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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.08.15 11:27:00 -
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Also, the best trade routes should require travel through non-secure space, thus making it more profitable to entertain more risk.
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Ah, but they do already :-)
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Roba
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Posted - 2003.08.15 11:56:00 -
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LOL, the highway system 0.0?! Ever heard of RP?! Those systems are the capitals of the empires. They should be the heavilest gaurded systems one can find.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.15 12:09:00 -
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On the other hand, police corruption (bribery)should also be in the game :)
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Tool
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Posted - 2003.08.15 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tool on 15/08/2003 12:48:36
Hey Daesdemona, I'd pay off some crooked cops to have a few people taken to an ally and beaten.  Maybe underworld connections will allow for contract killiings in secure space. Heh, Instead of a person with a neg status having to go to a 1.0 system, an NPC = to you in skill and equipment spawns to decaffinate your mark.
I know, its far fetched, and the coding would probably cripple the entire game the way ccp implements things, but hey, would be interesting.
Leave the Highway sec rating alone, a nice fat toll is the only solution. 1.5 mil toll would be good. Should be an option to buy discount passes too, lol, just like they have in RL. an Eve EZ pass  pay for 15 trips ONE way, and get 2 free or something to that effect.
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.08.15 13:02:00 -
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I disagree, pirates are as much of the problem as they are the solution. Trouble is there are too many pirates jostling for the same areas to camp. Instead of killing each other off (which is what would happen in RL, CCP are asked to do a another nerf, BS. I know which is easier (and more fun, and it doesn't involve any nerfing).
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.15 13:03:00 -
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Tolls shoudl only be introduce if a corp is hired by Concord to patroll...
Move the powah to the players.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.15 13:04:00 -
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Jash, if only the majority of pirates were out there for the challenge of pvp. if only.
the harsh reality is most will only partake in no-risk massacre that leaves them with something for nothing or the mere satisfaction of imposing themselves on the lives of others.
posts like Tank's only confirm the prevalence of the destructive gameplay EVE has had to date.
the game was designed as a futuristic economic simulation including corporate, economic, and faction warfare. i don't recall reading anywhere that the focus of the game was piracy and attempting to survive it.
i sincerely doubt the vast majority of the playerbase purchased this game thinking it was a space-based first-person shooter, which you seem to think it is. it is well documented on this forum that pvp is not yet balanced, and still you pursue the "challenge" of pvp? i find you ridiculous. i have spent most my gaming time lately, in light of EVE's youth and imbalance, playing America's Army, an online first-person shooter with well-balanced combat. i guess i'm just not up to the "challenge" of camping gates with my battleship. 
my advice to pirates and griefers is quit moaning on the forums about how hard piracy is and milk the present gameplay while you can because life as a "pirate" will only become more difficult as the game matures.
No, you prolly aren't up to the "challenge" of camping a gate. Despite the advice of several successful blockade runners like Jade Constantine and the pirates themselves most of you think the best way to get through a gate is via afk-autopiloting.
But that's not the point. Neither is the challenge behind pirating all in dusting people at the gates. That's just the motivation for you to get up and do something about it. Most of you simply refuse to rise to the challenge and beg CCP to save you from them.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Wolf Leader
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Posted - 2003.08.15 13:06:00 -
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"remember, you can get f'd up just like anyone else. So have a Quafe, smile, and stfu."
Ah tool if only everyone could think the same. Life would be much simpler
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Zephus
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Posted - 2003.08.15 13:08:00 -
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Has it ever occured to anyone that the most highly protected asteroid belts in Eve are full of Scordite and Veldspar, while the Empire seems to have no interest in Bistot or Arkanor?
Let's make it more fun for pirates, traders and everyone else, by making the ore distribution make sense, putting 'roid belts worth protecting (those with heavy concentration of good ore) in Empire space, and giving access based on faction ratings (CONCORD turn up if they don't like you).
Then pirates could have reduced access to equipment from trade, but increased access to NPC loot (as CONCORD wouldn't let Angels/Serpentis or whoever into these belts/systems, they'd all be in low sec space), selling at decent mineral rates because of the reduced supply in low sec.
Traders would need to go into 0.0 for decent routes, to take supply to demand, and miners wouldn't make silly money, as supply would outstrip demand in safe mining CONCORD protected areas.
Then it wouldn't matter if highways were protected or not, as traders would need to make dangerous journeys into 0.0 to make the big ISK.
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cball
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Posted - 2003.08.15 13:11:00 -
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pirates whining about traders...this is funny.
guess when they can't exploit, cheat, or just in general grief, they have to resort to whines...
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2003.08.15 14:31:00 -
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Pirate hang out where money is, we camp gates that leed to possible good trade systems. Right now we are forced to camp just anywhere where there is traffic. Highway systems are not vital to concord. Why should they keep them secure. There has to be risk and ccp is ensuring right now there isnt any risk.
i understand where you are coming from but if you think Concord is going to tell you where the trade routes are your crazywhy so you can pick us off one by one you want a challenge so here you go come and find us
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SuicideFred
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Posted - 2003.08.15 14:41:00 -
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pirates whining about traders...this is funny.
guess when they can't exploit, cheat, or just in general grief, they have to resort to whines...
