You're playing EvE now.

Says enough.

On a serious note. Wonder why McDonald's sells the most hamburgers in the world? Not because they're the best ever. Not because they're the cheapest. It's because their marketing isn't based on negatives. Burger King and Wendy's has to rely on negative advertising, but they'll never unseat McDonald's.

So, if you ever want EvE to grow, think and market the game positively.

The "WoW killers" won't kill it, nor some bittervet comments from Timbuktu.

But I truly hope WOW endures a while longer otherwise the market is flooded with people who don't remember what a challenge is anymore.

Thefuckisthisshit? Seriously, stop dropping off GD's fails in OOPE. We didn't ask for it, and we certainly don't want it.

They're trying to kill the last bastion of sanity on the forums

I played WoW. Started with Burning Crusade and played up through Cataclysm. I would still be playing, but the Pandas totally killed it for me. They should not have introduced a whole new race that was never in the world of WoW to start with. Maybe instead of Pandas, it should have been Ogres, or some other race that was already in-game but not playable. They dropped a giant continent onto the map (again) with no back-story or history or lore that tied it with the rest of WoW lore, and called it an expansion.

I had to leave WoW. I went to SWTOR. The buggiest game on Earth! It's fun being a Sith lord however, so I still play it. I feel kind of cheated, though. I pay the monthly subscription, but if I want the cool looking l3wtz, I have to pay extra. At least it's not pay to win stuff.

Taking the plunge in EVE was an eye opener. It's freaking hostile around here (in game - not the forums. Forums are forums are forums). This is the first game I've ever played that's got me constantly looking over my shoulder and feeling the tension.

I go out on an expensive mining barge fitted with expensive modules and just hope I'll survive long enough to make back my expenses. I did, by the way, make bake my investment. Even made enough to replace the Navy Comet I lost not long ago.

EVE Online is an exiting game. I can't wait until my skills are good enough to let me survive in lowsec space.

I played WoW. Started with Burning Crusade and played up through Cataclysm. I would still be playing, but the Pandas totally killed it for me. They should not have introduced a whole new race that was never in the world of WoW to start with. Maybe instead of Pandas, it should have been Ogres, or some other race that was already in-game but not playable. They dropped a giant continent onto the map (again) with no back-story or history or lore that tied it with the rest of WoW lore, and called it an expansion.

I find this to be an interesting read and appropriate for this thread.

http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/7540/Have-MMOs-Become-Too-Easy.html

If WoW's current level of success means it's "dying", what's that say about EVE?

Look at it this way. World of Warcraft might still have 9m "active subscriptions" (of which maybe 3-4m are "real" players and not botters or internet cafe "subscriptions" for the Chinese shards), but it's lost 3-4m in as many years. EVE Online, however, has only just recently hit 500k or so "active subscriptions" (quotation marks to denote possible shenanigans on CCP's part for what constitutes an "active subscription"), but not only has EVE Online continued to grow year after year its losses have not amounted to a percentage equal to World of Warcraft's losses. Even the worst debacle I've seen from CCP (Captain's Quarters, NEX store, leaked memo on "theoretical" further/extreme monetization of EVE Online all hitting at once) failed to cause a comparable drop in subscription numbers.

All things considered I'd say that the condition of World of Warcraft says that EVE Online's condition is pretty damn good.

Guess they will announce their F2P model shortly too.