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Mastertz
Republic Industrial Complex
28
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:49:00 -
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You don't say, tell me more...
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arkan099 Sotken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:05:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:All I've seen is a bunch of noname NPC Corp alts and TESTies going "U MAD BRO?" Stop being a little seven yer old shite chanting, "Ni ner ni ner ni ner!" TEST dodged a bullet pure and simple, TEST and even PL, admit to that. PL, and N3 are breathing a sigh of relief that they didn't have to slog back in there to pull TESTs fat out of the fire yet again because TEST was being well TEST, but also a little miffed about the fight suddenly being CCPed. EDIT: As far as the battle goes: I ain't even mad.
the sweet taste of those bitter goon tears.... keep them tears flowing boy. |

Tobi Vecci
Phoenix Security Consolidated
11
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:06:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:All I've seen is a bunch of noname NPC Corp alts and TESTies going "U MAD BRO?" Stop being a little seven yer old shite chanting, "Ni ner ni ner ni ner!" TEST dodged a bullet pure and simple, TEST and even PL, admit to that. PL, and N3 are breathing a sigh of relief that they didn't have to slog back in there to pull TESTs fat out of the fire yet again because TEST was being well TEST, but also a little miffed about the fight suddenly being CCPed. EDIT: As far as the battle goes: I ain't even mad.
Nobody is arguing about the fact that they dodged the bullet (alright, some can, but let's leave them in a special corner); it's the issue that when the server went belly up for TEST and others before, it was to the advantage of the Goons. Now that it has given TEST a slight advantage of not losing a ******* huge amount of caps, Goonswarm and others immediately cry that this is worse than the t20 scandal. Mistakes were made, nothing can be done, and what matters is the present and the future of this war in question, not the perceived wrongdoing by CCP "intentionally" killing the node to save TEST caps. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
945
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:26:00 -
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arkan099 Sotken wrote:http://themittani.com/features/dear-ccp-regarding-z9pp
... goons show us where the bad man touched you on this doll....
Do you really know what it looks like to undock ro jump gates, heck do whatever under -10% Tidi with less than 1000 in local?
Do you even understand what it implies for traveling fleets with no color settings distinction to simply travel 4 or 5 jumps under 10% Tidi?
You clearly seem to have absolutely no idea what this implies for both camps, and one of them will get the higher hand not because he had better tactics or a better fleet but simply because he jump first.
Awesomeness is awesome right? *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
361
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:54:00 -
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Tobi Vecci wrote:Nobody is arguing about the fact that they dodged the bullet (alright, some can, but let's leave them in a special corner); it's the issue that when the server went belly up for TEST and others before, it was to the advantage of the Goons. Now that it has given TEST a slight advantage of not losing a ******* huge amount of caps, Goonswarm and others immediately cry that this is worse than the t20 scandal. Mistakes were made, nothing can be done, and what matters is the present and the future of this war in question, not the perceived wrongdoing by CCP "intentionally" killing the node to save TEST caps. Well think of it this way: Your team is playing a match, it is an epic match, they are about to score a goal that will decide the tournament basically, it is in the air, and suddenly the lights go out, the entire arena is pitch black. When the lights come back on the refs restart the match all over again. The goalie might have caught it, he might not have, but nobody will know because somebody fatfingered the lightswitch. How would that make you feel? You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Callyuk
Thundercats The Initiative.
7
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:56:00 -
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GOON TEARS BEST TEARS :) This is a TROLL POST of course just repaying the FAVOR
By Sion Kumitomo
Dear CCP:
I love spaceships. I love the sandbox. The sheer possibilities afforded by the near-limitless options and the organic player-driven content are things you just can't find anywhere else. So what I say next, I say out of deep concern. Though you might find it hurtful, it is not meant to hurt.
Incompetence like this ruins your sandbox.
By 'this', I mean the re-mapping of the node in Z9PP during the battle yesterday. The battle in Z9PP started with the destruction of a TEST ihub around downtime, and over the next twelve hours, the system saw varying levels of continued conflict. At peak, local was near 2000 pilots with more set to join the fray. That is, the battle itself was still in the process of escalating. All of this was abruptly ended by the incompetence of your engineers. Further escalation of the battle would have seen hundreds of capitals lost, and supers perhaps fielded or lost. It would have been a battle to remember, a battle that would have graced headlines, a battle pilots would have recalled with pride, or with horror. And that's just the start of what your mistake cost you and thousands of players.
I've seen allegations of t20 levels of conspiracy by various parties, but I think we both know that's not the case. You didn't do this out of maliceGÇöI'm certain it was just as you said here, a mistake. Mistakes are fine, everyone makes them. But making the same mistake repeatedly means you aren't learning from them. GSF's own dread fleet was saved by a similar node remap a scant couple of weeks ago, a similar missed opportunity to showcase the vibrant and violent nature of EVE.
But incompetence is worse than malice.
As a company that thrives on occupying a niche in the MMO market, it is in your best interests to prevent this from ever occurring again. These kinds of massive battles and the surrounding narratives are what give you free publicity, both through word of mouth and in the gaming press. If you don't hold your people accountable, and if you don't strive to ensure that checks are in place to prevent this, you're not just hurting the players involved directly, you're hurting the whole gameGÇöincluding yourselves.
You cannot risk your reputation becoming 'lol CCP', nor can you afford to pass up the windfall that massive battles generate for you. What astounds me most is that something like this, something so precious and important to your business model, is something that doesn't have multiple checks in place to prevent just such an event from occurring. This wasn't GÇ£just a fightGÇ¥. These events and others like them are what drive the whole of EVE. It should come as no surprise that players expect pvp to matter in a game built around the integral idea that pvp matters.
Why you wouldn't protect these events as much as you are able is quite utterly beyond me. I don't mean to denigrate other aspects of the game, of course, but let's be honest: the biggest draw of EVE is the possibility that you will have a part in something major. And when it comes to that, very little equals a huge war-turning battle, the murder of a capfleet, or the destruction of thousands of ships. Remember Asakai? That now infamous system and so many others like it are the beating heart of this game. Massive battles are your piles of gold, their stories your frankincense, and their widespread impacts your myrrh.
You can't make pvp matter without making it matter when it matters the most. You cannot allow typos to undermine your game and the potential of EVE, not when it is something so important to your business model.
I don't want a witch hunt. No one does. You've already given us answers as to what happened, and I commend your openness. Communication lets all of us know what transpired and is a great starting point. But it is just that, a starting point. Moreover, what was offered was merely an apology, whereas what you require is action towards a permanent solution. My sincere hope is that you address this issue and communicate to us how it has been addressed. Failing that, I suspect we'll have our answers during the next major fleet battle.
But remember, CCP, this isn't just about the fights. As stewards of the sandbox, you are accountable for it, and it is your reputation and your game that are at stake. So for your sake and ours, the remapping of a node with an active battle must not be allowed to happen again.
Your players understand these implications, CCP. Do you?
GOON TEARS BEST TEARS :) This is a TROLL POST of course just repaying the FAVOR How Goons Gank Freighters with the new flagging system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdq5in9fR-Y https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=254193&p=25 Theres a gear at the bottom right in every YOUTUBE video use it |

