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Ralus	Posted - 2005.12.11 15:14:00 - [31] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr It's probably the biggest bang in this country since the Blitz, if not even bigger than those. Not surprising it frightened the hell out of a lot of people - including my two nieces, age 9 and 7, who live in Luton and got hurled out of bed this morning at just after six am. na flixburgh prob holds that one. Very Very big bang though, Accidents do happen and thats prob what happened there, remember Piper Alpha, that happened simply because the wrong valve got cloased. I hope all all those affected are safe.
Lunaticdie04	Posted - 2005.12.11 16:01:00 - [32] I go to Uni of herts which is pretty close by and I didn't hear/feel a thing, but I do sleep quite deeply. Some of my friends said they heard something and it was a bit foggy out today.
Dante Chusuk	Posted - 2005.12.11 16:08:00 - [33] I could see the smoke from my house earlier and I am virtually the opposite side of London.
Leo McGarry	Posted - 2005.12.11 18:28:00 - [34] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 11/12/2005 08:59:59 My mum lives down near there, about a mile away too. Hemel is also famous for it's Jedi (Again, near my mum's) Seems to be a big-ass explosion. Edit: Leo, are you in Adeyfield then? Yeah, and believe it or not my sister is best friends with the bloke who did that Jedi thing.
aeti	Posted - 2005.12.11 18:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Greyshadow I live in redbourn, damn thing woke me up so I drove over before the other explosions happened, quite a site I have to admit. Nice to see others local to me play eve
Thomus	Posted - 2005.12.11 19:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Greyshadow I live in redbourn, damn thing woke me up so I drove over before the other explosions happened, quite a site I have to admit. Nice to see others local to me play eve shame it takes a disaster to bring people together.... if i put bleach in teh water supply of the whole country, and we all talk about it here, then we'll all come together.... ? ---------------- Tom
solidshot	Posted - 2005.12.11 19:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Thomus Originally by: Greyshadow I live in redbourn, damn thing woke me up so I drove over before the other explosions happened, quite a site I have to admit. Nice to see others local to me play eve shame it takes a disaster to bring people together.... if i put bleach in teh water supply of the whole country, and we all talk about it here, then we'll all come together.... ? wouldnt bother with the bleach we already got chryptosporidium in ours where i am
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.12.11 19:14:00 - [38] Originally by: Leo McGarry Originally by: FireFoxx80 Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 11/12/2005 08:59:59 My mum lives down near there, about a mile away too. Hemel is also famous for it's Jedi (Again, near my mum's) Seems to be a big-ass explosion. Edit: Leo, are you in Adeyfield then? Yeah, and believe it or not my sister is best friends with the bloke who did that Jedi thing. My best mate back in Hemel's nephew is the guy who filmed it. 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
Greyshadow	Posted - 2005.12.11 19:51:00 - [39] Edited by: Greyshadow on 11/12/2005 19:51:40 Originally by: aeti Originally by: Greyshadow I live in redbourn, damn thing woke me up so I drove over before the other explosions happened, quite a site I have to admit. Nice to see others local to me play eve Where you based hemel? Also my friend has been told to leave her home as they are expecting a explosion 3 times the size as the one this morning and they think it will do serious damage. Feel like I should pass on this message to anyone near by as even where I am it will break all my windows. I'll add she lives in those block of houses where the windows and doors got busted. Obviously I can't be 100% but this has come from a policeman going from door to door so I'd take it pretty seriously. "Now you see me, now you don't!"
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.12.12 07:39:00 - [40] Still burning then 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
Dr Slaughter	Posted - 2005.12.12 10:42:00 - [41] Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 12/12/2005 10:42:41 Originally by: FireFoxx80 Still burning then Well that might be partially because they don't appear to: 1. Build the tanks underground so you could wheel large blast doors over the top and cut off the oxygen supply (oh.. and direct most of the shock waves UP IN THE AIR... rather than across the local area) 2. Have at least 25% capacity in empty back-up tanks so they can pump some of the fuel away, 3. Bother to store enough foam within 5 miles of the site to put the whole dam thing out (without having to wait 24+ hours for it to arrive from elsewhere.. god only knows what they would do if another one went up right now), 4. Previously provided the Health Service with information on what the fumes/smoke will do to people if they're effected by it. Bit of a case of: HELLO WHAT THE F&úK ARE OUR TAXES ACTUALLY PAYING FOR? Cos. it sure isn't strategic thinking -- select * FROM posts (nolock) where clue > 0 -- 0 rows returned
votrian alpha	Posted - 2005.12.12 11:23:00 - [42] I live in Hemel, in the Old Town and I thought a car had hit my house. I checked and all was ok and went back to bed, then got woken up as my neighbours started to get out of the house and investigate. Then my mobile went off. Still burning now but at least the M1 is open. Is it true that the bang was heard in Holland and France? Unbelieveable. Nice to see that HH has its share of EVE players. Those two lads running up to the blaze with their camcorders: mad but priceless. Pictures from Reuters and Alertnet
Lianhaun	Posted - 2005.12.12 11:45:00 - [43] Didn't hear a bang in Gouda nor in Leiden ( holland)
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.12.12 12:09:00 - [44] I find it funny, since this actually makes Hemel famous for once. 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
