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Yavanni
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Posted - 2013.07.13 07:44:00 -
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So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me. |

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Posted - 2013.07.13 08:32:00 -
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I guess I should have included the (I thought) obvious, "when did all this change?" You are all so anxious to be helpful, one of you ought to have mentioned that much. |

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Posted - 2013.07.13 08:45:00 -
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2/3 expansions ago, and no one thinks it over the top that stealing a yellow can's contents gives ALL ships the right to pod you? what is the status that is higher degree than "suspect"? How do I earn it? |

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Posted - 2013.07.13 08:54:00 -
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Rich Uncle PennyBags wrote:Yavanni wrote:2/3 expansions ago, and no one thinks it over the top that stealing a yellow can's contents gives ALL ships the right to pod you? what is the status that is higher degree than "suspect"? How do I earn it? Criminal. You get it by shooting other ships. Thats concord time.
Those must be the only two negative statii now. Unless there is one for farting while docked. |

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Posted - 2013.07.13 09:08:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You've always been poddable in highsec, being suspect just increases the chance of it happening.
being poddable and everyone having a free pass to pod you are two entirely different things. |

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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:15:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:You decided to be a thief and then winge about it on the forums when people chase the thief legally  *slowclap* Here in Belgium a citizen went to jail for assaulting a burglar the other day. The burglar said he only meant to steal some **** out of the garage but then again what was he doing in the childrens' bedroom? Didn't matter, the guy still went to jail. Country has gone to **** when the rights of the criminal are more important then the rights of the victim. Criminals get health insurance through our nice system as well and collect unemployment cheques on top of their less legal job. Our jails are islands of luxury, with swimming pool, TV and internet privileges for the pedophiles. This helps a lot with the internationalization of our criminals ofc, whether they are good at their job or not, life is better in our jails then in their home country. Lesson is, if you assault a criminal in your home you better make sure you kill him. Corpses can't sue you and they are cheaper to society.
And I thought it was only like this in the USA. Sorry to hear that Belgium has gone the way of the pampered perpetrator as well. |

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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:18:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:You decided to be a thief and then winge about it on the forums when people chase the thief legally  *slowclap*
Being a thief used to be an honest profession. The only ones who could attack you were the copr members of the capsuleer from whom you stole. There must have been so many and loud whiners among the victims of thieves (or more likely, among gankers who were getting their ill-gotten loot stolen) that they pressured CCP into making theives vulnerable to attack the same as only assassins used to be. Way over the top, imho. |

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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:20:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:"I didn't bother reading any patch notes and now I'm being attacked by meanies because I did something bad."
Eve is a game of consequences, deal with it.
most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance. |

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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:21:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Yavanni wrote:So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me. To be a criminal is being a pro at it. Weak kneed opportunists need not apply. Gangbangers are nothing, it's the Al Capones and Godfathers that get the notoriety... as they pick challenging targets and truly willing to risk it all. So if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
best response so far. thanks for your input. |

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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:22:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/crimewatch/
Read up
I was ooking for something in the EVElopedia, thanks. |
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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:48:00 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Yavanni wrote: most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance.
In your opinion. There was almost no uproar in the forums because of this particular change. of course it's my opinion. and you may have noticed that I asked if anyone else thought the same, so, thanks for answering that question. |

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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:The criminal did something the country consider illegal. Why should the same country then protect his right? Because that's how rights work.
I've always thought that the criminal violation of another citizen's rights should be interpreted as an abdication of one's own rights. By betting that you won't get caught, and losing, you have traded your claim to the rights of a citizen for a minimilaized set of rights due to a criminal, for human right's sake only. But that minimalized set of rights should never give a convicted criminal more privileges than are available to the poorest citizen. |

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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:59:00 -
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Carribean Queen wrote:Yavanni wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You've always been poddable in highsec, being suspect just increases the chance of it happening. being poddable and everyone having a free pass to pod you are two entirely different things. Actually, no it's not. Theft, much as in real life, if somebody screams STOP THIEF and you're the one running away like a ****, you think nobody will step in and apply a smack down? Much as in real life, you got smacked the F down. It's much more realistic now. What dream world do you live in where a thief can be killed by any passerby who happens along? |

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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:02:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Yavanni wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:"I didn't bother reading any patch notes and now I'm being attacked by meanies because I did something bad."
Eve is a game of consequences, deal with it. most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance. How is it way out of balance? You chose to commit a crime. Once someone decided to engage you, you had the same option to kill and pod them.... To anyone that actually thought this through, it makes perfect sense, and is well balanced..... Here you have more info than I do. It's nice to know that if I am in a well fitted PvP ship I can loot a yellow can or wreck and if someone attacks me, I can pod them, if I am able to do so, without worrying about concord. |

