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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:36:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:again, you also prevent me from playing when i get shot down and sit in a capsule
Not really. You just go back to your station, grab another ship and keep playing. Locking somebody out of the game for several days is something else entirely. Plus, while I'd love to imprison each and every last stabbed FW plex farmer, this mechanic would simply be abused to imprison anyone you don't like - the AI can't tell whether you just got scammed or not. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:00:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: I think about it for obious scam mechanics nown in the game, if somebody uses those then the opposite party gets a voting right against that player like a killright you receive when shotdown in nullsec
But that's the problem - even the obvious scam mechanics aren't necessarily obvious to the computer. Maybe somebody just doesn't have the ISK to cover the buy order (margin trading scam), was aware that he was paying too much for a ship in a trade window or was rejected from a corp after paying a recruitment fee for a good reason. Otherwise I could just send you a few million ISK, claim you scammed me by not doubling it and get an angry mob to imprison you.
I agree that there should be an option to take revenge whenever you feel "wronged", but I assume you also agree that one man's need for revenge shouldn't enable the whole world to harass innocent bystanders.
Probably the best way to fight scammers is to teach new players about the scams. When I joined my first player corp they frequently told all new arrivals about different types of scams and how to avoid them. Maybe you could spend your time & energy on something like that instead? Once people stop falling for scams the scammers will disappear. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:09:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:I agree that there should be an option to take revenge whenever you feel "wronged" There is. It's EVE, there are always ways to get revenge. You shoot them.
Indeed that's what I usually do. Plus I don't think I've ever been scammed and I'm not asking for new mechanics here, I'm perfectly happy with the ability to stick a bunch of Blasters up their exhaust pipe. All I'm saying is that I understand the OP's frustration with people hiding in stations and NPC corps - changing any of that would probably break the game for lots of people though. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:13:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: innocent can not be harassed because of the link, of the mechanic, CCP would set one up like the killright thing, I'm pretty sure it could be done somehow and it would add to the game perfectly, for sure a lot of stuff would need to be thought through in detail however
I like your trust in CCP and artificial intelligence but, until proven otherwise, I'm not convinced that reliably detecting scams in an unexploitable way is possible. Plus of course the constant threat of getting scammed keeps ones brain awake  darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:34:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:All I'm saying is that I understand the OP's frustration with people hiding in stations and NPC corps I don't understand this frustration at all. This is because I have the ability to accept my own mistakes, and learn from them, like an adult. A child, on the other hand, cries when things don't go their way. Here's your checklist: First of all, don't get scammed. It's absurdly easy. (if anything, buff scamming) Secondly, deal with it. Deal with being ganked, bumped, scammed, or any of this other crap that all the hurt feelings brigade want to call "griefing". Thirdly, correct any behavior that led to you being a target, and move on. But the refusal to learn from mistakes? No, I do not understand that.
Okay, I think I picked the wrong word there: when I say "understand" I don't mean "share". However I accept that some people get upset when they lose in games and have an urge to seek revenge.
Personally I'm the "ah, interesting, lesson learnt, won't do that again" type but then I don't live in high-sec, people there have a reputation for being a bit thin-skinned  darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:53:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I do live in highsec and I'm also of the same "lesson learnt, don't do it again" type.
Heh, didn't mean to offend you. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:26:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:How about CCP just release WiS once it is ready, and when someone scams or annoys me, I dock at his station, leave my ship, kick down his CQ door and just punch his smug face in? Much easier and much more satisfying.
He peed on the Dude's rug! darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:51:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote: I don't believe there are "scam mechanics".
Indeed, poor choice of words on my side.
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:34:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:I'm sure the scam tactics can be put into a mechanic
I'm curious, could you make an example? As in "you could detect scam X by checking if somebody does Y and Z"? darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:35:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: What would work better is a kind of reputation tracking system similar to the way ebay does it.
Something like bounties? darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:41:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: just lookup marging trading scam all that kind of stuff
But that's a perfect example for something that's a valid game mechanic, margin trading is normal for honest traders. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:44:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: If the bounty system had some means of tracking or displaying the reason for the bounty in such manner that when placing a bounty, a list of reasons becomes possible.
Now that would be nice indeed and a very "EVE-ish" way to enable players to reduce the risk of being scammed - not by preventing scams but by giving the players more information on their business partners. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:53:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: scamming with it is not honest
True, but there is no way to tell whether an order has been put up with the intention to scam or not. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
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