As a large mining operations foreman, it really starts hurting to move 10million m3 ore more of ore. 6 jumps, pretty much becomes a a road trip through all out of EvE Universe.

The thing that I keep wanting is a highsec version of ore compression. Not as good as rorquals, that would defeat the purpose of having a Rorqual out. What I have in mind is like a foreman tier-cide.

This is what I have in mind.
Orca fit only.
CPU: 250
PG: 500
Slot: High Slot
Skill Required: Same as Rorqual version
Consumption: 50% more than Rorqual Version
Duration: 600/s -> May not be used with-in 400km of a Station/Gate/WormHole/Player Owned Station
Mass Multiplier: 30x
Max Velocity Bonus: -100%

Ore chart:
Ore type-------------Ore Volume----------Batch for compression--------Uncompressed volume-----Compressed Volume----Ratio
Veldspar Brick-------------0.10----------------------------400,000---------------------------40,000m3-------------------2,000m3------------------20
Scordite Brick--------------0.15----------------------------266,664---------------------------39,999.6--------------------1,999.98------------------20
Pyroxeres Brick-----------0.30-----------------------------133,332---------------------------39,999.6--------------------1,999.98------------------20
Plagioclase Brick---------0.35-----------------------------110,000---------------------------38,500.0--------------------1,925.00------------------20
Omber Brick---------------0.60-------------------------------66,000---------------------------39,600.0--------------------3,960.00------------------10
Kernite Brick--------------1.20-------------------------------30,000---------------------------36,000.0---------------------3,960.00-----------------10
Jaspet Brick---------------2.00-------------------------------20,000--------------------------40,000.0---------------------4,000.00------------------10
Hemorphite Brick--------3.00-------------------------------12,000---------------------------36,000.0---------------------3,600.00-----------------10
Hedbergite Brick---------3.00-------------------------------12,000---------------------------36,000.0---------------------3,600.00----------------10
No other ores are compressible

Why: I feel that this will help with logistics of doing large ops, and give the foreman a taste of what the Rorqual will be like, and like for me, give me a reason to look forward to the Rorqual. And at the same time, get the foreman used to downside of activating the module.

This module will not make it profitable for 0.01 iskers, nor for "self refiner and use", users. It will get nullbears to come to highsec to help their null empire, creating competition for highsec ores.

Why don't you come down to nullsec and mine the ore down there? Sorry but anything that promotes MORE pilots carebearing in high sec is BAD. There are enough empty, dead systems in nullsec as it is.

That is a fine and dandy argument, but there is only so much ore to go around, unlike low and null sec.
High-sec doesn't get that nifty ore explosion the more you mine, what we get is what we get. Once it gets mined, out, that's it until reset.

Solo miners already have a hard time getting decent belts in empire space. Even more so now since the Ice changes.

That is a fine and dandy argument, but there is only so much ore to go around, unlike low and null sec.
High-sec doesn't get that nifty ore explosion the more you mine, what we get is what we get. Once it gets mined, out, that's it until reset.

Solo miners already have a hard time getting decent belts in empire space. Even more so now since the Ice changes.

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If mining is already difficult in high sec.. why do you want more competition? How will more competition make it easier for the solo miner to be profitable and get their piece of the pie?

I personally have a self-imposed rule to leave enough ore for solo miners, but other foreman's are not as kind.
I am not too worried about nullbear coming to highsec, since they can get much more in nullsec. But for those that stick, will not be solo miners. :)

I don't want more competition, but I am not blind that this change will create competition. I can see that it will get some nullbears into highsec. Buying high sec ore from the markets, compressing and shipping out to refiners (shipping done by Red frog of course, they need more love.) and over all, will boost ore sales in all of high sec.

Ore doesn't need a boost in high sec. If anything nullsec needs a boost to get you carebears to come down and contribute to infrastructure and industry. How do you know who will be a solo miner and who won't be? And what classifies as "enough" ore for a solo miner? I also don't understand why nullbears would come to highsec when the ABCs are worth more and they already Rorquals down there for compression..

