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Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:54:00 -
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oO worst idea EVER!
they got banned for a reason,and good riddance. your thinly veiled threats just makes me wish you get banned as well. |
Harry Karri
Shattered Illusion
0
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Posted - 2013.07.25 07:58:00 -
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Break the rules, get burned for it, start whine thread. Got it but NO! |
Tarfol
Novus Shire E L I T E Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.07.26 09:28:00 -
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You really should read every EULA you thoughtlessly click through. We all should. Most people don't. But everyone ought to realize that violation of a EULA can and will lead to enforceable sanction. It doesn't sometimes. Here it often does.
If you play the game, you opt in to the rules by accepting the EULA. If you subsequently violate those rules, you can't try and claim blamelessness based on some perceived psychosocial contextual argument. Complaining on that basis about the enforcement of sanctions for said violations is, frankly, bizarre.
If you think it's all horribly unfair, go play a different game.
As Heinlein once wrote, "TANSTAAFL." |
Baler Noban
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.28 14:35:00 -
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Just like all mmo, CCP is allowed to close your account for what ever reason they see fit.
From Section 5, A "CCP may, in its sole discretion, cease to provide any or all of the services offered in connection with EVE (including access to the System and any or all features or components of the Game), terminate the EULA, close all Accounts and cancel all of the rights granted to you under the EULA."
For what ever reason they see fit to close your account it is covered by the EULA. Upon installation of their product you agree to the EULA even if you did not read it and by clicking accept. The only way to use their product and service is to agree to these terms. This is common in all mmo EULA, it is to cover the companies butts in case their EULA does not cover something specifically enough thus entitling someone to a lawsuit.
Look for yourself, http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/ |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
663
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Posted - 2013.08.01 08:58:00 -
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Beyond all the dumb, dumb things in your post, I'm just going to go ahead and say:
Anyone who signs/agrees to anything with their name and credit card attached WITHOUT reading it, is a moron, I mean holy crap, i dont read word for word, but i at least skim every EULA/ToS i agree too (especially sine i've found many of the things allowed in EVE are bannable for being "too mean" in other MMO's). |
Ciaphas Cyne
HUG NATION Knight's of the Black Sun
1
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:34:00 -
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as a newbie to EVE forums im gradually learning that 90% of threads on this website are thinly veiled tear threads about personal interests.
OP got banned for cheating and feels the need to ramble on and on in language so unnecessarily purple its funny. No, none of us want you to get your character back. No, none of us feel bad that you cheated. And, no, none of us believe that you didnt read or know of the content in the EULA.
this is how the OPs first post should actually read:
"HI i used to use addons in WOW all the time but when i tried to use them in EVE i got banned and now im sad. is anyone else sad for me?"
thats pretty much the only argument hes made so far. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11223
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:23:00 -
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Ciaphas Cyne wrote:as a newbie to EVE forums im gradually learning that 90% of threads on this website are thinly veiled tear threads about personal interests.
True.
1 Kings 12:11
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development
182
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:15:00 -
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Sir Dragon wrote:... I am saying that we are fighting the nature of the regular "Joe". Where our example pilot "Joe" is socially inclined to disregard E.U.L.A. reading and to get as many addons on its screen as possible.
Yes, very many people cannot read, [yet] that [fact] seams to escape allot of people... If an individual can't read, they shouldn't be playing EvE. If an individual refuses to read, they should also not be playing EvE. The EULA is clear on a few issues, and if it isn't... you can ask.
What you seem to be arguing with "socially inclined to disregard" and "fighting the nature" is that people want to gain an advantage... regardless of what the EULA states. The rules say don't do it, but they choose not to care... they choose to break the rules... they choose to cheat.
Just because some people might be "socially inclined" or by "nature" cheaters... doesn't mean it should be condoned.
EULA
2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game
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Andracin
Sickology
193
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Posted - 2013.08.14 09:19:00 -
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Ciaphas Cyne wrote:as a newbie to EVE forums im gradually learning that 90% of threads on this website are thinly veiled tear threads about personal interests.
OP got banned for cheating and feels the need to ramble on and on in language so unnecessarily purple its funny. No, none of us want you to get your character back. No, none of us feel bad that you cheated. And, no, none of us believe that you didnt read or know of the content in the EULA.
this is how the OPs first post should actually read:
"HI i used to use addons in WOW all the time but when i tried to use them in EVE i got banned and now im sad. is anyone else sad for me?"
thats pretty much the only argument hes made so far.
For a forum newbie you learn fast.