Ralus	Posted - 2005.12.12 12:26:00 - [45] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 12/12/2005 10:42:41 Originally by: FireFoxx80 Still burning then Well that might be partially because they don't appear to: 1. Build the tanks underground so you could wheel large blast doors over the top and cut off the oxygen supply (oh.. and direct most of the shock waves UP IN THE AIR... rather than across the local area) 2. Have at least 25% capacity in empty back-up tanks so they can pump some of the fuel away, 3. Bother to store enough foam within 5 miles of the site to put the whole dam thing out (without having to wait 24+ hours for it to arrive from elsewhere.. god only knows what they would do if another one went up right now), 4. Previously provided the Health Service with information on what the fumes/smoke will do to people if they're effected by it. Bit of a case of: HELLO WHAT THE F&úK ARE OUR TAXES ACTUALLY PAYING FOR? Cos. it sure isn't strategic thinking Good ideas but mostly impossible unfortunatly. 1) a. the shock would have destroyed any type of railings for moving blast doors, and once the blaze had started it would melt most blast doors, unless you used very expensive and heat resistant metals economically unfeasable. b. building tanks underground doesn't work, In an oil refinary the tanks hold huge capacities and thats a very big hole, plus with big holes you usually hit the watertable at some point, if it rains a lot and the holes fill with water the tanks can burst out the ground (and its happened before believe me). 2) Pumping burning fluid, not a good idea, if you get any type of feedback through the pipe, also cos of the partial vacume from the flames the negative suction head that the pump will have to develope to actually move the fluid will be huge. 3) can't disagree with that 4) thick smoke from oil fires is dangerous like any other if you breath it in directly but it won't generate any toxic byproducts,
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.12.12 13:36:00 - [46] Originally by: Ralus 3) can't disagree with that (3) is not economically viable. I'm not even sure if enough foam exists to have a suitably large supply at every depot; and the cost of making sure it did, would vastly outweigh the cost of a storage supply going bang once every thirty years or so. A more sensible alternative would be simply to stop using oil; and I don't see that happening either. Risk is just one of the prices we pay for convenience. "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
votrian alpha	Posted - 2005.12.12 14:04:00 - [47] Originally by: FireFoxx80 I find it funny, since this actually makes Hemel famous for once. Hi Foxx.... not quite....Star Wars Votrian
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.12.12 14:09:00 - [48] Originally by: votrian alpha Originally by: FireFoxx80 I find it funny, since this actually makes Hemel famous for once. Hi Foxx.... not quite....Star Wars Votrian ppl like to put things on fire around there then well luckily no casualties and i hope the ones hurt get well soon again
hired goon	Posted - 2005.12.12 14:14:00 - [49] Originally by: votrian alpha Is it true that the bang was heard in Holland and France? Doubt it mate - didn't hear anything from East London. -omg-
Dr Slaughter	Posted - 2005.12.12 14:40:00 - [50] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Ralus 3) can't disagree with that (3) is not economically viable. I'm not even sure if enough foam exists to have a suitably large supply at every depot; and the cost of making sure it did, would vastly outweigh the cost of a storage supply going bang once every thirty years or so. A more sensible alternative would be simply to stop using oil; and I don't see that happening either. Risk is just one of the prices we pay for convenience. So you guys are saying the oil industry and government can't actually afford to locate strategic supplies of fire fighting equipment near each major storage facility? This seems unlikely from seeing the oil industries and governments revenue. For every hour it's allowed to burn how much money will be spent: Removing the soot from the environment, Replacing damaged air conditioning equipment, Cleaning houses/etc. Dealing with people exposed to it. I don't know about you but if those costs where laid at Total's door I would expect it would suddenly become much more 'economically viable' to store plenty close at hand. -- select * FROM posts (nolock) where clue > 0 -- 0 rows returned
Dr Slaughter	Posted - 2005.12.12 14:58:00 - [51] Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 12/12/2005 15:01:36 Originally by: Ralus Originally by: Dr Slaughter <snip> Good ideas but mostly impossible unfortunatly. 1) a. the shock would have destroyed any type of railings for moving blast doors, and once the blaze had started it would melt most blast doors, unless you used very expensive and heat resistant metals economically unfeasable. b. building tanks underground doesn't work, In an oil refinary the tanks hold huge capacities and thats a very big hole, plus with big holes you usually hit the watertable at some point, if it rains a lot and the holes fill with water the tanks can burst out the ground (and its happened before believe me). I'm not suggesting quartz tiles here. It just seems like we manage these crazy engineering projects like moving entire sports arena's around and can't put a cap on a hot fire. I'm sure the physics/engineering isn't easy but building what amounts to huge claymore's and sticking them alongside places where people work just doesn't seem to make much sense. Point taken about building above the water table though. Originally by: Ralus 2) Pumping burning fluid, not a good idea, if you get any type of feedback through the pipe, also cos of the partial vacume from the flames the negative suction head that the pump will have to develope to actually move the fluid will be huge. What about compartments inside the tanks so only a small % can get going at anyone time.. then with each part sectioned off you could, surely, pump the majority away without the issue of pressure. Even better as you pump it out you could pump something else IN that won't burn. Originally by: Ralus 3) can't disagree with that Why not? Does it REALLY cost that much? Perhaps the government could spend a tiny amount of it's fuel duty on providing stocks. Originally by: Ralus 4) thick smoke from oil fires is dangerous like any other if you breath it in directly but it won't generate any toxic byproducts, All we where told was 'keep out of the smoke'. Which is fine but why were they saying they were going to take samples of the smoke with a plane? My point was really that the content was known, so when it's burnt, the smoke is predictable, so.. the information should have been out there from 6.45am. They're still ***ing around with a plane right now (although that appears to be mainly to see how the cloud will disperse). The guy on Sky saying 'should we be turning off our air-con? Should people be coming into work? What, as an employer, should you be doing?' was asking all the right questions and not getting any real answers. I note they got rid of him today! -- select FROM posts (nolock) where clue > 0 -- 0 rows returned

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