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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2013.07.11 16:57:00 -
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Skill Training Online wrote:Species 8472
would destroy all of EVE.
No, we are well used to fighting in fluidic space. 
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
298
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:00:00 -
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Dr. Who would let his Tardis destroy all time and space before reforming it all in a more perfect balance through the use of the Pandorica.
Nobody wins. |
Thar Saal
Sorry About Your Face
Catastrophic Uprising
60
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:15:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:Dr. Who would let his Tardis destroy all time and space before reforming it all in a more perfect balance through the use of the Pandorica.
Nobody wins.
Rintarou Okabe would mindfuck Dr. Who by changing the world line and moving all of time's events past the 1% divergence line. thus creating entirely new time spectrum where only he can remember what happens.
Steins;gate wins. |
Ager Agemo
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
339
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:48:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:baltec1 wrote:stoicfaux wrote:
Takeaways:
* ST ships at sub-light speeds can easily be moving 15,000 times faster than Eve interceptors.
* ST ships at sub-light speeds would never be on grid long enough to even show up on the overview.
* Eve ships are sitting ducks wrapped in anchor chains with their feet nailed to ground.
Yet in fight they always go slow and fire at point blank ranges... yes there that reference in deep space 9 of closing to 500m which appear to confirm that ST and EVE fight at equal ranges. SW there is expanded universe evidence of engaging a realistic ranges but there is also a lot of evidence of firing at 1m. Remember episode 3's opening battle.
Cisco was a loser, just as the defiant was a pretty lame ship, Picard while on command of Galaxy class and sovereign class starships, Often if not always engaged in combat at warp speeds or at the minimum at impulse speed (lightspeed) at ranges of thousands of kilometers, same did Janeway on voyager, and tho she was quite the most idiotic captain in ST history, she did had some moments of brilliance.
unfortunately its all about scales, Star war ships look weak, when fighting among them but then we get back into power measurements, what might look like a shield buffer tank without resists in star wars, its soaking terawattas of firepower per second, which if it was aimed at either a ST ship or Eve ship, would vaporize it instantly.
then they have nasty stuff like the galaxy gun which was pretty much indestructible and could blow up stars? |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
286
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:49:00 -
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Relevant: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2570029#post2570029
If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
584
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:00:00 -
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if you are going to compare army sizes, EVE against all the imperial fleet, then you have include every single NPC army in New Eden, including sansha and his wormhole tech.
Galactic Army v Galactic Army
Also, since one scout can bring in the whole army at once, all in takes is one SB to get to a vulnerable spot and bam.
Home planets will fall one by one.
Game Over. New Eden Wins. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
5000
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:09:00 -
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I think everyone is forgetting local smack talk.
Eve is used to it, everyone elses fleets would fall apart due to insanely high levels of 'Mad'.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
384
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:22:00 -
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Eve would win just one fleet of como ships would make both star trek / wars armadas die from laughter.
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Talon SilverHawk
Ronin Cartel
The G0dfathers
618
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:46:00 -
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EvE, we would either scam all the sh*t off the other 2..... or would have infiltrated them and have them killing each other for us....
Tal |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3300
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:16:00 -
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Obviously, Mittens would win the war for us because he has spies everywhere & would just disband the other guys.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
16
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:34:00 -
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I see we are now in that throwing unconnected numbers around to justify our postions so let me put this here to sum up the postion of the winners:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HMpylu3Do0&feature=player_detailpage#t=360s |
stoicfaux
2936
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Posted - 2013.07.11 21:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:stoicfaux wrote:
Takeaways:
* ST ships at sub-light speeds can easily be moving 15,000 times faster than Eve interceptors.
* ST ships at sub-light speeds would never be on grid long enough to even show up on the overview.
* Eve ships are sitting ducks wrapped in anchor chains with their feet nailed to ground.
Yet in fight they always go slow and fire at point blank ranges...
Because the other guy can go just as fast as the Enterprise? Why bother with a running battle if you're always standing still relatively?
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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.07.11 22:22:00 -
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i can understand the star wars vs trek debate. They have varying strengths attributed to them
pro trek
ships able to do combat while in warp
faster ships in general
techno babble solutions to problems. Cooler tech in general
and the debate ending Q god which just ruins the discussion
pro star war
the force
possibly better industry(or this could be their weakness since the planets could rebel)
the physics/math behind their weapon systems/shields makes it seem like their shooting stars out their ass. IE brute force rather than techno babble
EVE has absolutely nothing except the ability to produce crap ships. You cant produce soda cans with rubber band guns compared to starwars/trek and think you can fight a war that way.
