rumors. And i don't research on every rumor.
But now i googled a little and... God help us all.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3434
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Posted - 2012.03.15 16:33:00 -
[3809] - Quote
What does barbie have to do with GI Joe?
Hard core fans will deny difference with GI Joe.
Outsiders of the concept would only see they are only lieing to themselves.
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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
62
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:54:00 -
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I love how it took over a year to make 1 CQ and program all the code for it, when full blown FPS and free roam games are made in around 18-24 month.
Just poor.
All people who say abandon WiS and stop working on it...they already have.
They went from WiS, to fixing some ships, to adding "performance" patches, then to "balancing" titans and now they are renaming everything for no reason.
In case no one has actually realized, they have no clue wtf they are doing lol.
Either stick with something and see it through or dont do it at all. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
909
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Posted - 2012.03.15 19:23:00 -
[3811] - Quote
Gibbo3771 wrote:I love how it took over a year to make 1 CQ and program all the code for it, when full blown FPS and free roam games are made in around 18-24 month.
Just poor.
All people who say abandon WiS and stop working on it...they already have.
They went from WiS, to fixing some ships, to adding "performance" patches, then to "balancing" titans and now they are renaming everything for no reason.
In case no one has actually realized, they have no clue wtf they are doing lol.
Either stick with something and see it through or dont do it at all.
I just hope that they realize that and that they get back to WiS and secure EVEs future.
Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1231
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Posted - 2012.03.16 07:49:00 -
[3812] - Quote
Folks,
Only a few more days to vote in the CSM elections. If you want someone in the CSM that will remind CCP we need some attention on ambulation going forward please consider supporting my campaign!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.16 08:18:00 -
[3813] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Folks,
Only a few more days to vote in the CSM elections. If you want someone in the CSM that will remind CCP we need some attention on ambulation going forward please consider supporting my campaign!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate
So remember votes, a vote for Issler is a vote for Space Barbies.
...
Yeah, thats what I thought. Ill save you the time, just click here instead. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2012.03.16 09:21:00 -
[3814] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Folks,
Only a few more days to vote in the CSM elections. If you want someone in the CSM that will remind CCP we need some attention on ambulation going forward please consider supporting my campaign!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate So remember votes, a vote for Issler is a vote for Space Barbies. ... Yeah, thats what I thought. Ill save you the time, just click here instead.
And listening to you is listening to "i want EVE dead". Listening to you is to support this:
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:thecunning mrfox wrote:You get ganked, you rage, you "I quit!" because you have the right to kill the guy who robbed you of your precious hulk, but lack the volition/skills/stones to exact revenge.
with a high sec transferable kill rights system you sort out the bounties system introducing a real bounty hunter role, bring PvP to high sec in a very real form and give miners an avenue for making miner ganking a less than simple mechanics calculation. (read as real hidden risk for the ganker, do I really want to hit this guy? sounds exciting doesn't it?)
Honestly, after seeing this suggestion in another thread and thinking about it I can't see how anyone would have a problem with it.
Is there some way of exploiting this that I'm missing?
TL;DR high sec ganks transferable kill rights system, what's wrong with this picture? teach me. It encourages crap miners to keep playing, as they can always pay an actual player to take revenge. Id rather all the miners crap enough to get caught and ganked quit, thus improving the playerbase. Like natural selection.
We see who care for EVE and who wants EVE dead.
Who told that they want EVE dead? Oh... i remember. Go lick goons ass - Goon forum alt. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.16 09:51:00 -
[3815] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:some crap
Ganking has existed in Eve since day one, almost a decade of ganking. I really dont think ganking is killing Eve, do you?
Also, the fact that you are stalking a non-goon forum alt is worrying.... very worrying. |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
66
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:29:00 -
[3816] - Quote
Also most CSM members are complete jokes that dont even stand for the eve community but simply for themself.
I refuse to vote in rl so i dont in game. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:49:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:some crap Ganking has existed in Eve since day one, almost a decade of ganking. I really dont think ganking is killing Eve, do you? Also, the fact that you are stalking a non-goon forum alt is worrying.... very worrying.
I am not talking about ganking. I am talking about wanting that EVE loose players. That only person who wants EVE dead wants. And that person who wants to see EVE dead is against WiS - what a surprise.
Goon or not a goon, you want the same, dead EVE. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
534
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:58:00 -
[3818] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:
I am not talking about ganking I am talking about wanting that EVE loose players That only person who wants EVE dead wants And that person who wants to see EVE dead is against WiS - what a surprise. [:roll:
Goon or not a goon, you want the same, dead EVE.
That's a huge straw man argument. Why do you have to be so melodramatic?
Arguing that EVE will die without WIS, or that people who don't want WIS also want EVE dead is a completely un-defendable position.
The sky is not going to fall if CCP can't deliver on WIS anytime soon, and EVE does not appear to be losing any existing players just because it does not have WIS now, well, other than a few here who keep threatening to quit but are still posting.
I would think throwing a lot of Dev resources and cash at WIS again (like CCP did before) without having a formal, executable plan that involves meaningful, engaging, gameplay would be more likely to threaten the health of EVE. CCP delivering another incomplete expansion like "Incarna" where customer expectations were not even close to what CCP could accomplish would be a threat to the health of EVE. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
939
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Posted - 2012.03.16 15:05:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:Also most CSM members are complete jokes that dont even stand for the eve community but simply for themself.
I refuse to vote in rl so i dont in game.
I'm picturing you crying that into your cheap house draft in some dive because you ran out of food stamps and your welfare cheque is late. At least they have free wi-fi.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
425
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Posted - 2012.03.16 16:06:00 -
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Hmmm still some people are butthurt about a small 5 men team on WIS
ridiculous ,resources are still used for some vampiregame (60 people) and some consolecrap(yes i know another socalled department,but if you think that it cost no resources from Iceland)
The fact is that nothing really changed since the so called summerwhining ,other then the fact that WIS has a very small team and FIS gets the love it needs (at least until now and i am happy about it)
funny and sad at the same time lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:24:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:
I am not talking about ganking I am talking about wanting that EVE loose players That only person who wants EVE dead wants And that person who wants to see EVE dead is against WiS - what a surprise. [:roll:
Goon or not a goon, you want the same, dead EVE.
That's a huge straw man argument. Why do you have to be so melodramatic? Arguing that EVE will die without WIS, or that people who don't want WIS also want EVE dead is a completely un-defendable position. The sky is not going to fall if CCP can't deliver on WIS anytime soon, and EVE does not appear to be losing any existing players just because it does not have WIS now, well, other than a few here who keep threatening to quit but are still posting. I would think throwing a lot of Dev resources and cash at WIS again (like CCP did before) before having a formal, executable plan that involves meaningful, engaging, gameplay would be more likely to threaten the health of EVE. CCP delivering another incomplete expansion like "Incarna" where customer expectations were not even close to what CCP could accomplish would be a threat to the health of EVE.
If person wants that players quit EVE, and openly writes that, and wants that some changes are not included because less players would quit EVE, I'll will, with all right, accuse him/her that he/she wants to kill EVE.
Just read his post that i quoted before.
And from that post you can also find some indications of n4zism. If he wants to purge all people that are not by his standards and by this he wants improve playerbase. AND calling this natural selection... you get my point. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1234
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:18:00 -
[3822] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:
I am not talking about ganking I am talking about wanting that EVE loose players That only person who wants EVE dead wants And that person who wants to see EVE dead is against WiS - what a surprise. [:roll:
Goon or not a goon, you want the same, dead EVE.
That's a huge straw man argument. Why do you have to be so melodramatic? Arguing that EVE will die without WIS, or that people who don't want WIS also want EVE dead is a completely un-defendable position. The sky is not going to fall if CCP can't deliver on WIS anytime soon, and EVE does not appear to be losing any existing players just because it does not have WIS now, well, other than a few here who keep threatening to quit but are still posting. I would think throwing a lot of Dev resources and cash at WIS again (like CCP did before) before having a formal, executable plan that involves meaningful, engaging, gameplay would be more likely to threaten the health of EVE. CCP delivering another incomplete expansion like "Incarna" where customer expectations were not even close to what CCP could accomplish would be a threat to the health of EVE.
CCP did NOT throw a lot of resources and cash at WiS, they threw it at vampires, consoles and NeX. And I certainly am not suggesting a huge resource allocation to ambulation. I do think the current team is understaffed.
There have been recent posts about the dwindling number of players online. To think Eve is currently on course for huge growth and a bright future requires a degree of baseless optimism I have a hard time mustering.
We need fresh experiences with lower learning curves that will attract and keep new players. Ambulation can be a big part of that. CCP needs to keep ambulation as a serious part of their plans and I think that means a bigger team.
Issler
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
534
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:37:00 -
[3823] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP did NOT throw a lot of resources and cash at WiS, they threw it at vampires, consoles and NeX. And I certainly am not suggesting a huge resource allocation to ambulation. I do think the current team is understaffed.
See :18 months:
WIS is not understaffed at all if CCP does not have a plan yet for providing meaningful and compelling game play.
Issler Dainze wrote: There have been recent posts about the dwindling number of players online.
PCU numbers have actually been increasing since Dec of last year, see here Linky
Issler Dainze wrote: To think Eve is currently on course for huge growth and a bright future requires a degree of baseless optimism I have a hard time mustering.
I did not make that argument so I don't know who you are directing your rebuttal at.
Issler Dainze wrote: We need fresh experiences with lower learning curves that will attract and keep new players. Ambulation can be a big part of that. CCP needs to keep ambulation as a serious part of their plans and I think that means a bigger team.
WIS (or Ambulation) could definitely be a big part of that. But, not until CCP has a tangible, workable, deliverable plan they can execute that provides meaningful and compelling gameplay affecting the entire player base. Until then, there is no need whatsoever to put more Devs or resources into WIS then we have now. Mini-games, clothes, and bars are not meaningful or compelling content, and that is the majority of what is being proposed here.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ai Shun
368
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Posted - 2012.03.16 19:20:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nice cherry picking... now adress this:
...if (I) had roleplayed my character for years, why should I be forced to start anew in another game?
The point is, WHO you are in EVE has got a meaning, starting anew is not acceptable. A character is -to some players, but not you, obviously- a serious investment. WiS outside of EVE is not aceptable.
I think you struggle to read. My original post had this line in it:
Ai Shun wrote:And allow us to use our capsuleers in WiS.
Can I expect an apology from you now for the personal attacks, rudeness and so forth all because you did not read my post properly?
Quote:So your point is that WiS must be allowed to have their game but not as a part of EVE, and you call yourself a WiS supporter?
No, that is not my point. That is the point you are trying to paint me with; for whatever reason I do not understand. My point is:
(a) Separate servers (b) Separate, full development team (c) Separate funding model and separate payment model (d) Re-using EVE characters (OR Creating New) (e) More focus on WiS from a WiS team (f) More focus on FiS from a FiS team
So again, do you feel like apologising now? If you did not understand my original post you can simply ask for clarification. If you do not want to ask on the forum, send me an EVE Mail. I don't have a charge on it. It would certainly make for a more civil conversation than the snarky, lying posts you have been throwing my way.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
437
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Posted - 2012.03.16 19:43:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nice cherry picking... now adress this:
...if (I) had roleplayed my character for years, why should I be forced to start anew in another game?
The point is, WHO you are in EVE has got a meaning, starting anew is not acceptable. A character is -to some players, but not you, obviously- a serious investment. WiS outside of EVE is not aceptable.
I think you struggle to read. My original post had this line in it: Ai Shun wrote:And allow us to use our capsuleers in WiS. Can I expect an apology from you now for the personal attacks, rudeness and so forth all because you did not read my post properly? Quote:So your point is that WiS must be allowed to have their game but not as a part of EVE, and you call yourself a WiS supporter? No, that is not my point. That is the point you are trying to paint me with; for whatever reason I do not understand. My point is: (a) Separate servers (b) Separate, full development team (c) Separate funding model and separate payment model (d) Re-using EVE characters (OR Creating New) (e) More focus on WiS from a WiS team (f) More focus on FiS from a FiS team So again, do you feel like apologising now? If you did not understand my original post you can simply ask for clarification. If you do not want to ask on the forum, send me an EVE Mail. I don't have a charge on it. It would certainly make for a more civil conversation than the snarky, lying posts you have been throwing my way.
as long option C doesn,t have aurum or other failNEX payment and doesn,t cost me extra money ,bc CCP made that promise along with a great Vid back then ,you got +1
otherwise gtfo sorry ,but anything failNEX related should be banned from the game. WIS and NEX together in 1 sentence is a horrible idea,so remove NEX NEX gives a bad taste in the mouth ,for WIS/FIS lovers and also the only FIS people lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Ai Shun
368
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Posted - 2012.03.16 19:53:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:as long option C doesn,t have aurum or other failNEX payment and doesn,t cost me extra money ,bc CCP made that promise along with a great Vid back then ,you got +1
I think they need to plan it carefully. I would hope they have some F2P component to help build new customers for that aspect of the game (Similar to Dust) but I would also expect that existing EVE subscribers should either get a free amount of credit per month in the store (If they have one) or should just have full access to the game.
I'd hope they integrate it into a single client as well to make sure we have a smooth transition from FiS to WiS as capsuleer type characters, but it should be optional to have the ambulation part as there are people who don't want to touch it at all.
I can imagine how cool it would be to have all the different strata of the New Eden society available and playable by different people. Find your slot, play it and have fun.
Of course, we capsuleers will always be the elite |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
536
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:03:00 -
[3827] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:as long option C doesn,t have aurum or other failNEX payment and doesn,t cost me extra money ,bc CCP made that promise along with a great Vid back then ,you got +1 I think they need to plan it carefully. I would hope they have some F2P component to help build new customers for that aspect of the game (Similar to Dust) but I would also expect that existing EVE subscribers should either get a free amount of credit per month in the store (If they have one) or should just have full access to the game.
It would be much simpler if ARUM (in EVE) just went away, and we could directly use ISK instead. We already have an available means for CCP to get MT cash in EVE, it's called PLEX, and CCP sells metric ass-loads of them, and players convert the same amount to ISK every day. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ai Shun
368
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:11:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:It would be much simpler if ARUM (in EVE) just went away, and we could directly use ISK instead. We already have an available means for CCP to get MT cash in EVE, it's called PLEX, and CCP sells metric ass-loads of them, and players convert the same amount to ISK every day.
Then Dust really needs to do the same so EVE Universe runs off the same currency for all its components. Stupid bloody Aurum. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
329
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:31:00 -
[3829] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nice cherry picking... now adress this:
...if (I) had roleplayed my character for years, why should I be forced to start anew in another game?
The point is, WHO you are in EVE has got a meaning, starting anew is not acceptable. A character is -to some players, but not you, obviously- a serious investment. WiS outside of EVE is not aceptable.
I think you struggle to read. My original post had this line in it: Ai Shun wrote:And allow us to use our capsuleers in WiS. Can I expect an apology from you now for the personal attacks, rudeness and so forth all because you did not read my post properly?
Quote:So your point is that WiS must be allowed to have their game but not as a part of EVE, and you call yourself a WiS supporter?
No, that is not my point. That is the point you are trying to paint me with; for whatever reason I do not understand. My point is:
(a) Separate servers (b) Separate, full development team (c) Separate funding model and separate payment model (d) Re-using EVE characters (OR Creating New) (e) More focus on WiS from a WiS team (f) More focus on FiS from a FiS team
So again, do you feel like apologising now? If you did not understand my original post you can simply ask for clarification. If you do not want to ask on the forum, send me an EVE Mail. I don't have a charge on it. It would certainly make for a more civil conversation than the snarky, lying posts you have been throwing my way.
EDIT: My core belief is in the EVE Universe. Avatars, both in stations, in colonies and so forth form a part of that. The lives of capsuleers, fighting in space and so forth form a part of it. The mercenaries fighting in Dust form a part of it. I think there is scope for a RTS as well, to layer inbetween Dust and EVE. There is room for CCP to focus on distinctive game-types (WiS is a separate game type from EVE) and to focus on them to bring out the best in those game types. But, because they are all set in the EVE Universe they can be made to have meaningful interaction and should have that.
And Doc, well said. It is good to see logical, factual discussion rather than emotive bullshit.[/quote]
And you still don't get what is wrong with having to log off, then log in elsewhere just to stretch our legs. You are asking EVE here, WiS over there, which pretty much kills the whole point of WiS and EVE altogether. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Ai Shun
368
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:02:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:And you still don't get what is wrong with having to log off, then log in elsewhere just to stretch our legs. You are asking EVE here, WiS over there, which pretty much kills the whole point of WiS and EVE altogether.
Ai Shun wrote:I'd hope they integrate it into a single client as well to make sure we have a smooth transition from FiS to WiS as capsuleer type characters, but it should be optional to have the ambulation part as there are people who don't want to touch it at all.
I can't make the font bigger to help you with your reading skills. Apologies for that. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1287
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:16:00 -
[3831] - Quote
Amazing, still got the same 4 characters trolling this thread.
They keep straddling the fence and say they want WiS yet they continue to post negative replies and attack other players with insulting innuendos and sarcastic remarks. |
Ai Shun
368
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:23:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Amazing, still got the same 4 characters trolling this thread.
They keep straddling the fence and say they want WiS yet they continue to post negative replies and attack other players with insulting innuendos and sarcastic remarks.
Report the posts. That is the best way to deal with it, DMC. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
97
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:08:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things
Look CCP. I just want the option to slap some capsuleers in the face and then hug others.
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
17
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:35:00 -
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CCP already say this WIS project is going to be finish END OF STORY /close this threat here thanks.
New players - Love to see the new WIS project
Casuel players - Yah why not
Old Players - Well if the fixs the bugs with it iam fine
Wow haters players - NO DONT DO THAT CCP this will become World of Warcraft NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
342
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Posted - 2012.03.17 03:10:00 -
[3835] - Quote
One thing I would like to stress to CCP is, make movement easier. I don't go into the CQ very often, in fact today was the first time since perhaps last August. Getting my AV to move around and camera controls feel rather awkward and cramped.
I suppose I am used to a more FPS like movement system. Although I find the controls on SL to be not too terribly bad, and the separate camera control is nice too with the Focus, Pan and Rotation controls than can be done there. But SL is not nearly as cramped.
Wis Feels very cramped for the third person view. First person I doubt it would feel very cramped at all, so would like to stress to CCP, allow us to toggle into a first person view and use our mouse and keyboard to get around in an FPS fashion.
If there ever is to be any sort of interaction with Dust Bunnies, those Dust players are not going to want to have to adjust to some sort of awkward third person walking into walls environment. Also , if there ever is to be some sort of pewpew in stations, and let's face it CCP, you know you'd like it one day, then getting the FPS movement done correctly sooner than later is the way to go.
And on side notes, still want gambling, bars, women dressed in skimpy clothing and lots of beer and illegal substances, just don't make us pay Aurum for it :)
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.03.17 05:35:00 -
[3836] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Amazing, still got the same 4 characters trolling this thread.
They keep straddling the fence and say they want WiS yet they continue to post negative replies and attack other players with insulting innuendos and sarcastic remarks. Report the posts. That is the best way to deal with it, DMC. what happened between us DMC? wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
914
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Posted - 2012.03.17 10:46:00 -
[3837] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:And you still don't get what is wrong with having to log off, then log in elsewhere just to stretch our legs. You are asking EVE here, WiS over there, which pretty much kills the whole point of WiS and EVE altogether. Ai Shun wrote:I'd hope they integrate it into a single client as well to make sure we have a smooth transition from FiS to WiS as capsuleer type characters, but it should be optional to have the ambulation part as there are people who don't want to touch it at all. I can't make the font bigger to help you with your reading skills. Apologies for that.
There was one idea - something like this, by some guy - in dev blog comments WiS as f2p or something and you need to buy plex (pilot licence) to fly in eve. But still it would all be EVE and not separate game. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
Ai Shun
368
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Posted - 2012.03.17 10:57:00 -
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Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:There was one idea - something like this, by some guy - in dev blog comments WiS as f2p or something and you need to buy plex (pilot licence) to fly in eve. But still it would all be EVE and not separate game.
Sure, and Dust is EVE as well. It is all set in the EVE universe. I strongly believe though that with a separate - but linked - model in mind we can get resources for it like for a full game. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
915
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:20:00 -
[3839] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:There was one idea - something like this, by some guy - in dev blog comments WiS as f2p or something and you need to buy plex (pilot licence) to fly in eve. But still it would all be EVE and not separate game. Sure, and Dust is EVE as well. It is all set in the EVE universe. I strongly believe though that with a separate - but linked - model in mind we can get resources for it like for a full game.
What i wanted to say, the same client. So that WiS players can just buy plex/pay subscription and then they can sit in the ship. And when plex time is run out, you are stuck to station only. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
oldbutfeelingyoung
440
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:22:00 -
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Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:And you still don't get what is wrong with having to log off, then log in elsewhere just to stretch our legs. You are asking EVE here, WiS over there, which pretty much kills the whole point of WiS and EVE altogether. Ai Shun wrote:I'd hope they integrate it into a single client as well to make sure we have a smooth transition from FiS to WiS as capsuleer type characters, but it should be optional to have the ambulation part as there are people who don't want to touch it at all. I can't make the font bigger to help you with your reading skills. Apologies for that. There was one idea - something like this, by some guy - in dev blog comments WiS as f2p or something and you need to buy plex (pilot licence) to fly in eve. But still it would all be EVE and not separate game.
So people log in WIS for free and then what ? pay for whatever we have now in EVE? go to the skilllearning path we have now ?with what ? PLEX? how? i don,t think that is gonna work. If that happens i gonna like every thread taiwanistan made here, bc it will be nothing more then a social network If this happens the FIS/MiNING/INDUSTIALIST/WH/FW/MARKETPLAYER part of this game is less important and we don,t want that.
lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
915
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:33:00 -
[3841] - Quote
i just thought that way CCP can make more money - and more money for CCP - more devs - better game. But yea, I know, there is much problems with that.
I'll just quote what i found there:
Bloodpetal wrote:Torfi, for real, you're my favorite dev. That Troll Punkturis has nothing on you. Moving along - I'm definitely excited to see this come through. I've tossed some ideas around with the community and have a thread that's worked out ideas for game play objectives of the future and have positive support from players so far for the concepts we have fleshed out there : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60345I know it's a lot of text - but maybe you can find some trinkets in there that make sense for you. To summarize the basic ideas in the post for the purpose of this thread : - Create a social class of EVE player that doesn't have to fly spaceships as Free 2 Play content (they can cross over to flying spaceships with subs and PLEX fit perfectly). This will allow old EVE players to return "docked" and socialize and get dragged back into space, and allow current players to invite new friends or spouses for social time, and of course tap into the Free 2 Play market that people love to dabble around in. F2P would have no skill training, and other restrictions that make sense. - Social gameplay can focus on using basic player owned establishments in the environment to generate "influence" to have control over a "district" of a game - the more successful an establishment, the more it generates influence, which can turn the district into a "bonus" for those who operate from that station. You could get cheaper taxes (economic benefits), you could get faster production (industry benefits), you could get "booster trading" (black market benefits). So, an establishment owner actually shapes his environment and station for other players. This of course quickly turns to politics and back-stabbing as people have different interests for different stations. (i.e. Jita would become a political hellhole). - Finally, the F2Players would flesh out the station environments, promote sales and revenue through being able to access content and fill the spaces. Ways to interact with capsuleers would be important, social professions could emerge less focused on pew pew and more on things like : being a noobie recruiter, being a broker for capsuleers who don't want to get out of their ships, etc. The thread digs into concepts by a few people, and I have generally gotten positive responses to the whole concept as proof that this is more than just my delusions. Hope you enjoy.
Aquila Draco wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote: @Bloodpetal - Not sure I approve of the idea of F2P eve, how does it fit into eve lore vs character/capsuleer creation? Secondly, you suggest going from F2P to sub, would you suggest the other way around, from sub to F2P (which would make NO sense imo).
It actually does make perfect sense. PLEX = Pilots License Extension Program.. No PLEX = No License = No Flying. You can be a capsuleer and not be able to fly, and vice versa. As a trial player, you would start as a capsuleer able to fly, when your trial ends you can walk around stations and interact, etc. When you're ready to fly again, you pick up a PLEX and become a licensed pilot and can fly again. It's so obvious it hurts actually. The more I think about it... the more i see that this is the most brilliant idea. It would make things for CCP easier (to follow industry in changes of payment model - one part can be F2P) and it would be the only way that current EVE players can accept F2P model (no much influence in space part at all). And EVE would get more players, CCP more money, and old players would still be happy - and many more players would pay for PLEX too see whats the space they are living in so space part would get more pilots. And space part would get new content connected to WiS part. This would be for CCP real reason to invest more in WiS.
Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
oldbutfeelingyoung
440
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:44:00 -
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Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:i just thought that way CCP can make more money - and more money for CCP - more devs - better game. But yea, I know, there is much problems with that. I'll just quote what i found there: Bloodpetal wrote:Torfi, for real, you're my favorite dev. That Troll Punkturis has nothing on you. Moving along - I'm definitely excited to see this come through. I've tossed some ideas around with the community and have a thread that's worked out ideas for game play objectives of the future and have positive support from players so far for the concepts we have fleshed out there : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60345I know it's a lot of text - but maybe you can find some trinkets in there that make sense for you. To summarize the basic ideas in the post for the purpose of this thread : - Create a social class of EVE player that doesn't have to fly spaceships as Free 2 Play content (they can cross over to flying spaceships with subs and PLEX fit perfectly). This will allow old EVE players to return "docked" and socialize and get dragged back into space, and allow current players to invite new friends or spouses for social time, and of course tap into the Free 2 Play market that people love to dabble around in. F2P would have no skill training, and other restrictions that make sense. - Social gameplay can focus on using basic player owned establishments in the environment to generate "influence" to have control over a "district" of a game - the more successful an establishment, the more it generates influence, which can turn the district into a "bonus" for those who operate from that station. You could get cheaper taxes (economic benefits), you could get faster production (industry benefits), you could get "booster trading" (black market benefits). So, an establishment owner actually shapes his environment and station for other players. This of course quickly turns to politics and back-stabbing as people have different interests for different stations. (i.e. Jita would become a political hellhole). - Finally, the F2Players would flesh out the station environments, promote sales and revenue through being able to access content and fill the spaces. Ways to interact with capsuleers would be important, social professions could emerge less focused on pew pew and more on things like : being a noobie recruiter, being a broker for capsuleers who don't want to get out of their ships, etc. The thread digs into concepts by a few people, and I have generally gotten positive responses to the whole concept as proof that this is more than just my delusions. Hope you enjoy. Aquila Draco wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote: @Bloodpetal - Not sure I approve of the idea of F2P eve, how does it fit into eve lore vs character/capsuleer creation? Secondly, you suggest going from F2P to sub, would you suggest the other way around, from sub to F2P (which would make NO sense imo).
It actually does make perfect sense. PLEX = Pilots License Extension Program.. No PLEX = No License = No Flying. You can be a capsuleer and not be able to fly, and vice versa. As a trial player, you would start as a capsuleer able to fly, when your trial ends you can walk around stations and interact, etc. When you're ready to fly again, you pick up a PLEX and become a licensed pilot and can fly again. It's so obvious it hurts actually. The more I think about it... the more i see that this is the most brilliant idea. It would make things for CCP easier (to follow industry in changes of payment model - one part can be F2P) and it would be the only way that current EVE players can accept F2P model (no much influence in space part at all). And EVE would get more players, CCP more money, and old players would still be happy - and many more players would pay for PLEX too see whats the space they are living in so space part would get more pilots. And space part would get new content connected to WiS part. This would be for CCP real reason to invest more in WiS.
Making WIS free to play and FIS not , will make WIS a sidegame to EVE . While we know that the promise of WIS is something we will not see in the near future ,doing something like this will make WIS nothing more then a social network or maybe getting a occasional recruitment platform
We want WIS as promised. I know it will not have any meaningful game play in the beginning,but it could have later on. So i stick on the WIS idea ,we all want. EvE didn,t evolve to what it is now ,WIS will be not another story butt i am willing to give it a change,as long it is ingame and not as some portal to EvE
lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
915
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:52:00 -
[3843] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:i just thought that way CCP can make more money - and more money for CCP - more devs - better game. But yea, I know, there is much problems with that. I'll just quote what i found there: Bloodpetal wrote:Torfi, for real, you're my favorite dev. That Troll Punkturis has nothing on you. Moving along - I'm definitely excited to see this come through. I've tossed some ideas around with the community and have a thread that's worked out ideas for game play objectives of the future and have positive support from players so far for the concepts we have fleshed out there : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60345I know it's a lot of text - but maybe you can find some trinkets in there that make sense for you. To summarize the basic ideas in the post for the purpose of this thread : - Create a social class of EVE player that doesn't have to fly spaceships as Free 2 Play content (they can cross over to flying spaceships with subs and PLEX fit perfectly). This will allow old EVE players to return "docked" and socialize and get dragged back into space, and allow current players to invite new friends or spouses for social time, and of course tap into the Free 2 Play market that people love to dabble around in. F2P would have no skill training, and other restrictions that make sense. - Social gameplay can focus on using basic player owned establishments in the environment to generate "influence" to have control over a "district" of a game - the more successful an establishment, the more it generates influence, which can turn the district into a "bonus" for those who operate from that station. You could get cheaper taxes (economic benefits), you could get faster production (industry benefits), you could get "booster trading" (black market benefits). So, an establishment owner actually shapes his environment and station for other players. This of course quickly turns to politics and back-stabbing as people have different interests for different stations. (i.e. Jita would become a political hellhole). - Finally, the F2Players would flesh out the station environments, promote sales and revenue through being able to access content and fill the spaces. Ways to interact with capsuleers would be important, social professions could emerge less focused on pew pew and more on things like : being a noobie recruiter, being a broker for capsuleers who don't want to get out of their ships, etc. The thread digs into concepts by a few people, and I have generally gotten positive responses to the whole concept as proof that this is more than just my delusions. Hope you enjoy. Aquila Draco wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:
It actually does make perfect sense.
PLEX = Pilots License Extension Program..
No PLEX = No License = No Flying.
You can be a capsuleer and not be able to fly, and vice versa.
As a trial player, you would start as a capsuleer able to fly, when your trial ends you can walk around stations and interact, etc. When you're ready to fly again, you pick up a PLEX and become a licensed pilot and can fly again.
It's so obvious it hurts actually.
The more I think about it... the more i see that this is the most brilliant idea. It would make things for CCP easier (to follow industry in changes of payment model - one part can be F2P) and it would be the only way that current EVE players can accept F2P model (no much influence in space part at all). And EVE would get more players, CCP more money, and old players would still be happy - and many more players would pay for PLEX too see whats the space they are living in so space part would get more pilots. And space part would get new content connected to WiS part. This would be for CCP real reason to invest more in WiS. Making WIS free to play and FIS not , will make WIS a sidegame to EVE . While we know that the promise of WIS is something we will not see in the near future ,doing something like this will make WIS nothing more then a social network or maybe getting a occasional recruitment platform We want WIS as promised. I know it will not have any meaningful game play in the beginning,but it could have later on. So i stick on the WIS idea ,we all want. EvE didn,t evolve to what it is now ,WIS will be not another story butt i am willing to give it a change,as long it is ingame and not as some portal to EvE
I want WiS badly and i think that EVE do not have future without WiS (I talked about it few pages ago) And because i want it so badly i am open to some changes in concept - but only some. WiS and FiS must be a part of one EVE.
I would love if CCP can make it the way they promised it and showed it to us, and that's my fist choice ofc. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
oldbutfeelingyoung
440
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:58:00 -
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Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Making WIS free to play and FIS not , will make WIS a sidegame to EVE . While we know that the promise of WIS is something we will not see in the near future ,doing something like this will make WIS nothing more then a social network or maybe getting a occasional recruitment platform We want WIS as promised. I know it will not have any meaningful game play in the beginning,but it could have later on. So i stick on the WIS idea ,we all want. EvE didn,t evolve to what it is now ,WIS will be not another story butt i am willing to give it a change,as long it is ingame and not as some portal to EvE [/quote wrote:
I want WiS badly and i think that EVE do not have future without WiS (I talked about it few pages ago) And because i want it so badly i am open to some changes in concept - but only some. WiS and FiS must be a part of one EVE.
I would love if CCP can make it the way they promised it and showed it to us, and that's my fist choice ofc.
understood O>
a lot of us want that ,at least the ones posted in this thread.
lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
915
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Posted - 2012.03.17 13:02:00 -
[3845] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Making WIS free to play and FIS not , will make WIS a sidegame to EVE . While we know that the promise of WIS is something we will not see in the near future ,doing something like this will make WIS nothing more then a social network or maybe getting a occasional recruitment platform We want WIS as promised. I know it will not have any meaningful game play in the beginning,but it could have later on. So i stick on the WIS idea ,we all want. EvE didn,t evolve to what it is now ,WIS will be not another story butt i am willing to give it a change,as long it is ingame and not as some portal to EvE I want WiS badly and i think that EVE do not have future without WiS (I talked about it few pages ago) And because i want it so badly i am open to some changes in concept - but only some. WiS and FiS must be a part of one EVE. I would love if CCP can make it the way they promised it and showed it to us, and that's my fist choice ofc.[/quote wrote:
understood O>
a lot of us want that ,at least the ones posted in this thread.
I am glad to have you on the same page... Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
Vetrox Satria
Vetrox Technologies
26
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Posted - 2012.03.17 13:51:00 -
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I just thought I would add something about the current state of WiS (no doubt i will drag up a load of hate)
As it stands at this very minute (including the way the NeX store gets you fancy clothes) I couldnt be happier than when there was never WiS. I much prefer walking around my quarters with a big **** off huge TV screen than just staring at my ship like i used too.
I remember when they first announced the captains quarters...I was like a kid at christmas. Sure it wasnt as amazing as i was expecting (no expansion for any game is. We hype it up too much) but it was still an addition to the game and I like new things.
Going back to world of warcraft (i used it in a previous example) what do their expansions and new content contain?...The same thing every time. A new level cap, new items (lets not get distracted about these new items they are only there to allow the higher level cap) and some new dungeons.
Put that into perspective of what we, as eve players, get for our 15 dollar/euro subscription. We actually get new FEATURES as well as added items and bug fixes and what not. When was the last time WOW players got a whole new piece of content for their game? Captains quarters (although not finished) is a gift that shows what eve can become and something new to explore. It may not add anything major to the gameplay yet but Eve developers have thought about something completley different and developed it. Not just added a few items and a couple of star systems.
Just be thankfull CCP are still carrying on with WiS developement rather than leaving it or not even adding it in the first place. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.03.17 18:36:00 -
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I just can't wait to see full version of WiS in EVE. I think that EVE will get many many new players with it. CCP, please, don't **** this up. You have a gold mine here. |
bornaa
GRiD.
112
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Posted - 2012.03.17 22:29:00 -
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This thread is still alive?
Good to know that there is many ppl that support WiS. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
304
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Posted - 2012.03.18 01:03:00 -
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Given that allowing dust players to socialise with EVE players on stations is something that CCP intends to implement (eventually).
I guess that for dust players, parts of WiS will be free to play. Though I dare say that due to limitations of the PS3 there will be areas and things that dust players might not be able to do. And they shouldn't be able to do it all anyway, because we are elite , and they are not. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ai Shun
368
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Posted - 2012.03.18 01:34:00 -
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So I'm curious, what is your individual timeline expectations like, guys? I want this all tomorrow (If I had to admit to the excitement factor) but I also want them to do it so well that there can be no complaints about it. How long do you think it will take them? |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
332
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Posted - 2012.03.18 07:49:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:So I'm curious, what is your individual timeline expectations like, guys? I want this all tomorrow (If I had to admit to the excitement factor) but I also want them to do it so well that there can be no complaints about it. How long do you think it will take them?
In a perfect world, I would like to get inital limited social interaction by summer 2013, and complete social interaction + initial limited gameplay by winter 2013.
In the real world, it's impossible to asess what's gonna happen without a peek at CSM7 and Fanfest 2012. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
oldbutfeelingyoung
450
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Posted - 2012.03.18 08:04:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:So I'm curious, what is your individual timeline expectations like, guys? I want this all tomorrow (If I had to admit to the excitement factor) but I also want them to do it so well that there can be no complaints about it. How long do you think it will take them?
We don,t know what ccp,s thoughts about WIS are at the moment. CCP asked for ideas and feedback ,but they don,t really respond on that.
I guess that indeed we have to wait to fanfest to know anything. lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Ai Shun
370
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Posted - 2012.03.18 08:33:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:In the real world, it's impossible to asess what's gonna happen without a peek at CSM7 and Fanfest 2012.
I'm going to be bold here and suggest that even if the CSM turns out to not favour this; with enough voices we can force them to consider it. This thread has shown there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well. It is difficult to gauge how much without raw data from CCP - especially as we are seeing only a slice of the forum population.
However, with a compelling enough post and enough "support" flags in the Jita Park Speakers Corner we can push the CSM to consider it. (In the mandate, read up on it if you don't believe me )
Maybe it is worth somebody (Preferably somebody neutral in the debate who is not engaged in forum warfare on all fronts) to put together a topic for discussion and then we can flock in and support it for the CSM.
Once the elections are done, of course.
(P.S. Glad to see you are still talking to me and hoping you understand the concept I was describing a bit better now)
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
945
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Posted - 2012.03.18 08:47:00 -
[3854] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:In the real world, it's impossible to asess what's gonna happen without a peek at CSM7 and Fanfest 2012. I'm going to be bold here and suggest that even if the CSM turns out to not favour this; with enough voices we can force them to consider it. This thread has shown there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well. It is difficult to gauge how much without raw data from CCP - especially as we are seeing only a slice of the forum population. However, with a compelling enough post and enough "support" flags in the Jita Park Speakers Corner we can push the CSM to consider it. (In the mandate, read up on it if you don't believe me ) Maybe it is worth somebody (Preferably somebody neutral in the debate who is not engaged in forum warfare on all fronts) to put together a topic for discussion and then we can flock in and support it for the CSM. Once the elections are done, of course. (P.S. Glad to see you are still talking to me and hoping you understand the concept I was describing a bit better now)
I think the real issue here is that CCP tried to reinvent the wheel and ended up with a room that will crash any computer that attempts to have two characters in it.
It's obvious that WIS is on the back burner while they try to rectify this little faux pas.
As much as I'd like to see the door opened sooner than later, I don't think we're going to to be having guests in our captains quarters any time soon.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Docter Daniel Jackson
Hendrix Angels Fabricated Confabulations
27
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Posted - 2012.03.18 08:52:00 -
[3855] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:In the real world, it's impossible to asess what's gonna happen without a peek at CSM7 and Fanfest 2012. I'm going to be bold here and suggest that even if the CSM turns out to not favour this; with enough voices we can force them to consider it. This thread has shown there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well. It is difficult to gauge how much without raw data from CCP - especially as we are seeing only a slice of the forum population. However, with a compelling enough post and enough "support" flags in the Jita Park Speakers Corner we can push the CSM to consider it. (In the mandate, read up on it if you don't believe me ) Maybe it is worth somebody (Preferably somebody neutral in the debate who is not engaged in forum warfare on all fronts) to put together a topic for discussion and then we can flock in and support it for the CSM. Once the elections are done, of course. (P.S. Glad to see you are still talking to me and hoping you understand the concept I was describing a bit better now)
I think once they get the walking part down because I hate how slow and bad the walking is in the WISis, they will have more people follow it. I think because they had so many bugs and problems with it they did not seem to get so many people jumping up and down for more.
Which is sad rely because Wis is a great idea that can link Dust and EVE into one big sexy game. It also has some great things it can add to the game like cleaning up the UI with Wis, how you might ask well I would rather talking to npc's face to face and other interfaces with in the WIS then using some UI that some times makes me cry. lol
All I ask is, no jumping in WIS plz ... lol
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1931
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:32:00 -
[3856] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:[This thread has shown there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well.
Considering that 80% of this thread is real Eve players trolling people who want CCP to ruin the game you are incorrect in your assertion.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
450
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:53:00 -
[3857] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:[This thread has shown there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well. Considering that 80% of this thread is real Eve players trolling people who want CCP to ruin the game you are incorrect in your assertion.
lol still trying he mister Harlot ? lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
557
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:54:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way You have to admit it is confusing. We were just trying to get used to the idea that team Avatar was working on WiS, and this comes out with significant UI and other changes being accredited to you guys.
Elanor Vega wrote:And when i see name of team Avatar (And we are talking about team of only few devs here.) above 2/3 of things that is not about avatars i am afraid that team Avatar is only (again) one PR thing and that you are neglecting us, and WiS, again... and i ask myself, for how many years will this go on, and on, and on!?... And we are talking about team of only few devs here.
Maybe it's a bit confusing that Team Avatar was doing all these UI changes. The fact that we managed to put that out in Crucible 1.5 does not mean that we are some PR stunt and that we are not focusing on Avatar stuff and prototyping (the character creator is one of the systems the team is responsible for so I don't think character creation changes should be confusing people). All it really means is that there is a UI person in the team, and we want to contribute a little bit to the expansions even though we are working on prototyping.
What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my freetime because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing).
We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
450
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Posted - 2012.03.18 10:03:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way You have to admit it is confusing. We were just trying to get used to the idea that team Avatar was working on WiS, and this comes out with significant UI and other changes being accredited to you guys. Elanor Vega wrote:And when i see name of team Avatar (And we are talking about team of only few devs here.) above 2/3 of things that is not about avatars i am afraid that team Avatar is only (again) one PR thing and that you are neglecting us, and WiS, again... and i ask myself, for how many years will this go on, and on, and on!?... And we are talking about team of only few devs here.
Maybe it's a bit confusing that Team Avatar was doing all these UI changes. The fact that we managed to put that out in Crucible 1.5 does not mean that we are some PR stunt and that we are not focusing on Avatar stuff and prototyping (the character creator is one of the systems the team is responsible for so I don't think character creation changes should be confusing people). All it really means is that there is a UI person in the team, and we want to contribute a little bit to the expansions even though we are working on prototyping. What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing). We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us
Again your extra work is well appreciated. But keeping silent on avatar stuff and working on UI made it confusing We don,t even know what you are working on ,when it comes to the avatar stuff a bit more info would help
gteetings from Oldbutt lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:27:00 -
[3860] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way You have to admit it is confusing. We were just trying to get used to the idea that team Avatar was working on WiS, and this comes out with significant UI and other changes being accredited to you guys. Elanor Vega wrote:And when i see name of team Avatar (And we are talking about team of only few devs here.) above 2/3 of things that is not about avatars i am afraid that team Avatar is only (again) one PR thing and that you are neglecting us, and WiS, again... and i ask myself, for how many years will this go on, and on, and on!?... And we are talking about team of only few devs here.
Maybe it's a bit confusing that Team Avatar was doing all these UI changes. The fact that we managed to put that out in Crucible 1.5 does not mean that we are some PR stunt and that we are not focusing on Avatar stuff and prototyping (the character creator is one of the systems the team is responsible for so I don't think character creation changes should be confusing people). All it really means is that there is a UI person in the team, and we want to contribute a little bit to the expansions even though we are working on prototyping. What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing). We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us
Thnx for response... You know that we love you just you guys know to, from time to time, stream away from the route you advertised so we must give you a little nudge from time to time too see if anyone is still behind that rudder.
All that comments were not with bad intentions, just its a little confusing to hear all other info just nothing about WiS.
No hard feelings?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1936
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:40:00 -
[3861] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing). We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us
The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve.
Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
458
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:46:00 -
[3862] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP karkur wrote:What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing). We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve. Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing.
Don,t look down ,you lost your space pants !!!!!
lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Aquila Draco
166
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:49:00 -
[3863] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP karkur wrote:What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing). We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve. Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing.
To be player you need to play the game, and not just looking how to kill the game and troll all other players who love and care for the game. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
349
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:55:00 -
[3864] - Quote
Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1936
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:56:00 -
[3865] - Quote
Aquila Draco wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP karkur wrote:What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing). We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve. Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing. To be player you need to play the game, and not just looking how to kill the game and troll all other players who love and care for the game.
I completely agree! That's why you and I don't support CCP wasting a bunch of resources on WiS when it almost killed the game and trolled all other players who love and care for the game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
461
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:59:00 -
[3866] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.
nobody wants some something at the expense of FIS but some i live in my mothers basement trolls ,think we are
lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Aquila Draco
166
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:01:00 -
[3867] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP karkur wrote:What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing). We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve. Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing. To be player you need to play the game, and not just looking how to kill the game and troll all other players who love and care for the game. I completely agree! That's why you and I don't support CCP wasting a bunch of resources on WiS when it almost killed the game and trolled all other players who love and care for the game.
First look whats the name of your alliance. Then research the past of that alliance. Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???
And we have a Winner!!! Goons said it!!!! And you are a Goon!!!!
Go ruin some other game. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1936
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:06:00 -
[3868] - Quote
Aquila Draco wrote:Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???
And we have a Winner!!! Goons said it!!!!
No goon has ever said this. Think about it for a second: why would we want to kill a game that thousands of us enjoy?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:07:00 -
[3869] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.
We do not want WiS and only WiS. We want WiS AND FiS in one and only EVE. We want EVE that will last for many many more years.
Yet some other people here want to tell the world that we want to kill FiS because they do not want WiS "because it will ruin the game" and don't have arguments to back up that opinion. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1936
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:08:00 -
[3870] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay. nobody wants some something at the expense of FIS
Apparently you haven't actually read this thread. At least one person (and her sock puppets) has said exactly that.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1936
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:09:00 -
[3871] - Quote
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Yet some other people here want to tell the world that we want to kill FiS because they do not want WiS "because it will ruin the game" and don't have arguments to back up that opinion.
Except for the fact that the last time CCP ignored Eve to work on WiS a ton of people quit the game and they had to fire 20% of their staff...you guys love to ignore that part of the story.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Aquila Draco
167
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:10:00 -
[3872] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???
And we have a Winner!!! Goons said it!!!!
No goon has ever said this. Think about it for a second: why would we want to kill a game that thousands of us enjoy?
And we have a winner again!!!
Elite goon twho even don't know the history of the clan he is worshiping.
Learn the history before you make any arguments about the future, my young padawan. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
461
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:13:00 -
[3873] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???
And we have a Winner!!! Goons said it!!!!
No goon has ever said this. Think about it for a second: why would we want to kill a game that thousands of us enjoy?
ooow yes they did ,there was even a tv show about mmo,s a few years back . i can,t remember the name of that show,so looking for it online is hard it was about a few online games Eveonline was on it and especially the goons ,about wanting to destroy the game lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
oldbutfeelingyoung
463
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:16:00 -
[3874] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Yet some other people here want to tell the world that we want to kill FiS because they do not want WiS "because it will ruin the game" and don't have arguments to back up that opinion. Except for the fact that the last time CCP ignored Eve to work on WiS a ton of people quit the game and they had to fire 20% of their staff...you guys love to ignore that part of the story.
and still they have 60 people on WOD and you are bashing a 5 men team on WIS yeah right lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
156
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:18:00 -
[3875] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Yet some other people here want to tell the world that we want to kill FiS because they do not want WiS "because it will ruin the game" and don't have arguments to back up that opinion. Except for the fact that the last time CCP ignored Eve to work on WiS a ton of people quit the game and they had to fire 20% of their staff...you guys love to ignore that part of the story.
Again you with your lies.
Million times before we won this argument but your brain cant handle it i see... Give me a prof that ppl left because of WiS.
Ppl left because there was no WiS.
Here is only one quote that will maybe make you remember again:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees.
I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again.
So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs. The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'. Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order. The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner. Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer. By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected?
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Mikhem
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:18:00 -
[3876] - Quote
Epic looking video. I wish that content could be debugged and released.
I think main problem why WiS is never getting released is perfection. If you wait for perfect you never get anything done. I wish WiS could be released in some form and then updated in long run.
FiS was not perfect when EVE was released. It just takes steps forward to perfection. Why cant WiS do the same?
I see WiS as an expansion to excellent chat channel system. Place to hang out and talk bullshit. Expansion for all roleplayers. Place to rest after exhausting workload. Place to think and plan your next move.
Mikhem |
Aquila Draco
171
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:29:00 -
[3877] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???
And we have a Winner!!! Goons said it!!!!
No goon has ever said this. Think about it for a second: why would we want to kill a game that thousands of us enjoy? ooow yes they did ,there was even a tv show about mmo,s a few years back . i can,t remember the name of that show,so looking for it online is hard it was about a few online games Eveonline was on it and especially the goons ,about wanting to destroy the game
I think there need to be a memo sent to all goons so that they are familiarize with the past of their worshiped alliance.
Goons openly (even ON THE TV SHOW) said that they want to kill EVE. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1294
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:52:00 -
[3878] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: Except for the fact that the last time CCP ignored Eve to work on WiS a ton of people quit the game and they had to fire 20% of their staff...you guys love to ignore that part of the story.
Again you with your lies. Million times before we won this argument but your brain cant handle it i see... Give me a prof that ppl left because of WiS. Ppl left because there was no WiS. Here is only one quote that will maybe make you remember again: DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees.
I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again.
So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs. The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'. Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order. The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner. Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer. By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected?
Yeah, Harlot never replied to that.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
470
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:05:00 -
[3879] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay. nobody wants some something at the expense of FIS Apparently you haven't actually read this thread. At least one person (and her sock puppets) has said exactly that.
who,s sock puppet are you mister Harlot ?
lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Aquila Draco
172
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:14:00 -
[3880] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:Again you with your lies. Million times before we won this argument but your brain cant handle it i see... Give me a prof that ppl left because of WiS. Ppl left because there was no WiS. Here is only one quote that will maybe make you remember again: DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees.
I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again.
So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs. The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'. Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order. The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner. Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer. By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected? Yeah, Harlot never replied to that.
He/she/it never reply on post with arguments. He/she/it will not reply on this thread for few pages and then he/she/it will pull this same lie all over again. Its like bott. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
479
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:33:00 -
[3881] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay. nobody wants some something at the expense of FIS Apparently you haven't actually read this thread. At least one person (and her sock puppets) has said exactly that.
hey wait a minute you left out ,i live in my mothers basement trolls part of this post why is that? you live at your mothers basement ? oooow i am close ,am i.
So i get it now,so you have nothing to do in your live,so you have to bash some good ideas ,just to make you feel better. 1 advice m8 get out of your mothers basement some time,there are real people outside,can you handle them?
all the time i was thinking we had to deal with a troll here ,but it was nothing more then a sad sick puppie lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:27:00 -
[3882] - Quote
Mikhem wrote:Epic looking video. I wish that content could be debugged and released. I think main problem why WiS is never getting released is perfection. If you wait for perfect you never get anything done. I wish WiS could be released in some form and then updated in long run. FiS was not perfect when EVE was released. It just takes steps forward to perfection. Why cant WiS do the same? I see WiS as an expansion to excellent chat channel system. Place to hang out and talk bullshit. Expansion for all roleplayers. Place to rest after exhausting workload. Place to think and plan your next move. Mikhem And another please team avatar release something quick and dirty so you can get your emote on with a bunch of dudes post. forget about excellence, depth of gameplay By yet another dude in a npc corp or vanity solo corp.
wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1298
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Posted - 2012.03.18 15:30:00 -
[3883] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us
That's no reason to panic.
Anyway, thanks for letting us know that CCP is still viewing this thread.
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
934
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Posted - 2012.03.18 15:30:00 -
[3884] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:So I'm curious, what is your individual timeline expectations like, guys? I want this all tomorrow (If I had to admit to the excitement factor) but I also want them to do it so well that there can be no complaints about it. How long do you think it will take them?
I am hoping that after Inferno WiS will get more devs to work on it. And then that next year (2013) is WiS year. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1298
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:01:00 -
[3885] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Mikhem wrote:Epic looking video. I wish that content could be debugged and released. I think main problem why WiS is never getting released is perfection. If you wait for perfect you never get anything done. I wish WiS could be released in some form and then updated in long run. FiS was not perfect when EVE was released. It just takes steps forward to perfection. Why cant WiS do the same? I see WiS as an expansion to excellent chat channel system. Place to hang out and talk bullshit. Expansion for all roleplayers. Place to rest after exhausting workload. Place to think and plan your next move. Mikhem And another please team avatar release something quick and dirty so you can get your emote on with a bunch of dudes post. forget about excellence, depth of gameplay By yet another dude in a npc corp or vanity solo corp. Nothing wrong with that post or the Video. The graphic content in it is excellent and that was how CCP had previewed WiS Ambulation years ago which is what players were expecting with Incarna.
Anyway, reporting your posted reply for various reasons. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
936
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:53:00 -
[3886] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Mikhem wrote:Epic looking video. I wish that content could be debugged and released. I think main problem why WiS is never getting released is perfection. If you wait for perfect you never get anything done. I wish WiS could be released in some form and then updated in long run. FiS was not perfect when EVE was released. It just takes steps forward to perfection. Why cant WiS do the same? I see WiS as an expansion to excellent chat channel system. Place to hang out and talk bullshit. Expansion for all roleplayers. Place to rest after exhausting workload. Place to think and plan your next move. Mikhem And another please team avatar release something quick and dirty so you can get your emote on with a bunch of dudes post. forget about excellence, depth of gameplay By yet another dude in a npc corp or vanity solo corp. Nothing wrong with that post or the Video. The graphic content in it is excellent and that was how CCP had previewed WiS Ambulation years ago which is what players were expecting with Incarna. Anyway, please STFU.
Sadly that quality was not adequate for CCPs standards and because of that we got nothing. (CCP started producing new engine).
Don't get me wrong, this new engine is much much better looking and have that wow effect, but i would like that we got complete WiS with interaction and everything and then CCP could go for making things look better - just like they did with EVE (and doing for second time now) (when hardware go forwards with time, with time increase quality). Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
562
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:36:00 -
[3887] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:All that comments were not with bad intentions, just its a little confusing to hear all other info just nothing about WiS. No hard feelings? no hard feelings |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
337
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CCP karkur wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:All that comments were not with bad intentions, just its a little confusing to hear all other info just nothing about WiS. No hard feelings? no hard feelings
Oooh, let's hug!
Oh wait, we can't... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:07:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:Goons openly (even ON THE TV SHOW) said that they want to kill EVE.
Link to this quote, please.
It was said in front of cameras, so it should be easy for you to provide!
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Ai Shun
381
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:14:00 -
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Right, it seems the thread has been derailed yet again.
Lady Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:This thread has shown there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well. Considering that 80% of this thread is real Eve players trolling people who want CCP to ruin the game you are incorrect in your assertion.
I'm ignoring made up statistics.
I do believe there is a number of repeat posts from both sides of the camp and I do believe that WiS is a very polarising issue for both the pro WiS and pro FiS camp. I'm pro both, fortunately
To correct you though; I said there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well. In trying to score the point or whatever it is you are doing, you conveniently ignored this snippet:
"It is difficult to gauge how much without raw data from CCP - especially as we are seeing only a slice of the forum population."
I am well aware of the risk of judging purely on a slice of data available. Hence "level of support". The ones that are for it are certainly fanatical about it.
How to deal with it? As I said before, my ideal world would see WiS created as a separate, yet cohesively linked product with its own revenue stream. I believe, as a product, it can stand on its own two feet and still provide a very compelling and integrated gameplay experience to capsuleers. This would be a further extension of the EVE Universe concept that Dust is adding to and I see no reason why CCP can't diverge into different gameplay arenas to extend the world of EVE. I'd go so far as to say, can World of Darkness and use those developers to work on CCP's core product - EVE Universe. However, there is also a cross-over between the two technologies for WoD and WiS so ... hey. It can work both ways, I think.
Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand. As a player and subscriber I would like to know what the intent is - not a vague promise, but a richer roadmap of what is planned and where things are going. It does not need super detail, but a few target dates would be helpful.
Either way, if we get WiS as an EVE Universe game and I can take my trade alt into a station permanently and sit at a bar chatting while trading - I'll be happy. If I can have Ai walk into a station or visit her colonies, nice as well. If that doesn't happen - EVE will still carry on for me. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1938
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:29:00 -
[3891] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand.
Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
488
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:40:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand. Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer.
and again your are wrong mister Harlot . Turns the lights on in your little basement and read this thread all over lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:41:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:Goons openly (even ON THE TV SHOW) said that they want to kill EVE. Link to this quote, please. It was said in front of cameras, so it should be easy for you to provide!
Please don't act stupid and act here like you don't know Goons moto and what they are trying to do in all games they start playing. Or you do not act...
Google a little and you will see many forums with question like "So what will happen when the goons find out about this game?" and answers like "We'll ruin it just like we ruin everything else." or blogs or mmo sites... they all know what goons wants and you tell me that member of goons do not know???
Research a little history of goons, it goes way back through many different games with the same cause, to ruin the game. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:45:00 -
[3894] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:All that comments were not with bad intentions, just its a little confusing to hear all other info just nothing about WiS. No hard feelings? no hard feelings
nice to hear that... |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
221
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:46:00 -
[3895] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer.
You're just a sheep, what would you know!?! |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:50:00 -
[3896] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:Goons openly (even ON THE TV SHOW) said that they want to kill EVE. Link to this quote, please. It was said in front of cameras, so it should be easy for you to provide! Please don't act stupid and act here like you don't know Goons moto and what they are trying to do in all games they start playing. Or you do not act... Google a little and you will see many forums with question like "So what will happen when the goons find out about this game?" and answers like "We'll ruin it just like we ruin everything else." or blogs or mmo sites... they all know what goons wants and you tell me that member of goons do not know??? Research a little history of goons, it goes way back through many different games with the same cause, to ruin the game.
Ok, so you can't provide a link to a quote.
Thanks for clarifying. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:55:00 -
[3897] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:Goons openly (even ON THE TV SHOW) said that they want to kill EVE. Link to this quote, please. It was said in front of cameras, so it should be easy for you to provide! Please don't act stupid and act here like you don't know Goons moto and what they are trying to do in all games they start playing. Or you do not act... Google a little and you will see many forums with question like "So what will happen when the goons find out about this game?" and answers like "We'll ruin it just like we ruin everything else." or blogs or mmo sites... they all know what goons wants and you tell me that member of goons do not know??? Research a little history of goons, it goes way back through many different games with the same cause, to ruin the game. Ok, so you can't provide a link to a quote. Thanks for clarifying.
First, you did not ask me to give you link. And second, you just proved that you do not even know to use google. |
Ai Shun
381
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:02:00 -
[3898] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand. Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer.
I daresay I don't think even the rabidly pro-WiS crowd wants to return to the way EVE was over the summer. However, you are barking at it from the foundation of "WiS was to blame for exodus and crap situation". In part it was, yes. Because the whole NEX and Microtransaction debacle came as part of WiS, so WiS becomes the easy scapegoat for what was actually a more fundamental disconnect between CCP and their player base - that of Microtransactions and the risk of pay to win. If you want to blame something, blame that.
Ambulation has long been a pet project of CCPs. I'm keen to see where they go with it.
Elanor Vega wrote:First, you did not ask me to give you link as i am not the person you quoted. And second, you just proved that you do not even know to use google.
/sigh - instead of dragging things on and on and on and derailing the thread even more, why don't you just provide the link? If it is that easy, why can't you just post it? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
338
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:10:00 -
[3899] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand. Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer. I daresay I don't think even the rabidly pro-WiS crowd wants to return to the way EVE was over the summer. However, you are barking at it from the foundation of " WiS was to blame for exodus and crap situation". In part it was, yes. Because the whole NEX and Microtransaction debacle came as part of WiS, so WiS becomes the easy scapegoat for what was actually a more fundamental disconnect between CCP and their player base - that of Microtransactions and the risk of pay to win. If you want to blame something, blame that. Ambulation has long been a pet project of CCPs. I'm keen to see where they go with it. Elanor Vega wrote:First, you did not ask me to give you link as i am not the person you quoted. And second, you just proved that you do not even know to use google. /sigh - instead of dragging things on and on and on and derailing the thread even more, why don't you just provide the link? If it is that easy, why can't you just post it?
Even more, ignore the goon trolls. We are not talking about what the goons might have said, might want to do, or whatever. This thread is NOT about the goons.
This thread is about WiS and there's a few trolls easy to ignore with the appropiate forum function. Use it and your thread experience will improve a lot. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
938
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:14:00 -
[3900] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand. Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer. I daresay I don't think even the rabidly pro-WiS crowd wants to return to the way EVE was over the summer. However, you are barking at it from the foundation of " WiS was to blame for exodus and crap situation". In part it was, yes. Because the whole NEX and Microtransaction debacle came as part of WiS, so WiS becomes the easy scapegoat for what was actually a more fundamental disconnect between CCP and their player base - that of Microtransactions and the risk of pay to win. If you want to blame something, blame that. Ambulation has long been a pet project of CCPs. I'm keen to see where they go with it.
Why are you mixing WiS (Walking in Station) concept with Incarna expansion??? NeX and microtransaction and "golden ammo" and "greed is good" and many years of bugs are not a part of WiS!
And once more, all this talk "WiS is guilty for ppl leaving" is LIE. Even on last page you have one quote, why we need to post the same arguments over and over again when ppl that talk that lies don't have even one argument to back them up.
Here is that quote again:
DeMichael Crimson So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs.
The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'.
Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order.
The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."
Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner.
[quote=Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer.
By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected?[/quote] Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
938
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:19:00 -
[3901] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand. Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer. I daresay I don't think even the rabidly pro-WiS crowd wants to return to the way EVE was over the summer. However, you are barking at it from the foundation of " WiS was to blame for exodus and crap situation". In part it was, yes. Because the whole NEX and Microtransaction debacle came as part of WiS, so WiS becomes the easy scapegoat for what was actually a more fundamental disconnect between CCP and their player base - that of Microtransactions and the risk of pay to win. If you want to blame something, blame that. Ambulation has long been a pet project of CCPs. I'm keen to see where they go with it.
Why are you mixing WiS (Walking in Station) concept with Incarna expansion??? NeX and microtransaction and "golden ammo" and "greed is good" and many years of bugs are not a part of WiS!
And once more, all this talk "WiS is guilty for ppl leaving" is LIE. Even on last page you have one quote, why we need to post the same arguments over and over again when ppl that talk that lies don't have even one argument to back them up.
Here is that quote again:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs. The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'. Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order. The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner. Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer. By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected? Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
Ai Shun
381
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:32:00 -
[3902] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Why are you mixing WiS (Walking in Station) concept with Incarna expansion??? NeX and microtransaction and "golden ammo" and "greed is good" and many years of bugs are not a part of WiS!
And once more, all this talk "WiS is guilty for ppl leaving" is LIE. Even on last page you have one quote, why we need to post the same arguments over and over again when ppl that talk that lies don't have even one argument to back them up.
I think you misunderstood my post. I believe people were pissed off at NeX and MT and left (primarily) because of that. However, because WiS has the majority of content (all) on the NeX store WiS became the scapegoat for people who do not look deep enough and understand the core problem.
Re-read it, please. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
951
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:49:00 -
[3903] - Quote
What's all this hooey about pro WIS vs Pro FIS?
That's not it at all.
On one side you have the people who, like myself, want a fully interactive multiplayer science fiction simulator. And on the other you have fat neckbeards that are scared of getting Cheetos dust on their WASD keys so advocate sitting on a gate for hours and whining about the lack of fun.
One makes sense. The other...
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Ai Shun
382
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:57:00 -
[3904] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:On one side you have the people who, like myself, want a fully interactive multiplayer science fiction simulator.
+1. Although I still think it needs to be separate games, linked where possible and so forth. EVE is a universe, it is not just one client.
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
939
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:06:00 -
[3905] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Why are you mixing WiS (Walking in Station) concept with Incarna expansion??? NeX and microtransaction and "golden ammo" and "greed is good" and many years of bugs are not a part of WiS!
And once more, all this talk "WiS is guilty for ppl leaving" is LIE. Even on last page you have one quote, why we need to post the same arguments over and over again when ppl that talk that lies don't have even one argument to back them up. I think you misunderstood my post. I believe people were pissed off at NeX and MT and left (primarily) because of that. However, because WiS has the majority of content (all) on the NeX store WiS became the scapegoat for people who do not look deep enough and understand the core problem. Re-read it, please.
Ok, i have, Yea, it was "a part" of "WiS" that we got in Incarna. Just i react quickly on "nex is wis" talk that i don't really think what you said.
But we did not get WiS at all. WiS is so much more then some ppl can even imagine and i think that's the main reason why some ppl don't like it - they just don't have imagination too see what it would be like to be in complete seamless virtual world created around EVE space.
It's just too late here to get it all at once... Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
Ai Shun
382
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:12:00 -
[3906] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:But we did not get WiS at all. WiS is so much more then some ppl can even imagine and i think that's the main reason why some ppl don't like it - they just don't have imagination too see what it would be like to be in complete seamless virtual world created around EVE space.
No, we got a small teaser of what the entry into WiS could be. It is nowhere near WiS though. But I think it is a bit harsh to say people don't have the imagination to see what it would be like. It could be that they just don't care for that type of gameplay and that the risks in CCP neglect of the game (DMC summed that neglect up fairly well) they love feels too big to them.
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
939
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:19:00 -
[3907] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:But we did not get WiS at all. WiS is so much more then some ppl can even imagine and i think that's the main reason why some ppl don't like it - they just don't have imagination too see what it would be like to be in complete seamless virtual world created around EVE space. No, we got a small teaser of what the entry into WiS could be. It is nowhere near WiS though. But I think it is a bit harsh to say people don't have the imagination to see what it would be like. It could be that they just don't care for that type of gameplay and that the risks in CCP neglect of the game (DMC summed that neglect up fairly well) they love feels too big to them.
I think that thinking like that is killing EVE - leave all as it is and don't implement anything new. EVE is an OLD game and if it don't grow it is dead. And borders need to be moved for it to grow, and WiS is exactly this.
I wrote my fears in one post before, ill quote myself:
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:
How you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST... There is only CCP - the development studio. They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money. All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game. Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way. Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead.
You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then. You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time.
There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen. Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech? Why you want EVE dead?
And many ppl like WiS. Many ppl want WiS. Many ppl need WiS to play EVE. So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever?
But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.) But... Well... thats impossible. If you dont grow, you die. Law of the stronger.
(its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.)
p.s. I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS. I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk. Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again.
... stuff ...
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Ai Shun
385
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:32:00 -
[3908] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:I think that thinking like that is killing EVE - leave all as it is and don't implement anything new.
True for a lot of things; but keep in mind it can grow in many different directions. Dust is one example of growth.
That is not anti-WiS sentiment, I am just highlighting that growth can be done in many different directions to prevent EVE from dying. That said, I don't think EVE is dying. If CCP focussed only on their existing content and worked on that they would still carry on quite merrily. Their own stats show that players of 3+ years are unlikely to ever leave the game. That type of player loyalty has come from something other than WiS.
I don't envy CCP their position. They have a lot of juggling to do to make sure they keep everything moving forward. It must be a lot more difficult from where they are sitting than it is for us to sit here and pass judgement on the forums.
Still, WiS will be a good vehicle to extend the whole, rounded view of EVE Online. I like how EPeen put it - science fiction simulator. That has more components than just spaceships, it has stations, colonies, mercenaries and a lot of things that help build a universe.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1940
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:35:00 -
[3909] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:On one side you have the people who, like myself, want a fully interactive multiplayer science fiction simulator.
When normal people think about science fiction they don't envision dress-up dolls. Eve was a fully interactive multiplayer science fiction simulator without ambulation.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ai Shun
386
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:37:00 -
[3910] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:When normal people think about science fiction they don't envision dress-up dolls. Eve was a fully interactive multiplayer science fiction simulator without ambulation.
Did Han shoot first?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1941
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:40:00 -
[3911] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:When normal people think about science fiction they don't envision dress-up dolls. Eve was a fully interactive multiplayer science fiction simulator without ambulation. Did Han shoot first?
Yes but only after Greedo tried to sell him a $70 monocle.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
942
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:49:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:I think that thinking like that is killing EVE - leave all as it is and don't implement anything new. True for a lot of things; but keep in mind it can grow in many different directions. Dust is one example of growth. That is not anti-WiS sentiment, I am just highlighting that growth can be done in many different directions to prevent EVE from dying. That said, I don't think EVE is dying. If CCP focussed only on their existing content and worked on that they would still carry on quite merrily. Their own stats show that players of 3+ years are unlikely to ever leave the game. That type of player loyalty has come from something other than WiS. I don't envy CCP their position. They have a lot of juggling to do to make sure they keep everything moving forward. It must be a lot more difficult from where they are sitting than it is for us to sit here and pass judgement on the forums. Still, WiS will be a good vehicle to extend the whole, rounded view of EVE Online. I like how EPeen put it - science fiction simulator. That has more components than just spaceships, it has stations, colonies, mercenaries and a lot of things that help build a universe. I agree with everything. But we mustn't look only at the past. Who lives in past, never see the future.
And one thing... Dust is not EVE. It can be in EVE universe, but it will never be EVE. And WiS can be, and is, EVE. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2012.03.19 02:28:00 -
[3913] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Nothing wrong with that post or the Video. The graphic content in it is excellent and that was how CCP had previewed WiS Ambulation years ago which is what players were expecting with Incarna.
Anyway, please STFU.
Mr Epeen wrote:What's all this hooey about pro WIS vs Pro FIS? That's not it at all. On one side you have the people who, like myself, want a fully interactive multiplayer science fiction simulator. And on the other you have fat neckbeards that are scared of getting Cheetos dust on their WASD keys so advocate sitting on a gate for hours and whining about the lack of fun. One makes sense. The other... Mr Epeen Where's the gameplay? seems like the two you really want to meet up in a cq and emote each other and call that sci-fi simulation. i just don't get it can you explain coherently the importance of multi-avatar social gaming and how it should not be dismissed as frivolous. aint it just dumb when dudes who are in npc / solo corps, doing nothing but solo missions to pay their monthly plex rent whine about the lack of fun and player interaction.
Also, to all you thinking that goons are going to destroy the game, yes "they" the Illuminati might! All the sov we control, the CSM domination, the infiltration of ex-goons amongst the devs, are all part of the "doomsday protocol", callsign ALMIGHTY, It all depends on how wis goes, if it goes full second life (you know what happened there right?) or gets tainted by Korean mmo practices then only god ALMIGHTY can help this game. wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.19 02:31:00 -
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quote:
Why are you mixing WiS (Walking in Station) concept with Incarna expansion??? NeX and microtransaction and "golden ammo" and "greed is good" and many years of bugs are not a part of WiS!
And once more, all this talk "WiS is guilty for ppl leaving" is LIE. Even on last page you have one quote, why we need to post the same arguments over and over again when ppl that talk that lies don't have even one argument to back them up.
Here is that quote again:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs. The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'. Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order. The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner. Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer. By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected? [/quote]
Just to repost this list. It was a collection of things that caused the mass-exodus. And I'll emphasize the client-side issues in the case of my video card working too hard after the Incarna release. It was finally addressed after several months, but I have an unproven idea on why some of the 'old' cards were ok, just slow. I'm guessing that they simply weren't able to try to execute all the Carbon instructions in the same way that newer ones could try to. So they didn't end up working as hard. Unproven, however, I'll admit. I'd like to see WiS, and I have NO idea how Jita will work out, but FiS is a priority as well.
And rather than making our CCP Karkur unhappy, I'd suggest bringing treats on Monday (or whenever you people show up in Iceland for Fanfest ) |
Ai Shun
387
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Posted - 2012.03.19 03:19:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:Where's the gameplay? seems like the two you really want to meet up in a cq and emote each other and call that sci-fi simulation. i just don't get it can you explain coherently the importance of multi-avatar social gaming and how it should not be dismissed as frivolous. aint it just dumb when dudes who are in npc / solo corps, doing nothing but solo missions to pay their monthly plex rent whine about the lack of fun and player interaction.
You seem to be projecting quite a bit and not always coherently.
Where is the game-play? Go have a look at Project Entropia and what that entails. The theme for Calypso is Colonist Sci-Fi. It has a space station that is being run as a bar / night club; there are shopping malls with player owned components. Hunting in the wilds and a lot of content for players to build, explore and use. The implications in crafting, individual creativity and so forth are immense. I'm not going to touch on the financial aspects though as their economy is linked to the real world and you can, if you are smart enough, earn a living playing that game. It still holds the record for the most expensive virtual assets sold.
Project Entropia and it's success is part of what makes me see WiS as a separate, yet linked game. You can read more about Entropia here, although that barely scratches the surface. If you have the wits to play it; give it a go. It's not a bad game at all - but, tastes differ so you may not enjoy it as much.
So translate some of that into the backstory and lore of EVE Online. See potential, instead of "dudes emoting". Think of the epic moments in science fiction movies, books and entertainment that were between people interacting. There is a lot scope to help create those environments for us.
Then, keep in mind that MMOs are traditionally social games - people interacting and playing games with other people. To restrict it to one sphere only seems a bit short sighted. Yes, it won't be to everyone's tastes. There are bits in the EVE FiS portion that you enjoy that I may dislike. There are bits I like you dislike. More options gives more scope for more players if they do not short change one for the other.
It is critical to CCP to maintain their current game, but I don't see what the opposition is to them adding content people other than yourself may enjoy as long as they can do so without returning to where we were before - the years of neglect as DMC so rightly point out. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:29:00 -
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I knew about entropia, it is heavily MT-ed. why do you bring that up? are you whining about NEX? dude if you don't feel like it's worth your money, don't buy it, in entropia you have stuff to do ie gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjXYIuvYe0M&feature=related that guy has a few videos on mining, looks more fun than mining in eve. it looks like something i'll roll an alt for.
but what did we see in the incarna preview video? nothing but dudes emoting each other at a bar and some strippers dancing. oh i forgot some boardgame, which i would rather have in a separate window so i can drag re-size it.
wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Ai Shun
387
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:16:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:I knew about entropia, it is heavily MT-ed. why do you bring that up? are you whining about NEX? dude if you don't feel like it's worth your money, don't buy it, in entropia you have stuff to do ie gameplay
That was my point. You asked - where is the gameplay - of something that is currently being redesigned, redeveloped and is under discussion. I pointed out that gameplay like Entropia could be appealing.
Surely you could understand that or is it a problem if I use words of more than one syllable at a time? Or did you just not read the post and fire off a response once you'd seen the word Entropia? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
958
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:25:00 -
[3918] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:I knew about entropia, it is heavily MT-ed. why do you bring that up? are you whining about NEX? dude if you don't feel like it's worth your money, don't buy it, in entropia you have stuff to do ie gameplay That was my point. You asked - where is the gameplay - of something that is currently being redesigned, redeveloped and is under discussion. I pointed out that gameplay like Entropia could be appealing. Surely you could understand that or is it a problem if I use words of more than one syllable at a time? Or did you just not read the post and fire off a response once you'd seen the word Entropia?
He's too busy roleplaying the stupid jock to actually read and respond with any intelligence.
Hmmm... maybe it's not a roleplay. Maybe he really is just a moron in real life.
vOv
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
552
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:46:00 -
[3919] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:I knew about entropia, it is heavily MT-ed. why do you bring that up? are you whining about NEX? dude if you don't feel like it's worth your money, don't buy it, in entropia you have stuff to do ie gameplay
Enropia is not heavily MT-ed. It's 100% MT and you can definitely P2W. You cannot do anything in that game other than socialize without getting out your credit card. You can spend $15 the first hour you start trying to skill-up and then you are done unless you drop-in some more dosh. Almost all social activity heavily revolves around emoting and dressup, and the PVP (what very little there is) is completely laughable.
Ai Shun wrote:Project Entropia and it's success
Entropia can hardly be used as a "success" model IMHO given it's already changed hands 3 times and when they ****-up an expansion or upgrade (see: VU 10) it makes CCP's past failures in those areas seem completely insignificant. It's more of a niche game then EVE ever has been, and probably enjoys only a few thousand concurrent players at peaks because the game play is actually very limited and very grind-oriented and considering you have to pay RL cash just to grind-up, it is no wonder its not very popular.
Ai Shun wrote: I pointed out that gameplay like Entropia could be appealing.
Maybe some style elements or a few basic concepts, but everything in that game is an expensive chanced-based grind with the odds favoring the house in all things. If you just want to chill out, there is no real content beyond emoting/dancing. The crafting and player run services could be borrowed from certainly if we are going to continue to be saddled with the NeX. I think a better successful game to glean gameplay elements and style from would be Mass Effect.
