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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:43:00 -
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Posted by CCP Rise on Twitter: http://i.imgur.com/jD85X5F.png
EFT says this same fit only has 302 DPS
-5x T2 200mm rails
-caldari Navy Antimatter
-2x T2 Mag Stabs
-All 5s skills
can you say I WANNA ROKH?!?!
The Drake is a Lie |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:10:00 -
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Hmmm we shall see.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5665
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:22:00 -
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These are medium rails. People have been asking for a medium rail buff since forever.
I seriously doubt he's going to buff large rails. Most likely those aren't going to get touched at all. They're pretty balanced currently.
(Also, medium beam lasers need a buff too)
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Skill Training Online
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:22:00 -
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Still can't track a battleship w/o a prop mod, unless that also gets addressed. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4984
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:30:00 -
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Cant wait to play with my 200mm rail Ferox after the buff.... ooooooh tingles.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2491
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:59:00 -
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This is true, smalls and heavies and capitals haven't been addressed specifically.
This smells like a total rail re-balance to me though...
If medium rails are getting a 30% DPS both then maybe larges might see 10% or something instead, or none at all. This remains to be seen...
We demand stickied F&I thread!
The Drake is a Lie |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2410
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Posted - 2013.07.11 00:13:00 -
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My Dual 150mm Thorax will become FOTM. Muhahahahaha.
*buys out the 2x150mm rail market*
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Jassmin Joy
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
155
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Posted - 2013.07.11 01:23:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:These are medium rails. People have been asking for a medium rail buff since forever.
I seriously doubt he's going to buff large rails. Most likely those aren't going to get touched at all. They're pretty balanced currently.
(Also, medium beam lasers need a buff too)
i'm trying to imagine the horror of nullsec if they buffed Large, LR naga fleets. LR naga fleets everywhere. |
Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence
STELLAR CONSTELLATION
208
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Posted - 2013.07.11 02:42:00 -
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Jassmin Joy wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:These are medium rails. People have been asking for a medium rail buff since forever.
I seriously doubt he's going to buff large rails. Most likely those aren't going to get touched at all. They're pretty balanced currently.
(Also, medium beam lasers need a buff too) i'm trying to imagine the horror of nullsec if they buffed Large, LR naga fleets. LR naga fleets everywhere.
Rokh fleets. Mega fleets.
Rails everywhere.
^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
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Posted - 2013.07.11 06:47:00 -
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The rokh is already my favourite ship to fly, if they buff all rails it will be even better! All hail the Rokh!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1768
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:33:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:All hail the Rokh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cexXOLXkXl8&t=18s !!!
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1148
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Posted - 2013.07.11 08:11:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:
(Also, medium beam lasers need a buff too)
I know haven't seen a use yet for medium beams due to them blowing   
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Apocryphal Noise
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.11 08:24:00 -
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It's specifically a medium rail buff. Large rails are already the choice weapon in bloc warfare. The Rokh in particular, is the premiere battleship of the line for most alliances. Medium rails are ******* atrocious though but I doubt they make it through with the ~40% buff they have now. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5667
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Posted - 2013.07.11 09:16:00 -
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Apocryphal Noise wrote:It's specifically a medium rail buff. Large rails are already the choice weapon in bloc warfare. The Rokh in particular, is the premiere battleship of the line for most alliances. Medium rails are ******* atrocious though but I doubt they make it through with the ~40% buff they have now.
Well the Rokh at least for the CFC was mostly an alphafleet alternative for people who didn't want to use the Maelstrom. The coalition doctrine is now the rail Mega, probably owing to the fact that armor tackle is far more durable than shield tackle. However for RAZOR and several other alliances the rail Naga has been and continues to be extremely powerful in its own right.
Any buff to large rails would put them over the top.
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Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
325
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:25:00 -
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WH effect sorcery?
http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing -á-á < Unified Inventory is NOT ready... |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
964
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:38:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Posted by CCP Rise on Twitter: http://i.imgur.com/jD85X5F.pngEFT says this same fit only has 302 DPS -5x T2 200mm rails -caldari Navy Antimatter -2x T2 Mag Stabs -All 5s skills can you say I WANNA ROKH?!?!
If we wondered why CCP doesn't understand why Gallente was that terrible, got a bit better and still needs some attention, now we now why.
If I undock with my ship full skills no implants and says 300dps (just for numbers) I have to assume CCP reads 600.
I thought they used roman numbers like us and had same significance, apparently it doesn't. Does anyone have a numbers translator so I can figure out how much dps my Megathron does in CCP numbers?
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
964
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:41:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Any buff to large rails would put them over the top.
Large rails numbers seem ok, it's the ammo that needs some attention now imho
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
407
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:44:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Xercodo wrote:Posted by CCP Rise on Twitter: http://i.imgur.com/jD85X5F.pngEFT says this same fit only has 302 DPS -5x T2 200mm rails -caldari Navy Antimatter -2x T2 Mag Stabs -All 5s skills can you say I WANNA ROKH?!?! If we wondered why CCP doesn't understand why Gallente was that terrible, got a bit better and still needs some attention, now we now why.
Well, even a WoW newbie to EvE could figure that out.
Took but a couple to missions to see that hybrids have worse DPS than healers can dish out.
Gallente's need for drones to make up for the lack of firepower was probably CCP's idea in keeping rails nerfed (which would make them OP at range). Since Caldari and Minmatar has missiles not a huge loss of firepower (but limits the factions what ships they can fly). Due to those mechanics is why I never touched their ships. It's like playing a Hunter in WoW, and if that's not how you like to play, Gallente wouldn't be appealing anyhow (still won't touch their ships with the buff. Duck tape is better still!).
