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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:48:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
If there is an eve-wide mineral shortage, why on earth would we throw away a strategic advantage by supplying minerls to our enemies?
PS, your estimate of nullsec population is out by a couple of orders of magnitude.
Malc. The 2 holes at the top of your head must be used first.
That's what I said...
And as for my "estimate", it's EXACTLY what I'd expect you to do. That's what I am HOPING for.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
21
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:49:00 -
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Two problems:
1. People who gank aren't miners.
2. People who can overcome personal greed for a common goal aren't miners. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
969
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:54:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Isogen is limited to 2 roid types. Kernite, found in Amarr space 0.7 and below, and Omber in Minmatar and Gallente 0.7 and below. GǪand that is why a miners' blockade on iso will have no effect: because they're not the primary (or even secondary) producers.
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David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 12:01:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Red Templar wrote:How do you plan to enforce embargo for any significant amount of time?
Huge coalitions has a gaps when trying to gank only in few selected systems. And keep in mind, most of those gankers are experts in what they do.
How do you actually propose to embargo all highsec systems, with only a few carebear miners, who support this action, and who cannot sustain this kind of blockade for long. For them, ruining their security standing has much bigger consequences, since they want to continue living in high-sec. And who is going to pay for their losses during absolutely glorious miner on miner gankogeddon? You?
In the first few days people will loose security standing, and then, since they dont have organized bases, poses, logistic centers, it will all break down.
And dont get me wrong. I may think that this whole idea is stupid and ridiculous, but i still think it will be funny to see what you will be able to do. Just for the kicks, just to see what happens. Thats why we play the game, right? Highsec miners outnumber G**ns currently doing ice interdiction ops. I know, I went and counted you G**ns today. And that same trip to Gallente ice today also showed the effectiveness of your campaign. Isogen is limited to 2 roid types. Kernite, found in Amarr space 0.7 and below, and Omber in Minmatar and Gallente 0.7 and below. A concerted effort can be effective - granted, only if the majority of highsec miners join. 1) Most should refuse to mine in support for those 2 types and those that do must be stopped. 2) Blockading major hubs (we only want the Isogen transports) can be accomplished both by miners themselves, their alts or new 10 day alts. Don't discount using merc corps either. 3) Failing that, simply buying up and holding stock will also drive the prices up. It's quite obvious that this NEEDS miners to participate. If not then they have only themselves to blame.
you seem to forget the hidden omber deposits that do spawn all over high sec and also you forget the omber roids that also spawn in mission dungeons.
Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
752
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Posted - 2011.10.25 12:37:00 -
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BTW, 2 of my characters can fly Hulks, and Malc can also do a perfectly competent mining Rokh with T2 mining lasers and mining upgrades tyvm. (I am veteran enough to remember when you could make a good living mining Crokite). As late as Winter 2008, I occasionally shot Arkanor rocks.
Am I therefore a "miner" eligible to participate in this campaign of Apostle-ApprovedGäó hi-sec ganking?
If not, please make the qualifications explicit for the benefit of all.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
752
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Posted - 2011.10.25 12:40:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote:
If there is an eve-wide mineral shortage, why on earth would we throw away a strategic advantage by supplying minerls to our enemies?
PS, your estimate of nullsec population is out by a couple of orders of magnitude.
Malc. The 2 holes at the top of your head must be used first. That's what I said... And as for my "estimate", it's EXACTLY what I'd expect you to do. That's what I am HOPING for.
You'd expect me to point out that tens of thousands of players live in 0.0? If not, then I'm confused.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 12:48:00 -
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the only way to force a change in eve online is to unsub.
Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
69
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:02:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote:
If there is an eve-wide mineral shortage, why on earth would we throw away a strategic advantage by supplying minerls to our enemies?
PS, your estimate of nullsec population is out by a couple of orders of magnitude.
Malc. The 2 holes at the top of your head must be used first. That's what I said... And as for my "estimate", it's EXACTLY what I'd expect you to do. That's what I am HOPING for.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
No but seriously, why isogen over something else like mexallon? |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
95
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:32:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
YES MINERS! STOP SUICIDE GANKERS BY SUICIDE GANKING!
I endorse this product and or service..
Try reading the posts before you start shouting. You might just have a reason not to say anything at all.
But then I wouldn't be able to hear the sound of my own voice, and I would be sad 
But seriously, I don't understand why you are against Insurance payouts for gankers. When does it stop? Will you be calling for no insurance for pirates that engage under gate guns next? Or insurance payouts in null because really, what insurance company would insure a car that hangs out in the space version of Papua New Guinnea?
