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Claude Leon	Posted - 2005.12.11 02:51:00 - [31] Originally by: Lygos The only problem I have is that there are so many generalist skills. I dislike the idea of having a really high sp character. I scarcely desire to work harder to afford the raised cost of clone death above and beyond the value of a ship I would normally fly, yet the costs of not doing so are even higher. If there were more specialized combat trees, training up more than one character would be more feasable. Right now there are so many generalist skills, that you would have to have a 15M sp alt just to have every elementary skill for piloting a single ethnicity tech1 frigate maxed. Generalist skills are just global timesinks usually. On the other side of the coin, non-globalist skills hamper the flexibility of mains for better or worse. The destroyers skill gives "mains" alot of flexibility, but a different generalist skill like sharpshooter is a pure time sink to new player's or separate character's competitiveness. As a result, having an NPCing/manufacturing main and a moderately well trained, but highly specialized pvp second is not really viable. Ergo, many people simply rely on a very minimalist kestrel alt with probably less than a few hundred thousand sp. Maybe it would be a lot more fun to have three very specialized characters. Maybe everyone having a market character would be bad for the game.. but I don't see how the tech1 market can really be damaged further. All in all, I haven't really bothered to give the problem very much thought as it's largely a moot point. I hope EVE2 nixes this quandary from the start. That is how it is suppose to be. You should be maxxed out in a bunch of general skills to be able to max out on something. (Oh noes! Here comes a real life generalization.) Look at yourself, your not just specialized in one area are you? Probably not. The suggestions for using alts are absurd. Scout? How about you use your main? Oh. my bad. Your too scared to. Market Check? How about you actually fly your MAIN over the next region. Oh, yeah. That is really a hard thing to do. CCP, should have removed ALTS along time ago and they still can. Give the people who have current alts the chance to transfer them over to new accounts for a reduced price. Once, that period is complete REMOVE the other two slots totally. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-2/12962/claudesig9xe.jpg Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allow. mail us if you have any questions -Garik Daemon
GeneralD	Posted - 2005.12.11 04:10:00 - [32] Edited by: GeneralD on 11/12/2005 04:14:25 Another option might be to have the ability to Re-Spec your charecter. It works very well in City of Hereos. After you win a very hard mission you then get to re assign all of your skills to try somthing new or correct some mistake you made as you were building your charecter. Also when the Devs nerf some existing skill they give out free respecs so your charecter can be re-done under the new conditions. If that was the case you could do away with Alts, I have 1 alt for scouting, 1 alt for chaining rats and 1 alt for PVP. I would hate to be stuck doing the same thing day after day. Just a thought, GeneralD
Berneh	Posted - 2005.12.11 05:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Princi**a I see no harm in this, we can make a 2nd account anyways. No.
Noriath	Posted - 2005.12.11 06:13:00 - [34] You shouldn't even be allowed to have 2 characters at a time IMO.
Ukucia	Posted - 2005.12.11 06:56:00 - [35] Originally by: GeneralD Edited by: GeneralD on 11/12/2005 04:14:25 Another option might be to have the ability to Re-Spec your charecter. It works very well in City of Hereos. EvE already has the ability to 'respec'. Just learn the new skills. (Yes, I know you're really looking for a shortcut so that you don't have to take the time to train) Games like CoH put in respecs because in their games you can't learn every possible skill. EvE has no such restriction.
Daxes	Posted - 2005.12.11 07:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Ukucia Originally by: GeneralD Edited by: GeneralD on 11/12/2005 04:14:25 Another option might be to have the ability to Re-Spec your charecter. It works very well in City of Hereos. EvE already has the ability to 'respec'. Just learn the new skills. (Yes, I know you're really looking for a shortcut so that you don't have to take the time to train) Games like CoH put in respecs because in their games you can't learn every possible skill. EvE has no such restriction. sure it has, its called "time".