*Balthazar Lestrane scratches his head in confusion.

Want to know what would get miners out to null sec?

Your own attitude in this thread says all I need to know about you and the other people like you. No to your idea, no to risk-free anything and no to moving any benefits of lower security levels to high sec.

You and I both know that the only thing that will get get most carebear miners out of their safe little you-can't-touch-me high security fortress-wonderland is the complete removal of the ability to shoot at them. High sec miners want zero risk and all the benefits of the best ore, and they will continue to kvetch and moan until they get it. You said it yourself above. You want no belt rats, warp scram immunity on your hulls, and you want to mine in the safety of hidden ore belts that require probes to find.

Your own attitude in this thread says all I need to know about you and the other people like you. No to your idea, no to risk-free anything and no to moving any benefits of lower security levels to high sec.

Type-------------------------------------Volume----------Batch --------Uncompressed volume-----Compressed Volume----Ratio
1400mm Howitzer Artilery I----------50m3------------100--------------------154400m3-------------------5000m3-------------30.88

you nullbears just LOVE to blow up bricks

That still requires ores to be refined, then the time needed to create.

And how is that bad?

Go haul 10mill m3 of ore just 6 jumps. Just 6 itty bitty jumps.
Sure I could spend the time to run the missions to up the standings (and I am) but doing that takes time away from munching ore. and time away from munching ore, is lots of isk lost.

Null has been getting boost after boost after boost.
Want to know what would get miners out to null sec? No belt rats, and anom roids hidden, and better scram resistance on a mining exhumers. because some of us, really just want to mine, not pvp, not provide boosts for pvp, some of us really just want to sit, and munch ore.
Even with that, there is so much against miners, the question comes, 'why" Why bother?" Null miners require protection, and for the most part not many null corps will sit and watch miners mine rocks for the same amount of time the miners want to mine rocks.

You nullbears want us industrials to come out and make your systems nice and pretty, but I have a question for you, should these industrialist make isk for themselves, or donate their hard work for the betterment of the systems controlling corp?

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Without risk and consequence this would not be EVE. By all means, continue to carebear in highsec but don't expect anyone to support buffing anything up there.

As well, if you are a member of a corporation/alliance and your only priority is to make ISK for your own wallet, gtfo out and go back to an NPC corp/holding corp. A corporation or alliance is the sum of it's parts and it's no wonder that PvPers don't want to protect selfish little ***** like you. What you fail to understand is that playing escort for miners is an opportunity to pew pew. Sure, a few mining barges may get lost but it provides content for everyone involved and if you actually play smart (literally, just stay aligned FFS) a profit can be made and everyone can walk away happy.

Grab your balls for once and do something worthwhile. Your risk-free farming attitude is the reason that we love blowing up your bricks and filling our jars with your delicious tears.

Your bias is so strong you keep missing the fact that I am stated I was building up to go out, as well as the fact I have not once stated I didn't want any risk while out there.

I understand very well about being a member in a very large Guild and alliance. I have been a co-leader for a Guild in Conquer Online for the past 9 years and some odd months.
I also understand that forced donation to the corp does nothing good for the contributor. All it does is take away the fun and make into into another job that doesn't pay.

Some nullsec and low sec corps are pretty selfesh when it comes to exploitation of miners. You guys lament over the lack of miners, but your own standards and actions create a negative force telling miners stay out, as well as others who want to go out, but know that in doing so they can and most likely will be chewed up and spat out. Those that complain are just told to HTFU. Such negativity tells those who are wanting to step out of highsec, that enjoyment without the bullshit luggage that comes with it is in highsec and it would be better entertainment value. Does this mean every null/low sec corps are like this? No.

I perfectly understand escorts for miners, juicer ships means very good chance for some pew pew, but at the same time, also a chance for no pew pews for 8-10 hours at a time. Get enough no pew pews for 8-10 hours a day, and that escort will start to get thinner and thinner. Somebody might think it will be great to afk and farm the belt rats for tags, sure, that works.