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Xolve
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1557
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Posted - 2013.07.11 13:45:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Gallente's need for drones to make up for the lack of firepower was probably CCP's idea in keeping rails nerfed (which would make them OP at range). Since Caldari and Minmatar has missiles not a huge loss of firepower (but limits the factions what ships they can fly). Due to those mechanics is why I never touched their ships. It's like playing a Hunter in WoW, and if that's not how you like to play, Gallente wouldn't be appealing anyhow (still won't touch their ships with the buff. Duck tape is better still!).
Nobody cares about your class preference in WoW, or how it somehow correlates to what you think Gallente ships are capable of (because: you're wrong.)
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Whitehound
1521
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Posted - 2013.07.12 10:08:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:EFT says this same fit only has 302 DPS
With T2 rig, implants and officer mag stabs can it be pushed to 419 DPS before overheat.
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
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Private Pineapple
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability
Reckless Ambition
396
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Posted - 2013.07.12 10:57:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Xercodo wrote:EFT says this same fit only has 302 DPS With T2 rig, implants and officer mag stabs can it be pushed to 419 DPS before overheat.
T2 rigs and officer mag stabs on a Thorax?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.12 10:59:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:This is true, smalls and heavies and capitals haven't been addressed specifically.
This smells like a total rail re-balance to me though...
If medium rails are getting a 30% DPS both then maybe larges might see 10% or something instead, or none at all. This remains to be seen...
We demand stickied F&I thread!
Large rails are working pretty well, in my experience.
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Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:20:00 -
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Damn! And there I was thinking this was a thread about Train Simulator 2013.
Sorry!
I just couldn't resist it. |
Spurty
907
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:29:00 -
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/4 I heard wow was the first MMO to buff rails
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
435
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:29:00 -
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Still holding my breath on the long awaited Medium Beam Laser rework.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
965
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:45:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Xercodo wrote:This is true, smalls and heavies and capitals haven't been addressed specifically.
This smells like a total rail re-balance to me though...
If medium rails are getting a 30% DPS both then maybe larges might see 10% or something instead, or none at all. This remains to be seen...
We demand stickied F&I thread! Large rails are working pretty well, in my experience.
Erm...ammo needs tweaks, seriously.
Spike needs a huge buff to dps and a nerf to fall off, the heck with a TE and TC max range your shells can hit beyond max targeting range (250km) but does such a poor dps it's not even interesting to do this without full lows of MFS (I have one mega with 4MFS and even with this +3TE Iridium hits harder)
The 3 real interesting ammo types are Faction AM, Thorium and Iridium then Null for blasters (Void is interesting still but limits so much range for a small dps increase it's not very interesting imho unless on top of a carrier and shooting it)
Javelin is quite interesting for rails while traveling between gates.
So in short my opinion about the interesting ammo is: Javelin, Null, faction AM, faction Thorium and Iridium, Spike only for sniping with a no tank but all gank fit, andif those are the most interesting is not because they're very good but just because we have no other interesting choice because I already told a couple times the next range ammo type will be doing less dps in its optimal the precedent one does in fall off which makes many ammo types pointless.
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Whitehound
1521
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:00:00 -
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Private Pineapple wrote:Whitehound wrote:Xercodo wrote:EFT says this same fit only has 302 DPS With T2 rig, implants and officer mag stabs can it be pushed to 419 DPS before overheat. T2 rigs and officer mag stabs on a Thorax?
... and a dev.
Just saying that you cannot deduct much about it from a single picture.
The fit itself seems terrible, because there is no nano or overdrive visible. The second TE only gets penalized whereas an overdrive would help with the end speed and to get the whole ship together with guns and point into range. 12.5% more speed helps better than 8% more tracking and can mean you are now flying in a straight line and are shooting from optimal range. This Thorax is not going to catch much unless it wants to be caught, in which case one could have fitted it with an AB just the same, avoided the whole signature bloom and used 250mm railguns with AM/Javelin for more range and DPS. 
This whole 2x TE, 2x Dmg Mod with MWD and shield buffer setup is anything but original. I have seen it on so many ships before. Any buff that makes it more viable and on more than Minmatar ships is a terrible buff.
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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:02:00 -
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Private Pineapple wrote:Whitehound wrote:Xercodo wrote:EFT says this same fit only has 302 DPS With T2 rig, implants and officer mag stabs can it be pushed to 419 DPS before overheat. T2 rigs and officer mag stabs on a Thorax?
It's true you cannot see the rigs and implants. Even with T1 damage rigs and 3% implants it hits around 350dps. Could be showing 20% damage increase for med rails. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
438
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:26:00 -
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Quote:Erm...ammo needs tweaks, seriously.
Spike needs a huge buff to dps and a nerf to fall off, the heck with a TE and TC max range your shells can hit beyond max targeting range (250km) but does such a poor dps it's not even interesting to do this without full lows of MFS (I have one mega with 4MFS and even with this +3TE Iridium hits harder)
You know? I have noticed this problem with just about every "long range" ammo in the game. Radio, Microwave, Nuclear, Spike, Tungsten, Iron.
All of them completely suck except for Scorch.
Seems endemic of a problem with the ammo overall design, wouldn't you think?
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Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Erm...ammo needs tweaks, seriously.
Spike needs a huge buff to dps and a nerf to fall off, the heck with a TE and TC max range your shells can hit beyond max targeting range (250km) but does such a poor dps it's not even interesting to do this without full lows of MFS (I have one mega with 4MFS and even with this +3TE Iridium hits harder)
You know? I have noticed this problem with just about every "long range" ammo in the game. Radio, Microwave, Nuclear, Spike, Tungsten, Iron. All of them completely suck except for Scorch. Seems endemic of a problem with the ammo overall design, wouldn't you think?
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