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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:15:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Jureth22 wrote:thanks for ruining the vagabond.also,eagle changes are mostly insignificant.back to drawing board Ruining the Vagabond? I hope you're trolling: the contrary would mean you're stupid.
Well iam with david restringing the vaga to a shield bonus is ****...
And lol at people buying hacs at 2 weeks ago. |
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:38:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:David Kir wrote:Jureth22 wrote:thanks for ruining the vagabond.also,eagle changes are mostly insignificant.back to drawing board Ruining the Vagabond? I hope you're trolling: the contrary would mean you're stupid. Well iam with david restringing the vaga to a shield bonus is ****... And lol at people buying hacs at 2 weeks ago. Wait what? I actually like the new Vagabond, it looks like a beast!
sorry i mistyped i mean "i agree with jureth". |
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:42:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Yanarix Blitz wrote:CCP Rise wrote:
VAGABOND - we are rolling the max velocity bonus into the base stats, and then replacing it with a shield boost bonus.
This has nice racial continuity and supports a play-style that has been emerging for the Vaga anyway as a close range active brawler
Please keep in mind that it can still be used exactly the same way that it always has been with virtually no change in performance.
close range brawler? active boosting? and no change in performance? did you dudes even take a look at your own game in the last 5 years????? none of those points is even remotely true for the vaga. its a kiter only outmatched by the cyna perhaps!!!!! this changes are just plain ********, its not a pve ship to require an active boosting bonus omg... ... and then you give all hacs a mwd bonus which is totally used in close range brawling. you are so full of crap its unbelievable Errrr...have you ever flown a Sleipnir? A Maelstrom, or an active tanked Proteus, for that matter? Any Hawks and Harpies? Active boosting is for PVE?
So how is making the vaga more like a sleipnir good for the vaga? Because that is the only remotely similar ship in those ships that you mentioned to the vaga. |
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:57:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:David Kir wrote:Yanarix Blitz wrote:CCP Rise wrote:
VAGABOND - we are rolling the max velocity bonus into the base stats, and then replacing it with a shield boost bonus.
This has nice racial continuity and supports a play-style that has been emerging for the Vaga anyway as a close range active brawler
Please keep in mind that it can still be used exactly the same way that it always has been with virtually no change in performance.
close range brawler? active boosting? and no change in performance? did you dudes even take a look at your own game in the last 5 years????? none of those points is even remotely true for the vaga. its a kiter only outmatched by the cyna perhaps!!!!! this changes are just plain ********, its not a pve ship to require an active boosting bonus omg... ... and then you give all hacs a mwd bonus which is totally used in close range brawling. you are so full of crap its unbelievable Errrr...have you ever flown a Sleipnir? A Maelstrom, or an active tanked Proteus, for that matter? Any Hawks and Harpies? Active boosting is for PVE? So how is making the vaga more like a sleipnir good for the vaga? Because that is the only remotely similar ship in those ships that you mentioned to the vaga. All of those are frequently active tanked ships. All of those quite used, and very much successful. My point is: active tanks aren't only for PVE, and I'm right. That is it. You can still use your beloved Vagabond as you did, in that it hasn't changed by one single bit. But now you can also ASB it, if you're brave and good enough to do so, and be a very capable brawler.
What i'am saying is that the bonus to the vaga puts her in a role that frankly i dont think suits her , but to make her do just thta give her a med and take a low or something, what i would prefer is a bonus to damage or to speed to tank in speed but hey i still live in the old nano times...
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:19:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:[
What i'am saying is that the bonus to the vaga puts her in a role that frankly i dont think suits her , but to make her do just thta give her a med and take a low or something, what i would prefer is a bonus to damage or to speed to tank in speed but hey i still live in the old nano times...
It got a sig bonus, which should marginally help its tank. As for the "nano times"... they're over. CCP is pushing EVE towards aggressive, risky tactics, which is where the AB bonus fits. The buff to armor tanks, the speed disparity decrease, the incoming OGB fix, etc., all good and explodey stuff.
