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![Hans Meuler Hans Meuler](/images/people/img14.png)
Hans Meuler
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Posted - 2005.12.07 23:47:00 -
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I have been playing for 3 days now and I'm still doing level 1 missions. I finished the first agents mission and she sent me to this guy. I noticed that the first mission was in .4 space but I didnt think anything of it. I was able to finish the first mission without a hitch. The second mission was something else entirely. It was 8 jumps away and I noticed that half those jumps and the final destination were in 0.0 space. Again I didnt think too much about it since I am still doing starter missions. Why would I concern myself with terrible danger when doing level 1 missions. At any rate:
2005.12.07 23:29:00
Victim: Hans Meuler Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Center for Advanced Studies Destroyed Type: Tristan Solar System: 6E-578 System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Panzer Goddess Security Status: 0.0 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: REQUIEM INC. Ship Type: Taranis Weapon Type: 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Name: Pehova Mindtriq (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.3 Alliance: The Five Corporation: Black Omega Security Ship Type: Crow Weapon Type: Thorn Rocket I
Name: shimmyckus Security Status: 4.7 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Blood Covenant Ship Type: Claw Weapon Type: 280mm Howitzer Artillery II
Name: Ohmite Security Status: 3.7 Alliance: The Five Corporation: Supremacy Ship Type: Ishkur Weapon Type: 75mm Gatling Rail II
Name: Noobjuice Security Status: 1.1 Alliance: The Five Corporation: Black Omega Security Ship Type: Jaguar Weapon Type: 'Limos' Rocket Launcher I
Name: Kulat Security Status: 0.5 Alliance: The Five Corporation: Black Omega Security Ship Type: Claw Weapon Type: 200mm AutoCannon II
Name: Larsson7 Security Status: 0.0 Alliance: The Five Corporation: Supremacy Ship Type: Vigil Weapon Type: 280mm Howitzer Artillery I
Name: Naruto Kirishina Security Status: 1.8 Alliance: The Five Corporation: Black Omega Security Ship Type: Crusader Weapon Type: Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Name: Comitatus Security Status: 3.2 Alliance: The Five Corporation: Black Omega Security Ship Type: Claw Weapon Type: 280mm Howitzer Artillery II
Destroyed items:
Type: 1MN Afterburner I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 150mm Railgun I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Mining Drone I (Drone Bay)
Two seconds later I was pod killed...whatever that means. At any rate, I cant believe people find it an amusing past time camping gates and killing 3 day old newbies. Thank god this was just a trial account. I would have been really ****ed had I realized that this isnt the sort of thing I want to subject myself, after I bought the game and an account. I would have liked a fair chance to defend myself, how can I be expected to do that in 3 days time and against 9 ships that I havent even heard of, let alone had a chance to fly. I'm done ranting so flame away.
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![Corunna ElMan Corunna ElMan](/images/people/img13.png)
Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2005.12.07 23:58:00 -
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You're 3 days old, doing level 1 missions in a frigate... and you go to a 0.0 system and complain about how dangerous it is?
That's not gate-camping newbies, that's Darwinism. Stay in high-sec space until you feel you're up to the challenge - your agent has no way of knowing or controlling what players in the destination sector choose to do.
Sounds like you bit off more than you could chew and are looking for someone else to blame. Maybe you ought to have spent more time learning the lessons of the tutorial, like how to read the map, how to set a destiantion and check what systems it passes through, and how to stay out of podkilling zones.
Don't consider this a flame, consider it good advice. a 0.0 system is no place for a newbie, and anything goes when you're there.
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garishwinner
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Posted - 2005.12.07 23:58:00 -
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ooe noess OSS gank'd j00 :D seriously man, 0.0 = PvP, and well I dont know anyone short of an 8 stab polaris frig is gonna get past OSS. on another note you were bound to get kill'd sometime, so just go build up your stuff and decline missions into 0.0. and then in a few months go back and get your revenge.... because if you can't bounce back from this, then honestly your gonna have a hard time bouncin back from any ship loss
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![Jenny Spitfire Jenny Spitfire](/images/people/img16.png)
Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:04:00 -
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Remember to "stay away" from 0.4s until you are a bit more experienced. I get killed in 0.4s more than in 0.0s. ----------------
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Blind Nuri
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Nuri on 08/12/2005 00:54:20 Well son, you learnt a valuable lesson today.
