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Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.13 16:00:00 - [1] Come on.. CCP must do something about this BS! There is many pirates with high (+) sec status, and we cant even set a "real" bounty on their heads. This is wierd? Ofcourse u can hire a bounty hunter etc... But I think u should loose ALL your + and get to - if u shoot at anyone, or worse, kill someone...=(
Terrell	Posted - 2003.08.13 17:19:00 - [2] I agree with this one, you should be dumped into the negs no matter what your sec status if you pod someone in high sec space. ----- We take care of our own.
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.13 18:21:00 - [3] Edited by: Zakura on 13/08/2003 18:26:37 Quote: I agree with this one, you should be dumped into the negs no matter what your sec status if you pod someone in high sec space. Hell yeha! I really hope they fix this soon .. I mean the police likes him more than me, and have podded alot more ppl than me (well I havent really podded someone yet:P) grr... (him = Quantum Matrix 8.0 Sec Status, and a pirate)
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.13 20:23:00 - [4] You'll find that pirates with a positive security rating are the most dangerous. After all, they attack players in non-empire space and those players are likely to be armed to the teeth. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.08.13 20:31:00 - [5] we do go negative for podding in empire space. But I only pod people in the wilderness, and very rarely, too. I prefer to let them make the journey home at 150m/s .
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.13 20:35:00 - [6] I suffered my first podkilling 2 days ago. Some evil bastard obliterated me with a single press of a button. Me and the self-destruct button. 64 jumps home from Stain was just too much to bear LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.13 21:14:00 - [7] well that Quantum Matrix and his 10 Space invaders friends TRIED to pod kill me in my bestower, with their BS's - but I got away - Ejected.. well lost my bestower =( .. But I hop that Quantum Matrix will die soon, 3.5M could be worth risk killing him? .. I will maybe raise the bounty on the pig..
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2003.08.13 23:44:00 - [8] Blah, Blah, Blah I've been playing for a month and hell I'm still a damn noob. Of course I almost had my ass handed over to me in 0.0 while I was in my Thorax (thanks Tolstoy, hehe) and hell if I didn't deserve it. I enjoy the pirates, hell even those pod killers out there. You make me look at my map and keep me from taking a crap while jumping from system to system. You make me think twice when I park my Iteron for a little afk 1.0 mining. Awesome. I know what to/not to do.... But hell if I did my first few days. I agree with a noob sector for each race/class. I agree that 1.0 space could be off limits to those of us who are above the law so to speak. I enjoy the game the way it is. I just hate explaining crap to all my other noob pals out there that got PK'd thier first day playing that it doesn't happen everyday and how to avoid sticky situations. Call me lazy but oh well.
Syphin	Posted - 2003.08.13 23:50:00 - [9] Perhaps agents could be used. If you had a good agent you could have him pull some "strings" and reduce the sec rating of someone. If they can raise secs up why can't they lower them? Of course you would have to put in a way to stop from one agent raising and another lowering and back and forth until one of them goes broke. This could also be used to get ore thieves and if you want someone to be "taken care of" it could be possible. - - - - - - - Disclaimer I take no responsibility for the spelling or grammar usage in the above statement Nor do i agree with its ideas and or claims Or even acknowledge its existance.
Digital Sin	Posted - 2003.08.14 00:01:00 - [10] hehe calvert, i make that trip almost daily. 54 jumps each way just to ferry items. dropped off my apocalypse, then went all the way back up in an ibis, then went all the way back down in my raven, then went back up in my raven, then went back down..... now i have to do it all over again to bring some crystals up. "To be content,to be comfortable, is to be complacent. No one learns anything from pleasure..pain on the other hand is a most efficient instructor"
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.14 01:20:00 - [11] "I agree with this one, you should be dumped into the negs no matter what your sec status if you pod someone in high sec space." Wow. Harsh. A player spends months getting a high sec rating and then loses it all when he pods an ore theif. :( "well that Quantum Matrix and his 10 Space invaders friends TRIED to pod kill me in my bestower, with their BS's - but I got away - Ejected.. well lost my bestower =( " Uh, they were after the bestower, not you. ;)
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.14 01:40:00 - [12] Quote: Uh, they were after the bestower, not you. ;) no.. they destroyed it - could not use it lol..