That is all fine and dandy , but as i said at least do a good job at making the vaga a "close" brawler , and speed tanking isn't over just watch the cyna or anyh angel ship.. |
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:58:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Alright I've been pretty busy today but I'm trying to catch up on feedback. Here's some initial thoughts:
I'll look at the Ishtar fitting. To me it seems like one of the stronger HACs already and it gained a bonus to damage projection and application so I didn't see a need to give it even more buffs. I don't think of it as a ship that ought to be running medium sized mods in all its high slots. All that said, I'll have another look.
While the Sacrilege didn't gain bonuses or slot changes, the added PG and added drone bay push it over the edge I think it would become a solid heavy brawler with a lot of utility. I spent some time trying to find a 4th bonus that fits better than the cap recharge bonus but it's actually very difficult. I think keeping its character as a really sturdy bruiser seems more interesting than anything else I've come across, but I'll keep watching feedback on this. Its really important to me that this both useful and fun.
I think the Cerberus is going to be really powerful. It can now do the extremely long range thing with HML as well as added capacity to be an amazing HAM skirmisher. The role bonus means it has a lot of added survivability while it establishes or maintains range for both roles.
On a related note: someone commented that because HACs with MWD active have larger sig than battleship gun resolution the role bonus is useless. This is not true and I recommend you hop over to the medium weapon balance thread and read some of the explanation for the way tracking works to find out why.
Generally on the role of HACs I think theres a lot of disagreement because people seem to have different ideas of what they are supposed to do. The easiest thing to say on this is that they are not supposed to out-perform t1 or faction cruisers in every way. With this role bonus addition we are really emphasizing that they are supposed to be harder to kill than t1 or faction variations, which is true also for Assault Frigs. They have much better effective HP coming from both base HP and resists. This lends them to both large fleets, where they can be very difficult to kill, or small engagements where they provide a great platform for both primary damage and anti-support which isn't nearly as easy to kill as lower tech variations.
Keep it coming, glad that a lot of you seem excited
So what you are saying is basically that t2 variants arent mean to be more powerfull than t1/navy? So tell me why should i prefer to use the vaga per exemple against a sfi? |
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:David Kir wrote:Voith wrote:riando wrote:Guys, I hope you're joking,
" Vaga anyway as a close range active brawler"
Or you know nothing about vaga, or ... i hope you're joking, vaga its a kite long range ship! It has not slots from active tank!
So, ideal would be maximize bonus for tracking&faloff. And nothing new not need!
Holy **** people. The vaga got nothing but buffs. It's called an ASB. Look it up, fit one, experience Godmode on Vaga. It did get a minor speed nerf. But it got a major tank buff. And although it lost some of it's range control ability, it's still easily the fastest cruiser hull other than the egregious Cynabal.
SO why take a vaga when you can take a sfi? |
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:05:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Butzewutze wrote:I am not to impressed by the changes to be honest. Why doesnt the zealot have a dronebay but the muninn gets one? Why does the muninn get a lowslot instead of a med (that would truly beeing handy on that ship). Why does the Vagabond get a shieldboosting bonus with only 4 mediumslots? MWD + point -> 2 slot loltank? Quote: afterburner variations that are already very strong About what setups are you talking? I am curious. ahacs
Ahacs you know, were minmatars go sfi. |
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:46:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Harvey James wrote:darius mclever wrote:Harvey James wrote:and the comment that vaga can brawl seems ridiculous to me even with the ASB bonus which must be hard too fit i would imagine. the vaga is built on speed and kiting .. just remove the shield booster bonus and just buff its damage bonus to 10% so 3 more useful bonuses instead of 4 weaker and odd bonus combos did you miss that many people already fly ASB vagas? but do they brawl with them? Yup [High Slots] Dual 180mm Autocannon II Small Neut/Nos [Mid Slots] 10mn Experimental Microwarpdrive 10mn Afterburner II X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler [Low Slots] Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internatl Structure II [Rig Slots] Medium Ancillary Current Router Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer Requires a 1% PG implant, 400 DPS without drones MWD - 2700m/s AB - 1000 m/s Slowboat - 408m/s 12k EHP 750 DPS tank with overloaded ASB (Should be closer to 1000 with the new bonus, higher still with crystals) Can catch kiting ships, can get under battleship guns, works well for what amounts to basically a one slot tank. I think Garmon also did a video with one of these... one of those elite PvPers did a video with it at least.
Lol and this fit is better then a cyclone? |
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