If we include ccp then lucas gets to start adding lore and then its a wash. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
5011
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Posted - 2013.07.11 22:24:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:
EVE has absolutely nothing except the ability to produce crap ships. You cant produce soda cans with rubber band guns compared to starwars/trek and think you can fight a war that way.
Hey now, there WILL be more than just minmatar ships in the battle....
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1521
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Posted - 2013.07.11 23:41:00 -
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EVE of course.
Star Trek has strong ships and all, but they couldn't handle the meta. Their prime directive is no match for EVE's scamming hacking awoxing style.
Star Wars? I'm a huge fan, but lets face it their supers can be taken down with one shot to the exhaust port. |
Nyrak
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.07.12 00:14:00 -
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I am unsure how Star Trek would fit in, but Star Wars would beat Eve using one simple ruse -
Asteroids.
Star Wars blasts right through asteroid belts with their Star Destroyers. But in Eve, short of mining them to nothing, our ships bounce around then, get stuck against their oversize dimensions, and definitely can not hide behind them. Ammunition passes right through their ghostly shells when attacked by another!
And while around 140,000 unit Dense Veldspar rock was the biggest I mined down, never once did I see any huge space worms come out of it and attempt to eat my ship. |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
Kill It With Fire
187
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Posted - 2013.07.12 00:17:00 -
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The Borg, of course. |
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
6219
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:11:00 -
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Eve Wins
Star wars dies:
Big null sec battle between null alliances and the death star with the death star dying a fiery death especially since we reclone and they don't. TIE fighers are defeated by huge Ibis fleets because the IBIS ROCKS. All star war ships blown to bits because of fleets of falcons jamming them('cept the millinum falcon who is kidnapped by the jove who are amazed at the technology and ability of the MF to smuggle)
Star Trek loses:
Federation first because we make a deal with the Romulans and Klingons to take fight with them and then turn on turn on our new 'coalition' and defeat them easily because they are so afraid of our AFK Cloakies they don't know how to deal and are flamed to death on the forums for whining and complaining.
We kill the Borg off easily because we give them all fail fit pilots and forum whiners to assimilate.
End of story EvE continues on until James Kirk is found alive on the Genesis moon and he single handedly defeats us all by hacking the EvE servers just like he did with the Kobayashi Maru.
I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.07.12 05:35:00 -
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I don't know how some of you can lump Star Trek, Star Wars, or even EVE into three groups. The politics would not allow it. I think the Caldari - no nonsense business types would align well with the Empire. The Empire is business friendly. Not so good for the little guy if he tries to speak his mind, but otherwise business friendly. Once the Romulans find an excellent partner with the Empire, the Ferengie, the Cardassians too - business friendly. I think the Amarr would ally with the Empire as well, becoming a vassal of the Sith Emperor. He would aid them in winning what they want most - galactic domination, but at a price. They must bow to the Emperor.
The Rebel Alliance would most likely align with the Federation, Vulcan, and some of the other democratic governments in the Star Trek World. They would find allies with the Gallente, and the Minmatar. The Klingons are xenophobic, and they're blood-lusty. They're not happy if their not fighting and having a "good day to die." So, they likely won't ally with anyone.
I can't recall all of the races and their political leanings, but even if the alliances are temporary, that's how I think they'll align. In other words it would all devolve into a big convoluted mess. EVE nullsec types can't form an alliance without having it awoxed, so I don't see them lasting too long. They'll be swept up by the Caldary, Amarr, and any of the other entities that aligned with Imperial backing.
The Sith Empire will rule over all, over time.
The Rebel Alliance, the Federation, the Minmatar, the Gallente will likely attract some of the nullsec corporations, but overtime, they'll leave them and kneel before the Sith Emperor. The Federation are always trying to force their goody two-shoes ways onto everyone else. It becomes annoying and can sometimes be bad for business. However, the Sith Empire is business friendly...
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Callathar Tivianne
Unseen Academy
The Unseen Company
1
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Posted - 2013.07.12 06:04:00 -
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damn, i should browse forums more often, with threads like this...
