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Adiaforos Anousios Greek Death Squad 1	Posted - 2013.07.18 11:20:00 - [1] - Quote Hello everyone i just need a good solo fit for algos considering the fact i am gonna be using railguns .. i dont mind if its armor/shiled tanked i just need some ideas for a kinda ''kiting'' solo fit ...Tips would be great too for how to deal against other frigates or destros ;)
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 496	Posted - 2013.07.18 11:35:00 - [2] - Quote well considering the algos is a droneboat, the guns should be of little concern. You don't have enough CPU to fit anything except for electron blasters in most fits anyway. kiting with drones, while theoretically a good strategy rarely works because the enemy just shoots your drones.
Whitehound 1554	Posted - 2013.07.18 12:33:00 - [3] - Quote Drones with neuts are a classic, so I just leave this here: 226 DPS max, 10k eHP, -36 GJ/s neuts (216 GJ every 6secs). Flies 1673 m/s, cap stable with neuts turned off. [Algos, PvP Neuter] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Hammerhead II x2 Warrior II x3 Warrior II x2 Hobgoblin II x3 Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 497	Posted - 2013.07.18 12:39:00 - [4] - Quote that's not really a kiting fit and any projectile/missile ship is going to tear you a new one :D plus, if neuting: why not dragoon?
Whitehound 1554	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:20:00 - [5] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: that's not really a kiting fit and any projectile/missile ship is going to tear you a new one :D plus, if neuting: why not dragoon? That's not really an opinion either, is it? It can stay at range indefinitely and the neuts will turn a pursuer's propulsion off. You sure can kite with it. Thrashers can produce twice as much DPS than this Algos, but then need a propulsion to stay at their optimal or they will be shooting at best from their falloff. The Corax has got range, but can only produce more DPS when it scarifies tank. A Dragoon may seem like the better choice, but it only has got 2 mid-slots, which is a bit of a joke, and the Algos is a tad bit faster and has got more drone bandwidth than the Dragoon, while its DPS and passive shield tank will stay largely unimpressed by neuts. You will find a counter to every ship. Better tell me why you want to argue again? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 500	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:44:00 - [6] - Quote small neuts range are 6.3km. You can't neut enough with small neuts to shut scram+web off so your tactic is flawed. As soon as your pursuer gets in scram range you are boned. And you still havent addressed the fact your drones will be killed.
Whitehound 1554	Posted - 2013.07.18 14:13:00 - [7] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: small neuts range are 6.3km. You can't neut enough with small neuts to shut scram+web off so your tactic is flawed. As soon as your pursuer gets in scram range you are boned. It is almost impossible to time your approach so that you land exactly within such a small area without running over it. Unless your Algos pilot has gone afk is it impossible to make this perfect. Scrams and webs then do not do damage. Weapons and drones do, and as long as your pursuer cannot get into optimal range to produce superior DPS and without getting neuted is there nothing to fear. The drones just keep hitting it and this Algos has got a nice buffer. Again, why do you want to argue about this? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 500	Posted - 2013.07.18 14:21:00 - [8] - Quote I don't understand what you're saying really. I'm telling you: your neuts have 6.3km range and that means you can't neut your opponent until he's already scrammed+webbed you. In addition to this you cannot neut enough to shut down the scram+web because they use very little cap. Since I said a projectile or missile boat their weapons will not be using cap so they can just sit there and kill your drones and once the drones are dead you have no damage output. I'm arguing because I want to understand your thought process in giving this advice.
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 1125	Posted - 2013.07.18 14:51:00 - [9] - Quote 400 plate.. Some guns... scram, web, mwd. Should be fine. BYDI recruitment closed-ish
Whitehound 1554	Posted - 2013.07.18 15:33:00 - [10] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: I don't understand what you're saying really. I understand what you are saying, but the Algos is only a destroyer. Please try to get a ship within web and scram range, but avoid getting closer than 6km. You will see that this is anything but easy. Then take a look at small projectile weapons. These have very short optimals (i.e. 1km) with long falloffs. Whatever DPS EFT shows will you need to get the turrets within optimal range before you get the DPS out. Not only will you have to get closer than the neuts' range, but at only 1km does tracking become an issue and the nominal DPS often cannot be reached (hence most pilots fit TEs next to gyros and not only gyros). And how many webs do you imagine you have fitted? You have already one webbing the Algos. It is almost impossible to shoot warriors without a web. So how do you plan on killing the warriors before these have gone through your tank when these have extra hitpoints, you are short on webs and the Algos can launch additional drones? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 1137	Posted - 2013.07.18 18:55:00 - [11] - Quote He's right You can't kite with an Algos. (Also four neuts quite easily shut down scram web) BYDI recruitment closed-ish
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 561	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:25:00 - [12] - Quote Adiaforos Anousios wrote: Hello everyone i just need a good solo fit for algos considering the fact i am gonna be using railguns .. i dont mind if its armor/shiled tanked i just need some ideas for a kinda ''kiting'' solo fit ...Tips would be great too for how to deal against other frigates or destros ;) Here you go: [Algos, Kiting Algos] Local Hull Conversion Overdrive Injector I Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Medium Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S [empty high slot] Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Warrior II x5 If someone can catch up to you, switch to Javelin. Lowish cap life, but it's a hybrid dessy, so you can expect that. ETA: If you want, you could meta the DC or MSE (or use a CPU implant) and drop a small neut in the utility high as a last ditch if someone gets too close and lands a scram on you. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter.