Not only pirates will shoot newbies. Some unscrupulous players will create an alternate character for the purposes of spying on their enemies. So you can understand why there's no mercy to be had in 0.0.
I think it's fun just to head off sightseeing in a shuttle and see how far you can get. I've done it three times and got to the edge of the known galaxy twice. Once you get past a certain point the systems are practically deserted. I was eventually killed on all three expeditions but that was because I ventured into systems with stations. You're guaranteed a frosty reception in those systems.
Edit: how can you tell if an area is populated and dangerous? Map display options are your friends. Also check out sites of interest, the RSS colonial ruins are worth seeing once in your life.
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![Dark Shikari Dark Shikari](/images/people/img10.png)
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:53:00 -
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Its generally... very advisable... to stay out of 0.0 as a newbie.
Especially... SYNDICATE, the most lawless region in the game and by far the most dangerous.
Especially A CHOKEPOINT SYSTEM IN SYNDICATE?!??!?!
You're nuts. - Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
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![Hans Meuler Hans Meuler](/images/people/img14.png)
Hans Meuler
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:17:00 -
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I think you guys might have forgotten what its like to be new. You have maybe 10k in your pocket and everything you had you spent on your first ship. It sucks wasting 3 days of work on your first ship only to have it ganked 20 minutes later. I guess in the end I did learn a lesson but I still think its crazy that the mission agent sent me there on my 2nd mission. You guys might know better but I didnt. How was I supposed to know, I'm barely out of the tutorial.
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![Dark Shikari Dark Shikari](/images/people/img1.png)
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Meuler I think you guys might have forgotten what its like to be new. You have maybe 10k in your pocket and everything you had you spent on your first ship. It sucks wasting 3 days of work on your first ship only to have it ganked 20 minutes later. I guess in the end I did learn a lesson but I still think its crazy that the mission agent sent me there on my 2nd mission. You guys might know better but I didnt. How was I supposed to know, I'm barely out of the tutorial.
You should know because of:
1) The player guide that you should have read. 2) The big blob on the map of "kills in the past hour." 3) The warning when you gated in that said that you're going to get ganked because its dangerous. 4) The warning on the mission that said its dangerous.
Hopefully you saw at least one of those. - Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
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![Kanidus Kanidus](/images/people/img12.png)
Kanidus
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Posted - 2005.12.08 03:16:00 -
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As a week old noob who has been doing missions non-stop, i'll tell you what I do. Whenever I get a mission offer, I ask for more details, set the route, goto the map, and see where it goes. It's as simple as that.
I guess i've been lucky because i've only been sent into low sec space twice and it was 0.4 space and it was on courier missions. Don't be afraid to turn down missions and don't be afraid to use the map to find other high sec areas with other agents. Just jump around and find agents and use them.
Eventually you'll have 8 or 9 ships and won't feel so bad if you get ganked. I managed to get 8 or 9 ships in one week just running missions. Don't quit so easily. And, break it up and do some mining as well. Give yourself time to ease into the game, get those skills trained, and earn some isk. USE THE MAP and ALL OF ITS FEATURES. It makes the game 100% easier.
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![Corunna ElMan Corunna ElMan](/images/people/img12.png)
Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2005.12.08 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Meuler I think you guys might have forgotten what its like to be new. How was I supposed to know, I'm barely out of the tutorial.
When I was new, I paid attention and used my head. When you say "barely out of the tutorial", I think it is more likely that you either flew through the tutorial as fast as possible or simply didn't finish it. I'd bet the latter, because if you had finished the tutorial and taken the referral, you'd have been given a mission arc that would leave you with about 400k isk and an implant that could sell for millions.