Dissagree with WHY you want miners to suicide gank, but endorse any act of suicide ganking 
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:39:00 -
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Bad plan. Are you getting so lazy you want the miners to start ganking themselves now?
The embargo would be fun to see happen, but since only a tiny percentage of players read the forums it would never work. In addition, since players have no apparent willpower when it comes to not selling out for ISK at every turn, it would fall apart as soon as one player sold their tritanium stash.
I like the idea, but you are asking EvE players to be disciplined....LOL. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:58:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:
And dont get me wrong. I may think that this whole idea is stupid and ridiculous, but i still think it will be funny to see what you will be able to do. Just for the kicks, just to see what happens. Thats why we play the game, right?
Highsec miners outnumber G**ns currently doing ice interdiction ops. I know, I went and counted you G**ns today. And that same trip to Gallente ice today also showed the effectiveness of your campaign.
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Not at all shocking that you don't understand how statistics and sample sizes work. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
438
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:04:00 -
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So how is the revolution going? |
Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:37:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Veronica Kerrigan wrote:So wait, you are advocating something that would make the Drone Russians even more money than they already are. Makes perfect sense to me... Bingo. They got it anyway. They got vast wealth anyway. We can't stop them. So let's **** over the ones who haven't got it. Make THEM vulnerable. Watch the change.
So wait, I want to make sure I have this correct. You are doing something to make the most powerful group of the players even more powerful than they already are? Seems rather counter intuitive to make the PvPers you are trying to "teach a lesson" also be the only people with enough isogen to continue doing what they are doing uninterupted.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
330
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:51:00 -
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ATTENTION ALL MINERS -
If you die to a suicide ganker, its your own fault.
You have a directional scanner - you click it, and it tells you who is nearby. If you're in a belt, there should not be Brutix's nearby, or thrasher gangs.
If you're mining, stay aligned. If you see stuff on close range scan, just WARP OUT.
This is a simple method, no CCP fix needed, no goon removal needed.
For Chribba's sake, simply warp the eff out if attackers are warping to you. It's that simple - no yiffs, aunts,or butts.
This technique is 100% foolproof - there is no excuse for you to die to a suicide attack unless you are too lazy to use your scanner. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
39
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:55:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:ATTENTION ALL MINERS -
If you die to a suicide ganker, its your own fault.
You have a directional scanner - you click it, and it tells you who is nearby. If you're in a belt, there should not be Brutix's nearby, or thrasher gangs.
If you're mining, stay aligned. If you see stuff on close range scan, just WARP OUT.
This is a simple method, no CCP fix needed, no goon removal needed.
For Chribba's sake, simply warp the eff out if attackers are warping to you. It's that simple - no yiffs, aunts,or butts.
This technique is 100% foolproof - there is no excuse for you to die to a suicide attack unless you are too lazy to use your scanner.
QFT, you can also do something as daunting as add known gankers to your contacts with negative standings, if you see a local spike of known gankers it's time to gtfo and can get you out before the scanner even tells you they are on you.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
25
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:04:00 -
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Diomedes Calypso wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Why does everyone say grow some balls?
Seriously ever had them and get kicked by them. they hurt.
Grow what the girls have, at least that thing takes a pounding. :P
Now onto your slight problem
Do you know what would happen if miners stopped mining rocks?
TBH about nothing major almost.
As one to put it, the worst problem with miners that they're competing against those who mine with thier guns. I don't understand why people couldn't just go into a post apocolptic mode for a month or two and play the game in an entirely different way.. wouldn't that be exciting as heck to have ablsolutely everything turned askew until new solutions were sorted out... perhaps broad player coalitions creating safe pockets etc.
"Who runs Bartertown?"  |
Russell Casey
One Ton
48
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:07:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:ATTENTION ALL MINERS -
If you die to a suicide ganker, its your own fault.
You have a directional scanner - you click it, and it tells you who is nearby. If you're in a belt, there should not be Brutix's nearby, or thrasher gangs.
If you're mining, stay aligned. If you see stuff on close range scan, just WARP OUT.
This is a simple method, no CCP fix needed, no goon removal needed.
For Chribba's sake, simply warp the eff out if attackers are warping to you. It's that simple - no yiffs, aunts,or butts.
This technique is 100% foolproof - there is no excuse for you to die to a suicide attack unless you are too lazy to use your scanner.
The gaping hole in your logic is the assumption the miner is at his computer while mining. Mining is the "I want to make my isk the way I train my skills" profession.
