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Nalia Amor
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Posted - 2005.12.12 19:32:00 -
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Are you kidding CCP? How many corps have +4.0 let alone a +7.0? My personal Caldari faction is +9.0, my corp's is +2.0. My corp mates are different races and are not planning to run for Caldari or it will mess up their personal standings. So now the only way I can have a POS in high sec is to quit my corp and create a new 1-player corp by myself? Isn't it already hard enough to hook up with other players for group stuff. Now you are forcing me to chose between giving up my friends or give up next gen R&D and production!
Not cool.
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PredatorPT
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Posted - 2005.12.12 19:36:00 -
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lol, why not just build a POS in low-sec if it bothers you so much? You even get more rewards there (i suppose...  )
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.12.12 19:40:00 -
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In short, remember that you are putting up a POS in that empires high sec space. It belongs to them.
Would you let people camp in your back garden if you didn't like them?
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Onubis
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Posted - 2005.12.12 19:41:00 -
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+7.0 is a bit overkill for a corps standing though, its just gona encourage more 1 man corps thats all.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.12 19:43:00 -
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i still don't see the point in high sec poses...
they can't mine, they can't refine and they can't build capital ships
just as a gank-platform for wars?
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.12 19:43:00 -
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do more calderi courier missions - its a good offset
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Onubis
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Posted - 2005.12.12 19:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Onubis
+7.0 is a bit overkill for a corps standing though, its just gona encourage more 1 man corps thats all.
Too quote myself.... Just to add that it could work if they change how a corps standings is calucated.
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Onubis
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Posted - 2005.12.12 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
i still don't see the point in high sec poses...
they can't mine, they can't refine and they can't build capital ships
just as a gank-platform for wars?
RP reasons matey.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.12.12 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
i still don't see the point in high sec poses...
they can't mine, they can't refine and they can't build capital ships
just as a gank-platform for wars?
new manufacture & research allows you to build stuff at POS without having the BPO in it. *in theory*, this means you could be producing HACs at a station and in several POS at the same time, but no concrete details have been released yet
Originally by: Chowdown
We camp a lot
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2005.12.12 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nalia Amor
Are you kidding CCP? How many corps have +4.0 let alone a +7.0? My personal Caldari faction is +9.0, my corp's is +2.0. My corp mates are different races and are not planning to run for Caldari or it will mess up their personal standings. So now the only way I can have a POS in high sec is to quit my corp and create a new 1-player corp by myself? Isn't it already hard enough to hook up with other players for group stuff. Now you are forcing me to chose between giving up my friends or give up next gen R&D and production!
Not cool.
I wish CCP would setup a court in game. Cause if they did I would sue them for being biased against normal corps whos standing are 2.5!
I think this is unfair to nub like me.
And almost impossible for my corp to raise our standings to +7.
Or give me an example of the lenght of time and the process to do so.
But I think the math would be 7+ years.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.12 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 12/12/2005 20:10:12
whats funny is that we have a standing of 5.5 with propel dynamics and none of us have done a single mission for them, a by-product of the important mission's i guess..
Next best is 5.4 with ishukone, but to be honest, dont see the point of pos's in empire if they cant moon-mine or do anything useful, sure having factorys or labs could be usefull (didnt think these were in yet) but id rather just keep all my research in one of the many availible labslots and forgo the whole building a POS thing.. sounds like too much hassle to fuel the damn thing and not get any benifit from it...
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lofty29
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Posted - 2005.12.12 20:28:00 -
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If I'm not mistaken, capital ships need capital construction platforms to be built. I beleive these are deployable on a POS, and it will be much safer in empire.
Dont want people raping your titan during building now, do we 
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2005.12.12 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Onubis
Originally by: Onubis
+7.0 is a bit overkill for a corps standing though, its just gona encourage more 1 man corps thats all.
Too quote myself.... Just to add that it could work if they change how a corps standings is calucated.
Agreed . . . we all have positive standing with the Federation, however, all of my newbies with low standing are negating my very high standing.
This doesn't make sensem and I hate the idea of forcing people to grind faction standing . . . plus it basically puts a freeze on my being able to recruit if I want a high sec POS.
The only people who will win here are those that put their high standing characters into dummy corps. Which is lame, very lame.
Also, these will be very handy to production corps once the specialized production and research structures come in. Our use for them would be for a shipyard to get the production bonuses.
Anyway, please reconsider how corp standing is calculated!
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Marcus Tedric
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Posted - 2005.12.13 11:59:00 -
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As I'm in a two-man corp this is within the realms of possibility for us, so I've started to think of it.
Firstly I've been assuming that the 'savings' that must be possible from building ships (not seen much on research yet) in a high-sec POS must be enough to offset the 'cost' of running the POS. However, getting sufficient mins to it will be a royal pain.
But I don't see the issue over the post. We're being allowed to build POS in a particular empire's space - of course they should care about the corp standing.
