He's just putting the R back into ISK. A community service.

Well what risk do you mean? He never put any additional risk on the OP, he maybe made the completing the mission LESS risky by killing the npcs.

He was helping you finish the mission faster XD

So, I was running a L4 security mission last night and in the last room drdready warped in after scanning me down, and started killing the enemy ships essentially stealing my bounty, loot and salvage.

Damn, send his ask my way, I could care less if a "ninja" flew in to kill the pirates I'd laugh all the way to the LP bank

And if something has changed in the last updates then mission rats were still off limits cause they are the person who owns the mission.

I had an alt I was in fleet with connection dropped and all wrecks were yellow to my alt.

Really tho, they are doing you a favor I wish I could have that happen

Ha, that's right. If you wanted to fight him you should have looted one of his cans.

well, well, well

I seem to recall I invited lord nikkon to a duel. might even have to dig up the local log........ Would love to learn from almighty lord nikkon..... I just realised I am a real noob at this game and sometimes I make really innocent mistakes, like getting into missions, doing a bit of npc killing and taking a bit of cargo here and there. Just trying to help my fellow players out a bit!

He was helping you finish the mission faster XD

He was helping you finish the mission faster XD

So, I was running a L4 security mission last night and in the last room drdready warped in after scanning me down, and started killing the enemy ships essentially stealing my bounty, loot and salvage. Since I was in highsec I could not shoot him down and the coward would not accept a duel. He even went as far as targeting me to try to get me to shoot first, but since I was not in the mood to have CONCORD blow up 250mil isk worth of Raven, there was nothing that I could really do except leave.
Now, I am all for Pirates making a living by holding stuff for ransom, or scamming people or even killing miners that are dumb enough to flip a can or fire on them, but this was flat out stealing with no possible recourse. Is there anything that we can do to deter this type of behavior? You get a suspect flag for stealing from another player's wreck, but not for killing their mission NPC's and, in essence stealing their bounty, loot and salvage. This seems like a flaw in the Crimewatch system.

Here in C&P we do not call such noble people mean and nasty names. Instead we call them heroes.

I must ask though, did you buy a permit for running a mission in that system? It is not your system. However, it sounds as though it is a system ruled over by the Saviour. Did you think you could just go in there and take whatever you wanted?

War dec him, gank him, throw a bounty on him, AWOX him. If you want revenge the only one stopping you from getting it is you.

like when Agerol helped you lose your assets faster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9gDgUWsplA

essentially stealing my bounty, loot and salvage.

Now, I am all for Pirates making a living by holding stuff for ransom, or scamming people or even killing miners that are dumb enough to flip a can or fire on them

haha, reading this just makes me realise what an incredible game this is; a bit of ninja-ing is part of the game and just one way to make isk, and if somebody bites somites huge amounts of it. You just have to love it when people get upset about it............ it is my mission....my space........ blablabla. This whole thread just made my day, irrespective of the opposing views on what i did and will continue to do

For all EVE is a sandbox which is supposed to allow people to play in whatever way they choose to, there is no area of that box that allows people who choose not to take part in this kind of behaviour themselves to not be vulnerable to it.

Now, I am all for Pirates making a living by holding stuff for ransom, or scamming people or even killing miners that are dumb enough to flip a can or fire on them, but this was flat out stealing with no possible recourse. Is there anything that we can do to deter this type of behavior? You get a suspect flag for stealing from another player's wreck, but not for killing their mission NPC's and, in essence stealing their bounty, loot and salvage. This seems like a flaw in the Crimewatch system.

If you playing Eve and expect things such as honor, respect or a fair and just system, then you are playing the wrong game. If you came to crime and punishment and expect this peanut gallery to care, then your in the wrong forum. Trust me here the victim is always at fault and the rapist is just doing what he wants.

These people have nothing better to do, but to laugh and enjoy your mission molestation. They have no balls in the real world to commit real crime but is OK in a game right! Morality for them is a pretense for dutchbagness, humanitarianism is a lost cause on these fools and they need a good cleaning because their filth is rotting them on the inside. But they just don't know or can't smell their own decaying genitally.

Last time I tried this, all of the ships I destroyed dropped yellow wrecks and loot.

So in some sense they are the mission runners no matter who shoots them. Didn't stop me stealing the contents though.
:-)

Committing a crime in the real world has a very real effect on the victims, it's also socially unacceptable. Committing a virtual crime in a virtual world does not, and in a game that is promoted as a dark, cold harsh universe it is valid and legitimate gameplay. If you can't tell the difference between a real crime in the real world and a virtual crime in a virtual world, then I suggest you seek help.

Dutchbag? Is that a bag filled with a much maligned, mildly narcotic plant based substance?

These people have nothing better to do, but to laugh and enjoy your mission molestation. They have no balls in the real world to commit real crime but is OK in a game right! Morality for them is a pretense for dutchbagness, humanitarianism is a lost cause on these fools and they need a good cleaning because their filth is rotting them on the inside. But they just don't know or can't smell their own decaying genitally.

Wait... Is this still going on?
Anyway, after reading I've decided I'm going to live a good and moral eve life and join the sisters of eve. That and they must all be gagging for it.... Well, one step at a time okay.

Psst, you quoted me as the guy I quoted :P . Fixed:

For all EVE is a sandbox which is supposed to allow people to play in whatever way they choose to, there is no area of that box that allows people who choose not to take part in this kind of behaviour themselves to not be vulnerable to it.

This does bring up an interesting topic....

Some MMO's have PVP free zones or even whole realms (servers) that are PVP free. Since the entire concept of Eve is based on PVP I don't see an additional PVP free server working.

I'm not sure how they would make a PVP free zone work. It would be interesting though.

Reminds me of when I was a young capsuleer in Frarn, Emogranlan or Dodixie. Couldn't tell you all the rage mails, spam fleet invites and private convos I'd get after or during ninja salvaging their loot. They'd get extra bent out of shape when I reply with an invoice for a convenience fee about some bullshit concerning space/environment pollution.

There is a PvP free zone, it's called the test server, no PvP does come at a cost though, no access to the TQ market, no transfers of isk, periodic resets and the builds are, by the nature of the server, tests.

Most of the no PvP in highsec brigade want the best of both worlds, access to a very dynamic, player driven, unregulated market, without the risk.

I believe, although I could be wrong, that whoever gets the last shot or most damage (it's one of the two anyway) has "ownership" of the wreck and loot, but not the salvage.

I am not wining