Viceroy	Posted - 2003.08.14 02:40:00 - [13] And got the loot, who cares about smelly old you. No profit in killing you is there? -
Quantum Matrix	Posted - 2003.08.14 03:08:00 - [14] Wow, I feel so special. :) I have a positive sec rating because I fought an awful lot of NPCs before I became a pirate. Destroying and podkilling in non-empire space doesn't do much for your sec rating, hence why mine is still positive. If you want to travel in 0.0 space, in a good ship, without insurance or a clone, or even some cash on you, expect the worst. If I open a convo and am ignored, or otherwise slandered, or blocked while the ship makes full steam for the gate, I'm going to kill you, simple as that. I will give you an opportunity to pay, but you have to take it. Ignore it and you're out of luck. -QM What do we want? Brains! When do we want them? Brains!
SKiNNiEH	Posted - 2003.08.14 09:10:00 - [15] They should implement an option to ask a person's crimesheet @ concord. Make it cost 5000 isk to request it. E.g. -click crimesheet button for SKiNNiEH- SKiNNiEH Raven Cartel 07.03.2003 17:22:13 - Destroyed a Titan 07.03.2003 17:23:02 - Destroyed a Pod 07.13.2002 03:45:34 - Received Bounty 1.000.000 07.22.2003 13:11:45 - Lost a Shuttle 07.23.2003 13:12:13 - Clone Activated 07.23.2003 13:12:13 - Bounty Reset to 0 ----- This never happened ofcourse, but if you were in 0.0 space in your indy and you see me in local this would be a nice way to find out. If i had a high security rating you would still know if i would be pose a threat. Someone here might say that in 0.0 space CONCORD wouldn't know about any killing someone might have done, but the fact is that everyone receives an email from CONCORD stating the parties involved in the destruction of your ship even if it happened in a system at the edge of the universe. So technically... a crimesheet like this should be no problem. -- Hmm... this should be in the Idea Lab :) But no DEV/Polaris dude would read it there, unless it came from TTI! TTI posts something and it immediately gets stickied there, talk about getting better treatment :). -------
Malloy	Posted - 2003.08.14 11:37:00 - [16] Quote: They should implement an option to ask a person's crimesheet @ concord. Make it cost 5000 isk to request it. YES i love this idea ! ------------------------------------------------------------
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.14 12:44:00 - [17] Some of u seems taking this for fun à But its not fun û Eve without pirates, would be boooooring û But piracy is tooooooooooo easy in eve û Pirates own everything. DoesnÆt ccp understand this? We ôgoodö players cant do anything û bounties are worthless, and u cant really stop them..
Quantum Matrix	Posted - 2003.08.14 12:47:00 - [18] As far as I'm concerned, until you've been a pirate, you have no business commenting on how easy it is. It's far from it. There are about 4 million other threads explaining why, so I'm not going through it again. You don't like pirates and thus you want us nerfed. Deal with it, we'll be hunting you no matter how much you whine. :) -QM What do we want? Brains! When do we want them? Brains!
Malloy	Posted - 2003.08.14 12:52:00 - [19] it's not nerfing you cos i imagine you're negative sec. we're on about positive sec pirates who cloak themselves on local with their positive status and then can you. as for the comment about pirates having a hard life, i can imagine there are lots of boring hours waiting for victims to turn up, but i am yet to see a pirate in a worse ship than mine, so yes it might be hard, butuntil you've mined for 2 months, you can't comment either. ------------------------------------------------------------
Wolf Leader	Posted - 2003.08.19 09:36:00 - [20] Um guys rap sheet is bad idea unless you limit it to like one or two days. Today alone i killed 12-15 ships and i wasnt doin so hot today. That list will get really long really fast. But im a nice guy.....
