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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.07 10:56:00 -
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You all know what its about...
Ideas what should be changed and to what?
Flame away ladies.
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2005.12.07 12:02:00 -
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A Suckri is just a poor zelot with 2 less low slots and a build in 25% to all hardner. It needs an extra low slot or 2 and it will become great for tackling with.
THough at the moment, a 3 nos, 3 t2 turret setup can work wonders on 1 on 1 situations.
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Mextor
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Posted - 2005.12.07 12:06:00 -
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r u mad the sac is the one of the best heavy tacklers in the game with it duel rep tank and 3 med slots it work well
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.07 12:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Mextor
r u mad the sac is the one of the best heavy tacklers in the game with it duel rep tank and 3 med slots it work well
If im looking for tackling, i would buy 10 interceptors at the same price as a sacrilege... and the interceptors are doing a much better job at tackling.. so please leave that "heavy-tackler" Sh!t
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2005.12.07 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: Mextor
r u mad the sac is the one of the best heavy tacklers in the game with it duel rep tank and 3 med slots it work well
If im looking for tackling, i would buy 10 interceptors at the same price as a sacrilege... and the interceptors are doing a much better job at tackling.. so please leave that "heavy-tackler" Sh!t
/Mav
What he said.
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.12.07 12:25:00 -
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Yes, with turrets plz.
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Equinox II
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Posted - 2005.12.07 12:29:00 -
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Some more dmg output and an extra low-slot wouldn't hurt.. :)
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Laythun
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Posted - 2005.12.07 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Equinox II
Some more dmg output and an extra low-slot wouldn't hurt.. :)
i dont think it need more dmg, but i needs more low slots. or maybe a slightly bigger drone bay
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.07 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: LWMaverick on 07/12/2005 14:42:59
Im having a hard time to decide what would be the best way too boost the sacrilege without overpowering it...
One thing is obvious, were are not getting the design changed from Khanid -> viziam ...(i wish though) so the shields and all that crap will proberbly stay unchanged.. but what about the bonuses?
Higher laser damage? Armor rep effectivness bonus? Cap? RoF ? What do you think ?!
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Denrace
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Posted - 2005.12.07 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mextor
r u mad the sac is the one of the best heavy tacklers in the game with it duel rep tank and 3 med slots it work well
Nah, its not.
Try the Ishtar. Tackles better with its 5 mids, while NOSSING the crap outta the targets and has MASSIVE DRONE DMG too.
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2005.12.07 14:49:00 -
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answer is simple:
-swap armor and shield hp
-change one med to one low
-slightly increase drone bay
in the end it wouldnt have noticable higher dps but it would be far more tougher to kill
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.07 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: MOS DEF
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: Mextor
r u mad the sac is the one of the best heavy tacklers in the game with it duel rep tank and 3 med slots it work well
If im looking for tackling, i would buy 10 interceptors at the same price as a sacrilege... and the interceptors are doing a much better job at tackling.. so please leave that "heavy-tackler" Sh!t
/Mav
What he said.
^^
Good heavy tackler my ass. It's as slow as muck and theres a heap of other ships that do the job better.
How sad is it when a HAC gets called a good tackler or as one dev put it, "its nice and shiny"
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Equinox II
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
"its nice and shiny"
That's the main reason I fly a sacrilege ;)
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:32:00 -
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I know I am weird but I kinda like that some of the hacs are just not as out and out damaging, and are more flexible or do different things. This means some of them are CHEAPER! Ugh. If they were all as good as an Ishtar or a Vagabond or Zealot, they'd all cost 100mil+ :)
Getting sacs for 60mil as tough, disposable pvp ships in fast fleets is nice. Just like eagles and muninns.
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
I know I am weird but I kinda like that some of the hacs are just not as out and out damaging, and are more flexible or do different things. This means some of them are CHEAPER! Ugh. If they were all as good as an Ishtar or a Vagabond or Zealot, they'd all cost 100mil+ :)
Getting sacs for 60mil as tough, disposable pvp ships in fast fleets is nice. Just like eagles and muninns.
A celestis is better in a fleet fight then a sacrilege.
Why fly a 60m useless ship when you can be useful in a 5m cruiser.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
I know I am weird but I kinda like that some of the hacs are just not as out and out damaging, and are more flexible or do different things. This means some of them are CHEAPER! Ugh. If they were all as good as an Ishtar or a Vagabond or Zealot, they'd all cost 100mil+ :)
Getting sacs for 60mil as tough, disposable pvp ships in fast fleets is nice. Just like eagles and muninns.
A celestis is better in a fleet fight then a sacrilege.
Why fly a 60m useless ship when you can be useful in a 5m cruiser.
True.
Btw the celestis is getting boost  (another medslot)
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: LWMaverick on 07/12/2005 18:02:33
/me puts a soap box in front of him and stands up
*Cough Cough*
Sacrilege's problems:
Bigger shield than armor, low armor (1600/800mm plate is almost needed to create a buffer that the 2 medium reps can run on)
Sh!tty damage ouput.. I mean, every other Hac outdamage it by far, AND tanks just as good... Eagle, Isthar and so on.. Even my friggin 24mill Propechy tanks alot better, AND has higher damage output.
Caldari Wannabe bonuses.. I mean, missile rof bonuses AND laser bonuses.. I cant remember who made the post about Mixed bonuses/weapon systems, but if someone could post the link here it would be great..
Its Role... Heavy Tackler!??!?! Seriously, dev's... That indicates that something is wrong for real!
