Do you ever stop posting terrible, terrible posts?

FORCE THE CHANGE

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.

NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.

Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.

OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.

Game on....

Oh...on a side note...to all the PvPers which reading in here...what do you think would happen if nobody would mine out of a sudden?

Just beeing curious about the input from yours

This is blasphemy! This is madness!

Why does everyone say grow some balls?

Seriously ever had them and get kicked by them. they hurt.

Grow what the girls have, at least that thing takes a pounding. :P

Now onto your slight problem

Do you know what would happen if miners stopped mining rocks?
TBH about nothing major almost.
As one to put it, the worst problem with miners that they're competing against those who mine with thier guns.

Oh...on a side note...to all the PvPers which reading in here...what do you think would happen if nobody would mine out of a sudden?

Just beeing curious about the input from yours

i endorse the apostles plan to have miners gank each other, a++

i endorse the apostles plan to have miners gank each other, a++

I agree with Dear Leader, this would entertaining as hell to watch.

Now that would be your dream result wouldn't it?

Watching them turn on each other in a furious hatred filled rage.

If that happens, you will truly have won EVE.

I agree with Dear Leader, this would entertaining as hell to watch.

FORCE THE CHANGE

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

so, fight the goons by helping them ?

/facepalm

I SEEK G**n assiatnce.

This followed by no concurring action in game. Since most people do not read the forums and the ones who do, don't check everyday the word never spreads because no one does the leg work.

Then there are the Miners who don't care as well as the bots who will continue to supply people if even 10% listened to this idea.

All together this equals only one thing. Thread number 352 about how the Miners are gonna stick it to the Gankers. Gonna work this time. For Realsies.

God Help me I love it.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Game on....

Umm yeh so was number 3 your true objective by chance ?

The correct actions are as follows.

1) Mine every belt dry.
2) Don't sell anything.
3) Wait for the screams
4) Sell for profit.

Do you ever stop posting terrible, terrible posts?

Yes. Let's join the fracas and help bring the economy to it's knees.

I SEEK Goon assiatnce. WITH their help it will show a glaring anomaly on the part of highsec ganking and force a change.

Ofc, you can sit there all die and cry into your beer or you can pick up the glass and smash some faces. You in?

lol Vric your still alive lol?

FORCE THE CHANGE

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.

NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.

Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.

OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.

Game on....

This is blasphemy! This is madness!

Economy 101: the miners that don't agree with this, will just have even more of an incentive (increased demand = increased profit) to keep doing what they're doing.

At 40% you will stop dots until then you will throw moar dots

throw more dots

more dots

more dots

come on more dots

OK sotp dots.

now hit it very hard. And very fast.

Hey apostle, have you ever actually been to highsec? Going from your posts I'm going to assume you haven't.

You may not be aware of this, but most highsec PVE and industry players live in a little world of their own where they are the only people and nothing matters except generating isk so they can get better at generating isk, often with the long term goal of moving into null/wormholes so that they can generate more isk. Even if miners read the forums, which most of them clearly don't from how many people get killed mining during various ganking events they are too self-interested and too locked into their patterns to do anything other than either mine or sit docked.

Moreover, it's highsec, almost every alliance and corp leader is too egotistical and self-assured to co-operate with eachother, even within the same alliance, each alliance executor and each CEO is too busy trying to tied up in the internal power struggle and trying to maintain control of his tiny little kingdom to actually do anything. The PVP corps aren't too far removed from this either, god knows I'm not interested in doing anything I'm not doing currently and the faction BS/neutral RR dickwaving contests are aplenty right now.

I don't even know who you think would actually do this, my only explaination is that you're even more detached from what is really happening in the game world as that miner who takes his 3 mack alts into a gallente ice belt later tonight then posts a thread about how concord needs a buff and that goons are going to kill the game.

Hey apostle, have you ever actually been to highsec? Going from your posts I'm going to assume you haven't.

I don't even know who you think would actually do this, my only explaination is that you're even more detached from what is really happening in the game world as that miner who takes his 3 mack alts into a gallente ice belt later tonight then posts a thread about how concord needs a buff and that goons are going to kill the game.

I have spent considerable time (2 years?) in highsec. As of yesterday I sold all of my mining assets (totalling several 100 million) as a personal start in this campaign.

But let me make this clear. THINKING miners MUST unite - once and for all.

We can all sit forever and cry into our beer screaming for Concord buffs yadda ya. As has been PROVEN time and time again, it requires action - NOT more rhetoric and whining. Using the G**current campaign is perfect timing and is both the catalyst and the reason to act.

But it will HELP US. Think beyond YOUR isk. Miners have been telling people that they're NEEDED for years and years.

So PROVE IT....

