Theres no lesson here - suiciding is cheap skilless and negates the purpose of high sec - it was supposed to be safe space.

someone wasted a thrasher on my shuttle the other day.

that'll learn me to AP about high sec!

bounty payout 1000 ISK loooooooool

You'd be surprised when you learn how many people are carrying valuables (PLEX, Implants, Salvage) via autopiloting shuttle. It's always worth using a 2M Thrasher on them.

or a ship scanner.

If that were the case, the CONCORD response time would be set to be immediate and you wouldn't be able to commit any criminal offense at all. Since that is not the case we can conclude that high sec wasn't supposed to be 100% safe space. qed.

Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. ... That's the whole point of high security.

Dev post - show me one that says otherwise.

I am afraid that "quite" safe and "completely" safe are not the same thing. High Sec is "quite" safe, given that there is punishment of unauthorized aggression by Concord. However, High Sec is NOT "completely" safe. You can obviously still be ganked.

Oveurs post was addressing ganking. "Quite safe" is not getting ganked whenever someone decides they want to blow up your crap. Thats quite unsafe in fact.

no, "quite unsafe" would be having no counters to ganking

I didn't really need that much isk invested in one ship

i feel we simply have a misunderstanding here

infinite ziona, highsec space is the area with CONCORD and faction police

it's the other areas that don't have these things

Finally a highsec missionrunner gets it.

Billions of isk is not a worthwhile investment for running a mission 3% faster.

You can delude yourself into thinking high sec is quite safe now but we all know its not quite that way atm

Im saying its not quite safe because its far too easy and risk free to gank. Not just small ships but some of the largest ships allowed in high sec.

prove it

Lol.

What needs to happen is EHP should be a proper balance to dissuade ganking for giggles. A ship should only be woth suiciding if its fitted with or carrying enough to justify the gank on economic terms. The devs have done this before when exhumers were released with way too little HP. They need to do it again to account for the increased DPS of current skills and ships.

Faction play no role. Concord is irrelevant when it comes to ganking since ganking is so quick even on a capital class hull.

so if i put plex inside a freighter it would suddenly lose ehp?

ganking needs to be fast because after a certain amount of time CONCORD shows up and kills everybody

that's why they call it 'suicide ganking'

if you have any more questions about basic game mechanics feel free to ask

If there was enough plex to justify ganking the freighter than it would be worth the 2 billion cost of ganking one. Problem at the moment is you can gank a freighter for a fraction of the cost of a freighter.

oh so you believe in isk tanking, lmao

a t1 catalyst costs 2 million and does 418 dps. a t2 catalyst costs 11 million and does 686 dps. which one should it be balanced against?

Lol. You need to think before you post. You just agreed with what I said without even realising it.

EHP and build cost have always been used to balance ships in EvE. Apparently devs believe in it to and always have.

EHP and build cost have always been used to balance ships in EvE. Apparently devs believe in it to and always have.

one of my ships has 42m EHP

another ship of a different type has 35m EHP

guess which one is more expensive

They're irrelevant to the discussion.