If you don't have the standing then you're left with the older, but being tweaked, system of using the empire's factories, or moving out to 0.3 and below.
As far as I understand it, this change will encourage 2 main things. Those builders who stay in NPC corps on their own, or with friends, will presumerably be encouraged by the 'savings' to form small corps to use in-empire POS. Those in large corps will be encouraged to go out to 0.3 and below.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.13 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
If I'm not mistaken, capital ships need capital construction platforms to be built. I beleive these are deployable on a POS, and it will be much safer in empire.
Dont want people raping your titan during building now, do we
As far as I've seen, research and production on pos's will require sovereignty in the system, it is deployed in.
So: 0.0 only.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2005.12.13 12:18:00 -
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Kick out all none-mission-runners, researchers, hauler pilots and get going!
You might even come close to use the npc clone jumping stuff in a year or two.
Oh wait. You better keep someone to run the stuff 
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.12.13 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
As far as I've seen, research and production on pos's will require sovereignty in the system, it is deployed in.
So: 0.0 only.
That depends on which production array you're talking about. The Capital Ship Array, for producing titans etc, will need soverignty. The others, which can only produce normal stuff, will be usable in empire space, afaik.
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Auman
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Posted - 2005.12.13 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Auman on 13/12/2005 12:28:56
I think CCP are just pre-nerfing it so that they can lower it later if 7.0 is too high. If they made it too low trying to raise it later would be a total nightmare.
/edit because I can't spell 
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.12.13 12:31:00 -
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Hummm...If I ruled Caldari space, I would not want to see abunch of Amarr trash set up house keeping in my backyard. Same goes for their little puppets.
I have a personal standing of +9.5 or so with the Caldari. And because my corp was based in lonetek most of the crew has a standing not to far under the requiments.
But in a role play arena, If you wanted to build a Empire Player Owned Station (E.P.O.S) I would get the majority of the guys and gals to be the same race.
If not there are plenty of gankers out there looking for low sec P.O.S running out of fuel, so they can gank the haulers.
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2005.12.13 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Steele
Edited by: Jim Steele on 12/12/2005 20:10:12
whats funny is that we have a standing of 5.5 with propel dynamics and none of us have done a single mission for them, a by-product of the important mission's i guess..
If it where corp standing vs another corp then yes it would be possible but it's not. It's your corp standing vs faction, try looking at what you corp has to a faction.
I'll even do it for you, your corps highest standing against a faction is 3.82 which means that after this change you won't even be able to place a pos in 0.4 space.
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Branco
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Posted - 2005.12.13 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Branco on 13/12/2005 12:48:34
Originally by: Hoshi
I'll even do it for you, your corps highest standing against a faction is 3.82 which means that after this change you won't even be able to place a pos in 0.4 space.
You make it sound like before they could do it. They couldn't so everything is the same, except now they have the option to work for it.
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Gilbert Drillerson
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Posted - 2005.12.13 13:35:00 -
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Well the +7 corp requirement on POS placement and the +4 on jump clone (didnt check the number so if im wrong on the clone one im sorry) makes it impossible for big corps to use those two features.. unless its a big corp of mission runners whoring the same NPC corps :)
On the POS requirement its quite easy to circumvent by just putting a mission runner char in a corp with only one member, on the jump clone requirement I have no idea on what to do except using Motherships/Titans and player stations.
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Tenebrion
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:20:00 -
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Quote:
Starbase structures may be anchored in higher security space, as long as certain prerequisites are met. These are as follows:
Security level 0.4 space requires 4.0 corporation standing towards the system Sovereign.
Security level 0.5 space requires 5.0 corporation standing towards the system Sovereign.
Security level 0.6 space requires 6.0 corporation standing towards the system Sovereign.
Security level 0.7 space requires 7.0 corporation standing towards the system Sovereign.
Starbase structures may not be anchored in 0.8 space or higher. No changes have been made to anchoring starbase structures in 0.3 or lower space.
From the Patch Notes. So you do not need 7.0 corp standing if you want to have a POS in 0.4, 0.5 or 0.6.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nalia Amor
Are you kidding CCP? How many corps have +4.0 let alone a +7.0? My personal Caldari faction is +9.0, my corp's is +2.0. My corp mates are different races and are not planning to run for Caldari or it will mess up their personal standings. So now the only way I can have a POS in high sec is to quit my corp and create a new 1-player corp by myself? Isn't it already hard enough to hook up with other players for group stuff. Now you are forcing me to chose between giving up my friends or give up next gen R&D and production!
Not cool.
1) Friends... or next gen R&D... friends... or next gen R&D... seems to me, like your friends need a new friend...
2) If your corp only has a standing faction of +2.0 with one faction then run more missions for that ONE faction instead of all factions. Use your head instead of not and you'll see a lot more things getting accomplished. And for God's sake, it's a POS... in empire... it's not supposed to be easy to get!
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Hot Karl
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:50:00 -
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just wait to see what happens when you want to move your clone to a new station
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