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 503	Posted - 2013.07.18 20:43:00 - [13] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: I don't understand what you're saying really. I understand what you are saying, but the Algos is only a destroyer. Please try to get a ship within web and scram range, but avoid getting closer than 6km. You will see that this is anything but easy. Then take a look at small projectile weapons. These have very short optimals (i.e. 1km) with long falloffs. Whatever DPS EFT shows will you need to get the turrets within optimal range before you get the DPS out. Not only will you have to get closer than the neuts' range, but at only 1km does tracking become an issue and the nominal DPS often cannot be reached (hence most pilots fit TEs next to gyros and not only gyros). And how many webs do you imagine you have fitted? You have already one webbing the Algos. It is almost impossible to shoot warriors without a web. So how do you plan on killing the warriors before these have gone through your tank when these have extra hitpoints, you are short on webs and the Algos can launch additional drones? I never said you had to be outside neut range and within scram range (although this is hilariously easy to do against the algos because it has only a MWD), though that's not the point. I think you have no idea about the frigate meta right now as most of the popular ones can kite at scram range. Slasher, condor, hookbill, railcursus, slicer (though not a scram kiter), etc. Also why on earth do i need to web the algos? It's scrammed meaning it effectively has no prop mod. You really have no idea what you're on about =/
Whitehound 1554	Posted - 2013.07.18 20:46:00 - [14] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: ... All I see is that you have not answered my questions and are dodging the discussion. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 561	Posted - 2013.07.18 21:01:00 - [15] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: I think you have no idea about the frigate meta right now as most of the popular ones can kite at scram range. Slasher, condor, hookbill, railcursus, slicer (though not a scram kiter), etc. While I don't agree with his build, you do realize that scram range kiting is irrelevant, right? Most of those frigs are going to eat it hard from the 150+dps of drone damage long before they cut through the Algos' tank while fighting in falloff, or doing anemic missile/rocket damage. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter.
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 1139	Posted - 2013.07.18 21:35:00 - [16] - Quote I would give it a go in my Comet if i knew the Algos was fitted like that. would be a free kill once the drones are dead really. Wouldn't be easy though i'm sure. BYDI recruitment closed-ish
Adiaforos Anousios Greek Death Squad 1	Posted - 2013.07.19 09:24:00 - [17] - Quote Thank you everyone ;) ... i know that algos is not that fast to ensure a good kiting boat but my main purpose is to gain enough time for my drones to apply the appropriate damage
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 510	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:07:00 - [18] - Quote Domanique Altares wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: I think you have no idea about the frigate meta right now as most of the popular ones can kite at scram range. Slasher, condor, hookbill, railcursus, slicer (though not a scram kiter), etc. While I don't agree with his build, you do realize that scram range kiting is irrelevant, right? Most of those frigs are going to eat it hard from the 150+dps of drone damage long before they cut through the Algos' tank while fighting in falloff, or doing anemic missile/rocket damage. thats why you kill the algos' dps first @whitehound still don't know what question im dodging.
Whitehound 1555	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:27:00 - [19] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: @whitehound still don't know what question im dodging. See the sentences above ending with a question mark. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 510	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:32:00 - [20] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: @whitehound still don't know what question im dodging. See the sentences above ending with a question mark. And how many webs do you imagine you have fitted? One So how do you plan on killing the warriors before these have gone through your tank when these have extra hitpoints, you are short on webs and the Algos can launch additional drones? Tsukino Stareine wrote: Also why on earth do i need to web the algos? It's scrammed meaning it effectively has no prop mod.