/I really hate Entropia //there are some very cool people who play it however and a few general ideas that could be borrowed. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ai Shun
387
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Posted - 2012.03.19 07:00:00 -
[3920] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Enropia is not heavily MT-ed. It's 100% MT and you can definitely P2W. You cannot do anything in that game other than socialize without getting out your credit card. You can spend $15 the first hour you start trying to skill-up and then you are done unless you drop-in some more dosh. Almost all social activity heavily revolves around emoting and dressup, and the PVP (what very little there is) is completely laughable.
It is certainly not a PvP game, that is for sure. Hence the desire to borrow from specific elements. The mining system is handy. The shopping malls and crafting elements are useful. Of course it would need to be focused more towards EVE and elements that would suit the nature of EVE.
Doc Fury wrote:Maybe some style elements or a few basic concepts, but everything in that game is an expensive chanced-based grind with the odds favoring the house in all things. If you just want to chill out, there is no real content beyond emoting/dancing. The crafting and player run services could be borrowed from certainly if we are going to continue to be saddled with the NeX. I think a better successful game to glean gameplay elements and style from would be Mass Effect.
Beyond emoting and dancing for chilling out - well. What else can there be? Sure, we can have poker, games of chance and so forth but beyond that how many other forms of social interaction can you have when you're constrained to an online avatar? (Thinking of chilling out ... there are other systems we can have for other content)
Mass Effect is an interesting choice.
The core is though - it is not as Taiwanistan wants to believe - devoid of opportunity and gameplay beyond emoting. There are options and there are screeds of science fiction games that have shown us this.
/I liked Entropia (But not as much as EVE) //there are some very cool people who play it however and a few general ideas that could be borrowed. |
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
945
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Posted - 2012.03.19 08:15:00 -
[3921] - Quote
Duvida wrote:quote: Why are you mixing WiS (Walking in Station) concept with Incarna expansion??? NeX and microtransaction and "golden ammo" and "greed is good" and many years of bugs are not a part of WiS! And once more, all this talk "WiS is guilty for ppl leaving" is LIE. Even on last page you have one quote, why we need to post the same arguments over and over again when ppl that talk that lies don't have even one argument to back them up. Here is that quote again: DeMichael Crimson wrote:So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs. The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'. Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order. The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner. Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer. By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected? Just to repost this list. It was a collection of things that caused the mass-exodus. And I'll emphasize the client-side issues in the case of my video card working too hard after the Incarna release. It was finally addressed after several months, but I have an unproven idea on why some of the 'old' cards were ok, just slow. I'm guessing that they simply weren't able to try to execute all the Carbon instructions in the same way that newer ones could try to. So they didn't end up working as hard. Unproven, however, I'll admit. I'd like to see WiS, and I have NO idea how Jita will work out, but FiS is a priority as well. And rather than making our CCP Karkur unhappy, I'd suggest bringing treats on Monday (or whenever you people show up in Iceland for Fanfest )
But one thing. Yout PC must handle 100% load on all components without problems. Do you know how is PC tested for stability after overclocking of graphic card? Run graphic benchmark for 12 hours (it is made to stress out your graphic card). Same thing is with other components.
So, if your PC can't handle 100% load, something is wrong with it.
And why new cards were heating? Because old cards cant produce that much heat And new cards can (just look at TDP data of graphic chip) So, when you don't clean your PC from dust, old card will work well under heavy load, and new, faster, card will start overheat. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2012.03.19 12:07:00 -
[3922] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:I knew about entropia, it is heavily MT-ed. why do you bring that up? are you whining about NEX? dude if you don't feel like it's worth your money, don't buy it, in entropia you have stuff to do ie gameplay That was my point. You asked - where is the gameplay - of something that is currently being redesigned, redeveloped and is under discussion. I pointed out that gameplay like Entropia could be appealing. Surely you could understand that or is it a problem if I use words of more than one syllable at a time? Or did you just not read the post and fire off a response once you'd seen the word Entropia? He's too busy roleplaying the stupid jock to actually read and respond with any intelligence. Hmmm... maybe it's not a roleplay. Maybe he really is just a moron in real life. vOv Mr Epeen
Ai Shun, i asked where is the gameplay, while it is true team avatar has stated that gameplay is being worked on, we have seen nothing tangible in any devblogs yet. I am all for new gameplay, didn't I describe with favorable terms, how mining seems much more interesting in Entropia?
My point is that unfortunately, while team avatar is working on gameplay, there are people like this crazed csm candidate wissler dainze, who is blatantly telling Team Avatar to "not over-think" about making wis into a viable platform of meaningful gameplay, she is in fact demanding CCP to just throw out something quick and dirty like a corp room that has no gameplay functions. And then we see a parade of freaks coming out, parroting their support, trying to influence Team Avatar their way crying about how they think a bunch of dudes emoting each others' avatars will complete EVE Online as the ultimate sci-fi simulator. Some people are just lack vision, welp. wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
169
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:28:00 -
[3923] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:I knew about entropia, it is heavily MT-ed. why do you bring that up? are you whining about NEX? dude if you don't feel like it's worth your money, don't buy it, in entropia you have stuff to do ie gameplay That was my point. You asked - where is the gameplay - of something that is currently being redesigned, redeveloped and is under discussion. I pointed out that gameplay like Entropia could be appealing. Surely you could understand that or is it a problem if I use words of more than one syllable at a time? Or did you just not read the post and fire off a response once you'd seen the word Entropia? He's too busy roleplaying the stupid jock to actually read and respond with any intelligence. Hmmm... maybe it's not a roleplay. Maybe he really is just a moron in real life. vOv Mr Epeen Ai Shun, i asked where is the gameplay, while it is true team avatar has stated that gameplay is being worked on, we have seen nothing tangible in any devblogs yet. I am all for new gameplay, didn't I describe with favorable terms, how mining seems much more interesting in Entropia? My point is that unfortunately, while team avatar is working on gameplay, there are people like this crazed csm candidate wissler dainze, who is blatantly telling Team Avatar to "not over-think" about making wis into a viable platform of meaningful gameplay, she is in fact demanding CCP to just throw out something quick and dirty like a corp room that has no gameplay functions. And then we see a parade of freaks coming out, parroting their support, trying to influence Team Avatar their way crying about how they think a bunch of dudes emoting each others' avatars will complete EVE Online as the ultimate sci-fi simulator. Some people are just lack vision, welp.
What, what, what??? Wait a minute... Taiwanistan?
So you are saying, after all this pages, that you are not against WiS??? That you are actually for WiS with gameplay? |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:18:00 -
[3924] - Quote
Quote:Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order.
The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."
Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner.
QFT Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
490
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:24:00 -
[3925] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:I knew about entropia, it is heavily MT-ed. why do you bring that up? are you whining about NEX? dude if you don't feel like it's worth your money, don't buy it, in entropia you have stuff to do ie gameplay That was my point. You asked - where is the gameplay - of something that is currently being redesigned, redeveloped and is under discussion. I pointed out that gameplay like Entropia could be appealing. Surely you could understand that or is it a problem if I use words of more than one syllable at a time? Or did you just not read the post and fire off a response once you'd seen the word Entropia? He's too busy roleplaying the stupid jock to actually read and respond with any intelligence. Hmmm... maybe it's not a roleplay. Maybe he really is just a moron in real life. vOv Mr Epeen Ai Shun, i asked where is the gameplay, while it is true team avatar has stated that gameplay is being worked on, we have seen nothing tangible in any devblogs yet. I am all for new gameplay, didn't I describe with favorable terms, how mining seems much more interesting in Entropia? My point is that unfortunately, while team avatar is working on gameplay, there are people like this crazed csm candidate wissler dainze, who is blatantly telling Team Avatar to "not over-think" about making wis into a viable platform of meaningful gameplay, she is in fact demanding CCP to just throw out something quick and dirty like a corp room that has no gameplay functions. And then we see a parade of freaks coming out, parroting their support, trying to influence Team Avatar their way crying about how they think a bunch of dudes emoting each others' avatars will complete EVE Online as the ultimate sci-fi simulator. Some people are just lack vision, welp. What, what, what??? Wait a minute... Taiwanistan? So you are saying, after all this pages, that you are not against WiS??? That you are actually for WiS with gameplay?
He always stated that meaningful gameplay was needed . He even put in some ideas into this thread.
But he thinks that we only want to Emote others,where this comes from i don,t know.
lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.03.19 17:15:00 -
[3926] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:He always stated that meaningful gameplay was needed . He even put in some ideas into this thread.
But he thinks that we only want to Emote others,where this comes from i don,t know.
There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize.
So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off).
But I could be wrong. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2012.03.19 17:18:00 -
[3927] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: He always stated that meaningful gameplay was needed . He even put in some ideas into this thread.
But he thinks that we only want to Emote others,where this comes from i don,t know.
this accusation comes from issler dainze herself, telling ccp to not over-think about gameplay. look at her yell "troll" and dodging my concern about her view on wis development https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=949652#post949652
she is basically running for the csm as the engine of the loltrain, here are two examples of the social-crazed creatures trotting behind her platform
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)
Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.
Adaris wrote:I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach:
- Avatar expression (emote system) - Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc) - Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)
Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.
I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.
I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization.
makes you wonder why she is considered not news-worthy on the player created eve-mediasphere (podcasts and interviews, blogs, newsites) wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
553
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Posted - 2012.03.19 17:39:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
But he thinks that we only want to Emote others,where this comes from i don,t know.
There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize. So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off).
^^This, I believe you you nailed it, at least for me. I bolded the key bits.
WIS needs to contain the same potential for risk and consequences FIS has. Otherwise, as has already been suggested, WIS should just be a separate game altogether like DUST, marketed specifically to PVE and social media types of players.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2012.03.19 17:43:00 -
[3929] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:He always stated that meaningful gameplay was needed . He even put in some ideas into this thread.
But he thinks that we only want to Emote others,where this comes from i don,t know.
There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize. So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off). But I could be wrong. god damn, you've just summarized months of my posting
also the products of wis activities (no clothes and other vanities should still be via NEX) has to be part of the player controlled market/industry, as demonstrated by how PI products are made, bought and sold by the players. *no it's not all about the ganking. if these conditions are not met there is no reason for wis to exist. wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
8
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Posted - 2012.03.19 17:46:00 -
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Hmmm WiS and Dust....... ohhhhh i know we can have the dust bunnies invaid having all WiS players running to find hand guns......ok so maybe far far down the road Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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bornaa
GRiD.
117
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:59:00 -
[3931] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Guttripper wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:He always stated that meaningful gameplay was needed . He even put in some ideas into this thread.
But he thinks that we only want to Emote others,where this comes from i don,t know.
There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize. So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off). But I could be wrong. god damn, you've just summarized months of my posting also the products of wis activities (no clothes and other vanities should still be via NEX) has to be part of the player controlled market/industry, as demonstrated by how PI products are made, bought and sold by the players. *no it's not all about the ganking. if these conditions are not met there is no reason for wis to exist.
I don't have anything against danger in station. Just if there is security level distribution so that some parts are safe, some have some danger, some are dangerous and some are deadly. That way all types of players will find what they like. And danger can be scaled too, like danger of economic loss, and danger of loosing your head. Just, i would not like to see gun fights in stations. It maybe can be implemented like part of missions, but, in regular stations no. Pod pilots are not dusters. Guns must be banned by concord scans on all entrances.
Maybe, you can make gun from parts of it you smuggle in but it must be very very expensive job and it should take much time. I would like danger from like poison injected in your arm by some hyper spray or bribing bartender to put poison in your drink, or put poison in drink you are bringing to your mission agent to "bribe him" and it kills him - he will never again talk to you. Or some sort of knife - but it can be used only in corridors where is no security cameras (cameras see weapon the moment you reach for it and alarm goes of) or old and proven break a neck with no weapon. But it have to be some serious repercussions for your deeds, like you can't leave you'r CQ for long time at stations with the same owner, prices of everything on stations owned by the same corp goes up for you for very very long time and agents wont speak with you...
Make WiS sneaky "dark" place, but with all flavors. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:00:00 -
[3932] - Quote
So I see this running theme that somehow all I want is emoting with other players. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
What I am calling for when I said start small and get us something sooner is simple. If CCP starts out with the goal for the next delivery to be full on Jita sized environments and dozens of new game play elements we will never see it in our lifetime. By setting a goal for the first delivery as a "jesus feature" as Hilmar called it CCP will never ever get there and if they do they will get it wrong.
These days agile development practices are the norm. They are all about smaller incremental delivery. That is what I am calling for.
For example I suggested a corp meeting room. I don't mean something useless, for example it could have a war room feature to let you share tactical planning for an upcoming battle. Or to review logistics of upcoming mining operations. How about a recruiting office where I could interview someone that wants to join, allowing me to see what I can with the API and interview them about their history before I accept their application. Start small and build. There have been lots of other suggestions for smaller things we could get sooner that would be useful.
Also the benefit of smaller deliveries there is more opportunity to get it right. Mistakes cost less and are easier to correct going forward. The CQ was an example of "big feature set delivery" and look how that played out.
So spin it anyway you want but when you say all I want is a room to emote with my friends in you really are off the mark. In fact in virtually every other MMO I play I find emoting distracting and rarely bother to learn the commands.
Also, as to clothes and Nex, again, not my thing. What is in the character creator is fine with me. The ONLY thing I would like to see is some manner for corp and alliance members to have the opportunity to display their logo and I'd prefer that on ships first. When CCP has completed all aspects of Eve and live in a giant cave built out of the money they made being so awesome then maybe they could give a corp or alliance Tee shirt.
Issler Dainze Fan of Smaller Incremental Ambulation Feature Introduction The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
oldbutfeelingyoung
490
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:19:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:Guttripper wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:He always stated that meaningful gameplay was needed . He even put in some ideas into this thread.
But he thinks that we only want to Emote others,where this comes from i don,t know.
There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize. So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off). But I could be wrong. god damn, you've just summarized months of my posting also the products of wis activities (no clothes and other vanities should still be via NEX) has to be part of the player controlled market/industry, as demonstrated by how PI products are made, bought and sold by the players. *no it's not all about the ganking. if these conditions are not met there is no reason for wis to exist.
hhmmm although i believe meaningful WIS is a long way of ,meaningful bits and pieces can be added later on. i don,t mind in station pvp, as long i get the change to leave CQ and not being killed the moment, i push that door button If there is some sort of socializing system or emoting ,i doubt i ever use it. But game related content that could be added ,i probably use. How game related content should look like depends on the ideas from the players and how CCP wil handle them But we know nothing now ,at least not until fanfest
edit : i forgot ,pls remove NEX ,give it to the Dustmites lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
bornaa
GRiD.
117
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:28:00 -
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And about NEX. If it will give us new ships skins and logos it can stay. That will mean that it will make revenue and finance itself and we will get much more skins.
I don't use it, but it don't bother me. If ppl wants to pay money for pants, their loss.
And, i did not see that anyone was against NEX, i only saw that they were against it when prices were revealed. |
Ai Shun
390
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:55:00 -
[3935] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:My point is that unfortunately, while team avatar is working on gameplay, there are people like this crazed csm candidate wissler dainze, who is blatantly telling Team Avatar to "not over-think" about making wis into a viable platform of meaningful gameplay, she is in fact demanding CCP to just throw out something quick and dirty like a corp room that has no gameplay functions. And then we see a parade of freaks coming out, parroting their support, trying to influence Team Avatar their way crying about how they think a bunch of dudes emoting each others' avatars will complete EVE Online as the ultimate sci-fi simulator. Some people are just lack vision, welp.
Okay, thank you for the clarification. That makes your position very clear, thanks. And apologies for not understanding that from your previous post. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1258
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Posted - 2012.03.19 21:06:00 -
[3936] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:My point is that unfortunately, while team avatar is working on gameplay, there are people like this crazed csm candidate wissler dainze, who is blatantly telling Team Avatar to "not over-think" about making wis into a viable platform of meaningful gameplay, she is in fact demanding CCP to just throw out something quick and dirty like a corp room that has no gameplay functions. And then we see a parade of freaks coming out, parroting their support, trying to influence Team Avatar their way crying about how they think a bunch of dudes emoting each others' avatars will complete EVE Online as the ultimate sci-fi simulator. Some people are just lack vision, welp. Okay, thank you for the clarification. That makes your position very clear, thanks. And apologies for not understanding that from your previous post.
So the "clarification" offered is neither a correct representation of my position and I could hardly see myself as "crazed".
Issler |
Ai Shun
390
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Posted - 2012.03.19 21:29:00 -
[3937] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:So the "clarification" offered is neither a correct representation of my position and I could hardly see myself as "crazed".
/sigh
Do you want a tissue or are you demanding an explanation as to why I quoted Taiwanistan to apologise to him after reading the rest of the posts in the thread?
I'm guessing you missed the fact that I dropped a like on your post that explained your position. So why pull things out of context? |
bornaa
GRiD.
117
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Posted - 2012.03.19 21:52:00 -
[3938] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So the "clarification" offered is neither a correct representation of my position and I could hardly see myself as "crazed". /sigh Do you want a tissue or are you demanding an explanation as to why I quoted Taiwanistan to apologise to him after reading the rest of the posts in the thread? I'm guessing you missed the fact that I dropped a like on your post that explained your position. So why pull things out of context?
I see that you are temperament person... |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1258
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:21:00 -
[3939] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So the "clarification" offered is neither a correct representation of my position and I could hardly see myself as "crazed". /sigh Do you want a tissue or are you demanding an explanation as to why I quoted Taiwanistan to apologise to him after reading the rest of the posts in the thread? I'm guessing you missed the fact that I dropped a like on your post that explained your position. So why pull things out of context?
No, I'm sorry, I understood your post. I meant it to other readers of the thread.
Serious apologies for the misunderstanding.
Issler |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
222
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:31:00 -
[3940] - Quote
Guttripper wrote: There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize
So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off)
But I could be wrong.
Why does "meaningful gameplay" have to revolve around us shooting each other? I assume you and Taiwanstan are American..
I think there are only a couple of people who have said WiS shouldn't have PVP in it. The majority of EVE players would most likely be in favour of in station PVP but it would have to be drastically different from the FiS style of combat. I think the last thing people would want is for stations to be full of people jumping around firing lasers like some twelve year old Halo player, but if we where to have that style of play, it would have to be reserved for nul sec and we would need something differentness in high sec.
I've said it before and i'll say it again, it's not our job to decide what should be in WiS, we're just here to show support for its expansion through the implementation of actual gameplay
PS. I'm happy to see that Taiwanistan has finally seen the light and moved over to the pr WiS camp |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:37:00 -
[3941] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Guttripper wrote: There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize
So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off)
But I could be wrong.
Why does "meaningful gameplay" have to revolve around us shooting each other? I assume you and Taiwanstan are American.. I think there are only a couple of people who have said WiS shouldn't have PVP in it. The majority of EVE players would most likely be in favour of in station PVP but it would have to be drastically different from the FiS style of combat. I think the last thing people would want is for stations to be full of people jumping around firing lasers like some twelve year old Halo player, but if we where to have that style of play, it would have to be reserved for nul sec and we would need something differentness in high sec. I've said it before and i'll say it again, it's not our job to decide what should be in WiS, we're just here to show support for its expansion through the implementation of actual gameplay PS. I'm happy to see that Taiwanistan has finally seen the light and moved over to the pr WiS camp
(self quote) also the products of wis activities (i mean there must be products that derive from wis, no clothes and other vanities should still be via NEX) has to be part of the player controlled market/industry, as demonstrated by how PI products are made, bought and sold by the players. *no it's not all about the ganking. if these conditions are not met there is no reason for wis to exist. wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:39:00 -
[3942] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Guttripper wrote: There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize
So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off)
But I could be wrong.
Why does "meaningful gameplay" have to revolve around us shooting each other? I assume you and Taiwanstan are American.. I think there are only a couple of people who have said WiS shouldn't have PVP in it. The majority of EVE players would most likely be in favour of in station PVP but it would have to be drastically different from the FiS style of combat. I think the last thing people would want is for stations to be full of people jumping around firing lasers like some twelve year old Halo player, but if we where to have that style of play, it would have to be reserved for nul sec and we would need something differentness in high sec. I've said it before and i'll say it again, it's not our job to decide what should be in WiS, we're just here to show support for its expansion through the implementation of actual gameplay PS. I'm happy to see that Taiwanistan has finally seen the light and moved over to the pr WiS camp also the products of wis activities (no clothes and other vanities should still be via NEX) has to be part of the player controlled market/industry, as demonstrated by how PI products are made, bought and sold by the players. *no it's not all about the ganking. if these conditions are not met there is no reason for wis to exist.
Yikes, my head is exploding!
Liking your post and looking outside to see if its raining frogs.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:11:00 -
[3943] - Quote
There is a concept, resources are finite, so when buying a blade you want the one with the sharpest edge, not the one with the most ornate hilt. I imagine there is some austerity measures going on in CCP, times are not great. The things you described Issler corp room and etc, are the nice ornamentation on the hilt, not the edge. Gameplay is the cutting edge that will retain and attract players. With many challenges looming in the horizon, i don't see how CCP can spare the resources on ornamentation.
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
306
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:59:00 -
[3944] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:There is a concept, resources are finite, so when buying a blade you want the one with the sharpest edge, not the one with the most ornate hilt. I imagine there is some austerity measures going on in CCP, times are not great. The things you described Issler corp room and etc, are the nice ornamentation on the hilt, not the edge. Gameplay is the cutting edge that will retain and attract players. With many challenges looming in the horizon, i don't see how CCP can spare the resources on ornamentation.
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.
Not completely true. Players are attracted by the visual appearance of a game, and it does add to the overall experience, why do you think CCP upgraded to the trinity engine in the first place? From the perspective of a new player, the appearance of a game is a major aspect that they judge it by before they make the decision to buy.
If you really believe what you are saying, you should also be telling CCP to stop work on V3 shops, new effects, turrets, particle effects, and customisable ship skins.
EVE's cutting edge graphics are one of it's unique selling points. They need to remain on that edge to remain competitive.
The truth is, gameplay and appearance are tightly coupled. Each sweetens, the other if you like. For some people, admiring your ship in the hanger, or your avatar in the CQ, is gameplay. Meeting up in a corp room, for some, is gameplay. Making stuff blow up, for some, is gameplay.
You make the mistake of defining gameplay as those features that you personally enjoy.
Mining is the exception, which is like dying a slow death from boredom.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian Pinked
40
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:02:00 -
[3945] - Quote
I want more graphical goodies instead of WiS Too many Jagged Lines!!! Real Caldari Hull Tank (And Win doing so) Support https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1945
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:04:00 -
[3946] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I could hardly see myself as "crazed".
Insulting developers who are working hard to make the game better for everybody because they aren't working on space pants and roleplayer nonsense is a pretty good definition of "crazed". For the first hundred pages of this thread you whined that nobody from CCP was talking to you and then when they do you hurl negativity at them...real classy.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Daniel Jackson
Planet Watchers
2
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:16:00 -
[3947] - Quote
i want walking in stations, i been flying in space and twerling my ship around for 9 years! give us veterans a new frontier to venture apon T'amber for CSM7 - Ship and Client Customisation https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=65862 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 06:26:00 -
[3948] - Quote
Daniel Jackson wrote:i want walking in stations, i been flying in space and twerling my ship around for 9 years! give us veterans a new frontier to venture apon
Other than your SIG, a very large like for your post!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 06:34:00 -
[3949] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:There is a concept, resources are finite, so when buying a blade you want the one with the sharpest edge, not the one with the most ornate hilt. I imagine there is some austerity measures going on in CCP, times are not great. The things you described Issler corp room and etc, are the nice ornamentation on the hilt, not the edge. Gameplay is the cutting edge that will retain and attract players. With many challenges looming in the horizon, i don't see how CCP can spare the resources on ornamentation.
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.
Yes, I am somehow responsible for every person's idea of WiS?? Are you personally responsible for every irrational goon troll?
No, you aren't. Because unlike at least one goon troll common here that found it impossible to use the character creator and has been cursed with the ugliest face in all of Eve and an obsession with pants, you actually post some well thought out posts.
I don't paint you with the stereotype goon brush because you show reason. I ask you to give me the same courtesy, measure me by MY ideas and what I post, not the imagined worst case stereotypes of emoting NeX fashion obsessed "space barbies" because that is definitely not me and not the pro ambulation folks that posted in this thread.
Issler Danze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1053
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Posted - 2012.03.20 06:48:00 -
[3950] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.
http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w
The emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker.
If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai. |
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Ai Shun
391
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Posted - 2012.03.20 07:22:00 -
[3951] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Yikes, my head is exploding!
Liking your post and looking outside to see if its raining frogs.
I must admit to doing a similar double take. After his stoush with DMC; I fully thought Taiwanistan was rabidly, vehemently against anything related to WiS. Which just shows how easy it is to misread someone on a forum.
I don't know how much anyone can take from it; but I am glad to see at least a reasonable amount of rational discussion.
Dunno why, maybe it is the beer talking but it is warming my cold Caldari heart.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1299
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Posted - 2012.03.20 07:53:00 -
[3952] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5wThe emoter freaks have infested CCP.
Epic post.
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bornaa
GRiD.
118
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Posted - 2012.03.20 10:45:00 -
[3953] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5wThe emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker. If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai.
XD... that link...
I LOVE IT!!! |
Severian Carnifex
106
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Posted - 2012.03.20 12:06:00 -
[3954] - Quote
Whats this? We are all friends now???
Goooooooooooo WiS! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
341
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Posted - 2012.03.20 13:59:00 -
[3955] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5wThe emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker. If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai.
Doh, for a second, that vid sent a chill down my spine... so much potential, so much wasted... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Tristan North
I.Net Academy
73
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:45:00 -
[3956] - Quote
Am I the only one that want to be able to use all races clothing/haircuts?
Not a huge improvement for WiS, i know, but at least let us enjoy what's already there. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:46:00 -
[3957] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5wThe emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker. If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai.
... there are no words, all is lost wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
341
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:50:00 -
[3958] - Quote
Doh... either it's a briliant flop by CCP or it's an epic trolling... but sbdy just uploaded a video of (alleged) Inferno gameplay from Duality test server.
Won't mess with ISD so not gonna put the link ... just will mention...
- Never heard before in-station music (= new music?) - An avatar portrait with a hat (= hats for avatars?) - "Gender reassignment methodology" skill (Dude!? ) EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
555
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:52:00 -
[3959] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5wThe emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker. If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai. Doh, for a second, that vid sent a chill down my spine... so much potential, so much wasted...
Potential for what exactly? Night at the Roxbury in space? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:55:00 -
[3960] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5wThe emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker. If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai.
ROFL
This is epic. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
491
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:16:00 -
[3961] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5wThe emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker. If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai. ROFL This is epic.
although it was funny ,but not Epic . I want walking in stations and maybe running in stations and all what belongs to it ,to keep this a serious game. if dance emotes should happen or be possible in WIS ,WIS will be a disaster
lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
oldbutfeelingyoung
491
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:23:00 -
[3962] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I could hardly see myself as "crazed". Insulting developers who are working hard to make the game better for everybody because they aren't working on space pants and roleplayer nonsense is a pretty good definition of "crazed". For the first hundred pages of this thread you whined that nobody from CCP was talking to you and then when they do you hurl negativity at them...real classy.
who did?
besides there are similarity's between you and another person in your post how come?
The Mittani wrote:I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either. lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:34:00 -
[3963] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5wThe emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker. If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai. ROFL This is epic. although it was funny ,but not Epic . I want walking in stations and maybe running in stations and all what belongs to it ,to keep this a serious game. if dance emotes should happen or be possible in WIS ,WIS will be a disaster
Make it available only in clubs/bars? That way the rest of WiS will be serious business, and clubs or bars for fun.
The same thing i am thinking about running, it would look stupid if its implemented because all players will run. Make fast walk, and instead of running make something like segways and make it that you cant enter bars/clubs/stores/market/offices with it so that we keep the feel of serious business.
And with all of this it will give ppl a feeling that its not all the same where ever you come. (it don't look the same and ppl dont act in the same way) |
Severian Carnifex
108
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:05:00 -
[3964] - Quote
I only hope that they implement in WiS interactive parts of industry. Industry in EVE need very serious changes and updates. And WiS could make industry actually fun, and not only mean to get to a some goal.
P.S. this thread passed 100.000 views. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1271
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:09:00 -
[3965] - Quote
Only a few hours left to vote for the only ambulation candidate.
Let's get that door open!
Vote for Issler -http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1947
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:12:00 -
[3966] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I could hardly see myself as "crazed". Insulting developers who are working hard to make the game better for everybody because they aren't working on space pants and roleplayer nonsense is a pretty good definition of "crazed". For the first hundred pages of this thread you whined that nobody from CCP was talking to you and then when they do you hurl negativity at them...real classy. who did?
Issler did.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:33:00 -
[3967] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I could hardly see myself as "crazed". Insulting developers who are working hard to make the game better for everybody because they aren't working on space pants and roleplayer nonsense is a pretty good definition of "crazed". For the first hundred pages of this thread you whined that nobody from CCP was talking to you and then when they do you hurl negativity at them...real classy. who did? Issler did.
Ah... You need back to primary school. |
bornaa
GRiD.
118
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:40:00 -
[3968] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5wThe emoter freaks have infested CCP. .
I must post extended version here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jHJI8igcofI
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1947
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:41:00 -
[3969] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:
Ah... You need back to primary school.
Oh god the irony...
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
9
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:42:00 -
[3970] - Quote
Funny how manny pages you have to go back just to see the original topic. Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1947
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:55:00 -
[3971] - Quote
Yoma Karima wrote:Funny how manny pages you have to go back just to see the original topic.
Kinda shows how little support there actually is for WiS nonsense.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ai Shun
394
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:05:00 -
[3972] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Yoma Karima wrote:Funny how manny pages you have to go back just to see the original topic. Kinda shows how little support there actually is for WiS nonsense.
Or how many times a day you come to it to troll and bump the thread. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1277
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:09:00 -
[3973] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yoma Karima wrote:Funny how manny pages you have to go back just to see the original topic. Kinda shows how little support there actually is for WiS nonsense. Or how many times a day you come to it to troll and bump the thread.
I finally got around to setting her post to ignore.... my life has never been better since!
Issler
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1947
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:10:00 -
[3974] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yoma Karima wrote:Funny how manny pages you have to go back just to see the original topic. Kinda shows how little support there actually is for WiS nonsense. Or how many times a day you come to it to troll and bump the thread.
I get sad when I see this thread on page two. It's too hilarious for page two.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1280
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:46:00 -
[3975] - Quote
189 pages and 100200+ views, not to count all the pro-ambulation likes spread across the thread!
CCP, there is all the evidence you need to show we want that door opened!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate Vote Issler for Ambulation |
Severian Carnifex
108
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:52:00 -
[3976] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:189 pages and 100200+ views, not to count all the pro-ambulation likes spread across the thread! CCP, there is all the evidence you need to show we want that door opened! Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate Vote Issler for Ambulation
8 more minutes for voting.
Good luck Issler. I hope you will be a part of CSM7. |
Severian Carnifex
108
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:55:00 -
[3977] - Quote
You... you... I hate you.
I now have that on my living room TV looping... |
bornaa
GRiD.
120
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:06:00 -
[3978] - Quote
Here is OP from one thread that is close to describing why more then few ppl that i know left EVE: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=971172#post971172
Nazzer Dawk wrote:Some background, I was somewhat interested in EVE back in the early days based on the spaceship designs. I saw the Naglfar and drew a space scene in my art class the next day, based on that design. I just never thought I'd be abel to play it on my old computer, so back in 2003-2005, it wasn't on my To Play list.
But one day I was at a coworker's house and he had EVE running on a beefy rig with a huge monitor, and I asked him about it. He told me about the in-game economy, the scale, the corporations, the fact that things that are considered griefing in other games are defended by the developers as essential parts of the experience. But the big question I wanted to know was whether you could walk around your ship's interiors. I REALLY wanted to know that. He said "No, but they're making an expansion that will let you walk around your captain's quarters".
Well, Crucible is out, and it's several versions in. And I played the trial shortly after I had this conversation with my coworker, but I dropped it after a few hours of play. It felt too... Impersonal.
Cut to three days ago. I am browsing the internet, and someone posts a screenshot of their character in the captain's quarters on Reddit. I'm intrigued.
Then I decided to give the game a try again. Bought some gametime the day before yesterday.
Immediately I got into the captain's quarters. I tried walking into the mirror before I realized that it wasn't a corridor. I turned around, went out to my ship, and flipped out. It's gorgeous. I've got the little holograms with "Fitting" and "Cargohold" and such on it, I've got the TV and couch, It's awesome.
Then I noticed another door. The one to the rest of the station. I ran over to it (Haha) and clicked the panel.
Closed for decontamination or whatever. Right, because the stations aren't done yet.
Well, I can say that I'm much happier that I have a proper avatar and that the amazing character creator isn't just for my Portrait anymore, but I NEED to walk around the station.
And after that? I need to walk around and customize my ship's interior. You guys don't understand, I -NEED- it. It's the thing that will make me a life-long EVE player, I can say that now. I don't want to be playing with spaceship toys in the backyard like EVE currently feels like, I want to be a ship captain. And part of being a captain is being on the ship, seeing out the viewport.
Sorry for the ramble, but other people must feel the same. EVE has so much promise. This could be THE GAME. It just needs to let us romantics life out our fantasies in this particular way.
Some people NEED too feel like human (or something like that). They NEED character they will dive into and play the game like its him. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
558
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:10:00 -
[3979] - Quote
bornaa wrote:Here is OP from one thread that is close to describing why more then few ppl that i know left EVE: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=971172#post971172Nazzer Dawk wrote:Some background, I was somewhat interested in EVE back in the early days based on the spaceship designs. I saw the Naglfar and drew a space scene in my art class the next day, based on that design. I just never thought I'd be abel to play it on my old computer, so back in 2003-2005, it wasn't on my To Play list.
But one day I was at a coworker's house and he had EVE running on a beefy rig with a huge monitor, and I asked him about it. He told me about the in-game economy, the scale, the corporations, the fact that things that are considered griefing in other games are defended by the developers as essential parts of the experience. But the big question I wanted to know was whether you could walk around your ship's interiors. I REALLY wanted to know that. He said "No, but they're making an expansion that will let you walk around your captain's quarters".
Well, Crucible is out, and it's several versions in. And I played the trial shortly after I had this conversation with my coworker, but I dropped it after a few hours of play. It felt too... Impersonal.
Cut to three days ago. I am browsing the internet, and someone posts a screenshot of their character in the captain's quarters on Reddit. I'm intrigued.
Then I decided to give the game a try again. Bought some gametime the day before yesterday.
Immediately I got into the captain's quarters. I tried walking into the mirror before I realized that it wasn't a corridor. I turned around, went out to my ship, and flipped out. It's gorgeous. I've got the little holograms with "Fitting" and "Cargohold" and such on it, I've got the TV and couch, It's awesome.
Then I noticed another door. The one to the rest of the station. I ran over to it (Haha) and clicked the panel.
Closed for decontamination or whatever. Right, because the stations aren't done yet.
Well, I can say that I'm much happier that I have a proper avatar and that the amazing character creator isn't just for my Portrait anymore, but I NEED to walk around the station.
And after that? I need to walk around and customize my ship's interior. You guys don't understand, I -NEED- it. It's the thing that will make me a life-long EVE player, I can say that now. I don't want to be playing with spaceship toys in the backyard like EVE currently feels like, I want to be a ship captain. And part of being a captain is being on the ship, seeing out the viewport.
Sorry for the ramble, but other people must feel the same. EVE has so much promise. This could be THE GAME. It just needs to let us romantics life out our fantasies in this particular way.
This definitely proves that CCP should never advertise a feature before it is available.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
bornaa
GRiD.
121
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:17:00 -
[3980] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:bornaa wrote:Here is OP from one thread that is close to describing why more then few ppl that i know left EVE: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=971172#post971172Nazzer Dawk wrote:Some background, I was somewhat interested in EVE back in the early days based on the spaceship designs. I saw the Naglfar and drew a space scene in my art class the next day, based on that design. I just never thought I'd be abel to play it on my old computer, so back in 2003-2005, it wasn't on my To Play list.
But one day I was at a coworker's house and he had EVE running on a beefy rig with a huge monitor, and I asked him about it. He told me about the in-game economy, the scale, the corporations, the fact that things that are considered griefing in other games are defended by the developers as essential parts of the experience. But the big question I wanted to know was whether you could walk around your ship's interiors. I REALLY wanted to know that. He said "No, but they're making an expansion that will let you walk around your captain's quarters".
Well, Crucible is out, and it's several versions in. And I played the trial shortly after I had this conversation with my coworker, but I dropped it after a few hours of play. It felt too... Impersonal.
Cut to three days ago. I am browsing the internet, and someone posts a screenshot of their character in the captain's quarters on Reddit. I'm intrigued.
Then I decided to give the game a try again. Bought some gametime the day before yesterday.
Immediately I got into the captain's quarters. I tried walking into the mirror before I realized that it wasn't a corridor. I turned around, went out to my ship, and flipped out. It's gorgeous. I've got the little holograms with "Fitting" and "Cargohold" and such on it, I've got the TV and couch, It's awesome.
Then I noticed another door. The one to the rest of the station. I ran over to it (Haha) and clicked the panel.
Closed for decontamination or whatever. Right, because the stations aren't done yet.
Well, I can say that I'm much happier that I have a proper avatar and that the amazing character creator isn't just for my Portrait anymore, but I NEED to walk around the station.
And after that? I need to walk around and customize my ship's interior. You guys don't understand, I -NEED- it. It's the thing that will make me a life-long EVE player, I can say that now. I don't want to be playing with spaceship toys in the backyard like EVE currently feels like, I want to be a ship captain. And part of being a captain is being on the ship, seeing out the viewport.
Sorry for the ramble, but other people must feel the same. EVE has so much promise. This could be THE GAME. It just needs to let us romantics life out our fantasies in this particular way. This definitely proves that CCP should never advertise a feature before it is available.
On that i can agree with you!
They have played this game for not that short time... and they were hoping that WiS is coming for over a year. All that promises, videos, talk, announcements made them so impatient when it will come, when WiS will come. And then Incarna came... They saw prison cell and they just quit EVE. And, i cant say i blame them.
And because that people i hope that CCP will give us WiS so that i can once again play with that guys and gals. And i cant say that i don't want it too... |
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bornaa
GRiD.
121
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:18:00 -
[3981] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:bornaa wrote:Here is OP from one thread that is close to describing why more then few ppl that i know left EVE: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=971172#post971172Nazzer Dawk wrote:Some background, I was somewhat interested in EVE back in the early days based on the spaceship designs. I saw the Naglfar and drew a space scene in my art class the next day, based on that design. I just never thought I'd be abel to play it on my old computer, so back in 2003-2005, it wasn't on my To Play list.
But one day I was at a coworker's house and he had EVE running on a beefy rig with a huge monitor, and I asked him about it. He told me about the in-game economy, the scale, the corporations, the fact that things that are considered griefing in other games are defended by the developers as essential parts of the experience. But the big question I wanted to know was whether you could walk around your ship's interiors. I REALLY wanted to know that. He said "No, but they're making an expansion that will let you walk around your captain's quarters".
Well, Crucible is out, and it's several versions in. And I played the trial shortly after I had this conversation with my coworker, but I dropped it after a few hours of play. It felt too... Impersonal.
Cut to three days ago. I am browsing the internet, and someone posts a screenshot of their character in the captain's quarters on Reddit. I'm intrigued.
Then I decided to give the game a try again. Bought some gametime the day before yesterday.
Immediately I got into the captain's quarters. I tried walking into the mirror before I realized that it wasn't a corridor. I turned around, went out to my ship, and flipped out. It's gorgeous. I've got the little holograms with "Fitting" and "Cargohold" and such on it, I've got the TV and couch, It's awesome.
Then I noticed another door. The one to the rest of the station. I ran over to it (Haha) and clicked the panel.
Closed for decontamination or whatever. Right, because the stations aren't done yet.
Well, I can say that I'm much happier that I have a proper avatar and that the amazing character creator isn't just for my Portrait anymore, but I NEED to walk around the station.
And after that? I need to walk around and customize my ship's interior. You guys don't understand, I -NEED- it. It's the thing that will make me a life-long EVE player, I can say that now. I don't want to be playing with spaceship toys in the backyard like EVE currently feels like, I want to be a ship captain. And part of being a captain is being on the ship, seeing out the viewport.
Sorry for the ramble, but other people must feel the same. EVE has so much promise. This could be THE GAME. It just needs to let us romantics life out our fantasies in this particular way. This definitely proves that CCP should never advertise a feature before it is available.
On that i can agree with you!
They have played this game for not that short time... and they were hoping that WiS is coming for over a year. All that promises, videos, talk, announcements made them so impatient when it will come, when WiS will come. And then Incarna came... They saw prison cell and they just quit EVE. And, i cant say i blame them.
And because that people i hope that CCP will give us WiS so that i can once again play with that guys and gals. And i cant say that i don't want it too...
p.s. I hate when i click quote and not edit. |
Ai Shun
394
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:41:00 -
[3982] - Quote
bornaa wrote:I hate when i click quote and not edit.
Then click back / cancel next time instead of post. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:47:00 -
[3983] - Quote
Thanks to everyone that supported my CSM 7 efforts. Let's hope we get someone in the CSM 7 that will keep CCP's feet to the fire and get that door open!
Issler |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
221
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:57:00 -
[3984] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Doh... either it's a briliant flop by CCP or it's an epic trolling... but sbdy just uploaded a video of (alleged) Inferno gameplay from Duality test server. Won't mess with ISD so not gonna put the link ... just will mention... - Never heard before in-station music (= new music?) - An avatar portrait with a hat (= hats for avatars?) - "Gender reassignment methodology" skill (Dude!? ) you trolling or really that dumb? wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1953
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Posted - 2012.03.21 03:25:00 -
[3985] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Let's hope we get someone in the CSM 7 that will keep CCP's feet to the fire
I hope you voted for Mittens then.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
310
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:30:00 -
[3986] - Quote
Mmm... toasty warm feet. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.03.21 06:32:00 -
[3987] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Thanks to everyone that supported my CSM 7 efforts. Let's hope we get someone in the CSM 7 that will keep CCP's feet to the fire and get that door open!
Issler
Doubt it. Being that the majority of Eve players seem to be HighSec and CSM 6 (5 & 4 I think) was 100% Low/NullSec, if things go the same way this time we are SOL. I am fairly sure there are not too many Low/NullSec players rooting for WIS. I could be wrong but again, I doubt it.
"If the majority of the players are HighSec then why does Low/Null Sec CSM's keep getting voted in?"
Its politics; when does the "popular vote" ever get the candidate they want? Case in point: 2004 US Presidential Election. Better yet Ron Paul would be president by now. Slash the budget by lowering foreign aid thus making federal income tax no longer needed (like it was before the 90's), end the needless blood money oil wars and Rome style world domination, put the bankers who caused the world recession behind bars and making sure it will never happen again by ending the "federal" [PRIVATE bankers who print our money and decide its value] reserve; who isn't for that kind of stuff?
Oh ya, the people who are currently rigging the system so they can continue committing fraud making billions of dollars by raping the general public. Welcome to politics. |
Ai Shun
400
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Posted - 2012.03.21 06:35:00 -
[3988] - Quote
Alyssa Cristole wrote:Doubt it. Being that the majority of Eve players seem to be HighSec and CSM 6 (5 & 4 I think) was 100% Low/NullSec, if things go the same way this time we are SOL. I am fairly sure there are not too many Low/NullSec players rooting for WIS. I could be wrong but again, I doubt it.
I really, really, really, utterly loathe the idea of dividing the game by security rating. It is a lazy, stupid way of thinking to my mind and it only serves to divide the player base and create these types of divides. Have you not seen Taiwanistan, a null sec Goonie post in favour of MEANINGFUL WiS? If such a heretic can believe, who says there aren't as many that want it in a similar, meaningful form?
Rather divide people by what they want and what they don't want; what they do and don't and so on if you absolutely have to put them into buckets.
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Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.03.21 06:57:00 -
[3989] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Alyssa Cristole wrote:Doubt it. Being that the majority of Eve players seem to be HighSec and CSM 6 (5 & 4 I think) was 100% Low/NullSec, if things go the same way this time we are SOL. I am fairly sure there are not too many Low/NullSec players rooting for WIS. I could be wrong but again, I doubt it. I really, really, really, utterly loathe the idea of dividing the game by security rating. It is a lazy, stupid way of thinking to my mind and it only serves to divide the player base and create these types of divides. Have you not seen Taiwanistan, a null sec Goonie post in favour of MEANINGFUL WiS? If such a heretic can believe, who says there aren't as many that want it in a similar, meaningful form? Rather divide people by what they want and what they don't want; what they do and don't and so on if you absolutely have to put them into buckets.
Sorry hun, if you truly think an undivided Low/Null - HighSec player basis is possible you are more of a idealist then I am. Being I am probably the biggest carebear idealist in this game, I am not sure that argument is going to hold any water. My basis for the statement is based on reading hundreds of forum posts doing research before I decided to come play Eve. The player basis is as divided as Israel and Palestine. Ironically it seems both player basis need each other to keep the in game economy stable, but when it comes to core values they are nothing alike. As for the Goonie coming over to the light side? Hell, a broken clock is right twice a day. As for being a "lazy" way of thinking is probably not the terminology you were looking for as there is nothing "lazy" about "thinking". I will excuse the semantics and agree to disagree.
The real problem with Null/Low Sec folks is they are so afraid any changes to Eve that are not directly related to blowing $hit up, are harmful to their niche game. Who knows, they may be right. An economy that shifts away from combat and towards other forms of trade such as casinos, virtual clothes, etc may eliminate any need to travel outside of HighSec. Everyone already knows my opinion on that matter so there is no need to rub it in further. |
Ai Shun
400
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Posted - 2012.03.21 07:16:00 -
[3990] - Quote
Alyssa Cristole wrote:Sorry hun, if you truly think an undivided Low/Null - HighSec player basis is possible you are more of a idealist then I am.
I guess I am. I see that we're all players in the same game; some with desires to live in higher security areas and others seeking to carve out independent kingdoms. But we're all playing - essentially - the same game with the same mechanics and so forth.
Alyssa Cristole wrote:My basis for the statement is based on reading hundreds of forum posts doing research before I decided to come play Eve. The player basis is as divided as Israel and Palestine.
Yeah, mighty fine example. But this type of thing is kept alive by players - all you need is to change your mind about it.
Wouldn't it be better to get support from more players of the game for WiS rather than trying to pitch it as high-sec? Wouldn't it be better for the game overall if content was approached across the game, not per security rating? Wouldn't we see a better CSM?
I changed my mind about it. You could do the same. Or not.
Edit: And lazy was exactly the word I was looking for. If you can't look beyond security rating / skin colour / weight / nasal hair and see a person; you're being lazy in your thinking and assessment of them. |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
331
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Posted - 2012.03.21 07:31:00 -
[3991] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote: If you can't look beyond security rating / skin colour / weight / nasal hair and see a person; you're being lazy in your thinking and assessment of them.
To be fair, there's many posters on these forums who give no indication in their posts that they'd pass a Turing Test, so its easy to assume there isn't that person behind them at all. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Rukia Taika
Allied Operations Jokers Wild.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.21 07:34:00 -
[3992] - Quote
Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there.
Yea may be 4000 toons but i highly doubt it actual people are 4000. Your alliance is well known for having ALT toons coming out ones butt |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
343
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Posted - 2012.03.21 07:55:00 -
[3993] - Quote
Alyssa Cristole wrote:(...)
The real problem with Null/Low Sec folks is they are so afraid any changes to Eve that are not directly related to blowing $hit up, are harmful to their niche game. Who knows, they may be right. An economy that shifts away from combat and towards other forms of trade such as casinos, virtual clothes, etc may eliminate any need to travel outside of HighSec. Everyone already knows my opinion on that matter so there is no need to rub it in further.
+1 to that.
Nullsec and their verbose spoke-alts are against anyone getting any gameplay outside of what suits to their interests. All in all, what's the fun with being king of the hill when nobody cares about the hill?
The point is that they are right in a way... nullsec is not going to draw any more players. For starters, it is "proudly" owned by alien organizations, and anyone starting a career by merely joining EVE is gonna find sooner or later that the real big guys don't hire their members within EVE, but elsewhere. So, IF (and that's one big IF) EVE gets to grow beyond stagnation, it will grow in a different direction, away from those nullsec alien organizations, and the more it grows, the less relevant will become nullsec.
So all of the nullsec CSMr's policy goes like:
More, better mining? No way, rather let's remove ABC minerals from wormholes! More, better FW? Quite, but only if it serves as a testing ground for sovereignty! In stations gameplay? No way, Incarna almost killed the game, yada yada! Social gameplay? No way, this game is not about meeting people & doing stuff along with them! EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Ai Shun
400
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Posted - 2012.03.21 08:53:00 -
[3994] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Alyssa Cristole wrote:(...)
The real problem with Null/Low Sec folks is they are so afraid any changes to Eve that are not directly related to blowing $hit up, are harmful to their niche game. Who knows, they may be right. An economy that shifts away from combat and towards other forms of trade such as casinos, virtual clothes, etc may eliminate any need to travel outside of HighSec. Everyone already knows my opinion on that matter so there is no need to rub it in further. +1 to that. Nullsec and their verbose spoke-alts are against anyone getting any gameplay outside of what suits to their interests. All in all, what's the fun with being king of the hill when nobody cares about the hill? The point is that they are right in a way... nullsec is not going to draw any more players. For starters, it is "proudly" owned by alien organizations, and anyone starting a career by merely joining EVE is gonna find sooner or later that the real big guys don't hire their members within EVE, but elsewhere. So, IF (and that's one big IF) EVE gets to grow beyond stagnation, it will grow in a different direction, away from those nullsec alien organizations, and the more it grows, the less relevant will become nullsec. So all of the nullsec CSMr's policy goes like: More, better mining? No way, rather let's remove ABC minerals from wormholes! More, better FW? Quite, but only if it serves as a testing ground for sovereignty! In stations gameplay? No way, Incarna almost killed the game, yada yada! Social gameplay? No way, this game is not about meeting people & doing stuff along with them!
So divisive. Perpetuating this dislike, creating more and more divides between players. You are no better than what you imagine the average null sec resident is like.
And although you, like I, support WiS I can say now with utter honesty - you and what you represent with that type of dislike of other players disgust me.
I have read enough of your paranoid, tinfoil hat posts where you simply heap dislike and hatred on everybody that does not play the way you want them to play.
Enough. |
Malcom Vincent
5
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Posted - 2012.03.21 09:18:00 -
[3995] - Quote
Speaking of WiS; Raph Koster recently wrote an excellent piece that I picked up and shook about on EVE Stratics.
If CCP considers in-station environment with rentable shop spaces they should at least read it. EVE Stratics! Managing Editor Interviews, Guides, Reviews and more! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
345
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:08:00 -
[3996] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Alyssa Cristole wrote:(...)
The real problem with Null/Low Sec folks is they are so afraid any changes to Eve that are not directly related to blowing $hit up, are harmful to their niche game. Who knows, they may be right. An economy that shifts away from combat and towards other forms of trade such as casinos, virtual clothes, etc may eliminate any need to travel outside of HighSec. Everyone already knows my opinion on that matter so there is no need to rub it in further. +1 to that. Nullsec and their verbose spoke-alts are against anyone getting any gameplay outside of what suits to their interests. All in all, what's the fun with being king of the hill when nobody cares about the hill? The point is that they are right in a way... nullsec is not going to draw any more players. For starters, it is "proudly" owned by alien organizations, and anyone starting a career by merely joining EVE is gonna find sooner or later that the real big guys don't hire their members within EVE, but elsewhere. So, IF (and that's one big IF) EVE gets to grow beyond stagnation, it will grow in a different direction, away from those nullsec alien organizations, and the more it grows, the less relevant will become nullsec. So all of the nullsec CSMr's policy goes like: More, better mining? No way, rather let's remove ABC minerals from wormholes! More, better FW? Quite, but only if it serves as a testing ground for sovereignty! In stations gameplay? No way, Incarna almost killed the game, yada yada! Social gameplay? No way, this game is not about meeting people & doing stuff along with them! So divisive. Perpetuating this dislike, creating more and more divides between players. You are no better than what you imagine the average null sec resident is like. And although you, like I, support WiS I can say now with utter honesty - you and what you represent with that type of dislike of other players disgust me. I have read enough of your paranoid, tinfoil hat posts where you simply heap dislike and hatred on everybody that does not play the way you want them to play. Enough.
I am not telling anyone how to play. I am not playing at all and the futile efforts to please nullsec stand in the way of everyone else getting gameplay... including me.
I as a player belong to several niches, and all share in common that CCP has ignored them for years and keeps ignoring them. I play solo - out of luck. I mine - out of luck. I play casual - out of luck. I LOVED the idea of WiS - out of luck. I would like to give it back to griefers - out of luck. I would like that hisec had endgame content - out of luck.
So I stopped paying for this game and will leave it in late april. That's not a decission, but a statement, as the chances that i get somehing to do with this game aside of piling skills are near to null. Crucible did nothing for me, so more Crucible = more nothingness.
All in all, i pay for playing games, not for them looking pretee. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1300
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:52:00 -
[3997] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote: So divisive. Perpetuating this dislike, creating more and more divides between players. You are no better than what you imagine the average null sec resident is like
And although you, like I, support WiS I can say now with utter honesty - you and what you represent with that type of dislike of other players disgust me
I have read enough of your paranoid, tinfoil hat posts where you simply heap dislike and hatred on everybody that does not play the way you want them to play
Enough.
Same thing can be said about you and your posted reply. Talk about creating more and more divides between players. You are definitely no better than anybody else, especially the players you condemn.
You posted a reply containing vengeful sarcastic insults basically showing your contempt and disdain towards another who doesn't share your viewpoint. Not to mention it portrays you as a sanctimonious self righteous smug hypocrite.
But hey, we're all guilty of doing that from time to time. Some players just feel the need to do it more often than others. |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:55:00 -
[3998] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:[quote=oldbutfeelingyoung]He always stated that meaningful gameplay was needed He even put in some ideas into this thread
But he thinks that we only want to Emote others,where this comes from i don,t know [/quote
There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize
So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off)
But I could be wrong.
I resisted playing Eve for many years because I'd see my husband playing it and thought it was a dull shooter game in space. I do believe that the WiS element helped me to engage with the game in the beginning. I spent many hours when I first subscribed with the character generator playing with my 'Space Barbie'. I still take her out sometimes to do her makeup. So sue me
That said, in my opinion WIS would be totally and utterly pointless without the ability to kill, sabotage or directly **** with other players.
Some ideas that I might like to see in the not so distant future (just thinking out loud)
Shooting other players in station. The sec status of the system and your skill levels determine whether you kill the other player before concord shoots you. Field surgery to extract and repair implants from the player you or someone else assassinated. Meet someone in a bar and spike their drinks. Poison them, alter their ability to pilot, or prevent them from doing harm to other players. Again your skill levels influence how long it takes and therefore how likely they are to detect what you did. Hack into their hangar and steal or sabotage their items/ships.
Of course the converse should also be true: you should be able to help other players in some ways like speeding their research orders or whatever.
But if it's just going to be avatars sitting in a bar then there is no point. So yes to WiS but only if you can do something meaningful. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:34:00 -
[3999] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Alyssa Cristole wrote:(...)
The real problem with Null/Low Sec folks is they are so afraid any changes to Eve that are not directly related to blowing $hit up, are harmful to their niche game. Who knows, they may be right. An economy that shifts away from combat and towards other forms of trade such as casinos, virtual clothes, etc may eliminate any need to travel outside of HighSec. Everyone already knows my opinion on that matter so there is no need to rub it in further. +1 to that. Nullsec and their verbose spoke-alts are against anyone getting any gameplay outside of what suits to their interests. All in all, what's the fun with being king of the hill when nobody cares about the hill? The point is that they are right in a way... nullsec is not going to draw any more players. For starters, it is "proudly" owned by alien organizations, and anyone starting a career by merely joining EVE is gonna find sooner or later that the real big guys don't hire their members within EVE, but elsewhere. So, IF (and that's one big IF) EVE gets to grow beyond stagnation, it will grow in a different direction, away from those nullsec alien organizations, and the more it grows, the less relevant will become nullsec. So all of the nullsec CSMr's policy goes like: More, better mining? No way, rather let's remove ABC minerals from wormholes! More, better FW? Quite, but only if it serves as a testing ground for sovereignty! In stations gameplay? No way, Incarna almost killed the game, yada yada! Social gameplay? No way, this game is not about meeting people & doing stuff along with them! So divisive. Perpetuating this dislike, creating more and more divides between players. You are no better than what you imagine the average null sec resident is like. And although you, like I, support WiS I can say now with utter honesty - you and what you represent with that type of dislike of other players disgust me. I have read enough of your paranoid, tinfoil hat posts where you simply heap dislike and hatred on everybody that does not play the way you want them to play. Enough. I am not telling anyone how to play. I am not playing at all and the futile efforts to please nullsec stand in the way of everyone else getting gameplay... including me. I as a player belong to several niches, and all share in common that CCP has ignored them for years and keeps ignoring them. I play solo - out of luck. I mine - out of luck. I play casual - out of luck. I LOVED the idea of WiS - out of luck. I would like to give it back to griefers - out of luck. I would like that hisec had endgame content - out of luck. So I stopped paying for this game and will leave it in late april. That's not a decission, but a statement, as the chances that i get somehing to do with this game aside of piling skills are near to null. Crucible did nothing for me, so more Crucible = more nothingness. All in all, i pay for playing games, not for them looking pretee.
First and foremost, indahamar fatsowhiney is a emote loving freak deviant, who suggested a /dance minigame and elaborated on the complexity of said minigame under current 1 second server lag conditions. secondly, indahamar fatsowhiney is just bad at eve online as in he fails at the most basic level, finding out what he wants to do then proceeding to do that while having fun. and every third post he has to tell everybody that he is leaving.
his issues like casual/solo play, would remain even if he returned to WOW, ever heard of raiding? there are miners, who get ganked, write it off as operating costs, and enjoy higher profits as prices spike. there is no endgame in eve, but common endgame for hisec are incursions (super shiney ships), high rolling market speculator, maxed-out lvl4 missioning giving it back to the griefers? lol you? he keeps on crying about nullsec, while you don't even want to be there. So according to your own facts, the majority of players, who are in hisec, are all morons cus none of them are having any fun right? you don't want gameplay, you want this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywf-tCPBr30&feature=related, and that is not acceptability in eve online. why don't you join Issler's corp/alliance, you said you like to mine they seem to be doing lots of mining. make some corp friends, chit chat, learn a few things. nothing disgusts me more than people like you, in your solo vanity lolcorp, spewing foul pus from your every sore orifice, blaming everything but yourself. eve is over for you before you even got started, pathetic. how do you think anything's going to be different with wis if you continue your ways.
go play the next korean grindfest, clench up them cheeks, hands at your hips and walk out on your toes lispy as you proceed to gtfo
wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Dhakgar
Next Gen Technology Next Generation Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:39:00 -
[4000] - Quote
Abandon WiS or put it on extreme backburner.
EVE is a spaceship game, capsuleers don't normally -walk around- |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:41:00 -
[4001] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote: So divisive. Perpetuating this dislike, creating more and more divides between players. You are no better than what you imagine the average null sec resident is like
And although you, like I, support WiS I can say now with utter honesty - you and what you represent with that type of dislike of other players disgust me
I have read enough of your paranoid, tinfoil hat posts where you simply heap dislike and hatred on everybody that does not play the way you want them to play
Enough.
Same thing can be said about you and your posted reply. Talk about creating more and more divides between players. You are definitely no better than anybody else, especially the players you condemn. You posted a reply containing vengeful sarcastic insults basically showing your contempt and disdain towards another who doesn't share your viewpoint. Not to mention it portrays you as a sanctimonious self righteous smug hypocrite. But hey, we're all guilty of doing that from time to time. Some players just feel the need to do it more often than others.
hey, you said you play mostly solo right? are you having any fun? is this game worth your time effort and money? i would guess the answer to all of the above would be, yes.
some viewpoints are worthless and therefore liable to my rebukes. wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
968
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:38:00 -
[4002] - Quote
Dhakgar wrote:Abandon WiS or put it on extreme backburner.
EVE is a spaceship game, capsuleers don't normally -walk around-
Only because they can't walk around. If you give them the means to walk around they will.
Next stupid comment?
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
The Hamilton
Definitive Exploration and Excavations The Watchmen.
8
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Posted - 2012.03.21 17:18:00 -
[4003] - Quote
Dhakgar wrote:Abandon WiS or put it on extreme backburner.
EVE is a spaceship game, capsuleers don't normally -walk around-
Your statement implies they do some walking around.
Dhakgar wrote:Abandon WiS or put it on extreme backburner.
EVE is a spaceship game, capsuleers don't walk around
This is your new opinion. I hope you like it.
Also it is on the "extreme backburner", hence Crucible silly. Thanks for adding nothing to a topic.
Now on with my much better and cooler opinion. WiS needs to be implemented to compete against future games. SWTOR has swooped in and taken MANY of the players EVE could have had. Also, before you complain that we don't need them well without new players people will only quit until there is one sad lonely man who owns all of nullsec and can't sell a Titan for 0.1 isk. We shouldn't be so picky about who our new players are. We still need them and we all flew those dreadful newbie frigs at some point. Besides once they start playing, you can show them the full extent of the warp to and shoot gameplay. But to convince them to even try, there needs to be a stronger connection with the character the player is being and the player themselves. This is helped by an avatar, which is why we even bother to make them in the first place. Without this EVE would never have grown as much as it has. To help solidify this connection with the avatar, players desire at least a small amount of interaction with them, let me introduce CQ. So the next step is giving a small amount of gameplay these new players can do with their avatar, while combining it with the requirement that they learn to fly a spaceship. At this point you don't even NEED tutorials, player desire to interact with their sci-fi avatar will be a big enough drive for them to climb that learning cliff.
I like EVE. But I'd also like it to be a bit bigger. |
bornaa
GRiD.
124
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:35:00 -
[4004] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:bornaa wrote:I hate when i click quote and not edit. Then click back / cancel next time instead of post.
I didn't see that i clicked the wrong button and didn't see small "quote" text in text of post so i made change and hit post. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
68
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:52:00 -
[4005] - Quote
WiS is one thing I would really like to see.
However I do understand the amount of work and load on the severs this would cost.
Just imagine a station environment in Jita in which potentially everyone docked in station could be walking around in the same virtual environment. that could be over 2000 players. that is a huge sever load. to make it work they would have to limit the number of players that could dock at a given station or at least limit the number of players that could access the public area's at any given time. there are many work arounds for this, adding levels/floors each being there own zone, Moving WiS graphics client side(which opens the doors to client side moding) etc.
In the short term though it would be a nice addition to WiS if you could visit other station guests in there personal captains quarters.
What is the point of being able to walk around a room in an MMO as your avatar if you can not interact with anyone.
I am thinking you could right click on the persons name in the station guests list and select visit quarters. The person you are requesting to visit then gets a pop up asking if they accept you into their quarters. If yes, then you are both loaded into their personal quarters. there can be a set limit as to how many visitors you can have at a given time, and possibly a menu where you can set preferences as to who you allow to visit by Corp/alliance/standings etc. Anyone not meeting these requirements would be auto rejected to prevent grieving by repeatedly sending unwanted visit requests.
This could later be expanded to additional rooms available to corps/alliances with offices in the station. Like a conference room for corp alliance meetings. private rooms for EVE hold'em poker or other games, etc. There are endless possibilities before moving to a full public area where anyone/everyone walking around in a station would see everyone else. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:40:00 -
[4006] - Quote
I see that more and more people are coming to their senses and starting to realize that EVE is suffering every minute that its without WiS and avatar gameplay. |
Jita Alt666
954
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:45:00 -
[4007] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:I see that more and more people are coming to their senses and starting to realize that EVE is suffering every minute that its without WiS and avatar gameplay.
See that more and more people are happy that CCP have addressed a number of traditional Eve concerns and appear to set on addressing even more. This positivism allows people to look at what possibilities might be in the future.
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Caellan Traverse
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:07:00 -
[4008] - Quote
As long as the focus stays on ships and space, I see no reason why people are saying 'no' to WiS. Even if it is purely an optional social hub, I would love to be able to walk on space stations.
Whether that's standing near the docks, looking out a large window into space, watching other players docking their ships or setting off, seeing the galaxy pass by. Or heading to a Mass Effect style nightclub with friends just for giggles. I think there's a lot more to space than JUST space. I'd love to get a greater sense of each race's culture through their stations, and perhaps eventually, their planets.
I'm also not ashamed to admit that it's the avatar system that finally convinced me to give EVE a go. I can't wait to see how WiS evolves in future expansions, but I do also believe that the spaceships should remain the core experience. I don't ever want to see a gun in my avatar's hands for example. Clearly that's what DUST is for, so I think the devs are on the same page there. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
971
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:18:00 -
[4009] - Quote
I well remember all the whine in this forum (well the old forum, actually) when the pleasure hubs were demolished. A pleasure hub in name only. It looked like the same stupid docking bay as all the other stations.
Now there is the possibility of having an actual one with real dancers, booze and gambling and many of these same people are whining that they don't want it.
Seriously?
I just don't get it.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:20:00 -
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Severian Carnifex wrote:You... you... I hate you. I now have that on my living room TV looping...
Whoever made this deserves an Oscar!!! |
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Severian Carnifex
112
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:58:00 -
[4011] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:I well remember all the whine in this forum (well the old forum, actually) when the pleasure hubs were demolished. A pleasure hub in name only. It looked like the same stupid docking bay as all the other stations. Now there is the possibility of having an actual one with real dancers, booze and gambling and many of these same people are whining that they don't want it. Seriously? I just don't get it. Mr Epeen
That's only the proof that some people are against every change, against everything, against everyone and made for nothing but complaining about everything. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1301
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Posted - 2012.03.22 00:08:00 -
[4012] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:
hey, you said you play mostly solo right? are you having any fun? is this game worth your time effort and money? i would guess the answer to all of the above would be, yes.
some viewpoints are worthless and therefore liable to my rebukes.
How I play the game is none of your business.
Most of your replies in this thread are worthless angry troll posts intended to insult players who don't share your viewpoint and will be reported as such. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.22 03:07:00 -
[4013] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:
hey, you said you play mostly solo right? are you having any fun? is this game worth your time effort and money? i would guess the answer to all of the above would be, yes.
some viewpoints are worthless and therefore liable to my rebukes.
How I play the game is none of your business. Most of your replies in this thread are worthless angry troll posts intended to insult players who don't share your viewpoint and will be reported as such. come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance. wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1301
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Posted - 2012.03.22 06:47:00 -
[4014] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.
Please post proof to support your accusation.
I have never advocated Avatar emote / dancing in this or any other thread. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
347
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Posted - 2012.03.22 07:50:00 -
[4015] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.
Please post proof to support your accusation. I have never advocated Avatar emote / dancing in this or any other thread.
Must be noted that neither did I. Whenever I've talked about the ability to dance with other avatars as part of social gameplay, I've been thinking of something new and (as far as I know) never attempted before, akin to syncronized maneuvering and not merely triggering silly animations like in >insert random *** clone or the unspeakable itself<
And BTW, I am insisting with social gameplay as it's the easier to get and yields the maximum gaming per developing. It could be done from inside the CQ, at the lowest level.
Fly with people, talk with people... we already do that. Just with a clumsy unappealing chat interface and from a 3D view of a mannequin alone in a showroom. That's easy to improve. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.22 09:11:00 -
[4016] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.
Please post proof to support your accusation. I have never advocated Avatar emote / dancing in this or any other thread. you do condone it though, as you are always so quick to defend those i rebuke. wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
bornaa
GRiD.
131
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Posted - 2012.03.22 12:09:00 -
[4017] - Quote
bornaa is waiting for good news from FanFest. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1301
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Posted - 2012.03.22 12:51:00 -
[4018] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.
Please post proof to support your accusation. I have never advocated Avatar emote / dancing in this or any other thread. you do condone it though, as you are always so quick to defend those i rebuke.
Heh, stop trying to put the 'spotlight' on me all the time.
www.thefreedictionary.com/condone con-+done (k n-d n ). tr.v. con-+doned, con-+don-+ing, con-+dones. To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure.
Going with that definition of 'Condone', yeah I guess you could say that.
WTF does it matter to you anyway?
It's just another aspect that could be added to the game in which some players may participate. If it is added to the game, doesn't mean you or I have to do it.
So what if CCP has the Avatars do emotes. If some players wanna do emotes, good for them. If CCP does make it happen, I wouldn't mind my Avatar being able to do the 'Middle Finger Salute' or 'Flip The Bird' to various specific players (hint hint) every time I see them.
www.thefreedictionary.com/rebuke tr.v. re-+buked, re-+buk-+ing, re-+bukes. 1. To criticize or reprove sharply; reprimand. See Synonyms at admonish. 2. To check or repress. n. A sharp reproof.
Anyway, you thinking I'm defending those players is incorrect. This thread has been trolled for so long by a select few that whenever an opportunity presents itself, that's the time to 'rebuke the rebuking'. |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
0
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Posted - 2012.03.22 17:15:00 -
[4019] - Quote
I want to walk around outside the station and be able to jump off into space like in the rooks and kings vid so bad... more interior dwellings would be nice also...
Also display corporation advertisements on the screen in CQ give it some flavor, more news ect. |
Allerum Larson
Sturm Reich Sturmgrenadier Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.03.22 17:39:00 -
[4020] - Quote
EvE has the best space game out there. But I agree with the points that EvE needs to expand into a more personal presentation and subscribers will flow in like ******* addicts.
SWG had social ships were you could invite 30-40 people in ship and was completely customizable insides with anything you found planet side via short commands like [move up 100, move back 200] and things would hang on the walls. Making luxury yachts only for high sec space, to create social gathering for Corps will be an easier step in the meantime before WiS.
With Dust514 coming if they take current ships have physical interior you could have the PS3 players load up and be ejected out near the planet and then render on the PS3 a loading screen of Atmosphere entry. But while in the ship you could talk to the Marines or whatever they will be. This is a giant scope of awesomeness that is possible but CCP needs to expand its devs.
SWG proved people would be interesting in hanging out in cantina's and socializing. If EvE gets to a point where you can almost live a Sci-Fi novel in-game it would be amazing and hands down the most awesome game ever. People will fill all the roles needed to have a breathing society with people standing in vendors and selling things, people stealing from other avatars. Combat could then be taken back to space to settle the scores. People dancing in clubs, drinking not sure if CCP would want to go here but brothels would unfortunately also be popular with the weird people, but that might be too much lol.
MIners could gather and make up stories about where they found there latest ore find. People would get Han Solo and make up ship races etc.
The more CCP can deepen the experience into a complete virtual world the more people you will get. Even in its current state space combat is the best around, it can only be improved. I think CCP could take donations for a seperate WiS team and people would be willing to pay a little bit to get both sides of the game developed equally. |
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Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.22 18:54:00 -
[4021] - Quote
Is the voting still on? I would appreciate full WIS, but it would need to a. not try to grill my mainboard b. have some meaningfull content.
Whereas meaningfull for me would be something as simple as a poker table (perhaps like PKR) - just a way to interact with other avatars. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1293
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Posted - 2012.03.22 19:13:00 -
[4022] - Quote
Romar Agent wrote:Is the voting still on? I would appreciate full WIS, but it would need to a. not try to grill my mainboard b. have some meaningfull content.
Whereas meaningfull for me would be something as simple as a poker table (perhaps like PKR) - just a way to interact with other avatars.
Voting ended, waiting for the results.
I would definitely also be happy to see something small to start.
Issler |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
2
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Posted - 2012.03.22 23:59:00 -
[4023] - Quote
mkint wrote:You know, if all you barbie rookies were to post in the same threads rather than make a 1-off post in a 1-off thread, you'd look more like an involved part of EVE that has some understanding about the realities of EVE and it's future. All these anti-WIS posters could be completely outnumbered by the barbie-ites, but it won't look that way because the barbie-ites never post in eachothers' threads. All the thread is 1 pro barbie, and dozens of anti-barbie. And over and over and over, because you people spam the same goddamned thread over and over again.
+1 for WIS. add my support for improving and expanding every aspect of gameplay equally aswell. Massive multiplayers should never stop expanding we are paying monthly to play after all. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1994
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:38:00 -
[4024] - Quote
Mathias Hex wrote:Massive multiplayers should never stop expanding we are paying monthly to play after all.
See the Crucible patch notes for how the game has been expanding without having to add dance emotes.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ai Shun
408
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Posted - 2012.03.23 01:00:00 -
[4025] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:How I play the game is none of your business.
Most of your replies in this thread are worthless angry troll posts intended to insult players who don't share your viewpoint and will be reported as such.
And what is his viewpoint? That he doesn't want to see WiS unless it contains meaningful gameplay for everyone. How can you disagree with that? |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.23 02:17:00 -
[4026] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.
Please post proof to support your accusation. I have never advocated Avatar emote / dancing in this or any other thread. you do condone it though, as you are always so quick to defend those i rebuke. Heh, stop trying to put the 'spotlight' on me all the time. www.thefreedictionary.com/condonecon-+done (k n-d n ). tr.v. con-+doned, con-+don-+ing, con-+dones. To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure. Going with that definition of 'Condone', yeah I guess you could say that. WTF does it matter to you anyway? It's just another aspect that could be added to the game in which some players may participate. If it is added to the game, doesn't mean you or I have to do it. So what if CCP has the Avatars do emotes. If some players wanna do emotes, good for them. If CCP does make it happen, I wouldn't mind my Avatar being able to do the 'Middle Finger Salute' or 'Flip The Bird' to various specific players (hint hint) every time I see them. www.thefreedictionary.com/rebuketr.v. re-+buked, re-+buk-+ing, re-+bukes. 1. To criticize or reprove sharply; reprimand. See Synonyms at admonish. 2. To check or repress. n. A sharp reproof. Anyway, you thinking I'm defending those players is incorrect. This thread has been trolled for so long by a select few that whenever an opportunity presents itself, that's the time to 'rebuke the rebuking'. mmm mmmm mmm sassy is how i like em' such impotent rage, emote /flip me the finger is all you want to do, no combat, no loss wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1302
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Posted - 2012.03.23 12:36:00 -
[4027] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.
Please post proof to support your accusation. I have never advocated Avatar emote / dancing in this or any other thread. you do condone it though, as you are always so quick to defend those i rebuke. Heh, stop trying to put the 'spotlight' on me all the time. www.thefreedictionary.com/condoncon-+done (k n-d n ). tr.v. con-+doned, con-+don-+ing, con-+dones. To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure Going with that definition of 'Condone', yeah I guess you could say that. WTF does it matter to you anyway? It's just another aspect that could be added to the game in which some players may participate. If it is added to the game, doesn't mean you or I have to do it. So what if CCP has the Avatars do emotes. If some players wanna do emotes, good for them. If CCP does make it happen, I wouldn't mind my Avatar being able to do the 'Middle Finger Salute' or 'Flip The Bird' to various specific players (hint hint) every time I see them. www.thefreedictionary.com/rebuktr.v. re-+buked, re-+buk-+ing, re-+bukes. 1. To criticize or reprove sharply; reprimand. See Synonyms at admonish. 2. To check or repress. n. A sharp reproof Anyway, you thinking I'm defending those players is incorrect. This thread has been trolled for so long by a select few that whenever an opportunity presents itself, that's the time to 'rebuke the rebuking'. mmm mmmm mmm sassy is how i like em' such impotent rage, emote /flip me the finger is all you want to do, no combat, no loss
Wrong, it's not 'Impotent Rage', more like 'Righteous Indignation'.
Anyway, right after the 'Salute', my team of Avatar Attack Alts (AAA) would quickly dispense some non-consensual PvP action on those various specific players.