He needs a care bear to hug him.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.15 14:48:00 -
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Kinda like when lord Zap posted about secure cargo containers... that he would exploit if the exploit was nto fixed ....
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.15 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 15/08/2003 15:17:56
"Introduce Narcotics/more black market.
this will be the riskiest of all trading, and by far the most lucrative."
Yes, yes, yes :o
... e.g., Fountain region is already *marked* on the map as the boosters gold mine, for Pete's sake.. now just turn on the tap :s
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.15 15:27:00 -
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Time to get that Bestower with ABS and MWD :)
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Cyvil
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Posted - 2003.08.15 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Cyvil on 15/08/2003 15:52:58
Uh, Non-Empire space is already the most lucritive place to trade.
If you want to buy at the lowest prices and / or sell for the highest prices in bulk you have to go out to 0.0.
Antibiotics - 306 in 0.0 world, sells for 379 out there as well. 325 and 358 in empire space.
Data Sheets - 141 in bulk out there (I've seen sell orders in the millions), sells for 190 (in the millions).
That's approaching 2 - 3 mill per trip for just those two things, let alone robotics. In empire space you find good buy prices in quantities of a load or two generally. In non-secure space they're available in quantity.
I don't think it's enough to drive people out there though. The trips take upwards of an hour round trip (probably more now with now a/b mwd outta warp) and the risk is huge in some regions (syndicate). I had to stop trading in sydicate because of all the pirates. The region has too many choke points and too many pirate bands. Syndicate is a mess now. PF-346 blocks the main route in, Harroule blocks the only other empire link. Both seem to be always camped. FD-MLJ is worse if you have to get from one side to the other. The pirates are doing themselves in. They're shutting down regions for all pilots w/o insta-jump bookmarks.
Either the risk has to decrease or the rewards increase or 0.0 space will remain the playground of the pirates and the alliances.
I like Drunk's suggestion, but I also think secure containers would need to be destroyable (but not hackable) before that happened. Risking an Indi is no risk at all. It's the 20+ mil in cargo that makes me paranoid.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.08.15 16:04:00 -
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Of course it is in Concord interest to keep the highways ultra safe. Safety in travel equals increased economic activity and money makes the world go round. Though priates should be allowed into .5 sectors and down based on their sec ratings. Most worring is the Idea that if it's bad for me it needs to go that is comming from a great deal of people. "Waaaaaaa my life is hard" I'm sick of pirates, miners, traders who claim their success is the product of their own genius and their failures are someone else fault. When I was in Ireland I heard a word "Begrudgers" I never really understood in until I started reading these forums.
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Len SaiMauni
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Posted - 2003.08.15 16:32:00 -
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Great, another whiny 'rats thread. Here's an idea: find alternate ways to make money. Your idea is no better for the game than TF and their constant whining for price-fixing the ship market.
On the one hand, you complain about camping/ambushing being the only way to succeed as a pirate, then on the other hand you whine for CCP to create honey-holes for you to camp and ambush.
I swear it's like dealing with my nine year old, sometimes. Yes, dear; you're a pirate. Yes, very scary. Arrgh. Daddy's terrified. Now go brush your teeth and get to bed, or you'll miss the schoolbus in the morning.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.15 16:36:00 -
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Great, another whiny 'rats thread. Here's an idea: find alternate ways to make money. Your idea is no better for the game than TF and their constant whining for price-fixing the ship market.
On the one hand, you complain about camping/ambushing being the only way to succeed as a pirate, then on the other hand you whine for CCP to create honey-holes for you to camp and ambush.
I swear it's like dealing with my nine year old, sometimes. Yes, dear; you're a pirate. Yes, very scary. Arrgh. Daddy's terrified. Now go brush your teeth and get to bed, or you'll miss the schoolbus in the morning.
why oh why must you flame?
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Milos Oberonov
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Posted - 2003.08.15 17:06:00 -
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why oh why must you flame?
Because "flaming" is his usual state?
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Preacher
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Posted - 2003.08.15 17:23:00 -
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Why not kill NPC mineral demand and slow down the respawn rate of Empire space ore? I don't think the current systems need a security change, rather, I think there needs to be a significant change that makes it necessary to leave empire space.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.15 17:26:00 -
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I have not seen arkonor since the first patch.
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Kiran
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Posted - 2003.08.15 17:39:00 -
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The pkers in the game so far are not Pirates by definition. They pod/kill anyone in their sights. That is called a psycopath.
A pirate will actualy block the route and ask for a toll or cargo off the ship that wants to pass through. Some will acutaly pay the toll if resonable in price or jetison some cargo. Some will try to fight their way out. That is when a Pirate will fight back and most likely win vs a trader.
Pirates lives are meant to be hard, YOU wanted to play the part of a Pirate in the game a OUTLAW. So now your being treated like one in the fact that everyone tries to avoid you like the plauge you are. And now your complaining that no one wants to come and play with you. Tank shut up and live with your decision or make a new character.
Pirates are needed in the game just like Corperation wars are needed to keep the economy running just like in the real world.
Karma is a strange thing, what goes around comes around. You brought this on yourself and others like you Tank , now deal with it.
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