Why would anyone that enjoys playing Sandbox Mmo-Rpg's be interested in a Arcade Sci-Fi Multiplayer Game.....

You should be posting this on www.classicgamesarcade.com, this game will definitely bring competition to Wing Commander.

It's not an arcade shooter. It's actually a copy of EVE, but better in some areas. And worst in others.

The few things it has that EVE doesn't is physics, an ability to take out ships parts (engines, nav system, etc.). You can board and shoot everyone on another ship (or you can be shot if they are ready for you). And so on.

But there is a few things it doesn't have that EVE has. I am not going to get into this because the game is coming out in 2015. This means those things can be added.

It's not an arcade shooter. It's actually a copy of EVE, but better in some areas. And worst in others.

The few things it has that EVE doesn't is physics, an ability to take out ships parts (engines, nav system, etc.). You can board and shoot everyone on another ship (or you can be shot if they are ready for you). And so on.

But there is a few things it doesn't have that EVE has. I am not going to get into this because the game is coming out in 2015. This means those things can be added.

It's not an arcade shooter. It's actually a copy of EVE, but better in some areas. And worst in others.

The few things it has that EVE doesn't is physics, an ability to take out ships parts (engines, nav system, etc.). You can board and shoot everyone on another ship (or you can be shot if they are ready for you). And so on.

But there is a few things it doesn't have that EVE has. I am not going to get into this because the game is coming out in 2015. This means those things can be added.

It's not an arcade shooter. It's actually a copy of EVE, but better in some areas. And worst in others.

The few things it has that EVE doesn't is physics, an ability to take out ships parts (engines, nav system, etc.). You can board and shoot everyone on another ship (or you can be shot if they are ready for you). And so on.

But there is a few things it doesn't have that EVE has. I am not going to get into this because the game is coming out in 2015. This means those things can be added.

There is also a PvP toggle, so it doesn't actually compare to EVE at all. It will essentially be a single player game.

You just don't like anything EvE related do you...? Everythings a threat to EvE, you don't like the EvE character creation yada yada yada. Why do you bother playing still?

When you search EVE vs Star Citizen you will find a lot of people ask if it's a threat. I am just pointing out that that's a stupid question.


Anyways, I like EVE. But like almost everyone. I don't like some of the things in EVE. So I won't be brown nosing it any time soon, and I could leave if they do a 180 on what I like.

There is also a PvP toggle, so it doesn't actually compare to EVE at all. It will essentially be a single player game.

Why does some peculiar individuals continue to imply that Star Citizen will compete with EVE when Star Citizen is, at best, two years from being a finished product?

Here is the hard facts about Star Citizen:

It may be good, or not. But it is not EVE.
It bears closer resemble to the *lancer games and the X games. But again, not EVE.

To be realistic and truthful, the problem with EvE is it's too unconventional in gaming itself. It's why it's niche, not so much about it's game play or mechanics. #1 thing that's different is the movement controls, no WASD (or even Asian style of point and click). That's the norm in PC gaming, and even a diehard EvE fan will admit to that.

Unconventional = non mainstream. Not mainstream it won't be popular.

Star Citizen can appeal to the mainstream because it'll have PC norm controls and the features players are used too, no matter what genre they play.

And it's about time, because what players want is a sci-fi game that's not Star Wars nor Star Trek and have to live by their canon. More free to set it's own course, and players can customize their toon as they prefer it.

I'm iffy about it because of it's game play, and what I play MMOs for (Tradeskilling), for that SC is pretty tame. But for the casual wanting to spend 2hrs a night on a space themed game, it'll do.

That's the problem for EvE, as that player EvE needs to grow will be split. Folks can see what all these newer MMOs have done with WoW, it slowly bleeds players. The main base of players are consoles now, and any PC game that attracts other PC gamers is going to have an affect on the other PC game, as there's fewer PC gamers. So yes, EvE's numbers can/will reflect it every time a vet leaves and another new player doesn't fill that slot (especially if this player base believes they're so expendable and scare them away).

If SC becomes popular and draws EvE players to it, or who otherwise had no choice but to play EvE, EvE will start to resemble DUST as it is now.

Can't buck convention if you want a game to last. EvE lasted as there wasn't any direct competition. MMOs are being competed against directly now, no matter what genre. That's what's different today than in 2008 (when the first wave of MMO "killers" came out after the 2004 generation). Either innovate or be similar or there's not much holding power to invest in, as MMOs are long games and players don't want to invest in games that feel or behave so differently.

it's still too many "what if?"s for a game that is still way beyond the horizon.

The main base of players are consoles now, and any PC game that attracts other PC gamers is going to have an affect on the other PC game, as there's fewer PC gamers.

That's exactly what everyone thought in 2004 - The MMO market is saturated and new MMO's will just leech off existing ones as there won't be any new MMO players.