So, you rushed through, went off and did your own thing, and didn't bother paying attention to anything that would help you survive. It's a wonder you made it as far as a 0.0 system at all!
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0ss0
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Posted - 2005.12.08 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Meuler I think you guys might have forgotten what its like to be new. You have maybe 10k in your pocket and everything you had you spent on your first ship. It sucks wasting 3 days of work on your first ship only to have it ganked 20 minutes later. I guess in the end I did learn a lesson but I still think its crazy that the mission agent sent me there on my 2nd mission. You guys might know better but I didnt. How was I supposed to know, I'm barely out of the tutorial.
are you kidding?.....every time I lose a ship I learn something new....guess what???....you learned it's never safe in EVE...be glad you didn't lose your 4th 28 million isk battle cruiser learning that lesson....I swear I've earned 300 mill isk in the last 2 months and I have zero to show for it....You fly, you die.![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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![Hans Meuler Hans Meuler](/images/people/img4.png)
Hans Meuler
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Posted - 2005.12.08 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Meuler on 08/12/2005 05:32:24 These are all excellent tips. Some I have heard of and some I dont have a clue about. Fact is though...regardless of how much the tutorial could have tough, how much is on the web, or how much is in a manual, you cant possible digest it all in 3 days. Yea some of it I did know about like the 0.0 security thing. I knew it would be dangerous I just didnt expect to warp out and get plastered by 9 ships before I even knew what to do. Usually one builds up to that sort of experience. Most MMO wont allow level 100 players to bludgeon a level 1 or 2 player. It just left a bad taste in my mouth. If I keep playing I'm sure at some point will be able to quickly use all the tools at my disposale and make better decisions. Its not such an easy thing to do after 3 days. I did finish the tutorial and I did have around .5 million but that went into the ship so thats what I meant when I said I only had a few bucks because it all went into the ship. I had insurance on it (which cost even more money) so I got some of the cash back. I have plenty to build it back up, but I still feel like I was unjustly ganked. I'm still confused about one thing though. Does this only happen in 0.0 or is this a possibility in 0.4? Basicly I guess I need to know what the differences are in the security zones.
And by the way...thanks for not posting anything that resembles..."LOL NEWB, THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR BEING STUPID." It's kind of a given![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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![Sarafina Atrebates Sarafina Atrebates](/images/people/img8.png)
Sarafina Atrebates
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Posted - 2005.12.08 06:38:00 -
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This can happen in low sec 0.4 space. In fact, you are more likely to get jumped by a player pirate there than deep in 0.0 space, like one poster pointed out on his shuttle romps.
Probably what happened to you is your agent didn't send you to a 0.0 system, but you had your autopilot plot the "shortest route" rather than the "safest route." As a result, your shortest route took you through some bad areas. Generally, safest route will take you on a long winding path, but will get you where you need to go. I usually take the shorter route, and take certain precautions. For instance, I go in first with a quick, cheap ship (like a shuttle) and make bookmarks if nobody is around that will ensure that when I warp, I stop on my destination rather than 15 km away from it (these kinds of bookmarks are called instants). Only after I have scouted things out and made my instants do I bring in my "real" ship. Even then there are risks, but I have found that the benefits often outweigh the risks.
Anyway, I just think that your best defense is to learn all you can from the guides, browse the abilities and mods out there that you know what to use and what can be used against you, and then use good logic and caution in your approach to things. One of the attractions to EVE for me, and I'm fairly new, is that it is a brutal universe that isn't very forgiving. This makes it much more challenging and fun for me.
"Death," finally, has a little meaning.
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![Bermag Bermag](/images/people/img15.png)
Bermag
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Posted - 2005.12.08 08:09:00 -
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Are you really doing missions from the agents in or near your starting system? I find it strange that you get missions into dangerous space.
I would first of all recommend that you do the tuturoial missions and then move on to the storyline agent that the tutorial agent is sending you to (you should have got an email). Then continue to do missions from agents in high sec space.
