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Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:09:00 - [1] OK now guys who just seen top gear about the Bugatti Veyron . I mean ú5 mil each and OMG what a awesome car. So who seen it? and what u think? The car i talking about So anyone going to buy me one then?? 'Invictus maneo' Remain unvanquished
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:10:00 - [2] blah looks stupid i have better :P
Gericault m0id	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:15:00 - [3] Just watched top-gear too ú5m / car to produce (including development costs I guess) They're making a loss selling for less than a million
Asestorian	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:17:00 - [4] Edited by: Asestorian on 11/12/2005 21:16:43 Originally by: Gericault m0id Just watched top-gear too ú5m / car to produce (including development costs I guess) They're making a loss selling for less than a million yes but only to prove it could be done.. Oh and.. wierchas.. i really doubt you have a better car than that I Make Sigs
System God	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:20:00 - [5] just looks like another ricer POS CCP's Sig Sizes suck
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:21:00 - [6] yer man talk about wish list but least i can respect him that he had the once in the life time for that car. I mean WOOT ok now time to kick my mum car 'Invictus maneo' Remain unvanquished
Berneh	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:24:00 - [7] Top gear pwnz. Even thought the fuel costs terrify me It was somehing like ú100 every 15minutes
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Trey Azagthoth on 11/12/2005 21:37:15 Originally by: System God just looks like another ricer POS The term "ricer" denotes Asian built cars (mainly Japanese). Bugatti's are Italian/German/French made my friend, they are the furthest thing from "ricer" you can get. Put down the Fast and the Furious DVDs.
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Berneh Top gear pwnz. Even thought the fuel costs terrify me It was somehing like ú100 every 15minutes ú100 every 12 minutes flat out... which is 12 minutes using up all 1000hp at the 'limited' top speed of 256mph Quote: The term "ricer" denotes Asian built cars (mainly Japanese). Bugatti's are Italian made my friend, they are the furthest thing from "ricer" you can get. Put down the Fast and the Furious DVDs. cough Brittish designed etc... get it right me ole china Click here to find weapons of mass destruction
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains Originally by: Berneh Top gear pwnz. Even thought the fuel costs terrify me It was somehing like ú100 every 15minutes ú100 every 12 minutes flat out... which is 12 minutes using up all 1000hp at the 'limited' top speed of 256mph Quote: The term "ricer" denotes Asian built cars (mainly Japanese). Bugatti's are Italian made my friend, they are the furthest thing from "ricer" you can get. Put down the Fast and the Furious DVDs. cough Brittish designed etc... get it right me ole china cough read article cough German designed
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Trey Azagthoth Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains Originally by: Berneh Top gear pwnz. Even thought the fuel costs terrify me It was somehing like ú100 every 15minutes ú100 every 12 minutes flat out... which is 12 minutes using up all 1000hp at the 'limited' top speed of 256mph Quote: The term "ricer" denotes Asian built cars (mainly Japanese). Bugatti's are Italian made my friend, they are the furthest thing from "ricer" you can get. Put down the Fast and the Furious DVDs. cough Brittish designed etc... get it right me ole china cough read article cough German designed cough I read the article cough ignored it as I got the info of David Clarkson on Top Gear and trust that man more splutter Click here to find weapons of mass destruction
Monty Burns	Posted - 2005.12.11 21:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains .... at the 'limited' top speed of 256mph ..... Thats the LIMITED top speed?!?!?!? Whats it actually capable of then Darwin 4tw
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.12.11 22:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Monty Burns Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains .... at the 'limited' top speed of 256mph ..... Thats the LIMITED top speed?!?!?!? Whats it actually capable of then 450km/hr+ ... not sure what that is in mph sorry Click here to find weapons of mass destruction
Verone	Posted - 2005.12.11 22:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains cough I read the article cough ignored it as I got the info of David Clarkson on Top Gear and trust that man more splutter It'd help to know the guy's name before you trust him... JEREMY CLARKSON. Oh, and the bugatti is nice... nothing wrong with the way it looks at all.