Tony Fats	Posted - 2005.12.11 07:55:00 - [37] Some of you are using faulty logic. No, you can't train 2 character on WoW, unless you pay a "leveling service." Here the leveling service is CCP. You can train up 2 or 3 or 10 or 20 accounts at the same time, the only difference is the number of "accounts" that CCP can claim as "active" ("over 90,000 players!") and the extra income they receive from people with 2,3,4,5 accounts. On the other hand, most games make you purchase an "expansion" every 6 months while in Eve it's free. I only have 1 account, I'm not sure what I would do with a second, maybe train up industry or something but I don't even like industry, nor science, nor trading, nor exploring. So I'm kind of limited to ratting/pvp/missions/mining as far as activities go, because that's all I like to do. So to me, I like to think I get a pretty good deal cuz I get free expansions and only need to pay for 1 account. If I ever felt I needed 2 accounts to play I would just leave, cuz I don't believe in letting companies milk me, it's not about money, it's about principle. SOE milked its customers, so I never bought another product from them. I can afford anything, its not a question of money, it's a question of not being a slave to consumer culture. Its the same reason I don't buy Christmas gifts. I am happy to support Eve Online because it respects my consumer dollar and doesn't try to milk me.
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.12.11 10:11:00 - [38] Originally by: Khatred She's right, I mean come on, in all other mmorpg's you can log with 2 or more characters form the same account and kill mobs/do quests at the same time. Which ones? Web-based wow rip offs? The reason you can train only 1 char per account is simple: you can only grind with 1 char at a time in other mmo's. So why be able to train 2 chars at the same time in eve?
Tony Fats	Posted - 2005.12.11 13:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Khatred She's right, I mean come on, in all other mmorpg's you can log with 2 or more characters form the same account and kill mobs/do quests at the same time. Which ones? Web-based wow rip offs? The reason you can train only 1 char per account is simple: you can only grind with 1 char at a time in other mmo's. So why be able to train 2 chars at the same time in eve? Didn't you hear what I just said? You can grind 2 chars at the same time in Eve. Just costs an extra 15 bucks.
Lunaticdie04	Posted - 2005.12.11 13:20:00 - [40] Originally by: Galk Well now we can pay for extra accounts in isk.... WTF? You don't mean selling isk on ebay for real cash and then getting new accounts do you? I remember last year they did the Power of 2 offer which was a cool deal and would like to see another one of those coming soon. I know loads of people got another account just to take advantage of that deal and I doubt it was a loss to CCP since you could only take advantage if you already had an account. Also getting rid of alts is a bit lame. For those of us that can only afford 1 account having those extra spaces to make hauling alts or market alts for other regions is a godsend. And for whoever said that having market alts is lazy is being silly. Have you actually tried flying from one end of empire space to another just to search for/pick up an item? It takes frigging ages and I don't want to spend half my playing time travelling about looking for something. And alt spys aren't bad. In fact that what makes warfare in EVE just that more fun. Espionage can help a relatively small corp/alliance make a big impact on a larger enemy. I guess what CCP could do is a charge a bit more for people who want to train alts on the same account. So say for a normal account sub is Ç10 (it's not really, I know) and for players who want the option to train a 2nd char at the same time pay maybe half or quarter of a new account ie Ç15, Ç12.50 respectively.
Ukucia	Posted - 2005.12.12 07:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Lunaticdie04 Originally by: Galk Well now we can pay for extra accounts in isk.... WTF? You don't mean selling isk on ebay for real cash and then getting new accounts do you? No, you can go over to the sales forum, and someone will sell you a game time card for ISK.
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.12.12 10:26:00 - [42] Please no multiple training, that would only lead to people minmaxing more: they're have one "miner" character with minmaxed mining skills, and one combat character that could ignore all that. Blech. Right now you have to decide what you want to do, and training in one area means no training in others. And that's just how it should be. Maximized characters are boring, it leads to "templates" and other silliness we see in other games.