Everyone has probably made a mistake of not lookign where you are going and get killed. I did a few days ago (been playing for 3 weeks). Lost my ship to NPC pirates and was on my way to pick up a new ship and did not look where I was going. If I had checked the map I would have seen a vey big red blop of "pod kills" in one of the systems I was passing through (Vecamia: which seems to be the perfect choke point - 0.4 system and shortest route between constellations). Got podkilled and lost my 2 +1 implants (considerable value for me). No big deal though, looted some cargo expander worth 3-4 million the next day. I was glad that I learned my lessons before I spent all my money on an expensive ship.
Maybe you went out exploring and got an agent that is close to low sec areas. Then I guess some missions might get you into low sec. Travel to the center of high sec space and do missions there and it will be a lot less risk gettign a mission into low sec.
If you do missions in high sec withpout passing any 0.4 or less sec then there is not much to worry about.
Some hints:
- get the 2d maps (www.ombeve.co.uk) to plan travelling. It is much easier than using the in-game map IMO.
- Check for pod kills/ships destroyed in in-game map.
- If you need to go into low sec space, look out for choke points. Typical gat camped systems are entrances into low sec from high sec (especially if there is only one other way out of system) or 0.1-0.4 which is a short route between different parts of the universe (if you get 2d maps take a look at Genesis region and check out Vecamia in the lower right part of map. You will se way this is such a perfect system for gate camping. 0.4 system and the alternatve from going south to north is 8 more jumps).
- To avoid pirates, think like a pirate. Check out the guides for pirates it give you valuable advice.
- If you don't want pvp then stay in high-sec. You can probably play this game for years without ever getting into pvp if you want.
- Taking risks is fun and might give rewards but never risk more than you can afford to loose. Want to explore 0.0 or look for good minign spots in lower sec, use that starter frigate you just got after getting killed ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![Rat Hubble Rat Hubble](/images/people/img3.png)
Rat Hubble
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Posted - 2005.12.08 08:15:00 -
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You just need to find an agent in a safe area, you don't want to be going through anything less than .5 security at the moment. There are many ways to help you survive in the more lawless areas, but after 3 days you are not going to get on top of all the compexities of low security space.
Just out of curiosity, why were you wandering around with a mining drone?
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2005.12.08 09:21:00 -
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Hehehe remind me of my first time being ganked...
I lost a cruiser when doing mission in 0.4 space. Two Battleships jamm me, NOSsed and have their drones mutilate my ship. After that experience, I avoid going to low security space for days!
Oh yeah, DON'T FORGET TO UPDATE YOUR CLONE. You don't want to lose your hard earned ( grueling ) skill points. --------- Watch me gravitate Ha ha ha ha ha....
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![Knoppaz Knoppaz](/images/people/img2.png)
Knoppaz
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Posted - 2005.12.08 10:22:00 -
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A few days ago I had a similar experiance. Tho my char is quite a bit older than yours, believe me, you'll never stop learning ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
I ventured out in my Stabber to see how far I can go with NPC rats (I have a good mix of combat skills, but for some reason I always find myself in front of some rocks mining ). Unfortunately I didn't pay attention to local and ran straight into a gank squad. I went down so fast, I didn't even bother to shoot back and focused on escape with my pod (made it out alive ).
I lost a couple million ISK, but damn, it was fun ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif) Also I now pay much more attention to local ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2005.12.08 10:46:00 -
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They probably thought you were a spy, or perhaps an alt of a more experienced player running a small delivery or something.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself, and don't go into 0.4 or below until you are ready and prepared to lose ships.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2005.12.08 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Meuler I think you guys might have forgotten what its like to be new. You have maybe 10k in your pocket and everything you had you spent on your first ship. It sucks wasting 3 days of work on your first ship only to have it ganked 20 minutes later. I guess in the end I did learn a lesson but I still think its crazy that the mission agent sent me there on my 2nd mission. You guys might know better but I didnt. How was I supposed to know, I'm barely out of the tutorial.