Othnark	Posted - 2003.08.19 10:07:00 - [21] Come on now, if you want to get a warning when the so called positive sec pirates show up, simply set your personal faction to them to terrible. You have the tools, use them. Why people whine and beg for things they already have if they put 2m work into it evades me. -Othnark
Arud	Posted - 2003.08.19 14:17:00 - [22] I think that empires like Amarr, Caldari and so on should automaticly add to the bounty list when someone podkills in their space. So it would be something like this, Destroy a ship in 0.8-1.0 empire space you get a bounty added Destroy a pod in 0.8-1.0 empire space you get a huge bounty added Destroy a ship in 0.4-0.7 you get tiny bit added Destroy a pod in 0.4-0.7 you get bounty added Destroy a ship in 0.1-0.3 you get nothing added Destroy a pod in 0.1-0.3 you get bounty added outside of empire space its fair game What would hope this would achive is that some of the best pirates would start hunting other pirates because there would be more money in it that way than hunting innocent miners. One other rule would be that for the biggest pod killers the bounty doesnt go away unless after a week. Same corp members would not get bounty for killing their own. biggest exploit would be to start pod killing alot of people to get bounty and then have a friend kill you and then you share the bounty. Stop this and you have a good system.
Presidio	Posted - 2003.08.19 15:27:00 - [23] I think every player should have 2 sec ratings. One for the character and the other for the corporation which would list the security rating of the character with the lowest security rating in the corporation. This would tell you if the corporation allows piracy. Attacking people in 0.0s should result in loss of 0.01 security or less. I don't think a pirate should be able to kill people all day long without loosing any security rating. Don't flame, just an idea. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
trap	Posted - 2003.08.19 15:47:00 - [24] Personally i feel violated.... i am an upstanding member of the community and for some reason i keep getting pinned with a negative security status. i think quantum has paid someone inside the government to dish his security hits on me while he suffers no reprecussions. i mean come on ppl... how can i get security hits mining all day? OMG OMG OMG I WAS DELT A RAW DEAL! ---------------------------------------------- [ 2003.11.20 05:35:28 ] Jade Constantine > looks like you blasted the crap out of a load of our ships again
Lavondyss	Posted - 2003.08.19 16:00:00 - [25] Why would your security rating be effected by attacked another player in 0.0 space There is no security. No cops, no gate turrets, nothing. Wouldn't you need some sort of security forces to track acts of aggresion in order for it to count against your rating Seems pretty straight forward to me. When traveling in a 0.0 system watch your back all the time.
SKiNNiEH	Posted - 2003.08.19 16:14:00 - [26] Quote: There is no security. No cops, no gate turrets, nothing. Then what about the CONCORD evemail you get? They know about it no matter where it happened. -------
Freddy Krueger	Posted - 2003.08.19 16:39:00 - [27] Lose your sec rating for a pod kill, rediculous. The way it is setup at the moment is just fine. I have to "work" real hard to keep my sec rating positive after doing a killing run on players. This involves killing an extremely large amount of npc's in order to boost the rating. For those "player-pirates" who have a negative rating, well it is their fault for that, and they should expect severe penalties when entering Concord space. A clever killer, keeps a positive rating, however hard to keep.
Tibor Ferenc	Posted - 2003.08.19 17:41:00 - [28] + Sec rating pirates is fair enough there are plenty of crims in RL who get over looked by the law because they are crafty and try to hide the fact they are bad. Tibor Ferenc The LBC http://mmogcenter.com/tiborsig.jpg
Arud	Posted - 2003.08.19 17:51:00 - [29] Tibor, dont exactly agree with you there, a person with murder on the criminal record wont make it go away because they help old ladies over the street
Tibor Ferenc	Posted - 2003.08.19 18:11:00 - [30] There are plenty of murderers and thieves that the authorities dont know about i think it would be unrealistic for there to be a universe with a perfect criminal justice system. BTW it is far from easy to be a pirate with a + security rating it takes a certain amont of care to do. TF The LBC http://mmogcenter.com/tiborsig.jpg
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.19 18:22:00 - [31] Please donÆt compare real life with eve.. well some agree with me, some donÆt.. All I want is something dramatic to happen when u kill someone with +sec level.