STOP mining AND withhold supply. Let the non-indy's burn the market down chasing ships/mods and ammo. We're seeing the effects of the G**ns campaign - embargo/interdiction works.

Let's ADD to the carnage. It's not about YOU - it's about US...

A little new here, so I'm not understanding what the chain of cause and effect should be here. Why isogen? And if only that, why not mine other things? And how should the suicide gankers be affected by this?

So wait, you are advocating something that would make the Drone Russians even more money than they already are. Makes perfect sense to me...

So I hear us forum trolls are supposed to be playing Childish games amongst ourselves.

Er, uh, anyone up for some Heroclix?

This is a stupid plan. No organized group has the resources to enforce the embargo game-wide, and besides you can get isogen from reprocessing mission loot. People who enjoy mining would be paying a sub to NOT enjoy their playstyle of choice (however questionable their taste)... what, for the sake of winning The Apostle's political argument?

Are you even aware of the other people posting in a thread Apostle or what? It seems to me like you're just talking into the air towards some imaginary crowd of people that aren't really there. You're also obviously off your rocker and have massive delusions of grandeur.

GDs are characterized by fantastical beliefs that one is famous, omnipotent, wealthy, or otherwise very powerful.

This is a stupid plan. No organized group has the resources to enforce the embargo game-wide, and besides you can get isogen from reprocessing mission loot. People who enjoy mining would be paying a sub to NOT enjoy their playstyle of choice (however questionable their taste)... what, for the sake of winning The Apostle's political argument?

Lets be honest real people don't mine. True builders buy their minerals. Also Isogen? Seriously? Could've picked a better mineral to embargo.

Note how I said real people.

If actual people are mining they should be blown up for their own good. Mining is dumb.

If actual people are mining they should be blown up for their own good. Mining is dumb.

I don't understand why people couldn't just go into a post apocolptic mode for a month or two and play the game in an entirely different way.. wouldn't that be exciting as heck to have ablsolutely everything turned askew until new solutions were sorted out... perhaps broad player coalitions creating safe pockets etc.

It amazes me how many mentally ill people play EVE.

Cool man go mine for the next couple of months. It could be exciting as heck. Right????

That's not nice. I'm sure people mine for other reasons than being mentally ill.

I doubt that.

Although I was actually talking about Apostle. I'm always amazed that people as demented as him can even operate a computer and the frequency that people like that occur in EVE is even more amazing. I remember getting evemails from my spy in a corp I decced in which some lunatic completely spazzed out and declared that my corp is a front for TEST or something. Where do all these lunatics come from?

That's not the only time my war targets have declared that we're the front for some nullsec folks either, it happens constantly.

There seem to be three major flavours of crazy in EVE, paranoid spaceship conspiracy theorists, people who declare themselves to the the king of space as appointed by god and who must be obeyed for some reason and the intenet messiahs blessed with divine knowledge that will deliver the space jews to the promised land.

That's an interesting sentiment comming from someone who constantly posts entierly made up nonsense whilst trying to come across as some sort of EVE mega-genuis who is the one who has all the real answers despite the fact that you clearly don't have a clue about anything you're talking about.

YEAH you silly HIGH SEC MINERS stop TEH MINING and CHOKE THE MARKET.

YEAH NO WAY THIS CAN GO WRONG...

unless....

unless the BIGGEST CAREBEARS IN EVE the ones in DULLSEC happen to KEEP ON MINING everything including ICE IN ALL IT'S GLORY.

even worse if they have HUNDREDS OF BOTS ON THE GO.

HAS THIS REALLY BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH?!?


capslok button: leave it alone.

Wow, I don't think I could make a comment that vapid if I tried. There's literally nothing there.

It's just "OH GOD HOW DO I COME ACROSS AS BEING DEEP AND PHILOSOPHICAL!? I KNOW POST MEANINGLESS PLATITUDES"

How the **** did I get under your skin so easily?

And you call ME crazy?

In this thread, The Apostle, the raving nobody egomaniac that he is, forms up another attention whoring thread to get everyone to laugh at him.

Or entirely misses the point of the Ice Interdiction.

My money is on Yes.

We are all crazy. For playing this game and visiting these forums. Yes myself included.

3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Thats never going to happen because of 3 reasons
1) Im sure many mining characters have quite poor combat skills
2) Who actually is a dedicated miners but also PvPs? (Im not talking about someone with an alt that mines/does industry because its easier than running a mission or incursion while your trying to PvP)
3) MIners who mine to buy a better mining ship to mine faster to buy a better mining ship, when they get the best ship all they do is print money and never spend it except on mining crystals and the drones they lose to rats (if they lose any)

Did I? I wonder.

I might be one of two things G**n.