OP: I know you apparently can't comprehend things you read, since not a single sympathetic post has appeared so far. Please don't let the door hit you where Minmatar god's split you. If you need a quick and effortless influx of ISK in this game, buy a PLEX and support your fellow pilots and CCP at the same time. Botting/Hacking ruins the game by wrecking the in-game economy for people who actually can read and follow the EULA. Not one ounce of sympathy. Before you quit...can I has your stuffs? |
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
26
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:10:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Sir Dragon wrote: Ergo -> eve is hemoraging subscribers
Since EVE's subs are at an all time high, it seems that CCP are gaining more subs from people who are happy to see cheaters banned than they're losing from the cheating community. Excellent trade off IMO
There was a paper done by Professor Edward Castronova of Indiana University in 2006 that found that the 3rd party RMT sites probably cost MMO companies millions of dollars a year per 100,000 players. Earlier this year he revisited the question and he still maintains 3rd party RMT sites cost game companies money. So getting rid of the ISK sellers who work outside the approved PLEX to ISK system is good for business as games with less of the activity are more likely to hold onto players.
And before Malcanis asks for links, here they are...
To download the original paper... A Cost-Benefit Analysis of Real-Money Trade in the Products of Synthetic Economies
Professor Castronova's update... Question: Why is 3rd Party RMT Evil?
The Nosy Gamer - Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength - Eric Hoffer |
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Yi-Ming Gren
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.27 02:41:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Sir Dragon wrote:
We are not comprehending all the other cases that are absolutlly not deserving of a perminent bans; thus, we have spawned an entire base of unethically banned players...
I disagree. They chose to cheat. They chose to ignore the rules. They deserve to be banned. I have zero sympathy.
Completely agree, I am tired of people thinking they deserve a warning or a second chance. |
Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
29
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Posted - 2013.09.14 10:25:00 -
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Yi-Ming Gren wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sir Dragon wrote:
We are not comprehending all the other cases that are absolutlly not deserving of a perminent bans; thus, we have spawned an entire base of unethically banned players...
I disagree. They chose to cheat. They chose to ignore the rules. They deserve to be banned. I have zero sympathy. Completely agree, I am tired of people thinking they deserve a warning or a second chance.
Thank you . . . What about designing an "Ravenloft" . . . or the concept of N+¡+¦h+¦ggs Chamber (hell) . .
So lets say a person can't stop the offenses due to its simple Evil nature . . . so instead of "banning" all the Evil people . . . and inveitabbly as the curve reaches infinity . . . having a player base of [censored] up good goody two shoes that don't know [censored] . . . all the Evil people would be in an private "N+¡+¦h+¦gs-Chamber" / Hell / Ravenloft . . . Duking it out or forming alliances . . .
Hey maybe when all you [not u Ming Gren] evolve outof your [censored] egoes and see the forest for the BARKING . . . this post will make senece.
Edited for clarity : A curve reaching infinity is a math concept . . . i am pointing out that the continued action of banning people for their "Ebil" nature will inevitably "given time" give us a player base of "goody goody two shoes". Pantera Home Videos:http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/ck2ykdBrDRM/Pantera-Vulgar-Video-Full-Completo.html-á ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/xpma3u7OjfU/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD1.html ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/yyO9rAx8eoQ/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD2.html . |
Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
29
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Posted - 2013.09.14 10:33:00 -
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Rosewalker wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sir Dragon wrote: Ergo -> eve is hemoraging subscribers
Since EVE's subs are at an all time high, it seems that CCP are gaining more subs from people who are happy to see cheaters banned than they're losing from the cheating community. Excellent trade off IMO There was a paper done by Professor Edward Castronova of Indiana University in 2006 that found that the 3rd party RMT sites probably cost MMO companies possibly over a million dollars a year per 100,000 players. Earlier this year he revisited the question and he still maintains 3rd party RMT sites cost game companies money. So getting rid of the ISK sellers who work outside the approved PLEX to ISK system is good for business as games with less of the activity are more likely to hold onto players. And before Malcanis asks for links, here they are... To download the original paper... A Cost-Benefit Analysis of Real-Money Trade in the Products of Synthetic EconomiesProfessor Castronova's update... Question: Why is 3rd Party RMT Evil?
Yes, I agree . . . when RL money comes into an VR-Environment / VR-Game . . . it inevitably winds up with debts that lead to people getting their knees sledged and other RL abuses . . .
RL : Real Life ; VR: Virtual Reality
Let us not fall onto the falacy of the Rotten Apple . . where a person would toss the basket of 100 apples due to a single rotted one. Pantera Home Videos:http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/ck2ykdBrDRM/Pantera-Vulgar-Video-Full-Completo.html-á ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/xpma3u7OjfU/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD1.html ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/yyO9rAx8eoQ/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD2.html . |
Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
29
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Posted - 2013.09.14 10:38:00 -
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Ciaphas Cyne wrote:as a newbie to EVE forums im gradually learning that 90% of threads on this website are thinly veiled tear threads about personal interests.
