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Posted - 2013.11.18 22:18:00 -
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>Buy ships for real money
>2 years before release
I'm not sure what's more impressive, that they set a new record for a MMOG to degenerate into P2W at -2 years, or pushing the boundaries of selling non-things from the realm of things that only exist virtually into the realm of things that don't exist at all.
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Posted - 2013.11.30 02:29:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Considering the ships are mostly ships you get within 2-3 weeks of playing, and most only have 1 or 2 of those (and the vast majority have what's equal to a T1 frigate) I don't see it as p2w. I'll grant that it's not particularly severe, my focus was more on them doing it at least two years before the game even launches.
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:58:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:[speech] That was a very nice little speech, not sure why you quoted my post though, since it has nothing to with my concerns about the game.
Nonetheless, regarding for your statements about the community, to get a feel for it I read the EVE thread on the SC forums and the SC thread on the EVE forums (i.e. this one, which is how I ended up posting in it initially).
This thread is largely SC folks trying to convince EVE folks that they are going to compete and EVE is going to lose, and EVE folks explaining why they think that isn't the case.
Their thread is largely undisguised vitriol and bitterness towards EVE and all involved, and pre-emptive celebration of EVE's demise and the tears of all those who have the temerity to like different things.
The number of "yes I play/played EVE" posts in that thread tell us that SC will indeed take people from EVE, but the tone tells us that it will mostly be the worst part of the playerbase, and EVE will be better for it.
As for your little snipe at CCP at the end, well, as with the vitriol on the SC forums, nothing said changes the fact that CCP has been running a successful niche MMORPG for ten years now, while actually working towards a vision, and actually integrating player feedback into a living game design, while SC is still just selling people promises.
Finally, do I have to do anything in particular to get access to the dogfight module, like buy some of Chris Roberts' hopes and dreams before it is released, or can I just pick it up when it comes out? I wouldn't mind having a space game to putter around in over Christmas, I did the same with EVE in 2005 and well, here I am.
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:18:00 -
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digitalwanderer wrote:A vision that is constantly changing and a lot of content not even half implemented yet Life is hard when you have to work on something which actually exists.
digitalwanderer wrote:Eve is getting boring for the old farts of the game, the same people that keep the game going financially as they are in it for the long run and accept the challenge that it used to be, not this watered down version it has become.... After ten years straight it's getting boring? I'd call that an amazing success. As for financial support, I wonder exactly how much of EVE's money comes from people who have been playing non-stop since day 1.
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Posted - 2013.11.30 15:35:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:In every businesss, bad customers are the majority of customers. Can you guess what happens to a business whose model tries to get rid of the bad customers?
Have a clue: every good customer starts as a bad customer. Bad customers? Who said anything about bad customers? Players who can't hack EVE and end up as bitter SC backers paid their subscription like everyone else. ...?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:CCP has been running their first and only successful game for ten years, that's true. But their next attempt at a game has been a fiasco, partly because it was supposed to crutch on EVE rather than be a good game in itself. And? Still leaves the score at 10 years for CCP's MMOG, and -2 years for Roberts'.
What, is Star Citizen so good that any other company must produce at least 2 successful games to match mere promises sold to you by Roberts?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:As for integrating player feedback into EVE, what do you mean? The CSM, which 86% the players totally ignore? Or maybe you mean the null interaction with players before developing the Hallelujah Plan? Or totally ignoring the demands fthat CCP fulfiills the promises on avatar content and gameplay? I mean, in general, CCP fixing and adding components of the game that the players actually want, which they used to ignore in favour of killer app features that always went unfinished.
You're really having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find criticisms of CCP at this point. Most players don't care enough to have a strong opinion on what the devs should so with the game? Yeah, in this and every other game. They have their own vision for the game independent of what the players want? Of course they do, how do you think you end up with a game for players to comment on if someone doesn't design it first? Demands for avatar content? This would be the avatar content that was vocally declared a waste of dev time by the majority of the playerbase before it was released, and caused the biggest subscription loss in EVE history when its true nature was revealed? Yes, they are truly a terrible company for not continuing down that suicidal line.
Let's tl;dr all this. You, like all "SC is great, EVE is terrible" people, are basically talking crap. I have no problem with people criticising CCP as they have done a lot of stupid **** over the years, but you are coming at this from the perspective of "everyone will/should leave EVE because look how bad EVE/CCP are compared to SC/CIG", when the latter has yet to produce a single component of their game, let alone the whole thing. You are floating around in the world of ideas while criticising something which actually exists for having the flaws that come with actually being a thing. Come back when CIG actually does a better job with SC than CCP do with EVE.
And you didn't answer my question about how I get to play with the dogfight module over Christmas.
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Posted - 2013.11.30 22:19:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Currently SC, the game that doesn't exist, already haves more unique users than EVE haves after 10 years of space friendship and meanness. What SC has is backers. Whether it'll have many or any users once Roberts delivers whatever he is going to deliver, remains to be seen.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 10:00:00 -
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Varathius wrote:So you really still want to make Valkyrie? More like, people still want them to make Valkyrie.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:48:00 -
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Varathius wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Varathius wrote:So you really still want to make Valkyrie? More like, people still want them to make Valkyrie. Well then I guess those people will need a reality check then. Remains to be seen.
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:46:00 -
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It's true, this could turn out to be another game which promises to be among the greatest games ever and actually delivers on those promises, just like .... and .... .
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:39:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Unfortunately for the Eve Dev team the reason SC is not exactly like Eve is because SC is going to have a bunch of the things Eve lacks. Anything worth having?
Even ignoring the issue of SC being nothing but hopes and dreams for now, even if everything you just listed actually materialises, there's still the issue of "so what?".
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:31:00 -
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Call me crazy, but I think Malcanis is being sarcastic.
Anyway, if SC delivers, we get a cool new space game to play, if it tanks, the ocean of tears which result will keep us sustained for years to come.
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:39:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Every additional feature past the 26 million mark will be released after launch as they belong to post launch plans rather than development plans.
No feature-creeping, no nasty surprises on what will and will not make it into initial launch. And yet supporters have given almost 8 additional million dollars since then; probably today will be reached the 34 million stretch goal. Up to now I thought you were just trolling, but you've actually been taken in by this, haven't you? You really can't grasp that at some point this game will intersect with reality and Chris Roberts saying it shall be so will not necessarily make it so.
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Posted - 2014.09.16 04:10:00 -
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This thread has been pretty awful every time I've looked in on it, but I've never seen it drop to the level where the argument was over whether EVE is a progress quest or an actual game.
If these are the people who are going to leave, SC can't release soon enough.
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