Wizzkidy	Posted - 2005.12.12 10:40:00 - [43] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Right now you have to decide what you want to do, and training in one area means no training in others. And that's just how it should be. Maximized characters are boring, it leads to "templates" and other silliness we see in other games. Nah you just buy 2 accounts _______________________________ Waa it still too big not by much tho
Sanaen Eydanwadh	Posted - 2005.12.12 10:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Claude Leon Originally by: rig0r Originally by: Mak'shar Karrde I'd rather alts be removed completely. That would also solve this little problem... Signed. Signed x3. Signage n¦4, of course. Alts are amongst the lamest things in EVE - if anything they need a big and painfull nerf in the teeths, with as much blood as possible, and no silly boost.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2005.12.12 11:12:00 - [45] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 12/12/2005 11:13:29 Originally by: Tony Fats You can grind 2 chars at the same time in Eve. Just costs an extra 15 bucks. Pay 1 account, have fun with one char. Pay 2 accounts, have fun with 2 chars in EVE. Pay 0 accounts, don't have fun in EVE. Never heard the people with 0 accounts complain that they can train one char less than the people with 1 account. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2005.12.12 11:15:00 - [46] Originally by: Garik Daemon Lots of reasons why it shouldnt we allowed. Macro miners. For the price of one account they make more money Character farmers selling characters on e-bay. Originally by: Princi**a Atm theres no point having an ALT tbh. Lots of uses for an alt. Market checks, spies and my <sarcasm>favorite: For use in the Corporations & Alliances Discussion forum. </sarcasm> Keep this thread on topic. No flaming please. YOU SAY MACRO MINERS, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT WHEN WE PETITION THEM TO GET THEM OUT! ____ Click me
Embattle	Posted - 2005.12.12 11:19:00 - [47] Originally by: Sanaen Eydanwadh Originally by: Claude Leon Originally by: rig0r Originally by: Mak'shar Karrde I'd rather alts be removed completely. That would also solve this little problem... Signed. Signed x3. Signage n¦4, of course. Alts are amongst the lamest things in EVE - if anything they need a big and painfull nerf in the teeths, with as much blood as possible, and no silly boost. Agreed......by the way can I petition to have someones capslock disabled? ----------- I would have a sig but it might break a arm, leg or even worse a rule.
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2005.12.12 11:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Embattle Agreed......by the way can I petition to have someones capslock disabled? Sorry, when I get excited I tend to glue my finger to the shift key pretty hard. ____ Click me
Malarkey	Posted - 2005.12.12 11:52:00 - [49] Training two characters at same time = bad idea Alts are useful - keep them as they are
Lunaticdie04	Posted - 2005.12.12 12:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Ukucia Originally by: Lunaticdie04 Originally by: Galk Well now we can pay for extra accounts in isk.... WTF? You don't mean selling isk on ebay for real cash and then getting new accounts do you? No, you can go over to the sales forum, and someone will sell you a game time card for ISK. Wasn't this illegal/contriversal (sp?) since it's like selling isk for something that has RL money value. And there is no guarantee that the Timecard will work or hasn't already been used.
Siren Shiva	Posted - 2005.12.12 12:53:00 - [51] Originally by: Khatred She's right, I mean come on, in all other mmorpg's you can log with 2 or more characters form the same account and kill mobs/do quests at the same time. Um, which one? I played a lot of MMORPG's and I cant think of one single that allowed this. In all online games you need 2 accounts to play 2 characters at the same time. And other than Eve, they dont allow you to skill up while offline.
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.12.12 14:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Wizzkidy Originally by: Alex Harumichi Right now you have to decide what you want to do, and training in one area means no training in others. And that's just how it should be. Maximized characters are boring, it leads to "templates" and other silliness we see in other games. Nah you just buy 2 accounts Yeah, but that at least forces you to pay for the privilege.
Khatred	Posted - 2005.12.12 14:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Khatred She's right, I mean come on, in all other mmorpg's you can log with 2 or more characters form the same account and kill mobs/do quests at the same time. Which ones? Web-based wow rip offs? The reason you can train only 1 char per account is simple: you can only grind with 1 char at a time in other mmo's. So why be able to train 2 chars at the same time in eve? Doh, it's called sarcasm _________________________________________ I win Eve, I am better than you, I know everything, you know nothing, I rock, you blow.

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