Well, I have only lost one ship in the game, and that was after three months of hanging around lowsec. I play with a little caution, which you need if you don't like losing ships.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but losing that ship was your own fault. If you had;
1) Checked the map for players in space/ships killed 2) Stayed out of 0.0 anyway 3) Focused on safer ways of earning ISK in empire
You simply would not have lost your ship. Thats the reality of it. But on the plus side, at least you have learnt a valuable lesson and your loss can be recovered from no problem.
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![Ozzie Asrail Ozzie Asrail](/images/people/img4.png)
Ozzie Asrail
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Posted - 2005.12.08 11:28:00 -
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I cant believe a level 1 agent is sending you 8 jumps for a mission, let alone though low sec and 0.0.
Go find one thats in the middle of empire so you can get some safer isk.
anyway, put it down to a lesson learned and get on with it :)
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![Armagedon Tired Armagedon Tired](/images/people/img12.png)
Armagedon Tired
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Posted - 2005.12.08 12:42:00 -
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I had been playing for about 1.5 weeks (I am now playing a 4 day old toon as the atributes on my original toon were all messed up) and had a lvl 3 frig (Merlin) all kitted out. I was finding the level 1 missions realy easy and discovered that by hunting for belt rats in hi-sec I was making more money per hour anyway. I decided to venture into 0.4 space for the first time, I jumped around asteroid belts until I found some NPC rats I could deal with and killed them. I was just checking my wallet to see what bounty I had made (and yes it was very nice 90000ISK if I remember correctly) when I was jumped by 2 cruisers they hit me so suddenly that all I could do was get my pod out in 1 piece.
I have been much more careful since then but I just laughed and took it on the chin as with all the other MMORPG's I have played death and it's conciquences are part of the game and if you don't experience death from time to time you probably aren't having half the fun you could be.
The moral: Be carefull but remember all work and no death makes Johnny a dull boy!
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![Vladimir Ilych Vladimir Ilych](/images/people/img8.png)
Vladimir Ilych
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Posted - 2005.12.08 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Ilych on 08/12/2005 15:59:35
same thing happened to me.
courier mission in my first destroyer. involved warping through one 0.3 system to get to the destination. Got to the gate on the far side of the system and two Amarr Battleships are their. Both pilots with security ratings below -9. Locked, scrammed and reduced to slag in seconds, then podded.
I was very angry and ****ed off. Just gotta learn from your mistakes (and you will). This came just takes a lot of learning, time and getting into.
don't give up. it really is a great game. Just stay in secure space for a while. their is plenty to do and see. Now i have a BC, cruiser and many frigs. You will to sooner than you think.
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![Aenod Ina Aenod Ina](/images/people/img8.png)
Aenod Ina
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Posted - 2005.12.08 19:37:00 -
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Forget getting sympathy out of most of the vets when it comes to getting nailed as a player with less than a month under you, and no interest in anything other than seeing what is out there. I was in for maybe a week and got slammed by someone in an interceptor that just couldn't resist ganking someone who was obviously in deep trouble vs a couple of 10k bounty NPC pirates. This was in .4 sec space, hardly the same sort of place 0.0 is, but low sec none the less.
Trust what many have said. It is a valuable lessen. It's a lessen that is much better to learn with a frigate that you can replace in a day's worth of game play, than down the road with a destroyer or a cruiser, which while many may have forgotten, may take new players weeks to replace, especially if they didn't insure enough to cover 100% of the loss of the hull.