Then WoW got released and increased the number of MMO players roughly tenfold in the years following it's release.

Just saying, i had to comment on this little bit. It's a dangerous assumption to think that there will be no new PC players when the PC is still the most widespread platform in the world (~500 million+ users).

I'll wait till ign reviews it, and gives it a 10 before picking it up.

rabble rabble

Let us be realistic then, at the moment Chris Roberts pretty much sound just like a Peter Molyneux 2.0; talks a lot, promises a lot and has yet to actually to deliver on his promises all in the meantime he continues to ask for more money and build up hype. And to be fair, what he has revealed so far is frankly nothing besides Star Citizen being a mission runner' wet dream with no risks.

But that isn't what is annoying me, what is annoying me is this nerdrage from people like you over something that is basically at this stage nothing but a a concept with a few trailers, a few ships that you can already buy and the game is two years away (however unlikely) to be a finished product.

I am going to call it right now and say that Star Citizen is going to get delayed. Why? Because it is profitable.

the **** are you talking about?? this is the eve-o forums, reason and rationale is left outside!

Much like the Portuguese parliament right?

Let us be realistic then, at the moment Chris Roberts pretty much sound just like a Peter Molyneux 2.0; talks a lot, promises a lot and has yet to actually to deliver on his promises all in the meantime he continues to ask for more money and build up hype. And to be fair, what he has revealed so far is frankly nothing besides Star Citizen being a mission runner' wet dream with no risks.

Let us be realistic then, at the moment Chris Roberts pretty much sound just like a Peter Molyneux 2.0; talks a lot, promises a lot and has yet to actually to deliver on his promises all in the meantime he continues to ask for more money and build up hype.

And to be fair, what he has revealed so far is frankly nothing besides Star Citizen being a mission runner' wet dream with no risks.

The part of this whole EVE Killer thing I don't get is where everyone predicts an exodus.

There have been some games that everyone says will pull lots of EVE Players like Black Prophecy, World of Tanks and SWOTOR and they are right, they do...

...And pretty much no one cancels their EVE Accounts. It is like the concept of playing more than one game is lost on people here.

There is also a PvP toggle, so it doesn't actually compare to EVE at all. It will essentially be a single player game.

Star citizen has only graphics, nothing more

You Missed...

multi-crew ships.
Skill based combat

and all the features that aren't yet definied.

Sooo I can just keep cruising if I don't want pvp and they can't force it upon me \0/ hooray for star citizen.

Take that Goons!

EVE: 10 years of development work; product status: actually exists; market status: expanding subscriber base

Star Citizen: Airy promises offering everything that everyone wants; product status: vaporware; market status: you can donate!

Sadly, CCP can only sell EVE on what it actually does. The Star Citizen team operate under no such constraint. It's an MMO to people who want an EVE replacement, it's not an MMO to people who don't. It will have amazing this and multiplayer that and co-op the other and and and and...

Promises are cheap; code is expensive. I'll be interested to see what they actually deliver.

EVE: 10 years of development work; product status: actually exists; market status: expanding subscriber base

Star Citizen: Airy promises offering everything that everyone wants; product status: vaporware; market status: you can donate!

Sadly, CCP can only sell EVE on what it actually does. The Star Citizen team operate under no such constraint. It's an MMO to people who want an EVE replacement, it's not an MMO to people who don't. It will have amazing this and multiplayer that and co-op the other and and and and...

Promises are cheap; code is expensive. I'll be interested to see what they actually deliver.

This is sort of like comparing circuit racing such as F1, Indy & NASCAR to the NHRA. While you can certainly make a case to compare any of the former three, there is not much in common with the NHRA other than it is a type of racing.

Sure, SC will be an MMO of sorts with in-game economies and yadda yadda but at the end of the day it is still a twitch based fighter sim MMO and will appeal largely to a different crowd than EvE does.

I am a proud Kickstarter Backer for it and will simply wait.

Worst case scenario I will lose 20$ , middle ground scenario I get a new shiny game to play for a couple months and ...

Best case scenario I will have a SECOND MMO to call home when I am bored of the puerile talk in the ingame channels and people complaining about their ex-wives, lack of women, lack of sex, horrendous grammar in at least two languages, racism, Latinamerica versus Spain, sexually confused teenagers posing as adult men, guys that share strange ****, people confessing to pseudo-illegal sex habits and whatnot ... sometimes I wonder why I go into SPANISH, but then, some cool people there ... MINING is a bit more lively, with the free bounties and tranny pics, but I am derailing ...

But yes, when I am a bit bored of EVE I hope I can jump into SC and do something interesting.

Yes. Piloting my own ship would be a huge improvement over the way EVE ships move. Dots in space with heading

...as there's fewer PC gamers.