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DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
271
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:25:00 -
[4028] - Quote
I wish this post would **** off, it's been on the front page for too long now. I will give a Dev loads of space money to lock this thread. Damn nature, you scary! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1302
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:35:00 -
[4029] - Quote
DelBoy Trades wrote:I wish this post would **** off, it's been on the front page for too long now. I will give a Dev loads of space money to lock this thread. I would give the Dev's loads of REAL money to lock you out of this thread.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:49:00 -
[4030] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wrong, it's not 'Impotent Rage', more like 'Righteous Indignation'. Anyway, right after the 'Salute', my team of Avatar Attack Alts (AAA) would quickly dispense some non-consensual PvP action on those various specific players.
oh jesus christ stfu you stupid lisper, didn't you get all "righteously indignant", calling me a vindictive bastard, because i suggested that there might be some non-consensual pvp action going on in the stations, and just for you i suggested a little idea called the 10mil isk "walking clones" that would be significantly cheaper than spaceship clones? oh yeah, that was before you got all homophobic and had your posts deleted amirite?
suddenly you realize that there is a thing in eve online called makin' alts? christ. wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:04:00 -
[4031] - Quote
Would you let this thread die? Every time it gets bumped it gets my hopes up, I expect CCP to have finally come to their senses and decided to scrap WiS. It kills me each time I look and this is not the case. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2025
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:14:00 -
[4032] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Would you let this thread die? Every time it gets bumped it gets my hopes up, I expect CCP to have finally come to their senses and decided to scrap WiS. It kills me each time I look and this is not the case.
WiS has been completely ignored at fanfest. That should tell you everything you need to know.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
494
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:15:00 -
[4033] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Would you let this thread die? Every time it gets bumped it gets my hopes up, I expect CCP to have finally come to their senses and decided to scrap WiS. It kills me each time I look and this is not the case.
Then don,t look ,make it easier on yourself and us lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:31:00 -
[4034] - Quote
Now they clarified. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2025
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:32:00 -
[4035] - Quote
Aubrey Addams wrote:Now they clarified.
Eve is a Core Spaceship Game. Great news!
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:48:00 -
[4036] - Quote
So we at least have reposeable character pictures now - better than nothing... |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
228
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:55:00 -
[4037] - Quote
Sleeve tattoos... Yaaaay |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
352
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:58:00 -
[4038] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Sleeve tattoos... Yaaaay
I guess there is a serious rupture between what looks scifey in Reykjavik and what looks scifey elsewhere.
Meanwhile, I would like to have some actual earrings (chandeliers, hoops, studs, drops...) rather than those silly ear piercings. My main has been missing to put on some silvery chandeliers since Incursion...
Necklaces, bracelets and rings are out of question for our 5-dev A-Team... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2050
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Posted - 2012.03.23 22:56:00 -
[4039] - Quote
What the hell is scifey?
Also, thanks again to CCP for clarifying that at its core, Eve is a spaceship game. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1303
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Posted - 2012.03.24 02:12:00 -
[4040] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:What the hell is scifey?
Also, thanks again to CCP for clarifying that at its core, Eve is a spaceship game.
Everyone can plainly see that it means Sci-Fy. Pull your ugly troll head out of your fat-ass and maybe you'd be able to see that.
Bid deal, nobody ever said it wasn't. |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
229
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Posted - 2012.03.24 02:42:00 -
[4041] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:What the hell is scifey?
Also, thanks again to CCP for clarifying that at its core, Eve is a spaceship game.
Wait... You mean all this time you've been hanging around here like the smelly kid on his own at the play ground, you were just waiting for CCP to clarif that EVE is primarily a spaceship game??
I could have told you that months ago... Sort your ******* life out mate. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.24 03:02:00 -
[4042] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Sleeve tattoos... Yaaaay I guess there is a serious rupture between what looks scifey in Reykjavik and what looks scifey elsewhere. Meanwhile, I would like to have some actual earrings (chandeliers, hoops, studs, drops...) rather than those silly ear piercings. My main has been missing to put on some silvery chandeliers since Incursion... Necklaces, bracelets and rings are out of question for our 5-dev A-Team... gtfo wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1303
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Posted - 2012.03.24 03:06:00 -
[4043] - Quote
Please show everyone how it's done by following your own advice. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.24 03:10:00 -
[4044] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Please show everyone how it's done by following your own advice. don't make me block you buddy if all you got is another NO U
now let's discuss the importance of new earrings wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
495
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Posted - 2012.03.24 07:53:00 -
[4045] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:What the hell is scifey?
Also, thanks again to CCP for clarifying that at its core, Eve is a spaceship game. Wait... You mean all this time you've been hanging around here like the smelly kid on his own at the play ground, you were just waiting for CCP to clarif that EVE is primarily a spaceship game?? I could have told you that months ago... Sort your ******* life out mate.
others tried to tell him the same ,spaceships is the most important part of EVE as it should be. That there are people who want WIS as an Expansion doesn,t mean ,they have to abandon spaceships. I missed the keynotes ,but from what i see on the forums ,nothing new is told. working on directions for WIS first , CCP has a hard time making up their mind,but lets be patient ,i guess lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Ai Shun
409
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Posted - 2012.03.24 09:08:00 -
[4046] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:working on directions for WIS first , CCP has a hard time making up their mind,but lets be patient ,i guess
I dunno man. Ambulation has been on the cards for a long time. It's certainly been a topic since I started playing. How much longer do they need? I'd rather they man up and say "No, not going to happen" if that is the case. This whole "Yeah, we're thinking about it - we'll tell you later" thing is starting to get a little bit thin.
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Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
57
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Posted - 2012.03.24 10:02:00 -
[4047] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:working on directions for WIS first , CCP has a hard time making up their mind,but lets be patient ,i guess I dunno man. Ambulation has been on the cards for a long time. It's certainly been a topic since I started playing. How much longer do they need? I'd rather they man up and say " No, not going to happen" if that is the case. This whole " Yeah, we're thinking about it - we'll tell you later" thing is starting to get a little bit thin.
I'm with you on that, but from what I've gathered from fanfest, they most certainly are aware of the current 'problem' with WiS, but they want to focus on one thing at a time and right now they're focus is on spaceships. Whiie I'm personally a big proponent for WiS, I would much rather they focus on one thing at a time and get that one thing done right then move onto something new. And right now the thing that needs that attention is space and I can live with that.
I think Ambulation is definitely going to happen one day. One of the devs dropped the line "we don't want to be a one trick pony" today when was talking about the current WiS/character creator or something. I forget what exactly, but in context it makes total sense lol. If I had to put the core of what he said into my own words, it would be something like "We love spaceships. That's what is most important to us right now. We'll have to have more than that one day if we want to continue to grow." And obviously the 'more than that' in that sentence is DUST, WiS, etc.
So I believe CCP when they say it's still in the works. All I have to say, to all my fellow WiS fans, is to be patient. CCP clearly stated it's not in the cards for this year and we just have to accept it and move on.
...if they put it off next year too then we can start raising some hell around here lol
And to all the haters sippin' on that haterade; call me a barbie-ite, make fun of emotes, say whatever you want. In the future, when I'm slash dancing in a Caldari night club we'll see whose laughing...
It'll probably still be you to be honest, but I won't give an eff because I'll have dance emotes and you know what? That'll be okay...okay indeed.
/salute CCP! Open the door!!! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 13:01:00 -
[4048] - Quote
Baby ChuChu wrote:Ai Shun wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:working on directions for WIS first , CCP has a hard time making up their mind,but lets be patient ,i guess I dunno man. Ambulation has been on the cards for a long time. It's certainly been a topic since I started playing. How much longer do they need? I'd rather they man up and say " No, not going to happen" if that is the case. This whole " Yeah, we're thinking about it - we'll tell you later" thing is starting to get a little bit thin. I'm with you on that, but from what I've gathered from fanfest, they most certainly are aware of the current 'problem' with WiS, but they want to focus on one thing at a time and right now they're focus is on spaceships. Whiie I'm personally a big proponent for WiS, I would much rather they focus on one thing at a time and get that one thing done right then move onto something new. And right now the thing that needs that attention is space and I can live with that. I think Ambulation is definitely going to happen one day. One of the devs dropped the line "we don't want to be a one trick pony" today when was talking about the current WiS/character creator or something. I forget what exactly, but in context it makes total sense lol. If I had to put the core of what he said into my own words, it would be something like "We love spaceships. That's what is most important to us right now. We'll have to have more than that one day if we want to continue to grow." And obviously the 'more than that' in that sentence is DUST, WiS, etc. So I believe CCP when they say it's still in the works. All I have to say, to all my fellow WiS fans, is to be patient. CCP clearly stated it's not in the cards for this year and we just have to accept it and move on. ...if they put it off next year too then we can start raising some hell around here lol And to all the haters sippin' on that haterade; call me a barbie-ite, make fun of emotes, say whatever you want. In the future, when I'm slash dancing in a Caldari night club we'll see whose laughing... It'll probably still be you to be honest, but I won't give an eff because I'll have dance emotes and you know what? That'll be okay...okay indeed. /salute
+1 but i don,t think i will dance much
lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 13:04:00 -
[4049] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:working on directions for WIS first , CCP has a hard time making up their mind,but lets be patient ,i guess I dunno man. Ambulation has been on the cards for a long time. It's certainly been a topic since I started playing. How much longer do they need? I'd rather they man up and say " No, not going to happen" if that is the case. This whole " Yeah, we're thinking about it - we'll tell you later" thing is starting to get a little bit thin.
I am not leaving this game if WIS would be canceled or shoot at statues like some raging moron. CCP is the only one that can tell ,if they think WIS will be possible in the future But i hope they can do some work on CQ and get me an outside view of the station on that underused big screen. lets quit about emoting lets meet in station ,one day, i promise i don,t use some sort of emote command-á |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
199
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Posted - 2012.03.24 13:16:00 -
[4050] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Would you let this thread die? Every time it gets bumped it gets my hopes up, I expect CCP to have finally come to their senses and decided to scrap WiS. It kills me each time I look and this is not the case. WiS has been completely ignored at fanfest. That should tell you everything you need to know. You must seen another EVE Keynote than me .
Yes, there was nothing new about WiS for this year, which was to be expected. Yes, they said that they are committed to space ships. But they also stated that they are still committed to their future vision which they want to do. They also said that they will work more "on the side" for any content for WiS and don't stop working for space ships for this. They are developing solid core gameplay for WiS and seem to have understood a lot of things that was said by the WiS opposition in this thread.
I would say that is a very good plan and in no way suggests that those things are shelved in any way. WiS is coming, not this year and not as fast as they intended at first, but it will come eventualy.
Be prepared to shoot at your beloved monument again next year, I would suggest . |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 13:30:00 -
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I am afraid that WIS is indeed on a big backburner like Mister mittens tool Harlot thinks I love the fact that Karkur is putting in some extra hours in to other little things,maybe in her own time But you don,t do that, if you as a team are committed to a goal. i am afraid that i have to give Ai Shun a +1 to her latest post pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2066
|
Posted - 2012.03.24 13:41:00 -
[4052] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:What the hell is scifey?
Also, thanks again to CCP for clarifying that at its core, Eve is a spaceship game. Wait... You mean all this time you've been hanging around here like the smelly kid on his own at the play ground, you were just waiting for CCP to clarif that EVE is primarily a spaceship game?? I could have told you that months ago... Sort your ******* life out mate.
I have always known Eve is spaceships. The author of this thread and her sockpuppets need to be reminded of it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 13:59:00 -
[4053] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:What the hell is scifey?
Also, thanks again to CCP for clarifying that at its core, Eve is a spaceship game. Wait... You mean all this time you've been hanging around here like the smelly kid on his own at the play ground, you were just waiting for CCP to clarif that EVE is primarily a spaceship game?? I could have told you that months ago... Sort your ******* life out mate. I have always known Eve is spaceships. The author of this thread and her sockpuppets need to be reminded of it.
repeating yourself again Mister Mi... Harlot? Everybody in this thread didn,t need a reminder ,bc they already knew that. What are you afraid of mister Harlot ? that your can,t deliver to your little trollproject and mister Mittens isn,t pleased with you? You are so talking the same as your sad leader,that i beginning to think ,that you are one and the same
you forget the fact ,CCP is still working on WOD ,the tech is there ,so why not use it for our benefit WOD will be marketed at FF if i remember the FF schedule right. So don,t flame us ,flame CCP for it. pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2066
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Posted - 2012.03.24 14:21:00 -
[4054] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: repeating yourself again Mister Mi... Harlot? Everybody in this thread didn,t need a reminder ,bc they already knew that. What are you afraid of mister Harlot ? that your can,t deliver to your little trollproject and mister Mittens isn,t pleased with you? You are so talking the same as your sad leader,that i beginning to think ,that you are one and the same
you forget the fact ,CCP is still working on WOD ,the tech is there ,so why not use it for our benefit WOD will be marketed at FF if i remember the FF schedule right. So don,t flame us ,flame CCP for it.
If somebody can translate this into English I'd be happy to respond.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.03.24 14:34:00 -
[4055] - Quote
Crap...
I opened this thread for the first time cause I thought WiS meant Women in Stirrups...
Giddyup.... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:14:00 -
[4056] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: repeating yourself again Mister Mi... Harlot? Everybody in this thread didn,t need a reminder ,bc they already knew that. What are you afraid of mister Harlot ? that your can,t deliver to your little trollproject and mister Mittens isn,t pleased with you? You are so talking the same as your sad leader,that i beginning to think ,that you are one and the same
you forget the fact ,CCP is still working on WOD ,the tech is there ,so why not use it for our benefit WOD will be marketed at FF if i remember the FF schedule right. So don,t flame us ,flame CCP for it.
If somebody can translate this into English I'd be happy to respond.
that is all??? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:19:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:Crap...
I opened this thread for the first time cause I thought WiS meant Women in Stirrups...
Giddyup....
Everybody has his own idea on how WIS should look like ,So this is yours. Maybe CCP will like your little idea and implement something pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2067
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:31:00 -
[4058] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:that is all???
I ask that same question every time I read one of your posts.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:36:00 -
[4059] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:that is all??? I ask that same question every time I read one of your posts.
Lol ,learn to read , i guess, Mister Mi...
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:40:00 -
[4060] - Quote
Looking at a WOD fanfest stream . Wasn,t that the game put on the backburner ,at the same time time WIS was put on the backburner? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:47:00 -
[4061] - Quote
Baby ChuChu I'm with you on that, but from what I've gathered from fanfest, they most certainly are aware of the current 'problem' with WiS, but they want to focus on one thing at a time and right now they're focus is on spaceships. Whiie I'm personally a big proponent for WiS, I would much rather they focus on one thing at a time and get that one thing done right then move onto something new. And right now the thing that [i wrote:needs[/i] that attention is space and I can live with that.
I think Ambulation is definitely going to happen one day. One of the devs dropped the line "we don't want to be a one trick pony" today when was talking about the current WiS/character creator or something. I forget what exactly, but in context it makes total sense lol. If I had to put the core of what he said into my own words, it would be something like "We love spaceships. That's what is most important to us right now. We'll have to have more than that one day if we want to continue to grow." And obviously the 'more than that' in that sentence is DUST, WiS, etc.
So I believe CCP when they say it's still in the works. All I have to say, to all my fellow WiS fans, is to be patient. CCP clearly stated it's not in the cards for this year and we just have to accept it and move on.
...if they put it off next year too then we can start raising some hell around here lol
And to all the haters sippin' on that haterade; call me a barbie-ite, make fun of emotes, say whatever you want. In the future, when I'm slash dancing in a Caldari night club we'll see whose laughing...
It'll probably still be you to be honest, but I won't give an eff because I'll have dance emotes and you know what? That'll be okay...okay indeed.
/salute
out and proud! good for you, wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:57:00 -
[4062] - Quote
edit:
saw some nerdy goons om the fanfest stream,removed my comment about the poor guys pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2072
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:32:00 -
[4063] - Quote
Well now that The Mittani has been reaffirmed as the King of Space hopefully we can put all this WiS nonsense to bed. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:46:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Well now that The Mittani has been reaffirmed as the King of Space hopefully we can put all this WiS nonsense to bed.
So the CSM7 isn,t about a voice for the players ,but making one guy king of EVE space ?
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2072
|
Posted - 2012.03.24 16:49:00 -
[4065] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Well now that The Mittani has been reaffirmed as the King of Space hopefully we can put all this WiS nonsense to bed. So the CSM7 isn,t about a voice for the players ,but making one guy king of EVE space ?
Correct. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:54:00 -
[4066] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Well now that The Mittani has been reaffirmed as the King of Space hopefully we can put all this WiS nonsense to bed. So the CSM7 isn,t about a voice for the players ,but making one guy king of EVE space ? Correct.
Ah says enough. pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1300
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:47:00 -
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We won!!
If anyone watched the CSM panel you see Mittens is just the chair, there is no dictator in the CSM. So we won!! A supporter of ambulation will be a voice in the ear of CSM 7 working to get the door open!!!
Thanks to all of you that supported my efforts!
I am not a big fan of emotes but if I was and there was one for it I'd be dancing a victory dance!
Now lets get that door open!
Issler |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2086
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:53:00 -
[4068] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:We won!!
Grats on winning an alternate spot on a CSM dominated with people who play Eve and don't care about space pants and dance emotes.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ai Shun
410
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:54:00 -
[4069] - Quote
Baby ChuChu wrote:Whiie I'm personally a big proponent for WiS, I would much rather they focus on one thing at a time and get that one thing done right then move onto something new. And right now the thing that needs that attention is space and I can live with that.
Agreed fully; but I wish they'd can World of Darkness and use those people for WiS as a separate, linked game.
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:I am not leaving this game if WIS would be canceled or shoot at statues like some raging moron. CCP is the only one that can tell ,if they think WIS will be possible in the future But i hope they can do some work on CQ and get me an outside view of the station on that underused big screen.
Neither am I. The FiS part, the backstabbing and skullduggery is what attracted me in the first instance, I'd like to know where we stand though so I can either drop the topic and forget about it or continue to anticipate it |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2088
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:57:00 -
[4070] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:I'd like to know where we stand though so I can either drop the topic and forget about it or continue to anticipate it
You can watch the Eve keynote from yesterday where the CEO of CCP and the lead producer say that Eve is a core spaceship game and there will be no more "jesus features" (like WiS).
It couldn't be clearer where we stand.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
354
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:58:00 -
[4071] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:We won!!
If anyone watched the CSM panel you see Mittens is just the chair, there is no dictator in the CSM. So we won!! A supporter of ambulation will be a voice in the ear of CSM 7 working to get the door open!!!
Thanks to all of you that supported my efforts!
I am not a big fan of emotes but if I was and there was one for it I'd be dancing a victory dance!
Now lets get that door open!
Issler
Congratulations, you just made me update my signature! LOL! EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Ai Shun
410
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:01:00 -
[4072] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:You can watch the Eve keynote from yesterday where the CEO of CCP and the lead producer say that Eve is a core spaceship game and there will be no more "jesus features" (like WiS).
Ok - is there somebody who is not a WiS-troll that can confirm this, please? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2088
|
Posted - 2012.03.24 20:05:00 -
[4073] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:You can watch the Eve keynote from yesterday where the CEO of CCP and the lead producer say that Eve is a core spaceship game and there will be no more "jesus features" (like WiS).
Ok - is there somebody who is not a WiS-troll that can confirm this, please?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOIBw5V5WM4&feature=player_detailpage#t=1065s
You don't even have to take my word for it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Dr Prometheus
Gears of Construction Gears Confederation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:07:00 -
[4074] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:You can watch the Eve keynote from yesterday where the CEO of CCP and the lead producer say that Eve is a core spaceship game and there will be no more "jesus features" (like WiS).
Ok - is there somebody who is not a WiS-troll that can confirm this, please?
Not a "jesus" feature but an addition to the game. (Bit like Dust.) And they alread mentioned some stuff to do with your avatar like exploring abandoned (sleeper) structures etc etc. Dude, where is my Charon? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1300
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:11:00 -
[4075] - Quote
Dr Prometheus wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:You can watch the Eve keynote from yesterday where the CEO of CCP and the lead producer say that Eve is a core spaceship game and there will be no more "jesus features" (like WiS).
Ok - is there somebody who is not a WiS-troll that can confirm this, please? Not a "jesus" feature but an addition to the game. (Bit like Dust.) And they alread mentioned some stuff to do with your avatar like exploring abandoned (sleeper) structures etc etc.
I heard it on the live feed, but you could twist that to mean anything. So to say that was saying ambulation is dead is basically crazy talk from a pants obsessed victim of the inability to operate the character creator interface.
They also reran the future of Eve video and said that was still the vision and that was all about ambulation. They wouldn't have started the keynote with that video if ambulation isn't in their vision.
So CCP OPEN THAT DOOR!!
Issler |
Rakan Stenier-Tian
Gladiators Vanguard
0
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:13:00 -
[4076] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:You can watch the Eve keynote from yesterday where the CEO of CCP and the lead producer say that Eve is a core spaceship game and there will be no more "jesus features" (like WiS).
Ok - is there somebody who is not a WiS-troll that can confirm this, please?
Yes and No
Yes he said no more "Jesus features"
No he didn't include WiS . In fact he was actually pretty positive about it .. Though more WiDSS (Walking in Derelict SpaceShips ) than WiS . Still a slow burn and far off though . |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2089
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:14:00 -
[4077] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I heard it on the live feed, but you could twist that to mean anything.
Watch the video I posted and look at the powerpoint slide in the background. It says, very clearly, "This is a game about spaceships".
The only twisting going on is you people trying to keep your dream of turning Eve into Second Life alive.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:20:00 -
[4078] - Quote
At least not all is lost...
Dr Prometheus wrote:Not a "jesus" feature but an addition to the game. (Bit like Dust.) And they alread mentioned some stuff to do with your avatar like exploring abandoned (sleeper) structures etc etc. So do I get to use my Scrambler pistol then? |
Jett0
Team Kitty Choke Slam
87
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:31:00 -
[4079] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:No one is saying spaceships are the heart of Eve
I'm assuming this is a typo. Occasionally plays sober |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1302
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:33:00 -
[4080] - Quote
Jett0 wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:No one is saying spaceships are the heart of Eve I'm assuming this is a typo.
OOPS
It is.
Issler |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1324
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:33:00 -
[4081] - Quote
Just stay active on the forums Issler. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1302
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:34:00 -
[4082] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Just stay active on the forums Issler.
Count on it!
Issler |
Ai Shun
410
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:56:00 -
[4083] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Watch the video I posted and look at the powerpoint slide in the background. It says, very clearly, "This is a game about spaceships".
He also mentions roleplayers, etc. There is a lot of ambiguity. That is not clear enough for me.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2098
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:57:00 -
[4084] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:It would be a stupid bet to say CCP is dropping spaceship development to jump back into WiS, they aren't and shouldn't but nothing at Fanfest indicated ambulation isn't part of the promise of the future of Eve.
That has been their stance since the Summer of Rage. Eve is spaceships and WiS is on the backburner but not canceled.
Are you finally willing to accept that or will we see you insulting more devs for not working on WiS fast enough to suit you? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2098
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:58:00 -
[4085] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Watch the video I posted and look at the powerpoint slide in the background. It says, very clearly, "This is a game about spaceships". He also mentions roleplayers, etc. There is a lot of ambiguity. That is not clear enough for me.
Are you telling me it's impossible to roleplay without a human shaped avatar?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jett0
Team Kitty Choke Slam
87
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:02:00 -
[4086] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Are you telling me it's impossible to roleplay without a human shaped avatar?
Once, I tried "/emote waves at CONCORD with his lazorz." It didn't end well. Occasionally plays sober |
Ai Shun
410
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:46:00 -
[4087] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Are you telling me it's impossible to roleplay without a human shaped avatar?
Of course not. The statements he made are reasonably ambiguous and not as clear cut as you pretend they are. That is all I am saying. Anything else is what you choose to read into it for trolling ammunition.
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Liu Ellens
Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.24 22:06:00 -
[4088] - Quote
...ok, I'm doing the dangerous jump into a nearly 200 pages thread about one of the most heated discussions around lately. But I was one of the about 20 people to sit in the "Avatars and Character Creator" round-table today, so, a few tidbits I can share.
I try to reproduce the things I remember as objective as possible (I'm human, might recite in error):
Team Avatar consists of 5 (?) people, being primarily concentrated on polishing and extending (tatoos, ...) the character creator and recustomization. They are also for prototyping the future of Out-Of-Pod gameplay.
Character Creator / Customization:
- Big decorations (upper torso decals and what not): They were not created because not easy to animate for movement - remember, the whole was meant to have us walking around seeing others
- Military uniforms for FW people: They are considered. Brain-Storming Thought: "Would you like them to buy with LP?", which was greeted with "Yes" from several people.
- Different body heights/extreme dimensions: Like stated last year: In striving for perfection, proper animations (that avoid clipping) were too much to do to include all body types.
- Layering several scars: Was/Is difficult for their bump-maps (or was it height-maps?) - Difficult to overlay
Out-Of-Pod Gameplay:
- CCP has taken two steps back and they are now prototyping on gameplay, using quick prototypes that can be created and thrown away in a matter of days or few weeks. Message: "Instead of creating art as early as possible and see what we can do with it, we first iterate on gameplay ideas and add art later".
- Whatever it will be, it is meant to do or be something 'additional' - not 'instead' of the current experience
- Prototyping is done with the Unity engine
- We were shown a 'playable' prototype of gray boxes running around in similar gray corridors
- Current prominent idea: Be the explorer type, fly to some scanned site, get out of pod and run through corridors of an abandoned station. (Side question: what happens when blown up - Mind transfer? Answer: Think DUST mercenary tech, also available for capsuleers)
- Kicked off into discussion about boarding POS. Question for thoughts was raised: When you allow a capsuleer to mess with the station someone is in - how can (should be) the one in station be able to mess the capsuleer up? (I am most probably not using the same words to recite, but hopefully the idea)
Things regarding 'old' WiS or CQ:
- We were shown an unknown movie demonstrating the modular nature of the created room assets for CQ. Character was running through a corridor/room system showcasing the various combinations giving a unique look. The idea was: The motel rooms we know now were meant to be the 'beginner' ones, others to be bigger/better.
- Upgrading to bigger CQs / personalized CQs (fixed to the station you buy them in) was considered - if still the case, I can't remember.
- Corp establishments: Were put on hold for missing gameplay.
- DUST ready-room and CQ? Nothing related (most probably because of two different engines in use)
The above is hopefully the most accurate what I could reproduce from the one hour (there was more discussed, but stuff besides this thread here). Perhaps another attendee can refine.
Now my personal thoughts and opinions: There will not be anything substantial more than we currently have (creator/CQ) for at least one or even two years - apart from what we've been shown (tatoos, race mixing, ...). Listing my reasons would probably spin the whole back-and-forth once again, so I skip that :) .
I am convinced we will eventually get an out-of-pod experience in what is called by many "the spaceship game". It will take time and it will take small steps to convince the alienated only-ships followers. Because this is still the vision that we were repeatedly shown. It might have been the vision already in 2000, but CCP realized they stomped it out too quickly in recent years and need to gradually steer us all to this. I'm a little freighter - short and stout; This is my cargo, this is my route. When I get a lock-on, I scream and shout: "Light up a cyno!" and jump on out. |
Severian Carnifex
114
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Posted - 2012.03.24 23:28:00 -
[4089] - Quote
Liu Ellens wrote:...ok, I'm doing the dangerous jump into a nearly 200 pages thread about one of the most heated discussions around lately. But I was one of the about 20 people to sit in the "Avatars and Character Creator" round-table today, so, a few tidbits I can share. I try to reproduce the things I remember as objective as possible (I'm human, might recite in error): Team Avatar consists of 5 (?) people, being primarily concentrated on polishing and extending (tatoos, ...) the character creator and recustomization. They are also for prototyping the future of Out-Of-Pod gameplay. Character Creator / Customization:
- Big decorations (upper torso decals and what not): They were not created because not easy to animate for movement - remember, the whole was meant to have us walking around seeing others
- Military uniforms for FW people: They are considered. Brain-Storming Thought: "Would you like them to buy with LP?", which was greeted with "Yes" from several people.
- Different body heights/extreme dimensions: Like stated last year: In striving for perfection, proper animations (that avoid clipping) were too much to do to include all body types.
- Layering several scars: Was/Is difficult for their bump-maps (or was it height-maps?) - Difficult to overlay
Out-Of-Pod Gameplay:
- CCP has taken two steps back and they are now prototyping on gameplay, using quick prototypes that can be created and thrown away in a matter of days or few weeks. Message: "Instead of creating art as early as possible and see what we can do with it, we first iterate on gameplay ideas and add art later".
- Whatever it will be, it is meant to do or be something 'additional' - not 'instead' of the current experience
- Prototyping is done with the Unity engine
- We were shown a 'playable' prototype of gray boxes running around in similar gray corridors
- Current prominent idea: Be the explorer type, fly to some scanned site, get out of pod and run through corridors of an abandoned station. (Side question: what happens when blown up - Mind transfer? Answer: Think DUST mercenary tech, also available for capsuleers)
- Kicked off into discussion about boarding POS. Question for thoughts was raised: When you allow a capsuleer to mess with the station someone is in - how can (should be) the one in station be able to mess the capsuleer up? (I am most probably not using the same words to recite, but hopefully the idea)
Things regarding 'old' WiS or CQ:
- We were shown an unknown movie demonstrating the modular nature of the created room assets for CQ. Character was running through a corridor/room system showcasing the various combinations giving a unique look. The idea was: The motel rooms we know now were meant to be the 'beginner' ones, others to be bigger/better.
- Upgrading to bigger CQs / personalized CQs (fixed to the station you buy them in) was considered - if still the case, I can't remember.
- Corp establishments: Were put on hold for missing gameplay.
- DUST ready-room and CQ? Nothing related (most probably because of two different engines in use)
The above is hopefully the most accurate what I could reproduce from the one hour (there was more discussed, but stuff besides this thread here). Perhaps another attendee can refine. Now my personal thoughts and opinions: There will not be anything substantial more than we currently have (creator/CQ) for at least one or even two years - apart from what we've been shown (tatoos, race mixing, ...). Listing my reasons would probably spin the whole back-and-forth once again, so I skip that :) . I am convinced we will eventually get an out-of-pod experience in what is called by many "the spaceship game". It will take time and it will take small steps to convince the alienated only-ships followers. Because this is still the vision that we were repeatedly shown. It might have been the vision already in 2000, but CCP realized they stomped it out too quickly in recent years and need to gradually steer us all to this.
Thnx a lot for this!
Was that round-table discussion recorded in any way? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2109
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Posted - 2012.03.24 23:34:00 -
[4090] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Are you telling me it's impossible to roleplay without a human shaped avatar? Of course not. The statements he made are reasonably ambiguous and not as clear cut as you pretend they are. That is all I am saying. Anything else is what you choose to read into it for trolling ammunition.
Well if you believe that because he said the world 'roleplayers' that it means they are going to divert resources from spaceships to WiS then you have left reality far behind. I guess you really, really want those dance emotes.
Shine on crazy roleplayer...shine on.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
19
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Posted - 2012.03.25 00:36:00 -
[4091] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Are you telling me it's impossible to roleplay without a human shaped avatar? Of course not. The statements he made are reasonably ambiguous and not as clear cut as you pretend they are. That is all I am saying. Anything else is what you choose to read into it for trolling ammunition. Well if you believe that because he said the world 'roleplayers' that it means they are going to divert resources from spaceships to WiS then you have left reality far behind. I guess you really, really want those dance emotes. Shine on crazy roleplayer...shine on.
Still trolling ic..... you will never learn it... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.25 01:46:00 -
[4092] - Quote
Liu Ellens wrote:Avatars and Character Creator" round-table
thank you pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.25 01:47:00 -
[4093] - Quote
Jett0 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Are you telling me it's impossible to roleplay without a human shaped avatar?
Once, I tried "/emote waves at CONCORD with his lazorz." It didn't end well.
rofl was drinking a cup of coffee reading this ,coffee is all over the desk now pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2112
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 01:53:00 -
[4094] - Quote
Johan Civire wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Are you telling me it's impossible to roleplay without a human shaped avatar? Of course not. The statements he made are reasonably ambiguous and not as clear cut as you pretend they are. That is all I am saying. Anything else is what you choose to read into it for trolling ammunition. Well if you believe that because he said the world 'roleplayers' that it means they are going to divert resources from spaceships to WiS then you have left reality far behind. I guess you really, really want those dance emotes. Shine on crazy roleplayer...shine on. Still trolling ic..... you will never learn it...
Not trolling...just sounding off against the handful of people that want CCP to go back on their promise to focus on real Eve content.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
496
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Posted - 2012.03.25 02:18:00 -
[4095] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Johan Civire wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Are you telling me it's impossible to roleplay without a human shaped avatar? Of course not. The statements he made are reasonably ambiguous and not as clear cut as you pretend they are. That is all I am saying. Anything else is what you choose to read into it for trolling ammunition. Well if you believe that because he said the world 'roleplayers' that it means they are going to divert resources from spaceships to WiS then you have left reality far behind. I guess you really, really want those dance emotes. Shine on crazy roleplayer...shine on. Still trolling ic..... you will never learn it... Not trolling...just sounding off against the handful of people that want CCP to go back on their promise to focus on real Eve content.
hey Tool activate your second braincell please,nobody wants that. pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Liu Ellens
Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
31
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:18:00 -
[4096] - Quote
Severian Carnifex wrote: Was that round-table discussion recorded in any way?
...not that I know of, sorry.
I'm now about to take the bus to the airport :) Yet another year to wait for the next fanfest. I'm a little freighter - short and stout; This is my cargo, this is my route. When I get a lock-on, I scream and shout: "Light up a cyno!" and jump on out. |
Ai Shun
410
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:44:00 -
[4097] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Not trolling...just sounding off against the handful of people that want CCP to go back on their promise to focus on real Eve content.
See, that is where I take issue with you somedays. You don't seem to read what people write and simply conflate a number of us into one large, amorphous entity that you respond to. Granted, there are players that desire that state. I've got one of them blocked for being an illogical, rude person. But the OP, myself and a number of others have stated we do not want what you claim we want.
My position is clear.
1. FiS > WiS and FiS should get first priority. 2. WiS should be a separate game, separate audience (With capsuleers included) in the EVE Universe 3. WiS should be separately funded (ISK is cross over currency) 4. WiS should be developed by the WoD team (Which should be back burnered in favour of EVE related content)
So why do you include me in your "handful of people" you are "sounding" off against. That is lazy. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2120
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:47:00 -
[4098] - Quote
The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1324
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 04:57:00 -
[4099] - Quote
Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea.
PLEASE?! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2124
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 05:16:00 -
[4100] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea. PLEASE?!
Finally somebody has found a good use for the avatar engine.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1304
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:01:00 -
[4101] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea. PLEASE?!
So more realistic character physics. I'd say a goal way down the road (way way way way down). Sure.
But I can't imagine worrying about that until we have a LOT more on the other side of the door to enjoy.
Issler |
Ai Shun
410
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:11:00 -
[4102] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS.
Knowing you that is probably drawn ludicrously out of context. I mean, you have accused me of wanting them to prioritise WiS over FiS. You have told people they are after emotes only. You basically lie and pull anything and everything out of context.
So - can you link the post where this allegedly happened, please? If I agree with that, I will edit my post to remove the OP's name from that and remove her from my list of WiS, but not at the cost of FiS players. |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
59
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:23:00 -
[4103] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS. Knowing you that is probably drawn ludicrously out of context. I mean, you have accused me of wanting them to prioritise WiS over FiS. You have told people they are after emotes only. You basically lie and pull anything and everything out of context. So - can you link the post where this allegedly happened, please? If I agree with that, I will edit my post to remove the OP's name from that and remove her from my list of WiS, but not at the cost of FiS players.
...where is this list and am i on it? Because I would like to be por favor. CCP! Open the door!!! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2130
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:32:00 -
[4104] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS. Knowing you that is probably drawn ludicrously out of context. I mean, you have accused me of wanting them to prioritise WiS over FiS. You have told people they are after emotes only. You basically lie and pull anything and everything out of context. So - can you link the post where this allegedly happened, please? If I agree with that, I will edit my post to remove the OP's name from that and remove her from my list of WiS, but not at the cost of FiS players.
Issler's post
CCP karkur's hurt feelings
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ai Shun
410
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 08:42:00 -
[4105] - Quote
Issler wrote:This was exactly my fear. CCP, you need to realize you are hurting the future of your game and you need to start to be more honest with the players. One and a fraction people can't get anything useful done for ambulation. This now clearly looks to be just another PR stunt.
CCP, take ambulation seriously and open that door!
Seriously, Ladie Harlot? Now I know you are just trolling. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
506
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Posted - 2012.03.25 12:03:00 -
[4106] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS. Knowing you that is probably drawn ludicrously out of context. I mean, you have accused me of wanting them to prioritise WiS over FiS. You have told people they are after emotes only. You basically lie and pull anything and everything out of context. So - can you link the post where this allegedly happened, please? If I agree with that, I will edit my post to remove the OP's name from that and remove her from my list of WiS, but not at the cost of FiS players. Issler's postCCP karkur's hurt feelings
Lol little tool ,Karkur felt misunderstood when somebody mentioned this :
Quote:I was talking about percentage in that post. Look at what they did... Team Avatar is working on WiS with about 1/3 of their time 5 ppl are in team, 1 is QA, so 4 persons are developing. 1/3 of 4 is 1,33. 1,33 devs are actually working on WiS... XD thats so sad that its funny
A lot she did in her own time is moved to TA ,as if TA did it all If there are more like her at ccp, those people should have a new forum tag
CCP Karkur would be CCPG Karkur
G = Golden Employee pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden Freelancer Coalition
14
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Posted - 2012.03.25 12:56:00 -
[4107] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
I'm so sorry seeing a hard working Dev beeing sad cause all the work and efforts and time he has spend it gets hard knocked down by the Big loud crying FiS fraction of the players.......tbh...it's sad to see that most players still can't see the possible goods, features, Challenges and other stuff can get implemented with WiS in the future over time also remember there is still and has to be changes for the whole games if this doesn't happens stagnation would occour and whit this happen the game would go slowly down and finally die.
I think most the fear from the older Veterans and Hardcore Eve players ARE changes which WiS will bring to their stupidly followed gameplay e.g. shooting each other again and again and over again just for the sake of Destroying each other and the so called 'fun' of it.
Remember guys, YOU aren't the only ones playing Eve, there are others which aren't interessted in those activitys at all, so there are still RPers in game would WiS getting fully working and well done implemtented appreciate.
I'm not RPer but i like somehow beeing a person ( Avatar ) able to leave the Capsule to walk around and meet other players at some day in the station eye in eye rather then starring still on the Chatwindow with static pictures to watch.
Anyways CCP Karkur i'm feeling with you and hope you can get at some day back to your work and impress at some day all those which were hammering you with insults and other badly worded Comments with a FUlly working and representative WiS which will get them finally to shut up and accept only changes make a game better over time not the still following old ways until everything gets boring.
Sincerly
Carola Kessler |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
224
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Posted - 2012.03.25 13:27:00 -
[4108] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea. PLEASE?! Issler, now is the time for you to show that you will be a contributing member of the csm despite being previously labeled as a joke candidate. it is literally like whack-a-mole with these lisping emote /dance otaku freaks, there are too many of them i can't rebuke them all. just look at all them freaks coming out pining for you to support their frivolous desires.
after watching the streams of FF i've changed my mind about combat in wis. i've concluded that it is only in space where meaningful loss can be inflicted. i am not particularly interested in EVE having a "die a thousand deaths with little consequences" shooter game, after all that is what Dust is for. i've concluded meaningful gameplay and content for wis lies in industry and trade. for starters npc trade goods like (eg. vaccines and small arms) could use a complete revamp, place them into the players' hands. i don't know how wis will be but i sure as hell can tell you what it shall not be. wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1330
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Posted - 2012.03.25 13:57:00 -
[4109] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea. PLEASE?! So more realistic character physics. I'd say a goal way down the road (way way way way down). Sure. But I can't imagine worrying about that until we have a LOT more on the other side of the door to enjoy. Issler
Oh of course! I figure it is like the Dead Horse POS thread though...Gotta get it up early so it can be done 6 years from now. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
365
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 15:32:00 -
[4110] - Quote
Doh, i just read that CCP torfitrans mentioned that WiS could be something like exploring sleeper stations for treasury... as there is no video of the Art keynote I can't tell exactly what he said, but I seriously hope they come up with something better than turning WiS into wormhole-only content.
Just to make a point clear, WiS gameplay must provide endgame content for hiseccers, something you CAN and WANT to fly a seriously invested (in time, ISK and SP) ship into. Something like what used to be Level 5 missions before they exiled them to cheapo-frigate land.
My irony gland would litherally poison me if after all WiS became just another stupid bait to lure hisec players into the fangs of PvP scoundrel...
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.03.25 15:46:00 -
[4111] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Apparently all who waited for WiS as a source of alternate gameplay just will have to wait for a couple years... maybe then it's going to be worth resubbing to EVE.
Meanwhile, as my signature used to say... without no WiS, no new solo content, no new causal content, no hisec endgame... I will not be paying for this game.
Curious if you still feel this way?
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
365
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 15:57:00 -
[4112] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Apparently all who waited for WiS as a source of alternate gameplay just will have to wait for a couple years... maybe then it's going to be worth resubbing to EVE.
Meanwhile, as my signature used to say... without no WiS, no new solo content, no new causal content, no hisec endgame... I will not be paying for this game.
Curious if you still feel this way?
Completely. I haven't played EVE since november & would had quit after Crucible if weren't that i got this alt account paid for until late april. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:00:00 -
[4113] - Quote
Liu Ellens wrote:...ok, I'm doing the dangerous jump into a nearly 200 pages thread about one of the most heated discussions around lately. But I was one of the about 20 people to sit in the "Avatars and Character Creator" round-table today, so, a few tidbits I can share.
(Snipped the round table discussion and ideas.)
Good stuff mentioned in that piece! By chance Liu Ellens, was there any mention about Aurem, much less microtransactions being a part of the future? Or any plans to make the various items purchased through the Nex store a part of the player created market?
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
365
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:49:00 -
[4114] - Quote
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:Liu Ellens wrote:...ok, I'm doing the dangerous jump into a nearly 200 pages thread about one of the most heated discussions around lately. But I was one of the about 20 people to sit in the "Avatars and Character Creator" round-table today, so, a few tidbits I can share.
(Snipped the round table discussion and ideas.) Good stuff mentioned in that piece! By chance Liu Ellens, was there any mention about Aurem, much less microtransactions being a part of the future? Or any plans to make the various items purchased through the Nex store a part of the player created market?
Source? So we can, huh, like read it? EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.25 17:00:00 -
[4115] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Source? So we can, huh, like read it? One page back, post number 3890 -
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=993301#post993301 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2149
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 17:08:00 -
[4116] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Issler wrote:This was exactly my fear. CCP, you need to realize you are hurting the future of your game and you need to start to be more honest with the players. One and a fraction people can't get anything useful done for ambulation. This now clearly looks to be just another PR stunt.
CCP, take ambulation seriously and open that door! Seriously, Ladie Harlot? Now I know you are just trolling.
And now you see why I lump you all together.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
235
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Posted - 2012.03.25 17:50:00 -
[4117] - Quote
Liu Ellens wrote:Out-Of-Pod Gameplay:
- CCP has taken two steps back and they are now prototyping on gameplay, using quick prototypes that can be created and thrown away in a matter of days or few weeks. Message: "Instead of creating art as early as possible and see what we can do with it, we first iterate on gameplay ideas and add art later".
- Whatever it will be, it is meant to do or be something 'additional' - not 'instead' of the current experience
- Prototyping is done with the Unity engine
- We were shown a 'playable' prototype of gray boxes running around in similar gray corridors
- Current prominent idea: Be the explorer type, fly to some scanned site, get out of pod and run through corridors of an abandoned station. (Side question: what happens when blown up - Mind transfer? Answer: Think DUST mercenary tech, also available for capsuleers)
- Kicked off into discussion about boarding POS. Question for thoughts was raised: When you allow a capsuleer to mess with the station someone is in - how can (should be) the one in station be able to mess the capsuleer up? (I am most probably not using the same words to recite, but hopefully the idea)
Thanks for taking the time to write this up.
I can't say I'm surprised to hear that basically nothing will be done with walk in stations but that doesn't stop me from being disappointed.
What makes things worse is that CCP are continuing to release CGI trailers that do not represent the game. The latest on looks amazing but that isn't the game we all know. I mean, why drum up excitement by showing us videos of pilots leaving their ships and exploring sleeper sites if that type of gamplay is so far off?! Then when people buy into the idea and want to know how it's coming along, we're told that the feature only has a skeleton crew working on pointless thinks like sleeve tattoos at the moment...
I give up.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2154
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Posted - 2012.03.25 17:53:00 -
[4118] - Quote
So instead of being happy that WiS hasn't been outright canceled you're going to double down on insulting the devs who are adding features and fixing bugs?
Keep it classy, WiS fetishists. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
566
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Posted - 2012.03.25 17:59:00 -
[4119] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Liu Ellens wrote:Out-Of-Pod Gameplay:
- CCP has taken two steps back and they are now prototyping on gameplay, using quick prototypes that can be created and thrown away in a matter of days or few weeks. Message: "Instead of creating art as early as possible and see what we can do with it, we first iterate on gameplay ideas and add art later".
- Whatever it will be, it is meant to do or be something 'additional' - not 'instead' of the current experience
- Prototyping is done with the Unity engine
- We were shown a 'playable' prototype of gray boxes running around in similar gray corridors
- Current prominent idea: Be the explorer type, fly to some scanned site, get out of pod and run through corridors of an abandoned station. (Side question: what happens when blown up - Mind transfer? Answer: Think DUST mercenary tech, also available for capsuleers)
- Kicked off into discussion about boarding POS. Question for thoughts was raised: When you allow a capsuleer to mess with the station someone is in - how can (should be) the one in station be able to mess the capsuleer up? (I am most probably not using the same words to recite, but hopefully the idea)
Thanks for taking the time to write this up. I can't say I'm surprised to hear that basically nothing will be done with walk in stations but that doesn't stop me from being disappointed. What makes things worse is that CCP are continuing to release CGI trailers that do not represent the game. The latest on looks amazing but that isn't the game we all know. I mean, why drum up excitement by showing us videos of pilots leaving their ships and exploring sleeper sites if that type of gamplay is so far off?! Then when people buy into the idea and want to know how it's coming along, we're told that the feature only has a skeleton crew working on pointless thinks like sleeve tattoos at the moment... I give up.
If your possessions could somehow find their way to my hangar before you leave, that would be muchly appreciated.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3469
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Posted - 2012.03.25 18:05:00 -
[4120] - Quote
That CGI trailer is ccps challenge to self.
"This is the game we want to make" - CCP
Last years trailer is slowly becomming a reality this year, we prove orbital bombardment and very soon you can see for yourself in the beta.
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Liu Ellens
Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
33
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Posted - 2012.03.25 18:23:00 -
[4121] - Quote
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:Good stuff mentioned in that piece! By chance Liu Ellens, was there any mention about Aurem, much less microtransactions being a part of the future? Or any plans to make the various items purchased through the Nex store a part of the player created market?
I'm glad a few found some info in that excerpt - I'll remember to bring an audio recorder next year ;)
Nothing in regard to Aurum, transactions or market was mentioned or discussed in this one hour (that I'm aware of - there were a few bits with crosstalk). The only thing loosely related was the point about possibly getting uniforms for LP.
My understanding is that anything related to Aurum or 'payment' in general is out of scope of Team Avatar. Any further of my guesses would be as good as from any other.
Also, a follow up on one of the above 'fears' of explorer only venturing out-of-pod in w-space: IF out-of-pod experience is bound to exploration I doubt it would be w-space only. Tackled more generally and more objective: Torfifrans (who was also present at this roundtable) and the others made it clear that they are at the drawing board right now. Any snipped like "exploring sleeper site" or similar is just an idea, prototyped and possibly thrown away the next week again. I took from this hour that exploration is currently just the prominent idea.
A sidetrack discussion in this regard for example was about entering POS. The hanging question here was then like I wrote, to consider and require a duality of such things (Think DUST and orbital warfare: We can shoot down, but they also can shoot up)
I'm a little freighter - short and stout; This is my cargo, this is my route. When I get a lock-on, I scream and shout: "Light up a cyno!" and jump on out. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
238
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Posted - 2012.03.25 20:25:00 -
[4122] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:So instead of being happy that WiS hasn't been outright canceled you're going to double down on insulting the devs who are adding features and fixing bugs?
Keep it classy, WiS fetishists.
If the developers choose to be offended by my honest opinion, then that's their problem. I'm not going to change what i think to make them or idiots like you feel better.
I want a good out of pod experience, that isn't going to change... but if ccp can't provide that in the foreseeable future, then i would prefer they stop stringing us along with CGI trailers. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
238
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Posted - 2012.03.25 20:27:00 -
[4123] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
If your possessions could somehow find their way to my hangar before you leave, that would be muchly appreciated.
How original. Someone should condense this sentiment down into something like "can i have your stuff"
Ps. i never said i'm quitting EVE |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2158
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Posted - 2012.03.25 20:31:00 -
[4124] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:So instead of being happy that WiS hasn't been outright canceled you're going to double down on insulting the devs who are adding features and fixing bugs?
Keep it classy, WiS fetishists. If the developers choose to be offended by my honest opinion, then that's their problem. I'm not going to change what i think to make them or idiots like you feel better. I want a good out of pod experience, that isn't going to change... but if ccp can't provide that in the foreseeable future, then i would prefer they stop stringing us along with CGI trailers.
Me too...imagine all the great stuff they could do if they didn't waste time trying to placate a tiny handful of people who will never be happy.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ai Shun
411
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Posted - 2012.03.25 20:38:00 -
[4125] - Quote
Thank you for keeping the thread bumped. The more people see the potential in WiS the better and the sooner we can get WoD backburnered and EVE universe extended by that team. |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.03.25 20:47:00 -
[4126] - Quote
I am all for WOD moving forward. It is using the same technology that WIS and the "end Bill" of there research will be pushed to WOD to pay off while it is running paying freeing up funds for CCP to spend on EVE.Ie: Motion Capture - Wis can now steal from WOD Emotes - Wis Can steal from WOD Localization Technology - like Serburs WAS stolen from WOD Environment Development technology - TIghting Textures, room Building, object construction PVE Creation Tools: The mechanics can be modified to suite the eve environment.
WOD is like Learning skills - invest now for a little bit and the future pay out will be amazing, need to help the newb grow so we can rob him blind when he has something worth while to steal. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
12
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Posted - 2012.03.25 20:55:00 -
[4127] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:So instead of being happy that WiS hasn't been outright canceled you're going to double down on insulting the devs who are adding features and fixing bugs?
Keep it classy, WiS fetishists. If the developers choose to be offended by my honest opinion, then that's their problem. I'm not going to change what i think to make them or idiots like you feel better. I want a good out of pod experience, that isn't going to change... but if ccp can't provide that in the foreseeable future, then i would prefer they stop stringing us along with CGI trailers. Me too...imagine all the great stuff they could do if they didn't waste time trying to placate a tiny handful of people who will never be happy.
I have to wonder...Is bashing ideas that are not relevent to you a full blown profession in EVE. How does one make isk, or possibly have fun with such a career? I will ponder this for awhile. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2158
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Posted - 2012.03.25 20:56:00 -
[4128] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Thank you for keeping the thread bumped. The more people see the potential in WiS the better and the sooner we can get WoD backburnered and EVE universe extended by that team.
You think you're insulting me but I've said before I want this thread to remain on the first page. I don't want CCP to forget the commitments they have made.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2158
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Posted - 2012.03.25 20:57:00 -
[4129] - Quote
Mathias Hex wrote:I have to wonder...Is bashing ideas that are not relevent to you a full blown profession in EVE. How does one make isk, or possibly have fun with such a career? I will ponder this for awhile.
I get paid in plex to post. It's good work if you can get it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ai Shun
411
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:13:00 -
[4130] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:I am all for WOD moving forward. It is using the same technology that WIS and the "end Bill" of there research will be pushed to WOD to pay off while it is running paying freeing up funds for CCP to spend on EVE.Ie: Motion Capture - Wis can now steal from WOD Emotes - Wis Can steal from WOD Localization Technology - like Serburs WAS stolen from WOD Environment Development technology - TIghting Textures, room Building, object construction PVE Creation Tools: The mechanics can be modified to suite the eve environment.
WOD is like Learning skills - invest now for a little bit and the future pay out will be amazing, need to help the newb grow so we can rob him blind when he has something worth while to steal.
I'd be tempted to handle them in reverse. Let WiS, which has an established MMO universe with players to deliver content to, be the one to lead with WoD with a pen and paper population follow behind. |
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Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:16:00 -
[4131] - Quote
Stuff I am looking for Incarna to be:
-A place where I can adventure. --> Can make player adventures though the use of bots and markers. Ie I have a Bounty Booth - Will pay 10mill per corps over 40 mill in skill points belonging to Raiden Dot, turn over to my Booth, --> Mission to explore the darker sides of the station, Docked ships. Or even senid me mission to explore the insides of land marks
A place where I can Build an Revenue Making Strong Hold - --> Allow me to build a mega tower, Populate it with wage slaves, guards, valuable which will earn me income. A place where a "not friend" may sneak in or assault to still the items I am researching, or the assets that I am using to bring in a passive income. A place were that Not Friend will die and I will auto steal his loot! (I am the evil with with her candy house attacking little girls and boys I can eat.)
A place where I can sway the NPCs of the station to do my bidding and leverage my strength against my fellow corp members that I indirectly hate or on NPC station where I can eventually take over the under belly of the Stations society and earn an income.
-> Tools to allow me to build buildings, Develop Property and sub lease it. -> Tools to allow me to build the inside of a ship and submit it to CCP for them to use, allowing my name to be attached to that ship interior as my reward. But still allow others to build on it and add their name as the crew that designed and built the ship -> Tools to allow me to build PVE content to be presented on a test server, if acceptable and passing the Time to ***** Factor, presented as a PVE mission in Eve tranquility.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:43:00 -
[4132] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:
I'd be tempted to handle them in reverse. Let WiS, which has an established MMO universe with players to deliver content to, be the one to lead with WoD with a pen and paper population follow behind.
Gevlins Rebuttle. They have been in the development stages since 2007, and are now beginning with this year working with Jumping and Climbing animations with the actual characters. Work is still being done on the WIS engine to allow content to be created and optimized. WIS is back to the Visualization stage. Besides most FIS evangulists are but hurt about WIS and its, flop. So ramping up WIS now is bad.
WOD would have actually been far more along than it is now, but CCP has been switching them from EVE incarna, Dust 514 to force these projects out. In return they have been throwing staff at them to make up lost time, then caning boat loads of them when they realized it was not working. At this Rate CCP is going to kill WOD before it is able to produce any work. Every time you have to drop a project to jump on another you loose the Momentum, people have to relearn what was forgotten, rebuild the social infrastructure with in the group when they return to their work.
There are fans and revenue to be earned from WOD. If EVE plants a spy in WOD development team and copy all their technology. I will make me very happy, when they launch and if successful the spy can continue to steal copies of their phat loot.
My personal dream of being able to have tools to create player adventures will come though WOD as the focus of White Wolf was the live action roleplaying, a 25% of these people are Story Tellers (game masters) and many would desire the ability to build a tale that others can experience.
For long term growth WIS needs to make a plan and tie that plan into FIS in several spots, not just Stations. We need to allow WOD to grow, see what they are planning, see how it works with our WIS plan, (rename it) Avoid Duplication. Then pirate what stuff we need. add the eve tough to it and pop out WIS.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Ai Shun
411
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:48:00 -
[4133] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:There are fans and revenue to be earned from WOD.
I don't disagree with that. The WoD system is my favourite as a Story Teller; even if it is just recycling the system outside of the WoD universe. I'm older now though and my players have all moved to different countries, etc. so we're a bit spread out geographically. A game that would allow us to roleplay our own stories again would be grand. I don't know if we'll see that type of freedom in WoD though.
However, with Dust 514 out soon - especially the station environments shown in the keynote - I personally see an Avatar based game in the EVE Universe as more valuable to the EVE playerbase and would prefer that. It makes more sense to me for them to focus on their own IP, to develop that to the maximum potential. ****, I'd love them if they added a RTS game to the EVE Universe as well, to layer inbetween Dust and FiS.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
369
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:05:00 -
[4134] - Quote
Doh, I'm playing Deux Ex: Human Revolution and have gone to my apartment (Jensen's apartment) for the first time and it's been quite amazing how it feels to have a place of your own in a RPG... it really has made me connect with that Jensen dude I've been moving around Detroit.
And makes me think, it is so awful how the CQs never caused such an impression on me.
In a way, I always wished that this tune would become litherally true someday:
Jon Hallur - My other residency (EVE Online ST)
But that it's not even in the plans anymore. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Flamespar
Woof Club
312
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:13:00 -
[4135] - Quote
I hope CCP follows through with the exploration and discovery angle for Avatar gameplay. I think it would be great fun. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:17:00 -
[4136] - Quote
I am just not eager to simply though away the small amount of momentum gained over the last 5 years. These WOD developers are there not because they are there to have a job and program they are there because they are bringing a dream of bringing WOD to the MMO world. Pulling them off their love and producing Space stuff they have no vested interest in will drain the evangelist energy that allow them to produce on only Caffeine and 3 hours sleep night.
FLUFF - Wall of text. This summer we should see a "Plan" Completed by Team Avatar
WOD is to officially announce its, after 5? years of development in October at their the Fan event. Which after looking at Dusts production cycle means they will be out in 2 years.
In Winter of 2012 Team Avatar will have a battle hardened their plan in place, planed out the structure they need. They stolen some stuff from WOD and make plans of what else they will steal in the future months. They will start ramping up staff to produce a T1 level of dreams for Spring of 2013 including the converted items stolen from WOD. We will see high advanced motion capture and character development stolen from WOD GÇô minus the WOD specific items, and limited room expansion.
My guess is that 50% of the stuff currently being produced by WOD can be Stolen and easily converted to WIS. From Spring of 2013 till the end of Spring 2014 I can see a substantial amount of stuff coming to WIS, With a strong focus of integration with in FIS
Though on the sad point on the 6 month period of release before WOD June 2014 to Oct 2014) I can see 0% progress on WIS as the WIS team moves to WOD to push that product out. After than WIS should move at Double rate as it was before as the WOD technology to be stolen will be pre battle tested, and should be an easy import after the Anti- WOD filter is put in place. A strong focus on Environments will start at this point.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:21:00 -
[4137] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Doh, I'm playing Deux Ex: Human Revolution and have gone to my apartment (Jensen's apartment) for the first time and it's been quite amazing how it feels to have a place of your own in a RPG... it really has made me connect with that Jensen dude I've been moving around Detroit. And makes me think, it is so awful how the CQs never caused such an impression on me. In a way, I always wished that this tune would become litherally true someday: Jon Hallur - My other residency (EVE Online ST)But that it's not even in the plans anymore.
I the POS redesign of CCP's key note he did mention POS's having their own CQ as an option.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Ai Shun
411
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:30:00 -
[4138] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:WOD is to officially announce its, after 5? years of development in October at their the Fan event. Which after looking at Dusts production cycle means they will be out in 2 years.
So you see World of Darkness releasing in October 2014? Sorry, but I'm struggling to translate a lot of what you say.
Gevlin wrote:From Spring of 2013 till the end of Spring 2014 I can see a substantial amount of stuff coming to WIS, With a strong focus of integration with in FIS
I think you are dreaming with that ambition; especially if I understood your earlier comment about 2 years after October 2012 being the estimated WoD launch.
Team Avatar consists of 5 people at the moment (?). They are helping with UI iterations and minor, cosmetic changes to avatars. If you seriously expect them to accomplish even half of what a team of 60+ on World of Darkness have not been able to do in 5 - 7 years within a year, even with a large volume of groundwork laid you're dreaming. Especially as the plans have not even been finalised on what it is going to be.
Moreover, I'd expect significant QA for anything that integrates with EVE - especially something that had such a failed initial launch. To my mind EVE and the existing IP is still a lot more important than World of Darkness, tasty as that may be and EVE should be the priority. Scrap trying to develop multiple universes and focus on one so that one is perfect. |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:32:00 -
[4139] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:I hope CCP follows through with the exploration and discovery angle for Avatar gameplay. I think it would be great fun.
Honestly I think that is one of the main causes of the Re-plan of WIS, as it didn't have that angle in it and after reading what people are writing and the response of players to the dreams of a developer I can't recall the name of that brings functionality to FIS which was missing.
Just there is "Alot of work" to bring that static PVE content to life and allow the opportunity for the players to create this Static PVE content.
Sadly out side of Building a Station - there is No PVE static player content that will stay around for a player to leave his mark with.
Even though it will require countless weeks of work, to produce something good I would love to be able to build an environment or mission that would last well after I am gone. After a few years it maybe buried deep down in the countless missions a player can now burn through, and never do twice, it will hopefully leave an impression on an individual who plays it.
I just hope a tool is release to allow us to make an adventure.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:49:00 -
[4140] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:
Team Avatar consists of 5 people at the moment (?). They are helping with UI iterations and minor, cosmetic changes to avatars. If you seriously expect them to accomplish even half of what a team of 60+ on World of Darkness have not been able to do in 5 - 7 years within a year, even with a large volume of groundwork laid you're dreaming. Especially as the plans have not even been finalized on what it is going to be.
Well.... ah... yes. Plan, Salvage, exploit, Build. My gut tells me from the stuff I saw, there is a lot of stuff out there that just needs a Purpose and a Polish.
To the sounds of it CCP didn't have a plan last time.. and now they are taking a sprint to make one. It does not take many people to make a plan and the team will grow I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
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Ai Shun
412
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:52:00 -
[4141] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:have a plan last time.. and now they are taking a sprint to make one. It does not take many people to make a plan and the team will grow
From where will the team grow? We cannot compromise FiS. You have World of Darkness earmarked for at least 2 years of development so we can't pull anyone from there. And, given the staff layoffs I don't see CCP being in a rush to pull other people in. There is only one sensible place to get those developers from for the core CCP IP and product ... |
Public Relation
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.25 23:28:00 -
[4142] - Quote
Thanks to CCP for the awesome trailer at Fanfest 2102. No matter what happen to WiS i will always continue playing EVE.
But if you make the exploration of derelick entities in full body avatar a reality, you will have an extremely happy customers.
Make it happen, start from there to implement, or iterate, even more meaningful gameplay for full body avatar. Just make sure that i don't need a fleet of friend waiting ouside doing nothing, just to protect my ship i leave behind.
My wet dream would be to be able to join a DUST game with my avatar. Well maybe not in the form of a combatant. I don't know if its even feasible, but i can still dream....
Again, CCP you have my vote on the exploration gameplay in full body avatar, similar to what we saw in the Fanfest 2012 trailer. Looking for small, hard to get from a "beam", artifact or unknown tech that can be used to build implants, boosters, new type of datacore, etc. You can even tie this gameplay with POS lab, where we need to "experiement" in full body avatar on those little "thing", in the POS lab.
Love you all at CCP, specialy CCP Alice |
PaTrond
X-9 Chained Reactions
2
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Posted - 2012.03.25 23:48:00 -
[4143] - Quote
Walking in stations would be awesome in itself, but it's not sustainable in itself. What I mean is that it has to have more features, ways to interact with not just other people, so people would walk in stations. Maybe features like a screen with planetary interactions, visit the ship hangar, a forge, factory or so. Therefore I mean it's a future thing that could come be cool to have with the future POSes, which will have modules instead of everything floating around(?). Oh! I hope CCP will make a lobby with a board, like stock exchanges, with mineral prices and so on! |
Public Relation
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.25 23:53:00 -
[4144] - Quote
PaTrond wrote:Walking in stations would be awesome in itself, but it's not sustainable in itself. What I mean is that it has to have more features, ways to interact with not just other people, so people would walk in stations. Maybe features like a screen with planetary interactions, visit the ship hangar, a forge, factory or so. Therefore I mean it's a future thing that could come be cool to have with the future POSes, which will have modules instead of everything floating around(?). Oh! I hope CCP will make a lobby with a board, like stock exchanges, with mineral prices and so on!
Personaly i want also a social feature. Walking in station to interact with other player is also fun in itself.
Just a personal flavor, thats all. |
PaTrond
X-9 Chained Reactions
2
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Posted - 2012.03.25 23:58:00 -
[4145] - Quote
Public Relation wrote:PaTrond wrote:Walking in stations would be awesome in itself, but it's not sustainable in itself. What I mean is that it has to have more features, ways to interact with not just other people, so people would walk in stations. Maybe features like a screen with planetary interactions, visit the ship hangar, a forge, factory or so. Therefore I mean it's a future thing that could come be cool to have with the future POSes, which will have modules instead of everything floating around(?). Oh! I hope CCP will make a lobby with a board, like stock exchanges, with mineral prices and so on! Personaly i want also a social feature. Walking in station to interact with other player is also fun in itself. Just a personal flavor, thats all.
Yeah, would be good for corps, or even meeting new people. I just think that there has to be something getting you to do station walking. It would be a cool thing, so I would probably do it a bit, but I still think I would give up the walking if there was nothing else than just walking around, meeting people to do. We would be a bit too busy in my corp. doing other things than just walking around. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:00:00 -
[4146] - Quote
that new trailer btw, is not about wis or incarna or even new exploration gameplay, it is just a short dramatization of the recent eve novel Templar One which introduces the lore-justification of Dust soldier clones.
wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
567
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:16:00 -
[4147] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:that new trailer btw, is not about wis or incarna or even new exploration gameplay, it is just a short dramatization of the recent eve novel Templar One which introduces the lore-justification of Dust soldier clones.
Not empty quoting.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
33
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:19:00 -
[4148] - Quote
Something to think about. The cloning tech in Dust would allow for the complete removal of pods, if the tech could become cheap enough. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
33
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:19:00 -
[4149] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:that new trailer btw, is not about wis or incarna or even new exploration gameplay, it is just a short dramatization of the recent eve novel Templar One which introduces the lore-justification of Dust soldier clones.
trufax, but it does open new doors, doesn't it? |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:36:00 -
[4150] - Quote
We cannot compromise FiS.
Yup... so WIS will not be more than 40% of the FIS effort All WIS will tie into FIS making it meaningful like include Derelek exploration, Shooting people in the Face, A lot of the technology is complete and just needs optimizing and a purpose.
oh and as I have been saying : then Steal all the Stuff from WOD.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
33
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:44:00 -
[4151] - Quote
Gevlin wrote: We cannot compromise FiS.
Yup... so WIS will not be more than 40% of the FIS effort All WIS will tie into FIS making it meaningful like include Derelek exploration, Shooting people in the Face, A lot of the technology is complete and just needs optimizing and a purpose.
oh and as I have been saying : then Steal all the Stuff from WOD.
You can "Derelek" my balls.
Also, it's Derelict. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
567
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:46:00 -
[4152] - Quote
Gevlin wrote: We cannot oh and as I have been saying : then Steal all the Stuff from WOD.
There is nothing to steal from WoD but art assets. All of WoD's tech comes from EVE (Carbon).
/Unless you want some fangs on your avatar maybe, or a cape.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ai Shun
412
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:20:00 -
[4153] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:oh and as I have been saying : then Steal all the Stuff from WOD.
Again; you're looking at 2+ years according to your timeline before anything beyond planning can start. I still think it would be better to put World of Darkness on the back burner and let it borrow from EVE. Then the core universe gets more on a faster timeline and the sidelines can be just that - sidelines.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
370
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:55:00 -
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Public Relation wrote:PaTrond wrote:Walking in stations would be awesome in itself, but it's not sustainable in itself. What I mean is that it has to have more features, ways to interact with not just other people, so people would walk in stations. Maybe features like a screen with planetary interactions, visit the ship hangar, a forge, factory or so. Therefore I mean it's a future thing that could come be cool to have with the future POSes, which will have modules instead of everything floating around(?). Oh! I hope CCP will make a lobby with a board, like stock exchanges, with mineral prices and so on! Personaly i want also a social feature. Walking in station to interact with other player is also fun in itself. Just a personal flavor, thats all.
Yay, i too miss how they didn't even mention the social aspect of it all. Social gameplay provides the biggest bang-per-buck of avatars and provides a easily scaleable experience. it would be a great way to start using avatars for playing. But as i said upon the news on the start of A-Team, CCP's plans for WiS are to have plans for running a marathon soemtime in the future and meanwhile they won't even attempt to run around the block.
That is, currently CCP has no real commitment to WiS. Be it because they don't want or because they can't, whatever the reason, they are not going to fix that broken useless feature until everyone interested in it has left the game (2 years? 3 years?). EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1337
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:52:00 -
[4155] - Quote
I think a lot of you are completely missing the point of everything said at Fanfest.
CCP has admitted to and apologized for losing sight of the core gameplay of EvE, which is, FiS. Spaceships and blowing **** up. The got back on track and intend to stay there. Part of that is to correctly develope WiS into something that works along the lines of the core gameplay. In other words, killing people and blowing **** up. They want WiS to succeed but in a way that the players want. They know we want to kill each other in stations. They know we want risk as well as reward. They know all of this. What they are saying is they are commited to making WiS happen but only when it can be done right. The video shown at the end of Fanfest is just showing us what they have in mind and where they want to go with it.
All through Fanfest I heard them say over and over..."Do you want this? We won't do this unless you say you want it. We want your input. We want your ideas. We want to make EvE what you want it to be. We won't do these awesome graphis upgrades, and beautiful explosions and ring asteroids unless YOU want it.". They said this repeatedly. They were guaging the reactions of the players at Fanfest to the content they were showing. They are still guaging our reactions on the forums. So far it is all good stuff and looking like a bright future for EvE.
I want WiS as much as the rest of you. But I want it when it is done right. I wan't to kill people in stations that I don't like. I want to kill Drones for PvE content. I want everything that we have in FiS now as part of WiS in the future. If that means waiting another 3 years for it. So be it. If there is one thing that the gaming industry should learn from all of this it's, do it right or don't do it at all. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
373
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:36:00 -
[4156] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I think a lot of you are completely missing the point of everything said at Fanfest.
CCP has admitted to and apologized for losing sight of the core gameplay of EvE, which is, FiS. Spaceships and blowing **** up. They got back on track and intend to stay there. Part of that is to correctly develope WiS into something that works along the lines of the core gameplay. In other words, killing people and blowing **** up. They want WiS to succeed but in a way that the players want. They know we want to kill each other in stations. They know we want risk as well as reward. They know all of this. What they are saying is they are commited to making WiS happen but only when it can be done right. The video shown at the end of Fanfest is just showing us what they have in mind and where they want to go with it.
All through Fanfest I heard them say over and over..."Do you want this? We won't do this unless you say you want it. We want your input. We want your ideas. We want to make EvE what you want it to be. We won't do these awesome graphis upgrades, and beautiful explosions and ring asteroids unless YOU want it.". They said this repeatedly. They were guaging the reactions of the players at Fanfest to the content they were showing. They are still guaging our reactions on the forums. So far it is all good stuff and looking like a bright future for EvE.
I want WiS as much as the rest of you. But I want it when it is done right. I wan't to kill people in stations that I don't like. I want to kill Drones for PvE content. I want everything that we have in FiS now as part of WiS in the future. If that means waiting another 3 years for it. So be it. If there is one thing that the gaming industry should learn from all of this it's, do it right or don't do it at all.
I want to use the CQ and the avatars we got now.
In a way, I don't care much what they do next as long as stations keep being a safe haven where your ship can't be blown and your avatar can't be slain. There is a vast lore potential and there is no competence, so whatever they do, in a way it will be as unique as EVE.
But meanwhile we got these features now, a place to do litherally nothing around and a Parkinson afflicted mannequin to pose as our ingame identity. All I ask is, for God's sake, put them to use or plain remove them from the game altogether!
First all I had was a head, and it was a fine head to see! Then I acquired a body, and nobody could see anything but my head. Then my legs began strolling around, and there was nowhere to go. So now I am sitting in this couch and I question the gods: Why? EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
507
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:24:00 -
[4157] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Gevlin wrote: We cannot oh and as I have been saying : then Steal all the Stuff from WOD.
There is nothing to steal from WoD but art assets. All of WoD's tech comes from EVE (Carbon). /Unless you want some fangs on your avatar maybe, or a cape.
+1 bc you made me laugh after a hard day at work pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Ai Shun
413
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:12:00 -
[4158] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS. Knowing you that is probably drawn ludicrously out of context. I mean, you have accused me of wanting them to prioritise WiS over FiS. You have told people they are after emotes only. You basically lie and pull anything and everything out of context. So - can you link the post where this allegedly happened, please? If I agree with that, I will edit my post to remove the OP's name from that and remove her from my list of WiS, but not at the cost of FiS players. Issler's postCCP karkur's hurt feelings
You are unhappy because Issler made a few simple statements that are not insulting. And yet, you are openly supporting of a Goon trying to harass a player into committing suicide.
Ladie Harlot wrote:Thanks for even more free publicity
From here. And several other places. Are you surprised that people struggle to take you seriously when you are so blindly partisan?
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Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
493
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:11:00 -
[4159] - Quote
So thats where this thread went. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:50:00 -
[4160] - Quote
Guys did you see that all CCPs "EVE in future" trailers are like two thirds WiS? Even this new one...
This looks promising. |
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Abigail Aldornia
1st Black Hawk Holding Black Hawk.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:55:00 -
[4161] - Quote
If WiS is goinjg to look like the one they showed ages ago + their current idea`s of exploring abandoned station then its going to be awsome. (Maybe mix it with a Pod pilot and a Dust514 soldier who is taking care of your security?) |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
67
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:02:00 -
[4162] - Quote
I've never used any of the ingame voice comms, if there even are any, but could they set it up to automatically load new "chat channels" as you leave one room and into another. Stll not very useful if you have a room full of people unless you could limit sound somehow to be just within a small radius. That way, a room full of people are not talking at once.
I see a ton of possibilities to be had but not sure if people would use them. For example, you could have corp meetings be done "in person" in a conference room but outside game tools like TS make this useless. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3564
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:04:00 -
[4163] - Quote
I would love to be able to have dust 514 mercs hired for security jobs into dangerous places.
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Glockshna Quant
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:44:00 -
[4164] - Quote
Abandon all avatar based gameplay. |
Sponge Blib
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:49:00 -
[4165] - Quote
Abigail Aldornia wrote:If WiS is goinjg to look like the one they showed ages ago + their current idea`s of exploring abandoned station then its going to be awsome. (Maybe mix it with a Pod pilot and a Dust514 soldier who is taking care of your security?)
So much this. I could see in a future loging into EVE and being able to choose between our pod pilot or his Dust minion. Maybe even our ships being able to fit Dust Clone modules for exploration and stuff, and by stuff I mean board Titans to destroy them from inside. Pure win. |
Severian Carnifex
115
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:25:00 -
[4166] - Quote
That video is epic!!!
So... Our stations pretty safe... And unknown station - danger...
I like ti...
And hope to see it in a year. |
Grim Vandal
Burn Proof
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:37:00 -
[4167] - Quote
Before ANY of this give EVE a new physic engine.
I mean you have spend years for WIS while you could have used that time to revamp DESTINY !!! Such a great name for such a bad engine.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1298
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:42:00 -
[4168] - Quote
borderline nude would be stripper bar maids with guns, serving brewskies to gambling patrons in low sec establishments
that is all |
Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:05:00 -
[4169] - Quote
WIS is part of the future of EVE, sooner or latter. They just need to find a way to connect WIS with the rest of the game. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
642
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:14:00 -
[4170] - Quote
Inovy Dacella wrote:WIS is part of the future of EVE, sooner or latter. They just need to find a way to connect WIS with the rest of the game.
Yep, just work out how to do it properly then do it properly - will be epic. |
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Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:20:00 -
[4171] - Quote
Glockshna Quant wrote:Abandon all avatar based gameplay. Are saying no one should want what you don't want? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
378
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:31:00 -
[4172] - Quote
Inovy Dacella wrote:WIS is part of the future of EVE, sooner or latter. They just need to find a way to connect WIS with the rest of the game.
That's nice as a long term goal, but i would be frankly relieved if they were actually doing something with what we got now (and i mean something more than keep finishing all the 90% - 80% - 70% complete leftovers of Incarna, like -hmph!- sleeve tattoos).
It feels like they were saying "I will be married with a child in three years, but now just leave alone in the basement while i plan doing it, m'kay?" EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
bornaa
GRiD.
137
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:51:00 -
[4173] - Quote
That videos are nice, giving some hope that WiS will come. But, this FanFest was so disturbingly quiet regarding WiS. :/ |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
378
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:06:00 -
[4174] - Quote
bornaa wrote:That videos are nice, giving some hope that WiS will come. But, this FanFest was so disturbingly quiet regarding WiS. :/
Yep. I was somehow interested when I heard that Torfi Trans had displayed a video of some dancing avatar... i downloaded the whole EVE keynote video and then found out it was just that silly fan-made animation with three guys watching TV that's been running around for a while.