ST would win in my opinion. Projectile/explo weapons are basically useless against Multi-freq shields, so only laz0rs would do any damage. And while we may have strong resists i doubt that they would match for technobabble beam weapons liike disruptors that Volcans/Klingons/Romulans/Remans use. Or transphasic torpedos that can penetrate ANY shielding and does some technobabble damage. Or tetryon weapons (those blue ones) that dont do 'damage type' but basically switches off shields? Poor shield tanks :( Speed superiority was mentioned. As for SW, they have lame shielding/armor and besides fighters/bombers, arent really agile (and most powerfull weapons are fixed). Thou there's that thing that evE has-unlimited supply of pilots since capsulers are technically immortal :P So i would say St>EvE>SW. As for Force, it would be irrelevant in space. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3069
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Posted - 2013.07.12 06:49:00 -
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The right way to do this would be to convert all the weapons to raw energy and then compare. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.07.12 07:03:00 -
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[quote=Callathar Tivianne.... As for Force, it would be irrelevant in space.[/quote]
You are wrong. It is with the Force that Luke SKywalker got those torpedoes into that exhaust port. It is with the Force that he piloted his short range Tie Fighter all the way to a another solar system under Imperial control - a short ranged fighter!
There are many more examples of the Force being applied in space, but my shift is almost over, and I got to log off soon. The Force does matter.
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Silverback Zylo
Miners and Runners
6
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Posted - 2013.07.12 07:46:00 -
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SW wins for the following reasons:-
Suncrusher whilst piloted by a force user with dubious morals can destroy whole systems including planets, even placing the ship in the centre of a Star can't destroy it.
Jedi Stealth X-Wing fleets armed with shadow bombs that require no lock, propulsion or active targeting so they are undetectable.
Centre point station can target any point in the galaxy and blow up a fleet with accuracy.
In a Galaxy a long time ago, say 1-2000 years from present day, how much has the technology evolved in that time.
No local chat required for Jedi/Sith comms, Null sec wouldn't know what or who hit them.
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Callathar Tivianne
Unseen Academy
The Unseen Company
1
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Posted - 2013.07.12 08:05:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:[quote=Callathar Tivianne.... As for Force, it would be irrelevant in space.
You are wrong. It is with the Force that Luke SKywalker got those torpedoes into that exhaust port. It is with the Force that he piloted his short range Tie Fighter all the way to a another solar system under Imperial control - a short ranged fighter!
There are many more examples of the Force being applied in space, but my shift is almost over, and I got to log off soon. The Force does matter.
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Most of force techniques are made for personal combat, not for space combat, with an exception of Battle Meditation (which, in SW timeline of films, no Jedi/Dar Jedi was capable of). There were numerous examples of using force in space, but most of them were things like 6th sense or unmatched reflexes (which would be irrelevant against beam weapons). Im not SW nerd but i dont recall any force power that could obliterate space ship, so this wouldnt be a real advantage, especially, since in SW films timeline, jedi were extremely rare. So unless we're talking bout old republic era, EvE pilots would mostly deal with regular humans and aliens. As for SW vs ST and force, i would like to point to the fact that ST universe is filled with beings capable of powerfull mind force projection like Betazoids, Remans or Q's or Ferengi, that cannot be harmed via psychic projections. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
112
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Posted - 2013.07.12 08:46:00 -
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Let's be honest, all 3 of them would be glad they didn't upset the Culture as they'd get their arses kicked ;) |
killorbekilled TBE
Sickology
259
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Posted - 2013.07.12 08:51:00 -
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Eve would win , because of falcon :)
:) |
Melikor Tissant
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
9
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Posted - 2013.07.12 09:25:00 -
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There are several issues with the "eve will win" argument.
First off, both star trek and especially star wars are fighting inside the ships more often than non.
If it was just pure ship vs ship, eve would be formidable. Spider capital fleets, drones, support alpha fleets, bombers and cheap ass frigates fleets where you can die and come back 20 minutes later in a second huge frigate fleet, could decimate even borg ships or species 8472 with a 9-setup super weapon on hand.
But the problem would be the transporters being used to send infiltration units inside our ships, or freaking jedi coming into your titans and blowing them from the inside.
I'm sure that at the start of the fight eve ships would show force and win most battles.
But as our enemy adapt, we can't walk inside our ship. They can just enter a titan, do the funky dance as slow walk their way into the captain bridge, kill him, and as he wakes up in a different place, they use his titan to blow stuff up, or stop the spider carriers from repairing anything, or using the drones to attack the allies.