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2005.12.11 22:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains cough I read the article cough ignored it as I got the info of David Clarkson on Top Gear and trust that man more splutter It'd help to know the guy's name before you trust him... JEREMY CLARKSON. Oh, and the bugatti is nice... nothing wrong with the way it looks at all. 'Invictus maneo' Remain unvanquished
Justus Imperius	Posted - 2005.12.11 22:25:00 - [16] 450 km/hr = 125 m/s that thing is faster than some bs's :D - Justice handed by the bomb and the gun is terror elsewhere in the world I'm from.
qrac	Posted - 2005.12.11 23:36:00 - [17] Edited by: qrac on 11/12/2005 23:37:35 the bugatti veyron is definately NOT faster than a formula 1 car. a f1 car would eat it in acceleration, cornering and top speed. the bugatti veyron is definately NOT capable of doing 450 km/h and it's not limited. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
My grandfather	Posted - 2005.12.11 23:39:00 - [18] Originally by: qrac the bugatti veyron is definately NOT faster than a formula 1 car. a f1 car would eat it both in acceleration, cornering and top speed. the bugatti veyron is definately NOT capable of doing 450 km/h and it's not limited. F1 cars are regulated to drive around 350 I believe. They just aren't allowed to go faster on the tracks. This thing drives 412 on a good road. Is still faster then 350 I think.
Verone	Posted - 2005.12.11 23:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Car Site Babble In the real world, this 736kW and 1250Nm combines with the 7-speed, all-wheel drive transmission and a 1600kg kerb weight to propel the Bugatti Veyron to 100km/h from rest in 2.9 seconds. 4 wheel drive, 7 speed box. Turn off all the driver aids in that thing, as well as in the F1 car and it would eat an F1 car for breakfast through a quarter mile, and probably handle a track better. Formula One relies too much on driver aids like Traction control, Clutchless semi-auto boxes, Launch control, and lots of other silly stuff. Remove all that, and all you have is a really expensive carbon fiber go-kart that can't get it's power transmitted to the road without spinning it's rear wheels through every gear. The Bugatti has the weight to get it's power to the road effectively, and therefore the downforce to hold the road at lower speeds without the driver aids if driven properly. [center]
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.12.11 23:49:00 - [20] Fun fact for j00z peeps. F1 cars produce so much downforce, that they would infact be able to race upside down and stick to the surface on which they drive.
Verone	Posted - 2005.12.11 23:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Trey Azagthoth Fun fact for j00z peeps. F1 cars produce so much downforce, that they would infact be able to race upside down and stick to the surface on which they drive. Yeah, pretty cool... Shame it's only at high enough speed to be effective though.
qrac	Posted - 2005.12.12 00:17:00 - [22] Edited by: qrac on 12/12/2005 00:18:12 Originally by: My grandfather Originally by: qrac the bugatti veyron is definately NOT faster than a formula 1 car. a f1 car would eat it both in acceleration, cornering and top speed. the bugatti veyron is definately NOT capable of doing 450 km/h and it's not limited. F1 cars are regulated to drive around 350 I believe. They just aren't allowed to go faster on the tracks. This thing drives 412 on a good road. Is still faster then 350 I think. umm... this year kimi raikkonen did 370 km/h down the straight in monza. i think some were even faster in practice and the speed trap is a bit before the braking zone which means he was well over 370. didn't the veyron only reach 407 km/h. even the 412 km/h is slower than the speed the bar honda f1 car reached at the airport in mojave. the veyron had some problems braking the 400 km/h limit when a swedish journalist was driving it because he had the ac on ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
Filan	Posted - 2005.12.12 00:19:00 - [23] translation of what this car really is......