Dunno what I was expecting, as they don't even seemed to notice how some of their avatars wearing sleeve tattoos also wore NEX items still unreleased since Incarna... EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
60
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:10:00 -
[4175] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:That's nice as a long term goal, but i would be frankly relieved if they were actually doing something with what we got now (and i mean something more than keep finishing all the 90% - 80% - 70% complete leftovers of Incarna, like -hmph!- sleeve tattoos).
I'm still waiting for all the clothing that's listed in the market but you can't actually get and the whole "Achura are using the old underwear models" or whatever the problem is to be fixed. Neither of them in their current state take away from my experience with the game, but still, they would be very nice to have.
bornaa wrote: But, this FanFest was so disturbingly quiet regarding WiS. :/
Well, to my knowledge, they still don't have a clear cut goal in mind for WiS so they probably don't want to promise too much, or anything at all for that matter lol, before they're confident that it can and/or will be done. That and the fact they wanted to focus on spaceships for the upcoming year. It does suck us WiS fans didn't get much, but waiting never killed anybody.
...well I mean unless you were waiting for an ambulance or something and you bled out before it got there. But technically the wait didn't kill you...whatever caused the wound is to blame if we're being perfectly honest here. What was I saying again? oh yeah, waiting. yes lol. Well yeah, the act of waiting itself never killed anyone so until that day comes when we can /highfive the hell outta each other , we just have to keep on flying and blowing stuff up. Captain of the Battlestar Carebear |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
378
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:25:00 -
[4176] - Quote
Baby ChuChu wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:That's nice as a long term goal, but i would be frankly relieved if they were actually doing something with what we got now (and i mean something more than keep finishing all the 90% - 80% - 70% complete leftovers of Incarna, like -hmph!- sleeve tattoos). I'm still waiting for all the clothing that's listed in the market but you can't actually get and the whole "Achura are using the old underwear models" or whatever the problem is to be fixed. Neither of them in their current state take away from my experience with the game, but still, they would be very nice to have.
Yes, it's the little details like those. Well, in a way, anything related to the NEx may not be "small" as perceived from CCP, but it hurts to see the break between what we ask (the bloody 150+ items, or a fix to squint eyes) and what we get (sleeve tatoos? Seriously? How many clothes actually show nude arms, for fuk's sake!? And, tattooed Amarrian??)
So we got "old" Achura models, squint eyes, unreleased NEx items, ludicrous NEx prices for the few released items (and those subject to 80% devaluation in Jita)... then they promise new cool features like race blending... but all in all we still are a motionless dummy alone in a soulless showroom.
Do they ask players what we want? Certainly not. Do they listen? Doesn't seem so. Is there a chance the CSM concern themselves? Only a tiny slim one...
Darn, it's so good my subcription eventually expires next month. I am growing perma-bitter... EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Flamespar
Woof Club
319
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:41:00 -
[4177] - Quote
Hi all
After watching the latest CCP video, I had some thoughts on how exploration gameplay in Incarna could work.
I started a thread here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87487&find=unread
Feel free to add I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
107
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:45:00 -
[4178] - Quote
Last I heard the future plan for THE WIS is to spend Mitten's 10 billion isk while attempting not to be suicide ganked by a bunch of PO'd Goonies "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1386
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:21:00 -
[4179] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Last I heard the future plan for THE WIS is to spend Mitten's 10 billion isk while attempting not to be suicide ganked by a bunch of PO'd Goonies
Not sure if that is the plan but sadly the mittens apology thread may become bigger than this one! Gah!
Actually, to the ambulation opponents you can't deny that multiple repeats of the vision video which almost all about ambulation says CCP still shares a vision in and outside space ships.
We must get them to open that door!!
Issler |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
343
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:24:00 -
[4180] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Last I heard the future plan for THE WIS is to spend Mitten's 10 billion isk while attempting not to be suicide ganked by a bunch of PO'd Goonies Not sure if that is the plan but sadly the mittens apology thread may become bigger than this one! Gah! Actually, to the ambulation opponents you can't deny that multiple repeats of the vision video which almost all about ambulation says CCP still shares a vision in and outside space ships. We must get them to open that door!! Issler
the only parts of ambulation im interested in right now is are we going to be able to interact in lobbies with dust players? |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
325
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:27:00 -
[4181] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:[ Not sure if that is the plan but sadly the mittens apology thread may become bigger than this one! Gah! Issler
Nah.
EVE needs WiS, it does not need Mittens. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
516
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:41:00 -
[4182] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:[ Not sure if that is the plan but sadly the mittens apology thread may become bigger than this one! Gah! Issler Nah. EVE needs WiS, it does not need Mittens.
Who is Mittens pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
108
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:44:00 -
[4183] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:[ Not sure if that is the plan but sadly the mittens apology thread may become bigger than this one! Gah! Issler Nah. EVE needs WiS, it does not need Mittens.
Sadly if you add the Mittens threads pages about THE WIS ice mining pilot whom got ganked by goonies it is already longer & I guess we do need more ice a topes then hi sec suicide gankers :) We do though need less bots
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
108
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:46:00 -
[4184] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Flamespar wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:[ Not sure if that is the plan but sadly the mittens apology thread may become bigger than this one! Gah! Issler Nah. EVE needs WiS, it does not need Mittens. Who is Mittens
What we really need is Mintchiplol in WiS and less of Mittens talking about THE WIS in the forums "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
270
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:46:00 -
[4185] - Quote
200th Page!!!!! Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Geodeath
Fist of God
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:00:00 -
[4186] - Quote
I was totally underwhelmed with WiS at introduction. Now I don't even bother. I would rather be in space vs being in station anyway. When I feel the need to have a cool body and clothes to talk to other gamers, I fire up Star Trek Online or Life2. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
516
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:00:00 -
[4187] - Quote
We all know that WIS will be a long way to go.
Some devs are prototyping some stuff as rhey mentioned
Maybe some devs could explain here whats is done so far maybe some screens or vids from some tryouts
Now Fanfest is done they could come in this thread more and share their ideas with us . asking for ideas and not replying is a one way communication If you say that you have devoted 4 devs and QA to WIS ,at least show some stuff
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Pixxie Twilight
77
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:15:00 -
[4188] - Quote
To give Incarna props, hype about it did bring me into Eve, and I stayed.
That said, I've really taken to the in space part of the game. I see the game more completely than I did in the beginning, so it's only natural that my scope has grown to appreciate inspace content development. This is why the fact that WiS is on the backburner doesn't bother me.
When they do eventually get back to it, I'm expecting 2 things: player owned establishments, and the ability to hang out in them with my ingame friends and/or enemies. Dance emotes etc would just be icing.
Cheers,
Pixxie T >^^< ****~~~ NEW PLAYER PODCAST ~ -áPIXXIE'S EVE ONLINE PODCAST ~~~**** ******Latest Episode** EPISODE 8 ** SWTOR ** NULLSEC PVP ** CSM****** ~~~~~~~~~-á On iTunes and at http://pixxietwilight.podbean.com/ ~~~~~~~~~ |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
60
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:34:00 -
[4189] - Quote
Pixxie Twilight wrote:To give Incarna props, hype about it did bring me into Eve, and I stayed.
That said, I've really taken to the in space part of the game. I see the game more completely than I did in the beginning, so it's only natural that my scope has grown to appreciate inspace content development. This is why the fact that WiS is on the backburner doesn't bother me.
Looks like you and me have something in common. The moment I heard about Incarna, I made an account, downloaded the trial and the rest is history. The more I played though, the more I appreciated spaceships and the serious business that comes with them haha. I do still really want WiS, but hey, I'm chillin in my ship blowin stuff up and life is good.
Quote:When they do eventually get back to it, I'm expecting 2 things: player owned establishments, and the ability to hang out in them with my ingame friends and/or enemies. Dance emotes etc would just be icing. Cheers, Pixxie T >^^<
PoEs would be the absolutel shiznit for me lol. I would love to open up my own little Omega (Mass Effect 2) or End of Line (Tron) where people could just come and chill. Only difference for my club would be I want neon everything so when you walk in your eyes just start sizzling then the one guy who actually wears sunglasses indoors can strut on it like it's nothin haha. Seriously though, I would like some sort of establishments...anything will do for me really. I do want to 'open uo my own place' though. I just like the idea of owning my own little pad in-game lol.
To go off on a slight tangent though, did someone mention during a fanfest panel something about modular POS and ones that are manageable by one person and/or a small corp? I could've sworn a presenter glossed over it for a bit, but I don't remember. I think I was doing something else at the time so I kept catching bits and pieces of the presentation. Anywho, if that is true, it'd be cool to hear more about that. I mean if we do get POEs one day, modular stations with tons of different designs that don't require much management would be a really nice touch to have. Captain of the Battlestar Carebear |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
384
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:55:00 -
[4190] - Quote
Pixxie Twilight wrote:To give Incarna props, hype about it did bring me into Eve, and I stayed. That said, I've really taken to the in space part of the game. I see the game more completely than I did in the beginning, so it's only natural that my scope has grown to appreciate inspace content development. This is why the fact that WiS is on the backburner doesn't bother me. When they do eventually get back to it, I'm expecting 2 things: player owned establishments, and the ability to hang out in them with my ingame friends and/or enemies. Dance emotes etc would just be icing. Cheers, Pixxie T >^^<
Huh, I walked the opposite way, came in interested about spaceship stuff, had some disappointments with it and eventually found a little niche, then the niche exhausted and i began interesting myself in the new avatars.
Knowing what i do know today, probably i should had left EVE in my first year, when it became apparent that what really caught my interest was a utterly broken feature that, three years later, still is as broken as always has been.
This game really has nothing else to offer but gang PvP, and the only PvP i am interesed with is becoming a vigilante and make life miserable to griefers. Mechanics don't allow it and so I don't really have a reason to bother overcoming my natural aversion to losing stuff an then going through the boring repetitive effort of rebuilding it again and again and again.
I've come to a point where not even salvager drones can make me go back to mission running... mining agaisnt botters is a waste of time... and bounty hunting is even in worst shape.
Oh, and WiS is non-existant and the plans are to keep it that way for years while plans are planned. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:57:00 -
[4191] - Quote
I'll get behind ambulation when they offer the option to watch Roadhouse on our captains quarter's screen. CCP, make it happen. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:58:00 -
[4192] - Quote
Seriously, Roadhouse is a great movie. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
99
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:59:00 -
[4193] - Quote
Issler, you are out of here. You don't have the right temperament for the trade.
There's alway's barber college! "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:06:00 -
[4194] - Quote
If they do archaeology by going into abandoned ruins?
Cant they boost hacking by going into secure automated facilities and stealing software?
-Vix |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
60
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:11:00 -
[4195] - Quote
Open up your heart and let the Patrick Swayze Christmas in. We'll gather at the Road House with our next of kin. And Santa can be our regular Saturday night thing. We'll decorate a barstool and gather round and sing. Oh, let's have a Patrick Swayze Christmas this year! Or we'll tear your throat out and kick you in the ear...
It's my way or the highway, this Christmas at my bar. I'll have to smash your kneecaps if you bastards touch my car! I got the word that Santa has been stealing from the till. I think that that right jolly old elf had better make out his will! Oh, let's have a Patrick Swayze Christmas, one and all. And this can be the haziest... This can be the laziest... This can be the Swayziest Christmas of them all! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1313
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:33:00 -
[4196] - Quote
WTF?
Seeing all the 'Goon Clowns on Parade' in this thread makes me think the Circus is coming to town, er WiS.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:07:00 -
[4197] - Quote
Confirming I am a clown. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
339
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:13:00 -
[4198] - Quote
I am a meat popsicle I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Thirum Aninoda
Borderline Combat Unit
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:15:00 -
[4199] - Quote
I'd like to have WiS,
....
....
BUT the Spaceships should have priority!
Not sure how to describe my idea, but what if some stuff that we already do simply in the Market, is get "forced" to be done by WiS, like Contraband-Dealing (Drugs, Slaves, ...). Other stuff could be some kind of Warhistoryroom, that simulates Fights that were somehow important or even educative. This are just ideas, that would add something to the world, without disturbing the "balance". |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:39:00 -
[4200] - Quote
No-one here said that make WiS instead of FiS.
We just want WiS. We want what is promised to us. We want back ppl who left when CCP told they are putting WiS on the ice. |
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bornaa
GRiD.
138
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:08:00 -
[4201] - Quote
Writing a BIG 4000. post! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1377
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:11:00 -
[4202] - Quote
FAIL! lol EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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CCP Prime
C C P C C P Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:27:00 -
[4203] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go.
Some devs are prototyping some stuff as rhey mentioned
Maybe some devs could explain here whats is done so far maybe some screens or vids from some tryouts
Now Fanfest is done they could come in this thread more and share their ideas with us . asking for ideas and not replying is a one way communication If you say that you have devoted 4 devs and QA to WIS ,at least show some stuff
We are currently prototyping cooperative gameplay in hazardous environments. It's not beautiful, just programmer art mostly because we are focusing on trying out the gameplay.
At this point, I'd not want to share how it looks like, but those that came to the Avatar Roundtable at Fanfest got a demo and if someone got pictures, well, I guess those are then in the public domain by now :) |
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:31:00 -
[4204] - Quote
Do want WiS, especially if we cn meet with Dust players on the same lobby.
But maintaign focus on spaceships. |
Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
13
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:34:00 -
[4205] - Quote
CCP Prime wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go.
Some devs are prototyping some stuff as rhey mentioned
Maybe some devs could explain here whats is done so far maybe some screens or vids from some tryouts
Now Fanfest is done they could come in this thread more and share their ideas with us . asking for ideas and not replying is a one way communication If you say that you have devoted 4 devs and QA to WIS ,at least show some stuff
We are currently prototyping cooperative gameplay in hazardous environments. It's not beautiful, just programmer art mostly because we are focusing on trying out the gameplay. At this point, I'd not want to share how it looks like, but those that came to the Avatar Roundtable at Fanfest got a demo and if someone got pictures, well, I guess those are then in the public domain by now :)
Nice to hear your doing someithing like that. If you could please look at Dead Space gameplay as a bit of insperation for this it would be fun to have horror type gameplay where roge medical drones try to kill you with surgical instrements. Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Severian Carnifex
117
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:34:00 -
[4206] - Quote
CCP Prime wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go.
Some devs are prototyping some stuff as rhey mentioned
Maybe some devs could explain here whats is done so far maybe some screens or vids from some tryouts
Now Fanfest is done they could come in this thread more and share their ideas with us . asking for ideas and not replying is a one way communication If you say that you have devoted 4 devs and QA to WIS ,at least show some stuff
We are currently prototyping cooperative gameplay in hazardous environments. It's not beautiful, just programmer art mostly because we are focusing on trying out the gameplay. At this point, I'd not want to share how it looks like, but those that came to the Avatar Roundtable at Fanfest got a demo and if someone got pictures, well, I guess those are then in the public domain by now :)
Thnx a lot for this response.
And whats with old ideas that you promised us before, like common areas and shops??? I hope that will be given to us too.
You know, many people leave EVE because there is no social and RPG part of it, common areas and shops would solve that problem. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
238
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:45:00 -
[4207] - Quote
CCP Prime wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go.
Some devs are prototyping some stuff as rhey mentioned
Maybe some devs could explain here whats is done so far maybe some screens or vids from some tryouts
Now Fanfest is done they could come in this thread more and share their ideas with us . asking for ideas and not replying is a one way communication If you say that you have devoted 4 devs and QA to WIS ,at least show some stuff
We are currently prototyping cooperative gameplay in hazardous environments. It's not beautiful, just programmer art mostly because we are focusing on trying out the gameplay. At this point, I'd not want to share how it looks like, but those that came to the Avatar Roundtable at Fanfest got a demo and if someone got pictures, well, I guess those are then in the public domain by now :)
Thank you.
I have not find any pictures/recordings from that round table. Don't you guys in CCP have something on the tape?
And yea, i would like to see an answer on Severians question above. |
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CCP Prime
C C P C C P Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:55:00 -
[4208] - Quote
Severian Carnifex wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go. Thnx a lot for this response. And whats with old ideas that you promised us before, like common areas and shops??? I hope that will be given to us too. You know, many people leave EVE because there is no social and RPG part of it, common areas and shops would solve that problem.
Common areas and shops aren't part of what we are looking at now. We're focusing on prototyping gameplay and then iterating a bit on what is already in the game and touches upon avatars.
Feel free to ask us again about social spaces once something has come out of our current prototyping work. |
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:59:00 -
[4209] - Quote
A cloaked Guttripper watches Oldbutfeelingadventurous leave his ship and enter an ancient floating tomb of a ship. As Oldbutfeelingspringy's footsteps creak across the rotting metal carcass down the dark hallway, a light sprinkling of dust falls from the rafters, illuminated by his trusty helmet light. Finding nothing of worth after an extensive search, Oldbutfeelingempty retraces his steps back to his ship, a bit down on his lack of luck. Much to his dismay, his ship has been hijacked and is probably light years away in some back alley chop shop getting stripped for salvage parts. Oldbutfeelingquitealone is now stuck on a floating tomb of a ship with no way home...
I can see possibilities with this! |
Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:15:00 -
[4210] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:A cloaked Guttripper watches Oldbutfeelingadventurous leave his ship and enter an ancient floating tomb of a ship. As Oldbutfeelingspringy's footsteps creak across the rotting metal carcass down the dark hallway, a light sprinkling of dust falls from the rafters, illuminated by his trusty helmet light. Finding nothing of worth after an extensive search, Oldbutfeelingempty retraces his steps back to his ship, a bit down on his lack of luck. Much to his dismay, his ship has been hijacked and is probably light years away in some back alley chop shop getting stripped for salvage parts. Oldbutfeelingquitealone is now stuck on a floating tomb of a ship with no way home...I can see possibilities with this!
meh could hapen but you'd have to leave your ship behind if you wanted to do this. Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3579
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:49:00 -
[4211] - Quote
Yoma Karima wrote:CCP Prime wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go.
Some devs are prototyping some stuff as rhey mentioned
Maybe some devs could explain here whats is done so far maybe some screens or vids from some tryouts
Now Fanfest is done they could come in this thread more and share their ideas with us . asking for ideas and not replying is a one way communication If you say that you have devoted 4 devs and QA to WIS ,at least show some stuff
We are currently prototyping cooperative gameplay in hazardous environments. It's not beautiful, just programmer art mostly because we are focusing on trying out the gameplay. At this point, I'd not want to share how it looks like, but those that came to the Avatar Roundtable at Fanfest got a demo and if someone got pictures, well, I guess those are then in the public domain by now :) Nice to hear your doing someithing like that. If you could please look at Dead Space gameplay as a bit of insperation for this it would be fun to have horror type gameplay where roge medical drones try to kill you with surgical instrements.
Deadspace style combat would be acceptable as its much slower pace, maybe mix in some mass effect elements for the not so dungeon areas where higher paced combat may be required.
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Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:59:00 -
[4212] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:
Deadspace style combat would be acceptable as its much slower pace, maybe mix in some mass effect elements for the not so dungeon areas where higher paced combat may be required.
Higher paced combat? Like PvP or did you have something else in mind? Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3579
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:10:00 -
[4213] - Quote
Yoma Karima wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Deadspace style combat would be acceptable as its much slower pace, maybe mix in some mass effect elements for the not so dungeon areas where higher paced combat may be required.
Higher paced combat? Like PvP or did you have something else in mind?
Well I earlier stated going into automated factilites to steal software for hacking. The security there would probably frown upon you although hacking your way though the facility is perferrable you could shoot your way in as well I guess. Thats for the pve aspect though.
Our bodies are not normally augmented and preprogrammed like the dust bunnies are. We wouldnt be able to take a dust merc head on and win but it shouldnt allow us not to be able to shoot back at least at anything. So different kind of equipment and armor for us our out of pod picnics as well as fighting practices are needed. Also since it seems we are going though crowded envrionments making it cover rich and having the cover combat is more than sensibly possible.
The idea that we could possibly move the pvp OUT of the stations and into areas like these makes a hell lot more sense game wise.
If any pvp where to happen in stations it should remain underhanded espionage styled. Where you gank somone and they wont know it until hours later when the information you stole/interjected leads them to thier down fall.
PVP in these 'explore' zones should be possible but it would be like crashing an incursion in 0.0. the npcs/envrionment isnt going to give a darn who's side you are on.
In archeaology I can see it becoming a race to the artifact. Where opposing teams could find terminals that if hacked successfully and with a bit of luck would cause problems for the team on the other side of the facility. Direct Conforntation would probably only happen if you get in the artifact room the same time they do and the two of you cannot come to an agreement.
This leaves the question on undocking though if its a remote clone. Maybe have the facility attack the 'loser.'
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Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:24:00 -
[4214] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Yoma Karima wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Deadspace style combat would be acceptable as its much slower pace, maybe mix in some mass effect elements for the not so dungeon areas where higher paced combat may be required.
Higher paced combat? Like PvP or did you have something else in mind? Well I earlier stated going into automated factilites to steal software for hacking. The security there would probably frown upon you although hacking your way though the facility is perferrable you could shoot your way in as well I guess. Thats for the pve aspect though. Our bodies are not normally augmented and preprogrammed like the dust bunnies are. We wouldnt be able to take a dust merc head on and win but it shouldnt allow us not to be able to shoot back at least at anything. So different kind of equipment and armor for us our out of pod picnics as well as fighting practices are needed. Also since it seems we are going though crowded envrionments making it cover rich and having the cover combat is more than sensibly possible. The idea that we could possibly move the pvp OUT of the stations and into areas like these makes a hell lot more sense game wise. If any pvp where to happen in stations it should remain underhanded espionage styled. Where you gank somone and they wont know it until hours later when the information you stole/interjected leads them to thier down fall. PVP in these 'explore' zones should be possible but it would be like crashing an incursion in 0.0. the npcs/envrionment isnt going to give a darn who's side you are on. In archeaology I can see it becoming a race to the artifact. Where opposing teams could find terminals that if hacked successfully and with a bit of luck would cause problems for the team on the other side of the facility. Direct Conforntation would probably only happen if you get in the artifact room the same time they do and the two of you cannot come to an agreement. This leaves the question on undocking though if its a remote clone. Maybe have the facility attack the 'loser.'
You could always just grab the artifact and run back to your ship its always easyer to get out of an empty dungon than it is to go into a "Full" one. just a thought.
maybe some sort of zeroG function that has you fly down an airless vent to get back to your ship? Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Yiole Gionglao
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:16:00 -
[4215] - Quote
CCP Prime wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go. Thnx a lot for this response. And whats with old ideas that you promised us before, like common areas and shops??? I hope that will be given to us too. You know, many people leave EVE because there is no social and RPG part of it, common areas and shops would solve that problem. Common areas and shops aren't part of what we are looking at now. We're focusing on prototyping gameplay and then iterating a bit on what is already in the game and touches upon avatars. Feel free to ask us again about social spaces once something has come out of our current prototyping work.
Iterating avatars? Well... look at my eyes, closely, here:
https://image.eveonline.com/Character/90019341_1024.jpg
Can you see something wrong with them? Maybe, how they're squint, misaligned, one looks to Atlanta and the other to Chicago? Squint eyes, they've been like that since Incursion.
Would be nice if someone checked this. |
bornaa
GRiD.
140
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:44:00 -
[4216] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
LOL
But its not my fault when on index of forum it says 3999 posts i post 4000. And then in topic my post is 4001. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
390
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:51:00 -
[4217] - Quote
CCP Prime wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go.
Some devs are prototyping some stuff as rhey mentioned
Maybe some devs could explain here whats is done so far maybe some screens or vids from some tryouts
Now Fanfest is done they could come in this thread more and share their ideas with us . asking for ideas and not replying is a one way communication If you say that you have devoted 4 devs and QA to WIS ,at least show some stuff
We are currently prototyping cooperative gameplay in hazardous environments. It's not beautiful, just programmer art mostly because we are focusing on trying out the gameplay. At this point, I'd not want to share how it looks like, but those that came to the Avatar Roundtable at Fanfest got a demo and if someone got pictures, well, I guess those are then in the public domain by now :)
So we essentially are gonna get Lvl 80 raids with the twist that the one who LeroyJenkins his team can steal everybody's Marauders on top of it? EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:46:00 -
[4218] - Quote
CCP Prime wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go. Thnx a lot for this response. And whats with old ideas that you promised us before, like common areas and shops??? I hope that will be given to us too. You know, many people leave EVE because there is no social and RPG part of it, common areas and shops would solve that problem. Common areas and shops aren't part of what we are looking at now. We're focusing on prototyping gameplay and then iterating a bit on what is already in the game and touches upon avatars. Feel free to ask us again about social spaces once something has come out of our current prototyping work. Can you give us an idea of when something might "come out of" your current prototyping work?
I really think some social areas should be near the top of the list in the next steps of WiS. If Dust releases without EVE players and Dust players being able to share some social areas I think it would be a shame. If Dust players who are new to the EVE universe get to socialise with EVE players and learn more about EVE through that interaction, it will help retain them, and possibly convince them to jump in a ship too. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
596
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:51:00 -
[4219] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote: Can you give us an idea of when something might "come out of" your current prototyping work?
Soon(TM)
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Flamespar
Woof Club
346
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:17:00 -
[4220] - Quote
Hey CCP. Can we beta test your prototypes :P I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3582
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:00:00 -
[4221] - Quote
CCP said they only need 5 people to see if its fun or not also I imagine the prototypes are not 'deployable'
It probably look like a cyberspace grid with circles with arrows in them and squars all over the place.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
390
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:26:00 -
[4222] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:CCP said they only need 5 people to see if its fun or not also I imagine the prototypes are not 'deployable'
It probably look like a cyberspace grid with circles with arrows in them and squars all over the place.
I am wondering what does prototyping mean... are they testing actual code w/o graphics? Or t's just like putting together a bunch of Lego figuriens and drag them on paper maps?
And anyway I repeat myself again: social content is the mother of emergent gameplay. This is a kind of a RPG game after all. Dungeon raiding may be fun to have, but, it's not a if there weren't any other games doing exactly the same... EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Avila Cracko
268
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:48:00 -
[4223] - Quote
I just must put this question here:
Can we have The wizard hat???
That's the monument of EVEs history. truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3582
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:58:00 -
[4224] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nova Fox wrote:CCP said they only need 5 people to see if its fun or not also I imagine the prototypes are not 'deployable'
It probably look like a cyberspace grid with circles with arrows in them and squars all over the place. I am wondering what does prototyping mean... are they testing actual code w/o graphics? Or t's just like putting together a bunch of Lego figuriens and drag them on paper maps? And anyway I repeat myself again: social content is the mother of emergent gameplay. This is a kind of a RPG game after all. Dungeon raiding may be fun to have, but, it's not a if there weren't any other games doing exactly the same...
The grid thing is actually like third phase in some development areas which at that point if you do not see it fun as a system then then likely its not going to be fun when you skin it all up.
The lego/paper thing is usually phase one this is where they show it off to the rest of the office and get thier feed back or possibly us as well.
The game play though code alone is phase two in some places often to test for vaibility (can we program this?)
This helps avoide deploying expensive assests to the project if the end product is deemed... not fun at all.
This is only however based on my limited knowledge of game development I dont work at ccp and can only guess how things work around there.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
576
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:23:00 -
[4225] - Quote
CCP Prime wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go.
Some devs are prototyping some stuff as rhey mentioned
Maybe some devs could explain here whats is done so far maybe some screens or vids from some tryouts
Now Fanfest is done they could come in this thread more and share their ideas with us . asking for ideas and not replying is a one way communication If you say that you have devoted 4 devs and QA to WIS ,at least show some stuff
We are currently prototyping cooperative gameplay in hazardous environments. It's not beautiful, just programmer art mostly because we are focusing on trying out the gameplay. At this point, I'd not want to share how it looks like, but those that came to the Avatar Roundtable at Fanfest got a demo and if someone got pictures, well, I guess those are then in the public domain by now :)
Hey, this sounds like it'd be awesome. :)
I am definitely interested in seeing the products of this. But yes, some of the social areas should definitely be on your Radar as part of this good stuff.
I am excited to see what you come out with!
And if someone has those pictures, get them to us!
Are you looking more at a First Person Shooter style? Or more like a 3rd person interactive environment with limited violence?
What kind of input can we give you right now for the long term stuff that will help you out the most?
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
oldbutfeelingyoung
520
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:25:00 -
[4226] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:A cloaked Guttripper watches Oldbutfeelingadventurous leave his ship and enter an ancient floating tomb of a ship. As Oldbutfeelingspringy's footsteps creak across the rotting metal carcass down the dark hallway, a light sprinkling of dust falls from the rafters, illuminated by his trusty helmet light. Finding nothing of worth after an extensive search, Oldbutfeelingempty retraces his steps back to his ship, a bit down on his lack of luck. Much to his dismay, his ship has been hijacked and is probably light years away in some back alley chop shop getting stripped for salvage parts. Oldbutfeelingquitealone is now stuck on a floating tomb of a ship with no way home...I can see possibilities with this!
+1 Oldbut likes this ,at least some risk at leaving your ship,even that Oldbut is a bit of a carebear.
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3584
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:19:00 -
[4227] - Quote
3rd person would work best. A Deadspace/Mass Effect Hybrid for combat (possibly a toggable mode) Deadspace better suited for dark envrionments where stealth and calm are required. The Mass effect one better suited when you can see far ways down and engage the entire room.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
456
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:35:00 -
[4228] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:3rd person would work best.
Ugh, I hate third person, it is very unnatural to me. The last time I had a third person view of myself in real life I ... well that's about all I remember from that night.
3rd person is only going to work if we're not doing twitch play, and the ceiling is something we'll be able to see through, forcing the camera down to adjust for a low celing is forcing us look at our av's backs half the time and not the environment. With all the time and effort CCP is going to put into this, I'd prefer to see the eye candy and not my AV's back.
Optional/toggle 3rd person / 1st person gives the best oppertunity for a multitude of environments and situations. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3585
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:38:00 -
[4229] - Quote
Adunh Slavy wrote:Nova Fox wrote:3rd person would work best. Ugh, I hate third person, it is very unnatural to me. The last time I had a third person view of myself in real life I ... well that's about all I remember from that night. 3rd person is only going to work if we're not doing twitch play, and the ceiling is something we'll be able to see through, forcing the camera down to adjust for a low celing is forcing us look at our av's backs half the time and not the environment. With all the time and effort CCP is going to put into this, I'd prefer to see the eye candy and not my AV's back. Optional/toggle 3rd person / 1st person gives the best oppertunity for a multitude of environments and situations.
This is quite dificult to pull off though but if they perfect it it would be awsome.
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Xervish Krin
Shiva Furnace
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:39:00 -
[4230] - Quote
I know it seems the course for the immediate future of WiS is now set, but I'd still like to point out that the Jita riots, the unsubs and the uproar weren't because people hated social environments, casinos and smuggling. They were because we were promised those things, many were invested in them, and then we didn't get them, or any real gameply to replace them.
The EVAs in hostile environments sound awesome, but please don't let the summer of rage scrap all the old plans - some of them were really good - it was the fact that they were never delivered that sparked outrage. I for one still want to gamble and smuggle in a seedy bar. |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3585
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:42:00 -
[4231] - Quote
Gameplay first Nicenessities later.
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
69
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:43:00 -
[4232] - Quote
I played Skyrim in 3rd person and it worked great. Though I believe when I was in battle, I switched to first person. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
66
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:46:00 -
[4233] - Quote
We will get walking in stations, but development of that will be on hold until the outdated portions of eve get fixed. Poses, sov warfare, faction warfare, pve is all rather outdated and needs to be improved. When the balance is back, and people can enjoy the main parts of eve without grief, I am sure the will begin development on it again. |
Oxylan
1 Caldaryjski Pluton Uderzeniowy
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:17:00 -
[4234] - Quote
202 pages about one room caled WIS... That's hilarious. |
Tristan North
I.Net Academy
82
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:39:00 -
[4235] - Quote
Oxylan wrote:202 pages about one room caled WIS... That's hilarious. The way you read those pages... That's hilarious.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3587
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:03:00 -
[4236] - Quote
Oxylan wrote:202 pages about one room caled WIS... That's hilarious.
and if you read the last two pages youll see we havent been talking about captains quaters at all.
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Severian Carnifex
123
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:30:00 -
[4237] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Prime wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go.
Some devs are prototyping some stuff as rhey mentioned
Maybe some devs could explain here whats is done so far maybe some screens or vids from some tryouts
Now Fanfest is done they could come in this thread more and share their ideas with us . asking for ideas and not replying is a one way communication If you say that you have devoted 4 devs and QA to WIS ,at least show some stuff
We are currently prototyping cooperative gameplay in hazardous environments. It's not beautiful, just programmer art mostly because we are focusing on trying out the gameplay. At this point, I'd not want to share how it looks like, but those that came to the Avatar Roundtable at Fanfest got a demo and if someone got pictures, well, I guess those are then in the public domain by now :) Hey, this sounds like it'd be awesome. :) I am definitely interested in seeing the products of this. But yes, some of the social areas should definitely be on your Radar as part of this good stuff. I am excited to see what you come out with! And if someone has those pictures, get them to us! Are you looking more at a First Person Shooter style? Or more like a 3rd person interactive environment with limited violence? What kind of input can we give you right now for the long term stuff that will help you out the most?
I think that FPS stile don't suit EVE at all. Limited violence is ok.
But, i think that social part of it must be one of the priorities. |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:55:00 -
[4238] - Quote
I have to agree third person allows you to step back and look at things better.
-Vix |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
19
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:03:00 -
[4239] - Quote
I for one think the WIS is pretty baddass, he made a pompous daddys boy who was fed with a silver spoon his whole life actually recieve some negative attention. Not to mention denied him from getting his way for once in his life. The WIS ~ by far the coolest guy on the planet imho!
Oh that WIS sorry couldnt resist, has that been done yet btw? So my post is on topic, I fully support walking in stations and the WIS I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.03.30 06:35:00 -
[4240] - Quote
Mathias Hex wrote:I for one think the WIS is pretty baddass, he made a pompous daddys boy who was fed with a silver spoon his whole life actually recieve some negative attention. Not to mention denied him from getting his way for once in his life. The WIS ~ by far the coolest guy on the planet imho!
Oh that WIS sorry couldnt resist, has that been done yet btw? So my post is on topic, I fully support walking in stations and the WIS
Read the last two pages seems they're excited over the stuff mentioned at fan fest -Vix
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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:51:00 -
[4241] - Quote
WiS would only be interesting to if you can walk up to someone's avatar and put a bullet or laser bolt through their character's brainpan...
I'm writing me up a nice little hit list just in case. |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:58:00 -
[4242] - Quote
Arkady Vachon wrote:WiS would only be interesting to if you can walk up to someone's avatar and put a bullet or laser bolt through their character's brainpan...
I'm writing me up a nice little hit list just in case.
Cool ill put all of CAS on a hit list. -Vix |
Severian Carnifex
131
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:20:00 -
[4243] - Quote
Sorry, but... where are 3 pages of posts?????????? this thread was on 203. or 204. page and now its on 201. page????? and, lastest posts on the last couple of pages that i checked are here. So i dont understand. CCP deleted posts that were posted in the past????
i saw something like this before but i thought i was wrong but now i must ask Why??? If they were not problem then, why are they problem now? |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
251
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:30:00 -
[4244] - Quote
Yeah, that's strange, did they delete recent posts or old? |
Severian Carnifex
131
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:34:00 -
[4245] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Yeah, that's strange, did they delete recent posts or old?
All recent posts are here. (i think, on last couple of pages)
And this is not the first time, just i could not believe last times so i did not say anything.
They deleted older posts.
Maybe this thread is too big for them. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
251
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 16:40:00 -
[4246] - Quote
CCP Prime wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go. Thnx a lot for this response. And whats with old ideas that you promised us before, like common areas and shops??? I hope that will be given to us too. You know, many people leave EVE because there is no social and RPG part of it, common areas and shops would solve that problem. Common areas and shops aren't part of what we are looking at now. We're focusing on prototyping gameplay and then iterating a bit on what is already in the game and touches upon avatars. Feel free to ask us again about social spaces once something has come out of our current prototyping work.
I missed this post previously... That's really good to hear
I was never interested in going into shops/stores in a station or clicking buttons to dance in a virtual club, but the idea that that would one day expand into us being able to explore planets or go on avatar based missions (Mass effect style) is what peaked my interest in game.
I hope that you guys are given the resources to bring the sleeper base exploration thing to life. |
Avila Cracko
283
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:10:00 -
[4247] - Quote
Severian Carnifex wrote:Sorry, but... where are 3 pages of posts?????????? this thread was on 203. or 204. page and now its on 201. page????? and, lastest posts on the last couple of pages that i checked are here. So i dont understand. CCP deleted posts that were posted in the past???? i saw something like this before but i thought i was wrong but now i must ask Why??? If they were not problem then, why are they problem now?
Severian Carnifex wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Yeah, that's strange, did they delete recent posts or old? All recent posts are here. (i think, on last couple of pages) And this is not the first time, just i could not believe last times so i did not say anything. They deleted older posts. Maybe this thread is too big for them.
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3600
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:13:00 -
[4248] - Quote
have we hit the theoretical limits of this forum? Unpossible?
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1944
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:09:00 -
[4249] - Quote
Ambulation team, a question, you are monitoring this thread, can you tell us what happened to multiple pages of posts?
Issler |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:17:00 -
[4250] - Quote
Stellar Vix wrote:Arkady Vachon wrote:WiS would only be interesting to if you can walk up to someone's avatar and put a bullet or laser bolt through their character's brainpan...
I'm writing me up a nice little hit list just in case. Cool ill put all of CAS on a hit list. -Vix
Feeling's mutual with SWA, no safe place in this conflict. :) |
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bornaa
GRiD.
160
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Posted - 2012.03.30 20:08:00 -
[4251] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Ambulation team, a question, you are monitoring this thread, can you tell us what happened to multiple pages of posts?
Issler
These wipes was here and before... And I would like to know why too.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
647
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Posted - 2012.03.30 20:13:00 -
[4252] - Quote
CCP removes posts when enough people report them. Some goonies recently got forum banned for forum rule violations.
See where I am going?
Most of you should also know CCP will not discuss forum moderation.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Severian Carnifex
134
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Posted - 2012.03.30 20:37:00 -
[4253] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:CCP removes posts when enough people report them. Some goonies recently got forum banned for forum rule violations.
See where I am going?
Most of you should also know CCP will not discuss forum moderation.
I don't dispute that. I ask why that posts were not problem in the past when they were actual, and are problem today (and got deleted today)? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
413
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 20:39:00 -
[4254] - Quote
Oxylan wrote:202 pages about one room caled WIS... That's hilarious.
Huh... so now former page 202 is page 199? WTF happened to this thread? EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
bornaa
GRiD.
160
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Posted - 2012.03.30 20:43:00 -
[4255] - Quote
^^ This my post was posted like 4001. post (i ****** up, index of forums showed 3999 and it don't count OP so it was not 4000.) now that same post is #3963.
So 38 old posts were deleted from this thread and this is not first time. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
647
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Posted - 2012.03.30 20:52:00 -
[4256] - Quote
Severian Carnifex wrote:Doc Fury wrote:CCP removes posts when enough people report them. Some goonies recently got forum banned for forum rule violations.
See where I am going?
Most of you should also know CCP will not discuss forum moderation.
I don't dispute that. I ask why that posts were not problem in the past when they were actual, and are problem today (and got deleted today)?
Probably because CCP's forum moderation is abysmal even on good days. Threads that should not last 10 minutes on a properly monitored forum can last 2 or more days here before CCP gets around to removing or moderating them. EXCEPT when there is a huge scandal.
A player or two probably went through and reported posts in this thread, and because CCP was doing a lot of moderation the last couple of days they got around to reviewing and removing them.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1946
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Posted - 2012.03.30 20:57:00 -
[4257] - Quote
I reported a number of posts weeks ago, they may just have a huge backlog. I'd love to think at least one of the frequent "pants" posters ended up with a dose of the ban-hammer!
Issler |
Aiifa
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
36
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Posted - 2012.03.30 21:04:00 -
[4258] - Quote
I suggest showing the wis how to use sisi
then he can mine ice in peace for ever |
bornaa
GRiD.
160
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:57:00 -
[4259] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:Doc Fury wrote:CCP removes posts when enough people report them. Some goonies recently got forum banned for forum rule violations.
See where I am going?
Most of you should also know CCP will not discuss forum moderation.
I don't dispute that. I ask why that posts were not problem in the past when they were actual, and are problem today (and got deleted today)? Probably because CCP's forum moderation is abysmal even on good days. Threads that should not last 10 minutes on a properly monitored forum can last 2 or more days here before CCP gets around to removing or moderating them. EXCEPT when there is a huge scandal. A player or two probably went through and reported posts in this thread, and because CCP was doing a lot of moderation the last couple of days they got around to reviewing and removing them.
I hope that's the case.
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Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.03.30 23:09:00 -
[4260] - Quote
Arkady Vachon wrote:Stellar Vix wrote:Arkady Vachon wrote:WiS would only be interesting to if you can walk up to someone's avatar and put a bullet or laser bolt through their character's brainpan...
I'm writing me up a nice little hit list just in case. Cool ill put all of CAS on a hit list. -Vix Feeling's mutual with SWA, no safe place in this conflict. :)
SWA already claims rookie space superiority, station conquest only a small leap away.
-Vix |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
521
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:36:00 -
[4261] - Quote
As long only the trolling is removed ,who cares how many pages this thread has
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:39:00 -
[4262] - Quote
ppl discussing wis for and against 200+ pages over months vs ppl discussing the mittani for and against 200+ pages + multiple threadnaughts over a matter of days
still proud now, OP?
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oldbutfeelingyoung
522
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:54:00 -
[4263] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:ppl discussing wis for and against 200+ pages over months vs ppl discussing the mittani for and against 200+ pages + multiple threadnaughts over a matter of days
still proud now, OP?
So your point is what? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Avila Cracko
285
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 10:29:00 -
[4264] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:ppl discussing wis for and against 200+ pages over months vs ppl discussing the mittani for and against 200+ pages + multiple threadnaughts over a matter of days
still proud now, OP?
So your point is what?
I think his point it that 1800 goons (i read somewhere that that many of BCs going to jita so not writing all 8000+ number) are literate enough to write 3 post each to they are bragging about it. truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Tristan North
I.Net Academy
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 10:53:00 -
[4265] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:ppl discussing wis for and against 200+ pages over months vs ppl discussing the mittani for and against 200+ pages + multiple threadnaughts over a matter of days
still proud now, OP?
FiS news at fanfest and just few threads about it. So, this prove that the community don't give a **** about the entire game, it's just massive trolling. Still proud?
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bornaa
GRiD.
163
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:35:00 -
[4266] - Quote
Tristan North wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:ppl discussing wis for and against 200+ pages over months vs ppl discussing the mittani for and against 200+ pages + multiple threadnaughts over a matter of days
still proud now, OP?
FiS news at fanfest and just few threads about it. So, this prove that the community don't give a **** about the entire game, it's just massive trolling. Still proud?
This is sadly true. 99% of players on this forums dont care for EVE at all...
but i must ask, where did you got that uniform your avatar is wearing??? I am drooling... |
Tristan North
I.Net Academy
84
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:59:00 -
[4267] - Quote
bornaa wrote:Tristan North wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:ppl discussing wis for and against 200+ pages over months vs ppl discussing the mittani for and against 200+ pages + multiple threadnaughts over a matter of days
still proud now, OP?
FiS news at fanfest and just few threads about it. So, this prove that the community don't give a **** about the entire game, it's just massive trolling. Still proud? This is sadly true. 99% of players on this forums dont care for EVE at all... but i must ask, where did you got that uniform your avatar is wearing??? I am drooling...
It's a gift for japanese players, or something like that.
You'll find it in Jita, like everything else...
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oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
525
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:12:00 -
[4268] - Quote
bornaa wrote:Tristan North wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:ppl discussing wis for and against 200+ pages over months vs ppl discussing the mittani for and against 200+ pages + multiple threadnaughts over a matter of days
still proud now, OP?
FiS news at fanfest and just few threads about it. So, this prove that the community don't give a **** about the entire game, it's just massive trolling. Still proud? This is sadly true. 99% of players on this forums dont care for EVE at all... but i must ask, where did you got that uniform your avatar is wearing??? I am drooling...
People who bother to visit the forums love this game anyway so i don,t think that is the case Like WIS is a major topic on these boards,the Goon tears are also a big deal . Are the amount of pages relevant? i don,t think so Its funny that like the WIS thread being bumped by Goons,Goons keep providing Goon tears pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1361
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 12:35:00 -
[4269] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:Doc Fury wrote:CCP removes posts when enough people report them. Some goonies recently got forum banned for forum rule violations.
See where I am going?
Most of you should also know CCP will not discuss forum moderation. I don't dispute that. I ask why that posts were not problem in the past when they were actual, and are problem today (and got deleted today)? Probably because CCP's forum moderation is abysmal even on good days. Threads that should not last 10 minutes on a properly monitored forum can last 2 or more days here before CCP gets around to removing or moderating them. EXCEPT when there is a huge scandal. A player or two probably went through and reported posts in this thread, and because CCP was doing a lot of moderation the last couple of days they got around to reviewing and removing them.
Yeah, pretty much this.
Someone had posted a reply about being on page #200 which is now on page #198. A couple of replies lower down I had made a comment about the parade of Goonswarm replies being posted. If I remember correctly there was quite a bit of them posting negative remarks about Issler, WiS and the CSM election. There was at least 1, maybe 2 pages worth. Now there's only a couple of Goonswarm replies posted around that time.
Anyway, don't get the idea that it was only Goonswarm, other replies were also deleted. I distinctly remember a raging forum flame war between me, Doc Fury, Taiwanistan and Ai Shun being completely deleted and later I was accused of reporting it to CCP. I never reported that so maybe someone else had reported it.
Maybe CCP just decided to step in and delete it without saying something. I don't know. One thing is for sure, CCP is actively watching this thread and has done convo with us at various times.
Anyway, I just recently received an internet email from CCP containing a forum warning stating that one of my posted replies was removed for trolling.
Me? Trolling?
Well, that warning was for posting an insulting post, or post designed to anger other players. I received that warning on 2012:03:30 @ 3:31:05 about 1 week after my reply was posted on 2012.03.24 @ 02:12:00.. The posted reply was basically me telling another player to pull their fugly head out of their Avatar's fat...........
I'm sure you all get the idea.
So now due to the recent Fanfest Fiasco and resulting events, I wouldn't be surprised to see CCP being a lot more diligent with the forum moderation. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:57:00 -
[4270] - Quote
Holy crap this thread still exists O.o I think I last posted on 40 something "If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |
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bornaa
GRiD.
164
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:54:00 -
[4271] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Holy crap this thread still exists O.o I think I last posted on 40 something
This thread is Forever.
EVE Forever. WiS Forever. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1363
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 16:14:00 -
[4272] - Quote
Eve is real. WiS forever. I was there.
Deal with it. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 16:56:00 -
[4273] - Quote
bornaa wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Holy crap this thread still exists O.o I think I last posted on 40 something This thread is Forever. EVE Forever. WiS Forever.
I thought EVE was dead
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eve is real. WiS forever. I was there.
Deal with it.
Really? So theyre going back to making content for WiS? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3609
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 17:07:00 -
[4274] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:bornaa wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Holy crap this thread still exists O.o I think I last posted on 40 something This thread is Forever. EVE Forever. WiS Forever. I thought EVE was dead DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eve is real. WiS forever. I was there.
Deal with it. Really? So theyre going back to making content for WiS?
They sort of never stopped, they're making art assests as always. Just now they got a team together to say, Okay how do we make out of pod activities fun? Becuase 3d social space isnt going to cut it.
One guy suggest wouldnt it be cool if you can get out of your pod and explore some of these abandoned stations and look for artifacts as an optional explroation means?
So far running hit with us as it allows for combat, puzzles, and new things to do other than dressing up a barbie doll we get to equip a little puppet and run it though a deadly rat maze.
Im all for it especially when they said that the materials you get out would help make advanced implants.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
526
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:06:00 -
[4275] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:bornaa wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Holy crap this thread still exists O.o I think I last posted on 40 something This thread is Forever. EVE Forever. WiS Forever. I thought EVE was dead DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eve is real. WiS forever. I was there.
Deal with it. Really? So theyre going back to making content for WiS? They sort of never stopped, they're making art assests as always. Just now they got a team together to say, Okay how do we make out of pod activities fun? Becuase 3d social space isnt going to cut it. One guy suggest wouldnt it be cool if you can get out of your pod and explore some of these abandoned stations and look for artifacts as an optional explroation means? So far running hit with us as it allows for combat, puzzles, and new things to do other than dressing up a barbie doll we get to equip a little puppet and run it though a deadly rat maze. Im all for it especially when they said that the materials you get out would help make advanced implants.
they sort of never stopped the presummerrage activities ,only changed resources WIS has now a skeleton crew only for deciding what to do with it TA is using this thread for ideas. What people want so far: Some people still want a social aspect in WIS Some people still want a social aspect in WIS ,but also some meaningful content Some people don,t care for the social aspect ,but want some meaningful content Some people don,t care for the social aspect and meaningful content but want to shoot you between the eyes in station
I don,t care for the social aspect ,bc that almost is a automatic standard in a avatar environment with or without emotes People gave enough ideas about content in station or in some abandoned remote site About shooting somebody between the eyes ,ok for me ,as long i get a fair change to leave the cq ,before somebody destroys my implants and brain
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Severian Carnifex
143
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:32:00 -
[4276] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:bornaa wrote:This thread is Forever. EVE Forever. WiS Forever. I thought EVE was dead DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eve is real. WiS forever. I was there.
Deal with it. Really? So theyre going back to making content for WiS? They sort of never stopped, they're making art assests as always. Just now they got a team together to say, Okay how do we make out of pod activities fun? Becuase 3d social space isnt going to cut it. One guy suggest wouldnt it be cool if you can get out of your pod and explore some of these abandoned stations and look for artifacts as an optional explroation means? So far running hit with us as it allows for combat, puzzles, and new things to do other than dressing up a barbie doll we get to equip a little puppet and run it though a deadly rat maze. Im all for it especially when they said that the materials you get out would help make advanced implants. they sort of never stopped the presummerrage activities ,only changed resources WIS has now a skeleton crew only for deciding what to do with it TA is using this thread for ideas. What people want so far: Some people still want a social aspect in WIS Some people still want a social aspect in WIS ,but also some meaningful content Some people don,t care for the social aspect ,but want some meaningful content Some people don,t care for the social aspect and meaningful content but want to shoot you between the eyes in station I don,t care for the social aspect ,bc that almost is a automatic standard in a avatar environment with or without emotes People gave enough ideas about content in station or in some abandoned remote site About shooting somebody between the eyes ,ok for me ,as long i get a fair change to leave the cq ,before somebody destroys my implants and brain
But the main message is that 99.9% of people want WiS! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
416
|
Posted - 2012.04.01 09:36:00 -
[4277] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:they sort of never stopped the presummerrage activities ,only changed resources WIS has now a skeleton crew only for deciding what to do with i TA is using this thread for ideas What people want so far Some people still want a social aspect in WI Some people still want a social aspect in WIS ,but also some meaningful conten Some people don,t care for the social aspect ,but want some meaningful conten Some people don,t care for the social aspect and meaningful content but want to shoot you between the eyes in statio
I don,t care for the social aspect ,bc that almost is a automatic standard in a avatar environment with or without emote People gave enough ideas about content in station or in some abandoned remote site About shooting somebody between the eyes ,ok for me ,as long i get a fair change to leave the cq ,before somebody destroys my implants and brain
I think that social gameplay is the "quick and dirty" way to implement some WiS content "now" and not "within two bloody years"
Of course that WiS is about more than chatting and emoting with others (or even waltzing around, my pet idea since LOTGH), but meanwhile we got all those unused assets (avatars, CQs, and the damned unreleased NEx stuff) that just are a sore to the eyes about what it could be and isn't.
I log in each few days to trim my skill queue, and the first thing i see it's Indahmawar iddling by the TV screen. If i have customized her, I may walk her to the balcony for full-light check, and then will use the standard UI to do my business and log off.
And it feels awfully discouraging. When CQ was released, I actually tried to play the game in Ctrl+F9 mode (no UI), interacting to the holograms and such. Kinda didn't work, would have been nice to have a 1st person view and an "iPad" (EVE-pad?) to serve as CQ interface for station functions... an interface within a interfaceless world, to say so.
Well, you may notice, I was really engaged and a bit carried away with the immersion possibilities of the technology. The new character creator was love at first sight.
Now i am out of the game (my sub expires April 30, just checked it yesterday), and rather than discuss on how much cooler is becoming the game because of our cutting edge avatar technology, I am entangled in discussions about Mittens' ego and CCP attempting to ultiterminatefuck non-PvPs via the new wardec system.
Oh, and CCP has comitted 5 developers to find an excuse to have developed these avatars, which makes a whole lot of sense after delivering the avatars to its customers in one of the poorest deliveries ever carried out by a game developer... but is not enough to pay for a game I don't play nor feel like playing any longer until it delivers to me anything it hasn't had for the last 40 months. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
141
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Posted - 2012.04.01 11:33:00 -
[4278] - Quote
Not sure if anyone has said this yet I read this whole tread but that was a few weeks ago.
Personally I would like Wis to be developed into its own game within the game not just for social interactions but more on the line of Cyberpunk. We already have implants in this game so more wouldn't be that much of an issue to increase what an avatar could implanted . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk_2020
The old role playing game was kind of cool with lots of guns, toys ect.. you could build in missions that would require us to travel to other stations to interact with NPC's, steal cargo, shady drug deals ect.. Also skills of the same training routine as our current skills but for avatar use.
I for one would like to see Wis developed further and slowly to get it right even if it took another 4 years to get it right. I would like it sooner but if CCP gives to many resources to Wis the spaceship only crowd would scream.
The other bonus to this is you could tie the communal areas of the space stations into DUST 514 so we could have punch ups with them or a conversation if you were that desperate lol.
The Wis concept was around long before I or a lot of other players currently playing were around. It was always looked forward too and just got derailed over the NEX business. After all the money spent so far and the future to increase EvE again beyond just a space ship game it needs to be done but done right the first time they release anything.
We now have a Wis lover on the CSM so I hope this will help it move forward. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
bornaa
GRiD.
166
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Posted - 2012.04.01 22:34:00 -
[4279] - Quote
CCP Prime wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:We all know that WIS will be a long way to go.
Some devs are prototyping some stuff as rhey mentioned
Maybe some devs could explain here whats is done so far maybe some screens or vids from some tryouts
Now Fanfest is done they could come in this thread more and share their ideas with us . asking for ideas and not replying is a one way communication If you say that you have devoted 4 devs and QA to WIS ,at least show some stuff
We are currently prototyping cooperative gameplay in hazardous environments. It's not beautiful, just programmer art mostly because we are focusing on trying out the gameplay. At this point, I'd not want to share how it looks like, but those that came to the Avatar Roundtable at Fanfest got a demo and if someone got pictures, well, I guess those are then in the public domain by now :)
Are you guys going for implementing DUST lore/tech into this? Are you going for other kind of avatars for this kind of venture? Or DUST type - different suits for other ventures? How is it going to work with out of pod death? |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.02 04:45:00 -
[4280] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:Doc Fury wrote:CCP removes posts when enough people report them. Some goonies recently got forum banned for forum rule violations.
See where I am going?
Most of you should also know CCP will not discuss forum moderation. I don't dispute that. I ask why that posts were not problem in the past when they were actual, and are problem today (and got deleted today)? Probably because CCP's forum moderation is abysmal even on good days. Threads that should not last 10 minutes on a properly monitored forum can last 2 or more days here before CCP gets around to removing or moderating them. EXCEPT when there is a huge scandal. A player or two probably went through and reported posts in this thread, and because CCP was doing a lot of moderation the last couple of days they got around to reviewing and removing them. Yeah, pretty much this. Someone had posted a reply about being on page #200 which is now on page #198. A couple of replies lower down I had made a comment about the parade of Goonswarm replies being posted. If I remember correctly there was quite a bit of them posting negative remarks about Issler, WiS and the CSM election. There was at least 1, maybe 2 pages worth. Now there's only a couple of Goonswarm replies posted around that time. Anyway, don't get the idea that it was only Goonswarm, other replies were also deleted. I distinctly remember a raging forum flame war between me, Doc Fury, Taiwanistan and Ai Shun being completely deleted and later I was accused of reporting it to CCP. I never reported that so maybe someone else had reported it. Maybe CCP just decided to step in and delete it without saying something. I don't know. One thing is for sure, CCP is actively watching this thread and has done convo with us at various times. Anyway, I just recently received an internet email from CCP containing a forum warning stating that one of my posted replies was removed for trolling. Me? Trolling? Well, that warning was for posting an insulting post, or post designed to anger other players. I received that warning on 2012:03:30 @ 3:31:05 about 1 week after my reply was posted on 2012.03.24 @ 02:12:00.. The posted reply was basically me telling another player to pull their fugly head out of their Avatar's fat........... I'm sure you all get the idea. So now due to the recent Fanfest Fiasco and resulting events, I wouldn't be surprised to see CCP being a lot more diligent with the forum moderation. But you did threaten to report posts during that flame war. |
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Oberine Noriepa
581
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Posted - 2012.04.02 06:45:00 -
[4281] - Quote
bornaa wrote:Are you guys going for implementing DUST lore/tech into this? Are you going for other kind of avatars for this kind of venture? Or DUST type - different suits for other ventures? How is it going to work with out of pod death? Have you seen this trailer? I think it's pretty obvious that the pod will only serve as a control link between a capsuleer and their ship once capsuleer clones start using the implant shown. The brain scanning function of the pod will be rendered obsolete. Of course, Dust mercenaries will also be using the same implant. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1383
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Posted - 2012.04.02 06:51:00 -
[4282] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote: But you did threaten to report posts during that flame war.
Amazing, that's all you got out of the entire posted reply. And your point is?
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.02 06:58:00 -
[4283] - Quote
You threatened to report but didn't report? Or you reported the posts but for whatever amazing reason you want to present yourself as a non-reporter? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1383
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Posted - 2012.04.02 08:13:00 -
[4284] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:You threatened to report but didn't report? Or you reported the posts but for whatever amazing reason you want to present yourself as a non-reporter? Hahaha, I have no fear of claiming to report a post. I've done it in the past and will most assuredly do it in the future.
FYI - There were two different conversations being conducted at that time, one with Doc Fury and Ai Shun which I didn't report nor did I make any claim to do so even though I was accused of it. The other conversation was with Taiwanistan which I did report after making the claim.
Anyway, that wasn't the point of my posted reply and I don't understand why you're so fixated on it.
The main point is that due to the Fanfest Fiasco and resulting events, CCP is being a lot more diligent with the forum moderation.
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.02 14:03:00 -
[4285] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:You threatened to report but didn't report? Or you reported the posts but for whatever amazing reason you want to present yourself as a non-reporter? Hahaha, I have no fear of claiming to report a post. I've done it in the past and will most assuredly do it in the future. FYI - There were two different conversations being conducted at that time, one with Doc Fury and Ai Shun which I didn't report nor did I make any claim to do so even though I was accused of it. The other conversation was with Taiwanistan which I did report after making the claim. Anyway, that wasn't the point of my posted reply and I don't understand why you're so fixated on it. The main point is that due to the Fanfest Fiasco and resulting events, CCP is being a lot more diligent with the forum moderation. I must have misread your post. It's good that forum moderation are tightened up, been a while since page 1 and 2 would be filled with locks (it must be such a horrible task). However there are situations where individuals have "gone combative" in their posting where each attack is followed by a riposte, and after a number of exchanges, one side suddenly invokes moderation intervention and reports the other. Not the best use of moderation. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
528
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Posted - 2012.04.02 17:34:00 -
[4286] - Quote
We have enough troll threads lately and lot of bashing . So maybe we could get some normal discussion on this one
@ Team Avatar
You looked at this thread and maybe some more related ones. You must have made some sort of list with ideas made by the community If so ,could you share that with us?
plz?
gtrz Oldbut pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1389
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:14:00 -
[4287] - Quote
I wouldn't expect an answer anytime soon on that, especially with all the ruckus happening right now. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3626
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:33:00 -
[4288] - Quote
I think team avatar is paying attention on the FF feeback.
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:49:00 -
[4289] - Quote
Bumping for spite. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1390
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:16:00 -
[4290] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:I think team avatar is paying attention on the FF feeback. I think you're right.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
418
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:24:00 -
[4291] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I think team avatar is paying attention on the FF feeback. I think you're right.
Seriously? Because really wasn't that much to feedback at FF.... well, aside that there wasn't much to feedback at FF.
Is there an avatar feedback thread or just the general FF backup threadnaught? Maybe we can get some love for squint eyes... EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3634
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Posted - 2012.04.03 07:16:00 -
[4292] - Quote
FF threw the idea of exploring abandoned sites for artifacts for implants.
We're took that and ran with it.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1390
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Posted - 2012.04.03 07:44:00 -
[4293] - Quote
Well, on the topic of what happens to our ships and Avatars while doing WiS in exploration sites.
Most explorers are working solo so if our ships are allowed to be destroyed or taken (boarded) while doing WiS in those sites, that will only cause players to participate less in the WiS experience. Also when looking at it from a RP viewpoint, there should be access to a docking bay unless CCP plans on some sort of space walk action. I know I'm not gonna exit my ship to be in pod just to enter an exploration WiS site and let anyone who wants to just blow up or take my ship. Also having to exit ship in pod mode to enter exploration WiS sites will open up the chance of being podded. That will also induce less interest to participate in the WiS experience.
What happens to the Avatar if while inside the exploration WiS site the Avatar get's destroyed? Does our character end up in it's medical clone on some station? Also what happens to our ship?
Maybe the answer to this is having an 'Exploration' clone (available from market) loaded in the cargohold of our ships which is used to access the exploration WiS site. If the clone dies while in the site, you end up back in your ship. If you have more of these 'Exploration' clones loaded in your ship, you can just launch another one and re-enter the site. If not, you'll have to leave the site and of course the site will despawn once you leave it unless there's someone else also in the site. Having these 'Exploration' clones will allow the option of Avatar PvP action while inside these sites. Since these sites are small, there should be a limit on the amount of 'Exploration' clones allowed to enter these sites.
Still leaves the question of what happens to our ships while in the site. Probably the easiest option is that there's a viable active docking bay allowing access to the exploration WiS site.
Anyway, just food for thought. |
Avila Cracko
288
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:22:00 -
[4294] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Well, on the topic of what happens to our ships and Avatars while doing WiS in exploration sites.
Most explorers are working solo so if our ships are allowed to be destroyed or taken (boarded) while doing WiS in those sites, that will only cause players to participate less in the WiS experience. Also when looking at it from a RP viewpoint, there should be access to a docking bay unless CCP plans on some sort of space walk action. I know I'm not gonna exit my ship to be in pod just to enter an exploration WiS site and let anyone who wants to just blow up or take my ship. Also having to exit ship in pod mode to enter exploration WiS sites will open up the chance of being podded. That will also induce less interest to participate in the WiS experience.
What happens to the Avatar if while inside the exploration WiS site the Avatar get's destroyed? Does our character end up in it's medical clone on some station? Also what happens to our ship?
Maybe the answer to this is having an 'Exploration' clone (available from market) loaded in the cargohold of our ships which is used to access the exploration WiS site. If the clone dies while in the site, you end up back in your ship. If you have more of these 'Exploration' clones loaded in your ship, you can just launch another one and re-enter the site. If not, you'll have to leave the site and of course the site will despawn once you leave it unless there's someone else also in the site. Having these 'Exploration' clones will allow the option of Avatar PvP action while inside these sites. Since these sites are small, there should be a limit on the amount of 'Exploration' clones allowed to enter these sites.
Still leaves the question of what happens to our ships while in the site. Probably the easiest option is that there's a viable active docking bay allowing access to the exploration WiS site.
Anyway, just food for thought.
Maybe make that only some sort of exploration ships can attach to that stations/objects we are trying to explore. And when our ship is attached its in "docked mode". This can open space for new class of ships.
But i dont know what with clones? How do we un-board our capsule? Because our station have technology to let us leave our capsule and that technology/board-unboard modules would not be in that alien stations we are going to explore...
Will there be DUST kind of clones for this or??? Because i heard someone that there will be DUST tech in EVE. (was it on fanfest or somewhere...) truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1327
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:26:00 -
[4295] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eve is real. WiS forever. I was there.
Deal with it.
This. |
bornaa
GRiD.
169
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:39:00 -
[4296] - Quote
I am now a little on edge case here... But did I hear of FanFest stream that they are thinking about some revamps of clone/pod system??? |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
253
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:43:00 -
[4297] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:FF threw the idea of exploring abandoned sites for artifacts for implants.
We're took that and ran with it.
I think i've seen multiple people state that they would like some form of avatar pve missions but it's good to know CCP were paying attention. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1450
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:49:00 -
[4298] - Quote
Those NPC outposts and stations are pretty damned hard to kill. I would say make them destroyable but still tough to destroy. Allow the WiS pilot to dock with the station. Show his ship outside the station but docked. The ship then is enveloped in the shield/armor of the station so the only way to kill the ship is to blow up the station as well along with the WiS pilot that is inside. Pilot dies in the station and his ship is lost just like with regular PvP. While in the station the WiS pilot should have some kind of alert that lets him know if the station is under attack and the status of the station so he can get out to his ship and undock for a fight. This would be epic! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
281
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:51:00 -
[4299] - Quote
I believe WiS's future was bleak, but now it looks a bit brighter :) |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
75
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:54:00 -
[4300] - Quote
could have some kind of teleporter option. that would solve not having to walk out of your ship. Cold have your ship dock to the station or orbit the moon/planet. leaves your ship open to be stolen as well. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1150
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:12:00 -
[4301] - Quote
To be honest, I think that since they had the video made, they just made up this whole exploration thing to toss us a bone and keep us quiet.
If you think about it, it will be more man hours to code than just opening the door. They should be working on a corp office or something that they at least have some models finished for.
In either case, the team is so small and they are working on so many different things that it will be years before we see anything other than more tattoos and some hats. Along with WIS and the NeX store so much was glossed over at FF that I really think CCP has pretty much shelved anything to do with avatar based gameplay for the foreseeable future.
I find the whole thing a little disappointing.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
533
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:30:00 -
[4302] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:To be honest, I think that since they had the video made, they just made up this whole exploration thing to toss us a bone and keep us quiet. If you think about it, it will be more man hours to code than just opening the door. They should be working on a corp office or something that they at least have some models finished for. In either case, the team is so small and they are working on so many different things that it will be years before we see anything other than more tattoos and some hats. Along with WIS and the NeX store so much was glossed over at FF that I really think CCP has pretty much shelved anything to do with avatar based gameplay for the foreseeable future. I find the whole thing a little disappointing. Mr Epeen
Indeed some devs work on other things and sometimes in their own time, what is appreciated . They call themselves team Avatar ,but don,t show much work done on the WIS part of it. The tattoo sleeves thing was probably leftover art back from the incarna days,back then tattoo sleeves was discussed also Gender mixing is the only new thing ,but i think its also something that was on the backlog in those incarna days
TA stated months ago that they are brainstorming to get something out of WIS . They asked us ideas but don,t communicate very much. How long does it take to make up a plan for WIS
A lot of people want that Corporate room ,but somehow Team Avatar thinks that it doesn,t add enough gameplay. I am slowly starting to think that Team AVAtar is PR stuff
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
bornaa
GRiD.
169
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:15:00 -
[4303] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:To be honest, I think that since they had the video made, they just made up this whole exploration thing to toss us a bone and keep us quiet. If you think about it, it will be more man hours to code than just opening the door. They should be working on a corp office or something that they at least have some models finished for. In either case, the team is so small and they are working on so many different things that it will be years before we see anything other than more tattoos and some hats. Along with WIS and the NeX store so much was glossed over at FF that I really think CCP has pretty much shelved anything to do with avatar based gameplay for the foreseeable future. I find the whole thing a little disappointing. Mr Epeen Indeed some devs work on other things and sometimes in their own time, what is appreciated . They call themselves team Avatar ,but don,t show much work done on the WIS part of it. The tattoo sleeves thing was probably leftover art back from the incarna days,back then tattoo sleeves was discussed also Gender mixing is the only new thing ,but i think its also something that was on the backlog in those incarna days TA stated months ago that they are brainstorming to get something out of WIS . They asked us ideas but don,t communicate very much. How long does it take to make up a plan for WIS A lot of people want that Corporate room ,but somehow Team Avatar thinks that it doesn,t add enough gameplay. I am slowly starting to think that Team AVAtar is PR stuff
I am afraid of that too. From the time i heard about team avatar and saw what they do. I don't think ill realy believe in it until i don't see some progress. That Ain't Right |
Ai Shun
572
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:20:00 -
[4304] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Those NPC outposts and stations are pretty damned hard to kill. I would say make them destroyable but still tough to destroy. Allow the WiS pilot to dock with the station. Show his ship outside the station but docked. The ship then is enveloped in the shield/armor of the station so the only way to kill the ship is to blow up the station as well along with the WiS pilot that is inside. Pilot dies in the station and his ship is lost just like with regular PvP. While in the station the WiS pilot should have some kind of alert that lets him know if the station is under attack and the status of the station so he can get out to his ship and undock for a fight. This would be epic!
It would, but the ship needs to be targetable. Part of a full WiS implementation would require a pilot to have the necessary skills or tools available to deploy active sensors (Or passive, depending on what he wants) to scan for approaching vessels while the pilot is engaged.
However, I'm still struggling to see why the pilot of a vessel crewed by hundreds would leave their pod to go and explore a site. I can see it for smaller ships, but would a battleship captain leave the safety of the vessel to crawl through some dark tunnels - leaving his ship without any control? It's not like the Enterprise where anybody could basically fly the damn thing once Kirk left ... this requires a capsuleer.
I'd rather have them focus on in-station environments. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
254
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:04:00 -
[4305] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Those NPC outposts and stations are pretty damned hard to kill. I would say make them destroyable but still tough to destroy. Allow the WiS pilot to dock with the station. Show his ship outside the station but docked. The ship then is enveloped in the shield/armor of the station so the only way to kill the ship is to blow up the station as well along with the WiS pilot that is inside. Pilot dies in the station and his ship is lost just like with regular PvP. While in the station the WiS pilot should have some kind of alert that lets him know if the station is under attack and the status of the station so he can get out to his ship and undock for a fight. This would be epic! It would, but the ship needs to be targetable. Part of a full WiS implementation would require a pilot to have the necessary skills or tools available to deploy active sensors (Or passive, depending on what he wants) to scan for approaching vessels while the pilot is engaged. However, I'm still struggling to see why the pilot of a vessel crewed by hundreds would leave their pod to go and explore a site. I can see it for smaller ships, but would a battleship captain leave the safety of the vessel to crawl through some dark tunnels - leaving his ship without any control? It's not like the Enterprise where anybody could basically fly the damn thing once Kirk left ... this requires a capsuleer. I'd rather have them focus on in-station environments.
Maybe they could explain it by saying that only pod pilots can interface with the stations computers using the same "ports" needed to interface with their pods.
Either way, i like Vertisce's idea. It would be pretty exciting hacking into a stations/structures computer only for alarms to start sounding and explosions occurring throughout the station letting you know that someone is attacking. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1393
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:44:00 -
[4306] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote: Maybe make that only some sort of exploration ships can attach to that stations/objects we are trying to explore. And when our ship is attached its in "docked mode". This can open space for new class of ships.
But i dont know what with clones? How do we un-board our capsule? Because our station have technology to let us leave our capsule and that technology/board-unboard modules would not be in that alien stations we are going to explore...
Will there be DUST kind of clones for this or??? Because i heard someone that there will be DUST tech in EVE. (was it on fanfest or somewhere...)
New ships made specifically for attaching itself to the exploration WiS sites? Basically makes it a big sign flashing 'Here I am, come and get me'.
Since these stations are dead with holes and large rips, they wouldn't contain air to breath. I had envisioned the 'Exploration' clone that's loaded in the cargohold as a mentally controlled EV clone. It would actually be an extension of your character so you wouldn't physically leave the ship. You get within 500 m range of the exploration WiS site and launch the EV clone which takes you from FiS mode to WiS mode resulting in your ship being automatically docked and removed from space.
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Those NPC outposts and stations are pretty damned hard to kill. I would say make them destroyable but still tough to destroy. Allow the WiS pilot to dock with the station. Show his ship outside the station but docked. The ship then is enveloped in the shield/armor of the station so the only way to kill the ship is to blow up the station as well along with the WiS pilot that is inside. Pilot dies in the station and his ship is lost just like with regular PvP. While in the station the WiS pilot should have some kind of alert that lets him know if the station is under attack and the status of the station so he can get out to his ship and undock for a fight. This would be epic!
Well, a fleet of ships could easily be called in to quickly destroy the structure, your ship and your pod due to someone just seeing your ship attached to the outside of the structure or by scanning for your ship. Like I said above, basically makes your ship a big sign flashing 'Here I am, come and get me'. Also while inside you wouldn't know if any ships were outside waiting for you. Definitely an unfair advantage for those outside. I wouldn't want to go inside and have someone scan down my ship or the site, then call in friends to quickly destroy the site because they saw my ship was attached to the structure. Also if it's in high sec and you attack the station due to seeing my ship attached to it, then it's a direct attack on me which should bring concord into play.
Probably better to have the site appear the same with or without players doing WiS inside. You wouldn't know if another player was already in there until after you entered it and just happened to see them inside. Then it's a race to get the goods along with PvP action. With the remote control EV clone, the loser ends up back in his ship and the winner get's the loot. Of course if the loser has another EV clone in his cargohold, they can re-enter the site and try to take back the loot by destroying the other players EV clone.
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Ai Shun
574
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Posted - 2012.04.04 00:23:00 -
[4307] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Maybe they could explain it by saying that only pod pilots can interface with the stations computers using the same "ports" needed to interface with their pods.
If they do explain it this way the ship needs to be vulnerable. I'd prefer not to sacrifice immersion and EVE functionality.
Edit: And CCP, can you please apply the Blocked Poster logic when you are replying to a post. It's no good seeing the same crud you blocked when you reply to the thread. |
Professor Shadoe
Dead Space Solutions
0
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As much fun as walking around the stations could be, i could stand to wait until it ties in with other game functionality. Just walking around a strip mall in space is OK, but there should be more to it than that. Gambling is a must include. But I would also like to see Espionage as a character skill/activity. Or simply intelligence gathering. Maybe something that ties in with the Dust 514 game. Hanging out with the grunts in the bar, maybe. Recipe or Tech guilds you can join? A place for explorers to hang out and show off alien artifacts ? An in-station theater that plays fan films ? Or library to read fan fiction ? There should be a reason to go there. Something to do beyond just walking from your ship, to your cabin, to the shop for beer, and back to the cabin. To make the WiS interesting must take time and I just wanted to say I would be willing to wait. Making it fast is not as important as making it cool. I doubt I will run out of things to do in space while i wait. There be wormholes out there somewhere. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
423
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:38:00 -
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Frankly, I find it hard to buy, lore wise, that a capsuleer (immortal in his pod) would leave the pod on his own, let alone leave behind a ship crowded with 3,000 cannon fodder.
Why undertake a potentially hazardous ECA (Extra-Capsular Activity) himself? Why don't just send some crewmen to do the dangerous stuff?
Or, in case a capsuleer just needs the thrill, why don't use a expendable "drone clone", kept in sinchrony with the capsuleer in his pod until something nasty happens to it or it is put back to sleep until next comission?
In a way, I don't buy that capsuleers and DUST bunnies are entitled the same immortality power. DUST bunnies lose their physical body identity in the cloning process, whereas a capsuleer keeps his physical appearence intact. Also DUST bunnies experience their own death, whereas capsuleers are mercifully euthanized as soon as the pod breaches (and yet the continuous resurrections take a heavy toll in capsuleer's humanity).
I can see capsuleeers using disposable DUST-like drone clones while they keep command of their ship and safety; also envision such clones as having abbilities specific to them (hacking of ancient computers, stealthiness, improved combat abilities... controllable through the appropiate skills, and available through appropiate clone upgrading with "clone modules"... like the cyborgs from games such as Syndicate or Deus Ex)
Furthemore, I can see how capsuleers would lead those "drone clones" into deadly gladiator arenas, for the fun and tears... losing clones as they lose ships for the thrill of PvP... (snippet: "Did it hurt when i twisted that gladius into your guts?" "Not more than when I blew your Tengu, I guess")
But what i don't see, no way, is any sensible capsuleer risking his life in a ECA, nor DUST- cloning being as proficent as pod-cloning. Capsuleers must keep an edge over dust bunnies.
