Originally by: dalman

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Read above in this thread, and I posted the basics of how hitchance also determine the quality of hits and expected average damage.

Originally by: Akita T

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Just re-stating the obvious (and already mentioned a bit higher on the thread)...

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Originally by: dalman

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Originally by: Akita T

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If {x<z} Then {damage = quality x expected base damage}

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However, the code they suggested does not account for the difference in the 3 categories of misses which all do 0 damage. My thoughts does (by having intervals < 0 < 0.25 < 0.50), which makes me wonder if their code really is closer to exactly how it's done.

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Originally by: dalman

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Regardless, a good enough estimate of the forumla for average damage has been provided - and it's been shown that "wrecking hits are broke".
And the tracking guide should be updated to reflect this.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: dalman

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Originally by: Akita T

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If {x<z} Then {damage = quality x expected base damage}

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However, the code they suggested does not account for the difference in the 3 categories of misses which all do 0 damage. My thoughts does (by having intervals < 0 < 0.25 < 0.50), which makes me wonder if their code really is closer to exactly how it's done.

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Well, the "If {x<z} Then {damage = quality x expected base damage}" part could then be expanded into "If {x<z} Then {damage = quality x expected base damage} elseif {miss_message_generating_sequence(x,z)}" that takes those ranges into account too.
Practically, for average DPS calculation purposes, it really makes no difference whatsoever.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 03/05/2007 11:08:41

For the umpteenth time, this is what the tracking guide MISLEADS you to believe.
In fact, it's as simple as this: sigradius ratio (target sig / gun sig) is just a tracking value MULTIPLIER, nothing more, nothing less.

In other words, if a target has a sig 2 times smaller as you gun sig, it's as if your turrets have only half tracking.
If a target has sig 2 times larger as your gun sig, it's as if your turrets have two times better tracking as they have listed.

And that's IT. Nothing else.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 03/05/2007 11:08:41
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ALSO, there's the "hit quality" issue.
According to recent research (not done by me, but by Kazuo Ishiguro), you have a situation like this:

x = random number between 0 and 1
z = ((1/2)^((((Transv/(Range*Tracking))*(Sig_Res/Sig_Rad))^2) +((max(0,Range-Optimal))/Falloff)^2))
z is the "To-Hit Chance", a number between 0 (0%) and 1 (100%)

If {x<0.01} Then {quality = 3} else {quality = x + 0.49}
might be x+0.5 for all I know, or even x+0.495, no big difference
If {x<z} Then {damage = quality x expected base damage}
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You only deal the "lower quality" hits when hit chance is lower, and the higher quality hits get discarded... so that would imply average DPS decreases a bit sharper as hit chance decreases (i.e. not linearly).
It also means that at exactly 1% hit chance, you start ONLY dealing wrecking shots, for a 3% of "expected average" DPS.

A 50% hit chance would mean 1% wrecking shots and 49% normal hits linearly distributed in the *0.5 to *0.99 (or *1.00?) damage range, for a final DPS of a bit under 39.75% instead of the "expected" ~52% DPS.
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Just re-stating the obvious (and already mentioned a bit higher on the thread)...

In other words, average DPS (simplified form for chance to hit at or ABOVE 1%) is:

AvgDPS = BaseDPS * [ 0.03 + (ChanceToHit-0.01)*(0.5 + ChanceToHit/2) ]
Where ChanceToHit is 0.5^((((Transv/(Range*Tracking))*(Gun_Sig/Target_Sig))^2) +((max(0,Range-Optimal))/Falloff)^2)

Simplified form for chance to hit at or BELOW 1%, AvgDPS = BaseDPS * 3 * ChanceToHit

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Originally by: Soltueur

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The link to the turret tracking guide takes you to the missile guide...

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Originally by: Gentzen

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Originally by: Soltueur

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The link to the turret tracking guide takes you to the missile guide...

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thanks. fixed.

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Originally by: Alski

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It depends how much CCP learn from past user interface mistakes, i'm sure they'll do very well, but if not i'll be right clicking on random people and selecting "Orbit at 0.5m"