I mean, who the feck buys a 60mill ship to tackle, an interceptor, yeah even a t1 frig does that alot better!
Can anyone think of a role else for this ship, that any t1 ship or likely cheaper ship can't do, or even do alot better?
The best response from the devs so far have been "Dont forget its shiny eh?"...
CCP ... It sux mkay?! Give it some Sweet loooove ....
Im not talking about overpowering it, or removing the khanid design, but for ***, make it usefull!
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.07 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: LWMaverick on 07/12/2005 20:29:47
*Pssst* Hobblin.. i could use some backup here ?  
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Hobblin I
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:14:00 -
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I'm going to continue to post about boosting the SAC till we atleast get a response whether negative or positive from the Devs.
After having flown the ship for group and solo ops for about 5 months. I came to one realisation. The Sacrilege, is a CHEAP HAC that does things that other people can do well in cruisers (as in kill) and even better in the rest of the HACs (namely tank and kill).
The Mega tank of the game the Sacrilege cannot kill an already half dead chicken if it wanted to. Unless you luck out and engage at a belt or safespot, your enemy as long as its got a decent tank and is cruiser sized or better. Will just yawn and unaggro before jumping out while laughing his arse off at your 100 dps.
CCP, plz for the sake of the masses that scream from rooftops regarding your bias towards the Amarr. Make the SAC decent.
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LOPEZ
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:59:00 -
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hahah try flying a eagle.. cerberus is ok just like all shield tanking ships need to fill alll med slots to make it work
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.12.08 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Arleonenis
answer is simple:
-swap armor and shield hp
-change one med to one low
-slightly increase drone bay
in the end it wouldnt have noticable higher dps but it would be far more tougher to kill
woohooo - 3 mids and one less low then a zealot?
ffs - if anything give it more cpu... more armor... and oh - more cpu.
grid wouldn't hurt too - but more cpu would be nice...
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.08 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: LWMaverick on 08/12/2005 07:28:34
Originally by: LOPEZ
hahah try flying a eagle.. cerberus is ok just like all shield tanking ships need to fill alll med slots to make it work
Excuse moir ?
How about we swap a few of those "missile hardpoints" for some turret hardpoints, and give you some laser dmg bonuses?
And give you much larger armor than shields + mix up your bonuses to focus on 2 weapon systems huh?
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.08 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hobblin I
I'm going to continue to post about boosting the SAC till we atleast get a response whether negative or positive from the Devs.
After having flown the ship for group and solo ops for about 5 months. I came to one realisation. The Sacrilege, is a CHEAP HAC that does things that other people can do well in cruisers (as in kill) and even better in the rest of the HACs (namely tank and kill).
The Mega tank of the game the Sacrilege cannot kill an already half dead chicken if it wanted to. Unless you luck out and engage at a belt or safespot, your enemy as long as its got a decent tank and is cruiser sized or better. Will just yawn and unaggro before jumping out while laughing his arse off at your 100 dps.
CCP, plz for the sake of the masses that scream from rooftops regarding your bias towards the Amarr. Make the SAC decent.
w0rd
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.08 11:15:00 -
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Come on... Can we get a dev response? 
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Hobblin I
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Posted - 2005.12.09 05:47:00 -
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Thread needs to be at the top.
Fix the Sacrilege.
Give it more armor than shields (ie 500 more armor), and more useful boni.
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2005.12.09 06:05:00 -
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The Devs hate us :D That or they wont admit the ship needs looked at :S
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.09 06:31:00 -
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Well, Sacrilege is with good missile skills a great HAC but its real problem is that its hybrid of Amarr and Caldari and afaik one of the only that needs effectly skills from turrets and missiles.
Swampping shield to armor should be a good start but dont meddle with slots. Removing one midslot and adding one lowslot would make it Zealot clone.
Sacrileges bonus to armor resists means one low slot fitted with energized nano II (without RMR skills) but I still find myself flying Zealot because I tanks better and I can choose to go tackler-tank or gank-tank path .. but not in SAC.
Love Sacrilege .. give it double drone space? No wait, that would make Sacrilege to be dependable of three race skills
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Tassi
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Posted - 2005.12.09 07:48:00 -
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15 days left for amarr cruiser lvl 5. Tassi is skilled amarr only, lasers only. It hurts to read all the ZEALOT IS GIMPED and SAC SUCKS threads!
Whats the dps of a sacriledge with 3 Heavy launchers and is the 3 heavy launcher + 3 nosferatu setup viable?
OMG why should an amarr train missile skills? WHY??? I think I will go with the curse
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.12.09 08:35:00 -
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Kuolematon, love that sig.
As for the Sacrilege, someone should make a consolidated thred over ships in need of boosting.
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sokken
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Posted - 2005.12.09 10:01:00 -
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Lets see;
Zealot:
- 4 bonii to lasers, check
Sac:
- 1 bonus to armourtanking (yays for larger shield(just had to repeat that))
- 1 bonus to missiles
- 2 bonii to lasers
Splitting bonii isnt cool, mkay? Especially 3 ways, and then give the 'tank' only 1 of them..
My suggestion: more armour, less shield(has to be said), keep slots, 1 turret hp to missile hp, tanking bonii:
- cap charge, to make it less vulnerable to nos
- resitance
- armour rep repair amount
- nos range (or transfer amount, but might be a bit much?)
It still cant kill anything, but atleast it can tank better than the rest. Resistance + rep amount should be a very potent combination, but as its defensive and its meant to be a tank i dont see a problem with that.
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