And all in all, whenever I was not driving my unfortunate "drone clones" into the mouth of untold perils, i still would like to meet someone and waltz around the ballroom in my favorite station. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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It could be that the capsuleer clone jumps into another body to go on the intrustrusion. The clone is speically designed to analysis unlike normal people and take advantage of neocoms.
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CCP RedDawn
C C P C C P Alliance
72
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:48:00 -
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Hi all,
This is just a small update to say that we (Team Avatar) are still monitoring this thread for WiS feedback, and we are not just a "PR" stunt. :) Those of you who attended the Avatar round table at Fanfest got a small glimpse of one of the WiS gameplay prototypes that we are working on. So we are progressing.
As for other implementations that we are working on, Tattoo's, NeX items, etc, these are all mid-progress work that we have the opportunity to finalise and get out to you, but these are not our main priority.
You also know that CCP Karkur on Team Avatar is also working on constantly improving the UI experience via small, but highly useful changes. I would also like to point out that she also works on her weekends to incorporate as many of these as she can, and also work on the character creator as well as she is very passionate about it, so yes the team is doing other things as well, but our ultimate focus is most definitely on WiS gameplay.
Finally, as this post has somehow turned into a mini novel, we want WiS to work as much as most of the people in this thread and have collated a ton of ideas from here and Fanfest. But lets all be realistic and honest, it's not going to appear overnight as we are a small team, but saying that, there will be enough new FiS content to almost make a bittervet smile coming your way as well, so you should have plenty to so in the interim.
PS: Fanfest was great and I hope to meet more of you next year, although the round table was a little too early after the dev pub crawl the night before.
Fly reckless till then. CCP RedDawn. Team Avatar |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3645
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Dear CCP RedDawn
I am pertty sure if you have an idea or prototype you want us to discuss at length throw a simple premise of it to us of what we think or how it could be implimented. Im sure you already seen the results at the stream's only hinted new room the abanadon station idea has generated.
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Keyer
STERNENGARDE
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:14:00 -
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Hey,
i think it would be nice, if we get a room like a local or something similar to meet players.
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Public Relation
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:19:00 -
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Thank you for this update RedDawn.
I wish you guy could hurry to give us a multiplayer experience with WiS. Does not have to enable 1000 of avatar per station. You can simply max it to what ever you can. Since its just for the social aspect, people will not miss much if no room available in their station.
Or you could also let player use corporate private room. So this way even in crowded station player could still socialize in there private (instance) corporate room. I do not mean that WiS should be instanced, just for the "testing" purpose make corporation room a private instance for now.
At least this way you can start testing & tweaking "live" on the max number of avatar on screen. Absolutly no need for any gameplay as it is absolutly optional and for testing purpose. Opening the door, just for "showing" our avatar, would really make a lot of us happy i am sure.
Just don't brand it an "Expension" and make sure everyone understand that it is a "beta" option. Can be full of bug, i personaly don't care.
In resume, just release mutliplayer area of station, no gameplay, no mini-game. Nothing "to loose" if someone does not want to use it. Brand it "Beta Station multiplayer" with an option to not download that "beta" content, if need be. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
423
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:01:00 -
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CCP RedDawn wrote:Hi all,
This is just a small update to say that we (Team Avatar) are still monitoring this thread for WiS feedback, and we are not just a "PR" stunt. :) Those of you who attended the Avatar round table at Fanfest got a small glimpse of one of the WiS gameplay prototypes that we are working on. So we are progressing.
As for other implementations that we are working on, Tattoo's, NeX items, etc, these are all mid-progress work that we have the opportunity to finalise and get out to you, but these are not our main priority.
You also know that CCP Karkur on Team Avatar is also working on constantly improving the UI experience via small, but highly useful changes. I would also like to point out that she also works on her weekends to incorporate as many of these as she can, and also work on the character creator as well as she is very passionate about it, so yes the team is doing other things as well, but our ultimate focus is most definitely on WiS gameplay.
Finally, as this post has somehow turned into a mini novel, we want WiS to work as much as most of the people in this thread and have collated a ton of ideas from here and Fanfest. But lets all be realistic and honest, it's not going to appear overnight as we are a small team, but saying that, there will be enough new FiS content to almost make a bittervet smile coming your way as well, so you should have plenty to so in the interim.
PS: Fanfest was great and I hope to meet more of you next year, although the round table was a little too early after the dev pub crawl the night before.
Fly reckless till then. CCP RedDawn.
Frankly, CCP RedDawn, CCP about WiS is like the guy who swears to run a marathon sometime in the future but meanwhile won't walk to the store around the corner. It requires faith to take that seriously, you know.
Mitanidrama aside, the two longer threads in the forums are about avatars. And one of them is not even a feature: "rate the avatar above" is emergent social gameplay, based upon the character creator.
There si no way to knwo what peope would do if you as much as allowed them to be together in a CQ, let aloen provide them some avatar interaction tools.
"Gameplay first, social later" is completely wrong; it's the completely opposite order of "achievability".
And I don't really think CCP is so thick as to not get where the bigger bang-per-buck is, or what people are asking. You (CCP hf) are pretty aware that social gameplay is the thing you could deliver right here, right now, but also you (Team Avatar) won't agree that your company merely doesn't haves the commitment to do so.
5 developers part time is no commitment, is a PR stunt. A good willed one, but come on, we all know there's a store around the corner and all you do is to stay home planning about having a plan.
Where will you go this way? Nowhere. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Ai Shun
584
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:04:00 -
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Less than 30 days. Less than 30 days. Awesome. |
Severian Carnifex
147
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:13:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP RedDawn wrote:Hi all,
This is just a small update to say that we (Team Avatar) are still monitoring this thread for WiS feedback, and we are not just a "PR" stunt. :) Those of you who attended the Avatar round table at Fanfest got a small glimpse of one of the WiS gameplay prototypes that we are working on. So we are progressing.
As for other implementations that we are working on, Tattoo's, NeX items, etc, these are all mid-progress work that we have the opportunity to finalise and get out to you, but these are not our main priority.
You also know that CCP Karkur on Team Avatar is also working on constantly improving the UI experience via small, but highly useful changes. I would also like to point out that she also works on her weekends to incorporate as many of these as she can, and also work on the character creator as well as she is very passionate about it, so yes the team is doing other things as well, but our ultimate focus is most definitely on WiS gameplay.
Finally, as this post has somehow turned into a mini novel, we want WiS to work as much as most of the people in this thread and have collated a ton of ideas from here and Fanfest. But lets all be realistic and honest, it's not going to appear overnight as we are a small team, but saying that, there will be enough new FiS content to almost make a bittervet smile coming your way as well, so you should have plenty to so in the interim.
PS: Fanfest was great and I hope to meet more of you next year, although the round table was a little too early after the dev pub crawl the night before.
Fly reckless till then. CCP RedDawn. Frankly, CCP RedDawn, CCP about WiS is like the guy who swears to run a marathon sometime in the future but meanwhile won't walk to the store around the corner. It requires faith to take that seriously, you know. Mitanidrama aside, the two longer threads in the forums are about avatars. And one of them is not even a feature: "rate the avatar above" is emergent social gameplay, based upon the character creator. There si no way to knwo what peope would do if you as much as allowed them to be together in a CQ, let aloen provide them some avatar interaction tools. "Gameplay first, social later" is completely wrong; it's the completely opposite order of "achievability". And I don't really think CCP is so thick as to not get where the bigger bang-per-buck is, or what people are asking. You (CCP hf) are pretty aware that social gameplay is the thing you could deliver right here, right now, but also you (Team Avatar) won't agree that your company merely doesn't haves the commitment to do so. 5 developers part time is no commitment, is a PR stunt. A good willed one, but come on, we all know there's a store around the corner and all you do is to stay home planning about having a plan. Where will you go this way? Nowhere.
Wis threads that are always on first couple of pages:
CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS! --------------------------------------------------- (204 pages) Rate the Avatar above you ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- (174 pages) What would you say if you woke up to the Avatar above you in your bed? --------------- (106 pages) What is the avatar above you thinking? ----------------------------------------------------------- (76 pages)
And you say there is no gameplay in social interaction and roleplaying??? You are saying that its not important??? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
542
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:03:00 -
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CCP RedDawn wrote:Hi all, Quote:This is just a small update to say that we (Team Avatar) are still monitoring this thread for WiS feedback, and we are not just a "PR" stunt. :) Those of you who attended the Avatar round table at Fanfest got a small glimpse of one of the WiS gameplay prototypes that we are working on. So we are progressing. Then show the ones that don,t have the time or money to go to fanfest that glimpse you are talking about Quote:As for other implementations that we are working on, Tattoo's, NeX items, etc, these are all mid-progress work that we have the opportunity to finalise and get out to you, but these are not our main priority. Fine as long you find a way to remove the NEX from EVE ,give it to the dustmites maybe they can use it. Quote:You also know that CCP Karkur on Team Avatar is also working on constantly improving the UI experience via small, but highly useful changes. I would also like to point out that she also works on her weekends to incorporate as many of these as she can, and also work on the character creator as well as she is very passionate about it, so yes the team is doing other things as well, but our ultimate focus is most definitely on WiS gameplay. ultimate focus now or somewhere in the future? Quote:Finally, as this post has somehow turned into a mini novel, we want WiS to work as much as most of the people in this thread and have collated a ton of ideas from here and Fanfest. But lets all be realistic and honest, it's not going to appear overnight as we are a small team, but saying that, there will be enough new FiS content to almost make a bittervet smile coming your way as well, so you should have plenty to so in the interim. And we are all happy with the FIS updates ,but tell me please ,you don,t happen to have a list of ideas that are made by the community? and with some remarks what CCP thinks about them? We know WIS is not coming overnight ,again lack of communication and doing other things besides the avatar stuff is not showing the commitment,you say you have Fly reckless till then. CCP RedDawn.
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
737
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:14:00 -
[4319] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP RedDawn wrote:Hi all,
This is just a small update to say that we (Team Avatar) are still monitoring this thread for WiS feedback, and we are not just a "PR" stunt. :) Those of you who attended the Avatar round table at Fanfest got a small glimpse of one of the WiS gameplay prototypes that we are working on. So we are progressing.
As for other implementations that we are working on, Tattoo's, NeX items, etc, these are all mid-progress work that we have the opportunity to finalise and get out to you, but these are not our main priority.
You also know that CCP Karkur on Team Avatar is also working on constantly improving the UI experience via small, but highly useful changes. I would also like to point out that she also works on her weekends to incorporate as many of these as she can, and also work on the character creator as well as she is very passionate about it, so yes the team is doing other things as well, but our ultimate focus is most definitely on WiS gameplay.
Finally, as this post has somehow turned into a mini novel, we want WiS to work as much as most of the people in this thread and have collated a ton of ideas from here and Fanfest. But lets all be realistic and honest, it's not going to appear overnight as we are a small team, but saying that, there will be enough new FiS content to almost make a bittervet smile coming your way as well, so you should have plenty to so in the interim.
PS: Fanfest was great and I hope to meet more of you next year, although the round table was a little too early after the dev pub crawl the night before.
Fly reckless till then. CCP RedDawn. Frankly, CCP RedDawn, CCP about WiS is like the guy who swears to run a marathon sometime in the future but meanwhile won't walk to the store around the corner. It requires faith to take that seriously, you know. Mitanidrama aside, the two longer threads in the forums are about avatars. And one of them is not even a feature: "rate the avatar above" is emergent social gameplay, based upon the character creator. There si no way to knwo what peope would do if you as much as allowed them to be together in a CQ, let aloen provide them some avatar interaction tools. "Gameplay first, social later" is completely wrong; it's the completely opposite order of "achievability". And I don't really think CCP is so thick as to not get where the bigger bang-per-buck is, or what people are asking. You (CCP hf) are pretty aware that social gameplay is the thing you could deliver right here, right now, but also you (Team Avatar) won't agree that your company merely doesn't haves the commitment to do so. 5 developers part time is no commitment, is a PR stunt. A good willed one, but come on, we all know there's a store around the corner and all you do is to stay home planning about having a plan. Where will you go this way? Nowhere.
I'm sure the Devs really appreciate you telling them what to do, and that they're doing it wrong, and how EVE is going to fail if they don't do what you say. Passively insinuating CCP might be "thick" and not committed is also just so darn motivational to people (Devs) that are simply working with the resources they have!
Wasn't your account supposed to expire already? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ai Shun
585
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:20:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Wasn't your account supposed to expire already?
Somewhere in April, I believe. We'll see if that is the case or not though
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
154
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Posted - 2012.04.05 00:44:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Less than 30 days. Less than 30 days. Awesome.
What? |
Ai Shun
592
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Posted - 2012.04.05 01:06:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Less than 30 days. Less than 30 days. Awesome. What?
Aspinchtersays. Or so Wayne would have you believe. Personal humour on the 30 days, nothing more. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 02:39:00 -
[4323] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Wasn't your account supposed to expire already? Somewhere in April, I believe. We'll see if that is the case or not though
4/30 unfortunately. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 03:01:00 -
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Tristan North wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:ppl discussing wis for and against 200+ pages over months vs ppl discussing the mittani for and against 200+ pages + multiple threadnaughts over a matter of days
still proud now, OP?
FiS news at fanfest and just few threads about it. So, this prove that the community don't give a **** about the entire game, it's just massive trolling. Still proud?
My point is there is a difference between if you really want wis post here in this thread. Conversely, if you don't want wis, post here in this thread. and If you care about specific X,Y or Z feature or niche of FIS, there are X, Y, Z threads for them. So look at the postings in general. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
119
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CCP RedDawn wrote:
ps: "Reanimate".... sounds like more corpse chat to me. :) (but we know what you mean)
Maybe a new name of Team Reanimate ?
Nothing clever at this time. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
154
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Posted - 2012.04.05 04:06:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Less than 30 days. Less than 30 days. Awesome. What? Aspinchtersays. Or so Wayne would have you believe. Personal humour on the 30 days, nothing more.
Maybe I am ********. It is highly likely since i defend Goonswarm so much, but what is less than 30 days? Incursion: Goonswarm, i.e. Escalation? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1401
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:08:00 -
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CCP RedDawn wrote:Hi all,
This is just a small update to say that we (Team Avatar) are still monitoring this thread for WiS feedback, and we are not just a "PR" stunt. :) Those of you who attended the Avatar round table at Fanfest got a small glimpse of one of the WiS gameplay prototypes that we are working on. So we are progressing.
As for other implementations that we are working on, Tattoo's, NeX items, etc, these are all mid-progress work that we have the opportunity to finalise and get out to you, but these are not our main priority.
You also know that CCP Karkur on Team Avatar is also working on constantly improving the UI experience via small, but highly useful changes. I would also like to point out that she also works on her weekends to incorporate as many of these as she can, and also work on the character creator as well as she is very passionate about it, so yes the team is doing other things as well, but our ultimate focus is most definitely on WiS gameplay.
Finally, as this post has somehow turned into a mini novel, we want WiS to work as much as most of the people in this thread and have collated a ton of ideas from here and Fanfest. But lets all be realistic and honest, it's not going to appear overnight as we are a small team, but saying that, there will be enough new FiS content to almost make a bittervet smile coming your way as well, so you should have plenty to so in the interim.
PS: Fanfest was great and I hope to meet more of you next year, although the round table was a little too early after the dev pub crawl the night before.
Fly reckless till then. CCP RedDawn.
CCP RedDawn,
Thank you for taking the time to post the update. It's always good to hear this thread is still being watched. Guess that explains all the stealth clean ups that have been happening.
Anyway, I'm sure all members of Team Avatar are very busy working hard to produce WiS content that will most certainly amaze and astound us all. As was stated before, commitment to excellence is indeed very much appreciated and wanted. However, please don't be too overly critical of any existing content created thus far as that usually results in time and work being scrapped and starting all over again, probably much to the dismay of everyone involved. It definitely can't be good for moral either.
On that note, don't be hesitant or afraid to release WiS game play content in small amounts. It doesn't have to be a full blown major Expansion / Patch. We know this is your baby but remember, a new born will crawl first, then walk before running. Starting small and releasing it as a Beta should be much easier to test as well as work out any problems that may arise.
Since this thread is being monitored, please don't hesitate to jump in and add a comment or two when you see an idea that may have potential. A little more involvement by Team Avatar from time to time in this thread as well as the sticky thread in Features & Ideas sub-forum would go a long way to help alleviate some doubts and anxiety expressed by the community.
In the meantime, please excuse us all for being impatient, cynical and apprehensive. It may not be warranted at this time but it should be expected due to our anticipation. I know it's no excuse but we're actually very excited and overly enthusiastic to see this long awaited content become a reality.
Don't get discouraged by our actions, we understand there are many shades of color involved even though we tend to express ourselves in terms of Black And White. We eagerly await and look forward to the day when Team Avatar and CCP turns Eve Online into a true Science Fiction Virtual Reality. Of course we'd prefer it to be sooner than later and when it does finally happen, that will be the day when Everyone's A Winner.
DMC
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
577
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:12:00 -
[4328] - Quote
CCP RedDawn wrote:Hi all,
This is just a small update to say that we (Team Avatar) are still monitoring this thread for WiS feedback, and we are not just a "PR" stunt. :) Those of you who attended the Avatar round table at Fanfest got a small glimpse of one of the WiS gameplay prototypes that we are working on. So we are progressing.
CCP RedDawn.
Anyone have a video of that round table?
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Dex Tera
Crypsus Tetsuo Shio
8
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tldr wis is it should be open the door +more sex appeal + cyber punk flavor wis shold = exploration of really big dark scary stations with some team based puzzle action and some combat that will net you some implant / rig /dust merc gear /wis gear bpos and npc taggs for nice profitssss iterate on hacking and analyzing via wis
firstly where the hell are are the other colored versions of the clothing i have asked many times in the help chanel for this info and spoke to isd members in the help chan who basically told me to stfu or stay on topic i mean i thought that the help chan was for help related topics like where do i find item
but srsly i see the diferent coloerd clothes in the market tree but not in the nex store what gives i would like some black and gold outfits please maby a littel variation so we dont all look the sam
also WTH ever hapend to the sexy latex jump suit from the old incarna demo vids MMMMMMMM LATEX HAWTNESS!!! i would like an option for extra camel toe plz cause it would be nice to have sompthing to fap to while on a 48 jump trip in an orca
srsly we need some more sexy options for the ladies outfits this was looking good! and wtf did all the bad ass armor plating go from or old avitars now we all look tike some gay ass jcpenny catologe models i thot this was frikin outer space scifi future shite i want bad assedness for the space bros and sluty gear for the space hoes (no disrepect ladies i olny refer to you as hoes cause i dont know each of your names idvidualy) i wold like some miniskirts for teh chicks pl
implants? srsly ccp the best you could come up with was the ghey ass monocel ??? LAME !! ccp droped the ball yet again!
what hapend to the cyber punk feel i came to eve for realy REALY!!!!! WTF right befor incarna came out i saw this bad ass pod pilot and a shat my pants i was excited for incarna and WIS why WHY do i always get excited when i see shiny stuff from ccp then get let dow
insted we got some matrix plugs that i cant even see ...way to rip them off !!! and now we have col. sanders and cpt.prickhard flying in space ships. no really i know every ones thinking the same thing but i just trying to scream it out right now please ccp we need moar cyber punk / cow bel
oh i also wanted to say somthing about the prices of your items in the nex store but i would want a riot to break out in jita or any thing but if there was im sure you would fix them or not
but insted of this we get sleeve tats YEAH ....not
art department and character design department need to get together with the dood who painted the capsuleer idealized pic and i don't know actually create something instead of just giving us pixel dolls to put clothes on give it some flavor
in terms of game play the first thing you need to do is open that dam door but yes your new future vision trailer at fanfest was very cool i too would like to walk in sleeper structures maybe take something like say new blueprints for dust mercs weaponry and armor and vehicles and we go in to fraction stations and steal the bpo by using our hacking and analyzing skills im not say ng take hacking and analyzing out of space im saying iterate on it and add ito i wis also u could do this with rig or implant bpos small stuff like that also i wonder is there a plan fo a fps aspect or some kind of combat system if so you could do someting like a survival style game play where one your in the enemy station u have to go through it with your exploration team or die and lose yor clone / implants / wis gear ofc you can always go back and pickit up it would bee neat to go back and see my own corpse there i think it would be uber cool if this is where bpos came from and it wold have to be vast areas to explore basicly dungeon style play look for chest open chest find bpo get out alive then profi
also i don't really want to name a specific game but i have been playing deus ex lately and the whole cybernetic augmentation thing could and some nice flavor to Wis in terms of game play and character designee wis really needs more flavor cause right now it tastes like space cake thats been cryofroze for a millennia and i need some milk to wash it down
sry for wall of text / rant please dont ban me lol |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
411
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:24:00 -
[4330] - Quote
Dex Tera wrote: Thing You Need To Do Is Open That Dam Door But Yes Your New Future Vision Trailer At Fanfest Was Very Cool I Too Would Like To Walk In Sleeper Structures Maybe Take Something Like Say New Blueprints For Dust Mercs Weaponry And Armor And Vehicles And We Go In To Fraction Stations And Steal The Bpo By Using Our Hacking And Analyzing Skills Im Not Say Ng Take Hacking And Analyzing Out Of Space Im Saying Iterate On It And Add Ito I Wis Also U Could Do This With Rig Or Implant Bpos Small Stuff Like That Also I Wonder Is There A Plan Fo A Fps Aspect Or Some Kind Of Combat System If So You Could Do Someting Like A Survival Style Game Play Where One Your In The Enemy Station U Have To Go Through It With Your Exploration Team Or Die And Lose Yor Clone / Implants / Wis Gear Not Srsly We Need Some More Sexy Options For The Ladies Outfits This Was Looking Good! And Wtf Did All The Bad Ass Armor Plating Go From Or Old Avitars Now We All Look Tike Some Gay Ass Jcpenny Catologe Models I Thot This Was Frikin Outer Space Scifi Future Shite I Want Bad Assedness For The Space Bros And Sluty Gear For The Space Hoes (no Disrepect Ladies I Olny Refer To You As Hoes Cause I Dont Know Each Of Your Names Idvidualy) I Wold Like Some Miniskirts For Teh Chicks Pl Sry For Wall Of Text / Rant Please Dont Ban Me Lol Tldr Wis Isugh It Should Becool Open The Door +more Sex Appeal + Cyber Punk Flavor Wis Shold = Exploration Of Really Big Dark Scary Stations With Some Team Based Puzzle Action And Some Combat That Will Net You Some Implant / Rig /dust Merc Gear /wis Gear Bpos And Npc Taggs For Nice Profitssss Iterate On Hacking And Analyzing Via Wis What Hapend To The Cyber Punk Feel I Came To Eve For Realy Realy!!!!! Wtf Right Befor Incarna Came Out I Saw This Bad Ass Pod Pilot And A Shat My Pants I Was Excited For Incarna And Wis Why Why Do I Always Get Excited When I See Shiny Stuff From Ccp Then Get Let Dow also Wth Ever Hapend To The Sexy Latex Jump Suit From The Old Incarna Demo Vids Mmmmmmmm Latex Hawtness!!! I Would Like An Option For Extra Camel Toe Plz Cause It Would Be Nice To Have Sompthing To Fap To While On A 48 Jump Trip In An Orca Also I Don't Really Want To Name A Specific Game But I Have Been Playing Deus Ex Lately And The Whole Cybernetic Augmentation Thing Could And Some Nice Flavor To Wis In Terms Of Game Play And Character Designee Wis Really Needs More Flavor Cause Right Now It Tastes Like Space Cake Thats Been Cryofroze For A Millennia And I Need Some Milk To Wash It Downugh Art Department And Character Design Department Need To Get Together With The Dood Who Painted The Capsuleer Idealized Pic And I Don't Know Actually Create Something Instead Of Just Giving Us Many Times In The Help Chanel For This Info And Spoke To Isd Members In The Help Chan Who Basically Told Me To Stfu Or Stay On Topic I Mean I Thought That The Help Chan Was For Help Related Topics Like Where Do I Find Item Implants? Srsly Ccp The Best You Could Come Up With Was The Ghey Ass Monocel ??? Lame !! Ccp Droped The Ball Yet Again! In Terms Of Game Play The First Ofc You Can Always Go Back And Pickit Up It Would Bee Neat To Go Back And See My Own Corpse There I Think It Would Be Uber Cool If This Is Where Bpos Came From And It Wold Have To Be Vast Areas To Explore Basicly Dungeon Style Play Look For Chest Open Chest Find Bpo Get Out Alive Then Profi Insted We Got Some Matrix Plugs That I Cant Even See ...way To Rip Them Off !!! And Now We Have Col. Sanders And Cpt.prickhard Flying In Space Ships. No Really I Know Every Ones Thinking The Same Thing But I Just Trying To Scream It Out Right Now Please Ccp We Need Moar Cyber Punk / Cow Bel Oh I Also Wanted To Say Somthing About The Prices Of Your Items In The Nex Store But I Would Want A Riot To Break Out In Jita Or Any Thing But If There Was Im Sure You Would Fix Them Or Pixel Dolls To Put Clothes On Give It Some Flavor But Insted Of This We Get Sleeve Tats Yeah ....not But Srsly I See The Diferent Coloerd Clothes In The Market Tree But Not In The Nex Store What Gives I Would Like Some Black And Gold Outfits Please Maby A Littel Variation So We Dont All Look The Sam Firstly Where The Hell Are Are The Other Colored Versions Of The Clothing I Have Asked
FYP - I added some capitalization and worked on the structure to make it easier to read. |
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Dex Tera
Crypsus Tetsuo Shio
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:32:00 -
[4331] - Quote
go jump in a biomass reprocessor |
Orator de Umbras
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:54:00 -
[4332] - Quote
Give me liberty (from my pod), or give me death.
*self-destructs pod*
I can do this all night. . . what's it gonna be CCP?
To CCP:
People are not going to like it at first, but it will be a necessary step to make WiS meaningful.
You NEED to move things out of the globally accessible UI and into 3D space as an interactive object.
- If I need to use the market, I should have to walk into station and find a market interface. - If I need to update my clone, I should have to walk into the station's medical facility to do so. - If I need to start / stop an industry job, I should have to go to the station's laboratory / factory. - For agents, you should have to find the agent within the station to get their "phone number" before you can contact them. - Corporate administration should be done in the corporation's office. (Some things you could do outside the office, but some you shouldn't.)
Some of these things can become skill-dependent, or rely on new agent functionality. Example:
- Broker Agents: If I have access to a broker agent, they will provide a market interface for me to order things. (Give a face to the "Broker's Fee". - R&D Agents: They'll do data core research like they do now, but will also allow me to remotely manage jobs in their respective stations.
Anyway, just a few small ideas / suggestions.
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:40:00 -
[4333] - Quote
Orator de Umbras wrote:Give me liberty (from my pod), or give me death.
*self-destructs pod*
I can do this all night. . . what's it gonna be CCP?
To CCP:
People are not going to like it at first, but it will be a necessary step to make WiS meaningful.
You NEED to move things out of the globally accessible UI and into 3D space as an interactive object.
- If I need to use the market, I should have to walk into station and find a market interface. - If I need to update my clone, I should have to walk into the station's medical facility to do so. - If I need to start / stop an industry job, I should have to go to the station's laboratory / factory. - For agents, you should have to find the agent within the station to get their "phone number" before you can contact them. - Corporate administration should be done in the corporation's office. (Some things you could do outside the office, but some you shouldn't.)
Some of these things can become skill-dependent, or rely on new agent functionality. Example:
- Broker Agents: If I have access to a broker agent, they will provide a market interface for me to order things. (Give a face to the "Broker's Fee". - R&D Agents: They'll do data core research like they do now, but will also allow me to remotely manage jobs in their respective stations.
Anyway, just a few small ideas / suggestions.
This just pisses ppl off, hardly meaningful, doing the same thing but now forced to w-a-s-d really slowly. |
Avila Cracko
297
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:53:00 -
[4334] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Orator de Umbras wrote:Give me liberty (from my pod), or give me death.
*self-destructs pod*
I can do this all night. . . what's it gonna be CCP?
To CCP:
People are not going to like it at first, but it will be a necessary step to make WiS meaningful.
You NEED to move things out of the globally accessible UI and into 3D space as an interactive object.
- If I need to use the market, I should have to walk into station and find a market interface. - If I need to update my clone, I should have to walk into the station's medical facility to do so. - If I need to start / stop an industry job, I should have to go to the station's laboratory / factory. - For agents, you should have to find the agent within the station to get their "phone number" before you can contact them. - Corporate administration should be done in the corporation's office. (Some things you could do outside the office, but some you shouldn't.)
Some of these things can become skill-dependent, or rely on new agent functionality. Example:
- Broker Agents: If I have access to a broker agent, they will provide a market interface for me to order things. (Give a face to the "Broker's Fee". - R&D Agents: They'll do data core research like they do now, but will also allow me to remotely manage jobs in their respective stations.
Anyway, just a few small ideas / suggestions.
This just pisses ppl off, hardly meaningful, doing the same thing but now forced to w-a-s-d really slowly.
Whats is meaningful to you, is role play to others. Why games that have that system of navigation have more players than EVE? people like to fell their character - live through it. and you cant fell anything in clicking the same buttons that are always in the same place on the screen on the same ugly bar. truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Avila Cracko
297
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:53:00 -
[4335] - Quote
Severian Carnifex wrote:Wis threads that are always on the first couple of pages (now on first page):
- CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS! ------------------------------------------------- (204 pages) - Rate the Avatar above you ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (174 pages) - What would you say if you woke up to the Avatar above you in your bed? --- (106 pages) - What is the avatar above you thinking? --------------------------------------------------------- (76 pages)
And you say there is no gameplay in social interaction and roleplaying??? You are saying that social interaction and roleplaying is not important??? You are telling us that WiS is not important???
Signed!!! truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:01:00 -
[4336] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Orator de Umbras wrote:Give me liberty (from my pod), or give me death.
*self-destructs pod*
I can do this all night. . . what's it gonna be CCP?
To CCP:
People are not going to like it at first, but it will be a necessary step to make WiS meaningful.
You NEED to move things out of the globally accessible UI and into 3D space as an interactive object.
- If I need to use the market, I should have to walk into station and find a market interface. - If I need to update my clone, I should have to walk into the station's medical facility to do so. - If I need to start / stop an industry job, I should have to go to the station's laboratory / factory. - For agents, you should have to find the agent within the station to get their "phone number" before you can contact them. - Corporate administration should be done in the corporation's office. (Some things you could do outside the office, but some you shouldn't.)
Some of these things can become skill-dependent, or rely on new agent functionality. Example:
- Broker Agents: If I have access to a broker agent, they will provide a market interface for me to order things. (Give a face to the "Broker's Fee". - R&D Agents: They'll do data core research like they do now, but will also allow me to remotely manage jobs in their respective stations.
Anyway, just a few small ideas / suggestions.
This just pisses ppl off, hardly meaningful, doing the same thing but now forced to w-a-s-d really slowly. Whats is meaningful to you, is role play to others. Why games that have that system of navigation have more players than EVE? people like to fell their character - live through it. and you cant fell anything in clicking the same buttons that are always in the same place on the screen on the same ugly bar.
WAIT does this mean Mittens is in favor of WiS? Cause he's such a hard core RPer an all
Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Allandi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:09:00 -
[4337] - Quote
I find it somewhat depressing that the new direction for Wis is a 0.0 play-model.
One of the reasons Wis was so interesting to me was there was potential for a new cool social/entertaining environment free from the 'step on your fellow players face' mentality.
I love Pvp, played daoc for 7 years, spent 2 years down in Providence in Eve. Every now and then you need that safe-zone, that hidey hole that you can relax in. Even daoc had housing, and peopled loved it. You dont -have- to attach pvp to social environments, no matter how much 0.0 lights up your forum. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:11:00 -
[4338] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Orator de Umbras wrote:Give me liberty (from my pod), or give me death.
*self-destructs pod*
I can do this all night. . . what's it gonna be CCP?
To CCP:
People are not going to like it at first, but it will be a necessary step to make WiS meaningful.
You NEED to move things out of the globally accessible UI and into 3D space as an interactive object.
- If I need to use the market, I should have to walk into station and find a market interface. - If I need to update my clone, I should have to walk into the station's medical facility to do so. - If I need to start / stop an industry job, I should have to go to the station's laboratory / factory. - For agents, you should have to find the agent within the station to get their "phone number" before you can contact them. - Corporate administration should be done in the corporation's office. (Some things you could do outside the office, but some you shouldn't.)
Some of these things can become skill-dependent, or rely on new agent functionality. Example:
- Broker Agents: If I have access to a broker agent, they will provide a market interface for me to order things. (Give a face to the "Broker's Fee". - R&D Agents: They'll do data core research like they do now, but will also allow me to remotely manage jobs in their respective stations.
Anyway, just a few small ideas / suggestions.
This just pisses ppl off, hardly meaningful, doing the same thing but now forced to w-a-s-d really slowly. Whats is meaningful to you, is role play to others. Why games that have that system of navigation have more players than EVE? people like to fell their character - live through it. and you cant fell anything in clicking the same buttons that are always in the same place on the screen on the same ugly bar. I think people want to roleplay with people rather than NPCs. The activities above are just tasks done by yourself, preferably done as quickly as possible. Star Wars online probably has that you can fell all you want over there right now while they work on wis. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
426
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:18:00 -
[4339] - Quote
Allandi wrote:I find it somewhat depressing that the new direction for Wis is a 0.0 play-model.
One of the reasons Wis was so interesting to me was there was potential for a new cool social/entertaining environment free from the 'step on your fellow players face' mentality.
I love Pvp, played daoc for 7 years, spent 2 years down in Providence in Eve. Every now and then you need that safe-zone, that hidey hole that you can relax in. Even daoc had housing, and peopled loved it. You dont -have- to attach pvp to social environments, no matter how much 0.0 lights up your forum.
Amen. I hope they just read the thread and don't turn WiS into yet another useless wasted attempt to lure hiseccers into the nullsec "chore" gameplay. My irony gland would poison me to death if hiseccers where left outside of WiS content.... EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:38:00 -
[4340] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:
Whats is meaningful to you, is role play to others. Why games that have that system of navigation have more players than EVE? people like to fell their character - live through it. and you cant fell anything in clicking the same buttons that are always in the same place on the screen on the same ugly bar.
WAIT does this mean Mittens is in favor of WiS? Cause he's such a hard core RPer an all
this Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
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Avila Cracko
299
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:41:00 -
[4341] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:
Whats is meaningful to you, is role play to others. Why games that have that system of navigation have more players than EVE? people like to fell their character - live through it. and you cant fell anything in clicking the same buttons that are always in the same place on the screen on the same ugly bar.
WAIT does this mean Mittens is in favor of WiS? Cause he's such a hard core RPer an all this
We saw that he don't RP. We saw that he is like that in RL too. No roles, its just him. truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Avila Cracko
299
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:47:00 -
[4342] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Orator de Umbras wrote:Give me liberty (from my pod), or give me death.
*self-destructs pod*
I can do this all night. . . what's it gonna be CCP?
To CCP:
People are not going to like it at first, but it will be a necessary step to make WiS meaningful.
You NEED to move things out of the globally accessible UI and into 3D space as an interactive object.
- If I need to use the market, I should have to walk into station and find a market interface. - If I need to update my clone, I should have to walk into the station's medical facility to do so. - If I need to start / stop an industry job, I should have to go to the station's laboratory / factory. - For agents, you should have to find the agent within the station to get their "phone number" before you can contact them. - Corporate administration should be done in the corporation's office. (Some things you could do outside the office, but some you shouldn't.)
Some of these things can become skill-dependent, or rely on new agent functionality. Example:
- Broker Agents: If I have access to a broker agent, they will provide a market interface for me to order things. (Give a face to the "Broker's Fee". - R&D Agents: They'll do data core research like they do now, but will also allow me to remotely manage jobs in their respective stations.
Anyway, just a few small ideas / suggestions.
This just pisses ppl off, hardly meaningful, doing the same thing but now forced to w-a-s-d really slowly. Whats is meaningful to you, is role play to others. Why games that have that system of navigation have more players than EVE? people like to fell their character - live through it. and you cant fell anything in clicking the same buttons that are always in the same place on the screen on the same ugly bar. I think people want to roleplay with people rather than NPCs. The activities above are just tasks done by yourself, preferably done as quickly as possible. Star Wars online probably has that you can fell all you want over there right now while they work on wis. *also there are many other major reasons and differences other than lack of avatars that makes EVE less popular than other conventional mmo games.
There is many games that don't have story at all for players that don't want that. You see all the books, and novels, and story behind the EVE. I want that that become EVE, that that become truth.
And whats with NPCs and RP? It does not matter who is the part of the story. It only matters that there are all characters to tell the story and some must be NPCs. And RP is in being the part of the story. truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
119
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:56:00 -
[4343] - Quote
I'll say it again.
Release some more rooms/content sooner rather than later. Common areas for people to hang out for now, even if there is no actuall game play will be very well recieved, more than alot of people think.
Do not try and release a "finished" product, it will never be enough, all you will hear is, "that's it?". Expectations will be too high.
If you commit to slowly growing WiS over time by releasing content as it's ready it will progress much easier than trying to release a whole new game which I think many people are making the mistake of expecting.
If you are releasing a new game, yes you need to have a complete package to offer at launch, to keep people busy untill you can launch an expansion. Well, in this case the game already has plenty to do and adding small amounts of content, be it some new ships, more exploration plexes, new missions, or a common room(lounge) in stations, it all adds to EVE and the the EVE universe.
There is no WiS. There is no FiS. There is only EVE.
PS. It will be a great shame if Dust 514 launches without EVE players and Dust players being able to mingle. Having those two parts of the EVE Universe connected from launch will go a long way to retaining Dust players. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1415
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:00:00 -
[4344] - Quote
Guess nobody read my 'Everyone's A Winner' post - #4081
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
738
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:32:00 -
[4345] - Quote
So, to sum us the last couple of pages:
CCP, giev WIS now, or RAGE!
Some of you need to get some realistic expectations or you are really gonna' be raging when WIS gets iterated next.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
122
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:51:00 -
[4346] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:So, to sum-up a lot of the posts in the last couple of pages:
CCP, giev WIS now, or RAGE!
Some of you need to get some realistic expectations or you are really gonna' be raging when WIS gets iterated next.
I don't get a sense of pending rage, just a feeling of anxious frustration. This isn't
really the shoot a statue kind of crowd. |
Orator de Umbras
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:17:00 -
[4347] - Quote
The things I posted are things to draw capsuleers out of their pods in the first place.
I mentioned them because many have reasoned that they have no use for WiS because they can do everything without even entering the Captain's Quarters.
Interaction with NPCs in stations is the only thing CCP can reliably script. Interaction between player characters should be spontaneous, and dependent on "fun" things like gambling.
For the old "eve is a spaceship game" argument, CCP has conceded that they need to focus more on the space-ship side of things until WiS is ready, but they also want an all emersive Science Fiction simulator. The best thing we can do, is give them suggestions about the things we would like to see, while not in space. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3658
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:33:00 -
[4348] - Quote
So did anyone notice a jovian male and female at the end of the ccp presents?
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
427
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Posted - 2012.04.05 19:44:00 -
[4349] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:So did anyone notice a jovian male and female at the end of the ccp presents?
I don't know what video are you talking about, and in case i knew, sure would be easier if you just linked it yourself *wink, wink*. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1416
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Posted - 2012.04.05 19:57:00 -
[4350] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nova Fox wrote:So did anyone notice a jovian male and female at the end of the ccp presents? I don't know what video are you talking about, and in case i knew, sure would be easier if you just linked it yourself *wink, wink*. This |
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1464
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:05:00 -
[4351] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:So did anyone notice a jovian male and female at the end of the ccp presents?
uhm ... i recall people talking about balded female avatars with dark veins that "looked like jove". That's quite a while ago already and it was on sisi. never checked if it made it to TQ. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3662
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:16:00 -
[4352] - Quote
Took me a while to figure it out how to code a time stamp in the whole thing.
here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Ozvef7CvQ&t=2h13m41s
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
428
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:26:00 -
[4353] - Quote
Houm... weird, but, Jovian? They are supposed to have got massive heads on tiny body frames, yellow skin and yellowish eyes.
Also adding Jovian to the game would be the end of EVE. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3662
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:30:00 -
[4354] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Houm... weird, but, Jovian? They are supposed to have got massive heads on tiny body frames, yellow skin and yellowish eyes. Also adding Jovian to the game would be the end of EVE.
Read my other thread Inherit the Stars on GD.
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:51:00 -
[4355] - Quote
Seeing as this is being monitored, I'd just like to say, please have "standard" fps/mmo controls for avatars. The way the mouselook/steer works at the moment is just weird.
Other than that, glad to hear this is still gestating at CCP. I have been thoroughly in favour of the re-focussing, but ultimately EVE has to have WiS too, if it is to be planet Earth's ultimate space game
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
200
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:48:00 -
[4356] - Quote
Orator de Umbras wrote:The things I posted are things to draw capsuleers out of their pods in the first place. The things you posted are things which take away basic functionality from the existing client in order to ram WiS down the throat of the entire playerbase whether they want it or not. That is a tremendously stupid approach to take to game design and exactly the sort of attitude which gave us the Jita Riots last summer.
There is no reason whatsoever why I should need to switch to a completely different game mode just to access features previously available with a single button press.
Quote:For the old "eve is a spaceship game" argument, CCP has conceded that they need to focus more on the space-ship side of things until WiS is ready Er no, CCP has acknowledged that Eve is and will always be a game primarily about spaceships and that needs to be the primary focus in every expansion now and for as long as there's an Eve to work on. This was spelled out fairly clearly in the Eve Keynote. Any work on WiS needs to be based on ways of making it work alongside spaceships and adding meaningful gameplay to supplement what happens in spaceships. Developing two effectively seperate games in the same client and having them clash against each other for the player's attention (by, for example, stealing away hangar features to the WiS client and forcing the player to switch between the two to access them) is a recipe for frustration and disaster. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:54:00 -
[4357] - Quote
first post: #1 Posted: 2011.10.24 19:51 206 pages six months or so
My apology Mittens thread: #1 Posted: 2012.03.27 00:09 254 pages 9 days
lol Mittens wins Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:35:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
wuts wis, and fis for that matter |
Dex Tera
Crypsus Tetsuo Shio
10
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:56:00 -
[4359] - Quote
i see ppl saying things like "make us have to wis to do X"like update clone in a medbay or talk to agents this i dont agree with i think it should be more like if u want to do those things you should be abel to do it remotely have both options so i can wis and experience eve that way if i want to or i can stay in my ship and never have to get out also we should not have to dock so we can tell an agent "hey mission is done pay me *****" re should be able to do this by region and remotely |
Dex Tera
Crypsus Tetsuo Shio
10
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:58:00 -
[4360] - Quote
Lane Shift wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler wuts wis, and fis for that matter
wis is walkin in station and fis is flyin in ships |
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:34:00 -
[4361] - Quote
wis is crap they threw together for World of Darkness and FiS is EVE Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1471
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:52:00 -
[4362] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:wis is crap they threw together for World of Darkness and FiS is EVE You aren't going to get much love in this thread with that **** poor ignorant attitude. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:02:00 -
[4363] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:wis is crap they threw together for World of Darkness and FiS is EVE You aren't going to get much love in this thread with that **** poor ignorant attitude.
Ooooor I could find that news article from the WoD site that showed WiS was a prototype for WoD?
http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade-UPDATED.aspx
Quote:Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced.
**** poor ignorant truth you mean?
Hey Ive linked it before, in this thread but Im not going back a hundred or so pages to comb thru it Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:14:00 -
[4364] - Quote
Orator de Umbras wrote:The things I posted are things to draw capsuleers out of their pods in the first place.
I mentioned them because many have reasoned that they have no use for WiS because they can do everything without even entering the Captain's Quarters.
Interaction with NPCs in stations is the only thing CCP can reliably script. Interaction between player characters should be spontaneous, and dependent on "fun" things like gambling.
For the old "eve is a spaceship game" argument, CCP has conceded that they need to focus more on the space-ship side of things until WiS is ready, but they also want an all emersive Science Fiction simulator. The best thing we can do, is give them suggestions about the things we would like to see, while not in space. They have no use for wis because ccp couldn't figure it out, why is doing everything without entering CQ a bad thing? |
Sinooko
Viking Tech Industries
23
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:50:00 -
[4365] - Quote
I want to run an establishment that allows for a great deal of gambling out in a nullsec station. I also want a lever that I can pull that freezes everything for when a Call to Arms is sent through alliance channels. Long Live Eve Online! |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
224
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:52:00 -
[4366] - Quote
Sinooko wrote:I want to run an establishment that allows for a great deal of gambling out in a nullsec station. I also want a lever that I can pull that freezes everything for when a Call to Arms is sent through alliance channels.
I want to hawk Livestockburgers and Exotic Dancers.
Establishments should open up props for portraits, too.
But make it about buffs, make it about the spaceships.
And yes, make it so you can close them down at will. We need to be able to show one or all players the door in our establishments. This is a must.
Edit: Support my proposal in the F&I section!!! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
542
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Posted - 2012.04.06 05:41:00 -
[4367] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:first post: #1 Posted: 2011.10.24 19:51 206 pages six months or so
My apology Mittens thread: #1 Posted: 2012.03.27 00:09 254 pages 9 days
lol Mittens wins
Yes and he won a big price didn,t he?
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
234
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Posted - 2012.04.06 05:44:00 -
[4368] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:first post: #1 Posted: 2011.10.24 19:51 206 pages six months or so
My apology Mittens thread: #1 Posted: 2012.03.27 00:09 254 pages 9 days
lol Mittens wins Yes and he won a big price didn,t he?
You're talking about the restoration of his moral ambiguity here, aren't you?!?!!!1
U R sly He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1417
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Posted - 2012.04.06 07:44:00 -
[4369] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:first post: #1 Posted: 2011.10.24 19:51 206 pages six months or so
My apology Mittens thread: #1 Posted: 2012.03.27 00:09 254 pages 9 days
lol Mittens wins
First of all, the 2 threads don't relate to each other nor do they have anything in common.
Secondly, there's been multiple replies deleted from this thread resulting in a lower page count so your point is invalid. Also this thread has a much longer thread life and will still be going strong long after the apology thread is dead and forgotten.
Third, stop trying to derail this thread. Your reply is off topic and nothing more than a troll post. It's obvious your intention is to create a flame war. As such your reply is now reported. If you continue posting off topic replies in this thread, I as well as others, will use the 'Report' option every time.
Richard Aiel wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:wis is crap they threw together for World of Darkness and FiS is EVE You aren't going to get much love in this thread with that **** poor ignorant attitude. Ooooor I could find that news article from the WoD site that showed WiS was a prototype for WoD? http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade-UPDATED.aspxQuote:Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced. **** poor ignorant truth you mean? Hey Ive linked it before, in this thread but Im not going back a hundred or so pages to comb thru it Vertisce Soritenshi is correct, you're not going to get much love in this thread. Your whole posted reply is incorrect and shows just exactly how ignorant you really are..
That's not an Official CCP web site and it's not an Official CCP statement. That statement is simply conjecture based on hearsay. Note key word : Considered That whole story is a negative biased opinion based on hearsay and conjecture. Incarna is the name of an expansion, not the name of the rendering engine used to create Avatars in Eve.
FYI - You would be wise to tread lightly and make sure you don't cross any lines. CCP is now being very diligent with forum moderation and enforcing rules due to the recent FF fiasco. Just remember, Big Brother is watching. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1412
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Posted - 2012.04.06 08:04:00 -
[4370] - Quote
Offtopic posts removed.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
542
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Posted - 2012.04.06 10:47:00 -
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CCP ,you gave us a vision about WIS along time ago. What make you think this vision wasn,t right? Ok that first vision would not gave WIS much meaningful gameplay to EVE,but it was a good start a good platform to evolve to what a lot of the community wants.
After the summer rage you suddenly decided that vision was not right anymore. i know you listened to some Goons leader that we don,t need social interaction or like he was saying space pants in this game we all know why now, Social skills is not one of his strong points ,he made sure ,we know that.
Before searching for good gameplay (don,t get me wrong ,we need good gameplay)get in a good platform to start from first. and that first vision should be a good platform to work from.
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1426
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Posted - 2012.04.06 11:16:00 -
[4372] - Quote
Well, obviously CCP switching to the new graphics engine definitely had a lot to do with scrapping the old Ambulation work.
As for the plans of having Social areas for WiS, I could be mistaken but I don't recall seeing any Official CCP statement saying there wasn't going to be any Social areas implemented for WiS.
But when you think about it, this new content being added to the game should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. In doing so, I'm sure it's a very monumental task to undertake with a lot of obstacles to overcome.
And believe me, I'm not advocating that players should be allowed to gank Avatars right after they step out of the Captains Quarters. However, the option to do Avatar PvP should be included somewhere within WiS game play content. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
201
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Posted - 2012.04.06 11:53:00 -
[4373] - Quote
Its obvious that CCP's approach to WiS is now (as it should have been 6 years ago) to come up with some actual gameplay and interesting things to do for future iterations. Knocking out some sort of Second Life clone where there's nothing to do except pretending to get drunk in "social environments" and spending real money on fashion accessories isn't going to cut it.
If WiS is going to be anything more than a bad memory and the punchline to a joke, it needs to offer something new, something meaningful, something fun, and something which ties in with FiS. Not feature-free establishments, not a lonely character confined to their quarters, not existing abilities stolen from the hangar view and repackaged in avatar mode. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1426
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:10:00 -
[4374] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Its obvious that CCP's approach to WiS is now (as it should have been 6 years ago) to come up with some actual gameplay and interesting things to do for future iterations, and until they have done so, to leave it very much on the back burner. Knocking out some sort of Second Life clone where there's nothing to do except pretending to get drunk in "social environments" and spending real money on fashion accessories isn't going to cut it.
If WiS is going to be anything more than a bad memory and the punchline to a joke, it needs to offer something new, something meaningful, something fun, and something which ties in with FiS. Not feature-free establishments, not a lonely character confined to their quarters, not existing abilities stolen from the hangar view and repackaged in avatar mode.
When something is put on the back burner and left there, that basically prevents it from being further developed. Also if the amount of members in Team Avatar were to be doubled or tripled, it would increase their productivity allowing them to work on other aspects for WiS game play content. Such as Player Owned Establishments, Corporate Meeting Rooms, fully functional Command Centers, Avatar PvP action, etc.
First aspect is to get multiple Avatars able to be rendered in the same area doing limited interaction without causing lag, crashing to bluescreen or worse. The Social areas like Corporate Meeting Rooms and Player Owned Establishments would easily provide that platform. When that's up and running good, then it would be time to work on the next aspect - fully functioning Command Centers. After that is up and running good, the next aspect would be Avatar PvP action.
Holding back on releasing the first aspect until the last aspect is completed and working good sounds like a full blown major expansion, which would take years to develop. Maybe I'm viewing this incorrectly but since 2012 is all centered on FiS and War Mechanics, hopefully 2013 will have the first aspect for WiS released consisting of Player Owned Establishments and Corporate Meeting Rooms.
Maybe CCP plans to release all aspects at the same time and if that's the case, then no WiS expansions probably till 2015 at the earliest.
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
202
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:52:00 -
[4375] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Its obvious that CCP's approach to WiS is now (as it should have been 6 years ago) to come up with some actual gameplay and interesting things to do for future iterations, and until they have done so, to leave it very much on the back burner. Knocking out some sort of Second Life clone where there's nothing to do except pretending to get drunk in "social environments" and spending real money on fashion accessories isn't going to cut it.
If WiS is going to be anything more than a bad memory and the punchline to a joke, it needs to offer something new, something meaningful, something fun, and something which ties in with FiS. Not feature-free establishments, not a lonely character confined to their quarters, not existing abilities stolen from the hangar view and repackaged in avatar mode. When something is put on the back burner and left there, that basically prevents it from being further developed. Also if the amount of members in Team Avatar were to be doubled or tripled, it would increase their productivity allowing them to work on other aspects for WiS game play content. Such as Player Owned Establishments, Corporate Meeting Rooms, fully functional Command Centers, Avatar PvP action, etc.
Establishments aren't gameplay. Meeting rooms aren't gameplay. We already have features that provide the functions of these meeting rooms and establishments, they're known as corp forums, teamspeak/mumble/eve voice, and chat channels, and tying these pre-existing features into an avatar-based graphical interface adds nothing to Eve but a larger footprint on our hard drives and increased minimum specs to run the game.
The one, the only thing that matters to WiS right now is answering this: how does CCP make it interesting and fun. How does CCP make it something new that interacts with the existing playstyles in Eve, becomes an integral part of the gameplay, without becoming intrusive or removing functionality from existing features.
Quote:First aspect is to get multiple Avatars able to be rendered in the same area doing limited interaction without causing lag, crashing to bluescreen or worse. The Social areas like Corporate Meeting Rooms and Player Owned Establishments would easily provide that platform. When that's up and running good, then it would be time to work on the next aspect - fully functioning Command Centers. After that is up and running good, the next aspect would be Avatar PvP action. No, the first aspect is to let Team Avatar work out what WiS is for, work through the basic gameplay concepts, figure out what additions will make WiS fun and interesting, what types of gameplay should be included (or excluded), and what is pointless fluff. WiS has already been through multiple phases of "dammit, this idea just doesn't work, scrap it all and let's start again" since it was announced in 2006, there's no point running away with development on the latest greatest brainfart only to end up binning it a few months down the line. CCP have poured too much of their sweat, goodwill, and subscription revenue straight into Reykjavik harbour over the last six years to be making that mistake again.
Until the gameplay concepts are nailed down and agreed on and everyone involved is happy with them, demanding development man-hours be dedicated to multi-avatar interaction and bars and poker tables and PvPiS and recreating the Mos Eisley Cantina Band is dumb, because we don't even know whether there's going to be any of those things in the game. Or to quote Torfi directly from the Fanfest Keynote: "[O]ur vision for avatar gameplay - it relied heavily on socialising and customisation - and we took one step back, and we feel we need more serious gameplay in there, more game mechanics that relate more directly to the way the game is played out in space" Just because CCP were talking about establishments two years ago for Incarna, doesn't mean they're going to ever appear.
Quote:Holding back on releasing the first aspect until the last aspect is completed and working good sounds like a full blown major expansion, which would take years to develop. Maybe I'm viewing this incorrectly but since 2012 is all centered on FiS and War Mechanics, hopefully 2013 will have the first aspect for WiS released consisting of Player Owned Establishments and Corporate Meeting Rooms.
Maybe CCP plans to release all aspects at the same time and if that's the case, then no WiS expansions probably till 2015 at the earliest. Iteration is CCP's big thing now, expect everything to be done in stages for the foreseeable future. But that doesn't mean WiS is getting any significant attention any time soon until CCP knows exactly what they want the feature to be and how to implement it properly (although it seems they already know that a good starting point is to look at how Incarna was released and do the exact opposite. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
430
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:56:00 -
[4376] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:(stuff).
I disent. Provide people a way to interact and they will interact. What happens next will depend on the tools provided, but will be always larger than what you plan them to do. Social gameplay is the key to add WiS to the emergent experience of EVE.
So far A-Team is working on what is, essentially, dungeon raiding. Certainly that's gameplay, but also is "theme park MMO" content. Once you run the n-th dungeon, what use is left for WiS? (sounds ironical coming from a guy who ran over 2,000 missions in 3 years)... Anyway, this kind of "ride content" requires a lof ot developing: level building, stage triggering, NPC AI... And certainly it is fun and interesting; there are whole games based upon that... almost every mainstream MMO but EVE, to be frank. But, is "ride WiS" enough? EVE is about emergent gameplay, and that's all built upon how does people interact, and here we have it back: social gameplay is the mother of all emergent gameplay. We don't KNOW what people will do in advance, the same as most of EVE's 100 professions are not actually designed by CCP devs, rather emerged out of the mechanics.
You see, I've been smelling rats on the whole A-Team issue since the beginning. I do *want* to believe them but as far as we know they could be testing dungeon raiding gameplay for World of Darkness and we wouldn't be able to tell the difference (FAI).
People does what they want to do. Mittens wanted to leave the CSM with a flash and a bang and did it. And CCP wants to develop dungeon raiding in a couple years rather than put the existing avatars to an use.
They're entitled to do so, as it's their game. But we also are entitled to object to it. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
543
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Posted - 2012.04.06 18:39:00 -
[4377] - Quote
Quote:[quote=HELIC0N ONE Iteration is CCP's big thing now, expect everything to be done in stages for the foreseeable future. But that doesn't mean WiS is getting any significant attention any time soon until CCP knows exactly what they want the feature to be and how to implement it properly (although it seems they already know that a good starting point is to look at how Incarna was released and do the exact opposite).
CCP don,t know what they want with the feature called WIS. They are struggling to give WIS meaningful gameplay without having a good platform to start from. And now they try to implement WIS outside the station into dungeon like missions to get a good start the first parts of WIS don,t necessarily need meaningful gameplay as long it provides a platform to build on further pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:05:00 -
[4378] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:(stuff). I disent. Provide people a way to interact and they will interact. What happens next will depend on the tools provided, but will be always larger than what you plan them to do. Social gameplay is the key to add WiS to the emergent experience of EVE. The problem with 'Social Gameplay' is that, until recently, CCP were focused on the 'social' and forgot about the 'gameplay'. Allowing players the opportunity to interact is all very well but if all you provide is a rehash of existing tools with new graphics stuck on top what's the point? If I want to chat to other eve players I have in-game chat channels, I have voice comms, I have jabber, I have eve-o and other forums, I have Fanfest and local evemeets... why do I need CCP's art department to spend all those man-hours designing a pretend internet spacebar so I can socialise in the same way as I do already with some avatar graphics tacked on?
Soundwave was talking at Fanfest about how he thought mining was an under-rated form of 'social gameplay' because it enabled groups of people to come together and co-operate and keep each other involved, whilst if they were running it solo they'd give up through sheer mind-numbing boredom (I'm paraphrasing slightly). He probably has a point, but there still has to be an in-game gameplay purpose attached to the activity in the first place. Putting 10 avatars in a pretend bar with nothing to do but chat in the local channel that already exists, walk around the room, and buy pretend beer and pretend to get drunk isn't going to produce anything emergent or interesting. Those 10 player avatars may as well undock and go start a mining op. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
740
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:14:00 -
[4379] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote: lots of stuff
Well said.
The goon definitely understands how this is going to go down folks, read his post again very carefully and then you might too.
Anyone claiming that "if CCP would just build it, the players will come running" is being ridiculous, and selfish. If you just want WIS to socialize, I would suggest getting on teamspeak/skype/EVE Voice or etc, and not insist that CCP waste a crap-ton of resources again just so you can do it while also showing-off some space pants.
Anyone who thinks they smell a rat in the direction of team Avatar, should probably shower more often. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:28:00 -
[4380] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:CCP don,t know what they want with the feature called WIS. They are struggling to give WIS meaningful gameplay without having a good platform to start from. I mostly agree, WiS seems to have come about from the same 2005-06 mindset that bought us Titans and the White Wolf acquisition, where various CCP management types got intoxicated on their own hubris and decided "lets do X because it will be COOL AND AWESOME" without stopping to consider rationally how it should be implemented or what it would add to Eve or CCP as a whole, and as a result have suffered greatly from contact with harsh realities further down the road. Now that CCP and Eve have all these things they may as well try to make the best of them, but lets not mince words about the problems in the way they initially came about.
Quote:to get a good start the first parts of WIS don,t necessarily need meaningful gameplay as long it provides a platform to build on further Didn't CCP already try that approach when they released Incarna? I hear that expansion turned out really well. |
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Drevlon Rashon
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:40:00 -
[4381] - Quote
What a lot of people don't realize is a lot of the functionality of WiS is already there. Think of it as already having a map editor now you just need to add some stuff and skin it. I'm sure there are other things they would need to put in and program (such as gambling in station!!!). That would take some extra time, but the 18+ months they worked on WiS wouldn't need to be totally replicated. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1430
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:50:00 -
[4382] - Quote
Well, HELIC0N ONE wrote a well constructed reply which I commend him for but the main subject premise is flawed and incorrect even though Doc Fury states otherwise. The underlying theme in his reply is that all the various aspects of Ambulation that was promised by CCP years ago is not game play content and doesn't belong in Eve which by the way, players had expected that content with the Incarna expansion and obviously it wasn't delivered.
First I'd like to point out that making WiS content remove functionality from existing features or have interaction with WiS content mandatory is wrong. Removing the option of choice is something most players will rage about including me. That was one of the major issue's during the Incarna Rage Fest last summer.
Anyway, I think a lot of players will agree with me when I say that HELIC0N ONE is wrong, no matter how many times Doc Fury states otherwise. But for right now let's forget about players and take a look at CCP.
CCP advertises EVE Online as a Massive Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game (MMORPG) set in a futuristic SyFy space environment...
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
Quote:Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game (MMORPG) is a genre of role-playing video games in which a very large number of players interact with one another within a virtual game world.
As in all RPGs, players assume the role of a character (often in a fantasy world) and take control over many of that character's actions. MMORPGs are distinguished from single-player or small multi-player RPGs by the number of players, and by the game's persistent world (usually hosted by the game's publisher), which continues to exist and evolve while the player is offline and away from the game.
So going by that definition, enabling Avatars to interact within Corporate Meeting Rooms, Player Owned Establishments, Command Centers, etc, would add much more immersion to the Role-Playing aspect of Eve Online. Doesn't matter if you can already access all those functions via other controls. The point is if those aspects of WiS are left out, then Role Players will not view this game as interesting or fun. Basically they will be deprived of being able to enjoy a very important part of their playstyle.
As for HELIC0N ONE's statement: An avatar-based graphical interface adds nothing to Eve but a larger footprint on our hard drives and increased minimum specs to run the game.
I'm sorry but times are changing and people need to change with the times. In other words, upgrade your computer. I did and it wasn't something I wanted to do. 'Nuff said bout that'.
Now for HELIC0N ONE's statement about letting Team Avatar figure out what WiS is for, basic gameplay concepts, additions, what should be included / excluded, etc.
Well, I pretty much agree but point out the fact that Team Avatar has asked us, the player base, to submit our ideas and expectations for WiS content in this thread as well as the sticky thread in Features & Ideas sub-forum. I think Team Avatar will try to create and implement what the player base majority submits. So basically if the majority stated they want bars, poker tables and the Mos Eisley Cantina Band, then I imagine Team Avatar will probably be working on that.
In regards to the WiS content (so quaintly described as pointless fluff by HELIC0N ONE) which supposedly CCP will not be adding to WiS, this is what I have to say: I'll believe it when I see it.
Post a link to an Official CCP statement saying they will not be adding any Corporate Meeting Rooms, Player Owned Establishments, Command Centers, etc.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1430
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:58:00 -
[4383] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Soundwave was talking at Fanfest about how he thought mining was an under-rated form of 'social gameplay' because it enabled groups of people to come together and co-operate and keep each other involved, whilst if they were running it solo they'd give up through sheer mind-numbing boredom (I'm paraphrasing slightly). He probably has a point, but there still has to be an in-game gameplay purpose attached to the activity in the first place. Putting 10 avatars in a pretend bar with nothing to do but chat in the local channel that already exists, walk around the room, and buy pretend beer and pretend to get drunk isn't going to produce anything emergent or interesting. Those 10 player avatars may as well undock and go start a mining op.
I'd much rather waste time in a bar with other Avatars than sit alone in the docking bay spinning a ship.
Bottom line: what you propose goes against RPG's and players who indulge in that style of gameplay.
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:08:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:In regards to the WiS content (so quaintly described as pointless fluff by HELIC0N ONE) which supposedly CCP will not be adding to WiS, this is what I have to say: I'll believe it when I see it.
Post a link to an Official CCP statement saying they will not be adding any Corporate Meeting Rooms, Player Owned Establishments, Command Centers, etc. I've already provided a direct quotation from Eve's Creative Director saying that their initial concept for WiS, of 'social environments' and customisation, was flawed, that they've stopped working in that direction, and that currently the plan is to work on designing concrete gameplay styles that will relate more to the way Eve is already played on the other side of the undock.
You may as well be trying to claim that WiS will have lightsabres and cameos by The Powerpuff Girls, since I suspect there aren't any Official CCP Statements explicitly denying this either. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
269
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:12:00 -
[4385] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Soundwave was talking at Fanfest about how he thought mining was an under-rated form of 'social gameplay' because it enabled groups of people to come together and co-operate and keep each other involved, whilst if they were running it solo they'd give up through sheer mind-numbing boredom (I'm paraphrasing slightly). He probably has a point, but there still has to be an in-game gameplay purpose attached to the activity in the first place. Putting 10 avatars in a pretend bar with nothing to do but chat in the local channel that already exists, walk around the room, and buy pretend beer and pretend to get drunk isn't going to produce anything emergent or interesting. Those 10 player avatars may as well undock and go start a mining op.
I'd much rather waste time in a bar with other Avatars than sit alone in the docking bay spinning a ship. Bottom line: what you propose goes against RPG's and players who indulge in that style of gameplay.
Let them passively grind out what are currently NPC Trade Goods while they do it, I say.
Then make the Trade Goods props for portraits. I want to be holding a can of Quafe in mine.
Or maybe some kind of cool Planetary Weapon. Or some Boosters!!! Yeah, that'd be cool.
EXOTIC DANCERS! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1430
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:15:00 -
[4386] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote: If you just want WIS to socialize, I would suggest getting on teamspeak/skype/EVE Voice or etc, and not insist that CCP waste a crap-ton of resources again just so you can do it while also showing-off some space pants.
GAWD you fail hard without even trying.
Those 'resources' were wasted due to switching over to a new graphics engine. Teamspeak, Skype, EVE Voice, etc are communication venues, nothing more. Not to mention you also left out the Keyboard.
Anyway, this game is all about graphics and the visual experience which greatly adds to immersion. Also you really should do some research. Eve Online is advertised as a MMORPG. Look it up, read it and weep.
While you're at it, take your space pants troll crap somewhere else. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1430
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:24:00 -
[4387] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:In regards to the WiS content (so quaintly described as pointless fluff by HELIC0N ONE) which supposedly CCP will not be adding to WiS, this is what I have to say: I'll believe it when I see it.
Post a link to an Official CCP statement saying they will not be adding any Corporate Meeting Rooms, Player Owned Establishments, Command Centers, etc. I've already provided a direct quotation from Eve's Creative Director saying that their initial concept for WiS, of 'social environments' and customisation, was flawed, that they've stopped working in that direction, and that currently the plan is to work on designing concrete gameplay styles that will relate more to the way Eve is already played on the other side of the undock. You may as well be trying to claim that WiS will have lightsabres and cameos by The Powerpuff Girls, since I suspect there aren't any Official CCP Statements explicitly denying this either.
Oh yeah, you got me with that one, lightsabres and the Powerpuff Girls. You must have went to school for that one.
Anyway, nothing in that said CCP is not going to add any Corporate Meeting Rooms, Player Owned Establishments, Command Centers, etc.
But hey, keep telling yourself that.
What I see is CCP looking to expand the content to include some sort of PvP aspect along with the social aspect so that the WiS experience has something for everyone. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
431
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:29:00 -
[4388] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:In regards to the WiS content (so quaintly described as pointless fluff by HELIC0N ONE) which supposedly CCP will not be adding to WiS, this is what I have to say: I'll believe it when I see it.
Post a link to an Official CCP statement saying they will not be adding any Corporate Meeting Rooms, Player Owned Establishments, Command Centers, etc. I've already provided a direct quotation from Eve's Creative Director saying that their initial concept for WiS, of 'social environments' and customisation, was flawed, that they've stopped working in that direction, and that currently the plan is to work on designing concrete gameplay styles that will relate more to the way Eve is already played on the other side of the undock. You may as well be trying to claim that WiS will have lightsabres and cameos by The Powerpuff Girls, since I suspect there aren't any Official CCP Statements explicitly denying this either.
They say what they think, and we say what we think.
Now guess WHO pays WHO's wages.
And past April 30th I will not care about this game until i hear some news that make me feel like paying for it again.
BTW, I find it ironical that dungeon raiding is your idea of "EVE gameplay". They could as mcuh as add some new Lvl4's just for the sake of novelty. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:30:00 -
[4389] - Quote
As much as people use the term "role play" within this thread, I highly doubt many players actually alter their real life persona to play out a different character. Most players just go through the routines they are used to performing while slowly becoming similar to their real life persona. Whereas people can state that CCP have not given the tools, if a person can not alter themselves just by typing, then moving an avatar will not be much of an improvement.
Just my thoughts. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
432
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:48:00 -
[4390] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:As much as people use the term "role play" within this thread, I highly doubt many players actually alter their real life persona to play out a different character. Most players just go through the routines they are used to performing while slowly becoming similar to their real life persona. Whereas people can state that CCP have not given the tools, if a person can not alter themselves just by typing, then moving an avatar will not be much of an improvement.
Just my thoughts.
Well, EVE's roleplaying is quite faulty. All of my characters have got their own background and other details, but those are just some words. I, FAI, do have an explanation on why Indahmawar is currently wearing a blonde wig and has made up herself as if she was an older woman than she is.
You know, every ship in EVE is like the next one. See an Apocalypse, and you've seen all. Avatars are unique, and since Incursion, they are VERY unique. But alas, they also are uniquely useless.
And guess who's fault is this.
BTW, up above I already suggested a way to integrate dungeon raiding into EVE gameplay and EVE lore (through "drone clones" with augmentation modules, controlled from the safety of your pod, which also would open the door to in-station PvP blood sports). It's just another of the many ideas i've thrown into this thread and some others.
I've been ranting and forwarding ideas for months just because I care about EVE. I am not a cool player and I might be some freak who never played the game the way CCP told me, but nonetheless i enjoyed the game for three years and the last months of ranting in forums have been quite sad to live through. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1430
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:53:00 -
[4391] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:As much as people use the term "role play" within this thread, I highly doubt many players actually alter their real life persona to play out a different character. Most players just go through the routines they are used to performing while slowly becoming similar to their real life persona. Whereas people can state that CCP have not given the tools, if a person can not alter themselves just by typing, then moving an avatar will not be much of an improvement.
Just my thoughts. FYI - a lot of people role-play in this game. Visual content adds to the immersion for role-playing. If you're advocating that CCP should exclude game content that would add immersion for role-players then you're advocating that CCP needs to change all of their advertising and remove the RPG from the MMORPG . While they're at it, might as well scrap all the WiS stuff and just go back to how the game was before. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:01:00 -
[4392] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'd much rather waste time in a bar with other Avatars than sit alone in the docking bay spinning a ship
Bottom line: what you propose goes against RPG's and players who indulge in that style of gameplay. You realise that there are people in Eve, right now, right at this instant, who are capable of roleplaying without some pretty graphics of their character walking around in a room with other characters? You realise that there is a whole forum on eve-o dedicated to roleplayers and roleplaying? You realise that roleplayers have been a part of Eve since the very beginning, that CVA and Ushra'Khan were beating the crap out of each other for the glory of Amarr and the freedom of the Minmatar peoples before WiS was even a glimmer in CCP's eye?
Your insistence that roleplayers need CCP holding their hands and providing them a WiS environment because the poor little lambs are so unimaginative, and can't handle the suspension of belief unless they have bars and meeting rooms on screen in front of them, is not just laughably absurd but tremendously patronising. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1473
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:26:00 -
[4393] - Quote
That's fine. But there are also people in the game, right at this instant, that WANT to roleplay with pretty graphics of their character walking around in a room with other characters. Fact is, a lot of people don't play EvE for this reason alone. Most people cannot attribute their "character" to being a ship that they can't even customize. WiS was a big step in correcting this but still has a long way to go.
Everybody hears about EvE. Most don't play because it is either too hard or does not have the features they want in a game. Why else do you thing games that clone WoW, such as SWToR get millions of subs on the first day but EvE still sits below the half million mark even though it is a SciFi space game?
Ask any gamer playing another MMO about EvE. They will say either "It's too hard" or "I want to be more than just a ship.". EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1433
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Posted - 2012.04.06 22:04:00 -
[4394] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'd much rather waste time in a bar with other Avatars than sit alone in the docking bay spinning a ship
Bottom line: what you propose goes against RPG's and players who indulge in that style of gameplay. You realise that there are people in Eve, right now, right at this instant, who are capable of roleplaying without some pretty graphics of their character walking around in a room with other characters? You realise that there is a whole forum on eve-o dedicated to roleplayers and roleplaying? You realise that roleplayers have been a part of Eve since the very beginning, that CVA and Ushra'Khan were beating the crap out of each other for the glory of Amarr and the freedom of the Minmatar peoples before WiS was even a glimmer in CCP's eye? Your insistence that roleplayers need CCP holding their hands and providing them a WiS environment because the poor little lambs are so unimaginative, and can't handle the suspension of belief unless they have bars and meeting rooms on screen in front of them, is not just laughably absurd but tremendously patronising.
You do realize that everyone in this game can fly ships without some pretty graphics of their ships leaving engine trails or having the turrets be animated. You do realize that everyone can also play this game without Nebula's or having Stargates pointed to a specific star. I could go on and on but the question here is why did CCP spend time and resources to implement that. It's just pointless fluff. It definitely didn't add any meaningful new game play content nor was it needed to play the game.
Going by your philosophy then the answer would be that all the poor little FiS bears flying around in their little spaceships are so unimaginative, they couldn't handle the suspension of belief unless they had that content added to the game.
The correct answer is because it adds immersion. As I said before, this game is based on a visual experience which is intended to enhance the players enjoyment.
Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. |
bornaa
GRiD.
188
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Posted - 2012.04.06 22:09:00 -
[4395] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'd much rather waste time in a bar with other Avatars than sit alone in the docking bay spinning a ship
Bottom line: what you propose goes against RPG's and players who indulge in that style of gameplay. You realise that there are people in Eve, right now, right at this instant, who are capable of roleplaying without some pretty graphics of their character walking around in a room with other characters? You realise that there is a whole forum on eve-o dedicated to roleplayers and roleplaying? You realise that roleplayers have been a part of Eve since the very beginning, that CVA and Ushra'Khan were beating the crap out of each other for the glory of Amarr and the freedom of the Minmatar peoples before WiS was even a glimmer in CCP's eye? Your insistence that roleplayers need CCP holding their hands and providing them a WiS environment because the poor little lambs are so unimaginative, and can't handle the suspension of belief unless they have bars and meeting rooms on screen in front of them, is not just laughably absurd but tremendously patronising. You do realize that everyone in this game can fly ships without some pretty graphics of their ships leaving engine trails or having the turrets be animated. You do realize that everyone can also play this game without Nebula's or having Stargates pointed to a specific star. I could go on and on but the question here is why did CCP spend time and resources to implement that. It's just pointless fluff. It definitely didn't add any meaningful new game play content nor was it needed to play the game. Going by your philosophy then the answer would be that all the poor little FiS bears flying around in their little spaceships are so unimaginative, they couldn't handle the suspension of belief unless they had that content added to the game. The correct answer is because it adds immersion. As I said before, this game is based on a visual experience which is intended to enhance the players enjoyment. Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play.
Signed!!! I dont know if anybody could write it better!!! That Ain't Right |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
741
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Posted - 2012.04.07 01:42:00 -
[4396] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well.
Wait... Racist? What?
That word...I don't it means what you think it means.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.07 03:58:00 -
[4397] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Its obvious that CCP's approach to WiS is now (as it should have been 6 years ago) to come up with some actual gameplay and interesting things to do for future iterations, and until they have done so, to leave it very much on the back burner. Knocking out some sort of Second Life clone where there's nothing to do except pretending to get drunk in "social environments" and spending real money on fashion accessories isn't going to cut it.
