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Phaade
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Posted - 2013.07.16 05:22:00 -
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Why?
Discuss. |
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Posted - 2013.07.16 17:34:00 -
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NotTheSmartestCookie wrote:Because you fail at piloting.
/discussion
DERP goes the troll.
Okay, more specifically, why can heavy drones track interceptors with an AB, 33 sig radius at 1700ms |
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:05:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Because drones of a pilot with good drone skills flies close to those speeds, so instead of orbiting they follow you and therefore their angular velocity towards your ships is actually small. This allows them to reliably hit you and their high damage output compensates for the lack in hit quality. That or some kind of pilot error.
omg the bad in this response is overwhelming. They shouldn't hit often if you are moving that fast. If they are then you aren't being honest with yourself.
No, I'm being completely honest, I was checking this out with a corp mate in a Domi. He did have one tracking mod for the drones.
Orbiting at 2500 meters going about 1600 m/s with an AB malediction i was tracked beautifully. I would have been destroyed in 3 - 4 volleys, all of which hit me on the first attempt and hit hard.
I understand heavies can't chase me down so of course I can disengage, but the point is that I should be able to tackle the damn battleship in an interceptor. Try it out, it's actually quite ridiculous. |
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:08:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Heavy drones can't track a cruiser. If they are tracking your interceptor- you are either not moving, scrammed / webbed. So don't do those things.
Again, false. I am not scrammed / webbed. I am orbiting at about 1600 m/s with a sig radius of 33.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:11:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:God's Apples wrote:If you're scrammed and webbed they'll track you np. If you're orbiting at long range with MWD on they won't be able to keep up with you. They just won't.. Maybe they hit alright if you're double webbed but Heavies just generally do ****. Not on a Dominix or Navy Vexor. Those two ships get tracking bonuses for drones. On my Navy Vexor... Beserker drones have a tracking speed of 0.708... which is MUCH better than my "Derptron" Atron with Neutron Blasters (which tracks at around 0.474). Plus the drones have a MWD speed close to 2000 m/sec (thanks to the Navy Vexor's ship bonuses) and have roughtly the same amount of EHP as the aforementioned Atron. Each. And this is before drone mods and rigs too!!!  So yeah... if you're in a frigate (even an interceptor) and you see a Navy Vexor of Dominix... just fly away.
Ahhh, thankfully someone on these boards is willing to respond with some intelligence instead of "YOU FAIL AT PILOTING"
That's interesting....I'm surprised the tracking bonus gets the drone's tracking to that high, that's ridiculous.
I guess I'll never try to tackle a Domi or Navy Vexor. |
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:17:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:1700m/s is about perfect mwd speed for berserkers. They'll follow you since they have similar agility and since they are moving at almost the same speed will have very little angular velocity and hit you for full damage.
The way to avoid heavy drones is to use your MWD.
The drones following my orbit and cutting my angular makes a little sense. Not sure why heavies have such a high orbit velocity but I suppose that's a different discussion.
I attempted the same thing with an MWD, the heavy drones from the domi still hit for about the same as with the AB, though I was going about 3k m/s in my orbit of the Domi.
I still don't like it, but it is what it is. |
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:19:00 -
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Pulgy wrote:Scrubs these days don't know how to fly intys -_-
Replicate the scenario that I was in and see if your results are any different.
Until that time, kindly **** off. |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:13:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Phaade wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:1700m/s is about perfect mwd speed for berserkers. They'll follow you since they have similar agility and since they are moving at almost the same speed will have very little angular velocity and hit you for full damage.
The way to avoid heavy drones is to use your MWD. The drones following my orbit and cutting my angular makes a little sense. Not sure why heavies have such a high orbit velocity but I suppose that's a different discussion. I attempted the same thing with an MWD, the heavy drones from the domi still hit for about the same as with the AB, though I was going about 3k m/s in my orbit of the Domi. I still don't like it, but it is what it is. well of course if you orbit like a moron, you're bound to circle around back into the drones' optimals before long. If you orbit people when flying an inty you're doing it wrong.
Lmao, I'm sorry?
What are your tactics for attempting a tackle on a BS with an interceptor? Please, enlighten me.