1) Really stupid. So trolling is your best offense - albeit wasted on me because I'm too stupid to notice or care,

or

2) Really clever and trolling is your only defense because I'm playing you and you don't know it.

We've already done with some of our members offering public bounties for dead miners in the Interdiction Zone: tossing pennies at the hisec rabble and watching them slaughter each other over their greed.

You raise an interesting concept Apostle. Do you have the charisma to sell your idea to the miners of New Eden?

I say unsub unless pvp is stopped! It isnt fair to explode someoene else's ships anymore, please please please make Eve online a single player game, or possibly just sharded so that people can FINALLY be safe!

Oh, sorry, not sure what came over me then, what I meant to say was bring it on...

Suicide ganking (while somethign I find incredibly dull and boring) is a valid in game activity, teh only change to this should be that it invalidates insurance, simply because that is common sense.

FORCE THE CHANGE

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.

NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.

Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.

OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.

Game on....

EDITS:
G&&ns will be assisting in this campaign. USE this...
We stand to lose nothing. We fail, the status quo remains. Stay the course.

Oh...on a side note...to all the PvPers which reading in here...what do you think would happen if nobody would mine out of a sudden?

Just beeing curious about the input from yours

The more you type the more i think, goon alt.

Oh...on a side note...to all the PvPers which reading in here...what do you think would happen if nobody would mine out of a sudden?

Just beeing curious about the input from yours

Then we'd do some drone sanctums, get enough minerals to build a couple of dozen cruisers in an hour, use those to make T2 and T3 cruisers and happily carry on.


Oh, sorry, did you think you were irreplaceably essential to my game?

So, do i understand correctly, that you want to fight suicide ganking and force CCP to remove it, but actively using suicide ganking anyone who isnt greeing with your policy? Wait... wha?

I think you should fight against real life suicide by committing real life suicide. You know. Just to show your devotion to the CAUSE! This way entire world would benefit from your *wisdom* not just some game.

Gasp. Go ratting to get minerals. To make T2 and T3? Might need to check your blueprints.

Besides, G**ns are going to stuff up T2 production, not miners.

But yes, we are very important. Given that there may be some truth to the rumour that drones were gonna lose their minerals?

Over to you.......

Actually no, don't bother. If I told you water was wet you'd argue with me. Fairly predictable mutterings.

FORCE THE CHANGE
Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Contract all Isogen to Akrasjel Lanate.

If the situation changes I'll adapt to the changed situation.

Luckily, even if drones stop dropping minerals there are vast amounts of (largely unused) belts yielding all mineral types in 0.0

People used to mine there, you know.

Cool

Got it in one Einstein.

If, combined with the G**ns campaign, prices go through the roof and inflation spirals, it won't be the miners complaining. Because ganking is quite "legal" and "part of the game", let's call the bluff and use that mechanic and force the issue. G**ns either have to back off or help make it all come true.

This is THINK space G**n. It's not an everyday topic for you to be involved in. It's beyond your capabilites.

And the second comment should be reported but since you're a G$$n a certain amount of leeway must be granted for your stupidity.

FORCE THE CHANGE

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.

NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.

Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.

OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.

Game on....

EDITS:
G&&ns will be assisting in this campaign. USE this...
We stand to lose nothing. We fail, the status quo remains. Stay the course.

FORCE THE CHANGE

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.

NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.

Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.

OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.

Game on....

EDITS:
G&&ns will be assisting in this campaign. USE this...
We stand to lose nothing. We fail, the status quo remains. Stay the course.

Everyone would still have minerals due to 76% (according to the last QEN, IIRC) of them coming from the Drone Regions.

well if miners actually did down tools the russians would just install more bots. i doubt we will ever see your idea happen.

YES MINERS! STOP SUICIDE GANKERS BY SUICIDE GANKING!

I endorse this product and or service..

The Russians wouldn't bother and secondly I am sure I heard that drone minerals are going. THIS is why it is the perfect time.

sure they would if it meant a tidy profit from controlling the mineral markets

Derived from what?

Keep qualifying my arguments mate, I implore you.

A few hundred 0.0 dwellers will mine for themselves (imagine 0.0 turning into miners!!) and highsec - about 80% of the playerbase will go hang. Think you can supply them all?

How do you plan to enforce embargo for any significant amount of time?

Huge coalitions has a gaps when trying to gank only in few selected systems. And keep in mind, most of those gankers are experts in what they do.

How do you actually propose to embargo all highsec systems, with only a few carebear miners, who support this action, and who cannot sustain this kind of blockade for long. For them, ruining their security standing has much bigger consequences, since they want to continue living in high-sec. And who is going to pay for their losses during absolutely glorious miner on miner gankogeddon? You?
In the first few days people will loose security standing, and then, since they dont have organized bases, poses, logistic centers, it will all break down.