Also, much as I would like to see a unified effort just because conflict makes a game more fun, those who are plugging away in highsec in NPC corps are doing so precisely because they DON'T want to interact with the greater community. And most miners are just alts anyway. You don't hear "I'm a miner" as much as you hear" I have a miner." |
Rawls Canardly
Phoenix Confederation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:16:00 -
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Thread summary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEg4F9csPzo |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:24:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:FORCE THE CHANGE
Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.
Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.
Effective start date - 1 November.
Follow these 3 steps.
1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.
Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.
NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.
Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.
OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.
Game on....
EDITS:
G&&ns will be assisting in this campaign. USE this...
We stand to lose nothing. We fail, the status quo remains. Stay the course.
Honestly, if all of the miners formed a union of sorts, they can wage an economic war of such impact that supers in high sec and no concord could barely match.
Trouble is, there's always that type who will think it's their open door to mine some more, and the bots which are basically machines.
Unions have a lot of clout because they do attack picket busters. So miners who strike and go ganking other miners who don't honor the strike would have an effect.
If that can be pulled off, it would be a game changer.
I would recommend that it not be done via an in-game alliance. Perhaps a more "goon like" method of basing the organization outside of the game?
I best stock up on ammo now...
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
70
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:29:00 -
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Red Templar wrote:So, do i understand correctly, that you want to fight suicide ganking and force CCP to remove it, but actively using suicide ganking anyone who isnt greeing with your policy? Wait... wha? I think you should fight against real life suicide by committing real life suicide. You know. Just to show your devotion to the CAUSE! This way entire world would benefit from your *wisdom* not just some game. 
OW! My brain!! |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
147
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:35:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:In this thread, The Apostle, the raving nobody egomaniac that he is, forms up another attention whoring thread to get everyone to laugh at him.
Or entirely misses the point of the Ice Interdiction.
My money is on Yes.
not empty posting
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Silent Lamb
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:59:00 -
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this is hilarious. I think it's ironic that after making such valid points in another forum topic of this same idea it depresses me that the subject has just moved onto new open topics. I mean, why can't people admit they can personally do things to mitigate their own risks to not get suicide ganked?
there are so many ways for miners to mitigate their losses, I've stated i don't know how many time in various places. Miners that get suicide ganked on a regular basis need to move away from where they're doing their stuff and spread out so that there's not such a higher concentration of them.
I'm an industrialist. I mine. I have 3 hulk pilots on separate accounts. I also have an orca pilot. none of them have been ganked for about/over 4 years. if I can do it so can they. oh, by the way, I'm in high sec, in an entire constellation where there are almost never more than 2 to 3 other individual people. we each have about 4 or 5 toons and stay in separate systems that we mine in. when hulkageddon rolls around we each stick 1 alt toon in the outside systems (there's 3 of them) while we stick to the center of the constellation with our mining toons (yes, we consolidate to 1 system) and we also don't fly hulks during hulkageddon. funny thing... our constellation isn't the only one like that in high sec. there's quite a few, you just have to go find them. now people pass through, yeah, but other than the random person going through, it's incredibly quiet.
over 90% of all suicide ganks take place within 3 jumps of the major hubs. less than 3% of all suicide ganks take place outside 6 jumps from the major hubs. if you don't believe me do the math yourself.
I will continue to mine and do industry, and so will the people I hang out in that constellation with. I have contacted several people with alliances capable of quite a bit of industry that live outside of high sec. they will also not be supporting the OP's cause. our reason for not supporting the OP's cause is that there are many things high sec miners can do to mitigate their losses that they deliberately choose not to do.
gankers, I currently have 400 destroyers in the oven, 100 for each race. I am a lone person, only capable of so much... but I will do what I can. oh, I also have 2800 t1 small turrets (700 small pulse, 700 small autocannon, and 1400 blaster) that are also in the oven. I already have tens of millions of ammo to replenish the major hubs with when needed. I started on it about 2 weeks ago.
oh yeah, to everyone - only fly what you can afford to lose. I do.
Where are they taking the hobbits?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=VznlDlNPw4Q |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:12:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:
Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.
As butthurt as you are, your arse must be like 50% scar tissue and you really should see a doctor about that.
10/19 2011 - never forget the 20%
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Cipher Jones
102
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:48:00 -
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EvEa Deva wrote:Ice Ice baby
Under Pressure.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
destiny2
Sickle Moon
Intrepid Crossing
14
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:27:00 -
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I kinda wish those who complain would realise EVE is only a game. If you take it as RL and have to Carebear around thro this RL fantasy you Fail! |
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