Whitehound 1556	Posted - 2013.07.19 11:19:00 - [21] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: And you're overestimating how much hp warriors have even with the algos bonus. With perfect skills they have a combined shield and armour hp of about 360 and 320ish structure (no resistance). Not many people have trained drone durability to 5 so it's likely the numbers are lower. It takes about 2-4 volleys from autocannons or rockets to take out a webbed warrior II and considering the cycle times of small guns: that's not a lot of time for your drones to be doing any damage. It is actually 4.3k eHP combined for 5 Warrior IIs. You then need to web each before you can hit them and so you cannot keep the web on the Algos. A web then does not instantly stop the drones' speed, but slows them down and you lose time. The Algos can then launch more drones, but your problem is that unless you have an MWD fitted and can keep it running for long enough will the Algos catch up to you while you are busy with its drone and finish off your ship with neuts. Or if it is railgun fitted with 75mm rails like Domanique's Algos will you get an additional ~70 DPS dealt. Not sure if +70 DPS will do the trick, but it depends on how much eHP your ship has. I think your real problem is with destroyers in general. Perhaps get a Nyx instead. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 513	Posted - 2013.07.19 12:01:00 - [22] - Quote And every warrior that goes down means less damage you need to deal with. Whitehound I think your problem is you compartmentalise everything into very small sections and you never see the big picture. Sure it might take a hookbill a minute to finish off all 12 of your warriors but in that minute it only tanks 5 warriors for very small periods of time and that's pretty easy to do with a medium asb. You also overestimate how long it takes for a web to slow a warrior down, it's between 2-3 seconds to reduce it's velocity fully because drones have such little mass. I'm not sure if you're aware of this but neuts do not do damage so you cannot "finish off" anything with neuts. You are purely reliant on drone damage to reduce the opponents hp to 0. If the algos is rail fitted it's even easier to deal with because you can just get under it's guns and have no neuting to worry about. I think your problem is that you're very clueless.
Adiaforos Anousios Greek Death Squad 1	Posted - 2013.07.21 13:01:00 - [23] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Drones with neuts are a classic, so I just leave this here: 226 DPS max, 10k eHP, -36 GJ/s neuts (216 GJ every 6secs). Flies 1673 m/s, cap stable with neuts turned off. [Algos, PvP Neuter] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Hammerhead II x2 Warrior II x3 Warrior II x2 Hobgoblin II x3 Could you link me someone using that build ? My main goal is to approach someone or keeping him at range? since i got not warp disruptor someone could just warp out
Whitehound 1593	Posted - 2013.07.21 14:05:00 - [24] - Quote Adiaforos Anousios wrote: Could you link me someone using that build ? My main goal is to approach someone or keeping him at range? since i got not warp disruptor someone could just warp out You do not really make plans in PvP. "All plans fall apart on contact with the enemy", is an old saying. You can fit a ship with a single strategy in mind, but it becomes a one-trick pony and one-trick ponies are not much fun. With one-trick ponies do you either find a target that falls for the trick or you try to run or will die. Some players absolutely love such ships, but I find it to be the most stupid fun one can have in PvP. Your first goal is to stay away from your target and harass it with your drones. Your target will have to respond to this in some way. You do not want to get tackled but want to avoid an early brawl. What you do next depends on the response. If the target is faster than you and flies away will a disruptor not help and you will have to let it go. If it is faster and flies towards you do you turn on your target and run into it and try to neut it, possibly scram it (when you cannot escape is attack your only option). If your target is slower than you, ignores your drones and tries to chase after you do you only kite it. If your target is slower and starts attacking your drones do you turn on it and try to neut it. The idea is to force your target into making a decision and to either attack your ship or your drones and until then to kite it. Whatever decision gets made do you change your own behaviour and to invalidate your opponent's decision. Some say that you "dance" or "tango" with your target. I simply call it "fighting", because this is what it is... If you prefer a disruptor then you can just fit one over the scrambler. This lets you hold point on more targets, but also makes you more vulnerable in situations where you need to get away yourself as well as needs more cap. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Liam Inkuras Justified Chaos 350	Posted - 2013.07.21 14:23:00 - [25] - Quote I love how all threads in this forum become arguments between Hound, Garviel, and Tsukino OP here's my solo Algos fit for FW complexes. Algos: Half a Vexor Highs: 75mm Gatling Railgun II (x5) Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Mids: 1mn Afterburner II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Lows: Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Rigs: Small Trimark Armour Pump I (x3) Drones: Warrior II (x5) Hobgoblin II (x7) Drones can be swapped around a bit, that is just what I carry. This fit get a little bit over 10k EHP and does ~ 250 DPS. Most frigates can't break your tank before they bite the dust, and untanked Dessies will go down quickly as well. I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Whitehound 1595	Posted - 2013.07.21 14:37:00 - [26] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: ... Whitehound I think your problem is ... I'm not sure if ... I think your problem is ... Tell me more about being clueless. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.


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