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.12.12 00:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains cough I read the article cough ignored it as I got the info of David Clarkson on Top Gear and trust that man more splutter It'd help to know the guy's name before you trust him... JEREMY CLARKSON. Oh, and the bugatti is nice... nothing wrong with the way it looks at all. Oh Sht... wtf... where did David come from ermmm... Beefy points to all the empty boor cans and the half bottle of vodka* Click here to find weapons of mass destruction
qrac	Posted - 2005.12.12 00:27:00 - [25] Edited by: qrac on 12/12/2005 00:29:01 Originally by: Verone Edited by: Verone on 11/12/2005 23:50:00 4 wheel drive, 7 speed box. Turn off all the driver aids in that thing, as well as in the F1 car and it would eat an F1 car for breakfast through a quarter mile, and probably handle a track better. Formula One relies too much on driver aids like Traction control, Clutchless semi-auto boxes, Launch control, and lots of other silly stuff. Remove all that from an F1 car, and all you have is a really expensive carbon fiber go-kart that can't get it's power transmitted to the road without spinning it's rear wheels through every gear, purely because it's so light, and has little or no downforce at low speed. The Bugatti has the weight to get it's power to the road effectively off the line, and therefore the downforce to hold the road at lower speeds without the driver aids through low speed corners if driven properly. there is no launch control on f1's nowadays. there is no way in hell that the veyron would even be close to a f1 on a track even with the f1 in low downforce mode and the traction control turned off. here's the proof of a lola champ car beating the veyron's claimed figures: http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0509_mile_spread_carts.pdf we all know that a f1 accelerates faster than a champcar. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.12.12 00:35:00 - [26] Originally by: qrac Edited by: qrac on 11/12/2005 23:37:35 the bugatti veyron is definately NOT faster than a formula 1 car. a f1 car would eat it in acceleration, cornering and top speed. the bugatti veyron is definately NOT capable of doing 450 km/h and it's not limited. Yes, it is limited to 400km/h, Yes an F1 would win in cornering and poss acceleration (veyrons best 0-60 in tests was just over 2.5 seconds) however, with the rear spoiler on the veyron retracted it can get to 300km/hr in just over 14 seconds and unlimited has reached 448km/hr before it ran out of test track, at this point the car was still accelerating. There has been speculations about taking one to the same place the land speed record was set to find actual top speed, but because of the cost and rarity of the cars and the safety implications, nobody has yet done so. Click here to find weapons of mass destruction
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.12.12 02:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains Originally by: qrac Edited by: qrac on 11/12/2005 23:37:35 the bugatti veyron is definately NOT faster than a formula 1 car. a f1 car would eat it in acceleration, cornering and top speed. the bugatti veyron is definately NOT capable of doing 450 km/h and it's not limited. Yes, it is limited to 400km/h, Yes an F1 would win in cornering and poss acceleration (veyrons best 0-60 in tests was just over 2.5 seconds) however, with the rear spoiler on the veyron retracted it can get to 300km/hr in just over 14 seconds and unlimited has reached 448km/hr before it ran out of test track, at this point the car was still accelerating. There has been speculations about taking one to the same place the land speed record was set to find actual top speed, but because of the cost and rarity of the cars and the safety implications, nobody has yet done so. Ok Beefy, lets just put it like this. NO ROADCAR can ever match an F1 racer on the circuit, ever. Its a simple power to weight ratio.
Thomus	Posted - 2005.12.12 09:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains nobody has yet done so. right you lot, lets all make PayPal donations to... me, so that i can buy one, and go test it. ---------------- Tom
solidshot	Posted - 2005.12.12 09:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Thomus Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains nobody has yet done so. right you lot, lets all make PayPal donations to... me, so that i can buy one, and go test it. thought you were whining the other day that speed was bad?
Nekhad Jormuzzar	Posted - 2005.12.12 10:10:00 - [30] Edited by: Nekhad Jormuzzar on 12/12/2005 10:10:26 As others have mentioned, F1 cars use a lot of downforce to be able to balance speed along the whole track, which is generally dominated by curves. In circuits like the old Hockenheim, downforce was not needed as much, and top speeds were higher, while in Monaco, for example, corner speed is the prevalent concern. If you were to lighten the downforce created by one of these cars it would beat hands down the Veyron and any other road car in existance, even with the limits the FIA puts on F1 car performance (for safety, mostly, since F1 cars are getting faster by the week at an alarming pace).

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