OP got banned for cheating and feels the need to ramble on and on in language so unnecessarily purple its funny. No, none of us want you to get your character back. No, none of us feel bad that you cheated. And, no, none of us believe that you didnt read or know of the content in the EULA.
this is how the OPs first post should actually read:
"HI i used to use addons in WOW all the time but when i tried to use them in EVE i got banned and now im sad. is anyone else sad for me?"
thats pretty much the only argument hes made so far.
Can you even prove that ? Exelent technique of quantification i must say . . . since this then that . . . blah Nope, i assure you all my accounts are active. And i reported you for Forum violations you piece of [censored] Pantera Home Videos:http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/ck2ykdBrDRM/Pantera-Vulgar-Video-Full-Completo.html-á ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/xpma3u7OjfU/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD1.html ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/yyO9rAx8eoQ/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD2.html . |
Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
29
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Posted - 2013.09.14 10:43:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Sir Dragon wrote:How does it escape you that I am refering to CCP's joust with human nature. So people are just completely helpless and incapable of setting boundaries. Cool! That must be why the overwhelming majority of EVE's famously cutthroat playerbase hasn't been banned for the behavior you're talking about, right? The fact that threats and retaliation are an indisputable part of the human condition doesn't mean that everyone else should just roll over and let them happen. Think, man. It's not hard. Sir Dragon wrote:How does it escape you that i am not refering to the worst case senarios. You are calling for everyone who's been banned to be unbanned. That, by definition, includes all the worst case scenarios. So you're just flailing. Sir Dragon wrote:And by human nature i am refering to players that are getting banned for doing what they do in all other mmorpg's yet when they play Eve, they bring that cyber social bias with them . . expecting this game's EULA to be the same as all the other games ... and thus get banned. That's what the first strike is for: "Hey, yo, we don't do that here. Have a slap on the wrist." Permanent bans are reserved for people who know that they're doing something CCP doesn't want them to do, and do it anyway. Sir Dragon wrote:Ergo -> eve is hemoraging subscribers Yeah point me to a language that is not this flawed . . . Im not gona go reasoning with you . . . by definition you are correct in all of those points . . . Give some feed back . . . dont assume that when i said "un bann offenders" or what the [censored] i said . . . that i was refering to ISK sellers, or isk spammers . . . Infact, i took a 2 month pause from these forums just to get some proper feedback . . . Do you notice that every single last response is just Giberish about Isk spammers ? Its like a mad house in here. And thanks for you perspective. Ridiculous. In fact, the player base has been growing steadily despite the bans. You should probably start there and work backward until you are forced to conclude that your false conclusion follows directly from hallucinatory premises. If you want an arbitrarily customizable environment, Second Life is that way ---->.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13819
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Posted - 2013.09.14 20:56:00 -
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I'm not entirely sure what language the OP is using, but if someone can't be bothered to read the EULA, and gets banned for breaking it, then that's their problem, not CCPs and not ours.
I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
Article 8 is ToSh |
Lt Manshield
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:37:00 -
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Sir Dragon wrote:Yi-Ming Gren wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sir Dragon wrote:
We are not comprehending all the other cases that are absolutlly not deserving of a perminent bans; thus, we have spawned an entire base of unethically banned players...
I disagree. They chose to cheat. They chose to ignore the rules. They deserve to be banned. I have zero sympathy. Completely agree, I am tired of people thinking they deserve a warning or a second chance. Thank you . . . What about designing an "Ravenloft" . . . or the concept of N+¡+¦h+¦ggs Chamber (hell) . . So lets say a person can't stop the offenses due to its simple Evil nature . . . so instead of "banning" all the Evil people . . . and inveitabbly as the curve reaches infinity . . . having a player base of [censored] up good goody two shoes that don't know [censored] . . . all the Evil people would be in an private "N+¡+¦h+¦gs-Chamber" / Hell / Ravenloft . . . Duking it out or forming alliances . . . Hey maybe when all you [not u Ming Gren] evolve outof your [censored] egoes and see the forest for the BARKING . . . this post will make senece. Edited for clarity : A curve reaching infinity is a math concept . . . i am pointing out that the continued action of banning people for their "Ebil" nature will inevitably "given time" give us a player base of "goody goody two shoes".