Tibor Ferenc	Posted - 2003.08.19 19:05:00 - [32] Why should i not compare eve to real life after all it is supposed to be a space "sim". If you shoot sombody in the center of london you can expect the authorities to respond, however if you shoot sombody in the center of a wartorn african state there will be little of no repercussions. This is the whole point of 0.0 space if you dont want to get shot by anybody who feels like it + or - sec stavy in empire space. Im getting sick of *****es whining bout 1 thing or another just because they are pussies. The point im making is if you go into 0.0 you take your life in your own hands that is why CCP put the good pirate bounties out there and the good ore. High risk High Profit. If you dont like this f-off and play SWG. TF The LBC http://mmogcenter.com/tiborsig.jpg
Tsingtau	Posted - 2003.08.19 19:23:00 - [33] ...This is the whole point of 0.0 space if you dont want to get shot by anybody who feels like it + or - sec stavy in empire space. Im getting sick of *****es whining bout 1 thing or another just because they are pussies. The point im making is if you go into 0.0 you take your life in your own hands that is why CCP put the good pirate bounties out there and the good ore. High risk High Profit. If you dont like this f-off and play SWG. TF The LBC How does name calling and belittleing help the community? I think I and many others feel the same if you cant post a legitiment response comments like that should be kept to yourself. just my 2 isk.
Tibor Ferenc	Posted - 2003.08.19 19:35:00 - [34] What worries me is that there is more non-pirate than pirate and if CCP listens to ppl's unreasonable rants just because they have lost a ship they will move the goalpoasts again. Piracy is currently the hardest profession along with specialist security firms. I feel that ppl should try using ther brains instead of simply asking pirates to be nerfed. An idear i have had that would make both piracy and security a much more viable profession would be Uber trade runs to the far edges of know space. This would enable ppl to make huge profits which in turn would attract lots of pirate to these routes. As a direct result of this trade corps would be able to employ security firms to escort there indys. These trade runs could be brought in with storyline such as an increace of deepspace outposts that need stations and supplies. Any feedback on this idear would be appreciated. TF The LBC http://mmogcenter.com/tiborsig.jpg
Presidio	Posted - 2003.08.19 19:42:00 - [35] I didn't say you should be punished or attacked by authorities if you kill someone in 0.0, you can do so in 0.4, that's not an issue. The issue is that everyone who earns his living by killing other players should have negative security rating. Is it because you're afraid to have a negative security rating? If you can't deal with it you shouldn't do it than. You shouldn't be ashamed of who you are. I am voting for neg sec rating for all pirates. Other players would still get to have fun occasionally killing a person or two because they would only loose 0.01 of their sec rating. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Tibor Ferenc	Posted - 2003.08.19 19:46:00 - [36] If you shoot sombody in the center of london you can expect the authorities to respond, however if you shoot sombody in the center of a war torn african state there will be little of no repercussions. This is the whole point of 0.0 space. TF The LBC http://mmogcenter.com/tiborsig.jpg
Tibor Ferenc	Posted - 2003.08.19 19:49:00 - [37] Also when your walking down the street can you tell all potential muggers by a flashing light over there head. The simpls point is if you go into 0.0 space you be on your guard. Sorry if im going on a bit but this is somthing i feel strongly about. TF The LBC http://mmogcenter.com/tiborsig.jpg
Presidio	Posted - 2003.08.19 20:12:00 - [38] Again EVE is not RL and it shouldn't be compared to it. Secondly, the same way you kill NPCs in 0.0s and gain sec rating you should loose sec rating when you kill people in 0.0s as well. Not by much, just so your rating keeps going down as you kill more people. That way people can put bounty on your head, and I can collect it when I kill you. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Tibor Ferenc	Posted - 2003.08.19 20:22:00 - [39] I know EVE is not RL but the game will become more enriching the more like RL it becomes. TF The LBC http://mmogcenter.com/tiborsig.jpg
Skelator	Posted - 2003.08.20 00:10:00 - [40] Quote: we do go negative for podding in empire space. But I only pod people in the wilderness, and very rarely, too. I prefer to let them make the journey home at 150m/s Drunken You at least have Honor and Class You are a Most Excellant Pirate Keep up the Standards maybe some of the Griefers will learn from you They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Quantum Matrix	Posted - 2003.08.20 08:42:00 - [41] I did pod someone yesterday, and I felt bad. I fired two volleys of missiles but forgot to turn off my guns. I blew up his ship and the missiles blew up the pod. I lost 1.0 sec status for that. :( -QM What do we want? Brains! When do we want them? Brains!