You could always do what I do. Keep all those kill confirmations and save them for a rainy day, say six months or a year from now when your ship and your skills are much better. When you see someone in low sec to appears on your kill list, blow their ship, take their crap, and refuse to give them an easy ride home by NOT podding them. Until then, enter low sec at your own risk, and understand that there isn't going to be a fair fight. If the odds are even, you won't see anyone coming for you- almost garanteed. They'll run and grab two or three friends and catch you up with 3 or 4 warp scramblers then eat you alive. It's how it works. Stick to .5 or better if you don't want to be hassled with it, or be the one with 2 or 3 friends if you do. ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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![Kharakan Kharakan](/images/people/img6.png)
Kharakan
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Posted - 2005.12.08 21:12:00 -
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If you're feeling particularly vindictive, keep that killmail... then one day, go after them one by one and hunt them down ![Twisted Evil](/images/icon_twisted.gif)
Or at least, TRY to hunt them down ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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![Corunna ElMan Corunna ElMan](/images/people/img11.png)
Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2005.12.09 02:47:00 -
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Better yet, wait until they've forgotten about you and work your way into their corp... then waste the guy while he thinks you're guarding his back. ![Twisted Evil](/images/icon_twisted.gif)
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![Dark Shikari Dark Shikari](/images/people/img10.png)
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.09 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aenod Ina Forget getting sympathy out of most of the vets when it comes to getting nailed as a player with less than a month under you, and no interest in anything other than seeing what is out there.
I doubt there is a single vet out there who didn't go out into 0.0 within their first month.
If so, I pity them. - Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
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![Commander Zurcon Commander Zurcon](/images/people/img1.png)
Commander Zurcon
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Posted - 2005.12.09 03:44:00 -
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I treat the game like the instructors told me when I got my motorcycle license ... think that every car is going to hit you.
In EVE, I play it as if every ship is going to pod me!
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![Pagefault Pagefault](/images/people/img8.png)
Pagefault
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Posted - 2005.12.09 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Meuler Edited by: Hans Meuler on 08/12/2005 05:32:24 Most MMO wont allow level 100 players to bludgeon a level 1 or 2 player. It just left a bad taste in my mouth.
That is because most other MMOs wont: - allow a lowlever character to be usefull in pvp combat, in eve a 4 weeks old char CAN make a difference even in the wars of the great alliances. - allow players to make up their own empires with their own laws, in eve this is what it's all about. Thats why players defend their empires, against everyone, and a few days old ppl from a npc-corp are very suspect to be an alt character spying. - let even new ppl decide for themselves, what to make of their lives. This includes that you need to know a whole lot about the game to make the right decisions. A corp like eve university is very helpfull in the beginning.
It is a pity, that you learned it the hard way, even more that you ran into it so early. It is even more a pity that you met all that morons here, that point a finger at a noob, and laugh at him. I can tell you, that is not the normal style in these forums. --- All my statements are my personal opinion. I am not speaking on behalf of any entity, corp or alliance in this forums. |
![Neesa Corrinne Neesa Corrinne](/images/people/img16.png)
Neesa Corrinne
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Posted - 2005.12.09 14:32:00 -
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Wow, the lack of sympathy is really quite sickening. This guy is a 3 day old n00b, doesn't know squat about the game, and all the old timers can say is: "Well, you should have..." "Why didn't you...." "I can't believe you thought..."
The plain and simple fact is this: If you are camping a gate in 0.0 space and you pod and then subsquently pod kill someone who is obviously a complete n00b, then you are an A S S H O L E (Big spaced out letters for those who need em).
Plain and simple. A nice little convo saying "Hey dude, don't come around here or we'll blow you up next time" probably would have done the job just perfectly.
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![Binary Mind Binary Mind](/images/people/img2.png)
Binary Mind
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Posted - 2005.12.09 14:53:00 -
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don't give up on that,
I bet they hadn't shot on you if they knew you're only 3 days old. Problem with 0.0 is that most systems are claimed by an alliance, so they wanna defend themself against others. Why defend yourself against 3 days old players? well since in eve it's very simple to create alts and use them too the alliances have alot of problems with "noob" spy characters.
To get rid of that problem every char that is unknown to them or are in a npc corp are Kill On Sight for the alliance. if you really wanna venture into 0.0, please contact your local alliance recruiter and give him your application.
thanks
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