Congratulations ... on stating blindingly obvious facts ... and drawing utterly [censored] [censored] [censored] *1#"$-º% conclusions... I am pointing out that - why should we care about botters being banned and and how would putting people useing [sic] bots and banned addons be putted [sicsicsic] into a separate game be other from banning them
internet spaceshippes for lyfe, also my ego and maths.
edit for understanding: maybe you see what I saying? |
Lt Manshield
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:38:00 -
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quote is not edit. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11683
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:01:00 -
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Sir Dragon wrote:every single last response is just Giberish
1 Kings 12:11
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Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cedar Knolls Research STEEL BROTHERHOOD
19
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Sir Dragon wrote:every single last response is just Giberish
While witnessing the spiral collapse of a thread can be entertaining, I think the merciful thing to do is to lock this thread before it degrades any further. |
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Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
31
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:09:00 -
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a) Guys, gals, seriouslly now. Stop spamming this post if you do not like it... u r just bumping it. b) I am speaking for a quantifiable-group of x-players that are not here anymore. c) CCP was discusing that the "banning system (something) (something) was to rough, quite a while ago" ; thus, I am playing the Devils-Advocate and helping CCP get the perspective that it is asking for. d) read "A". e) read "A". f) read "A". g) the origianl post was edited (only notification-of-persepctive-lines added ; else, the original post is unchanged exluding spelling-errors) due to popular perspecive flaws people kept [censored] about. Pantera Home Videos:http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/ck2ykdBrDRM/Pantera-Vulgar-Video-Full-Completo.html-á ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/xpma3u7OjfU/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD1.html ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/yyO9rAx8eoQ/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD2.html . |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
283
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Posted - 2013.09.20 12:12:00 -
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EvE and everything in it is CCP's property if they decide to ban someone for breaking the code of practice (which we all agreed to when signing up to play EvE) they can. What happens to, in or because of other games and the MMO industry at large matters not a jot.
End of story. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Echo Echoplex
92
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Posted - 2013.09.27 23:54:00 -
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Sir Dragon wrote:tl;dr
In conclusion, and beware the demonology . . . (its just letters) What kind of self delusional [sensored] would impliment such an reaction towards it's companies subscribers? No one! I would suggest that we have here an case of RL Corporate warfare, where we have been feed subterfuge and false statistics that ultamitely lead CCP to the self defeating "zero tolerance". An policy that cannot be changed by any regualr [muu muu] Joe cause Joe could never see through its ego, even if Eden IS burning!! So stop fighting your regular subscriber which is a space ship loving hacker that has better things todo then read 3k pages of EULA pr week and is via nature breed into following socialy acepted biases over all other things.
Sir Dragon wrote:g) the origianl post was edited (only notification-of-persepctive-lines added ; else, the original post is unchanged exluding spelling-errors) due to popular perspecive flaws people kept [censored] about.
Sir Dragon wrote:Thank you . . . What about designing an "Ravenloft" . . . or the concept of N+¡+¦h+¦ggs Chamber (hell) . .
Between the content, the syntax, the lack of Spellcheck and the references to words I've never heard i can't make out a thing you're saying. What is a snee? A muu muu? A Ravenloft or a Niohoggs Chamber?
This is like reading the EULA translated into Serbo-Croatian.
Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets. Gen. George S. Patton |
Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
33
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:28:00 -
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it is simple lore, and your absence from knowledge sounds like a "not my problem". Pantera Home Videos:http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/ck2ykdBrDRM/Pantera-Vulgar-Video-Full-Completo.html-á ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/xpma3u7OjfU/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD1.html ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/yyO9rAx8eoQ/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD2.html . |
Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
33
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:31:00 -
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Samillian wrote:EvE and everything in it is CCP's property if they decide to ban someone for breaking the code of practice (which we all agreed to when signing up to play EvE) they can. What happens to, in or because of other games and the MMO industry at large matters not a jot. Ignorance of or disagreeing with the EULA is not a defence.
End of story.
Yes yes, presuming that everyone reads it or can read is a falacy that will quantify the player base down to the current hanous pilots that are so prevailing to day . . . You are correct by definition.. I want the EULA violation to be posted IN-game right in front of the pilots face... while the auto pilots forces it to land and the pilot loses it flight licence for an x long time.. the x will insure that the use of banning has an effect.. such as permiting a pilot back after 6 months will teach the person a lesson. where as presuming every one reads or literate and via that fallacy ban perminity defies the purpose of teaching via banning. Pantera Home Videos:http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/ck2ykdBrDRM/Pantera-Vulgar-Video-Full-Completo.html-á ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/xpma3u7OjfU/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD1.html ;http://pktube.onepakistan.com/video/yyO9rAx8eoQ/Pantera-Watch-It-Go-Full-Completo-CD2.html . |
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