If WiS is going to be anything more than a bad memory and the punchline to a joke, it needs to offer something new, something meaningful, something fun, and something which ties in with FiS. Not feature-free establishments, not a lonely character confined to their quarters, not existing abilities stolen from the hangar view and repackaged in avatar mode. When something is put on the back burner and left there, that basically prevents it from being further developed. Also if the amount of members in Team Avatar were to be doubled or tripled, it would increase their productivity allowing them to work on other aspects for WiS game play content. Such as Player Owned Establishments, Corporate Meeting Rooms, fully functional Command Centers, Avatar PvP action, etc. First aspect is to get multiple Avatars able to be rendered in the same area doing limited interaction without causing lag, crashing to bluescreen or worse. The Social areas like Corporate Meeting Rooms and Player Owned Establishments would easily provide that platform. When that's up and running good, then it would be time to work on the next aspect - fully functioning Command Centers. After that is up and running good, the next aspect would be Avatar PvP action. Holding back on releasing the first aspect until the last aspect is completed and working good sounds like a full blown major expansion, which would take years to develop. Maybe I'm viewing this incorrectly but since 2012 is all centered on FiS and War Mechanics, hopefully 2013 will have the first aspect for WiS released consisting of Player Owned Establishments and Corporate Meeting Rooms. Maybe CCP plans to release all aspects at the same time and if that's the case, then no WiS expansions probably till 2015 at the earliest. And again let's let CCP bang out the "quick and dirty" social features rather than meaningful gameplay. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
548
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Posted - 2012.04.07 04:20:00 -
[4398] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Its obvious that CCP's approach to WiS is now (as it should have been 6 years ago) to come up with some actual gameplay and interesting things to do for future iterations, and until they have done so, to leave it very much on the back burner. Knocking out some sort of Second Life clone where there's nothing to do except pretending to get drunk in "social environments" and spending real money on fashion accessories isn't going to cut it.
If WiS is going to be anything more than a bad memory and the punchline to a joke, it needs to offer something new, something meaningful, something fun, and something which ties in with FiS. Not feature-free establishments, not a lonely character confined to their quarters, not existing abilities stolen from the hangar view and repackaged in avatar mode. When something is put on the back burner and left there, that basically prevents it from being further developed. Also if the amount of members in Team Avatar were to be doubled or tripled, it would increase their productivity allowing them to work on other aspects for WiS game play content. Such as Player Owned Establishments, Corporate Meeting Rooms, fully functional Command Centers, Avatar PvP action, etc. First aspect is to get multiple Avatars able to be rendered in the same area doing limited interaction without causing lag, crashing to bluescreen or worse. The Social areas like Corporate Meeting Rooms and Player Owned Establishments would easily provide that platform. When that's up and running good, then it would be time to work on the next aspect - fully functioning Command Centers. After that is up and running good, the next aspect would be Avatar PvP action. Holding back on releasing the first aspect until the last aspect is completed and working good sounds like a full blown major expansion, which would take years to develop. Maybe I'm viewing this incorrectly but since 2012 is all centered on FiS and War Mechanics, hopefully 2013 will have the first aspect for WiS released consisting of Player Owned Establishments and Corporate Meeting Rooms. Maybe CCP plans to release all aspects at the same time and if that's the case, then no WiS expansions probably till 2015 at the earliest. And again let's let CCP bang out the "quick and dirty" social features rather than meaningful gameplay.
you have to start somewhere. The FIS part of EVE is not build overnight to what it is today. Even if CCP finds a way to add meaningful gameplay and don,t get me wrong ,i want WIS to be meaningful to EVE,some sort of social space in station in the form of corpmeeting rooms or commandcenters for the dustslaves is much wanted.
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.04.07 04:31:00 -
[4399] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
*sticks fingers in ears LALALA* before the thinly veiled threat
FYI - You would be wise to tread lightly and make sure you don't cross any lines. CCP is now being very diligent with forum moderation and enforcing rules due to the recent FF fiasco. Just remember, Big Brother is watching.
k, here got some homework for you then. Show me the CCP site that proves all that wrong then. Ill wait. Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Ai Shun
607
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Posted - 2012.04.07 06:16:00 -
[4400] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ask any gamer playing another MMO about EvE. They will say either "It's too hard" or "I want to be more than just a ship.".
You are more than a ship. You are an immortal god, striding amongst the stars forging a destiny for yourself. We're not Han Solo stepping in and out of the Millenium Falcon, we are floating in pod goo most of our lives. This ... preview of WiS ... was done wrong. It could have been done much better.
I still believe they have a lot of potential in their avatar based gameplay. But I'm more and more thinking they need to focus on the social aspects, the construction and manufacturing aspects and should release it as a whole new product line. There should be scope for us, as capsuleers, to be in on it. But we should be capsuleers.
We are the gods that walk amongst the stars. We're not bartenders.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
354
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Posted - 2012.04.07 06:33:00 -
[4401] - Quote
Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.07 07:42:00 -
[4402] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'd much rather waste time in a bar with other Avatars than sit alone in the docking bay spinning a ship
Bottom line: what you propose goes against RPG's and players who indulge in that style of gameplay. You realise that there are people in Eve, right now, right at this instant, who are capable of roleplaying without some pretty graphics of their character walking around in a room with other characters? You realise that there is a whole forum on eve-o dedicated to roleplayers and roleplaying? You realise that roleplayers have been a part of Eve since the very beginning, that CVA and Ushra'Khan were beating the crap out of each other for the glory of Amarr and the freedom of the Minmatar peoples before WiS was even a glimmer in CCP's eye? Your insistence that roleplayers need CCP holding their hands and providing them a WiS environment because the poor little lambs are so unimaginative, and can't handle the suspension of belief unless they have bars and meeting rooms on screen in front of them, is not just laughably absurd but tremendously patronising. You do realize that everyone in this game can fly ships without some pretty graphics of their ships leaving engine trails or having the turrets be animated. You do realize that everyone can also play this game without Nebula's or having Stargates pointed to a specific star. I could go on and on but the question here is why did CCP spend time and resources to implement that. It's just pointless fluff. It definitely didn't add any meaningful new game play content nor was it needed to play the game. Going by your philosophy then the answer would be that all the poor little FiS bears flying around in their little spaceships are so unimaginative, they couldn't handle the suspension of belief unless they had that content added to the game. The correct answer is because it adds immersion. As I said before, this game is based on a visual experience which is intended to enhance the players enjoyment. Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play.
Well it is rather unfortunate that you do not approve of CCP's efforts in graphically enhancing its existing gameplay, rather than investing into fancy avatars that currently has zero gameplay.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
443
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Posted - 2012.04.07 07:53:00 -
[4403] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool.
Certainly would be cool to have your "home" in EVE. But provided how this whole game is about sbdy burning your home to the basement while you sleep, i guess it's not a bright idea after all... unless you're an arsonist, of course. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
443
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Posted - 2012.04.07 08:05:00 -
[4404] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ask any gamer playing another MMO about EvE. They will say either "It's too hard" or "I want to be more than just a ship.". You are more than a ship. You are an immortal god, striding amongst the stars forging a destiny for yourself. We're not Han Solo stepping in and out of the Millenium Falcon, we are floating in pod goo most of our lives. This ... preview of WiS ... was done wrong. It could have been done much better. I still believe they have a lot of potential in their avatar based gameplay. But I'm more and more thinking they need to focus on the social aspects, the construction and manufacturing aspects and should release it as a whole new product line. There should be scope for us, as capsuleers, to be in on it. But we should be capsuleers. We are the gods that walk amongst the stars. We're not bartenders.
We're puppet masters that use expendable drone clones to talk to mortals. We are gods and drone clones are our avatars, as we only reveal ourselves to other gods.
Currently in the lore, capsuleers are mortal outside of their pod. But the DUST device opens the door to capsuleers taking risks as never before. Plug in a Socket 6 implant and control an avatar able to do what you would never do... to explore, to interact to mortals, and to die. It will be just a notch in the bill.
We use jump clones to drive ourselves into the mouth of death in space. Certainly we could pay for allowing us to do the same on the ground. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
548
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Posted - 2012.04.07 08:30:00 -
[4405] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'd much rather waste time in a bar with other Avatars than sit alone in the docking bay spinning a ship
Bottom line: what you propose goes against RPG's and players who indulge in that style of gameplay. You realise that there are people in Eve, right now, right at this instant, who are capable of roleplaying without some pretty graphics of their character walking around in a room with other characters? You realise that there is a whole forum on eve-o dedicated to roleplayers and roleplaying? You realise that roleplayers have been a part of Eve since the very beginning, that CVA and Ushra'Khan were beating the crap out of each other for the glory of Amarr and the freedom of the Minmatar peoples before WiS was even a glimmer in CCP's eye? Your insistence that roleplayers need CCP holding their hands and providing them a WiS environment because the poor little lambs are so unimaginative, and can't handle the suspension of belief unless they have bars and meeting rooms on screen in front of them, is not just laughably absurd but tremendously patronising. You do realize that everyone in this game can fly ships without some pretty graphics of their ships leaving engine trails or having the turrets be animated. You do realize that everyone can also play this game without Nebula's or having Stargates pointed to a specific star. I could go on and on but the question here is why did CCP spend time and resources to implement that. It's just pointless fluff. It definitely didn't add any meaningful new game play content nor was it needed to play the game. Going by your philosophy then the answer would be that all the poor little FiS bears flying around in their little spaceships are so unimaginative, they couldn't handle the suspension of belief unless they had that content added to the game. The correct answer is because it adds immersion. As I said before, this game is based on a visual experience which is intended to enhance the players enjoyment. Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. Well it is rather unfortunate that you do not approve of CCP's efforts in graphically enhancing its existing gameplay, rather than investing into fancy avatars that currently has zero gameplay.
Another ***** who needs to read the whole thread again that most Wislovers are happy the way FIS play is evolving right now
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
bornaa
GRiD.
193
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Posted - 2012.04.07 08:56:00 -
[4406] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool. Certainly would be cool to have your "home" in EVE. But provided how this whole game is about sbdy burning your home to the basement while you sleep, i guess it's not a bright idea after all... unless you're an arsonist, of course.
There was on FanFest that they want to make POS something that everybody wants scaling from your personal CQ to grand construction which can do many things. (words are different but message is the same) So i think there will be something like that.
And this is new hint that, at least, they are thinking about WiS everywhere. That Ain't Right |
bornaa
GRiD.
193
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Posted - 2012.04.07 09:01:00 -
[4407] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'd much rather waste time in a bar with other Avatars than sit alone in the docking bay spinning a ship
Bottom line: what you propose goes against RPG's and players who indulge in that style of gameplay. You realise that there are people in Eve, right now, right at this instant, who are capable of roleplaying without some pretty graphics of their character walking around in a room with other characters? You realise that there is a whole forum on eve-o dedicated to roleplayers and roleplaying? You realise that roleplayers have been a part of Eve since the very beginning, that CVA and Ushra'Khan were beating the crap out of each other for the glory of Amarr and the freedom of the Minmatar peoples before WiS was even a glimmer in CCP's eye? Your insistence that roleplayers need CCP holding their hands and providing them a WiS environment because the poor little lambs are so unimaginative, and can't handle the suspension of belief unless they have bars and meeting rooms on screen in front of them, is not just laughably absurd but tremendously patronising. You do realize that everyone in this game can fly ships without some pretty graphics of their ships leaving engine trails or having the turrets be animated. You do realize that everyone can also play this game without Nebula's or having Stargates pointed to a specific star. I could go on and on but the question here is why did CCP spend time and resources to implement that. It's just pointless fluff. It definitely didn't add any meaningful new game play content nor was it needed to play the game. Going by your philosophy then the answer would be that all the poor little FiS bears flying around in their little spaceships are so unimaginative, they couldn't handle the suspension of belief unless they had that content added to the game. The correct answer is because it adds immersion. As I said before, this game is based on a visual experience which is intended to enhance the players enjoyment. Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. Well it is rather unfortunate that you do not approve of CCP's efforts in graphically enhancing its existing gameplay, rather than investing into fancy avatars that currently has zero gameplay. Another ***** who needs to read the whole thread again that most Wislovers are happy the way FIS play is evolving right now
Don't hold your breath... some people know to troll only. Even if there is 100 times explained something, they will find that 101 post where is not to troll...
That's why i don't respond to people like that and like block feature of new forums. That Ain't Right |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.04.07 12:16:00 -
[4408] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:You do realize that everyone in this game can fly ships without some pretty graphics of their ships leaving engine trails or having the turrets be animated. You do realize that everyone can also play this game without Nebula's or having Stargates pointed to a specific star. I could go on and on but the question here is why did CCP spend time and resources to implement that. It's just pointless fluff. It definitely didn't add any meaningful new game play content nor was it needed to play the game.
The gameplay for spaceship-based activities already exists, so CCP have the luxury of adding graphical enhancements (as well as fixing and adding content).
Gameplay for WiS is currently non-existent, so CCP need to prioritise work on adding fun, interesting and meaningful things to do on foot rather than trying to dazzle us with feature-free and vacuous nonsense like "social environments". Crying out "won't somebody please think of the children roleplayers" doesn't change that, because like the rest of us, roleplayers want fun, interesting and meaningful things to do as well.
Quote:The correct answer is because it adds immersion. As I said before, this game is based on a visual experience which is intended to enhance the players enjoyment. This game is a spreadsheet, and the typical player zooms all the way out in order to maximise their situational awareness on the tactical overlay. Graphical updates are nice to have, and CCP has an art department so they may as well use it for updating existing graphical assets when they're not working on new things, but they're not nearly as important as gameplay content.
Quote:Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. Your shrieking and random name-calling aside, its amazing and hilarious that you should state that WiS should 'appeal to all styles of gameplay' whilst simultaneously advocating that WiS development focus on zero-gameplay establishments and graphical style-over-content rather than features with actual things for players to do.
Unfortunately for you and luckily for Eve, Torfi clearly stated in the keynote they're working on adding substantial meaningful gameplay and that establishments were no longer the focus of WiS. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.07 12:20:00 -
[4409] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'd much rather waste time in a bar with other Avatars than sit alone in the docking bay spinning a ship
Bottom line: what you propose goes against RPG's and players who indulge in that style of gameplay. You realise that there are people in Eve, right now, right at this instant, who are capable of roleplaying without some pretty graphics of their character walking around in a room with other characters? You realise that there is a whole forum on eve-o dedicated to roleplayers and roleplaying? You realise that roleplayers have been a part of Eve since the very beginning, that CVA and Ushra'Khan were beating the crap out of each other for the glory of Amarr and the freedom of the Minmatar peoples before WiS was even a glimmer in CCP's eye? Your insistence that roleplayers need CCP holding their hands and providing them a WiS environment because the poor little lambs are so unimaginative, and can't handle the suspension of belief unless they have bars and meeting rooms on screen in front of them, is not just laughably absurd but tremendously patronising. You do realize that everyone in this game can fly ships without some pretty graphics of their ships leaving engine trails or having the turrets be animated. You do realize that everyone can also play this game without Nebula's or having Stargates pointed to a specific star. I could go on and on but the question here is why did CCP spend time and resources to implement that. It's just pointless fluff. It definitely didn't add any meaningful new game play content nor was it needed to play the game. Going by your philosophy then the answer would be that all the poor little FiS bears flying around in their little spaceships are so unimaginative, they couldn't handle the suspension of belief unless they had that content added to the game. The correct answer is because it adds immersion. As I said before, this game is based on a visual experience which is intended to enhance the players enjoyment. Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. Well it is rather unfortunate that you do not approve of CCP's efforts in graphically enhancing its existing gameplay, rather than investing into fancy avatars that currently has zero gameplay. Another ***** who needs to read the whole thread again that most Wislovers are happy the way FIS play is evolving right now no you are the ****** writing horrible poetry. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
443
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Posted - 2012.04.07 16:34:00 -
[4410] - Quote
bornaa wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool. Certainly would be cool to have your "home" in EVE. But provided how this whole game is about sbdy burning your home to the basement while you sleep, i guess it's not a bright idea after all... unless you're an arsonist, of course. There was on FanFest that they want to make POS something that everybody wants scaling from your personal CQ to grand construction which can do many things. (words are different but message is the same) So i think there will be something like that. And this is new hint that, at least, they are thinking about WiS everywhere.
Yes, so then griefers can blow your CQ at will. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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bornaa
GRiD.
193
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Posted - 2012.04.07 16:38:00 -
[4411] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bornaa wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool. Certainly would be cool to have your "home" in EVE. But provided how this whole game is about sbdy burning your home to the basement while you sleep, i guess it's not a bright idea after all... unless you're an arsonist, of course. There was on FanFest that they want to make POS something that everybody wants scaling from your personal CQ to grand construction which can do many things. (words are different but message is the same) So i think there will be something like that. And this is new hint that, at least, they are thinking about WiS everywhere. Yes, so then griefers can blow your CQ at will.
I think there goes that other part of sentence "with so many guns that you can hardy see the surface if structure" But, with this info that we got, it seems that that is the case. That Ain't Right |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
743
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Posted - 2012.04.07 16:39:00 -
[4412] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Cartman wrote:Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. Your shrieking and random name-calling aside, its amazing and hilarious that you should state that WiS should 'appeal to all styles of gameplay' whilst simultaneously advocating that WiS development focus on zero-gameplay establishments and graphical style-over-content rather than features with actual things for players to do. Unfortunately for you and luckily for Eve, Torfi clearly stated in the keynote they're working on adding substantial meaningful gameplay and that establishments were no longer the focus of WiS.
I read DMC's posts in this thread in Cartman's voice, so whenever he comes unhinged with his personal attacks and threatening to report posts it's actually quite hilarious. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
549
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:16:00 -
[4413] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
no you are the ****** writing horrible poetry. I read the posts, it's always about either the quick and dirty social gaming, or some sort of 100% safe wis-pve made possible by "drones". Now I know the term "pants" is now classified as derogatory, but please don't equate new turret animations and nebulae with new pants for avatars.
oh man, this proves ,you don,t really follow this thread If you did you knew ,not all of us are afraid of in station pvp . and some sort of social room like the corproom of some commandcenter to interact with the dustslaves is the least WIS could have. pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:45:00 -
[4414] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: oh man, this proves ,you don,t really follow this thread If you did you knew ,not all of us are afraid of in station pvp . and some sort of social room like the corproom of some commandcenter to interact with the dustslaves is the least WIS could have.
I hope that interaction does not begin with you calling them slaves. FPS may not be your thing, but let's not start calling others' playstyle derogatory names, there were plenty of insulting names for wis would you like to hear them again? |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:46:00 -
[4415] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well.
Wait... Racist? What? That word...I don't it means what you think it means. explain racist. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
549
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:56:00 -
[4416] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: oh man, this proves ,you don,t really follow this thread If you did you knew ,not all of us are afraid of in station pvp . and some sort of social room like the corproom of some commandcenter to interact with the dustslaves is the least WIS could have.
I hope that interaction does not begin with you calling them slaves. FPS may not be your thing, but let's not start calling others' playstyle derogatory names, there were plenty of insulting names for wis would you like to hear them again?
dust bunnies dust mites dust slaves who cares !!!
space barbies doll lovers space dolls emoters space pants who cares !!!
Pls add some more if i forgot to add some
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 18:09:00 -
[4417] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:As much as people use the term "role play" within this thread, I highly doubt many players actually alter their real life persona to play out a different character. Most players just go through the routines they are used to performing while slowly becoming similar to their real life persona. Whereas people can state that CCP have not given the tools, if a person can not alter themselves just by typing, then moving an avatar will not be much of an improvement.
Just my thoughts.
Here's a kid that's never even heard of table top. Honestly what an incredibly chauvinistic view "I don't play that way, so I doubt anyone does".
Eve can be incredibly immersive as it is, as long as you avoid certain deal-breakers (voice chat being chief among them). There is nothing wrong with advocating for additional tools to keep that immersion going.
Personally I would love to be able to stroll along inside my ship. Set auto pilot, squirt out of my egg into a changing room, then walk out onto the bridge and putz around. "Omg tis not meaningfulz!?" It's not meaningful to you, but it is incredibly meaningful to me.
Meaningful is a word synonymous with purpose. The purpose is immersion or Role Playing.
Just because it's not your style, doesn't mean it is wrong or does not exist. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.04.07 18:19:00 -
[4418] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:As much as people use the term "role play" within this thread, I highly doubt many players actually alter their real life persona to play out a different character. Most players just go through the routines they are used to performing while slowly becoming similar to their real life persona. Whereas people can state that CCP have not given the tools, if a person can not alter themselves just by typing, then moving an avatar will not be much of an improvement.
Just my thoughts.
Role play seems to be the basic defense used against anything from drunken things being done stupidly IRL to bad implimentations made by the company Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Nura Taron
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 19:41:00 -
[4419] - Quote
I do want WIS, just not to the exclusion of the actual game. The problem wasn't that were were working on space barbies, it's that they were working so hard on space barbies they were completely ignoring the part of the game that has actual gameplay in it; space. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
443
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:00:00 -
[4420] - Quote
Nura Taron wrote:I do want WIS, just not to the exclusion of the actual game. The problem wasn't that were were working on space barbies, it's that they were working so hard on space barbies they were completely ignoring the part of the game that has actual gameplay in it; space.
No. They were working hard rebuilding the graphic engine, the UI code and the core libraries -some 2 million lines of code, about 500+ megabytes of files, and many of them hadn't been touched since 2003 and nobody knew what was inside of them as undocumented Python code is a complete mess.
Those where the infamous "18 months", and during them almost nothing was made for gameplay. The first implementation of the "18 months" code was to be an early release of "Incarna" project, including WiS stuff, but all was a complete mess. Incarna was anything but ready for launch, plus the CQ interface was shoved down everybody's throats, plus CQ was mixed with the NEx store and its awful pricing, plus awful graphic performance from the new and unoptimized engine, plus the "timely" leaks of in-house documents, plus a 10 million $ loan due on october 28th as the subcriptions plummeted after Incarna.
That led to 20% layoffs, Crucible, serious in-house reflexion, and the current re-focus on broken/uniterated FiS fetures that accidentally means giving the finger to people who already were cheated with the incarna failed release.
Plus CCP mistaking the nullsec PvP whining minority for "the customers", which is leading CCP to step on the toes of maybe as much as 72% of their subscribers and astraying to make happy 15% of the players at the expense of everybody else. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:14:00 -
[4421] - Quote
Panacani wrote:Here's a kid that's never even heard of table top. Honestly what an incredibly chauvinistic view "I don't play that way, so I doubt anyone does".
I cut my teeth on Dungeons and Dragons before I became involved with the Advanced version with the second edition additions to the various rules. I probably have the original edition of "Deities and Demigods" too. Those who were around then would know exactly why I state that.
Ironic you call me chauvinistic while being patronizing. Since you did not understand what I originally wrote, I will assume you think you're pretty smart in real life too...
Panacani wrote:Eve can be incredibly immersive as it is, as long as you avoid certain deal-breakers (voice chat being chief among them). There is nothing wrong with advocating for additional tools to keep that immersion going.
Personally I would love to be able to stroll along inside my ship. Set auto pilot, squirt out of my egg into a changing room, then walk out onto the bridge and putz around. "Omg tis not meaningfulz!?" It's not meaningful to you, but it is incredibly meaningful to me.
Meaningful is a word synonymous with purpose. The purpose is immersion or Role Playing.
Just because it's not your style, doesn't mean it is wrong or does not exist.
And what is stopping you visualizing your ship drifting through space while you are walking around your ship? Oh yes - you need a concrete visual. Your mind's eye can not piecemeal a ship's interior with you strolling around, admiring the view. You probably can not type out some emote in a random chat channel while imaging your avatar doing those actions. Since my original text said in a paraphrased bit that those that can not act instinctively with a mere keyboard will probably not fare much better with given visuals. Yet somehow you determined I feel role playing should be thrown out - try again.
If you read any of the old lore CCP released (and was not retroactively rewritten), then you would know our ships are different than the standard heavily crewed versions since our avatars within the pod control nearly all the aspects of said ship. So walking around the ship itself would not be ideal since it would be quite vunerable, if even operational, without our interactions.
At the ripe old age of zero days old, I bet you have a grand history to fall back upon too long time role player being denied by big old mean me... |
Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:47:00 -
[4422] - Quote
Yes you're right, what I said was pretty childish. But when you say things like...
"Most players just go through the routines they are used to performing while slowly becoming similar to their real life persona."
...the rest of your message gets lost. In any context, that sentence is essentially saying there are no Eve role players. I apologize for the childish remark, but not for the content of my post.
As for my character age, shrug. I have no interest in perma-wars against forum junkies. If that makes my opinion less valid, then please ignore it.
PS "you call me chauvinistic while being patronizing" is not irony. Childish, but not ironic. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
354
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:59:00 -
[4423] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bornaa wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool. Certainly would be cool to have your "home" in EVE. But provided how this whole game is about sbdy burning your home to the basement while you sleep, i guess it's not a bright idea after all... unless you're an arsonist, of course. There was on FanFest that they want to make POS something that everybody wants scaling from your personal CQ to grand construction which can do many things. (words are different but message is the same) So i think there will be something like that. And this is new hint that, at least, they are thinking about WiS everywhere. Yes, so then griefers can blow your CQ at will.
Well it does depend on where you build your POS. Griefers can't 'simply' blow up your POS in high sec.
And in any case. So what?
I think it would be a awesome if other players could disable your shields, dock at your POS, and wait for you to come home and sit down on the couch with a can of quafe in your hands, and then blow your brains out just as you begin to nod off.
Oh and then tea bag your corpse. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:20:00 -
[4424] - Quote
Shouldnt
Quote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Third, stop trying to derail this thread. Your reply is off topic and nothing more than a troll post. It's obvious your intention is to create a flame war. As such your reply is now reported. If you continue posting off topic replies in this thread, I as well as others, will use the 'Report' option every time.
this guy be slamming that report button till it breaks on
RAP ACTION HERO wrote: no you are the ****** writing horrible poetry. I read the posts, it's always about either the quick and dirty social gaming, or some sort of 100% safe wis-pve made possible by "drones". Now I know the term "pants" is now classified as derogatory, but please don't equate new turret animations and nebulae with new pants for avatars.
This guy? Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:24:00 -
[4425] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bornaa wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool. Certainly would be cool to have your "home" in EVE. But provided how this whole game is about sbdy burning your home to the basement while you sleep, i guess it's not a bright idea after all... unless you're an arsonist, of course. There was on FanFest that they want to make POS something that everybody wants scaling from your personal CQ to grand construction which can do many things. (words are different but message is the same) So i think there will be something like that. And this is new hint that, at least, they are thinking about WiS everywhere. Yes, so then griefers can blow your CQ at will.
I'd hope it would follow the same rules as now. I've never directly handled POS myself, but if you put one up in high sec do you need to wardec the parent corp? If so, then a day notice to evacuate (assuming they had the numbers to overrun your defenses) seems reasonable to me. The idea of owning a "home" type structure would be pretty neat. As long as it would be customize able. |
Pop Bear
12
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:32:00 -
[4426] - Quote
oh look, posting in page 209 for a feature to be maybe relesed in 2150, Sweet.... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1479
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Posted - 2012.04.08 05:10:00 -
[4427] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:You do realize that everyone in this game can fly ships without some pretty graphics of their ships leaving engine trails or having the turrets be animated. You do realize that everyone can also play this game without Nebula's or having Stargates pointed to a specific star. I could go on and on but the question here is why did CCP spend time and resources to implement that. It's just pointless fluff. It definitely didn't add any meaningful new game play content nor was it needed to play the game. The gameplay for spaceship-based activities already exists, so CCP have the luxury of adding graphical enhancements (as well as fixing and adding content). Gameplay for WiS is currently non-existent, so CCP need to prioritise work on adding fun, interesting and meaningful things to do on foot rather than trying to dazzle us with feature-free and vacuous nonsense like "social environments". Crying out "won't somebody please think of the children roleplayers" doesn't change that, because like the rest of us, roleplayers want fun, interesting and meaningful things to do as well. Quote:The correct answer is because it adds immersion. As I said before, this game is based on a visual experience which is intended to enhance the players enjoyment. This game is a spreadsheet, and the typical player zooms all the way out in order to maximise their situational awareness on the tactical overlay. Graphical updates are nice to have, and CCP has an art department so they may as well use it for updating existing graphical assets when they're not working on new things, but they're not nearly as important as gameplay content. Quote:Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. Your shrieking and random name-calling aside, its amazing and hilarious that you should state that WiS should 'appeal to all styles of gameplay' whilst simultaneously advocating that WiS development focus on zero-gameplay establishments and graphical style-over-content rather than features with actual things for players to do. Unfortunately for you and luckily for Eve, Torfi clearly stated in the keynote they're working on adding substantial meaningful gameplay and that establishments were no longer the focus of WiS.
Each time you post a rebuttal, you keep stretching the truth out of shape in typical troll behavior by misrepresenting the facts, twisting everything around and portraying it all out of context. Then to top it all off you heap a big pile of lies on it, all in a failed attempt at trying to prove you're right. What's hilarious is watching you try to manipulate and change everything around to justify your own viewpoint. It really doesn't matter how many times you post your bullcrap, others know the true facts just by reading the past few pages.
FYI - There was no shrieking or random name calling, just a statement of facts derived from reading your replies. Thanks for proving once again that my original observation was indeed correct.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1479
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Posted - 2012.04.08 07:19:00 -
[4428] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:
I read DMC's posts in this thread in Cartman's voice, so whenever he comes unhinged with his personal attacks and threatening to report posts it's actually quite hilarious.
Your posting is reminiscent of Pee Wee Herman mentality. I would say it's hilarious but actually it's quite sad how you try to maintain a semblance of intelligence with your obvious trolling. |
Ai Shun
614
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Posted - 2012.04.08 07:52:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Each time you post a rebuttal, you keep stretching the truth out of shape in typical troll behavior by misrepresenting the facts, twisting everything around and portraying it all out of context with selective quoting. Then to top it all off you heap a big pile of lies on it, all in a failed attempt at trying to prove you're right. What's hilarious is watching you try to manipulate and change everything around to justify your own viewpoint. It really doesn't matter how many times you post your bullcrap, others know the true facts just by reading the past few pages.
FYI - There was no shrieking or random name calling, just a statement of facts derived from reading your replies. Thanks for proving once again that my original observation was indeed correct.
Please stay on topic. Your off-topic posts where you personally attack other players will be reported. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1421
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Posted - 2012.04.08 08:16:00 -
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Offtopic posts removed.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Jonas Xiamon
61
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Posted - 2012.04.08 08:19:00 -
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>Contraband Items taken off market >Contraband items can only be bought in WiS >Add more contraband items >Add coffee shop features >Problem solved. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.04.08 08:54:00 -
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Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS
Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game?
Here's a similarly dumb counter-proposal: you can only access WiS if you've achieved 50 PvP kills in the previous month. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
254
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:23:00 -
[4433] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game?
Isn't that like saying, why should i have to go into wormholes to salvage sleeper wrecks?
Although i don't think an existing part of the game should me changed to only be accessible through a future release of WIS, creating a new mechanic that is missing from the game could work for it.
For example, you could release a new set of skills that let you retrieve implant bpc's from frozen corpses using a stations service. Maybe it could be done through some sort of skill based mini-game. |
Jonas Xiamon
64
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:22:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game? Here's a similarly dumb counter-proposal: you can only access WiS if you've achieved 50 PvP kills in the previous month.
Why would illegal drugs be traded in mass quantities on the open market? Ridiculous. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
Kyle Valentine
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:42:00 -
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Inventing personnal weapons and vehicules with all these science skills. Giving it a name and an unique look, and producing it "en masse" for the DUST players.
Perhaps even illegal weapons. |
nartela
Crimson Technology
0
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:06:00 -
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after all that work they shouldnt abandon it theyve got the framework now such as the avatars and such, im still waiting for the awsome corp headquarters that they promised us. the pro's of having it in outway the cons in my opinion.
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:21:00 -
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Jonas Xiamon wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game Here's a similarly dumb counter-proposal: you can only access WiS if you've achieved 50 PvP kills in the previous month. Why would illegal drugs be traded in mass quantities on the open market? Ridiculous.
If you want a different type of market window to handle the black market, ok, fine. If you want contraband to only be available through direct trade with someone else in the same station, again, fine
There's no particularly good reason why you should need to switch to WiS mode to access those though, and again, you're falling into the error of Captain's Quarters by saying "this feature has no gameplay so we'll hijack features from other areas of the game to get people to use it." |
bornaa
GRiD.
196
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:46:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game Here's a similarly dumb counter-proposal: you can only access WiS if you've achieved 50 PvP kills in the previous month. Why would illegal drugs be traded in mass quantities on the open market? Ridiculous. If you want a different type of market window to handle the black market, ok, fine. If you want contraband to only be available through direct trade with someone else in the same station, again, fine There's no particularly good reason why you should need to switch to WiS mode to access those though, and again, you're falling into the error of Captain's Quarters by saying "this feature has no gameplay so we'll hijack features from other areas of the game to get people to use it."
As i know CCP said that boosters and all illegal things will be only traded via WiS because when we are in pods we are connected with many computers and records of all things we do are there, so records of trading contraband (illegal) goods are there too. That is logical thing, if you don't want concord intervention in few seconds do not engage illegal things when you are being tracked and every your move is recorded.
To trade all illegal things you need to be disconnected from the computers grids and you are not connected only when you are out of your pod. Then you can engage every illegal activity you want because there are not records of you doing it (just stay away from security cameras).
So, not be able to engage illegal activities from your pod, without concord intervention, is absolutely logical and i support that. That Ain't Right |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
82
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:52:00 -
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WIS will come eventually, it has to
On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Severian Carnifex
153
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:59:00 -
[4440] - Quote
Lyron-Baktos wrote:WIS will come eventually, it has to
Unfortunately, WIS does not have to see day light. EVE can die before they realize that WiS is new EVEs life. |
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Severian Carnifex
153
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Posted - 2012.04.08 15:03:00 -
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bornaa wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game Here's a similarly dumb counter-proposal: you can only access WiS if you've achieved 50 PvP kills in the previous month. Why would illegal drugs be traded in mass quantities on the open market? Ridiculous. If you want a different type of market window to handle the black market, ok, fine. If you want contraband to only be available through direct trade with someone else in the same station, again, fine There's no particularly good reason why you should need to switch to WiS mode to access those though, and again, you're falling into the error of Captain's Quarters by saying "this feature has no gameplay so we'll hijack features from other areas of the game to get people to use it." As i know CCP said that boosters and all illegal things will be only traded via WiS because when we are in pods we are connected with many computers and records of all things we do are there, so records of trading contraband (illegal) goods are there too. That is logical thing, if you don't want concord intervention in few seconds do not engage illegal things when you are being tracked and every your move is recorded. To trade all illegal things you need to be disconnected from the computers grids and you are not connected only when you are out of your pod. Then you can engage every illegal activity you want because there are not records of you doing it (just stay away from security cameras). So, not be able to engage illegal activities from your pod, without concord intervention, is absolutely logical and i support that.
Logical, and really good point. If you do engage in illegal activities and you don't want to be caught, do it in some dark alley and not on the main square. And our pods interface is the main square of EVE universe. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
66
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Posted - 2012.04.08 21:53:00 -
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Hmm, I just hope avatar gameplay will at one point include things that WiS lovers actually want, and not only things that might convince FiS lovers that avatar gameplay can actually add something to the game (when they get the chance to lock up WiS players in derelict ships).
For me and some other WiS lovers, social interaction is a big thing. There are many things I would like more than do exploration in avatar form: Corporate meeting rooms, war rooms, bars. And if these exploration enviroments are accessable by multiple avatars at the same time, I see no reason why we can't have a simple room where our avatars can talk to eachother. This new vision that social gameplay isn't gameplay concerns me. I think the social/RP side of avatar gameplay is one of the important ones, especially for those that actually want WiS. Just because people didn't like the single player version of Incarna does not mean they don't want social interaction, more like the opposite (but not really).
So yes, maybe social stuff is something that mostly caters to roleplayers, but when is the last time EVE got some mostly RP oriented feature? Heck, to my knowledge, in the years that FiS crowd was "neglected", they got more features made for them than the roleplayers have. Actually, the best thing roleplayers got in EVE's existence is not in the game at all: the new fiction portal. Not that is should be ingame, but my point is: FiS crowd have plenty of S to F in, miners got their asteroids, traders got their markets, industrialists got their factorys, etc. etc. I think it's time that EVE got a feature that is mostly made for the roleplayers, especially because the RP side of EVE is often mostly forgotten about in other features (which is also bad because IMO they would be better and more interesting for everyone if they did pay some more attention to that side).
A positive ending now: I am looking forward to the time I will be able to gain and lose weight, age, etc. |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
1
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Posted - 2012.04.08 22:27:00 -
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I don't care at all about being able to fight as my avatar. I would like to walk around stations or other areas, though. And for researching and other activities, it would be cool to have new and better interfaces for that. It would just be fun to interact with other avatars in some way, but don't care about it being a combat thing.
Mostly I would love to be able to play poker, blackjack and other casino games at casinos. That would be awesome. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.04.08 22:30:00 -
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Ydnari wrote:Abandon WiS.
This Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
53
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Posted - 2012.04.09 00:39:00 -
[4445] - Quote
Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.
In my opinion, immersion is about scope and depth. DUST will add depth to the EVE universe by allowing for a different, more casual type of action-driven gameplay while still allowing for full participation in our storyline. Perhaps, in the future, another client will allow room for more social gameplay, such as we'd expect to see in World of Darkness (except based in science fiction). Maybe instead of the current EVE Launcher, we'll see a composite launcher which allows us to launch our character into EVE, DUST or the social game. Perhaps new, AI, logic and physics engines will allow us to do nearly anything we can imagine.
If threadnoughts like this prove anything, its that some EVE players want EVE to focus on spaceships, while others clearly demonstrate a demand for avatar-based gameplay. I, for one, would welcome a comprehensive sci-fi simulator, a thoroughly fleshed-out universe which allows us to immerse ourselves in a life of the future. Hilmar said it himself: EVE's "Future Vision" is still very relevant. I just wouldn't expect it to happen overnight. |
Hroya
28
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Posted - 2012.04.09 00:45:00 -
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Daneirkus Auralex,
Well said. Nothing to add to that. You go your corridor but. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.04.09 01:57:00 -
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Hroya wrote:Daneirkus Auralex,
Well said. Nothing to add to that.
same
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Selinate
846
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Posted - 2012.04.09 02:37:00 -
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Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.
In my opinion, immersion is about scope and depth. DUST will add both to the EVE universe by allowing for a different, more casual type of action-driven gameplay while still allowing for full participation in our storyline. Perhaps, in the future, another client will allow room for more social gameplay, such as we'd expect to see in World of Darkness (except based in science fiction). Maybe instead of the current EVE Launcher, we'll see a composite launcher which allows us to launch our character into EVE, DUST or the social game. Perhaps new AI, logic and physics engines will allow us to do nearly anything we can imagine.
If threadnoughts like this prove anything, its that some EVE players want EVE to focus on spaceships, while others clearly demonstrate a demand for avatar-based gameplay. I, for one, would welcome a comprehensive sci-fi simulator, a thoroughly fleshed-out universe which allows us to immerse ourselves in a life of the future. Hilmar said it himself: EVE's "Future Vision" is still very relevant. I just wouldn't expect it to happen overnight.
CCP was not forced to remember this fact at great cost, I don't think. The main reason that the vast majority of players got overwhelmingly angry at WiS is the fact that it was forced upon them every time they docked, ergo they were forced to remember not to force something on their entire playerbase. For many, their CPU's couldn't handle the station environment well at all, so it frustrated them quite a bit. This is my theory at least, as I thought aside from that, Incarna was a great expansion. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.04.09 02:42:00 -
[4449] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.
In my opinion, immersion is about scope and depth. DUST will add both to the EVE universe by allowing for a different, more casual type of action-driven gameplay while still allowing for full participation in our storyline. Perhaps, in the future, another client will allow room for more social gameplay, such as we'd expect to see in World of Darkness (except based in science fiction). Maybe instead of the current EVE Launcher, we'll see a composite launcher which allows us to launch our character into EVE, DUST or the social game. Perhaps new AI, logic and physics engines will allow us to do nearly anything we can imagine.
If threadnoughts like this prove anything, its that some EVE players want EVE to focus on spaceships, while others clearly demonstrate a demand for avatar-based gameplay. I, for one, would welcome a comprehensive sci-fi simulator, a thoroughly fleshed-out universe which allows us to immerse ourselves in a life of the future. Hilmar said it himself: EVE's "Future Vision" is still very relevant. I just wouldn't expect it to happen overnight. CCP was not forced to remember this fact at great cost, I don't think.
20% of the company isnt at great cost? Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Jonas Xiamon
67
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Posted - 2012.04.09 02:47:00 -
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Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.
For me, it's not just a game about spaceships, it's a space simulator. Sure I undock, but I also spend a large amount of time in stations, playing the market, RPing, forum warrioring, eft warrioring, etc. I'm not just a space pilot, I'm a space sociolite, a space engineer, a space entrepenuer. I love pew pew, I suck at it, but I love it, and I think eve need to continue developing it's pew pew.
However, I feel that it should also develop other aspects of the same game, the game inside the stations.
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:In my opinion, immersion is about scope and depth. DUST will add both to the EVE universe by allowing for a different, more casual type of action-driven gameplay while still allowing for full participation in our storyline. Perhaps, in the future, another client will allow room for more social gameplay, such as we'd expect to see in World of Darkness (except based in science fiction). Maybe instead of the current EVE Launcher, we'll see a composite launcher which allows us to launch our character into EVE, DUST or the social game. Perhaps new AI, logic and physics engines will allow us to do nearly anything we can imagine.
And who would you play inside these stations? Why wouldn't a Capusuleer be able to interact with them? I feel that a capsuleer should not have to choose between a capsule, or a closet. I want to stretch my legs. I'm not sure I want "meaningful" first/third person shooter eve, why would capsuleers do that, when they could hire an army of marines, dusters, or who ever else to do their hand to hand dirty work for them? Complete the triangle of an MMO, give me my cafe.
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:If threadnoughts like this prove anything, its that some EVE players want EVE to focus on spaceships, while others clearly demonstrate a demand for avatar-based gameplay. I, for one, would welcome a comprehensive sci-fi simulator, a thoroughly fleshed-out universe which allows us to immerse ourselves in a life of the future. Hilmar said it himself: EVE's "Future Vision" is still very relevant. I just wouldn't expect it to happen overnight.
I want both, but I don't think WiS should cater to the people who didn't want WiS in the first place, it should be for the 30% or so who want a simply more immersive experience.
Besides, they can always add more once they get the basics down.
My idea of WiS -> Drug trade, takes place at bars, which also offer gambling. These bars are owned by Corporations, which rent these areas inside the station, they can make the areas private if they want, making meeting areas for their members, or make them have both public and private areas within.
I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
453
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Posted - 2012.04.09 08:53:00 -
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Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.
Desires for WiS are desires for MORE gameplay in EVE, not in another game.
See, I wouldn't care that much about WiS if I could play some other stuff in space -and by "some other" i think of something different than what EVE currently has to offer.
EVE as it is is a game i don't play any further. I already did what I was interested to do, so if I have to play EVE, then it must be something different. "More of the same old drill" won't do it, and i have a serious feeling that my case is not uncommon.
There is no endgame content for hiseccers. That certainly matches to CCP's design assumption that people joins EVE because of nullsec, but that assumption clashes against the fact that nullsec is a niche within the niche.
EVE is unique in many aspects, and so it will appeal to many kinds of players. Then CCP will drive most of them away with the faulty assumption that, as nullsec has appealed to the same 15,000 players for 9 years, then the other 330,000 can pretty much f* themselves and go play WoW if they don't like nullsec and grew bored of everything else.
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Severian Carnifex
157
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Posted - 2012.04.09 09:18:00 -
[4452] - Quote
Selinate wrote: CCP was not forced to remember this fact at great cost, I don't think. The main reason that the vast majority of players got overwhelmingly angry at WiS is the fact that it was forced upon them every time they docked, ergo they were forced to remember not to force something on their entire playerbase. For many, their CPU's couldn't handle the station environment well at all, so it frustrated them quite a bit. This is my theory at least, as I thought aside from that, Incarna was a great expansion.
Ill quote one of the posts from this thread (40 pages in the past) that summarize why players left, and it was no WiS guilt at all, actually it was because there was no WiS.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs. The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'. Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order. The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner. Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer. By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected? |
El'Mirage
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.09 11:18:00 -
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FOREVER ALONE ! |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
12
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Posted - 2012.04.09 11:48:00 -
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Being able to actually get into my bed in my quarters might be good too otherwise i'll stay sleeping on my sofa next to my eternal empty quafe bottles. Some pj's too so I don't sleep in my capsule clothes. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.04.09 12:29:00 -
[4455] - Quote
Che Biko wrote:This new vision that social gameplay isn't gameplay concerns me.
Stop strawmanning.
CCP haven't said that 'social gameplay isn't gameplay' - Soundwave was quite enthusiastic at Fanfest about the idea of Eve as a socialising tool (see my earlier comments about mining). What CCP have now acknowledged, is that for 'social gameplay' to succeed it needs the actual gameplay element as well as the social element, so they're now working on gameplay ideas for WiS.
Even if the technology allows it, dumping a dozen avatars in an Incarna bar with nothing for them to do and relying on Space Magic to make emergent gameplay happen out of thin air is foolishness. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1483
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Posted - 2012.04.09 13:36:00 -
[4456] - Quote
There were some pretty cool things at one of the Fanfest's that was showing off some mini games in station. There was some kind of TBS game game that was like Chinese Checkers for EvE as well as a couple of other things. Those are more than welcome to be in stations, but we still need really good EvE centric gameplay to go with it. In other words, shooting people.
I remember back in the day when I played Asherons Call, they introduced these Chess boards in certain places in the world and you and another person could play against each other. The peices you used were representations of the creatures you killed in the game and the Chess board was life sized. It was fun on the PvP server, running up to someone playing chess and laying waste to their body with a flurry of daggers. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
18
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Posted - 2012.04.09 13:50:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Selinate wrote:Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.
In my opinion, immersion is about scope and depth. DUST will add both to the EVE universe by allowing for a different, more casual type of action-driven gameplay while still allowing for full participation in our storyline. Perhaps, in the future, another client will allow room for more social gameplay, such as we'd expect to see in World of Darkness (except based in science fiction). Maybe instead of the current EVE Launcher, we'll see a composite launcher which allows us to launch our character into EVE, DUST or the social game. Perhaps new AI, logic and physics engines will allow us to do nearly anything we can imagine.
If threadnoughts like this prove anything, its that some EVE players want EVE to focus on spaceships, while others clearly demonstrate a demand for avatar-based gameplay. I, for one, would welcome a comprehensive sci-fi simulator, a thoroughly fleshed-out universe which allows us to immerse ourselves in a life of the future. Hilmar said it himself: EVE's "Future Vision" is still very relevant. I just wouldn't expect it to happen overnight. CCP was not forced to remember this fact at great cost, I don't think. 20% of the company isnt at great cost?
There you see that the dress up Barbie dolls do not care about the game. All they ant is another dress in the closet.
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Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
18
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Posted - 2012.04.09 13:58:00 -
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Severian Carnifex wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:WIS will come eventually, it has to
Unfortunately, WIS does not have to see day light. EVE can die before they realize that WiS is new EVEs life.
This is simply not true.
It was the half ass execution and irresponsible funneling of all the resources to the WiS in ANOTHER game that have started the Eve decline. There are about 2 more expansions of pure fixes and content finishing ahead of CCP before they should look ,let alone work, in the direction of WIS if at all.
It is very simple you have quality product people will come. Slowly and steadily but if you have everyone that does not like space barbies looking at a static door for more then 6 months then there is a problem.
Wis should go on the table when 2 things happen.
1 Dust will released patched 4 times :) and actually has a playerbase of some size
2 Majority of the FiS problems have been fixed.
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bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2012.04.09 13:59:00 -
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Dors Venabily wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Selinate wrote:Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.
In my opinion, immersion is about scope and depth. DUST will add both to the EVE universe by allowing for a different, more casual type of action-driven gameplay while still allowing for full participation in our storyline. Perhaps, in the future, another client will allow room for more social gameplay, such as we'd expect to see in World of Darkness (except based in science fiction). Maybe instead of the current EVE Launcher, we'll see a composite launcher which allows us to launch our character into EVE, DUST or the social game. Perhaps new AI, logic and physics engines will allow us to do nearly anything we can imagine.
If threadnoughts like this prove anything, its that some EVE players want EVE to focus on spaceships, while others clearly demonstrate a demand for avatar-based gameplay. I, for one, would welcome a comprehensive sci-fi simulator, a thoroughly fleshed-out universe which allows us to immerse ourselves in a life of the future. Hilmar said it himself: EVE's "Future Vision" is still very relevant. I just wouldn't expect it to happen overnight. CCP was not forced to remember this fact at great cost, I don't think. 20% of the company isnt at great cost? There you see that the dress up Barbie dolls do not care about the game. All they ant is another dress in the closet.
Give me one ******* proof that they had to lay off people because of WiS or shut up.
edit: sorry for that reaction but you are 4th person who in bringing that lie up (and that 4 people before have bringing it up zillion times) and all other discussion about that are that you guys did not have any proof. That Ain't Right |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.09 14:13:00 -
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Conversely stop dooming and glooming ohgod eve is gonna die without wis. |
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.09 14:20:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars. Desires for WiS are desires for MORE gameplay in EVE, not in another game. See, I wouldn't care that much about WiS if I could play some other stuff in space -and by "some other" i think of something different than what EVE currently has to offer. EVE as it is is a game i don't play any further. I already did what I was interested to do, so if I have to play EVE, then it must be something different. "More of the same old drill" won't do it, and i have a serious feeling that my case is not uncommon. There is no endgame content for hiseccers. That certainly matches to CCP's design assumption that people joins EVE because of nullsec, but that assumption clashes against the fact that nullsec is a niche within the niche. EVE is unique in many aspects, and so it will appeal to many kinds of players. Then CCP will drive most of them away with the faulty assumption that, as nullsec has appealed to the same 15,000 players for 9 years, then the other 330,000 can pretty much f* themselves and go play WoW if they don't like nullsec and grew bored of everything else. I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place. wis is a "would be nice" sorta thing for even the most ardent wis supporters, something they look forward to while playing with existing content. So no, it is not the 300,000, it is only you who should go f yourself back to wow. |
bornaa
GRiD.
203
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Posted - 2012.04.09 14:32:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars. Desires for WiS are desires for MORE gameplay in EVE, not in another game. See, I wouldn't care that much about WiS if I could play some other stuff in space -and by "some other" i think of something different than what EVE currently has to offer. EVE as it is is a game i don't play any further. I already did what I was interested to do, so if I have to play EVE, then it must be something different. "More of the same old drill" won't do it, and i have a serious feeling that my case is not uncommon. There is no endgame content for hiseccers. That certainly matches to CCP's design assumption that people joins EVE because of nullsec, but that assumption clashes against the fact that nullsec is a niche within the niche. EVE is unique in many aspects, and so it will appeal to many kinds of players. Then CCP will drive most of them away with the faulty assumption that, as nullsec has appealed to the same 15,000 players for 9 years, then the other 330,000 can pretty much f* themselves and go play WoW if they don't like nullsec and grew bored of everything else. I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place. wis is a "would be nice" sorta thing for even the most ardent wis supporters, something they look forward to while playing with existing content. So no, it is not the 300,000, it is only you who should go f yourself back to wow.
Well, i know 6 people (11 accounts) that left EVE because CCP said that there will be no WiS. They loved spaceships but they wanted to be a person and not spaceship. They have played this game because CCP promised WiS to us all and when they saw that CCP is laying to them, they quit.
So I think that right question is not "how many EVE players are like him/her", I think that right question is "haw many EVE players was like him/her".
And you see... i support WiS mainly because i want that players that i knew back in the game because i don't know how much longer will I play EVE without them. Don't get me wrong, i want WiS too. That Ain't Right |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
456
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Posted - 2012.04.09 14:48:00 -
[4463] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars. Desires for WiS are desires for MORE gameplay in EVE, not in another game. See, I wouldn't care that much about WiS if I could play some other stuff in space -and by "some other" i think of something different than what EVE currently has to offer. EVE as it is is a game i don't play any further. I already did what I was interested to do, so if I have to play EVE, then it must be something different. "More of the same old drill" won't do it, and i have a serious feeling that my case is not uncommon. There is no endgame content for hiseccers. That certainly matches to CCP's design assumption that people joins EVE because of nullsec, but that assumption clashes against the fact that nullsec is a niche within the niche. EVE is unique in many aspects, and so it will appeal to many kinds of players. Then CCP will drive most of them away with the faulty assumption that, as nullsec has appealed to the same 15,000 players for 9 years, then the other 330,000 can pretty much f* themselves and go play WoW if they don't like nullsec and grew bored of everything else. I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place. wis is a "would be nice" sorta thing for even the most ardent wis supporters, something they look forward to while playing with existing content. So no, it is not the 300,000, it is only you who should go f yourself back to wow.
I've played EVE for 3 years based on the existing content, but it has taken me only that far. 3 years, 800 euros, 2 accounts, 4 characters... that's quite a bit of effort for a game whose "endgame" never appealed to me.
EVE hasn't provided any new gameplay that could interest me since I started in October 2008. CCP has been throwing this and that stuff, and has been killing this and that other stuff, but EVE keeps sucking a lot if you like to play solo, casual or hisec (what I call "being a politically incorrrect player"). EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
554
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:24:00 -
[4464] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars. Desires for WiS are desires for MORE gameplay in EVE, not in another game. See, I wouldn't care that much about WiS if I could play some other stuff in space -and by "some other" i think of something different than what EVE currently has to offer. EVE as it is is a game i don't play any further. I already did what I was interested to do, so if I have to play EVE, then it must be something different. "More of the same old drill" won't do it, and i have a serious feeling that my case is not uncommon. There is no endgame content for hiseccers. That certainly matches to CCP's design assumption that people joins EVE because of nullsec, but that assumption clashes against the fact that nullsec is a niche within the niche. EVE is unique in many aspects, and so it will appeal to many kinds of players. Then CCP will drive most of them away with the faulty assumption that, as nullsec has appealed to the same 15,000 players for 9 years, then the other 330,000 can pretty much f* themselves and go play WoW if they don't like nullsec and grew bored of everything else. I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place. wis is a "would be nice" sorta thing for even the most ardent wis supporters, something they look forward to while playing with existing content. So no, it is not the 300,000, it is only you who should go f yourself back to wow. I've played EVE for 3 years based on the existing content, but it has taken me only that far. 3 years, 800 euros, 2 accounts, 4 characters... that's quite a bit of effort for a game whose "endgame" never appealed to me. EVE hasn't provided any new gameplay that could interest me since I started in October 2008. CCP has been throwing this and that stuff, and has been killing this and that other stuff, but EVE keeps sucking a lot if you like to play solo, casual or hisec (what I call "being a politically incorrrect player").
i am one of the WISlovers here everybody knows that,but hopig that WIS will keep you interested in EVE is wrong. If you don,t like the game ,some avatar play will not change that. WIS is nothing more then an addon to EVE ,a great addon ,but nothing more then that. Wis will add to EVE ,but wil not make you like EVE more as it is.
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1486
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:27:00 -
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I dunno...I know quite a few that love the idea of EvE and everything about it but simply won't play for the lack of an actual avatar. Many of those people now play since Incarna was released but with that said I am sure there are those out there that would join EvE for the proper kind of WiS gameplay and would consider FiS secondary to that.
It takes all kinds. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1484
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:28:00 -
[4466] - Quote
Seems like every few weeks this thread has 3 or 4 new alts (probably owned by the same person) jumping in here trying to make everyone (including CCP) believe they are voicing the opinions of the Eve Community. They have been misrepresenting facts and twisting statements around in a fail attempt to justify their own desires and viewpoints ever since this thread was first created, constantly advocating that WiS content should not be added to the game.
They now realize that CCP will not abandon WiS, so their new ploy is to try and thwart it's production and integration into this game for as long as possible with statements of 'repeating same mistakes' or 'no meaningful game play' or 'waste of development resources', etc, all the while displaying biased resentment towards those who choose to participate in a different style of game play. These few individuals constantly advocate the exclusion of working on WiS content by using examples and reasons that have already been proven to be incorrect and false..
Nobody in this thread has advocated that work on FiS content should be excluded. FiS and WiS content can both be developed at the same time. The logical progression for the integration of WiS content into this game would be in small steps. Starting first with limited interaction contained in basic social areas thus resulting in the culmination of fully interactive PvP content.
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:33:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Seems like every few weeks this thread has 3 or 4 new alts (probably owned by the same person) jumping in here trying to make everyone (including CCP) believe they are voicing the opinions of the Eve Community.
The WiS-at-all-costs advocaters, are, of course, all genuine individuals and would never resort to sockpuppeting with alts. |
Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
124
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:34:00 -
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There is no FiS, there is no WiS, there is only EVE. |
Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
126
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:36:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Seems like every few weeks this thread has 3 or 4 new alts (probably owned by the same person) jumping in here trying to make everyone (including CCP) believe they are voicing the opinions of the Eve Community. The WiS-at-all-costs advocaters, are, of course, all genuine individuals and would never resort to sockpuppeting with alts. Please link these "WiS-at-all-costs" posts. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1484
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:46:00 -
[4470] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Seems like every few weeks this thread has 3 or 4 new alts (probably owned by the same person) jumping in here trying to make everyone (including CCP) believe they are voicing the opinions of the Eve Community. The WiS-at-all-costs advocaters, are, of course, all genuine individuals and would never resort to sockpuppeting with alts. Please link these "WiS-at-all-costs" posts. Yes, please post links showing these supposedly 'WiS-at-all-costs advocaters'. |
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:50:00 -
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Severian Carnifex wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:WIS will come eventually, it has to
Unfortunately, WIS does not have to see day light. EVE can die before they realize that WiS is new EVEs life.
"eve is dying because there is no wis", "i am unsubbing because there's no wis", sounds like wis-at-all-cost but eve is not dying, why rush wis? just let them get it right, they did botch it the first time. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
83
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:54:00 -
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I don't think Eve will die without WIS but it may slow down it's growth without it, mainly by old players getting bored and leaving to find a new game. CCP has to always think about adding new content to keep players interested in the game On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
57
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Posted - 2012.04.09 17:01:00 -
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Perhaps a player-driven fundraising campaign could bring more immediate results for those who want CCP to realize the "future vision" more quickly. Some may object that we already pay monthly subscriptions, and therefore shouldn't be expected to contribute more. I agree - but I'd also note that as a corporation, CCP's output is constrained by limited resources. Logic follows that by increasing their resources, we can increase their output.
We live in an age where social media and micro-donations have the potential to amass substantial funding for minimal effort. The most relevant candidate for fundraising would be WiS development, but other candidates could include new Clear Skies episodes, or even a feature length EVE movie based on the Cinematic Trailer.
Anyone who's watched that trailer has probably seen top-rated comments such as "I"M THROWING MY MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENING" - we're a passionate community with appeal that extends well beyond our current player-base. Instead of watching wallets bound off of computer monitors around the world, perhaps we should hold out a bucket? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
457
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Posted - 2012.04.09 17:12:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:(...)
i am one of the WISlovers here everybody knows that,but hopig that WIS will keep you interested in EVE is wrong. If you don,t like the game ,some avatar play will not change that. WIS is nothing more then an addon to EVE ,a great addon ,but nothing more then that. Wis will add to EVE ,but wil not make you like EVE more as it is.
Huh.
In a deep sense i don't like EVE's premise, that bad guys can be SOBs forever and nobody be safe and nobody bother them or stop them. If I wanted to endure that crap, i just would turn on the TV and tune the news to learn whatever did today my country's politicians.
So, in that sense, I don't like EVE. Hooligans deserve being hanged at crossroads to serve as example, not being cheered while they ask for people to suicide over a videogame, if you get what I mean.
But then, i like MMOs, and EVE is unique. I am sucker for the skill system, the combat system, the economy and the sheer complexity of fitting ships for a task.
I would love that bounty hunting was a viable profession and SOBs got a reason to fear being chased by bounty hunters. I would love that EVE PvP was about either being a SOB and face the consequences or make SOBs face the consequences. Being a SOB for free is not my idea of fun.
If that was impossible (poor PvPrs, they should go harrass non-PvPrs elsewhere), then I would like that EVE was about building and restoring civilization, bringing order into chaos rather than gloat into pointless perpetual mayhem. Colonize planets, set up stargates, whatever.
Failing all above, i just would like to be able to pursue my own goals without being fukked by someone I can't fuk back, and let the universe go to hell while I dig out my own little corner.
And here I enter WiS, occuring in the only places in EVE were your assets are safe unless you willingly jeopardize them (FAI trusting someone and giving him acces to the corporate hangar). EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1484
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Posted - 2012.04.09 17:40:00 -
[4475] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote: "eve is dying because there is no wis", "i am unsubbing because there's no wis", sounds like wis-at-all-cost but eve is not dying, why rush wis? just let them get it right, they did botch it the first time.
Sounds like they want WiS content added to the game, nowhere did they say 'WiS at all costs'.
As for your statement about WiS being botched the first time, it was the Incarna expansion that was botched and I'm not going to state all the problems associated with it again. The main problem with the WiS delivered in the Incarna expansion was that it didn't include the Ambulation that was promised to players years ago. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3716
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Posted - 2012.04.09 17:51:00 -
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Now let me say one thing.
Eve isnt dying becuase it doesnt have WiS. Its just not growing as fast...
I have to agree with some sentiments on the other side. Too much resources and time was spent for what little we got.
However... Lets not throw away what they got done. That would be like throwing out all the medical research that communist and socialist countries performed on living people. True the people behind the experiments where ill intentioned, but the things they've learned are saving people's lives. Throwing it all away is just further insult to all those who where removed to bring you this basis to build off of.
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bornaa
GRiD.
205
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Posted - 2012.04.09 17:54:00 -
[4477] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote: "eve is dying because there is no wis", "i am unsubbing because there's no wis", sounds like wis-at-all-cost but eve is not dying, why rush wis? just let them get it right, they did botch it the first time.
Sounds like they want WiS content added to the game, nowhere did they say 'WiS at all costs'. As for your statement about WiS being botched the first time, it was the Incarna expansion that was botched and I'm not going to state all the problems associated with it again. The main problem with the WiS delivered in the Incarna expansion was that it didn't include the Ambulation that was promised to players years ago.
You wanted to say this: (its funny how many times we need to quote you )
DeMichael Crimson wrote:So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs. The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'. Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order. The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner. Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer. By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected? That Ain't Right |
bornaa
GRiD.
205
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Posted - 2012.04.09 18:00:00 -
[4478] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Now let me say one thing.
Eve isnt dying becuase it doesnt have WiS. Its just not growing as fast...
I have to agree with some sentiments on the other side. Too much resources and time was spent for what little we got.
However... Lets not throw away what they got done. That would be like throwing out all the medical research that communist and socialist countries performed on living people. True the people behind the experiments where ill intentioned, but the things they've learned are saving people's lives. Throwing it all away is just further insult to all those who where removed to bring you this basis to build off of.
Ill quote one guy for you too:
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:You allways forget one thing. That 18 months was for carbonization of EVE. That's what majority of EVE DEVs worked on. Just look at how much of EVE code was rewritten and pushed out after that "18 months". You can see numerous bugs that appeared in all things that worked before and on the first look that did not seem like they touched it. You can see it that after "Incarna" list of CCPs technologies appeared on CCP web page all named with "Carbon" prefix. You can see it in tests of many "Carbon" things and putting it in game, like UI, like inventory, and stuff like that. They had to rewrite 8 years of old messy python code and rewrite it in C on all crucial parts of the game because it take 10 times more time for new programmers to find head and tale in that code and to implement something. You see how they can magically change many things over night that they could not before??? Yea, thats because of it. Their error was that they did not tell that to player base, maybe because some ppl would quit . In that time one part of the staff worked on WiS (majority of designers) and they just didn't have time to make WiS and create what they advertise. So please don't tell me they worked on WiS all that much. In 2 years (after pre production) you can make all new game from nothing. That Ain't Right |
Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
127
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Posted - 2012.04.09 18:02:00 -
[4479] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote: "eve is dying because there is no wis", "i am unsubbing because there's no wis", sounds like wis-at-all-cost but eve is not dying, why rush wis? just let them get it right, they did botch it the first time.
Sounds like they want WiS content added to the game, nowhere did they say 'WiS at all costs'. As for your statement about WiS being botched the first time, it was the Incarna expansion that was botched and I'm not going to state all the problems associated with it again. The main problem with the WiS delivered in the Incarna expansion was that it didn't include the Ambulation that was promised to players years ago.
Truth.
The part that gets me is they stated that there were assests ready and coming in the next patches, but then all the drama started happening so they backed off. If common areas are built they should release them now, even if there is a promonade with a bunch of "coming soon" banners on all the shop windows, atleast it wouldn't feel as claustrophobic whilke we wait for gameplay elements to be added.
I think they misunderstood what people were upset about, we didn't NOT want more, we were upset we didnt get more for the time they put in. If there are more areas ready for release they should release them now.
If we waited for any part of EVE to be "completed" before it was released, EVE wouldn't be released yet. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1484
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Posted - 2012.04.09 18:05:00 -
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I agree 100%.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3716
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Posted - 2012.04.09 18:06:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Now let me say one thing. Ill quote one guy for you too: Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:You allways forget one thing. That 18 months was for carbonization of EVE. That's what majority of EVE DEVs worked on. Just look at how much of EVE code was rewritten and pushed out after that "18 months". You can see numerous bugs that appeared in all things that worked before and on the first look that did not seem like they touched it. You can see it that after "Incarna" list of CCPs technologies appeared on CCP web page all named with "Carbon" prefix. You can see it in tests of many "Carbon" things and putting it in game, like UI, like inventory, and stuff like that. They had to rewrite 8 years of old messy python code and rewrite it in C on all crucial parts of the game because it take 10 times more time for new programmers to find head and tale in that code and to implement something. You see how they can magically change many things over night that they could not before??? Yea, thats because of it. Their error was that they did not tell that to player base, maybe because some ppl would quit . In that time one part of the staff worked on WiS (majority of designers) and they just didn't have time to make WiS and create what they advertise. So please don't tell me they worked on WiS all that much. In 2 years (after pre production) you can make all new game from nothing.
If you look back far enough you'll see me stating the same thing. They overdrove carbon which was a desperate need but as you see its still not complete (destiney the last big gorillia in the closet) as well as other out of carbon but unmarried to the new idea coding such as the wardec system which is now getting revamped for future infrastructure and crimewatch.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
458
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Posted - 2012.04.09 18:40:00 -
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Soulpirate wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote: "eve is dying because there is no wis", "i am unsubbing because there's no wis", sounds like wis-at-all-cost but eve is not dying, why rush wis? just let them get it right, they did botch it the first time.
Sounds like they want WiS content added to the game, nowhere did they say 'WiS at all costs'. As for your statement about WiS being botched the first time, it was the Incarna expansion that was botched and I'm not going to state all the problems associated with it again. The main problem with the WiS delivered in the Incarna expansion was that it didn't include the Ambulation that was promised to players years ago. Truth. The part that gets me is they stated that there were assests ready and coming in the next patches, but then all the drama started happening so they backed off. If common areas are built they should release them now, even if there is a promonade with a bunch of "coming soon" banners on all the shop windows, atleast it wouldn't feel as claustrophobic whilke we wait for gameplay elements to be added. I think they misunderstood what people were upset about, we didn't NOT want more, we were upset we didnt get more for the time they put in. If there are more areas ready for release they should release them now. If we waited for any part of EVE to be "completed" before it was released, EVE wouldn't be released yet.
Well, that part of the "undelivered stuff" is a funny one.FAi, they're busy finishing sleeve tattos (which are like "meh" to many players), and meanwhile there's over a hundred undelivered NEx items rotting at Sisi and TQ market tabs... all in working order and waiting only that someone puts a sensible price tag on them and throws that bone to WiSers.
And I almost choke myself when I saw at the presentation a sleeve tattoo on a female avatar wearing a "Structure" dress, an item which has been unreleased since Incarna. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3716
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Posted - 2012.04.09 18:51:00 -
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Well they're adding in race blending as well.
Crossbreeding.
NEX 2.0 will need a better iteration maybe after they get done v'3ing everything or maybe its a surprize feature in inferno who knows. If anything I would love to see tailor make it in as a wis mini profession. research color materials cuts and wear and sell copies for dirt cheaper sell pernament contracts for a bit more.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
458
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Posted - 2012.04.09 19:07:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Well they're adding in race blending as well.
Crossbreeding.
NEX 2.0 will need a better iteration maybe after they get done v'3ing everything or maybe its a surprize feature in inferno who knows. If anything I would love to see tailor make it in as a wis mini profession. research color materials cuts and wear and sell copies for dirt cheaper sell pernament contracts for a bit more.
Oh yes, race blending (I somehow guess that we won't be allowed to have less than 50% of our original race, BTW). And also Escalation should see better complexion customization.
Those are little iterations, but as the three racial CQ or sleeve tattos or the completely forgotten and ignored full body preview, this are things already "on the pipe" since Incarna.
The rest of jobs undertaken by our A-Team are not to be seen any soon, and as far as we know they couldn't even be related to EVE... "CCP plans avatar gameplay" could mean anything. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.09 19:09:00 -
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Perhaps there should be an optional subscription add-on for key areas of the game. A person could assign an additional $50 (tiered somehow) a month toward specific game features (Wis/Incursions/Sovereignty/Industry/Etc).
These additional charges could be applied directly to the budgets of Wis, Fis, Industry, Incursions etc depending on how the subscriber assigns their additional charges.
I think CCP would find that there is more support for Wis than these nutty forums suggest.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1486
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Posted - 2012.04.09 19:14:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Now let me say one thing.
Eve isnt dying becuase it doesnt have WiS. Its just not growing as fast...
I have to agree with some sentiments on the other side. Too much resources and time was spent for what little we got.
However... Lets not throw away what they got done. That would be like throwing out all the medical research that communist and socialist countries performed on living people. True the people behind the experiments where ill intentioned, but the things they've learned are saving people's lives. Throwing it all away is just further insult to all those who where removed to bring you this basis to build off of. Absolutely. For all the time and resources that were devoted to WiS, it should have been a full blown, polished and finished product when Incarna was released. At the same time though, throwing away all that work is an equally supid move. It is good that they are taking a step back to re-asses the gameplay and what is needed to make WiS work properly within EvE. What needs to be done at this point is for a solid idea and direction to be decided on and when the time is appropriate, move on and finish it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
69
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Posted - 2012.04.09 20:12:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:[..]CCP haven't said that 'social gameplay isn't gameplay'[..] Even if the technology allows it, dumping a dozen avatars in an Incarna bar with nothing for them to do and relying on Space Magic to make emergent gameplay happen out of thin air is foolishness. Hmm, I hope you are right and that I am strawmanning, but some things said and the "re-eveluation" of avatar gameplay, including rethinking bars etc. because they supposedly lack gameplay (and perhaps I am wrong and no such things were ever said, but it's what I read between the lines anyway)... it puzzles me, let's just keep it at that.
I, by the way, have dumped myself in a EVE dance club RP chat channel with 6-10 players, and the experiences I had there were among the best I've ever had in EVE. If this can happen in a chat channel, I see no reason why this can't happen in a virtual bar "with nothing for them to do". As I said, this is not for everyone, but for me it would go a long way towards seeing some of what I wanted from Incarna.
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place.[..] When I started playing EVE years ago, I was promised WiS. I've been waiting patiently for years, and just as I was about to see my most desired expansion, they break the promise, and the disillusion that followed made EVE taste somewhat bitter. Even though EVE is still a good game, it reminds me of dissappointment, and I haven't played the game for months. I think I may be starting to get an itch though... |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.04.10 01:11:00 -
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Now let me say one thing.
Eve isnt dying becuase it doesnt have FiS. Its just not growing as fast...
I have to agree with some sentiments on the other side. Too much resources and time was spent for what little we got.
However... Lets not throw away what they got done. That would be like throwing out all the medical research that communist and socialist countries performed on living people. True the people behind the experiments where ill intentioned, but the things they've learned are saving people's lives. Throwing it all away is just further insult to all those who where removed to bring you this basis to build off of.
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.04.10 01:24:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: and meanwhile there's over a hundred undelivered NEx items rotting at Sisi and TQ market tabs
let it rot imo; the longer CCP thinks we dont want the NeX the longer we put off Gold ammo
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
25
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Posted - 2012.04.10 01:29:00 -
[4490] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: and meanwhile there's over a hundred undelivered NEx items rotting at Sisi and TQ market tabs
let it rot imo; the longer CCP thinks we dont want the NeX the longer we put off Gold ammo
If you don't like NEX don't use it. See how simple that is?
Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.04.10 01:34:00 -
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Yoma Karima wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: and meanwhile there's over a hundred undelivered NEx items rotting at Sisi and TQ market tabs
let it rot imo; the longer CCP thinks we dont want the NeX the longer we put off Gold ammo If you don't like NEX don't use it. See how simple that is?
you want Gold ammo?
Im glad CCP didnt listen to people like you and listened to the ppl that were leaving
I hope they never do either
plenty of games out there for you with p2w schemes, go to them, stop trying to turn this into one Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
25
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Posted - 2012.04.10 01:43:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Yoma Karima wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: and meanwhile there's over a hundred undelivered NEx items rotting at Sisi and TQ market tabs
let it rot imo; the longer CCP thinks we dont want the NeX the longer we put off Gold ammo If you don't like NEX don't use it. See how simple that is? you want Gold ammo? Im glad CCP didnt listen to people like you and listened to the ppl that were leaving I hope they never do either plenty of games out there for you with p2w schemes, go to them, stop trying to turn this into one
Never said i wan't Gold ammo first of all(not the best ammo i can think of anyway to malleable), and pay to win is not a good game, ITS the cosmetic transactions we have now witch are harmless.
Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.04.10 01:53:00 -
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Yoma Karima wrote:
Never said i wan't Gold ammo first of all(not the best ammo i can think of anyway to malleable), and pay to win is not a good game, ITS the cosmetic transactions we have now witch are harmless.
Funny thing about cosmetic items for real money... Ive never seen a game where it STAYED cosmetic ONLY Once the company running it realized the players would pay for things like that.
Back when they put in the cash shop in Star Trek Online, the Devs and Mods all over the forums crowed "VANITY ITEMS ONLY"
yes, I know that game was an abortion and isnt comparible to this one in terms of gameplay (or most anything else) but the example exists in the "VANITY ITEMS ONLY" claims of the ppl making the game.
Not the only game Ive seen this happen in, but its the most obvious one I can think off right now. Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.10 02:13:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:(...)
i am one of the WISlovers here everybody knows that,but hopig that WIS will keep you interested in EVE is wrong. If you don,t like the game ,some avatar play will not change that. WIS is nothing more then an addon to EVE ,a great addon ,but nothing more then that. Wis will add to EVE ,but wil not make you like EVE more as it is.
Huh. In a deep sense i don't like EVE's premise, that bad guys can be SOBs forever and nobody be safe and nobody bother them or stop them. If I wanted to endure that crap, i just would turn on the TV and tune the news to learn whatever did today my country's politicians. So, in that sense, I don't like EVE. Hooligans deserve being hanged at crossroads to serve as example, not being cheered while they ask for people to suicide over a videogame, if you get what I mean. But then, i like MMOs, and EVE is unique. I am sucker for the skill system, the combat system, the economy and the sheer complexity of fitting ships for a task. I would love that bounty hunting was a viable profession and SOBs got a reason to fear being chased by bounty hunters. I would love that EVE PvP was about either being a SOB and face the consequences or make SOBs face the consequences. Being a SOB for free is not my idea of fun. If that was impossible (poor PvPrs, they should go harrass non-PvPrs elsewhere), then I would like that EVE was about building and restoring civilization, bringing order into chaos rather than gloat into pointless perpetual mayhem. Colonize planets, set up stargates, whatever. Failing all above, i just would like to be able to pursue my own goals without being fukked by someone I can't fuk back, and let the universe go to hell while I dig out my own little corner. And here I enter WiS, occuring in the only places in EVE were your assets are safe unless you willingly jeopardize them (FAI trusting someone and giving him acces to the corporate hangar). I think you are just risk averse and unfortunately most of eve can't be appealing to you. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.04.10 02:17:00 -
[4495] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote: I think you are just risk averse and unfortunately most of eve can't be appealing to you.
yeah... non pvp WiS is entirely unappealing
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.10 02:52:00 -
[4496] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote: "eve is dying because there is no wis", "i am unsubbing because there's no wis", sounds like wis-at-all-cost but eve is not dying, why rush wis? just let them get it right, they did botch it the first time.