I too got a jar, I put pennies in it. I put a penny in it every time I read some lamentation about lack of miners and lack of players in nullsec. I have to empty the thing pretty often.

You really have no clue how nullsec corps operate, do you.

If you're a miner and you get caught, why weren't you watching intel and POSing up the second a red got within two or three jumps of you like everyone else?

For the larger part, no. I do not. I haven't had the luxury of time to fully experience it.

i like the idea for high sec compression

and for all those that say go mine in 0.0 try and find an alliance that will allow you to just do indy' stuff without showing up for pvp ops

you will find it very hard to fin anyone willing to take you in all 0.0 alliances usually have a rule about showing up for big fleet ops while most high sec indy guys don't give a crap about pvp and try to do everything possible to avoid it

the fact that there are not many miners in 0.0 is not only cause of game mechanics but more the pvp or GTFO mentality in 0.0

and yea the fact that ore sites can be found with on board scanner is ****** up

i like the idea for high sec compression

and for all those that say go mine in 0.0 try and find an alliance that will allow you to just do indy' stuff without showing up for pvp ops

you will find it very hard to fin anyone willing to take you in all 0.0 alliances usually have a rule about showing up for big fleet ops while most high sec indy guys don't give a crap about pvp and try to do everything possible to avoid it

the fact that there are not many miners in 0.0 is not only cause of game mechanics but more the pvp or GTFO mentality in 0.0

and yea the fact that ore sites can be found with on board scanner is ****** up

You and I both know that the only thing that will get get most carebear miners out of their safe little you-can't-touch-me high security fortress-wonderland is the complete removal of the ability to shoot at them. High sec miners want zero risk and all the benefits of the best ore, and they will continue to kvetch and moan until they get it. You said it yourself above. You want no belt rats, warp scram immunity on your hulls, and you want to mine in the safety of hidden ore belts that require probes to find.

Your own attitude in this thread says all I need to know about you and the other people like you. No to your idea, no to risk-free anything and no to moving any benefits of lower security levels to high sec.

Your bias is so strong you keep missing the fact that I am stated I was building up to go out, as well as the fact I have not once stated I didn't want any risk while out there.

Yet you want high sec ore compression introduced so that you can increase your profits in high sec. Doesn't sound like you want to go out to me, you just want a more risk-free environment. NOPE.

There is ore and compressed ore in game. Adding yet a third type, call it "semi-compressed" or whatever, would be a major coding hassle. Face, CCP has enough issues dealing with the EVE code on stuff that really does need to be fixed.

I'd like to see some stations have compression facilities in them, which take up to 25% of the ore they compress. Obviously not the same stations that have refineries.

Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris.........Danika Princip ......are you on another planet .....industrial corps are not welcome in cfc ....get in the pvp fleet of get out that's there attitude and don't tell me any different cause I lived there .....Why do all you people ***** about high sec???? ........................If people wanna live in high and compress ore so what ......you live in null worry bout where you live .............................oooooo they want it to be safe ...we want them to come to null so we can laugh when we blow em up and call em stupid .....wow you people are D*I*CK*H*E*A*D*S

Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris.........Danika Princip ......are you on another planet .....industrial corps are not welcome in cfc ....get in the pvp fleet of get out that's there attitude and don't tell me any different cause I lived there .....Why do all you people ***** about high sec???? ........................If people wanna live in high and compress ore so what ......you live in null worry bout where you live .............................oooooo they want it to be safe ...we want them to come to null so we can laugh when we blow em up and call em stupid .....wow you people are D*I*CK*H*E*A*D*S

I want hsec ore compression to make large mining ops away from the prefect refine station a lot less of a drag having to haul that ore, or when somebody contracts over a lot of ore to me and I need to haul it to my refine stations.
Look up my previous posts, you will clearly see my intentions of getting out of high sec. Like this thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3228977 for example.