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.20 17:00:00 - [42] ....and a few 30k pirates - and u are back in business!
trap	Posted - 2003.08.20 17:16:00 - [43] OMG n00b! ---------------------------------------------- [ 2003.11.20 05:35:28 ] Jade Constantine > looks like you blasted the crap out of a load of our ships again
Quantum Matrix	Posted - 2003.08.20 17:49:00 - [44] Is that a joke? It would take me like 1000 pirates to get +0.1. -Q What do we want? Brains! When do we want them? Brains!
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.20 17:51:00 - [45] Edited by: Zakura on 20/08/2003 17:52:03 Quote: Is that a joke? It would take me like 1000 pirates to get +0.1. -Q 1000 30k Pirates?? ok.. well I didnt know it took that long :) edit: trap, please just shut up, ok? ...
Sally	Posted - 2003.08.20 18:01:00 - [46] A new carebear is born: Zakura. -- Stories: #1 --
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.20 18:11:00 - [47] Quote: A new carebear is born: Zakura. And what is a Carebear?
Raidek	Posted - 2003.08.20 19:51:00 - [48] Bounties mean nothing. -Raidek CEO, Sinister Corp. Proud Member of the Curse Alliance http://www.afraidyet.net
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:05:00 - [49] "1000 30k Pirates?? ok.. well I didnt know it took that long :)" 1000 40K pirates. ;)
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.21 17:36:00 - [50] Edited by: Zakura on 21/08/2003 17:38:13 Its funny to see how many space invader members posting here, thats why I raise the bounty to 30,000,000M Isk.. no I just kidding lol.. But Quantum, did anyone tried to attack u yet? because of this 3.5M bounty.... If not, some GM here, could please delete this post..
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.21 18:36:00 - [51] hah, I though this was the 3.5M bounty thread tired - but anyway, could be fun to know anyway.
trap	Posted - 2003.08.21 18:43:00 - [52] Nope QM is still owning ppl on a daily basis. ---------------------------------------------- [ 2003.11.20 05:35:28 ] Jade Constantine > looks like you blasted the crap out of a load of our ships again
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.21 21:08:00 - [53] Quote: Nope QM is still owning ppl on a daily basis. ahh
Cymoril	Posted - 2003.08.22 02:53:00 - [54] Having the ability to go to a CONCORD or DED office and file a report would be something they could do to add a bit more interest to the security system. If one person reports you, nothing happens. If several people report you, CONCORD starts to take notice, but still nothing happens. But if you get reported enough times, your security status starts to go down. This way, if a particular player attacks enough people and enough of those people report him to the police, the police start to recognise his name as a trouble maker. The exact details would have to be worked out, and perhaps although unrealistic maybe add a fee to file a report, but at least with a system like this or something similar to this, you could convince CONCORD that a given individual would be worth watching.
Lliad	Posted - 2003.08.22 03:36:00 - [55] Edited by: Lliad on 22/08/2003 03:39:22 Edited by: Lliad on 22/08/2003 03:38:50 Why are ppl so obcesed with giving pirates a negative sec stataus. In 0.4 - 0.1 pirates take thes security hits so they can easily be seen. Giving u a clear chance to avoid any risk. When you go to 0.0 space dont trust anyone. High risk = High reward. This is the fundamental differnce beteween the two places. Without this difference we may as well do away with 0.0 regions all together. Well just all live in one big carebare system. I can see no constructive reason to alter the current system. The only people that want it changed are the carebares that want all the good things with no risk. However i do think that u shouldnt be able to gain sec status by hunting NPC pirates in a 0.0 system. Security status should cease to function at all levels in 0.0 space.
Cymoril	Posted - 2003.08.22 03:54:00 - [56] Quote: Why are ppl so obcesed with giving pirates a negative sec stataus. I think you just answered your own question while you were asking it.

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