Sounds like they want WiS content added to the game, nowhere did they say 'WiS at all costs'. As for your statement about WiS being botched the first time, it was the Incarna expansion that was botched and I'm not going to state all the problems associated with it again. The main problem with the WiS delivered in the Incarna expansion was that it didn't include the Ambulation that was promised to players years ago.
The fact is that due to limited resources, wis is placed on slow burn to give prioritization over to dust and fis, while some resources are still dedicated to wod. Because of this, some people are leaving the game in dissent with this allocation of resources. It may not be precisely wis-at-all-costs but it is certainly wis-or-else and I am having difficulty seeing how they differ. |
FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 03:12:00 -
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Hi. I'm a total newb here and to EvE, and I have no idea what the last 213 pages have been talking about.
But I did want to lend my 2 cents that when I heard about the Walking in Stations part of EvE I was really excited about it. And disappointed that I can't currently do it. That locked door is now mocking me. :-P
I really hope they can get this in the game soon. I'm enjoying what EvE currently has to offer (which I've barely scratched the surface of), but I don't really want to JUST be a ship. It would be great to have a place to go hang out with other pilots, and to be able to look out the station windows while playing some games or just shooting the breeze. Also a place to hang out with one's corporation would be sweet.
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Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
59
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Posted - 2012.04.10 04:50:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Hi. I'm a total newb here and to EvE, ...I'm enjoying what EvE currently has to offer (which I've barely scratched the surface of), but I don't really want to JUST be a ship. ... to be able to look out the station windows while playing some games or just shooting the breeze. Also a place to hang out with one's corporation would be sweet.
+1 for adorable newbie |
Vetorept Fera
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
25
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Posted - 2012.04.10 05:41:00 -
[4499] - Quote
So...what's the plan for WiS?
In pace requiescat |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.10 06:25:00 -
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You are not a ship or avatar, you are what you do. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1485
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Posted - 2012.04.10 06:36:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote: I think you are just risk averse and unfortunately most of eve can't be appealing to you.
yeah... non pvp WiS is entirely unappealing Ohhh, like we're supposed to believe your characters are doing all kinds of PvP action in-game. Typical troll alts made specifically to pad the CSM vote and troll these forums. Your characters rarely ever enter the game.
Just letting you know that if CCP does make WiS PvP available, my team of AAA's (Avatar Attack Alts) will be camping out your CQ doorsteps. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
460
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Posted - 2012.04.10 06:41:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:(...)
i am one of the WISlovers here everybody knows that,but hopig that WIS will keep you interested in EVE is wrong. If you don,t like the game ,some avatar play will not change that. WIS is nothing more then an addon to EVE ,a great addon ,but nothing more then that. Wis will add to EVE ,but wil not make you like EVE more as it is.
Huh. In a deep sense i don't like EVE's premise, that bad guys can be SOBs forever and nobody be safe and nobody bother them or stop them. If I wanted to endure that crap, i just would turn on the TV and tune the news to learn whatever did today my country's politicians. So, in that sense, I don't like EVE. Hooligans deserve being hanged at crossroads to serve as example, not being cheered while they ask for people to suicide over a videogame, if you get what I mean. But then, i like MMOs, and EVE is unique. I am sucker for the skill system, the combat system, the economy and the sheer complexity of fitting ships for a task. I would love that bounty hunting was a viable profession and SOBs got a reason to fear being chased by bounty hunters. I would love that EVE PvP was about either being a SOB and face the consequences or make SOBs face the consequences. Being a SOB for free is not my idea of fun. If that was impossible (poor PvPrs, they should go harrass non-PvPrs elsewhere), then I would like that EVE was about building and restoring civilization, bringing order into chaos rather than gloat into pointless perpetual mayhem. Colonize planets, set up stargates, whatever. Failing all above, i just would like to be able to pursue my own goals without being fukked by someone I can't fuk back, and let the universe go to hell while I dig out my own little corner. And here I enter WiS, occuring in the only places in EVE were your assets are safe unless you willingly jeopardize them (FAI trusting someone and giving him acces to the corporate hangar). I think you are just risk averse and unfortunately most of eve can't be appealing to you.
Well, I used to play this game for an hour a day. And I really wanted that invested hour to provide some return.
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.10 07:26:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote: I think you are just risk averse and unfortunately most of eve can't be appealing to you.
yeah... non pvp WiS is entirely unappealing Ohhh, like we're supposed to believe your characters are doing all kinds of PvP action in-game. Typical troll alts made specifically to pad the CSM vote and troll these forums. Your characters rarely ever enter the game. Just letting you know that if CCP does make WiS PvP available, my team of AAA's (Avatar Attack Alts) will be camping out your CQ doorsteps. AAA that's pretty clever. |
Espen Egak
Bootleg Vitamin Something Posing As Meat
10
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Posted - 2012.04.10 07:28:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions. Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pulse-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships.
Well WiS Could be a way to meet players and mercs from Dust too .. CCP could implement some mechanic that made it possible for EvE and Dust players to interact at some sort of bar or cantina. WiS just gives that RPG part of EvE a little boost in my opinion not that im gonna really use it but there is others out there that will. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1485
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Posted - 2012.04.10 07:39:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote: AAA that's pretty clever.
I probably should refer to them as : Triple A's |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
255
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Posted - 2012.04.10 08:20:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:There were some pretty cool things at one of the Fanfest's that was showing off some mini games in station. There was some kind of TBS game game that was like Chinese Checkers for EvE as well as a couple of other things. Those are more than welcome to be in stations, but we still need really good EvE centric gameplay to go with it. In other words, shooting people.
I remember back in the day when I played Asherons Call, they introduced these Chess boards in certain places in the world and you and another person could play against each other. The peices you used were representations of the creatures you killed in the game and the Chess board was life sized. It was fun on the PvP server, running up to someone playing chess and laying waste to their body with a flurry of daggers.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1493
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:33:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:There were some pretty cool things at one of the Fanfest's that was showing off some mini games in station. There was some kind of TBS game game that was like Chinese Checkers for EvE as well as a couple of other things. Those are more than welcome to be in stations, but we still need really good EvE centric gameplay to go with it. In other words, shooting people.
I remember back in the day when I played Asherons Call, they introduced these Chess boards in certain places in the world and you and another person could play against each other. The peices you used were representations of the creatures you killed in the game and the Chess board was life sized. It was fun on the PvP server, running up to someone playing chess and laying waste to their body with a flurry of daggers. -1 -1 to you too scrub. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
435
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:40:00 -
[4508] - Quote
Where's the guy who said WiS/Ambulation wouldn't be worth it unless it contained explosions and pulse-pounding combat? I want to tell him how much of an average-Joe, American caricature he is.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
554
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:30:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions. Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships. This. Every time I see WiS people crying about their side game getting cancelled, I start hearing Charlie Sheen quotes. CCP deciding to work on WiS at this point is about as realistic as his claims. Look, I know you all arent gonna realize this, but Ill take another stab at it anyways. THE ONLY REASON WE FINALLY GOT WIS IS BECAUSE OF WoD. WoD got SHELVED WiS Got SHELVED Its NOT a gigantic logical leap here guys n gals. WiS was Beta for WoD. Check this out, I even have LINKS that support that claim http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspxQuote:Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced They felt there was a reason to REASSURE THE WoD ppl that the engine in Incarna WASNT what was gonna ship with THEIR MMO Now that WoD isnt coming out any time soon theyre not working on WiS. Hell they announced the "back burner"ing of both projects on the same day. They could have at least pretended there wasnt a connection but they didnt lol Now I get that a lot of this delusional WiS crowd hasnt been in EVE long as they "Just signed up for WiS", but CCP has a track record. When they stop work on a feature. They dont go back to it. See Faction Warfare and a slew of others. WiS will be worked on again when WoD is being worked on again, and not before.
WOD is still having a 60 men dev team working on it as i recall it right. Some interview with Hilmar i think,where Hilmar was talking about WOD
So pls don,t repeat old trolls and make one of your own pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Rico Ramos
STARMINE inc Solaris Mortis
2
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:50:00 -
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[quote=Richard Hammond II][quote=Yoma Karima][quote=Richard Hammond II][quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai and meanwhile there's over a hundred undelivered NEx items rotting at Sisi and TQ market tabs[/quote
let it rot imo; the longer CCP thinks we dont want the NeX the longer we put off Gold amm [/quote
If you don't like NEX don't use it. See how simple that is [/quote
you want Gold ammo
Im glad CCP didnt listen to people like you and listened to the ppl that were leavin
I hope they never do eithe
plenty of games out there for you with p2w schemes, go to them, stop trying to turn this into one[/quote
I love gold ammo. Looks good when flying thru space hitting it target. In fact I like red ammo more make me look more menacing. Green ammo would remind me too much of starwars. Sorry when people mention gold ammo, I think stay away from dumb people at all times. Min. 25 feet please. [;)
As for the people who left, they were the WiS'ers. While yeah some were of other professions, I would argue mostly a mixed bag of player. But your lame argument of it being only the non WiS wanting people is false. You can spin it how ever you want it but it'll still be false. So go ahead tell me I'm wrong please, pretty please. [:roll:
P2W games, hmmm. I don't know of any but I do know a Play2Win game such as eve and it's multi-toons/one player Incursion fleets and its pirate gate camping for loot instead of buying it on the market or missioning for isk. Or even buying plex on the market so you'll never have to pay for the game again, then get a few 10k friends to vote for you on the CSM. But I degress
But what I really wanted to say was. I'm glad CCP didn't listen to people like you and listened to the people that left. I hope that CCP will continue to listen to it's player base which is everyone and help achieve a better game Universe to include multi aspects of Eve life. WiS, FiS, Dust, PI, Mining rings and asteroids and just doing what ever
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
304
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:24:00 -
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What's with all this talk of [REDACTED] in here?
I thought that was restricted to a few CCP hand-picked threads?
BTW I'm all for CCP banning [REDACTED] if it turns out he's not really as sad as he led us to believe.
Oh you were talking about Walking In Stations? Oh well.
The same as above, then. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Rico Ramos
STARMINE inc Solaris Mortis
2
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:31:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:This. Every time I see WiS people crying about their side game getting cancelled, I start hearing Charlie Sheen quotes. CCP deciding to work on WiS at this point is about as realistic as his claims. Look, I know you all arent gonna realize this, but Ill take another stab at it anyways. THE ONLY REASON WE FINALLY GOT WIS IS BECAUSE OF WoD. WoD got SHELVED WiS Got SHELVED Its NOT a gigantic logical leap here guys n gals. WiS was Beta for WoD. Check this out, I even have LINKS that support that claim http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspxQuote:Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced They felt there was a reason to REASSURE THE WoD ppl that the engine in Incarna WASNT what was gonna ship with THEIR MMO Now that WoD isnt coming out any time soon theyre not working on WiS. Hell they announced the "back burner"ing of both projects on the same day. They could have at least pretended there wasnt a connection but they didnt lol Now I get that a lot of this delusional WiS crowd hasnt been in EVE long as they "Just signed up for WiS", but CCP has a track record. When they stop work on a feature. They dont go back to it. See Faction Warfare and a slew of others. WiS will be worked on again when WoD is being worked on again, and not before. WOD is still having a 60 men dev team working on it as i recall it right. Some interview with Hilmar i think,where Hilmar was talking about WOD So pls don,t repeat old trolls and make one of your own
Did anyone even watch Fanfest? Or are people purposely distorting the truth. I feel like I'm in church and at the GOP convention at the same time. ARGH.
Ok WiS nor WOD have been shelved. And yes WiS was beta(ish) for WOD, which makes great business since. (not going to get into it here on why). But our CEO did say its the future version. WiS is gonna happen, it needs to before someone does it better than CCP. It's just the natural progression of the game. In my heart I think (sorry for beating a dead horse) the way it was forced on players was dead wrong. (did anyone learn from sony and SWG? ... o.O oh wait... I forgot ....LOL DOH!) I wonder if I should go on... I pray for Dust 514 now
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Scitor Nantom
AfterMath. Broken Toys
5
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:02:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Im still waiting for someone to explain how WiS will add to my gameplay experience in any way at all. From what has been said, it sounds like a horrific crossbreed of Club Penguin, Red Light District and Facebook Poker.
Why would you want to inflict that monstrosity upon other players?
And before you all start saying "well you can just turn off the Club Red Light Poker", CCP actually have to develop it first. To put it in words you might understand, its Opportunity Cost, just like the idiot free mineralists. If CCP spend the thousands of man hours required to make WiS 'work', that is thousands of man hours that are not being spent on fixing Eve. You know, that spaceship game we all play, and most of us have subs for. With spaceships.
Anti-WiS people are not selfish, it is actually the WiS crowd who want to deprive the community of a huge range of potential fixes and expansions to existing content, because they want to tie up CCP producing what will inevitably be a steaming pile of horse faeces for months and months. The player base would benefit from the game itself being fixed and improved, not some flashy gimmick.
However, if CCP did ditch WiS, and instead allowed us to use the Avatar technology (or whatever it is called) to use our capsuleers in Dust... all would be forgiven.
I support WiS, but not just for club/bar/strategy game stuff. That's fluff that adds atmosphere, and fun... especially if you are camped in a base, hehe.
No, I support WiS because it's a road to more ways of fun. I have a vision where we can explore planets or derelict space stations and find rare items in both. I have a vision of being in a station that's under attack and you see and hear alarms going off and the station shaking. The ultimate for me would be a way to space walk... yes, Walking In Space! This would be a very hard skill to train that would allow you to done a spacesuit and infiltrate an enemy ship to try to take it down via sabotage or assassinating the pod pilot.
On that vein, how about where you could interact with your crew in some way?
How's that for awesome?
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:07:00 -
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Vetorept Fera wrote:So...what's the plan for WiS?
Its on the back burner until CCP come up with some actual gameplay for it, rather than the "Buy monocles! Pretend to get drunk in a bar! Repackage old features from the hangar view!" approach of the last few years. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
462
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:14:00 -
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Scitor Nantom wrote:(...)
On that vein, how about where you could interact with your crew in some way?
How's that for awesome?
That's against the lore. You're a capsuleer in a hydrostatic pod at the core of your ship. Your crew never sees you and they merely obey the commands the ship delivers to them under your control.
You're not Jean Luc Picard. You're Queen Borg and your crew are your little borgettes, completely expendable and easily replaceable. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
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Kalea Hashur
Promethium Corp.
1
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:37:00 -
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It sort of boggles my mind that people put so much worth in their avatars. This isn't a beauty pageant game. Sure, your avatar can be considered a calling card in some fashion I suppose. But most of them are so similar that uniqueness is lost (how many guys in shades and leathers can you look at before they begin to blend?). Myself, I keep them turned off in chats because they take up too much room and they don't really mean much. Your ship is the important thing. If the design team had focused on ships and modifications that could be bought with AUR, the stuff would have flown off the virtual shelves. Puttings fins or extra engines on ships, different paint jobs, design motifs. THAT would have been awesome.
I understand different people put value in different things. Personally, i don't see any value added to the game from WiS gameplay. By and large, it is my opinion that people don't want to sit around a virtual bar shooting the breeze in a game that is by and large about spaceships and fitting and flying them and the industry that goes with it. If they do, they should consider playing a different game, because this one can't be EVERYthing. It has a focus and a purpose already. I don't need to walk around a station to get things done when I have buttons for them on my Necom. I don't need a way to trade illegals when there isn't much purpose to them. If that changes in the future, cool. But it still doesn't have much to do with WiS.
From what I've seen so far, WiS doesn't really have much to do with DUST either.
My .02 ISK for your consideration.
In any case, I am definitely thankful for those working on the UI! <3 |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:12:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
So pls don,t repeat old trolls and make one of your own
a.) how old is that "troll" you are quoting out of curiosity? b.) The language used in that link shows them playing down Incarna as a prototype
"Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced."
Like theyre trying to calm the prople who are interested in WoD after the uproar here
c.) the part wheer everyone though it was "shelved" was from a announcement BY CCP using the language "shelved" themselves (Im sure someone can find it, Ive been out of the game pretty much since this all happened and wouldnt know where to look anymore). So talking like its just us WiS haters screaming about nothing is misleading as well.
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
556
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:32:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
So pls don,t repeat old trolls and make one of your own
a.) how old is that "troll" you are quoting out of curiosity? b.) The language used in that link shows them playing down Incarna as a prototype "Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced." Like theyre trying to calm the prople who are interested in WoD after the uproar here c.) the part wheer everyone though it was "shelved" was from a announcement BY CCP using the language "shelved" themselves (Im sure someone can find it, Ive been out of the game pretty much since this all happened and wouldnt know where to look anymore). So talking like its just us WiS haters screaming about nothing is misleading as well. Quote:As for the people who left, they were the WiS'ers. While yeah some were of other professions, I would argue mostly a mixed bag of players. But your lame argument of it being only the non WiS wanting people is false. You can spin it how ever you want it but it'll still be false. So go ahead tell me I'm wrong please, pretty please. Yes, please prove that it was ONLY WiS ppl that left. Ill wait. Cause there still seem to be plenty here otherwise this thread would die
the wis and wod connection are one of the repeating trolls here ,like all the other ones
Some blog stating the change of direction by CCP to focus on FIS and console crap ,CCP indeed stated that WIS and WOD were on the backburner (at least that was a lot if people ,including me thought) Was suprised to see WOD still had a 60 man dev team
and again i like the changes and love from CCP FIS had until now,but still want the WIS addon to the game and it don,t have to be done at the expense of FIS
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1499
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:30:00 -
[4519] - Quote
Kalea Hashur wrote:It sort of boggles my mind that people put so much worth in their avatars. This isn't a beauty pageant game. Sure, your avatar can be considered a calling card in some fashion I suppose. But most of them are so similar that uniqueness is lost (how many guys in shades and leathers can you look at before they begin to blend?). Myself, I keep them turned off in chats because they take up too much room and they don't really mean much. Your ship is the important thing. If the design team had focused on ships and modifications that could be bought with AUR, the stuff would have flown off the virtual shelves. Puttings fins or extra engines on ships, different paint jobs, design motifs. THAT would have been awesome.
I understand different people put value in different things. Personally, i don't see any value added to the game from WiS gameplay. By and large, it is my opinion that people don't want to sit around a virtual bar shooting the breeze in a game that is by and large about spaceships and fitting and flying them and the industry that goes with it. If they do, they should consider playing a different game, because this one can't be EVERYthing. It has a focus and a purpose already. I don't need to walk around a station to get things done when I have buttons for them on my Necom. I don't need a way to trade illegals when there isn't much purpose to them. If that changes in the future, cool. But it still doesn't have much to do with WiS.
From what I've seen so far, WiS doesn't really have much to do with DUST either.
My .02 ISK for your consideration.
In any case, I am definitely thankful for those working on the UI! <3 Wow, so many incorrect statements due to misinformation I almost feel sorry for you.
Allowing ships and modifications to be sold in the NEX Store was one of the major complaints players raged about during the Jita Riots. Hence the term 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships'. Basically it would be exploitation of a 'pay to win' option bypassing the market and player ability to do invention and production. The option to paint or have corp logo placed on ships could be sold thru the NEX Store but it would have to be an unlimited use option. Players are not going to pay for that each time they replace their ships.
CCP has stated from the very beginning that Eve Online is more than just a spaceship simulator. CCP's vision is a SyFy virtual reality which includes Avatars and WiS content. PI and DUST514 is the planetside ground base aspect of this SyFy virtual reality. Nobody is being forced to participate in WiS content. That was another big issue during the Jita Riots which was corrected.
Just because WiS doesn't fit into your idea of game play, that's no reason to tell players to go to another game. If you don't like the way how Eve Online is evolving, maybe you should consider going to another game. I for one would much rather have the option to hang out in a virtual bar shooting the breeze with other players than sit alone in the docking bay spinning ships.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:38:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Wow, so many incorrect statements due to misinformation I almost feel sorry for you.
Allowing ships and modifications to be sold in the NEX Store was one of the major complaints players raged about during the Jita Riots. Hence the term 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships'. Basically it would be exploitation of a 'pay to win' option bypassing the market and player ability to do invention and production. The option to paint or have corp logo placed on ships could be sold thru the NEX Store but it would have to be an unlimited use option. Players are not going to pay for that each time they replace their ships.
CCP has stated from the very beginning that Eve Online is more than just a spaceship simulator. CCP's vision is a SyFy virtual reality which includes Avatars and WiS content. PI and DUST514 is the planetside ground base aspect of this SyFy virtual reality. Nobody is being forced to participate in WiS content. That was another big issue during the Jita Riots which was corrected.
Just because WiS doesn't fit into your idea of game play, that's no reason to tell players to go to another game. If you don't like the way how Eve Online is evolving, maybe you should consider going to another game. I for one would much rather have the option to hang out in a virtual bar shooting the breeze with other players than sit alone in the docking bay spinning ships.
as long as they give us the option to turn it off, im down. Forcing everyone down that path (like they were GOING to do) isnt what Im looking for and if they DO go that way I wont be the only one that finds a new game Im betting lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
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Selinate
848
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:40:00 -
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Bottom Line: with the introduction of avatars into this game, an entire range of absolutely awesome possibilities of game play were introduced also. A type of multidimensional game play can take form in this game now to a degree that was never possible before, no matter what way you look at it. Just look at fanfest and their idea with having avatars explore sleeper ruins. That, in itself, is an awesome concept of game play while using avatars. I would even be absolutely ecstatic if they let my avatar have a gun and battle armor so that I can fight in stations and in ruins also. This would make the game complete for me, and I would never take a hiatus from eve again if it were introduced (I know Dust might take over this instead, but that's just my opinion anyway).
This is not to mention that the introduction of avatars makes the game just that much more immerse for such a large portion of the player base. Here's the thing that I don't understand, though. This is a sandbox. It is advertised as a sandbox. The entire point of this game is that it is a huge sandbox. Then why are you people trying to make me play the game your way? If I choose WiS over FiS, then that is my decision so that I can have fun in the sandbox. Quite honestly, if you disagree with that, you can shove it. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
380
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:28:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Bottom Line: with the introduction of avatars into this game, an entire range of absolutely awesome possibilities of game play were introduced also. A type of multidimensional game play can take form in this game now to a degree that was never possible before, no matter what way you look at it. Just look at fanfest and their idea with having avatars explore sleeper ruins. That, in itself, is an awesome concept of game play while using avatars. I would even be absolutely ecstatic if they let my avatar have a gun and battle armor so that I can fight in stations and in ruins also. This would make the game complete for me, and I would never take a hiatus from eve again if it were introduced (I know Dust might take over this instead, but that's just my opinion anyway).
This is not to mention that the introduction of avatars makes the game just that much more immerse for such a large portion of the player base. Here's the thing that I don't understand, though. This is a sandbox. It is advertised as a sandbox. The entire point of this game is that it is a huge sandbox. Then why are you people trying to make me play the game your way? If I choose WiS over FiS, then that is my decision so that I can have fun in the sandbox. Quite honestly, if you disagree with that, you can shove it.
again... so long as I can shut it off
cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
168
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:32:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
the wis and wod connection are one of the repeating trolls here ,like all the other ones
I asked how old cause I hadnt seen it since coming back to the game (pretty much since the argument started lol)
but just cause you dont agree with them doesnt make them a troll The WiS and WoD connection was there pretty much because when one got shut down the other did too and it really didnt take a rocket scientist to see THAT connection lol
White Wolf got most of its studio (at the time) chopped, they "shelved" WiS and WoD. It looked bacak then like there was a connection given thats what we were being told. Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Selinate
848
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:53:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Selinate wrote:Bottom Line: with the introduction of avatars into this game, an entire range of absolutely awesome possibilities of game play were introduced also. A type of multidimensional game play can take form in this game now to a degree that was never possible before, no matter what way you look at it. Just look at fanfest and their idea with having avatars explore sleeper ruins. That, in itself, is an awesome concept of game play while using avatars. I would even be absolutely ecstatic if they let my avatar have a gun and battle armor so that I can fight in stations and in ruins also. This would make the game complete for me, and I would never take a hiatus from eve again if it were introduced (I know Dust might take over this instead, but that's just my opinion anyway).
This is not to mention that the introduction of avatars makes the game just that much more immerse for such a large portion of the player base. Here's the thing that I don't understand, though. This is a sandbox. It is advertised as a sandbox. The entire point of this game is that it is a huge sandbox. Then why are you people trying to make me play the game your way? If I choose WiS over FiS, then that is my decision so that I can have fun in the sandbox. Quite honestly, if you disagree with that, you can shove it. again... so long as I can shut it off cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
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There is a "Enter captain's quarters" button now, idiot. You don't have to participate in it at all. |
Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
130
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:54:00 -
[4525] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote: again... so long as I can shut it off
cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
Is there any other part of EVE you can shut off? Can I shut off gate camps?
Why would you want to shut anything off? Just dont paticipate if you don't like it.
You're not making much sense.
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:39:00 -
[4526] - Quote
I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.
You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem. Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips. Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems. Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments. and you can figure the rest
You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:49:00 -
[4527] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: again... so long as I can shut it off
cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
Is there any other part of EVE you can shut off? Can I shut off gate camps? Why would you want to shut anything off? Just dont paticipate if you don't like it. You're not making much sense.
Dude there's a checkbox in the esc graphics menu to turn all gate camps off didn't you know? |
Flamespar
Woof Club
355
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:23:00 -
[4528] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote: cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
OMG. Then you had better ask CCP to eliminate all non-consenual PVP whilst your at it. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Kalea Hashur
Promethium Corp.
1
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:33:00 -
[4529] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Wow, so many incorrect statements due to misinformation I almost feel sorry for you.
No need. I wasn't speaking of a pay to win system, simply SHIP cosmetics rather than buying monocles and boots with higher heels.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
184
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:41:00 -
[4530] - Quote
Kalea Hashur wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Wow, so many incorrect statements due to misinformation I almost feel sorry for you.
No need. I wasn't speaking of a pay to win system, simply SHIP cosmetics rather than buying monocles and boots with higher heels.
What is the harm in letting people have both? Some people like to make their avatars look good. I know I do. I tweak my avatar sometimes when I'm waiting for a fleet to form up to take out a POS. Or if I'm just checking market orders or logged in while doing forums crap. It's not like this WiS stuff is really hurting anyone. |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:29:00 -
[4531] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
OMG. Then you had better ask CCP to eliminate all non-consenual PVP whilst your at it.
a.) I didnt make the "dont force me to play YOUR way" argument (which still is wrong)
b.) a lot of the uproar about this BS was i the beginning BECAUSE they were forcing it on us without the option to turn it off.
c.) nonconsentual PVP and gatecamps are SLIGHTLY different from ZERO GAMEPLAY walking is stations crap (Unless they start making it so we can murder ppl in stations that is). An Im truly sorry if you cant see that difference. I see WiS as nothing more than a graphics option. And theres precedence for THOSE to be turned off. ALSO, there IS a button in the UI TO turn off WiS AS IS. All IM saying is keep it there.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
557
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:02:00 -
[4532] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
the wis and wod connection are one of the repeating trolls here ,like all the other ones
I asked how old cause I hadnt seen it since coming back to the game (pretty much since the argument started lol) but just cause you dont agree with them doesnt make them a troll The WiS and WoD connection was there pretty much because when one got shut down the other did too and it really didnt take a rocket scientist to see THAT connection lol White Wolf got most of its studio (at the time) chopped, they "put on the back burner" WoD and WiS. It looked bacak then like there was a connection given thats what we were being told.
Maybe a downsized team ,but a 60 men team on a program isn,t really putting it on the backburner.
And sorry if i made a mistake ,if you did not troll or trying to. But the fact that wis is a beta for wod is used a troll before ,i don,t go searching for it (too lazy) but they were made.
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3727
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:47:00 -
[4533] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Selinate wrote:Bottom Line: with the introduction of avatars into this game, an entire range of absolutely awesome possibilities of game play were introduced also. A type of multidimensional game play can take form in this game now to a degree that was never possible before, no matter what way you look at it. Just look at fanfest and their idea with having avatars explore sleeper ruins. That, in itself, is an awesome concept of game play while using avatars. I would even be absolutely ecstatic if they let my avatar have a gun and battle armor so that I can fight in stations and in ruins also. This would make the game complete for me, and I would never take a hiatus from eve again if it were introduced (I know Dust might take over this instead, but that's just my opinion anyway).
This is not to mention that the introduction of avatars makes the game just that much more immerse for such a large portion of the player base. Here's the thing that I don't understand, though. This is a sandbox. It is advertised as a sandbox. The entire point of this game is that it is a huge sandbox. Then why are you people trying to make me play the game your way? If I choose WiS over FiS, then that is my decision so that I can have fun in the sandbox. Quite honestly, if you disagree with that, you can shove it. again... so long as I can shut it off cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
There are people on the other side of the fence with the same issue as you do.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:11:00 -
[4534] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Selinate wrote:Bottom Line: with the introduction of avatars into this game, an entire range of absolutely awesome possibilities of game play were introduced also. A type of multidimensional game play can take form in this game now to a degree that was never possible before, no matter what way you look at it. Just look at fanfest and their idea with having avatars explore sleeper ruins. That, in itself, is an awesome concept of game play while using avatars. I would even be absolutely ecstatic if they let my avatar have a gun and battle armor so that I can fight in stations and in ruins also. This would make the game complete for me, and I would never take a hiatus from eve again if it were introduced (I know Dust might take over this instead, but that's just my opinion anyway).
This is not to mention that the introduction of avatars makes the game just that much more immerse for such a large portion of the player base. Here's the thing that I don't understand, though. This is a sandbox. It is advertised as a sandbox. The entire point of this game is that it is a huge sandbox. Then why are you people trying to make me play the game your way? If I choose WiS over FiS, then that is my decision so that I can have fun in the sandbox. Quite honestly, if you disagree with that, you can shove it. again... so long as I can shut it off cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong There are people on the other side of the fence with the same issue as you do.
so I dont understand why they object so much to keeping the button where I can turn if off (thats already IN the UI mind you).
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Maybe a downsized team ,but a 60 men team on a program isn,t really putting it on the backburner.
And sorry if i made a mistake ,if you did not troll or trying to. But the fact that wis is a beta for wod is used a troll before ,i don,t go searching for it (too lazy) but they were made.
Sorry, I could be wrong, I remember CCP being the ones telling US they were "putting it on the back burner" - again, not something those of us to whom Wis isnt important made up on our own. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
214
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:45:00 -
[4535] - Quote
I think there are no WiS fans that object to your button. It is there, it will stay. Why shouldn't it? You don't want to be on the station as an avatar, stay in the dock view. It is fine.
If game content is added to WiS and you want to play it, sometimes you will have to click that button again. If said game content does not interest you, ignore it. I think there are a lot of opportunities in station based content, though I agree the main focus should be on space content.
I would still prefer a fully-fledged Space Simulation to what EVE is today. Which sometimes I feel is less than it was at Apocrypha stage and before, as the whole focus seems to be on PVP. A more intelligent & constructive EVE (again) might not hurt. And I do not limit that view to adding WiS content, there are a lot of non-PVP areas that could use some love.
And I agree, it was CCP in one of Hilmar's interviews and some Dev Blog quoting him a few months ago that said WiS is on the backburner, which at the time - and for me even today - feels like: "You'll be stuck in the hamster cage for a looong time.. No Soon TM at all..."
I'm too lazy to find the links now though. |
Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
131
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:55:00 -
[4536] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.
You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem. Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips. Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems. Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments. and you can figure the rest
You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF. What's wrong with Aurum? If anything they should expand Aurum and do away with PLEX. Aurum has way more flexibilty in application.
Aurum and PLEX are the same thing, some people just can't accept it because they can't handle change(see what I did there?). |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:18:00 -
[4537] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.
You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem. Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips. Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems. Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments. and you can figure the rest
You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF. What's wrong with Aurum? If anything they should expand Aurum and do away with PLEX. Aurum has way more flexibilty in application. Aurum and PLEX are the same thing, some people just can't accept it because they can't handle change(see what I did there?).
See STO... it wasnt long till the devs were telling ppl on the forums that if it wasnt for the store where they sell them, theyd have no interest in even making the stuff in there (which ended up being all the new additions to the game). And that was before the game went free. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:35:00 -
[4538] - Quote
You should go see Guild Wars 2 micro transaction system and who they decided they should copy.
-Vix SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.12 02:29:00 -
[4539] - Quote
Soulpirate wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.
You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem. Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips. Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems. Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments. and you can figure the rest
You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF. What's wrong with Aurum? If anything they should expand Aurum and do away with PLEX. Aurum has way more flexibilty in application. Aurum and PLEX are the same thing, some people just can't accept it because they can't handle change(see what I did there?).
There is nothing wrong with aurem, except the scrubs who whine about how expensive it is.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
391
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Posted - 2012.04.12 02:34:00 -
[4540] - Quote
Stellar Vix wrote:You should go see Guild Wars 2 micro transaction system and who they decided they should copy.
-Vix
Id rather just ask. The game really hasnt grabbed my attention.
ANOTHER fantasy mmo is not what Im looking for right now https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
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Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
131
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Posted - 2012.04.12 17:06:00 -
[4541] - Quote
What they need to do is sell PLEX of various sizes in the NeX store. 7 day, 14 day, 30 day etc. Also they should allow players to break up their Aurum into tokens of various sizes to sell any unwanted Aurum. They would have to stop selling GTC and sell large Aurum tokens in their place.
At the moment, if you want to buy anything from the NeX store, buying tokens is much cheaper and makes more sense than converting PLEX as you are less likley to end up with extra.
I think Aurum tokens are the new PLEX.
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Avila Cracko
312
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Posted - 2012.04.12 21:10:00 -
[4542] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Flamespar wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
OMG. Then you had better ask CCP to eliminate all non-consenual PVP whilst your at it. a.) I didnt make the "dont force me to play YOUR way" argument (which still is wrong) b.) a lot of the uproar about this BS was i the beginning BECAUSE they were forcing it on us without the option to turn it off. c.) nonconsentual PVP and gatecamps are SLIGHTLY different from ZERO GAMEPLAY walking is stations crap (Unless they start making it so we can murder ppl in stations that is). An Im truly sorry if you cant see that difference. I see WiS as nothing more than a graphics option. And theres precedence for THOSE to be turned off. ALSO, there IS a button in the UI TO turn off WiS AS IS. All IM saying is keep it there.
Gate camps are not gameplay for me. Nor are suicide ganks.
so "YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong" truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
464
|
Posted - 2012.04.12 21:29:00 -
[4543] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Flamespar wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
OMG. Then you had better ask CCP to eliminate all non-consenual PVP whilst your at it. a.) I didnt make the "dont force me to play YOUR way" argument (which still is wrong) b.) a lot of the uproar about this BS was i the beginning BECAUSE they were forcing it on us without the option to turn it off. c.) nonconsentual PVP and gatecamps are SLIGHTLY different from ZERO GAMEPLAY walking is stations crap (Unless they start making it so we can murder ppl in stations that is). An Im truly sorry if you cant see that difference. I see WiS as nothing more than a graphics option. And theres precedence for THOSE to be turned off. ALSO, there IS a button in the UI TO turn off WiS AS IS. All IM saying is keep it there. Gate camps are not gameplay for me. Nor are suicide ganks. so "YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong"
Well, that's how the game goes. They can spoil your fun, yet you can't spoil theirs. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Gevlin
Universal Might DSM FOUNDATION
131
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Posted - 2012.04.12 21:48:00 -
[4544] - Quote
Player created content
Mini Games looking at some of the "indy space games" see some good stuff.
Was wondering if it would be possible to import some games into the eve WIS environment. Giving players the opportunity to creat for the game.
Artwork Allow players to submit player created tattoos to be sold for Aurum - Player who created the tatoo gets like a 10% cut of the price.
Adventures: With the introduction of the Robot avatars I would like to see a system though markers, ie Corpses, Book Marks. for players to build missions including - Patrols, Scouting, Or pointing to a constilation, pointing to a 8/10 complex that has to be hunt down. Do these mission need to provide LP or Isk rewards beyond the NPC's they shoot - No really unless the creator of the mission want to donate these resources. I am assume Goons would put out a bounty - Provide me with a kill mail of a hulk you destroyed in Gellente space and I will reward you with 50mill.. This content would not only allow player creativity but also help fill the void of Theme Park content that some players crave -
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
28
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Posted - 2012.04.13 00:01:00 -
[4545] - Quote
Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades. Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Avila Cracko
312
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 00:08:00 -
[4546] - Quote
Yoma Karima wrote:Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades.
Off topic: I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that... You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not. truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1510
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 00:43:00 -
[4547] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:Yoma Karima wrote:Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades. Off topic: I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that... You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not. Having asteroids break up on contact is something CCP is looking to implement, probably in 2013.
http://youtu.be/8k7oaz8mWug
Check out the face on the asteroid at 4:10 to 4:40, lol. |
MR DEMOS
Death Knight Legion Whiskey Creek Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.04.13 01:19:00 -
[4548] - Quote
been at this game for over 6 years now.. I recently went to STO for a bit of a break Since it's good to get away. I'll admit that Some of the stuff in STO is pretty cool the mechanics of the PVE missions making you actually think and doing some basic problem solving i found that pretty interesting. As for the rest of it it's Grind grind grind ... that i don't like. WIS has been talked about for years.. I honestly think CCP needs to get the Space part waorked out first and do some really cool things with the game Mechanics before that can be transfered to WIS. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
398
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 01:24:00 -
[4549] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Flamespar wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
OMG. Then you had better ask CCP to eliminate all non-consenual PVP whilst your at it. a.) I didnt make the "dont force me to play YOUR way" argument (which still is wrong) b.) a lot of the uproar about this BS was i the beginning BECAUSE they were forcing it on us without the option to turn it off. c.) nonconsentual PVP and gatecamps are SLIGHTLY different from ZERO GAMEPLAY walking is stations crap (Unless they start making it so we can murder ppl in stations that is). An Im truly sorry if you cant see that difference. I see WiS as nothing more than a graphics option. And theres precedence for THOSE to be turned off. ALSO, there IS a button in the UI TO turn off WiS AS IS. All IM saying is keep it there. Gate camps are not gameplay for me. Nor are suicide ganks. so "YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong"
but its a sandbox so whats gameplay to YOU doesnt matter. Its whats gameplay to EVERYONE
or something https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 01:54:00 -
[4550] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:
Gate camps are not gameplay for me. Nor are suicide ganks.
so "YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong"
Are you saying that loading CQ, wis environments should be mandatory on all clients? |
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Citizen Jared
Amphysvena
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 02:25:00 -
[4551] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Sadly, this is exactly why a lot of game developers don't promise to implement whatever the players demand.
For the record, Incarna/WiS was lusted after for years, it was very popular and used to be know as Ambulation back when everyone wanted it.
Even more hilarious is that hundreds of players unsubbed over that time because CCP hadn't delivered Ambulation yet, and they were all waiting.
Than, CCP finally gets to it, calls it Incarna, and every cries foul and wants their spaceships back.
CCP promises to give spaceships more attention, and people start unsubbing again because they've stopped work on Incarna.
Its almost comical, but the lesson to be learned is that player demand/feedback is only worth so much. Apparently, the player base has no patience when it comes to having a company develop custom technologies to suit their every whim.
No matter what CCP does, they are "screwing over" someone. No matter what they announce, people will unsub over it. /thread
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T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.13 02:58:00 -
[4552] - Quote
I motion that WIS in it's current form be removed and replaced with "Dust 514 PC version". |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 02:58:00 -
[4553] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Well, that's how the game goes. They can spoil your fun, yet you can't spoil theirs.
Do you have any illuminating ideas on new mechanics that allow a non-multiboxing solo player to effectively counter a small gang or blob? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3755
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Posted - 2012.04.13 03:07:00 -
[4554] - Quote
You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well.
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.13 04:11:00 -
[4555] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well. sorry, can you eloborate on this a bit |
Gevlin
Universal Might DSM FOUNDATION
132
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Posted - 2012.04.13 04:17:00 -
[4556] - Quote
I am wondering how much of Dust 514 can be ported to WIS.
The quality of graphics are a lower quality than WIS. Meant to run on a old machine. When PS4 comes out and Dust moves to that platform. we may actually see some porting back and forth from WIS, Dust and WOD I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
356
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 06:18:00 -
[4557] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:I am wondering how much of Dust 514 can be ported to WIS.
The quality of graphics are a lower quality than WIS. Meant to run on a old machine. When PS4 comes out and Dust moves to that platform. we may actually see some porting back and forth from WIS, Dust and WOD
I remember reading somewhere that CCP creates high detailed models and then uses them to create the lesser detailed models that end up in the game. So the higher quality suff might actually be available.
Personally I think that dust514 is going to increase the demand for avatar related gameplay in EVE. Simply because dust players will come to EVE who are used to avatars. And also because EVE players will see how much fun dust players are having with their avatars.
Besides. You can't T-Bad your enemy with a spaceship. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
466
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Posted - 2012.04.13 06:32:00 -
[4558] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:Yoma Karima wrote:Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades. Off topic: I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that... You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not.
That's how mining works in X3 games; asteroids are either too big to break so you build a mine on them, or are small and then you fire with a mining laser to break them into smaller chunks and collect them.*
*You can too set up a mining ship to do that off-sector with the appropiate autopilot software. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
466
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Posted - 2012.04.13 06:38:00 -
[4559] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Well, that's how the game goes. They can spoil your fun, yet you can't spoil theirs.
Do you have any illuminating ideas on new mechanics that allow a non-multiboxing solo player to effectively counter a small gang or blob?
Look after their leader and biomass him in his CQ. Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.13 07:19:00 -
[4560] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:The quality of graphics are a lower quality than WIS. Meant to run on a old machine. My 9800GT card likes the sound of that. |
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T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.13 07:22:00 -
[4561] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Besides. You can't T-Bad your enemy with a spaceship. Maybe not, but you can always T-Bone em with a Howitzer. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.13 08:30:00 -
[4562] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Well, that's how the game goes. They can spoil your fun, yet you can't spoil theirs.
Do you have any illuminating ideas on new mechanics that allow a non-multiboxing solo player to effectively counter a small gang or blob? Look after their leader and biomass him in his CQ. Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown. Well that was constructive. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
466
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:07:00 -
[4563] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:[quote=RAP ACTION HERO][quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai Well, that's how the game goes. They can spoil your fun, yet you can't spoil theirs.[/quote Do you have any illuminating ideas on new mechanics that allow a non-multiboxing solo player to effectively counter a small gang or blob? Look after their leader and biomass him in his CQ. Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.[/quote Well that was constructive.
Well, the obivous answer is obvious: PvP flags.
The not-so-obvious answer is that EVE's corporations rely on authocratic leadership, which is naturally vulnerable to the ellmination of the thinking head.
So i am pretty serious here. The mechanics could be worked out, but the point is, extraordinary advantages must be met with extraordinary handicaps.
Currently this game is an inch away from being like "Haw haw, we are 50 and we beated the **** out of a guy in a wheelchair, LOLZ!", and the new wardec mechanics will move it half an inch in that direction. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Kalea Hashur
Promethium Corp. Army of Dark Shadows
1
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:24:00 -
[4564] - Quote
Flamespar wrote: Personally I think that dust514 is going to increase the demand for avatar related gameplay in EVE. Simply because dust players will come to EVE who are used to avatars. And also because EVE players will see how much fun dust players are having with their avatars.
What is it that Dust514 players will be doing with their avatars other than shooting people in the face? If EVE players want to shoot people in the face rather than the hull, then they should hop on Dust, or another shooter game to facilitate that.
What makes EVE the game that it is... is the play style that it has.
Sure, the Merc "ready room" in orbit that they showed at fanfest was like "whooooa, cool!" because it was new and shiny. I'm on board with that. But after seeing that room after 50 logins, you're just trying to get through it as quick as possible (a la Planetside).
And sure, the video that they showed of the guys docking into a sleeper facility and going inside with enviro / assault suits was pretty freakin cool. But I'd rather see that implemented as part of Dust514, a game that already supports that sort of action, rather than seeing it ad-hocced onto EVE, our spaceship game.
I think of it this way: EVE players hire a team of Dust514 mercs. They fit up a transport ship (maybe a blockade runner), grab the mercs and put them in their cargo. The transport undocks, along with a wing of fighter support. They set off for a wormhole where they found a sleeper installation (maybe it's on a wormhole planet, or just a cosmic signature). Meanwhile, the Dust mercs are playing with their fits in their ready room. They make it to the installation and the mercs undock from the ship and enter the sleeper installation. Now the support wing has to protect the area while the mercs do their jobs inside, because oops, the guys inside set off an alarm and woke up some sleeper security.
What is going to make Dust514 so freaking COOL, will be the interaction and collaboration between the two different styles of play. They shouldn't develop Dust514 and later say, dang, we should put some ships in there for them to fly from system to system! That's for capsuleers. |
Avila Cracko
317
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:01:00 -
[4565] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:Yoma Karima wrote:Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades. Off topic: I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that... You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not. That's how mining works in X3 games; asteroids are either too big to break so you build a mine on them, or are small and then you fire with a mining laser to break them into smaller chunks and collect them.* *You can too set up a mining ship to do that off-sector with the appropiate autopilot software.
blink blink... That in EVE, please???
And that mining colonies could be players personal CQ. You mine, make money and have your own house there... Or you can make deep space black market there... truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:29:00 -
[4566] - Quote
Off-topic - a few hours ago, this thread was 216 pages long. Now it is down to 215 again. |
Severian Carnifex
167
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:32:00 -
[4567] - Quote
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:Off-topic - a few hours ago, this thread was 216 pages long. Now it is down to 215 again.
From the time of fanfest there have been stealth erased around 10 pages of posts and 2 pages have been erased with dev comment.
And before that there was deletion of posts in this thread too. |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:36:00 -
[4568] - Quote
Severian Carnifex wrote:From the time of fanfest there have been stealth erased around 10 pages of posts and 2 pages have been erased with dev comment.
And before that there was deletion of posts in this thread too. Anyone OCD enough to keep logs of this forum wanna wanna fill us in on what those missing pages were? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
467
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:03:00 -
[4569] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:From the time of fanfest there have been stealth erased around 10 pages of posts and 2 pages have been erased with dev comment.
And before that there was deletion of posts in this thread too. Anyone OCD enough to keep logs of this forum wanna wanna fill us in on what those missing pages were?
As some of the post erased were mine, I can tell you. I was talking about how WiS could be used for wars by allowing a wardecced player to murder the CEO of the wardeccing corp, taking advantage of the authocratic nature of EVE corporations and adding a true risk to abusing other players.
I also stated what do I think of most griefers in the game and how CCP wrongfully caters to them, and how EVE is extremely slanted in favor of unconsequential bullying. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
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T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:09:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I also stated what do I think of most griefers in the game and how CCP wrongfully caters to them, and how EVE is extremely slanted in favor of unconsequential bullying. You smell like prey. GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3776
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Nova Fox wrote:You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well. sorry, can you eloborate on this a bit
Okay I think ill have to copy paste this into its own thread. sorry.
Microsoft has network policies in place, they prevent mmo styled patching becuase each deployment would cost 10k usd which isnt much but for a company like ccp those fees hurt. It also prevents talking out of the network to another game network which is why you dont have 'orgin' or 'steam' on the x360 as well. Also because of the policies involved a game on the Xbox live network must use Xbox specific tools for certain things such as voice comms.
If you had a game that was on PC PS3 DS Vita and Wii and you wanted to change a small sampeling of similar rules to the ones in the previous paragraph forget it. The company is going to laugh at you and cosider thier 'share' of the market for that game too diluted to bend over backwards for you.
MS also uses this as a 'bargaining' chip for thier own exclusives for example they waive the fees of patch deployments for CoD which is why all the CoD stuff is on xbox 360 first before it out anywhere else.
PSN had 'similar' network like restrictions. However sony was looking for something to slay halo and Dust 514 is the closest thing they've ran across. When CCP pitched the idea to the sony execs they probably dropped thier jaws in the ambition of CCP's goals with dust 514. Its one of those odd curved balled ideas that might just work you know. So Sony asks CCP what they need from Sony Playstation Network in order for the game to work.
Deployment Fee's Gone. VIOP Software 3rd party able. Network connectivity flexibilities and slews and slews and slews of other little things.
So far sony has gone the miles ccp has asked for. To the point that sony is wanting to model the microtransaction store based on CCP's efforts in dust 514.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
401
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:39:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well.
dont think M$ was cool with having a microtransaction system they couldnt get a slice of and Sony is desperate
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:46:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Nova Fox wrote:You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well. dont think M$ was cool with having a microtransaction system they couldnt get a slice of and Sony is desperate
Sounds just like M$ arrogant bastards will rue the day they rejected dust 514.
-Vix SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
401
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:06:00 -
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Stellar Vix wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Nova Fox wrote:You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well. dont think M$ was cool with having a microtransaction system they couldnt get a slice of and Sony is desperate Sounds just like M$ arrogant bastards will rue the day they rejected dust 514. -Vix
lol?
Sorry, but this wont be the next Halo. Unless you play EVE its just another faceless FPS, just one you pay real money for equipment and ammo. Thats a detraction to me not a benefit btw https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
403
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:40:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:T-B0NE wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:From the time of fanfest there have been stealth erased around 10 pages of posts and 2 pages have been erased with dev comment.
And before that there was deletion of posts in this thread too. Anyone OCD enough to keep logs of this forum wanna wanna fill us in on what those missing pages were? As some of the post erased were mine, I can tell you. I was talking about how WiS could be used for wars by allowing a wardecced player to murder the CEO of the wardeccing corp, taking advantage of the authocratic nature of EVE corporations and adding a true risk to abusing other players. I also stated what do I think of most griefers in the game and how CCP wrongfully caters to them, and how EVE is extremely slanted in favor of unconsequential bullying.
huh interesting, its usually bad to discuss moderation
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3782
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:59:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Stellar Vix wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Nova Fox wrote:You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well. dont think M$ was cool with having a microtransaction system they couldnt get a slice of and Sony is desperate Sounds just like M$ arrogant bastards will rue the day they rejected dust 514. -Vix lol? Sorry, but this wont be the next Halo. Unless you play EVE its just another faceless FPS, just one you pay real money for equipment and ammo. Thats a detraction to me not a benefit btw
Funny you say that, Halo was labeled as such back in the day when nobody ever took console shooters seriously.
In retrospec Medal of Honor had truely horrendous controls. Halo was labeled last gens most underhyped successful game ever.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
557
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:20:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1105302#post1105302
Bully Hedro wrote:Question about the new character skin tones that will be released with Inferno http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/Will we have the options to change the complexions on characters that we already created? Will we have the options to change body changes (ie plastic surgery) for already made characters? Anyone know? If a dev could comment it would be nice.
CCP karkur wrote:to answer your questions: - as far as i know - as far as i know
- i kind of know, but i'm not 100% (and I'm also not sure if the new skintones will be in Escalation, I'll ask some people tomorrow).
well you own team gives you very little info .
CCP karkur wrote:Indahmawar, I think she would get a free resculpt too.
It's great to see that you guys are so interested in the characters and their outfits, but just remember that we are focusing now on "FiS" and we are not making any new assets for the characters right now.
Focus on FIS ok good thing.
but what is Team Avatar actually doing at the moment, Avatar or WIS related ? Nothing?
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
111
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:26:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:
Funny you say that, Halo was labeled as such back in the day when nobody ever took console shooters seriously.
In retrospec Medal of Honor had truely horrendous controls. Halo was labeled last gens most underhyped successful game ever.
Please tell me youre joking if you actually think Dust 514 will equal Halo in success
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
557
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:32:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Funny you say that, Halo was labeled as such back in the day when nobody ever took console shooters seriously.
In retrospec Medal of Honor had truely horrendous controls. Halo was labeled last gens most underhyped successful game ever.
Please tell me youre joking if you actually think Dust 514 will equal Halo in success
Dust will only be successful in the EVE community ,outside the community only until the next shooter if not i will make an apology letter on these forums were i promise not to play for 30 days(will not happen)
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
468
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Posted - 2012.04.14 07:02:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:(....)
Focus on FIS ok good thing.
but what is Team Avatar actually doing at the moment, Avatar or WIS related ? Nothing?
Huh, I should check my memory, but as far as I recall, sleeve tattoos and racial blending are the last leftovers of Incarna that don't require assistance from the art team. I guess the Collections fit into the same cathegory as the unreleased NEx assets, i.e., The Unspeakable, so we won't get any news on that front until CCP determines what to do with the NEx.
So, my guess is that there's not much left for A-Team to do after Inferno unless CCP reactivates the NEx, or the art team already had finished some CQ modules before changing course.
(Of course they may continue prototyping dungeon raiding and other gameplay, but, we know that's not a full time job) EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:05:00 -
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indahmawar and oldbut stop whining. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
557
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:30:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:indahmawar and oldbut stop whining.
and why should this old but listen to you? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
557
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:40:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:(....)
Focus on FIS ok good thing.
but what is Team Avatar actually doing at the moment, Avatar or WIS related ? Nothing?
Huh, I should check my memory, but as far as I recall, sleeve tattoos and racial blending are the last leftovers of Incarna that don't require assistance from the art team. I guess the Collections fit into the same cathegory as the unreleased NEx assets, i.e., The Unspeakable, so we won't get any news on that front until CCP determines what to do with the NEx. So, my guess is that there's not much left for A-Team to do after Inferno unless CCP reactivates the NEx, or the art team already had finished some CQ modules before changing course. (Of course they may continue prototyping dungeon raiding and other gameplay, but, we know that's not a full time job)
Do Team Avatar is really prototyping ? They don,t show us much Their QA shows us she doesn,t even know what TA is working on. As far i can tell Team Avatar is only in name dedicated to the stuff ,they said they would work on. They say they prototype ,let them show what that means and i don,t mean some video made in somebody,s kitchen. pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Mikhem
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.04.14 17:25:00 -
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Here is video from youtube that has some awesome screenshots of establishments. Me gusta. When is this coming out?
Mikhem
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3785
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Posted - 2012.04.14 17:39:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Funny you say that, Halo was labeled as such back in the day when nobody ever took console shooters seriously.
In retrospec Medal of Honor had truely horrendous controls. Halo was labeled last gens most underhyped successful game ever.
Please tell me youre joking if you actually think Dust 514 will equal Halo in success
Im just saying both games are fighting the same uphill battle.
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Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.14 19:26:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:EVE Stig wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Funny you say that, Halo was labeled as such back in the day when nobody ever took console shooters seriously.
In retrospec Medal of Honor had truely horrendous controls. Halo was labeled last gens most underhyped successful game ever.
Please tell me youre joking if you actually think Dust 514 will equal Halo in success Dust will only be successful in the EVE community ,outside the community only until the next shooter if not i will make an apology letter on these forums were i promise not to play for 30 days(will not happen)
Saying it will never have a following outside of the tiny EVE playerbase is just as ridiculous as saying it will be the next Halo. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
121
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Posted - 2012.04.14 19:38:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:EVE Stig wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Funny you say that, Halo was labeled as such back in the day when nobody ever took console shooters seriously.
In retrospec Medal of Honor had truely horrendous controls. Halo was labeled last gens most underhyped successful game ever.
Please tell me youre joking if you actually think Dust 514 will equal Halo in success Im just saying both games are fighting the same uphill battle.
Halo seems to be fighting a downhill one... as in there arent to be any more games as ive heard
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
675
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Posted - 2012.04.14 19:50:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Do Team Avatar is really prototyping ? They don,t show us much Their QA shows us she doesn,t even know what TA is working on. As far i can tell Team Avatar is only in name dedicated to the stuff ,they said they would work on. They say they prototype ,let them show what that means and i don,t mean some video made in somebody,s kitchen. Am I the QA who doesn't know what we are working on? Of course I know what we are working on! I'm even adding the skincolors to the character creator myself.
We are working on the skincolors, but when I wrote this, I was not sure we would have everything ready before Escalation (and we have now decided not to rush it too much and release it in Inferno), and we had talked about giving people resculpts, but I didn't want to make any promises until I had confirmed it with our product owner.
And our team is really prototyping, but it's not something that we can share with you guys right now. The people who came to our roundtable at Fanfest saw a video of us playtesting an early prototype CCP karkur | UI Programmer | Team Avatar | @CCP_karkur |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
235
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Posted - 2012.04.14 19:55:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Do Team Avatar is really prototyping ? They don,t show us much Their QA shows us she doesn,t even know what TA is working on. As far i can tell Team Avatar is only in name dedicated to the stuff ,they said they would work on. They say they prototype ,let them show what that means and i don,t mean some video made in somebody,s kitchen. Am I the QA who doesn't know what we are working on? Of course I know what we are working on! I'm even adding the skincolors to the character creator myself. We are working on the skincolors, but when I wrote this, I was not sure we would have everything ready before Escalation (and we have now decided not to rush it too much and release it in Inferno), and we had talked about giving people resculpts, but I didn't want to make any promises until I had confirmed it with our product owner. (maybe I should add that I'm the only programmer from our team who is working on the skincolors). And our team is really prototyping, but the prototype is not in a state where we can share with you guys right now. The people who came to our roundtable at Fanfest saw a video of us playtesting an early prototype They realy did but you had to be there |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1532
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Posted - 2012.04.15 00:14:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Do Team Avatar is really prototyping ? They don,t show us much Their QA shows us she doesn,t even know what TA is working on. As far i can tell Team Avatar is only in name dedicated to the stuff ,they said they would work on. They say they prototype ,let them show what that means and i don,t mean some video made in somebody,s kitchen. Am I the QA who doesn't know what we are working on? Of course I know what we are working on! I'm even adding the skincolors to the character creator myself. We are working on the skincolors, but when I wrote this, I was not sure we would have everything ready before Escalation (and we have now decided not to rush it too much and release it in Inferno), and we had talked about giving people resculpts, but I didn't want to make any promises until I had confirmed it with our product owner. (maybe I should add that I'm the only programmer from our team who is working on the skincolors). And our team is really prototyping, but the prototype is not in a state where we can share it with you guys right now. The people who came to our roundtable at Fanfest saw a video of us playtesting an early prototype
CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees?
CCP Bayesian wrote:
We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP Karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn
Anyway, in the Fanfest 2012 'CCP Presents' video, CCP t0rfifrans was talking about the Circle of Life for Eve - Destruction, Harvest and Craft. Right now it's Destruction, next phase is Harvest featuring Ring Mining, maybe Salvage Drones with the last phase being Craft, pertaining to Industry and Manufacturing, PoS revamp.
In the preview showing Avatars doing exploration collecting special implant parts, will that be part of the Harvest aspect of the Circle of Life for Eve, implemented in 2013? If that's the case, will we see the other aspects for WiS like Corporation Meeting Rooms and Player Owned Establishments in the Craft aspect of the Circle of Life for Eve, implemented in 2014?
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oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
558
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:07:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Do Team Avatar is really prototyping ? They don,t show us much Their QA shows us she doesn,t even know what TA is working on. As far i can tell Team Avatar is only in name dedicated to the stuff ,they said they would work on. They say they prototype ,let them show what that means and i don,t mean some video made in somebody,s kitchen. Am I the QA who doesn't know what we are working on? Of course I know what we are working on! I'm even adding the skincolors to the character creator myself. We are working on the skincolors, but when I wrote this, I was not sure we would have everything ready before Escalation (and we have now decided not to rush it too much and release it in Inferno), and we had talked about giving people resculpts, but I didn't want to make any promises until I had confirmed it with our product owner. (maybe I should add that I'm the only programmer from our team who is working on the skincolors). And our team is really prototyping, but the prototype is not in a state where we can share it with you guys right now. The people who came to our roundtable at Fanfest saw a video of us playtesting an early prototype
so why not share that video with the rest who don,t have the time or money to go to Fanfest pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:21:00 -
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CoLe Blackblood wrote:I like the idea of Walking in Stations. The scope of what CCP is trying to do with their space game is quite impressive...rather than being like every other nub on here and saying GTFO, I will say that we need more spaceships way before we need to go to the cantina.
More spaceships!
Hey I'm a noob, and as far as I can see there are an overwhelming number of spaceships to choose from!
What exactly are we missing in the spaceship department in this game?
I love the idea of the immersion and role-playing opportunities that WiS brings.
I would love to see CCP also involve the community in designing interior spaces. I know there are a lot of talented and dedicated EVE players who would do such design work free of charge.
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Jonas Xiamon
73
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:25:00 -
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Yep, would love to walk around in stations... Have wanted this since the beginning. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1612
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:05:00 -
[4594] - Quote
There's like over 300 different ships available in Eve. I wouldn't consider that as being neglected.
There's like only 4 different rooms available in Eve. I'd consider that as being neglected.
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Kanis Tivianne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:35:00 -
[4595] - Quote
As much negativity is shown by parts of the community concerning expanding in-station interactions (character customization, Captain's Quarters as well as potential social spaces), I for one look forward to the expansion. It's admittedly not the point of EVE to have a beautiful character generator, or RPG like interactions, but its an amazing system that far surpasses anything a game like Mass Effect has to offer, and I think that further development on interior interaction is a step in the right direction.
Love the work so far, please keep it up! |
Tomiko Kawase
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:52:00 -
[4596] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:We are working on the skincolors, but when I wrote this, I was not sure we would have everything ready before Escalation (and we have now decided not to rush it too much and release it in Inferno), and we had talked about giving people resculpts, but I didn't want to make any promises until I had confirmed it with our product owner. (maybe I should add that I'm the only programmer from our team who is working on the skincolors).
I'd love if you really pushed for giving us a resclupt. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3338
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:57:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:Nova Fox wrote:
Funny you say that, Halo was labeled as such back in the day when nobody ever took console shooters seriously.
In retrospec Medal of Honor had truely horrendous controls. Halo was labeled last gens most underhyped successful game ever.
Please tell me youre joking if you actually think Dust 514 will equal Halo in success
It doesn't have to. If it's about 1% as successful as Halo, it will still be a "success" Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
248
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Posted - 2012.04.15 09:14:00 -
[4598] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees? CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn CCP karkur is a UI Programmer (as is clearly stated in her forum signature ). From the time this was written then CCP Aporia and CCP Prime (both Programmers) have joined the team. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
474
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Posted - 2012.04.15 09:36:00 -
[4599] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees? CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn CCP karkur is a UI Programmer (as is clearly stated in her forum signature ). From the time this was written then CCP Aporia and CCP Prime (both Programmers) have joined the team.
ARRGHH! Then they no longer are four guys and a gal = A-Team! Curse you, CCP!
OTOH, WiS just got 40% more resources allocated to it! Whoaah!!! EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
677
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Posted - 2012.04.15 09:39:00 -
[4600] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees?
Like Explorer said, I am a programmer, but oldbutfeelingyoung was quoting something I said, and then later said "Their QA shows us she doesn,t even know what TA is working on." so I was wondering if that was me (since ginger bearded CCP RedDawn is hardly a "she") CCP karkur | UI Programmer | Team Avatar | @CCP_karkur |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
558
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:00:00 -
[4601] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees?
Like Explorer said, I am a programmer, but oldbutfeelingyoung was quoting something I said, and then later said "Their QA shows us she doesn,t even know what TA is working on." so I was wondering if that was me (since ginger bearded CCP RedDawn is hardly a "she")
my bad A mistake made by me sorry for that pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
558
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:07:00 -
[4602] - Quote
but the question stays ,is it possible to let us see what was shown at fanfest roundtables ?
or a link at some ccp video ,in case i missed it pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:07:00 -
[4603] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees? CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn CCP karkur is a UI Programmer (as is clearly stated in her forum signature ). From the time this was written then CCP Aporia and CCP Prime (both Programmers) have joined the team. ARRGHH! Then they no longer are four guys and a gal = A-Team! Curse you, CCP! OTOH, WiS just got 40% more resources allocated to it! Whoaah!!!
Behold, the power of tears
GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
558
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:45:00 -
[4604] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees? CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn CCP karkur is a UI Programmer (as is clearly stated in her forum signature ). From the time this was written then CCP Aporia and CCP Prime (both Programmers) have joined the team. ARRGHH! Then they no longer are four guys and a gal = A-Team! Curse you, CCP! OTOH, WiS just got 40% more resources allocated to it! Whoaah!!! Behold, the power of tears
if there was any power in tears then: no ganking no canflipping no wardecs no scamming no hulkageddon no gate bubbles no bans on some e-famous Goon pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
18
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Posted - 2012.04.15 14:09:00 -
[4605] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high. We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.
I'm guessing this hasn't happened yet? To join Heimatar Military Industries-á visit website or conatct Bluddwolf in-gamewww.hmi.guildlaunch.com |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1650
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 15:33:00 -
[4606] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:We have in no particular order:
Designers: CCP Flying Scotsman CCP t0rfifrans
Software Engineers: CCP karkur CCP Bayesian
QA: CCP RedDawn CCP karkur is a UI Programmer (as is clearly stated in her forum signature ). From the time this was written then CCP Aporia and CCP Prime (both Programmers) have joined the team.
Thanks for the clarification and updated info about Team Avatar. It's good to know Team Avatar is growing and now has 7 members. I wish them all good luck and much success.
CCP karkur wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees?
Like Explorer said, I am a programmer, but oldbutfeelingyoung was quoting something I said, and then later said "Their QA shows us she doesn,t even know what TA is working on." so I was wondering if that was me (since ginger bearded CCP RedDawn is hardly a "she")
I understand now and thanks. Statements can easily be misconstrued which is why I asked. Speaking of statements, any chance of getting some comments pertaining to this?
Quote:Anyway, in the Fanfest 2012 'CCP Presents' video, CCP t0rfifrans was talking about the Circle of Life for Eve - Destruction, Harvest and Craft. Right now it's Destruction, next phase is Harvest featuring Ring Mining, maybe Salvage Drones with the last phase being Craft, pertaining to Industry and Manufacturing, PoS revamp.
In the preview showing Avatars doing exploration collecting special implant parts, will that be part of the Harvest aspect of the Circle of Life for Eve, implemented in 2013? If that's the case, will we see the other aspects for WiS like Corporation Meeting Rooms and Player Owned Establishments in the Craft aspect of the Circle of Life for Eve, implemented in 2014?
Due to statements made at FanFest - more focused on implementing WiS content that is more in line with the FiS aspect of Eve - some players are now under the impression that there will not be any of the old Ambulation ideas incorporated into WiS content, such as Corporation Meeting Rooms, Command Centers, Player Owned Establishments, Gambling Games, etc..
I didn't perceive it like that. Seemed to me the intention is to first implement content that would appeal to a large portion of the player base and then expand on that into other aspects of the game. I understand nothing is set in stone and just a simple generalization would be much appreciated.
DMC |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
72
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 15:38:00 -
[4607] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
if there was any power in tears then: no ganking no canflipping no wardecs no scamming no hulkageddon no gate bubbles no bans on some e-famous Goon
If there wasnt we'd be buying ships in the NeX store by now and the catchphrase for CCP would still be "watch what they do not wat they say" GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
560
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Posted - 2012.04.15 15:46:00 -
[4608] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
if there was any power in tears then: no ganking no canflipping no wardecs no scamming no hulkageddon no gate bubbles no bans on some e-famous Goon
If there wasnt we'd be buying ships in the NeX store by now and the catchphrase for CCP would still be "watch what they do not wat they say" and there would be more WiS content and a LOT less players
don,t think the WIS content would make EVE less populated The nex on the ohter hand will . So quit bashing WIS ideas and bash the real reason and thats the NEXfail
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
72
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 15:57:00 -
[4609] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
if there was any power in tears then: no ganking no canflipping no wardecs no scamming no hulkageddon no gate bubbles no bans on some e-famous Goon
If there wasnt we'd be buying ships in the NeX store by now and the catchphrase for CCP would still be "watch what they do not wat they say" and there would be more WiS content and a LOT less players don,t think the WIS content would make EVE less populated The nex on the ohter hand will . So quit bashing WIS ideas and bash the real reason and thats the NEXfail
were you HERE? Im assuming youre new and werent here for the summer of rage. The idea that they cold halt production on FiS stuff and do only WiS stuff was a big part of the rage. HGow many months was it they STOPPED FiS production and said "just wait this long..."
TEARS changed that progress.
THAT was the point of what I said. GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1652
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 16:19:00 -
[4610] - Quote
bornaa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote: "eve is dying because there is no wis", "i am unsubbing because there's no wis", sounds like wis-at-all-cost but eve is not dying, why rush wis? just let them get it right, they did botch it the first time.
Sounds like they want WiS content added to the game, nowhere did they say 'WiS at all costs'. As for your statement about WiS being botched the first time, it was the Incarna expansion that was botched and I'm not going to state all the problems associated with it again. The main problem with the WiS delivered in the Incarna expansion was that it didn't include the Ambulation that was promised to players years ago. You wanted to say this: (its funny how many times we need to quote you ) DeMichael Crimson wrote:So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs. The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'. Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order. The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner. Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer. By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected?
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1652
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:24:00 -
[4611] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
were you HERE? Im assuming youre new and werent here for the summer of rage. The idea that they cold halt production on FiS stuff and do only WiS stuff was a big part of the rage. HGow many months was it they STOPPED FiS production and said "just wait this long..."
TEARS changed that progress.
THAT was the point of what I said.
Obviously you weren't here so I'll direct your attention to my post above this one. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
407
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 16:27:00 -
[4612] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Tristan North wrote:mkint wrote:hooray, yet another thread about how "I want EVE to die, so I can Barbie!"
edit: and depending on how you interpret the pacing of that interview, it could very easily be that Hilmar's intention is "I am working on FiS because players are making me. Once we've done that with a halfassed winter expansion, the summer is going to be an Apocrypha-sized WIS expansion." And gawd, I hope that's not true, but I have the horrible horrible feeling that it prove to be, and that it will be the final end of EVE. Hooray, yet another post about how "I want just play with colored squares!" Get out? Hooray! Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions. Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships. This. Every time I see WiS people crying about their side game getting cancelled, I start hearing Charlie Sheen quotes. CCP deciding to work on WiS at this point is about as realistic as his claims. Look, I know you all arent gonna realize this, but Ill take another stab at it anyways. THE ONLY REASON WE FINALLY GOT WIS IS BECAUSE OF WoD. WoD got SHELVED WiS Got SHELVED Its NOT a gigantic logical leap here guys n gals. WiS was Beta for WoD. Check this out, I even have LINKS that support that claim http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspxQuote:Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced They felt there was a reason to REASSURE THE WoD ppl that the engine in Incarna WASNT what was gonna ship with THEIR MMO Now that WoD isnt coming out any time soon theyre not working on WiS. Hell they announced the "back burner"ing of both projects on the same day. They could have at least pretended there wasnt a connection but they didnt lol Now I get that a lot of this delusional WiS crowd hasnt been in EVE long as they "Just signed up for WiS", but CCP has a track record. When they stop work on a feature. They dont go back to it. See Faction Warfare and a slew of others. WiS will be worked on again when WoD is being worked on again, and not before.
I was here before you start the revisionist history...
and she wasnt wrong https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
561
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:35:00 -
[4613] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
if there was any power in tears then: no ganking no canflipping no wardecs no scamming no hulkageddon no gate bubbles no bans on some e-famous Goon
If there wasnt we'd be buying ships in the NeX store by now and the catchphrase for CCP would still be "watch what they do not wat they say" and there would be more WiS content and a LOT less players don,t think the WIS content would make EVE less populated The nex on the ohter hand will . So quit bashing WIS ideas and bash the real reason and thats the NEXfail were you HERE? Im assuming youre new and werent here for the summer of rage. The idea that they cold halt production on FiS stuff and do only WiS stuff was a big part of the rage. HGow many months was it they STOPPED FiS production and said "just wait this long..." TEARS changed that progress. THAT was the point of what I said.
just look at the age of this account dumb ****** pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1652
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 16:36:00 -
[4614] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:
Eve is a game about spaceships & explosions.
Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships.
This. Every time I see WiS people crying about their side game getting cancelled, I start hearing Charlie Sheen quotes. CCP deciding to work on WiS at this point is about as realistic as his claims. Look, I know you all arent gonna realize this, but Ill take another stab at it anyways. THE ONLY REASON WE FINALLY GOT WIS IS BECAUSE OF WoD. WoD got SHELVED WiS Got SHELVED Its NOT a gigantic logical leap here guys n gals. WiS was Beta for WoD. Check this out, I even have LINKS that support that claim http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspxQuote:Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced They felt there was a reason to REASSURE THE WoD ppl that the engine in Incarna WASNT what was gonna ship with THEIR MMO Now that WoD isnt coming out any time soon theyre not working on WiS. Hell they announced the "back burner"ing of both projects on the same day. They could have at least pretended there wasnt a connection but they didnt lol Now I get that a lot of this delusional WiS crowd hasnt been in EVE long as they "Just signed up for WiS", but CCP has a track record. When they stop work on a feature. They dont go back to it. See Faction Warfare and a slew of others. WiS will be worked on again when WoD is being worked on again, and not before. I was here before you start the revisionist history... and she wasnt wrong
I already posted a rebuttal in this thread regarding that link.
That's not an Official CCP site nor is it an Official CCP statement.
That whole blog is nothing more than biased conjecture based on hearsay. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
407
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 16:45:00 -
[4615] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I already posted a rebuttal in this thread regarding that link.
That's not an Official CCP site nor is it an Official CCP statement.
That whole blog is nothing more than biased conjecture based on hearsay.
denial... not just a river in Egypt...
and the reason I quoted it wasnt for the post but the age of the post (IE I was there when it was happening and your BS revisionist history doesnt work) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
561
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 16:49:00 -
[4616] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I already posted a rebuttal in this thread regarding that link.
That's not an Official CCP site nor is it an Official CCP statement.
That whole blog is nothing more than biased conjecture based on hearsay.
denial... not just a river in Egypt... and the reason I quoted it wasnt for the post but the age of the post (IE I was there when it was happening and your BS revisionist history doesnt work)
and what is your history ? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1654
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 17:02:00 -
[4617] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I already posted a rebuttal in this thread regarding that link.
That's not an Official CCP site nor is it an Official CCP statement.
That whole blog is nothing more than biased conjecture based on hearsay.
denial... not just a river in Egypt... and the reason I quoted it wasnt for the post but the age of the post (IE I was there when it was happening and your BS revisionist history doesnt work) BS revisionist history? You were there? So what? WTF are you going off on?
I was there also and my character is twice as old as your character.
Point is your constant posting of BS lies and trolling in this thread doesn't negate the truth or the facts I posted pertaining to the 'Summer of Rage'.
If you wanna post links to something relevant, try posting Official CCP statements or links to forum threadnaughts proving your statement instead of relying on a 3rd party source that is purely conjecture.
Bottom line: You and her are still incorrect. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
408
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 17:24:00 -
[4618] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I already posted a rebuttal in this thread regarding that link.
That's not an Official CCP site nor is it an Official CCP statement.
That whole blog is nothing more than biased conjecture based on hearsay.
denial... not just a river in Egypt... and the reason I quoted it wasnt for the post but the age of the post (IE I was there when it was happening and your BS revisionist history doesnt work) BS revisionist history? You were there? So what? WTF are you going off on? I was there also and my character is twice as old as your character. Point is your constant posting of BS lies and trolling in this thread doesn't negate the truth or the facts I posted pertaining to the 'Summer of Rage'. If you wanna post links to something relevant, try posting Official CCP statements or links to forum threadnaughts proving your statement instead of relying on a 3rd party source that is purely conjecture. Bottom line: You and her are still incorrect.
you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1661
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:13:00 -
[4619] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was
There's nothing to deal with.
I already stated some players left due to no Ambulation content being implemented with the failed Incarna expansion.
I also presented lot's of other facts that contributed to the 'Summer Of Rage' yet some players choose to ignore them and cling to a fallacy that all players left simply due to WiS being implemented into the game. That's an incorrect statement and a common tactic used by a few very vocal players who basically are biased and discriminate towards anything that doesn't fit into their viewpoint on how this game should be structured.
By the way, if I was shouting my text WOULD BE LIKE THIS. |
Ai Shun
646
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:21:00 -
[4620] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote: you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
DMC wrote:I also presented lot's of other facts that contributed to the 'Summer Of Rage' yet some players choose to ignore them and cling to a fallacy that all players left simply due to WiS being implemented into the game
If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading? |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1661
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:11:00 -
[4621] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
DMC wrote:I also presented lot's of other facts that contributed to the 'Summer Of Rage' yet some players choose to ignore them and cling to a fallacy that all players left simply due to WiS being implemented into the game If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading? Once again you do selective quoting, misdirection and portray things out of context. Is it because you suffer from ADHD or are intentionally trying to derail this thread?