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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:04:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Yavanni wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:"I didn't bother reading any patch notes and now I'm being attacked by meanies because I did something bad."
Eve is a game of consequences, deal with it. most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance. It's balanced in the sense that you know what you're doing is a crime and CHOOSE to do it. Because you CHOOSE to do it, there's consequences. Cause and Effect. If you still want to be a criminal, operating in protected space, don't blame anyone else for that choice. You choose to be a criminal, and the life of a criminal is living on the run and every law enforcement coming after you.
my post isn't about "every law enforcement coming after you" its about every tom, **** and harry coming after you. |

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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:07:00 -
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grrlet wrote:Yavanni wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:You decided to be a thief and then winge about it on the forums when people chase the thief legally  *slowclap* Being a thief used to be an honest profession. The only ones who could attack you were the copr members of the capsuleer from whom you stole. There must have been so many and loud whiners among the victims of thieves (or more likely, among gankers who were getting their ill-gotten loot stolen) that they pressured CCP into making theives vulnerable to attack the same as only assassins used to be. Way over the top, imho. I think it was more the pvp folks crying about carebears not pvping. This was CCPs first steps towards making PVP available to high sec folks and establishing an eve where ppl to take part in self policing instead of relying on concord. edit: fixed grammer Second best response. |

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Posted - 2013.07.14 03:01:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Yavanni wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Yavanni wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:"I didn't bother reading any patch notes and now I'm being attacked by meanies because I did something bad."
Eve is a game of consequences, deal with it. most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance. It's balanced in the sense that you know what you're doing is a crime and CHOOSE to do it. Because you CHOOSE to do it, there's consequences. Cause and Effect. If you still want to be a criminal, operating in protected space, don't blame anyone else for that choice. You choose to be a criminal, and the life of a criminal is living on the run and every law enforcement coming after you. my post isn't about "every law enforcement coming after you" its about every tom, **** and harry coming after you. What did you think would come after you, Tinkerbell?  as stated in an earlier post, what I expected to come after me was anyone in the corp of the capsuleer who left the yellow can or wreck. I expected the security or threat countdown to indicate that some specific individual or group had a right to come after me - NOT everyone. |

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Posted - 2013.07.14 03:05:00 -
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Verunae Caseti wrote:Yavanni wrote:most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance. Most games suck. Most of everything sucks. If you want a name for it, call it the rule of Mediocrity. |

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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:28:00 -
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Vega Umbranox wrote:i agree tbh i think you shouldnt be able to be podded from suspect timer in highsec. GCC yes
Thank you |

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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:35:00 -
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Burseg Sardaukar wrote:The way things used to go for me:
In 0.4, tackle some guy in belt, take small, initial sec hit. Wait patiently for him to shoot back to avoid HUGE sec hit for property destruction. Leave the pod alone because I'm lazy and don't want to rat my sec up.
The way things go for me now: In 0.4, tackle some guy in a belt, take medium sec hit. Wait patiently for him to shoot back so I get Limited Engagement. POD HIM BECAUSE NO PENALTY. Or hell, now I can just smoke his ship and pod and just buy my sec back with tags.
Best. Changes. Ever.
#WINNING.
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Posted - 2013.07.16 07:14:00 -
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Elliavir wrote:Yavanni wrote:So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me. Read through this thread before answering, and you seem to be equating podkilling with actual killing. Podkilling, since you are functionally immortal in the game through cloning, is more like a stern intervention. Maybe like tripping you or punching you or something like that to stop you as you run away with someone's purse. Which folks IRL do quite often. The yellow flashy tag is, in effect, someone yelling "Stop, thief!". The scenario you want - you steal from someone, and only they or their close associates can intervene. So, if they are alone and/or unable to respond you can freely and openly walk over to the next target, in full view of a crowd of people, steal their stuff, and so on. Indefinitely, if you pick your targets well. Which is mind-bogglingly unrealistic. The new crimewatch is far more realistic, once you get over the bizarre equating of podkilling with actual death. People who are gunned down IRL don't just waltz out of a clone bay a few seconds later a bit poorer for the experience. Actual thieves usually have to run and hide for a bit after committing a theft. It's a skill you might want to learn if you wish to continue your career as a thief.
This has nothing to do with clones or clone bays. The real life equivalent is: You pick up a purse someone set on the ground and walked away from and walk or run to your car. Now not only can anyone who wants to (rather than just the owner of the purse and her extended family) play hero and come and shoot out your tires and your radiator, now they can come over to the car after disabling it and put the gun to your head and pull the trigger. And folks in real life DO NOT pull out guns and shoot out your tires and radiator. AND if they are going to make it so that ANYONE can attack you, they should have reduced the amount of time you had to stay under cover from 15 minutes to, say, 10 minutes. |

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Posted - 2013.07.29 07:24:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Yavanni wrote: What dream world do you live in where a thief can be killed by any passerby who happens along?
The Old West an exelent choice of dream worlds. |

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Posted - 2013.07.29 07:26:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Yavanni wrote:...Being a thief used to be an honest profession... I think by definition thievery isn't an honest profession. it is one of the oldest, therefor time-honored, if not honest, professions. But I was speaking as a player in a PvP gaming environment. |
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