Me being in a heavy drone's optimal has jack **** to do with their tracking. |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 22:47:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:It's not tackling "A BS" you are tackling a dominix with heavy drones.
And being in the drone's optimal while orbiting with MWD on has EVERYTHING to do with them being able to hit you.
Eventually you will circle around while the drones are chasing you and your trajectories will line up and they will volley you nicely.
Also let me guess: you have a MSE on your inty.
Man, it's like people don't even read before responding with idiocy.
I WAS USING AN AFTERBURNER WITH A SIG RADIUS OF 33, ORBITING AROUND 3-4KM, GOING ABOUT 1600 MS. Maybe since it's in all caps and in bold you might actually read it.
And no, optimal has nothing to do with tracking. I don't believe heavies should be able to track the way they do, even if it's specifically from a Dominix. Lights, of course, mediums....sure, heavies, wtf?
I don't care if they can hit me once because my angular lines up, I care that they can hit me with every single shot, popping me in about 3 - 4 volleys.
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:07:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:Grandma Squirel wrote:As mentioned by others, if your flying at a speed between the orbit velocity, and max velocity of a drone, they are following you, not orbiting. You either need to slow down, or speed up. Same as if it were a ship, if your velocity is 1.7k, and your orbiting a ship with a velocity of 1.6, they are going to have a very easy time with tracking. Seems to answer your question, I did not see your reply to this. Also, WHY so Seri0Us? It's just pixels right?
Actually yeah him and another guy answered my question. It's a messed up mechanic but it makes sense. I suppose at this point I am responding to trolls / tards.
Then my next question is: why hasn't this been addressed by CCP? It is clearly a flawed mechanic. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:58:00 -
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Trinket, the entirety of your post is irrelevant.
I understand that the ideal way to tackle a Dominix is using MWD and a warp disrupt.
The scenario is that heavy drones (ogres in particular) can track one of the smallest and fastest targets in the game. I don't understand why this is, or should be, the case.
You also realize that heavy drones from a different ship could do the same right? They don't have to be exclusively from a Domi. This is the fundamental problem. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:01:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:Phaade wrote:Donbe Scurred wrote:Grandma Squirel wrote:As mentioned by others, if your flying at a speed between the orbit velocity, and max velocity of a drone, they are following you, not orbiting. You either need to slow down, or speed up. Same as if it were a ship, if your velocity is 1.7k, and your orbiting a ship with a velocity of 1.6, they are going to have a very easy time with tracking. Seems to answer your question, I did not see your reply to this. Also, WHY so Seri0Us? It's just pixels right? Actually yeah him and another guy answered my question. It's a messed up mechanic but it makes sense. I suppose at this point I am responding to trolls / tards. Then my next question is: why hasn't this been addressed by CCP? It is clearly a flawed mechanic. Not sure I agree it is flawed, now that you understand why, can't you come up with a counter? I admit I am no expert but it seems after reading this thread you should be using a MWD in this situation as the sig penalty will not be as great as the speed difference in the tracking equation.
It seems to me that it is a bug. If the drones MWD over to you, but your speed is faster than their orbit, they match your speed and follow you? That doesn't make sense, does it? |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:35:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:Drone programing: Can I maintain orbit based off targets speed? Yes  Orbit and shut off MWD No Approach and leave MWD on Where is the bug? How could you program it differently?
Because that's not what's actually happening from what I have gathered in this post. It seems that drones will MWD towards you, reach orbit range and attempt to orbit at their "orbit velocity" listed under show info.
What is actually happening is that if your speed is higher than their orbit velocity listed under show info, they will match your speed (whatever it is) and follow you at the same speed you're traveling at, Not at their MWD speed, or orbit velocity. These should be their only two options as far as velocity, but it appears they do something funky, and take the third option of following you by matching your speed, thus negating any tracking requirements.
That's what I've gathered from the previous posts on pg 2. |
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Posted - 2013.07.26 16:30:00 -
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Yeah I suppose if they MWD at 1.57km/s then that's about perfect for following me.
As for the tracking speed heavies have (on the Domi), it's far too high IMO.
I still don't like it lol. |
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