And dont get me wrong. I may think that this whole idea is stupid and ridiculous, but i still think it will be funny to see what you will be able to do. Just for the kicks, just to see what happens. Thats why we play the game, right?

This is blasphemy! This is madness!


Also, won't work, wrong mineral, and seriously just let the Goons have their fun, skip mining ice and seriously mining hasn't been dented beyond ice mining in a couple of systems by their actions.

This is a phase that'll pass, and then we'll see whining about something else.

If there is an eve-wide mineral shortage, why on earth would we throw away a strategic advantage by supplying minerls to our enemies?

PS, your estimate of nullsec population is out by a couple of orders of magnitude.

Isogen is limited to 2 roid types. Kernite, found in Amarr space 0.7 and below, and Omber in Minmatar and Gallente 0.7 and below.

Highsec miners outnumber G**ns currently doing ice interdiction ops. I know, I went and counted you G**ns today. And that same trip to Gallente ice today also showed the effectiveness of your campaign.

Isogen is limited to 2 roid types. Kernite, found in Amarr space 0.7 and below, and Omber in Minmatar and Gallente 0.7 and below. A concerted effort can be effective - granted, only if the majority of highsec miners join.

1) Most should refuse to mine in support for those 2 types and those that do must be stopped.
2) Blockading major hubs (we only want the Isogen transports) can be accomplished both by miners themselves, their alts or new 10 day alts. Don't discount using merc corps either.
3) Failing that, simply buying up and holding stock will also drive the prices up.

It's quite obvious that this NEEDS miners to participate. If not then they have only themselves to blame.

Malc. The 2 holes at the top of your head must be used first.

That's what I said...

And as for my "estimate", it's EXACTLY what I'd expect you to do. That's what I am HOPING for.

Malc. The 2 holes at the top of your head must be used first.

That's what I said...

And as for my "estimate", it's EXACTLY what I'd expect you to do. That's what I am HOPING for.

Try reading the posts before you start shouting.

You might just have a reason not to say anything at all.

And dont get me wrong. I may think that this whole idea is stupid and ridiculous, but i still think it will be funny to see what you will be able to do. Just for the kicks, just to see what happens. Thats why we play the game, right?

Bingo.

They got it anyway. They got vast wealth anyway. We can't stop them.

So let's **** over the ones who haven't got it.

Make THEM vulnerable. Watch the change.

ATTENTION ALL MINERS -

If you die to a suicide ganker, its your own fault.

You have a directional scanner - you click it, and it tells you who is nearby. If you're in a belt, there should not be Brutix's nearby, or thrasher gangs.

If you're mining, stay aligned. If you see stuff on close range scan, just WARP OUT.

This is a simple method, no CCP fix needed, no goon removal needed.

For Chribba's sake, simply warp the eff out if attackers are warping to you. It's that simple - no yiffs, aunts,or butts.

This technique is 100% foolproof - there is no excuse for you to die to a suicide attack unless you are too lazy to use your scanner.

I don't understand why people couldn't just go into a post apocolptic mode for a month or two and play the game in an entirely different way.. wouldn't that be exciting as heck to have ablsolutely everything turned askew until new solutions were sorted out... perhaps broad player coalitions creating safe pockets etc.

ATTENTION ALL MINERS -

If you die to a suicide ganker, its your own fault.

You have a directional scanner - you click it, and it tells you who is nearby. If you're in a belt, there should not be Brutix's nearby, or thrasher gangs.

If you're mining, stay aligned. If you see stuff on close range scan, just WARP OUT.

This is a simple method, no CCP fix needed, no goon removal needed.

For Chribba's sake, simply warp the eff out if attackers are warping to you. It's that simple - no yiffs, aunts,or butts.

This technique is 100% foolproof - there is no excuse for you to die to a suicide attack unless you are too lazy to use your scanner.

FORCE THE CHANGE

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.

NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.

Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.

OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.

Game on....

EDITS:
G&&ns will be assisting in this campaign. USE this...
We stand to lose nothing. We fail, the status quo remains. Stay the course.

So, do i understand correctly, that you want to fight suicide ganking and force CCP to remove it, but actively using suicide ganking anyone who isnt greeing with your policy? Wait... wha?

I think you should fight against real life suicide by committing real life suicide. You know. Just to show your devotion to the CAUSE! This way entire world would benefit from your *wisdom* not just some game.

In this thread, The Apostle, the raving nobody egomaniac that he is, forms up another attention whoring thread to get everyone to laugh at him.

Or entirely misses the point of the Ice Interdiction.

My money is on Yes.

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Ice Ice baby