Eventually with the walk in station and walk in ships being decimated, we would lose.
So there, because of CCP abandoning the walk in ships, we would lose.
The devs have doomed us all.
Happy now?!
Secondly,
Species 8472 can destroy planets (let alone a station full of shiny ships) by using fluid space to bypass gate camps or cyno jammers, enter a space with just 9 ships, blow the planet and the stations, and get out.
So they can easily just destroy all of the logistics in several months by guerrilla fighting.
And there is the dark side battle stations where they just blow your precious stations with everything around it in a single shot while sending hundreds of drones to attack everything else.
And thirdly,
there is the ground area.
Dust isn't going to be enough, nor space bombardment with laser ravens, to right against armadas of starwars on the ground level. |
Bucky O'Hair
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
118
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Posted - 2013.07.12 10:36:00 -
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James Tiberius Kirk....
Enough said.
We Are Ushra'Khan!
We are coming for our people. |
PsiMin
Cylon Advance
8
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:21:00 -
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You forgot about Babylon 5 |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
26
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:36:00 -
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Melikor Tissant wrote:There are several issues with the "eve will win" argument.
First off, both star trek and especially star wars are fighting inside the ships more often than non.
If it was just pure ship vs ship, eve would be formidable. Spider capital fleets, drones, support alpha fleets, bombers and cheap ass frigates fleets where you can die and come back 20 minutes later in a second huge frigate fleet, could decimate even borg ships or species 8472 with a 9-setup super weapon on hand.
But the problem would be the transporters being used to send infiltration units inside our ships, or freaking jedi coming into your titans and blowing them from the inside.
Except that our ships are piloted by a single person who is exactly aware of everything that is happening on board their ship and have a minimum of crew to worry about.
"Oh look, Jedi/troops burned into the cargo hold." *opens airlocks*
"Hmm, two survived, pesky Jedi." *opens the rest of the airlocks*
Boarding depends on your enemy not know where you are and how many you have. Between capsuleers knowing completely what is happening on their ship like it's their own body and anti-boarding forces, just boarding a ship isn't a guaranteed victory. And if they do look like they sent enough boarders in envirosuits to pull it off? Self destruct, grab a new ship that was manufactured in an hour. Takes decades to train a Jedi, but seconds to kill one.
Melikor Tissant wrote:I'm sure that at the start of the fight eve ships would show force and win most battles.
But as our enemy adapt, we can't walk inside our ship. They can just enter a titan, do the funky dance as slow walk their way into the captain bridge, kill him, and as he wakes up in a different place, they use his titan to blow stuff up, or stop the spider carriers from repairing anything, or using the drones to attack the allies.
You're assuming that non-capsuleer forces in EVE have never heard of boarding a hostile ship. And as mentioned above, boarding a capsuleer ship is just guaranteed death for a minor inconvenience at most.
Melikor Tissant wrote:Secondly,
Species 8472 can destroy planets (let alone a station full of shiny ships) by using fluid space to bypass gate camps or cyno jammers, enter a space with just 9 ships, blow the planet and the stations, and get out.
So they can easily just destroy all of the logistics in several months by guerrilla fighting.
And the Jovians can bioengineer a virus that will wipe out all fluidic life. In these types of discussions, it's usually best to discount the million and one "mysterious and gigantically powerful elder race" types and stick with the core factions. More fun.
Melikor Tissant wrote:And there is the dark side battle stations where they just blow your precious stations with everything around it in a single shot while sending hundreds of drones to attack everything else.
So basically, Titans and Supercarriers?
Melikor Tissant wrote:
And thirdly,
there is the ground area.
Dust isn't going to be enough, nor space bombardment with laser ravens, to right against armadas of starwars on the ground level.
Actually, Star Wars has a reeeeeeealy bad history with coming up with sane numbers for troops counts. In a galaxy of a million worlds, how many clone troopers are there supposed to be? Three million. Yeah. And in Star Wars: The Old Republic, their timelines make mention of a huge galactic army being assembled, reaching the lofty heights of 50,000!
That's almost as large as the Napoleonic forces at Waterloo! 
Assuming the SW writeer got their heads out of their asses, one would assume the DUSTies would be outnumbered. On the other hand, they're immortal (TRUE clone troopers!), will accumulate experience in fighting the enemy much faster than the enemy will fighting them, would have precision orbital support, and there are NPC ground forces to account for too. |
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