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Ai Shun
646
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:54:00 -
[4622] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
DMC wrote:I also presented lot's of other facts that contributed to the 'Summer Of Rage' yet some players choose to ignore them and cling to a fallacy that all players left simply due to WiS being implemented into the game If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading? Once again you do selective quoting, misdirection and portray things out of context. Is it because you suffer from ADHD or are intentionally trying to derail this thread?
Reported for off-topic and personal attacks - as you have been for the last few posts. Please keep this thread clean and about WiS instead of your personal vendettas, DMC. WiS is important to some of us. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
408
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 20:53:00 -
[4623] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
DMC wrote:I also presented lot's of other facts that contributed to the 'Summer Of Rage' yet some players choose to ignore them and cling to a fallacy that all players left simply due to WiS being implemented into the game If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading? Once again you do selective quoting, misdirection and portray things out of context. Is it because you suffer from ADHD or are intentionally trying to derail this thread? Reported for off-topic and personal attacks - as you have been for the last few posts. Please keep this thread clean and about WiS instead of your personal vendettas, DMC. WiS is important to some of us.
He's usually so good at reporting ppl but keeping his nose clean. sad
Ai Shun: If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading?
Ive noticed that too. We seem to be agreeing, unless theres a point I hadnt read where I said it was the ONLY reason ppl left? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Soritai
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:16:00 -
[4624] - Quote
Ah you lovable little forum junkies. I'm definitely not wading through 100's of pages of childish bickering (if the last 2 pages are any judge), so if this is a repeat question sorry...
From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
193
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:20:00 -
[4625] - Quote
Soritai wrote:Ah you lovable little forum junkies. I'm definitely not wading through 100's of pages of childish bickering (if the last 2 pages are any judge), so if this is a repeat question sorry...
From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely?
My Magic 8-Ball says no.
Edit: CCP probably just wants to come out with some actual meaningful content at the same time. |
Soritai
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:30:00 -
[4626] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Soritai wrote:Ah you lovable little forum junkies. I'm definitely not wading through 100's of pages of childish bickering (if the last 2 pages are any judge), so if this is a repeat question sorry...
From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely? My Magic 8-Ball says no. Edit: CCP probably just wants to come out with some actual meaningful content at the same time.
Well if ccp hasn't said definitively, this is a pretty reasonable response, thanks. |
FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:39:00 -
[4627] - Quote
I should think that if they want to make game-play content for the avatars, THEN it's a pretty simple matter to create some in-station RP spaces as well. They are primarily just environments. Things to do there would be nice, but just having the environments is key.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
356
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:01:00 -
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Given that there is pressure to remove local. CCP needs to ensure that players are still able to meet and socialise so they can form friendships and corporations.
A social space on stations would help provide this. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
408
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:18:00 -
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Soritai wrote:Ah you lovable little forum junkies. I'm definitely not wading through 100's of pages of childish bickering (if the last 2 pages are any judge)
They are btw
Lapine Davion wrote:Soritai wrote:Ah you lovable little forum junkies. I'm definitely not wading through 100's of pages of childish bickering (if the last 2 pages are any judge), so if this is a repeat question sorry...
From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely? My Magic 8-Ball says no. Edit: CCP probably just wants to come out with some actual meaningful content at the same time.
My magic 8 ball says theyre waiting for the negative press to die down first
Flamespar wrote:Given that there is pressure to remove local. CCP needs to ensure that players are still able to meet and socialise so they can form friendships and corporations.
A social space on stations would help provide this.
and/or make it so the rest of us can murder you in your stations :D https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Ai Shun
646
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:31:00 -
[4630] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ive noticed that too. We seem to be agreeing, unless theres a point I hadnt read where I said it was the ONLY reason ppl left?
I didn't see that either and scanned back through the posts to double check.
I did find your comments about World of Darkness and the development parallels interesting though. I'm a big fan of taking the entire team from World of Darkness and building a full, avatar based experience for EVE online that is not just restricted to capsuleers, but planetary environments, etc. as well. Basically taking that team and instead of developing World of Darkness, building a new game focussed on the EVE Universe.
Has a lot of potential, I think and the resources as well. I've been devoting some of my spare time to scoping it, but as with most pet projects it's the type of thing that doesn't see much time when I could be playing EVE / Age of Conan / whatever or being out and having fun.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
409
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:00:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ive noticed that too. We seem to be agreeing, unless theres a point I hadnt read where I said it was the ONLY reason ppl left? I didn't see that either and scanned back through the posts to double check. I did find your comments about World of Darkness and the development parallels interesting though. I'm a big fan of taking the entire team from World of Darkness and building a full, avatar based experience for EVE online that is not just restricted to capsuleers, but planetary environments, etc. as well. Basically taking that team and instead of developing World of Darkness, building a new game focussed on the EVE Universe. Has a lot of potential, I think and the resources as well. I've been devoting some of my spare time to scoping it, but as with most pet projects it's the type of thing that doesn't see much time when I could be playing EVE / Age of Conan / whatever or being out and having fun.
Yeah it would be cool. I just thought that the parrallel between when WiS was put on hold (As per the dev blog and what CCP said) and at the exact same time WoD was put on hold and/or given a skeleton crew (at the time as they werent playing up as big a team as theyre saying are working on it now thats for sure) was THAT hard to see, then I see that page where they say its a prototype (yeah its not an official CCP site but guess who it was that told THEM the info THEY had), and its not hard to put two an two together here if youre willing to see it https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Ai Shun
646
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:47:00 -
[4632] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Yeah it would be cool. I just thought that the parrallel between when WiS was put on hold (As per the dev blog and what CCP said) and at the exact same time WoD was put on hold and/or given a skeleton crew (at the time as they werent playing up as big a team as theyre saying are working on it now thats for sure) was THAT hard to see, then I see that page where they say its a prototype (yeah its not an official CCP site but guess who it was that told THEM the info THEY had), and its not hard to put two an two together here if youre willing to see it
Yarly. Keep in mind though that there was a lot of resentment built up from FiS and the legacy problems, then the whole gold ammo / microtransaction fiasco that broke the Drake's back. I'm not surprised CCP re-allocated a number of resources to focus on their core product and that they pulled them from everywhere.
Now though, with a core of EVE development focussed on EVE FiS, a whole dev studio for Dust 514, I'd love it if they'd re-allocate World of Darkness to WiS as a new game. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
409
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:00:00 -
[4633] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Yeah it would be cool. I just thought that the parrallel between when WiS was put on hold (As per the dev blog and what CCP said) and at the exact same time WoD was put on hold and/or given a skeleton crew (at the time as they werent playing up as big a team as theyre saying are working on it now thats for sure) was THAT hard to see, then I see that page where they say its a prototype (yeah its not an official CCP site but guess who it was that told THEM the info THEY had), and its not hard to put two an two together here if youre willing to see it Yarly. Keep in mind though that there was a lot of resentment built up from FiS and the legacy problems, then the whole gold ammo / microtransaction fiasco that broke the Drake's back. I'm not surprised CCP re-allocated a number of resources to focus on their core product and that they pulled them from everywhere. Now though, with a core of EVE development focussed on EVE FiS, a whole dev studio for Dust 514, I'd love it if they'd re-allocate World of Darkness to WiS as a new game.
Well yeah especially given the MT based WoD they weer gonna create would cause SO MUCH more rage. Imagine a MMO whre to get more abilities you had to pay irl money... IF of course the WoD part of Greed is good wasnt meant as a joke (I hope it was).
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.16 05:47:00 -
[4634] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:I'm a big fan of taking the entire team from World of Darkness and building a full, avatar based experience for EVE online that is not just restricted to capsuleers, but planetary environments, etc. as well. Basically taking that team and instead of developing World of Darkness, building a new game focussed on the EVE Universe.
I would LOVE to see something that takes you into the various colonies on planets and particularly the major city environments (which I imagine would be quite different from one race to another), where they could build on some of the stories you might find in the Chronicles.
Some futuristic, Blade Runner type (as one example) story driven game play, something with a lot of depth and character development, would be great.
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Ai Shun
647
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Posted - 2012.04.16 06:42:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:I would LOVE to see something that takes you into the various colonies on planets and particularly the major city environments (which I imagine would be quite different from one race to another), where they could build on some of the stories you might find in the Chronicles.
Exactly. I strongly, strongly believe they need to make WiS a separate game. That way they can fund it separately, have a separate development team and it won't cause any problems with EVE / FiS being left behind. It would allow WiS to stand on its own and if they allow us to use our capsuleer characters, with some cross-over skills, in the new Avatar based game it would be awesome. It needs to be able to interface with EVE pilots; but think of the Dust concepts ...
There is so much scope and potential.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1672
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:33:00 -
[4636] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
DMC wrote:I also presented lot's of other facts that contributed to the 'Summer Of Rage' yet some players choose to ignore them and cling to a fallacy that all players left simply due to WiS being implemented into the game If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading? Once again you do selective quoting, misdirection and portray things out of context. Is it because you suffer from ADHD or are intentionally trying to derail this thread? Reported for off-topic and personal attacks - as you have been for the last few posts. Please keep this thread clean and about WiS instead of your personal vendettas, DMC. WiS is important to some of us.
Hahaha, talk about personal vendettas. I must admit I had a really good laugh when I read your reply, especially with you continuing to do the same exact thing you accuse me of doing. But hey, if you wanna start reporting every little thing, that's fine by me. Just remember it's a two way street and I have no problem traveling down that road with you.
FYI - Issler Dainze created this thread asking for all pro-WiS players to post their support. Going by that then everyone who posts a negative reply about WiS in this thread is off topic and trying to derail this thread. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
591
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:01:00 -
[4637] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.
The very Idea of WiS has been introduced in EVE by CCP since 2005-2006 and has been a concept from earlier. It has always been part of the future of eve. That is a fact and can be verified by many forums threads and videos of CCP themselves since they launched the game.
I left after being a good customer of CCP's since the launch of the game not because I didn't want WiS but because I didn't want an eve that was based on crappy principles, aurum, nex and fail-cascade hubris filled nonsense buzzwords like "fearless". I returned because CCP understood they should first fix a game, introduce new elements and flesh out their world while doing upkeep of the existing gameplay elements.
I look forward in running around in the new improved POS that will have WiS "easily" implemented thanks to its modular one piece construction and scavenging stuff in abandoned stations while ships await my return. I want everything that was promised in the eve forever and eve future vision trailers. I don't want a part of that vision I want the whole pie, but I want it in a sustained, correct, feasible and technically well introduced manner with gameplay, rewards, death and glory. (and explosions).
- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Ai Shun
647
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:06:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.
Qualified by saying: "for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't)
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FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:28:00 -
[4639] - Quote
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:I would LOVE to see something that takes you into the various colonies on planets and particularly the major city environments (which I imagine would be quite different from one race to another), where they could build on some of the stories you might find in the Chronicles.
Some futuristic, Blade Runner type (as one example) story driven game play, something with a lot of depth and character development, would be great.
Was the above quoted post I made deleted!
It appears to have been, and I'm probably violating the forum rules for reposting it, BUT I very much would like to know what exactly was wrong with it, that it got deleted, so I can be sure not to do it again. So.... someone please let me know before this post gets deleted. Sorry I'm a newb here, maybe mentioning Blade Runner starts flame wars or something.
(P.S. The original post included a quote from Ai Shun, that also didn't seem out of place under most forum rules I'm familiar with, but is also gone).
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Ai Shun
648
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:10:00 -
[4640] - Quote
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
(P.S. The original post included a quote from Ai Shun, that also didn't seem out of place under most forum rules I'm familiar with, but is also gone).
I have no idea. After all, we were discussing WiS, the options on a full game by itself with Avatar gameplay on colonies and not engaging in personal attacks. It seemed completely on-topic to me. I suspect there was a bit of malicious post reporting going on from the usual suspect.
Edit: Here is your original post. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1678
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:25:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was. Qualified by saying: " for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't) The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives. Constantly attacking and blaming WiS for the failed Incarna expansion and trying to associate WiS with neglecting FiS content denotes a biased opinion due to lack of information. |
Ai Shun
648
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:46:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was. Qualified by saying: " for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't) The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives. Constantly attacking and blaming WiS for the failed Incarna expansion and trying to associate WiS with neglecting FiS content denotes a biased opinion due to lack of information.
I am not attacking WiS or blaming it. I understand concepts like "visible scapegoat" and "event if it wasn't" are difficult to understand. Please send me an EVE Mail if you would like them explained; I'm happy to take the time to do so.
Unless of course you are just deliberately mispresenting what I said because you are still upset over the time I called you on your lie that "most players wants WiS". In which case - carry on. I can't really help you feel better about that.
And no, you cannot rely on the forum as a source of information. All the players in-game do not post on the forums. That is a self-selecting sample and is certainly unreliable information. |
Avila Cracko
340
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:55:00 -
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WOW...
2 posts before this mine, DeMichael Crimsons post is 4354. post in this thread (#4354Posted: 2012.04.16 22:25) and that same post on Chribbas eve-search is 4642. post (Posted - 2012.04.16 22:25:00 - [4642] - Quote) Around 300 posts deleted from this thread. Thats like 7% of posts in this thread is deleted... truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.16 23:07:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
(P.S. The original post included a quote from Ai Shun, that also didn't seem out of place under most forum rules I'm familiar with, but is also gone).
I have no idea. After all, we were discussing WiS, the options on a full game by itself with Avatar gameplay on colonies and not engaging in personal attacks. It seemed completely on-topic to me. I suspect there was a bit of malicious post reporting going on from the usual suspect. Edit: Here is your original post.
Ah, the usual suspect. I'm new so I don't know who that is. But he (or she) is not making a very good first impression.
Anyhow... does that site you linked archive posts to these forums? If so, cool! Glad someone out there is keeping an accurate record.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1678
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:04:00 -
[4645] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was. Qualified by saying: " for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't) The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives. Constantly attacking and blaming WiS for the failed Incarna expansion and trying to associate WiS with neglecting FiS content denotes a biased opinion due to lack of information. I am not attacking WiS or blaming it. I understand concepts like " visible scapegoat" and " event if it wasn't" are difficult to understand. Please send me an EVE Mail if you would like them explained; I'm happy to take the time to do so. Unless of course you are just deliberately mispresenting what I said because you are still upset over the time I called you on your lie that " most players wants WiS". In which case - carry on. I can't really help you feel better about that. And no, you cannot rely on the forum as a source of information. All the players in-game do not post on the forums. That is a self-selecting sample and is certainly unreliable information. Wow, more personal attacks? I'm not even going to get into how your previous statements contradict this latest statement from you.
FYI - My statement = majority of players wanted the WiS that was previewed in Ambulation, not the WiS that was implemented in Incarna.
Please post proof that my statement is a lie.
As for you stating the forums isn't a source of information. You really need to check yourself. CCP has stated in this and other threads they view the forums as a source of information. |
Ai Shun
648
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:26:00 -
[4646] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was. Qualified by saying: " for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't) The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives. Constantly attacking and blaming WiS for the failed Incarna expansion and trying to associate WiS with neglecting FiS content denotes a biased opinion due to lack of information. I am not attacking WiS or blaming it. I understand concepts like " visible scapegoat" and " event if it wasn't" are difficult to understand. Please send me an EVE Mail if you would like them explained; I'm happy to take the time to do so. Unless of course you are just deliberately mispresenting what I said because you are still upset over the time I called you on your lie that " most players wants WiS". In which case - carry on. I can't really help you feel better about that. And no, you cannot rely on the forum as a source of information. All the players in-game do not post on the forums. That is a self-selecting sample and is certainly unreliable information. Wow, more personal attacks? I'm not even going to get into how your previous statements contradict this latest statement from you. FYI - My statement = majority of players wanted the WiS that was previewed in Ambulation, not the WiS that was implemented in Incarna. Please post proof that my statement is a lie. As for you stating the forums isn't a source of information. You really need to check yourself. CCP has stated in this and other threads they view the forums as a source of information.
If you want to persist in dragging this off-topic.
(a) Not all the players post on the forums. Yes or No? (b) Can you tell me how many post on the forums out of the total population? (c) Can you claim a majority, based off a forum thread, from that?
The answer to all three is no. Not all the players post on the forums. You can't tell there is a majority, thus claiming a majority from a forum thread is patently false. Spin whichever way you want; but you do a disservice to WiS by keeping on with those types of lies.
I am asking you politely, stop lying about WiS. You are harming a product a number of us want for EVE Online. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:52:00 -
[4647] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:
you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.
AGAIN, quote the post where he said WiS was the
ONLY
reason ppl left the game. I seperated that out cause ppl are having a hard time with it
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
416
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:57:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was. Qualified by saying: " for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't) The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives.
Please go back and review my posts. Youre agruing a point I WASNT making
Since this is SO DAMN HARD Ill repost it
Quote:WiS was part of why ppl; left the game.
associating WiS with the lack of work on FiS...
So in your world view what WERE they doing during that time? What do YOU blame for that lack of development?
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
FYI - My statement = majority of players wanted the WiS that was previewed in Ambulation, not the WiS that was implemented in Incarna.
Hey look, we DO agree on something https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:04:00 -
[4649] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:WOW... 2 posts before this mine, DeMichael Crimsons post is 4354. post in this thread (#4354Posted: 2012.04.16 22:25) and that same post on Chribbas eve-search is 4642. post (Posted - 2012.04.16 22:25:00 - [4642] - Quote) Around 300 posts deleted from this thread. Thats like 7% of posts in this thread is deleted...
Wonder how many will be before they lock the thread? Demichael and the girl he's fighting with are pretty much just punctuating their personal attacks with WiS here and there to make it look like they're on topic now
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Ai Shun
648
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:15:00 -
[4650] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:AGAIN, quote the post where he said WiS was the
ONLY
reason ppl left the game. I seperated that out cause ppl are having a hard time with it
True.
I strongly suspect that WiS is getting the blame for a lot of it in the hearts / minds of players though. Not because it was at fault; but because it was the fail-feature half delivered at the time. It was the one aspect of NeX and micro-transactions that was visible. It was the elephant in the living room that did just about nothing except melt video cards for poorly performing systems and it has a strong association with other reasons for failure that just became visible because of it.
I hope CCP can find a way around that initial impression, because if you look at some of the concept avatars that are created (See www.eveportraits.com) there is some amazing scope from a character creation aspect. It has a lot of potential. |
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drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:21:00 -
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We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties |
Ai Shun
648
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:32:00 -
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drdxie wrote:We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties
^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay.
There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1678
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:51:00 -
[4653] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote: If you want to persist in dragging this off-topic.
(a) Not all the players post on the forums. Yes or No? (b) Can you tell me how many post on the forums out of the total population? (c) Can you claim a majority, based off a forum thread, from that?
The answer to all three is no. Not all the players post on the forums. You can't tell there is a majority, thus claiming a majority from a forum thread is patently false. Spin whichever way you want; but you do a disservice to WiS by keeping on with those types of lies.
I am asking you politely, stop lying about WiS. You are harming a product a number of us want for EVE Online.
The only one doing a disservice to WiS and this thread is you. Posting unfounded accusations about me saying I'm posting lies about WiS with the intention to harm it is simply you trying to redirect attention, all the while continuing this flame war, derailing this thread with more personal attacks on me - twisting and portraying everything out of context.
A) CCP has stated in various threads they view the forums as a source of information. B) The forum community represents a percentage of the eve online player base. C) Based on the overall attitude of the majority of players posting in a specific thread title, the general attitude of the player base can be ascertained.
Pertaining to the issue - I posted and linked 2 different threads showing the majority of players posting in those threads were in support of WiS Ambulation. As such it was a good indication of the overall general viewpoint of the player base at that time. Notice I said WiS Ambulation, not WiS Incarna.
Everyone who follows this thread knows that I am an avid advocator for the implementation of WiS as a integral part of this game, Eve Online; not some byproduct to be released as another game that only relates to Eve, as you have expressed.
Now I'm telling you to stop spreading lies about me, my intentions or my viewpoints pertaining to WiS. This new redirection ploy of yours with misinformation and false accusations won't work and needs to stop now. Continuing to post such blatant falsehoods will only force escalation.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:08:00 -
[4654] - Quote
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:FoxFire Ayderan wrote:I would LOVE to see something that takes you into the various colonies on planets and particularly the major city environments (which I imagine would be quite different from one race to another), where they could build on some of the stories you might find in the Chronicles.
Some futuristic, Blade Runner type (as one example) story driven game play, something with a lot of depth and character development, would be great.
Was the above quoted post I made deleted! It appears to have been, and I'm probably violating the forum rules for reposting it, BUT I very much would like to know what exactly was wrong with it, that it got deleted, so I can be sure not to do it again. So.... someone please let me know before this post gets deleted. Sorry I'm a newb here, maybe mentioning Blade Runner starts flame wars or something. (P.S. The original post included a quote from Ai Shun, that also didn't seem out of place under most forum rules I'm familiar with, but is also gone).
I think the initials are D theres a C in there and a M
up to you to put em right
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Ai Shun
650
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:10:00 -
[4655] - Quote
DMC, you persist in taking this thread off-line. Please take it to EVE Mail. You do not attack only me, but other posters in this thread that do not match your viewpoint. You continuously take it off-topic. Please stop doing that! WiS is an important issue for me and many others.
Edit: Either way, I will block your misinformation and personal attacks. No need to read that garbage. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:15:00 -
[4656] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: C) Based on the overall attitude of the majority of players posting in a specific thread title, the general attitude of the [people posting in this thread] can be ascertained.
fixed that
also, the people on the forums is a small % of the ppl in the game yes? the ppl in this thread are only a % of the ppl that even post on the forums yes? Or are you trying to tell us EVERYONE that posts on the forums is currently posting in this thread? Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
777
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:20:00 -
[4657] - Quote
DeMichael Cartman wrote:
Now I'm telling you to stop spreading lies about me, my intentions or my viewpoints pertaining to WiS. This new redirection ploy of yours with misinformation and false accusations won't work and needs to stop now. Continuing to post such blatant falsehoods will only force escalation.
Look out people! Cartman is about to "force escalation"!
Do we need to link-up the thread where you melted down and started hurling insults when you got called out for making a sweeping generalization and were simply asked (politely) to back it up with factual evidence? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ai Shun
650
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:24:00 -
[4658] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: C) Based on the overall attitude of the majority of players posting in a specific thread title, the general attitude of the [people posting in this thread] can be ascertained.
fixed that also, the people on the forums is a small % of the ppl in the game yes? the ppl in this thread are only a % of the ppl that even post on the forums yes? Or are you trying to tell us EVERYONE that posts on the forums is currently posting in this thread?
Statistically you can use a sample from a population. But when the sample is self-selecting, not just once but twice over, you are basically dealing with a polluted base set of data. You've lost the element of probability when the sample has an inherent bias.
It would be the equivalent of surveying at the NRA annual conference about gun-control and saying: "Well, the majority of people are in favour of carrying multiple guns! We checked these numbers and they definitely support it!"
It is a ludicrous example, but that is why any self-selecting, biased sample across a forum population should be treated with caution and why one should not make claims like has been made before.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:41:00 -
[4659] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Cartman wrote:
Now I'm telling you to stop spreading lies about me, my intentions or my viewpoints pertaining to WiS. This new redirection ploy of yours with misinformation and false accusations won't work and needs to stop now. Continuing to post such blatant falsehoods will only force escalation.
Look out people! Cartman is about to "force escalation"! Do we need to link-up the thread where you melted down and started hurling insults when you got called out for making a sweeping generalization and were simply asked (politely) to back it up with factual evidence?
yes please!!
DO WANT Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
197
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:48:00 -
[4660] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Cartman wrote:
Now I'm telling you to stop spreading lies about me, my intentions or my viewpoints pertaining to WiS. This new redirection ploy of yours with misinformation and false accusations won't work and needs to stop now. Continuing to post such blatant falsehoods will only force escalation.
Look out people! Cartman is about to "force escalation"! Do we need to link-up the thread where you melted down and started hurling insults when you got called out for making a sweeping generalization and were simply asked (politely) to back it up with factual evidence?
I, too, would like to see this. Who wants to take a bet on who the sweeping generalization was about?
Also, what the christ is "forced escalation"? Is it sexy? |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
779
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Posted - 2012.04.17 03:17:00 -
[4661] - Quote
A few highlights:
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15
DeMichael Cartman wrote:
lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts.
The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#30
Doc Fury wrote: Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS.
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#53
Ai Shun wrote: Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims.
DeMichael Cartman wrote:http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#38Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#41Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you. Obviously you and others like you are so blinded by ignorance that you can't even accept the actual truth when it's presented. Feel free to look over the events and multiple forum threads during the summer of 2011, then STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/3#62Heh, don't know what country the two of you live in but according to the 'Free' world country's, a person is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the burden of proof falls on you to prove I am making false statements. Anyway, you definitely excel at posting a bunch of 'Nada' while beating your chests and stomping your feet.. so no more soup for you. Hope you choke on it since the two of you are incapable of doing a little bit of research.
This, folks is why I will always read DMC's posts in Cartman's voice. There's more of the same if you go read this very thread over on EVE Search, there's a good reason so many DMC posts have been removed from this thread.
I am guessing "forced escalation" means he's going to report these posts to CCP (mommy) just like he does whenever other players don't agree with him or point out when he makes stuff up (lies) to suit his position. Can't wait to see how he spins this again, it's always entertaining.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
198
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Posted - 2012.04.17 03:19:00 -
[4662] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:A few highlights: http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15DeMichael Cartman wrote:
lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts.
The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#30Doc Fury wrote: Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS.
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#53Ai Shun wrote: Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims.
DeMichael Cartman wrote:http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#38Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#41Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you. Obviously you and others like you are so blinded by ignorance that you can't even accept the actual truth when it's presented. Feel free to look over the events and multiple forum threads during the summer of 2011, then STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/3#62Heh, don't know what country the two of you live in but according to the 'Free' world country's, a person is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the burden of proof falls on you to prove I am making false statements. Anyway, you definitely excel at posting a bunch of 'Nada' while beating your chests and stomping your feet.. so no more soup for you. Hope you choke on it since the two of you are incapable of doing a little bit of research. This, folks is why I will always read DMC's posts in Cartman's voice. There's more of the same if you go read this very thread over on EVE Search, there's a good reason so many DMC posts have been removed from this thread. I am guessing "forced escalation" means he's going to report these posts to CCP (mommy) just like he does whenever other players don't agree with him or point out when he makes stuff up (lies) to suit his position. Can't wait to see how he spins this again, it's always entertaining.
I've noticed that DMC does make lots of sweeping generalizations. And he does seem to get all huffy when people call him out on them. But then, that is hardly anything new on the EVE Online Forums. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1678
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Posted - 2012.04.17 03:45:00 -
[4663] - Quote
Ahh, looks like the Trolls are out in force trying to prove what exactly? That all their hard work at derailing this thread and trying to get it locked will soon be destroyed.
Thank you Doc (Pee Wee) Fury for linking that thread. Now players can view the whole thread instead of just the selective quotes you have posted. Whenever I view any of your posted replies, I see someone who is suffering from a Pee Wee Herman mentality.
Oh, by the way, you're still a troll which is all that thread you linked proves. I provided proof which backed up my statement and you still can't link anything to disprove that statement. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
779
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:00:00 -
[4664] - Quote
DeMichael Cartman wrote: I see someone who is suffering from a Pee Wee Herman mentality.
I did a GIS for "Pee Wee Herman mentality" but didn't get any hits. I guess that condition must only exist in your mind.
DeMichael Cartman wrote: Oh, by the way, you're still a troll which is all that thread you linked proves. I provided proof which backed up my statement and you still can't link anything to disprove that statement.
If it is trolling to ask you to prove what you declare is factual while you chide others for "posting incorrect statements without checking the facts", then I am guilty as charged. The "proof" you provided is a thread from 2006 where maybe 100-200 unique players voiced opinions one way or another about ambulation, it does not contain any relevant statistical information or corroboration by CCP that a "majority of players want WIS". FYI, the forums represent probably less than 10% of the total number of players and that is being generous, so using the forums to gauge the desires of EVE's entire player-base is entirely disingenuous .
If you can produce tangible and verifiable evidence to back up your assertions, I and others would still like to see it instead of your tiresome "no you" retorts.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
416
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:04:00 -
[4665] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:
I've noticed that DMC does make lots of sweeping generalizations. And he does seem to get all huffy when people call him out on them. But then, that is hardly anything new on the EVE Online Forums.
and bang the report post button like its his---
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Ai Shun
650
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:11:00 -
[4666] - Quote
Guys, more focus on WiS - less on DMC please |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:21:00 -
[4667] - Quote
oh god spare us please don't escalate.
Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:24:00 -
[4668] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Guys, more focus on WiS - less on DMC please
But he's more fun to talk about
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Flamespar
Woof Club
356
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Posted - 2012.04.17 05:01:00 -
[4669] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:oh god spare us please don't escalate.
Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.
It's probably worth mentioning that there is nothing in the NeX store that you can't buy with ISK. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Kaeoz
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.04.17 05:30:00 -
[4670] - Quote
Wut I see - 7 no like wis people post attack on 1 like wis people in a wis like thread. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1678
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Posted - 2012.04.17 07:19:00 -
[4671] - Quote
Doc (PeeWee) Fury wrote: If it is trolling to ask you to prove what you declare is factual while you chide others for "posting incorrect statements without checking the facts", then I am guilty as charged. The "proof" you provided is a thread from 2006 where maybe 100-200 unique players voiced opinions one way or another about ambulation, it does not contain any relevant statistical information or corroboration by CCP that a "majority of players want WIS".
Oh still twisting things around to justify your actions.
Two different threads were linked, one from 2006 and another from 2011 posted just before the Incarna expansion. If you had bothered to read those threads instead of spouting more crap you'd see the overwhelming majority of players posting in those threads are in support of WiS Ambulation. This thread also corroborates the opinions voiced in those threads. Players wanted WiS Ambulation, not WiS Incarna. I never once said it was a statement from CCP but please keep posting more of your troll lies.
Doc (PeeWee) Fury wrote:FYI, the forums represent probably less than 10% of the total number of players and that is being generous, so using the forums to gauge or make claims about the desires of EVE's entire player-base is entirely disingenuous . If you can produce tangible and verifiable evidence to back up your assertions, I and others would still like to see it instead of your tiresome "no you" retorts.
Personally I don't care what the percentage amount is, it's a sample size that gives an estimation for a larger amount. Anyway, please file a petition to CCP explaining how using the forums to gauge or make claims about the desires of EVE's entire player-base is entirely disingenuous. While you're at it, be sure to include the CSM and FanFest opinions as well.
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Guys, more focus on WiS - less on DMC please But he's more fun to talk about
OMG, how sad and hopelessly desperate, creating a new alt is definitely fail, especially attempting to give credence to the troll attacks.
Character created = 2012.04.17 04:23
Character posted = 2012.04.17 04:24
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FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.17 07:28:00 -
[4672] - Quote
Wow. I never realized there was so much consternation over WiS.
*sigh* Well... I do hope that CCP continues with plans to put it in.
Maybe it could be an entirely separate game, but I would primarily like that if it was completely linked with EVE, and could be accessed seamlessly as if you're in the same game, including the chat channels, market, Corporations, etc...
Though I suspect that perhaps my vision of what WiS could be surpasses what is feasible.
In the meantime, social areas on the Stations would be nice to have. |
Ai Shun
650
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Posted - 2012.04.17 07:29:00 -
[4673] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Personally I don't care what the percentage amount is, it's a sample size that gives an estimation for a larger amount.
Opinions and extrapolating a sample to a population are different things. Please read up on a biased sample and how self-selection impacts the validity of a sample across a population. Forum responses are not part of a true, random sample. I will try to explain this in a way you would understand.
"Would you be able to survey the NRA in the United States on gun control laws and then apply that as representative of the entire world?"
In the same way, you cannot take a thread that only attracts people who post on the forums and have an interest in the topic as representative of the population of EVE Online. It is fundamentally flawed based off simple logic.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
478
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Posted - 2012.04.17 13:16:00 -
[4674] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:drdxie wrote:We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties ^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay. There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc.
Switch off CQ. Problem solved.
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.17 13:57:00 -
[4675] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:oh god spare us please don't escalate.
Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.
It's probably worth mentioning that there is nothing in the NeX store that you can't buy with ISK. well they can easily exclude nex-purchased starbase charters from the general isk-based market. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
563
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Posted - 2012.04.17 15:29:00 -
[4676] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:oh god spare us please don't escalate.
Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.
You are trolling right?
the Nex should never be in EVE The only thing the NEXfail could be useful for is maybe as a link between EVE and DUST
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:42:00 -
[4677] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:drdxie wrote:We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties ^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay. There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc. Switch off CQ. Problem solved.
I have but me being selfish would prefer CCP effort spent on other things rather than "Leisure suite Larry" type game play
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
482
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:14:00 -
[4678] - Quote
drdxie wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:drdxie wrote:We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties ^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay. There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc. Switch off CQ. Problem solved. I have but me being selfish would prefer CCP effort spent on other things rather than "Leisure suite Larry" type game play
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
264
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:53:00 -
[4679] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.
I have nothing against the NEX store in principle. When it was first released, i just felt that CCP had priced me out of a new feature buy charging the ammout they did and the whole thing felt like a huge waste anyway, as we had no public avatar areas to show off to other people
If WIS would had been delivered as promised I think both it and the NEX store would have been a success. I could see people willing to trade their plex for AUR so that they could enter the poker tournaments in Jita or gamble for prizes in a Somer blinks style interface in Dodixi... But this is not the case and will not be the case for some time to come, so the NEX store is essentially useless. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:55:00 -
[4680] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:drdxie wrote:We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties ^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay. There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc. Switch off CQ. Problem solved.
as long as I can do this WiS doesnt concern me
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:58:00 -
[4681] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:drdxie wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:drdxie wrote:We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties ^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay. There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc. Switch off CQ. Problem solved. I have but me being selfish would prefer CCP effort spent on other things rather than "Leisure suite Larry" type game play Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
ur stuff I can have?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
483
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:06:00 -
[4682] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
ur stuff I can have?
Of course don't, I may need it in the future if CCP does their homework. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Ai Shun
654
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:14:00 -
[4683] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:drdxie wrote:We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties ^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay. There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc. Switch off CQ. Problem solved.
So everyone that has no interest in a new game that will require a substantial amount of assets will be forced to download it, keep it updated and so forth?
Problem not solved.
How many days until your sub runs out? You said April last time. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
483
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:45:00 -
[4684] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Quote:Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. Yeah, except those are aspects of the core EVE game and has been since the game was released. If you didn't want a part of that, why did you even try playing EVE? Radically different gameplay should go into a different game. How many days until your sub runs out? You said April last time.
Abridged version: wanted to play X3 online, EVE was the nearest thing.
I didn't start playing EVE because i liked it, but because it was the only one. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 04:18:00 -
[4685] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Quote:Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. Yeah, except those are aspects of the core EVE game and has been since the game was released. If you didn't want a part of that, why did you even try playing EVE? Radically different gameplay should go into a different game. How many days until your sub runs out? You said April last time. Abridged version: wanted to play X3 online, EVE was the nearest thing. I didn't start playing EVE because i liked it, but because it was the only one.
took you three years? |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 04:50:00 -
[4686] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
ur stuff I can have? Of course don't, I may need it in the future if CCP does their homework.
you wont, they wont, gimme
Ai Shun wrote:
So everyone that has no interest in a new game that will require a substantial amount of assets will be forced to download it, keep it updated and so forth?
Problem not solved.
I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Ai Shun
655
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:42:00 -
[4687] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want.
Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players.
Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
483
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:42:00 -
[4688] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them
"I have nothing against green people, they're as much people as blue people. I just want them to have a green people land as it's better for them. Also this way we all, green and blue, will be happier instead of being forced to live together.
I just regret those die-hard greenists who came to this blue land and pretend to not be blue and force blue people to live along with green people"
You know, you're a cunning troll, but a troll nonetheless. Ignored. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 07:46:00 -
[4689] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
now that's trolling |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
264
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 09:41:00 -
[4690] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them
I think you should give up on the idea of WiS being a stand alone game. It would be amazing if CCP made a RPG like Mass Effect, Skyrim or Fallout set in the EVE universe but that would involve a massive time and money investment from CCP... Besides, i doubt CCP would be capable of creating an RPG that could compete with the examples listed above without buying up another company.
There are multiple ways CCP could develop and expand WiS, most of which have been discussed in this thread at length but it looks like CCP have completely lost convinced in their originally vision for WiS, made evident by the fact they are prototyping exploration content rather than station content. |
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Ai Shun
655
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Posted - 2012.04.18 10:09:00 -
[4691] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:I think you should give up on the idea of WiS being a stand alone game. It would be amazing if CCP made a RPG like Mass Effect, Skyrim or Fallout set in the EVE universe but that would involve a massive time and money investment from CCP... Besides, i doubt CCP would be capable of creating an RPG that could compete with the examples listed above without buying up another company.
I'm guessing this is why CCP is developing World of Darkness. Because as you say, they don't have the capacity to create a RPG and they don't have the time and money investment to do that ...
I'd prefer it if they took that team and had them develop a game in the EVE Universe. Different IP, different content, same engine, same team - familiar universe with a significant amount of lore and opportunity in it.
Then we'd have the trinity of avatar based gameplay, ship/space based gameplay, mercenary FPS. All we'd need then is a RTS to layer inbetween Dust / EVE and WiS / EVE and WiS / Dust and the EVE universe will cater for everyone. And tie them all together.
Don't you think that is a glorious vision for the future?
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
264
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:20:00 -
[4692] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:
Don't you think that is a glorious vision for the future?
I do but sadly, i don't thing that vision will be realized for quite some time.
I think the best way forward is to iterate on the existing content and keep it all on a single "shard". |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
485
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 12:41:00 -
[4693] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
now that's trolling
As a mater of fact, my accounts have been cancelled since november (my main) and after Crucible (this one). This one is runing on the remnant of a 6 month prepayment. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 12:48:00 -
[4694] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
now that's trolling As a mater of fact, my accounts have been cancelled since november (my main) and after Crucible (this one). This one is runing on the remnant of a 6 month prepayment. Really? why? sorry to hear that. |
bornaa
GRiD.
218
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:35:00 -
[4695] - Quote
I was thinking a little about all this DX11 thing in EVE and WiS.
I think that DX11 will be savior for WiS. DX11 have so much more optimizations in it and it will make WiS engine viable for use. Ok, minimal specs machines for EVE will go up (now its like 8 years old machine) but i don't see why to have 100% support for more then 4 years old machines... EVE could get DX11 in a year, year and a half and that would mean that you will need hardware from like 2008/9th for EVE.
And, its only logical that avatar engine is made for DX11 because i don't see that MMO that will be released in few years does not support DX11. Yea, I am talking about WoD. And maybe all this problems with WiS are here because of that. They tried engine that is made for DX11 push on DX9 machines and because of that remove some of optimizations. That Ain't Right |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:49:00 -
[4696] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them
thats what Im saying... as long as the damn opt out button stays in the UI I dont care what WiS ppl do
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them "I have nothing against green people, they're as much people as blue people. I just want them to have a green people land as it's better for them. Also this way we all, green and blue, will be happier instead of being forced to live together.
I just regret those die-hard greenists who came to this blue land and pretend to not be blue and force blue people to live along with green people"You know, you're a cunning troll, but a troll nonetheless. Ignored.
Yeaaaah cause WiS or no WiS is soooooo a racial thing... Plus, you ignore everyone that disagrees with you an youll soon be talking to yourself
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 17:54:00 -
[4697] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
now that's trolling As a mater of fact, my accounts have been cancelled since november (my main) and after Crucible (this one). This one is runing on the remnant of a 6 month prepayment.
so youll be gone soon. That "ignored" thing has gotta sting SOOOOO hard
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1698
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 18:47:00 -
[4698] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them "I have nothing against green people, they're as much people as blue people. I just want them to have a green people land as it's better for them. Also this way we all, green and blue, will be happier instead of being forced to live together.
I just regret those die-hard greenists who came to this blue land and pretend to not be blue and force blue people to live along with green people"You know, you're a cunning troll, but a troll nonetheless. Ignored. Exactly 100% true. Not to mention now using the 'Saintly Victim' card whenever called on it. Especially like the tactic of continued misdirection with selective quoting and bringing in alts to post agreement trying to give credence to their statements, mainly using the old strategy of overwhelming the opposition with a flood of multiple posted replies, basically shouting out and silencing any rebuttal which they do quite well.
Their agenda ever since the beginning of this thread has been to disrupt and or obstruct the implementation of WiS content into Eve Online. All kinds of reasons have been desperately used trying to achieve this goal. Due to realizing that CCP is committed to WiS content, the new ploy is to feign interest and support while advocating that it be considered and released as a completely different game thus fulfilling their initial objective: stop WiS content being implemented into Eve Online.
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Ai Shun
657
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Posted - 2012.04.18 19:20:00 -
[4699] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:I do but sadly, i don't thing that vision will be realized for quite some time.
I think the best way forward is to iterate on the existing content and keep it all on a single "shard".
/sigh. Probably not. But I see a lot of promise, a few small ideas - but nothing solid happening from CCP and this thread is now 216 or 218 pages (More if you lose the trolling responses like above)
If we could have a dedicate team - not a 4 or 5 man team - but a full project / game team we may get something awesome developed and before another 5 or 6 years have passed. No disrespect intended to Team Avatar, but you guys seem to be left mostly without plan, guidance or a big vision and you have a lot of other cool things you seem to be busy with as well.
I can't help but feel that a small exploration site, or a 10 person room is just going to be awesome for us - but a death knell in terms of the rest of the game's population.
DMC wrote:Exactly 100% true. Not to mention now using the 'Saintly Victim' card whenever called on it. Especially like the tactic of continued misdirection with selective quoting and bringing in alts to post agreement trying to give credence to their statements, mainly using the old strategy of overwhelming the opposition with a flood of multiple posted replies, basically shouting out and silencing any rebuttal which they do quite well.
Their agenda ever since the beginning of this thread has been to disrupt and or obstruct the implementation of WiS content into Eve Online. All kinds of reasons have been desperately used trying to achieve this goal. Due to realizing that CCP is committed to WiS content, the new ploy is to feign interest and support while advocating that it be considered and released as a completely different game thus fulfilling their initial objective: stop WiS content being implemented into Eve Online.
Unfortunately, replying to someone forces you to see the last 10 posts which includes this. Please stop with the personal attacks. I have asked you before and reported your posts; you may have noticed they were removed. The factual statements from myself and people like Doc Fury remained.
Again, please stay on the WiS topic and drop the personal attacks. There is no need for it here. If you feel like insulting me or making baseless accusations, please send me an EVE Mail. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
215
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Posted - 2012.04.18 19:40:00 -
[4700] - Quote
Historically speaking, there has been a very small minority of players who want absolutely no WiS content. More recently (post-incarna) a few more people are against it because they believe that after this one screw up CCP cannot do it right and so should stop trying.
It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content. Many just don't want to it end up being like Space Orgrimmar.
Edit: Also I would like to confirm that I am an Ai Shun alt. |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
824
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:11:00 -
[4701] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content.
Where did you obtain this information? I would like to review it assuming that CCP has released statistics supporting your statement.
Or is this just your impression or feeling?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
215
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 20:17:00 -
[4702] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content.
Where did you obtain this information? I would like to review it assuming that CCP has released statistics supporting your statement. Or is this just your impression or feeling based on reading player forum posts/threads?
It's a rough ballpark guesstimate. I would also go as far as to say that most players don't want the WiS portion of the game to take away attention from FiS.
Edit: I should have put a few "probably"s in that post. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1698
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 20:20:00 -
[4703] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:DMC wrote:Exactly 100% true. Not to mention now using the 'Saintly Victim' card whenever called on it. Especially like the tactic of continued misdirection with selective quoting and bringing in alts to post agreement trying to give credence to their statements, mainly using the old strategy of overwhelming the opposition with a flood of multiple posted replies, basically shouting out and silencing any rebuttal which they do quite well.
Their agenda ever since the beginning of this thread has been to disrupt and or obstruct the implementation of WiS content into Eve Online. All kinds of reasons have been desperately used trying to achieve this goal. Due to realizing that CCP is committed to WiS content, the new ploy is to feign interest and support while advocating that it be considered and released as a completely different game thus fulfilling their initial objective: stop WiS content being implemented into Eve Online. Unfortunately, replying to someone forces you to see the last 10 posts which includes this. Please stop with the personal attacks. I have asked you before and reported your posts; you may have noticed they were removed. The factual statements from myself and people like Doc Fury remained. Again, please stay on the WiS topic and drop the personal attacks. There is no need for it here. If you feel like insulting me or making baseless accusations, please send me an EVE Mail.
Using your 'Saintly Victim' routine while conducting your personal attack vendetta towards me is a very cunning ploy. Stop twisting everything out of context and making it personal.
My reply was on topic as I was agreeing with and elaborating on another players posted reply.
If you had me blocked, you wouldn't see my reply unless someone else quoted it. This wasn't a personal attack against you but you are damn sure trying to make it personal.
I noticed a lot of yours and other players posted replies were also removed as well. Since you're turning this into some sort of 'report' game with friends and alts, guess I need to step up. If you want to bring this in-game, no prob.
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Ai Shun
657
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:28:00 -
[4704] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Historically speaking, there has been a very small minority of players who want absolutely no WiS content. More recently (post-incarna) a few more people are against it because they believe that after this one screw up CCP cannot do it right and so should stop trying.
It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content. Many just don't want to it end up being like Space Orgrimmar.
Edit: Also I would like to confirm that I am an Ai Shun alt.
Ooo ooo! Can I be an Ai Shun alt too?
I've seen / heard players say "majority" before. I've seen / heard players say "minority" before. Not quite sure who has it right, although there are players that claim a self selecting, biased sample from a forum can be reliably extrapolated to a population - well - with at least a basic knowledge of statistical sampling I reject that as being the idiocy it is.
However, I am dead keen to see the truth.
I'd love it if CCP would actually release the numbers or even just do a public survey. It would allow us to put this to rest one way or the other and either get the support that WiS deserves from the player-base and the wider development community (In addition to the team it currently has) or to accept what will be a horrible thing.
I'm not hopeful though. The current resource allocation, grateful as I am for it, and the time devoted to the topic at fanfest makes me a little bit more pessimistic about what CCP's view is - irrespective of what the player view may be.
/sigh. Maybe I should just pull finger and get that proposal done, post it in Features and Ideas and hope it generates some excitement. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
0
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:22:00 -
[4705] - Quote
I know that there will be WIS in the EVE future. I have seen it in a "vision". |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
215
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 21:25:00 -
[4706] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Historically speaking, there has been a very small minority of players who want absolutely no WiS content. More recently (post-incarna) a few more people are against it because they believe that after this one screw up CCP cannot do it right and so should stop trying.
It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content. Many just don't want to it end up being like Space Orgrimmar.
Edit: Also I would like to confirm that I am an Ai Shun alt. Ooo ooo! Can I be an Ai Shun alt too? I've seen / heard players say "majority" before. I've seen / heard players say "minority" before. Not quite sure who has it right, although there are players that claim a self selecting, biased sample from a forum can be reliably extrapolated to a population - well - with at least a basic knowledge of statistical sampling I reject that as being the idiocy it is. However, I am dead keen to see the truth. I'd love it if CCP would actually release the numbers or even just do a public survey. It would allow us to put this to rest one way or the other and either get the support that WiS deserves from the player-base and the wider development community (In addition to the team it currently has) or to accept what will be a horrible thing. I'm not hopeful though. The current resource allocation, grateful as I am for it, and the time devoted to the topic at fanfest makes me a little bit more pessimistic about what CCP's view is - irrespective of what the player view may be. /sigh. Maybe I should just pull finger and get that proposal done, post it in Features and Ideas and hope it generates some excitement.
I'm pretty sure that WiS is in the future of our game. Whether people like it or not, it is going to happen. I think instead of people arguing about whether it needs to be made or not, people should argue about how awesome it should be. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
72
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:55:00 -
[4707] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:So everyone that has no interest in a new game that will require a substantial amount of assets will be forced to download it, keep it updated and so forth?
Problem not solved. Do you know how much content is in the client that I have never use? I'd be surprised if it was more than 50%. When you say substantial, is that more substantial than say Apocrypha? Can you point me to some hard facts?
Unless it is really substantial, I don't see a problem with people having to download and update stuff they don't like. That's how EVE is. You can't/won't use it all. |
Ai Shun
658
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 22:20:00 -
[4708] - Quote
Che Biko wrote:Ai Shun wrote:So everyone that has no interest in a new game that will require a substantial amount of assets will be forced to download it, keep it updated and so forth?
Problem not solved. Do you know how much content is in the client that I have never use? I'd be surprised if it was more than 50%. When you say substantial, is that more substantial than say Apocrypha? Can you point me to some hard facts? Unless it is really substantial, I don't see a problem with people having to download and update stuff they don't like. That's how EVE is. You can't/won't use it all.
I take the point.
But I see the two as different games conceptually. The content you point at is part of the FiS portion of EVE and is a part of that game - irrespective of what you choose to engage in within that.
For a full, ambulation and avatar based game I would expect the content to be massive. It would have to be if it succeeds in the vision that we have for it - it could end up being the size of a typical MMO installation on top of the EVE content. (Think of Age of Conan which is how big?) It is also a substantial divergence from the core EVE FiS gameplay. (Desirable, but very different)
It would seem fairer to me if the players who only wanted FiS game as per original, vanilla EVE was not forced to download all the assets, models, textures, etc. required for the ambulation game.
Taking it a step further. If they ported Dust 514 to the PC; would we want to force everyone to download and keep that updated even if they did not play it? I see EVE Ambulation / WiS as similar in scope and would expect it to be handled similarly in execution.
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
72
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Posted - 2012.04.18 22:40:00 -
[4709] - Quote
Indeed, it might become a problem when it approaches that size, but I don't think that even the 2008 version/vision of WiS would come close to being a separate game, at least not one I would be willing to pay extra for.
But ideally, the whole universe will be Free-to-Play and modular by the time this becomes an issue.
Also, I would like to replace your FiS for sandbox, because EVE is a more than just FiS for me. That way I would be able to say that WiS is just another color of sand and not a divergence from the core gameplay. |
Ai Shun
659
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Posted - 2012.04.18 22:46:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Indeed, it might become a problem when it approaches that size, but I don't think that even the 2008 version/vision of WiS would come close to being a separate game, at least not one I would be willing to pay extra for.
I guess we have different ideas for what WiS / ambulation should be as an end-product. I'm not after a simple tack-on; I want a rich and compelling gameplay experience with a full avatar based game. No harm in that though
Che Biko wrote:But ideally, the whole universe will be Free-to-Play and modular by the time this becomes an issue.
Heh!
Che Biko wrote:Also, I would like to replace your FiS for sandbox, because EVE is a more than just FiS for me. That way I would be able to say that WiS is just another color of sand and not a divergence from the core gameplay.
Eventually I hope that EVE Universe will be the full sandbox with multiple games all playing in it. But I don't see the harm in having separate games to deliver a rich experience within that sandbox, specialised for the core gameplay they focus on. |
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.04.19 02:12:00 -
[4711] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them "I have nothing against green people, they're as much people as blue people. I just want them to have a green people land as it's better for them. Also this way we all, green and blue, will be happier instead of being forced to live together.
I just regret those die-hard greenists who came to this blue land and pretend to not be blue and force blue people to live along with green people"You know, you're a cunning troll, but a troll nonetheless. Ignored. Exactly 100% true. Not to mention now using the 'Saintly Victim' card whenever called on it. Especially like the tactic of continued misdirection with selective quoting and bringing in alts to post agreement trying to give credence to their statements, mainly using the old strategy of overwhelming the opposition with a flood of multiple posted replies, basically shouting out and silencing any rebuttal which they do quite well. Their agenda ever since the beginning of this thread has been to disrupt and or obstruct the implementation of WiS content into Eve Online. All kinds of reasons have been desperately used trying to achieve this goal. Due to realizing that CCP is committed to WiS content, the new ploy is to feign interest and support while advocating that it be considered and released as a completely different game thus fulfilling their initial objective: stop WiS content being implemented into Eve Online.
This is a huge conspiracy that goes straight to the top.
The agenda of this thread has been to disrupt and or obstruct the CCP's renewed focus on FiS content for Eve Online. All kinds of reasons and horrific gameplay suggestions have been desperately used in trying to achieve this goal. Due to realizing that CCP is committed to the core FiS content, the new ploy is to feign interest and support while advocating that WiS development would not take any resources away from FiS thus fulfilling their initial objective: redirect CCP's prioritization from FiS to WiS. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
74
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:14:00 -
[4712] - Quote
Ah, yes, then I guess what you want would indeed be better as a Dust514 like thing. I also see no harm in having seperate games (although I would like to be able to play a single character in those games), but while the focus for the EVE part of New Eden should indeed remain spaceships (at least until technology advances to the point that this whole discussion basicly becomes pointless) I also see no harm in adding a bit of avatar stuff in EVE
....Hmm, or maybe the social aspects of avatar gameplay should be a something that all games in the New Eden universe could have as an (optional) addon. Dust and EVE players hanging out together in the same enviroment...hmmm....I think I'd like that approach too. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
564
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:19:00 -
[4713] - Quote
we can speculate about or love and hate WIS all we want,but we still don,t know what Team Avatar will come up with
We get very little info or have to ask somebody who was at fanfest about some video with unknown content
Giving vague comments about a idea to use the avatar in sleeper sites when watching a video committed to DUST
I see Devs with Team Avatar in their sigs in a lot of other threads without any Avatar content with great enthusiasm
for the lovers ,do you really know you are going to love WIS ? you know what WIS will be? tell me pls for the haters ,do you really know you are going to hate WIS ? you know what WIS will be? tell me pls pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:21:00 -
[4714] - Quote
Oops |
FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:23:00 -
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Gee you take a day off from visiting the forums and you miss the soap opera taking place in this thread.
Glad Ai Shun pointed out the mirror. (Or maybe not... lol )
Anyhow, I take it that CCP is in fact still planning on putting WiS in, so that's really good to hear. I don't want to have used that awesome avatar creator for nothing.
To be honest, while I would LOVE to see a fully fleshed out game involving our avatars, I think that might be overly ambitious, and even if they do that it could put a huge delay on what I originally thought WiS was when I heard about it, and would still like to see.... Role playing environments, social and meetings areas, on the stations.
It would be nice to look out those huge windows of the Stations and see ships flying by. (It doesn't need to be the real outside)
By-the-way, this is off topic but those station windows are A LOT bigger than you might think
The Federal Naval Academy at Couster is over 40 km from end to end. I measured it with my tactical display: Big Station
Here is my Tristan right next to the same type of Station, viewed from afar: Tristan next to Station
And here's a corpse I picked up to play around with (ewww) as close to the window as I could get it: Body in front of window This is at the same location as the above photo. He's actually a few yards in front of the window so it'd be a bit smaller if I could have got him right next to it
Floating above Tristan: Here
Closer to planet: Human next to Tristan
Another view: Different angle
Further away: Sorry if your connection is slow[/url
Tristan next to Customs Office Arm [url=http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6441/20120415084619.png]Viewed from a distance
P.S. Don't tell Andrey. Hey shouldn't have left that thing floating outside the station. |
betoli
Morior Invictus. KRYSIS.
22
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:32:00 -
[4716] - Quote
FoxFire Ayderan wrote: here's a corpse
Hold on - all these corpses look the same - whats the point in all that avatar creation stuff, if everyone looks the same when they're dead.
****************** Support monocles for corpses! ************************* |
Ai Shun
670
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:17:00 -
[4717] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:With that realization, I now say this to the very few remaining true Pro-WiS players still posting in this thread, don't waste any more of your precious time dealing with this facade. Your time is better spent doing much more enjoyable things.
I disagree. I am still carrying on and pushing for it, because I want the feature. You can give up if you like though But those of us that want ambulation / WiS type gameplay will keep on pushing for it; so please do not discourage those of us that want it. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:06:00 -
[4718] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Historically speaking, there has been a very small minority of players who want absolutely no WiS content.
Prove that number please
I wanna see graphs
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Anti-WiS players don't have anything to worry about. Their fears can be laid to rest. There won't ever be any WiS Ambulation implemented in Eve Online. The song and dance routine by CCP in this thread is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." - is a very good philosophy to go by. I understand now why the majority of true Pro-WiS players have left this thread.
CCP has no plan to implement areas where multiple Avatars can interact. The Captains Quarters was specifically implemented to facilitate the acquisition of more money through the NEX STORE and MT, nothing more. CCP's blatant refusal to speculate on any future plans regarding multiple Avatar interaction, the continued lack of information regarding future content, their inability to specify a timeline or show any current basic programing work speaks for itself.
Team Avatar is just a name, nothing more. It's a dog and pony show, some PR fluff created to placate a percentage of the player base. The little bit of Avatar content they do release was already created previously with Incarna. This whole thread has been ruled by and over-run by Anti-WiS players trolling Pro-WiS players from the very start. This thread portrays a perfect example of futility by true Pro-WiS players which has been a colossal waste of time. With that realization, I now say this to the very few remaining true Pro-WiS players still posting in this thread, don't waste any more of your precious time dealing with this facade. Your time is better spent doing much more enjoyable things.
I sense anger
Lemme try this...
"Umad bro?"
Did I do it right?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1700
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:27:00 -
[4719] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:With that realization, I now say this to the very few remaining true Pro-WiS players still posting in this thread, don't waste any more of your precious time dealing with this facade. Your time is better spent doing much more enjoyable things. I disagree. I am still carrying on and pushing for it, because I want the feature. You can give up if you like though But those of us that want ambulation / WiS type gameplay will keep on pushing for it; so please do not discourage those of us that want it.
I have the right to voice my opinion about this thread and it's topic, but I find it amusing that you supposedly have me blocked yet quickly stalk my posting. Doesn't matter, you're definitely a master of subtle manipulation and misrepresentation which I commend you on. I especially like how you advocate that WiS content should definitely be developed and implemented..................not as an integral part of Eve Online but purely as a completely separate game. Kudo's to you.
Ai Shun wrote:drdxie wrote:We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties ^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay. There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc. A number of players? Forcing? WiS content not Eve? I'd continue to find more statements and ask you to provide proof to back up your assertions but quite frankly I believe it would just be another exorcize in futility.
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: I sense anger
Lemme try this...
"Umad bro?"
Did I do it right?
Ahhh, must be a coincidence that Sigurd Sig Hansen (Newly Created Alt) just happens to post right afterwards in all the same threads.
In answer to your troll questions, No. I'm just tired of dealing with your crap. |
Ai Shun
674
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:38:00 -
[4720] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doesn't matter, you're definitely a master of subtle manipulation and misrepresentation which I commend you on. I especially like how you advocate that WiS content should definitely be developed and implemented..................not as an integral part of Eve Online but purely as a completely separate game. Kudo's to you.
Not as a completely separate game. Dust 514 is a different genre in the EVE Universe that interacts with EVE FiS. My argument is for a WiS / Avatar game based in EVE Universe that interacts with EVE FiS. There are logical reasons for that:
(a) It re-allocates the WoD team to WiS so we can see faster results (b) It allows for it to be funded on its own so it has more stability and can be worked on independently (c) It follows a new model CCP is introducing to introduce different game types into the EVE Universe, like Dust 514 which gives us a safety net which still gives us interaction with EVE FiS (I included the concept of cross-over characters) with a modular build so the content transition can be seamless for EVE FiS players and separate for pure EVE WiS players (d) It compromises between different groups of players and creates more opportunity as it can target players not covered under the current EVE Online target market
You can keep on calling that trolling and trying to pretend it is otherwise, but that just seems like trolling in and of itself. You are allowing yourself to discard an opportunity because of your blind hatred for me.
Would it help if I apologised for asking you to prove an assertion you made? Would that soothe your ego?
If you back to that original post - I told you I have heard both groups of players claim their camp had the most support. I asked you if you had proof of your statement, because I would like to know. I've never encountered a situation where a polite request for information I did not have was met with such hostility. It seems ... defensive. Unnatural. I don't think apologising for asking a polite question is necessary; but if that is what it takes to ensure you stop misrepresenting me and trolling me I'll happily do that.
There is no need for this level of animosity, DMC. This is a game and we both seem to want WiS content!
And yes, you eventually provided something; but that was something that does not constitute hard evidence. It was a polluted, biased sample that cannot be used to extrapolate an answer.
Edit: If you would like to refer back to the original post I am talking about - you can find it linked from here. |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:51:00 -
[4721] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: I sense anger
Lemme try this...
"Umad bro?"
Did I do it right?
Ahhh, must be a coincidence that Sigurd Sig Hansen (Newly Created Alt) just happens to post right afterwards in all the same threads. In answer to your troll questions, No. I'm just tired of dealing with your crap.
Id post on my main but I cant
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Ai Shun
674
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:54:00 -
[4722] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:[Id post on my main but I cant cause I quoted you
I'm posting right after you to confirm that you are my alt. And that we engage in loving pages of argumentative discussions. But it is all part of the master conspiracy to prevent WiS from happening.
First, build up a credible alternative personality through alts. Then, argue amongst them. .... Fourth. No more Walking in Stations.
Or something like that. I'm still trying to figure it out entirely. I think there is an opportunity for cheese, ponies or money in there too.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1700
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:55:00 -
[4723] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doesn't matter, you're definitely a master of subtle manipulation and misrepresentation which I commend you on. I especially like how you advocate that WiS content should definitely be developed and implemented..................not as an integral part of Eve Online but purely as a completely separate game. Kudo's to you. Not as a completely separate game. Dust 514 is a different genre in the EVE Universe that interacts with EVE FiS. My argument is for a WiS / Avatar game based in EVE Universe that interacts with EVE FiS. There are logical reasons for that: (a) It re-allocates the WoD team to WiS so we can see faster results(b) It allows for it to be funded on its own so it has more stability and can be worked on independently(c) It follows a new model CCP is introducing to introduce different game types into the EVE Universe, like Dust 514 which gives us a safety net which still gives us interaction with EVE FiS (I included the concept of cross-over characters) with a modular build so the content transition can be seamless for EVE FiS players and separate for pure EVE WiS players (d) It compromises between different groups of players and creates more opportunity as it can target players not covered under the current EVE Online target market
Hey, I was already sold on the idea.
Anyway, you had me for that much of your reply, the rest of it basically just turned into an incitement to flame war, which you seem hell bent to conduct. Don't know how much plainer I can say this.
STOP IT. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
225
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:08:00 -
[4724] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doesn't matter, you're definitely a master of subtle manipulation and misrepresentation which I commend you on. I especially like how you advocate that WiS content should definitely be developed and implemented..................not as an integral part of Eve Online but purely as a completely separate game. Kudo's to you. Not as a completely separate game. Dust 514 is a different genre in the EVE Universe that interacts with EVE FiS. My argument is for a WiS / Avatar game based in EVE Universe that interacts with EVE FiS. There are logical reasons for that: (a) It re-allocates the WoD team to WiS so we can see faster results(b) It allows for it to be funded on its own so it has more stability and can be worked on independently(c) It follows a new model CCP is introducing to introduce different game types into the EVE Universe, like Dust 514 which gives us a safety net which still gives us interaction with EVE FiS (I included the concept of cross-over characters) with a modular build so the content transition can be seamless for EVE FiS players and separate for pure EVE WiS players (d) It compromises between different groups of players and creates more opportunity as it can target players not covered under the current EVE Online target market Hey, I was already sold on the idea. Anyway, you had me for that much of your reply, the rest of it basically just turned into an incitement to flame war, which you seem hell bent to conduct. Don't know how much plainer I can say this. STOP IT.
Which part was the incitement to flame/race war? |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
841
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:29:00 -
[4725] - Quote
DeMichael Cartman wrote:Tin foil conspiracy theories Dude, really? ******* is a helluva drug.
You blame others for attempting to derail this thread yet there you go again.
DeMichael Cartman wrote: STOP IT.
Maybe if you didn't sperge personal attacks and insults and/or threaten to report players to CCP (mommy) whenever someone simply asked you a question you didn't like, or whenever others here disagree with your position, you might just garner some respect.
/confirming I am the alt of every player who has ever disagreed with Cartman. //confirming I devote 110% of my waking hours to making sure WiS does not happen. ///confirming I also kidnapped the Lindbergh baby. //// slashies! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:36:00 -
[4726] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Anti-WiS players don't have anything to worry about. Their fears can be laid to rest. There won't ever be any WiS Ambulation implemented in Eve Online. The song and dance routine by CCP in this thread is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." - is a very good philosophy to go by. I understand now why the majority of true Pro-WiS players have left this thread
CCP has no plan to implement areas where multiple Avatars can interact. The Captains Quarters was specifically implemented to facilitate the acquisition of more money through the NEX STORE and MT, nothing more. CCP's blatant refusal to speculate on any future plans regarding multiple Avatar interaction, the continued lack of information regarding future content, their inability to specify a timeline or show any current basic programing work speaks for itself.
Team Avatar is just a name, nothing more. It's a dog and pony show, some PR fluff created to placate a percentage of the player base. The little bit of Avatar content they do release was already created previously with Incarna. This whole thread has been ruled by and over-run by Anti-WiS players trolling Pro-WiS players from the very start. This thread portrays a perfect example of futility by true Pro-WiS players which has been a colossal waste of time. With that realization, I now say this to the very few remaining true Pro-WiS players still posting in this thread, don't waste any more of your precious time dealing with this facade. Your time is better spent doing much more enjoyable things.
Nice personal insult on the devs, so bitter. Is that what you consider constructive voicing of opinions? So any opinions against-wis, or for-wis but not fitting to your exact specifications is trolling? Why don't you stop your dog and pony grandstanding conspiracy theory show posting? What makes you a True Pro-Wis is it because you have a evewiki page? do you drop faction loot when popped? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
226
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:43:00 -
[4727] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Anti-WiS players don't have anything to worry about. Their fears can be laid to rest. There won't ever be any WiS Ambulation implemented in Eve Online. The song and dance routine by CCP in this thread is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." - is a very good philosophy to go by. I understand now why the majority of true Pro-WiS players have left this thread
CCP has no plan to implement areas where multiple Avatars can interact. The Captains Quarters was specifically implemented to facilitate the acquisition of more money through the NEX STORE and MT, nothing more. CCP's blatant refusal to speculate on any future plans regarding multiple Avatar interaction, the continued lack of information regarding future content, their inability to specify a timeline or show any current basic programing work speaks for itself.
Team Avatar is just a name, nothing more. It's a dog and pony show, some PR fluff created to placate a percentage of the player base. The little bit of Avatar content they do release was already created previously with Incarna. This whole thread has been ruled by and over-run by Anti-WiS players trolling Pro-WiS players from the very start. This thread portrays a perfect example of futility by true Pro-WiS players which has been a colossal waste of time. With that realization, I now say this to the very few remaining true Pro-WiS players still posting in this thread, don't waste any more of your precious time dealing with this facade. Your time is better spent doing much more enjoyable things. Nice personal insult on the devs, so bitter. Is that what you consider constructive voicing of opinions? So any opinions against-wis, or for-wis but not fitting to your exact specifications is trolling? Why don't you stop your dog and pony grandstanding conspiracy theory show posting? What makes you a True Pro-Wis is it because you have a evewiki page? do you drop faction loot when popped?
This is literally DMC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmCL0gIhkLM |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1700
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:47:00 -
[4728] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Nice personal insult on the devs, so bitter. Is that what you consider constructive voicing of opinions? So any opinions against-wis, or for-wis but not fitting to your exact specifications is trolling? Why don't you stop your dog and pony grandstanding conspiracy theory show posting? What makes you a True Pro-Wis is it because you have a evewiki page? do you drop faction loot when popped? And you're the last one to speak but not the least, thank you for completing the troll parade.
I can voice my opinion of Team Avatar, this thread and it's topic however I see fit. As for the rest of your reply, thanks for being off topic. Oh by the way, please grow a pair and come see me in-game.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
226
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:49:00 -
[4729] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Nice personal insult on the devs, so bitter. Is that what you consider constructive voicing of opinions? So any opinions against-wis, or for-wis but not fitting to your exact specifications is trolling? Why don't you stop your dog and pony grandstanding conspiracy theory show posting? What makes you a True Pro-Wis is it because you have a evewiki page? do you drop faction loot when popped? And you're the last one to speak but not the least, thank you for completing the troll parade. I can voice my opinion of Team Avatar, this thread and it's topic however I see fit. As for the rest of your reply, thanks for being off topic. Oh by the way, please grow a pair and come see me in-game.
Oh RunDMC. Don't ever stop.
I'll bet you reported his post, too. You've probably reported all these posts. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:54:00 -
[4730] - Quote
Oh christ, we are all offtopic insulting trolls in DMC-land
****WARNING OFFTOPIC grow a pair and see you ingame? hmmm last known activity september 2011, "known" because you wrote all about it in your wiki and called it "The Assassination", pretty fancy. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1700
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:56:00 -
[4731] - Quote
Wow, you really are an assholetroll.
Lapine Davion wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Nice personal insult on the devs, so bitter. Is that what you consider constructive voicing of opinions? So any opinions against-wis, or for-wis but not fitting to your exact specifications is trolling? Why don't you stop your dog and pony grandstanding conspiracy theory show posting? What makes you a True Pro-Wis is it because you have a evewiki page? do you drop faction loot when popped? And you're the last one to speak but not the least, thank you for completing the troll parade. I can voice my opinion of Team Avatar, this thread and it's topic however I see fit. As for the rest of your reply, thanks for being off topic. Oh by the way, please grow a pair and come see me in-game. Oh RunDMC. Don't ever stop. I'll bet you reported his post, too. You've probably reported all these posts. Now why would I report your replies? hmmmmm, oh right, because it's blatant trolling. |
tomato1
Not Too Shabby
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:57:00 -
[4732] - Quote
this my two cents, but ccp wants meaningful when i think of that means to me by them is running a bar or store or some ****, im not complaining about that could be cool but what i will say is would be nice if there was something fun like perhaps races....
pod racing haha yeah i fuccckin love starwars.. so do you ;-P one thing when i started eve is i was not all exieted about not being able to fly my ship quote on quote (control movement) but if you had races you could enter in stations that would be awesome could have upgradeble racers, rank up, gambling, would be competitive, probly be on a planet idk like horse racing,,, just way flippin better then quarter mile ;-)
and just to say one day ccp just might pull it off and rename this game star wars haha... but they'd have to do it way better to do that ;)
p.s.s. um and i wouldnt want it to be a skill thing like i got wait to skill up to race....that would be slow race...should be something like the skill of the racer is how fast he can...race and hense you bet on who you thinks going win |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:57:00 -
[4733] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:[Id post on my main but I cant cause I quoted you I'm posting right after you to confirm that you are my alt. And that we engage in loving pages of argumentative discussions. But it is all part of the master conspiracy to prevent WiS from happening. First, build up a credible alternative personality through alts. Then, argue amongst them. .... Fourth. No more Walking in Stations. Or something like that. I'm still trying to figure it out entirely. I think there is an opportunity for cheese, ponies or money in there too.
Im YOUR alt? Crazy RP there O.o
I wasnt talking about you anyways lol Theres a reason I editted that lol
Doc Fury wrote:
and/or threaten to report players to CCP (mommy)
yeah thatd be the quote sorta
IM Doc Fury/s alt too
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1700
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:00:00 -
[4734] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Oh christ, we are all offtopic insulting trolls in DMC-land
****WARNING OFFTOPIC grow a pair and see you ingame? hmmm last known activity september 2011, "known" because you wrote all about it in your wiki and called it "The Assassination", pretty fancy. Salazar, is that you?
So what, why are you bringing that **** up for? God you must be desperate. How about instead of talking all big here in this thread, let's take it in-game. Unless trolling in the forums is all you can do. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:01:00 -
[4735] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: I can voice my opinion of Team Avatar, this thread and it's topic however I see fit.
Until we mash the report buttons too about your blatant trolling?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1700
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:02:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: I can voice my opinion of Team Avatar, this thread and it's topic however I see fit.
Until we mash the report buttons too about your blatant trolling? Please do |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:03:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: I can voice my opinion of Team Avatar, this thread and it's topic however I see fit.
Until we mash the report buttons too about your blatant trolling? Please do
am actually, lets see if it helps for us...
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
tomato1
Not Too Shabby
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:09:00 -
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IM GOING REPOST THIS CAUSE YOU GUYS KEEP GOING OFF TOPIC TALKING ABOUT GOING OFF TOPIC....WAIT WUT ;-P
SHUT UP
This my two cents, but ccp wants meaningful when i think of that means to me by them is running a bar or store or some ****, im not complaining about that could be cool but what i will say is would be nice if there was something fun like perhaps races....
pod racing haha yeah i fuccckin love starwars.. so do you ;-P one thing when i started eve is i was not all exieted about not being able to fly my ship quote on quote (control movement) but if you had races you could enter in stations that would be awesome could have upgradeble racers, rank up, gambling, would be competitive, probly be on a planet idk like horse racing,,, just way flippin better then quarter mile ;-)
and just to say one day ccp just might pull it off and rename this game star wars haha... but they'd have to do it way better to do that ;)
p.s.s. um and i wouldnt want it to be a skill thing like i got wait to skill up to race....that would be slow race...should be something like the skill of the racer is how fast he can...race and hense you bet on who you thinks going win |
tomato1
Not Too Shabby
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:10:00 -
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IM GOING REPOST THIS CAUSE YOU GUYS KEEP GOING OFF TOPIC TALKING ABOUT GOING OFF TOPIC....WAIT WUT ;-P
SHUT UP
This my two cents, but ccp wants meaningful when i think of that means to me by them is running a bar or store or some ****, im not complaining about that could be cool but what i will say is would be nice if there was something fun like perhaps races....
pod racing haha yeah i fuccckin love starwars.. so do you ;-P one thing when i started eve is i was not all exieted about not being able to fly my ship quote on quote (control movement) but if you had races you could enter in stations that would be awesome could have upgradeble racers, rank up, gambling, would be competitive, probly be on a planet idk like horse racing,,, just way flippin better then quarter mile ;-)
and just to say one day ccp just might pull it off and rename this game star wars haha... but they'd have to do it way better to do that ;)
p.s.s. um and i wouldnt want it to be a skill thing like i got wait to skill up to race....that would be slow race...should be something like the skill of the racer is how fast he can...race and hense you bet on who you thinks going win |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:17:00 -
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Do you want to talk about wis or about whether you will deactivate the cloak on your loki? DMC, Republic University [RUN] from 2008.06.23 02:48 to this day got his own wki page, must be a main
the fact is, wis is on slow burn, but it's still coming, it will take a year or two, deal with it. wis forever i was there deal with it ?
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FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:44:00 -
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Wait... what is this thread about again?
I seem to have forgotten. |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
73
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Posted - 2012.04.20 04:13:00 -
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tomato1 wrote:IM GOING REPOST THIS CAUSE YOU GUYS KEEP GOING OFF TOPIC TALKING ABOUT GOING OFF TOPIC....WAIT WUT ;-P
SHUT UP
p.s.s. um and i wouldnt want it to be a skill thing like i got wait to skill up to race....that would be slow race...should be something like the skill of the racer is how fast he can...race and hense you bet on who you thinks going win
what is this gibberish. please learn how to use periods. |
Ai Shun
675
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Posted - 2012.04.20 04:13:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote: Wait... what is this thread about again?
I seem to have forgotten.
Walking in Stations. I have begun putting up the stuff I've been working on in the background here. Comments and ideas from WiS players are welcome. EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Kewso
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.04.20 05:57:00 -
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I was hoping for more "walking in station" content.
open the doors let us out of our captain's quarters and enter the promenade and socialize, "wheel and deal" face to face. Meet friends, corpmates, newbs on station. Visit stores on the station and purchase anywhere from trade goods to be delivered to ship to junk for avatars.
one day id love the ability to have like a certain section available for like hand 2 hand combat, imagine crazy bar fights or whatnot in a designated area. Could do simple left click attack right click counter type hand2hand for the hell of it.
I'd love the ability to dock and walk around in exploration sites, perhaps have puzzle type areas to configure to get the goods or to get out, etc.
so much potential.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
227
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:27:00 -
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This thread is literally going nowhere, much like the OP! Haha. This thread is now about Road House.
"Mind your own business, Dad!" |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1186
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:09:00 -
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This thread has literally become an off topic spam fest in the last number of pages. Since nothing new of worth is being discussed it will be locked. CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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