Jon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
12
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:57:00 -
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In my experience the best tears are the ones I started to shed (either through anger or sadness or whatever, after losing a fight or a ship or whatever) and didn't. |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
364
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:18:00 -
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from the article:
"But incompetence is worse than malice."
lol, wtf? That really says it all. This guy just has no clue what he's talking about ever.
He's a second rate hack that's convinced a legion of idiots overly attached to a particular websites forums (sorry, COMMUNITY, lol) that they gobble up his every whim.
In a game where numbers can't be ignored and WILL win out in the end, they've somehow convinced themselves because they have numbers, they must somehow have something going on between their ears.
Am I the only one reading this article? I've read better papers written by 9th graders. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
362
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:33:00 -
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Mastertz wrote:You don't say, tell me more... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avYnhH95u_0 You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1942
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:38:00 -
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It's good to know you hate us so much, that even when the game developers make catastrophic errors that can and will affect everyone, that you all leap around saying "Goon tears, goon tears!"
I seriously hope you're like, 5 years old or it's pretty embarassing that you're just looking at the fact a complaint has been made and not why. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
550
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:54:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:EDIT: Especially when the other teams fans are going "U MAD BRO?" and "MOAR TEARS PLZ!" like prepubescent shites. Unless it's a goon spewing it. Then it's just funny and never gets old, amirite?
Coming from a goon, this is hypocrisy at its finest.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
365
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:05:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:EDIT: Especially when the other teams fans are going "U MAD BRO?" and "MOAR TEARS PLZ!" like prepubescent shites. Unless it's a goon spewing it. Then it's just funny and never gets old, amirite? Coming from a goon, this is hypocrisy at its finest.
A mirror is their worst enemy.  |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
362
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:12:00 -
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Not here to destroy the game, but here to destroy YOUR GAME.
When CCP screws up, that destroys the game, we don't like that, and you shouldn't like it too, even tho it screws with Goons. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
99
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:13:00 -
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I survived with my +5's.  |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
365
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:15:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Not here to destroy the game, but here to destroy YOUR GAME.
m8
Most people stop with the "I'm rubber you're glue" stuff around the age of 7. |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
550
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:21:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Not here to destroy the game, but here to destroy YOUR GAME. Right. Which is why it's so ironic when your game is destroyed and you're the ones cryIng over it.
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
362
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:22:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:EDIT: Especially when the other teams fans are going "U MAD BRO?" and "MOAR TEARS PLZ!" like prepubescent shites. Unless it's a goon spewing it. Then it's just funny and never gets old, amirite? Coming from a goon, this is hypocrisy at its finest. Nice quote mining. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
362
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:26:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Not here to destroy the game, but here to destroy YOUR GAME. Right. Which is why it's so ironic when your game is destroyed and you're the ones cryIng over it. Did you even read the rest or did you imediately go post with the "cry moar gooni" rubber hate stamp? You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
550
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:44:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Did you even read the rest or did you imediately go post with the "cry moar gooni" rubber hate stamp? You sound like you're getting upset, so I'll try not to fan the flames anymore. My advice to you is, find out where these "prepubescent" memes (as you call them) are coming from, so you don't end up looking like a fool yourself. Or you could continue stumbling over your own rocks. That's more entertaining anyway . |

Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:48:00 -
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I almost lost my Raven when a message popped up saying eve has stopped working does that count too?
Damn Guristas Kyoken warp scrambling me, my drones WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN this I promise you Guristas pirates, they gave up themselves in a heroic effort that set my ship free when I got dropped. |

Tobi Vecci
Phoenix Security Consolidated
11
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:53:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Tobi Vecci wrote:Nobody is arguing about the fact that they dodged the bullet (alright, some can, but let's leave them in a special corner); it's the issue that when the server went belly up for TEST and others before, it was to the advantage of the Goons. Now that it has given TEST a slight advantage of not losing a ******* huge amount of caps, Goonswarm and others immediately cry that this is worse than the t20 scandal. Mistakes were made, nothing can be done, and what matters is the present and the future of this war in question, not the perceived wrongdoing by CCP "intentionally" killing the node to save TEST caps. Well think of it this way: Your team is playing a match, it is an epic match, they are about to score a goal that will decide the tournament basically, it is in the air, and suddenly the lights go out, the entire arena is pitch black. When the lights come back on the refs restart the match all over again. The goalie might have caught it, he might not have, but nobody will know because somebody fatfingered the lightswitch. How would that make you feel? EDIT: Especially when the other teams fans are going "U MAD BRO?" and "MOAR TEARS PLZ!" like prepubescent shites. We are not mad we are upset that some fatfingered flunkie flipped the switch on a truly epic fight, and want CCP to put something in place (policy or procedure) so that it doesn't happen again.
To be perfectly honest, pretty mad, but I've had that happen to me before so it was a rather rage inducing thing. However, the issue is that when the server going pear shaped has positively affected the CFC and smashed Test in the mouth, Test didn't take to the forums immediately and spawn a thirty page threadnaught of proportions while people inside of it screamed like gibbons how it was clearly a dev conspiracy to help Test (granted, Test may have done this on their internal forums, but seeing as I am not a member of Test on any chars and only have some few friends, I can't verify that), the central point is how the CFC reacted to that.
Yeah, it sucks; that's been established. However, for the people in that thread to call for his dismissal on the grounds "Oh god, he absolutely ruined our fight, he should be fired because we couldn't slaughter a cap fleet wholesale and there will never be an opportunity like that again" are looking at with very shortsightedness. If he was a repeat offender, sure, I could see CCP firing the guy because he's done half a dozen or more screwups in critical areas in a short span and hasn't learned. But if the dev in question did this in the dark and lonely Icelandic hours and accidentally hit the wrong key, it's an accident. Many mistakes have been made, but making him a figurehead for the failure of the CFC to kill the caps is not a great idea.
At least that is my honest opinion about it. |

Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.07.06 02:50:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Did you even read the rest or did you imediately go post with the "cry moar gooni" rubber hate stamp? You sound like you're getting upset, so I'll try not to fan the flames anymore. My advice to you is, find out where these "prepubescent" memes (as you call them) are coming from, so you don't end up looking like a fool yourself. Or you could continue stumbling over your own rocks. That's more entertaining anyway  . neither of those memes come from something awful, just so you know |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1180
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Posted - 2013.07.06 03:12:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:from the article:
"But incompetence is worse than malice."
lol, wtf? That really says it all. This guy just has no clue what he's talking about ever.
He's a second rate hack that's convinced a legion of idiots overly attached to a particular websites forums (sorry, COMMUNITY, lol) that they gobble up his every whim.
In a game where numbers can't be ignored and WILL win out in the end, they've somehow convinced themselves because they have numbers, they must somehow have something going on between their ears.
Am I the only one reading this article? I've read better papers written by 9th graders. there's no actual content in this post |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3102
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:01:00 -
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Those comments on the article.. Hilarious! |

Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:08:00 -
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it's true, that **** ruins the game. i've not been as eager to join big fleets lately during this war, because more often than not it turns into a slideshow. it's not fun spending an hour just to warp/jump across 3 ******* systems
i was at asakai. almost quit the game over that battle too. was nothing more than a glorified slideshow. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
431
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:26:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:EDIT: Especially when the other teams fans are going "U MAD BRO?" and "MOAR TEARS PLZ!" like prepubescent shites. Unless it's a goon spewing it. Then it's just funny and never gets old, amirite? Coming from a goon, this is hypocrisy at its finest. If you ever catch a goon, (AND I MEAN GOONWAFFE NOT CFC ALLIANCES), saying "you mad bro" or spouting off reddit/4chan memes like he's some kind of moronic pubbie like you, feel free to take a screenshot so we can all mock that idiot and have him booted for being a spy. |

Cyrek Ohaya
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:36:00 -
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"t20 levels of conspiracy"
Truly new levels of autism have been reached. |

Endeavour Starfleet
913
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:46:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:It was a good article but a missed opportunity. I am glad to see that they know it was a mistake and not a conspiracy.
However, It was a huge missed opportunity to say how screwed up it is to call for someones real life job over a video game. And again I call upon all the leaders of the CFC to step up and say the right thing.
I just want to quote myself and again remind the leaders of the CFC that in my opinion they have not done enough to distance themselves from some of their members who are actually saying CCP employees ought to lose their jobs over this unfortunate accident. |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
365
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:47:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote: If you ever catch a goon, (AND I MEAN GOONWAFFE NOT CFC ALLIANCES), saying "you mad bro" or spouting off reddit/4chan memes
like he's some kind of moronic pubbie like you, feel free to take a screenshot so we can all mock that idiot and have him booted for being a spy.
There goes that goon talk we talked about |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
362
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Posted - 2013.07.06 05:51:00 -
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Tobi Vecci wrote: To be perfectly honest, pretty mad, but I've had that happen to me before so it was a rather rage inducing thing. However, the issue is that when the server going pear shaped has positively affected the CFC and smashed Test in the mouth, Test didn't take to the forums immediately and spawn a thirty page threadnaught of proportions while people inside of it screamed like gibbons how it was clearly a dev conspiracy to help Test (granted, Test may have done this on their internal forums, but seeing as I am not a member of Test on any chars and only have some few friends, I can't verify that), the central point is how the CFC reacted to that.
Yeah, it sucks; that's been established. However, for the people in that thread to call for his dismissal on the grounds "Oh god, he absolutely ruined our fight, he should be fired because we couldn't slaughter a cap fleet wholesale and there will never be an opportunity like that again" are looking at with very shortsightedness. If he was a repeat offender, sure, I could see CCP firing the guy because he's done half a dozen or more screwups in critical areas in a short span and hasn't learned. But if the dev in question did this in the dark and lonely Icelandic hours and accidentally hit the wrong key, it's an accident. Many mistakes have been made, but making him a figurehead for the failure of the CFC to kill the caps is not a great idea.
At least that is my honest opinion about it.
To be honest we do have a large group, and people do tend to show their emotions in various ways. Some venting of their spleen with howls of rage and calls for pitchforks and torches is to be expected, but goading these people into further outbursts is more sad for the person goading than the person venting. Two thirds of that thread was actually non Goons going: "U MAD?" and "MOAR TEARS!" Be the bigger person, and ignore those that "screamed like gibbons" for blood, and engage in discourse with the articulate civil ones. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
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